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<v Speaker 1>This night side with Dan Ray on WBZ Constance video.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yesterday evening, there was a very ugly incident at

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<v Speaker 2>the only maximum security prison here in Massachusetts, the Suza

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<v Speaker 2>Baranowski Correctional Center in Lancaster six twenty yesterday afternoon. A

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<v Speaker 2>couple of yesterday evening, a couple of officers doing their rounds,

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<v Speaker 2>head counts and things like this, would jump from behind

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<v Speaker 2>by inmates. One of the officers was stabbed twelve times,

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<v Speaker 2>some of those stab wounds in his back and head.

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<v Speaker 2>The other officer was also injured. Three officers who then

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<v Speaker 2>tried to interfere with this attack was subsequently injured. So

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<v Speaker 2>the box score his five officers injured, one very seriously

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<v Speaker 2>still in condition. He's not his life is not in danger.

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<v Speaker 2>But to be stabbed twelve times, that's that's pretty brutal. Today.

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<v Speaker 2>Governor Healey responded, and we have some of the sound

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<v Speaker 2>from the Governor and we're going to go to cut

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<v Speaker 2>a rob which talks about no place for violence. Certainly

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<v Speaker 2>there should be no violence inside of prison. The safety

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<v Speaker 2>of the officers and the other prison inmates should be paramount.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Governor Healey.

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<v Speaker 3>Late today, I had an opportunity to speak with a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of them. Look, there's no place for violence in

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<v Speaker 3>our facilities, and we're going to do everything we can

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<v Speaker 3>to protect.

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<v Speaker 4>The safety and the security of those who work there

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<v Speaker 4>and those who are incarcerated there. And we're currently in

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<v Speaker 4>the ministivicual security assessment right now, and I'll can assure

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<v Speaker 4>you that we'll make sure that the right steps are

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<v Speaker 4>taken to make sure that there is safe, workable commissions.

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<v Speaker 2>The governor has talked to the officers. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 2>if she's talked to all of the office, but she's

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<v Speaker 2>talked to probably the most you know West seriously injured officers.

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<v Speaker 2>This has cut b Rob.

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<v Speaker 5>You talk to the hurt officers, they have to say.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I have talked to all of them. I

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<v Speaker 3>talked to a few and them just espressly w we

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<v Speaker 3>concerns about increased violence, and you know, we can represented

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<v Speaker 3>series and their inner the things that we know about,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, they're happening and facilities around the country, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's something that I know. The Secretary of Public Safety

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<v Speaker 3>and I and are Commissioner for DOC are commuted.

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<v Speaker 6>To work or not.

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<v Speaker 2>So the question, of course is how can this happen.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a maximum security prison, the only one in

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<v Speaker 2>the state. My understanding is one of the reports I

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<v Speaker 2>watched on television that I said, I believe that one

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<v Speaker 2>of four, one out of four, twenty five percent of

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<v Speaker 2>the inmates up there are serving life sentences. So they

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<v Speaker 2>are the worst of the worst, and some of them

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<v Speaker 2>feel they have nothing left to lose, which presents an

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<v Speaker 2>incredible challenge to Massachusetts and to the Department of Correction.

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<v Speaker 2>In a moment, we're going to be speaking with Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 2>State Senator Peter Drant, who has been warning Durant, who

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<v Speaker 2>has been warning about this possible problem. But the governor

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<v Speaker 2>again today repeated what she perceives as they what the

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<v Speaker 2>state has to do, and the only question is, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>are they doing it most effectively? Cut seat please Rob.

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<v Speaker 4>In the aftermath of the death of and and I'll say,

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<v Speaker 4>I just I do want to understore that you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I wish them a speedy recovery. It's very serious when

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<v Speaker 4>these things happen.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to tolerate it, and we need to

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<v Speaker 3>make sure that we're doing all we can.

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<v Speaker 4>To support those who are working in the facilities and

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<v Speaker 4>those who are incarcerated in the soldies because we had

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<v Speaker 4>another incident a few weeks ago involving an inmate. So

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we'll make sure that the right steps are taken.

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<v Speaker 2>Joining me now is Republican state senator here in Massachusetts,

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Duran Durant. Peter, welcome back to night Side. You

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<v Speaker 2>have been cautioning about problems in the prison system. As

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<v Speaker 2>I understand it, some of these homemade knives, and they

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<v Speaker 2>were homemade knives actually are produced from our tablets that

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<v Speaker 2>the you know, tablets that the inmates are given, and

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<v Speaker 2>they smashed the tablet and they use some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>a steel strip to fashion it into a prison shift.

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<v Speaker 2>What's going on up there?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, thanks for having me on, Dan. This is this

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<v Speaker 5>is outrageous. You know, we have been worrying about this,

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<v Speaker 5>Me and many of the other fellow legislators have, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>towards some of the prisons, and we've spoken to the

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<v Speaker 5>correctional officers and they voice the concerns. They're the ones

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<v Speaker 5>telling us that, you know, something has to be done.

