Speaker 1: This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
Speaker 1: AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app. Whatever's going on in the world
Speaker 1: just seems to be picking up speed every single day incrementally,
Speaker 1: but it's not getting slower anytime soon.
Speaker 2: We have a lot going on.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about the weather back east, the new polar
Speaker 1: vortex that's coming through. We have more information about the
Speaker 1: United States sitting down with Russia in Riodd Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 1: We'll hear from Secretary of State Marco Rubio. There's a
Speaker 1: lot going on with Doge again. And an interesting character
Speaker 1: has popped up in the court battles against the Department
Speaker 1: of Government Efficiency. It's a name that you've heard before,
Speaker 1: and in fact, she was on. She was very anti
Speaker 1: Trump at one point and may actually make a ruling
Speaker 1: in favor of the Trump administration this time.
Speaker 2: So that's all going on.
Speaker 1: Schools at LA Unified return to classes today with no phones.
Speaker 1: Today's the first day of the no phone policy. The
Speaker 1: Governor of New York may kick out the Mayor of
Speaker 1: New York City. We're spying on the drug cartels with drones.
Speaker 2: All of that.
Speaker 1: Stuff is going on. Pardon me one second. Shannon's out.
Speaker 1: She's taking care of some family stuff. But she will
Speaker 1: be back. We will think of her in her absence.
Speaker 1: But she's taken care of some family stuff. So that's
Speaker 1: where she is. If you must know, there is a
Speaker 1: story that is bubbling up, and I think we're gonna
Speaker 1: have to do a much deeper dive into it tomorrow
Speaker 1: and we get some more information. But you remember the
Speaker 1: story in Vermont on January twentieth, on Inauguration Day, there
Speaker 1: was a border patrol agent who stopped a vehicle that
Speaker 1: was carrying a couple of people and the Border patrol
Speaker 1: agent was shot and killed. Well, that started an investigation
Speaker 1: into this very weird group and it's called Zizzia, and
Speaker 1: they're describing this as a.
Speaker 2: Vegan, gender bending cult.
Speaker 1: Basically centered in many different places around the country. Had
Speaker 1: some time here in California, then in North Carolina. They've
Speaker 1: got footprints in Pennsylvania and Vermont, and it is the
Speaker 1: strangest thing I've seen in a long time. All of
Speaker 1: this is apparently surrounding the leader of this very strange
Speaker 1: cult called Ziz and the people who follow Ziz call
Speaker 1: themselves Zizians. Zizz was born a man and now goes
Speaker 1: by Zizz. Jack Lesota moved to the Bay Area after
Speaker 1: he got a computer science degree from the University of
Speaker 1: Alaska Fairbanks. In twenty thirteen, he interned at NASA. NASA
Speaker 1: hasn't responded, they're not saying anything about this. But in
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, Ziz began publishing this rambling blog describing a
Speaker 1: theory that the two hemispheres of the brain could hold
Speaker 1: separate values and genders and often desire to kill each other.
Speaker 1: And Jack was going by the name Ziz was using.
Speaker 1: She her pronouns in the writings and claims to be
Speaker 1: a transgender woman, a woman rallies against enemies so called
Speaker 1: nationalist groups. She is concerned about the potential dangers of
Speaker 1: artificial intelligence. She wants to understand human cognition through reason
Speaker 1: and knowledge, and then starts promoting this very weird mix
Speaker 1: of rationalism, of ethical, veganism, anarchism, all of the isms,
Speaker 1: and that seems to resonate with some of the people online.
Speaker 1: So in November of twenty nineteen, Ziz or back then
Speaker 1: Jack Lesoda arrested with a bunch of other people outside
Speaker 1: of protest in a protest outside of Northern California Retreat Center,
Speaker 1: a SWAT team had to come in. The mask wearing
Speaker 1: group was blocking the exit, handing out flyers railing against
Speaker 1: the organization. In autumn of twenty two. A few years later,
Speaker 1: Ziz had moved with other group members into vans and
Speaker 1: box trucks on a property in Vallejo. They got into
Speaker 1: a fight with the landlord because they weren't paying rent,
Speaker 1: blinded the guy. He ended up shooting and killing one
Speaker 1: of them. A few months later, a couple shot and
Speaker 1: killed in Pennsylvania, and Ziz was believed to be part
Speaker 1: of the group that went in and killed this couple.
