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This is a man that I met at actually my
first speaking engagement at a conference ever with the camp
ramand guys up in Kentucky. And this gentleman we sit
down and we had a really good weekend just exchanging
of ideas with each other and hanging out by the
bonfires and getting to know each other. And this man
is a man with many hats. He is a musician,
he is a podcastre uh. You might as well say
he is a an author because some of his music
tells a really, really great story and it's in the
same circles that we love to enjoy. So I'd like
to welcome the show Robert Clark. Robert, thank you for
coming on.
Speaker 2: Man. Absolutely good to see you again.
Speaker 1: Yeah you too, brother. Well, hey man, just for those
that don't know you, give it, give everybody a feel
you introduce yourself and give everybody a little background.
Speaker 2: Sure, Robert Clark, as you just heard, I'm the guitarist
for Pilgrim's Gray and do Keys. Also strange background noises ambiance.
I do some background vocals, but unless you're really listening,
you ain't gonna hear it because I don't like my voice,
so I blended in, you know, underneath our singers voices.
I enjoy music, I always have and was not satisfied
just to be a listener. I wanted to participate and
some of the awesome tones that I would hear, and
I am trying to be an author. I mean, the
whole part of how this particular album that we just
released came about was I was, in fact, my whole
journey into this world of beyond headline Sunday school stuff
came about from studying to write a book, a fictional novel.
It's how my podcast even got started. I was just
digging into all of this stuff I'd heard of Michael Heiser,
a gentleman by the name of Trey Smith, and my
wife and I just went on a deep dive on
this because it was right about the time of you know,
the whole twenty twenty event, and we all had a
bit more time on our hands, and we were all wondering,
what in the world is going on in the world,
you know, and I'd always wanted to write a book,
even when I was a kid. I read Tolkien stuff.
When I think it was nine, I read The Hobbit,
and then all the other writings between age ten and fourteen,
and then I've read you know, like many I've read
those works maybe once or you know, once every year
or two, I'll go back and read them because I
don't really like anything else. But at some point, I
don't know what it is about me. But when I
when I come across something really great like that, there's
this part of me that's not satisfied just to take
it in. You know that with some things there are
like if I'm out on a walk or the Grand
Canyon or something like that, sometimes you don't want to
just be taking constant pictures. You want to you want
to take it all in. But when it comes to
music and reading a good novel, something just gets stirred
up in me and I want to write. And so
I came up with an idea for a book over time,
and I wanted to write about the Antidiluvian world, kind
of a historical fiction thing. But I didn't know much
about it, and I didn't know where to look, you
know where do you get history for the Antidiluvian world.
You know, if it wasn't on the arc, it's gone,
you know, unless you find it buried in caves. And
so the more I dug into that, the more I
realize how much I did not know. I mean, I
didn't know Squat and the more I read up on it,
the more I had to keep changing my book, adding chapters,
changing chapters, and so I just basically decided it was
in my best interest just to write a fictional account
of some characters. And I don't want to get too
much away. And I'm like three years into writing this book,
and I keep changing things, and so it's going to
take me forever to finalize and finish this. But in
the meantime I also had musical idea is And at
first I wanted to do a concept album about what
was going on in the world, primarily politically, because I
had fallen into the whole, you know, I want to
call it the checkerboard paradigm, the whole black and white thing,
you know, leftists, right, you know, But now I kind
of see it as you know, you know, two wings
on the same corrupt bird. Really, I don't release I
just see it all heading in one common direction, and
I wanted to separate myself from it, because I don't
want to argue with my fellow Americans about you know,
superfluous stuff. I want. I wanted to see things that
were just true, period. But that's not what you get
in mainstream media, and that's not what you get with
the you know, general news that they're always wanting to
pick you against each other and anyway, So I saw that,
and but then I also saw what was As I
was studying the antidiluvian world, it dawned on me that,
you know, this isn't about us humans arguing and fighting
with one another. We're getting our strings pulled from behind
the scenes by powers principalities. And at first I thought
of it as the unseen world or unseen realm, like
Heiser says. Then it also dawned on me that we
have so many stories from every culture on this planet
about how these things manifest themselves physically in this world.
I'm convinced that's where stories of vampiresm werewolves, all these
different things, the Highlander, all these like things where these
beings seem to be able to take on physical form.
But maybe pass away after one hundred and twenty years,
and I have to take on some new form somehow,
either through maybe a ritual or avatar ing until they
can take over a host. I don't know. I know
that sounds crazy but maybe to some listeners, but well,
I don't know. We've discussed that. You and I have
discussed this at the LBL conference, these kind of things,
and so I shifted from the political narrative of my
concept album and went to what's really behind all this,
which is these rebellious sons of God who've been doing
this since maybe even before the world was created, slandering
God before the other angels, getting people to turn against
him or believe he's you know, like the Gnostics, he's
the real bad guy, and Lucifer or Halal is the
real good guy. That is the Prometheus for us all
or as I see him as you know, what is
prometheistic about, giving us knowledge to determine for ourselves what
is good and evil. By disobeying a God that is
perfect in every way, I mean, but it seems to
me by definition, what you've done just then is you've
taken what was a straight, perfect line and everything else
after eating of that tree is all cricket lines to
someone to creed. That's not a prometheus event as a
terrible event. We have centuries and eons of human history
to see how horrible an idea that was.
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Speaker 2: And so that's kind of the story behind the musical
aspect of it. I don't know if listeners would want
to know influentially music wise, I guess I would say
I picked up a guitar the first time I heard
Exit Stage Left by Rush, and I wasn't even interested. Really.
It was my brother's guitar. He just had one, and
it was just a piece of junk, like a you know,
a dime store six string that only had two or
three strings on it at the time. So I was
learning the intro lines to Red Barchetta just all over
the fret word on a sixth string, you know. And eventually,
after tooling around with that, you know, I got taught
some you know, fifth chords, power chords, and then basic
chords and then augmented seven and you know, I just
kept adding to I consider it like a language. Since
the more that you learn, the more you can express
yourself through the instrument, you know, uh, and not just
through words, but how you say the words. You know,
like vibrato is kind of like your your dialect, Like
you speak creole, You're going to have that accent. Well,
not everybody's vibrato is the same. That's why the tone
is really in the fingers. When you're playing, is you're
communicating basically, you know, your soul through how you do
all these things and through your words. And I came
across I remember the first time I ever heard Randy
Rhodes is playing. I was skipping school out on launch.
We weren't supposed to do campus, but I was taking
a lunch money and I was playing I don't know
if anybody remembers this game, but Stargate, which was like
the Fender but you could pick up the little guys
and take them to a stargate and help them survive
or whatever. And then I say, I know, I hear
this crazy thing. I thought it was some stupid you know,
car stereo commercially because at the time car stereo commercials
were really big. And I was in Portland, organ at
the time or in that area, and it was kg
O in I think it was the radio station.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 2: It was the intro at a crazy train, you know.
And at the time, nobody had ever heard anything like it.
I mean, we'd heard heavy guitar, you know, Black Sabbath,
Deep Purple and Halen of course, and you know that
was more like blues rock based, you know what I mean.
