WEBVTT 1 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:20.000 Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. Hey, 2 00:00:20.079 --> 00:00:22.280 how are you. I hope you're doing well today. This 3 00:00:22.320 --> 00:00:25.679 is Cliff, your host of Destiny, and today it's all 4 00:00:25.719 --> 00:00:31.160 about unusual creatures, hominins, and something that I've been interested 5 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:37.399 in for Jesus decades, which is the classification of hominins 6 00:00:37.399 --> 00:00:44.600 that are not regularly, are not registered by the archaeological community, 7 00:00:45.640 --> 00:00:49.840 but are prominent. And I'm talking about the strange people 8 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:54.640 of Praracice Peru, the various hominins, the various human like 9 00:00:55.200 --> 00:00:59.439 people that lived among the Maya, but are obviously not 10 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:04.359 human in the sense that we understand. No, I actually 11 00:01:04.439 --> 00:01:07.560 say that I should repeat that they were human, but 12 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:09.840 they were of a branch that is not with us 13 00:01:09.879 --> 00:01:13.840 any longer. Either they died out because of environmental conditions 14 00:01:14.599 --> 00:01:18.079 or they were killed off. There was a form of 15 00:01:18.159 --> 00:01:23.000 genocide that was committed. And we've heard about over the 16 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:28.159 centuries different people who were eradicated, and we just never 17 00:01:28.319 --> 00:01:32.239 knew who they were because there's no one to talk about, 18 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:36.840 there's no one to go to and ask about their background. 19 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:44.799 Today it's more about creatures, types of hominins, human like 20 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:50.239 beings who have lived on the earth and who still 21 00:01:50.239 --> 00:01:53.480 may be with us. The book we're talking about today 22 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:57.280 is called North American Monsters, and it has to do 23 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:03.599 with crypto zoology. It has to do with identifying unusual 24 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:12.840 humans like the like the Yetti, the Bigfoot, Luckness Monster, 25 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:20.120 the creatures that have been seen by local villagers or 26 00:02:20.240 --> 00:02:24.719 have been recorded down through history. And at one time 27 00:02:24.759 --> 00:02:27.280 he made a thought of them as a myth, but 28 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:32.360 they have been verified in a number of different settings 29 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:37.159 and chronicled and actually chronicled. And so what makes today's 30 00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:41.360 program interesting for me and I think you as well, 31 00:02:41.560 --> 00:02:46.439 is that my guest has written a very very detailed book, 32 00:02:47.039 --> 00:02:51.159 over two hundred and fifty accounts of these what he 33 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:58.199 calls creatures. I guess that's a set that's fitting for 34 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:02.319 the overall theme. When you're talking about yetis when you're 35 00:03:02.360 --> 00:03:06.159 talking about night crawlers, When you're talking about human like 36 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:09.719 beans who are not seen on a regular basis, I 37 00:03:09.719 --> 00:03:13.280 guess you can classify them as creatures. And the zoological 38 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:17.919 definition is because we have a lot of animal like 39 00:03:18.520 --> 00:03:24.879 beans that are seen in the ocean, where they're seen 40 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:28.719 in lakes, they're seen in trees, they come out at night. 41 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:33.039 Some are very very old. They go all the way 42 00:03:33.080 --> 00:03:38.360 back to the Maya, the Aztec, the toll Tech. They're 43 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:43.280 well and by the way, North America. The monster book 44 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:48.960 starts in Central America, which means that's believes in Guatemala, 45 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:54.680 Honduras and moves in through Mexico. There's the Chupacabra, which 46 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:58.400 has been a fascination of mine for decades. It showed 47 00:03:58.479 --> 00:04:02.439 up in the early nineteen nineties and apparently it's still around, 48 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:06.680 a dog like creature. We moved through Mexico into North America, 49 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:09.960 and today we're going to go through not every single state, 50 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:12.639 we're going to go through a number of states that 51 00:04:12.719 --> 00:04:18.160 have unique creatures that have been chronicled by the local people. 