Speaker 1: Six months later, released on bail, but stopped showing up
Speaker 1: for court. Remember the landlord here in California that was
Speaker 1: got in a fight with him. He shows up dead,
Speaker 1: despite the fact that he his case was already determined
Speaker 1: to be self defense. A couple other people that would
Speaker 1: started to fight with the ones who were going to
Speaker 1: go on trial.
Speaker 2: He ends up dead. His throat was slashed.
Speaker 1: January, the Border Patrol agent stops a vehicle carrying two
Speaker 1: people connected.
Speaker 2: To this Ziz group.
Speaker 1: The Teresa Young Blute was driving the car with a gun,
Speaker 1: and authority said she got out and just started shooting
Speaker 1: a passenger. A guy named Felix was a German national
Speaker 1: also listed in court documents as Ophelia died along with
Speaker 1: the Border Patrol agent David malland authorities found a ballistic helmet,
Speaker 1: night vision goggles, respirators, and they're saying that this group,
Speaker 1: this Zizzian group, is this weird radical cult like uber
Speaker 1: vegan but also gender non conforming cult that is now
Speaker 1: using violence to get its message across. And its message
Speaker 1: is I have no idea what its message is radical veganism. This,
Speaker 1: I mean, this stretches from from coast to coast. I
Speaker 1: just stumbled upon this story late last night. I saw
Speaker 1: some of this reporting from CBS News today. So tomorrow
Speaker 1: we're going to spend a lot more time on this
Speaker 1: zizzy And group and try to figure out where this
Speaker 1: Where Jack is Jack that goes by zizz Now, all right, listen,
Speaker 1: there was a crazy plane crash yesterday.
Speaker 2: We all saw the video. If you haven't, it's incredible.
Speaker 1: How does a plane flip over and no one get killed?
Speaker 2: This is an active investigation.
Speaker 3: It's very early on.
Speaker 2: It's really important.
Speaker 4: That we do not speculate. What we can say is
Speaker 4: a runway was dry and there is no cross wind conditions.
Speaker 2: It's not sure that any of that is true.
Speaker 1: We are expecting another update on the emergence on the
Speaker 1: Terraino Toronto plane crash from Emergency If in a moment.
Speaker 1: But we'll hear from a couple of guys who were
Speaker 1: literally hanging upside down on that flight when it crashed.
Speaker 5: Good morning, Gary, Yo, So this week's story for Shannon's
Speaker 5: suspension his family stuff. Last week's story was ruthe canal right,
Speaker 5: wonder what next week's story is. Can it be?
Speaker 2: We'll have to pay attention. We'll have to find yes,
Speaker 2: everybody does.
Speaker 6: Hey, Gary, I'd like you to talk about the Tom
Speaker 6: Hanks' performance on the Saturday Night Live Anniversary show. I mean,
Speaker 6: that is a Platinum, Triple A list celebrity who basically
Speaker 6: flapped over half of America and no one's really talking
Speaker 6: about it, including you. I mean, it really was quite
Speaker 6: an amazing performance there when he was on Jeopardy. I mean,
Speaker 6: I'm just.
Speaker 1: Saying I did talk about it yesterday. I said that
Speaker 1: it was an absolutely stupid misstep on their part. They
Speaker 1: didn't have to do that. In fact, I don't remember
Speaker 1: when he did the character before on Black Jeopardy on
Speaker 1: a Saturday night live skit. I don't remember the Maga hat,
Speaker 1: but it was just it was ridiculous and unnecessary and
Speaker 1: a little shameful from Tom Hanks.
Speaker 2: He can do better than that.
