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I'm Jon Favreau. 36 00:01:56.959 --> 00:01:57.680 I'm Dan Pfeiffer. 37 00:01:58.200 --> 00:01:59.400 So we were going to record a. 38 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:03.359 Reaction to Tuesday's election results last night, but the Michigan 39 00:02:03.359 --> 00:02:06.640 Senate race was much closer than all the polling suggested. 40 00:02:06.680 --> 00:02:09.240 So here we are today bringing you a bonus pod, 41 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:12.479 complete with an interview with Bernie Sanders, which you'll hear 42 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:16.639 in a bit. But first, the headline, Abdul l Saied 43 00:02:16.719 --> 00:02:18.960 is now the Democratic nominee for the US Senate race 44 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:21.840 in Michigan, with more than ninety five percent of the vote. 45 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:25.960 In he defeated Haley Stevens by one point forty eight 46 00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:29.000 point five percent to forty seven point five percent, and 47 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:33.120 we'll face former Republican Congressman current Florida homeowner Mike Rodgers. 48 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:36.039 On one hand, Poles. 49 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:39.080 Had Abdul ahead of Haley by anywhere between ten to 50 00:02:39.159 --> 00:02:43.719 nineteen points, and his team's confidence heading into Tuesday certainly 51 00:02:43.719 --> 00:02:48.560 matched that margin. On the other, we have a very 52 00:02:48.599 --> 00:02:53.599 progressive Muslim candidate who took on the entire Democratic establishment 53 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:57.520 in DC and Michigan was outspent eleven to one by 54 00:02:57.840 --> 00:03:01.039 sixty million dollars in outside spending, duding a thirty two 55 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:04.439 million dollar APAC spend that's more than any group has 56 00:03:04.479 --> 00:03:09.560 spent in any Democratic primary this cycle, and Abdul still won. 57 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:14.360 Hailey Stevens very graciously conceded, and Mallory McMorrow, who had 58 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:17.199 also been in the race, actually introduced Abdul at his 59 00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:20.759 victory event Wednesday morning, where he previewed his argument against 60 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:21.639 Mike Rogers. 61 00:03:22.759 --> 00:03:25.759 Mike Rodgers is a guy who will do anything Blue 62 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:27.080 Cross Blue Shield wants him to. 63 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:28.599 Do, including raise your rates. 64 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:34.479 Mike Rodgers is a guy who introduced legislation to increase 65 00:03:34.520 --> 00:03:36.639 the flow of opioids. He did that while I was 66 00:03:36.639 --> 00:03:40.759 in high school. Mike Rodgers is a guy who's politics 67 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:45.560 and vision and perspective are old. Mike Rogers is a 68 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:50.159 guy who has never shot away from a corporation he 69 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:53.639 could do a favor for. Mike Rodgers is a guy who, 70 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:56.520 believe it or not, went back to Florida so he 71 00:03:56.520 --> 00:03:59.840 can lick every single boot Donald Trump owns to beg 72 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:01.120 for his endorsement. 73 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:02.280 I'm so sorry. 74 00:04:02.280 --> 00:04:04.280 If you want a senator who's gonna lick some boots, fine, 75 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:06.280 go vote for Mike Rogers. But if you want a 76 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:08.599 senator who's gonna stand up to Donald Trump, then you've 77 00:04:08.639 --> 00:04:11.719 got your option right here. Michiganers are sick and tired 78 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:17.120 of BS politics coming in to divide us when there's 79 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:20.519 so much more we can unite to actually guarantee if 80 00:04:20.519 --> 00:04:23.199 we're willing to come together around it. So if all 81 00:04:23.240 --> 00:04:26.680 Mike Rogers got is that his name is Abdul and 82 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:29.199 my name is Mike, You're gonna be surprised how many 83 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:30.759 people will be like, yeah, but that's the Abdul who 84 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:32.639 wants to bring down the price of my groceries. And 85 00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:35.040 gas and stop us sending money abroad and make sure 86 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:35.759 that I got healthcare. 87 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:36.360 So yeah, I like that. 88 00:04:36.399 --> 00:04:38.560 Abdul over your Mike from Florida. 