Speaker 1: Welcome to political beatdown. I'm Ben mysel is joined by
Speaker 1: Michael Cohen. I'm reminded by the song we didn't start
Speaker 1: the fire. It seems right now, Michael Cohen, since the election,
Speaker 1: in particular, the world is a powder keg. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're seeing a right wing leader in South Korea and
Speaker 1: President Yun try to declare martial law. We see pro
Speaker 1: democracy protests in Georgia. We can see what's going on
Speaker 1: in Syria as rebels there took over Aleppo, which is
Speaker 1: the first time they made serious advancements since twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: You've got Vladimir Putin struggling with some of his own
Speaker 1: issues there, but making it very clear on state media
Speaker 1: or through state media, how happy he is about Donald
Speaker 1: Trump's picks. You've got the press into Mexico pushing back
Speaker 1: against Donald Trump. You've got tumult in Canada. You've got
Speaker 1: the parliament disbanding in France right now. And you know,
Speaker 1: all of these dominos, Michael Cohen, are no coincidence. America
Speaker 1: is integral to a stable world order. And one of
Speaker 1: the messages that Putin wanted to get out through an
Speaker 1: oligarch on state run DV is that any negotiations or
Speaker 1: discussions about Ukraine must be done within the broader context
Speaker 1: of a new world order with Russia.
Speaker 2: As its leader.
Speaker 3: We talked about that on the last episode of Political Beatdown.
Speaker 3: They leak that through the Financial Times, and so you know,
Speaker 3: I understand that, you know, for lots of people who
Speaker 3: tuned out, I actually don't fully understand how they did.
Speaker 3: But people who tuned out, maybe this was all hypothetical,
Speaker 3: this was all games, this was all rhetoric, but you
Speaker 3: see the reality abroad. And then also Cohen, We've been
Speaker 3: doing a lot of videos that I don't really enjoy
Speaker 3: doing the f around and find out series of union
Speaker 3: leaders who believe that deals that Trump told them we're
Speaker 3: gonna happen, they're now pissed that Trump's coming out and
Speaker 3: saying that these deals shouldn't happen. You've got black Republicans
Speaker 3: upset that there's only one black individual who's on the cabinet.
Speaker 3: You've got communities like in Georgia, for example, that have
Speaker 3: huge amounts of migrant populations in the carpentry industry, and
Speaker 3: they're saying, we're not gonna be able to sustain ourselves.
Speaker 3: In places like Marjorie Taylor Green's district that overwhelmingly voted
Speaker 3: for Donald Trump. Same thing, mass deportations potentially starting in Miami,
Speaker 3: so and that was an area that turned Trump. So
Speaker 3: Cohen a lot going on right now, a lot of
Speaker 3: chaos going on, and I think it's important while the
Speaker 3: media is still obsessed with I don't know, buying into
Speaker 3: Republican frameworks about Hunter Biden or whatever stupid things they're
Speaker 3: talking about, we need to orient our lens, our microphone,
Speaker 3: I think, on what's really happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, look, one of the things that you and
Speaker 2: I have both said for a year and now since
Speaker 2: we started this beatdown brigade, if you have a strong America,
Speaker 2: you have a strong world. If you have a weak America,
Speaker 2: you will have a weak world. And we're seeing that
Speaker 2: right now. I can't tell you the number of people
Speaker 2: that are walking around right now, all absolutely just like zombies,
Speaker 2: not sure what's going to happen. Is this related? Is
Speaker 2: it not related? And then Ben, as you said, they're
Speaker 2: not talking about things that are going to affect you
Speaker 2: and us. They're talking about things that still are on
Speaker 2: the gripe list of the now president elects campaign. Hunter Biden,
Speaker 2: Joe Biden. We're talking about the pardon. I mean, we're
Speaker 2: talking about everything that really has no effect on us.
Speaker 2: You know, in one of the podcasts that I have
Speaker 2: coming up, one of the things that I do is
Speaker 2: I draw an analogy, which is what happened here? How
Speaker 2: did so many people end up deciding that Donald Trump
Speaker 2: is the better candidate? His messaging was better. I'll grant
Speaker 2: you that it was shorter. It talked about gasoline and groceries.
Speaker 2: But here's what they missed. They were looking at the
Speaker 2: trees while ignoring the forest, plain and simple. They got blindsided.
Speaker 2: They got attracted to the shiny object right in front
Speaker 2: of them. It's like, you know, like what you do
Speaker 2: to a baby, right when the baby needs to be distracted,
Speaker 2: you know, you put something in front of their face,
Speaker 2: you iglated set of keys and so on. That's what
Speaker 2: happened here. And now, all of a sudden, you see
Speaker 2: all this regret coming out, and I say, fuck you.
Speaker 2: I say to them, fuck you. You don't have a
Speaker 2: right now to regret. When you turn around and you
Speaker 2: exactly fell for the con. When you're talking about steel
Speaker 2: workers now pissed because they were there backing. You know,
Speaker 2: the candidate Trump, and so they did gut punch. Trump
Speaker 2: upsets local union leaders by opposing US steel in the
Speaker 2: Pond deal. How about all of the Muslim Americans, whether
Speaker 2: it's in Pennsylvania all the way to Michigan. How about
Speaker 2: all the Muslim Americans that are angry at this administration
Speaker 2: over how things are going in the Gaza, and so
Speaker 2: they elected to vote for Trump or not to vote
Speaker 2: at all. We call that protest votes. Right, Well, guess what,
Speaker 2: Look at what you have now with a Mike Huckabee,
Speaker 2: with Mike Johnson, with the entire group turning around, and
Speaker 2: Jared Kushner talking about leveling Gaza and turning it into
Speaker 2: expensive vacation homes. Seriously, you got what you wanted. Now
Speaker 2: it's our responsibility ours to stay informed, stay active, stay
Speaker 2: in the know here on the Midas Touch Network, on
Speaker 2: my Michael Cohen YouTube channel, on my Maya Kulpa podcast,
Speaker 2: stay in the know, because if and I use that term,
Speaker 2: if if things go bad, you're gonna need to know
Speaker 2: what we can all do together as the collective community
Speaker 2: that Ben talks about all the time with such loving,
Speaker 2: with such loving grace. Right, we are a community here
Speaker 2: and our job is going to be to make sure
Speaker 2: that our voices are heard, and that if that means
Speaker 2: we all have to show up and start protesting, that's
Speaker 2: what we're going to need to do. So Michael Cohen.
Speaker 3: Here was the headline, gut punch. Trump upsets local union
Speaker 3: leaders by opposing the US Steel Nippon a deal. The
Speaker 3: Japanese company that's made this fourteen billion dollar offer to
Speaker 3: buy US Steel. US Steel says that's going to have
Speaker 3: to lay off people if it doesn't accept this offer.
Speaker 3: The article goes on to talk about a guy named Jason.