52 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:22.600 In some cases they have been written about, and we 53 00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:25.160 want to know about that. Now. The other thing, and 54 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:29.240 we've talked about this with Patrick Shanard last week. My 55 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:36.759 guest today presents giants, Giants in Mexico, Giants in North America, 56 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:41.920 and giants in Canada. And this is something that we 57 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:46.839 didn't really discuss with Patrick, but we will definitely talk 58 00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:51.240 about this today in the program. So today's program is 59 00:04:52.040 --> 00:04:55.759 Chasing North American Monsters, A guide to over two hundred 60 00:04:55.800 --> 00:05:02.439 and fifty creatures from Greenland to Guatemala. Guest is Jason Affut. 61 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:08.600 I love climbing among the temples and the ancient pyramids 62 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:11.759 of the Maya. We actually have a tour coming up 63 00:05:11.800 --> 00:05:16.199 in Dissemmerates the Sacred Pyramids of Guatemala with my friends 64 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:20.959 doctor Lydia and Arturo di Leong. This is a wonderful 65 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:25.959 twelve day tour of some of the most eclectic sites 66 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:31.560 in Guatemala, including Tikal and Elmador. We all meet together. 67 00:05:31.720 --> 00:05:34.560 This is a chance to not only connect with the 68 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:39.600 pyramids by sitting among them and meditating and also doing ceremony. 69 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:45.519 We will also visit national museums as well as sacred 70 00:05:45.560 --> 00:05:49.319 sites that are typically not available to the general public. 71 00:05:49.399 --> 00:05:52.839 What makes this a really once in a lifetime visit 72 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:56.360 is that we can climb, we can sit, We can 73 00:05:56.560 --> 00:06:01.279 interact with not only pyramids, but temples, sacred sites, and 74 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:05.000 visit some of the most historic sites in the world. 75 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:08.759 For more information and to join us, go to earthacients 76 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:13.240 dot com, forward slash Tours and you'll see the Guatemala banner. 77 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:17.439 We're only taking about twenty people. We're half full, and 78 00:06:17.480 --> 00:06:21.839 so I'm making a special announcement. We're also reminding people 79 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:25.759 that this tour is half the price that normal tours are, 80 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:28.800 and we make sure that we don't skip on anything. 81 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:32.120 We want everyone to enjoy the tour. So it's five 82 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:36.160 star hotels, it is the best food, the best beverages, 83 00:06:36.759 --> 00:06:41.360 and a chance to interact with shaman with a noted 84 00:06:41.959 --> 00:06:46.759 archaeologists in the area. It's a complete tour, and there's 85 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:50.079 an option to go to Elmador with doctor Richard Hansen 86 00:06:50.519 --> 00:06:55.879 on the last day and we'll be helicoptering to Elmiador 87 00:06:56.759 --> 00:07:01.439 and have the opportunity to decline the Ldonta Pyramid. This 88 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:04.399 is a once in a lifetime visit and this is 89 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:07.680 not to be missed. Join us in Guatemala December first 90 00:07:07.720 --> 00:07:10.639 through the twelfth. For more information, go to Earthagents dot 91 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:49.600 com forward Slash Tours. I'm fascinated with a number of 92 00:07:49.639 --> 00:07:52.959 different hominids in the world. It's interesting to note that 93 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:57.439 when we have different authors, different presenters on the program 94 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:01.600 and we talk about these unusual hominis, and I'm considering 95 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:06.519 and I'm categorizing different as the Parakis, people with these 96 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:13.199 very elongated skulls, these unusual people from early Maya gravesites 97 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:16.759 that have a wide cranium, and they don't seem to 98 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:21.079 be categorized, and it's very, very strange, and I almost 99 00:08:21.079 --> 00:08:24.600 wish somebody would break out of their shell and do that. 100 00:08:25.079 --> 00:08:31.480 My guest today is presenting almost a similar series of topics. 