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And I do have an announcement. Oh yeah, I'm a
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got to wear nerve stun noassles causing me
sciatic pain. And I don't know if any of you
pose have ever had siatica. I wouldn't wish it upon.
My worst enemy is terrible. I have been living in
a fresh hell for weeks now, and so if I'm
like changing my position, if I'm looking uncomfortable, that is why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I take this podcast. There she does, it's
her drop.
Speaker 1: This is a professional raccoon that you're looking at here.
So I'm gonna put up with the pain, yep, so
we can talk about these fucking plaths.
Speaker 2: She literally bought a standing disk, so hopefully we can
do the pod.
Speaker 1: And I bought an inversion table. Yeah, we should do
our next podcast, which you sitting here, and I'll just
be inverted on my own lady inversion. It's perfect in
the microphone. I love that idea.
Speaker 2: I would love that with the blood rush in your head.
Speaker 1: That would make it better.
Speaker 2: That would be so great.
Speaker 1: So we have to make some accommodations for the older
ladies in the room, but I'm excited to get into it.
And so before we get into the recap, I do
have to ask you, Beatrice. We've watched two episodes. Yeah,
this shit show. What is your global takeaway?
Speaker 2: I guess my takeaway it's gonna be a little bit serious,
sorry about it.
Speaker 4: It's not gonna be funny.
Speaker 2: But like with Teagan and Ethan, you know, one thing
my mom always told me is that everybody is put
in your life for a reason to like teach you something,
to either teach you something about yourself, teach you something
about relationships, or just to teach you something in life.
Like sometimes you know, you gotta be taught a lesson.
And I feel like Teagan is Ethan's lesson of like
you know, you can't just keep being a shitty boyfriend.
You can't just keep avoiding everything and getting all chromagnum,
you know, toddler baby angry and run away and peel
off in your old man car. Like you had this
beautiful woman who loved you, Like, let's not forget that
she was in love with you. She thought she was
gonna marry you, and you still treated her like shit.
And now it's very obvious that she is moving on.
She don't want nothing to do with you. And I
think that that's what Ethan is going through right now,
like he's being taught a lesson. He failed to learn
that lesson with Olivia, he failed to learn that with Tegan.
And I'm just like, dude, the universe is gonna keep
sending you the same thing over and over again, Like
how many more beautiful women are you gonna fuck over,
dude and just lose and squander.
Speaker 1: Well, but what people don't realize is that the universe escalates.
And so if you don't, if you don't learn your
lesson from the first encounter, m it's gonna be louder,
it's gonna be bigger. So like, pay attention to your life. Yeah,
pay attention to the common themes in your life. People
are telling you you are a terrible communicator and that
you're generally an asshole and misogynist. Don't get me started
on even flat Well, people are telling you that you
should listen and you should do the work required to
change yourself. Exactly, but like that's what we thinking raccoons
would do. Ethan is not a raccoon. He's a gelatinous,
mashed potato man.
Speaker 2: Well, and Tiagan was recently on Instagram posting pictures of
her new mean and I'm just like you, and he's handsome.
Speaker 1: I didn't see his face, I see his hand behind it.
Really good for her, even though I'm so bored with her.
She has no personality. In Veronica's Live, which we are
covering on Patreon. In fact, I think it drops tomorrow
or tomorrow Frida every day Friday, So like she actually
talks a little bit about Teagan. And while she's been
and vile and venomous, she's not wrong sometimes, Yeah, she's
not necessarily wrong. Taking bores me. So my takeaway is
that I was very offended on Kim's behalf.
Speaker 2: Were you I actually was? I'm surprised. I really were
so excited about this conversation.
Speaker 1: I was excited about it for all of the wrong reasons.
But when it happened, I was just looking at that
man Ken Palmer, Yeah, sitting across from her with all
the audacity in the world, with this dumb jukebox residing
in her farm house that she owns giving her ultimatums.
I mean I was wild with upset.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was upset about it, and I'm going to
be talking about it in this podcast.
Speaker 2: You can't stop me. I know how you feel. I
won't stop you.
Speaker 1: I know how you feel. But like I was very
offended on behalf of Kim and all portly women, me
included what portly Kim says herself. Yeah, Kim says herself.
I'm not fat shaming her. She says herself that she
has to lose weight.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And in the most recent episode, we had a flashback
to when she first discussed Joshua, Like, something has changed
in her life. It's very evident, and so this is
something Kim is talking about. Yeah, And so I was
just offended on her behalf because she understands and she's
aware of it. Sure, Okay, zipping my lip without further ado,
Let's get into our recap of Welcome to Platfol season eight,
episodes eight and nine, entitled most Recent.
Speaker 2: Well most recent is it's all caddiewampus.
Speaker 1: I don't understand that.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that means. Okay, but last week's
episode was Upcreek without a paddle and last week's episode
was pretty boring. The only highlight really was Ken confronting
Kim and giving the ultimatum about her weight and her
health or whatever. Last week's episode was very heavy on
Ethan and Teagan as well, because we were finishing up
the montage trip, and honestly, it was awkward af because
Teagan didn't really want to be there and she doesn't
really want to be with Ethan. Ethlyn is hopelessly hope
hoping that he can get back together with Teagan somehow
and like win her good graces back, and I'm like, dude,
it's never going to happen. Even Mariah and Isaac are
like trying to talk to him about it and be like, well,
maybe just meet her where she's at, And everybody's kind
of like tiptoeing around Ethan because they know that he
is depressed.
Speaker 1: Well and you can't talk to him no, and he
won't listen to anybody.
Speaker 2: Like at all, and he's just gonna do what he
wants to do. And like it goes back to my
takeaway earlier about like Ethan, you need to learn the lesson,
like these grand gestures that you are doing for these women,
Like it's not going to mean anything if your actions
are anytime you're upset or overwhelmed by your emotions, you
fucking peel off and run away and turn off your
phone so you can't be contact.