I mean Sabbath wasn't necessarily they had some pretty heavy
rhythms and stuff, but I hadn't.
Speaker 1: I had not heard that Missus City blues kind of
swing to it, you know, yeah, yeah, that kind of
thing that's really Eddie Van Halen's.
Speaker 2: You know, he really liked doing that kind of thing,
blues jazz and it's merging it all together. But I've
never heard anything like Randy did on that first Bluzzerd
album or Dire of a Madman, And I was like,
how did he get that heavy tone? And how is
he doing all these crazy little chirps and whistles and whatever.
So I started trying to figure all that out, and
then I kind of became enamored with his methodology, his
approach and always trying to learn something new, Like I
liked the idea behind Randy that he was always wanting
to learn. Every time they were on tour, they would
go someplace and learn something, and that really inspired me to,
you know, really dig in and get beyond the oh
my gosh, I can't play this. I don't want to
throw my guitar afrough the wall. You know, those those
moments where your muscle memory just doesn't want to cooperate.
But if you play it slow and you build upon it,
you eventually get it down. And so that's kind of
my musical journey learning how to play the guitar. And
I've just always had an ear for certain things. I
took to the piano melody wise pretty good. But for
the life of me, even though I can play the guitar,
for the life of me, I cannot play a chord
structure with my left hand and a melody line with
my right. And I don't even know how drummers do
what they do, four limbs doing different things I have,
and then some of them seeing like you know, so
I don't know how they did it. Like those that
band The Warning, they have a female drummer that I
think has a pretty good sound to it, and she
sings and I'm like how do you how do you
get you know, I'm not saying that her drumming is
super complex, you know, like the guy from Tool or anything, Danny,
but you know, just just that you can sing and
play at the same time, because I can only at best,
I can play guitar and do some background vocals while
I'm playing. But I don't even like playing live. I
love being in the studio doing stuff. You know. Maybe
it's because if I make a mistake in the age,
you know, because one of my trups, and.
Speaker 1: That's why I love pre record. Everybody's doing live now.
It's like, I'm good with pre record.
Speaker 2: Man, It's awesome because it gives you the chance in
the time to be able to make things sound more professional.
So typically what I would do is just, you know,
like I'm a solo on one of our songs. I
think it's called Return.
Speaker 1: Of the King.
Speaker 2: What I would do is I would in my d
a W I would take that section that I'm soloing
over and I would loop it, and then I would
set up a track, an audio track with my plugins.
I used neural DSP and I think for that particular track,
I was using archetype Patrucci, and I wasn't using the
normal rhythm track thing for the rhythms. I use nothing
but the lead a channel amp with less gain for
the rhythm and a little bit more game I think,
with a compressor in front of it for and I
adjusted the EQ to get more of a violin sound
because I wanted to play a solo on that song
that had kind of a cocked waw Brian May kind
of sound to it, because I like Brian May, I
love his playing, and as it turned out, it just
didn't sound right. I mean, it had the cocked wall sound,
but for what was going on rhythmically and tone and
sound wise for the song, it was too high pitched
and brittle. So I just adjusted the EQ to make
a sad face where you know, I do a high
pass low pass and then emphasize slightly some of the
mid range, and then I got what I wanted. And
so I played probably seven or eight takes and just
kept the best parts of two of them, and daw
magic you can merge them together and make them sound
like it was all one take and it's not. I mean,
that's one of the secrets folks, and a lot of
musicians do it, so even back in the day would
take you know, it's my understanding. Eddie van Halen did
that a lot. He would just play a bunch of
great takes and they would just take the best one.
And I've heard, and I don't know if it's true
because it came out of David lee Ros's mouth, but
that they would struggle with he would sometimes struggle during their.
Speaker 1: The live performances. Yeah, not different, I would imagine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not necessarily during the live performance, but when they
would go to prepare for the live performance and you know,
soundcheck and do all the pre stuff or getting ready
for the tour. You know, it was somewhat of a
challenge to put that whole solo together because you're all
over the fret board, you know. I mean, if anybody
could do it, it would be him. But I just when
when I heard that, it felt me made me feel
a little bit better about myself.
Speaker 1: Right, And I don't suck that as bad as I
think I do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not quite as bad as a thought, you know. Yeah. Anyway,
that's that's kind of the basic foundation for everything.
Speaker 1: And uh, and what's the name of the group again?
In case they missed it.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that I should go into that. Pilgrim's Great
is the name of the group and the explanation for that,
because I've had a lot of people say, oh, is
that Tolkien, you know, because Gandalf is called.
Speaker 1: The Hero's Journey?
Speaker 2: Baby, Yeah, I love that, by the way, and your
some of your podcasts the Hero's Journey, where I can't
remember how you say it, but the difference between yeah,
I know, it's the journey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so yeah, and that's the journey of the
Gray Wanderer and my storyline here, so excuse me. The
Pilgrim's Gray is my take on what I mentioned earlier.
It's got kind of two basic foundations. For one is spiritual.
I feel like we're all born into this world as
Pilgrim's wandering through it, and we're really kind of a
shade of gray. Initially, I know we're born with a
sinful nature and all that, but really the reality is
we're kind of this gray thing, and we're, like Lewis writes,
anybody you meet and even yourself, everything that you interact with,
you say, you think, and you do, pushes you either
towards white or dark. To the point that you know,
if you met that person in the spirit room after
centuries and centuries, it would either be a being that
you would almost want worship because they were so glorious
and light filled, or something from the world of nightmares.
You know, like I can't remember her name. I should
remember her name, but she was at the conference, the
LBL conference, Yes, Vicky Joy Anderson, and you know she
brought up some of those nightmarish creatures. Well, that would
be you if you're head in that direction or you're
pushing other people in that direction. And so that was
part of the spiritual aspect of that journey that we
kind of start off with a gray slate and head
in one direction or the other. But the other take
is more political or how the world that we're dealing
with here works, and that is the black and white checkerboard.
The Masons and those who think like them want you
to be a part of that white hat, black hat,
white the whole checker thing. And what I'm trying to
persuade people to do is take a step back from
that and be a gray, neutral observer of what's really
going on, because sometimes I feel like what's really going
on is a good cop bad Copper team, that there
are no real good guys politically and we are just
being pushed towards one world government. It's just you might
like the white hat version of it better than the
black hat version, which might be more tyrannical. But sometimes
I think they work together. The black hats create a situation.
Working with the white hats. It's kind of a push
the person who can't swim out of the canoe scenario,
and then you pull them out and you're the hero,
a good cup back coper team, you know what I mean.
So you've got all these things that seem I don't
want to get too political because I don't want to
make people in your audience angry, because I know there's
lots of different people who support different views. I would
just tell you get out of the left right paradigm
and just be more critical thinking about both sides of it,
because I think both sides are controlled by the little
g gods that have been around since the beginning, and
they're just trying to divide you. You know, if you
don't agree with somebody, pray for them, Pray for them
to have discernment in their eyes open instead of telling
them they're a you know, a moronic douchebag or whatever.
You know, it's far more constructive to pray for them.