101 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:35.000 His book is called North American Monsters. And we do 102 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:37.759 have some hominins in here and some human like creatures. 103 00:08:38.279 --> 00:08:40.200 But let me tell you about my guests. His name 104 00:08:40.279 --> 00:08:48.360 is Jason Offitt. He has written extensively on various creatures. 105 00:08:48.440 --> 00:08:54.679 I guess it's called cryptozoology or cryptoids, which I find fascinating. 106 00:08:55.440 --> 00:08:59.960 And this is a study, a legitimate study of unus 107 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:06.600 usual creatures, but also human like creatures as well. And uh, 108 00:09:06.759 --> 00:09:10.919 John is a he teaches journalism and in uh Missouri. 109 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:16.240 He's He's from Maryland, Maryville, Missouri. He teaches at Northwest 110 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:19.320 Missouri State University. He is an author of four previous 111 00:09:19.360 --> 00:09:24.720 books on paranormal topics, and the book I think before 112 00:09:24.799 --> 00:09:27.919 that was he had a book called American Monsters. This 113 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:31.320 is North American Monsters. So Jason, we want to hear 114 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:34.720 all about this. I'm fascinated in this topic and what 115 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:37.559 got you started in this. What was it, uh, just 116 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:39.919 an article that you wrote or did you just start 117 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:44.000 digging it up? What's the story on this? I? Well, 118 00:09:44.039 --> 00:09:44.559 I got. 119 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:48.679 Interested in uh in in monsters when I was a kid. Well, 120 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:51.240 I got interested. Uh you know, you got the school 121 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:54.480 Scholastic book club order form, you know, in third and 122 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:58.000 fourth grade. You know, friends of mine have been getting 123 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:01.480 you know, biographies on baseball play and i'd get books 124 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:05.120 on Bigfoot. Yeah, so I've been interested for a long time. 125 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:09.000 Grew up watching Leonard nie Moy's In Search of and 126 00:10:10.559 --> 00:10:12.960 any monster movie I could I could get my hands on, 127 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:16.679 I I'd watch. So I've been fascinated in monster about 128 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:18.039 monsters for quite a long time. 129 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:20.919 You know, it's funny, Jason. You have a number of 130 00:10:21.279 --> 00:10:26.240 at least one book that's specifically on Bigfoot, and you've 131 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:30.159 covered bigfoot. And the funny thing about Bigfoot is they're 132 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:33.200 all over the place. They seem to be worldwide, but 133 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:36.919 we've never found or no one's ever captured one. We 134 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:40.879 have no real good footage of one except for some 135 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:46.559 very old old camera footage. What's the deal with that? 136 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:54.960 Well, it the way that I try to tackle this 137 00:10:55.759 --> 00:10:57.799 is one I'm not going to say, I know what 138 00:10:57.840 --> 00:11:00.600 bigfoot is. Anybody who says they know what bigfoot is 139 00:11:01.120 --> 00:11:05.600 doesn't know what bigfoot is. It can be a lot 140 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:09.320 of different things. But I think all the different definitions 141 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:13.080 of bigfoot end up with the same, you know, say, 142 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:18.639 the same couple of similarities, like they're intelligent, okay, so 143 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:22.000 and more intelligent than your your your your average animal. 144 00:11:23.159 --> 00:11:27.879 They're they're human like and then you know the physical characteristics. 