Speaker 1: Is an interesting one for Kamala Harris and her team.
Is this idea of we're not going back, and it's.
Speaker 2: Such a.
Speaker 1: Not just powerful, but empowering statement in so many ways.
How do you read that language in the elevation of
this idea we're not going back? What does it mean
for women, what does it mean for you know, people
of color across the country, and what does it mean
largely for the country itself.
Speaker 3: Well, I think look, I mean the Trump's whole stick
is that he's going to bring everyone back to the
nineteen fifties. So and he's been doing that for eight years, right,
that we're going to go back to make America great
again again, right right? You know original, But you know
it's it hearkens back to Charles Lindberg and Ronald Reagan
used the slogan too, So it is this, you know,
there was a time in America in life when a
white man was king. Right, That's really what they're saying
is you don't want these people coming to our country.
You don't want women trying to have their fair share,
you know, you don't want you know, you just want
to be by virtue of the fact that you're a
white man gets stuff and and and you know, like
I think that that was sort of the message. And
here we have a woman who has I mean that
video One of my favorite moments is the video that
the RNC research account tweeted, which was her laughing about
how you have to if they don't open the doors
for you, you have to break down the doors, you know,
if they if they if they don't open the door
behind them, behind you. And I think she's she's you know,
she's a historic candidate. She was a district attorney, attorneys general,
first female attorneys general of the state of California, first,
you know, second black woman senator ever, right, I mean
it's crazy, you know, she was the first East Asian
senator ever. I mean she was a history maker and
the first female vice president. So I think that, you know,
you have this one candidate who has this very dark
vision of bringing America back to the nineteen fifties, ending
no fault divorce, you know, regulating the birth control pill,
which has been has approval. Yeah, and you know, wants
to make it so you can't send metapristone on the mail,
you know, so that you have the Ten Commandments in
your schools. I mean, this is really like, you know,
kind of Christian nationalism sprinkled with nineteen fifties stuff. And
then you have this other candidate who is just sort
of breaking down barriers and who really has sort of
is all about forward motion and has a life that
was not available to her mother.
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting you hit on a number of things
that strike core words, I think particularly ironic ones when
you look at and listen to a party that's now
and again, I'm still a member of this party largely
because it pisses them off, and it gives me. It
gives me the power to look them in the eye
and say they're full of shit, and to call them
out on it, and it gives me an opportunity to
wrestle back at some point whatever remnants of of you know,
traditional Republicanism may exist. But at the same time, it also,
you know, gives an opportunity to sort of push out
and make people focus on the fact that a party
that now is deeming itself the sort of white Christian
nationalist standard bearer that is all about telling women to
live by.
Speaker 2: The Ten Commandments and at the same time.
Speaker 1: Supporting a governor Gutnaturia candidate in North Carolina, the lieutenant
governor there, who from a church pulpit says it's a
time for killing, killing those who disagree with him, killing
those who, in his view, stand in the way of,
you know, of pushing out narratives that support women's health
and reproductive rights, etc. It still amazes me, Molly, how
much of the country buys, feeds off that problem and
still will buy those narratives. Which is why I think
when you look at this race, despite the good momentum
that's created, that they're still in appeal out in the
country for that They're still in appeal for Donald Trump
amongst a lot of Americans, amongst a lot of white
females who you know, Donald Trump won.
Speaker 3: Their vote for white women voted for Donald Trump, which is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's in the and that's on the heels
of acces, Hollywood and all the other things that we
learned between sixteen and now about this man. What caution
do you throw up at this point for And I'm
not going to put this in the context of Democrats
running the race, but Americans who are who are looking
to stand and fight on behalf of the country knowing.
Speaker 2: That on the other side of that fight.
Speaker 1: Is this this this mindset that says, yeah, you know,
let's make America great again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I definitely am concerned, and I think
we all are. I mean, look, the stakes. This is
not like she's running against Nikki Haley or Mitt Romney
or someone who's a you know who's who's a respectable
conservative who will say I lost. We know what Donald
Trump's going to do if he loses or if he wins,
He's going to say you want we know. I mean, so,
I I do think it's really scary. And then the
other thing is we know what the polls are showing now,
and she has a lot of momentum, but you and
I both know that poles have been wrong, and so
we're really I think that I'm certainly not going to
feel great until we're in January.
Speaker 2: So final point, file, as you go. I talked alluded
to it before I spoke a little bit about it.
Speaker 1: But when you look at the various factions within the
Democratic Party, they have aligned themselves very well. And I
know that there was a lot of concern about the
more progressive members of the party, but Bernie Sanders has
come out and endorsed you know, Governor Walls AOC I
believe is done.
Speaker 2: So the progressive wing of the party seems okay.
Speaker 1: Again, not saying that that means he is this hard
left progressive, but what's your take on the coalition, the
re emergence of the coalitions within the Democratic Party to.
Speaker 2: A better place to move forward into the fall.
Speaker 3: Well, Joe Manchin also endorsed him, so he's got and
Joe Manchin is more than happy to be of pain
in the butt about stuff, right, so he does not
you know, he wouldn't just be you know, a lot
of Democrats you'd say, well, they're just pulling the party line,
but Joe Manchen has no interest in that. So look,
he's a very well liked governor with a lot of friends,
and he's very good at reaching across the aisle, having
relationships with people. These are the things you want in
a candidate, and these are the things you want in
a vice president. Someone who can go I mean, one
of the great things that Biden was able to do
was he was able to go down to the Senate
and make deals and and so I do think it's
it's quite good. And and I would add that I
think that I don't know. I mean, I think the
Progressives have been really good partners with Biden, and they
have been you know, Biden has done a lot of
progressive legislation, but they have really had his back. I mean,
you know, to a fault, right, AOC and Bernie have
really had his back. I don't you know, this whole
narrative about how Shapiro was the more centrist, more electrible
pick never really held water to me because you know,
and again we talked about this a minute ago, but
it he really, you know, really, in my mind was
a question was a choice between someone who comes from
Philadelphia and is urban versus someone who is sort of
from rural Minnesota and his more has a sort of
more farmery situation. So I'd never thought of it as
sort of left versus right, but I think it's definitely
being you know, painted that way. I also think that
I think that he's I think he's also the vice president,
so he's not the president. You know, he's and as
you and I both know, like, you don't want a
vice president who takes you know, where they become the
story
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, and yeah, exactly note to Trump, you don't
want a vice president who becomes the story,