Speaker 1: For hours, for hours while she's in another state with
your grandparents.
Speaker 4: That's whack.
Speaker 2: That is whack. I don't understand. And so it's like
last week's episode was really hard to watch just because
Ethan is just so pathetic, honestly, and it's sad, Like
it's sad, it's embarrassing. I'm just like, Ethan, what are
you doing? Teagan is just not into him. I don't
know why Teagan's even entertaining it. I don't know why
she went to Montana in the first place. We had
a conversation with her mom after they got back from
Montana and it was after Christmas, and this was super produced,
but you know, Teagan's mom was giving Ethan more grace
than what we're giving him. She was saying, you know,
he's very damaged obviously from his previous relationship, and he's
got a lot of healing to do. He's got to
do some shadow work. And Teagan's like, yeah, but I
don't want no part, no part of it. I guess
Ethan was alone on Christmas Day because you know, he
chose to move up to Wisconsin and be there, away
from his family, away from all of his friends for Christmas.
Teagan didn't want him over for Christmas, but she brought
him leftovers from her Christmas dinner.
Speaker 1: It sounds really sad. I feel bad for Ethan because
of course, anybody who's alone at Christmas, especially when we
know his heart is to be with the woman that
he loves, like that's probably devastating. But you brought this
upon yourself with your bad behavior and then making this
crazy decision to move to eastern Wisconsin and get a house.
And she didn't ask for that, She didn't ask for
any of it, and so this is what you get.
Speaker 2: Well, and it's obviously like he did this way too
late too, Like it's not like he moved to Wisconsin
right after their breakup to try and write her back,
you know, like he waited months, didn't talk to her.
Four months they broke up, they were done, no contact.
He goes back to Georgia four months, and then all
of a sudden, when he's lonely and his hands and
can't cut it out for him anymore, then he's like.
Speaker 4: You know what, I'm gonna move to Wisconsin and winter back.
Speaker 2: It doesn't work like that, It doesn't, It really doesn't.
So it's just it's pathetic to watch, honestly, and like
I feel bad for him, but at the same time,
it's like, dude, it's kind of frustrating me at this
point to watch him be so pathetic and try and
win this girl back who very obviously wants nothing to
do with him.
Speaker 1: Well, and even when we skip ahead to the most
recent episode and Kim comes to see Ethan and bring
him some stuff, like she's trying to talk to you, Ethan,
She's trying to have a conversation, like she's attempting that
connection with you, and you're literally just not even answering her.
And I'm not sure if it's because you don't want
to talk on camera. I don't know that, Like there's
better ways to present yourself, yeah, and communicate something to somebody,
like it's just so broken. Yeah, he is so broken.
Speaker 2: He needs therapy, dude. It's really bad. And honestly, like
I blame Kim and Barry, I really do, because I'm
just like, this is the kid that you produced, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Well, I think Kim Visa VI her conversation with Lydia
in the most recent episode kind of approaches taking accountability
for that little bit. But I think she knows, Yeah,
we didn't do the best job with these kids. Yeah,
and that's why my boys have picked weird partners. And
it all goes back to me and Barry, like she
said something like that, right, kinda sort of.
Speaker 2: But it was also like in the same breath of
I'm offended that people are talking about that they didn't have,
you know, the tools and resources, Like what about me,
though I didn't have the tools and resources? Well, you're
the parent, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Whatever.
Speaker 2: But in last week's episode, again, like I said, the
highlight was Ken confronting Kim about her health and her wellness.
And this was a pretty crazy conversation because he straight
up just says, yeah, you're overweight. You're fucking fat.
Speaker 1: You're not just chubby, you haven't just gotten a little fluffy.
But like, I think you're going to die.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I honestly I think you're gonna die.
Speaker 1: Like I worry about you dying. Yeah, because you put
on so much weight and you live an unhealthy lifestyle,
like you don't exercise. You keep saying that you're going
to make these changes, and you're not doing that at all.
And so I want to preface this convo with you
by saying that I think that within the scope of
the healthy relationship with someone that you love and who
loves you, like, if you're doing something in your life
that is detrimental and unhealthy and even toxic, it is
perfectly fair. And I would say, like I would hope
that the partner would bring that up with you and say, hey, look,
I noticed that you've been doing this lately, or that
I've seen these changes in you. I'm a bit concerned.
I think it's unhealthy. I think you need to go
to a doctor or whatever. Like, within a normal relationship,
I think people ought to hold their partner accountable. But
what happened with Kim and Ken didn't really feel that way.
It felt very one sign I did. It felt very
focused on Kim and what she's not doing. Meanwhile, according
to Veronica Peters, like he smokes like a chimney. He's
not in the best shape, He's a clear geriatric. Yet
what do you do for a job? What about the
kids that you're just enfranchised from? Like how healthy are you?
Speaker 4: Ken?
Speaker 1: So it just it rubbed me the wrong way. Beatrice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, see, I don't really feel bad for Kim in
this segment because I'm just like, Kim, you kind of suck.
But I felt like this conversation was inappropriate. It was
inappropriate to have on camera also because again, if this
is like a healthy relationship, this is a private conversation
you have with your spouse. Sure of like, hey, I'm
noticing that you're engaging in some really unhealthy behavior, and
I'm worried about the longevity of you in our relationship
because I want to be with you forever. Like that's
fine and dandy, but to have it on camera felt
very weird to me. I was looking on Reddit to
see what other people's thoughts were about this conversation, and
some people brought up that it felt very scripted. So
maybe Kim was the one that wanted to have this conversation,
So yeah, kind of felt like that to me. Also,
people were bringing up that maybe this conversation was actually
about her alcoholism and not her fatness, because at one point,
I think Ken or she brought up going to bed
drinking wine every night and how that was unhealthy, and
so people were thinking or speculating that maybe this was
some weird attempt at like an intervention for her being
a drunk, and that a lot of that got edited
out or it got scripted into a way where it
was about her weight.
