Speaker 1: Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. Hey,
Speaker 1: how are you. I hope you're doing well today. This
Speaker 1: is Cliff, your host of Destiny, and today it's all
Speaker 1: about unusual creatures, hominins, and something that I've been interested
Speaker 1: in for Jesus decades, which is the classification of hominins
Speaker 1: that are not regularly, are not registered by the archaeological community,
Speaker 1: but are prominent. And I'm talking about the strange people
Speaker 1: of Praracice Peru, the various hominins, the various human like
Speaker 1: people that lived among the Maya, but are obviously not
Speaker 1: human in the sense that we understand. No, I actually
Speaker 1: say that I should repeat that they were human, but
Speaker 1: they were of a branch that is not with us
Speaker 1: any longer. Either they died out because of environmental conditions
Speaker 1: or they were killed off. There was a form of
Speaker 1: genocide that was committed. And we've heard about over the
Speaker 1: centuries different people who were eradicated, and we just never
Speaker 1: knew who they were because there's no one to talk about,
Speaker 1: there's no one to go to and ask about their background.
Speaker 1: Today it's more about creatures, types of hominins, human like
Speaker 1: beings who have lived on the earth and who still
Speaker 1: may be with us. The book we're talking about today
Speaker 1: is called North American Monsters, and it has to do
Speaker 1: with crypto zoology. It has to do with identifying unusual
Speaker 1: humans like the like the Yetti, the Bigfoot, Luckness Monster,
Speaker 1: the creatures that have been seen by local villagers or
Speaker 1: have been recorded down through history. And at one time
Speaker 1: he made a thought of them as a myth, but
Speaker 1: they have been verified in a number of different settings
Speaker 1: and chronicled and actually chronicled. And so what makes today's
Speaker 1: program interesting for me and I think you as well,
Speaker 1: is that my guest has written a very very detailed book,
Speaker 1: over two hundred and fifty accounts of these what he
Speaker 1: calls creatures. I guess that's a set that's fitting for
Speaker 1: the overall theme. When you're talking about yetis when you're
Speaker 1: talking about night crawlers, When you're talking about human like
Speaker 1: beans who are not seen on a regular basis, I
Speaker 1: guess you can classify them as creatures. And the zoological
Speaker 1: definition is because we have a lot of animal like
Speaker 1: beans that are seen in the ocean, where they're seen
Speaker 1: in lakes, they're seen in trees, they come out at night.
Speaker 1: Some are very very old. They go all the way
Speaker 1: back to the Maya, the Aztec, the toll Tech. They're
Speaker 1: well and by the way, North America. The monster book
Speaker 1: starts in Central America, which means that's believes in Guatemala,
Speaker 1: Honduras and moves in through Mexico. There's the Chupacabra, which
Speaker 1: has been a fascination of mine for decades. It showed
Speaker 1: up in the early nineteen nineties and apparently it's still around,
Speaker 1: a dog like creature. We moved through Mexico into North America,
Speaker 1: and today we're going to go through not every single state,
Speaker 1: we're going to go through a number of states that
Speaker 1: have unique creatures that have been chronicled by the local people.
Speaker 1: In some cases they have been written about, and we
Speaker 1: want to know about that. Now. The other thing, and
Speaker 1: we've talked about this with Patrick Shanard last week. My
Speaker 1: guest today presents giants, Giants in Mexico, Giants in North America,
Speaker 1: and giants in Canada. And this is something that we
Speaker 1: didn't really discuss with Patrick, but we will definitely talk
Speaker 1: about this today in the program. So today's program is
Speaker 1: Chasing North American Monsters, A guide to over two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty creatures from Greenland to Guatemala. Guest is Jason Affut.
Speaker 1: I love climbing among the temples and the ancient pyramids
Speaker 1: of the Maya. We actually have a tour coming up
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Speaker 1: com forward Slash Tours. I'm fascinated with a number of
Speaker 1: different hominids in the world. It's interesting to note that
Speaker 1: when we have different authors, different presenters on the program
Speaker 1: and we talk about these unusual hominis, and I'm considering
Speaker 1: and I'm categorizing different as the Parakis, people with these
Speaker 1: very elongated skulls, these unusual people from early Maya gravesites
Speaker 1: that have a wide cranium, and they don't seem to
Speaker 1: be categorized, and it's very, very strange, and I almost
Speaker 1: wish somebody would break out of their shell and do that.
Speaker 1: My guest today is presenting almost a similar series of topics.
Speaker 1: His book is called North American Monsters. And we do
Speaker 1: have some hominins in here and some human like creatures.
Speaker 1: But let me tell you about my guests. His name
Speaker 1: is Jason Offitt. He has written extensively on various creatures.
Speaker 1: I guess it's called cryptozoology or cryptoids, which I find fascinating.
Speaker 1: And this is a study, a legitimate study of unus
Speaker 1: usual creatures, but also human like creatures as well. And uh,
Speaker 1: John is a he teaches journalism and in uh Missouri.
Speaker 1: He's He's from Maryland, Maryville, Missouri. He teaches at Northwest
Speaker 1: Missouri State University. He is an author of four previous
Speaker 1: books on paranormal topics, and the book I think before
Speaker 1: that was he had a book called American Monsters. This
Speaker 1: is North American Monsters. So Jason, we want to hear
Speaker 1: all about this. I'm fascinated in this topic and what
Speaker 1: got you started in this. What was it, uh, just
Speaker 1: an article that you wrote or did you just start
Speaker 1: digging it up? What's the story on this? I? Well,
Speaker 1: I got.
Speaker 2: Interested in uh in in monsters when I was a kid. Well,
Speaker 2: I got interested. Uh you know, you got the school
Speaker 2: Scholastic book club order form, you know, in third and
Speaker 2: fourth grade. You know, friends of mine have been getting
Speaker 2: you know, biographies on baseball play and i'd get books
Speaker 2: on Bigfoot. Yeah, so I've been interested for a long time.
Speaker 2: Grew up watching Leonard nie Moy's In Search of and
Speaker 2: any monster movie I could I could get my hands on,
Speaker 2: I I'd watch. So I've been fascinated in monster about
Speaker 2: monsters for quite a long time.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, Jason. You have a number of
Speaker 1: at least one book that's specifically on Bigfoot, and you've
Speaker 1: covered bigfoot. And the funny thing about Bigfoot is they're
Speaker 1: all over the place. They seem to be worldwide, but
Speaker 1: we've never found or no one's ever captured one. We
Speaker 1: have no real good footage of one except for some
Speaker 1: very old old camera footage. What's the deal with that?
Speaker 2: Well, it the way that I try to tackle this
Speaker 2: is one I'm not going to say, I know what
Speaker 2: bigfoot is. Anybody who says they know what bigfoot is
Speaker 2: doesn't know what bigfoot is. It can be a lot
Speaker 2: of different things. But I think all the different definitions
Speaker 2: of bigfoot end up with the same, you know, say,
Speaker 2: the same couple of similarities, like they're intelligent, okay, so
Speaker 2: and more intelligent than your your your your average animal.
Speaker 2: They're they're human like and then you know the physical characteristics.
Speaker 2: If they are that intelligent, they can very well hide
Speaker 2: from us. They might bury their dead. Is why we
Speaker 2: haven't been able to find them. Why haven't we, you know,
Speaker 2: uncovered a Bigfoot skeleton. The majority, there's the majority of
Speaker 2: North America is empty. It doesn't seem like that, you know,
Speaker 2: because we've got to you know, we're populated. You've got
Speaker 2: people all over the place. But if you're including you know,
Speaker 2: you gottata include all of the forests, all of the plains,
Speaker 2: the mountains, deserts. And that's not just including the United States.
