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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big

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Fight Weekend. Now here is your host, DJ Leaves.

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Speaker 2: All right, we get ready for well, let's just be honest,

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another light weekend.

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Speaker 1: What is going on here?

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Speaker 2: I know what's going on actually, but it's really only

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mainly one card with one name of note. We've already

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talked about some Danny Garcia.

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Speaker 1: He is back.

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Speaker 2: He is fighting in his farewell to Brooklyn fight this weekend,

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and we're ready to talk a little bit about that

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from Swift Promotions and the Barclays Center. Oh, we have

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the WBOS interim heavyweight champ Joseph Parker on the podcast

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with Dan in a few stand by for that, lots

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of other fight news. It is the Big Fight Weekend preview.

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I am the somewhat competent host TJ Reeves, a not

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so surly Dan Rayfield in a particularly good mood. Here

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our insider fight freaks unite the substack and the newsletter.

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Speaker 3: Ow dare you? I am in a good mood?

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Speaker 2: I said, not so surly, you're sort of in a

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good mood. Good to be back with you. They need

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to be on the substack, they need to be on

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the newsletter. They can be with us here on the pod.

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Make sure that you rate us, review us, sign up, subscribe,

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as well for other content. People are frequently contacting us saying, hey,

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we miss you guys doing the weekly bet Us show.

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I will tease we may be back in November doing

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another handicapping show.

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Speaker 1: We were on every Friday.

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Speaker 2: If you don't know with them talking boxing, but it's

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not as if Raphael were not on. On the YouTube page,

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they can come watch us till their heart's content.

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Speaker 1: Talking about nostalgic fights.

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Speaker 2: I again plug and promote the Mark Krigel interview about

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the new Mike Tyson book that he wrote Baddest Man.

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We had a great long conversation with him, and as

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the fights get bigger and more important, we'll probably do

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some more live pre fight and post fight stuff on

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the channel. Right now, now, it's lean, my friend. It's

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like Sahara Desert.

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Speaker 3: It is, it is. It's not good.

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Speaker 2: We're working with what we have. All of that said

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Joseph Parker. Coming up on deck, here's the Danny Swift

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fight card that is this weekend Barclay Center in Brooklyn

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against Daniel Gonzalez again. You interviewed him, We've played the

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interview on the pod, we've had it on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Fight Weekend. He's here, so tell me a little more

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about this.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's like you said, it's a it's a pretty

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light weekend because besides this, there's really there's no other

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real fight of consequence on Saturday. There's a small sort

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of prospect oriented card that Mattroom has on Friday. But

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you know, Danny Garcia, he is. He is a big name.

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As Danny and I spoke about on that interview that

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you're referenced. He fancies himself as a as a Hall

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of famer. I think he has a good argument. I

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think he'll be on the ballot. I think he'll get

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some support. I think his career, you know, was excellent.

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He might get in the Hall of Fame. Two division

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world champ, legit the man at one for a period

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of time one a Walterway title, has a great resume,

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has beaten some top guys, lost some close fights the

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top guys, and was one of the things, to his credit,

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never ducked anybody, fought everybody was wanting to fight. Whoever,

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now he hasn't fought in a while. It's been since

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September of last year. That was his ill fated attempt

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to win a middleway title against Aris Londi Lara. He

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moved up. He's been fighting over the last little bit,

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or really just one fight before that at one fifty four.

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This was a slightly over that limit into the technically

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into the middleway division, but Lara was too much for him,

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too much skill. He just didn't have it that night.

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He got pummeled and knocked out in the ninth round,

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and he decided, you know what, I want to make

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the comeback. I want to give it another go. As

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you mentioned, he's calling this the farewell to Brooklyn. We

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talked about it on the interview. He said, it's the

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farewell to Brooklyn because Brooklyn is where he made some

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of his biggest fights. At Barclay Center, he opened the

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building with the great knockout in the rematch against Eric Morales.

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He had a number of his major fights in that building,

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and he also had some of his biggest losses in

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that building. Although tremendous battles and excellent fights against the

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likes of Keith Thurman and Sean Porter, a lot of

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people thought he won the fight with Keith Thurman. So

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he said eighty five percent. I'm done, as he said

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the fifteen percent. We'll see how it goes. If I

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look good, if I feel good, if there's suddenly I'm

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getting phone calls? What sure?

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Speaker 2: Educated hunch on how he's going to Look? What do

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Speaker 3: Well, look, you can only go by what he says.

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He says, in better shape and better condition and better

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frame of mind than the Laara fight. Well, you know,

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taking that as word. He's always to me anyway've been

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an honest fight. By the way, he's also the opponent

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has a lot to do with it.

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Speaker 2: True, and he said to you, and he's battled mental

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health issues as well, and he's been very open about

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that and talking about pushing through and being an inspiration

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to others. We don't know about any of that around this,

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but you make a good point on the opponent. It's

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an opponent in a situation set up for if he

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is in good shape and because he should look good,

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but we don't.

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Speaker 3: Know right this is this is I mean, no, I'm

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not trying to knock Daniel Gonzalez, who is his New

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York based opponent, but He's not on the same level

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as Arislandi Lara and Errol Spence and Keith Thurman and

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Sean Porter and Lucas Matisse and Amir Khan and Robert

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Guerrero and and and Zab Judah and Pauly Mallinaji and

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all the quality fighters that he has faced throughout his career.

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I mean, Danny has fought a litany of top notch fighters.

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So the way he looked against Arislani Laura, if on

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that night he was facing Dangel Gonzalez, maybe we're talking

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about a win. Obviously, not every single fight a guy

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has is going to be against the number one guy.

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It's certain, you know that you're obviously gonna have a

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guy that's the big favorite. He's it's his promotion, you know,

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he wanted to promote his own last fight. It's his company,

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Swift Promotions, which has signed or working with some younger

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fighters and that they're populating this, uh, this card. Although

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not in fights that we would necessarily speak about, but

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in Gonzales, his guy that Danny had sparred with years

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ago and you know, gave him good work, I guess,

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and you know is a guy that is durable He's

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only been stopped once in four losses. He's twenty two

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to four with a draw. This is not an old

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shot guy. This is just a guy that never got

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to a certain level. And he's moving up in weight

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from welterweight into the junior midweight division. So obviously the

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deck is sort of stacked against him. But the point

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that Danny made, which I took to heart, was you

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know what if I don't have it and he wins,

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you know, this is a good guy. He gets to

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make his name off my name, and you know, you know,

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obviously Danny wants to win, but he wouldn't be The

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most unhappy guy is if if in the process of losing,

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it was able to boost the career of Daniel Gonzalez.

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So the main thing is this, Look, it's not going

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to do a huge crowd, it's not going to do

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big pay per view numbers. It's not a streaming thing

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called millions dot co. I'm not even sure, frankly, how

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to find that or how much they're charging for it.

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I'ven't investigated it just yet.

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Speaker 2: You've said on more than one occasion, I'm hesitant to

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maybe give my credit card to that.

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Speaker 1: Yes see, we'll see how many people will.

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Speaker 3: The point though, is for Danny's from Danny's perspective, because

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of the career he's had, he deserves us to have

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a few minutes to talk about what he is looking

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at as a probable farewell fight. As we've discussed, he

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has a young family, newborn daughter, other businesses he's involved in.

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He's made tremendous money throughout his career, and he's always

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been a good guy. So he's going in the ring.

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He wants to, you know, walk away with his hand

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raised like every fighter does. And if this is the

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end of the line for Danny Garcia, you know, we'll

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we'll have a chance to take into account his career,

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hopefully a few years from now when he appears on

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that Hall of Fame ballot. But in the meantime, he's

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got an opportunity to potentially walk away with a victory

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in front of whatever fans do show up in an

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arena that he has called this second home. He is

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seven and two in that arena. He's looking to go

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eight and two, ten, ten main event fights in that building.

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The loss is only to Sean Porter and Keith Thurman.

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Outstanding fights that Derman fight super close, porter fight close.

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Good luck to him.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: So again that is Saturday, and that fulfills what we

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try to do every week with the preview. So let's

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get to it, shall we, Because not this weekend, but

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coming up October the twenty fifth, a week from Saturday,

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at the Two Arena in London, it is Joseph Parker

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and Fabio Wardley for the interim WBO Heavyweight title. A

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real risk for Parker. You're going to talk to him

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about that. Dan just recently spoke with him. Let's hear

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that conversation right now.

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Speaker 3: Well, it is my distinct pleasure to be joined today

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by the WBO interim heavyweight Champion, Joseph Parker and Joe.

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You have a very important fight coming up. You'll be

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taking on Fabio Wardley. Really interesting match up, at least

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to me anyway. It is October twenty fifth. You're headlining

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the Queensberry Do his Own pay per view card take

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place at the Two Arena in London, one of the

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great arenas in boxing. Welcome to the show. Glad to

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talk to you again. Hi, how's everything going? You just

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told me before we started taping. You've been in Ireland

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five and a half weeks getting ready with your trainer,

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Andy Lee for this big.

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Speaker 4: Fight on that Good to see you again. I've been

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around in the training for five and a half weeks

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to Andy, and we've been being able to put in

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some good work to lead into this fight. I know

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it's one of those fights where I never even saw coming.

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You know, I was thinking about fighting this person and

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that person, but then this fight was offered to me.

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I said yes straight away because I just wanted to fight.

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Speaker 3: Well. The Joseph Parker that I have known and covered

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for many years has never been a guy that's turned

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fighters down, and which brings me to the first thing

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I want to ask about, which is to just go

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back to your most recent fight that took place in February.

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You were, of course scheduled to fight Daniel Dubois challenge

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him for the IBF heavyweight title. That was a pretty

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big fight, and he pulled out the week of the fight,

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said he was ill and instead and we spoke before

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that fight. We did one of these interviews before that

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and then it ended up changing the opponent right before

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the fight. But anyway, you took on Martin Boccoli in

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a fight that was arranged at about what two or

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three days noticed, and he flew in at the last

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minute from where he was in Africa, and I mean

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that's difficult for both guys. You know, him coming in

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on short notice, You're having to change your thoughts from

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a Duoir fight to what the Martin McAuley fight. Totally

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different kind of guys. Can you just give me a

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little bit of insight into how you approached the change,

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especially on such short notices, both physically, if anything, and mentally.

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Speaker 4: You know, Dan like leading into that fight with Danie

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Dubois and heading to the press conference, we found that

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on social media that he was ill, and we found

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out on our way to the press conference at the

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fight with Daniel Daniel dubau wasn't going to ahead. So

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the last minute change, obviously grateful to Martin Bacauley were

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putting up his hand. And I mean as soon as

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Danie Dubar pulled out, I saw tweets on Twitter saying

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Martin is ready and Martin will take the fight. And

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so we're just looking through the list of who I

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wanted the Martin Bacauley because I knew how tough he was,

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but I didn't know that what his preparation was, or

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if he was training, or where he was in the world.

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I just thought, you know what, I've had great spiring

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of him and went back and forth and I just

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love to fight him, and you know, he flew in

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and my mindset at the time was I don't care

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who I fight. I've been preparing for the champions with

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Dan Dubois. I just need someone to be in front

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of me so I can, you know, let my hands go.

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So that was the mindset. I wasn't really worried about

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who it was.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so I get turned out maybe he wasn't an

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ideal condition because it was on such short notice, he

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wasn't in a full training camp. But I don't think

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that can take anything away from you going in there

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with such a big man and not just winning, but

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doing so very emphatically. Is stopping him big knockout in

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the second round. So some people will say, well, you know,

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short notice, he wasn't ready, so of course Joseph was

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able to beat him pretty easily. On the other hand, hey,

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Mark mcoley's a tough dude. No matter whether he's in

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training or not. He's a big man. He's got a

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big punch. How do you assess your performance? And given

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the circumstances, Given the circumstances, I was just.

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Speaker 4: I was just I was thrilled to have an opponent

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and thrilled to finish the fight how it did, and

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just always listened that after the fight he was okay,

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make sure that that he was you know, he went

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back home to his family, but he was. He was

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well paid, and you know, but it was one of

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those things where I at the time, I just didn't

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didn't really care who to fight because I was I

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was preparing for the champions of the world, and I

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was ready to go. Uh and so as I assisted

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the performance, uh good, good to get the win, but onto.

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Speaker 3: The knicks right, well, onto the next I mean you

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were you know, you were challenging Duba for the IBF title,

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but when the fight was changed, you then were defending

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your WBO interim title, which puts you in position where

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next up was supposed to be Alexander Usik, who was

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allowed to face Daniel Dubi, who, by the way, got

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sick and then suddenly finds himself in that fight. Some

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people suggest that maybe belled on you so as not

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to possibly blow the fight with Usak. But that's I

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guess a conversation for another day. In any event, uh,

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you know he he fought the rematch with Usik, and

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Usik knocked him out very emphatically once again and again.