Speaker 4: Instead of that.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, I could see a conversation where
maybe Ken Palmer was like, you're drinking a lot, but.
Speaker 1: He's drinking a lot, dull, he looks like an alcoholic too.
Speaker 2: No, and that's the thing too, And like goes back
to your point of like, within the health the scope
of a healthy really relationship, it would be appropriate for
your spouse to like advocate for your health. And if
Ken was a bastion of health, if he was fit
and actually being healthy and like not smoking and like
could talk without slurring his words, like maybe it would
be more appropriate. But look in the mirror, dude, you
can't even like walk, And.
Speaker 1: So there is like a bigger conversation to have around this,
which is why I think this pissed off so many people.
I mean, I imagine, I'm not I wasn't on reddit,
like looking at all the subreddits about this, but like
how women are so harshly judged, especially as they get older, yes,
and how men sort of sit in this superior place
where they think they can judge us. Meanwhile, you're aging
just as quickly, if not worse. Meanwhile, you're unemployed and
living in her house, which was given to her apparently
from an inheritance, which she owns outright, I think based
on what I have read, and she's subsidizing your entire life.
I think maybe you get some sort of a pension.
I don't know, but like you're living off of her
large ass. You're not large ass. I know her large ass,
like the things, the shit she has, he's living off
of that, yep. And so he's going to give her
an ultimatum to do even more to prove to him
that she's willing to be in this committed relationship. Well,
she's moved you into her house with her three minor children.
Speaker 2: Right, And that's why I felt like this conversation was
a bit scripted, and I'm just like wondering why, like
why would Kim want to even have this conversation on camera, Like,
are you really that desperate for content?
Speaker 1: It's because she's about to start a GLP one and
in the next season of Welcome to Platvill, she's going
to be thinner. And it's because she went on a
health and fitness journey because Ken gave her this ultimatum.
That's why I could see this is all a storyline
for the future.
Speaker 2: Well, and also she's probably a bit jealous and bitter
that Barry has gone down this health and fitness journey
and he's straight up jacked and like he's juicing and
he's doing CrossFit and stuff, and he's going on dates
with skinny women, you know what I mean. So she's
probably like a little bit bitter too, and is like
self aware enough to be like, oh, this makes me
look bad. And you know, it's funny to me that
people on Reddit were like so up in arms about
this conversation because prior to this episode, everybody was talking
about how fucking fat Kim was, So I'm just like, Okay,
you can't have your cake and eat it too, you
know what I mean. But I do agree with you,
like within the like larger conversation of women are always
fat shained, women are always criticized for how they look. Meanwhile,
men are walking around with beer bellies and small PEPs
and no teeth, you know what I mean. And like
they're walking around like they're hot as shit. And then
they want women to be skinny, and they want them
to have a thigh gap, and they want them to
look a certain way, and they want them to look
young and pretty entight. Fuck that for sure. And to
Kim's credit, like she is somebody who is traumatized, She's
gone through a lot in her life. She's probably an
alcoholic and that's probably contributing to her.
Speaker 1: They're probably alcoholics.
Speaker 2: Yes, And so it's like I can feel for Kim
in that way, but Kim just kind of sucks as
a person, and so I'm just like, I don't have
a lot of sympathy for her, especially if she's the
one that scripted this whole conversation.
Speaker 1: Yes, and if she did script this conversation, this is
the last thing I'll say before we should probably move
on because we could be here forever. But like if
she did script this conversation and plan it all out,
she actually did ken dirty totally to put him in
a conversation where he's got to be the one to
say this her because he looks like a bad guy
and everybody now hates him even more than they already
hated him because you cheated exactly with Kim while she
was married exactly.
Speaker 2: So that was last week's episode. In this week's episode,
we have Kim arriving in Wisconsin because she drove up
there to basically check on e because he moved up
there on a whim, and also to bring him his
bullshit because I guess he packed up what he could
in his old man car and like left everything else
at home, and so she's bringing his like TV and
some of his clothes and like silverware and stuff that
he needs to like live. So when she arrives at
his rental house, it is barren, like he literally has nothing.
He has a shitty little two seater couch, he's got
like one chair, he has nothing in the cabinets. He's
sleeping on blankets on the floor and Kim arrives and
it's weird, like it's just an awkward vibe. Ethan is
obviously depressed and he's there to try and win back
this girl that wants nothing to do with him, and
Kim is trying, to her credit, to kind of connect
to him and like ask him about his relationship with
Teagan and like what are you guys right now? Like
are you friends? Are you working on things? Like what's
going on? And Ethan, of course, is not.
Speaker 1: Safe answer her yep, doesn't say words.
Speaker 2: She literally has to be like did you hear me?
Speaker 1: He walks into the bedroom and shuts the door yep,
while she's standing outside of the bedroom.
Speaker 2: While she's actively trying to talk to him. And Ethan's
excuse to the camera is that, you know, he knows
his mom is trying to connect with him and ask
him questions, but he doesn't want her to take the
information that he.
Speaker 1: Gets her, right, He did say that.
Speaker 2: He doesn't want her to gossip and spread it around
in the family and he wants to be respectful to
Teagan's feelings.
Speaker 1: Which was interesting because of course we have Zach and
also Lydia saying from the sidelines that they don't necessarily
trust him not to tell their business and the business
of other people in the family, Like she's the one
that's sharing a lot of that sort to hear, Ethan
sort of echo that Yep was telling.
Speaker 2: Well, and I think he learned from his relationship with
Olivia that that's kind of what Kim does, and especially
on this show, she does spreadshit around a lot. So
it's kind of funny that, like, you know, she doesn't
want her kids to say certain things publicly or share
certain stories, but she has no problem right saying whatever
she feels like, especially on camera. And so I do
understand that Ethan doesn't really want to get into too
many specifics.