89 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:41.839 All Right, we'll get We'll get to that message in 90 00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:45.480 a bit, but let's start with the closer than expected results. 91 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:48.680 What do you make of that? And what happened with 92 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:49.160 the polling? 93 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:53.360 What happened with the polling? That's a great question and 94 00:04:53.399 --> 00:04:55.000 a very hard one to answer because we don't have 95 00:04:55.040 --> 00:04:57.360 exit polls in this race, so it's hard to measure 96 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:01.720 what the posters expect in terms of primary composition to 97 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:04.879 what actually happened. But I will say that Michigan is 98 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:07.720 a very hard state to poll. It always has been. Uh, 99 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:13.000 it doesn't have a in state polster that is incredibly 100 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:15.839 well regarded, and it doesn't and in the most well 101 00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:18.879 regarded one, the epic poll which came out a few 102 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:21.120 weeks ago that had it was evens up ten. So 103 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:23.319 no one seems to know what No one really knew 104 00:05:23.319 --> 00:05:26.000 what this elector was going to look like. Best guess 105 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:31.439 is it people oversampled highly engaged, college educated voters who 106 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:37.480 overwhelming voted for Abdul. Hence the margin undersampled Taylor was, yeah, Untail, 107 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:39.720 We've seen it happen nationally. We now have it happening 108 00:05:39.720 --> 00:05:44.040 in democratic politics. And I was talking about this on 109 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:46.480 Polar Coaster that's was just coming out on Thursday. Was 110 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:49.920 Everyone's to check out. But it's actually the opposite polling 111 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:54.800 error that happened in the twenty five Gubern Tour Racist 112 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:57.040 where they understampled highly engagements. 113 00:05:57.720 --> 00:05:59.920 Well, I mean it's they were, Yeah, that's right. 114 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:02.120 So it's all very confusing. Let's put all the polling 115 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:04.360 stuff aside, because the polling stuff only really matters here 116 00:06:05.199 --> 00:06:08.639 in one regard, which is it has everyone and messed 117 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:11.560 with everyone's expectations. If the polls had been tied or 118 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:15.000 had shown Hailey Stevens up a few points going into election, 119 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:17.240 Daing and Abdul one by one, this would be the 120 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:19.519 shot heard around the world. It would be, as you 121 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:23.040 point out, with this incredible victory of a Muslim man 122 00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:28.199 named Abdul Elsai in beating the entire democratic machine, beating APEX, 123 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:32.000 beating Chuck Schumer, beating Greshaan Whitmer and winning, and it 124 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:34.800 would be this incredible victory. But because our expectation was 125 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:36.600 he was win by a lot, and that expectation was 126 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:39.639 magnified by the fact that the first counties that came 127 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:42.879 in showed him dramatically outperforming what people expected his margins 128 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:46.399 to be. The expectation has got messed up, and so 129 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:51.399 the reason this race probably ended up playing out the 130 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:53.360 way it was always going to play out. What ended 131 00:06:53.439 --> 00:06:55.800 up happening here is that Abdul had the typical coalition 132 00:06:55.839 --> 00:06:59.360 of a very progressive candidate in Michigan and nationally, which 133 00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:01.920 is a lot of young voters and a lot of 134 00:07:01.920 --> 00:07:05.519 college educated voters, and struggled with the rest of the 135 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:09.680 coalition and Hailey Stevens maximized the rest of it, and 136 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:12.399 you ended up with a very very close race. 137 00:07:13.439 --> 00:07:13.720 Yeah. 138 