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Joseph Parker supposed to be next up. He says he's

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got some nagging injuries, a back injury put in for

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an exception with the w BO to sort of put

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off the mandatory leaves you in a position where you

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can either sit and wait or you can go out

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there and fight like you're gonna do on October twenty fifth.

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You know to me anyway, Joe, and I don't think

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I'm in the minority here that you clearly deserve a

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heavyweight championship fight with the way that you've been fighting

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over your last several bouts. Did you think about waiting

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for him and like what was your mindset about? Like, Okay,

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you know what, I'm not gonna get him right away.

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He's gonna be out for a while, So I want

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to just I want to fight. And you know, now

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you've got a very tough looking opponent and wardly in

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front of you.

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Speaker 4: My mindset again off of the fight with Martin Bacaudi.

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I went back to New Zealand with George Lockott and

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we're training. I thought I'd be in the Jena for

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two or three months, building await, building on on the

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weights and the running and a little bit boxing here.

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It did, but I never thought it was going to

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be there until Agus, you know, so I thought, you know,

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I thought I was gonna fight in July, then push

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out to August, Tim and Elf Tava.

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Speaker 3: So did you think it was gonna be Usik or

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somebody else?

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Speaker 4: I thought no. I instructed the team, please lock in

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the five musick and when when? When the months are

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going by, days and weeks and the months. I just

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looked to myself, you know what stuff this? I just

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want to fight, give me anyone and everyone.

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Speaker 3: So once again you're you're waiting for Usik, but you

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obviously have a very tough uh nutt in in front

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of you in terms of Fabio Wardley. One thing I

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really before you get to the wordly fight, when you

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were looking to get to fight with Usik, I mean,

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I follow you on social media. You do these amazing

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videos where you called them out with the music and

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really hilarious with your messages. I think the fans really

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like the way that you do that. That's you don't

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insult your opponents. There's no bad words. They're all in

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good humor, great music, Hilaria. You've done them for other fights. Also,

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I've seen your wife in some of your videos. I

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think i've seen your kids in videos. How does how

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did you come up with that sort of creative thing

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to do that? Because I have to say, of all

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the guys out there who are at the top level

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of boxing, you have the most entertaining call outs of

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anybody I've ever seen.

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Speaker 4: You know, I would love to take credit for it,

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but there's a guy named Kirie Russell on my team

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and then started off when we had the lockdown. It

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was COVID lockdown and it was in my bubble, and

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what we wanted to do was just cheer on up.

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And we just found found something that I love to do,

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was re enact movies and do these dance clips and

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video clips and singing, just thinking hilarious as a fighter.

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As a fighter, like you're spending some of your family,

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You're worried about the training, You're worried about getting stronger,

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getting feather, getting sharp, but then having something else like this,

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I was just like, you know what, this is fun.

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Let's keep doing more and more. And it's just nice you.

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Speaker 3: You seem to me anyway, as of all the fighters

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I talked to and cover and interview and write about

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and everything, that you approach everything. I know this is

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serious business, a lot of money at stake, there's obviously

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people's health at stake, But you seem to approach your events,

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your fights, everything with a certain sense of joy that

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I just don't see, frankly in a lot of other

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fire Do you am I wrong? Do you really seem

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to enjoy like the whole spectacle, the whole spectacle of

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the whole thing.

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Speaker 4: I enjoy earthing. I just say before that what I

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can control is what I'm gonna you know, like things

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about fighting using that I couldn't. I couldn't control that.

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I know Usik was injured and there was a few

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things happening behind the scenes, but I couldn't control that.

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My approach was, you know what, I'm just gonna enjoy

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everything that I can control, the training, the videos, the

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preparing now now preparing for October twenty five februy. Wardly,

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I think time is precious as times too show to

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be in some sort of mood. You just gotta I

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don't know. I have my family with me here in Eil,

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and I'm just I'm happy, you know, I'm happy the

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best of both worlds. I got my team here, I

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got my family up the road, five six minutes up

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the road. I can see them every day. I'm just

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life is very good and very very beautiful.

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Speaker 3: That's great because sometimes guys they go and they lock

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themselves away and they're not with their family, their wife,

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their kids and other people and there and yeah, yeah,

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I've done that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I feel that this approaches a lot bitter

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and a lot more because I'm not worried about them

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back in New Zealand. I can see them every day

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and i can see them grow, you know, And when

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you're missing out eight weeks with ten weeks at a time,

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it's just too long.

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Speaker 3: I just feel like you are not that you're the

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only one, but you got a real maturity about you

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in terms of the way you handle things like you

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should be as a grown as a grown man. You

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should be able to handle your job, which is the train,

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and be ready for your fights as well as see

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your family. Just because you see your family, you shouldn't

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make you not as focused or.

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Speaker 4: I do know, like less than in the past. But

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these she locked themselves away, flight to different countries and

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and be and and and for some fighters it does

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work for them. But I've done I've done both, and

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I feel like being close to the family, have them

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close to me. It's way bitter for me and my

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mind and uh, and it's just not the time is

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too short. Let's just enjoy every day together.

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Speaker 3: So you are on an excellent run. You've been pretty

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active relatively speaking. You've won six fights in a row,

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your last three against you know, quality top names and Macauli.

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We just talked about, uh, the decision with victories against

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us and also against Deontay Wilder, and that's in your

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last three fights. I'm not sure there's a heavyweight on

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a better run in terms of their last three bouts

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than that. Are you the most deserving heavyweight in the

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world of a shot at Alexander Usik?

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Speaker 4: For me, yes, I feel and I believe that I

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deserve the shot Alexander Yusik. But then listen again, there's

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also other people who feel like they deserve it. And

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others who think someone else deserves Another person would be

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ky Bayou, who's put on good performances as well, So

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he's another fighter who deserves big fights. But I do

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feel that with the fights that I've had and I

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can only fight who's in front of me, I believe

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that I should be given an opportunity to face someone

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like Alexander Yusick, who is like a great and this

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generation as a fighter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying that that you're the

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only one that deserves a shot, and I agree with

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you about kaby Yo. I just think that Joe Parker

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deserves it more than anybody else right now, given what

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you've given to the sport. You've been a pass champion,

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you are on a great run, You entertain the fans, Yeah,

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all the things that go into HI.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I do believe that I should get the shot

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of U Sick. And this fight with Fabian Warley, uh,

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you know, the outcome will get me closer to that

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fight Al Fusik.

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Speaker 3: So Fabia Wardley. He's not on a pretty good run himself.

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He's you know, he had a nice knockout that at

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the time was sort of perceived as a fifty to

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fifty fight against said Delia. That was a Saudi Arabia fight.

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He had the it was a tremendous battle. It was

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a draw. But against Frederi Clark, super entertaining fight of

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the year. Came back in the rematch, drilled him in

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the first round. Spectacular performance and that and then uh

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some drama in his last fight, way behind on the

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scorecards against Justice Hooney. I know you're awfully familiar with

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coming from the same part of the world as as

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both of you guys do. And he rallied for that

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big one punch knockout, so he's he's done some things off.

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So he picked up an interim title as well of

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the WBA. How do you feel like you match up

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with him? He's got big punch, He's a big man also, uh,

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not as much pro experience as you at the high,

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bighest level. So how do you look at this matchup? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I see him as a you know, another fighter who's

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who's got a big right hand. I know, and I'm

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not just going to look at his last fight and think,

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you know what, he was down on the cars and

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you just have to avoid his right hand when you

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look at it like you said you named the David

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Adelaide fight and you named the Phraser clerk. So each

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fight presents a different sort of task and challenge, you know.

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And I think with him, he's young, he's fresh, he's

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got his own goals, he's determined, he carries a power

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all the way through. So these are there's a different

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challenge with someone like Jiang or Pacoli, Kim last Min.

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And also, while I could have really land something, I

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just have to be on my game and use my experience.

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And I've been in the game longer than he is,

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so I feel like the experience part is gonna uh yeah,

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pay pay a lot of benefits.

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Speaker 3: Well, when I look at the matchup, I see I

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see a Joseph Parker that is more versatile than Fabia.

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Worldly he's got obviously, as you mentioned, he's got a

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tremendous right hand, can knock out anybody. He's one of all

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of his fights by knockout except for one of his victories.

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But do you see it that way that if you

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can somehow negate or avoid or just you know, not

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take the full brunt of the right hand, that that

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puts you in a position where you could do a

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lot of things, whether it's use your jab or out

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box or use your movement.

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Speaker 4: I do feel like I have a lot more whippons

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in my and offer a lot more. You know, what's

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the experience and all the whippons that I do have

475
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,559
and combinations and knowing went too far at time and

476
00:21:25,599 --> 00:21:28,079
everything I do. If I can avoid his right hand

477
00:21:28,079 --> 00:21:29,920
and land all the shots that I want, and it's

478
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,680
all about practicing it now, Andy Lee, you know, the

479
00:21:31,759 --> 00:21:34,920
combinations on the pads, on the spying partners, I think

480
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,000
will be too much for him.

481
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 3: So you're headed back for this fight. It's gonna be

482
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,680
at the O two arena, as I mentioned, has hosted

483
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,440
many many big fights through the years. You've this will

484
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,160
be your second fight there. Your your only other fight

485
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,359
that took place. There was a great fight against Dylan White,

486
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,200
but you came up short. You lost that decision. Very

487
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:56,000
close fight, tremendous battle. Any any hesitation about going back,

488
00:21:56,079 --> 00:21:58,880
not not that that arena specifically, but just going back

489
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,200
and fighting on Worldy's turf. You know, you're the guy

490
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,640
coming from the other country to fight in his home,

491
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:06,920
home town, but his home his home fans.

492
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 4: Basically, this is like a venue redemption fight for me, okay,

493
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,319
but then also, like you know what I'm for. Somebody

494
00:22:14,319 --> 00:22:17,559
comes from New Zealand, five million people, come from samow

495
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,200
with you know, a few hundred thousand people, and then

496
00:22:20,279 --> 00:22:22,279
the love that we've been getting in the UK and Ireland.

497
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,759
I do believe that even though it's Faber Walley's hometown.

498
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,359
But I've been sort of adopted in the in the

499
00:22:28,599 --> 00:22:30,920
you know, in the UK boxing scene, and I will

500
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,559
have great support myself, So you know, the buzz is

501
00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:36,039
going to be great, the ad this is gonna be get.

502
00:22:36,039 --> 00:22:38,000
I feel like it's gonna be literric and I'm gonna

503
00:22:38,039 --> 00:22:39,920
feed off there. I want to feed off the electric

504
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,440
crowd that's going to be on the ninth. Yeah, you

505
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:43,880
have a big game in the UK, no doubt. I mean,

506
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,039
obviously your fight with Anthony Joshua was a huge event.

507
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,160
Eighty thousand or whatever. They drew there and you have

508
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:49,640
fought their plenty of time. So I can see that

509
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,400
you have in some folks cheering for sure. What I

510
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,599
wonder though, is if all goes well for you and

511
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,680
you come out with the with the victory, how how

512
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:02,119
do you and your team go about pressing the situation

513
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:03,559
to get who sick in the ring with you. I

514
00:23:03,559 --> 00:23:06,640
mean that's that's you are mandatory the WBO, I think

515
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,000
based on everything they have said, Uh for them anyway,

516
00:23:10,279 --> 00:23:11,839
he's either got to fight you or he's not gonna

517
00:23:11,839 --> 00:23:14,839
be WBO champion anymore. Yeah, So as soon as the

518
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,519
fight's done, the team knows what they have to do

519
00:23:16,839 --> 00:23:20,359
to press for that fight. You know, Queensberry obviously winning

520
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,240
a fight in Queensberry day, I think it. Spencer Brown

521
00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:24,039
Day know what they need to do to make this happen.

522
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,240
Otherwise Usik has to give up the belt. So I

523
00:23:27,279 --> 00:23:29,920
think there's a there's a lot more you know, this fight,

524
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,839
Get this fight done and there's a lot more I

525
00:23:32,839 --> 00:23:35,880
would say stricter for for for you sick and.

526
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 3: When we get another video of you doing the call

527
00:23:37,759 --> 00:23:38,319
out if you win.

528
00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, those videos and know those videos are never gonna start.

529
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,519
They're fun to do, love to look back on it. Listen,

530
00:23:45,559 --> 00:23:47,519
it's a good laugh too. There's a lot of bloopers

531
00:23:47,519 --> 00:23:49,119
which will probably play play one day.

532
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,079
Speaker 3: That will be a lot of fun. All right, Well

533
00:23:51,079 --> 00:23:53,200
bloopers aside, you got to get ready for the fight

534
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:54,400
before you can think of it was sick, so I

535
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,400
wish you nothing but the best against Fabio. Wordley once again,

536
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,119
October twenty fifth, found his own pay per view at

537
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,960
the O two Arena in London. Joseph, it's always a

538
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,079
pleasure to talk to you. I really appreciate it. Good luck,

539
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:05,759
thank you, good to see you.