Speaker 1: Say something, but just say, like, we can talk about
this later, Mom, Yeah, you can use your words, right,
And that does not occur.
Speaker 2: To him, and it's like, you're a whole adult, dude.
I don't understand why you can't just say something like that.
But no, he's just gonna slam the door in his
mom's face, I guess. And then Kim, you know, tries
to relate to him by talking about how many times
her and Ken have broken up and you know, you know,
the last time we broke up lasted a couple of
months and it was pretty hard, but like then we
realized that we loved each other and you know, we
got back together, so like maybe that that'll happen with
you and Taken. I'm like, Kim, let's not. Let's not
try to relate to your kid when you're talking about
this guy that you cheated on your husband with and
your multiple breakups.
Speaker 4: Like miss me with that.
Speaker 2: And then we shift gears. We go down to Florida
with Isaac and Kaylan. They're heading over to have pizza
and games with Zach and Lydia.
Speaker 1: Snory dude, and they're so awkward.
Speaker 2: Everybody's awkward.
Speaker 1: Everyone is awkward. It was a strange encounter.
Speaker 2: I'm embarrassed, Like they're playing like a couple's game. And
there's a question that's like, you know, if I was
a cowboy and I was a horse, who would ride who?
And I'm just like, why why do we got to
talk about this? Kaylin is laughing because she knows the implication,
but like the married virgin couple doesn't know. Isaac and
Kayleen are giggling and I'm just like stop it stop.
And there really wasn't like much in this segment really
other than discussing the Montana trip, and I just don't give.
Speaker 1: A fuck, right, So Zach kind of goes out of
his way. He takes pains to let us snow once
again that he and Lydia were not invited to Montana
like everybody else, which is fine because they're busy and
they would not have been able to go. But they're
gonna go to Montana soon. But like you can tell
that they're actually but hurt about that totally, And I
wonder why, though, why weren't they invited? Is it because
nobody likes Zach?
Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like they were invited last minute and
they just couldn't get the time off work or something.
But they're bitter about that because they're like, why didn't
you invite us sooner?
Speaker 4: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I wouldn't have wanted to infind that.
Speaker 1: Well, based on the preview, there's good reason not to
have them there.
Speaker 2: They seem like annoying to be around, and they seem
weird to be around, like I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: They seem very judgmental and superior.
Speaker 2: Super that and Isaac even makes a comment in this
episode about how like, you know, they've done really well
to try and reconcile after the marriage or after the
wedding where Isaac and Ethan acted very inappropriately and Isaac's like,
you know, I apologize for everything that I did wrong,
Like I own up to all of that. He makes
a weird statement where he says, you know, they've got
to work on some things themselves because they're very high
up on their stool. Yeah, so he's already like planting that,
like they're very high and mighty.
Speaker 4: They're judging everybody.
Speaker 2: And I'm not into that. Man, not into that at all.
Speaker 1: And I can see it totally, especially in the car
ride which we're gonna get to girl totally.
Speaker 2: And so then we go back to Wisconsin where we
have Ethan inviting Teagan over to see his rental house
and I'm just like.
Speaker 1: Oh god, this whole scene.
Speaker 2: This was so awkward. Yes, it was so painfully awkward,
Like I literally texted you today like I'm cringing so hard.
This is embarrassing. And Teagan shows up. She bangs on
the door multiple times because I guess Ethan didn't hear
her he was in the bathroom, and then she like
makes a snide comment about like I was waiting out
there forever. He's like, well, I was in the bathroom,
like chill out. And it's just weird because Ethan has
nothing in his house. There's literally there's not even a TV.
There's a little couch yeah, and what else?
Speaker 1: Yeah? A box of brownie mix.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And they try to make brownies because you know, Ethan
knows Teagan loves brownies, so he bought all the ingredients
for the brownies, but was too stupid to get to
get measuring cups. So they can't even really make them
or I think they tried to.
Speaker 1: Whatever. It's just awkward. Well, and Teagan doesn't want to help. No,
she's not being very engaging. She seems very stiff. She
also seems pretty judgmental. Yeah, as she's walking around his place,
you can see that in his own lame way, he's
trying to connect and to reach out to her and
engage her in conversation. But she's just like, so walls up,
Mary Brown. She's just like not having any of it.
I'm like, why are you there?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 1: Why are why give him false hope? That's the thing
that's not nice to do. Just tell him straight up.
I'm not interested. I don't know why you moved here.
You shouldn't have done it.
Speaker 4: That was stupid.
Speaker 1: But you're a stupid and I don't want to have
anything to do with you. Just be honest.
Speaker 2: That's what I don't understand. It's like, I wonder how
their conversation went when he announced to her a couple
episodes ago that he was planning to move back, because like,
why didn't you say then, Ethan, I don't want you back,
Like you can move here if you want, but I'm
never going to take you back. Like why didn't you
have that conversation? Why did you go to Montana? Why
are you going to.
Speaker 4: Visit his house?
Speaker 1: Well, but she didn't learn about him moving there till
he was there, right.
Speaker 2: No, he like, drove up.
Speaker 1: I need to tell he drove up. But then he
also leased the place and told her I'm living here now.
So that was her first time hearing it, Like she
didn't know that he was going to do that. He moved,
he got a house, and then he told her.
Speaker 2: I thought it was he was going to look at places,
because didn't he drive up At one point He's like,
I'm gonna look at places.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was the same time that he got
the flowers and then at the park.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like she was blindsided. She had no sure
idea what he was doing. He made the decision to
do that. It's been three weeks since they got back
from Montana. Yeah, she hasn't seen him. He hasn't called her.
Speaker 2: She does the thing too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he hasn't called her. He hasn't like asked her
out on a day out or anything. This is the
first time he's reached out and she's been over So like,
what are you doing, Ethan?