Speaker 1: About eighty people on board flight forty eight to nineteen,
Speaker 1: the Delta flight from Minneapolis to Toronto yesterday when there
Speaker 1: was a plane crash. This thing came in for a
Speaker 1: landing and flipped.
Speaker 2: You just have aper Roger.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're just gooding with the rot se whether they
Speaker 4: wanted to redeploy to the crash light or up.
Speaker 7: There's people outside walking around the aircraft.
Speaker 1: There this little Bombardier plane, this regional jet, the two
Speaker 1: engines on either side of the fuselage in the back
Speaker 1: of the plane hit hard, flipped over and is even
Speaker 1: today right now still upside down on that runway. You
Speaker 1: heard people getting out of the plane, the flight attendants
Speaker 1: that were helping people get out from the upside down airplane.
Speaker 1: I mean, that guy drops a couple f bombs and
Speaker 1: there's a few more actually at the end of his tape.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you don't his name was Peter Kukov.
Speaker 1: If he explains what happened from inside the plane.
Speaker 8: Basically, we hit the ground and kind of just bounced
Speaker 8: up and turned on our side, and we're sliding on
Speaker 8: our side for a while, or honestly not as long
Speaker 8: as I thought we were going to slide for and
Speaker 8: then we ended up upside down and we were yeah,
Speaker 8: we were hanging by our seat belts upside down for
Speaker 8: a second, and then yeah, we made it off safely.
Speaker 8: Everyone everyone is alive, thankfully.
Speaker 2: Yeah. John Nelson was also on the plane.
Speaker 7: There was no warning we were coming in for our landing,
Speaker 7: and when the plane came in, it was we hit
Speaker 7: the runway really hard and like extremely hard, and we
Speaker 7: kind of popped up and it felt like we were
Speaker 7: leaning to the left. It was just incredibly fast. There
Speaker 7: was a giant firewall down the side. I could actually
Speaker 7: feel the heat through the glass. And then we were
Speaker 7: going sideways. I'm not even sure how many times we
Speaker 7: like tumbled, but we ended upside down. I was hanging
Speaker 7: there in my seat belt upside down. Everybody was quiet
Speaker 7: for like a moment or two, and then everybody was
Speaker 7: trying to like scramble to make a sense of what
Speaker 7: just had happened, and so we released the seat belts
Speaker 7: that kind of fell to the floor, which is now
Speaker 7: the ceiling.
Speaker 1: So the video that I've seen taken from a nearby runway,
Speaker 1: sees the airplane coming in and it hits the runway.
Speaker 1: It looks like it's pretty hard lands pretty hard on
Speaker 1: the runway and may have snapped some or all of
Speaker 1: the landing gear. The right wing actually hits the ground
Speaker 1: and breaks off. That's where you see the explosion come
Speaker 1: from the fuel in the wing. Everything explodes when that
Speaker 1: wing disappears on the left side, that wing is still
Speaker 1: trying to lift the airplane. That's why the left wing
Speaker 1: comes up and over and flips this thing onto its back. Amazingly,
Speaker 1: everybody on board survived and as of this morning, almost
Speaker 1: everybody that went to the hospital is out of the hospital.
Speaker 1: They said that there were there was at least one
Speaker 1: adult and we believe one child in critical condition but
Speaker 1: not life threatening, and we just we've got to figure
Speaker 1: out what happened. I told you or I played for you.
Speaker 1: This Canadian Fire official.
Speaker 2: This is an active investigation.
Speaker 4: It's very early on.
Speaker 2: It's really important.
Speaker 4: That we do not speculate what we can say is
Speaker 4: a runway was dry and there is no cross wing conditions.
Speaker 1: It's hard to believe that there were no crosswind conditions.
