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dare you? All guests on the show do not reflect

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the opinions of the host. The purpose of the show

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is to have interesting conversations, stretch our minds and grow,

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not what we want. If you are looking for an

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echo chamber, If you were and listener discretion, he's.

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Speaker 2: Advised, did you talk about extreme?

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Speaker 1: What is happening and what is up? Hold out your

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glass because we're about to fill it up torches high.

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Speaker 3: You know, look at it from a different perspective, different perspective,

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different perspective.

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Speaker 1: Hey, what is happening and what is up? Hold out

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your glass because I'm about to feel it up. Welcome

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to the prometh this lens podc asked the place where

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the conversations are always en lightning. I'm your host, Doc Brown,

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and here we like to use the allegory of the

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Prometheus lens to take a second look at everything. Hey, guys,

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be much appreciated. But today guys got another just great conversation.

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This is a man that I met at actually my

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first speaking engagement at a conference ever with the camp

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ramand guys up in Kentucky. And this gentleman we sit

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down and we had a really good weekend just exchanging

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of ideas with each other and hanging out by the

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bonfires and getting to know each other. And this man

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is a man with many hats. He is a musician,

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he is a podcastre uh. You might as well say

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he is a an author because some of his music

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tells a really, really great story and it's in the

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same circles that we love to enjoy. So I'd like

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to welcome the show Robert Clark. Robert, thank you for

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coming on.

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Speaker 2: Man. Absolutely good to see you again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you too, brother. Well, hey man, just for those

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that don't know you, give it, give everybody a feel

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you introduce yourself and give everybody a little background.

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Speaker 2: Sure, Robert Clark, as you just heard, I'm the guitarist

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for Pilgrim's Gray and do Keys. Also strange background noises ambiance.

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I do some background vocals, but unless you're really listening,

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you ain't gonna hear it because I don't like my voice,

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so I blended in, you know, underneath our singers voices.

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I enjoy music, I always have and was not satisfied

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just to be a listener. I wanted to participate and

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some of the awesome tones that I would hear, and

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I am trying to be an author. I mean, the

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whole part of how this particular album that we just

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released came about was I was, in fact, my whole

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journey into this world of beyond headline Sunday school stuff

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came about from studying to write a book, a fictional novel.

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It's how my podcast even got started. I was just

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digging into all of this stuff I'd heard of Michael Heiser,

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a gentleman by the name of Trey Smith, and my

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wife and I just went on a deep dive on

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this because it was right about the time of you know,

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the whole twenty twenty event, and we all had a

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bit more time on our hands, and we were all wondering,

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what in the world is going on in the world,

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you know, and I'd always wanted to write a book,

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even when I was a kid. I read Tolkien stuff.

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When I think it was nine, I read The Hobbit,

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and then all the other writings between age ten and fourteen,

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and then I've read you know, like many I've read

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those works maybe once or you know, once every year

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or two, I'll go back and read them because I

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don't really like anything else. But at some point, I

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don't know what it is about me. But when I

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when I come across something really great like that, there's

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this part of me that's not satisfied just to take

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it in. You know that with some things there are

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like if I'm out on a walk or the Grand

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just be taking constant pictures. You want to you want

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to take it all in. But when it comes to

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music and reading a good novel, something just gets stirred

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up in me and I want to write. And so

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I came up with an idea for a book over time,

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and I wanted to write about the Antidiluvian world, kind

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of a historical fiction thing. But I didn't know much

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about it, and I didn't know where to look, you

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know where do you get history for the Antidiluvian world.

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you know, unless you find it buried in caves. And

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so the more I dug into that, the more I

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realize how much I did not know. I mean, I

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didn't know Squat and the more I read up on it,

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the more I had to keep changing my book, adding chapters,

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changing chapters, and so I just basically decided it was

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in my best interest just to write a fictional account

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of some characters. And I don't want to get too

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much away. And I'm like three years into writing this book,

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and I keep changing things, and so it's going to

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take me forever to finalize and finish this. But in

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the meantime I also had musical idea is And at

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first I wanted to do a concept album about what

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was going on in the world, primarily politically, because I

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had fallen into the whole, you know, I want to

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call it the checkerboard paradigm, the whole black and white thing,

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you know, leftists, right, you know, But now I kind

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of see it as you know, you know, two wings

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on the same corrupt bird. Really, I don't release I

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just see it all heading in one common direction, and

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I wanted to separate myself from it, because I don't

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want to argue with my fellow Americans about you know,

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superfluous stuff. I want. I wanted to see things that

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were just true, period. But that's not what you get

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in mainstream media, and that's not what you get with

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the you know, general news that they're always wanting to

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pick you against each other and anyway, So I saw that,

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and but then I also saw what was As I

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was studying the antidiluvian world, it dawned on me that,

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you know, this isn't about us humans arguing and fighting

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with one another. We're getting our strings pulled from behind

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the scenes by powers principalities. And at first I thought

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of it as the unseen world or unseen realm, like

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Heiser says. Then it also dawned on me that we

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have so many stories from every culture on this planet

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about how these things manifest themselves physically in this world.

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I'm convinced that's where stories of vampiresm werewolves, all these

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different things, the Highlander, all these like things where these

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beings seem to be able to take on physical form.

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But maybe pass away after one hundred and twenty years,

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and I have to take on some new form somehow,

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either through maybe a ritual or avatar ing until they

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can take over a host. I don't know. I know

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that sounds crazy but maybe to some listeners, but well,

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I don't know. We've discussed that. You and I have

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discussed this at the LBL conference, these kind of things,

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and so I shifted from the political narrative of my

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concept album and went to what's really behind all this,

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which is these rebellious sons of God who've been doing

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this since maybe even before the world was created, slandering

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God before the other angels, getting people to turn against

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him or believe he's you know, like the Gnostics, he's

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the real bad guy, and Lucifer or Halal is the

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real good guy. That is the Prometheus for us all

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or as I see him as you know, what is

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prometheistic about, giving us knowledge to determine for ourselves what

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is good and evil. By disobeying a God that is

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perfect in every way, I mean, but it seems to

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me by definition, what you've done just then is you've

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taken what was a straight, perfect line and everything else

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terrible event. We have centuries and eons of human history

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Speaker 2: And so that's kind of the story behind the musical

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aspect of it. I don't know if listeners would want

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to know influentially music wise, I guess I would say

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Exit Stage Left by Rush, and I wasn't even interested. Really.

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it was just a piece of junk, like a you know,

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a dime store six string that only had two or

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learning the intro lines to Red Barchetta just all over

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the fret word on a sixth string, you know. And eventually,

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after tooling around with that, you know, I got taught

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some you know, fifth chords, power chords, and then basic

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chords and then augmented seven and you know, I just

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kept adding to I consider it like a language. Since

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the more that you learn, the more you can express

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yourself through the instrument, you know, uh, and not just

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through words, but how you say the words. You know,

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like vibrato is kind of like your your dialect, Like

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you speak creole, You're going to have that accent. Well,

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not everybody's vibrato is the same. That's why the tone

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is really in the fingers. When you're playing, is you're

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communicating basically, you know, your soul through how you do

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all these things and through your words. And I came

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across I remember the first time I ever heard Randy

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Rhodes is playing. I was skipping school out on launch.

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a lunch money and I was playing I don't know

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if anybody remembers this game, but Stargate, which was like

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the Fender but you could pick up the little guys

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and take them to a stargate and help them survive

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or whatever. And then I say, I know, I hear

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this crazy thing. I thought it was some stupid you know,

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car stereo commercially because at the time car stereo commercials

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were really big. And I was in Portland, organ at

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the time or in that area, and it was kg

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was more like blues rock based, you know what I mean.

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I mean Sabbath wasn't necessarily they had some pretty heavy

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rhythms and stuff, but I hadn't.

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swing to it, you know, yeah, yeah, that kind of

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blues jazz and it's merging it all together. But I've

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never heard anything like Randy did on that first Bluzzerd

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album or Dire of a Madman, And I was like,

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how did he get that heavy tone? And how is

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approach and always trying to learn something new, Like I

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to learn. Every time they were on tour, they would

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go someplace and learn something, and that really inspired me to,

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you know, really dig in and get beyond the oh

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my gosh, I can't play this. I don't want to

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moments where your muscle memory just doesn't want to cooperate.

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my musical journey learning how to play the guitar. And

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took to the piano melody wise pretty good. But for

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the life of me, even though I can play the guitar,

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for the life of me, I cannot play a chord

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structure with my left hand and a melody line with

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my right. And I don't even know how drummers do

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what they do, four limbs doing different things I have,

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and then some of them seeing like you know, so

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band The Warning, they have a female drummer that I

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think has a pretty good sound to it, and she

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sings and I'm like how do you how do you

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get you know, I'm not saying that her drumming is

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super complex, you know, like the guy from Tool or anything, Danny,

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but you know, just just that you can sing and

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play at the same time, because I can only at best,

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I can play guitar and do some background vocals while

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I'm playing. But I don't even like playing live. I

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love being in the studio doing stuff. You know. Maybe

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it's because if I make a mistake in the age,

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you know, because one of my trups, and.

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Speaker 1: That's why I love pre record. Everybody's doing live now.

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It's like, I'm good with pre record.

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the time to be able to make things sound more professional.

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So typically what I would do is just, you know,

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like I'm a solo on one of our songs. I

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think it's called Return.

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a W I would take that section that I'm soloing

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over and I would loop it, and then I would

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set up a track, an audio track with my plugins.

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I was using archetype Patrucci, and I wasn't using the

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normal rhythm track thing for the rhythms. I use nothing

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but the lead a channel amp with less gain for

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the rhythm and a little bit more game I think,

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with a compressor in front of it for and I

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adjusted the EQ to get more of a violin sound

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because I wanted to play a solo on that song

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that had kind of a cocked waw Brian May kind

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of sound to it, because I like Brian May, I

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love his playing, and as it turned out, it just

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didn't sound right. I mean, it had the cocked wall sound,

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but for what was going on rhythmically and tone and

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sound wise for the song, it was too high pitched

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and brittle. So I just adjusted the EQ to make

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a sad face where you know, I do a high

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pass low pass and then emphasize slightly some of the

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mid range, and then I got what I wanted. And

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so I played probably seven or eight takes and just

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kept the best parts of two of them, and daw

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magic you can merge them together and make them sound

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like it was all one take and it's not. I mean,

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that's one of the secrets folks, and a lot of

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musicians do it, so even back in the day would

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take you know, it's my understanding. Eddie van Halen did

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that a lot. He would just play a bunch of

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great takes and they would just take the best one.