540
00:24:05,799 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 2: Then, so several times we've talked in and around about this,

541
00:24:10,319 --> 00:24:11,960
and now it's about to be here. It's about to

542
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,599
be fight week next week. This is a risk, and

543
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:19,079
it's a legitimate risk because on the one hand, Wardly,

544
00:24:19,079 --> 00:24:21,480
I mean, granted, if you're the world champion of one

545
00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:23,680
of these organizations, you're gonna have to fight tough fighters

546
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,359
at some point, presumably allegedly, so you're gonna have to

547
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:32,720
tickets a David fight. But the USK possibility is potentially

548
00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:33,440
in down here.

549
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,079
Speaker 1: He's taking a risk to fight.

550
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,559
Speaker 3: They're both taking a risk I mean, Wardly for what

551
00:24:37,599 --> 00:24:38,480
it's I mean, look.

552
00:24:38,279 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: We put it this way.

553
00:24:40,519 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 2: Parker doesn't have to fight Wardly. He could wait for

554
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:44,440
USK if he wanted to.

555
00:24:46,039 --> 00:24:48,599
Speaker 3: Wardley could also not fight Parker, and he's also in

556
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,880
line for USIC because USI's got all the belts in

557
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,200
Wardley's the interim champion of the WBA. Obviously their situation

558
00:24:54,279 --> 00:24:56,839
is a little more clouded because of their regular title holder.

559
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,160
But the point is, these are two top ten heavyweights

560
00:25:00,519 --> 00:25:02,799
that don't need to fight each other because they are

561
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,000
in line for something even more significant, but yet they've

562
00:25:06,079 --> 00:25:07,960
opted to do so. Now it's gonna wind up being

563
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,680
only for the Parker in ourn belt because the WBA

564
00:25:11,759 --> 00:25:14,440
belt will go away, which is not necessarily a bad thing,

565
00:25:14,839 --> 00:25:16,160
but there's a lot of money to stay for both

566
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,319
of these guys in the winner is going to be

567
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,599
the mandatory for Usk in the next fight, not like

568
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,000
they have to wait through the rotation system because the

569
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,119
WBO is next. So Parker already owns that position. He

570
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,880
is gambling that wordly because of his title, would be

571
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,599
in that line, but he would, I guess move up

572
00:25:32,599 --> 00:25:35,319
as a step closer because the WBO is supposed to

573
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,319
be next. So either Busik fights the winner of this fight,

574
00:25:38,839 --> 00:25:41,200
or he vacates and or his strip of the WBO

575
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,319
world title. So from that standpoint, there's a lot of stake.

576
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,960
But style wise, forgetting about the politics, just if you're

577
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,880
a boxing fan, it's a good matchup. I mean, they

578
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,759
both have made a lot of good fights. Fabia Wardley

579
00:25:52,839 --> 00:25:55,759
is a tremendous puncher. Joseph Parker is a very experienced fighter.

580
00:25:55,799 --> 00:25:57,680
He's got pretty good power himself, got a great chin,

581
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,039
been in some dynamite fights throughout his career, and uh,

582
00:26:01,319 --> 00:26:03,079
you know, we've discussed this a little bit when the

583
00:26:03,079 --> 00:26:05,119
fight was announced. It's it's unfortunate they've made this a

584
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,640
pay per view. It is what it is, but putting

585
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,640
that element of a side element aside just in the ring.

586
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,599
Good matchup, and uh, you know, Joseph sounded ready and

587
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,160
he is a diligent trainer. I'm pretty sure if Fabio

588
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,359
ward they knowing the opportunity he asks here, particularly the

589
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,079
troubles that he had off the Hoony fight that you know,

590
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,000
he's prepared himself well for this too. So uh, it's

591
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,079
always good to talk to Joseph Parker. I've known him

592
00:26:28,079 --> 00:26:30,279
for a very long time and he's always been a

593
00:26:30,279 --> 00:26:31,000
great guy to deal.

594
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 1: With and some huge wins for him to put himself

595
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:34,599
in this position.

596
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,319
Speaker 2: That's and he's been active. Hey, we like all those things,

597
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,319
so we'll talk more about that. Fight in the building has.

598
00:26:40,279 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 3: Been active also, which is.

599
00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 2: Yes, we got hey, we got reason to care about

600
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,759
both of those. Okay, let's get to the news. Uh.

601
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,359
In my inbox before we recorded this Thursday into Friday,

602
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,960
I saw an update from Top Ranked Boxing.

603
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,839
Speaker 3: Oh they exist still they do, and it.

604
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,759
Speaker 2: Is what you were discussing. Raphael Spinoza is back. He

605
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:03,640
is fighting Arnold Kagui. It is November fifteenth. You were

606
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,640
talking about all of this in Mexico. All right, So

607
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,680
give me that you already you already laid out. Give

608
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,880
me who else is involved including this fight, and the

609
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,920
more important thing I think everybody wants an update of

610
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,480
some kind. Is this gonna be where we can see

611
00:27:17,519 --> 00:27:18,759
it come November?

612
00:27:19,319 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 3: What do we know? Go ahead, Well, in terms of

613
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,519
the card on the on November fifteen, it's taking place

614
00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:28,039
in San Louis Potosi in Mexico. It technically will be

615
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,720
on a Zanfer Promotions card. In terms of the broadcast,

616
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,319
there'll be something you can count on that, whether it's

617
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,960
on ESPN Deportees or ESPN Plus as part of the

618
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,559
ESPN Knockout Series, or it winds up on Top Ranks

619
00:27:40,599 --> 00:27:43,039
YouTube channel or their Facebook page the way they handle

620
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,480
the recent in a way fight, it'll be somewhere that

621
00:27:46,599 --> 00:27:49,160
you can probably count On. They don't have that lined

622
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,319
up yet. They didn't announce that in the press release

623
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,400
when they sent that out that you referenced, but it

624
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,519
will be available somewhere. I'm that's like a ninety nine

625
00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:58,680
percent type thing. So in terms of the fights, you

626
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,720
have Espinosa, who's promoted between top rank ann zanfer. He's

627
00:28:02,759 --> 00:28:06,759
defending against a guy who's a like a fringe top

628
00:28:06,839 --> 00:28:09,680
ten type contender. He suffered a tough loss, he came

629
00:28:09,759 --> 00:28:11,240
back and got to win, but he's a he's a

630
00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:13,279
credible featherweight and it's not like he's a bummer anything

631
00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:16,119
like that. This is a legit professional guy. So that's

632
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,200
the main event. He's going to be fighting at home

633
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,079
in Mexico. He hasn't had a title defense there and

634
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,279
then ever, I don't think in terms of his defenses.

635
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:24,920
Obviously he fought there a lot of times, but since

636
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,920
he's won the title, his fights have taken place in

637
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,720
the United States, so it's something of a homecoming, if

638
00:28:29,759 --> 00:28:33,599
you will. The co feature will be Lin Daffel Delgado,

639
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,039
a Mexican olympian who was undefeated in a in a

640
00:28:37,519 --> 00:28:40,200
welter in a junior welterweight world title eliminator and the

641
00:28:40,279 --> 00:28:44,039
IVF against Gabriel Golas Valezuela. That should be a hard

642
00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:46,599
hitting kind of fight. I mean, Delgado, you know, is

643
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,680
a guy that always gives the value for money, as

644
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,000
the Brits like to say. And then they also have

645
00:28:51,079 --> 00:28:53,920
added to this card a trio of top ranked young

646
00:28:54,119 --> 00:28:57,279
you know, prospect types. Richard Torres Junior, the heavyweight. He's

647
00:28:57,319 --> 00:29:00,680
going to take on a check fighter named tom As Sallek.

648
00:29:01,359 --> 00:29:03,880
Not not a big name necessarily, but they're keeping him busy.

649
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,880
You have Emiliano Vargas, the son of Fernando Vargas, the

650
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,839
former world champion, who's probably been as good in recent

651
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,920
fights in terms of how he looks potential wise as

652
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,559
anybody not just on the top rank ross, but anybody

653
00:29:16,599 --> 00:29:19,279
in boxing. He's looked absolutely sensational in recent fights as

654
00:29:19,319 --> 00:29:23,319
they have modestly stepped up his competition. This will, for

655
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,440
what it's worth, this will be his first scheduled ten

656
00:29:25,519 --> 00:29:28,680
round fight against a fighter named Jonathan Montrell. And then

657
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,200
they have their seventeen year old junior lightweight that they

658
00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:35,079
that's like a Las Vegas fighter that is going to

659
00:29:35,119 --> 00:29:38,319
be in a six rounder name Julian Montalvo. Don't think

660
00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:40,640
he has an opponent just yet, so they'll be those

661
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,839
trio of prospects, the world title eliminator, and then of

662
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,200
course the Espinosa world title fight in the main event.

663
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,640
And Espinoza has been in some tremendous fights with that

664
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,599
big size of his tall the tall kind of guy

665
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,359
he is for the featherweight division, the long reach and

666
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,200
a guy you know, good chin and you know will

667
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,319
be there to fight him. So we'll just have to

668
00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:03,039
wait and see where they decide to put it.

669
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:05,079
Speaker 2: We do have that coming, it is still a month

670
00:30:05,119 --> 00:30:07,759
from now that we have to wait for that again

671
00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:10,720
because the domestics shows have been few and far between.

672
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,079
Speaker 1: In September and October, we'll get a little more enough.

673
00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:19,559
Speaker 2: It is pathetic, and and look, I said to you

674
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,319
that that I would give this until October on where

675
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,759
is Top Rank with a broadcast deal and a regular

676
00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:26,759
fight series.

677
00:30:27,319 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: Here we are in October and there's not any announcement.

678
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,599
Speaker 2: And I don't think it's out of line to say

679
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,640
they obviously don't have anything, and maybe they will have something.

680
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 3: I don't think it's obvious they could be slogging through

681
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:39,559
the paperwork.

682
00:30:40,759 --> 00:30:44,559
Speaker 2: If they had something. They would be announcing it by

683
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,480
now they've been off ESPY.

684
00:30:46,079 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 3: Wouldn't be announcing if it wasn't done.

685
00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:52,319
Speaker 2: No kidding, I'm saying on the premise, if they had something,

686
00:30:52,519 --> 00:30:53,759
they would be announced.

687
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,599
Speaker 3: But that's not to say they're not involved in getting

688
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,079
everything done and squared away officially.

689
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: You know, Jacob, you could take that point of view.

690
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:04,599
Speaker 2: I will, you know what, I will harken back to

691
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,000
you and I having this debate separately about and we

692
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:08,559
don't really have a debate. You were bringing it up

693
00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:11,119
about Premiere Boxing Champions at the end of twenty twenty three,

694
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,079
and I know people that are there, and I know

695
00:31:13,759 --> 00:31:16,079
people in around top rank, I know, I know all

696
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:16,640
kinds of people.

697
00:31:16,759 --> 00:31:17,519
Speaker 1: You know many more.

698
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 2: But the PBC people were telling you, just wait, we're

699
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,559
gonna be fine. Just wait, we're going to be fine

700
00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:25,440
when you were talking to them at the end when

701
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:26,440
the showtime.

702
00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: Deal ran out or whatever.

703
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,319
Speaker 2: What we now know is they were never going to

704
00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:32,680
be fine with a regular boxing series, or they would

705
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,079
be doing a regular boxing series.

706
00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: It's basically been almost two full years. They don't have one.

707
00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:41,279
Speaker 2: They obviously don't have enough wherewithal to make it work.

708
00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:44,920
Financially and otherwise to regularly have a fight series. So

709
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:48,079
I'm just referencing that from a couple of years ago,

710
00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:50,839
and we're getting in the territory now of kind of

711
00:31:50,839 --> 00:31:53,799
the same thing where if they were regular thing.

712
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,799
Speaker 3: I've been saying since the day that the Top Ranked

713
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,759
ESPN deal ended at the end of July, I have

714
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,039
no doubt that at some point in the not too

715
00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:08,200
distant future, Top Rank, unlike PBC, will have an actual deal.

716
00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: A regular fight series where I.

717
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 3: Can't it's gonna be once a week or once. You know,

718
00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:15,400
I'm saying how often it's gonna be, or what the

719
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,519
price level is gonna be or whatever, but there will

720
00:32:17,559 --> 00:32:20,680
be Top Rank boxing somewhere on your television set or

721
00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:24,200
your screen. In terms of a streaming series. I'm very

722
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:26,759
confident that. I'm I'm virtually certain of that. I know

723
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,240
the people involved. I've been doing this a long time.

724
00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:31,640
It's going to happen when I can't tell you, And

725
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:32,880
you know what, at the end of the day, if

726
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,079
it doesn't happen, guess what the fucking Sun's gonna come

727
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:35,599
up the next thing.