Speaker 3: The guy, Jason Za guy was there at all these
Speaker 3: Trump rallies in Pittsburgh, rallying all the union workers to
Speaker 3: vote for Donald Trump. Well, this is a controversial deal nationwide,
Speaker 3: it's not contraver. Within their local two to to seven,
Speaker 3: they support this deal ninety five percent. And Donald Trump
Speaker 3: led him on to believe that he was going to
Speaker 3: support this deal. Then Donald Trump posted, I'm strongly against this.
Speaker 3: I do not want to do this deal. Buy or beware,
Speaker 3: you know, And that's going to basically cost as a
Speaker 3: guy and probably the people he represents their jobs, you know.
Speaker 3: And then we see, you know, this guy Sean O'Brien.
Speaker 3: You know who I've been focusing on a lot. He's
Speaker 3: the head of the Teamsters. There seems there's not an
Speaker 3: invite to mar A Lago that he refuses to accept.
Speaker 3: He's always there. Thank you, Donald Trump, Thank you Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: He refused to endorse President Biden or Vice President Kamala Harris,
Speaker 3: despite Biden and Harris being the most pro union, pro worker,
Speaker 3: bottom up, middle out in the history. And here's where
Speaker 3: you need leaders, because I get it. Look, sometimes rank
Speaker 3: and file people you know, are very busy. They're getting
Speaker 3: all this disinformation streamed at them. They're working lots of
Speaker 3: hours to support their family. But leaders need to step
Speaker 3: up and lead. But instead you've got Sean O'Brien given
Speaker 3: the all thumbs up with Donald Trump over and over again.
Speaker 3: And everybody knew that Elon Musk would basically be serving
Speaker 3: as a co president for Donald Trump. Maybe the visuals
Speaker 3: of Elon Musk next to Trump are a bit jarring,
Speaker 3: but like the rhetoric here, I'm about to play you
Speaker 3: by Elon Musk is the same thing that Trump says.
Speaker 3: They've repeatedly said.
Speaker 2: How do you say that? Because one of our brigators
Speaker 2: here Brenda. She literally it's almost like she was reading
Speaker 2: my mind. It's right, I don't get it. You voted
Speaker 2: for him, Now you want to complain about it. Seriously,
Speaker 2: that's not how it works. Now. What we have to do, Ben,
Speaker 2: what we need to do with our brigaders is make
Speaker 2: sure again everybody stays in the know. And don't think
Speaker 2: that you do by watching the news elsewhere, because there's
Speaker 2: so much mess information and bullshit that's going on. There's
Speaker 2: so much lying that's going on. We may need to
Speaker 2: be incredibly vocal when it comes to the midterm elections
Speaker 2: because the way our founding fathers established this system, we
Speaker 2: actually have a lot more power than people think, and
Speaker 2: we're going to possibly we might have to really make
Speaker 2: sure that we use it so that we don't end
Speaker 2: up losing our democracy. We don't end up losing our rights.
Speaker 2: And trust me, if there's anybody that knows about losing
Speaker 2: their constitutional rights, it's me.
Speaker 3: You know, if someone were to say throughout their lives,
Speaker 3: you know, I hate Midas touch, I hate Ben, I
Speaker 3: hate the Midas Mighty, and repeat it over and over again,
Speaker 3: and then they ran on a campaign and then they
Speaker 3: said I hate you, but I'm gonna do great things
Speaker 3: for you. Okay, I hate you, but I'm gonna do
Speaker 3: great things for you. That's basically the equivalent of what
Speaker 3: Trump did, you know with all these different groups that
Speaker 3: he somehow convinced of over Mede. Trump's come out before
Speaker 3: and said how much he hates unions. He laughs at
Speaker 3: the idea of union workers getting fired for striking. His
Speaker 3: views and Elon Musks on unions are aligned where they
Speaker 3: don't think that unions should exist.
Speaker 2: So let me share with you.
Speaker 3: This is a video that was well known about Elon Musk,
Speaker 3: and Elon Musk always says these types of things. Trump
Speaker 3: says stuff like this. Here's Musk's view about unions. He
Speaker 3: says that he doesn't even think, he doesn't believe even
Speaker 3: in the concept of unions. And here's why let's play
Speaker 3: this clip.
Speaker 4: I disagree with the idea of unions, but perhaps for
Speaker 4: a reason that is different than people may expects, which
Speaker 4: is I just don't like anything which creates kind of
Speaker 4: a lords and peasants sort of thing. And I think
Speaker 4: the unions naturally try to create negativity in a company
Speaker 4: and create a sort of lords and peasants situation.
Speaker 3: Tesla factory workers in California are working so hard they're
Speaker 3: passing out on the production line. How do people buy that? Like,
Speaker 3: if you're in a union, an Elon Musk, who's worth
Speaker 3: three hundred billion dollars, an actual lord versus peasant dynamic
Speaker 3: before you, and that the unions are just simply negotiating
Speaker 3: so that you can get fair pay, fair pay so
Speaker 3: you can have a living wage, so you could literally live.
Speaker 3: And then you're gonna go with Elon Musk who says
Speaker 3: that unions create a lord's and peasants dynamic, you know.
Speaker 3: And we're seeing now all of these emboldened billionaires right
Speaker 3: all out of the shadows now saying where the oligarchs here?
Speaker 3: We are everybody, look how rich we are. And they're
Speaker 3: flaunting it now to Cohen, did you notice that, whether
Speaker 3: it's you know, a Jeff Bezos or others of that ilk,
Speaker 3: they are doing the oligark dance that we saw in Russia.
Speaker 3: And then they're like, oh, well, I'm very very confident
Speaker 3: this is what Bezos said. I'm very very confident that
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to a Trump term because I just
Speaker 3: think there's so much regulation right now that's really anti business. Dude,
Speaker 3: you're worth three hundred billion dollars, and you amassed massive
Speaker 3: wealth while Biden was in office as well, which regulations existed.
Speaker 2: Let's be clear, though, Let's be clear about something. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna grant you one hundred percent of what you said.
Speaker 2: He meaning Elon Musk, made more money during the Biden
Speaker 2: administration than ever before in his entire life. In fact,
Speaker 2: I would even go so far as to say that
Speaker 2: the recent increase in his net worth by another eighty
Speaker 2: plus billion dollars while that took place on Biden's watch,
Speaker 2: it is the direct result of Trump winning the election.
Speaker 2: He made over eighty plus billion dollars since Trump won
Speaker 2: in November. I want you to imagine the kind of
Speaker 2: numbers that we're talking about. This is not a joke.
Speaker 2: It's not a joke when you know they're now in
Speaker 2: charge of imagine this dojie program Department of Government Efficiency. Seriously,
Speaker 2: when they talk about cutting two trillion dollars from our budget,
Speaker 2: remembering that our budget is somewhere about seven billion, they
Speaker 2: want to cut two billion or a third of the budget.