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because it came out of David lee Ros's mouth, but

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that they would struggle with he would sometimes struggle during their.

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Speaker 1: The live performances. Yeah, not different, I would imagine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not necessarily during the live performance, but when they

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would go to prepare for the live performance and you know,

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soundcheck and do all the pre stuff or getting ready

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for the tour. You know, it was somewhat of a

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challenge to put that whole solo together because you're all

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over the fret board, you know. I mean, if anybody

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could do it, it would be him. But I just when

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when I heard that, it felt me made me feel

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a little bit better about myself.

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Speaker 1: Right, And I don't suck that as bad as I

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think I do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not quite as bad as a thought, you know. Yeah. Anyway,

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that's that's kind of the basic foundation for everything.

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Speaker 1: And uh, and what's the name of the group again?

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In case they missed it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that I should go into that. Pilgrim's Great

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is the name of the group and the explanation for that,

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because I've had a lot of people say, oh, is

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that Tolkien, you know, because Gandalf is called.

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Speaker 1: The Hero's Journey?

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Speaker 2: Baby, Yeah, I love that, by the way, and your

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some of your podcasts the Hero's Journey, where I can't

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remember how you say it, but the difference between yeah,

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I know, it's the journey.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so yeah, and that's the journey of the

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Gray Wanderer and my storyline here, so excuse me. The

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Pilgrim's Gray is my take on what I mentioned earlier.

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It's got kind of two basic foundations. For one is spiritual.

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I feel like we're all born into this world as

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Pilgrim's wandering through it, and we're really kind of a

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shade of gray. Initially, I know we're born with a

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sinful nature and all that, but really the reality is

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we're kind of this gray thing, and we're, like Lewis writes,

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anybody you meet and even yourself, everything that you interact with,

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you say, you think, and you do, pushes you either

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towards white or dark. To the point that you know,

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if you met that person in the spirit room after

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centuries and centuries, it would either be a being that

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you would almost want worship because they were so glorious

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and light filled, or something from the world of nightmares.

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You know, like I can't remember her name. I should

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remember her name, but she was at the conference, the

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LBL conference, Yes, Vicky Joy Anderson, and you know she

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brought up some of those nightmarish creatures. Well, that would

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be you if you're head in that direction or you're

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pushing other people in that direction. And so that was

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part of the spiritual aspect of that journey that we

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kind of start off with a gray slate and head

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in one direction or the other. But the other take

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is more political or how the world that we're dealing

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with here works, and that is the black and white checkerboard.

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The Masons and those who think like them want you

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to be a part of that white hat, black hat,

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white the whole checker thing. And what I'm trying to

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persuade people to do is take a step back from

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that and be a gray, neutral observer of what's really

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going on, because sometimes I feel like what's really going

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on is a good cop bad Copper team, that there

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are no real good guys politically and we are just

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being pushed towards one world government. It's just you might

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like the white hat version of it better than the

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black hat version, which might be more tyrannical. But sometimes

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I think they work together. The black hats create a situation.

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Working with the white hats. It's kind of a push

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the person who can't swim out of the canoe scenario,

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and then you pull them out and you're the hero,

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a good cup back coper team, you know what I mean.

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So you've got all these things that seem I don't

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want to get too political because I don't want to

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make people in your audience angry, because I know there's

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lots of different people who support different views. I would

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just tell you get out of the left right paradigm

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and just be more critical thinking about both sides of it,

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because I think both sides are controlled by the little

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g gods that have been around since the beginning, and

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they're just trying to divide you. You know, if you

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don't agree with somebody, pray for them, Pray for them

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to have discernment in their eyes open instead of telling

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them they're a you know, a moronic douchebag or whatever.

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You know, it's far more constructive to pray for them.

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And it's biblical. It's supposed to pray for your enemies, right,

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But that's not what they want us to do. They

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want us divided in that black white paradigm Yan Yang you.

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Speaker 1: Know, chaos order, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, And that's exactly what the Good Cop Bad Cop

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YU teen is. They create the chaos first and then

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they send in their white hat team and then you

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think they are a knight on a white horse coming

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to rescue you. And that's kind of what the song

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A Crown of Smoking Stars on the album is about

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that you liked. It starts off with a pretty female

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voice singing, and then book the male Volk joins in

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and it's a little bit more gravelly and shouty, and

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the whole song has kind of a rhythmic vibe or

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feel to it that's sort of maybe Avenged sevenfoldy meets

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Dream Theater kind of a kind of a rhythm or whatever.

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And anyway, my whole point with that song was, you know,

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be careful. You know you might be carrying you might

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be the one carrying the snake across the river and

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getting bit on the other side.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, unbeknownst to yourself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So I'm just saying, remain gray as a

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pilgrim here and pay attention, be a critical thinker, see

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what's going on, and for God's sake, don't don't listen

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to the mainstream media. They do. They don't have your

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your best interest at heart, and I don't think anybody

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really in the political world necessarily does either, even though

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it may seem like it. You know, like I and

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I discussed this all the time, and Amanda said to

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tell you, hi, she was at the LBL conference too,

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for those who don't know, and it was a great

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conference if you ever have a chance to go something

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like this. Justin did a great job and it was

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it was awesome and a lot of fun. But she

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would say, you know, basically the same thing. You can't

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You can't trust these these things. And they may seem

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like they're doing like the doge thing seems great, right

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if I didn't know what I knew from stepping back

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and keeping gray and off the black and white checkerboard

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and not letting them, you know, push me to you know,

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I'm a Republican. I'm a Democrat, I'm you know, you

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stand back from it and look at the whole thirty

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thousand altitude view. You don't know if that dog thing

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is heading you right down into a false sense of

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trust and somebody that is eventually going to have you

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receive a mark so that you can buy, sell, and

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trade everything you know, and you willingly accept it because

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they've built the trust up for you to do it.

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And you don't think that it's something bad. You think

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maybe you might be thinking it's, you know, God's mark

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on the head. I don't know. All I know is

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just because it's you know, it seems good, doesn't necessarily

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make it good. Because we know that the rebellious sons

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of God love to approach you as a light bearer,

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a Prometheus figure, you know.

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Speaker 1: Like we talked about pre rail. That's why it's so important.

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And Paul said, you know, to test the spirits.

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Speaker 2: Exactly that's exactly right, that's exactly right. Always be testing,

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and you can't you can't properly test if you're caught

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up in either black or white. That's why the gray

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comes in and that's the whole name for the band.

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Pilgrim's Gray and our podcast, which is The Pilgrim's Gray Chronicles,

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which I do. I try to do an hour long

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show or more every well, I don't try. I do

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every Monday at eight a m. Central Standard time. If

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you want to tune in it's I do it using spreaker.

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But I also have a YouTube channel under my LLC

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called You Will Know, and so I put up on

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my podcasts there. If my band does a music video

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type thing, it'll be presented on that YouTube channel and

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the Primariason. And I didn't change is because I already

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had like thirty thousand subscribers. So I didn't want to.

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You know what I'm saying, I don't want to change it.

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And then suddenly it was like, well, what the heck

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is this? I didn't say switch. Yeah, people don't. People

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don't necessarily like change like that. You know, they subscribe

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to the brand you presented.

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475
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476
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477
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Speaker 2: But I just wanted to make sure that rather than changing,

478
00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:55,039
I'm just adding to you know, like some people will

479
00:27:55,079 --> 00:27:58,920
have a broadcast thing where they have more than one podcast,

480
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,400
but they it's all under one, you know, corporate umbrella

481
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,200
type thing or LLC, and that's kind of what it is.

482
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,079
And so we put our music there and I try

483
00:28:09,079 --> 00:28:11,200
to put a pinnable comment on every video now that

484
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,920
I make with the podcast, where I put all the

485
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,319
links for people who want to support us or whatever,

486
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,720
the band, the podcast, you know whatever. And we also

487
00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:24,480
do on Friday night that's shorter. I just do three

488
00:28:24,519 --> 00:28:26,359
top stories of the week and try to relate it

489
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,599
to our main subject, which is, you know, keeping track

490
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,640
of these little sons of God, little g sons of God,

491
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,640
and what they're up to, you know, out there in

492
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:41,839
the world, because I think not only do they influence

493
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,440
invisibly behind the scenes, but I do think they walk

494
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,160
among us physically. You just may not know it. Like

495
00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:52,359
we discussed in pre roll the Book of Hebrews, it's

496
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,799
not just about the good angels out there lifting a

497
00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:58,359
car off you, you know, and then disappearing. They may

498
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,079
stay here for some time like the movie The Highlander,

499
00:29:01,119 --> 00:29:03,880
and just renew themselves in some ways you perform that

500
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,039
we don't have we'd have to conjecture about. But we

501
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,960
have some idea because we know that we know about

502
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,160
blood rituals, and we know that it seems as if

503
00:29:16,519 --> 00:29:20,119
blood is involved with longevity, you know, maybe that's where

504
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:25,519
vampirism comes from. It's just these creatures over time have

505
00:29:25,599 --> 00:29:27,960
been paid attention to bias and written about. You know.

506
00:29:28,079 --> 00:29:32,839
Every culture has stories of long living beings and have

507
00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:39,319
either aided us in some way or been horrible to us,

508
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:39,759
you know.

509
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,079
Speaker 1: And Christians shouldn't recoil it that because sometimes you know,

510
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,839
some Christians want to recoil you know when you talk

511
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,200
about like that. But it's like it says in the Bible,

512
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,319
you know, do not drink the blood. You know, the

513
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,680
life force is in the blood, you not to drink it.

514
00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:58,519
So I mean that you don't make out a rule,

515
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,839
law or regulation if someone's not doing the said thing.

516
00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:06,319
Speaker 2: Exactly, like like Heiser said about or maybe it was

517
00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:09,039
Derek Gilbert about to by the way, I think that

518
00:30:09,039 --> 00:30:12,079
that is Derek that does your intro right, Yeah, yeah,

519
00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:18,559
I thought i'd rec advise his voice. They mentioned, you know,

520
00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:23,640
similar things. I've lost my train of thought here, but

521
00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:32,160
this this whole notion, well, I can't remember I was

522
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,079
going to say, but I did want to mention when

523
00:30:34,119 --> 00:30:37,240
you bring up blood in our life force being in

524
00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:41,640
the blood, it may I always wondered, you know, the

525
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,799
curse on the nakash or the serpent, whether you believe

526
00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:50,200
it was some sort of you know, Satan himself or

527
00:30:50,279 --> 00:30:53,599
Halale or Shimyaza who might have been in the garden.