145 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:32.440 If they are that intelligent, they can very well hide 146 00:11:32.519 --> 00:11:36.399 from us. They might bury their dead. Is why we 147 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:39.240 haven't been able to find them. Why haven't we, you know, 148 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:46.879 uncovered a Bigfoot skeleton. The majority, there's the majority of 149 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:51.679 North America is empty. It doesn't seem like that, you know, 150 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:53.960 because we've got to you know, we're populated. You've got 151 00:11:53.960 --> 00:11:57.679 people all over the place. But if you're including you know, 152 00:11:57.759 --> 00:12:02.360 you gottata include all of the forests, all of the plains, 153 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:06.720 the mountains, deserts. And that's not just including the United States. 154 00:12:06.720 --> 00:12:12.919 I mean Mexico, mountains, deserts, jungles, Canada, you know, mountains, 155 00:12:14.080 --> 00:12:19.840 tundra and forests all over the place. More than forty 156 00:12:19.879 --> 00:12:26.799 percent of North America is uninhabited. People are you know, 157 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:30.360 people are visitors in most of these places. So if 158 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:35.080 that is where cryptids like Bigfoot have to live away 159 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:38.200 from people, they could bury themselves all over the place 160 00:12:38.279 --> 00:12:41.480 and we never know about it. So I think when 161 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:44.360 it comes to finding a body, that's that's one of 162 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:50.879 the problems about the you know, film about pictures of 163 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:54.559 these things, and this is something a lot of skeptics. 164 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:57.759 And I'm not saying Bigfoot exists one hundred percent. I 165 00:12:57.799 --> 00:13:00.399 think if we do discover any cryptids out there, Bigfoot 166 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:06.440 is gonna be the one. But let's say you're just hiking. 167 00:13:06.559 --> 00:13:09.639 Are you equipped this is before cell phones. Were you 168 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:13.159 equipped to take pictures of things? Probably not unless you're 169 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:16.960 a photographer, Okay, but everybody's got a camera on them. Now, 170 00:13:17.600 --> 00:13:20.919 if you're out in the woods and twenty feet away 171 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:24.360 from you is this eight foot tall, five hundred pound, 172 00:13:25.039 --> 00:13:29.039 you know, hairy creature. What are you gonna do? First? 173 00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:32.600 Are you going to run? Or are you gonna say no, hey, 174 00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:35.440 wait a second, I gotta get my phone out and 175 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:38.600 take your picture. Yes, you're not gonna take the picture. 176 00:13:38.639 --> 00:13:40.879 You're gonna get the heck out of there. So I 177 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:43.200 think there are a lot of reasons that you know, 178 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:46.519 I just mentioned why we don't have We don't have 179 00:13:46.600 --> 00:13:51.799 a big foot yet. I'm there have been reports of hunters. 180 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:55.080 There was a really famous call to Art Bell's show 181 00:13:55.200 --> 00:13:57.679 Coast to Coast of a guy in Texas saying that 182 00:13:57.720 --> 00:14:00.639 he killed one and when he looked and he looked 183 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:03.919 too human, and he thought he'd be convicted for murder, 184 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:05.000 so he just buried it. 185 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:09.159 I actually remember that episode. Yeah, he was freaked out 186 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:12.639 because it looked like he had shot somebody, right, Yeah. 187 00:14:12.399 --> 00:14:14.480 I mean that that could be it. I've heard other 188 00:14:14.559 --> 00:14:17.639 hunters on other shows say I had one in my sights, 189 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:21.039 but it looked like a man. Yeah, So I mean, 190 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:24.360 do we have is there one captured? Who knows? There 191 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:31.600 are reports, of course of the government, you know, capturing bigfoot, 192 00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:33.279 but who in the world knows. 