Speaker 1: Jay Dyer and the coaching Castle with the peppermint rims,
Speaker 1: tripping on that candy coat.
Speaker 2: Candy coating on them rims.
Speaker 1: You can lick it, ah, get yourself a high dog.
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: We're just talking about riff Raff. Riffraff, the uh, the
Speaker 3: ultimate Millennial.
Speaker 2: I got my, I got my my.
Speaker 1: My rims is coated and cramel so you could lick
Speaker 1: it and get yourself a hide.
Speaker 3: All right, everybody, Well we got we got a special
Speaker 3: episode today. We're doing a little movie movie review esoteric analysis.
Speaker 3: Jay's gonna be doing the whole stream in character as
Speaker 3: riff Raff, So that's.
Speaker 1: What's not How y'all doing pepper mint stripes on these
Speaker 1: bitches only with hose who like got and Gabina.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: How y'all doing today?
Speaker 3: Got that scar face scarface on repeat, y'all? B Box
Speaker 3: says boomer and millennial analyzed movie Sign of Peace between Generations.
Speaker 2: Except I'm not a bloomer, but I can dress like one.
Speaker 3: You can dress like when you've got that Look at
Speaker 3: that hat, man, I think you got that hat especially
Speaker 3: for this occasion.
Speaker 2: I did, I need to do it like that to
Speaker 2: do this analysis right, the bill's got to be flat. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like y'all, Don millennials with that don flat bill. What's
Speaker 2: y'all with you today? How y'all do? I could tell
Speaker 2: like Gucci Man too, though, tell like Gucci Man. He
Speaker 2: went in the movie.
Speaker 3: Gucci Man, he was, He was great. I think he
Speaker 3: got an Academy Award for his performance in spring Breakers.
Speaker 2: Gucci Man was having a little bit of struggle with
Speaker 2: that acting, wasn't he my.
Speaker 3: Baby need to eat my baby stuff? And y'all it's
Speaker 3: got like pounds of weed in front.
Speaker 1: Of him, pounds of weed. And he was like, uh,
Speaker 1: I brought you up. I brought you up on the streets.
Speaker 1: I taught you to gang and now you're getting too
Speaker 1: big for your bridges.
Speaker 3: You don't know we're talking about We're talking about two
Speaker 3: movies today. This is kind of in line with the
Speaker 3: theme of the social engineering of the millennial. Jay and
Speaker 3: I we both watched two movies that they got a
Speaker 3: lot in common, also very different films, Beneath the Silver
Speaker 3: Lake and spring Breakers. So maybe we should talk about
Speaker 3: Beneath the Silver Lake first, because I was just reviewing
Speaker 3: some clips of that. Let's see, I've got I had
Speaker 3: some screenshots. I'll throw some screenshots up as we go.
Speaker 3: But that's a film that's got Andrew Garfield, the guy
Speaker 3: who played like the young millennial spider Man a few
Speaker 3: years back.
Speaker 4: How does it?
Speaker 3: I remember? It starts out in like a Starbucks, right,
Speaker 3: or some sort of a coffee shop, which is kind
Speaker 3: of the perfect millennial meeting place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a very strange film. It's a satire,
Speaker 2: dark satire, comedy, conspiracy movie. A lot of throwbacks to
Speaker 2: Hitchcock neo noir, a lot of throwbacks to old Hollywood
Speaker 2: Silver age Hollywood, gold age Hollywood. And we begin by
Speaker 2: seeing this coffee shop, all the hipsters hanging out, and
Speaker 2: there's there's graffiti that's been painted on the wall about
Speaker 2: watch out for the dog Killer. So dogs are being killed.
Speaker 2: We don't know why. What's going on here. Animals and
Speaker 2: dogs pop up all throughout the film. They have all
Speaker 2: of these sort of mystical significances. They're almost like totem
Speaker 2: spirits that keep popping up in in and out.
Speaker 3: Well, the first one that you actually see is a
Speaker 3: dead squirrel right, there's this dead from the sky.
Speaker 2: Almost like an hour there's this open right, so that
Speaker 2: the movie starts with this sort of dark omen of
Speaker 2: this dead squirrel. It just sort of pops out of
Speaker 2: the sky in front of him, and from then on
Speaker 2: we know something some shady's about to be going on.
Speaker 2: But let's see what I had in my notes here.
Speaker 2: I got a bunch of notes on this one. So
Speaker 2: the first the omen of the dead squirrel, that was
Speaker 2: my first note. There's a band playing and we see
Speaker 2: an ad for this Jesus in the Brides of Dracula band.
Speaker 2: So there's this weird mix of pop culture with religious symbol.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: And it could be that could be any pop band, right,
Speaker 2: it could just be a cut and paste of any
Speaker 2: of the ship pop bands. And that's that's interesting because
Speaker 2: the lead singer of this pop band is going to
Speaker 2: be immediately associated with shit. Did you notice that?
Speaker 3: You know what? I actually didn't notice that they associate
Speaker 3: him with shit. I've got the screenshot pulled up right now.
Speaker 3: Jesus in the Brides of Dracula East La resurrected or
Speaker 3: never Dead, and it's this guy like Steven Tyler looking
Speaker 3: dude with his shirt off and some chicks dressed as
Speaker 3: like satanic nuns surrounding him.
Speaker 2: So there's that there's a really disgusting scene where he
Speaker 2: when Andrew Garfield finally tracks that guy down to ask
Speaker 2: him some questions about the lyrics, and he sneaks into
Speaker 2: the bathroom and throws the dude off the toilet and
Speaker 2: you see this big pile of shit right next to
Speaker 2: the guy.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 2: So that's a double reference both to John Rowski's film
Speaker 2: where the Jesus character takes a poop, which is you know, uh,
Speaker 2: was done intentionally I think by Jowarowski to lampoon Christianity.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, there's also the the idea
Speaker 2: that the singer is essentially Shitty's he's not he doesn't
Speaker 2: have talent, and as we'll see it kind of jobs
Speaker 2: with the Dave mcgallan type research that that this band
Speaker 2: is really just a front, like they get their real
Speaker 2: songs aren't even written by them. They're just a cut
Speaker 2: and paste, you know, product, And this.
Speaker 3: Later onto the film that they didn't write any of
Speaker 3: the songs.
Speaker 2: Getting kind of myself.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, I don't want to. I don't want
Speaker 3: to blow that scene yet because we'll talk about that
Speaker 3: a little bit later. So, yeah, so Jesus and the brides,
Speaker 3: and then the guy goes home and he's a he's
Speaker 3: sitting on his porch and he's got his cell phone,
Speaker 3: a cigarette, and some binoculars and he's checking out some.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's clearizing his hippie, open tittied neighbor who is
Speaker 2: feeding her birds. She's got a basically a zoo of
Speaker 2: birds on her balcony and feeding them bare breasted. Uh.
Speaker 2: And then he spy as the babe, right, the younger chick,
Speaker 2: and she's out by the pool dancing mystically, just dancing
Speaker 2: by herself for no reason, with her puppy dog. And
Speaker 2: so he starts, you know, thinking, all right, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go for that. I'm gonna I'm gonna spit some game
Speaker 2: at her. I'm trying to think how he first meets her.
Speaker 2: I think he just kind of smiles at her, and
Speaker 2: she sees him voyeurizing. And so these are immediate references
Speaker 2: to rear Window Hitchcock, because you know, there's Jimmy Stewart
Speaker 2: characters broken. He's broken his leg, he's stuck in his apartment,
Speaker 2: so all he has to do all day is just
Speaker 2: basically watch all the other people in the apartments, and
Speaker 2: he gets into voyeurism. So that's a very Hitchcockian theme,
Speaker 2: the whole surveillance stuff. Let's see. He then max on
Speaker 2: the chick, right, so he bumps into her. He starts
Speaker 2: talking to her. She says, hey, come over. They smoke
Speaker 2: some weed. They watch an old movie, marily Monroe.
Speaker 3: Movie, and she's kind of dressed up as like a
Speaker 3: film noir, like the classic film noir fem fatale kind
Speaker 3: of chick.
Speaker 2: Who exactly she's the femme fatal exactly. Good point. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and the movie is relevant too, because I actually watched
Speaker 2: I'd never seen it, believe it or not, a Marilyn
Speaker 2: Monroe movie. I tell Jamie was like, hey, we should
Speaker 2: we should watch the movie that they're watching. And they're
Speaker 2: watching How to.
Speaker 3: Marry a Millionaire Mary a Millionaire? Uh huh.
Speaker 2: So that should have been a clue right away that
Speaker 2: this bitch is a thought dude. She ain't after your
Speaker 2: low level la apartment, She's after big money, right, And.
Speaker 3: Did you notice that they have she has statues of
Speaker 3: Marilyn Monroe, James Jane Mansfield and whoever that other woman
Speaker 3: is did you see that there's like code written underneath it,
Speaker 3: So there's a on the statues underneath it, there's like
Speaker 3: a card that will say Marilyn and then it'll have
Speaker 3: underneath it. It had some strange alphabet like some upside
Speaker 3: down te and some other symbols looked almost like English,
Speaker 3: but they were written in code. I didn't notice that
Speaker 3: till I was going through it right now taking out screenshots.
Speaker 2: No, I missed that. So so she was already kind
Speaker 2: of learning to speak in the code cipher speak that
Speaker 2: the Elite.
Speaker 3: U is basically, yeah, so I've got I've got the
Speaker 3: screen shot pulled up right now on this on this one,
Speaker 3: and it's yeah, it's the same cipher type language that
Speaker 3: James Garfield's character kind of discovers later on. I didn't
Speaker 3: know that until I didn't notice that.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that is interesting. So she she's basically trying
Speaker 2: to learn it. And then that's why when she leaves
Speaker 2: the apartment suddenly in the middle of the night, she
Speaker 2: leaves that symbol right mm hmm, yep, right, which is
Speaker 2: like two diamonds on their sides.
Speaker 3: Basically yeah, and he doesn't know what any means. He
Speaker 3: goes trying to figure out what this symbol means.
Speaker 2: Right, and so at the same time as all that's
Speaker 2: going down, he and he notices this weird pirate guy
Speaker 2: at her at her hanging out her apartment, some some
Speaker 2: idiot hipster that dresses up like a pirate. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: he's like, who is that fucking weird dude? And he's like,
Speaker 2: why are all your friends so weird? And at the
Speaker 2: same time, keep in mind too, he can't pay his rent,
Speaker 2: so he's having he's overdoing his rent. He can't pay
Speaker 2: his rent. He goes to the landlord. He's like, why
Speaker 2: did this chick move out in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2: The Landlord's like, because she wanted to move And he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but in the middle of the night. And he's like
Speaker 2: she moves she didn't like you get over it, and
Speaker 2: he's like, pay your rent. So this is an interesting
Speaker 2: because conspiracy theorists, right, they're always portrayed as the guys
Speaker 2: who can't pay the rent. They get obsessed with the conspiracy.
Speaker 2: Uh you know they have the strands of yarn all
Speaker 2: over the apartment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, nothing going on in their life other than
Speaker 3: just this obsessive compulsive behavior, get conspiracizing everything in the world,
Speaker 3: and he doesn't necessarily fit all of those stereotypes, but
Speaker 3: he touches on him a little bit, right, He's like,
Speaker 3: he's got his the shallow.
Speaker 2: Well, he's gonna if you remember his buddy who he meets,
Speaker 2: who's the comic book artist, is the conspiracy theoris who's
Speaker 2: way down the rabbit hole. And he thinks that guy
Speaker 2: is a nutball, Like he's like, this guy's crazy. But
Speaker 2: as the film progresses, he starts going down that rabbit hole. Right.
Speaker 3: So, and what's interesting is that the whole rabbit hole
Speaker 3: is like it's laid out so that it can lead
Speaker 3: the character progressively down his little you know, heroes journey
Speaker 3: of degeneracy and pop culture masturbatory, you know existence, you know,
Speaker 3: it's you know, he sees where where did he first
Speaker 3: see in a comic book or something it said that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he notices that his favorite favorite comic book has
Speaker 2: this artist has put out this comic about the Silver
Speaker 2: Lake and murders in the past, uh related to Hollywood
Speaker 2: in relationship to this lake that's that's near where he lives.
Speaker 2: So anyway, so basically he tracks down, Yeah, the the artist,
Speaker 2: but he also notice of too. This is two other
Speaker 2: points that so in the in the first chick's apartment,
Speaker 2: we see hearts and butterflies, which is imagery of like transformation,
Speaker 2: also sometimes connected to mind control. She sees fireworks and
Speaker 2: goes into a trance such like she's mesmerized by fireworks
Speaker 2: at one bizarre. So he doesn't understand what's up with
Speaker 2: this chick. She seems crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's watching her almost as if she's a television
Speaker 3: screen too. Right, look the way he interacts with her.
Speaker 3: And even though they you know, they have I don't think.
Speaker 3: I guess they don't have sex, but they kiss or something, right,
Speaker 3: or they they have something.
Speaker 2: He wants to He thinks he's gonna get laid. And
Speaker 2: then she's like, oh, sorry, I gotta go, and you
Speaker 2: need to go. We'll hang out some other time. And
Speaker 2: he's like, uh. And they're eating crackers because they're stoned.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well they're they're having orange juice and like saltine crackers. Right,
Speaker 3: It's funny all the food culture in this movie. It's
Speaker 3: all fast food or you know, prepackaged crap. But then
Speaker 3: they're drinking like expensive drinks at these parties. And stuff, right,
Speaker 3: and then just you know, trash food but expensive liquor.
Speaker 2: Good point. Yeah, I didn't even think about that, but yeah,
Speaker 2: but there's also kind of like he's interacting with these
Speaker 2: higher level, higher classes and much wealthier people, so people
Speaker 2: out of his leg. Now, he's not a broke his money.
Speaker 2: He has some money, right, because he calls his mom.
Speaker 2: She's supporting him. So that's another kind of millennial thing,
Speaker 2: like he doesn't have a job, but his mom is
Speaker 2: sending him money for some reason. We don't know why.