Speaker 2: I mean Mexico, mountains, deserts, jungles, Canada, you know, mountains,
Speaker 2: tundra and forests all over the place. More than forty
Speaker 2: percent of North America is uninhabited. People are you know,
Speaker 2: people are visitors in most of these places. So if
Speaker 2: that is where cryptids like Bigfoot have to live away
Speaker 2: from people, they could bury themselves all over the place
Speaker 2: and we never know about it. So I think when
Speaker 2: it comes to finding a body, that's that's one of
Speaker 2: the problems about the you know, film about pictures of
Speaker 2: these things, and this is something a lot of skeptics.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying Bigfoot exists one hundred percent. I
Speaker 2: think if we do discover any cryptids out there, Bigfoot
Speaker 2: is gonna be the one. But let's say you're just hiking.
Speaker 2: Are you equipped this is before cell phones. Were you
Speaker 2: equipped to take pictures of things? Probably not unless you're
Speaker 2: a photographer, Okay, but everybody's got a camera on them. Now,
Speaker 2: if you're out in the woods and twenty feet away
Speaker 2: from you is this eight foot tall, five hundred pound,
Speaker 2: you know, hairy creature. What are you gonna do? First?
Speaker 2: Are you going to run? Or are you gonna say no, hey,
Speaker 2: wait a second, I gotta get my phone out and
Speaker 2: take your picture. Yes, you're not gonna take the picture.
Speaker 2: You're gonna get the heck out of there. So I
Speaker 2: think there are a lot of reasons that you know,
Speaker 2: I just mentioned why we don't have We don't have
Speaker 2: a big foot yet. I'm there have been reports of hunters.
Speaker 2: There was a really famous call to Art Bell's show
Speaker 2: Coast to Coast of a guy in Texas saying that
Speaker 2: he killed one and when he looked and he looked
Speaker 2: too human, and he thought he'd be convicted for murder,
Speaker 2: so he just buried it.
Speaker 1: I actually remember that episode. Yeah, he was freaked out
Speaker 1: because it looked like he had shot somebody, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean that that could be it. I've heard other
Speaker 2: hunters on other shows say I had one in my sights,
Speaker 2: but it looked like a man. Yeah, So I mean,
Speaker 2: do we have is there one captured? Who knows? There
Speaker 2: are reports, of course of the government, you know, capturing bigfoot,
Speaker 2: but who in the world knows.
Speaker 1: One of the things that you bring up that I
Speaker 1: think needs to be discussed more is the fact that
Speaker 1: a lot of the references that you're getting are from
Speaker 1: indigenous people who have lived around a lot longer than
Speaker 1: we have, and they talk about sasquatch yety, the Bigfoot,
Speaker 1: and because they are more in tune with the earth
Speaker 1: and nature, they may have interactions and you bring this
Speaker 1: up in your book with these different creatures, that the
Speaker 1: locals who have lived in these areas for thousands of
Speaker 1: years live in harmony with these creatures. Where we are,
Speaker 1: we're like shoot firs, ask questions later. Do you think
Speaker 1: that has something to do with it?
Speaker 2: I think absolutely it does. Yes, yes it does a
Speaker 2: lot of indigenous peoples from from around the world have
Speaker 2: not just lived side by side at least have stories
Speaker 2: of living side by side with these creatures, but even
Speaker 2: trading with them. They considered, you know, in a lot
Speaker 2: of places, just another tribe of humans. They just happen
Speaker 2: to be big and hairy. And yes, this is common.
Speaker 2: I mean bigfoot is has been reported. Bigfoot are a
Speaker 2: type of bigfoot, has been reported on every continent but Antarctica.
Speaker 2: I mean even in Australia we've got the Yawi, and heck,
Speaker 2: Sri Lanka and New Zealand have bigfoots. Big fight Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I mean they're they're absolutely everywhere, and yes, absolutely
Speaker 2: the indigenous people have reported them for thousands of years.
Speaker 2: And this is something that I you know, kind of
Speaker 2: beat this drum in my book. Why don't we listen
Speaker 2: to them? You know, we don't. There have been so
Speaker 2: many scientific discoveries of animals over the centuries that if
Speaker 2: we would have just listened to the indigenous peoples, they
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been a discovery. You know, the mountain gorilla,
Speaker 2: the giant pandy, the panda, the ocampe, you know all
Speaker 2: of these. The heck, the megamouth shark wasn't discovered until
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy seven. You know, there are big monsters out
Speaker 2: there that we just don't know about because we don't listen.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. I wanted to to ask you
Speaker 1: real quickly before we jump into some of these creatures.
Speaker 1: Cryptozoology is a study. Is that a PhD that people
Speaker 1: get to become a cryptozoologist.
Speaker 2: Here's a problem with that. You can anybody can call
Speaker 2: themselves a cryptozoologist, don't. I don't call myself one. I'm
Speaker 2: I'm a writer. I have a journal journalism background, That's
Speaker 2: what I teach. I was a reporter and editor for
Speaker 2: seventeen years ao out working in a newspaper and so yeah,
Speaker 2: but there's no degree for cryptozoology.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting.
Speaker 2: However, some of the most famous cryptozoologists, like Ivan T. Sanderson,
Speaker 2: Grover Krantz, they were zoologists. They they had zoology degrees,
Speaker 2: and they realized, oh wait a second, there are other
Speaker 2: animals out there that science doesn't know yet, so let's
Speaker 2: go look into those.
Speaker 1: The reason I'm asking that is the forward is written
Speaker 1: by Lauren Coleman, who's the director of International Cryptozoology Museum.
Speaker 1: And I have to wonder if there is a branch
Speaker 1: of science that is reading your book and going, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've heard about that. I've heard it as a myth.
Speaker 1: But wait a minute. We got some hair samples, we
Speaker 1: have some footprints, we have something, and what why we
Speaker 1: don't hear more about? And I opened the show with people,
Speaker 1: these these these civilizations that have passed like the Practice people.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen the skeleton of a
Speaker 1: practice human being. They have a cranium that's thirty percent
Speaker 1: larger than our own.
Speaker 2: Does it Does it look like a regular human skull?
Speaker 2: Or is it?
Speaker 1: It?
Speaker 2: Does?
Speaker 1: It does, but it's elongated and it's not artificially elongated.
Speaker 1: And this has been the big program. The big problem
Speaker 1: is that a lot of archaeologists say, well, they, you know,
Speaker 1: did skull deformation as babies and there this is how
Speaker 1: they are. But there's whole grave sites of hundreds of
Speaker 1: these people and from a young age to their elder
Speaker 1: elder age, they had elongated skulls. But well, why we
Speaker 1: don't well, why we don't study it more. It's just
Speaker 1: a very very big question.
Speaker 2: And and uh, let's go with elongated skull. Well, it's
Speaker 2: not really elongated, but it's it's a mouthformed if you
Speaker 2: if you know, if it's a human skull, Lloyd Pie,
Speaker 2: the late Lloyd Pie, uh, and the star Child's skull.
Speaker 2: It has so many basic differences than a human skull
Speaker 2: that I mean, it's like no soft spot, no, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't remember your sobs.
Speaker 1: The sutures are yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: The sutures. There's an issue with those. Whatever the knobs
Speaker 2: are called in the back of a human skull, it
Speaker 2: doesn't have them. Uh. They did science, did it, you know,
Speaker 2: DNA test, and it came back as human. Maybe we're
Speaker 2: just so closely related to everything that it would come
Speaker 2: back human.
Speaker 1: I saw a look, I saw the scall that Lloyd was.
Speaker 1: In fact, I knew Lloyd and I remember that skull.
Speaker 1: I never had a chance to handle it, but it
Speaker 1: was very different.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, if the thinking was it was part human,
Speaker 1: part alien, right, a highbred.