193 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:35.360 One of the things that you bring up that I 194 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:38.639 think needs to be discussed more is the fact that 195 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:41.679 a lot of the references that you're getting are from 196 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:45.440 indigenous people who have lived around a lot longer than 197 00:14:45.480 --> 00:14:51.159 we have, and they talk about sasquatch yety, the Bigfoot, 198 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:56.799 and because they are more in tune with the earth 199 00:14:57.200 --> 00:15:02.399 and nature, they may have interactions and you bring this 200 00:15:02.559 --> 00:15:05.519 up in your book with these different creatures, that the 201 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:08.399 locals who have lived in these areas for thousands of 202 00:15:08.480 --> 00:15:13.559 years live in harmony with these creatures. Where we are, 203 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:16.679 we're like shoot firs, ask questions later. Do you think 204 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:17.720 that has something to do with it? 205 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:22.480 I think absolutely it does. Yes, yes it does a 206 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:25.120 lot of indigenous peoples from from around the world have 207 00:15:25.240 --> 00:15:28.759 not just lived side by side at least have stories 208 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:31.440 of living side by side with these creatures, but even 209 00:15:31.799 --> 00:15:36.120 trading with them. They considered, you know, in a lot 210 00:15:36.120 --> 00:15:39.080 of places, just another tribe of humans. They just happen 211 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:42.960 to be big and hairy. And yes, this is common. 212 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:47.360 I mean bigfoot is has been reported. Bigfoot are a 213 00:15:47.360 --> 00:15:52.240 type of bigfoot, has been reported on every continent but Antarctica. 214 00:15:52.279 --> 00:15:57.279 I mean even in Australia we've got the Yawi, and heck, 215 00:15:57.440 --> 00:16:01.759 Sri Lanka and New Zealand have bigfoots. Big fight Yeah, 216 00:16:01.799 --> 00:16:05.840 so I mean they're they're absolutely everywhere, and yes, absolutely 217 00:16:05.879 --> 00:16:10.240 the indigenous people have reported them for thousands of years. 218 00:16:10.399 --> 00:16:13.519 And this is something that I you know, kind of 219 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:16.720 beat this drum in my book. Why don't we listen 220 00:16:16.759 --> 00:16:20.840 to them? You know, we don't. There have been so 221 00:16:20.919 --> 00:16:28.200 many scientific discoveries of animals over the centuries that if 222 00:16:28.240 --> 00:16:32.159 we would have just listened to the indigenous peoples, they 223 00:16:32.200 --> 00:16:35.840 wouldn't have been a discovery. You know, the mountain gorilla, 224 00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:38.799 the giant pandy, the panda, the ocampe, you know all 225 00:16:38.840 --> 00:16:42.480 of these. The heck, the megamouth shark wasn't discovered until 226 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:45.759 nineteen seventy seven. You know, there are big monsters out 227 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:48.639 there that we just don't know about because we don't listen. 228 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:53.519 You know, it's funny. I wanted to to ask you 229 00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:55.840 real quickly before we jump into some of these creatures. 230 00:16:56.279 --> 00:17:00.480 Cryptozoology is a study. Is that a PhD that people 231 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:03.320 get to become a cryptozoologist. 232 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:06.559 Here's a problem with that. You can anybody can call 233 00:17:06.599 --> 00:17:11.759 themselves a cryptozoologist, don't. I don't call myself one. I'm 234 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:15.359 I'm a writer. I have a journal journalism background, That's 235 00:17:15.400 --> 00:17:17.960 what I teach. I was a reporter and editor for 236 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:23.359 seventeen years ao out working in a newspaper and so yeah, 237 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:25.920 but there's no degree for cryptozoology. 238 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:26.799 Oh interesting. 239 00:17:27.559 --> 00:17:35.440 However, some of the most famous cryptozoologists, like Ivan T. Sanderson, 240 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:44.440 Grover Krantz, they were zoologists. They they had zoology degrees, 241 00:17:44.839 --> 00:17:48.359 and they realized, oh wait a second, there are other 242 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:51.119 animals out there that science doesn't know yet, so let's 243 00:17:51.160 --> 00:17:52.000 go look into those. 