728
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: No, I agree with you, but for right now, we're

729
00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:42,880
suffering along because again, suffering I'm saying. I'm saying in America,

730
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,240
you're suffering along because PBC doesn't fight regularly. Top rank

731
00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:48,799
hasn't been fighting regularly, and you and I sit here

732
00:32:48,839 --> 00:32:51,880
and get creative with what else we're talking about on

733
00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:54,880
domestic fights. Because of it, we would like to have

734
00:32:55,000 --> 00:33:01,559
some more. All right, let's move on Moses. All right, interesting,

735
00:33:01,839 --> 00:33:04,519
let's set this up because Atama was allegedly going to

736
00:33:04,599 --> 00:33:07,319
fight Oh, I can't say with a straight voice, forty

737
00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:12,160
four year old Kubratule Poolev except former world title challenger.

738
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:17,039
Except Poolev isn't fighting Atama. He's fighting Gasiev. Al Right,

739
00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:20,359
so straighten out? Okay, what's been going on and why

740
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:21,160
they aren't fighting?

741
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 3: So earlier this week, the WBA issued a ruling which

742
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,440
I actually agreed with for a change. I mean, you know,

743
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,319
I've pissed on the WBA gallons of piss in recent

744
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,039
times and years and years and years, so I don't

745
00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:35,920
agree with them about anything.

746
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:36,519
Speaker 1: There's an image.

747
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:39,559
Speaker 3: But in this particular instance, they had the scenario where

748
00:33:39,599 --> 00:33:42,160
they were supposed to be doing the pool Lev in

749
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,599
the mandatory of his second tier title against Michael Hunter.

750
00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:49,279
The Hunter thing was disallowed for a thousand different reasons.

751
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:51,160
It was ridiculous that it was even ordered in the

752
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,920
first place. Nonetheless, he is for reasons that make perfect sense.

753
00:33:57,039 --> 00:33:59,240
He's out as the mandatory in the WBA. We don't

754
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,119
I'm not going to even go he is not going

755
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:02,839
to be the mandatory.

756
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: He's out of there.

757
00:34:03,759 --> 00:34:05,799
Speaker 3: He's out of the picture and for for and rightfully.

758
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,719
So nothing against Michael. I actually I rather like Michael.

759
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,800
He's a nice guy. Actually had a chance to see

760
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,000
him and talk to him for a little bit when

761
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,039
I was out in Las Vegas at the Canelo fight.

762
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:16,079
He was there at one of the the shows that

763
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:18,440
took place, like the night or two nights before, had

764
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,440
a nice conversation with So never anything against Michael Hunter. Good,

765
00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:23,320
you know, nice guy. I like the guy. But in

766
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,079
terms of the way this business of his career has

767
00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:27,719
been handled has been an absolute fucking train wreck. And

768
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,440
so he has been rightfully removed as a mandatory. So

769
00:34:31,079 --> 00:34:33,960
if you're the WBA, you go down the list the

770
00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:36,480
number one contender, which you can agree with or disagree with.

771
00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:38,920
He doesn't deserve to be in the position. But it's

772
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,280
still exciting that a young man like this is in

773
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,920
that kind of position. That's mosesy Toma. We talked about

774
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,760
him plenty uh and so Poolev was told apparently when

775
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,159
when the Hunter thing went to the you know, the

776
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:54,199
court of us what is it, the Court of Sports

777
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,960
Arbitration or whatever they call, part of that settlement was

778
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,159
that he could defend the title in optional defense against

779
00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:06,320
somebody within their rankings, and so that had not yet happened.

780
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,679
So the WBA issues this ruling earlier in the week,

781
00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:13,519
ordering the next fight that Poolev should begin negotiating with

782
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:15,840
the team of Moses Etama, which is a fight I

783
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,760
know that the Queensberry people would absolutely love. I mean

784
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,280
they they kind of were licking their chops at the

785
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,199
prospect of getting that fight. Bring Poolev over a forty

786
00:35:24,199 --> 00:35:25,480
four year old guy that the young.

787
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: Man you know, probably will mow down.

788
00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 3: Probably. I mean, I don't think it would be as

789
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,239
easy as the Dylan White fight. I actually think Poolev

790
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,079
would survive several rounds because he's a tough guy. Maybe

791
00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:38,079
at forty four he's in still phenomenal condition. But nonetheless

792
00:35:38,119 --> 00:35:40,760
you'd have to pick Moses in the fight. So then,

793
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,000
and I had posted this on Twitter, and I had

794
00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:46,199
the resolution and the order and a post of the

795
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:50,000
photo of the letter and all and so, and then

796
00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:52,039
it comes to my attention later that day when I

797
00:35:52,159 --> 00:35:55,159
checked in with people I know related to Team Poolev

798
00:35:55,639 --> 00:35:57,840
that it hadn't been announced yet, but they were going

799
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,800
to be fighting. They had a deal done and signed contract.

800
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,840
They're going to go fight on under the IBA cards.

801
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,519
That's going to take place in Dubai. That's supposed to

802
00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:10,239
take place on December twelfth, and he would defend the

803
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,639
title against the former unified cruiserweight champion Marot Gassi if

804
00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:17,480
who's had his last several fights in the heavyweight division

805
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,760
and he's raided in the WBA. I don't know, he's

806
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,880
like number twelve or number eleven or something like that.

807
00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:25,840
So that's supposed to be what they say is their

808
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,639
next fight. And now so the WBA will see what

809
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,760
they do. Is it going to be Do they honor that?

810
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,519
Do they force the mandatory with a tama? Do they

811
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:37,119
if they if the pool off people don't cooperate, do

812
00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:37,840
they shrip him?

813
00:36:38,519 --> 00:36:38,639
Speaker 4: You know?

814
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 3: Look, and I know there's a lot of litigation that's possible.

815
00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:46,000
You know, Frank Warren, who's a Thomas guy has been litigious.

816
00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:49,559
John Wirt, who is the promoter for you know from

817
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,639
Epic Sports and Promotion, who's the longtime promoter of Pool Left.

818
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,000
He's a lawyer. He was Don King's lawyer for many years.

819
00:36:56,199 --> 00:36:59,199
He can be litigious. I mean, you've got you've got

820
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,679
a lot of a lot of people that the w

821
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,159
BA has certainly been involved and they're in their various

822
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,639
kinds of litigation over the years. So we'll see how

823
00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:11,719
that plays out. At the moment, supposedly Poolev is defending

824
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,159
that second tier title against Gasiev in December in Dubai

825
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:18,559
on this IBA card, But we'll see. The WBA has

826
00:37:18,639 --> 00:37:21,239
yet to make a public statement about about their order

827
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,320
and whether they'll honor that or not. If you ask me,

828
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,599
if I was like the guy that could say, you know,

829
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,679
make the determination, you know what you'll let if Pool

830
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,760
in fact had to sign contract, you let him go

831
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,800
fight the defense. Maybe you can figure out a way

832
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,840
to work with them and put a TAMA on the card,

833
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,039
or let him have some other fight in January like

834
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:41,920
they were talking about anyway, or in December on the

835
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,840
same card potentially with Chesoora, and you'll let them do

836
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,360
their fights and then you know what, whoever wins between

837
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,039
Gasieve and Pool, have you make them fight a tom

838
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:50,880
if he's still okay.

839
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 2: But how about again I'll go I got you. I mean,

840
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,440
you make too much sense. You're making logical sense again.

841
00:37:57,199 --> 00:38:00,039
But I'll go a step further that why why I

842
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:03,480
would Moses Etama right now even need Poohlev if he

843
00:38:03,639 --> 00:38:06,000
were to fight one more fight, whether they make him

844
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,320
a main event fighter. I understand they did a pay

845
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,599
per view with Dilan. When I get this, it would

846
00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:12,599
be perfect and set up. And it's in the same

847
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,280
realm here that if Joseph Parker or Fabio Wardly wins

848
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,880
and they can't fight Usik, the next fight is Moses

849
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,719
Etama for the full WBO title if it comes to that.

850
00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: Not a crazy thing ifs so, if you're.

851
00:38:25,159 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 2: A Tama, you don't really need forty four year old

852
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:31,440
Kubrat Poulev if that could be the ultimate carrot, and

853
00:38:31,519 --> 00:38:32,960
again that's a queensberry.

854
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 3: But here's the point inside that if he were to

855
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:41,119
beat Poolev or Ghasiev for that regular title, he's still

856
00:38:41,159 --> 00:38:46,559
the mandatory for either Usik or Parker Wardly winner whoever

857
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,000
wins and would inherit the vacant title. They can still

858
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:52,000
make the fight. And the reality is I think that

859
00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:55,960
Queensberry likes the idea of even know, look, we can

860
00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:59,280
sit here and piss for ten years on the secondary title. Unfortunately,

861
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:00,920
it's a reality in the world we live in with

862
00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:03,960
in boxing. They feel like that's meaningful that they can

863
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,320
make a big event around that title. That mosesy Toama

864
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,400
is fighting for a world title even if it's the

865
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:13,719
secondary bullshit, uh and and and you know, it is

866
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,079
what it is. So they're gonna, They're gonna they're gonna

867
00:39:16,119 --> 00:39:16,719
make that effort.

868
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 2: And in the meantime, it would be a much It

869
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,199
would be a much bigger deal for him to fight

870
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,320
for the full version obviously, and I know you're not

871
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:23,960
saying it, it would be a much bigger deal. And

872
00:39:24,039 --> 00:39:26,800
that that's easily attainable if he goes and fights somebody.

873
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 3: There's two fucking titles in the same organization. Is the

874
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,920
most ridiculous thing ever. I've been saying it for as

875
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,719
long as the It's just part of what is in

876
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,760
it and people say, well, you should just ignore it. Well,

877
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,320
you can't ignore it because it makes fights happen.

878
00:39:40,639 --> 00:39:43,039
Speaker 2: They but the reason they keep doing it is because

879
00:39:43,079 --> 00:39:45,719
people televise it, we talk about it and whatever we should.

880
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,119
I I'm kind of in the camp we should just

881
00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:51,559
stop talking about this because like Jeron Edis was parading

882
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:56,000
around with the interim vacant w B a Junior middleweight

883
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,320
championship belt, like it means anything.

884
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean anything. It did don't mean anything the

885
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:01,239
other night.

886
00:40:01,559 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 3: So I'm not arguing. But but the point is if

887
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,760
you get, if you we if the end result is

888
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:13,079
that an excellent young fighter like Moses Atama fights a credible, solid,

889
00:40:14,039 --> 00:40:16,440
experienced veteran like Kubrat Puolev, who's been in the ring

890
00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:19,760
with everybody, the reason why it's happening is because of

891
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,960
that belt, and so it does help facilitate some good fights.

892
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,840
Sometimes it helps facilitate trash. But you know, you know that,

893
00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:31,039
and that's not just at the heavyweight division, and by

894
00:40:31,039 --> 00:40:33,079
the way, it's not even just a WBA. The same

895
00:40:33,199 --> 00:40:35,000
goes for any of the other organizations. If there's an

896
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,280
interims I don't like in the WBC or what have you,

897
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,119
but we'll say I'd like to see poole Ev fight,

898
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,039
get his chance to do is fight he wants to

899
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:47,800
do and then fight a toma after that. That seems

900
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,599
like a reasonable thing to me. There's no hurry for

901
00:40:49,679 --> 00:40:51,519
a time of kids twenty years old or whatever. He

902
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:52,920
is twenty one years old, no rush.

903
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,519
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on. This is interesting.

904
00:40:56,559 --> 00:41:01,559
Speaker 2: So the California Commission ruled on They voted six nothing.

905
00:41:01,679 --> 00:41:06,599
They are going to back the TKO ZUFA based Muhammad

906
00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:11,480
Ali American Boxing Revival Act. So let's talk about just

907
00:41:11,559 --> 00:41:15,239
real quick what this means, because they are backing it,

908
00:41:16,039 --> 00:41:18,559
and you know, the first question I have is this

909
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:24,639
is federal legislation, right, that has to be overturned, rewritten, whatever, so.

910
00:41:25,079 --> 00:41:26,519
Speaker 3: To go the United States Congress.

911
00:41:26,559 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 1: So so right, that's a congressional thing.

912
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 2: So it's great that the California Commission gave a full

913
00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:32,960
but there's bigger fish to fry.

914
00:41:33,039 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: Go ahead.

