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Speaker 1: Is an interesting one for Kamala Harris and her team.

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Is this idea of we're not going back, and it's.

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Speaker 2: Such a.

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Speaker 1: Not just powerful, but empowering statement in so many ways.

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How do you read that language in the elevation of

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this idea we're not going back? What does it mean

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for women, what does it mean for you know, people

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of color across the country, and what does it mean

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largely for the country itself.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think look, I mean the Trump's whole stick

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is that he's going to bring everyone back to the

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nineteen fifties. So and he's been doing that for eight years, right,

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that we're going to go back to make America great

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again again, right right? You know original, But you know

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it's it hearkens back to Charles Lindberg and Ronald Reagan

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used the slogan too, So it is this, you know,

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there was a time in America in life when a

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white man was king. Right, That's really what they're saying

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is you don't want these people coming to our country.

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You don't want women trying to have their fair share,

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you know, you don't want you know, you just want

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to be by virtue of the fact that you're a

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white man gets stuff and and and you know, like

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I think that that was sort of the message. And

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here we have a woman who has I mean that

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video One of my favorite moments is the video that

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the RNC research account tweeted, which was her laughing about

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how you have to if they don't open the doors

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for you, you have to break down the doors, you know,

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if they if they if they don't open the door

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behind them, behind you. And I think she's she's you know,

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she's a historic candidate. She was a district attorney, attorneys general,

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first female attorneys general of the state of California, first,

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you know, second black woman senator ever, right, I mean

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it's crazy, you know, she was the first East Asian

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senator ever. I mean she was a history maker and

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the first female vice president. So I think that, you know,

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you have this one candidate who has this very dark

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vision of bringing America back to the nineteen fifties, ending

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no fault divorce, you know, regulating the birth control pill,

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which has been has approval. Yeah, and you know, wants

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to make it so you can't send metapristone on the mail,

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you know, so that you have the Ten Commandments in

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your schools. I mean, this is really like, you know,

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kind of Christian nationalism sprinkled with nineteen fifties stuff. And

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then you have this other candidate who is just sort

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of breaking down barriers and who really has sort of

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is all about forward motion and has a life that

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was not available to her mother.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting you hit on a number of things

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that strike core words, I think particularly ironic ones when

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you look at and listen to a party that's now

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and again, I'm still a member of this party largely

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because it pisses them off, and it gives me. It

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gives me the power to look them in the eye

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and say they're full of shit, and to call them

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out on it, and it gives me an opportunity to

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wrestle back at some point whatever remnants of of you know,

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traditional Republicanism may exist. But at the same time, it also,

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you know, gives an opportunity to sort of push out

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and make people focus on the fact that a party

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that now is deeming itself the sort of white Christian

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nationalist standard bearer that is all about telling women to

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live by.

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Speaker 2: The Ten Commandments and at the same time.

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Speaker 1: Supporting a governor Gutnaturia candidate in North Carolina, the lieutenant

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governor there, who from a church pulpit says it's a

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time for killing, killing those who disagree with him, killing

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those who, in his view, stand in the way of,

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you know, of pushing out narratives that support women's health

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and reproductive rights, etc. It still amazes me, Molly, how

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much of the country buys, feeds off that problem and

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still will buy those narratives. Which is why I think

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when you look at this race, despite the good momentum

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that's created, that they're still in appeal out in the

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country for that They're still in appeal for Donald Trump

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amongst a lot of Americans, amongst a lot of white

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females who you know, Donald Trump won.

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Speaker 3: Their vote for white women voted for Donald Trump, which is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's in the and that's on the heels

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of acces, Hollywood and all the other things that we

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learned between sixteen and now about this man. What caution

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do you throw up at this point for And I'm

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not going to put this in the context of Democrats

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running the race, but Americans who are who are looking

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to stand and fight on behalf of the country knowing.

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Speaker 2: That on the other side of that fight.

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Speaker 1: Is this this this mindset that says, yeah, you know,

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let's make America great again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I definitely am concerned, and I think

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we all are. I mean, look, the stakes. This is

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not like she's running against Nikki Haley or Mitt Romney

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or someone who's a you know who's who's a respectable

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conservative who will say I lost. We know what Donald

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Trump's going to do if he loses or if he wins,

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He's going to say you want we know. I mean, so,

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other thing is we know what the polls are showing now,

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and she has a lot of momentum, but you and

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I both know that poles have been wrong, and so

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we're really I think that I'm certainly not going to

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feel great until we're in January.

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Speaker 2: So final point, file, as you go. I talked alluded

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Speaker 1: But when you look at the various factions within the

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Democratic Party, they have aligned themselves very well. And I

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know that there was a lot of concern about the

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more progressive members of the party, but Bernie Sanders has

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come out and endorsed you know, Governor Walls AOC I

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believe is done.

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Speaker 2: So the progressive wing of the party seems okay.

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Speaker 1: Again, not saying that that means he is this hard

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left progressive, but what's your take on the coalition, the

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re emergence of the coalitions within the Democratic Party to.

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Speaker 2: A better place to move forward into the fall.

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Speaker 3: Well, Joe Manchin also endorsed him, so he's got and

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Joe Manchin is more than happy to be of pain

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in the butt about stuff, right, so he does not

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you know, he wouldn't just be you know, a lot

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of Democrats you'd say, well, they're just pulling the party line,

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but Joe Manchen has no interest in that. So look,

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he's a very well liked governor with a lot of friends,

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and he's very good at reaching across the aisle, having

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relationships with people. These are the things you want in

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a candidate, and these are the things you want in

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a vice president. Someone who can go I mean, one

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of the great things that Biden was able to do

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was he was able to go down to the Senate

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and make deals and and so I do think it's

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it's quite good. And and I would add that I

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think that I don't know. I mean, I think the

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Progressives have been really good partners with Biden, and they

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have been you know, Biden has done a lot of

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progressive legislation, but they have really had his back. I mean,

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you know, to a fault, right, AOC and Bernie have

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really had his back. I don't you know, this whole

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narrative about how Shapiro was the more centrist, more electrible

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pick never really held water to me because you know,

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and again we talked about this a minute ago, but

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it he really, you know, really, in my mind was

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a question was a choice between someone who comes from

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Philadelphia and is urban versus someone who is sort of

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from rural Minnesota and his more has a sort of

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more farmery situation. So I'd never thought of it as

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sort of left versus right, but I think it's definitely

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being you know, painted that way. I also think that

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I think that he's I think he's also the vice president,

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so he's not the president. You know, he's and as

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you and I both know, like, you don't want a

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vice president who takes you know, where they become the

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, and yeah, exactly note to Trump, you don't

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want a vice president who becomes the story,