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<v Speaker 5>We have to be tougher on these inmates, especially as

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<v Speaker 5>you mentioned earlier, the ones that are lifers that have

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<v Speaker 5>nothing else to lose, giving them iPads or tablets of

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<v Speaker 5>some sort. Uh, just handing them out and then seeing

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<v Speaker 5>that they make weapons from you know, there's a solution,

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<v Speaker 5>take all of them away. You know, Dan, when when

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<v Speaker 5>you and I were kids, right, if if I had

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<v Speaker 5>three siblings and if we were arguing over a toy

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<v Speaker 5>or we were doing something, you know, my parents said, okay,

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<v Speaker 5>none of you get it, and you know we've decided

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<v Speaker 5>to wise up. So you know, why are we giving

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<v Speaker 5>these things out? If if you're making weapons that is

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<v Speaker 5>literally you know, stabbing someone twelve times, imperiling their life.

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<v Speaker 5>It's it's outrageous. And you know when I want to

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<v Speaker 5>hear more from the governor, I want to hear outrage.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the governors seemed as you would, you know, expect

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<v Speaker 2>knowing governor. Heally very calm. But I agree with you,

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<v Speaker 2>this should be outraged. I get I guess the officer

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<v Speaker 2>who was stabbed twelve times, he may have had a

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<v Speaker 2>lung punctured with a standing. Now, now that's more than

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<v Speaker 2>a superficial wound. I mean when you when when your

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<v Speaker 2>lung is punctured, and I just think that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>do we live in a state where we have basically said,

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<v Speaker 2>not only will we coddle people and give them time

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<v Speaker 2>after time after time. You read all of these stories

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<v Speaker 2>about someone who's this is their fourteenth court appearance and

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<v Speaker 2>finally they're given a thirty day sentence or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>We've caudled criminals, and now even with with people incarcerated,

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<v Speaker 2>they have the what the hubris to to stab prison

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<v Speaker 2>guards in.

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<v Speaker 5>A person and not just that damn but think about it.

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<v Speaker 5>It seems to be and again not being there, not

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<v Speaker 5>knowing until we hear more of an investigation, but it

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<v Speaker 5>seems to be very coordinated. When you have when you

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<v Speaker 5>have one seal getting stabbed, you have four others responding

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<v Speaker 5>and they're being injured. This is more than just one person.

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<v Speaker 5>It just seems just seems to be a coordinated attack.

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<v Speaker 5>And and you know, and you have to really feel

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<v Speaker 5>to these guys because they do work out of sight

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<v Speaker 5>of the public, right we don't see them every day

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<v Speaker 5>in their job, but you know, they go to work

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<v Speaker 5>every day in this incredibly dangerous environment. So many of

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<v Speaker 5>them get injured on the job because of this. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>we really need to we need to strengthen the protections

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<v Speaker 5>for them so that they can do their job, and

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<v Speaker 5>you know, look their babysitting, you know, the babysitting the

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<v Speaker 5>worst of Massachusetts misfits here, and we need to take

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<v Speaker 5>better care of our CEOs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the union apparently was the first to break this story,

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<v Speaker 2>and somehow, some way this went on imported. This occurred

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<v Speaker 2>six twenty last night, and I just you know, according

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<v Speaker 2>to the governor's statement that came with the soundbites from

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<v Speaker 2>the governor, that two of the officers were assaulted by

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<v Speaker 2>incarcerated individuals, doesn't say how many and sustained multiple stab wounds.

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<v Speaker 2>They apparently were just on a normal routine. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if it was bedcheck or whatever, but they were

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<v Speaker 2>basically doing what they're supposed to do. They were attacked

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<v Speaker 2>from behind, and then the other officers came to their defense.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank god. The officers in these facilities are outnumbered by

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<v Speaker 2>a big margin when you're compared to the number of inmates.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's four hundred inmates there. I wonder how

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<v Speaker 2>many officers are on duty at any time and the

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<v Speaker 2>public seems to get outraged and an inmates somehow gets injured.

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<v Speaker 2>If let's say there is a brawl and one of

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<v Speaker 2>the inmates claimed that one of the officers you know,

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<v Speaker 2>hit him while he was down. You'll have the a

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<v Speaker 2>c l U in court the next day, suing the

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<v Speaker 2>Department of Corrections. But there doesn't seem to be the

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<v Speaker 2>same amount of empathy, sympathy understanding that you've expressed as

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<v Speaker 2>to what these CEOs go through on a day in

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<v Speaker 2>a day out.

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<v Speaker 5>Basis, Yeah, exactly, these are not good people. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>We're not. This isn't a hotel, this is this is

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<v Speaker 5>prison for the most violent offenders that we have. As

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<v Speaker 5>you said earlier, lifers are there. This is the worst

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<v Speaker 5>of the worst. And you know when you when you

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<v Speaker 5>listen to the to the union's press conference, Makufu's press

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<v Speaker 5>conference today, you know they do know how to handle

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<v Speaker 5>these things. They know that they need resources. They're begging

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<v Speaker 5>for the resources that they need to keep their people safe.

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<v Speaker 5>They know how to respond to these things. They're just

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<v Speaker 5>not given the backup for it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm going to sort of throw this at

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<v Speaker 2>you as a rhetorical question, but it's not a rhetorical question.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to spend two billion dollars and people who

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<v Speaker 2>are arriving here in Massachusetts in effect unannounced in the

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<v Speaker 2>migrant shelter program, which is wonderful to take care of people. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's great, but where are our priorities if we don't

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<v Speaker 2>have enough money to hire enough prison guards to keep

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<v Speaker 2>not only the prison guards safe, but the other inmates

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<v Speaker 2>who are trying to do their time, behave act properly

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<v Speaker 2>and get out and get back into society. Are our priorities?