528
00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:57,039
We don't really want one hundred percent know, but we

529
00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:58,920
do know it was some sort of shining one, either

530
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,160
in the form of a drag maybe maybe a spirit

531
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,720
that Avatard a dragon that Eve might have been familiar with,

532
00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:07,519
because they might not have been afraid of dragons, and

533
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:10,759
they might have been beautiful creatures at the time. And

534
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,839
like your book implies that covering was taken from the

535
00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:18,200
skin of some beast, right because that beast now had

536
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,200
to crawl on its belly at some point and eat

537
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:26,160
the dust of the ground. And so I relate that

538
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,519
to the blood and the spirit, because I think of

539
00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:34,480
the idea that there's this possibility that because the fallen

540
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:37,279
sons of God chose this to be their realm, now

541
00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:41,079
they left their first estate to this realm, perhaps they

542
00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:45,200
don't have the kind of energy or power from their

543
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,200
father just naturally anymore. They've separated themselves from them. And

544
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,640
we eat things that come from the ground, because we

545
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,400
come from the ground potatoes, carrots, you know, and other

546
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,359
things they eat from it, right, cows, pigs, bacon, whatever.

547
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,799
And perhaps their only way of sustaining themselves is by

548
00:32:03,559 --> 00:32:06,240
feeding on us and our blood, because our life work,

549
00:32:06,279 --> 00:32:08,680
because our spirit, life force is in our blood. And

550
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,240
maybe that's what you'll eat. The dust of the earth

551
00:32:11,359 --> 00:32:15,000
is maybe implying, I mean, I'm conjecturing, of course, because

552
00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:17,079
there's I don't think you can prove that, but I

553
00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:18,200
always just thought it was an.

554
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,839
Speaker 1: We're from the dust of the ground. You know, Adam

555
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,880
was made from that. That's what I've always thought like

556
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:27,559
he would always prey upon and try to devour humanity,

557
00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:30,599
because it says in Roman studios says, you know, be sober,

558
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,279
be vigil your adversary. The devil is like a roaring lion.

559
00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:35,880
He walked with about seeking whom he may devour.

560
00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And it could be where all of these things

561
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:43,160
stem from the blood stuff they needed to reconstitute somehow

562
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,440
over time, and so they do feed on us. You know,

563
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,119
maybe that's why we have three hundred thousand plus missing

564
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,759
children in America alone from across the border. Could very

565
00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:54,559
well be that that that's what happens. I don't know.

566
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,319
All I know is every culture writes about it, so

567
00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:00,640
there's got to be something to it. When I hear

568
00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:04,119
of the you know, sons of Dust, which I you know,

569
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,799
that's part of the lyrics and some of the songs,

570
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,400
I am directly referencing the idea that they probably do

571
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,519
feed on our life force and that way to stay alive.

572
00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:16,240
And we know that their offspring and Ephelm and the

573
00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:20,240
Raphaeim and some of these others all had a thirst

574
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,720
for that as well. At some point they ate everything

575
00:33:23,759 --> 00:33:29,079
we could create for them, and perhaps even with you know,

576
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,400
some people believe that the pyramids were also designed to

577
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:38,440
be able to create fertilizers for growing massive amounts of crops. Well,

578
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,960
apparently that wasn't enough to feed, you know, the giants,

579
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,319
and so they began to feed upon us, on one another,

580
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,799
and that it may just be that craving. Maybe they

581
00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:51,200
maybe their hunger couldn't be satiated by the things of

582
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,440
this earth, because they did need blood to be able

583
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:55,440
to survive in some way, shape or form, because of

584
00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:00,160
their parentage. That's just one thought I had it. I

585
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:06,400
don't directly, like obviously put that in my lyrics, but

586
00:34:08,599 --> 00:34:11,039
you know, yes it's there. If you study the words

587
00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:13,559
and the story, you're going to be like, oh, yeah, okay,

588
00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:16,719
he's talking about feeding on the sums of dust there,

589
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,559
you know that that kind of thing. So I try

590
00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:24,840
to keep that in there and anyway that is to

591
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:29,639
move on from Pilgrim's Gray and all of those things

592
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,480
that musically and book writing and all of these things

593
00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:37,880
converged into this album. And a lot of people think

594
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,519
I chose eleven Zis because of the hobbit breakfast, you

595
00:34:41,559 --> 00:34:44,400
know routine, and it is kind of a play on that,

596
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:49,920
but it's mostly just because I was born on November eleventh,

597
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:56,199
and I just I just thought it would be a

598
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,840
cool thing to call the album, put eleven songs on

599
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,480
it and whatever. I promise you. I'm not a Mason

600
00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:06,519
or anything like that. And uh, I'm sure it's.

601
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 3: Opposition.

602
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,119
Speaker 2: I'll get accused of it by somebody at some point.

603
00:35:11,159 --> 00:35:13,760
Maybe I don't know. I'm just a regular Joe blow

604
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,960
like anybody else. And but I put that story together

605
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,559
based off all of those ideas, and I try to

606
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:26,400
take it from you know, the be the beginning tracks

607
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,639
to the final track and tell a story all throughout

608
00:35:29,679 --> 00:35:32,400
it which needs to be listened to in stereo. Don't

609
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,239
just put your one earbut in because you're going to

610
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:39,159
miss Easter eggs. There's crazy stuff going on left right,

611
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,320
Uh you know, so you want to have both earbuds

612
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,079
in or like I got eight inch studio monitors in here,

613
00:35:46,159 --> 00:35:49,239
someone ill thump it. It makes my windows rattle, But.

614
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: It's You're not that old, are you?

615
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,559
Speaker 2: No? Not? Besides, I love that thump in the chest,

616
00:35:56,599 --> 00:35:59,800
you know, even even like when I'm playing. Sometimes I

617
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,360
like to turn on the four twelve and the fifty

618
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,360
one fifty over there just to hear the thump of

619
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,239
the string when you know my wife's not home or whatever,

620
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,079
all the dogs go running out into the backyard to

621
00:36:11,079 --> 00:36:18,599
avoid it. Yeah, and so again it culminated in this

622
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,239
concept album where I tell a story starting in the

623
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:31,800
antediluvian world with you know, even Doug van Dorn when

624
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,519
I sent him this stuff, his first thought and this

625
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,159
was so cool to me that he said this the

626
00:36:38,199 --> 00:36:41,840
initial part of the story reminded him of the Necromancer

627
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,159
by Rush, And my first thought was, Okay, it is

628
00:36:46,199 --> 00:36:48,679
so cool that Doug van door and even could make

629
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:53,320
that reference and knows you know, that level of music,

630
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,599
which I just I love it when people can do that,

631
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,519
like their first thought is something that most people wouldn't

632
00:36:58,519 --> 00:37:01,239
know about and relate it to something that interesting like

633
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,679
the Neckermancer by Rush and.

634
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,159
Speaker 1: A band that had a heavy influence on you.

635
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,039
Speaker 2: Yea, yes, yeah, I love Rush. I basically love anything

636
00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:13,519
that's kind of a progressive metal band. I like Tool, Rush,

637
00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:18,480
Cha Belle, some other un her bands like Daydrik, which

638
00:37:18,519 --> 00:37:21,360
is they got a female singer. I don't always like

639
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,480
her screaming vocals, but man, she has an incredible voice.

640
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:30,400
And they write about stuff from the video game Skyrim.

641
00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:36,239
That's the band named Daydrik, and just anything that's really

642
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:40,559
interesting and thought provoking to me. Like I love everything

643
00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:44,559
Tool did from Laterala Song and especially ten Thousand Days

644
00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:47,920
and their most recent Fear and Oculum. I think they're

645
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,760
really great albums. Descending is one of my favorite tracks

646
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,559
of all time. It's a good song, but all of

647
00:37:56,559 --> 00:38:00,760
that stuff. You know, My wife from she first listened

648
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,440
to the album when I finished it, even though she'd

649
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,360
heard bits and pieces of it over time. When she

650
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,199
first listened to it, she was like, well, there's only

651
00:38:08,199 --> 00:38:10,239
one or two songs on there that sound like Tool

652
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,440
on it. And I was like, well, that's because I have,

653
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,079
you know, this is like a stupod of influence. There's

654
00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:22,079
you know, you're going to get mortgagh and I don't

655
00:38:22,119 --> 00:38:24,639
want to sound like anyone artists, I don't, you know.

656
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,599
I mean there's times where I feel like I want

657
00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:30,159
this to sound a certain way, and maybe I want

658
00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:32,719
the vocal to sound kind of like a telephone vocal

659
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,840
where the EQ on the vocal is very narrow, And

660
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,360
then I wanted to widen up during the chorus or something,

661
00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:42,199
you know, like oftentimes Maynard Keenan does on some of

662
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,760
his stuff, but that doesn't want to. I don't want

663
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,360
to be like a replica of some of their band

664
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,840
I want I want my influence to come through. And

665
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,239
that's just one of my influences. So I don't think

666
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,400
anybody will be able to say, oh, he totally ripped

667
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,440
off tool good because you listen to the tracks and

668
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:01,760
I aside from a couple of vocals here and there,

669
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,920
I don't think it sounds anything like to them. Yeah.

670
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:07,079
Speaker 1: And that's the thing is like some people, I mean

671
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:11,360
are like really die hard fans, you know, of certain

672
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,159
bands and things like that. It's like I've even had

673
00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:18,559
people uh say to me, you know, it's like, ah,

674
00:39:18,639 --> 00:39:24,119
you're you're a blurry creature copycat, you know, or you're

675
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:29,320
uh Tony Merkel confessional rip offer and it's like, guys,

676
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,639
come on the course. I mean, those guys definitely have

677
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,840
some influences and stuff. But it's like, you know, just

678
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,400
because somebody does a certain thing first doesn't mean they

679
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,480
own that thing. We can take that thing that we

680
00:39:41,679 --> 00:39:44,400
love so much that they done and put our spin

681
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,840
in our flavor to it, you know, and that that's

682
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,559
the thing. It's uh, you see it in music, you

683
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:51,880
see it in writing. I mean it's in everything. We

684
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:57,039
all have our influences, and uh it's who the innovative

685
00:39:57,039 --> 00:40:01,239
ones that take those things and uh grow them and

686
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,000
marinate them and put their own flavor to it.