Speaker 2: These only one First of all, if you seventy what
Speaker 2: is it? Uh? I think it's like seventy five percent
Speaker 2: of our budget is fixed in stone. You cannot change.
Speaker 2: It's only twenty five percent, which amounts believe it or not,
Speaker 2: to one point five billion. Even if they cut all
Speaker 2: of that, you know what that's cutting. That's cutting like
Speaker 2: one hundred and nineteen billion dollars from veterans' health, veterans affairs.
Speaker 2: You're talking about Medicare, Medicaid, You're talking about nih You're
Speaker 2: talking about the FBI. I mean, you're talking about Bureau
Speaker 2: of Prisons. You talk, I mean, give me a fucking break.
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? You're gonna cut the entire budget
Speaker 2: for example of the FBI? Really? I mean, who even
Speaker 2: talks like this? Who? I mean? Instead, they're talking about
Speaker 2: tax breaks, they're talking about getting rid of regulation. What
Speaker 2: are we doing? What is what is going on here?
Speaker 2: I mean? And the worst, I'm not even gonna put
Speaker 2: Trump in this in this category, it's the people that
Speaker 2: are surrounding him. Each one of them has a vested
Speaker 2: interest in taking on the role that is being offered
Speaker 2: to them. And look, I want to give you guys
Speaker 2: an inside perspective of exactly what happened in twenty sixteen
Speaker 2: when Trump won there was no transition book, which is
Speaker 2: historically what every single president does. You take all of
Speaker 2: the slots that need to be filled, started with the
Speaker 2: cabinet all the way down. It's like a thousand plus
Speaker 2: positions that need to be filled, and that includes everybody
Speaker 2: from ambassadors to consulates and so on. And there's a
Speaker 2: real team, a real team that works on this for
Speaker 2: months and months, and they speak to people on a
Speaker 2: daily basis and then they vet them. Well, that's not
Speaker 2: what happened with us. In twenty sixteen, all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: I had Jared Kushnin shows up to my office. They
Speaker 2: give me a stack of papers about an inch stick
Speaker 2: that has all of the open slots with a bunch
Speaker 2: of lines underneath each one. Fill in the names of
Speaker 2: anybody that you think would be good for that spot. Really,
Speaker 2: so am I going to say, Oh, yeah, Attorney General?
Speaker 2: How about Ben Marcellus. He's a lawyer, he represented Colin Kaepernick,
Speaker 2: he's a smart guy, he teaches at USC. Sounds good
Speaker 2: to me. Let's make him fucking attorney general. And then
Speaker 2: they turn around they ask him, Hey, Ben, how many
Speaker 2: trials have you been a prosecutor? Right? And he says no, Well,
Speaker 2: maybe don't. Oh, you know what, Ben's good with the checkbook.
Speaker 2: Let's make him secretary of the Treasury. Come on, this
Speaker 2: is what's happening here. And every single person it's either
Speaker 2: one of the billionaire class that surrounds him, like a
Speaker 2: Linda McMahon, right, who gave Trump many millions of dollars
Speaker 2: with her husband Vince McMahon of the WWE. McMahon's let's
Speaker 2: give her education. Let's give this one that one. Let's
Speaker 2: take the entire team over at Fox News and let's
Speaker 2: bring them into the White House, because these are people
Speaker 2: that we worked with.
Speaker 3: You mentioned my representation of Colin Kaepernick. One of the
Speaker 3: things in that experience that fascinated me back then in
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen twenty seventeen was to watch how lots of
Speaker 3: people identified this is a parallel to now with ownership
Speaker 3: with the billionaire owners over the labor because people imagined
Speaker 3: themselves with that kind of wealth, and they would see
Speaker 3: the billionaire owners and they would think that's attainable for me,
Speaker 3: and the billionaire owners would make them think that is.
Speaker 3: And so the flashy lifestyle and the Lamborghinis and the
Speaker 3: mansions and the yachts, people thought I could be the
Speaker 3: owner and basically be the lord over the peasant when
Speaker 3: the real lords are treating you like the peasant and
Speaker 3: are stopping you from advancing. What Donald Trump was able
Speaker 3: to do was to convince basically people who he's keeping
Speaker 3: in peasant like conditions that he's one of them. But
Speaker 3: ultimately he is the biggest voice of the lords, the
Speaker 3: oligard class in the United States of America that is
Speaker 3: directly screwing these people. And who is he appointing to
Speaker 3: his cabinet? Who is he appointing to senior administration officials?
Speaker 3: Billionaires about nine of them already, nine billionaires. People who
Speaker 3: don't even have experience in the areas, you know, like
Speaker 3: a billionaire who's now running the United States Navy, who
Speaker 3: runs a hedge fund, who was never in the navy.
Speaker 3: You know, you have a deputy.
Speaker 2: By the way, he's a friend. He's a friend of
Speaker 2: mine for twenty years.
Speaker 3: Not in the navy doesn't change that deputy is a deputy,
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, I'm a friend of yours. Would
Speaker 3: you want me to be the head of the Navy.
Speaker 2: No? But he did marry a Dallas cowboy cheerleader.
Speaker 3: He married a Dallas cowboy cheerleader. But going to the.
Speaker 2: Point that I by the way, he's a very smart guy,
Speaker 2: but you're not wrong. I mean, you know, listen, as
Speaker 2: a kid, he sat in the bathtub with a little
Speaker 2: rubber ducky and a boat. And now all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: the secretary of the Navy. Look, I used to watch
Speaker 2: Star Trek as a child. You're gonna put me in
Speaker 2: charge of Space Force. I mean, you know, at some
Speaker 2: point in time, we could have so much fun, you know,
Speaker 2: poking at this thing. The problem. This isn't supposed to
Speaker 2: be funny. This is this is our country, this is
Speaker 2: our protection, this is our national security. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I used to have multiple firearms I was licensed to carry.
Speaker 2: Does that now you're gonna put me in charge of
Speaker 2: the FBI? Come on, my dad's a surgeon. My dad's
Speaker 2: a head and neck reconstructive surgeon. You're gonna make me
Speaker 2: the head of the HSS. You know.
Speaker 3: Look, people are angry, and I think that one of
Speaker 3: the fundamental misunderstandings by the Harris campaign was that people,
Speaker 3: actually a lot of them, didn't want to go forward.
Speaker 3: They weren't looking for the hope. They were looking to
Speaker 3: vent their anger at somebody, right, and Donald Trump was saying, look,
Speaker 3: they're eating your cats and dogs. It's the migrants, it's
Speaker 3: this group, it's trans people. Here here, here's who did
Speaker 3: this to you. But it was always Trump. It's the Kaiser,
Speaker 3: so same moment, right, of the usual suspects. It's Trump.
Speaker 3: He's the one doing it to you. And it's Trump
Speaker 3: policies that put you in this position. That's what needs
Speaker 3: to be articulated.