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<v Speaker 5>That's screwed up center, you know, as we're talking, of course,

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<v Speaker 5>that's the first thing I'm thinking is our priorities are

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<v Speaker 5>messed up. And that's really what comes down to the

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<v Speaker 5>executive branch. That's what comes down from the governor. What

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<v Speaker 5>are your priorities as we go forward, your priorities to

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<v Speaker 5>you know, punish the CEOs whenever they, you know, step

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<v Speaker 5>out of line or appear to step out of line.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, you're talking a very difficult job in which

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<v Speaker 5>sometimes you take an instance like this, split second decisions

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<v Speaker 5>are necessary. It's not a job that I would ever

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<v Speaker 5>want to do in my entire life. But we're just

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<v Speaker 5>thankful that we actually have people that do them. And

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<v Speaker 5>you know, we also have to remember these people leave

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<v Speaker 5>home every day, they kiss their wives goodbye. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>they say I love you, and you know they may

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<v Speaker 5>not come back, and this is what happens. So we

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<v Speaker 5>have to have our priorities straightened out here, I think

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<v Speaker 5>in Massachusetts, and I think we've really gone off track

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<v Speaker 5>on this and a number of things. Again, this is

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<v Speaker 5>an isolated incident.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess the state Senator Peter Durant, He's a Republican

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<v Speaker 2>from Spencer. His state Senate district is in really central Massachusetts,

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<v Speaker 2>Worcester County, amongst others. If you'd like to to Senator

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<v Speaker 2>Durant six one, seven, two, five, four to ten thirty

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<v Speaker 2>one of four I believe it's a hearty band of

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<v Speaker 2>four members of the state Senate who have an R

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<v Speaker 2>after their name. He is the most recently elected member

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<v Speaker 2>of the state Senate on the Republican side here in Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 2>We did reach out today to the correction Officers Union,

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<v Speaker 2>and my producer was not able to get a response

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<v Speaker 2>from the Corrections Officers Union. If there's anyone out there

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<v Speaker 2>who are corrections officers or anyone from the union and

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<v Speaker 2>you'd like to join the conversation, we'd encourage you to

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<v Speaker 2>call in as well as well as any of you

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty. The numbers here on Night Side also triple eight, nine, two, nine,

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty. Take a very quick break back. But State

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<v Speaker 2>Senator Peter Durant, this is a real problem that exists.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a problem with criminals who are out and amongst us,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a problem of criminals who are been incarcerated

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<v Speaker 2>and who have not been able to figure out how

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<v Speaker 2>to act even within a prison setting to maximize the

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<v Speaker 2>time that they're in there and to maximize minimize the

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<v Speaker 2>amount of time that they would have to stay in there.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you attack a prison guard, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think that's going to increase your chances to get parole,

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<v Speaker 2>at least that's been my experience. Join the conversation, coming

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<v Speaker 2>right back on Nightside with Massachusetts State Senator Peter Durant

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<v Speaker 2>of Central Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan ray Line from the window World

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<v Speaker 1>Lake Side Studios on w b Z, the news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>State Senator Peter Durant, Let's let's get some questions, some

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<v Speaker 2>calls going. You got a little bit of time for

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<v Speaker 6>I do good.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's let's get the phone calls. Then I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to go first to Kathy in Lunenburg. Lunenburg is fairly

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<v Speaker 2>close to that neck of the woods. The the Susan

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<v Speaker 2>Bereanowski UH prison is in Lancaster, fairly close to Lunenburg. Cathy,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome here tonight with Massachusetts State Senator Peter Durant got ahead.

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<v Speaker 7>Hi, Peter, thanks for taking my call.

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<v Speaker 6>Dan.

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<v Speaker 7>Back in twenty twenty, I actually ran for State Rep.

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<v Speaker 7>And at that time was the GOP nominee, and we

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<v Speaker 7>had spoken out because back in February twenty twenty there

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<v Speaker 7>was a similar incident that happened at SUSA Baronowski. I

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<v Speaker 7>know at that time a group of lawmakers did tour

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<v Speaker 7>the facility. In large part, it seemed at that point

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<v Speaker 7>Senator Jamie Eldridge was advocating strongly for prisoners, which still

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<v Speaker 7>seems to continue. I know there's been a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>talk of prisoners getting free phones and phone calls and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 7>And I just wondered, you know, because unfortunately, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>the Democrats of the supermajority right now on Beacon Hill,

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<v Speaker 7>we're when this happened back in twenty twenty, we had

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<v Speaker 7>expected we actually stood out and did a protest to

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<v Speaker 7>its USA Brenowski. We had expected some change to follow thereafter.

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<v Speaker 7>And was there anything in a positive direction from that

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<v Speaker 7>point that you're aware of, because I know I had

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<v Speaker 7>back then spoken with Kevin Flannagan from the Corrections Union,

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<v Speaker 7>and there was just a lot of frustration, and you

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<v Speaker 7>can see that it continues and change hasn't happened.

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<v Speaker 8>But get that question.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, there's I know you got a question here,

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<v Speaker 2>So go ahead and phrase that question if you.