And it's biblical. It's supposed to pray for your enemies, right,
But that's not what they want us to do. They
want us divided in that black white paradigm Yan Yang you.
Speaker 1: Know, chaos order, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Exactly, And that's exactly what the Good Cop Bad Cop
YU teen is. They create the chaos first and then
they send in their white hat team and then you
think they are a knight on a white horse coming
to rescue you. And that's kind of what the song
A Crown of Smoking Stars on the album is about
that you liked. It starts off with a pretty female
voice singing, and then book the male Volk joins in
and it's a little bit more gravelly and shouty, and
the whole song has kind of a rhythmic vibe or
feel to it that's sort of maybe Avenged sevenfoldy meets
Dream Theater kind of a kind of a rhythm or whatever.
And anyway, my whole point with that song was, you know,
be careful. You know you might be carrying you might
be the one carrying the snake across the river and
getting bit on the other side.
Speaker 1: Yeah, unbeknownst to yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So I'm just saying, remain gray as a
pilgrim here and pay attention, be a critical thinker, see
what's going on, and for God's sake, don't don't listen
to the mainstream media. They do. They don't have your
your best interest at heart, and I don't think anybody
really in the political world necessarily does either, even though
it may seem like it. You know, like I and
I discussed this all the time, and Amanda said to
tell you, hi, she was at the LBL conference too,
for those who don't know, and it was a great
conference if you ever have a chance to go something
like this. Justin did a great job and it was
it was awesome and a lot of fun. But she
would say, you know, basically the same thing. You can't
You can't trust these these things. And they may seem
like they're doing like the doge thing seems great, right
if I didn't know what I knew from stepping back
and keeping gray and off the black and white checkerboard
and not letting them, you know, push me to you know,
I'm a Republican. I'm a Democrat, I'm you know, you
stand back from it and look at the whole thirty
thousand altitude view. You don't know if that dog thing
is heading you right down into a false sense of
trust and somebody that is eventually going to have you
receive a mark so that you can buy, sell, and
trade everything you know, and you willingly accept it because
they've built the trust up for you to do it.
And you don't think that it's something bad. You think
maybe you might be thinking it's, you know, God's mark
on the head. I don't know. All I know is
just because it's you know, it seems good, doesn't necessarily
make it good. Because we know that the rebellious sons
of God love to approach you as a light bearer,
a Prometheus figure, you know.
Speaker 1: Like we talked about pre rail. That's why it's so important.
And Paul said, you know, to test the spirits.
Speaker 2: Exactly that's exactly right, that's exactly right. Always be testing,
and you can't you can't properly test if you're caught
up in either black or white. That's why the gray
comes in and that's the whole name for the band.
Pilgrim's Gray and our podcast, which is The Pilgrim's Gray Chronicles,
which I do. I try to do an hour long
show or more every well, I don't try. I do
every Monday at eight a m. Central Standard time. If
you want to tune in it's I do it using spreaker.
But I also have a YouTube channel under my LLC
called You Will Know, and so I put up on
my podcasts there. If my band does a music video
type thing, it'll be presented on that YouTube channel and
the Primariason. And I didn't change is because I already
had like thirty thousand subscribers. So I didn't want to.
You know what I'm saying, I don't want to change it.
And then suddenly it was like, well, what the heck
is this? I didn't say switch. Yeah, people don't. People
don't necessarily like change like that. You know, they subscribe
to the brand you presented.
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Speaker 2: But I just wanted to make sure that rather than changing,
I'm just adding to you know, like some people will
have a broadcast thing where they have more than one podcast,
but they it's all under one, you know, corporate umbrella
type thing or LLC, and that's kind of what it is.
And so we put our music there and I try
to put a pinnable comment on every video now that
I make with the podcast, where I put all the
links for people who want to support us or whatever,
the band, the podcast, you know whatever. And we also
do on Friday night that's shorter. I just do three
top stories of the week and try to relate it
to our main subject, which is, you know, keeping track
of these little sons of God, little g sons of God,
and what they're up to, you know, out there in
the world, because I think not only do they influence
invisibly behind the scenes, but I do think they walk
among us physically. You just may not know it. Like
we discussed in pre roll the Book of Hebrews, it's
not just about the good angels out there lifting a
car off you, you know, and then disappearing. They may
stay here for some time like the movie The Highlander,
and just renew themselves in some ways you perform that
we don't have we'd have to conjecture about. But we
have some idea because we know that we know about
blood rituals, and we know that it seems as if
blood is involved with longevity, you know, maybe that's where
vampirism comes from. It's just these creatures over time have
been paid attention to bias and written about. You know.
Every culture has stories of long living beings and have
either aided us in some way or been horrible to us,
you know.
Speaker 1: And Christians shouldn't recoil it that because sometimes you know,
some Christians want to recoil you know when you talk
about like that. But it's like it says in the Bible,
you know, do not drink the blood. You know, the
life force is in the blood, you not to drink it.
So I mean that you don't make out a rule,
law or regulation if someone's not doing the said thing.
Speaker 2: Exactly, like like Heiser said about or maybe it was
Derek Gilbert about to by the way, I think that
that is Derek that does your intro right, Yeah, yeah,
I thought i'd rec advise his voice. They mentioned, you know,
similar things. I've lost my train of thought here, but
this this whole notion, well, I can't remember I was
going to say, but I did want to mention when
you bring up blood in our life force being in
the blood, it may I always wondered, you know, the
curse on the nakash or the serpent, whether you believe
it was some sort of you know, Satan himself or
Halale or Shimyaza who might have been in the garden.
We don't really want one hundred percent know, but we
do know it was some sort of shining one, either
in the form of a drag maybe maybe a spirit
that Avatard a dragon that Eve might have been familiar with,
because they might not have been afraid of dragons, and
they might have been beautiful creatures at the time. And
like your book implies that covering was taken from the
skin of some beast, right because that beast now had
to crawl on its belly at some point and eat
the dust of the ground. And so I relate that
to the blood and the spirit, because I think of
the idea that there's this possibility that because the fallen
sons of God chose this to be their realm, now
they left their first estate to this realm, perhaps they
don't have the kind of energy or power from their
father just naturally anymore. They've separated themselves from them. And
we eat things that come from the ground, because we
come from the ground potatoes, carrots, you know, and other
things they eat from it, right, cows, pigs, bacon, whatever.
And perhaps their only way of sustaining themselves is by
feeding on us and our blood, because our life work,
because our spirit, life force is in our blood. And
maybe that's what you'll eat. The dust of the earth
is maybe implying, I mean, I'm conjecturing, of course, because
there's I don't think you can prove that, but I
always just thought it was an.
Speaker 1: We're from the dust of the ground. You know, Adam
was made from that. That's what I've always thought like
he would always prey upon and try to devour humanity,
because it says in Roman studios says, you know, be sober,
be vigil your adversary. The devil is like a roaring lion.
He walked with about seeking whom he may devour.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And it could be where all of these things
stem from the blood stuff they needed to reconstitute somehow
over time, and so they do feed on us. You know,
maybe that's why we have three hundred thousand plus missing
children in America alone from across the border. Could very
well be that that that's what happens. I don't know.