Speaker 2: Well, and that's uh, you know that that's something that
Speaker 2: that's something that would bring people together as this pieces
Speaker 2: I think is if we were close enough genetically to
Speaker 2: breed with something that wasn't born on Earth, there's a
Speaker 2: cosmic connection for you that that would be I think
Speaker 2: would bring everybody, to bring everybody together. But I want
Speaker 2: to I want to take a step back because you
Speaker 2: mentioned Lauren cale Me and he wrote the ForWord. If
Speaker 2: anybody deserves a crypto zoology degree, it's Lauren. He has
Speaker 2: worked ever since he was a teenager on on strange
Speaker 2: animals and and he's the one he's the first one
Speaker 2: who covered the Dover demon back in the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 2: He broke that to the press. So he's been busy
Speaker 2: with this field for a long time.
Speaker 1: Where is the International Cryptozoology Museum where.
Speaker 2: It's in the state of Maine.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's in the United States. Yeah, fantastic. Before we continue,
Speaker 1: I want to ask you what was the criteria? How
Speaker 1: did you validate these creatures? Was it mythology, sightings, and
Speaker 1: physical remains or all three?
Speaker 2: Yeah? All the above, absolutely, all the above. I tried
Speaker 2: not to go too far into mythology, because there are
Speaker 2: some really weird creatures in mythology, but there are also
Speaker 2: some really interesting ones that I included. I prefer to
Speaker 2: include monsters that have had eyewitness sightings, you know, people
Speaker 2: have seen it, you know, in the lake or you know,
Speaker 2: stomp around the world. But there are also some with
Speaker 2: you know, physical remains, especially the globsters, which are people
Speaker 2: walking down the beach and there's something that was alive.
Speaker 2: They just don't know what it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's amazing. Okay, let's get into it.
Speaker 1: This book covers all of North America, and I want
Speaker 1: to start with Central America. And it's funny because you
Speaker 1: I'm kind of a Mayanist and I I follow some
Speaker 1: of the Maya lore, but some of these creatures that
Speaker 1: you're presenting are very unusual. So let's go to Belize
Speaker 1: and it's a cis might a big foot like creature,
Speaker 1: and according to your research, they are greatly They dislike
Speaker 1: men and they actually have killed people.
Speaker 2: Right, they dislike men, and this is this is a strange.
Speaker 2: This is strange. And a lot of creatures from Central America,
Speaker 2: from from the islands of the Caribbean. Uh. A lot
Speaker 2: of these creatures have this same uh, the same leg
Speaker 2: issue their feet or backward and the system might's feet
Speaker 2: are are if I'm remembering that correctly, are backward. And
Speaker 2: this is apparently so you can't track one because you
Speaker 2: don't know what direction it's going.
Speaker 1: In, so they're walking on their heels.
Speaker 2: Yes, wow, so that is that is that is weird.
Speaker 2: I'm not not quite sure why why that is a
Speaker 2: popular thing for uh, you know, for a lot a
Speaker 2: lot of humanoid todd creatures. But but yeah, that's that
Speaker 2: is and a lot of and and the system might
Speaker 2: goes into this as well. But there are a number
Speaker 2: of forest creatures in this book that generally are aggressive
Speaker 2: toward men and not toward women. Uh. And and I
Speaker 2: have a feeling this has to do with the fact
Speaker 2: that in centuries past and still today, honestly, men men
Speaker 2: are hunters. Men are men generally are the ones who
Speaker 2: go in and kill wildlife. They're the ones who go
Speaker 2: in and now chop down trees and and harm the forests.
Speaker 2: So this is that that that's why the men get
Speaker 2: you know, torn apart by this backwards foot bigfoot.
Speaker 1: So the systemight, which is a big foot like creatures.
Speaker 1: Does that have the other characteristics of being eight foot tall,
Speaker 1: four hundred plus pounds and all all, you know, covered
Speaker 1: in hair.
Speaker 2: Most of these, most of these bigfoot creatures, unless they're
Speaker 2: diminutive ones, and there are some of those around the world,
Speaker 2: but most of them fit into that, you know, fit
Speaker 2: into that same picture. They're you know, between six and
Speaker 2: ten feet tall, five and eight hundred pounds and covered
Speaker 2: with hair. Wow.
Speaker 1: So yes, that's amazing. Now here's one that you list
Speaker 1: that it just seems fascinating. It's the shechitah Bee or Bye,
Speaker 1: and it's a woman of the night. Uh, and it's
Speaker 1: considered a demon. And one of the things I thought
Speaker 1: was interesting is it seduces men and sacrifices them. Oh god,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean that's like a that's like a
Speaker 1: myth like creature, but who knows, could be something more well.
Speaker 2: And there are yeah, there are a number of types
Speaker 2: to those. Gosh, there were too many for me to
Speaker 2: actually remember the name of it. I'm so embarrassed. But
Speaker 2: one of them appears as a beautiful woman yeah to
Speaker 2: seduce a man and then uh, you know, during the seduction,
Speaker 2: she's got a horse's head. You know, there's another one
Speaker 2: that that's the same thing that ends up being the
Speaker 2: man is you know, he's he's kissing her and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, she's a skeleton. And in some cases
Speaker 2: they will you know, throw the man off a cliff,
Speaker 2: and other other cases they you know, kill them and
Speaker 2: leave them for people to find as a warning. Generally,
Speaker 2: these men are either drunk or the men are married
Speaker 2: and or engaged and cheating on their spouse. So it
Speaker 2: is sort of a demonic entity that actually is more
Speaker 2: looking out for women because it's taking care of these nasty,
Speaker 2: unfaithful men.
Speaker 1: Now, is it? Is it this uh, the shechita by
Speaker 1: bay that is the one that's ripping the hearts out
Speaker 1: of these people too? Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's that sounds right, is it? Think?
Speaker 1: I think I read that in your paragraph description. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, that sounds Aztec to.
Speaker 2: Me, very as tech.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: We go to Guatemala and there's this uh sorcerer goat,
Speaker 1: half man, half a goat that you have illustrated in
Speaker 1: your book, and I'm like, what the heck is that?
Speaker 2: Well? This was Ah, there's a lot of things with animals.
Speaker 2: If I'm remembering this correctly. This person, a young man,
Speaker 2: was in love. He was in love with this woman
Speaker 2: who was not in his social class, and went to
Speaker 2: a wizard to help him. And depends on the story
Speaker 2: and who you're getting it from. He wanted to either
Speaker 2: become a goat so he could be close to her,
Speaker 2: or you know, be able to change from a goat
Speaker 2: to a man. And he was either changed into a
Speaker 2: full goat that she took care of and eventually ate,
Speaker 2: or he became a half goat half man and terrified her.
Speaker 1: We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
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Speaker 1: with my guest today, Jason Offutt, discussing his latest book,
Speaker 1: Chasing North American Monsters. Will be right back. My guest
Speaker 1: today is Jason Offutt. He has written a new book
Speaker 1: called Chasing North American Monsters, a guide to over two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty creatures from Greenland to Guatemala. And this
Speaker 1: is a look at unusual animals, humans and offworldly types Honduras.
Speaker 1: This is one that I saw that I didn't see
Speaker 1: anything else on, which is one eyed giants that are
Speaker 1: red haired in the Honduras area. And it's funny because
Speaker 1: I just had a guy on last week that was
Speaker 1: talking about giants in North America and the giants that
Speaker 1: he spoke of and in some cases documented were on
Speaker 1: the average about eight feet tall or above six five
Speaker 1: six five to eight feet, right.