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<v Speaker 7>Would, Well, where are democratic lawmakers on this issue other

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<v Speaker 7>than Jamie Eldridge.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, yeah, thank you for the question. You know, there's

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<v Speaker 5>there is a lot of frustration here and I think that, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 5>it takes these instances sometimes to bring people around and

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<v Speaker 5>try to get some movement on this. I do think

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<v Speaker 5>that we we've kind of moved in a direction with

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<v Speaker 5>some of the reforms that we've put into place to

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<v Speaker 5>make it more difficult to be a police officer, be

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<v Speaker 5>a correctional officer. We've seen that kind of movement in

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<v Speaker 5>the state, and you know, we really do need to

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<v Speaker 5>reverse that and move things around. Unfortunately, I don't want

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<v Speaker 5>to say that but you know, sometimes it takes a

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<v Speaker 5>tragedy to make that happen, and I hope this is

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<v Speaker 5>enough to do it, but you know, well that will

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<v Speaker 5>remain to be seen.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I hope that people continue to speak out to

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<v Speaker 7>their individual lawmakers, to continue to ask and you know

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<v Speaker 7>a lot of these corrections officers live. A lot of

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<v Speaker 7>them live in Lunenburg, and I know a number of

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<v Speaker 7>them that live in Lancaster as well, and I'm quite

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<v Speaker 7>similiar with this location of SUSA Baronowski. So I hope

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<v Speaker 7>that I hope that we see more people speak out

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<v Speaker 7>about this and because something must be done, and there's

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<v Speaker 7>got to be some common sense that comes into this

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we easily could have had Kathy. We easily could

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<v Speaker 2>have had a corrections officer killed more more than I

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<v Speaker 2>mean when this we almost did right twelve stab wounds.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll be interesting to see what the charges are brought against.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that the state and whoever, whether this

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<v Speaker 2>is the Attorney General's office, and Peter, you would know

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<v Speaker 2>better than I on this, whether it would be a

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<v Speaker 2>district attorney or the Attorney General's office, they should have

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<v Speaker 2>bring the hammer down. I'm sure that this videotape of

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<v Speaker 2>this incident. I would assume that there's there's cameras everywhere

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<v Speaker 2>inside of prisons, Am I correct Peter in that in that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, yeah, every in that prison should be covered,

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<v Speaker 5>and we are. Many of my colleagues are calling for

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<v Speaker 5>an investigation into this, a full investigation to find out

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<v Speaker 5>exactly what happened and what steps need to be be

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<v Speaker 5>taken to to try to ensure this isn't going to

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<v Speaker 5>happen again. I think that's a tall order. I think

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<v Speaker 5>that anytime you have inmates like this, who have nothing

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<v Speaker 5>to lose, who are violent, who have violent tendencies, this

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<v Speaker 5>is going to be part of the job. But we

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<v Speaker 5>we need to give them all of the resources that

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<v Speaker 5>we can so that they they can minimize this and

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<v Speaker 5>and try to make sure that it doesn't happen anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'd like to I'd like to find out how

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<v Speaker 2>many correction officers are on staff at any given time.

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<v Speaker 8>I'd like to not enough.

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<v Speaker 7>Not enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously, that's that's the correct answer, But the quest the

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<v Speaker 2>real question is how many more? And let's take some

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<v Speaker 2>of that money that we're using to house people in hotels, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and and let's let's redirect that money. We don't have

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<v Speaker 2>unlimited funds here in Massachusetts. So Kathy, I got to

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<v Speaker 2>let you go. Peter. Do you want to say for

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<v Speaker 2>another segment or thanks thanks very much Kathy for for

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<v Speaker 2>getting us going here. Peter. Can you stay for another segment?

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<v Speaker 2>Or do you.

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<v Speaker 5>It has been a long day. I was, I was.

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<v Speaker 5>I did spend two hours on the pipe with that

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<v Speaker 5>rollover that cursed it unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing was moving. That has to have been pretty frustrating.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw that. I didn't look at it carefully, but

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<v Speaker 2>the pike was just a dead stop. I saw there

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<v Speaker 2>was some couple who was on their way to getting married,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were taking pictures a memorable pre marriage photography session.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll take a break. I'd like to know from some

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<v Speaker 2>of the audience, are you ready to bring the hammer

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<v Speaker 2>down on any of these individuals, these these inmates who

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<v Speaker 2>went after these corrections officers, because if they just get

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<v Speaker 2>a slap on the wrist, you know, thirty thirty days,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't get you know, strawberries with their corn flakes

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<v Speaker 2>in the morning, or they denied an opportunity to watch

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<v Speaker 2>TV for an extra hour at night, or some that's

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<v Speaker 2>this is attempted murder. That's what it is.

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<v Speaker 6>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>It might be a lifer, but hit him with it hard,

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<v Speaker 2>because this sort of activity cannot be permitted to occur,

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<v Speaker 2>not only in Massachusetts or the streets of Massachusetts, but

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<v Speaker 2>certainly within the prisons. So I'd love to hear from

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<v Speaker 2>you if you're a corrections officer, if you are somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who's in that corrections union, you'd like to join the conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're a police officer, I think that the pendulum

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<v Speaker 2>now has to swing back, and we have to now

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<v Speaker 2>realize that maybe we have gone overboard, and we're more

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<v Speaker 2>concerned about prison convicted prison inmates and criminals than we

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<v Speaker 2>are of the men and women who have to keep

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<v Speaker 2>all of us safe. We're at home, we're sleeping nice

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<v Speaker 2>and soundly in our beds at night, while the correction

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<v Speaker 2>officer is on duty, and this is unfair. My guest