Speaker 1: I mean, you saw the people getting out of the
Speaker 1: airplane and the fire engines that were there. Even while
Speaker 1: they were spraying water onto to make sure that the
Speaker 1: fire didn't come back, it looked like the water was
Speaker 1: being blown around by the wind. They are supposed to
Speaker 1: clarify this. We've been told that they were going to
Speaker 1: have another briefing on this crash was supposed to start
Speaker 1: about a half an hour ago last count, but they
Speaker 1: haven't started it yet. An air traffic controller told a
Speaker 1: meleical helicopter pilot who offered to help out. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: are people outside walking around the aircraft. It's upside down
Speaker 1: and burning. The Transportation Safety Board of Canada is the
Speaker 1: lead agency on this investigation. Of course NTSB, our agency
Speaker 1: is going to lend a team of American investigators up there.
Speaker 1: This is going to be a problem. Toronto Pierson Airport
Speaker 1: is the busiest airport in Canada. They were already dealing
Speaker 1: with delays and instilations because of the series of winter
Speaker 1: storms that have been coming through. We told you how
Speaker 1: cold it was. They are holding that news conference has
Speaker 1: just started. We'll keep an ear on it and see
Speaker 1: if there's anything new that comes out of it, but
Speaker 1: it is. I think there are five runways there at
Speaker 1: Toronto Pearson. They said that two of them are still
Speaker 1: shut down as a result of this accident. Been listening
Speaker 1: to this news conference out of Canada. Deborah Flint, the
Speaker 1: President and COO of Toronto Pearson International Airport, has been
Speaker 1: describing the recovery efforts the investigation underway now in the
Speaker 1: plane crash yesterday, that Delta Regional jet that crashed on
Speaker 1: landing there at Toronto Pearson International Airport. She hasn't really
Speaker 1: unveiled much new about what happened and has tried to
Speaker 1: keep the speculation to a minimum, so she's not even
Speaker 1: really getting into the conditions on the ground at the time,
Speaker 1: like what the runway looked like, what kind of wind
Speaker 1: conditions were there, But that she did say and kind
Speaker 1: of detailed that there is there had been some weather
Speaker 1: related cancelations and delays for days leading up to yesterday's crash,
Speaker 1: that yesterday actually had cleared up and that they were
Speaker 1: planning on getting their operations back to normal taking advantage
Speaker 1: of the relatively clear weather. So still trying to figure
Speaker 1: out all of that. That round of frigid temperatures is
Speaker 1: dipping into the United States as well. We're talking about
Speaker 1: a lot of the central US and the Ohio Valley.
Speaker 1: We're talking temperatures well below zero, above that, and then
Speaker 1: down below freezing in some areas as far south as Oklahoma. Well,
Speaker 1: Russia and the United States have agreed to start working
Speaker 1: towards ending the war in Ukraine, trying to improve diplomatic
Speaker 1: ties and economic ties. We saw Secretary of State Marco
Speaker 1: Rubio meeting with his counterpart, the Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov
Speaker 1: in Riod, Saudi Arabia. Of course, Ukraine is the big
Speaker 1: issue here, but there are other things that go into
Speaker 1: all of this.
Speaker 2: Joining us talk more about it.
Speaker 1: Lieutenant General Richard Newton, senior National security contributor to News
Speaker 1: Nation in General. What can be done in these talks
Speaker 1: about the conflict in Ukraine if Ukraine is not even
Speaker 1: at the table.
Speaker 3: Well, good morning, Gary, good to be with you. Let's
Speaker 3: back up just a little bit. The purpose of these
Speaker 3: talks and Riod that just concluded. There were two objectives here.
Speaker 3: One is to restore what I call a strategic dialogue
Speaker 3: between the United States and Russia first and foremost, and secondly,
Speaker 3: it was established a process for now ensuing seafire negotiations
Speaker 3: between Russia and Ukraine. And so now that that's I
Speaker 3: think we're off to a good start. I think that's
Speaker 3: been somewhat accomplished. Now you're going to see seafire negotiations
Speaker 3: interest will absolutely include Ukraine, have to include Ukraine as
Speaker 3: well as certainly Russia and the United States. And so
Speaker 3: that's what you're going to see play out here. But
Speaker 3: this is now We're entering a very complicated and very
Speaker 3: intricate process, and we're going to see some you know,
Speaker 3: some some turns and changes and so forth over the
Speaker 3: next several weeks. But you're going to see Ukraine at
Speaker 3: the table at some point.