915
00:41:33,559 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 3: But the reason why it's important is because the California

916
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,360
State Athletic Commission, the Nevada State Athletic Commission, and perhaps

917
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,679
the New York State Upletic Commission are the most significant

918
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,679
commissions in the country. Yes, for various reasons. You know,

919
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,679
you could throw in maybe New Jersey or Texas. I

920
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,519
mean the big boxing states. And so when there are

921
00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:58,960
people put their support behind it six to nothing, that

922
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:01,559
I think will become mean. If you're a House of

923
00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:04,960
Representatives person, a congressman or a woman, or you're a

924
00:42:05,039 --> 00:42:06,880
Senator and the people that are going to have to

925
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,840
ultimately vote on this legislation, and you're trying to make

926
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,679
your decisions, it may sway you that the respected California

927
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,440
State Athletic Commission not only has put their weight behind

928
00:42:16,559 --> 00:42:20,840
this particular h this particular legislation, but done so in

929
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:25,400
emphatic six to nothing vote. That might be meaningful for

930
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,400
these these congressional people that aren't necessarily versed in combat

931
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,880
sports who live it and breathe it on a daily basis.

932
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 4: Like you or I do.

933
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 3: So that's important. And so there's there's that element of it.

934
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,800
And what strikes me is kind of weird about how

935
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,400
it went down is if you go back a few

936
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,119
weeks ago that had an open forum for anybody among

937
00:42:43,199 --> 00:42:46,079
the public to discuss you like anything, you know, you

938
00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:48,719
give your public comments, if you if you look at

939
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,960
like I get the agendas for the Nevada Commission meetings

940
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,519
every month, and every single Commission agenda has you know,

941
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,159
on it listed like you know, available for public comment,

942
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,119
et cetera, et cetera. Same thing in California, if of

943
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:02,519
these commissions, because they worked for the you know, the tribe.

944
00:43:02,519 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 2: It was a state run situation, and so therefore the

945
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,159
public has a right because it's publicly funding and so you.

946
00:43:08,199 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 3: People can call in or show up and you know. Right,

947
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,000
So when they did this one a few weeks ago,

948
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,320
our few I guess it was maybe like a month

949
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,519
or it was the September one, right, whatever it was,

950
00:43:16,639 --> 00:43:20,480
you had literally forget the exact number. I want to

951
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,760
say it was something like seventy or seventy five people

952
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,360
decided to make public comment on the proposed legislation, which

953
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:30,880
in a state of California, which is millions and millions

954
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,880
of people, it's really not that many, obviously, but for

955
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,920
a state a letic commission, compared to what you normally

956
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,320
would see, that's a tremendous amount of your typical public comment.

957
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,840
And of the seventy five or whatever so people under

958
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,639
one hundred that offered an opinion or spoke, and it

959
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:51,039
was a mixture of fans and media and an other athletes,

960
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:55,119
some boxers, some amNY people, promoters, managers, people with stakes,

961
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,639
some that didn't have stakes. Every single person that made

962
00:43:58,639 --> 00:44:03,079
a public comment was against the amendment. We should tell

963
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:05,440
you something. And just on the face of it, and

964
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,440
I'm not saying bad about anybody at Zoo or tik everything,

965
00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:10,599
but just on the face of it, if the original

966
00:44:10,679 --> 00:44:14,760
intent of the Muhammad Ali reformat was to protect boxers

967
00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:21,360
from double dipping, from lack of transparency, for having your

968
00:44:21,519 --> 00:44:24,880
manager who should have a fiduciary duty to you, but

969
00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:27,360
could also be your promoter who doesn't have a fiduciary

970
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,280
duty to you, to have them in the same like

971
00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:32,760
it was. Obviously, it was written in a way to

972
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:37,519
help try to protect the boxer. It hasn't always worked beautifully,

973
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,360
but I've always maintained it's better than nothing. So now,

974
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,760
if you have a promoter coming in that wants to

975
00:44:43,679 --> 00:44:47,039
change that, they want to do it to help themselves.

976
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:50,360
They're not necessarily looking to help the fighter. Now, in

977
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,679
the long run, might it help the fighter in certain respects,

978
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,639
I guess it's possible, but I don't believe that's their intent.

979
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,760
Their intent is to make it better for their business.

980
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:02,480
Now they'll argue, and when I say they I'm talking

981
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,159
about people like a Dana White, a Nick con the

982
00:45:05,199 --> 00:45:08,400
people that are involved in this new endeavor for ZUFA

983
00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:13,320
slash PKO. They'll tell you about what an absolute disastrous

984
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,480
state American boxing is in, how no TV network really

985
00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:18,920
wants it, blah blah blah. And they have a point there,

986
00:45:19,039 --> 00:45:20,599
and if they could figure out a way to make

987
00:45:20,639 --> 00:45:23,559
it work more smoothly, then that would be better for

988
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,199
the public and obviously for their company. And as I've

989
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,480
said before about this, if the fighters don't stand up

990
00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:32,840
for themselves, why should we if they don't want to

991
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,840
help themselves. Well, so here's the point. Hold on, they

992
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:35,360
let me finish.

993
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 2: Well, no, on that point, since you just made it

994
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,960
a lot of the fighters, a lot of the fighters

995
00:45:40,159 --> 00:45:44,159
don't understand the ramification. Get somebody that understands incumbent on

996
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:45,599
those around them.

997
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 3: They have lawyers that go over their contracts. They need

998
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,199
to have the same thing. So they had another meeting

999
00:45:50,639 --> 00:45:54,719
yesterday this week where they did the vote, and obviously

1000
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,880
before the vote they allowed public comment once again. This

1001
00:45:58,039 --> 00:46:00,280
time it was not even close to the same number

1002
00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:02,639
of people that participated. It was like, I don't know,

1003
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,480
maybe twenty or something like that twenty five the thing

1004
00:46:05,559 --> 00:46:08,599
that was so striking. While there were some former MMA

1005
00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:12,239
fighters that spoke out against it, there was not a

1006
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,519
single boxer to my understanding that that came to make

1007
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:17,679
a comment.

1008
00:46:18,119 --> 00:46:21,079
Speaker 2: For clarify in the previous meeting in the In the

1009
00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:24,199
previous meeting, were there fighters, Yeah, in that seventy, in

1010
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,360
that sixty seventy whatever, it was, Okay.

1011
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 3: So the meeting this time, conveniently they had. This tells

1012
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,079
you how important it is. By the way that Nick Cohn,

1013
00:46:34,199 --> 00:46:36,679
who was the president of ww but also a TKO

1014
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,679
board member and very very involved in this launch of

1015
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,000
this new ZUFA boxing league. And as I've said before,

1016
00:46:44,119 --> 00:46:46,480
Nick was my agent for fifteen years. I know what

1017
00:46:46,639 --> 00:46:49,239
a diehard boxing fan he is. That is a fact,

1018
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,719
you know, not a secret. He was the one that

1019
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,239
got to speak first and lay out their perspective. They

1020
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,440
claim that this will help fighters in terms of regular pay,

1021
00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:03,480
of health and safety benefits, medical coverage, things along those lines,

1022
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,039
which all sound really good, I guess, But what it

1023
00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:09,280
does lack. It will lack transparency. And the biggest thing

1024
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,480
about the ALI Act is if you're a fighter, and

1025
00:47:11,679 --> 00:47:14,199
again it doesn't always work perfectly, but if you are

1026
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,679
let's say I'm going to go back to the HBO days.

1027
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,519
You're HBO and you're paying top rank or whatever promoter,

1028
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,840
you know, three million dollars for the rights to this event.

1029
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,519
The promoter has to disclose that to the fighter, so

1030
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:29,360
they have an idea of what the money is. So

1031
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,760
when they go to negotiate their purse, they don't take

1032
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,480
a purse for one hundred grand on an event that's

1033
00:47:33,519 --> 00:47:35,639
three million dollars, right, and they have an ability to

1034
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,559
with their representative, with their manager to get a better

1035
00:47:38,639 --> 00:47:41,280
cut of the action. Now people talk about, well, you know,

1036
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,440
it's the same thing as like the NFL and the

1037
00:47:43,639 --> 00:47:46,559
and the NBA, where they have the league and they

1038
00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:49,800
get protections from you know, whether it's medical coverage or

1039
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,039
this and that. But it's really not the same because

1040
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,360
the NHL and the NBA and Major League Baseball are

1041
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,760
collectively bargained, that's union, and they have to get a

1042
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,320
certain amount of the revenue.

1043
00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 2: That's right, percent, and all of it has to be

1044
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,320
disclosed on how much the league makes exact revenues coming in,

1045
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,559
so orfore there's an agreement on what the players can make.

1046
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,559
Speaker 3: Okay, So if TKO and ZUFA make a so called

1047
00:48:13,679 --> 00:48:17,400
league there, and they make this change to the amendment

1048
00:48:18,199 --> 00:48:22,960
the Congress does ZUFA boxing is under no obligation to

1049
00:48:23,199 --> 00:48:27,480
disclose what their finances are. In other words, you may

1050
00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:29,480
be a boxer and you signed the fight on one

1051
00:48:29,519 --> 00:48:31,440
of their cards, or you signed with them as a promoter,

1052
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,760
and now you're gonna fight regular and your contract guarantees you.

1053
00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:36,920
Let's say I think it's something like four fights a year.

1054
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,920
You know, at the low end, might you make twenty

1055
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,559
five grand a fight or maybe thirty grand to fight whatever.

1056
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,199
By the way, you have no idea what paramount just

1057
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,480
spent to buy their rights. You don't know if they

1058
00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:49,760
spent a million dollars. You don't know if they spend

1059
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,920
ten million dollars or they spend one hundred million dollars.

1060
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,920
So again, if there was a union, that could be

1061
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,599
collectively bargained, but in boxing everything is like a one

1062
00:48:57,679 --> 00:49:00,440
off transaction. Now they're trying to change that in terms

1063
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,840
of the league format, but it doesn't address charge the disclosure.

1064
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 1: So let's cut to the chase on a couple of things.

1065
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,559
Speaker 2: The first thing is, this is exactly why the ALI

1066
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,960
Act was put into place, because again it is a

1067
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:17,199
huge conflict if the promoter is also in charge of

1068
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,480
managing both fighters and has all the options on what

1069
00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:23,559
those fighters can or can't do, win or lose afterwards.

1070
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,039
Speaker 3: That that is about the titles and the you know,

1071
00:49:26,119 --> 00:49:27,599
the they control the rankings.

1072
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:28,679
Speaker 1: That's that's true too.

1073
00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 2: And the other thing is it's the destruction of the

1074
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,440
free market when you're allowing that to go on. In

1075
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:38,039
that world, they they aren't being paid what they're actually worth.

1076
00:49:38,119 --> 00:49:41,519
They're being paid what they agreed to and or unlimited

1077
00:49:41,559 --> 00:49:43,599
information what's supposedly available to pet you.

1078
00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 3: Also, you also kind of a fighters who are in

1079
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,559
a silo. So if you're fighting under the ZUFA banner,

1080
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,239
it is not you're not allowed to go outside that.

1081
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 1: That's exactly right.

1082
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:56,039
Speaker 2: That's because they have option they have options on your fights,

1083
00:49:56,079 --> 00:49:57,559
and you're only fighting for them.

1084
00:49:57,639 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: That's exactly right if you're going to go.

1085
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 3: But the public is going to have lot to say

1086
00:50:00,519 --> 00:50:04,079
about this because you know, I hope they're successful, and

1087
00:50:04,159 --> 00:50:05,840
I want to see the fighters do well in terms

1088
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,440
of their money, and I'd like to see the company

1089
00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:09,559
do well as far as their profits. I mean, that's

1090
00:50:09,639 --> 00:50:12,000
that's the end goal here for everybody to make money.

1091
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,400
But the problem is, and and maybe I'll be proven wrong.

1092
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,440
And again, I'm not hating on anybody. I'm not wishing

1093
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,559
bad on anybody. I don't believe that boxing fans who

1094
00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:24,519
I interact with on a daily basis and have, you know,

1095
00:50:24,679 --> 00:50:26,599
feel like I have a pretty decent grasp of the

1096
00:50:26,639 --> 00:50:29,840
temperature of the boxing fan. I just don't believe that

1097
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,159
they're willing to accept the level of fighters that they're

1098
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,159
trying to sign, which may turn out to be fun fights,

1099
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,199
but they're not necessarily the world class fighters who the

1100
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,519
pound for pound counter we've talked about, or better or

1101
00:50:42,639 --> 00:50:48,199
for worse. The sanctioning bodies exist and they are important.

1102
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,079
Now do I need to see some reform at some degree? Yes.

1103
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,559
Do I want to piss all over the WBA secondary title, Absolutely,

1104
00:50:55,079 --> 00:50:58,239
But I have spent twenty five years covering boxing and

1105
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,440
I have heard countless fight men and women who tell

1106
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:05,440
me to my face, my dream is to be the

1107
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:09,000
WBC champion. My dream is to be the WBA champion.

1108
00:51:09,079 --> 00:51:11,480
My dream is to be the IBF champion. My dream

1109
00:51:11,559 --> 00:51:13,519
is to be the WBO champion. That is a fact.