All I know is every culture writes about it, so
there's got to be something to it. When I hear
of the you know, sons of Dust, which I you know,
that's part of the lyrics and some of the songs,
I am directly referencing the idea that they probably do
feed on our life force and that way to stay alive.
And we know that their offspring and Ephelm and the
Raphaeim and some of these others all had a thirst
for that as well. At some point they ate everything
we could create for them, and perhaps even with you know,
some people believe that the pyramids were also designed to
be able to create fertilizers for growing massive amounts of crops. Well,
apparently that wasn't enough to feed, you know, the giants,
and so they began to feed upon us, on one another,
and that it may just be that craving. Maybe they
maybe their hunger couldn't be satiated by the things of
this earth, because they did need blood to be able
to survive in some way, shape or form, because of
their parentage. That's just one thought I had it. I
don't directly, like obviously put that in my lyrics, but
you know, yes it's there. If you study the words
and the story, you're going to be like, oh, yeah, okay,
he's talking about feeding on the sums of dust there,
you know that that kind of thing. So I try
to keep that in there and anyway that is to
move on from Pilgrim's Gray and all of those things
that musically and book writing and all of these things
converged into this album. And a lot of people think
I chose eleven Zis because of the hobbit breakfast, you
know routine, and it is kind of a play on that,
but it's mostly just because I was born on November eleventh,
and I just I just thought it would be a
cool thing to call the album, put eleven songs on
it and whatever. I promise you. I'm not a Mason
or anything like that. And uh, I'm sure it's.
Speaker 3: Opposition.
Speaker 2: I'll get accused of it by somebody at some point.
Maybe I don't know. I'm just a regular Joe blow
like anybody else. And but I put that story together
based off all of those ideas, and I try to
take it from you know, the be the beginning tracks
to the final track and tell a story all throughout
it which needs to be listened to in stereo. Don't
just put your one earbut in because you're going to
miss Easter eggs. There's crazy stuff going on left right,
Uh you know, so you want to have both earbuds
in or like I got eight inch studio monitors in here,
someone ill thump it. It makes my windows rattle, But.
Speaker 1: It's You're not that old, are you?
Speaker 2: No? Not? Besides, I love that thump in the chest,
you know, even even like when I'm playing. Sometimes I
like to turn on the four twelve and the fifty
one fifty over there just to hear the thump of
the string when you know my wife's not home or whatever,
all the dogs go running out into the backyard to
avoid it. Yeah, and so again it culminated in this
concept album where I tell a story starting in the
antediluvian world with you know, even Doug van Dorn when
I sent him this stuff, his first thought and this
was so cool to me that he said this the
initial part of the story reminded him of the Necromancer
by Rush, And my first thought was, Okay, it is
so cool that Doug van door and even could make
that reference and knows you know, that level of music,
which I just I love it when people can do that,
like their first thought is something that most people wouldn't
know about and relate it to something that interesting like
the Neckermancer by Rush and.
Speaker 1: A band that had a heavy influence on you.
Speaker 2: Yea, yes, yeah, I love Rush. I basically love anything
that's kind of a progressive metal band. I like Tool, Rush,
Cha Belle, some other un her bands like Daydrik, which
is they got a female singer. I don't always like
her screaming vocals, but man, she has an incredible voice.
And they write about stuff from the video game Skyrim.
That's the band named Daydrik, and just anything that's really
interesting and thought provoking to me. Like I love everything
Tool did from Laterala Song and especially ten Thousand Days
and their most recent Fear and Oculum. I think they're
really great albums. Descending is one of my favorite tracks
of all time. It's a good song, but all of
that stuff. You know, My wife from she first listened
to the album when I finished it, even though she'd
heard bits and pieces of it over time. When she
first listened to it, she was like, well, there's only
one or two songs on there that sound like Tool
on it. And I was like, well, that's because I have,
you know, this is like a stupod of influence. There's
you know, you're going to get mortgagh and I don't
want to sound like anyone artists, I don't, you know.
I mean there's times where I feel like I want
this to sound a certain way, and maybe I want
the vocal to sound kind of like a telephone vocal
where the EQ on the vocal is very narrow, And
then I wanted to widen up during the chorus or something,
you know, like oftentimes Maynard Keenan does on some of
his stuff, but that doesn't want to. I don't want
to be like a replica of some of their band
I want I want my influence to come through. And
that's just one of my influences. So I don't think
anybody will be able to say, oh, he totally ripped
off tool good because you listen to the tracks and
I aside from a couple of vocals here and there,
I don't think it sounds anything like to them. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing is like some people, I mean
are like really die hard fans, you know, of certain
bands and things like that. It's like I've even had
people uh say to me, you know, it's like, ah,
you're you're a blurry creature copycat, you know, or you're
uh Tony Merkel confessional rip offer and it's like, guys,
come on the course. I mean, those guys definitely have
some influences and stuff. But it's like, you know, just
because somebody does a certain thing first doesn't mean they
own that thing. We can take that thing that we
love so much that they done and put our spin
in our flavor to it, you know, and that that's
the thing. It's uh, you see it in music, you
see it in writing. I mean it's in everything. We
all have our influences, and uh it's who the innovative
ones that take those things and uh grow them and
marinate them and put their own flavor to it.
Speaker 2: You make it your own, Yeah, just like any good
cover of a song, Like if you really are like
copying an artist song, any good cover of a song
is going to make it that artist's song. You're going
to put your own spin one, you know, your own whatever.
And in the case of your particular program, I don't.
I would never have thought to connect you with blurry
creatures or whatever. I mean, everybody talks about these different subjects,
but I feel like they have their own foundational filter
through which they put everything through. Like in my case,
it's kind of the seed war and what's going on
behind the scenes. In the case of the Blurry Boys,
it was initially all these strange creatures behind all of
this world, starting with Bigfoot on and it just you know,
you start with that basic foundation and it's just going
to naturally lead off into other incredibly bizarre things like
when Laura's messengers started talking about the Nephelm finances from
the World to be, you know, modern day debt based
slavery system under central banks. I don't know if you've
read that book, but it's Reserve. Yeah, I mean, that's
that is that's amazing to me. It's one of the
things that influenced the idea that what's going on.
Speaker 1: I'm not far from Jackal Island either. I'm riding in
the far eastern tip of East Tennessee.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Me and my family went to Tybee Island off the
coast of Savannah, Georgia many summers. That's one of our
favorite places to go in. Jackal Island is just a
stone's throat from Tybee. It's next door.
Speaker 2: That's really cool. You're all the Rockefellers secretly sneaked in
under pseudonyms. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's pretty cool. Very cool.
Speaker 1: Far as like the tracks, I know, it's hard to
ask an artist, you know, what was their their favorite
book or their their favorite this or anything, because all
of them are your projects and your babies. Is there
any certain song that you have an affinity for orn? Well,
this is going to a special connection to or.