Speaker 2: And like Ethan in his like weird, stupid brain, He's like,
you know, she's probably thinking that I'm only going to
be here temporarily and so it doesn't mean much to
her right now. But you know, if she can see
that I'm here long term, maybe it'll change her mind
or something. And I'm like, dude, it's not gonna happen
because she's obviously going to get another boyfriend and not
be into you anymore.
Speaker 1: I really wonder how long he makes it in Wisconsin.
Does anybody know?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Does he stay like an entire year he's still there?
Is he in Wisconsin right now? Or did he go
back to Georgia, because he talked about going back to Georgia.
Speaker 2: He did, he did mention it, so I don't know.
Like she's sitting on his weird, stupid couch, he's sitting
on a chair. They're not saying anything to each other.
And then Kim comes in to kind of be the
buffer here because it's fucking awkward, and she's mainly there
to like talk to Teagan on camera, of course, but
she arrives and she's like, this is weird. Vibes are off,
it's awkward as hell. I think Ethan leaves to like
go to the store or something, or go to work
or whatever, and so then this is Kim's chance to
talk to Teagan. And I was actually glad that Kim
wasn't judgmental of Teagan in this moment, because I was
worried that she was going to be like a total
boy mom and be like, well, you broke his heart
or whatever. But she actually hears her out, and she
hears about what ultimately led to the demise of their
relationship and how Ethan just straight up fucking peeled off
and left, didn't turn his phone on, didn't contact her,
and Kim says, you know, I totally understand. I can't
blame Tegan for breaking.
Speaker 4: Up with her.
Speaker 2: I get it. And she kind of talks to her
about like the state of where they're at right now.
Teagan says that they're not even really friends. They're like
a step below that they're working towards friendship, and you know,
Kim says something like, you know, I'm a boy mom,
and sometimes my boys can pick bad women or whatever,
but like Isaac picked a good one and Ethan picked
a good one with you, like, you're a good girl,
and I just don't want you to think I think
anything bad of you. And Teagan was glad to hear that,
and it was just kind of like a whatever. Well.
Speaker 1: I thought that Kim handled that well. I think that
it was great that she was able to see Teagan's position,
that she was able to agree with Tegan's position. She said,
Ethan has a lot of baggage. Yeah, and it comes
from his relationship and his marriage with a live He's
been through a lot and he really needs to get
his shit together and paraphrasing, obviously if he wants to
be in a relationship with anybody, not just tigging, but
like you gotta gear shit together. Yeah, gotta do something
about this, Ethan. You can't just go throughout the rest
of your life damaged by this one relationship and be broken.
That's not how it should work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Kim also acknowledges with Teagan that Ethan is
a horrible, horrible communicator and doesn't say anything and he
needs to learn to be better about that. And then
I think Kim to the camera says that she thinks
Teagan needs to see more from Ethan than him just
moving here, like she needs to see growth and change
and an effort to communicate, of course, like a big
adult man. And obviously that this move is just Ethan
acting on emotion an impulse rather than logic, and sometimes
that can be a good thing, but sometimes it can
just bite you, an mass.
Speaker 1: I keep going back to what Cayln said a few
episodes ago about Teagan, about how Ethan had done a
lot for Teagan, and that Teagan had done a couple
of things that Kaylin didn't necessarily agree with, and of
course she did not elaborate, but I really want to
know what those things are now. It might be absolutely nothing.
It could just be that Ethan after they broke up,
went back to his family and talked shit about her
and all the things that she supposedly did wrong when
she really did nothing wrong. Because the way Teagan explains
it is that she prioritized Ethan like he was important
to her, and she did whatever she could to be
in this relationship, and Ethan also prioritized Ethan, and so
after a period of time, it's just she's got to
choose herself. Yeah, So I just really want to know
if there's something else there that Teagan did or that
contributed to this. I wish they would tell the viewers
because we're just left here wondering. Obviously, Ethan is weird. Yeah,
he's not an ideal partner, but like, what's the whole story?
I feel like we're missing something, do you?
Speaker 2: I agree, yes, And I'm really curious what Caylen even
meant by that, because as it is right now, I
am siding with Teagan, of course, and it's like I
think Ethan was a piece of shit, you know what
I mean. And Teagan is also being pretty careful with
the way that she is talking about like their breakup,
Like she's not talking shit about Ethan, She's not even
really being mean to him when she very well could
be and has a right to be mean to him
with how he treated her, But she's being very respectful
and very like, you know, I have love for him,
I'm not in love with him right now, and like
I can see that he's hurting, but I'm just doing
me and I'm living my life like she is being
very kind about it, whereas other people on the show,
right were always the kindest after the breakups and stuff,
and so I don't know, I'm at this point. I'm
kind of like, Ethan, you squandered this, absolutely fucked this up,
and we know that she's moved on.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he's doing. If he's dating. I mean,
wouldn't it be a wonderful world if he actually got
some therapy and tried to work on himself before he
entered into another relationship. But he's not going to mm mmm.
Speaker 2: And I saw some things on Facebook that I can't
tell if they're true or not, because Facebook is just
a bunch of AI slopped most of the time. But
there were some photos going around of Ethan seen in
public with another blonde haired girl, and some people were
thinking that it was probably Mariah or something. But I'm like,
is Ethan already dating? Because if he be surprised, I'm
just like, dude, you need therapy and you need to
like be single for a while before you jump into
another relationship.
Speaker 1: There are so many unhealed people out there just jumping
from relationship to relationship and yep, not understanding that they
are the whole and.
Speaker 4: Entire problem exactly.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, t get over here going to New York with
her new boyfriend.
Speaker 1: It's life, Go get a girl.