1110
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,440
You're not going to take that out of it. Do

1111
00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:18,039
you think that that those young fighters who looked up

1112
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:20,880
to Muhammad Ali or Oscar de Loy or Canelo Alvarez

1113
00:51:21,079 --> 00:51:24,840
or Floyd Mayweather or many Pacou or whoever great champion

1114
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,840
you want to pick, they want to say, my dream

1115
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,159
is to win a ZUFA boxing belt, Right, The answer

1116
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,000
is definitely no. Of course, it's possible that it could

1117
00:51:33,039 --> 00:51:34,079
evolve over the years.

1118
00:51:34,119 --> 00:51:35,639
Speaker 1: I suppose it's going to take a long time, but

1119
00:51:35,679 --> 00:51:36,320
it's going to take.

1120
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,119
Speaker 3: A long time. So they may have so financial backing,

1121
00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:41,440
but I just don't think the public's willing to accept

1122
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,039
those types of fights at the level of boxing.

1123
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 1: Here's the other thing.

1124
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 2: The free market exists everywhere else worldwide, where fighters that

1125
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,280
can make the most money will go make the most

1126
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,199
money if they're able to, and there will be a

1127
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:59,519
lot a lot of negative Don't go with them because

1128
00:51:59,679 --> 00:52:03,440
you're going to end up with a bad contract for

1129
00:52:03,559 --> 00:52:06,079
you that you can't get out of, and then here

1130
00:52:06,159 --> 00:52:08,840
come the lawyers and here come the lawsuits when you

1131
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,760
could make five, ten, fifteen times the money to go

1132
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,000
fight for a world title somewhere else in the free market.

1133
00:52:14,199 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 3: So that's why for the for the fighters at the

1134
00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:18,440
lower end, it might be a good thing because they'll

1135
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,360
be guaranteed activity, they'll be pretty decent purses. It's for

1136
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:23,960
the guys at the top it may not work for

1137
00:52:24,159 --> 00:52:28,760
so I'm I'm of the opinion that I, whatever I

1138
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,440
think about their way that they do their business practice,

1139
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,639
I can't get more upset about it. If the fighter

1140
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,920
himself doesn't get upset about it for herself, doesn't get

1141
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,119
upset about it, you have to. If you're a fighter,

1142
00:52:38,639 --> 00:52:40,920
all I can say is understand what you're getting into.

1143
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 2: Have a good manager, have a On the one hand,

1144
00:52:43,519 --> 00:52:48,239
you're gonna have stability, frequent fights at low money, and

1145
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,119
you're gonna be able to be active and make something

1146
00:52:50,199 --> 00:52:52,880
and have some kind of protection with healthcare and whatever,

1147
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:54,519
and so there.

1148
00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 1: I'm also understanding this.

1149
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,039
Speaker 3: It's not like it's all bad.

1150
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 2: And then also understand that you could be making a

1151
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,360
lot more if you're a really good fighter on the

1152
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,400
open market and this ain't the open market.

1153
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,159
Speaker 3: This is the other thing about it, is this TJ.

1154
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:10,039
If you are fighting for a one of the more

1155
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,960
bigger promoters, let's say, if you're fighting for matrom Boxing,

1156
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:14,880
or you're fighting for top rank or you're fighting for

1157
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:19,079
Queens Berry or Golden Boy or whoever, even even other

1158
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:21,360
promoters that that are maybe not at that level, but

1159
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,519
always have they stay sometimes have you know, good quality

1160
00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:27,239
fighters also, you know, if you're fighting for Solita Promotions, right,

1161
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,119
if you're fighting for you know, pick pick another promoter.

1162
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,280
If you're fighting for mister Honda and Teak in boxing,

1163
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,480
they're not. There's no problem. If the fight makes sense

1164
00:53:37,519 --> 00:53:40,159
for everybody, they're willing to do fights with each other.

1165
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,360
I mean no, I know there's lots of fights we

1166
00:53:42,559 --> 00:53:45,559
go through that didn't happen for promotional reasons. But usually

1167
00:53:46,119 --> 00:53:49,039
if the fight's that big, it does happen. And even

1168
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:51,000
sometimes if it's not that big, if it makes sense

1169
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,519
for everybody, it gets made. That's why Top Rank has

1170
00:53:53,559 --> 00:53:55,960
worked with PBC in recent times. That's why you sit

1171
00:53:56,039 --> 00:53:58,559
on a bunch of you know, mainly related frankly to

1172
00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:01,639
Turkey and Saudi Arabian business. And obviously they're involved in

1173
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:05,639
this Dazufa boxing, but you've seen a bunch of crossover

1174
00:54:05,679 --> 00:54:06,519
Fightstreeen Mattrooms.

1175
00:54:06,679 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the endless parade of fighters that are willing

1176
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,880
to go take the money because it's the free market,

1177
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,079
and you've got someone ridiculously and this is true overspending

1178
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:21,039
on paying them compared to what these shows aren't making.

1179
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:22,159
Speaker 3: All you have to do it.

1180
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: So there's the free market, there's.

1181
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 3: There's looking November twenty second for exist that's a great card.

1182
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,519
In Saudi Aga, you have David Benavitte, is a PBC

1183
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,960
fighter fighting Anthony Yard who's a guess a Queensberry fighter.

1184
00:54:34,039 --> 00:54:35,960
Maybe he's yet, but he's not. He's one of the

1185
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:38,920
other promoters. You have Brian Norman, who was a top

1186
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,639
ranked fighter defending his title against Devin Haney, who was actually,

1187
00:54:41,679 --> 00:54:43,159
I guess a free agent. He's just got to deal

1188
00:54:43,199 --> 00:54:45,440
with the Saudi's at the moment. You got Bam Rodriguez

1189
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,199
who's a match room fighting Fernando Martinez who is with

1190
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,440
a promoter overseas. I think he might be with with

1191
00:54:51,519 --> 00:54:54,480
mister Honda. Not really sure his in Japan right, but

1192
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,480
he might be with maybe he's with whatever. The point is,

1193
00:54:57,519 --> 00:54:58,639
he's not with the same promoter.

1194
00:54:58,920 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 4: Ye.

1195
00:54:59,159 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 3: You have Abdullah ma who was with top rank fighting

1196
00:55:01,519 --> 00:55:03,920
Sam Noakes's with Queensberry. They're fighting for a time. In

1197
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,039
other words, every single match in the in the card

1198
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,960
is a crossover fight between one promoter and somebody else.

1199
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:11,480
There's no in house fights.

1200
00:55:11,559 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 2: It's the free market, and somebody's got big money, and

1201
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:15,800
everybody wanted to make these fights.

1202
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 1: All of them came together, and we see why.

1203
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,079
Speaker 3: So the jury is out on this, I mean, and

1204
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:21,480
in the end of the day, we're going to find

1205
00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:23,639
out pretty soon because ZUFA is supposed to kick off

1206
00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:26,960
their monthly schedule of fights on Paramount Plus starting in January,

1207
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,320
and so they claim that whatever happens, I mean, I'm

1208
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,000
not sure if the legislation is going to get either

1209
00:55:34,119 --> 00:55:36,519
passed or not passed between now in January.

1210
00:55:36,679 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: First of all, we're going to have the old the

1211
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:39,119
government opened by jos M.

1212
00:55:39,199 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 3: Congress hasn't even in session right now, I mean, and

1213
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:41,880
I don't.

1214
00:55:42,039 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 2: Have a few other priorities besides. But this is not

1215
00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:47,880
this is not close to the last step. Just because

1216
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,719
the California Commission said, hey, we would be in favor

1217
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,239
of this six to nothing if it's now legal.

1218
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: It's an important distinction. Again here on the podcast, the

1219
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,840
ALI Act is still in effect. It has not been changed.

1220
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:02,480
The only thing they did was say we would approve

1221
00:56:02,639 --> 00:56:05,039
this if it is changed down the road.

1222
00:56:05,119 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 3: So and and like I said, it's it doesn't carry

1223
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,320
any weight in terms of the actual law. It does

1224
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,760
get change, but it's a matter of we are the

1225
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,000
California Commission, we are meaningful, and we throw our support

1226
00:56:16,039 --> 00:56:19,719
behind it. It's like one of the greatest endorsements that

1227
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,159
this legislation could get. Kind of like if you were

1228
00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:25,760
running for president and you're the nominee of whatever party

1229
00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:29,280
and the previous president of that party, you know, gives

1230
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,239
you an endorsement. It's good for your campaign.

1231
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:33,599
Speaker 2: All right, a couple of other news items and then

1232
00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:36,599
we'll get out of here. Announced that Amanda Serrano is

1233
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,840
going to be back. She's going to fight in January.

1234
00:56:40,039 --> 00:56:43,639
Tell me about the fight, the rematch and where. Because

1235
00:56:43,679 --> 00:56:46,719
this is significant, go ahead, give me the details.

1236
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,159
Speaker 3: So Amanda Serrano, who was one of the great female

1237
00:56:50,199 --> 00:56:53,039
boxes of all time, has taken some tough times because

1238
00:56:53,079 --> 00:56:56,119
she lost all three fights to Katie Taylor as close

1239
00:56:56,119 --> 00:56:58,840
as you know, at least two of them were. But

1240
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,679
those were also fights were well above her normal weight class.

1241
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,719
Even though she won a title at one hundred and

1242
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,920
forty pounds many years ago, was not at the same

1243
00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:08,960
level of opponent and she's primarily for the last however

1244
00:57:09,039 --> 00:57:11,760
many years, it's been fighting as a featherweight YEP, where

1245
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,119
she was the undisputed champion. Ultimately, some of the belts

1246
00:57:14,159 --> 00:57:17,360
went away for mandatory reasons, and also the WBC because

1247
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,719
they did not want to sanctioned fights for women that

1248
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,599
were three minute rounds. So anyway, she still has the

1249
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,960
WBO and the WBA titles at featherweight, even though she's

1250
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,079
coming off the loss to in the third fight against

1251
00:57:30,159 --> 00:57:32,400
Katie Taylor that was a couple of months ago, So

1252
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:34,480
she's going back to featherweight. She's going to defend the

1253
00:57:34,639 --> 00:57:39,360
WBO and the WBA titles against the Mexican contender, Erica Cruz,

1254
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,039
who is a former featherweight champion if you're and the

1255
00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:44,599
reason why this is significant is because when they fought

1256
00:57:44,639 --> 00:57:48,039
the first time, it was an absolutely fucking hllacious battle,

1257
00:57:48,039 --> 00:57:51,159
one of the greatest, bloodiest, most amazing women's fights. If

1258
00:57:51,199 --> 00:57:54,880
you grease away Serrano Taylor one and two and take

1259
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,800
away Taylor versus Chantell Cameron one and two, this is

1260
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,559
probably like the next most craziest women's fight.

1261
00:58:01,519 --> 00:58:04,519
Speaker 1: That I can think of in recent history.

1262
00:58:04,599 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 3: Yes, so that first fight that they fought between a

1263
00:58:08,599 --> 00:58:12,480
Serrano and Cruz took place in February of twenty twenty three.

1264
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,760
It was at the Theater at Madison Square Garden. It

1265
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,000
was on a Mattroom boxing card, and they put on

1266
00:58:17,079 --> 00:58:21,360
an unbelievably hillacious battle. Serrano won a wide decision ninety

1267
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,000
eight to ninety two on two score cards, ninety seven

1268
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,159
to ninety three on the third. Those scorers did not

1269
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,199
in any way indicate how close the fight was, because

1270
00:58:29,199 --> 00:58:31,760
even though she won by wide scores, every single round

1271
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,800
was competitive and it was a tremendous battle, was super

1272
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:39,800
thrilling and super exciting, an absolute female boxing Fight of

1273
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,360
the Year contender in twenty twenty three. So they're gonna

1274
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,719
run it back. She's going back to featherweight. They're gonna

1275
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,400
fight on the main event of an MVP cardinal take

1276
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,519
place January third, on de Own at the Roberto Clemente

1277
00:58:50,639 --> 00:58:53,960
Coliseum in San Juan. And for Amanda it's a big

1278
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,320
deal because Erica Cruz is agreed to do this fight

1279
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,960
for three minute rounds and the WBO and the WBA

1280
00:59:02,039 --> 00:59:04,000
are okay with that if the two boxers are okay

1281
00:59:04,039 --> 00:59:06,280
with it, Whereas the WBC would not do that, so

1282
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,320
they're fighting under men's rules, although it's still a ten

1283
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,760
round fight for a championship as opposed to twelve rounds,

1284
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,000
but they're doing the length of round at three minutes.

1285
00:59:14,239 --> 00:59:16,559
And if you remember, if you go back, it wasn't

1286
00:59:16,599 --> 00:59:19,199
that long ago where Amanda was supposed to be the

1287
00:59:19,239 --> 00:59:22,239
headliner in San Juan, on the same card where Jake Paul,

1288
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,719
her promoter and friend, was the co feature. And remember

1289
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:26,639
that crazy shit.