687
00:40:04,159 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 2: You make it your own, Yeah, just like any good

688
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,800
cover of a song, Like if you really are like

689
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,079
copying an artist song, any good cover of a song

690
00:40:15,199 --> 00:40:19,760
is going to make it that artist's song. You're going

691
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,440
to put your own spin one, you know, your own whatever.

692
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,119
And in the case of your particular program, I don't.

693
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,079
I would never have thought to connect you with blurry

694
00:40:29,079 --> 00:40:33,239
creatures or whatever. I mean, everybody talks about these different subjects,

695
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:40,280
but I feel like they have their own foundational filter

696
00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:43,360
through which they put everything through. Like in my case,

697
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,119
it's kind of the seed war and what's going on

698
00:40:45,199 --> 00:40:47,280
behind the scenes. In the case of the Blurry Boys,

699
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:52,039
it was initially all these strange creatures behind all of

700
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:55,079
this world, starting with Bigfoot on and it just you know,

701
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,280
you start with that basic foundation and it's just going

702
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,599
to naturally lead off into other incredibly bizarre things like

703
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:06,360
when Laura's messengers started talking about the Nephelm finances from

704
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:13,559
the World to be, you know, modern day debt based

705
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:19,199
slavery system under central banks. I don't know if you've

706
00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:23,039
read that book, but it's Reserve. Yeah, I mean, that's

707
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,760
that is that's amazing to me. It's one of the

708
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,840
things that influenced the idea that what's going on.

709
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: I'm not far from Jackal Island either. I'm riding in

710
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,320
the far eastern tip of East Tennessee.

711
00:41:35,039 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 2: Uh.

712
00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: Me and my family went to Tybee Island off the

713
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,280
coast of Savannah, Georgia many summers. That's one of our

714
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,079
favorite places to go in. Jackal Island is just a

715
00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:47,679
stone's throat from Tybee. It's next door.

716
00:41:48,159 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 2: That's really cool. You're all the Rockefellers secretly sneaked in

717
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:57,719
under pseudonyms. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's pretty cool. Very cool.

718
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: Far as like the tracks, I know, it's hard to

719
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,599
ask an artist, you know, what was their their favorite

720
00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:09,800
book or their their favorite this or anything, because all

721
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,239
of them are your projects and your babies. Is there

722
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:19,000
any certain song that you have an affinity for orn? Well,

723
00:42:19,039 --> 00:42:21,079
this is going to a special connection to or.

724
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:26,119
Speaker 2: This is gonna sound strange. Well, maybe it won't, but

725
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:30,480
I don't. I don't have necessarily one favorite track. I

726
00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:35,719
have favorite parts of every track. Like in the first track,

727
00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:39,199
it's called the Gray Wanderer, which is an introduction to

728
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:45,199
the main figure. And I know probably everybody's initial thought

729
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,239
might be this is a Gandalf type figure because it's

730
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:54,000
called the Gray Wanderer, but that's primarily born out of

731
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,079
the name of the band, Pilgrim's Gray, more than it

732
00:42:56,159 --> 00:43:00,360
is you know, Gandalf. And what I mentioned before about

733
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,480
why I used that particular thing dealing, you know, with

734
00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:09,079
what we discussed earlier. And but this is really, like

735
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:11,639
I told Doug when we were he was asking me

736
00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:15,559
about the tracks and stuff and the story, and it's

737
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:19,440
more of an Ezekiel like figure because like in this

738
00:43:19,559 --> 00:43:22,360
opening thing where I'll just read it real quick, if

739
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,559
that's okay. Yeah, it's the beginning of the storyline, which

740
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,840
at some point I'm going to upload to our band

741
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:33,039
page for purchase if somebody wants to buy the storyline

742
00:43:33,039 --> 00:43:35,760
with all the lyrics and photos and you know, different

743
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:41,480
liner notes and so on. So the very first part

744
00:43:41,519 --> 00:43:44,400
of it, the first couple of paragraphs, he says, I

745
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,119
do not remember when I was brought here. There was

746
00:43:47,199 --> 00:43:51,960
no voice, no call, only the silent hand. Is something greater,

747
00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:58,119
unseen yet undeniable. I was lifted from dust, weightless, drawn

748
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,320
forward by an unseen force. I did not resist, perhaps

749
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,440
I had no choice. And now I stand before the veil.

750
00:44:06,119 --> 00:44:10,840
It shifts like liquid silver, stretching across the horizon, rippling

751
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:16,519
with every breath of the unseen. A presence lingers besides me, watching, waiting,

752
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,440
a guide, though I do not know its name. It

753
00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:25,239
says nothing, only gestures towards the threshold. But somehow I

754
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,320
know it means well. And so that when I was

755
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,679
writing that, my point was to kind of emphasize that

756
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,400
he was an Ezekiel like figure, you know, where an

757
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,800
angel takes him to see different visions beyond the veil,

758
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:46,519
and so immediately he's taken into this realm and shown

759
00:44:46,599 --> 00:44:49,960
what's going on in the antediluvian world. I never really

760
00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:53,599
hint at what era the gray Wanderer is from, and

761
00:44:53,639 --> 00:44:56,159
I don't want to. I just I want to leave

762
00:44:56,199 --> 00:45:01,639
some of the imagination in the listener's mind, let them

763
00:45:01,679 --> 00:45:04,280
decide for themselves certain things. You know, it's really up

764
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:08,079
to them, and so the Gray Wanderer is that first

765
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:14,800
song introduces him as a character and discusses, you know,

766
00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:20,719
what he's experiencing from his viewpoint, and even references himself, like,

767
00:45:21,039 --> 00:45:23,119
you know, towards the end where he says, I am

768
00:45:23,159 --> 00:45:26,639
the Gray and I see them all, you know, referencing

769
00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:30,320
these sons of God and what they're up to, you know,

770
00:45:31,159 --> 00:45:36,360
and also talking about himself not being basically being a

771
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,159
neutral observer, just seeing maybe like Enoch, what what is

772
00:45:40,199 --> 00:45:44,719
going on here? What sort of yeah, exactly, because I

773
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,480
don't think all the Watchers were evil. I think some

774
00:45:47,559 --> 00:45:51,800
of them were, and you know, like us as human beings,

775
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,239
found women to be, you know, rather hot, you know,

776
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,320
and they wanted to come down. And I agree with

777
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:04,360
Tim Albert, you know, and Joe Mitamale that some combination

778
00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:07,960
of marriage and rape took place, Like I think maybe

779
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,280
initially they went for the marriage idea to steal our birthright,

780
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,239
which is another concept in the album. They were really

781
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,000
looking to replace our birthright given to us by God,

782
00:46:17,079 --> 00:46:21,000
as planet belongs to us and we cede it to

783
00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:28,559
them by our permission, which gosh it. So these themes

784
00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:31,599
run through every song to some degree because in the

785
00:46:31,639 --> 00:46:36,519
song as above so below that's talked about the kind

786
00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:39,599
of the rules of heaven and the beings that came

787
00:46:39,679 --> 00:46:42,320
down and left their first estate. Well, they wanted to

788
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,239
make this their home, and so they built I believe,

789
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,519
similar things to what they left in heaven. Pyramids, mountain

790
00:46:48,679 --> 00:46:53,719
like structures, free energy type devices, all these things that

791
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,199
they had in their own home realm. They either built

792
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:01,760
here or used us as slave labor and showed us

793
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,639
how to build here, and you know whatever. And it

794
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,400
wanted to appear as beings of light and you know,

795
00:47:08,119 --> 00:47:15,480
receive our worship and also eat us. So and you know,

796
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,960
and it's not just the Biblical narrative. Every culture discusses

797
00:47:19,039 --> 00:47:22,960
this very comers. They call them different gods, different names.

798
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,440
This story is slightly different. You know. For instance, you

799
00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:32,280
got the Samerians who talk about how they genetically altered

800
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:37,199
some thing to create as slaves. Maybe they're sort of right,

801
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,679
There might be some truth to that account, because, like you,

802
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,559
I like reading the biblical account and filtering all the

803
00:47:44,599 --> 00:47:48,320
other accounts against that, because I believe the Biblical account

804
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,880
is the straight line and the other ones have crookedness

805
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,079
to it. And so I think part of the crookedness

806
00:47:53,199 --> 00:47:58,639
of the Samerian account is that they probably did take

807
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,000
humans and alter them to be slaves, and maybe that's

808
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,360
one of the reasons that over time, genetically humans decided

809
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,519
because of this, maybe willing, you know, because maybe there

810
00:48:10,559 --> 00:48:13,280
was some advantage by being changed by these beings. I'm

811
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:14,760
sure they made it appealing.

812
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,119
Speaker 1: Like maybe you faster.

813
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:20,119
Speaker 2: Or smarter, and so maybe the payoff was that all

814
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:25,440
your thoughts and your deeds became evil continually towards the

815
00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:29,199
end there as as things progressed. You know, we know

816
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,320
that at some point there's one family that seemed to

817
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,440
walk in God's ways and be genetically pure, because I

818
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,679
think it's both. I know Somedden would argue, well, that

819
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,480
only means that Noah was behaved. Well, I don't think so.

820
00:48:41,559 --> 00:48:44,320
I don't think that's why you keep track of all

821
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:45,519
of your.

822
00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:50,559
Speaker 1: White genealogies and even the Hebrew. The Hebrew, I mean,

823
00:48:50,679 --> 00:48:53,760
go back to the original language. It says that that

824
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,239
word righteous, you know, is to mem and that's the

825
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,719
same word used in describing the purity of the blood

826
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:06,559
of the animals in the sacrificial system. That was a

827
00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:11,480
requirement they had to be to mim.

828
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 2: And so that's why I believe it was both that

829
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:17,199
he did walk with God, you know, and that he

830
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,480
was he and his family, all his family and his

831
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:23,360
bloodline were all genetically pure. That's why you keep track

832
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,559
of such a record. We would think in our day

833
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:29,199
and age, you know, my bother, But if you lived

834
00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:32,599
in a world where virtually all of humanity could not

835
00:49:32,679 --> 00:49:37,320
be trusted, and you know, where their thoughts were evil continually,

836
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,400
I would keep track of my lineage because these people

837
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,280
were clearly offering themselves to these sons of God in

838
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,039
ways where they were being changed. It's not normal for

839
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:52,119
humans to only think evil continually all the time. You know,

840
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:57,599
there's a reason that weird passage is there. He says,

841
00:49:57,599 --> 00:49:58,800
if it's weird, it's important.