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:18.199 Someone pointed out that Hillary Schulten, who's represents a western 139 00:07:18.199 --> 00:07:21.720 Michigan district, was a big Hailey Stephens supporter Abdul on 140 00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:29.079 her district, but Hailey Stephens won Rashida Talib's district. They're like, 141 00:07:29.079 --> 00:07:31.600 what's going on there. It's like, well, Hillary Schulten's district 142 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:38.439 is a suburban district, heavily white, college educated and lefty 143 00:07:38.439 --> 00:07:42.040 progressive candidates do well with those voters, and Rashida Talib's 144 00:07:42.319 --> 00:07:47.879 district is much more diverse black voters especially, and that's 145 00:07:47.879 --> 00:07:51.439 how you know, more moderate Democratic candidates tend to do 146 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:55.199 well in those places. I think in a place like Michigan. Yeah, 147 00:07:55.240 --> 00:08:03.079 if you have combining college educated white voters, Arab American voters, 148 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:06.879 Muslim voters, which there's obviously a bigger portion in Michigan 149 00:08:06.920 --> 00:08:10.519 than any other state, and younger voters, and all the 150 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:13.160 colleges are in Michigan, that's probably that's the I would 151 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:16.560 guess that's the coalition that Abdul assembled to get him 152 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:17.040 over the top. 153 00:08:17.360 --> 00:08:20.240 Yeah, that's right, that's exactly right, and that you can't 154 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:24.560 understate the importance of the Muslim population, particularly in Dearborn, 155 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:27.319 which Abdul won essentially eighty two. 156 00:08:27.480 --> 00:08:27.720 Yeah. 157 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:31.199 Yeah, and that makes you just to your point on 158 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:35.519 college educated voters voting for Abdul, is that Hailey Stevens 159 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:37.519 only won her own district by four points. 160 00:08:38.679 --> 00:08:41.799 Yeah, there's something I'd love for someone to do some 161 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:43.639 analysis of, because there's no like you said, there's no 162 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:47.000 exemplese just some like county by county analysis, because Hailey 163 00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:50.200 Stevens did really well in a lot of rural counties, 164 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:53.519 smaller towns, medium sized towns, which is not unexpected. 165 00:08:53.639 --> 00:08:54.279 But then like. 166 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:58.960 Abdul did well in some northern rural counties and other places, 167 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:03.200 So you know, we were sort of overgeneralizing just based 168 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:05.320 on certain counties here and there. But I'd love to 169 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:08.720 see a more detailed analysis. Let's just talk about APAC 170 00:09:08.759 --> 00:09:12.440 for a second. Do you think in the end, APAC 171 00:09:12.519 --> 00:09:16.559 spending was a net positive or negative for Haley Stevens, because, 172 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:18.679 like I went into the race when you know, the 173 00:09:19.519 --> 00:09:22.200 expectations were that Abdul win by a lot, saying that 174 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:25.600 it is clearly a negative because not only did they 175 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:29.919 not help her win the race, but also they provided 176 00:09:29.919 --> 00:09:34.480 maybe the most effective argument for her opponent. Now you 177 00:09:34.879 --> 00:09:36.240 could argue it the other way now that it was 178 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:37.960 only a one point race, But I don't know, what 179 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:38.600 do you think. 180 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:43.200 Yeah, it's a somewhat complicated argument because being associated with APAC, 181 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:48.000 being the APAC candidate was bad for Haley Stevens. APAC 182 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:53.320 has a negative thirty seven percent favorability rating among Democrats 183 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:56.279 in Michigan. It also made her the candidate of big 184 00:09:56.320 --> 00:09:59.120 money in politics because the APAC ads were so ubiquitous. 185 00:09:59.159 --> 00:10:02.320 APAC spent north of thirty million dollars in this race, 186 00:10:02.919 --> 00:10:07.320 and so in that sense, it definitely what hurt her 187 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:13.080 and made her an establishment candidate in an anti establishment environment. However, 188 00:10:13.360 --> 00:10:16.000 Hilly Stevens was not a great fundraiser, you know, according 189 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:19.480 to ad impact data, of the sixty million dollars it 190 00:10:19.519 --> 00:10:21.559 was spent on her behalf, ninety seven percent of the 191 00:10:21.559 --> 00:10:23.759 ads were paid for by someone other than Hilly stephens campaign. 