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<v Speaker 2>State Senator Peter Durant, Will Durant from Central Massachusetts will

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<v Speaker 2>take a quick break. I'd love to hear some outrage

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<v Speaker 2>from some of my uh some some of my listeners

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<v Speaker 2>on this one, because this is something you may feel.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't affect me because I'm not a corrections officer.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes it does, Oh yes it does. And what

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<v Speaker 2>happens to these inmates who attacked these corrections officers who

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<v Speaker 2>were simply doing their job, walking the tier or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>they were doing. They they need to be protected as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we go six one seven, two thirty six one seven,

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<v Speaker 2>nine three, ten thirty. If you've had enough here in

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<v Speaker 2>Massachusetts of coddling criminals and coddling those who have been

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<v Speaker 2>convicted of crime, this is your opportunity to give us

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<v Speaker 2>a call. Coming back with State Senator Peter Durant on

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<v Speaker 2>Night Side BOK. It's Night Side with.

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<v Speaker 1>Boston's News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>My guess state Senator Peter Durant. He's a Republican from

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<v Speaker 2>central Massachusetts. Five correction officers attacked yesterday Wednesday afternoon. One

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<v Speaker 2>is still in the hospital from twelve stab wolds, twelve sabos.

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<v Speaker 2>That's attempted murder in my opinion. And I hope, I

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<v Speaker 2>hope we see an example made of this inmate, who

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<v Speaker 2>obviously was carrying a home made knife. Peter, how do

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<v Speaker 2>you think this this inmate will be treated?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, you know, I do think that he will be

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<v Speaker 5>charged again. We don't know who this person is whether

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<v Speaker 5>or not. He's already in for life, so he's going

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<v Speaker 5>to be charged, He's going to hopefully get some kind

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<v Speaker 5>of increased confinement. I don't know if we do solitary

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<v Speaker 5>confinement anymore, or if we do, what the additional punishments are.

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<v Speaker 5>But as you stated, this is a tempted murder, and

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<v Speaker 5>you know, even if you're even if you're in for life,

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<v Speaker 5>you can't allow them to get away with this. So

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<v Speaker 5>there has to be increased punishment. I think there will be,

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<v Speaker 5>but we can't. It can't go unanswered because all this

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<v Speaker 5>is doing is we if we allow it to continue,

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<v Speaker 5>is is just set an example, nothing happens to us.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, the inmates are truly running the asylum at

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<v Speaker 5>that point.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Oh, and at that point is almost licensed to kill,

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<v Speaker 2>or license at a minimum, license to injure. Let me

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<v Speaker 2>go to Elizabeth in Lynn. Elizabeth, thanks very much for

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<v Speaker 2>calling in. You're almost State Senator Peter Durant. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>free to ask whatever question or make whatever comment you'd

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<v Speaker 2>like on this.

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<v Speaker 9>NI, thanks so much for covering this. I'm old and

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<v Speaker 9>I'm set up with the disrespect that the corrections officers,

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<v Speaker 9>the police officers. But law enforcement is not It does

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<v Speaker 9>not get the respect it deserves in a case like this,

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<v Speaker 9>those poor people who if they don't do this job,

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<v Speaker 9>who's going to do it? So we just set these

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<v Speaker 9>people free. And and I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe at some point in the future we can we

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<v Speaker 2>can put robots in these prisons, But then the robots

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<v Speaker 2>will be fat. I mean, I'm serious, who would who

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<v Speaker 2>would want this job?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 9>Exactly, and and and and they take pride in their careers.

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<v Speaker 9>They trained to do this, they get certified to do it,

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<v Speaker 9>and then you turn around and this happens, and and

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<v Speaker 9>I'm listening to this story, and I'm thinking to myself,

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<v Speaker 9>what's the punishment? Solitary confinement is only the beginning. I mean, uh,

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<v Speaker 9>cut their food back to rats and do something with

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<v Speaker 9>the food. And the other thing is a lot I

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<v Speaker 9>bet a lot of these people have family around. Ship

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<v Speaker 9>them to another state and and and make them feel

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<v Speaker 9>the I just I just have no no patience for

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<v Speaker 9>listened to people debate what should happen in a prison?

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<v Speaker 5>What should happen to know, Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 2>We're starting We're starting to lose our connection there one

423
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<v Speaker 2>thing that I think, uh, perhaps, and again, of course

424
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<v Speaker 2>they're going to have lawyers, civil liberties, union lawyers. I

425
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<v Speaker 2>don't see why you kind of look at someone like this,

426
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<v Speaker 2>Senator and work out something with the federal government. So

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<v Speaker 2>someone like this who has attacked and attempted to murder

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<v Speaker 2>a corrections officer, why can't he serve the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>his sentence in that supermax federal prison in Colorado.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And I think Elizabeth brings up a good point

431
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<v Speaker 5>is they have to feel the pain, right, they have to.

432
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<v Speaker 5>There has to be additional punishment here that that makes

433
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<v Speaker 5>them feel that there's some consequence to it, because otherwise

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<v Speaker 5>there's not. And you know, I think Elizabeth brings up

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<v Speaker 5>another point, and we've talked about this as well, is

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<v Speaker 5>that you know, we're seeing a decline in enrollment of

437
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<v Speaker 5>of not just correctional office but but police officers all together.