Speaker 2: This is gonna sound strange. Well, maybe it won't, but
I don't. I don't have necessarily one favorite track. I
have favorite parts of every track. Like in the first track,
it's called the Gray Wanderer, which is an introduction to
the main figure. And I know probably everybody's initial thought
might be this is a Gandalf type figure because it's
called the Gray Wanderer, but that's primarily born out of
the name of the band, Pilgrim's Gray, more than it
is you know, Gandalf. And what I mentioned before about
why I used that particular thing dealing, you know, with
what we discussed earlier. And but this is really, like
I told Doug when we were he was asking me
about the tracks and stuff and the story, and it's
more of an Ezekiel like figure because like in this
opening thing where I'll just read it real quick, if
that's okay. Yeah, it's the beginning of the storyline, which
at some point I'm going to upload to our band
page for purchase if somebody wants to buy the storyline
with all the lyrics and photos and you know, different
liner notes and so on. So the very first part
of it, the first couple of paragraphs, he says, I
do not remember when I was brought here. There was
no voice, no call, only the silent hand. Is something greater,
unseen yet undeniable. I was lifted from dust, weightless, drawn
forward by an unseen force. I did not resist, perhaps
I had no choice. And now I stand before the veil.
It shifts like liquid silver, stretching across the horizon, rippling
with every breath of the unseen. A presence lingers besides me, watching, waiting,
a guide, though I do not know its name. It
says nothing, only gestures towards the threshold. But somehow I
know it means well. And so that when I was
writing that, my point was to kind of emphasize that
he was an Ezekiel like figure, you know, where an
angel takes him to see different visions beyond the veil,
and so immediately he's taken into this realm and shown
what's going on in the antediluvian world. I never really
hint at what era the gray Wanderer is from, and
I don't want to. I just I want to leave
some of the imagination in the listener's mind, let them
decide for themselves certain things. You know, it's really up
to them, and so the Gray Wanderer is that first
song introduces him as a character and discusses, you know,
what he's experiencing from his viewpoint, and even references himself, like,
you know, towards the end where he says, I am
the Gray and I see them all, you know, referencing
these sons of God and what they're up to, you know,
and also talking about himself not being basically being a
neutral observer, just seeing maybe like Enoch, what what is
going on here? What sort of yeah, exactly, because I
don't think all the Watchers were evil. I think some
of them were, and you know, like us as human beings,
found women to be, you know, rather hot, you know,
and they wanted to come down. And I agree with
Tim Albert, you know, and Joe Mitamale that some combination
of marriage and rape took place, Like I think maybe
initially they went for the marriage idea to steal our birthright,
which is another concept in the album. They were really
looking to replace our birthright given to us by God,
as planet belongs to us and we cede it to
them by our permission, which gosh it. So these themes
run through every song to some degree because in the
song as above so below that's talked about the kind
of the rules of heaven and the beings that came
down and left their first estate. Well, they wanted to
make this their home, and so they built I believe,
similar things to what they left in heaven. Pyramids, mountain
like structures, free energy type devices, all these things that
they had in their own home realm. They either built
here or used us as slave labor and showed us
how to build here, and you know whatever. And it
wanted to appear as beings of light and you know,
receive our worship and also eat us. So and you know,
and it's not just the Biblical narrative. Every culture discusses
this very comers. They call them different gods, different names.
This story is slightly different. You know. For instance, you
got the Samerians who talk about how they genetically altered
some thing to create as slaves. Maybe they're sort of right,
There might be some truth to that account, because, like you,
I like reading the biblical account and filtering all the
other accounts against that, because I believe the Biblical account
is the straight line and the other ones have crookedness
to it. And so I think part of the crookedness
of the Samerian account is that they probably did take
humans and alter them to be slaves, and maybe that's
one of the reasons that over time, genetically humans decided
because of this, maybe willing, you know, because maybe there
was some advantage by being changed by these beings. I'm
sure they made it appealing.
Speaker 1: Like maybe you faster.
Speaker 2: Or smarter, and so maybe the payoff was that all
your thoughts and your deeds became evil continually towards the
end there as as things progressed. You know, we know
that at some point there's one family that seemed to
walk in God's ways and be genetically pure, because I
think it's both. I know Somedden would argue, well, that
only means that Noah was behaved. Well, I don't think so.
I don't think that's why you keep track of all
of your.
Speaker 1: White genealogies and even the Hebrew. The Hebrew, I mean,
go back to the original language. It says that that
word righteous, you know, is to mem and that's the
same word used in describing the purity of the blood
of the animals in the sacrificial system. That was a
requirement they had to be to mim.
Speaker 2: And so that's why I believe it was both that
he did walk with God, you know, and that he
was he and his family, all his family and his
bloodline were all genetically pure. That's why you keep track
of such a record. We would think in our day
and age, you know, my bother, But if you lived
in a world where virtually all of humanity could not
be trusted, and you know, where their thoughts were evil continually,
I would keep track of my lineage because these people
were clearly offering themselves to these sons of God in
ways where they were being changed. It's not normal for
humans to only think evil continually all the time. You know,
there's a reason that weird passage is there. He says,
if it's weird, it's important.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And if the is not, you know, it talks
about it in Genesis, says plainly that you know, Eve
would have a seed and it would be you know, cursed,
and the serpent would have a seed and it would
be cursed. And then you get all these you know
what we think is just boring. You know, who begat?
Who begat? Who gat? And you clearly see that divide
in the road, and these two lineage, you know, branches
coming off this tree, and what's the point of keeping
up with all that stuff if there wasn't two lines?
Speaker 2: You know, I totally agree with you. And the same
behind the Nephelim offspring and the raphaim and the Amalekites
and all these heights, that they don't have a lineage
that traces back to the Gothic line anymore. At some
point you can see where theirs is gone, and it's uh,
you know, I can't remember how Gary Wayne puts it,
but if you're familiar with Gary Wayne's work, he points
out that all of these tribes of giants don't really
have a founding father, so to speak, except maybe it
could be traced back to Caine, Tubulcane or Cane.
Speaker 1: That's what the Theophics do, you know, all these you know,
the I I think I pronounced that right, the Theophicists
and all these you know, blue bloods and ruling class
and stuff. In his book The Genesis Sis Conspiracy talks
about they all talk about this dragon court and they
keep up with the purity of the blood of their bloodline,
and they go all the way back to Caine in
the garden, and uh, that's why you had all these
royal families, uh, intermarrying and marrying their sister and breeding
with their sister and things like that. But over time
they got to see all the genetic defects.
Speaker 2: Occasionally only occasionally go out of the bloodline, but even
when they went out of their own bloodline, I think
they would take somebody in who was different enough. Princess Diana,
you know, that kind of figure, that that kind of
thing going. They brought her in, but she was still
sort of of one of those lines, but different enough
to where they weren't going to have genetic issues that
were overly problematic. But anyway, for those who like instrumental tracks,
we have those two in that PDF book I told
you about. You won't be bored if you have the
PDF book and the song is playing like a track
number two, The Veil in the Valley of the Shadow
of Death. It's an instrumental it's heavily dubstep oriented because
I like heavy dubstep music. It's another influence of mine,
and I have a son that likes him, so I
included a track for him that's even more heavily dubstep influenced.