Speaker 1: One of the issues that has been discussed, at least
Speaker 1: in the last couple of weeks is Ukraine seeding some
Speaker 1: of the territory that Russia has captured, especially since twenty
Speaker 1: fourteen when they went in and took Crimea. If if
Speaker 1: Russia does gain some of that territory that they have
Speaker 1: long claimed is already theirs, does that embolden Vladimir Putin
Speaker 1: to go after Georgia or Moldova or Finland or some
Speaker 1: other bordering country.
Speaker 3: Well, you're referring to You're right, about twenty percent of
Speaker 3: the territory actually goes back to twenty fourteen had been
Speaker 3: seated to Russia, to include not only the eastern part
Speaker 3: of Ukraine the dawn Bass region we've talked about, but
Speaker 3: also to the south in Crimea. What is going to, however,
Speaker 3: deter Plutin is whether or not he retains that territory. Really,
Speaker 3: the main thing that will deter him is the security
Speaker 3: agreement and the security arrangements for Ukraine in any ceasefire
Speaker 3: negotiation and post ceasefire negotiation, that security guarantee first and
Speaker 3: foremost has to come from the front, and that's the
Speaker 3: United States, but also European nations and or NATO North
Speaker 3: Landing Training Organization nations. They've got to really up their game.
Speaker 3: From just most of the nations providing two to three
Speaker 3: percent of their gross cemestry product toward defense, up that
Speaker 3: to about five percent. They've got to increase. I'm talking
Speaker 3: about the thirty one other NATO nations to include the
Speaker 3: United States, would be the thirty Second, they've got to
Speaker 3: increase their defense spending. They've got to also demonstrate military capability,
Speaker 3: but also the will to use that military force. That's
Speaker 3: what's going to deter Putin from ever again thinking about
Speaker 3: invading Ukraine or Georgia or any other perhaps even a
Speaker 3: NATO nation.
Speaker 1: The issue of NATO membership has also been something Ukraine
Speaker 1: has wanted because they want the security guarantee that comes
Speaker 1: with membership. Why would the United States not want to
Speaker 1: include Ukraine as part of NATO.
Speaker 3: I don't think you're going to see that, you know,
Speaker 3: offer up a NATO membership for Ukraine anytime soon. I'm
Speaker 3: starting talking about in the next three to five years,
Speaker 3: or perhaps even longer, because that's going to really put
Speaker 3: an impedent, impediment on a negotiated settlement. But what you
Speaker 3: are going to see is you're going to see I
Speaker 3: believe the United States and I would offer up to
Speaker 3: President Trump to continue to provide weapons to Ukraine for
Speaker 3: the near term. Secondly, I would also strongly advocate for
Speaker 3: and compel European nations to bride military forces as peacekeeping operations,
Speaker 3: perhaps in Ukraine territory, with certainly along the border between
Speaker 3: Ukraine and Russia, perhaps much like you see between North
Speaker 3: Korea and South Korea on the Korean Peninsula. But your
Speaker 3: question really hits on the key point I believe is
Speaker 3: the security guarantees not only to not only for Presidents
Speaker 3: Zelenski and Ukraine, but the security guarantees that, as I mentioned,
Speaker 3: deters Russia from ever thinking about attacking Ukraine again or
Speaker 3: any other European nation there in the continent.
Speaker 1: The other thing this was sort of wild card that
Speaker 1: exists in Ukraine is that they've had to delay their
Speaker 1: elections because obviously they are at war with Russia. When
Speaker 1: we get a negotiated settlement, which appears much more likely
Speaker 1: now than it has in a long time, and they
Speaker 1: go through the election process, does Zelensky stay as President
Speaker 1: of Ukraine.