Speaker 3: Right. And then I like that scene actually when he's
Speaker 3: talking on the phone with his mom and he has
Speaker 3: no respect for her at all. Right, he's got a
Speaker 3: cigarette in his mouth, he's basically jerking off with binoculars,
Speaker 3: spying on his neighbors and just like yeah, mom, whatever, whatever, whatever,
Speaker 3: I love you. So I mean, and it's such a
Speaker 3: typical generational divide that's represented there with millennials. Right, just mom, dad,
Speaker 3: give me money so I can buy drugs, and yeah,
Speaker 3: pay my rent.
Speaker 2: That's a great point. And yeah, and basically just you know,
Speaker 2: screw around, watch porn, you know, play video games, be
Speaker 2: nigh realistic, basically udonistic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hedonism is a major theme in both of these films.
Speaker 3: And that one chick that he meets later, well, we'll
Speaker 3: talk about this later. Go ahead. It seems like you've
Speaker 3: got a really good outline right now of the film.
Speaker 2: So uh, let's see. So so we he notices too,
Speaker 2: this weird news clip of a billionaire who has supposedly
Speaker 2: died or gone missing, and he has a TV show
Speaker 2: and he wasn't just a billionaire who's also a kind
Speaker 2: of evil can evil you know, super Dave type character
Speaker 2: who I don't know, did some kind of jumps over
Speaker 2: buses and shit. But he's gone missing or he's kidnapped,
Speaker 2: we don't know. So he puts that in the back
Speaker 2: of his mind. He doesn't know what's going on yet,
Speaker 2: but it's probably connected. If you look at the films,
Speaker 2: and if you look at his posters, they're all old Hollywood.
Speaker 2: So his apartment is full of old movie posters, everything
Speaker 2: from Wolfman to Hitchcock to to all kinds of classic Hollywood.
Speaker 3: Then let's see, Well, he's got the he's got the
Speaker 3: faces on the wall to the plaster cast.
Speaker 2: Face that was the conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, no, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, but I'm just saying you're right though that
Speaker 2: when you were talking about him interacting with her almost
Speaker 2: like she's on a TV screen. He sees it that way.
Speaker 2: It's because he's he's viewing the world like it's a movie.
Speaker 2: Like it's like it's a virtual you know, Hollywood presentation,
Speaker 2: something like a video game. The movie itself is like
Speaker 2: a video game quest basically, hence the Zelder references later on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also he wears, you know, his video game shirt. Right,
Speaker 3: He's got a shirt and it's a character swimming in
Speaker 3: the water and there's a shark underneath. I think that's
Speaker 3: what the shirt is. There's a shark underneath it. And
Speaker 3: then it says, you know, one hundred points on the
Speaker 3: person that's swimming across ah across the top, you know,
Speaker 3: he's just about to be consumed by this creature that
Speaker 3: lurks beneath.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well that's see. Now you've noticed a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of things. I didn't even notice, and I gave it
Speaker 2: two viewings and still missed quite a bit of the references,
Speaker 2: so that there's a lot here. Uh, let's see, I've
Speaker 2: got to notice says silver Lake A it was an
Speaker 2: old silent film studio. So it goes there's this ghostly
Speaker 2: pass back to the to the early days of Hollywood. Uh,
Speaker 2: and then he's he's he's reading his comic book and
Speaker 2: the comic books based around these murders that happened a
Speaker 2: long time ago, and there's a reference to it said
Speaker 2: this phrase, no one will ever be happy until all
Speaker 2: of the dogs are dead. So we keep seeing this
Speaker 2: reference to the need for the dogs to die. There
Speaker 2: was a reference to stunt dogs and in this story,
Speaker 2: some some actor killed a dog because he got mad
Speaker 2: and jealous that the dog the dog was getting more
Speaker 2: screen time than he was. In this old in the
Speaker 2: comic books referencing like the twenties, and it's telling this
Speaker 2: story about some actor that got upstaged by some stupid
Speaker 2: dog and so he killed the dog.
Speaker 3: That's kind of a weird. Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's this mythology of the dog killer, but
Speaker 2: we don't know why it's being put on graffiti everywhere
Speaker 2: in the present day.
Speaker 3: But it also, I mean it puts on the same
Speaker 3: level the dog and the actors and the people. Right
Speaker 3: basically trained.
Speaker 2: Dogs are in fact. Yeah, what you'll notice there's a
Speaker 2: few scenes where the thoughts, all the millennial thoughts bitches
Speaker 2: start barking. They're essentially the dogs. I think they bark.
Speaker 3: At him, right, they're barking at They throw him down
Speaker 3: in the bathroom. One of them spits in his face,
Speaker 3: and then they start barking at him.
Speaker 2: Let's see, So is it cursed? Is the Silver Lake Edendale?
Speaker 2: Is it cursed? He has a dream of a dog
Speaker 2: killer in the park. But and keep in mind he's
Speaker 2: got Wolfman posters on his wall, Wolfman rear window, Dracula.
Speaker 2: And then the two the two squares that are the
Speaker 2: symbols that she's left in her room are very they're
Speaker 2: almost exactly the same as the twin peaks symbols. About
Speaker 2: that reference the colts out in the woods.
Speaker 3: Oh that's interesting. I didn't notice that. But there are
Speaker 3: a lot of David Lynch references in the movie too. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, so we know there's some kind of something cultic
Speaker 2: going on in the background. We don't exactly know what yet.
Speaker 2: But he goes to this party. They call it Purgatory.
Speaker 2: The party is called purgatory. I'm not sure what to
Speaker 2: make of that, but there is a very conspicuous all
Speaker 2: sing eye at the party. So we're gonna be littered
Speaker 2: with the all seeing eye imagery, classic conspiracy, you know,
Speaker 2: all Egypt, you know, Pharaoh, that kind of stuff, and
Speaker 2: that's gonna be the essentially the crux of the film
Speaker 2: is spoiler alert, it's going to be about Egyptian mystery religion. Essentially,
Speaker 2: that's the crux of it. But so yeah, so the
Speaker 2: women are barking at him like dogs, and then he
Speaker 2: leaves this party. He's trying to get information on what's
Speaker 2: going on and he can't figure out where this this
Speaker 2: chick disappeared to. He's kind of infatuated whe her, and
Speaker 2: then he finds out that the daughter of the billionaire
Speaker 2: who went missing is hanging out at these parties too,
Speaker 2: so he's thinking, oh, maybe I can talk to her,
Speaker 2: but he doesn't get a chance to the bitches in
Speaker 2: the bathroom throw him down and bark at him, like
Speaker 2: you said.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got that screenshot of the crazy chicks. They
Speaker 3: all have pink wigs, like pink hair, and they're kind
Speaker 3: of dressed up like the crazy feminist chicks.
Speaker 2: So then uh he he overhears these the brides of Dracula,
Speaker 2: who are the women in the stupid pop band talking
Speaker 2: about sleeping with Jesus. Who's the idiot pop band leader guy.
Speaker 2: And so the clue here is that these women are
Speaker 2: all essentially prostitutes. They're all they're all, They're all they're
Speaker 2: in it for is status, climbing and money. And I
Speaker 2: think the irony here is that he doesn't pick up
Speaker 2: on this, this girl that he's infatuated with. He's not
Speaker 2: picking up on the fact that she's just one of
Speaker 2: these same thought nuts. Yeah, she's these same o's, but
Speaker 2: he's really thinking, oh, you know, I can, I can.
Speaker 2: I can still put my time and energy into the
Speaker 2: quest like you know link and I can say Princess
Speaker 2: Zelda or something. Then we get this weird reference to
Speaker 2: the owl and the owls kiss because he he's got
Speaker 2: all these questions, so he tracks down his conspiracy theory buddy.
Speaker 2: Well they become buddies. He's the guy who draws a
Speaker 2: comic book, and this conspiracy theory guy is like way
Speaker 2: down the rabbit hole. If you look in his room,
Speaker 2: there's every kind of conspiracy you can think of, everything
Speaker 2: ufo aliens, templars, little figurines of Zelda.
Speaker 3: We've got a lot of owls in there too, ye.
Speaker 2: Owls yeah, And so Bohemian Grove references start coming to
Speaker 2: the four and he's intrigued by the conspiracy guy's thoughts,
Speaker 2: but he also starts thinking he's nuts because the conspiracy
Speaker 2: guy has taken it so far that he's actually referencing,
Speaker 2: like you said, pop culture crap food, like it's supposed
Speaker 2: to be flint stone cereal, but it's space stones, right.
Speaker 2: So he's like, he's there's these messages that are on
Speaker 2: the boxes of cereal, and he's like, this guy's like, this.
Speaker 3: Guy's yeah, yeah. The message it says something like, uh,
Speaker 3: I think all everything I've been lurking looking for my
Speaker 3: whole life I believe is on this map. And he
Speaker 3: shows the map on the back of this stupid box
Speaker 3: of box, which is so funny. But it's like, I mean,
Speaker 3: you see this a lot in pop culture now, and
Speaker 3: even in the whole conspiracy world. Remember all the uh
Speaker 3: you know, like the syncro mysticism videos and stuff. Back
Speaker 3: in like twenty twelve, people were getting really into finding
Speaker 3: these weird pop culture references and basically and people started
Speaker 3: trying to make predictions about future events by watching television
Speaker 3: and pop culture, which is so funny. They thought in
Speaker 3: this like realm of like the whole conspiracy world, these
Speaker 3: people were you know, they thought they were you know,
Speaker 3: tapping into something so prophetic. But yeah, yeah, what do
Speaker 3: you think about that about the hell phenomenon back in
Speaker 3: the day. I don't know if people still do it,
Speaker 3: but that was huge.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's obviously it's a way to look
Speaker 2: silly because we don't don't always know what is intentional
Speaker 2: and what's not. I mean, I think looking back, it's
Speaker 2: easier to figure out. Okay, there were quite a few
Speaker 2: references to nine to eleven in pop culture, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, that's no guarantee that you're going to infallibly
Speaker 2: interpret the phenomenon in pop culture. And a lot of
Speaker 2: things in pop culture aren't intentional. They're just coincidence or
Speaker 2: they're they're put there, yeah, by artists creativity, but sometimes
Speaker 2: there is predictive programming. So but again, you know, unless
Speaker 2: you know for sure the the intention of the people
Speaker 2: who put it in there, it's not really any way
Speaker 2: to know with certainty, you know, what the what the
Speaker 2: meaning is. But yeah, it does, it does. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: recalls that you know, Lauren Coleman's blog Synchronisticism. He got
Speaker 2: pretty popular for a while, and even Hoffman and his
Speaker 2: book talks about mystical toponymy about names and if you've
Speaker 2: ever heard of James Shelby Downard, he wrote a whole
Speaker 2: book about this very thing anyway.
Speaker 3: So you know, it's another funny thing. In the same
Speaker 3: scene or in the same sequence when they start going
Speaker 3: over the plaster faces in the wall and the guy,
Speaker 3: the character or the actor who plays this character is
Speaker 3: the same guy that was in We'll holand Drive that
Speaker 3: plays that in the last scene in the before that
Speaker 3: like weird monster bum thing pops out in the very
Speaker 3: last scene. So I thought that was a weird reference.
Speaker 3: And he's kind of a similar character, right with the
Speaker 3: weird eyes and the you know, just bugging out, tripping
Speaker 3: out about Well.
Speaker 2: This is another parallel to to Twin Peaks and Lynch stuff.
Speaker 2: You're right, is is the hoboes. Hoboes are a network,
Speaker 2: Hoboes have a king, and David Lynch. There's hobo demons, right,
Speaker 2: Hobo goblins pretty consistently throughout David Lynch stuff. So that's
Speaker 2: I think intentional. That was a did.
Speaker 3: You catch the weird part when he says, there's Johnny
Speaker 3: Depp's face right next to Grace Kelly.
Speaker 2: What did you make of that?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know what to make of it, right, So
Speaker 3: I'm not let me look into this. I looked into
Speaker 3: Grace Kelly before, but it was just weird. They pause
Speaker 3: for about ten seconds showing Johnny Depp's face and Grace Kelly,
Speaker 3: and they both kind of got a little bit tripped
Speaker 3: out by it.
Speaker 2: Well, she was she was murdered by the by the elite.
Speaker 2: It's pretty certain.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's it. She was the princess of Monaco, right, She.
Speaker 2: Was dating the Prince of Monaco, and there was some
Speaker 2: he had held back money that had to do with diamonds,
Speaker 2: so he was involved in some shady diamond stuff and
Speaker 2: the elite sent him a message.
Speaker 3: I just thought it was so strange because you know,
Speaker 3: Johnny Depp, I mean, when when you look at like
Speaker 3: kind of where he's at today and all the weird
Speaker 3: stories about him, the Viper Room and his connections with
Speaker 3: oh Hunter Thompson, you know, I mean, he was obsessed
Speaker 3: with Hunter Thompson, really really close with him. Basically, you know,
Speaker 3: he just hit the shattered Psyche of Johnny Depp is
Speaker 3: kind of like the quintessential, you know, child star. You know,
Speaker 3: he wasn't one of these kids stars who was around
Speaker 3: Hollywood for a long time. I just thought it was
Speaker 3: a weird reference, you know, to obviously possible human sacrifice
Speaker 3: stuff that people talking about Grace Kelly and then Johnny
Speaker 3: Dett being involved in a lot of these weird things
Speaker 3: with River Phoenix and stuff too. I don't know what
Speaker 3: to make of it. It's just it seems like they
Speaker 3: were just trying to bait people to kind of think
Speaker 3: about these things.
Speaker 2: So he received he gets this cookie at this party
Speaker 2: and says, hey, come to the Brides of Dracula performance.
Speaker 2: We're playing in a tomb. So they're actually gonna have
Speaker 2: the band's going to play in a tomb. But to
Speaker 2: get into this party, he has to eat this cookie.
Speaker 2: And it's a cookie that has the number seventy six
Speaker 2: on it. So I'm not seventeen seventy six, and I'm
Speaker 2: not exactly sure what the point of the seventy six was.
Speaker 2: The logo seventy six Oil Wool Company or whatever.
Speaker 3: Well, in California, there's seventy six gas stations everywhere too.
Speaker 2: So right, that's why I'm in the gas station ole company.