244 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:54.880 The reason I'm asking that is the forward is written 245 00:17:54.920 --> 00:18:00.319 by Lauren Coleman, who's the director of International Cryptozoology Museum. 246 00:18:01.160 --> 00:18:03.960 And I have to wonder if there is a branch 247 00:18:04.039 --> 00:18:08.519 of science that is reading your book and going, yeah, 248 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:10.400 I've heard about that. I've heard it as a myth. 249 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:12.839 But wait a minute. We got some hair samples, we 250 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:16.480 have some footprints, we have something, and what why we 251 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:19.359 don't hear more about? And I opened the show with people, 252 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:24.799 these these these civilizations that have passed like the Practice people. 253 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:26.519 I don't know if you've seen the skeleton of a 254 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:30.960 practice human being. They have a cranium that's thirty percent 255 00:18:32.039 --> 00:18:34.279 larger than our own. 256 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:37.759 Does it Does it look like a regular human skull? 257 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:38.680 Or is it? 258 00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:38.759 It? 259 00:18:38.880 --> 00:18:39.119 Does? 260 00:18:39.799 --> 00:18:43.279 It does, but it's elongated and it's not artificially elongated. 261 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:46.160 And this has been the big program. The big problem 262 00:18:46.359 --> 00:18:50.599 is that a lot of archaeologists say, well, they, you know, 263 00:18:50.920 --> 00:18:55.960 did skull deformation as babies and there this is how 264 00:18:56.039 --> 00:19:01.160 they are. But there's whole grave sites of hundreds of 265 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:05.279 these people and from a young age to their elder 266 00:19:05.640 --> 00:19:11.279 elder age, they had elongated skulls. But well, why we 267 00:19:11.359 --> 00:19:13.599 don't well, why we don't study it more. It's just 268 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:15.720 a very very big question. 269 00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:19.599 And and uh, let's go with elongated skull. Well, it's 270 00:19:19.599 --> 00:19:22.680 not really elongated, but it's it's a mouthformed if you 271 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:26.680 if you know, if it's a human skull, Lloyd Pie, 272 00:19:27.079 --> 00:19:30.240 the late Lloyd Pie, uh, and the star Child's skull. 273 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:35.079 It has so many basic differences than a human skull 274 00:19:36.079 --> 00:19:41.319 that I mean, it's like no soft spot, no, uh, 275 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:43.559 you know, I don't remember your sobs. 276 00:19:43.960 --> 00:19:45.880 The sutures are yeah, yeah. 277 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:48.680 The sutures. There's an issue with those. Whatever the knobs 278 00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:50.480 are called in the back of a human skull, it 279 00:19:50.519 --> 00:19:54.000 doesn't have them. Uh. They did science, did it, you know, 280 00:19:54.119 --> 00:19:57.559 DNA test, and it came back as human. Maybe we're 281 00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:01.880 just so closely related to everything that it would come 282 00:20:01.920 --> 00:20:02.519 back human. 283 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:05.880 I saw a look, I saw the scall that Lloyd was. 284 00:20:05.960 --> 00:20:09.599 In fact, I knew Lloyd and I remember that skull. 285 00:20:09.599 --> 00:20:11.319 I never had a chance to handle it, but it 286 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:12.400 was very different. 287 00:20:13.400 --> 00:20:13.799 Uh. 288 00:20:13.839 --> 00:20:17.640 You know, if the thinking was it was part human, 289 00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:20.720 part alien, right, a highbred. 290 00:20:21.920 --> 00:20:27.119 Well, and that's uh, you know that that's something that 291 00:20:27.119 --> 00:20:30.720 that's something that would bring people together as this pieces 292 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:33.720 I think is if we were close enough genetically to 293 00:20:33.799 --> 00:20:38.200 breed with something that wasn't born on Earth, there's a 294 00:20:38.240 --> 00:20:41.559 cosmic connection for you that that would be I think 295 00:20:41.599 --> 00:20:45.119 would bring everybody, to bring everybody together. But I want 296 00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:46.480 to I want to take a step back because you 297 00:20:46.519 --> 00:20:48.920 mentioned Lauren cale Me and he wrote the ForWord. If 298 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:53.519 anybody deserves a crypto zoology degree, it's Lauren. He has 299 00:20:53.599 --> 00:20:58.319 worked ever since he was a teenager on on strange 300 00:20:58.359 --> 00:21:00.400 animals and and he's the one he's the first one 301 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:03.680 who covered the Dover demon back in the nineteen seventies. 