Speaker 2: No, no, Ben, No, I'm sorry. We put ourselves in
Speaker 2: this position because I want to delay you a shiny
Speaker 2: object in front of their nose, all right.
Speaker 3: I want to debate that with you. We got to
Speaker 3: take our first quick break of the show. I want
Speaker 3: to remind everyone about Michael Cohen's YouTube channel at the
Speaker 3: Michael Cohen Show. Go to at the Michael Cohen Show now.
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Speaker 3: We held a lovely live. It was fun seeing it
Speaker 3: everyone at that line. We have a recording of it
Speaker 3: in case you missed it that Zoom meeting, but join
Speaker 3: us in the next Zoom meeting next week. We would
Speaker 3: love to see there, Colin, we're going to debate that
Speaker 3: we got to take our first quick break.
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Speaker 3: So let me show we were having a debate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll show you. Love it, you and I.
Speaker 3: You and I were having a debate before the ad break,
Speaker 3: where you know, I was framing the issue more in
Speaker 3: terms of this billionaire class and Trump as their vessel
Speaker 3: doing this to us, and your response was more like, no,
Speaker 3: we did this to ourselves. So I want to flesh
Speaker 3: out that discussion. But let me just show you these
Speaker 3: two things.
Speaker 2: First.
Speaker 3: First, I want to show you Jeff Bezos at the
Speaker 3: recent New York Times summit. I'll just show you a
Speaker 3: short clip of this. Let's play it.
Speaker 5: We're talking about Trump. I think it's very interesting. I'm
Speaker 5: I'm actually very optimistic this time around that we're going
Speaker 5: to see. I'm very hopeful about this is he seems
Speaker 5: to have a lot of energy around reducing regulation, and
Speaker 5: my point of view, if I can help him that,
Speaker 5: I'm going to help him.
Speaker 3: What about the idea that he thinks that the press
Speaker 3: is the enemy, Well.
Speaker 5: I I think he I'm going to try to talk
Speaker 5: him out of that idea. I don't think the press
Speaker 5: is the enemy. And I don't think you know, he's
Speaker 5: also you've probably grown in the last fight years he
Speaker 5: has too, like it's you know, this is not the case.
Speaker 5: The press is not the enemy.
Speaker 3: I hope you're right, he goes, I hope you're right.
Speaker 3: And he's not right because we've heard what Donald Trump said.
Speaker 3: There's nothing to indicate that Donald Trump's changed at all.
Speaker 3: And Bezos, right there is basically admitting, in my opinion
Speaker 3: that look, we're okay with some fact. I'll try to
Speaker 3: I'll try to talk Trump out of the fascism, okay,
Speaker 3: but less regulation. And meanwhile, Bezos is worth, by my
Speaker 3: last check, two hundred and twenty eight point four billion dollars.
Speaker 3: Two hundred and twenty eight point four billion dollars. Who
Speaker 3: actually needs that amount of money? Let me show you
Speaker 3: this with Bill Gates though as well, because here's a
Speaker 3: short moment of it. I'll'll show you a very short clipment.
Speaker 2: If you got ninety nine percent of your money, you'd
Speaker 2: still be a multi billionaire.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, it's one hundred and thirty eight billion
Speaker 3: dollars and I can do.
Speaker 2: Math right, If you get rid of ninety nine percent,
Speaker 2: I'd have one point three billion. I'm so sorry, you know.
Speaker 3: And you see the people laughing there, you.
Speaker 2: Know, what's money? What's funny about that?
Speaker 3: Actually exactly what's fun what is funny about that? And
Speaker 3: you have going back to what Elon Musk said about unions, right,
Speaker 3: this is why I say this is the billionaires who
Speaker 3: are pushing this agenda with all of their money, saying,
Speaker 3: you know what, it's the unions that are causing to
Speaker 3: lord peasant dynamic, you know when he says it, and
Speaker 3: I'm the rocketman and so I'm supposed to be, you know,
Speaker 3: and he's smart. I mean, he's still created these or
Speaker 3: helped build these companies. But then people like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe unions are creating a lord peasant dynamic and that's
Speaker 3: why I'm not getting a living wage while these billionaires
Speaker 3: are out there like saying aha, and then they've amassed
Speaker 3: like the most money ever. And this was in my
Speaker 3: view though, Cohen, here's the thing, this was a concerted
Speaker 3: agenda by billionaires who had lots of money in the
Speaker 3: seventies and eighties, but they wanted it all and they
Speaker 3: spent all this time crushing people. And people are pissed
Speaker 3: now and so they're just blaming incumbents or whoever you
Speaker 3: tell them to get angry at. But this was a plan, Cohen, don't.
Speaker 3: I don't blame the people. The people were forced into this,
Speaker 3: I think by billionaires.
Speaker 2: But you disagree, Yeah, I don't think the billionaires forced anybody.
Speaker 2: When you saw Elon Musk jumping up and down, you know,
Speaker 2: acting like a four year old on the stage, or
Speaker 2: you saw you know, I heard some of the comments
Speaker 2: that were being made by people like Rfk. Stop we
Speaker 2: all have a response. Twenty million Democrats didn't even vote
Speaker 2: during this election cycle, possibly, as we have said a
Speaker 2: million times on this show and others, the most consequential
Speaker 2: election of our lifetimes, and it was too fucking hard
Speaker 2: for them to get up and go to the voting
Speaker 2: station and cast their vote. Really, how does something like
Speaker 2: that happen. Twenty million Democrats didn't vote, and then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden you had unions. It was Joe Biden
Speaker 2: and Kamala Harris that walked the picket line. That's number one.
Speaker 2: It was Kamala Harris and Joe Biden that are trying
Speaker 2: to create some sort of a two state solution instead
Speaker 2: of listening to now, what's going to be Mike Huckabee,
Speaker 2: who doesn't even believe to use the term Palestine. He
Speaker 2: goes back to the old biblical name. And they don't
Speaker 2: even believe that a two state solution should even be
Speaker 2: a thought. Right. I'm not saying that it should be.
Speaker 2: I don't know the situation well enough to apply, but
Speaker 2: not to even have a thought that they want to
Speaker 2: level the whole place, and that Trump's going to come
Speaker 2: in on day number one and said, if you don't
Speaker 2: return the hostages right now, right now, we're going to
Speaker 2: level the whole place. Stop. This isn't how things are
Speaker 2: supposed to work.