438
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<v Speaker 5>When we passed the Police Reform Act, it was it

439
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<v Speaker 5>really started this, this decline in police enrollment. Uh, And

440
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<v Speaker 5>people who've wanted to become part of this industry, part

441
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<v Speaker 5>of this part of this family, if you will, of

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<v Speaker 5>public safety, and that's really a shame and the reason

443
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<v Speaker 5>why they're doing that is because again is there's there's

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<v Speaker 5>more protection, there's more benefits for those who are breaking

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<v Speaker 5>the law than those who are trying to uphold it.

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<v Speaker 9>That was beautifully said. But the other thing I want

447
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<v Speaker 9>to ask you is, and I should have started with this,

448
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<v Speaker 9>what kind of what what kind of punishment have have

449
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<v Speaker 9>people in this environment been given in the past?

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<v Speaker 2>And you know.

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<v Speaker 9>A lot about what the climate is and how much

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<v Speaker 9>they with.

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth, Unfortunately we're losing you on the phone here. I

454
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<v Speaker 2>think the question of Peter is what has been done

455
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<v Speaker 2>to I don't know that we've had that many attacks

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<v Speaker 2>on corrections officers. Most people who are in prison, Peter,

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<v Speaker 2>I have found, and I have had many of them

458
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<v Speaker 2>who listen to my show and who have emerged in

459
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<v Speaker 2>better shape emotionally, psychologically, mentally, whatever you want to call it.

460
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<v Speaker 2>They will call this program and they will tell me

461
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<v Speaker 2>that they serve time. I had a gentleman called the

462
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<v Speaker 2>other night who served twenty one years for a crime

463
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<v Speaker 2>he didn't commit. He finally proved it through DNA that

464
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<v Speaker 2>he was innocent of the crime for which he has committed.

465
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<v Speaker 2>He talked about contemplating suicide, and we were talking about

466
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<v Speaker 2>suicide the other night. But he made the point that

467
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<v Speaker 2>he gets a small settlement from the Commonwealth Massachusetts, which

468
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<v Speaker 2>is cap because of his incarceration. But this guy had

469
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<v Speaker 2>an attitude. Okay, I survived that and I'm going to

470
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<v Speaker 2>maximize the rest of my life. He was telling me

471
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<v Speaker 2>he had a grandson and that he was going to

472
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<v Speaker 2>spend as much time with So there are people who

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<v Speaker 2>do go through the system and really turn themselves around,

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<v Speaker 2>and we cannot punish those people. And you know, we

475
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<v Speaker 2>have to give people every opportunity. But when someone is

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<v Speaker 2>so flagrant that they will attack a corrections officer stab

477
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<v Speaker 2>him twelve times, that person is lost. And as far

478
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<v Speaker 2>as I'm concerned, whatever you want to do with him,

479
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<v Speaker 2>we can't give him the death penalty. I get that,

480
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<v Speaker 2>we can't do anything that's cruel and unusual in violation

481
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<v Speaker 2>of the Eighth Amendment. I get that. But my suggestion is,

482
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<v Speaker 2>when they do something like this, have a crime that

483
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<v Speaker 2>says if you attack a corrections officer, work something out

484
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<v Speaker 2>with the federal government that you become immediately eligible upon

485
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<v Speaker 2>conviction for transfer to super maxim in Colorado. Because I

486
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<v Speaker 2>don't think that's a present that any of these guys

487
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<v Speaker 2>want to go.

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<v Speaker 5>To you know, I think that's a reasonable punishment. You know,

489
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<v Speaker 5>a couple of things though that I think we're said

490
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<v Speaker 5>to dan. You know, first of all, these instances that

491
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<v Speaker 5>rise to this level fortunately are rare, but I don't

492
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<v Speaker 5>think that, you know, you don't start here, right. This

493
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<v Speaker 5>is somebody who has probably been violent in the past.

494
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<v Speaker 5>And I think these you know, from what I hear

495
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<v Speaker 5>I'm talking to correction hosts, they're in fights all the time,

496
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<v Speaker 5>you know this, so it's not unusual for them to

497
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<v Speaker 5>have to to have to, you know, get in a

498
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<v Speaker 5>brawl with some of these inmates. Now, you're absolutely correct.

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<v Speaker 5>There are inmates who just want to serve their time.

500
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<v Speaker 5>They want to be rehabilitated and come out and just

501
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<v Speaker 5>go on with their life. And I think our sheriffs

502
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<v Speaker 5>who are running the county jails are doing fantastic work.

503
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<v Speaker 5>And you know, uh my sheriff is Sheriff lou of Angelitis.

504
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<v Speaker 5>He's doing fantastical by.

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<v Speaker 2>The way, with with Sheriff Evangelitis today and he said

506
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<v Speaker 2>great things about you and and your leadership on Beacon Hill,

507
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<v Speaker 2>by the way, just so.

508
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<v Speaker 5>You know, well, and you know he's he's a good friend.

509
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<v Speaker 5>And but he's doing great work and he's you know,

510
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<v Speaker 5>he's helping to you know, get those who want the

511
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<v Speaker 5>help right. And it's it's all gonna be within you.

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<v Speaker 5>You have to want to get out of there and

513
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<v Speaker 5>and turn your life around and and be rehabilitated and

514
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<v Speaker 5>and and find a job and do all those things

515
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<v Speaker 5>that you have to do. And lou has some great

516
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<v Speaker 5>programs that are helping people do just that, and his

517
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<v Speaker 5>recidivism is down, and that's what we got to look for.