In my dubstep. I don't mean more towards the ed
M side of things. This is I guess it would
be more like bro step, the heavier guitar laden stuff.
But in the book, as the music's playing, I have
a story to read so that there is unity and
flow throughout the album. So you can see, well, okay,
here's an instrumental. How am I supposed to know what's
going on with the story with that? Well, there's a story.
You can literally read the story of what's going on
that fits the mood of not only fits the mood
of what you're hearing musically, but it also continues the
story on so that it merges up within the next track.
And it's not I wouldn't. It's not like you're reading
a novel here. This is more like a well you've
seen it. It's it's more like you'd be reading a
long comic book. You know everything. It's not that you're
not going to be like, oh my gosh, I can't
read five hundred pages or the.
Speaker 1: Stuff word salad help me?
Speaker 2: Or what's that acronym TLDR too long and didn't read
or whatever, And so this will be I think you'll
be interested enough in the music. If you're if you
have some alone time to be able to put on
a good set of headphones or a good set of
monitors and just read the story while you're listening, I
think you'll get a lot out of it. One of
my points of even writing all of this was to
red pill people. I know most of your audience probably
doesn't need to be red pilled. Maybe you'll find some
things in this music that you hadn't thought of before,
or hadn't considered before, or hadn't put certain dots together before.
But you might have friends that like heavier music and
like storytelling, and this would be you know, because we
all like to talk about these things and we're concerned
about these issues. But then, you know, a lot of
people ask, because I've had emails from people from my podcast,
they'll email, email you and they'll they'll say things, well,
what are we supposed to do about this? What do
we do? I mean, I get what you're saying, and
I believe what you're saying is true. Well what do
I do? And I'm like, well tell others. You know,
you don't have to be super smart. In fact, if
you're raging moron and can't do anything else. You could
always share something from somebody else, you know, like share
the album if you if you if you want to
red pill somebody without being obvious about it, just say, man,
you got to check out this story album. It's music
is fricken great, and it tells us a great story
from beginning to end. That friend is gonna at some
point hear those lyrics, read their lyrics, you know, and
all that, and it's you know, it's going to red
pill them.
Speaker 1: It's planting sieves. Man. Yeah, you listen to it in
your car or we got you buddies. You're going out
to your guys, not out to the bar or pool
how whatever, how you man check this out and turn
it on and be like, oh dude, that's bad ass.
Speaker 2: Who is that?
Speaker 1: You know? I mean, that's what it's all about, and.
Speaker 2: That's how you do it. That's honestly, guys, Really, if
you've ever wanted to you know, I mean, nobody here
is saying start your own podcast or write a novel,
But you can do something as simple as you know,
liking Justin's podcast or mine, supporting us through what we do.
Even if and when I say that, I'm not talking
monetarily necessarily if you just send a word of encouragement,
because trust me, we get hate mail, and it's great
to also get some mail that says, oh man, what
you're doing is awesome. Please keep up the good work. Yeah,
And so you wouldn't believe how encouraging that is, because
I don't know about Justin. I think he's in the
same boat I am, But we probably we work full
time jobs and we still find time to do this
that we love where we're wanting to share this with people,
whether it's do music or podcasts or both or whatever
it's at. I feel like this is what God has
kind of called us to do in our own sort
of you know, profit sort of way or whatever you
want to call it. Or watchmen on the Wall or
you know, we're on the tower with our megaphone holding
our torches high saying hey, hey, yeah, you know, it's
not just humans. There's stuff going on behind here you
need to be paying attention to and pray, you know, yeah,
because I don't think we have huge amounts of time left.
Speaker 1: So sorry. That's the thing, is the whole sharing, you
know what I mean, Just the encouragements, you know, is
nice and things like that. But yeah, there's plenty of
things you can do for the people that you consume
their content, their music or their writings that is way, way,
way more useful than money. You know, I know everybody's
not got money. You know, times are hard right now,
but yeah, hitting that like button and sharing it with
you with your friends and your co workers and he's like,
hey man, check this out. This is pretty cool. You know,
things like that. That's what helped helps to.
Speaker 2: Fire absolutely because that's you know again you ask, well,
what can I do? I don't have a podcast, I
don't have music talent, share podcasts, share a song, share
an album, or if you want us to be able
to have time to do more content, then buy us
a cup of coffee. Through our like a lot of
YouTube things that are content creators, including mine, you can
hit the thank you button on there and send two
dollars and believe me, it helps. Or subscribe. I don't
have a subscription thing that's a paid subscriber account because
I don't feel like I have enough followers or listeners
to be able to do something like that or you know,
unique enough content and maybe someday I'll do that. But
like justin does. In fact, I'm planning on joining his
Q and A thing, you know, and doing the monthly
thing because it's.
Speaker 1: A hey, we've got Ala mar Zuli on the twenty
eighth man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he and I think a lot of Like, I've
never talked with La Marzuli, but I follow his stuff,
and you know, we're all the priests. We're you know,
pre tribed, pre millennial pre I know, not everybody has.
I know, Doug is, and that's fine.
Speaker 1: I'm a pre pan, a pre pan.
Speaker 3: Yeah what is pan?
Speaker 1: I already know beforehand that it's all going to pan out.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's great, that's great. Yeah, me too. That's
why I don't worry so much about this stuff. Now.
Thing's ever occurred to God. This is all in his
hands and he knows, and he shares it with us
so we can warn other people. He's not going to
do anything without sending his profits to warn you of
what's coming. He's done it in his word. But he
also in that generation will send people through podcasts, through music,
through writing and warn you of what's coming before he moves.
He always does, and I think he also with the
whole as above so below, I think he requires it
of the little g sums of God too. They may
not like it, and I think they do their little,
you know, subversive ways of saying. Look, I told them God,
you know, through through a movie or whatever. That's on
them if they don't believe it and they think it's
just entertainment, but we told them, you know, so they
have to do it too. And that's why you have
predicted programming, you know, that's why it's out there is
I think they have to warn you what they're up
to too, and.
Speaker 1: It's rules of engagement.
Speaker 2: Yep, rules of engagement, that's right, And I think if
they don't follow it, they're screwed. They're you know. I
think that's why, Like when the demons possessing people in
the New Testament, when they saw that it was the
son of God, they were like, you know, oh crap,
you know, and.
Speaker 1: They know the time or they know the roundabout time.
Are you kind of our time?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Exactly. I'm sure they were sweating it, like, are
you planning on sending me away? Forever? I won't have
any freedom? And if I was one of them, that
would be the worst thing ever, right, So you wouldn't
want to you would if I was the enemy, I
would always be hanging around low hanging fruit. They didn't
know nothing about Jesus because I as soon as that
name is in that person's mouth, you run the risk
of somebody saying, you know, release me from all this,
Lord Jesus, and save me, you know, and then you're
either going to have to find a new host or
you're under lock up because at that point that person's
an ambassador for Christ here on this planet, and he
protects us. Yeah. No vacancy, that's right, no vacancy.