Speaker 3: Well, that's a great question.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: You know, that's going to be up to the Ukrainian people,
Speaker 3: and the hope is that it'll be through a very
Speaker 3: effective democratic process. For the for the re election, I
Speaker 3: think President Zelensky has done an admirable job as President
Speaker 3: of Ukraine, as a wartime president, a wartime leader, and
Speaker 3: the fact is it'll be up to Ukraine people to
Speaker 3: see if they want to continue his another term for
Speaker 3: him to serve as president. If I were all things
Speaker 3: being equal, I would advocate for Presidents Zelensky to continue
Speaker 3: because of what he's done from a wartime standpoint, but
Speaker 3: also to continue the momentum that he has created politically
Speaker 3: and geopolitically and certainly militarily on the battlefield defending his nation.
Speaker 3: But what's going to transpire internally to Ukraine is one thing.
Speaker 3: But that's where the externals are so important. As you
Speaker 3: and I've already talked about the continued support for Ukraine
Speaker 3: militarily these obviously these these security guarantees, but also the
Speaker 3: political diplomatics that we need to voice our support with
Speaker 3: Presidents Linsky and Ukraine. My final point on that is
Speaker 3: that's why it's so important that Ukraine indeed does participate
Speaker 3: in these peace negotiations, because in my view, it'll probably
Speaker 3: include having deceived some territory, but also there are other
Speaker 3: cards to play against Putin and Russia, Princevily, economic, economic
Speaker 3: sanctions and other things that we can hold leverage against
Speaker 3: Putin from and to turn him from ever acting again.
Speaker 1: Always a pleasure to talk to you, Lieutenant General Richard
Speaker 1: Newton senior national security contributor to News Nation. Thanks again,
Speaker 1: thank you, You're always good to be with you. Absolutely
Speaker 1: worth pointing out. President Zelenski was supposed to be flying
Speaker 1: to Saudi Arabia, not as part of these talks, but
Speaker 1: he was supposed to be flying to Saudi Arabia. He
Speaker 1: canceled that trip, saying that they will not accept any
Speaker 1: outcome from these talks since Kiev didn't take part in them.
Speaker 2: A couple other stories that were following.
Speaker 1: Students at LA Unified go back to classes today with
Speaker 1: a huge new real rule in place, no cell phones
Speaker 1: in the classrooms now. Different schools have different policies. Some
Speaker 1: of them have phones that can be locked up in
Speaker 1: special containers, those yonder pouches or similar things. Others will
Speaker 1: have students simply storing them in their backpacks and not
Speaker 1: allowed to get them except an emergency. There are some exceptions,
Speaker 1: for example, students who need phones for translation purposes, students
Speaker 1: who use them to overcome some learning disabilities, they can
Speaker 1: still have them and then out of New York Today.
Speaker 1: Strange story about New York's Governor Kathy Hochel. She's now
Speaker 1: saying she's looking at whether or not she should remove
Speaker 1: Mayor Eric Adams from office after four of his top
Speaker 1: deputies announced their resignations. Of course, the Justice Department ended
Speaker 1: the corruption case against Mayor Eric Adams. She says she's
Speaker 1: going to convene a meeting today in Manhattan for a
Speaker 1: conversation about the path four for what's going on.
Speaker 3: Oh now, it's a negative thing that Tom Hanks did.
Speaker 8: Looks like you are mago right, Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4: We know, we know why you're mad.
Speaker 1: I just thought it was it was Listen, Tom Hanks
Speaker 1: doesn't have to call everybody racists.
Speaker 2: That's that's what the issue was.
Speaker 1: And the s kid itself Black Jeopardy with Eddie Murphy
Speaker 1: playing Tracy Morgan standing next to Tracy Morgan. It was
Speaker 1: funny by itself. You don't get to go around and
Speaker 1: call people racist. That's that ended being funny about one
Speaker 1: hundred years ago. So there are questions about who is
Speaker 1: in fact in charge of the Department of Government Efficiency.
Speaker 2: That's Elon Musk's group, right.
