Speaker 1: Stuck at home board and alone.
Speaker 2: You'd think I could have some fun on my own,
Speaker 2: but I'm board.
Speaker 3: I'm pot af with Cecily and Stephanie.
Speaker 4: Hi, everybody, Welcome to boord af Patreon edition with me,
Speaker 4: Stephanie and Cecily.
Speaker 1: Guess what it's time for?
Speaker 3: Yay our play theater.
Speaker 1: We have the theater for you. We've brought you the theater.
Speaker 2: If you listen, done this before, we are going to
Speaker 2: be well, Steph you you set it up.
Speaker 4: Okay, So, uh, there's there's Apparently it's kind of a
Speaker 4: famous story if you have ever heard of the producer
Speaker 4: named Mark Brazil.
Speaker 1: And if you haven't, if you just go to his
Speaker 1: wiki page Mark Brazil.
Speaker 4: He's a stand up comic, television creator and executive producer,
Speaker 4: and he's most well known as being the co creator
Speaker 4: of That seventy show and also he co created That
Speaker 4: eighty show, which failed miserably was canceled by Fox after
Speaker 4: only thirteen a half hour episodes.
Speaker 1: Okay, so if you look at.
Speaker 4: Mark Brazil's wiki page, the very third thing down is
Speaker 4: conflict with Jet Appatow, and it says.
Speaker 5: In late Wikipedia page this is.
Speaker 4: The setup in late two thousand and one Jet Appatow
Speaker 4: sought to have tofer Grace of that seventy show appear
Speaker 4: in an episode of his series Undeclared. Okay, so that's
Speaker 4: actually good to know, because it can be a little
Speaker 4: bit confusing, because keep in mind, this is well after
Speaker 4: the fact of what they're talking about, which is the
Speaker 4: Ben Stiller Show. So this initiated a string of heated
Speaker 4: emails between the two. Brazil claimed that Appatow had still
Speaker 4: in his idea.
Speaker 2: Okay, don't tell Okay, We're just gonna this is where
Speaker 2: the acting comes in.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: Yes, the emails were subsequently leaked and widely circulated online,
Speaker 4: and now, okay, we're going to read them for you.
Speaker 2: The part of Jut Appatel will be played by Cecily Noble.
Speaker 1: And the part of Mark Brazil will be played by me.
Speaker 1: And the reason we do.
Speaker 4: This is because Jut is kinder and funnier and Mark
Speaker 4: is angry.
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not, I'm not funnier. I like somehow I like
Speaker 2: I'm like, yes, I am nicer. Okay, so there's no
Speaker 2: rhyme or reason to this. We're not really going to
Speaker 2: do the voice because that's annoying. I don't know how
Speaker 2: to do a jet Aptel voice anyway, but we'll do
Speaker 2: our best. Okay, Ah you ready? Yeah, Mark, I'm writing
Speaker 2: you because I left a message but did not hear back.
Speaker 2: I understand from Gail Berman that you were upset about
Speaker 2: me not calling you to ask if Tofer could do
Speaker 2: our show.
Speaker 3: Since Fox execs, we're talking to tof.
Speaker 2: For about it. I thought it was cool with you. Also,
Speaker 2: since I hadn't ritten it yet, I wasn't at the
Speaker 2: point of asking if it was possible to have him
Speaker 2: do it. I would have called your show. Then I
Speaker 2: mentioned the names of several people who were interested in
Speaker 2: doing cameos on our show to the Variety Guy. They
Speaker 2: decided to only mention Tofer. Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned it.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize it would create a problem. I never
Speaker 2: wish to offend you. If there's some protocol to people
Speaker 2: on Fox doing guest shots on other Fox shows, I
Speaker 2: didn't know what it was. Regardless, I'm sorry that this
Speaker 2: resulted in such a mess. If you're mad at me
Speaker 2: about this or something else from our past, please tell me.
Speaker 2: I only remember us having fun in the early nineties,
Speaker 2: and it troubles me that it seems like you have
Speaker 2: a beef with me. Best regards, jud Apatow.
Speaker 4: Jud, Yeah, we were friends in the early nineties, and
Speaker 4: if you don't recall what happened, I'll remind you. I
Speaker 4: had a pilot at MTV called yard Dogs, about a
Speaker 4: rock band living in Hollywood. I told you about it,
Speaker 4: and you proceeded to completely rip it off storyline at
Speaker 4: all for the Ben Stiller show. You called it Grungies.