192 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:27.840 So absent that financial support, it's hard to see how 193 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:32.879 she is this competitive. Conversely, a candidate who did not 194 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:36.600 have that I think net negative impromoter of being the 195 00:10:36.639 --> 00:10:40.440 apack establishment candidate might have fared better than Stevens did 196 00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:42.320 in a one on one race with Ebdel. 197 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:45.840 Yeah, I was trying to, like doing a thought experiment 198 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:49.879 because I think other Democrats who were more pro Israel 199 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:52.879 have to contend with this at some point, which is 200 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:54.799 what if Hayes Stevens had said, No, I don't want 201 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:57.320 I don't want APAX endorsement. I don't want the outside spending. 202 00:10:57.360 --> 00:10:59.240 My views on Israel are what they are. I'm not 203 00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:02.840 going to change those use but I just don't think 204 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:06.559 this outside money is worth it. We shouldn't have outside 205 00:11:06.559 --> 00:11:08.440 money in politics, and I don't want a packs endorsement 206 00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:11.080 because I disagree with you know, the net and Yahoo regime, 207 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:13.240 whatever it may be. Whatever she could say without completely 208 00:11:13.240 --> 00:11:15.039 flip flopping, which is, you know, well. 209 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:16.320 I think she could have. I mean, her best move 210 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:18.279 would have been a completely flop flop or at least 211 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:21.000 have a more nuanced position to put her on aid 212 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:23.600 Israel with conditions. Perhaps that put her more in the 213 00:11:23.600 --> 00:11:26.879 mainstream of the current Democratic Party, but the cost of 214 00:11:26.879 --> 00:11:28.879 that would be thirty million dollars of APEC money. But 215 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:32.799 she also got north of ten million dollars in spending 216 00:11:32.919 --> 00:11:38.480 by another super pack that was essentially I think a 217 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:44.000 vessel for DSCC donors and people and the establisher in 218 00:11:44.039 --> 00:11:47.279 the Schumer world who wanted Hayley Stevens, similar to the 219 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:49.799 spending that happened on Josh Chirk's behalf in Iowa. 220 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:53.320 Yeah, I was thinking about that because I listened to 221 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:57.559 Sarah Longwell's focus group podcast with Jonathan Cone, who knows 222 00:11:57.639 --> 00:12:00.240 Michigan really well, and they talked to Michigan Democrats, and 223 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:03.080 I was surprised by I mean, first of all, you know, 224 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:05.639 it's always good to listen to voters, because the way 225 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:08.879 they viewed this primary was so different than the national 226 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:11.600 discourse and what you see online, like a lot of 227 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:15.919 those Democrats like they liked both Stevens and Abdul and 228 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:19.080 to the extent that there were negative things that about 229 00:12:19.360 --> 00:12:22.279 Haley Stevens. So many of these voters brought up a 230 00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:26.759 pack and outside spending and money in politics, and it's just, 231 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:30.200 you know, it really broke through not only her ads 232 00:12:30.200 --> 00:12:32.159 that you know, Apak ran on her behalf, but the 233 00:12:32.200 --> 00:12:34.720 idea that she was a candidate that was taking all 234 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:35.519 this outside money. 