302 00:21:03.720 --> 00:21:06.799 He broke that to the press. So he's been busy 303 00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:08.559 with this field for a long time. 304 00:21:09.119 --> 00:21:13.319 Where is the International Cryptozoology Museum where. 305 00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:14.039 It's in the state of Maine. 306 00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:19.480 Oh, it's in the United States. Yeah, fantastic. Before we continue, 307 00:21:19.519 --> 00:21:23.799 I want to ask you what was the criteria? How 308 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:30.279 did you validate these creatures? Was it mythology, sightings, and 309 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:32.400 physical remains or all three? 310 00:21:33.400 --> 00:21:37.559 Yeah? All the above, absolutely, all the above. I tried 311 00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:41.599 not to go too far into mythology, because there are 312 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:45.000 some really weird creatures in mythology, but there are also 313 00:21:45.079 --> 00:21:51.319 some really interesting ones that I included. I prefer to 314 00:21:51.880 --> 00:21:56.960 include monsters that have had eyewitness sightings, you know, people 315 00:21:56.960 --> 00:21:59.599 have seen it, you know, in the lake or you know, 316 00:21:59.680 --> 00:22:03.720 stomp around the world. But there are also some with 317 00:22:04.599 --> 00:22:09.279 you know, physical remains, especially the globsters, which are people 318 00:22:09.400 --> 00:22:12.480 walking down the beach and there's something that was alive. 319 00:22:12.680 --> 00:22:14.279 They just don't know what it was. 320 00:22:15.440 --> 00:22:19.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's amazing. Okay, let's get into it. 321 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:21.960 This book covers all of North America, and I want 322 00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:25.440 to start with Central America. And it's funny because you 323 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:30.359 I'm kind of a Mayanist and I I follow some 324 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:33.119 of the Maya lore, but some of these creatures that 325 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:37.400 you're presenting are very unusual. So let's go to Belize 326 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:41.240 and it's a cis might a big foot like creature, 327 00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:48.160 and according to your research, they are greatly They dislike 328 00:22:48.319 --> 00:22:50.799 men and they actually have killed people. 329 00:22:51.519 --> 00:22:55.559 Right, they dislike men, and this is this is a strange. 330 00:22:57.119 --> 00:23:02.480 This is strange. And a lot of creatures from Central America, 331 00:23:02.599 --> 00:23:06.200 from from the islands of the Caribbean. Uh. A lot 332 00:23:06.200 --> 00:23:10.759 of these creatures have this same uh, the same leg 333 00:23:11.720 --> 00:23:17.039 issue their feet or backward and the system might's feet 334 00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:21.720 are are if I'm remembering that correctly, are backward. And 335 00:23:21.759 --> 00:23:25.160 this is apparently so you can't track one because you 336 00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:26.759 don't know what direction it's going. 337 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:29.000 In, so they're walking on their heels. 338 00:23:29.680 --> 00:23:34.519 Yes, wow, so that is that is that is weird. 339 00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:37.640 I'm not not quite sure why why that is a 340 00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:40.119 popular thing for uh, you know, for a lot a 341 00:23:40.119 --> 00:23:43.000 lot of humanoid todd creatures. But but yeah, that's that 342 00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:47.440 is and a lot of and and the system might 343 00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:50.440 goes into this as well. But there are a number 344 00:23:50.519 --> 00:23:56.160 of forest creatures in this book that generally are aggressive 345 00:23:56.480 --> 00:24:00.160 toward men and not toward women. Uh. And and I 346 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:02.000 have a feeling this has to do with the fact 347 00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:08.440 that in centuries past and still today, honestly, men men 348 00:24:08.440 --> 00:24:11.960 are hunters. Men are men generally are the ones who 349 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:14.680 go in and kill wildlife. They're the ones who go 350 00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:19.880 in and now chop down trees and and harm the forests. 