518
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<v Speaker 5>But you're these individuals again, I think it's not going

519
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<v Speaker 5>out on a limb saying that this is not the

520
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<v Speaker 5>first time that this particular individual or these these individuals

521
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<v Speaker 5>who are involved with this have been involved in an

522
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<v Speaker 5>altercation in prison.

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<v Speaker 2>People who are who were stopped for speeding at one

524
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<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty miles an hour in the turnpike. It's

525
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<v Speaker 2>not the first time they went over the speed limit.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what you're saying. Eat all right, Peter Durant, Thank

527
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<v Speaker 2>you very much. Elizabeth. I'm sorry your phone broke up

528
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<v Speaker 2>on us, but you made some great points. Thank you

529
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<v Speaker 2>so much for joining us tonight. Thank you all right,

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Elizabeth. We're going to come back with State Senator

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Durant. I got Gary, and I got ed, and

532
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<v Speaker 2>I got room for you, and I want to hear

533
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<v Speaker 2>from you. Six one, seven two four ten thirty six

534
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<v Speaker 2>seven nine. We will switch topics. One. We're going to

535
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<v Speaker 2>let Peter Durant finish his day. It's been a long

536
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<v Speaker 2>day for him. State Senator Durant, uh. And then we

537
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<v Speaker 2>will be talking with the WBZ car guys, Larry and

538
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<v Speaker 2>Scott Rubinstein, answering all of your automotive questions. You want

539
00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:46.759
<v Speaker 2>to buy a new car, you want to sell your

540
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:48.440
<v Speaker 2>own car, you want to know what to how to

541
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<v Speaker 2>take care of your car coming into the fall and

542
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<v Speaker 2>driving season. That's why they're there tonight, and we will

543
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<v Speaker 2>talk to them right after the ten o'clock news. We're

544
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<v Speaker 2>going to finish up with State Senator Durant, who is

545
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<v Speaker 2>who's one of the most thoughtful members of the legislature.

546
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<v Speaker 2>I'm a little biased, frankly, because I want to see

547
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<v Speaker 2>more Republicans in both the House and Senate so that

548
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<v Speaker 2>we can have a more balanced legislature. And things like

549
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<v Speaker 2>this tend not to happen as often in legislatures in

550
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<v Speaker 2>states where legislators have legislatures have more philosophical balance. We'll

551
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<v Speaker 2>be back on Nightside right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

553
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<v Speaker 1>Nightside Studios on WBZ News.

554
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<v Speaker 2>Radio earlier tonight, at the beginning of the eight o'clock hour,

555
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<v Speaker 2>I told you that Knightside would be more exciting and

556
00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:42.079
<v Speaker 2>more informative than the Red Sox game I'm watching. You know,

557
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:44.279
<v Speaker 2>the Red Sox lost two to nothing, and Peter, I

558
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<v Speaker 2>know you're a Red Sox fan. They suffered the indignity

559
00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:49.799
<v Speaker 2>of a one hitter tonight. They were only able to

560
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:54.279
<v Speaker 2>be one hit from the number nine hit. All the

561
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:59.000
<v Speaker 2>big guys were three oh three, oh for three. Unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get back to the My son is almost ruined.

563
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<v Speaker 2>Let me go to Gary, Gary Wolver Gary, you're on

564
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<v Speaker 2>a state Senator Peter Durank, right ahead.

565
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<v Speaker 8>Gary, comment, and then I'll tell the question of Peter.

566
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<v Speaker 8>Donald Trump's famous for us come back to haunt us again.

567
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<v Speaker 8>We need to take care of ourselves.

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<v Speaker 6>Now.

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<v Speaker 8>The question is this is with felons, Okay, how do

570
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<v Speaker 8>they live? Peter and Dan, If you're a fellon, white

571
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<v Speaker 8>call a fellon or a violent sellon, isn't it twenty

572
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<v Speaker 8>three hours a day of lock up and only go

573
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<v Speaker 8>out of your jail cell for an hour.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't thanks for question. I don't believe that's the

575
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<v Speaker 5>case if you're just a sellon. I think that's the

576
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<v Speaker 5>case if they are for various levels, But I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know that I can answer that question.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that at super Max in Colorado, when you're

579
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<v Speaker 2>dealing with some of those high profile like Boston barmber

580
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<v Speaker 2>number two, they get an hour in the are today. Okay,

581
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<v Speaker 2>that is not the norm. Maybe that's what this guy

582
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<v Speaker 2>has to deal with for the rest of his life

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<v Speaker 2>at Susan Bereanowski or maybe, as I say, I'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to see him transferred out of the state uh and

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<v Speaker 2>put into a very controlled set of circumstances like super

586
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<v Speaker 2>Max in Colorado, And that might be a piece of

587
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<v Speaker 2>legislation we might want to think about.

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<v Speaker 5>Peter, Yeah, yeah, it makes sense that we need that

589
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<v Speaker 5>that next level and attempted murder.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're convicted for attempted murder of a prison guard

591
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<v Speaker 2>in a Massachusetts correctional facility, that your punishment, you know,

592
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<v Speaker 2>you work something out with the federal government where they

593
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<v Speaker 2>will take they will take these brutally vicious criminals off

594
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<v Speaker 2>the hands, and obviously they can handle him at supermax

595
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<v Speaker 2>better than can be at super Baronowski. Did you have

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<v Speaker 2>a question Gary as well or comment?