Speaker 2: The lot of stories of giants and the thing that
Speaker 2: I find fascinating all throughout the Americas, from know way
Speaker 2: north to south, these giants are you know, they've got
Speaker 2: red hair and yeah, and that's you know, across the
Speaker 2: United States from you know, Illinois, some red hair giant
Speaker 2: remains were found. They were allegedly red hair giant remains
Speaker 2: found in in Arizona, in in Mexico, all over the
Speaker 2: place where red haired people hadn't been to our knowledge.
Speaker 2: So I think that's absolutely absolutely fascinating, right. The yeah,
Speaker 2: the one eyed giants. The thing is, what's the one
Speaker 2: eye is it? Did we have cyclopses? You know, back
Speaker 2: back in the day, Uh, the explanation for cyclops on
Speaker 2: on crete was the skulls of elephants. You know, that
Speaker 2: was Oh, people just saw these giant skulls with a
Speaker 2: hole in the middle and they thought that was an
Speaker 2: eye socket, you know. But in South America. What what
Speaker 2: could that be? I have absolutely no idea.
Speaker 1: Are these maya mythological creatures or are they actually I mean,
Speaker 1: because the various people a guy named Hugh Newman who
Speaker 1: wrote a number of books on American and European giants.
Speaker 1: The red hair is a tip off because that seems
Speaker 1: to be kind of a theme for these North American giants.
Speaker 1: But in the current United States there the mound builders.
Speaker 1: Apparently we're giants, you know. So what do we know
Speaker 1: about the Central American giants? Do they have the same attributes,
Speaker 1: physical size, other physical traits right there?
Speaker 2: Are? It depends, It depends on on on the region.
Speaker 2: There are giant reports all all over Mexico and and
Speaker 2: sometimes the giants are about nine to twelve feet tall
Speaker 2: if you look. You know, in the Biblical giants, Goliath
Speaker 2: was like a little over nine feet tall, and they
Speaker 2: tend to have red hair. Either that or they're talking
Speaker 2: about a big foot type creature as a giant, which
Speaker 2: you know, that would definitely definitely fit in. This is
Speaker 2: in my book that's coming out next year, Chasing the
Speaker 2: World's Monsters. But they're all over the place there.
Speaker 1: You got enough material for encyclopedia kind of look at
Speaker 1: these creatures of the life.
Speaker 2: That's kind of what I'm working on.
Speaker 1: You know, do you remember a guy named Charles Fort. Oh, yes,
Speaker 1: that's where you remind me of a modern day Charles Fort,
Speaker 1: except that he's he's covering frogs, fly showering in the
Speaker 1: you know, and other creatures of the night.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's where you know, we get fourteen from from
Speaker 2: Charles Charles Fort. He was oh to be rich and
Speaker 2: young like Charles Fort, and didn't have nothing else to
Speaker 2: do but to go out and look at monsters. I
Speaker 2: didn't so fun.
Speaker 1: Was he inherentently wealthy? Yes, his parents left him money, yeah.
Speaker 2: He so he had. He had the resources in the
Speaker 2: time and the education. Me, I'm married with kids. I
Speaker 2: can't do all that. But anyway, the thing I was
Speaker 2: I was getting to is even on expeditions from Europe
Speaker 2: to South America or Magellan to circumnavigate and gate the globe,
Speaker 2: Magellan reported giants down at the tip of South America
Speaker 2: and and he he was you know, it was written
Speaker 2: that you know, they were huge. They were a leased
Speaker 2: twelve feet tall. And by the time the third or
Speaker 2: fourth expedition went through there man, the giant's got to
Speaker 2: be about six feet tall. So how big really were they?
Speaker 2: Because Magellan I looked up, he was only like five
Speaker 2: foot two. Yeah, so I'm thinking anything looks pretty big
Speaker 2: to him.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, a person who's over six feet would be
Speaker 1: considered a giant, like someone who's like six four six'
Speaker 1: five might be that. Way i'm trying to remember the
Speaker 1: conquistador that came To florida and was met by was
Speaker 1: It Consta Leon, no some other? Name but he came
Speaker 1: with different groups and they met with giants as, well
Speaker 1: so they were definitely in The. AMERICA i Mean europeans
Speaker 1: were about five foot five five, seven and if someone,
Speaker 1: is LIKE i, said six foot five or seven, feet
Speaker 1: that's gonna be pretty. BIG i, MEAN i don't know about.
Speaker 1: You If i've stood next To i'm only about five,
Speaker 1: Eight i've stood next to a seven foot tall, friend
Speaker 1: AND i that's that's a that's a huge. Person.
Speaker 2: WELL i also used to in my journalism. CAREER i
Speaker 2: was also a sports photographer for a. While and the
Speaker 2: VERY i was shooting A royals, Game Kansas City royals
Speaker 2: game and they were playing The Oakland a's AND i
Speaker 2: was walking out to third. Base i'm five to. NINE
Speaker 2: i was walking out to the third base photo booth
Speaker 2: or photo, bay and on either side of me these
Speaker 2: Two Oakland A's Jose cansenko And mark McGuire walked on
Speaker 2: either side of me and kept their conversation going over my.
Speaker 1: HEAD i think those he was six,' five wasn't he canseco?
Speaker 2: He was he, Was, big yeah he was something. Like
Speaker 2: THAT all i KNOW was i felt like a twelve year. Old. Kid,
Speaker 2: Yeah well and there's also a famous picture of a
Speaker 2: famous Picture Of arnold schwarzenegger that was taken during the
Speaker 2: filming Of the Conan the Barbarian sequel Conan, the destroyer
Speaker 2: and It's got he's in the Middle and Andre the
Speaker 2: giants on, one Side And wilt chamberlain's on the other
Speaker 2: and they're holding. Him Up and schwarzenegger was six, to
Speaker 2: two and, you know as big as, he was he
Speaker 2: looked like.
Speaker 1: A baby Andre the giant is he must have been close,
Speaker 1: to seven but he was seven FEET but i think
Speaker 1: he was also, very girthy to like five six. Hundred
Speaker 1: pounds he, was, huge right.
Speaker 2: HE was i think he was seven, foot four, and
Speaker 2: yeah he was about. That, big yeah he weighed like
Speaker 2: five six. Hundred, pounds yeah he.
Speaker 1: Was huge he was a monster modern. Day monsters let's
Speaker 1: Go to mexico and this is One that i've, heard about,
Speaker 1: the chupacabra which is a, doglike creature, You KNOW and
Speaker 1: i don't know if we have actually captured a. SKELETAL
Speaker 1: remain i think there's been a number of people who
Speaker 1: have claimed that they've had the skin or the skeletal
Speaker 1: of one of these dog. Like creatures but what do
Speaker 1: we know about the Cup.
Speaker 2: Of, cabra well the Chup of cabra came around in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five is when people first started talking, about
Speaker 2: it and that Was In, puerto rico and there was
Speaker 2: a Woman Named. Madeline tolentino she saw a creature in,
Speaker 2: her neighborhood her in the neighborhood of, her city and
Speaker 2: it was about three four, feet, Tall bipedal it had
Speaker 2: spikes running down, its back it, had fangs and it
Speaker 2: hissed at her and a number of people from, the
Speaker 2: neighborhood even, a pastor reported seeing that over the next couple,
Speaker 2: of weeks and then once that hit, the news people
Speaker 2: were reporting all across, You Know puerto rico that they're
Speaker 2: their rabbits and goats and chickens and other small uh,
Speaker 2: you know small livestock, type, things uh were. Being killed
Speaker 2: they had puncture marks in them and were drained of
Speaker 2: blood and that, was yeah that was, that was that,
Speaker 2: was it and then it it spread across, To. Uh
Speaker 2: mexico people started reporting Them in mexico and down in
Speaker 2: The Southern. United states the dog like ones you're talking
Speaker 2: about are every once in a while somebody will, claim,
Speaker 2: THAT oh i caught a chup, of cabra and it
Speaker 2: always ends up being a coyote.