Speaker 4: MTV and UTA were working on an overall deal MTV's
Speaker 4: idea with me based on that pilot. When it turned
Speaker 4: up on your show, everything went away overnight. I had
Speaker 4: just had my son, Jack, and I had no job,
Speaker 4: no money, nothing. There's a saying I forgive, but I
Speaker 4: don't forget, and I don't forgive. So now you know,
Speaker 4: although I kind of think you already did, Mark, Mark.
Speaker 1: Should we butt in and talk about this?
Speaker 2: I think we should. Let's keep going, Okay, Mark, I
Speaker 2: truly don't remember anything that you're talking about. Jeff con
Speaker 2: wrote the Grungy Sketch, a parody where we did we
Speaker 2: did Seattle bands as the Monkeys. He did spell Monkeys wrong. Yes,
Speaker 2: I don't remember you ever calling me after that. Saying
Speaker 2: you were mad. Ben and I would get fifty sketches
Speaker 2: a week from the writers, and we'd pick the ones
Speaker 2: that we thought were funny. I never connected the two,
Speaker 2: even they don't seem similar. Ours was like a goofy,
Speaker 2: over the top parody, not a situation comedy about musicians.
Speaker 2: In la nobody watched our show, so I don't even
Speaker 2: see how that could be the reason your pilot died.
Speaker 3: The sketch aired.
Speaker 2: Once up against sixty minutes, so it didn't have any
Speaker 2: impact in town. I'm sorry you're upset. I am not
Speaker 2: a thief of ideas. I'm sorry you believe differently. Judd
Speaker 2: Apatow jed.
Speaker 4: The show I wrote was also over the top and
Speaker 4: it let down the fourth wall. Since it's registered at
Speaker 4: the WGA, you could compare the two, and as an
Speaker 4: exec producer, we both know you have input into every sketch.
Speaker 4: As for no one seeing the show, everyone knows everything
Speaker 4: in Hollywood, there are no secrets. Personally, I feel you've
Speaker 4: made a career out of being a sycophant to Carrie
Speaker 4: or Shanley or Roseanne, and when you were kissing ass
Speaker 4: you were stealing from lesser known comics are leeching off
Speaker 4: other people's ideas.
Speaker 1: Celtic Pride, Cable Guy.
Speaker 2: Whoah.
Speaker 4: I noticed how outraged you were not to get a
Speaker 4: writing credit on Cable Guy.
Speaker 1: Until it came out and was panned.
Speaker 4: You dropped that cause like the show biz weasel you are.
Speaker 4: You may not think you're a thief, but most comics
Speaker 4: know otherwise. And again you know that too. Have you
Speaker 4: ever read What makes Sammy Wren? I think you'd like it?
Speaker 4: Get Cancer Love?
Speaker 1: Mark?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, oh god, I need a minute.
Speaker 2: Mark.
Speaker 1: Come on.
Speaker 2: We all wrote for comics at the beginning of our careers.
Speaker 2: I wrote for Roseanne. You wrote for Dennis Miller. If
Speaker 2: that makes me a sickofant, then I guess I am,
Speaker 2: and so are the writers for Caesar's Hour. I dropped
Speaker 2: my Cable Guy lawsuit not because the film got bad reviews,
Speaker 2: but because I spent eighty grand on it and my
Speaker 2: lawyer told me I was gonna lose. You'd be upset
Speaker 2: if you rewrote the vast majority of a script and
Speaker 2: received no credit. I wish you'd called me about this
Speaker 2: years ago. I'm sure we could have worked it out.
Speaker 2: Try not to be so angry.
Speaker 3: Not everyone is as.
Speaker 2: Bad as you think you should call Jeff Con and
Speaker 2: ask him how that sketch originated. If it turned out
Speaker 2: that I didn't steal your ideas, would you still want
Speaker 2: me to get cancer? I swear to god, I didn't
Speaker 2: know you were mad about this until six weeks ago.
Speaker 2: I was still referring to you as my old friend.
Speaker 2: Maybe one day I'll be able to say that again.
Speaker 2: Jud Appatol, Wow, he's being too nice. Okay, Okay, I'll
Speaker 2: be Jeff Cohn because I know.
Speaker 3: Jeff CON's in here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right now, I don't know Mark. Okay, this is
Speaker 1: a quickie. Mark, it's come to my attention.
Speaker 4: You're upset with Jet Appatow about the sketch the Grunges.
Speaker 1: I completely understand why you would have been.
Speaker 4: Pissed off about seeing something similar to what you are
Speaker 4: working on at the time. However, the idea for the
Speaker 4: Grungies and all the initial writing and rewriting came from me.
Speaker 4: I also cast it, acted in it, and edited it.