Speaker 2: Let's see the billionaire. It turns out he was supposedly
Speaker 2: burned up in a car wreck. They found his car
Speaker 2: and there's a hat there and it's the hat of
Speaker 2: the chick. It's on the news clip. They find this
Speaker 2: hat and it's the hat of the girl that he
Speaker 2: was first infatuated with. So now he starts to be
Speaker 2: freaked out because he's like, whoa this chick that I
Speaker 2: was trying to make it with, she's actually, you know,
Speaker 2: hanging out with this billionaire that supposedly just died. So
Speaker 2: this is crazy what's going on. He's like, I didn't
Speaker 2: even know that I was hanging out with this hoe
Speaker 2: of the billionaire. So anyway, but I've forgotten too. The
Speaker 2: other thing about the conspiracy theorist is that he tells
Speaker 2: Andrew Garfield says, watch out for the owl's kiss, and
Speaker 2: he doesn't know what that is, but it's some kind
Speaker 2: of assassin or something kind of spirit or killer. And
Speaker 2: he says, anybody who sees the owl, they know they're
Speaker 2: going to be dying soon.
Speaker 3: It was a pretty blatant Twin Peaks kind of reference.
Speaker 2: Right, there is, and then he which and also beheman
Speaker 2: great over and then he's and then he shows him
Speaker 2: the owl on the dollar bill. He's like, look at
Speaker 2: our dollar bill. It has a has an owl on it, right,
Speaker 2: which has the all seeing eye on it too. But uh,
Speaker 2: and there is there really is the owl on the
Speaker 2: dollar bill is true and that's why DC has that owl. Owl.
Speaker 2: Imagery and owls are obviously, you know, they're kind of
Speaker 2: classic symbols for spooks. I mean, not just spooks in
Speaker 2: the sense of ghosts and demons and the way it's
Speaker 2: using twin peaks intelligence. But they're intelligent because they sit
Speaker 2: back and they watch exactly. I'm not sure what to
Speaker 2: make up the Janet Gainer stuff about how he's his
Speaker 2: mom loves this actress, Janet Gainer and and she's her favorite,
Speaker 2: and that comes up a little bit later after this
Speaker 2: this uh band performance that he goes to. But the
Speaker 2: reason I'm bringing up the band performance is because he
Speaker 2: meets another thought at this party who was dancing with
Speaker 2: balloons and acting all idiotic. Uh. He eats this cookie
Speaker 2: because he said he was told that's how you get
Speaker 2: in the party is you have to eat the cookie. Well,
Speaker 2: it turns out you're just supposed to take a bite
Speaker 2: of the cookie, and it's like a really heavy dose
Speaker 2: of I.
Speaker 3: Don't know, yeah, some sort of hall heavy or something.
Speaker 2: Some yeah, some heavy drugs. So he gets blowed out
Speaker 2: of his mind and he's trying to score with his chick,
Speaker 2: but he can't because he's so ends up being so
Speaker 2: messed up. And what do you think.
Speaker 3: About the red balloon? And like the whole the chicks
Speaker 3: kind of appears. I got a picture ever pulled up.
Speaker 3: I thought that it was a very Masonic building that
Speaker 3: they go into. It's kind of like this initiation. Then
Speaker 3: they go underground, right, so it's like the first.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah it is. It's I mean the party that
Speaker 2: he was just at was called purgatory, and then he's
Speaker 2: underground in this tomb, so it's the underworld. It's supposed
Speaker 2: to be the realm of the dad.
Speaker 3: Did you see the table they sit at is shaped
Speaker 3: like a heart, but it's a tombstone and it says
Speaker 3: Jane Mansfield on it.
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't see that.
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, I was pausive and try to figure out
Speaker 3: some of the references and some of this stuff. And
Speaker 3: right before that, when he before he goes to the party.
Speaker 3: He's talking to the guy in the weird Indian suit
Speaker 3: and there in front of this giant tombstone that says hitch.
Speaker 2: On it ah. Now, and of course Jane Mansfield being
Speaker 2: in the Church of Satan, so that one's that one's
Speaker 2: an interesting reference there.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And the chick she's got like a bedie in her eye.
Speaker 3: She's got like a little her cute glittery plastic fake
Speaker 3: jewel for her third eye. You know, it's like this
Speaker 3: whole you know, fake, fake spiritual thing. And then they're talking.
Speaker 2: Now this is crucial, Yeah, because the the the thoughts
Speaker 2: in the movie are bought into the ascension consciousness cult
Speaker 2: that's going to be referenced at the end. Did you
Speaker 2: catch that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, no, And that's that's kind of a
Speaker 3: freakier part about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, but so the girls all believe that they're
Speaker 2: part of this secret elite network that's going to ascend,
Speaker 2: which we'll see later.
Speaker 3: But so and she says, this girl says to him
Speaker 3: when they're down there, you know, we we've only got
Speaker 3: one life. It's just so small. Don't waste your time
Speaker 3: thinking about things that don't matter we have our bodies. Yeah,
Speaker 3: unless we can just fuck. Yeah, she says, had a
Speaker 3: couple of times this really awkward way. And then she
Speaker 3: blows up a balloon at a red blue tree. She
Speaker 3: blows it up, like when she's talking about not wasting
Speaker 3: your energy on futile things. She pulls a fucking plastic
Speaker 3: balloon from her shirt and blows it up and then
Speaker 3: pops it with a cigarette. And then they go and
Speaker 3: then they go dance to an R. E. M.
Speaker 2: Song.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I don't forget what song it was.
Speaker 4: And then in the middle of the dance, she goes,
Speaker 4: we should fuck.
Speaker 2: I just took out as millennial weirdness.
Speaker 3: This is the millennial dating ritual right here, right like
Speaker 3: meat at a stupid party, consume some drugs.
Speaker 4: I have fruity pebbles at my house. You go the
Speaker 4: fucking we get eat them. Let's go out to the
Speaker 4: Let's go to my Little Pony.
Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah, that's part of what makes the film appealing
Speaker 2: is the weirdness of all the millennial pop culture.
Speaker 3: It's so funny the way they interact with each other,
Speaker 3: and like the the disc on them.
Speaker 2: Everything is awkward.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And he's always so stoned. He's always Andrew
Speaker 3: Garfield's character has always just blazed out of his mind.
Speaker 3: His eyes are like half closed and he's like mumbling,
Speaker 3: always into senses.
Speaker 2: He uh uh wakes up after kind of blacking out
Speaker 2: after being drugged at this party the next day in
Speaker 2: this graveyard and he talks to his mom. She mentions
Speaker 2: movies and Janet Gainer, this actress from the old days
Speaker 2: of Hollywood. By the way I looked her up, she
Speaker 2: was in uh, how to Be a Star or how
Speaker 2: to Spot a Star, something about women becoming stars in Hollywood.
Speaker 2: Basically it's her is her big famous movie and then
Speaker 2: she so in other words, that's hinting at all of
Speaker 2: these hose around him, is they think they're going to
Speaker 2: be stars. They're trying to climb that ladder and it's
Speaker 2: all essentially run by a giant colt. Uh and the
Speaker 2: only way that you get to the top is basically
Speaker 2: being a prostitute. And we're starting to learn that. Oh wait,
Speaker 2: turns out a lot of the A list actresses basically
Speaker 2: just slept their way to the top. This is part
Speaker 2: of the whole Weinstein stuff right.
Speaker 3: Right right, and this is all coming out this film
Speaker 3: just came out during all this madness too. And all
Speaker 3: the girls he's been talking to he finds he sees
Speaker 3: a few of them in movies.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: He ends up like, and everyone's trying to get parts, right,
Speaker 3: it's just the la scene. Everyone's trying to get recognized,
Speaker 3: get attention, but everybody's just totally lost, has no idea
Speaker 3: who they are, what they're about. They have no values,
Speaker 3: no morals.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: The only like references to uh, you know, Christianity or blasphemous.
Speaker 3: It's you know, Jesus is uh is the head of
Speaker 3: this vampire band. And it's just it's just totally twisted
Speaker 3: reality that they're living in. And yeah, all you're right,
Speaker 3: all the all the female characters in this movie were
Speaker 3: literal prostitutes, you find out.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what he So when he that night he
Speaker 2: leaves the graveyard, he goes to this party, which again
Speaker 2: is that a graveyard, which is interesting because they're doing
Speaker 2: a the hipsters are doing an independent movie showing at
Speaker 2: the graveyard, and so everybody's just kind of hanging out
Speaker 2: and chilling and he's watching the movie and he sees
Speaker 2: these these you know, mediocre actresses in this independent film
Speaker 2: and he looks over at these this that pirate, that
Speaker 2: goofy pirate dude that he saw at the beginning at
Speaker 2: the party of the chicks apartment, and he's got these
Speaker 2: two hose on his arm, and he's like, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: he said, that's the chicks from the movie. So he's noticing,
Speaker 2: like you said, he's starting to see all these are
Speaker 2: people in ads. He sees a girl on a billboard,
Speaker 2: he meets her at a party. He sees these hose
Speaker 2: in this you know, in this movie, So like you said,
Speaker 2: they're they're all in trying to get in the scene,
Speaker 2: get attention, get noticed, and big surprise, turns out they're
Speaker 2: also prostitutes. He's pleasuring himself later in the movie, raunchy scene,
Speaker 2: but he notices in one of the dirty mags he's got,
Speaker 2: he sees this ad for escorts and it was the
Speaker 2: chick that was in the independent movie who was also
Speaker 2: the hoe of the pirate.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and the sequence that leads up to it,
Speaker 3: it's so it's the perfect like the whole millennial's reality, right.
Speaker 3: So he goes home, he's like stoned, playing Mario with
Speaker 3: his friend and his friend's got a fedora on he's
Speaker 3: a pull up a screener. I've got the uh.
Speaker 2: He's the total skeptic Fedora hipster. I mean, Fedoras are
Speaker 2: the atheist retards, but for all intents and purposes, the
Speaker 2: same type of dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, he's like the standard hipster guy. He's got
Speaker 3: this lame little tattoo on his arm and stuff, and
Speaker 3: he's playing Mario. He's got the glasses and he's got,
Speaker 3: you know, some video game themed sweatshirt. And the dude's
Speaker 3: laying there, he's stoned, and he's he's reading through this
Speaker 3: book about like code breaking or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he starts reading about ciphers and codes because he's
Speaker 2: heard that the vampires have a a backmasking, subliminal message
Speaker 2: in one of their records, one of their songs.
Speaker 3: And then he starts listening to the song backwards.
Speaker 2: He starts listening. He's intrigued with the idea, and so
Speaker 2: he's reading about ciphers and codes and he finds out, oh,
Speaker 2: this is a real thing. There really are ciphers and codes.
Speaker 2: And there's this important scene that a lot of people
Speaker 2: forgot because he got squirted by a skunk when he
Speaker 2: was out doing his investigations, which is kind of funny
Speaker 2: because he keeps stinking all throughout the movie. He smells
Speaker 2: like shit, even.
Speaker 3: Before he got scored him got by the skunk. Did
Speaker 3: you notice that there they introduced the theme of him
Speaker 3: smelling or everything smelling in his apartment even before the
Speaker 3: squnt the skunk's did.
Speaker 2: That's funny? Yeah, So he he uh uh. He gets
Speaker 2: squared by the skunk, and then and he's having to
Speaker 2: wash the tomato juice and his halfway girlfriend that's this
Speaker 2: actress that he's just sleeping with, shows up. She comes
Speaker 2: over and she's like, and she had noticed too when
Speaker 2: she was there a few nights before that. He has
Speaker 2: these notebooks by his bed where he's been writing about
Speaker 2: codes in pop culture, but he's scared to tell anybody
Speaker 2: because he thinks, you know, they're gonna think I'm crazy,
Speaker 2: so he keeps it to himself. So then he decides
Speaker 2: to divulge this to her because he's noticed a lot
Speaker 2: more things. He's like, do you ever think that the elite,
Speaker 2: you know, live completely different and they speak to one
Speaker 2: another in codes? And maybe all this stuff in pop
Speaker 2: culture is actually about something else, It's not just you know,
Speaker 2: pop culture, it's also sending a message, and maybe there's
Speaker 2: meanings being bad and and maybe you know, rich people
Speaker 2: actually run shit.
Speaker 6: And she's like, yes, don't you just.
Speaker 3: Want to fuck and eat saltines and drink orange juice.
Speaker 2: So he can't tell anybody because you know, he knows
Speaker 2: it sounds crazy. But he's getting deeper and deeper and
Speaker 2: deeper down this rabbit hole, and it is eventually going
Speaker 2: to completely obsess him. Pop culture and mainstream media are
Speaker 2: coded languages that operate on multiple levels, so he starts
Speaker 2: noticing predictive programming. He says, maybe rich people actually know things,
Speaker 2: and they know more than we do, and we don't
Speaker 2: know shit. That's what he tells her, and she's like, yeah, whatever,
Speaker 2: you're insane. Let's see then we introduce the hobo characters sorright.
Speaker 2: So after all this, he starts tracking down this message
Speaker 2: that's in the songs of this dumb band. And I
Speaker 2: forget how he breaks it, but it's something to do
Speaker 2: with like the different chords on the in the song
Speaker 2: correspond to letters or something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it's some kind of schizophrenic sounding,
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, the thing and what I thought was
Speaker 3: funny is when he had his revelation, Like his whole
Speaker 3: revelation thing is all tied in with him masturbating.
Speaker 2: Right, So that was weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like the millennials version of like their satanic
Speaker 3: you know, divine revelation comes through them masturbating sex magic. Yeah,
Speaker 3: pop culture.
Speaker 2: In fact, Croley even said that the masturbation should be
Speaker 2: uh direct at energy and sex magic. So it's not
Speaker 2: just pleasure. You're supposed to get, you know, enlightenment and
Speaker 2: revelation out of even masturbation.
Speaker 3: So and when he's jerking off, he's got a here,
Speaker 3: got a screen pulled up right here, He's got Kurt
Speaker 3: Cobain poster right behind him, which is uh. I just
Speaker 3: always think that's interest. There's a lot of Kirk Cobain references.