Speaker 1: With.
Speaker 2: Mange, oh now the the interesting thing about the chewp
Speaker 2: ofcabra myth that uh makes me fairly dubious is uh
Speaker 2: the movie uh species start In By natasha hendrix Maybe
Speaker 2: yeh inerson something. Like That. Uh, uh anyway she was
Speaker 2: an alien that Came to earth to mate and when
Speaker 2: she made it with, human men she turned into the
Speaker 2: alien which, was bipedal had spikes on, the back, had
Speaker 2: fangs and she would kill. The men and the movie
Speaker 2: had just been Released In puerto rico when when the
Speaker 2: stories of chupacabra started. Coming Out so i'm not saying
Speaker 2: people didn't say see something that's on you know that
Speaker 2: that might, be real but, you know there's some evidence
Speaker 2: showing that it might.
Speaker 1: Not be there was rumors when we first started hearing About,
Speaker 1: the CUPICABRA and I Remember art bell talking about It
Speaker 1: on Coast TO coast am but it seemed like they
Speaker 1: were saying it was an alien animal that was let
Speaker 1: loose and it Was, roaming mexico and then it got
Speaker 1: into the southern part Of The, United States, New, mexico
Speaker 1: arizona and then it was Seen. In california, you know
Speaker 1: if it is a, highbred dog, you know is there
Speaker 1: any evidence of it being from an off world civilization
Speaker 1: or is it a? Laboratory mistake.
Speaker 2: You, know WELL and i Was gonna i'm glad you
Speaker 2: went there because THAT'S where i was going. To go
Speaker 2: that's another uh common, you know idea about the Chewp
Speaker 2: of cabra because, you know YOU know us military base
Speaker 2: a secretive one on on uh, You Know, puerto rico
Speaker 2: that this thing was created and it escaped and that. Who,
Speaker 2: KNOWS yeah, i mean it's one of those things that
Speaker 2: unless somebody runs over one with with it with, their car,
Speaker 2: you know we're never going to know exactly exactly what these.
Speaker 2: Things are AND and i also don't really like saying
Speaker 2: because people say This about, Bigfoot too, oh well there's
Speaker 2: a Lot of bigfoot reports ALONG with, Ufo, encounters, like yeah,
Speaker 2: there Are but i'm not going to use that to
Speaker 2: say bigfoots FROM a ufo and and there are people
Speaker 2: who do. Go there, it's because, you know EVEN though
Speaker 2: i really Seriously think bigfoot is going to be discovered at,
Speaker 2: some point it's still it's an unknown UFOs. RIGHT now
Speaker 2: i think we're being visited FROM somewhere i, don't aware
Speaker 2: but UFOs are still an UNKNOWN and i hate to
Speaker 2: use one to try and answer the.
Speaker 1: OTHER one i, Hear you, uh yeah the cheap of copper.
Speaker 1: Is weird another one while We're in Mexico. Is mothman
Speaker 1: and the thing that. Was honored kind of strange about
Speaker 1: that is that we Have In west virginia this famous
Speaker 1: mothman sighting that. BECAME famous i think they even have
Speaker 1: a Statue of mothman In Westb Rege.
Speaker 2: Point pleasant they sure do talk.
Speaker 1: About this discovery and is it part of a h
Speaker 1: a culture or a civilization of these creatures that?
Speaker 2: Have, wings well And this mothman is. Absolutely fascinating, of
Speaker 2: course the late Great Journalist john keel was the one
Speaker 2: who wrote About, about mothman and the reports of this
Speaker 2: creature being seen inside and Outside Of, Point Pleasant west
Speaker 2: virginia ARE are i think they're fairly. Well known but
Speaker 2: it was first seen by two couples who were, you
Speaker 2: know out in the boonies making out in their car
Speaker 2: and they, saw this, you know over six, foot tall
Speaker 2: absolutely black eyes like red flashlights staring, at them and
Speaker 2: they left and the things got, you know, wings unfurled
Speaker 2: and it took off and it kept up with, the
Speaker 2: car flying over the car as the car was driving
Speaker 2: sixty miles. An hour and then it, was reported, you
Speaker 2: know being seen a few, other times specifically one At
Speaker 2: The silver bridge that collapsed within the, next Week and
Speaker 2: mothman was blamed for the. Bridge collapse. Oh interesting and
Speaker 2: then it kind of, you know sightings died down for
Speaker 2: a long. Long time but there was a bridge Collapse,
Speaker 2: IN minneapolis i, don't know fifteen, years AGO maybe i,
Speaker 2: can't remember and, people, SAID, well i, you know people
Speaker 2: Reported seeing mothman before the. Bridge collapsed there's also a
Speaker 2: legend That, before chernobyl the disaster there that somebody had
Speaker 2: seen a. Moth man it seems to be to if
Speaker 2: people are seeing, this thing, you know seems to be
Speaker 2: an omen of. Impending doom there have been more than
Speaker 2: a hundred mothman reports from Around the chicago area over
Speaker 2: the past. Ten, YEARS yeah i. DON'T know, i mean
Speaker 2: the worst Thing in chicago that's happened is the, you
Speaker 2: Know The white. Sox RECORD so i don't know what
Speaker 2: kind of doom. It's predicting the thing, About That, john
Speaker 2: keel The Writer, john keel thought was that there are,
Speaker 2: thin areas, window areas he, called them thin areas, between
Speaker 2: realities and sometimes these get really thin and something can
Speaker 2: step through from one. To another and he had Postulated
Speaker 2: maybe mothman's one.
Speaker 1: Of those do the indigenous people in these various regions
Speaker 1: where these sightings are have an understanding of this moth man.
Speaker 2: Creature as Far as i've been able, To, tell no
Speaker 2: in just nineteen, SIXTY seven i think it was sixty
Speaker 2: six that was the first first report of. The mothman,
Speaker 2: very strange. Very strange, all.
Speaker 1: Right let's get to your. Sweet. Spot now you did
Speaker 1: a whole Book On, united states but you added some
Speaker 1: specifics on, different STATES and i want to Start, With, Alabama,
Speaker 1: mobile alabama The.
Speaker 3: Wolf, woman yes oh you don't want to Do The.
Speaker 3: Crichton leprechaun we'll do that, One. Too, no, yeah uh the.
Speaker 2: Wolf woman it was in the. EARLY seventies a lot
Speaker 2: of fun things happened in cryptozoology in the early. Early
Speaker 2: seventies there was uh and this this was a headline
Speaker 2: in the in The Uh Mobile. Press, register yeah and it,
Speaker 2: was like is wolf woman sulking? Around. City okay this
Speaker 2: IS what i love about about some of these stories
Speaker 2: back in the day is because they got headline, headline
Speaker 2: news which. Is terrific but a number of people reported
Speaker 2: seeing a shaggy dog or wolf like creature with the
Speaker 2: head of a woman just walking around. The, suburbs uh
Speaker 2: nobody was, you know you mentioned. Photographs earlier nobody nobody
Speaker 2: took took pictures. Of it but people did report. Seeing,
Speaker 2: it yeah and there is. A picture did it make
Speaker 2: it in? The, book no it didn't make it in.
Speaker 2: The book it doesn't look like but there was a
Speaker 2: picture drawn Of the mobile wolf woman and she was. Quite, fetching.
Speaker 1: Yeah but is it a speculation that she's from a
Speaker 1: clan or a culture of half wolf half.
Speaker 2: Human, beings see that's one of the problems with these,
Speaker 2: with bigfoot, you know they reported all over. The place
Speaker 2: so is there a breeding, population, probably yeah it sounds.