Speaker 4: I was and still am influenced by pop music, and
Speaker 4: I thought it would be funny to satirize the seriousness
Speaker 4: of the Seattle grunge music scene with the ridiculous superficiality
Speaker 4: of the Monkeys nineteen sixty show. I hope this clears
Speaker 4: up any misunderstanding. By the way, huge fan of that
Speaker 4: seventy show. Congratulations on its well deserved success. I also
Speaker 4: think it's so cool you said it in Wisconsin. I
Speaker 4: went to the University of Wisconsin at Madison and loved it.
Speaker 4: If you have any other questions, don't hesitate to email me.
Speaker 4: Jeff con Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Okay, So now Judg's back in. So I'm Judd Mark Mark.
Speaker 1: Oh you're oh sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 2: I have no interest in talking with you on the
Speaker 2: phone anymore. It seems like there was a leap, like
Speaker 2: he tried to call him on the phone or something. Yes,
Speaker 2: and Jude didn't want to talk. I know you're very successful,
Speaker 2: and I think that gives you the right to judge.
Speaker 3: Wait, and I think that gives you the right.
Speaker 1: To judge Pepink.
Speaker 2: I think that gives you the right to judge people
Speaker 2: and berate them regardless of the facts. But I've had
Speaker 2: enough of you for one day. I know it's hard
Speaker 2: to believe that your rock band tv idea, which every
Speaker 2: writer in this town has thought of at one point,
Speaker 2: was not on my mind happy Year after you told
Speaker 2: it to me. Yeah, you thought of breaking the fourth
Speaker 2: wall grout show, and George.
Speaker 3: Burns stole it from you. Maybe you should sue Bernie Mack.
Speaker 3: Why don't you see.
Speaker 2: The guys who have had the new show How to
Speaker 2: Be a Rock Star on the WB I must have
Speaker 2: told them your idea.
Speaker 3: Nobody has ever.
Speaker 2: Goofed on rock bands, not spinal tap or the is
Speaker 2: it Ruddles the Ruddles or eight hundred Saturday or eight
Speaker 2: hundred Saturday Night Live sketches.
Speaker 3: I should have.
Speaker 2: Told everyone on the show, no rock band sketches. That's
Speaker 2: Brazil's area, the area. So hold on to your hate
Speaker 2: and rage, even though it makes no sense. I'm going
Speaker 2: to go back to my life of fevery and leeching.
Speaker 2: As for the cancer, I'll wait till you get it,
Speaker 2: and then I'll steal it from you. By the way,
Speaker 2: that joke was one of my writers, Rodney Rothman. We
Speaker 2: know him him, See I credited him. See I have
Speaker 2: no original thoughts. Sorry, I bothered to figure this out.
Speaker 4: Oh that's brilliant, jud How appropriate that you had to
Speaker 4: use someone else's joke to take a swipe at me.
Speaker 4: I told you my idea. You did it two weeks
Speaker 4: later ver batim spew revision as shit all you want.
Speaker 4: Everyone knows you're a hack. Also, everyone knows how you
Speaker 4: fucked over Paul Fig on the new show. All your
Speaker 4: press mentions your brilliant freaks and geeks, as if Fig
Speaker 4: didn't do the series, it must have killed you when
Speaker 4: the true genius behind it got nominated for an Emmy.
Speaker 4: Is your wife still livid about someone in the neighborhood
Speaker 4: building a house just like hers? Tell her I know
Speaker 4: how she feels. The reason I called was to tell
Speaker 4: you to piss off. We'll never be friends, regardless of
Speaker 4: the pussy whining from your last email. I respect you
Speaker 4: zero see at the upfronts, bitch, well unless you get
Speaker 4: canceled before that. Until then, die in a fiery accident
Speaker 4: and taste your own blood.
Speaker 1: Is that too? Angry? Love Brazil?
Speaker 3: Oh my god? Okay, this one's a little bit long.
Speaker 3: Should I skip some of it?
Speaker 2: No? Mark, I hope your anger is a joke, because
Speaker 2: if it isn't. Wow, here's a line by line reply.
Speaker 2: I have starred the replies. If you're confused by my
Speaker 2: format and then okay, so you have to you reread
Speaker 2: the line.
Speaker 4: Okay, how appropriate that you had to use someone else's
Speaker 4: joke to take a swipe at me.
Speaker 3: That was the joke.
Speaker 2: How interesting that you couldn't understand that you would think
Speaker 2: someone with the lineage of yard Dogs have the intellectual
Speaker 2: acumant to pick up on that. I feel for the
Speaker 2: writers that have to pitch to you, never doubt how
Speaker 2: much they hate you.