Speaker 2: There are because he's he's a big fan of Nirvana
Speaker 2: and Kirk Cobain. He almost idolizes them. And that's that's
Speaker 2: relevant because when he gets to the old rich Man,
Speaker 2: the old rich Man is going to shatter his idols.
Speaker 2: He's going to tell him that his idols didn't even
Speaker 2: write their own songs. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so's he's jerking off And I just thought it
Speaker 3: was so funny. The pictures he's jerking off to. It's
Speaker 3: just all these old magazines and like just weird picture people.
Speaker 3: He's got People magazine, He's got this old version of
Speaker 3: this old playboy that I guess he says earlier that
Speaker 3: it was his first porn or something like that. Right,
Speaker 3: so he's got this mythologized you know, pornography thing in
Speaker 3: his mind. And uh, you know, his his revelations come
Speaker 3: when he's jerking off to pop culture, you know, trash
Speaker 3: magazines that are just sitting there on his h.
Speaker 2: That is an interesting point. So it's almost like pop
Speaker 2: culture self is masturbatory. It doesn't even have any meaning
Speaker 2: beyond just completely sterile, empty wastefulness basically.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, and I guess you know that's his procreative energy, right,
Speaker 3: Like this energy could be using to you know, find
Speaker 3: a wife, to make children, to you know, make his
Speaker 3: you know, maybe improve on his culture, try and you know,
Speaker 3: somehow be a you know, a reasonable or not reasonable,
Speaker 3: but a you know, a virtuous person. It's just it
Speaker 3: all gets used for chasing women, getting his car back,
Speaker 3: and getting money, and you know, just this weird chasing
Speaker 3: down of this esoteric illusion in pop culture that it
Speaker 3: ends it ends like in him figuring like almost being human,
Speaker 3: sacrificed himself, right, Actually, his whole journey ends up in
Speaker 3: him almost giving.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's the thing is is is if
Speaker 2: you he idolizes these people who are these mavens of
Speaker 2: pop culture. And so he's in the scene, he's hanging
Speaker 2: out with people in the scene. He's realizing they're all ridiculous.
Speaker 2: He's realizing they're basically just prostitutes. And so he's starting
Speaker 2: to see that the the the star making machinery is
Speaker 2: a giant, you know, apparatus that creates this stuff. It's
Speaker 2: not actually genius musicians who you know, just rise to
Speaker 2: the top because of their amazing phenomenal talent, right right,
Speaker 2: that's the mythology that that's good crushed here. And so
Speaker 2: he's realizing it's not just about his musicians that he likes,
Speaker 2: but it's also about you know, the actors and the
Speaker 2: actresses in these films that he likes. So he's he's
Speaker 2: realizing this codes are real. He doesn't know what to do.
Speaker 2: Our world is full of these codes. He starts noticing
Speaker 2: it everywhere, billboards, video games. He's starting to see symbols codes. Right,
Speaker 2: so he's awakened in a sense.
Speaker 3: The Nintendo Power magazine becomes his another one of his
Speaker 3: ciphers too. So it's just just all pop culture is
Speaker 3: leading him down this path to some sort of an
Speaker 3: ultimate end in some sort of realization.
Speaker 2: I can't read my notes here in a couple of
Speaker 2: these places, but so basically, yeah, so what this cipher
Speaker 2: tells him to do, Oh, this is the Griffith Observatory,
Speaker 2: so this is important. So the cipher tells him, if
Speaker 2: you figure this out, go to the Griffith Observatory and
Speaker 2: rub the head of Newton which is a statue of
Speaker 2: bust of Newton there or or is it James Dean?
Speaker 3: It's James Dean.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's right, Yeah, And I've been to that. And
Speaker 2: if you go to the grip of Observatory. What's weird
Speaker 2: about it is that the whole thing is super Masonic,
Speaker 2: like it's super occultic. Everything about the architecture of the symbolism,
Speaker 2: the whole thing is is mega Masonic. So I thought
Speaker 2: that was significant. So he goes there, he rubs ahead
Speaker 2: of James Dean and this hobo shows up. Who's the
Speaker 2: King of the hoboes, and he doesn't know what to do.
Speaker 2: He's like, what is this real? The hobo says, put
Speaker 2: your blindfold on. Masonic blindfold, right. The hobo leads him
Speaker 2: to a bomb shelter underground and locks him in there.
Speaker 2: So he's underneath La. And by the way, there are
Speaker 2: reportedly tunnels all under LA. But so he's under there
Speaker 2: and he doesn't know it.
Speaker 3: Blindfolds him right, just like you know, this kind of
Speaker 3: Masonic initiation. And right then they see that they see
Speaker 3: a coyote on the way, right, or he hears the cot.
Speaker 2: He says, the coyotes. We follow the coyotes because they
Speaker 2: tell us more than anybody else, or something like the
Speaker 2: codes are here.
Speaker 3: To help us spiritual animals. It's got this kind of
Speaker 3: like hokey spirituality.
Speaker 2: That it's this weird animistic, very sort of simple pagan
Speaker 2: type view. But that will come up later with with
Speaker 2: the with the elite, the billionaires. But so he realizes
Speaker 2: down there that there's this giant all seeing eye above
Speaker 2: this bomb shelter underground. He's like, what is this And
Speaker 2: it turns out it's just an old bomb shelter that's
Speaker 2: being renovated for somebody to live down there. So he's like, what,
Speaker 2: So he follows this this hallway and he crawls up
Speaker 2: and he doesn't he crawl out of the coffee shop
Speaker 2: at the beginning, I think there's like he finds this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, the bomb shelter's weird because there's plastic all
Speaker 3: over it, right, there's like it's got these plastic covered
Speaker 3: I've got it pulled up here.
Speaker 2: It's being renovated for another billionaire to go down there.
Speaker 3: And there's toilets. There's like five toilets in a row
Speaker 3: at the end of the room.
Speaker 2: It's just really weird because each each billionaire has like
Speaker 2: three or four wives, right right. So so he's like,
Speaker 2: so there's an old bomb shoulder just being renovated. I
Speaker 2: don't get it. He crawls out. Uh, there's a secret
Speaker 2: exit passage that I think lets him out in the
Speaker 2: coffee shop that we see at the.
Speaker 3: There's a passage. But it's kind of like it reminds
Speaker 3: me of those old nineties videos remember with like exploring
Speaker 3: the Pyramids, like finding the secret chamber. It looks like
Speaker 3: he's you know, climbing climbing to the King's chamber of
Speaker 3: the pyramid or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he just comes up out of the like
Speaker 2: the kitchen in a in a stupid coffee shop. It's
Speaker 2: like it's like it's very cartoonish in that regard.
Speaker 3: But he comes out and it's and it's he's behind
Speaker 3: I've got to pull the right now. He comes out
Speaker 3: and he's in the milk aisle of like a convenience store.
Speaker 2: Oh it's okay, okay, so.
Speaker 3: And then he grabs and this is another like one
Speaker 3: of the only scenes where somebody you know, consumes food.
Speaker 3: He steals. He opens up the milk and drinks the
Speaker 3: you know, the milk from the display there, and then
Speaker 3: he and he takes off.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's see we're progressing here. So he discovers
Speaker 2: oh yeah, this is where he gets the part where
Speaker 2: he calls his buddy and he's like, turns out the
Speaker 2: conspiracy theorist has been killed. And he goes and he
Speaker 2: looks at the conspiracy theorists surveillance cameras because he had
Speaker 2: them all set up, and the surveillance camera caught the
Speaker 2: owl this owl headed woman who shows up and supposedly,
Speaker 2: if she gives you a kiss, that means you're about
Speaker 2: to die. So he's assassinated basically by whoever's running shit.
Speaker 3: She kind looks like an Egyptian deity or something.
Speaker 2: Right, she looks like, yeah, exactly, an owl headed deity
Speaker 2: of some kind. And then uh so he starts getting
Speaker 2: friked out because he thinks, oh, you know, they're gonna
Speaker 2: know about me. He calls his buddy who's Who's a
Speaker 2: scene guy, one of the guys in the scene, and
Speaker 2: he's like, hey, can you get me in touch with
Speaker 2: the Seven Brides singer. He's like, I need to ask
Speaker 2: some questions. He's like, yeah, we're having We're having a
Speaker 2: chess party. Everybody's getting sucked up and playing chess, so
Speaker 2: come on over. So they go. They go to the
Speaker 2: the party, and everybody at this party is all the
Speaker 2: people he's been seeing the entire time throughout the movie.
Speaker 2: So it's all these hoes and thoughts from the rest
Speaker 2: of the movie. You're at this party. They're all playing chess,
Speaker 2: which is just to be ironic, and then he punches
Speaker 2: Dracula in the bathroom. We see the poop and he's like,
Speaker 2: who wrote your who wrote your song? He's like, I
Speaker 2: don't write my song. He's like it's just a company
Speaker 2: gives us those and they tell us what to do.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I think he says something like, I wrote
Speaker 3: some of the songs, but all the ones, not the hits,
Speaker 3: all the hits, they they just told me what's right,
Speaker 3: Like they told me, you know, they told me how
Speaker 3: to perform it. I don't I don't do nothing. I
Speaker 3: don't know nothing. And he's very he's very weak. And
Speaker 3: and you know this character, he's not like this powerful,
Speaker 3: you know, he's a fraud.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's basically just an actor, basically.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's portrayed on the the media in this film,
Speaker 3: he's portrayed as this like amazing esoteric, like badass like rattle,
Speaker 3: like so satanic and so sick. But he's just he's
Speaker 3: just a pussy.
Speaker 2: He's real a total weak whoosy. Yeah. So so Andrew
Speaker 2: Garfield says, all right. He hears something overhears something about
Speaker 2: these really really rich dudes that have like their own
Speaker 2: neighborhood where they have elite parties, and he asks the
Speaker 2: redheaded actress prostitute that he saw earlier. He invites her over.
Speaker 2: He sees her, ad calls, calls her, tells her to
Speaker 2: come over. She shows up and he's like, hey, take
Speaker 2: me to this elite neighborhood where you had these parties.
Speaker 2: I want to see who's running this shit. And she's
Speaker 2: like yeah, she's like you can go. You can go
Speaker 2: to every house except one house. There's one house you're
Speaker 2: not allowed to go to. So naturally that's the house
Speaker 2: he wants to go to. So he gets the hoes
Speaker 2: take him to this neighborhood. He finds this one house
Speaker 2: that's the one you can't go to, and he breaks
Speaker 2: in and he finds some old dude playing piano, writing songs,
Speaker 2: and there's every kind of guitar, all kinds of you know,
Speaker 2: lavish instruments everywhere, and he's like, what is this and
Speaker 2: basically spoiler alert, the rich guy says, oh, yeah, your
Speaker 2: entire pop culture going all the way back to fifties
Speaker 2: or sixties. He's like, I wrote all that. He's like,
Speaker 2: that's all me. He's like, you like Nirvana, I'm Nirvana,
Speaker 2: you like Britney Spear, you know whatever.
Speaker 3: He starts playing these songs at his piano, is just like,
Speaker 3: you think that's your You think these artists actually wrote this.
Speaker 3: This was all me, and.
Speaker 2: It was all created, and the stars are just the fronts.
Speaker 2: They're part of this machinery. They don't even write most
Speaker 2: of their songs. This guy writes most of the songs, right,
Speaker 2: This is essentially Dave mcgawan type research here. And he
Speaker 2: Andrew Garfield freaks out and takes a guitar and busts
Speaker 2: this old dude in the head.
Speaker 3: The guitar that he takes is Kurt Cobain's guitar too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he takes Kurt cobains guitar buss because he can't
Speaker 2: fathom that the pop culture that he idolizes, that he's
Speaker 2: controlled by the mind control is breaking down. So he
Speaker 2: just basically loses his shit. He can't he can't take it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, his whole reality is based on this pop culture
Speaker 3: consumption of these exactly.
Speaker 2: You know, the.
Speaker 3: Music, the foods, the partying, it's all the imagery. It's
Speaker 3: all pop cultured trash, you know. I mean, it's manufactured,
Speaker 3: just like fruity pebbles are manufactured, and.
Speaker 2: It's all synthetic. It's all it's essentially junk food for
Speaker 2: the mind, for the soul. The pop culture is the
Speaker 2: junk food that the junk food is to the body. Right,
Speaker 2: So he's realizing they're all hoes, they're all it's all scam,
Speaker 2: it's all a facaw, it's all front. I've decoded this,
Speaker 2: and he's like, he's like, there's something behind this. So
Speaker 2: he's going to track down the billionaires now. Now he's ready.
Speaker 2: He figures out that one of the chip no, I'm
Speaker 2: sorry forgot, there's a whole other level to the cipher.
Speaker 2: There's another layer of the cipher, which is the Zelda map,
Speaker 2: matches up to the map of the in the box
Speaker 2: of Cereal, and that map lays on top of the
Speaker 2: map of La which tells him where the billionaires are
Speaker 2: chilling in their huts and in their fallout shelters. So
Speaker 2: he decodes all this. He tracks down the last one
Speaker 2: of the last places he hasn't gone yet, which is
Speaker 2: some weird marking over by the Hollywood sign right across
Speaker 2: from it, and there's this hut. And he goes in
Speaker 2: this hut and there's a couple of the hose that
Speaker 2: he's seen before, and this old, you know, boomer age
Speaker 2: white dude in there with looking like a Jesus hippie
Speaker 2: type guy, and they have this really awkward, hilarious conversation
Speaker 2: that's very innocuous and very silly, and he's like, what
Speaker 2: are you doing. He's like, oh, we're preparing our tombs.
Speaker 2: It's like your tombs. He's like, yeah, we're going to ascend.
Speaker 2: And he's like, what do you mean. He's like, uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: we don't believe in heaven and all that stuff we
Speaker 2: believe in, you know, like Egyptian religion, like pharaohs. We're
Speaker 2: gonna ascend and go to another realm away from this
Speaker 2: crazy world. We've already had all the pleasures and fun
Speaker 2: that we could h so we're going to entomb ourselves
Speaker 2: in these fallout shelters, surround ourselves by concrete so we
Speaker 2: can't get out, and we're going to die with our
Speaker 2: three or four beautiful bribes. So he can't believe this,
Speaker 2: and he's like, can I talk to you know the
Speaker 2: chick that I liked from the beginning of the movie.
Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah, she's in another one of the shelters.
Speaker 2: Let me pull her up on the skype, right. So
Speaker 2: they pull her up and she's like, Hey, did you
Speaker 2: get a new puppy dog? And he's like, are you're
Speaker 2: gonna die? And she's like do you think I'm the
Speaker 2: right decision? And the other billionaires like, hey, hey, don't
Speaker 2: upset her. She's enjoying herself. So it's all very just blase,
Speaker 2: a very apathetic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, life death like whatever, dude.
Speaker 2: Everything is apathetic, right, nothing matters. And even the billionaire
Speaker 2: elite who believe in this cult. And what's funny is
Speaker 2: that the wives they all buy into like the new age,
Speaker 2: basic bitch bullshit, right, that they're going, I'm gonna ascend
Speaker 2: through you know, meditation and consciousness and all this nuts.
Speaker 2: And the billionaires are a little more you know, maybe
Speaker 2: this guy believes that. Maybe the other ones don't. They're
Speaker 2: a little more cynical. Maybe they just see it as
Speaker 2: a way to you know, a thousand years from now,
Speaker 2: who's going to know who anybody was outside of you know,
Speaker 2: the tomb? Right? If you look back at ancient the
Speaker 2: ancient world, who do we know? Well, we know about
Speaker 2: pharaohs because they had giant pyramids and tombs, right, Or
Speaker 2: maybe there's a transhumanist ollment to where they think they're
Speaker 2: going to be, you know, resurrected or something like that.
Speaker 3: The millionaires they're not, like, they're not super old guys
Speaker 3: the killers. So they're kind of like just past their prime, right,
Speaker 3: they're like maybe in their fifties or something, maybe late
Speaker 3: fifties max. So they're just you know, they're so they're
Speaker 3: so worn out all their sensory perceptions so much with
Speaker 3: all the sax.
Speaker 2: Drugs, rock and rold that all the pleasures.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they don't they don't want to live anymore.
Speaker 3: Like there's no that maybe they don't get the same
Speaker 3: pleasure out of their their bo.
Speaker 2: Since they could control everything else, the last thing that
Speaker 2: they wanted to control was when they would die, so
Speaker 2: that they would be subject to somebody else determining when
Speaker 2: they die. They're going to decide when they die. They're
Speaker 2: going to determine the manner in which they die. So
Speaker 2: it's a final kind of act of rebellion from their perspective,
Speaker 2: in this kind of satanic way. But so the interesting
Speaker 2: part of that is that you know, all throughout he
Speaker 2: has noticed that all of the synchronicities are real, the
Speaker 2: conspiracies are real. It applies to pop culture. It's a controlled,
Speaker 2: top down system. You don't rise in it unless you're
Speaker 2: compromised in a whore and all this stuff. But the
Speaker 2: message of it seems to be when Andrew Garfield gets
Speaker 2: back and the reality of this world hits him, he realizes,
Speaker 2: I can't even pay my rent, my car got possessed, repossessed,
Speaker 2: He's like, what's the point? Basically, And so the weird
Speaker 2: ending of this is this sort of millennial nihilism, this
Speaker 2: hedonism of just, you know what, I should just move
Speaker 2: in with the hippie chick that I was spying on
Speaker 2: the beginning, you know, the hippie boomer chick. Whether her
Speaker 2: booby's out, I just move in with her. That's almost like,
Speaker 2: in other words, it's like, Okay, so all of this
Speaker 2: conspiracy stuff is all true. It's very true. It's all
Speaker 2: run by very wealthy, elite people. But so what what's
Speaker 2: the point? Man? I mean, I'm not saying that the
Speaker 2: movie is totally nihilistic, but it's almost like it's asking
Speaker 2: that question, Well, what is the point. No one's going
Speaker 2: to believe this, nobody's going to go down the rabbit
Speaker 2: hole that far. It's too crazy. Yeah, so it's all
Speaker 2: a bunch of hoes and thoughts.
Speaker 3: He talks to that to the King of the Bums
Speaker 3: at the end, too, right, doesn't the King of the
Speaker 3: Bums kind of release it from them, and he tells them,
Speaker 3: don't tell anybody about this, or I'll kill you basically
Speaker 3: or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So he's like, okay, yeah, you figured it all out.
Speaker 2: We should kill you, but we're gonna let you go
Speaker 2: and just keep your mouth shut.
Speaker 3: And and then he finished, and then he goes home,
Speaker 3: and then he suddenly, uh decides that he wants to
Speaker 3: go back and uh and go reconcile his whole life
Speaker 3: by moving in and sleeping with this old boomer who
Speaker 3: keeps birds and cages all around her house.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, so I guess this is the point where
Speaker 2: it's it's somewhat debatable. Is the message of the movie,
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, it's all real, just give up on it.
Speaker 2: Or is the message of the movie don't even worry
Speaker 2: about all this conspiracy nonsense. There's no point in getting
Speaker 2: into it. It's just going to drive you nuts. Uh. Just
Speaker 2: you know, enjoy, enjoy the laugh the life that you have,
Speaker 2: and don't try. It's almost like, don't try to go
Speaker 2: after understanding other elite classes. You're never going to understand it.
Speaker 2: If you If you've read the there's a famous book
Speaker 2: called the megas that I referenced a lot in my
Speaker 2: book and the Major Megas. The Major is a similar story.
Speaker 2: It's a famous literary work by John Fowls, and it's
Speaker 2: basically about some guy who's like, you know, this nihilistic
Speaker 2: twenty five year old Oxford grad who's just kind of
Speaker 2: sleeping around, partying his way, drugging his way through Europe,
Speaker 2: and he ends up on this island off of Greece
Speaker 2: called Fraxos, made up island, and it's owned by this
Speaker 2: Greek billionaire who's this very entuned esotericist occultists and psychologists,
Speaker 2: and what the billionaire likes to do is set up
Speaker 2: scenarios with actors, crisis actors, basically just to test how
Speaker 2: this nihilistic guy reacts. So he's he puts them through
Speaker 2: all kinds of very bizarre scenarios just to mess with
Speaker 2: the dude. And I won't spoil the novel, but essentially
Speaker 2: at the end of the of the novel it does
Speaker 2: reference him as a member of the Illuminati. Okay, so
Speaker 2: this Greek billionaire who's in the Illuminati is basically just
Speaker 2: studying the effects of his phenomenon this on this nihilistic
Speaker 2: you know, twenty four year old.
Speaker 3: That's similar theme.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the end of the book is basically, what's it?
Speaker 2: What was the point? What were you trying to do by?
Speaker 2: Because because the guy gets baited into going down the
Speaker 2: rabbit hole, he's like, I'm gonna figure this guy out.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna expose him. I'm gonna see what this is
Speaker 2: all about. And then you know, at the end of
Speaker 2: the thing, it's like you don't even understand that class,
Speaker 2: Like you're not in his class of elite. The same
Speaker 2: thing that Bill Harford eyes white shut right, like I
Speaker 2: thought I was at the top of the total pool.
Speaker 2: I thought I was the ship man. Yeah, same idea, Right,
Speaker 2: I'm the ship Like I'm the fucking coolest motherfucker around here,
Speaker 2: Like you know, I don't give a shit about anything.
Speaker 2: And then he goes down the rabbit hole and he
Speaker 2: realizes he's not at the top of the totem pole.
Speaker 2: There's people way above him, way more powerful, way more intelligent,
Speaker 2: and it's almost like, man, what was the point? So
Speaker 2: what do you think of the what do you think
Speaker 2: the point of the movie is?
Speaker 3: Well, all right, so the ending of the movie I'm
Speaker 3: not so clear about, but I basically you know, pop
Speaker 3: culture as a initiate, an initiation for an entire generation
Speaker 3: and for the youth, and for basically everybody, into a
Speaker 3: mystery religion, into a specific worldview, into seeing the world
Speaker 3: a certain way, consuming your life in a certain way,
Speaker 3: and thus just being consumed in this big machinery of
Speaker 3: pop culture and becoming a you know, a piece of
Speaker 3: of this you know, silly kind of basically nihilistic realm.
Speaker 3: And I don't know what to make of the end.
Speaker 3: There's you know, there's something with the generational divide, right,
Speaker 3: you know, it starts with him talking on the phone
Speaker 3: with his mom, uh, staring at this lady through the binoculars,
Speaker 3: and she's you know, she's like the she's like one
Speaker 3: of those yoga chicks, like those new agey like sex
Speaker 3: magic type people who are just so husely liberated, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, lots of these boomer hippies kind of haunt
Speaker 3: the town I live in, so I'm really familiar with
Speaker 3: this type of energy, really into yoga and you know,
Speaker 3: Joseph Campbell stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So it's basically I spoke, Yeah, I've spoken to Banker
Speaker 2: Canyon and the whole essentially the whole audience was this, well.
Speaker 3: Right, topless sixty year old women, who are you know,
Speaker 3: sleeping in a polyamorous relationship with some twenty five year
Speaker 3: old dude probably you know, there's this is it's weird,
Speaker 3: like there there is a world of this type of
Speaker 3: uh stuff. And I don't know what to make of
Speaker 3: the ending. So it's something to do with his mother,
Speaker 3: the generational divide.
Speaker 2: How I forget about the mother stuff. That's a good point, yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, perhaps, how like the boomers were initiated in this
Speaker 3: very same way with the sex, drugs and this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're the sixties counterculture right right.
Speaker 3: And I see it as like the millennial and the
Speaker 3: boomer copulating in the end of the film, basically just
Speaker 3: you know, the ultimate kind of really gross and not
Speaker 3: very pleasant to even think about reality of what pop
Speaker 3: culture has done to everybody.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, because the old guy who creates all the music,
Speaker 2: he is essentially he also says all your sixties revolution music.
Speaker 2: He says, I created all that exactly. He says, I
Speaker 2: gave you a revolution. That's why it's the boomers exactly.
Speaker 2: That's a good point. So it's basically boomer age to
Speaker 2: now he's like that was all completely created from the
Speaker 2: top down. And that's essentially Dave Mcowan's book, where it's
Speaker 2: inside the canyon. That's the whole point of the book.
Speaker 3: I would wonder. I'm sure that whoever directed this and
Speaker 3: wrote it read those books. He had to have, you know,
Speaker 3: very familiar obviously with the culture of what people are
Speaker 3: saying about pop culture. But I guess the last scene
Speaker 3: is him he goes out to the balcony and he's
Speaker 3: in that Boomer's house. They're the boomers apartment, which is
Speaker 3: in the same apartment complex as him, right, so him
Speaker 3: I just right across. Yeah, yeah, So they're in this
Speaker 3: same curated environment that they don't own, right, you don't
Speaker 3: own your apartment, you live in an apartment building. And
Speaker 3: he's smoking a cigarette around these birds in the cages
Speaker 3: and he's watching the I guess it's like the cops
Speaker 3: or something. No, it's the apartment. The guy who owns
Speaker 3: the apartment looking at the weird symbol on the wall
Speaker 3: and trying to figure out, well, where did this kid go?
Speaker 3: He owes me rent or he owes me money or
Speaker 3: some shit. And Andrew Garfield's kind of looking at him
Speaker 3: really like creepy, stoned, demonic gaze, and then I think,
Speaker 3: I think it rolls rolls the credits.
Speaker 2: After that, I was trying to remember, Yeah, this is
Speaker 2: the guy who did It Follows, which is a pretty
Speaker 2: good horror movie. If you saw that, David Robert Mitchell,
Speaker 2: It It Follows was pretty good. It's pretty creepy, and
Speaker 2: the idea there was similar to this in the sense
Speaker 2: of the millennial age people living hedonistically and are there
Speaker 2: consequences for that? And then if you know, it's like
Speaker 2: the urban myth of something coming after you, you know,
Speaker 2: like it's going to get you, that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: But and I have I've watched It Follows a few
Speaker 2: times and there's a bunch of references to Dusty esque
Speaker 2: in it. So I'm not exactly sure what I think
Speaker 2: the reference to Dostievsky means. But it's a pretty good
Speaker 2: horror movie if you like independent not. It's not gory,
Speaker 2: it's just creepy. Yeah, he's definitely referencing, you know, literary
Speaker 2: works Dostoevsky. Here, he's in you know this one. He's
Speaker 2: referencing a lot of David Lynch. And by the way,
Speaker 2: I had actually messaged the chick that's in it follows.
Speaker 2: We had a few messages on Facebook. I was trying
Speaker 2: to get her to come on to an interview, and
Speaker 2: I thought she was gonna do it, but she ended
Speaker 2: up backing out. But I would that would have been
Speaker 2: interesting because because I've only had one actress ever come
Speaker 2: on Jays Analysis, they're always too I guess too scared
Speaker 2: it's gonna damage their career. But it would be funny
Speaker 2: to get the vantage point of somebody who's you know
Speaker 2: in the film, to see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, what'd you think about the movie? Overall? Do you?
Speaker 3: Did you enjoy it? I mean, it's kind of long.
Speaker 3: I think it was a little lengthy.
Speaker 2: It is long. That doesn't bother me. I enjoyed the
Speaker 2: use of symbolism, the use of satire. It's very comedic.
Speaker 2: It's funny in a lot of places. Overall, it's a
Speaker 2: great critique of, as you said, all the nihilism, the hedonism, consumerism,
Speaker 2: the video game vantage point of the millennial generation.
Speaker 3: Four, like total detachment from yourself.
Speaker 2: Synthetic reality. What exactly the ending means is up for debate.
Speaker 2: I'm not sold that my interpretation was right. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure because I didn't even think about the boomer the
Speaker 2: age gap stuff. And it's not just the age guy,
Speaker 2: it's also class Like he's he's trying to because we
Speaker 2: forgot about the billionaire's daughter. Like he's trying to step
Speaker 2: into the world of the billionaires. And he he has
Speaker 2: this date night with the billionaire daughter. They go swim pool,
Speaker 2: she's topless. He thinks he's going to get some and uh,
Speaker 2: sheet ends up getting shot. Right, So he's like realizing
Speaker 2: there's bigger players at work than him. You know, do
Speaker 2: I really want to be in that world? You know?