1290
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,079
Speaker 1: That happened a year and a half ago. It was

1291
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:29,679
March of twenty twenty four.

1292
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:31,199
Speaker 3: It was a year and after she got she got

1293
00:59:31,239 --> 00:59:33,800
the stuff in her eye and she ended up having

1294
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:34,559
a Now.

1295
00:59:34,519 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 2: You covered a lot of bizarre stuff. You were not

1296
00:59:36,639 --> 00:59:38,760
covering this, but we did talk about it and report

1297
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,800
on it. She had hair chemicals for her hairdo that

1298
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,840
got in her eye and also burned her hand while

1299
00:59:47,039 --> 00:59:50,599
jogging a day or two before the fight. The sweat

1300
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,239
and the hair chemicals caused all of this. So she

1301
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:58,719
was unable with the Puerto Rican Commission to be saying

1302
00:59:59,039 --> 01:00:01,760
they wo, They did a vision test and the whole thing,

1303
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,119
and they said you can't fight, and they promised she

1304
01:00:04,239 --> 01:00:07,079
would be back. It's taken a little bit it's still

1305
01:00:07,159 --> 01:00:09,440
until January, but she has now presumed to be back

1306
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,000
in headline in Puerto Rico, which is something she's talked

1307
01:00:12,039 --> 01:00:15,239
openly that she has wanted to have a headlining main

1308
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:16,559
event back in Puerto Rico.

1309
01:00:16,639 --> 01:00:18,719
Speaker 3: And now she said, as she said in her comments

1310
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:23,360
when MVP announced this fight, that after what occurred in

1311
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,239
that March event, that she promised that she would come

1312
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,440
back and fight in Puerto Rico, which is obviously you

1313
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,000
know her people, and so this is her way, she says,

1314
01:00:31,039 --> 01:00:33,719
of fulfilling the promise, and she's fulfilling the promise in

1315
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,480
a real fight. I mean, he has not just taken

1316
01:00:35,519 --> 01:00:38,039
a showcase. She's taken on a woman that gave her

1317
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:39,039
other than Kate.

1318
01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:41,039
Speaker 2: And look, we're not trying to be a fight, we're

1319
01:00:41,079 --> 01:00:43,400
not trying to be morbid. But with three minute rounds

1320
01:00:43,639 --> 01:00:47,480
there is a greater chance of knockout ko whatever, which

1321
01:00:47,519 --> 01:00:50,519
fight fans always get riled up by. And she has

1322
01:00:50,639 --> 01:00:52,920
welcomed that, and Erica Cruz has now welcomed that as

1323
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:53,800
the challenger here.

1324
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 3: So this is one thing that's interesting about this. So

1325
01:00:56,559 --> 01:00:59,800
while Amanda has had some of her fights where they've

1326
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,599
gone the three minute distance in the each round. I

1327
01:01:02,679 --> 01:01:05,159
don't believe Eric Cruz has ever had a three minute

1328
01:01:05,239 --> 01:01:07,679
round fight, So that puts her a little bit at

1329
01:01:07,719 --> 01:01:10,480
a this at a at a at a negative I

1330
01:01:10,519 --> 01:01:12,960
guess in preparation. So she's gonna have to obviously simulate

1331
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:14,960
that in her sparring and her preparation for it. But

1332
01:01:15,079 --> 01:01:17,480
she's never actually done a fight at three minutes where

1333
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:20,639
Serrano has, so I guess she'd have to consider her

1334
01:01:20,679 --> 01:01:22,360
being at least at a little bit of a disadvantage.

1335
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,800
But you know, I can appreciate Amanda's desire for you know,

1336
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,760
what she claims is equality and Cruise. You know, obviously

1337
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:30,920
Cruised wouldn't agree to it. She wouldn't have got the fight,

1338
01:01:31,039 --> 01:01:33,280
but it is, you know, that's what they're doing. So

1339
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,719
that's the return of Serrano. I don't know what set

1340
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:39,280
up has left, that's true. Seven. We'll see what she

1341
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:40,599
can do going back down and wait.

1342
01:01:41,039 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 2: So that is set up for the game the new year,

1343
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:46,280
January third, in Puerto Rico. A couple of other things

1344
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:48,519
real quick here before we're done, because before we're done,

1345
01:01:48,519 --> 01:01:49,440
because we've been here for a bit.

1346
01:01:49,719 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: So back to the WBA and Roley Romero.

1347
01:01:54,239 --> 01:01:56,559
Speaker 2: Who when When last we saw him, he was on

1348
01:01:56,719 --> 01:01:59,679
that fatal Fury card right in Times Square.

1349
01:02:00,239 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 3: He won the UH he got the decision over of Ryan.

1350
01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:08,079
Speaker 2: Don't say what he won, he won, but the story

1351
01:02:08,119 --> 01:02:10,800
that we're doing, all right, So Roly's gonna fight for

1352
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:14,360
the WU. He has the WBA what is it? Is

1353
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,280
it the interim title.

1354
01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 3: Here and let me say the words. I'll tell you

1355
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:22,360
what please. When he defeated Ryan Garcia, he won the

1356
01:02:22,639 --> 01:02:26,840
WBA vacant regular title because Juran Boutsennis was still the

1357
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:30,719
unified champion. But when boutsen Is elected to vacate the

1358
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,159
titles and move up from one hundred and forty seven

1359
01:02:33,199 --> 01:02:35,960
to one hundred and fifty four, that left Roly as

1360
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,719
the only WBA title er in the division. So now

1361
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,519
he is their regular or only champion if you will,

1362
01:02:41,599 --> 01:02:43,960
in the way class. So as that position, he has

1363
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:47,920
been ordered to make a mandatory defense against uh. His

1364
01:02:48,199 --> 01:02:51,280
the mandatory that was had been the mandatory but stepped

1365
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:55,199
aside to allow Ennis to have the unification against Danionis.

1366
01:02:55,239 --> 01:02:58,480
That's Chakrum Giasov, the Olympian who's with Matt from boxing.

1367
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,239
So he's been waiting who whoever the champion was whether

1368
01:03:01,239 --> 01:03:03,800
it was Boots or it's Roly Romero or whoever. So

1369
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,800
the WBA has ordered that fight. They've given them thirty

1370
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,119
days to negotiate. They haven't tell November twelfth if they

1371
01:03:09,159 --> 01:03:11,119
don't make a deal to be a person. The reason

1372
01:03:11,159 --> 01:03:13,599
why this is more no, we will probably wouldn't talk

1373
01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:15,559
about this if not for what I'm about to say.

1374
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,760
So he's got that situation. He's gonna I gotta make

1375
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,440
this mandatory and we gotta do this deal. But by

1376
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:24,400
the way, PBC is way far down the road and

1377
01:03:24,519 --> 01:03:27,840
making a fight between Manny Pacoo and Roly Romero rolling

1378
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,280
that was gonna be the that supposedly gonna be the

1379
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,840
main event in January. And as I said to you before,

1380
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:37,440
when the Fandora and Thurman fight was postponed, there's been

1381
01:03:37,519 --> 01:03:41,079
discussion within PBC about doubling it up and putting Fandora

1382
01:03:41,199 --> 01:03:43,800
Thurman on the same card with Pacio Romero. Now you

1383
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,639
got yourself a real solid card. Obviously those two fights,

1384
01:03:47,679 --> 01:03:49,559
we'll see if that actually comes to pass. I you know,

1385
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:51,440
part of it probably had to do with the fact

1386
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,079
that as a main event, Fondora against Herman might not

1387
01:03:54,159 --> 01:03:57,599
have been the strongest selling fight. But whatever, If I'm

1388
01:03:57,639 --> 01:04:00,559
a boxing fan, I'd much rather spend that, you know,

1389
01:04:00,719 --> 01:04:02,599
the seventy five bucks or whatever on a pay per

1390
01:04:02,719 --> 01:04:06,119
view with Pakia, Romero and Fondora against urmant and if

1391
01:04:06,159 --> 01:04:07,679
it was just one fight and then whatever else, that

1392
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:09,920
right right on the undercard. So we'll have to see

1393
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,280
if they can get Giusov the step beside, if the

1394
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:16,199
WBA will give an exception, whatever, but that's the situation.

1395
01:04:16,519 --> 01:04:20,280
The WBA would always gets themselves in a fucking gyer.

1396
01:04:20,119 --> 01:04:23,639
Speaker 2: I understand, but on this would paq Paquiao is only

1397
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,360
interested in a Romero fight because it's a version of

1398
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:30,199
the title, So if Romero doesn't have that title. Here

1399
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,239
we go with logic and common sense again, how much

1400
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:36,639
is Pacquiao interested in fighting Romero without an interim viman

1401
01:04:37,119 --> 01:04:38,039
WBA a.

1402
01:04:38,039 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 3: Lot of interim vacant. It's the title, w SECONDARY, it's

1403
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:43,199
it's not the second.

1404
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: So have they already officially elevated him?

1405
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 3: If there's only one guy in the division with the title,

1406
01:04:48,039 --> 01:04:50,559
you're the only guy, okay, But you only become a

1407
01:04:50,639 --> 01:04:52,400
regular if there's a super and there's no super.

1408
01:04:52,519 --> 01:04:54,559
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, but you're confusing. You're confusing me in the

1409
01:04:54,599 --> 01:04:55,400
audience even further.

1410
01:04:55,519 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 3: But I'm not confusing the audience. They're a lot smarter

1411
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:57,559
than no.

1412
01:04:57,719 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 1: No.

1413
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:01,599
Speaker 2: Boots in US had the title, and Roly Romero hasn't

1414
01:05:01,639 --> 01:05:03,880
won a world title fight as of yet.

1415
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: So my question was, did they go ahead and elevate him?

1416
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,679
Did they go ahead and say he is the guy.

1417
01:05:08,679 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 3: You're characterizing it incorrectly. He won when Boots was the

1418
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,719
unified champion, he was the WBA Super Champion and the

1419
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,400
IBF champion when he defeated Stanios Anyone the Ring magazine

1420
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:24,480
title at that point in that was in April. In May,

1421
01:05:25,559 --> 01:05:28,880
they allowed Garcia and and Romero to fight for the

1422
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,519
vacant regular title, which Roley.

1423
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,119
Speaker 1: Won, which is which is garbage.

1424
01:05:34,239 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 3: Agreed when that fight was over, you had Stanny Onis

1425
01:05:37,159 --> 01:05:40,679
and I mean Boots has the WBA champion, super champion.

1426
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:44,480
You had Romero as the regular champion. When Boots gave

1427
01:05:44,599 --> 01:05:47,960
up the titles and went to fifty four, it automatically

1428
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,840
made Romero as the only champion.

1429
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 1: I just asked you ninety seconds ago, there's no elevant.

1430
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,679
Speaker 3: Champion, and there's no elev didn't elevate him it just

1431
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,679
made him the guy. He's the only one. There was

1432
01:05:59,719 --> 01:06:01,760
nothing to elevate to the created.

1433
01:06:02,079 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 1: Oh god, this is where we spend so much time

1434
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:04,920
and oxygen.

1435
01:06:05,199 --> 01:06:06,039
Speaker 3: You just don't understand.

1436
01:06:06,159 --> 01:06:07,199
Speaker 1: I do understand.

1437
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:10,159
Speaker 2: The w b A had a world champion Boots in

1438
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:13,800
US and he vacated the belt. So this whole thing

1439
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,840
of we created a regular interim whatever waiting to.

1440
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:18,719
Speaker 1: See what he would do.

1441
01:06:19,159 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 3: No, I wasn't created for that reason. It was not

1442
01:06:21,559 --> 01:06:23,159
created for that reason. It was just created because they

1443
01:06:23,199 --> 01:06:26,480
do what they do. That's what I mean, Yes, exactly,

1444
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,239
And so you know, here's the bottom line, whether you

1445
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,079
like it or you don't like it. And we can

1446
01:06:31,239 --> 01:06:33,920
again for the fifteenth time in this podcast, we can

1447
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,519
piss all over the w BA. Rollie Romero is the

1448
01:06:36,679 --> 01:06:39,000
WBA welterweight champion, end of story.

1449
01:06:39,239 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 2: But he could not be coming up here if he's

1450
01:06:41,519 --> 01:06:47,320
not willing to fight. I'm sorry, the other w B

1451
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:52,079
a fight. If if Gisov and Romero can't agree, then

1452
01:06:52,119 --> 01:06:55,480
the w BA is gonna take this whatever title that's.

1453
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 3: Not go carry it away because they know the money

1454
01:06:57,039 --> 01:06:57,960
is in a fight.