Speaker 2: Like it but this has been a more recent probably
Speaker 2: the last twenty thirty years of human like dogs or,
Speaker 2: you know dog men or were wolf looking. Looking creatures
Speaker 2: and this is All Throughout. North america this is, you
Speaker 2: know there are reports Of The luke Rue. In quebec
Speaker 2: there's this. Wolf woman we've Got, The Lawton. Oklahoma, wolfman
Speaker 2: michigan we've Got the Michigan. Dog man There's the Beast
Speaker 2: Of bray road Up. In, wisconsin so, you know although
Speaker 2: this flies under the radar a little bit much more
Speaker 2: than a, bigfoot wood it does seem that there are
Speaker 2: plenty of reports that these things there could be a
Speaker 2: breeding population. Out there.
Speaker 1: That's, STRANGE yeah, I know i.
Speaker 2: Mean a lot of, these reports, you know from The drawings,
Speaker 2: i've seen look More like anubis From from, egyptian mythology
Speaker 2: right than the wolf. Woman does.
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Speaker 1: Jason elfitt is my. Guest today he's written a number
Speaker 1: of books on unusual beings and humanoids around, the world
Speaker 1: and his newest Book Is Chasing North, AMERICAN Monsters a
Speaker 1: guide to over two hundred and fifty Creatures from Greenland.
Speaker 1: To guadamala the fascinating thing about, Your, book jason is
Speaker 1: the fact that you also show. Sea creatures and it's
Speaker 1: funny because every once in a while in the IN
Speaker 1: the uk daily someone will dredge up some kind of
Speaker 1: creature that we've never, seen before a fish with a,
Speaker 1: certain bodies, skeletal features and and and and we're things.
Speaker 1: Like this and you Have in colorado In The dylan
Speaker 1: reservoir a creature called The. Blue. Dilly yes and these
Speaker 1: are THINGS that i think are, actually prevalent that are,
Speaker 1: actually here but we just haven't been able to categorize
Speaker 1: them because either there they live in the depths of
Speaker 1: a lake or, the ocean or. They're not there's not
Speaker 1: that many of them, Left.
Speaker 2: Right and i'm a little bit more open to ocean seamont,
Speaker 2: BECAUSE seriously, i mean it is, so huge. It's deep
Speaker 2: we have mapped, From satellites we've mapped ninety five percent
Speaker 2: of the. Ocean's depths we also ninety five percent of
Speaker 2: the ocean's depths are. Also, unexplored well we honestly don't
Speaker 2: know what's. DOWN there i. Don't know if you're familiar
Speaker 2: with thor higher, doll, sure, yeah, Yeah okay well this
Speaker 2: is just a little. Personal story my mom was in
Speaker 2: high school whenever he was taking, his journey and she
Speaker 2: used to listen to the radio reports of him reporting
Speaker 2: in which that's, pretty cool but it is right so
Speaker 2: for the, you know the people who. Don't know he
Speaker 2: Was a norwegian anthropologist who had a Hypothesis that polynesia
Speaker 2: was populated by People from peru because some of the
Speaker 2: plants were, the same some of, the architecture religion were,
Speaker 2: the same some of the words were. The same so
Speaker 2: he wanted to prove that So that peruvians could Get.
Speaker 2: To polynesia so he and a Few other norwegian scientists
Speaker 2: built a raft that was similar to the ones The
Speaker 2: ancient peruvians, could could, you Know use and they set
Speaker 2: sail for five thousand miles and they, reached it so,
Speaker 2: you know it proved that. They could but The reason
Speaker 2: i'm bringing this up is in His, book kantiki in
Speaker 2: a couple of places, he wrote one specifically that fascinates
Speaker 2: me is, at night forever away from, shipping lanes they
Speaker 2: were alone. Out there lights would follow the raft underneath,
Speaker 2: the ocean and balls the size of, you know a
Speaker 2: basketball would come up in the water and they would
Speaker 2: open and they were eyes staring.
Speaker 1: At, them, wow okay what are?
Speaker 2: THESE creatures i asked a, MARINE biologist i ask. ABOUT
Speaker 2: this i interviewed a person and, he's, LIKE yep i
Speaker 2: don't know what. That is but there's a lot of
Speaker 2: weird things. Out there could be something we.
Speaker 1: Haven't, DISCOVERED yeah, i mean and there's more water than
Speaker 1: there is, land mass so we, you know although we've imaged,
Speaker 1: the ocean we don't know what the heck's underneath.
Speaker 2: The depths not, a, clue yeah not. A clue so
Speaker 2: there was a there's a Picture a japanese fishing boat
Speaker 2: BACK and i think it was the seventies hauled up
Speaker 2: a carcass that, my gosh it looks Like a pleasia
Speaker 2: Sword dead. Pleasia sawre scientists, have, said no it's just
Speaker 2: a carcass of a whale or the carcass of a. Whale,
Speaker 2: Shark probably but Could a pleasia saur have survived in
Speaker 2: the ocean for? This, LONG yeah i think maybe. They,
Speaker 2: COULD now, i mean it's this always goes back To the. Sela,
Speaker 2: camp Hey a seila cant is a lobed fish that
Speaker 2: science and knew about because they had they had fossils
Speaker 2: sixty five million. Years old so when when when the
Speaker 2: cometter the asteroid hit and the dinosaurs went, by by
Speaker 2: they Thought the cela canth. Did too and then in nineteen,
Speaker 2: thirty eight a fishing boat Off Of south africa caught
Speaker 2: this big fish and the captain had no idea what.
Speaker 2: It was so we got a hold of the museum
Speaker 2: director and she took a look at it and, she goes,
Speaker 2: my gosh this Is a. Cela canth it's not supposed to.
Speaker 2: Be here and they found two big populations science Has of,
Speaker 2: sela camps one Off Of south africa and the other One.
Speaker 2: IN indonesia i mean.
Speaker 1: THEY survived, i mean that's that's over a, million, YEARS
Speaker 1: right i mean that's.
Speaker 2: A sixty five million years sixty.
Speaker 1: Five, million years five.
Speaker 2: Million. Years, wow no why couldn't something else have survived
Speaker 2: from that long somewhere in?
Speaker 1: The, depths well it's, funny, because Uh the, lochness monster
Speaker 1: although it hasn't been, seen recently looks like some kind
Speaker 1: of an ancient dinosaur. That survived.
Speaker 2: And that's that's been a lot of the. Eyewitness reports
Speaker 2: sure sound like. A Plesiosaur and lockness is interesting because it.
Speaker 2: Is enormous it is, incredibly deep and the water there's
Speaker 2: a lot of peat in, the water so it's. Extremely,
Speaker 2: cloudy uh and, it's hard, you know to get cameras
Speaker 2: down there to actually see much unless you're right on top.
Speaker 2: Of it so there's a lot of room for a
Speaker 2: big creature or, big creatures because there'd have to be
Speaker 2: more than one living. Down.
Speaker 1: There yeah but, You, actually jason have A In Florida.
Speaker 1: Lake tarpon you have what looks like. A dinosaur they call.
Speaker 1: It tarpi it's a some kind of a reptile that's
Speaker 1: fifteen to thirty feet. In diameter? WHAT'S that, i mean
Speaker 1: this is, SO new i mean that, it's, weird.
Speaker 2: Right, it's, uh yeah it's people fish there all. The
Speaker 2: time it's no That Lake lake tarpon is known, for uh,
Speaker 2: you know for. For bass they have a nice. Bass population,
Speaker 2: but yeah there are there are stories of this creature that,
Speaker 2: looks like, you know, part alligator. Part dinosaur sometimes it's
Speaker 2: described as, part alligator, part manatee, you know of. All
Speaker 2: things and it has been seen a number of different
Speaker 2: times throughout the. Years there, you know people have looked,
Speaker 2: for it haven't been able to. Find, it uh people
Speaker 2: have reported seeing it's it's, you know three toed footprints on.