Speaker 4: I told you my idea, You did it two weeks
Speaker 4: later verbatim spew revisioned as shit all you want.
Speaker 5: How could I hear your idea, steal it and then
Speaker 5: have it aired two weeks later? It was a filmed
Speaker 5: sketch show. Sketches were written months before they aired. They
Speaker 5: were filmed six weeks before they aired. I thought you
Speaker 5: were a purduece sir. Shouldn't you understand how these shows
Speaker 5: are made? Do you start writing episodes two weeks before
Speaker 5: they air? Maybe you stole Yard Dogs from me.
Speaker 1: Everyone knows you're a hack.
Speaker 2: That's why I kiss the ass. Let me know who
Speaker 2: thinks I'm a hack, so I can kiss their ass
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 3: I also suck dick lately.
Speaker 2: That's how I got my DreamWorks deal.
Speaker 4: Also, everyone knows how you fucked over Paul Fig on
Speaker 4: the New show. All your press mentions your brilliant freaks
Speaker 4: and geeks, as if Fig didn't do the series, it
Speaker 4: must have killed you when the true genius behind it
Speaker 4: got nominated for an Emmy.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's hard for you to believe, but I
Speaker 2: do not control the national media.
Speaker 3: That is only true in your paranoid mind.
Speaker 2: If I create a show that they often mention, if
Speaker 2: I create a show they often mentioned the last show.
Speaker 2: If you create a new show by yourself, I doubt
Speaker 2: they'll spend a lot of time talking about the Turners
Speaker 2: when they write about that eighty show, I'm sure they
Speaker 2: won't even mention that seventy show. I wrote an entire
Speaker 2: article in the La Times, a cover story in the
Speaker 2: case that credited Paul for his work. He went from
Speaker 2: a struggling actor to an established writer producer over the
Speaker 2: course of a year. He's still my friend, and I'm
Speaker 2: happy that he was nominated for two Emmys.
Speaker 3: He deserved it. I wasn't upset about his Emmy nominations.
Speaker 3: I already have enough.
Speaker 2: The certificates are so big, you can only hang so
Speaker 2: many before it starts looking tacky.
Speaker 1: Kind of like boorned af magnets.
Speaker 4: Yes, is your wife still livid about someone in the
Speaker 4: neighborhood building a house.
Speaker 1: Just like hers? Yes, well tell her I know how
Speaker 1: she feels.
Speaker 3: I'm on it.
Speaker 4: The reason I called was to tell you to piss off.
Speaker 4: We'll never be friends, regardless of the pussy winding from
Speaker 4: your last email.
Speaker 2: The funniest part of of these emails is how bad
Speaker 2: your sense of humor is. You neither get nor can
Speaker 2: take a joke after you said get cancer? Did you
Speaker 2: really think I was looking to heal our relationship? Usually
Speaker 2: the cancer insult is a closer. I'm sure everyone who
Speaker 2: suffered with that appreciates.
Speaker 3: Your sharp wit.
Speaker 1: I respect you zero.
Speaker 4: Oh no, see it the upfront, bitch, Well, unless you
Speaker 4: get canceled before that.
Speaker 2: If you think cancelation hurts me at this point, you
Speaker 2: haven't been following my career as closely as I thought.
Speaker 3: I guess you're too busy tracking my real estate.
Speaker 4: Problems until then die in a fiery accident and taste
Speaker 4: your own blood.
Speaker 2: That's a Sam Kinnison line, You stupid, fuck you hypocrite, Jacques.
Speaker 3: And then that's too angry?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, is that too angry?
Speaker 3: Love?
Speaker 1: Brazil.
Speaker 3: Mark, I have enjoyed this.
Speaker 2: It's good to see the tragedies of the past few
Speaker 2: months have have not watered down your passion. I guess
Speaker 2: if Mark Brazil doesn't go insane over stuff that makes
Speaker 2: no sense, the terrorists win. Good luck with that eighty
Speaker 2: show and I look forward to that nineties show Judd Apatow.
Speaker 3: That is so great?
Speaker 1: Is that brilliant?
Speaker 2: That's the end of our Yeah, that is Yeah, let's
Speaker 2: break that down.
Speaker 3: First of all, I mean Mark Brazil's insane.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, so insane, even if because we've had
Speaker 6: stuff stolen, both of us and it really does hurt,
Speaker 6: and you sometimes you get so mad and you don't
Speaker 6: even know where to put it, even if, like if
Speaker 6: someone said back to me immediately like oh my god, no,
Speaker 6: I'm so sorry you felt the way like here's who
Speaker 6: wrote it, and here's I can even send you their
Speaker 6: email or the sketch.