351 00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:22.160 So this is that that that's why the men get 352 00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:26.519 you know, torn apart by this backwards foot bigfoot. 353 00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:31.319 So the systemight, which is a big foot like creatures. 354 00:24:31.319 --> 00:24:34.440 Does that have the other characteristics of being eight foot tall, 355 00:24:35.079 --> 00:24:38.359 four hundred plus pounds and all all, you know, covered 356 00:24:38.359 --> 00:24:38.759 in hair. 357 00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:44.319 Most of these, most of these bigfoot creatures, unless they're 358 00:24:44.680 --> 00:24:47.160 diminutive ones, and there are some of those around the world, 359 00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:50.519 but most of them fit into that, you know, fit 360 00:24:50.559 --> 00:24:53.720 into that same picture. They're you know, between six and 361 00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:56.920 ten feet tall, five and eight hundred pounds and covered 362 00:24:56.960 --> 00:24:59.000 with hair. Wow. 363 00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:03.200 So yes, that's amazing. Now here's one that you list 364 00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:08.960 that it just seems fascinating. It's the shechitah Bee or Bye, 365 00:25:09.640 --> 00:25:14.319 and it's a woman of the night. Uh, and it's 366 00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:19.400 considered a demon. And one of the things I thought 367 00:25:19.480 --> 00:25:24.559 was interesting is it seduces men and sacrifices them. Oh god, 368 00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:27.480 you know, I mean that's like a that's like a 369 00:25:27.519 --> 00:25:32.160 myth like creature, but who knows, could be something more well. 370 00:25:31.960 --> 00:25:34.519 And there are yeah, there are a number of types 371 00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:38.119 to those. Gosh, there were too many for me to 372 00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:40.759 actually remember the name of it. I'm so embarrassed. But 373 00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:44.559 one of them appears as a beautiful woman yeah to 374 00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:49.000 seduce a man and then uh, you know, during the seduction, 375 00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:53.799 she's got a horse's head. You know, there's another one 376 00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:56.279 that that's the same thing that ends up being the 377 00:25:56.319 --> 00:26:00.200 man is you know, he's he's kissing her and all 378 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:03.880 of a sudden, she's a skeleton. And in some cases 379 00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:06.000 they will you know, throw the man off a cliff, 380 00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:09.480 and other other cases they you know, kill them and 381 00:26:09.559 --> 00:26:12.359 leave them for people to find as a warning. Generally, 382 00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:17.160 these men are either drunk or the men are married 383 00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:21.160 and or engaged and cheating on their spouse. So it 384 00:26:21.319 --> 00:26:25.319 is sort of a demonic entity that actually is more 385 00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:29.319 looking out for women because it's taking care of these nasty, 386 00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:30.240 unfaithful men. 387 00:26:31.119 --> 00:26:34.640 Now, is it? Is it this uh, the shechita by 388 00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:37.880 bay that is the one that's ripping the hearts out 389 00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:39.920 of these people too? Uh? 390 00:26:40.119 --> 00:26:42.119 Yeah, I think that's that sounds right, is it? Think? 391 00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:44.480 I think I read that in your paragraph description. I 392 00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:47.000 was like, oh my god, that sounds Aztec to. 393 00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:48.680 Me, very as tech. 394 00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:50.039 Yeah. 395 00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:50.400 Wow. 396 00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:57.519 We go to Guatemala and there's this uh sorcerer goat, 397 00:26:57.759 --> 00:27:03.480 half man, half a goat that you have illustrated in 398 00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:05.839 your book, and I'm like, what the heck is that? 399 00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:12.240 Well? This was Ah, there's a lot of things with animals. 400 00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:18.279 If I'm remembering this correctly. This person, a young man, 401 00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:20.880