842
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, And if the is not, you know, it talks

843
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,199
about it in Genesis, says plainly that you know, Eve

844
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,400
would have a seed and it would be you know, cursed,

845
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:09,960
and the serpent would have a seed and it would

846
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,280
be cursed. And then you get all these you know

847
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,880
what we think is just boring. You know, who begat?

848
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:19,400
Who begat? Who gat? And you clearly see that divide

849
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,960
in the road, and these two lineage, you know, branches

850
00:50:24,039 --> 00:50:27,440
coming off this tree, and what's the point of keeping

851
00:50:27,519 --> 00:50:29,800
up with all that stuff if there wasn't two lines?

852
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: You know, I totally agree with you. And the same

853
00:50:33,559 --> 00:50:37,639
behind the Nephelim offspring and the raphaim and the Amalekites

854
00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:41,559
and all these heights, that they don't have a lineage

855
00:50:42,039 --> 00:50:45,639
that traces back to the Gothic line anymore. At some

856
00:50:45,679 --> 00:50:50,800
point you can see where theirs is gone, and it's uh,

857
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,400
you know, I can't remember how Gary Wayne puts it,

858
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,199
but if you're familiar with Gary Wayne's work, he points

859
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,760
out that all of these tribes of giants don't really

860
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:06,519
have a founding father, so to speak, except maybe it

861
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:10,079
could be traced back to Caine, Tubulcane or Cane.

862
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 1: That's what the Theophics do, you know, all these you know,

863
00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:19,079
the I I think I pronounced that right, the Theophicists

864
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,760
and all these you know, blue bloods and ruling class

865
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,519
and stuff. In his book The Genesis Sis Conspiracy talks

866
00:51:25,559 --> 00:51:30,840
about they all talk about this dragon court and they

867
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,239
keep up with the purity of the blood of their bloodline,

868
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:35,960
and they go all the way back to Caine in

869
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:40,159
the garden, and uh, that's why you had all these

870
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:45,239
royal families, uh, intermarrying and marrying their sister and breeding

871
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,039
with their sister and things like that. But over time

872
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,880
they got to see all the genetic defects.

873
00:51:52,079 --> 00:51:56,039
Speaker 2: Occasionally only occasionally go out of the bloodline, but even

874
00:51:56,079 --> 00:51:58,280
when they went out of their own bloodline, I think

875
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:04,960
they would take somebody in who was different enough. Princess Diana,

876
00:52:05,159 --> 00:52:07,840
you know, that kind of figure, that that kind of

877
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,639
thing going. They brought her in, but she was still

878
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:13,239
sort of of one of those lines, but different enough

879
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,000
to where they weren't going to have genetic issues that

880
00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:25,239
were overly problematic. But anyway, for those who like instrumental tracks,

881
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,639
we have those two in that PDF book I told

882
00:52:28,639 --> 00:52:31,719
you about. You won't be bored if you have the

883
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,440
PDF book and the song is playing like a track

884
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:36,360
number two, The Veil in the Valley of the Shadow

885
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:41,079
of Death. It's an instrumental it's heavily dubstep oriented because

886
00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:45,679
I like heavy dubstep music. It's another influence of mine,

887
00:52:45,679 --> 00:52:47,800
and I have a son that likes him, so I

888
00:52:48,119 --> 00:52:52,599
included a track for him that's even more heavily dubstep influenced.

889
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,239
In my dubstep. I don't mean more towards the ed

890
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,480
M side of things. This is I guess it would

891
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:04,920
be more like bro step, the heavier guitar laden stuff.

892
00:53:05,639 --> 00:53:09,320
But in the book, as the music's playing, I have

893
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:14,239
a story to read so that there is unity and

894
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,679
flow throughout the album. So you can see, well, okay,

895
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,440
here's an instrumental. How am I supposed to know what's

896
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,239
going on with the story with that? Well, there's a story.

897
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,840
You can literally read the story of what's going on

898
00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:28,559
that fits the mood of not only fits the mood

899
00:53:28,599 --> 00:53:32,440
of what you're hearing musically, but it also continues the

900
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:37,039
story on so that it merges up within the next track.

901
00:53:37,639 --> 00:53:41,760
And it's not I wouldn't. It's not like you're reading

902
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,320
a novel here. This is more like a well you've

903
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,360
seen it. It's it's more like you'd be reading a

904
00:53:48,039 --> 00:53:51,559
long comic book. You know everything. It's not that you're

905
00:53:51,559 --> 00:53:53,119
not going to be like, oh my gosh, I can't

906
00:53:53,159 --> 00:53:54,360
read five hundred pages or the.

907
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,079
Speaker 1: Stuff word salad help me?

908
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,559
Speaker 2: Or what's that acronym TLDR too long and didn't read

909
00:54:00,599 --> 00:54:06,599
or whatever, And so this will be I think you'll

910
00:54:07,039 --> 00:54:09,920
be interested enough in the music. If you're if you

911
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,920
have some alone time to be able to put on

912
00:54:13,079 --> 00:54:14,880
a good set of headphones or a good set of

913
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,559
monitors and just read the story while you're listening, I

914
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:20,159
think you'll get a lot out of it. One of

915
00:54:20,159 --> 00:54:22,679
my points of even writing all of this was to

916
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:27,360
red pill people. I know most of your audience probably

917
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,440
doesn't need to be red pilled. Maybe you'll find some

918
00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:33,559
things in this music that you hadn't thought of before,

919
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:41,039
or hadn't considered before, or hadn't put certain dots together before.

920
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,239
But you might have friends that like heavier music and

921
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,679
like storytelling, and this would be you know, because we

922
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,920
all like to talk about these things and we're concerned

923
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,679
about these issues. But then, you know, a lot of

924
00:54:55,679 --> 00:54:59,639
people ask, because I've had emails from people from my podcast,

925
00:54:59,639 --> 00:55:03,000
they'll email, email you and they'll they'll say things, well,

926
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,760
what are we supposed to do about this? What do

927
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,800
we do? I mean, I get what you're saying, and

928
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,159
I believe what you're saying is true. Well what do

929
00:55:08,199 --> 00:55:12,159
I do? And I'm like, well tell others. You know,

930
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,840
you don't have to be super smart. In fact, if

931
00:55:16,119 --> 00:55:19,360
you're raging moron and can't do anything else. You could

932
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:23,000
always share something from somebody else, you know, like share

933
00:55:23,039 --> 00:55:25,679
the album if you if you if you want to

934
00:55:25,679 --> 00:55:28,000
red pill somebody without being obvious about it, just say, man,

935
00:55:28,199 --> 00:55:30,880
you got to check out this story album. It's music

936
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,159
is fricken great, and it tells us a great story

937
00:55:33,159 --> 00:55:35,960
from beginning to end. That friend is gonna at some

938
00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:40,920
point hear those lyrics, read their lyrics, you know, and

939
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:45,920
all that, and it's you know, it's going to red

940
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:46,400
pill them.

941
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,760
Speaker 1: It's planting sieves. Man. Yeah, you listen to it in

942
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,760
your car or we got you buddies. You're going out

943
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,119
to your guys, not out to the bar or pool

944
00:55:55,159 --> 00:55:57,760
how whatever, how you man check this out and turn

945
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,360
it on and be like, oh dude, that's bad ass.

946
00:55:59,360 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 2: Who is that?

947
00:56:00,159 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 1: You know? I mean, that's what it's all about, and.

948
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:06,119
Speaker 2: That's how you do it. That's honestly, guys, Really, if

949
00:56:06,159 --> 00:56:09,159
you've ever wanted to you know, I mean, nobody here

950
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,559
is saying start your own podcast or write a novel,

951
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,360
But you can do something as simple as you know,

952
00:56:16,039 --> 00:56:20,159
liking Justin's podcast or mine, supporting us through what we do.

953
00:56:20,519 --> 00:56:23,000
Even if and when I say that, I'm not talking

954
00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:27,440
monetarily necessarily if you just send a word of encouragement,

955
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,639
because trust me, we get hate mail, and it's great

956
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,000
to also get some mail that says, oh man, what

957
00:56:34,039 --> 00:56:37,719
you're doing is awesome. Please keep up the good work. Yeah,

958
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,159
And so you wouldn't believe how encouraging that is, because

959
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:43,880
I don't know about Justin. I think he's in the

960
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,920
same boat I am, But we probably we work full

961
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,920
time jobs and we still find time to do this

962
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,400
that we love where we're wanting to share this with people,

963
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,079
whether it's do music or podcasts or both or whatever

964
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,199
it's at. I feel like this is what God has

965
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,360
kind of called us to do in our own sort

966
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,719
of you know, profit sort of way or whatever you

967
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,719
want to call it. Or watchmen on the Wall or

968
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,199
you know, we're on the tower with our megaphone holding

969
00:57:11,199 --> 00:57:15,000
our torches high saying hey, hey, yeah, you know, it's

970
00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:17,280
not just humans. There's stuff going on behind here you

971
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:21,159
need to be paying attention to and pray, you know, yeah,

972
00:57:21,239 --> 00:57:23,840
because I don't think we have huge amounts of time left.

973
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: So sorry. That's the thing, is the whole sharing, you

974
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,639
know what I mean, Just the encouragements, you know, is

975
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,239
nice and things like that. But yeah, there's plenty of

976
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:37,119
things you can do for the people that you consume

977
00:57:37,159 --> 00:57:41,920
their content, their music or their writings that is way, way,

978
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:46,239
way more useful than money. You know, I know everybody's

979
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,719
not got money. You know, times are hard right now,

980
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,840
but yeah, hitting that like button and sharing it with

981
00:57:51,719 --> 00:57:53,800
you with your friends and your co workers and he's like,

982
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,920
hey man, check this out. This is pretty cool. You know,

983
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,440
things like that. That's what helped helps to.