Speaker 2: The bank it's one of. Those creatures it's kind of,
Speaker 2: you know far fetched. To me, you know lake monsters
Speaker 2: generally are because it's. A, lake yeah and how deep does?
Speaker 1: It go? Is they that was my right questions.
Speaker 2: To, you YEAH tarp i usually check, the depth But
Speaker 2: like tarpon's twenty five one, hundred acres it's not as
Speaker 2: Deep as. I'd like but then you've got Lakes Like
Speaker 2: lake champlain where there's a lake monster called champ which
Speaker 2: looks a lot like supposedly looks a LOT like NeSSI
Speaker 2: that's big enough to. Hide Something The great lakes are
Speaker 2: big enough to. Hide, something, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: It's amazing you, KNOW what i didn't get a chance
Speaker 1: to get your definition Of this colorado water monster Called
Speaker 1: blue dilly In The. Dylan, Reservoir Right, BLUE dilly i
Speaker 1: think is it is reported to look like a. Manta,
Speaker 1: ray YEAH and i mean the description of it is. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: Gorgeous frankly and the surface elevation of this lake is
Speaker 1: up at nine thousand feet shores twenty seven. Miles ashore
Speaker 1: it's a pretty pretty. Big place it's, really cold so
Speaker 1: people can go out, there RECREATIONALLY.
Speaker 2: But i wouldn't. Want TO but, i mean it does,
Speaker 2: IT exist i. Don't know it's three hundred and twenty.
Speaker 1: Feet deep the, THING is i don't know of any fresh,
Speaker 1: water stingrays, you know so maybe it's, A, breed.
Speaker 2: Yes it, Could be but there are there are fresh.
Speaker 2: Water stingrays they're just, really. Small, okay yeah and they
Speaker 2: lived they live In, the amazon.
Speaker 1: Not.
Speaker 2: In colorado.
Speaker 1: You know it's funny because it's almost like some of
Speaker 1: these creatures just have not been seen in enough quantity
Speaker 1: for zoologists to, categorize them you KNOW what. I mean
Speaker 1: so you may be picking up what you think is,
Speaker 1: a creature but it might be legitimate being that's, been
Speaker 1: here it just hasn't been seen, in, Numbers.
Speaker 2: Right and i'm going to go with stay in. The
Speaker 2: water Go, with cadbarrosaurus which is a really long thirty
Speaker 2: forty fifty feet long sea serpents that has been reported throughout.
Speaker 2: The centuries There's A native american rock Art In washington
Speaker 2: state about the you know. Of this it is a traditional.
Speaker 2: Sea serpent it undulates as. It swims it's got a
Speaker 2: head that looks like. A horse people have reported. Seeing
Speaker 2: it they've also got a picture, of one really corpse.
Speaker 2: OF one i think form back in the nineteen thirties
Speaker 2: was taken out of the belly of a. Sperm whale
Speaker 2: they've got a. Picture one there's a fisherman who claims
Speaker 2: that he, caught one but it was really small and
Speaker 2: he put it back in the water for. Some REASON but,
Speaker 2: i mean there's more, actual evidence you know. The picture,
Speaker 2: you know then there are from a whole lot of other.
Speaker 2: These cryptids so.
Speaker 1: Is it just a big eel or is it something
Speaker 1: else that is that we don't really. Categorize that you're
Speaker 1: using the, term serpent which is kind of, Old school
Speaker 1: but is it an eel with just a. Bigger head
Speaker 1: it's you, KNOW what i haven't done a lot of reading.
Speaker 1: ON eels i don't know how big. They, get, YEAH
Speaker 1: yeah i don't think they get that that.
Speaker 2: Big though.
Speaker 1: Let's Go. To delaware by, the way those of, You
Speaker 1: listening jason has practically a. Through z his other book
Speaker 1: Of The american creatures has probably, got more but he's
Speaker 1: got almost every state has their own creature to.
Speaker 2: Consider Well In Chasing american monsters and the one we're
Speaker 2: Talking About Chasing North, American monsters i've got more than
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty eight monsters in. Each book, oh, wow, wow.
Speaker 1: Wow amazing let's Go. To Delaware Prime hook. Swamp, creature
Speaker 1: uh three, foot, tall long. Spindly legs.
Speaker 2: What is, that right it's it's it's one of Those,
Speaker 2: THAT yeah i, don't know but swamps are great, for monsters. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Great uh this creature was seen by a Woman, named
Speaker 2: helen who didn't give her. Last name she said the
Speaker 2: she and and and her her, her son we Were
Speaker 2: At Prime hook swamp and they saw a creature, that was,
Speaker 2: you know had the face like a pug dog and
Speaker 2: it was about three, feet tall had. Long legs his
Speaker 2: body was tan uh and had, small ears and she
Speaker 2: described its eyes, as angry you know. It was it
Speaker 2: was about thirty Pounds, Maybe okay actually she wasn't in with.
Speaker 2: Her son it was, her daughter. But irrelevant and then
Speaker 2: she saw they stumbled across it and it took off
Speaker 2: into the swamp and she had never seen it before
Speaker 2: and never seen, it since and it's not not been.
Speaker 2: Reported since, you know what could that be a lot
Speaker 2: of these types of sightings could be. A misidentification maybe
Speaker 2: it was just a really. Ugly DOG but.
Speaker 1: I mean, You, wrote jason it, had long, spindly legs
Speaker 1: so it was walking on, two, legs.
Speaker 2: Right Which, Wouldn't, no no it's four? Four?
Speaker 1: Legs oh is its?
Speaker 2: Four?
Speaker 1: Legs, okay yeah so it's more like. A, dog yes.
Speaker 1: Very strange, you know.
Speaker 2: You have a.
Speaker 1: Few illustrations but wouldn't it be amazing if you had
Speaker 1: photographs of each one of? These creatures so.
Speaker 2: That would be that would be, Groundbreaking crazy it would be.
Speaker 1: Totally crazy.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's funny maybe at some point artificial intelligence can take
Speaker 1: your data and all the world's uh information and create
Speaker 1: images of what these creatures. LOOK like.
Speaker 2: I hope, You know i'm sure it could. Be. Done
Speaker 2: now i've tried to stay away FROM. From ai i've
Speaker 2: seen the terminator way too. Many.
Speaker 1: Times yeah, uh Oh, fear margerie come, on, yeah yeah
Speaker 1: all right On. To Kentucky. Spotsville monster this is a
Speaker 1: hairy human like creature.
Speaker 2: That has been, Spotted, Right yeah spotsville is. Really small
Speaker 2: it's about three hundred. Three hundred some, some, people uh
Speaker 2: This the spotsville monster is is. A bigfoot they were
Speaker 2: family Reported the nuntialies reported seeing an eight, foot, tall
Speaker 2: hairy bipedal creature and they Coincided with they lost some of.
Speaker 2: Their livestock they had no idea what happened, to it
Speaker 2: and then, they, figured hey it might have been might
Speaker 2: have been. The monster, but yeah it's behaved like a
Speaker 2: behave like a like a bigfoot thing that we talked
Speaker 2: about earlier about a lot of bigfoot encounters are CORRESPOND with. Ufo,
Speaker 2: sightings yea the same thing. With here so there were
Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of, people, saying hey this,
Speaker 2: might be, you know a monster from, outer space and
Speaker 2: that not only children saw this monster on, their own
Speaker 2: and they said that, it's skinned that its hair, was
Speaker 2: green which you know kind of you know fed the
Speaker 2: maybe is from space space sort. Of.
Speaker 1: Thing wow the books Called Chasy north, american monsters and
Speaker 1: my Guest is Jason. Off it as, we conclude we Get,
Speaker 1: into canada, and again those of you listening over, two
Speaker 1: hundred well two hundred and, fifty creatures we'll call, them
Speaker 1: creatures even though there's all kinds. Of distinctions when We're,
Speaker 1: IN canada i was interested to hear more About the.