Speaker 3: Well, let me push back a little bit on the
Speaker 3: on some of the premise. So number one, we the
Speaker 3: people elected representatives who passed on a bipartisan basis twenty
Speaker 3: years ago or so campaign finance reform. Right, there was
Speaker 3: campaign finance that was then challenged by Republicans, the precursors
Speaker 3: to the kind of MAGA movement. It went before the
Speaker 3: Supreme Court, a case called Citizens United was heard, and
Speaker 3: then they ruled. The Supreme Court right wing Supreme Court
Speaker 3: ruled that unlimited amounts of money by billionaires can be
Speaker 3: spent through political action committees and unlimited monies can go
Speaker 3: into the elections. The people voted for people who passed legislation,
Speaker 3: and a right wing Supreme Court said that corporations are
Speaker 3: people and have a First Amendment right to interfere in elections.
Speaker 3: So to me to blame the people for what the
Speaker 3: Supreme Court justices as part of a right wing agenda
Speaker 3: did to kind of topple the American experiment. You know,
Speaker 3: I think is I think, I think there's something there. Also,
Speaker 3: sixty percent of Americans have below a sixth grade education,
Speaker 3: so fifth grade or less. Because one of the things
Speaker 3: that Republicans have done and will continue to do, and
Speaker 3: we see this with the Doge Committee, what are they
Speaker 3: going to attack the Department of Education? What do they
Speaker 3: want to do? Replace history books with bibles in the classroom.
Speaker 3: And while I believe people who have strong religious convictions
Speaker 3: who want to read a Bible can do so in
Speaker 3: their private time and their free time at their places
Speaker 3: of worship, they want to replace history books with Bibles,
Speaker 3: and they're doing that in places like Oklahoma right now.
Speaker 3: No longer separation of church and state, which is kind
Speaker 3: of the types of things that you and I learned
Speaker 3: in Cohen, even when I'm a little bit younger than you.
Speaker 3: But even when I went and grew up and took
Speaker 3: history courses, I learned about civics. I learned about how
Speaker 3: a bill becomes a law. I still watched the Schoolhouse
Speaker 3: Rocks type of stuff. I'm telling you this generation right
Speaker 3: now and the younger crew that's that's always perpetually on
Speaker 3: social media. This generation right now that voted for Donald Trump,
Speaker 3: they're on their tiktoks, that's what all they're looking at.
Speaker 3: They're not getting any type of civics education at all
Speaker 3: about things that are happening, and so they're just going
Speaker 3: by what their favorite podcaster is telling him, or what
Speaker 3: this person or that person is telling him. So I
Speaker 3: hear you that. Obviously, in a democracy, it is we
Speaker 3: the people who have the ultimate responsibility. But I do
Speaker 3: want to be clear that just the same way that
Speaker 3: nicotine and drugs can have a powerful influence over people,
Speaker 3: billionaires using money to prop up this.
Speaker 2: You know that's my except, right, except here's here's the thing.
Speaker 2: Let me let me say this. Do you recall how
Speaker 2: many times ben I said people don't listen to what
Speaker 2: you're hearing. Trust your eyes and trust your ears. If
Speaker 2: what you're hearing is that shit crazy, and you don't
Speaker 2: need an education to know that something that shit crazy.
Speaker 2: That people in Springfield, Ohio are eating cats and stop. Stop,
Speaker 2: it's just stupid, all right. And you know you see
Speaker 2: people on television turning around and saying, my pet's not gone.
Speaker 2: My pet found its way to the basement. And then
Speaker 2: we ultimately found the cat a day later. Right, you
Speaker 2: see it with your eyes, you hear it with your ears.
Speaker 2: Trust your eyes, trust your ears, and don't let them
Speaker 2: tell you that your eyes aligning, you that your ears aligning.
Speaker 2: That's the whole problem here, all right. This isn't that
Speaker 2: I don't care how many times you tell a bullshit story.
Speaker 2: A bullshit story should always be considered a bullshit story.
Speaker 2: And thank god for groups like Midas, Touched Network, and
Speaker 2: others like a Lincoln project. We are out there twenty
Speaker 2: four to seven trying to yell. I try to yell
Speaker 2: from the rooftops any place that I could do it,
Speaker 2: to turn around and to say stop stop. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that all of Trump's policy sees a bed.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: Some of them I actually agree with. But what I
Speaker 2: don't like is the manner to which that they're being
Speaker 2: rolled out or by the individuals that this transition team
Speaker 2: that's working for Trump. By the way, I think they're
Speaker 2: screwing Trump up something royally. This transition team did no
Speaker 2: research at all on any of these people, from the
Speaker 2: Pete hegsets to Matt Gates. They had to clearly know
Speaker 2: it wasn't going to work for them. But it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter the people that are being asked for
Speaker 2: us to trust to run these massive departments. Forget about
Speaker 2: the fact that they have no experience in it, they
Speaker 2: have their own personal problems, and that they shouldn't have
Speaker 2: been offered the nomination in the first place. It goes
Speaker 2: back to what I was saying before. They're all scrambling
Speaker 2: right now to fill positions, and I know it because
Speaker 2: I saw it coin.
Speaker 3: You know, the word of the year from Oxford Dictionary,
Speaker 3: it's brain rot. And you know, to your point in theory,
Speaker 3: when people hear stupid things, they would react a certain way.
Speaker 3: But like we're living in these different kind of meme wars.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, what do you hear on TikTok
Speaker 3: all this stupid stuff about like barn saying my suitcase,
Speaker 3: my suitcase. You know, I was there for that videotape
Speaker 3: and that would repeat over and over and over again.
Speaker 3: But I think that was released to kind of normal
Speaker 3: try to normalize the facily. But all I heard of
Speaker 3: people going around me, you know, was like, oh.
Speaker 2: My suitcase, my suitcases.
Speaker 3: And I'm just like, all right, stop with the suitcase thing.
Speaker 3: But then he but then talking about brain rot. I mean,
Speaker 3: just think about over the past twenty four hours. I mean,
Speaker 3: there's like literally a person right now. I think her
Speaker 3: name is like Halle Welch who's called like the Haktua
Speaker 3: girl because she was asked when she was leaving a
Speaker 3: club like what makes men happy? And she goes, I
Speaker 3: haktua on them, which is a reference to a sexual
Speaker 3: thing that went viral. People made all these songs about Haktua.
Speaker 3: She got a podcast, she got all this money, and
Speaker 3: she leveraged it to sell this meme coin, you know
Speaker 3: the way Trump sells like crypto. She sold this meme coin.
Speaker 3: And here's the barstool right here.
Speaker 2: I think it was called the Tua coin.
Speaker 3: It was called the Tactua coin, and it goes barstool rights.
Speaker 3: The Haktua girl launched a meme coin. Everybody lost their money.
Speaker 3: People want her throne in jail, and then this other
Speaker 3: person goes yep, that's the twenty twenty four US economy
Speaker 3: in a nutshell. So yes, when Donald Trump's out there
Speaker 3: saying eating dogs and eating cats, and remember this is
Speaker 3: an era where people spent millions of dollars to buy
Speaker 3: the haktuah coin like and it's ridiculous. But what we
Speaker 3: have to recognize is brain rot is a real thing.