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<v Speaker 8>Did you want to have one last question? It goes

598
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<v Speaker 8>like it's gonna be an unusual question, but here goes

599
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<v Speaker 8>I know guys who have been to jail who are

600
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<v Speaker 8>friends of mine, misdemeanor and when they go to jail,

601
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<v Speaker 8>of course you got the machines with candy and soda

602
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<v Speaker 8>and all that, and you got the Raman marouched noodles

603
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<v Speaker 8>for two dollars a bag in the machine. My question

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<v Speaker 8>to you, Peter is this, we know that prisoners only

605
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<v Speaker 8>eat very light in food because that's you know, you

606
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<v Speaker 8>committed the crime. My question is this, if the if

607
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<v Speaker 8>the families are just sending in money for them to

608
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<v Speaker 8>eat from the machines and they're more affordable and they're fulfilled,

609
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<v Speaker 8>will not be a better prisoner where they're just saying

610
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<v Speaker 8>and that's tempted, that hurts somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's an interesting topic for another night, Peter.

612
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<v Speaker 2>But I think in view of what this guy did

613
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<v Speaker 2>to the prison guard, our focus should be on the

614
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<v Speaker 2>real victims in this crime, including the prison guard who

615
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<v Speaker 2>will stabbed twelve times. Thanks, Gary, appreciate you call. Let

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<v Speaker 2>me go next to Ed and Chelsea. Ed going to

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<v Speaker 2>get you in here with State Senator Peter Duryant before

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<v Speaker 2>we have to wrap the hour. Go ahead, Ed, Eddie there, Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Eddie you there, let's go. We're running out of time.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to get you under the wire. Go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes. Uh, well, it's always been violent inside there. I

622
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<v Speaker 6>did eleven years. I'm well aware of all the situation.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know this place you're talking about, but I'm

624
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<v Speaker 6>well aware of.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So let me ask you, as an alumnus of

626
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<v Speaker 2>the Massachusetts Correctional System, what how, what punishment should be

627
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<v Speaker 2>imposed upon an inmate who attempts to stab or successfully

628
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<v Speaker 2>stabs a correction officer twelve times and puts him in

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<v Speaker 2>the hospital. What what sort of a penalty do you

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<v Speaker 2>think would be?

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<v Speaker 6>He's done, He's done, He's done. The inmates don't want

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<v Speaker 6>it either. You don't understand what what? What? Everybody gets out?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, how how do we how do we treat give

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<v Speaker 2>us an idea? You're you're a guy who has more

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<v Speaker 2>experience inside than I do. When Peter does, what do

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<v Speaker 2>you do with this guy? Put him in solitary confide

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<v Speaker 2>then for for ten years? What do you how do

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<v Speaker 2>you punish him for this, particularly if he's already a lifer.

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<v Speaker 6>I'll bet you, I'll bet a dollar to a million

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<v Speaker 6>that this tension was building up for over a year.

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<v Speaker 6>Over a year. They've seen it.

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<v Speaker 8>God seen it.

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<v Speaker 6>The God said something about it, and no one did

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<v Speaker 6>nothing about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, fine, I'm with you. What do you do? What

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<v Speaker 2>do you do to this guy for punishment? Is there

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<v Speaker 2>a punishment?

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<v Speaker 6>Gun he's put now? The FEDS do have a situation

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<v Speaker 6>where you can send a state prison of two Feds.

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<v Speaker 6>I know that's for sure. Back then, okay, they sent you,

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<v Speaker 6>I was, I was, They sent me state, then they

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<v Speaker 6>sent me to FED. You send him to you send him?

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<v Speaker 5>Uh?

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<v Speaker 6>What is that one they have underground? The FED?

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<v Speaker 2>I was talking about super Max in Colorado, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>glad it was when your time and he came out

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<v Speaker 2>and you sound fine to me? Thank you tonight.

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<v Speaker 6>Thirty years thirty years fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Thirty ed call me some night and we'll talk more

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<v Speaker 2>about it. I'm flat out of time. I I admire

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<v Speaker 2>guys like you have been able to turn their lives around.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean that seriously.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you, Thank.

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<v Speaker 2>You, Senator Durant. How can folks get in touch with

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<v Speaker 2>you if they have ideas, maybe they'd like to support

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<v Speaker 2>what you're trying to do up there to say, hell,

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<v Speaker 2>what's the best way for people who on my program

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<v Speaker 2>want to support Peter Durant.

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<v Speaker 5>They can find me at Senator Durant dot com. And

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<v Speaker 5>we love to hear from you and go to Senator

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<v Speaker 5>Durant dot com and and reach out.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds great, Peter again, long day, Thank you for your

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<v Speaker 2>time tonight. You're the best.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you Daniel very much.

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<v Speaker 2>You're welcome. You're welcome. When we get back, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about cars with the WBZ car guys. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so looking forward to talking with Larry and Scott Rubinstein.

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<v Speaker 2>They are the best. We haven't had them on for

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<v Speaker 2>more than four months. They are long overdue. Get the

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<v Speaker 2>phone calls going, because they will be here. They will

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<v Speaker 2>take your calls, but it'll be tough to get in

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<v Speaker 2>once the phone calls fill up. Sixty six, one, seven, nine, three,

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<v Speaker 2>one ten thirty. Nightside comes right back talking automobiles with

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<v Speaker 2>Scott and Larry