235 00:12:36.120 --> 00:12:40.240 And one of the polls that came out from I 236 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:42.360 can't rememb which one it was that was not the 237 00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:44.080 Emerson poll, but one of the poles in the final 238 00:12:44.080 --> 00:12:46.399 stretch did a word cloud. Now this is obviously overly 239 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:48.799 pro abdual polls, so take the with a grain of salt. 240 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:51.080 Many rands assault, but they did a word cloud of 241 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:55.080 things associated with La Stevens and APAC is like giant 242 00:12:55.080 --> 00:12:57.679 in the middle of that, and money and like money 243 00:12:57.720 --> 00:12:59.519 I think is the other very big word in that 244 00:12:59.559 --> 00:13:02.600 word cloud. So it definitely impacted her candidacy. It's just 245 00:13:02.600 --> 00:13:05.679 it's very it's just very hard to say how she 246 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:10.759 could she have raised the money absent all is support 247 00:13:10.759 --> 00:13:13.000 from APAC enough to compete with Abdul, who's an excellent 248 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:16.639 grassroots fundraiser. Could she have Was there a way in 249 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:19.879 which Schumer at all could have funneled more money to 250 00:13:19.919 --> 00:13:24.320 her through a non APAC vehicle open question? But I 251 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:28.159 think you generally, I cannot see based on these results, 252 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:34.039 a twenty twenty eight candidate accepting, soliciting, accepting, or courting 253 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:37.240 APAC to either endorse them or run ads on their behalf. 254 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:41.960 And if you are a more pro Israel candidate in 255 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:43.960 twenty twenty eight on the scale, you know, like on 256 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:46.159 whatever the scale is for twenty twenty eight candidates and 257 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:49.320 APAC starts running the United Democracy Project whatever it's called 258 00:13:49.320 --> 00:13:50.679 her one of their shadow pass were to be f 259 00:13:51.120 --> 00:13:52.600 you have to like to hold a press convers in 260 00:13:52.600 --> 00:13:54.200 front of APAC demanding they take it down. 261 00:13:55.200 --> 00:13:55.799 It'll hurt you. 262 00:13:55.879 --> 00:13:58.600 Yeah, yeah, okay, that's that was my thought too. 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Hailey Stevens graciously conceded, had a nice post, 321 00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:02.440 and Mallory McMorrow he introduced Abdul, and Abdul was saying 322 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:05.119 all the right things. So everyone seems to be saying 323 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:07.640 all the right things this morning as of Wednesday morning, 324 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:10.599 which is great. But how big of a challenge do 325 00:17:10.680 --> 00:17:12.400 you think it will be? For Abdul to unite the 326 00:17:12.440 --> 00:17:13.079 rest of the party. 327 00:17:13.559 --> 00:17:15.039 It does not appear like it's going to be a 328 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:19.680 challenge to unite the political establishment nationally and in Michigan. 329 00:17:20.200 --> 00:17:24.319 Everyone seems to understand the urgency of the task. I've really, 330 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:27.119 you know, I've been pretty critical of how Abdul has 331 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:29.440 talked about his opponents in this race, especially when it 332 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:32.599 appeared and he certainly believed he was winning. It was 333 00:17:32.640 --> 00:17:36.799 not always the most gracious, but he did the exact 334 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:38.880 right thing here. I think his tone was right both 335 00:17:39.519 --> 00:17:41.279 last night when he went on and spoke to voters 336 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:43.400 before we knew the results, and then this morning he 337 00:17:43.680 --> 00:17:47.519 responded to Hailey Stevens' tweet supporting Abdul in a very 338 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:51.720 gracious way. Gretcha whit Murray immediately endorsed Abdul this morning. 339 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:56.839 The Senate Majority Pack, which has been rooting pretty extensively 340 00:17:56.839 --> 00:17:59.799 I imagine as a Chuck Shuamer vehicle for Hailey Stevens 341 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:02.759 to win, and had a video out this morning supporting Abdul. 342 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:06.839 So I think that part is going exactly as planned. 343 00:18:08.079 --> 00:18:09.759 This is the conversation you've been to the general is 344 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:13.160 it's just can the voters in the coalitions come together. 