Speaker 1: And I think that's why a lot of people are
leaning towards this whole AI thing and kind of you know,
freaked out and scared about it. And rightfully so that
interview that's been you know, blown up to high heaven,
and I'm glad because it needs to. But it was
Jordan Peterson interviewing Elon Musk and he was talking about
that that new supercomputer AI down in Memphis, and he said, yeah, Memphis,
you know the place in Egypt where he said where
all the gods came from? He said, who knows this
be where our new god comes from? And Jordan Peterson's like, uh, yeah,
I wish that was funny because he knows, I mean,
he knows it's the truth. And like you said, they
got to tell you beforehand. And if you're a disembodied spirit,
you know, you probably get tired of jumping from host
to host when you get kicked out. I mean, it's
going to be a lot easier for you if you
can inhabit to an artificial intelligence, because you never have
to worry about being cast out of that thing.
Speaker 2: That's right. And none of these things these people say
are scripted, folks, if they're saying it, or it is
somewhat scripted, I mean to say, when they say things
like that, it's not just some you know, casual conversation
and oh it just came up blah blah blah. Everything
they do, every symbol they designed for their corporations, every
slogan they come up with, everything they put in the movie,
it's all on purpose. It's not by chance. You know,
they want you to think it is, but it isn't.
It's you know. And so nowadays when a man and
I watch like a movie or whatever on Netflix or whatever,
they're like, oh, did you see the name of it?
You see the number on that door? Three f you know,
there's a reason they put three F. It's a three
and F is six. There's three six is right there
on that door. That's you know, people might think we're
looning for thinking. So they could have put any combination
of numbers and letters on that door. They put three F,
or they'll have a license plate or some room number
thirty three, or you know, because they love to communicate
to one another through numbers and symbols. And when you
start to figure out what those numbers and symbols are,
and you are awake from listening to podcasts like this
or mine, or listening to the album, you begin to
figure these things out and you can't go back to
watching and listening to things anymore. It's like you're being deprogrammed.
You've you're no longer plug ins by media. Yeah, you've
been like exactly, like a spiritually unplugging of the matrix.
They're no longer putting their version of what they want
you to think and to be in their narrative absorbed
into your brain and your soul. You unplug from that
and you'll start thinking for yourself and then realize, oh
my gosh, I have been suckered, you know, and then
you won't be able to watch. And I hate to
say it, but watch.
Speaker 1: Anyway that ruins.
Speaker 2: It's still entertaining, but you'll begin to see things that
you want paying attention to before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, movies are no longer just entertainment. They're entertainment and
they're like treasure hunts because you're sitting there like, Okay,
I wonder what I'm going to find in this one,
you know, and you're costly piusing and looking over at
your old lady or your buddies and look, did you
see that? Did you see that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? We did that this the other night. Something came
on some show we were watching, and I was on
the couch and a man it was to my left,
and as soon as it happened, we looked at each
other and like, oh my gosh, could that be more obvious?
What the heck? You know? Yeah, it's ridiculous, you know.
And anyway, it's that is what I definitely try to
push on the album. I want you, I want you
all to hear a story and wake you up, because
sometimes it takes a work of fiction. Maybe not for
you and you're kind of listening audience, but for some
of your friends. Sometimes these kinds of hard to absorb
and accept truths are best presented to you, and something
that appears to be fiction but isn't because.
Speaker 1: You're relaxed, your guard is down, and you're allowed to,
you know, entertain things that may not be rational, you know,
quote unquote.
Speaker 2: That's why I presented it this way and this reason
I'm writing the book. I'm writing the little novel I
say nit and little I've got like I twenty one
or twenty four chapters that are in various stages of completion.
Some have one paragraph, some are completed. Maybe I'll try
to send you a copy sometime in the next couple
of months. You can read a couple of chapters of
it and you're, you know, since you have plenty of
time in your life, right, I mean just kidding. I
know you're super busy, but I will send you a
copy of it so you can check it out or whatever. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: Anyway, for those who think that some of these songs,
this is one thing that Doug and I discussed as
a Christian. I like all genres of music. I like
like the last song on the album is more of
an Irish feeling song with our singer, our female singer
singing kind of a just a calm, irish song. I
play guitar in it, just a little bit, but it's
mostly like synth and ambiance, and she sings a solo
in it. And I put that in there as kind
of a prequel ending because it's called in the Beginning,
and it's just a song about how things were and
we're meant to be at first and we ruined it
and in the beginning it wasn't always this way, you
know it, And anyway, it's been some people's favorite track,
which has astonished me because I thought it would be
the least favorite, because most people seem to gravitate in
my world towards heavier music, but this is a very calm,
calm track, and anyway, something different it is. The recording
process is interesting because we were all in different places,
Like my brother had to record. He's got a piece
on here that's just all him. He did all the keyboards,
the synthesizers, and it's a just a calm piano piece
and other instrumental and it's a song called Resigned, and
it comes after a couple of songs that have to
deal with things beginning to get crazy. Shay, our female vocalist.
She sings this song about them living among us, and
then you have track five, which is that dubstep song
I was talking about that it's more double oriented and
it was primarily for one of my sons, and it
only says bring us down twice. It shouts it kind
of screams it, and it's meant to be the fallen
Launchers wanting to get past the veil, this protective barrier
or restrainer of lawlessness. They want to fully be able
to do what they want when they want, you know,
the whole Alistair Crowley thing out. You know, we want
to do as we will, and so they scream it
at the beginning of the song, well actually about thirty
seconds in, and then it's just mayhem until the end
where it changes to a more positive key because we're
transitioning into the next song, which is Taken to the Skies,
which is I know not everybody agrees that there'll be
a rapture or changing of bodies or whatever, but I do.
And so we wrote about it, and I want it.
With all of these songs, I wanted to write about
it in such a way that you didn't know necessarily
what I was talking about, like, I don't ever mention
the word rapture at any of it. Right in fact,
if you don't mind, I don't know how much time
we have left, but I will read just a portion
of this song starts off. My wife thought it kind
of started off weird because I was trying to get
a clock sound, honestly like TikTok, and I just couldn't
get it to match properly. So I decided just to
use this keyboard loop, you know, at the beginning of it,
and it transitions into some guitar work and then into
this weird Hebrew sounding violin keyboard type sound, and then
the music drops out and you're listening to just the
vocalist harmonizing, and I was kind of going for a
Pink Floyd vibe with the way that some of their
odd harmonies they do. And then the heavy stuff kicks
in again, and then musically we returned back to another theme,
and then it transitions slowly into this major key type
heavy stuff. And I'm going to read just that portion
of it where it talks about the more major key stuff.
And it starts here with Caught in the Surge, a
blinding force form reshaped along its course. Gray eyes watch
the veil recede, flesh to light, a new breed freed,
a crack in the dark, a spiral blaze, light pours
through forgotten days. A trumpet blasts the final sound. The
lost returned, the lost now found. Streams of light through
shattered skies, formless shapes, and the blink of eyes. Golden
arcs consume the air, Transformed bodies rising there beyond the veil.
The silent stand witness to the shift of man, the
gray wanderer, bound to see, in one breath eternity. And
then the song ends out. Now you and I might
pick up on the real quick that that's a reference.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, silence of Heaven to everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But now another person he's not familiar with any
of that, me, like, what the hell is this guy
talking about?