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think the apartment it's kind of interesting, right,
Speaker 3: So it's the building that you don't own, and him
Speaker 3: and this the old boomer hippie lady, they both live
Speaker 3: in it, but separately, and eventually through the process of
Speaker 3: the movie they come together and they basically are living
Speaker 3: in the same place. He can't afford rent, so he's
Speaker 3: over there in the boomer's place where she's got all
Speaker 3: these birds in cages. And so yeah, I mean, it's
Speaker 3: definitely social engineering, and there's a lot of themes in it.
Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of these directors sometimes they
Speaker 3: don't even understand why they put certain things in it, right,
Speaker 3: it's like, well that that feels mysterious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if you saw Neon Demon. I
Speaker 2: felt that way about Neon Demon. It's talking a lot
Speaker 2: about Hollywood being this machine that eats people up and
Speaker 2: spit them out, and it's got witches in there and
Speaker 2: they're doing rituals. And then you know that if you'd
Speaker 2: spoiler alert, the chick the model gets killed at the
Speaker 2: end and basically eating oh, and you're just like, what
Speaker 2: what does this mean? Well, you know, it's all nihilistic
Speaker 2: and they're laughing at the end, so it's kind of like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's all a big joke. And like you said, like
Speaker 2: he's got all this stuff in there that's significant, but
Speaker 2: what does he even know what it means? Know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course video game culture was really big in this.
Speaker 3: You know, the food was all you know, uh, the
Speaker 3: imagery on the box of cereal. Yeah, right, like the
Speaker 3: foods they eat and stuff. It's just somebody shows up.
Speaker 3: His girlfriend shows up in the beginning, or not his girlfriend,
Speaker 3: but some chick who's he you know, they they use
Speaker 3: each other to masturbate. She comes over and she brings
Speaker 3: sushi and then she's like all play smells and they
Speaker 3: eat sushi and then eats like saltine crackers, and then
Speaker 3: basically beer and cigarettes. For the rest of the movie.
Speaker 2: It's like they consume a cookie. Yeah, it's all John.
Speaker 3: Oh, and then a cookie that sends him on this
Speaker 3: psychedelic journey too, sugar cookie.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it's just kind of Alice in Wonderland too.
Speaker 2: I didn't even think that's Alice in Wonderland.
Speaker 3: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: And it was.
Speaker 3: That scene was very similar to Eyes Wide Shut too,
Speaker 3: when he walks in and they use a similar camera
Speaker 3: angle walking behind him, just like Bill Hartford. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it. I thought it was pretty good. I think, uh,
Speaker 3: I mean it was. It was kind of long. I
Speaker 3: was tired when I when I watched it, but then
Speaker 3: when I looked through it and scrolled through it later on,
Speaker 3: I thought it was you know, it was pretty well
Speaker 3: put together, entertaining Andrew.
Speaker 2: The most important takeaway was the pretty clear revelation that
Speaker 2: you know, the pop culture is manufactured.
Speaker 3: That was the best scene. The best scene was the
Speaker 3: old man telling him, look, your whole reality is false.
Speaker 3: And I wrote all these songs and none of these
Speaker 3: are real stars. I like that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, before we do Spring Rekers, I gotta take a
Speaker 2: p break before.
Speaker 3: It, man, I'll read some super chats here. Let's see here,
Speaker 3: all right, Nick Jones?
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 3: Nick Jones? That was at the very beginning of the stream,
Speaker 3: He says, thanks both of you, hands down my two
Speaker 3: favorite channels on YouTube. Love the book, Jay, Thanks right on, Nick.
Speaker 3: Did you get the second book too? I haven't got
Speaker 3: Jay's second book yet. My brother, he's flying out here.
Speaker 3: I sent it to him. He's gonna bring it with him.
Speaker 3: So I'm looking forward to reading Jay's next book, second book,
Speaker 3: Esoteric Hollywood two. You know his website. Jay's website, by
Speaker 3: the way, one of one of my favorite sites, one
Speaker 3: of the very few sites that I actually pay for,
Speaker 3: you know, subscription to. He does lots of theology lectures
Speaker 3: and he's got such a wealth of of like just
Speaker 3: such a huge back catalog of essays on everything from
Speaker 3: historygio politics, theology. I think the theology section is a
Speaker 3: real gem of his website too. And of course you
Speaker 3: know esoteric analysis of films and whatnot. So check out
Speaker 3: his website, guys. In memory of John Mordaunt says, my
Speaker 3: boy has less SPD symptoms with real food. Thanks for
Speaker 3: all you do right on, Thanks a lot, you're a
Speaker 3: regular viewer, you're always jumping in here. Bob Monk, he
Speaker 3: sent some money, but he's not even asking anything right
Speaker 3: on infinite micro second. I'll ask that question when Jay
Speaker 3: gets back. Thanks for the super chatman sending ten bucks.
Speaker 3: Door Man says, thanks for the stream, guys showing some love,
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Speaker 3: and hashtag beard Man bad. Well, thank you, my friend.
Speaker 3: I agree. Hashtag bald Man bad, hashtag beard Man bad.
Speaker 3: Now let's see here. Tyler Sudden says, two of my
Speaker 3: favorite YouTube personalities. Be sure to share with Jessica. I
Speaker 3: appreciate her answering my emails. I would like Jay to
Speaker 3: do more on his channel about the Jordan Peterson phenomenon.
Speaker 3: I'll let Jay know you said that when he gets back.
Speaker 3: And then Sergey Lux sends five bucks without any without
Speaker 3: saying anything. Thanks a lot, man, get this mosquito flying
Speaker 3: in my face? Las Vegas Carnivar, what's Alex Carnivore? Tyler
Speaker 3: Tumblebear metal slug seventeen bunch of people in the chat today.
Speaker 3: Let's see what's going on. I got a much smaller
Speaker 3: audience than usual. We're doing a fun little stream today,
Speaker 3: no clickmake titles. We're just doing some film analysis and
Speaker 3: having fun talking about some some funny millennial movies, some
Speaker 3: funny millennial movies. Mike's in the chat. What's up man.
Speaker 2: Se? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Next, we're gonna talk about spring Breakers. Spring Breakers, which
Speaker 3: is actually a very It's like a horrific movie. Spring
Speaker 3: Breakers is a horror film. Also probably one of the
Speaker 3: more haunting films that I've seen over the last decade.
Speaker 3: I don't know why, but for some reason, spring Breakers
Speaker 3: really like disturbed me watching this film. It was just
Speaker 3: there was something about it, something about the aesthetic of it,
Speaker 3: something about how this movie was made, how this film
Speaker 3: was made, that is just really haunting. And it is
Speaker 3: so it's so reflective of the millennials pop culture curated world.
Speaker 3: Jay's back, what's up, Jay?
Speaker 2: Hey?
Speaker 3: We had one super chat from somebody asking is yoga
Speaker 3: acceptable an Orthodox Christianity? So is yoga cool with Eastern Orthodoxy?
Speaker 3: What is his stance on yoga?
Speaker 2: No, traditional yoga involves you know, Hindu practice in you know, Kundalini.
Speaker 2: Opening of the Serpent Power Force in the spine. You know,
Speaker 2: Crowley was a big proponent of blending yoga with Western
Speaker 2: daunt So it's intentionally done to invoke deities, now, pilate, stretching,
Speaker 2: anything like that. Obviously, no, not that's fine, but yoga itself, No,
Speaker 2: it would not be compatible with Christianity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny how popular yoga became. It It really
Speaker 3: got big in the US after the sixties when you
Speaker 3: had the huge Kraalley and push.
Speaker 2: And and the Beatles pushed it right U.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so who brought who really popularized yoga in the West.
Speaker 3: Was It almost seems like Crowley was the guy who
Speaker 3: really brought it out in the West.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you can make that case. I mean,
Speaker 2: the Chicago World Fare of Religions in the eighteen nineties
Speaker 2: featured this the first yogi trying to introduce the idea
Speaker 2: to the West. And what that was was kind of
Speaker 2: the pioneer ecumenical service. It was how do we get
Speaker 2: all the religions together in the West, And it was
Speaker 2: just a form of social engineering. It was being promoted
Speaker 2: by the elites. After the eighteen nineties into the twentieth century,
Speaker 2: you had a swami Vivica or a Sri I forget,
Speaker 2: I get all these I think it was vivid, yeah, Vivicananda.
Speaker 2: And then there's another guy who's they started also simultaneously
Speaker 2: pushing the New Thought movement and that turned into Positive thinking,
Speaker 2: and all those forces coalesced in the New Age movement
Speaker 2: with the Esslin Institute and all that, and so there's
Speaker 2: always been big money behind that that.
Speaker 3: So it's like actually moving your body, you know, stretching
Speaker 3: out your legs or you know, even it seems like
Speaker 3: that that maybe isn't so bad, but when you connect
Speaker 3: it with all these other ideas and the you know,
Speaker 3: the the pronic breathing, breathe the prana into your body
Speaker 3: and all this stuff, and it definitely gets pretty deep
Speaker 3: into some Hindu stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, you're supposed to you're supposed to put your body
Speaker 2: into It's kind of like the way Hindus do the
Speaker 2: ritual dancing. You're putting your body into the god forms.
Speaker 2: These are god forms that are intended to invoke the
Speaker 2: energy of that of that God. And so ultimately no,
Speaker 2: that would be that would be demonic because the purpose
Speaker 2: of all the Eastern meditation, which is pretty ridiculous, is
Speaker 2: to annihilate the ego to annihilate the self. I mean,
Speaker 2: God didn't create you as an individual person to annihilate
Speaker 2: the you. Right, You're not supposed to annihilate the you
Speaker 2: and and dissolve into the oneness of all being in nirvana.
Speaker 2: That's not why you were created. So ultimately, all the
Speaker 2: Far Eastern religions are Satanic at root. There you go.
Speaker 3: It's a pretty in depth answer, are there Somebody said
Speaker 3: he wants to see more Jordan Peterson stuff on your
Speaker 3: YouTube channel. Tyler Saiden says Jay's got to do more
Speaker 3: on Jordan Peterson on his YouTube channel. I would say,
Speaker 3: as far from what I've heard Jay talk about the
Speaker 3: Jordan Peterson phenomenon, he's kind of said what needed to
Speaker 3: be said.
Speaker 2: I don't know how many times do you have to critique,
Speaker 2: you know, all young and evolution and you know's there's
Speaker 2: not much there there. It's pretty pretty shallow, thin stuff
Speaker 2: coming out of Jordan Peterson.
Speaker 3: If you look at Jay's website when you have so
Speaker 3: much stuff on critiquing classical liberalism, critiquing you know, the
Speaker 3: liberal imperium. So yeah, maybe if you guys sign up
Speaker 3: for his members section, which is really cheap, is it
Speaker 3: sixty bucks for the year.
Speaker 2: Still it is five a month if you want to
Speaker 2: do it monthly and growing archive, but there's about three
Speaker 2: years worth of backed up archive material back there. Lectures
Speaker 2: on Plato, lectures on Tragi and Hope, globalless books, all
Speaker 2: kinds of stuff there.
Speaker 3: What would you say it would be like a good
Speaker 3: avenue of research, even going through your website for some
Speaker 3: people who are interested in deeper stuff. What kind of
Speaker 3: keywords would they be looking at and what type of
Speaker 3: you know, what aspects of philosophy and history would they
Speaker 3: want to look at if they want to see what
Speaker 3: your views or expand on, you know, maybe the critique
Speaker 3: that you've put out there on Jordan Peterson's philosophy and
Speaker 3: his ideas.
Speaker 2: But particularly on Jordan Peterson. I would say the thirty
Speaker 2: forty minute video that I did, that's a critique of him.
Speaker 2: That's a two parter that's had about twenty five thousand views.
Speaker 2: That's probably the best one. Which is funny because when
Speaker 2: I did that video, the likes to dislikes were about equal.
Speaker 2: It was like, I don't know, two hundred likes two
Speaker 2: hundred dislikes, And in the last year since I did
Speaker 2: that video. A lot of my critiques have been vindicated.
Speaker 2: A lot of people have abandoned the Peterson colt. They've
Speaker 2: realized that, you know, he started cucking pretty hard. He
Speaker 2: came out against men, you know, came out against individualism.
Speaker 2: He's supposed to be this great individualist and saying all
Speaker 2: these really contradictory things, and so people started, you know,
Speaker 2: I think, realizing that he's not all he was cracked
Speaker 2: up to be. Oh, it turns out he's invited to
Speaker 2: the Trilateral Commission, he's speaking there. You know, he's obviously
Speaker 2: an establishment creation. Box Day did a whole bunch of
Speaker 2: critiques of him. So now the likes to dislike ratio
Speaker 2: is like seven hundred to one hundred and fifty. So
Speaker 2: it's evened out, I would say, public opinion. I think
Speaker 2: it's there's still a lot annoying.
Speaker 3: You were one of the first people who actually critiqued
Speaker 3: Peterson's philosophy, right, I mean everybody was so enamored.
Speaker 2: Everybody so mad. Yeah, I had a critique, and then
Speaker 2: right around the same time, box to Day started critiquing him,
Speaker 2: and then I think Owen Benjamin critiqued him after that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, he's gotten more and more critiques. But but
Speaker 2: so I would say that video and then Tim Kelly
Speaker 2: and I have done two talks where I critique the
Speaker 2: Petersonian worldview, and he's come up in other shows too.
Speaker 2: I can't I'm off the top of my head.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, said, he seems like a guy who's
Speaker 3: you know, he's like a he's a boomer, he's an academic.
Speaker 3: It's it's probably very hard in that situation to see
Speaker 3: outside of that box at all to ever critique the
Speaker 3: roots of classical liberalism or Darwinism marks they're not Mars,
Speaker 3: but uh uh Young.
Speaker 2: Carl Young's gnocissism. Yeah, I mean Jordan Peters is essentially
Speaker 2: just a modern day gnostic, modern day originist, modern day
Speaker 2: catch all. It's like a it's like a cross between
Speaker 2: Tony Robbins and and you know, I mean box Day
Speaker 2: had a good point about his uh rules for for life,
Speaker 2: the Jordan Pearson Rules for Life, and they're all about
Speaker 2: you getting ahead, don't worry about associating with people that
Speaker 2: don't advance your personal you know, uh name brand, and
Speaker 2: it's it's just just marketing bullshit.
Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, Tyler Sudden says, I'm going to send a
Speaker 3: local Serbian Orthodox church to get a feel for it.
Speaker 3: That's awesome, man. Good, So you're you're lucky and you're
Speaker 3: blessed because I've got a sixteen hour drive and it's
Speaker 3: not even an Orthodox church. It's just like a small
Speaker 3: Orthodox congregation that they don't even have a church building.
Speaker 2: We're a sixteen hour drive from you.
Speaker 3: Sixteen hour drive. Yeah, but I'm gonna I'll get up
Speaker 3: there soon. It's still worth it to me. But wow, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's uh, we're in Catholic land down here.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: Now we got the Pope. We got the Pope talking
Speaker 3: about got to get ridiations and.
Speaker 2: Get read of your borders, have globalism. It's so great.
Speaker 3: Oh man, Yeah, we're kind of we're kind of you know,
Speaker 3: you think when you're we thought we were when we
Speaker 3: came down to Latin America that we maybe get a
Speaker 3: couple of generations until it all came full flood. But
Speaker 3: then the cell phones came and the smartphone came out.
Speaker 2: Cell phones change everything. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now yeah they started. Now they're trying to bring abortion
Speaker 3: in the Ecuador.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Really yeah, Well it's you know, slowly, they have to
Speaker 3: bring it in slowly, so it's.
Speaker 6: Like, oh, well, what if a lady gets raped, you
Speaker 6: got to get the abortions.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's good. But yeah, they the Ecuadorians are still
Speaker 3: very much against it. But hey, you know, I mean
Speaker 3: it's they're trying.
Speaker 2: They're going to do social engineering to try to you.
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, ten years probably match change opinion.
Speaker 2: Within ten years.
Speaker 3: Abortion will be the right of passage for all women
Speaker 3: in ten years. And it's sad. I hope not, you know,
Speaker 3: God forbid, I hope not. And uh, you know, maybe
Speaker 3: maybe a lot of these people end up leaving the
Speaker 3: Catholic Church with the current pope. I you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: I got no problem with Catholics. I live in a
Speaker 3: Catholic country. A lot of good things about what Catholicism
Speaker 3: has done to maintain family unit, to keep some forms
Speaker 3: of degeneracy out of Latin America. But you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: with what this pope is saying, it's getting pretty alarming.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is sad. I mean, I think he's going
Speaker 2: to be, you know, it's going to be more and
Speaker 2: more evident that he's a definitely a tool of the globalists,
Speaker 2: and Roman Catholic Church has unfortunately been on that track,
Speaker 2: that path or you know, many many decades at least
Speaker 2: sin Vatican too, and for that as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, well even yeah, when you look back further,
Speaker 3: it seems there were a lot of things that were
Speaker 3: just not quite right. Well, the whole pope Ism things
Speaker 3: always been weird. But anyways, that's uh, that's cool.
Speaker 6: Let's let's uh, we got through all the super chats.
Speaker 3: There a few other interesting questions, but it's kind of
Speaker 3: off topic. So got a lively chat today, got no
Speaker 3: trolls today too. I got a band list. I've got
Speaker 3: a miles long bad list on this.
Speaker 2: Channe Yeah, me too. I have no patience for any
Speaker 2: of that stuff.
Speaker 3: It's like, look, you're gonna derail the chat and turn
Speaker 3: it into something like it gets so annoying you cut,
Speaker 3: you pop into the chat and suddenly everybody's talking about
Speaker 3: flat Earth. You're like, dude, I have no problem with
Speaker 3: you people believing in flat earth. It's all good question everything,
Speaker 3: but please don't come and debate it in my chat.
Speaker 3: We're talking about nothing to do with it.
Speaker 2: Sorry, about something totally different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we got a good chat going on now,
Speaker 3: But yeah, what do you think about spring Breakers? Harmony career?
Speaker 2: It wasn't what I expected. You know. I remember when
Speaker 2: the movie came out, and I wasn't intentionally avoiding it.
Speaker 2: I just happened to miss it at the time. I've
Speaker 2: seen other Harmony Kren films, you know. I remember when
Speaker 2: I was in high school. I think my senior year
Speaker 2: is when Kids came out. Kids had a pretty big impact,
Speaker 2: and it was controversial at the time because it was
Speaker 2: a Disney film people. I think it was Merri Max
Speaker 2: maybe or one of the Disney subsidiaries did Kids, and
Speaker 2: it was, you know, pretty brutal. And you know, it's
Speaker 2: about AIDS, try to transmitting AIDS amongst my generation gen
Speaker 2: X and you know, nihilistic partying gen xers back then.
Speaker 2: Spring Breakers is his treatment of millennials, right, So again
Speaker 2: we have this theme of the mindless millennials, totally hedonistic,
Speaker 2: totally wild, savage and the thoughts. I mean, this is
Speaker 2: about heartless millennial thoughts. Yeah, and I liked your point
Speaker 2: that it's a horror movie. You know, I didn't think that.
Speaker 2: I thought this was a goofy sound, tire, silly thing
Speaker 2: from the trailer. Now, when when I started watching, I
Speaker 2: was like, this is a gangster movie and then I
Speaker 2: realized it's more of like a horror movie.
Speaker 3: It's really horrific, right, and and you know, even when
Speaker 3: it starts out, So it starts out the first scene,
Speaker 3: first of all, it starts out with just saying spring Breakers.
Speaker 3: It's got these glittery like you know, really pretty pink
Speaker 3: and blue, and the colors so neon and pastel, and
Speaker 3: it starts out with just kids dancing and like an
Speaker 3: MTV style it is.
Speaker 2: It's very nine late nineties, mid two thousand, early two
Speaker 2: thousands MTV when they would broadcast spring Break exactly.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep. So they start the kids are dancing around.
Speaker 3: Let's see, I've got I've got some screenshots pulled up here.
Speaker 3: There's beer bongs and they're pouring beer all over each other,
Speaker 3: and it's just really it's really gross, like it's very
Speaker 3: off putting, it's very disgusting. It's kind of sad to watch.
Speaker 3: And it's got this like scrill X song, like dude,
Speaker 3: this industrial sounding music, and then it shows the first
Speaker 3: shot of somebody actually consuming. It's just they're they're drinking beer,
Speaker 3: they're pouring beer all over each other.
Speaker 2: It's just debauchery. Yeah, it's like total debauchery.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's really gross. So then and then there's
Speaker 3: this chick and she's sucking on a red, white and
Speaker 3: blue popsicle, right like that's the American the colors of
Speaker 3: the American flag, and it's sucking. That's what they are.
Speaker 3: So that food, that thing shows up like three times
Speaker 3: in the movie, or at least two times, one of
Speaker 3: the few foods they eat in the movie. And they're pouring.
Speaker 3: The guys are like standing around fake pissing beer into
Speaker 3: girl's mouths. So there's been a line of women or
Speaker 3: young girls and they're naked, topless and they're going like this,
Speaker 3: and the dudes are acting like they're peeing the beer
Speaker 3: into their mouth. So it's just this really gross representation
Speaker 3: of you know, bodily fluids and just consuming poisons and
Speaker 3: really destructive behavior and hyper sexualized behavior. And then it
Speaker 3: cuts and it's got this the audio in the background
Speaker 3: or the it's got this dialogue from like a preacher
Speaker 3: right this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this this idiot boomer evangelical preacher wearing ed Hardy gear.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, he's got like ed Hardy and like an
Speaker 3: affliction T shirt, you know, tattoos and chains and stuff
Speaker 3: and he's he says, we're gonna talk about temptation.
Speaker 2: Uh, we're gonna talk about temptation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna talk about Satan. And right when he
Speaker 3: says we're gonna talk about Satan, it cuts to this
Speaker 3: girl smoking a bong and it's you know, there's red
Speaker 3: lit dorm room, totally weird uh set up, and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: everybody's high. Everybody they're watching, Uh, they're watching Are they're
Speaker 3: watching the Bronies? Is it like a Bernie's reference? They're
Speaker 3: watching My Little Pony?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're watching My Little Pony exactly.
Speaker 3: And then the girl that shows, Vanessa Hudgens, is like
Speaker 3: a do you know about her? Is she a Disney chick?
Speaker 2: Well, she's a Disney chick. Selena Gomez I think was
Speaker 2: Disney chick too. And the reason that's relevance because, like
Speaker 2: I said, kids Harmony Crinn that that was a Disney movie. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's almost like Disney is telling us, did you
Speaker 2: ever see that weird movie Escape from tomorrow Land?
Speaker 3: No? Is that a Disney movie? An actual Disney movie?
Speaker 2: Well no, but it's hard to see how it couldn't be,
Speaker 2: because supposedly they snuck into Disneyland to film an entire movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, I don't buy that. So, but Escape from
Speaker 2: tomorrow Land is about basically the dark side of Disney.
Speaker 2: I mean, it deserves its own whole video because it's
Speaker 2: pretty deep. But it's kind of the same thing with
Speaker 2: Harmony Krin in the sense that I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: think he works for Disney, but I'm saying, you've got
Speaker 2: these two Disney princesses here, right, who are essentially portraying
Speaker 2: that Madonna horror complex. And even the Selena Gomez character,
Speaker 2: who's this this naive, sort of simple evangelical check who
Speaker 2: is tempted to go down with these hose from her
Speaker 2: small town to spring Break, like spring Break is supposed
Speaker 2: to be, you know, this immortality state, this etern It's
Speaker 2: almost like they treat it like Heaven, like it's gonna
Speaker 2: we went it's a she mean great.
Speaker 3: For ab exactly exactly that we were just going to
Speaker 3: get out of our right reality. We got to get
Speaker 3: out of this place. We've got the same thing happening
Speaker 3: every day. We hate it here. It's so boring. We
Speaker 3: got to go to spring Break, but we have no money,
Speaker 3: and that's their issue. These little girls they have no money.
Speaker 3: And then one of them is Selena Gomez who was
Speaker 3: that was Justin Bieber's girlfriend for a while. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: she's like this huge pop culture figure and it shows
Speaker 3: her and she's like in this kind of weird evangelical
Speaker 3: church situation and everybody looks really empty there. You know,
Speaker 3: she doesn't. She doesn't seem very happy.
Speaker 2: And the childishness they have them all singing like the
Speaker 2: clapper hands, you know, Jesus.
Speaker 3: Loves Yeah, it's very yeah, and it's it's funny because
Speaker 3: that contrasts with it's kind of the same thing that
Speaker 3: they're doing there as the girls are doing at spring Break, right,
Speaker 3: hyping themselves up emotionally and you know, singing, singing empty,
Speaker 3: empty songs with that they don't really feel to have
Speaker 3: any meaning.
Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah, And the irony of that was I'm sitting
Speaker 2: here thinking, there's no way that the the cheeseball indoctrination
Speaker 2: of charismatic evangelicalism that she's involved in is gonna because
Speaker 2: it is not going to be enough to hold her
Speaker 2: back from the degeneracy when she gives into the plot. Right,
Speaker 2: so her her Hoe friends are like, let's do it.
Speaker 2: You gotta be hard. You gotta be hard. So you
Speaker 2: have these you know, seventeen eighteen year old white girls who.
Speaker 3: I guess they should be eighteen because they're the first
Speaker 3: year of college.
Speaker 2: Okay eighteen, So they've been completely downloaded with the idea
Speaker 2: of like hardcore you know, rap that they're and they're
Speaker 2: gonna they gotta show how hard they are. And they
Speaker 2: come up with this plot to rob like a little diner,
Speaker 2: which I don't know how they I can't imagine some
Speaker 2: little diner in a small town having enough money to
Speaker 2: fund like this.
Speaker 3: You know, how much would they really need? Right they're
Speaker 3: trying to get on a bus.
Speaker 2: Go.
Speaker 3: All they need to do is get on the bus, go,
Speaker 3: get some cheap hotel room on the beach in Florida,
Speaker 3: and buy some booze for a few days. But I
Speaker 3: guess since they're girls, they don't have to buy booths
Speaker 3: like everyone will just shower them with drugs and true alcohol.
Speaker 3: That's a point, So maybe they don't either that.
Speaker 2: I couldn't tell whether it was Daytona or or.
Speaker 3: Saint Pete's Okay, Saint Petersburg, Florida. I thought that was
Speaker 3: the intro to the film was actually really interesting because
Speaker 3: the way it juxtaposes the the partying and then goes
Speaker 3: straight to the evangelical, like you know, children's group. They've
Speaker 3: got the Bibles in front of them, but they're not
Speaker 3: reading from it. They're just singing empty songs and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. And then it shows the girls in their
Speaker 3: class and they're while learning about like the reconstruction period
Speaker 3: during the Civil War and the lecture. Right, they're drawing
Speaker 3: pictures of Dix and showing and and pretending to lick
Speaker 3: them and saying I want penis. So I got a
Speaker 3: screenshot pulled up right there where she says she got
Speaker 3: a heart and says I love penis on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're miserable in their small town hypersexually. You
Speaker 2: gotta be hard, don't be scared of nothing. Let's let's
Speaker 2: rob this mom and pop diner.
Speaker 3: Would you notice the party. There's some really shocking imagery
Speaker 3: in the party they went to. Right, so it shows
Speaker 3: this this uh, this kind of college party, and the
Speaker 3: first shots that shows of it are all them sitting
Speaker 3: around a bonfire. Right, so it shows it shows Vanessa
Speaker 3: Hudgens smoking a bong load after they say we're gonna
Speaker 3: talk about Satan, and then it switches to her and
Speaker 3: she lights up the thing, and so there's the fire
Speaker 3: and that she breathes in the weed smoke. There's a
Speaker 3: lot of references to breath, right, like breathing in, and
Speaker 3: they breathe on each other a lot in the film,
Speaker 3: like they blow smoke in each other's mouth. There's quite
Speaker 3: a few scenes with just referencing like inhaling, you know,
Speaker 3: which would probably be referencing spiritual God breathe the spirit
Speaker 3: of life in the ass right.