Speaker 2: And I'm just wondering if Ethan is just but hurt
by it. He probably is, I hope, so you know whatever,
Then we go, must we to a wellness center? Oh lord,
sauna Zach and Plath, Daddy, Barry Plath. And I'm just like, why,
I don't care about the compression socks. I don't care
about the jiggling. I don't care about the sauna. I
don't care at all.
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about how he's gonna date
the matchmaker. We've been over this, Barry, We've talked about it.
It's a nothing burger. I did have a vibration of
It's kind of nice seeing the camaraderie between Barry and Zach.
They had sort of a funny relationship and I thought
I got it both awkward. Yeah, I thought it was sweet.
And that's as far as I'm gonna go because I
was so bored.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really don't care about this segment at all.
The only thing that was funny to me was when
Barry was joking with Zach about being called the plath Daddy,
and Zach's like, I am never calling you. And I
like seeing Barry giggle because he has kind.
Speaker 4: Of like a sweet robotic and they both do together.
Speaker 1: They totally have a neat little friendship that I liked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was fine, And it's because they're both
too awkward, weird, they're very similar.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes.
Speaker 2: The only thing about this segment is that it kind
of segues into talking about Lydia and Kim's relationship. Barry
and Zach talk about it because Zach says Lydia's still
having some issues with Kim because she's not as emotionally
involved as she would want her to be. Apparently, according
to Zach, Kim only calls Lydia when she needs something.
She doesn't ever really call her just to call her
or ask about her day or ask about Lydia's world
and that is hurting Lydia's feelings. Barry acknowledges that Kim
is no emotionally involved whatsoever, but he hopes that they
can work on it. And while they're at the wellness center,
Zach and Lydia actually got to go to Montana. They
visited Mariah, and then Zach flew back home to go
to the Sawna with Barry, and Lydia flew back to
Wisconsin to visit with Ethan and then ultimately drive back
home with Kim.
Speaker 1: While they're at the wellness center and having the conversation
about Kim and Lydia, Zach does allude to the accident
with Joshua. Yes, he doesn't come right out and say it,
but Barry says, oh, you're talking about Joshua, and he
makes the connection that Kim's emotional unavailability may be connected
to that, and he says not in the present day,
it's not like Kim is walking around wounded about it.
But maybe underneath it all, underneath the layers, there's like
something in there where she hasn't healed, it's unresolved, and
that could be causing the disconnect. Between certainly her and
Lydia and maybe other members of the family, which is astute, yeah,
and which I think could be true.
Speaker 2: Sure it felt scripted to me though, I'm like, why
are we bringing up Joshua as like a way to
kind of excuse Kim's emotional bad mothering and bad mothering, right, Like,
we don't need to do that. And so then we
shift back to Kim and Lydia who are driving back
home from Wisconsin, and this is kind of where we
end the episode, but we start off with this like
weird interaction with them in the car. At one point,
Kim brings up or shows a photo of a bong
that they found in the barn on their property or whatever,
and Kim explains what it is to Lydia, because you know,
she's so innocent and godly and she would never be
dared to even witness or acknowledge the presence.
Speaker 4: Of a bong.
Speaker 1: So she's looking at the image, she doesn't know what
it is. Kim tells her, Oh, it's a bong. Yeah,
you use a bong in order to smoke weed. There's
another way you can smoke weed, which is like with
something called a doobie. It's so stupid. But you can
see Lydia's face in the moment transform from sort of
her normal soft kind of expression to an absolutely judgmental expression.
She's like, and why are we talking about this right now?
Speaker 4: How did we even get on this subject?
Speaker 1: How did we get on this subject? I was like,
whoa rude? So next week when we've got family members
talking about how judgmental they are, Like, I can see
it right in this moment that Lydia does have that
superior Christian attitude totally.
Speaker 2: And it was when Kim was explaining what it was about, like,
this is a bong. People use it to smoke pot. Oh.
I smoked pot a couple times in college, but it's
nothing to brag home about, Like I've never done it since.
And this bong that I'm showing you and this picture
is not mine, just so you know. But like, Lydia
is already sticking her nose in the air, judging the
fuck out of Kim, and I think she's kind of
assuming that it probably was Kim's bong or something, because
Kim is acting like this was found on the property,
like so somebody who had lived your prime previous.
Speaker 1: It was found in the barn.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have been telling you season after season after season,
where does Kim go to drink her vodka? Where does
Kim go to eat her m and ms while she's
starving her kids of sugar? And where does Kim go
apparently to take a hit off that bong? It's the barn?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do we think that it's Kim's bong?
Speaker 2: I'm kind of I kind of do. I'm kind of
thinking it is. And Kim is just pretending like it's
not because she's feeling judged so harshly by Lydia in
this moment, but it was just awkward. And then at
some point we get on the subject about Joshua and
Kim tells us that I guess Lydia went online and
I was trying to find this video. I was trying
to find where Lydia talked about this, but apparently Lydia
went online. She did some kind of live or whatever
where she talked about Joshua's death, and in Kim's words,
Lydia went online to cry about Joshua, which I felt
was kind of dismissive, dismissive and rude. But Lydia went
online said some things about Joshua and his death and
then made some inappropriate speculations about how Joshua's death affected
not only Kim, but Kim and Barry's marriage and the
rest of the family. And in Kim's opinion, she didn't
feel like Lydia had a right to do that or
should have said any of those things publicly. And so
Kim is telling us as the viewers, that she's not
really happy with the fact that Lydia brought all this up.
But in the car when they're talking about it, you know,
Lydia says something like, I feel like we didn't have
the right tools, were equipped to deal with Joshua's death,
Like I didn't know how to really talk about it.
I felt like we couldn't really talk about it in
the family, And Kim says something like.