Speaker 3: I think you have to channel people's anger though in
Speaker 3: the right directions and say na, no, no, it's there.
Speaker 3: This is who's doing it to you?
Speaker 2: You have to Yeah, let me jump in for quick
Speaker 2: second here. What made this young lady so virally famous
Speaker 2: is because it was salacious. It was something that was
Speaker 2: a literal ten second clip It was somebody asking her,
Speaker 2: you know something, you know sexual, and then she gave
Speaker 2: this thing. You got a hat and spin on that thing, right,
Speaker 2: and that went fucking viral nuts. You know what didn't
Speaker 2: go viral nuts? Bend me standing on top of the rooftops,
Speaker 2: going on every station from ABC to NBC, to CBS
Speaker 2: to CNN to MSNBC, going there and saying, we have
Speaker 2: a real serious problem. I am me, Michael Cohen, am
Speaker 2: the first political prisoner held by this country because I
Speaker 2: refused to waive my First Amendment constitutional rights. And I've
Speaker 2: been trying to explain that if they could do that
Speaker 2: to me, they can and they will do that again.
Speaker 2: Going forward, Lo and behold this morning. My buddy Jeffrey Levine,
Speaker 2: friend of mine since high school. He's a lawyer. I
Speaker 2: asked him if he would do me a favor. The
Speaker 2: day I was required to go down to five hundred
Speaker 2: Pearl Street to meet with Department of Probation, these two people,
Speaker 2: Adam Pecoula and his superior Enid Phoebus. I was asked
Speaker 2: to go there in order to sign the Federal Location
Speaker 2: Monitoring Agreement. You probably all remember that when I was
Speaker 2: unconstitutionally remanded. Well, we have been fighting now for four
Speaker 2: years in order to get the documents under foyer. Well,
Speaker 2: lo and behold. After the court required them to do it,
Speaker 2: they start shitting it out in bits and pieces. Well,
Speaker 2: last night we got a couple of hundred documents.
Speaker 3: The Cohen before going before going into it, we have
Speaker 3: to take I want you to tell people what's in
Speaker 3: those documents is crazy.
Speaker 2: Stay with us.
Speaker 3: We got to take our last quick breakup of the show.
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Speaker 3: To political Beatdown. Michael Cohen. During that break, right before
Speaker 3: the break, you told us that you actually got these
Speaker 3: Foyer documents. I want to hear what was in them,
Speaker 3: and I do want to remind people though. You know,
Speaker 3: one of the frustrations that I had when I was
Speaker 3: a civil rights lawyer, when I would be representing people
Speaker 3: like you, is you would make Freedom of Information Act
Speaker 3: request because in order for you as the lawyer to
Speaker 3: file documents for your pleadings, guess what you need. You
Speaker 3: kind of need the documents. You need the facts, you
Speaker 3: need the evidence. And in business dispute cases sometimes you
Speaker 3: have them right because the emails go back and forth.
Speaker 3: Maybe there's a contract and you may have the corpus.
Speaker 3: Not all of them that you get during discovery, but
Speaker 3: you get them during discovery. Also, in civil rights cases,
Speaker 3: when you file the complaint, the other side brings a
Speaker 3: motion to dismiss right and that stops discovery in most
Speaker 3: so you don't get to get these documents. And then
Speaker 3: when you file the complaint, usually before you file it,
Speaker 3: the police department or in this case, the Department of
Speaker 3: Justice and the FBI and the Bureau of prisons. They
Speaker 3: don't turn over the records. So you go turn them over.
Speaker 3: They go, no, turn them over. I really need them. No,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to get exemption. You can go to court. Hey,
Speaker 3: we're citing the ongoing investigation exemption.
Speaker 2: You get it. So you want one that turns out
Speaker 2: as methods and process could be harmed.
Speaker 3: So you went all the way up to the Supreme
Speaker 3: Court on the lawsuit that you filed. They rejected your petition,
Speaker 3: but you didn't.
Speaker 2: Even have the documents. Now you got.
Speaker 3: I wanted to give everybody the framework that now you
Speaker 3: got the documents.
Speaker 2: So why this is important is one of the reasons
Speaker 2: that I've been yelling this across the world day in
Speaker 2: and day out, whether it's here or my podcast or
Speaker 2: anywhere that I could, is because what happened to me,
Speaker 2: I don't ever want to see happen to you. And
Speaker 2: I know we have a bunch of assholes you know
Speaker 2: that watch us stay you know, each and every week,
Speaker 2: and you make these nasty comments about well you work
Speaker 2: for him and so on. Yeah I did when he
Speaker 2: was the president and CEO of a family run real
Speaker 2: estate branding development company. Yeah, and yes, yes, I thought
Speaker 2: he was going to be a totally different type of president.
Speaker 2: But my biggest concern after obviously everything went south, was
Speaker 2: that it should not ever happen to you, and it
Speaker 2: should never happen to anybody else. And when we start
Speaker 2: to see people like Matt Gates being offered positions of
Speaker 2: attorney general, I promise you this would be the norm. Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about Pambondi, you know, in terms
Speaker 2: of what she would it would not do. I did
Speaker 2: support her because Trump directed us all to years ago,
Speaker 2: but I don't know whether she would do it, whether
Speaker 2: she's that much of an actolyte. But here's what happened
Speaker 2: with one out of several hundred documents that I just saw,
Speaker 2: and it was the second one. So that's why I
Speaker 2: was able to put up because I've been doing other things,
Speaker 2: like working on my third book. But this is from
Speaker 2: Sonya Thompson, who is Assistant General Counsel to the Bureau
Speaker 2: of Prisons, to Hugh Horowitz, who is the Eastern Division
Speaker 2: representative for the Bureau of Prisons, to a guy named
Speaker 2: Emery Nelson, who is a he's like the pr guy
Speaker 2: for the Bureau of Prisons. And you know what they
Speaker 2: have in their memo the subject, do you have concerns
Speaker 2: and what did the concerns talk about? The concerns talked
Speaker 2: about A Reuter's journalist asked them a series of questions.
Speaker 2: You said earlier that Cohen didn't agree to electronic monitoring.
Speaker 2: At what point did this occur? Our understanding is that
Speaker 2: he was at the courthouse to review the terms of
Speaker 2: the agreement and he never even got a chance to object. Also,
Speaker 2: the BOP policy of pre approved for media interviews is
Speaker 2: not what BOP was asking Cohen to sign. He was
Speaker 2: asked to sign a document that says he would have
Speaker 2: no engagement with the media, which is different from saying
Speaker 2: he needs approval before engaging with the media. Finally, the
Speaker 2: wording of the terms presented to Cohen explicitly says there
Speaker 2: is to be in quotes no engagement of any kind
Speaker 2: and quotes including through books. The plain reading of this
Speaker 2: means he cannot release a book as a means of communicating.