984
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 2: Fire absolutely because that's you know again you ask, well,

985
00:58:05,039 --> 00:58:07,119
what can I do? I don't have a podcast, I

986
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:12,840
don't have music talent, share podcasts, share a song, share

987
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,920
an album, or if you want us to be able

988
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,480
to have time to do more content, then buy us

989
00:58:18,519 --> 00:58:21,039
a cup of coffee. Through our like a lot of

990
00:58:21,079 --> 00:58:23,719
YouTube things that are content creators, including mine, you can

991
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,119
hit the thank you button on there and send two

992
00:58:26,199 --> 00:58:30,119
dollars and believe me, it helps. Or subscribe. I don't

993
00:58:30,119 --> 00:58:32,880
have a subscription thing that's a paid subscriber account because

994
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,559
I don't feel like I have enough followers or listeners

995
00:58:35,559 --> 00:58:37,920
to be able to do something like that or you know,

996
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,199
unique enough content and maybe someday I'll do that. But

997
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,800
like justin does. In fact, I'm planning on joining his

998
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:50,440
Q and A thing, you know, and doing the monthly

999
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:51,760
thing because it's.

1000
00:58:51,559 --> 00:58:54,119
Speaker 1: A hey, we've got Ala mar Zuli on the twenty

1001
00:58:54,159 --> 00:58:54,880
eighth man.

1002
00:58:55,039 --> 00:58:56,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, he and I think a lot of Like, I've

1003
00:58:56,679 --> 00:58:59,719
never talked with La Marzuli, but I follow his stuff,

1004
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:04,079
and you know, we're all the priests. We're you know,

1005
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:08,239
pre tribed, pre millennial pre I know, not everybody has.

1006
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:09,719
I know, Doug is, and that's fine.

1007
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,159
Speaker 1: I'm a pre pan, a pre pan.

1008
00:59:13,719 --> 00:59:15,199
Speaker 3: Yeah what is pan?

1009
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,199
Speaker 1: I already know beforehand that it's all going to pan out.

1010
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:25,199
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's great, that's great. Yeah, me too. That's

1011
00:59:25,239 --> 00:59:28,840
why I don't worry so much about this stuff. Now.

1012
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,599
Thing's ever occurred to God. This is all in his

1013
00:59:31,679 --> 00:59:34,280
hands and he knows, and he shares it with us

1014
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:35,960
so we can warn other people. He's not going to

1015
00:59:36,039 --> 00:59:40,920
do anything without sending his profits to warn you of

1016
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:42,599
what's coming. He's done it in his word. But he

1017
00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:47,840
also in that generation will send people through podcasts, through music,

1018
00:59:48,119 --> 00:59:51,920
through writing and warn you of what's coming before he moves.

1019
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,440
He always does, and I think he also with the

1020
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,239
whole as above so below, I think he requires it

1021
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,840
of the little g sums of God too. They may

1022
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,199
not like it, and I think they do their little,

1023
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,840
you know, subversive ways of saying. Look, I told them God,

1024
01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:10,440
you know, through through a movie or whatever. That's on

1025
01:00:10,519 --> 01:00:12,039
them if they don't believe it and they think it's

1026
01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:15,800
just entertainment, but we told them, you know, so they

1027
01:00:16,119 --> 01:00:17,719
have to do it too. And that's why you have

1028
01:00:19,519 --> 01:00:22,519
predicted programming, you know, that's why it's out there is

1029
01:00:22,639 --> 01:00:24,199
I think they have to warn you what they're up

1030
01:00:24,199 --> 01:00:24,800
to too, and.

1031
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: It's rules of engagement.

1032
01:00:26,679 --> 01:00:29,119
Speaker 2: Yep, rules of engagement, that's right, And I think if

1033
01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:32,519
they don't follow it, they're screwed. They're you know. I

1034
01:00:32,519 --> 01:00:36,360
think that's why, Like when the demons possessing people in

1035
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,519
the New Testament, when they saw that it was the

1036
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:40,920
son of God, they were like, you know, oh crap,

1037
01:00:41,159 --> 01:00:43,199
you know, and.

1038
01:00:43,199 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 1: They know the time or they know the roundabout time.

1039
01:00:45,559 --> 01:00:47,400
Are you kind of our time?

1040
01:00:47,639 --> 01:00:52,079
Speaker 2: Yeah? Exactly. I'm sure they were sweating it, like, are

1041
01:00:52,119 --> 01:00:54,679
you planning on sending me away? Forever? I won't have

1042
01:00:54,719 --> 01:00:57,159
any freedom? And if I was one of them, that

1043
01:00:57,199 --> 01:00:59,519
would be the worst thing ever, right, So you wouldn't

1044
01:00:59,519 --> 01:01:02,199
want to you would if I was the enemy, I

1045
01:01:02,239 --> 01:01:05,599
would always be hanging around low hanging fruit. They didn't

1046
01:01:05,639 --> 01:01:08,639
know nothing about Jesus because I as soon as that

1047
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,760
name is in that person's mouth, you run the risk

1048
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,360
of somebody saying, you know, release me from all this,

1049
01:01:15,719 --> 01:01:18,960
Lord Jesus, and save me, you know, and then you're

1050
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:20,760
either going to have to find a new host or

1051
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:24,119
you're under lock up because at that point that person's

1052
01:01:24,119 --> 01:01:27,400
an ambassador for Christ here on this planet, and he

1053
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:31,280
protects us. Yeah. No vacancy, that's right, no vacancy.

1054
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: And I think that's why a lot of people are

1055
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,239
leaning towards this whole AI thing and kind of you know,

1056
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,599
freaked out and scared about it. And rightfully so that

1057
01:01:38,679 --> 01:01:42,000
interview that's been you know, blown up to high heaven,

1058
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,960
and I'm glad because it needs to. But it was

1059
01:01:45,199 --> 01:01:49,360
Jordan Peterson interviewing Elon Musk and he was talking about

1060
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:54,360
that that new supercomputer AI down in Memphis, and he said, yeah, Memphis,

1061
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:57,039
you know the place in Egypt where he said where

1062
01:01:57,039 --> 01:01:59,800
all the gods came from? He said, who knows this

1063
01:02:00,119 --> 01:02:04,360
be where our new god comes from? And Jordan Peterson's like, uh, yeah,

1064
01:02:04,599 --> 01:02:08,159
I wish that was funny because he knows, I mean,

1065
01:02:08,159 --> 01:02:10,360
he knows it's the truth. And like you said, they

1066
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:14,400
got to tell you beforehand. And if you're a disembodied spirit,

1067
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:17,559
you know, you probably get tired of jumping from host

1068
01:02:17,639 --> 01:02:19,760
to host when you get kicked out. I mean, it's

1069
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:21,280
going to be a lot easier for you if you

1070
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,280
can inhabit to an artificial intelligence, because you never have

1071
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,039
to worry about being cast out of that thing.

1072
01:02:26,519 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 2: That's right. And none of these things these people say

1073
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:33,480
are scripted, folks, if they're saying it, or it is

1074
01:02:34,079 --> 01:02:37,159
somewhat scripted, I mean to say, when they say things

1075
01:02:37,239 --> 01:02:43,079
like that, it's not just some you know, casual conversation

1076
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:46,440
and oh it just came up blah blah blah. Everything

1077
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:50,559
they do, every symbol they designed for their corporations, every

1078
01:02:50,599 --> 01:02:53,599
slogan they come up with, everything they put in the movie,

1079
01:02:54,119 --> 01:02:57,719
it's all on purpose. It's not by chance. You know,

1080
01:02:57,880 --> 01:02:59,800
they want you to think it is, but it isn't.

1081
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,639
It's you know. And so nowadays when a man and

1082
01:03:02,639 --> 01:03:05,079
I watch like a movie or whatever on Netflix or whatever,

1083
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,039
they're like, oh, did you see the name of it?

1084
01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:10,840
You see the number on that door? Three f you know,

1085
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:12,800
there's a reason they put three F. It's a three

1086
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,599
and F is six. There's three six is right there

1087
01:03:16,599 --> 01:03:19,039
on that door. That's you know, people might think we're

1088
01:03:19,039 --> 01:03:21,320
looning for thinking. So they could have put any combination

1089
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:23,920
of numbers and letters on that door. They put three F,

1090
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:26,880
or they'll have a license plate or some room number

1091
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:30,159
thirty three, or you know, because they love to communicate

1092
01:03:30,159 --> 01:03:33,400
to one another through numbers and symbols. And when you

1093
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,480
start to figure out what those numbers and symbols are,

1094
01:03:35,599 --> 01:03:38,920
and you are awake from listening to podcasts like this

1095
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:42,199
or mine, or listening to the album, you begin to

1096
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,400
figure these things out and you can't go back to

1097
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:49,159
watching and listening to things anymore. It's like you're being deprogrammed.

1098
01:03:49,239 --> 01:03:52,360
You've you're no longer plug ins by media. Yeah, you've

1099
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,920
been like exactly, like a spiritually unplugging of the matrix.

1100
01:03:56,159 --> 01:03:59,800
They're no longer putting their version of what they want

1101
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:03,199
you to think and to be in their narrative absorbed

1102
01:04:03,199 --> 01:04:06,000
into your brain and your soul. You unplug from that

1103
01:04:06,079 --> 01:04:08,519
and you'll start thinking for yourself and then realize, oh

1104
01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:13,679
my gosh, I have been suckered, you know, and then

1105
01:04:14,119 --> 01:04:16,079
you won't be able to watch. And I hate to

1106
01:04:16,079 --> 01:04:17,280
say it, but watch.

1107
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: Anyway that ruins.

1108
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:23,199
Speaker 2: It's still entertaining, but you'll begin to see things that

1109
01:04:23,239 --> 01:04:24,559
you want paying attention to before.

1110
01:04:24,639 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, movies are no longer just entertainment. They're entertainment and

1111
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,079
they're like treasure hunts because you're sitting there like, Okay,

1112
01:04:30,119 --> 01:04:31,679
I wonder what I'm going to find in this one,

1113
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,199
you know, and you're costly piusing and looking over at

1114
01:04:34,199 --> 01:04:36,440
your old lady or your buddies and look, did you

1115
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:37,519
see that? Did you see that?

1116
01:04:38,199 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? We did that this the other night. Something came

1117
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,039
on some show we were watching, and I was on

1118
01:04:43,079 --> 01:04:44,599
the couch and a man it was to my left,

1119
01:04:44,599 --> 01:04:46,199
and as soon as it happened, we looked at each

1120
01:04:46,199 --> 01:04:48,719
other and like, oh my gosh, could that be more obvious?