Speaker 3: Right, why would you continue?
Speaker 2: I mean, why would you hate him that much?
Speaker 4: I mean he's crazy and he was like super successful
Speaker 4: at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you is there any part of you that
Speaker 2: thinks it was all for shit? This ally was all
Speaker 2: a joke? Like remember when Letterman used to have fake
Speaker 2: feuds with people. It was never real.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think so it's possible. How do
Speaker 1: we crack this case?
Speaker 4: I mean it's kind of famous, so I don't know.
Speaker 4: I feel like Mark Brazil might just be an asshole.
Speaker 2: I mean he's like a because that's not just like
Speaker 2: a crazy drug fueled that. I mean that seemed like
Speaker 2: that went over some time. That wasn't all in one day, right.
Speaker 4: I mean the whole thing where he's like I was
Speaker 4: when I wrote Yard Dogs, when I had that deal,
Speaker 4: I just had a kid and I had no job
Speaker 4: and no money, Like he's really thinking that.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Also, can we discuss the fact that Jed Appatow's spelling errors,
Speaker 4: Like he put a lot of like apostrophes where they
Speaker 4: didn't belong, and it was just it's interesting, it is
Speaker 4: I'm seeing that it is.
Speaker 2: That's why I was a little bit tough to read sometimes.
Speaker 2: But you know, it does tell you something. It doesn't
Speaker 2: mean that you have to like be perfect grammatically to
Speaker 2: be a great writer. But he had some help, So
Speaker 2: maybe that helps make Mark's point of like, are you.
Speaker 1: The hack was that? I think?
Speaker 4: But I think that it doesn't matter because Jed Appatow
Speaker 4: it was obviously good at kissing ass and you know,
Speaker 4: getting things to.
Speaker 1: Happen, which is happened to Battle of the Nine more
Speaker 1: than that, And I think that's true.
Speaker 2: I think first of all, and I know jud was
Speaker 2: your ex lover for those who don't know, excellent, We've
Speaker 2: talked about that extensively. Yeah, stuff had an affair, not
Speaker 2: an affair. They were both single, Yeah, not an affair.
Speaker 2: They used to mess around. But I love him regardless
Speaker 2: of him not becoming like your husband I and I'm
Speaker 2: glad that didn't happen. But I think he's brilliantly talented.
Speaker 3: Not everybody feels that way.
Speaker 2: I actually love when I see something that he's going
Speaker 2: to put something out, even if it's not its best,
Speaker 2: I know it's going to be better than a lot
Speaker 2: of things.
Speaker 4: Well, what I said about him back then and what
Speaker 4: I still maintain now is he was such a funny
Speaker 4: stand up.
Speaker 1: I mean he was really original and funny and not
Speaker 1: a hack at all.
Speaker 3: I mean no, no, no, no.
Speaker 4: So that that's completely wrong and all obviously just coming
Speaker 4: out of anger and jealousy.
Speaker 2: I love that this all started over Toe for Grace,
Speaker 2: who by the way, for a very long time, you know,
Speaker 2: when we used to make like celebrity cheat lists, which
Speaker 2: I think we've talked about, but like, I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: not cheating on anybody now, but like when I had
Speaker 2: a boy i'd have my celebrity toaf for.
Speaker 3: Grace was always on my celebrity.
Speaker 1: She was your hall pass.
Speaker 2: He was my hall pass, which is so stupid, like
Speaker 2: it was to for Grace Martin Freeman from the off
Speaker 2: the original BBC Office, Huh, Like I like like a
Speaker 2: very impish, dowey, blue eyed gentleman.
Speaker 4: So that should have been threatening to any boyfriends because
Speaker 4: they're gettable.
Speaker 3: Well my joke, that was my that's my exes.
Speaker 2: Jeff always said that because I would be like him
Speaker 2: the barista at Starbucks, Kevin, and he's.
Speaker 3: Like he he can't be your hall It's gonna be celebrities.
Speaker 3: I'm like, he'll he's.
Speaker 2: Gonna be famous someday, Kevin the baris so is gonna
Speaker 2: be pretty big.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was kind of gettible. Really, Martin Freeman is definitely gettable.
Speaker 2: I think it wasn't then anyway, Okay, that's that's our show.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I hope you enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: We're gonna find some more of the If you guys
Speaker 2: like bees, we'll find some more and do them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh for sure. Oh John, I'll beyond that. He
Speaker 4: could be our producer for that. Oh yes, he'll find
Speaker 4: us some stuff.
Speaker 1: Okay, we love you guys. Thank you, guys, thank you.
Speaker 4: We're sorry, right, okay, bye,