Speaker 1: You may get an atheist, you know, I mean, banging
his head and singing along with the lyrics, not even
realizing you know that he's right, but some Bible stuff.
Speaker 2: At some point he might come across that seed, you know,
somebody planning a seed about something and be like, oh
my gosh, I think this song was about the rapture
experience people being caught up into the sky and change
in the blink of an eye. You know. I try
not to make it too obvious, and part of that
is I want you to be able to share it
with people who you know, may may be on the fence,
or maybe I don't necessarily care about this stuff. They
just like heavy music.
Speaker 1: It's good apologetics. I mean, it really is. Because anybody
knows somebody standing over the top of you telling you
how it is. You may have all the answers, but
that person's going to reject it because how you're delivering
the message. So it's like if you ask questions and
just kind of nonchalantly look over this way to get
them to look. People are only going to accept something
if they think it's their idea.
Speaker 2: That's that is true. And almost every case, yeah people,
I mean eye persol when somebody says, well you can't do.
Speaker 1: That, or you know, watch me, that's.
Speaker 2: Wat you know, Oh I can't, I can't to produce
this album myself, Okay, well watch me do it. Just
things like that, and I know most people are wired
that way, and that's why I wanted to put something
out there where you know, you all could share something
with somebody and not be too worried about them, figuring, oh, well,
this is just you know, this is just a Christian whatever,
because it's it's definitely not going to sound like Christian music.
That's one of the things Doug Van Door and I
talked about is you know this, you know so many
but we were talking about it from the Christian perspective,
where many Christian artists or Christian people will just poop
on this kind of music because it's too heavy or whatever.
And I think that's a shame you miss. Look like
Doug said, hey.
Speaker 1: And that's all good because I mean, honestly, those aren't
the people you're trying to reach.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right. And Doug has said something I thought
was really a great observation.
Speaker 1: And you know, doctors don't do good, you know out
on the beach where everybody's healthy, happy hole, doctors do
well with the sick people.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right. And God is the author of music,
not the uses, not the little g whatevers. I know
they want to influence us in ways that you know,
can ruin us or whatever, but God is the one
who is light and music, and so just like any
tool that is given to us. It's gray in your
hand until you push it for the light direction or dark.
Just like you're given a walk here like a pilgrim,
like Pilgrim's gray. You're one of the tools you're given
is your walk here. And you're either going to become
from gray to more light or you're going to go
from gray to darker with every step you take, with
every thought you think, with everything you say, and your
life bumps into other people. So your influence you're either go.
So they're what you're doing going to be pushing people
in one of those two directions. Also, And so what
you know, what I'm doing here, and what Justin does too,
is we're trying to help you on your pilgrims journey
in the white direction. You know you don't amen to
do it, but you know we're just trying to. You know,
we're holding a torch out in front of you and
trying to lead you in the right direction.
Speaker 1: So yeah, amen, Well, dude, I think that's a good
good note to end on right there before we go. Uh,
if you guys have liked this conversation, and if you've
liked any of the music that you've heard playing in
the background of this episode. Here's the author, so be
sure to check out his links and stuff that he's
going to lead you to here, and I will make
sure that they are in the description blow also to
make it easier for you. But Robert, before we go, man,
let everybody know, like websites, where can they find your
music and your read along material that you were talking about,
where can they find all your stuff?
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so we have a band page and it's
just simply Pilgrimscray dot com www dot Pilgrimscray dot com.
And that's Gray spelled with an E on an A
and there's no it's all just lowercase Pilgrims Gray p
I L g R I N s g R e
y dot com. And there you can listen to the tracks,
look at what merchandise we have if you want to
support us in that way or even tip us. Uh,
there's a thing there to you know, Hey, I think
you're awesome. You know, here's spine bucks. Keep making good music,
you know, and it doesn't have to be large amounts.
And we also have our YouTube channel which we can
put in a link, I guess, but if you want
to search for it, it's you will know is the
YouTube channel. I know it doesn't. It's not Pilgrims Gray
or anything like that, but that's because I got so
many subscribers under that moniker and that's why I kept
it there. But I post everything from Pilgrims Gray there.
So the podcast you can find its spreaker and its
streams on every major streaming platform that you can think of.
I'm having issues with Apple right now because I'm caught
in a time or a password to two factored authentication
loop with Apple, so it's on everything but Apple right
now until I get that fixed. So I listen to
most of my stuff on Spotify. We're definitely on Spotify.
Both the album Pilgrim's Gray, the band our album which
is called eleven Z's if you want to search for it.
It's on every streaming platform, Apple Music, iHeart Radio, Spotify,
you name it. And also the podcast every major podcasting
stream it's out there. I only have a few episodes out,
but the one we did on Tartaria I think has
twenty four thousand views now and I've got like, I
think almost four thousand extra subscribers from it, and so
we welcome anybody to come in comment share talk support.
You know, it's so important that when you're listening to
people like Justin or anybody else, you know, we're not
in a vacuum. We we like to hear encouragement too,
because this gets tough, you know, coming up with info
and making sure it's solid while you're working a full
time job and doing all the other things like he
you know, Justin's writing a book or finished just finished
writing a book, you know, the Chronicles of Esau. I
think that's what it's called. NOD has to do with Esong,
but in anyway, it's it's going to be a great close, yeah,
like the epic a gilgamensionally with Esong and which I'm
sure that's probably what you had in mind, and that's great.
But that's that's all we've got out there is we
have the band Pilgrim's Great. We have the podcast The
pilgrims Great Chronicles, two episodes a week Monday at eight
am Central Standard Time, Friday night at eight pm. It's
a shorter one, just the top three stories of the week,
and visit the YouTube channel anytime. I'm also on x
as you will know, or Twitter or whatever you want
to call it, and we'll just I'll send justin the
links to make it easier so you can just click
on it if that's okay. And yeah, that's it. So
check it all out and rock out with us and
learn the words, learn the story, and have fun and
share it with your friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, we have a lot of fun doing it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, Robert, Man, I appreciate the conversation, sit down, hanging
out with me, taking out time. I know, time is
life's most valuable resource. That's the one thing we can't
get enough of or any more of. So I appreciate
you taking time out to come talk to me and
share some of your your nuggets that you found with us.
Speaker 2: And well, the next time you're in southern Middle Tennessee,
we'll go do lunch or something.
Speaker 1: Oh definitely. This summer, I'm definitely I'm hitting some of
these ancient North American sites and mounds and stuff pretty hard.
I'll be doing a lot of filming this summer, so
I plan coming out that way actually check out some
of the mounds out there in Middle Tennessee.
Speaker 2: Man, you have a hood old stone for it. Yeah, definitely,
I'll come walk it with you.
Speaker 1: A right, man, it's a date yes, thank you Jin guys.
Hope you enjoyed that. Be sure check out robert stuff.
Like I said, all the links will be down below
to make it easier for you and Hey guys, As always,
the difference between the known and the unknown is what Robert.
Speaker 2: The journey baby. Let those torches high.
Speaker 1: Good journey guys,