345 00:18:13.160 --> 00:18:15.160 I think the activists, even the people who have been 346 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:19.720 the biggest people fighting against Abdul on Twitter, national democratic 347 00:18:19.759 --> 00:18:23.480 activist types. This morning we're like, Abdul's are nominee. Go 348 00:18:23.559 --> 00:18:26.079 support Abdul. Here's how you give to Abdul. I was 349 00:18:26.119 --> 00:18:30.240 an Alan mcmorro supporter throughout this race. I donated to 350 00:18:30.279 --> 00:18:32.799 Abdul this morning. Encourage everyone my newsletter to do. But 351 00:18:32.799 --> 00:18:34.599 I think people are doing the right thing here. But 352 00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:37.759 can you get the voters who just heard sixty millions 353 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:41.240 dollars of arguments against Abdul to come and support him? 354 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:43.519 And that is the general the challenge in the general election. 355 00:18:43.680 --> 00:18:45.759 Okay, so let's get to the general. Earlier we heard 356 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:48.759 a preview of Abdul's general election message against Mike Rogers. 357 00:18:49.279 --> 00:18:52.559 Here's the first ad from the Republican Senate Committee. 358 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:55.319 Du Rman Mohammad al Sai, yet the most radical Senate 359 00:18:55.359 --> 00:18:59.519 candidate in America Elsa Yeah, pledged support for the leader 360 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:02.400 of the Muslim Brotherhood, a designated foreign terrorist group. He 361 00:19:02.440 --> 00:19:06.000 wants to hike taxes on Michigan waitresses, delivery drivers, and seniors, 362 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:08.880 on social security, going to sex offender, and a murderer 363 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:11.640 to demand the mass release of dangerous prisoners, and when 364 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:17.400 his ally claimed America deserved nine eleven, America refused to disavow. 365 00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:21.640 I'm not here to disavow. Too radical, too dangerous, wrong 366 00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:22.319 for Michigan. 367 00:19:23.079 --> 00:19:24.480 Welcome to the general. 368 00:19:26.039 --> 00:19:26.319 Thoughts. 369 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:28.319 I was kicking the teeth this morning. I'll tell you that. 370 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:30.359 Yeah. I like that they combined. 371 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:34.880 I liked I really liked the mix of dangerous, scary 372 00:19:35.480 --> 00:19:39.160 Muslim extremist with an hill raised taxes. 373 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:41.799 It's not as dumb as it sounds. 374 00:19:42.039 --> 00:19:44.079 No, I know, but it's just like it's it's known 375 00:19:44.119 --> 00:19:46.559 as dumb as it sounds. And I will say Democrats 376 00:19:46.599 --> 00:19:50.039 do the exact same thing. But it is the the 377 00:19:50.160 --> 00:19:53.680 consultant polster ad maker brain, which is like, this is 378 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:57.160 test unpopular, this test unpopular. Let's jam them together. It 379 00:19:57.160 --> 00:19:59.799 doesn't matter if they're jammed together in a in a 380 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:00.960 pilling way or not. 381 00:20:01.720 --> 00:20:03.680 I think this is we can I don't know if 382 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:06.119 you want to talk about Abdul's argument about Mike Rogers 383 00:20:06.119 --> 00:20:08.559 first and then get to this, but sure, I think 384 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:11.640 this ad is better than a lot of people online think, 385 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:13.720 and I think the combining of it actually makes sense. 386 00:20:14.119 --> 00:20:15.640 Yeah, Why do you think that. 387 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:19.359 Because when you say that someone wants to like raise 388 00:20:19.599 --> 00:20:22.160 taxes on seniors, that is a very hard thing for 389 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:23.920 anyone to imagine. So you have to prove that they 390 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:25.759 are so radical that they'd be willing to do that. 391 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:30.480 And by all the other stuff leads to the idea 392 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:32.400 that he is someone so radical that he would do that. 393 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:36.359 And so I do think they like this is the argument, 394 00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:39.359 is this incredible radical that he will do these other 395 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:41.319 things that affect you Because a f person who cares 396 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:45.279 about affordability, if they believe if twenty twenty, for example, 397 00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:47.799 if they believe that Abdul I mean, they're good, they're 398 00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:49.839 gonna discount a lot of this stuf because the political lub. 399 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:51.759 But they think that he's a little too extreme, maybe 400 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:53.160 says some things in the past, but they think he's 401 00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:55.440