Speaker 1: I didn't have the tools. I didn't have, I wasn't equipped,
And she said it took her a year to be
able to even talk about it at all after the death,
so she was unable to help her children with that,
which she acknowledges. And I don't remember when it was
in this most recent episode, but she is trying to
make the connection between what happened how she shut down
and how that impacted her children. And she even says,
as she's talking to the camera, I realize I hurt
my kids. Yeah, and that's the hardest part of all
is knowing the impact on my children based on what
happened with Joshua. And you know what, I feel that
from Kim, and I believe that when she's speaking about it.
I think it makes perfect sense to me that she
went through something as traumatic as the death of Joshua,
which she is responsible for. She didn't mean it, obviously,
but she was the one driving the car that ran
over Joshua. And of course that would change you for
the rest of your life. But meanwhile, you have two
thousand other children that you have to homeschool and deprive
of sugar, and so you have to put on your
game face and you've got to tamp it all down
and you can't sit in the bottomless pain of that.
I can't even imagine as a mother, Yeah, for sure,
I can't even imagine the bottomless pain of having to
sit with what happened because of you. Yeah, and so, yeah,
she wasn't equipped to take care of herself. She probably
never did, and she certainly wasn't equipped to help her children.
And I just want to comment regarding Lydia getting up
on a live and sharing her perspective. She is one
hundred percent entitled to do that. That's Lydia's story too. Yes,
every he was impacted by that. And just because Kim,
you're still dealing with guilt and shame around that doesn't
mean that the other people around you aren't trying to
work through this, put some words on it, witness it,
and process it. It's a good thing Lydia did that.
She I don't think she did that for clout.
Speaker 4: No, I'm sure she.
Speaker 1: Didn't do that like for fame. I think she's talking
about a very deep issue for her. Yes, that's wounded
her that she's healing from, and that's a good thing.
Speaker 2: I agree. And that was like my issue with this
is that, you know, Kim is saying all this stuff
about how she understands that it was hard on her
kids and she understands that she wasn't there for them
and didn't give them the tools and stuff to talk
about Joshua, but at the same time is upset that
Lydia even had the goal to talk about it publicly
and to make speculations and like, you know, Lydia was
a kid when this happened. She was really young, but
she could still witness the damage that it caused, not
only to her but to her parents, to her mom.
Like she can still witness that and perceive that and
still comment about that, Like she as an adult, is
allowed to say these things. And that's why I was
trying to find where this video was because I wanted.
Speaker 1: To know you probably told her to take it down.
I'm wonder after his conversation, maybe she took it down.
Speaker 2: And I was like looking on Reddit and like nobody
was talking about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't remember anybody mentioning this.
Speaker 2: No, not at all. So if anybody has any kind
of like physical evidence about this conversation of what Lydia
talked about, police, send us a DM or something, because
I want to know what exactly Lydia said that made.
Speaker 4: Kim so upset.
Speaker 2: But Kim in this episode says Lydia even bringing this
up opened up the wound again for her, and I'm like, well, yeah,
it's a wound for everyone.
Speaker 1: Of the situation. Have you ever heard the saying that
you're only as sick as your secrets? So there's a
part of this that Kim is trying to keep secret
and it's making her sick, and it connects back to
what Ken is trying to show her in that conversation.
It connects back to what Kim herself is telling us
about herself and how she realizes like she's in a
bad spot with her physicality and with all of it.
Like you're only as sick as your secrets. You have
a problem when Lydia is speaking out or when Olivia
was speaking out about what you did with the money
and all of the control issues because you want to
hide it. And so more power to Lydia. Honestly, now,
I don't like aspects of what we're seeing with Lydia
and Zach. I think that's a Zach influence. But as
far as this is concerned, more power to Lydia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, And like you have to be able
to talk about these kinds of things, and like I
can understand from the parent side, like if Lydia was
saying some things that were critical about Kim and about
Barry and about their parenting and about how they handled this,
I can understand as a parent being like almost offended
or like insecure about that being like oh, well, like
I thought, I did the best that I could because
it is hurting too.
Speaker 1: But that's her story, that her life, that's her perspective.
She's entitled to.
Speaker 2: That exactly, And as a parent, you have to be
able to sit in the way of all of that
because it's not easy, and every parent makes mistakes, every
parent fugs up. It's just the nature of life. And
you know, to Kim's credit, at the end of this episode,
she does say she feels bad that Lydia feels more
comfortable to open up to the Internet than to her.
But it's like, well, Kim, this is the bed that
you made, Like this is how you parented your kids.
You didn't cultivate an environment where they could talk to
you about anything. And I don't even know if it
was all like in a malicious way, like in a
sense of like Kim got mad at her kids for
talking about it. I just think that this is how
their family was. They just never talked about shit, They
never talked about anything hard. They just swept everything under
the rugs and acted like everything was okay.
Speaker 1: And now you have an Ethan and now you have
a Lydia. Even in this moment in the car. When
she's answering Kim, she's stamm she's flubbing up her words.
I'm like, what are you saying? Like you're not making
any sense. I think I know what you're trying to say,
but like you can't communicate either.
Speaker 2: No nobody can. And like you have Mariah running off
to Montana, you have Micah being no contact basically and
not wanting to be a part of the show and
just living his own life. And even Hosannah, like where's Hosannah?
Speaker 1: Who's Hosannah?
Speaker 2: Like there's still this eldest child that wants nothing to
do with the show and probably the family, and so
like this is what you created is so now you're
gonna have to.
Speaker 4: Deal with it.
Speaker 2: Yep. But I don't think Kim's dealing with it. I
think she's drinking her problems away. That's just my opinion.
And so in the preview for next week, we're going
to continue this conversation between Kim and Lydia in the car,
which I do look forward to hearing more about. Kim
also says in the preview that Zach and Lydia don't
seem to see a problem with them going to other
people and telling them how they should live their life
and trying to correct their behavior.
Speaker 4: And I'm just like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Can you believe it?