1121
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:52,000
What the heck? You know? Yeah, it's ridiculous, you know.

1122
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:58,599
And anyway, it's that is what I definitely try to

1123
01:04:58,639 --> 01:05:02,039
push on the album. I want you, I want you

1124
01:05:02,079 --> 01:05:05,199
all to hear a story and wake you up, because

1125
01:05:05,239 --> 01:05:07,960
sometimes it takes a work of fiction. Maybe not for

1126
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,880
you and you're kind of listening audience, but for some

1127
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:17,320
of your friends. Sometimes these kinds of hard to absorb

1128
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,360
and accept truths are best presented to you, and something

1129
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,639
that appears to be fiction but isn't because.

1130
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 1: You're relaxed, your guard is down, and you're allowed to,

1131
01:05:27,679 --> 01:05:31,400
you know, entertain things that may not be rational, you know,

1132
01:05:31,559 --> 01:05:32,360
quote unquote.

1133
01:05:32,639 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 2: That's why I presented it this way and this reason

1134
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,960
I'm writing the book. I'm writing the little novel I

1135
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,880
say nit and little I've got like I twenty one

1136
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:44,119
or twenty four chapters that are in various stages of completion.

1137
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:50,000
Some have one paragraph, some are completed. Maybe I'll try

1138
01:05:50,039 --> 01:05:51,800
to send you a copy sometime in the next couple

1139
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:55,159
of months. You can read a couple of chapters of

1140
01:05:55,199 --> 01:05:58,079
it and you're, you know, since you have plenty of

1141
01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:02,639
time in your life, right, I mean just kidding. I

1142
01:06:02,639 --> 01:06:04,599
know you're super busy, but I will send you a

1143
01:06:04,639 --> 01:06:07,000
copy of it so you can check it out or whatever. Yeah.

1144
01:06:07,039 --> 01:06:07,199
Speaker 3: Man.

1145
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 2: Anyway, for those who think that some of these songs,

1146
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:18,639
this is one thing that Doug and I discussed as

1147
01:06:18,679 --> 01:06:22,000
a Christian. I like all genres of music. I like

1148
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,280
like the last song on the album is more of

1149
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:29,199
an Irish feeling song with our singer, our female singer

1150
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:36,039
singing kind of a just a calm, irish song. I

1151
01:06:36,079 --> 01:06:38,199
play guitar in it, just a little bit, but it's

1152
01:06:38,239 --> 01:06:41,440
mostly like synth and ambiance, and she sings a solo

1153
01:06:41,519 --> 01:06:45,320
in it. And I put that in there as kind

1154
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,320
of a prequel ending because it's called in the Beginning,

1155
01:06:49,159 --> 01:06:55,039
and it's just a song about how things were and

1156
01:06:55,079 --> 01:06:58,639
we're meant to be at first and we ruined it

1157
01:06:59,159 --> 01:07:02,840
and in the beginning it wasn't always this way, you

1158
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:07,719
know it, And anyway, it's been some people's favorite track,

1159
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:09,679
which has astonished me because I thought it would be

1160
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,880
the least favorite, because most people seem to gravitate in

1161
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:18,159
my world towards heavier music, but this is a very calm,

1162
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:25,840
calm track, and anyway, something different it is. The recording

1163
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:31,679
process is interesting because we were all in different places,

1164
01:07:31,719 --> 01:07:35,920
Like my brother had to record. He's got a piece

1165
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,519
on here that's just all him. He did all the keyboards,

1166
01:07:38,559 --> 01:07:44,320
the synthesizers, and it's a just a calm piano piece

1167
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:48,519
and other instrumental and it's a song called Resigned, and

1168
01:07:48,599 --> 01:07:52,519
it comes after a couple of songs that have to

1169
01:07:52,519 --> 01:08:00,880
deal with things beginning to get crazy. Shay, our female vocalist.

1170
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:05,880
She sings this song about them living among us, and

1171
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:11,599
then you have track five, which is that dubstep song

1172
01:08:11,639 --> 01:08:14,440
I was talking about that it's more double oriented and

1173
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:18,880
it was primarily for one of my sons, and it

1174
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,520
only says bring us down twice. It shouts it kind

1175
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:24,880
of screams it, and it's meant to be the fallen

1176
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:31,239
Launchers wanting to get past the veil, this protective barrier

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01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:35,560
or restrainer of lawlessness. They want to fully be able

1178
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:37,520
to do what they want when they want, you know,

1179
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:40,159
the whole Alistair Crowley thing out. You know, we want

1180
01:08:40,199 --> 01:08:43,680
to do as we will, and so they scream it

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01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,000
at the beginning of the song, well actually about thirty

1182
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:49,960
seconds in, and then it's just mayhem until the end

1183
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:54,159
where it changes to a more positive key because we're

1184
01:08:54,159 --> 01:08:58,399
transitioning into the next song, which is Taken to the Skies,

1185
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:02,119
which is I know not everybody agrees that there'll be

1186
01:09:02,159 --> 01:09:04,880
a rapture or changing of bodies or whatever, but I do.

1187
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:08,239
And so we wrote about it, and I want it.

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01:09:08,279 --> 01:09:11,560
With all of these songs, I wanted to write about

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01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:13,880
it in such a way that you didn't know necessarily

1190
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,760
what I was talking about, like, I don't ever mention

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01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:21,760
the word rapture at any of it. Right in fact,

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01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,720
if you don't mind, I don't know how much time

1193
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:29,000
we have left, but I will read just a portion

1194
01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:34,680
of this song starts off. My wife thought it kind

1195
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:37,439
of started off weird because I was trying to get

1196
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:41,640
a clock sound, honestly like TikTok, and I just couldn't

1197
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,680
get it to match properly. So I decided just to

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01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:48,000
use this keyboard loop, you know, at the beginning of it,

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01:09:48,039 --> 01:09:51,560
and it transitions into some guitar work and then into

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01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:57,399
this weird Hebrew sounding violin keyboard type sound, and then

1201
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:03,079
the music drops out and you're listening to just the

1202
01:10:03,159 --> 01:10:07,960
vocalist harmonizing, and I was kind of going for a

1203
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,600
Pink Floyd vibe with the way that some of their

1204
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,760
odd harmonies they do. And then the heavy stuff kicks

1205
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:17,279
in again, and then musically we returned back to another theme,

1206
01:10:17,399 --> 01:10:22,199
and then it transitions slowly into this major key type

1207
01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:27,680
heavy stuff. And I'm going to read just that portion

1208
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:34,039
of it where it talks about the more major key stuff.

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01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:37,159
And it starts here with Caught in the Surge, a

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01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:42,039
blinding force form reshaped along its course. Gray eyes watch

1211
01:10:42,279 --> 01:10:46,520
the veil recede, flesh to light, a new breed freed,

1212
01:10:47,319 --> 01:10:50,319
a crack in the dark, a spiral blaze, light pours

1213
01:10:50,399 --> 01:10:54,279
through forgotten days. A trumpet blasts the final sound. The

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01:10:54,399 --> 01:10:58,359
lost returned, the lost now found. Streams of light through

1215
01:10:58,399 --> 01:11:02,159
shattered skies, formless shapes, and the blink of eyes. Golden

1216
01:11:02,279 --> 01:11:07,079
arcs consume the air, Transformed bodies rising there beyond the veil.

1217
01:11:07,239 --> 01:11:10,560
The silent stand witness to the shift of man, the

1218
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:15,079
gray wanderer, bound to see, in one breath eternity. And

1219
01:11:15,079 --> 01:11:18,439
then the song ends out. Now you and I might

1220
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:21,199
pick up on the real quick that that's a reference.

1221
01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, silence of Heaven to everything.

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01:11:25,239 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. But now another person he's not familiar with any

1223
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:31,680
of that, me, like, what the hell is this guy

1224
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:32,319
talking about?

1225
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 1: You may get an atheist, you know, I mean, banging

1226
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,079
his head and singing along with the lyrics, not even

1227
01:11:37,119 --> 01:11:40,359
realizing you know that he's right, but some Bible stuff.

1228
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,159
Speaker 2: At some point he might come across that seed, you know,

1229
01:11:43,239 --> 01:11:46,520
somebody planning a seed about something and be like, oh

1230
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:50,960
my gosh, I think this song was about the rapture

1231
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:53,199
experience people being caught up into the sky and change

1232
01:11:53,319 --> 01:11:56,000
in the blink of an eye. You know. I try

1233
01:11:56,079 --> 01:11:58,079
not to make it too obvious, and part of that

1234
01:11:58,159 --> 01:11:59,199
is I want you to be able to share it

1235
01:11:59,279 --> 01:12:02,640
with people who you know, may may be on the fence,

1236
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:06,760
or maybe I don't necessarily care about this stuff. They

1237
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:07,640
just like heavy music.

1238
01:12:08,399 --> 01:12:11,319
Speaker 1: It's good apologetics. I mean, it really is. Because anybody

1239
01:12:11,359 --> 01:12:13,760
knows somebody standing over the top of you telling you

1240
01:12:14,039 --> 01:12:18,800
how it is. You may have all the answers, but

1241
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,159
that person's going to reject it because how you're delivering

1242
01:12:21,239 --> 01:12:23,880
the message. So it's like if you ask questions and

1243
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:27,319
just kind of nonchalantly look over this way to get

1244
01:12:27,359 --> 01:12:30,600
them to look. People are only going to accept something

1245
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:32,039
if they think it's their idea.

1246
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:38,079
Speaker 2: That's that is true. And almost every case, yeah people,

1247
01:12:39,239 --> 01:12:42,039
I mean eye persol when somebody says, well you can't do.

1248
01:12:42,039 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 1: That, or you know, watch me, that's.

1249
01:12:48,239 --> 01:12:51,039
Speaker 2: Wat you know, Oh I can't, I can't to produce

1250
01:12:51,079 --> 01:12:54,439
this album myself, Okay, well watch me do it. Just

1251
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:56,640
things like that, and I know most people are wired

1252
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:59,560
that way, and that's why I wanted to put something

1253
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,680
out there where you know, you all could share something

1254
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:07,199
with somebody and not be too worried about them, figuring, oh, well,

1255
01:13:07,199 --> 01:13:10,079
this is just you know, this is just a Christian whatever,

1256
01:13:10,399 --> 01:13:13,279
because it's it's definitely not going to sound like Christian music.