Speaker 1: The answer is not certain, and it got even cloudier
Speaker 1: when lawyers who have been defending the Trump administration wrote
Speaker 1: in a court paper that Elon Musk is not the
Speaker 1: administrator of the Department of Government efficient, which is obviously
Speaker 1: contradictory to everything that's been said by him, by the President,
Speaker 1: by everybody else. According to the Office of Administration Director
Speaker 1: Josh Fisher, Musk is a quote, non career special government
Speaker 1: employee who also serves as an advisor to the president,
Speaker 1: senior advisor. That would be similar to the role of
Speaker 1: Anita done in the Biden administration. And there's no real
Speaker 1: information about who in fact oversees Department of Government Efficiency,
Speaker 1: but it says that whoever that is, it's not Elon Musk.
Speaker 1: And again, these are the papers from the Trump administration.
Speaker 1: The judges are trying to figure out how to define
Speaker 1: this Department of Government efficiency within government, and an order
Speaker 1: that was issued late Friday, a federal judge in DC
Speaker 1: said that those should be considered an agency, but he
Speaker 1: noted how the Trump administration is curiously a avoiding the
Speaker 1: label agency because of the potential rules that would come
Speaker 1: along with that. Now, among other things, there is a
Speaker 1: case that went before a judge yesterday, and the judge
Speaker 1: in this case said she doesn't believe that she can
Speaker 1: impose a general restraining order on all of this on
Speaker 1: the Department of Government efficiency.
Speaker 2: And what's important is there.
Speaker 1: Are fourteen states that are asking for this restraining order,
Speaker 1: one of them here in California, obviously, because they fight
Speaker 1: against they have said that they would fight against the
Speaker 1: things that President Trump wants to do. The judge in
Speaker 1: this case also said that she would decide probably within
Speaker 1: twenty four hours, so we're kind of on the clock.
Speaker 1: That was yesterday, so we're on the clock waiting for
Speaker 1: this decision. I think one of the important parts about
Speaker 1: this is it's judge Tanya Chutcan. She was the one
Speaker 1: who oversaw Jack Smith's election fraud indictment against President Trump
Speaker 1: and was rejecting lawsuits by his attorneys left and right
Speaker 1: to delay the case. Completely rejected the argument that Smith
Speaker 1: was illegally appointed.
Speaker 2: She's no friend of Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: However, she said yesterday some comments that appear to be
Speaker 1: pretty skeptical about those states trying to stop Elon Musk
Speaker 1: in the Department of Government Efficiency. In fact, she said
Speaker 1: the courts cannot act based on news reports, and she
Speaker 1: said I'm not seeing it so far, saying that there's
Speaker 1: no reason at this point, or at least alluding to
Speaker 1: the idea that there's no reason to put a restraining
Speaker 1: order on the Department of Government Efficiency. She asked the
Speaker 1: Department of Justice attorney if he could confirm the allegation
Speaker 1: that thousands of federal employees were fired last week, and
Speaker 1: he said no, he couldn't independently confirm that. And she said,
Speaker 1: the firing of thousands of employees is not a small thing.
Speaker 1: Haven't been able to learn if in fact that's true. Later,
Speaker 1: when that same attorney said the plaintiffs hadn't provided any
Speaker 1: evidence that Musk has any formal or actual authority to
Speaker 1: make any government decisions, she said, I think you stretched
Speaker 1: too far.
Speaker 2: I disagree with you there.
Speaker 1: So there is some strange twist in that case where
Speaker 1: it's Judge Tanya Chutkan who for again for a couple
Speaker 1: of years was overseeing Jack Smith's case, and I had
Speaker 1: ruled repeatedly against Donald Trump in the administration. One of
Speaker 1: the issues that Department of Government Efficiencies going after, or
Speaker 1: one of the agencies, I should say, is Department of Education.
Speaker 1: What would it actually mean if that thing was wound
Speaker 1: down and tied up and thrown into the garbage can.
Speaker 1: There's some people who are very concerned about that. We'll
Speaker 1: explain what that would mean for schools here in southern California.
Speaker 1: When we come back to Gary and Shannon.
Speaker 2: You've been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show.
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