Speaker 1: Yukon camel.
Speaker 2: Oh. We're canada you didn't want to Talk About. William, shatner,
Speaker 2: sorry yeah Now the. Yukon camel THIS is i really
Speaker 2: love stories like this because there really were sort of true.
Speaker 1: All Right the.
Speaker 2: Yukon camel gold rush Was, in canada same type of
Speaker 2: gold rush that we had back in you, know what
Speaker 2: it was an eighteen. Forty nine there were, you know
Speaker 2: let's go, go out go out to, you know the
Speaker 2: mountains and look. For, gold well this one man had
Speaker 2: an idea, that is instead of using, Pack horses i'm
Speaker 2: gonna ship Camels to canada because they can carry a
Speaker 2: lot more and if we, find gold they can carry
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 1: More gold oh.
Speaker 2: My god so problem with the camels is they weren't Equipped.
Speaker 2: For canada not just, the cold but their feet were
Speaker 2: not equipped for the type of terrain they'd be. Walking
Speaker 2: on so they were pretty useless to the man and
Speaker 2: they eventually let. Them loose oh and people Reported seeing
Speaker 2: canada camels In the yukon, you know for a, few years,
Speaker 2: but eventually, you know they had to freeze. To death
Speaker 2: but interesting thing there were two species of camels that
Speaker 2: Lived In north america and up in, you know specifically
Speaker 2: Up in canada During. The, pleistocene yeah so we had
Speaker 2: camels Living in canada at. One point so if people
Speaker 2: are reported seeing or may may report, seeing camels, you
Speaker 2: know they might be, you know extant animals that were,
Speaker 2: you know should have died out eleven thousand.
Speaker 1: Years ago THAT'S what i was hoping you were, Gonna,
Speaker 1: say jason that these were relatives from the Early Past
Speaker 1: Seene ice age period that had. Survived, SOMEHOW well i,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of. Like hyenas there Was A
Speaker 2: north american hyena that lived In The united States and
Speaker 2: canada during During The. Ice age we had. The camel
Speaker 2: we've got mastadons that there were a couple of reports
Speaker 2: of mastadons up in the Wilds. Of canada the, you know.
Speaker 2: The thunderbird, you know we had birds that big In
Speaker 2: The united States and canada back During The. Ice age
Speaker 2: and again so much. Unexplored area why couldn't they still?
Speaker 1: Be?
Speaker 2: Around wow?
Speaker 1: So much hey, real quickly and they're gonna let. You
Speaker 1: go devil monkeys Found In, British. Columbia columbia that. Is
Speaker 1: weird well.
Speaker 2: It's weird it's there are devil, monkeys reported uh usually
Speaker 2: around the the east coast of Of The. United states
Speaker 2: and they all kind of fit the, same uh. Same
Speaker 2: profile they look, like baboons, you know with the dog
Speaker 2: like snout and they're really. Really angry they have really huge,
Speaker 2: canine teeth which which. Baboons do and, you know of
Speaker 2: course they're threatening, and PEOPLE like i said With, with
Speaker 2: bigfoot they're not, gonna, say hey let me get a picture.
Speaker 2: Of you they, you know people. Run away but, YOU
Speaker 2: KNOW i i can see maybe some, you know baboons
Speaker 2: at one point got loose from a uh, you know
Speaker 2: a private zoo and, you know had a breeding Population
Speaker 2: in florida or, You Know. South carolina, But, MAN canada i,
Speaker 2: don't know it's a little bit out of. Their, range yeah.
Speaker 1: It's Funny North, american monsters a guide to over two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty Creatures from Greenland. To guatemala and my
Speaker 1: guest Has been Jason. Off it this book comes out.
Speaker 1: First week. It's, great yeah first Week. Of SEPTEMBER but
Speaker 1: i Just. Checked amazon they're taking. Pre orders it's really,
Speaker 1: well written it's really. Well done how can people get ahold?
Speaker 1: Of you do you have?
Speaker 2: A website jasonoffit, dot COM J A S O N
Speaker 2: O F F U t t. Dot com there's links to,
Speaker 2: my books there's links to Articles that, i've written there's
Speaker 2: links to my. Social.
Speaker 1: Media yeah real fun read and real pleasure having you on.
Speaker 1: The program what's the new book coming up in? A
Speaker 1: year what'd you say that?
Speaker 2: Was About it's Chasing The, world's Monsters and i'm hoping it's.
Speaker 2: Volume one.
Speaker 1: Oh, MY god i. Can't, imagine hey real fun having
Speaker 1: you on. The. Program jason thanks for your time and
Speaker 1: much success on this. New release, All, RIGHT cliff i really.
Speaker 2: Appreciate it thanks so much for, the interview, the invitation,
Speaker 2: and yeah this was a lot. OF fun i. Appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I'm SERIOUS when i say that somebody should write a
Speaker 1: book on the unusual humans that have come. And gone
Speaker 1: because we don't see long, hands anymore we don't see,
Speaker 1: practice people we don't see evidence of people who Lived
Speaker 1: in peru And. ANCIENT mexico i mentioned the different races
Speaker 1: that were Among, the maya and it's looking more. And
Speaker 1: more you won't get an anthropologist to, admit this but
Speaker 1: it really does look Like ancient mexico. Was multicultural Because there's,
Speaker 1: African centric, Asian centric. Caucasian people there are unusual beings
Speaker 1: from who, knows where. You know and THAT'S why i
Speaker 1: firmly believe that there's a number of races that have
Speaker 1: died off and we don't know because thousands of years
Speaker 1: ago the environment may have been different than it is
Speaker 1: now and it became too toxic for these. Longheaded people
Speaker 1: these people that were they. Look different it may have had,
Speaker 1: Different anatomy their lungs, were different their organs, Were different
Speaker 1: they processed air and food and water different than, we
Speaker 1: did and so they were not able. To survive and
Speaker 1: so over the years there have been independent studies done on,
Speaker 1: practice people on, unusual Humans and ripley's believe it, or
Speaker 1: not you can go to these. Strange museums there's One In.
Speaker 1: SAN francisco i think there's One In. LOS angeles i
Speaker 1: think there's One In, New, York Manhattan, new york and
Speaker 1: if you go. In there ripley would travel world and
Speaker 1: look for evidence of. Unusual humans he had the tallest
Speaker 1: man in, the world the smallest couple and man in.
Speaker 1: The world but they also had people the, unusual eyes
Speaker 1: unusual multi, six fingers and so forth and, So on
Speaker 1: and he was, an earlier early collector of. Human phenomenon.
Speaker 1: Are freaks you could call, him freaks but that's not
Speaker 1: a great term because obviously if there were a civilization of,
Speaker 1: these beings these, long heads they would be considered a.
Speaker 1: Different CLASSIFICATION so, i mean this is one of these
Speaker 1: things where the universities are choosing not to bother because
Speaker 1: they didn't want to rock. The boat and we've heard
Speaker 1: from a number of authors who believe that there were
Speaker 1: giants in the, ancient period but there are also different
Speaker 1: types of humans thousands of. Years ago so fun To
Speaker 1: have jason on. The program. Good, interview hey we have
Speaker 1: a number of wonderful tours, coming up and one of
Speaker 1: the big ones for the Year Is sacred Temples of
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Speaker 1: A blast, all right that's it for. THIS program i
Speaker 1: want to think my, Guest today Jason off the coming
Speaker 1: to Us. From missouri as always the Team Of, Gail Tour,
Speaker 1: mark Foster And. Fasil parvar you, guys rock, All right
Speaker 1: take care of, you well and we will talk to
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