Speaker 2: There is no need to reach a legal conclusion here.
Speaker 2: Are you suggesting that this requires him to get prior
Speaker 2: approval from BOP before publishing, because that is clearly not
Speaker 2: what the terms say. Then it's signed by the individual
Speaker 2: from Reuter's PS. I have filed a FOYER And to
Speaker 2: those that don't know what FOYA is, it's a Freedom
Speaker 2: of Information Act as you suggested. But I would urge
Speaker 2: the BOP to consider releasing the information outside of FOYA,
Speaker 2: or at the very least provide us with a number
Speaker 2: of inmates who as to sign similar to Cohen's terms,
Speaker 2: which will go beyond the u usual BOP policies of
Speaker 2: talking to the media. But then the kicker is the
Speaker 2: very last part, the very last paragraph here. It's from
Speaker 2: the GOP to this Reuter's reporter. Hello, so and so,
Speaker 2: and I think I know who the person is. I'm
Speaker 2: waiting to hear back from them. Your characterization of what
Speaker 2: is occurring prior restraint is a legal conclusion. While the
Speaker 2: applicable BOP Policy Program Statement five to three five zero
Speaker 2: point two seven to which you are citing, authorizes inmates
Speaker 2: to write and publish manuscripts, it does not speak to
Speaker 2: the issue which you are raising, which is promotion of
Speaker 2: said manuscript via the media. We decline to comment further
Speaker 2: as to this aspect of your line of inquiry. They
Speaker 2: didn't want any more of this, which is why they
Speaker 2: asked at the very beginning. Should we be concerned. They lied.
Speaker 2: They lied to the court. They lied during the habeas
Speaker 2: petition by my lawyer Donia, when they were having me
Speaker 2: returned from the unconstitutional reman They lied in my civil
Speaker 2: action against the Bureau Prisons, Department of Justice, the United
Speaker 2: States of America and Bill Barr Right. They lied on
Speaker 2: the Second Circuit Appeal Appellate Court, and they lied on
Speaker 2: the rid of Havia of the Writ of Cerciari to
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court. The government lied to the courts in
Speaker 2: order to protect their unconstitutional behavior. And again my big concern,
Speaker 2: it already happened to me. I did my fifty one
Speaker 2: days of solitary, I did my entire six year term.
Speaker 2: I'm done. I want to make sure that not this
Speaker 2: upcoming administration, but any upcoming administration never ever does it
Speaker 2: to anyone ever again. It is fucking wrong. It's unconstitutional,
Speaker 2: and it's Unamerican, and it should never ever ever have
Speaker 2: happened to me. And I want to make sure, as
Speaker 2: long as I'm still breathing, I want to make sure
Speaker 2: this never happens to anyone ever again. And you know
Speaker 2: the funny thing, I don't even blame Trump for this.
Speaker 2: I blame Bill Barr, because there's no way in the
Speaker 2: world that people like you Horowitz or uh, what's the
Speaker 2: names here? You got? Uh? Who else is there? Sonya
Speaker 2: Thompson or Emery Nelson? They weren't speaking to Trump. But
Speaker 2: I guarantee you their people were speaking to Bill Barr.
Speaker 2: And as the attorney general, he should have known better,
Speaker 2: He should have done better, and he should have said
Speaker 2: this is unconstitutional and we cannot and should not do it.
Speaker 2: And for that reason, Bill Barr, you get the two
Speaker 2: fucking fingers salute, you bloviated piece of shit.
Speaker 3: Who do you think Bill Barr was talking to?
Speaker 2: Though, you know, it's a great question. I'm not one
Speaker 2: hundred percent certain that he was actually speaking to Trump.
Speaker 2: He could have been speaking to Kushner, He could have
Speaker 2: been speaking to Ben I don't know. But what I
Speaker 2: do know is Bill Barr, for certain, he I could
Speaker 2: say one hundred percent for certain, was behind all of this.
Speaker 2: Who put it into his ear? I would like if
Speaker 2: I had two questions that I would be permitted to
Speaker 2: ask Trump face to face. The first question I would
Speaker 2: want to know is why, and second did you know
Speaker 2: about this? That's the two questions I would like to know.
Speaker 2: This is one hundred percent. It is unconstitutional, it's Unamerican.
Speaker 2: And my biggest fear is that what they did to me,
Speaker 2: expect to start seeing more and more and more as
Speaker 2: this new administration, depending upon who becomes Attorney General, depending
Speaker 2: upon who ends up in positions of power. That's my
Speaker 2: biggest fear. Well, look, I think Trump knew. I think
Speaker 2: Trump my own opinion is my opinion. I think that
Speaker 2: he either that the people who you mentioned to Bannon
Speaker 2: or Kushner, I mean they're talking to try so to me,
Speaker 2: it all ends with or goes up the ladder to Trump.
Speaker 2: But I hear your perspective. But let me reflect on
Speaker 2: this as well. Though.
Speaker 3: The doctrine that basically gave the Bureau of Prisons and
Speaker 3: the Department of Justice community that the Supreme Court held,
Speaker 3: or the Court of Appeals held, the Second Circuit Court
Speaker 3: of Appeals held, is a doctrine though that's very alarming,
Speaker 3: especially when it comes to not just you, but mass deportations,
Speaker 3: because it's another form of immunity. And what the immunity
Speaker 3: basically says is that if Congress doesn't pass a specific
Speaker 3: law that permits you to file lawsuits against say the
Speaker 3: FBI or Ice or whoever, and those don't exist. There's
Speaker 3: nothing on the books like a wrongful death action against Ice,
Speaker 3: for example. Then unless Congress creates this doctor and there's nothing.
Speaker 3: This is how it's been interpreted now, which I think
Speaker 3: is incorrect. But this is how the right wing Supreme
Speaker 3: Court says it. There's nothing in the Constitution that creates
Speaker 3: an inferred or implied cause of action to give you
Speaker 3: the right to sue or to vindicate your rights. No
Speaker 3: one said that Cohen lost on the merits. Quite the contrary.
Speaker 3: The federal judge said, on the merits, Cohen is right.
Speaker 3: He was targeted as a political prisoner. However, Congress didn't
Speaker 3: pass the law that in this specific situation allowed. This
Speaker 3: is what they argued, allowed Cohen to invoke his constitutional
Speaker 3: rights to bring a simple case. And Cohen said, what
Speaker 3: are you talking about. Here are all of the amendments
Speaker 3: that give me that right. It says it, And they said, sorry,
Speaker 3: Congress needs to pass the law. So if you think
Speaker 3: about mass deportations, what happens if Ice breaks it to
Speaker 3: kill somebody and then that family files a lawsuit. Ice
Speaker 3: is going to be citing the same doctrine that got
Speaker 3: Cohen's case dismissed, and I think it's important that we
Speaker 3: analyze and in that context.