1455
01:06:58,119 --> 01:07:00,079
Speaker 2: And here's the corruption, and here's all the problems and

1456
01:07:00,119 --> 01:07:01,880
why Dana White and his guys are all trying to

1457
01:07:02,719 --> 01:07:03,039
not not.

1458
01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:06,559
Speaker 3: That's not a ridiculous thing. And by the way, they

1459
01:07:06,559 --> 01:07:08,960
didn't work out a step aside deal or whatever will

1460
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:09,800
happen will happen a right.

1461
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 2: And by the way, the WBA has also ordered Nick

1462
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:14,920
Ball to fight his mandatory detail real quick and then

1463
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:15,639
we've got to get out.

1464
01:07:15,519 --> 01:07:17,719
Speaker 3: Of here, right. So Ball is the WBA featherweight champion.

1465
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:19,559
We all love him. He makes great fights. And Brandon

1466
01:07:19,599 --> 01:07:23,039
Figueroa is the mandatory, the former featherweight and junior featherweight

1467
01:07:23,119 --> 01:07:25,239
title holder. That is a fight that we knew he

1468
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,800
was the mandatory because when he won his fight and

1469
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:31,119
his last bout he became was an elimination fight. He

1470
01:07:31,199 --> 01:07:33,599
got kind of a generous decision against Joe At Gonzales.

1471
01:07:33,679 --> 01:07:36,880
That was back in July on the Pacquiao Mario Barrios undercard,

1472
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:37,920
but none the less, Figure.

1473
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 2: Wasn't everybody in the ar You were there, everybody in

1474
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:41,119
the arena was booing that decision and thought it was

1475
01:07:41,159 --> 01:07:45,639
horrible and thought that Gonzales had won not at not

1476
01:07:45,719 --> 01:07:48,199
a great Smith's gift for Figureoa. That puts him in

1477
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:50,840
position maybe right here to fight Ball, but.

1478
01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:53,119
Speaker 3: Well not maybe he's in position, he's the mandatory. So

1479
01:07:53,199 --> 01:07:55,119
they gave them, similar to what they did with Roly

1480
01:07:55,719 --> 01:07:58,719
and uh and with Gisov, they gave them thirty days

1481
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:00,079
to make a deal, and if they don't.

1482
01:08:00,039 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 2: It would be an entertaining fight if it would happen.

1483
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:03,719
What does the ray field radar meter say?

1484
01:08:04,159 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 1: Is this?

1485
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 3: You know, I think that fight has a reasonable chance

1486
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:08,840
to happen. I mean, I'm not sure why it wouldn't happen.

1487
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:12,000
You have PBC that has you know, they have some

1488
01:08:12,079 --> 01:08:14,119
pay per views coming up. They have Nick Ball, who's

1489
01:08:14,159 --> 01:08:17,279
with Queensberry. They obviously do regular shows. You know, maybe

1490
01:08:17,319 --> 01:08:19,319
they can make a deal. I mean, we'll see if

1491
01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:21,600
it happens with Ball. Maybe it happened in Saudi Arabia,

1492
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,079
maybe it happens, you know, in the UK. You know,

1493
01:08:24,279 --> 01:08:27,399
could PBC potentially bring Nick Ball to the United States

1494
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:29,319
and have him, you know, do the fight here, like

1495
01:08:29,399 --> 01:08:31,079
in a Las Vegas type of show or something like that.

1496
01:08:31,239 --> 01:08:33,199
Not out of the realm of possibility. One thing, I know,

1497
01:08:33,319 --> 01:08:35,159
whatever you think about the decision in the in the

1498
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,199
in the figaroa Joe at Gonzalez to fight, which I

1499
01:08:38,239 --> 01:08:41,520
agree was not a very good decision. But figure O

1500
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,720
and Nick Ball probably would be a very exciting fight

1501
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,119
in my mind, because they're gonna come at each other,

1502
01:08:46,199 --> 01:08:48,159
there's nothing fancy, and then either one of those guys,

1503
01:08:48,159 --> 01:08:50,680
they're gonna just go in there and do their business.

1504
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:52,199
That's a good mesh, all right.

1505
01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 2: One final thing, December thirteenth has the possibility to be

1506
01:08:55,079 --> 01:08:57,239
busy here. You were talking to us previously about Diego

1507
01:08:57,279 --> 01:09:00,199
Pacheco on the last podcast that apparently he is going

1508
01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:03,520
to be back, and that's now been announced December thirteenth,

1509
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:07,520
and then there's another fight apparently in California, also for

1510
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:09,840
a world title on the on the thirteenth, So we'll

1511
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:10,880
elaborate on that PSISI.

1512
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,600
Speaker 3: So when they did the Bootsennis mismatch against Lima that

1513
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:17,000
took place this past Saturday, during that broadcast, de Zone

1514
01:09:17,039 --> 01:09:20,279
and Mattrium announced that Pacheco would fight Kevin Leiley Sadjoe From,

1515
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:24,039
a fighter from Cameroon who lives in France, that that

1516
01:09:24,239 --> 01:09:25,479
was going to be the main event of a card

1517
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:29,079
December thirteenth that would take place in Stockton, California, which

1518
01:09:29,159 --> 01:09:31,960
is obviously further north than the Los Angeles, and then

1519
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,279
they would they were having, like Tito Mercado was going

1520
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:37,600
to be on that card, and Gabriel Flores Junior, who

1521
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,319
is from from there, from there, so he's going to

1522
01:09:40,359 --> 01:09:42,800
be on that card. A lot of discussion that Flores

1523
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,520
might fight Joe Cordina. He claims that they had agreed,

1524
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:47,800
but he's dragging his feet on signing the contract. But anyway,

1525
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:51,119
so that's the matchroom card that will happen on December thirteenth.

1526
01:09:51,159 --> 01:09:53,439
And then the other fight you reference, and this is

1527
01:09:54,359 --> 01:09:56,279
going to be in Los Angeles. The venue still being

1528
01:09:56,359 --> 01:09:59,800
ironed out is but Dude Jack, who's the WBC's Cruiserweight Champion,

1529
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:02,520
is post of a rematch with the former title holder,

1530
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,520
Noel McCallion. If you go back to May of this year,

1531
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:10,119
on the undercard of the Canelo Alvarez Williams Skull event,

1532
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:13,159
they had this fight at the first one and it

1533
01:10:13,239 --> 01:10:15,119
was a very very close fight. A lot of people

1534
01:10:15,159 --> 01:10:17,479
thought that McCallion was the rightful winner. In the end,

1535
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,840
it was Badujack who got a majority decision one fifteen,

1536
01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:23,720
one thirteen on two cards, one fourteen, one fourteen on

1537
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,840
the third and McCallan went to the WBC and appealed

1538
01:10:27,159 --> 01:10:29,800
and in the end the WBC ordered an immediate rematch,

1539
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,000
and so it has gone through the process. And so

1540
01:10:32,319 --> 01:10:33,920
if you remember, it was not that long ago, a

1541
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,199
few weeks ago, there was a purse bit. We discussed

1542
01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:38,399
how for the first time ever that we could think

1543
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:39,920
of in the history of the world, that there was

1544
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:43,800
a tie person, right, And they gave the two promoters

1545
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,680
that were bidding, which was Steve Bash from Bass Promotions

1546
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,439
and Don King, who was the promoter for McCallan. And

1547
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:51,640
Bash doesn't promote either guy. I guess he just wanted

1548
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:55,039
to bid on the fight. He ultimately beat King by

1549
01:10:55,159 --> 01:10:57,720
you know, like one hundred grand or whatever when they

1550
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,479
redid it, and that he's putting the I talked to

1551
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:03,159
him the other night. He's doing the fight on December thirteenth.

1552
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:07,399
He figures that in that in southern California, in the

1553
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:10,840
Los Angeles area, there's a very large Armenian community, particularly

1554
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:15,720
in Glendale, California. Noel mccallian is from Armenia. He has

1555
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,520
a bunch of young Armenian prospects and fighters that he

1556
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,199
works with. They'll populate the undercart. So he feels like

1557
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:24,880
between whatever broadcast we can do and whatever sponsors we

1558
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:26,960
can drum up in the ticket sales for these guys,

1559
01:11:27,079 --> 01:11:29,880
I can you know, do a profitable event. And Jack

1560
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,279
who will defend the title against McCallan in the rematch.

1561
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:34,600
Speaker 2: All right, so we get a couple of dates there

1562
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:36,680
in December. We got to wait till December for those,

1563
01:11:37,199 --> 01:11:41,479
We've given you a bunch, including the WBO interim heavyweight

1564
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,760
title holder Joseph Parker, who again will fight on the

1565
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:46,800
twenty fifth, not this weekend, but the next weekend.

1566
01:11:47,079 --> 01:11:48,319
Speaker 1: Who was on with us with Dan.

1567
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:52,720
Speaker 2: We've got the Danny Swift Garcia main event for this weekend.

1568
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:54,720
We really don't have a ton and I'm on my

1569
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,079
way to Detroit with my Tampa Bay Buccaneers, one of

1570
01:11:57,119 --> 01:12:00,319
my fall gigs with the Buccaneer Radio broadcast. We play

1571
01:12:00,359 --> 01:12:03,279
the Monday night game with the Detroit Lions coming on

1572
01:12:03,399 --> 01:12:06,359
Monday night. So we won't have a podcast off the

1573
01:12:06,399 --> 01:12:08,279
weekend because there's not enough to recap here.

1574
01:12:08,399 --> 01:12:09,560
Speaker 1: But gave us.

1575
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 2: You gave us plenty with the news back and forth.

1576
01:12:12,079 --> 01:12:14,119
We got a good we got a good fix there

1577
01:12:14,159 --> 01:12:15,000
on everything I gave you.

1578
01:12:15,279 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 3: I get another lesson on the WBA politics.

1579
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:20,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is will make up whatever at all times,

1580
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:24,199
every which direction, and just yeah, so we gave you

1581
01:12:24,239 --> 01:12:26,880
all of that again. The Parker fight with Wardley is

1582
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,039
next week, so why don't we reconvene next week in

1583
01:12:29,079 --> 01:12:32,279
the preview mode. Also engage on the Big Fight Weekend

1584
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:35,439
YouTube page. Because I will tell you this on the podcast,

1585
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:38,039
audience will put the video up of you talking to

1586
01:12:38,119 --> 01:12:41,079
Joseph Parker on the YouTube page. Go find it, subscribe,

1587
01:12:41,319 --> 01:12:43,640
like help us out there. We will be doing more

1588
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,560
content on that page. We got a lot of nostalgic

1589
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:52,279
content there. The video of Tyson Fury Deontay Wilder. The

1590
01:12:52,359 --> 01:12:56,640
anniversary of their third fight was recently. Also the Corrals

1591
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:59,760
Castillo twentieth anniversary of their second fight. We get some

1592
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:02,600
this stalgia videos. Those are up there on the site.

1593
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:04,560
Go back and watch those if you love the nostalgia.

1594
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:06,159
So all good stuff on YouTube.

1595
01:13:06,199 --> 01:13:07,560
Speaker 1: With that, have a good weekend.

1596
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 2: I'll check with you next week when I'm back from

1597
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:12,039
the Motor City. I'll go say hello to the right

1598
01:13:12,159 --> 01:13:15,199
arm of Joe Lewis there in downtown in Detroit, the Big,

1599
01:13:16,039 --> 01:13:19,000
the Big monumental Right, you go check.

1600
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:20,840
Speaker 3: Out the you go check out the new location of

1601
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:22,960
the Krong gym that has opened up in the in

1602
01:13:23,039 --> 01:13:25,319
the old gym where where Joe Lewis used to train.

1603
01:13:25,319 --> 01:13:26,600
Speaker 1: You have to i'm mna have to go find that

1604
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:27,159
as well.

1605
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 4: Uh.

1606
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:30,520
Speaker 1: And so we look forward to uh to being in

1607
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:32,399
Detroit and then I'll be back from that. All right, Dan,

1608
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:34,520
have a good weekend, good stuff with Joseph Parker.

1609
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:36,640
Speaker 2: Thank you for the time here, all right, TJ. Good

1610
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:39,960
to talk to you, Dan Rayfield. Find him on the Substack.

1611
01:13:40,039 --> 01:13:43,279
Dan Rayfield Substack is the Fight Freaks Unite Substack. Search

1612
01:13:43,359 --> 01:13:46,039
it up, get on the newsletter, et cetera for much

1613
01:13:46,079 --> 01:13:49,359
more news. Find us again on Applespreaker, Spotify. If you

1614
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:52,199
just found us through a social media link, be following

1615
01:13:52,239 --> 01:13:54,439
subscribing to get an automatic notification when we got new

1616
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:56,239
podcasts going into the weekend and most of the time

1617
01:13:56,279 --> 01:13:58,319
coming off the weekend. It's just light again this weekend.

1618
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:00,800
For now, we are good on the Big Fight Weekend

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01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:01,560
Preview pod.