Speaker 2: Oh, I can't believe these little towrps have not even
been married a year and they're already lecturing people there
and that's early. Yep, this is wild. We have Barry
going on a blind date with some skinny blonde chick
nobody cares. And then we have this conversation between Isaac,
Ethan and Kim where Isaac actually says when Zach was
in Montana, he would only talk with the girls. He
didn't want to talk with anybody else, and he was
telling Mariah.
Speaker 1: He would only talk to the girls when Isaac wasn't there.
Speaker 2: Oh, was that what it was?
Speaker 1: That's what it was. Isaac would go somewhere and then
he would talk to the girls, which is interesting because
Isaac would stick up for his sisters and his girlfriend
for sure, and is very protective of his family. So
Zach waits for Isaac to leave and then starts lecturing
Mariah uh huh on what she plays in terms of music,
the things that she has in her house and how
it's inappropriate, et cetera.
Speaker 2: Yikes, And when Isaac is telling this to Ethan and Kim.
Ethan is getting mad just listening to that, and Kim
is like, well, then let's fucking talk to them. So
we're gonna have a family intervention.
Speaker 1: I love that good. I just for me. It's a
personal issue, like the hypocrisy of some Christians, and it's
not just Christians. It's like a lot of religions, but
like it's my paradigm, so like I can.
Speaker 4: Speak to it.
Speaker 1: But Jesus said, do not judge. Jesus said, don't worry
about the speck in your brother's eye when you got
a big old redwood up in your eye. And then
you say that to a Christian and they're like, yes,
but Paul says you have to righteously judge. I'm don't judge.
Paul's not Jesus. Paul claims to have met Jesus on
the road to Damascus. I mean, and you can believe
that or not or whatever, but like, what did Jesus
say about that? He said, don't judge, period. Yeah, there
wasn't anything else about that. Christians can't seem to get
that through their head that they're not supposed to sit
in judgment of other people like that's a that's an
actual antichrist sin. But you've got Christians like Zach and
Lydia who are like zeygots, no worldly experience, purporting to
try and tell other people how to live their life. Obviously,
I'm triggered. I just hate that so much.
Speaker 2: I hate it too because I've always made that argument
too to other Christians, because you know, I'm a resident gay, right,
so I'm always getting judged from Christian people, you know,
like you're living in sin and you're blah, and I'm like, okay, but.
Speaker 1: Jesus never spoke about homosexuality.
Speaker 2: No, he did not. And also, why are you judging
other people? Why do you sit on this high horse
and look down on people and be like I live
the right way, I live the godly way, and like
I'm just going to be inappropriate because this is the
end of the episode right now. But I texted you today,
I'm like, Lydia, why are you judging people when you're
married to the chase man I've ever seen in my life?
Why are you judging people when you live with this
marriage with this guy who's like telling you what to do?
And I don't know the fact that he was like
only to talking to girls when Isaac was not around.
I'm just like, why because they're as.
Speaker 1: Because Isaac will get triggered because Isaac got into a
fight with Micah because Micah didn't check his girl. And
so if Isaac is there and Lydia is not checking
her man, he's going to do something about it. And
guess what. Zach is not going to come out the
victor in that particular fight. It's going to be Isaac.
He knows that typical Christian misogyny, and so he's waiting
for Isaac to leave and then he's going to start
lecturing the girls. Just give me five minutes with that boy, Dude,
give five minutes. It's not even that I know more
scripture than all of these people put together. It's just
like so hip a critical really is.
Speaker 2: And now Lydia and Zach are moving to Colorado. They've
left Caro, and people on Reddit are like, oh my god, yay,
Lydia is away from her toxic family. But I'm just like, okay, great,
now she's gonna be with Zach's judge Christian lady's family.
Speaker 1: She's going to be isolated. Okay, great, Yeah, see what
happens in ten years, Lydia like where you're going to.
Speaker 4: Be, Yeah, hopefully not married.
Speaker 1: It's hopefully not married, hopefully like living your best sexual life.
You seem to like sex a lot, and every time
you mention it, like, Zach seems disgusted. In fact, and
we didn't even talk about it because when they had
the little social event with Zach and Lydia and Isaac
and Kaylin and they're playing their game, Isaac tells us
that in the first week of Lydia and Zach's marriage,
they broke the bed, so they must have been fucking
a lot. But then we get the to the camera
interview with Zach and Lydia, and Lydia's like, yeah, I
was going in for a kiss. I was leaning into
him and he fell and we fell onto the bed
and it broke. And I'm just imagining that, like she
leans in because she wants to kiss him or do
whatever sexually with him, and he literally jumps away, I know,
so hard that he breaks the bed. That's all I
got from that.
Speaker 2: That's what I got too. But of course Isaac and
Kaylin just think they were fucked or whatever, and they're
giggling about it. And Isaac's like, you know, being a brother,
and He's like, I don't want to know how they
broke the bed. I'm just gonna fix it for him
because I'm a good brother and.
Speaker 1: He broke it pulling away from his wife. Yeah, like
just think about that.
Speaker 2: Well, and in that couple's game, I forgot to mention too.
One of the biggest things that they argue about is
when to have babies. And it's because Zach doesn't want
to have babies right now, but Lydia does.
Speaker 1: Because it requires penis and vagina sex.
Speaker 2: It requires him coming in vagina.
Speaker 1: Sorry, we gotta go. My sciatica is singing. I'm getting inappropriate. Like,
it's just so many red flags yet flag in for totally. Well, Beatrice,
this was fun. Is there anything else that we should
say to these beautiful raccoons before we get up on
out of here.
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Speaker 1: Just a disclaimer, I'm a Christian and if I offended anybody,
I'm sorry. I'm just talking about the things that Jesus
himself railed against when he talked about organized religion.
Speaker 4: That's all.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it just get upset, Sorry if I triggered. Anybody
is nothing but love over here. We're gonna be back
next week to talk sister wives and other things. Until then,
please do not forget that we have nothing but love
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