Speaker 2: As you know, then some of those that follow us,
Speaker 2: like I hate that Cohen is constantly ranting about what
Speaker 2: Trump and you know the Republicans did to him. I
Speaker 2: don't give a shit and so on. Let me say
Speaker 2: this why it's an ignorant statement to make why you
Speaker 2: should care, And I constantly say it one because it
Speaker 2: happened to me, So I have personal knowledge that you don't.
Speaker 2: But my sole purpose I could sit back and say nothing.
Speaker 2: What happens when it happens to you or someone who
Speaker 2: you care about or somebody else. And what happens if
Speaker 2: that gets repeated again and again and again, like what
Speaker 2: happened during the times of Stalin. All I have to
Speaker 2: do is turn around and say, John Doe said this
Speaker 2: next thing, you know, you have people showing up to
Speaker 2: your house taking you away and violating your First Amendment
Speaker 2: constitutional rights. I went through hell. I can tell you
Speaker 2: I know what hell looks like. I didn't go through
Speaker 2: it once, I went through it twice. And what I'm
Speaker 2: trying to do is ensure that nobody else ever has
Speaker 2: to experience what I did, and if that doesn't make
Speaker 2: sense to you, then you may be actually so misguided.
Speaker 2: You shouldn't be a part of this brigade of community.
Speaker 2: And I hate asking somebody to sort of stay away,
Speaker 2: because our goal is to create millions so that if
Speaker 2: and when shit goes bad, that we have a community
Speaker 2: so big that we cannot be ignored. It's why I
Speaker 2: take pride when I tell people that the Midas Network
Speaker 2: has more than three point three million subscribes, more than
Speaker 2: CNN and MSNBC more and that's why I'm so proud
Speaker 2: to be associated with this network. I want to make
Speaker 2: sure that the damage that they did to me and
Speaker 2: my family that they never do it again to anybody.
Speaker 2: And I hope that explains to you the reason why
Speaker 2: I repeat it over and over and over, because sometimes
Speaker 2: you have to yell from the mountaintop again and again
Speaker 2: and again in order for everybody to hear it.
Speaker 3: Let me close with this, For people who are critical
Speaker 3: of you or your positions, or people who it may
Speaker 3: be sympathetic with Midas Touched, but they are critical of you,
Speaker 3: it would have been very easy for you in that
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen period to continue to cover up the wrongdoing
Speaker 3: by them. You could have done nothing. You could have
Speaker 3: kind of deal with him to get pardoned. By him.
Speaker 3: You likely would have been pardoned your You probably would
Speaker 3: have kept your law license and kept everything you could
Speaker 3: have grifted and made tens of millions of dollars off
Speaker 3: of RNC donors and Trump donors and all the people
Speaker 3: who get the email, created your kind of Cohen law firm.
Speaker 3: You know, maybe you would have been prosecuted, but once
Speaker 3: you were pardoned, if you if you know, when he
Speaker 3: pardoned you, you could have made millions of dollars. You
Speaker 3: would not have development.
Speaker 2: I'd probably be a nominee for a position right now.
Speaker 3: You may be a Supreme Court I mean you may
Speaker 3: be a Supreme Court justice attorney general. You know that
Speaker 3: that was a path, honestly, that that that you could
Speaker 3: have took. You're at a time when it was most
Speaker 3: difficult to stand up against him. Right in that time period,
Speaker 3: your moral compass, the values that you were born with,
Speaker 3: the fact that you're a descendant of people who were
Speaker 3: Holocaust survivor, everything that led you to that moment told
Speaker 3: you in your core, I can't go along with with
Speaker 3: Trump's I can't do it, and I know that that's
Speaker 3: going to have massive ramifications for me, But I can't
Speaker 3: go on and just say and do nothing. And so
Speaker 3: you spoke out, and you face solitary confinement, imprisonment, no pardon,
Speaker 3: you know, and you've testified over and over. You get
Speaker 3: attacked in the media from Fox, you get attacked in
Speaker 3: the media from MSNBC, you get attacked in the media
Speaker 3: from CNN.
Speaker 2: You know you you know.
Speaker 3: So I just one of the things with my representation,
Speaker 3: for example, of Colin Kaepernick, I'm always been attracted to
Speaker 3: or fascinated with and wanted to help people who, during
Speaker 3: the most difficult moments, stood up and resisted and told
Speaker 3: the truth and did the really hard thing. That aspect
Speaker 3: of it is is what drew me to you back then,
Speaker 3: and I just always want to remind people of that
Speaker 3: because I think with the passing of time maybe sometimes
Speaker 3: people forget all all of that. So I'll leave people
Speaker 3: with that. I believe it's an honor to host this
Speaker 3: show with you, Michael Cohen, and you know, and I
Speaker 3: think that there's you know, these are not easy times,
Speaker 3: but I am very confident, I'm very hopeful actually that
Speaker 3: in these uneasy times that we're going to come out stronger.
Speaker 3: But we got to be united. We got to work together.
Speaker 3: We can't cannibalize each other, you know, and we got
Speaker 3: to focus on building. And we've always tried to be
Speaker 3: a voice of positivity and community building. Uh here and
Speaker 3: not bringing people down. So hit subscribe here. I'm joining us.
Speaker 2: But I see a lot of people like, you know,
Speaker 2: a lot of people are saying, oh, pardon, you know,
Speaker 2: Joe Biden should pardon Michael Cohen. You know, if you
Speaker 2: go to my Twitter x account at Michael Cohen two
Speaker 2: one two pinned right to the top is a way
Speaker 2: you can actually send a letter to the White House
Speaker 2: to Joe Biden regarding that. So if you want to,
Speaker 2: about twenty thousand people have done it so far. The
Speaker 2: more the Merria. It takes a couple of minutes at most,
Speaker 2: but certainly it would be very much appreciated, because yeah,
Speaker 2: we have on six days left.
Speaker 3: Everybody, Thank you so much. That brother coming to one too.
Speaker 3: The show I do with my brothers will be on
Speaker 3: this evening at eight eastern five Pacific. Join us then. Also,
Speaker 3: I think we still have the poll up right now.
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll run a poll for you Cohen about pardoning you.
Speaker 3: The poll we had was for Hunter Biden. Do we
Speaker 3: think that Hunter Biden should be pardoned. It's on the
Speaker 3: community page, so you can check that out. Maybe we'll
Speaker 3: drop it in the chat as well, but you go
Speaker 3: to our community page and just fill out that poll,
Speaker 3: because we really want to get a.
Speaker 2: Sense of it.
Speaker 3: I think right now, on the back end, it shows
Speaker 3: that like ninety six percent of Might's touched net viewers
Speaker 3: agree with the pardon, which is so interesting when you
Speaker 3: compare it to the way corporate media has been portraying
Speaker 3: it versus I think what kind of rank and file,
Speaker 3: core base voters actually feel about it. Everybody, we love you,
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