1257
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:15,640
That's one of the things Doug Van Door and I

1258
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:19,920
talked about is you know this, you know so many

1259
01:13:21,359 --> 01:13:23,359
but we were talking about it from the Christian perspective,

1260
01:13:23,359 --> 01:13:28,560
where many Christian artists or Christian people will just poop

1261
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:31,600
on this kind of music because it's too heavy or whatever.

1262
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:34,479
And I think that's a shame you miss. Look like

1263
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:35,359
Doug said, hey.

1264
01:13:35,279 --> 01:13:37,199
Speaker 1: And that's all good because I mean, honestly, those aren't

1265
01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:38,319
the people you're trying to reach.

1266
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 2: That's exactly right. And Doug has said something I thought

1267
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,720
was really a great observation.

1268
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:48,600
Speaker 1: And you know, doctors don't do good, you know out

1269
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,560
on the beach where everybody's healthy, happy hole, doctors do

1270
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:53,439
well with the sick people.

1271
01:13:54,159 --> 01:13:58,319
Speaker 2: That's exactly right. And God is the author of music,

1272
01:13:59,239 --> 01:14:03,479
not the uses, not the little g whatevers. I know

1273
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:06,600
they want to influence us in ways that you know,

1274
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,920
can ruin us or whatever, but God is the one

1275
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:15,000
who is light and music, and so just like any

1276
01:14:15,079 --> 01:14:19,600
tool that is given to us. It's gray in your

1277
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:23,319
hand until you push it for the light direction or dark.

1278
01:14:24,119 --> 01:14:27,119
Just like you're given a walk here like a pilgrim,

1279
01:14:27,239 --> 01:14:29,680
like Pilgrim's gray. You're one of the tools you're given

1280
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:33,720
is your walk here. And you're either going to become

1281
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:36,800
from gray to more light or you're going to go

1282
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:39,800
from gray to darker with every step you take, with

1283
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:43,399
every thought you think, with everything you say, and your

1284
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:48,079
life bumps into other people. So your influence you're either go.

1285
01:14:48,279 --> 01:14:50,880
So they're what you're doing going to be pushing people

1286
01:14:51,239 --> 01:14:54,239
in one of those two directions. Also, And so what

1287
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:57,479
you know, what I'm doing here, and what Justin does too,

1288
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:00,479
is we're trying to help you on your pilgrims journey

1289
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:04,920
in the white direction. You know you don't amen to

1290
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,000
do it, but you know we're just trying to. You know,

1291
01:15:07,079 --> 01:15:08,640
we're holding a torch out in front of you and

1292
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:09,840
trying to lead you in the right direction.

1293
01:15:10,079 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, amen, Well, dude, I think that's a good

1294
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,920
good note to end on right there before we go. Uh,

1295
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,159
if you guys have liked this conversation, and if you've

1296
01:15:19,279 --> 01:15:21,880
liked any of the music that you've heard playing in

1297
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:26,319
the background of this episode. Here's the author, so be

1298
01:15:26,399 --> 01:15:29,319
sure to check out his links and stuff that he's

1299
01:15:29,319 --> 01:15:31,079
going to lead you to here, and I will make

1300
01:15:31,119 --> 01:15:33,600
sure that they are in the description blow also to

1301
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,880
make it easier for you. But Robert, before we go, man,

1302
01:15:37,119 --> 01:15:40,640
let everybody know, like websites, where can they find your

1303
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:44,920
music and your read along material that you were talking about,

1304
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:46,479
where can they find all your stuff?

1305
01:15:47,279 --> 01:15:51,079
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so we have a band page and it's

1306
01:15:51,159 --> 01:15:55,960
just simply Pilgrimscray dot com www dot Pilgrimscray dot com.

1307
01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:00,399
And that's Gray spelled with an E on an A

1308
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:05,079
and there's no it's all just lowercase Pilgrims Gray p

1309
01:16:05,399 --> 01:16:08,760
I L g R I N s g R e

1310
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:12,640
y dot com. And there you can listen to the tracks,

1311
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:15,319
look at what merchandise we have if you want to

1312
01:16:15,319 --> 01:16:18,319
support us in that way or even tip us. Uh,

1313
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:21,479
there's a thing there to you know, Hey, I think

1314
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:24,000
you're awesome. You know, here's spine bucks. Keep making good music,

1315
01:16:24,159 --> 01:16:26,720
you know, and it doesn't have to be large amounts.

1316
01:16:27,239 --> 01:16:31,520
And we also have our YouTube channel which we can

1317
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:33,640
put in a link, I guess, but if you want

1318
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:37,960
to search for it, it's you will know is the

1319
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:42,000
YouTube channel. I know it doesn't. It's not Pilgrims Gray

1320
01:16:42,079 --> 01:16:44,680
or anything like that, but that's because I got so

1321
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:48,359
many subscribers under that moniker and that's why I kept

1322
01:16:48,359 --> 01:16:51,199
it there. But I post everything from Pilgrims Gray there.

1323
01:16:51,239 --> 01:16:54,720
So the podcast you can find its spreaker and its

1324
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:58,279
streams on every major streaming platform that you can think of.

1325
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:02,479
I'm having issues with Apple right now because I'm caught

1326
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:07,840
in a time or a password to two factored authentication

1327
01:17:08,039 --> 01:17:11,199
loop with Apple, so it's on everything but Apple right

1328
01:17:11,199 --> 01:17:13,640
now until I get that fixed. So I listen to

1329
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:16,199
most of my stuff on Spotify. We're definitely on Spotify.

1330
01:17:16,239 --> 01:17:21,119
Both the album Pilgrim's Gray, the band our album which

1331
01:17:21,159 --> 01:17:24,039
is called eleven Z's if you want to search for it.

1332
01:17:24,039 --> 01:17:28,680
It's on every streaming platform, Apple Music, iHeart Radio, Spotify,

1333
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:33,199
you name it. And also the podcast every major podcasting

1334
01:17:33,239 --> 01:17:37,720
stream it's out there. I only have a few episodes out,

1335
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:41,520
but the one we did on Tartaria I think has

1336
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:44,560
twenty four thousand views now and I've got like, I

1337
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:48,520
think almost four thousand extra subscribers from it, and so

1338
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:54,800
we welcome anybody to come in comment share talk support.

1339
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:58,800
You know, it's so important that when you're listening to

1340
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:02,680
people like Justin or anybody else, you know, we're not

1341
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:05,199
in a vacuum. We we like to hear encouragement too,

1342
01:18:05,239 --> 01:18:09,279
because this gets tough, you know, coming up with info

1343
01:18:09,399 --> 01:18:11,920
and making sure it's solid while you're working a full

1344
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:14,439
time job and doing all the other things like he

1345
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:18,479
you know, Justin's writing a book or finished just finished

1346
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:22,960
writing a book, you know, the Chronicles of Esau. I

1347
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:24,960
think that's what it's called. NOD has to do with Esong,

1348
01:18:26,399 --> 01:18:31,439
but in anyway, it's it's going to be a great close, yeah,

1349
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:35,720
like the epic a gilgamensionally with Esong and which I'm

1350
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:38,359
sure that's probably what you had in mind, and that's great.

1351
01:18:38,399 --> 01:18:40,560
But that's that's all we've got out there is we

1352
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,159
have the band Pilgrim's Great. We have the podcast The

1353
01:18:43,159 --> 01:18:48,159
pilgrims Great Chronicles, two episodes a week Monday at eight

1354
01:18:48,199 --> 01:18:52,159
am Central Standard Time, Friday night at eight pm. It's

1355
01:18:52,199 --> 01:18:54,359
a shorter one, just the top three stories of the week,

1356
01:18:55,119 --> 01:18:58,159
and visit the YouTube channel anytime. I'm also on x

1357
01:18:58,239 --> 01:19:01,359
as you will know, or Twitter or whatever you want

1358
01:19:01,359 --> 01:19:06,319
to call it, and we'll just I'll send justin the

1359
01:19:06,359 --> 01:19:08,600
links to make it easier so you can just click

1360
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:12,960
on it if that's okay. And yeah, that's it. So

1361
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:16,399
check it all out and rock out with us and

1362
01:19:17,239 --> 01:19:20,039
learn the words, learn the story, and have fun and

1363
01:19:20,079 --> 01:19:21,039
share it with your friends.

1364
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:22,119
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1365
01:19:22,159 --> 01:19:25,199
Speaker 2: Man, we have a lot of fun doing it. Yeah.

1366
01:19:25,319 --> 01:19:28,279
Speaker 1: Well, Robert, Man, I appreciate the conversation, sit down, hanging

1367
01:19:28,319 --> 01:19:30,479
out with me, taking out time. I know, time is

1368
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:32,760
life's most valuable resource. That's the one thing we can't

1369
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:36,279
get enough of or any more of. So I appreciate

1370
01:19:36,279 --> 01:19:38,199
you taking time out to come talk to me and

1371
01:19:38,239 --> 01:19:41,039
share some of your your nuggets that you found with us.

1372
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 2: And well, the next time you're in southern Middle Tennessee,

1373
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:45,880
we'll go do lunch or something.

1374
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:50,079
Speaker 1: Oh definitely. This summer, I'm definitely I'm hitting some of

1375
01:19:50,119 --> 01:19:54,079
these ancient North American sites and mounds and stuff pretty hard.

1376
01:19:54,159 --> 01:19:56,319
I'll be doing a lot of filming this summer, so

1377
01:19:56,359 --> 01:19:58,439
I plan coming out that way actually check out some

1378
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:00,000
of the mounds out there in Middle Tennessee.

1379
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:04,359
Speaker 2: Man, you have a hood old stone for it. Yeah, definitely,

1380
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:05,800
I'll come walk it with you.

1381
01:20:06,319 --> 01:20:10,039
Speaker 1: A right, man, it's a date yes, thank you Jin guys.

1382
01:20:10,239 --> 01:20:12,920
Hope you enjoyed that. Be sure check out robert stuff.

1383
01:20:13,399 --> 01:20:15,680
Like I said, all the links will be down below

1384
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:18,800
to make it easier for you and Hey guys, As always,

1385
01:20:19,399 --> 01:20:23,199
the difference between the known and the unknown is what Robert.

1386
01:20:24,399 --> 01:20:27,760
Speaker 2: The journey baby. Let those torches high.

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01:20:28,039 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 1: Good journey guys,