Speaker 2: So it's like this, I didn't even notice that because
Speaker 2: I've only seen it once, so my first time through,
Speaker 2: I'm just looking at, you know, like the basic level
Speaker 2: of the plot line. So a lot of the symbolism
Speaker 2: I missed because the way I do movies is i'll
Speaker 2: watch them. If it's a good one that I feel
Speaker 2: like has a lot of a depths to it, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna watch it two or three times and you'll notice,
Speaker 2: you know, you pick up stuff the more. In some
Speaker 2: some movies you can watch five times and you still
Speaker 2: haven't even picked up everything. But but yeah, so that
Speaker 2: was a good point. I didn't even notice the breathing stuff.
Speaker 3: There's quite a few references that. Then they show they're
Speaker 3: at a party. They're at this college party, and it's
Speaker 3: just it definitely reminds me a lot of the parties
Speaker 3: I saw when I was in college. So they're pouring
Speaker 3: beer bongs down baby doll. They have the setup where
Speaker 3: they have a baby doll and the beer bong goes
Speaker 3: through the baby's mouth and out of it's whereas genitals
Speaker 3: would be. And the college kids are doing beer bongs
Speaker 3: through this baby doll. So it's just it's referencing, right,
Speaker 3: child abuse, uh force poisoning children.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, one of the one of the lines that
Speaker 2: one of the thoughts I think was Vanessa Hudgens. She says, quote,
Speaker 2: she's like, we gotta do this. Don't be scared enough
Speaker 2: and act like you're in a movie. Act like you're
Speaker 2: in a video game.
Speaker 3: You've gotta be hard exactly.
Speaker 2: So her whole worldview is programmed by video games, rap music,
Speaker 2: and movies.
Speaker 3: There's even you know, there's even a shot I've got
Speaker 3: to pulled up right now of a guy smoking weed
Speaker 3: through a baby doll. So he's the the bowl of
Speaker 3: weed is in its mouth and then he's sucking it
Speaker 3: through where it's like, you know, where it's general. It's
Speaker 3: really horrible imagery. He barely noticed that. There's baby dolls,
Speaker 3: take to the wall. There's a guy with a dead
Speaker 3: chicken on his head and he's smoking out of a bong.
Speaker 3: So it's just really gross imagery. And then they start
Speaker 3: discussing what they gotta do, right, we gotta we gotta
Speaker 3: get this money. We gotta get this money, y'all. And
Speaker 3: it shows him snorting coke, which is like right, you know,
Speaker 3: and that she she has a gun. The girl actually
Speaker 3: has a squirt gun. Do you see that part? She's
Speaker 3: got a square guns, she squirts the.
Speaker 2: She's like drinking alcohol and sucking on it like it's
Speaker 2: a pp which comes up later in the growth scene
Speaker 2: with James Franco sucking the guns like.
Speaker 3: Oh man, I forgot about that. That's one of the
Speaker 3: best disgusting things ever put on film. James Franco filating
Speaker 3: a gun. Two guns, so bad. Yeah, James Franco true degenerate.
Speaker 2: And a big devote fan of Crowley too, by.
Speaker 3: The way, exactly, Yeah, he directed or him and Kenneth
Speaker 3: Anger are real good friends, aren't they?
Speaker 2: Good? Point? Yes, My next note says, uh, that we
Speaker 2: see him rapping, right, and he's called alien.
Speaker 3: So he's from this planet y'all.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I ain't from this planet. I'm here and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna take you to another world and all this stuff.
Speaker 2: Almost like he is like an like he's another being,
Speaker 2: like another I see him as almost like a devil
Speaker 2: type character, because uh he What happens is, of course
Speaker 2: they go, they party hardy, and then they end up
Speaker 2: these two gross twin dudes with with you know, grills,
Speaker 2: these two skanky white dudes trying to be thugs. Uh,
Speaker 2: they're supplying their party with with drugs and they end
Speaker 2: up getting arrested, right, So the girls all get arrested,
Speaker 2: and we almost think it was kind of by design
Speaker 2: because the two the two white dudes, the two twins,
Speaker 2: were at the party bringing the drugs. They're working for
Speaker 2: riff raff, and so he.
Speaker 1: Busts them out of jail and he's like, oh, what's so, y'all,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to be nice, bust.
Speaker 2: Y'all out of jail, you know what I'm saying. Wat y'all,
Speaker 2: comes chill with me, what's up? And then he starts
Speaker 2: immediately hits them with like you know y'all have a
Speaker 2: double double dung inside.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no's yeah so gross. Well, first, what happened though,
Speaker 3: is they the girls robbed. You mentioned this. They've robbed
Speaker 3: a diner to get some money. They had it, but
Speaker 3: it's not faith. So faith is Selena Gomez's character, who's
Speaker 3: kind of the more innocent girl, like she doesn't really
Speaker 3: want to be doing the drugs, but they're like, here
Speaker 3: smoke this, you know, here takes So she's but she
Speaker 3: has nothing to fight it with. Right, there's no real
Speaker 3: resistance even though you could tell she's not sold on it.
Speaker 3: She has no resistance and you you kind of nailed
Speaker 3: it when saying, like, you know, her worldview because she's
Speaker 3: not connected to anything spiritually strong enough to oppose it.
Speaker 2: She can't. Yeah, it's it's it's very childish evangelicalism. It
Speaker 2: wasn't it wasn't enough to to convince her that this
Speaker 2: degeneracy wasn't appealing, This pure hedonism wasn't appealing. So she
Speaker 2: falls into it, you know, pretty quick. But she's the
Speaker 2: one that starts having reservations because she does have at
Speaker 2: least some moral compass. Her friends have no moral compass whatsoever.
Speaker 3: Right, Right, they go to this party there once they
Speaker 3: finally get the spring break, they're just doing drugs. The
Speaker 3: chicks are they They they become very kind of demonic,
Speaker 3: especially the.
Speaker 2: Blondels, so you just have nothing human human about them.
Speaker 2: They're just completely it's just evil after evil after evil,
Speaker 2: right mm hmm.
Speaker 3: There was that scene in the in the room where
Speaker 3: they're they're doing coke and stuff at this party and
Speaker 3: one of those twins, who the twins? Do you know
Speaker 3: who they are? They're actually like internet celebrities, those twins.
Speaker 3: They're called the atl Twins, and they're like they're actually
Speaker 3: they're paralegals out of Atlanta and they're like super into
Speaker 3: pills and stuff. Uh, they were Internet celebs for a
Speaker 3: little while. Vice made them very popular. They're not even rappers.
Speaker 3: They're just like degenerate drug guys who like to have threesomes,
Speaker 3: like that's their whole thing is actually, you know, like
Speaker 3: James Franklins says, right, they're just degenerate, Like I don't
Speaker 3: know where.
Speaker 2: They two twin brothers that actually do like to share.
Speaker 3: They share women. They had the same girlfriend for a while.
Speaker 3: So it's weird because it blends the Internet reality and
Speaker 3: it shows them watching like Kimbo Slice fights when they're
Speaker 3: in the dorms too. So there's the internet culture is
Speaker 3: already permeating. And this was twenty thirteen this film came out.
Speaker 3: There was an interesting image with the ATL Twin guy.
Speaker 3: He's wearing a chain and it's got a serpent's head
Speaker 3: on it and a girl's filating the serpent's head a
Speaker 3: couple of seconds and it's very graphic.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, they're like the hell hell Hounds. They're like
Speaker 2: James Franco's two hell hounds, right, like his demon dogs, right,
Speaker 2: like Simbaris or whatever. They double headed demon hound. And
Speaker 2: James Franco is this kind of alien demon type type
Speaker 2: figure who rescues them to offer them this new way
Speaker 2: of living, right like, you come with me, you know,
Speaker 2: be my harem basically, and you know I'll give you
Speaker 2: the life you want. Because he overhears them talking about,
Speaker 2: you know, I want to live in Florida forever.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be out springing right forever, spraying
Speaker 1: right forever.
Speaker 3: Well, and they get they get arrested, right, so they're arrested,
Speaker 3: they can't post bail, and he's sitting there all predatory
Speaker 3: like in the in the audience or whatever for their
Speaker 3: court hearing, and it shows his grill and this really
Speaker 3: gross reveal shot where it's like I've got the most
Speaker 3: disgusting mouth. And then he's sitting out there. He's got
Speaker 3: this like corny ass Camaro with a dollar sign.
Speaker 2: Do you think he's going to be like this badass
Speaker 2: but he's actually kind of just attacky, mediocre level. He's
Speaker 2: not Scarface. Yeah, like he read shitty nineteen nineties d suit,
Speaker 2: you know, outfit in his bedroom, and.
Speaker 3: His cars like a ninety eight, like a ninety eight
Speaker 3: Camaro or something with gay rims that have like dollar signs,
Speaker 3: and he's.
Speaker 2: Got he's got what what would have been a really
Speaker 2: expensive house in the seventies, right, Yeah, like seventies you
Speaker 2: know style everyone where, and and if you it's funny
Speaker 2: because if you watch Scarface, it's kind of it's funny
Speaker 2: because in Scarface, when he renovates his mansion, it's very tacky,
Speaker 2: like it's all expensive but it's super gaudy and tacky,
Speaker 2: and he's like a B grade Scarface, Like he's like
Speaker 2: a knockoff scarface with with with tacky ship everywhere. But
Speaker 2: he's really proud of it. He's like, I built out this.
Speaker 2: You see all this, I built out This is my yet.
Speaker 2: This is my yet.
Speaker 3: That's one of the best scenes. That's one of my
Speaker 3: favorite scenes in the movie.
Speaker 4: Look at all my ship, Look at all these ship.
Speaker 4: They got scarface. Oh repeat, I.
Speaker 3: Got shirt hands, I got shirt, got my dark handed oil.
Speaker 4: Lay down by the pool with my dark hand and oil.
Speaker 3: But he you know, it's it's just that seems amazing.
Speaker 2: He's got this stupid piano out by the rule of which,
Speaker 2: like you know, you know, he saw some some rap
Speaker 2: video or some R and B video with R Kelly
Speaker 2: out by the pool playing Piano's put a pool by
Speaker 2: the piano. That's gonna be sweet Dog exactly.
Speaker 4: It's it's so funny.
Speaker 3: So what I thought was interesting too though, when he
Speaker 3: first meets the girls and they have their kind of reveal,
Speaker 3: the three girls, the three blonde checks, are pretty into them.
Speaker 3: They're just like, yeah, this guy's kind of cool. Uh,
Speaker 3: you know, they're basically asking, well, what do you want
Speaker 3: from us? What do you want? He's just like guy.
Speaker 3: And then he has faith her name. He's like, what's
Speaker 3: your name? And this scene is actually a very horrific
Speaker 3: scene when he's talking to atl twins or sitting across
Speaker 3: from him. He says, like, you know what they're into, right,
Speaker 3: they dope penetration, just really gross, Like he graphically describes
Speaker 3: their sexual desires, and then they're smiling at him and
Speaker 3: licking their grills and stuff. And then he asks Faith.
Speaker 3: He says, what's your name? She tells him Faith. He's like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's interesting, Like, you know you you believe in God.
Speaker 3: You got faith, like very very aggressively, right. She's like,
Speaker 3: uh yeah. He's like, you did a lot of praying.
Speaker 3: You pray for your friends here.
Speaker 6: You do lot praying for your friends here.
Speaker 3: She's like yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He's like you know, I was thinking. He's like, maybe
Speaker 3: that I'm the answer to your prayers. Maybe I'm asked
Speaker 3: to your prayers. So he's like steps in and just
Speaker 3: openly takes the Luciferian kind of you know, satanic, like,
Speaker 3: I'll replace God for you, I'll answer all your prayers.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, I ain't from this planet. I ain't
Speaker 2: from this planet.
Speaker 4: I'm from this planet, y'all.
Speaker 3: But they go they go to his his pad, They
Speaker 3: go to his pad, and I think that's one of
Speaker 3: the funniest scenes is when he he shows them his house.
Speaker 2: And he's also got his tattoos significant because it's a
Speaker 2: dollar sign, right, and that's what these alpha thoughts that
Speaker 2: have led faith down this path. That's all there they've
Speaker 2: been after this whole time. Was that money? That money? Yep,
Speaker 2: And he's got the dollars on tattoo on his neck,
Speaker 2: on his neck. Oh. And then then he he reveals
Speaker 2: it a little bit ahead of time too, when he
Speaker 2: talks about the sharks. He says, don't gls women at
Speaker 2: water at night. There's sharks, a lot of sharks. He says.
Speaker 2: They're predatory animals, just waiting, just waiting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, lark lark and larking and there lurking, he says,
Speaker 3: like three times. And something that I thought was interesting
Speaker 3: about the film the editing. They loop a lot of things,
Speaker 3: so there's a lot of loop was telling before we started.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like it was edited by scrill.
Speaker 2: X, like a rapper or like scrill X, Yeah, like
Speaker 2: the exactly.
Speaker 3: So then they get in his car, they go on
Speaker 3: his ride. They're in his vehicle. He brings them to
Speaker 3: this like trap house party, right, it's he brings them
Speaker 3: to this house with these gangsters.
Speaker 2: And it's like super ghetto, dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the vibe there, you know that that scene
Speaker 3: they actually apparently shot that, Like those are all real
Speaker 3: gangsters and and the girls were actually legitimately freaked out.
Speaker 3: I watched some of some of these interviews and they're
Speaker 3: talking and the girls were the actresses said that they
Speaker 3: were legitimately scared of James Franco, Like he was always
Speaker 3: in character when they were filming, and he was like
Speaker 3: obsessive and really he was very, very very freaky to them. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: they go to this trap house and Faith freaks out.
Speaker 3: He has a conversation whether her alien, tries to get
Speaker 3: her to stay, and then she says, no, I'm leaving.
Speaker 3: And then she leaves. She gets on the bus and
Speaker 3: shows her hand against the window. I'm going back to
Speaker 3: my life. So Faith actually gets saved from the debauchery
Speaker 3: that happens later on to a certain extent. I thought
Speaker 3: that was interesting and in a very satanic movie, the
Speaker 3: one character that even though she has kind of a
Speaker 3: distorted connection to reality, she does she leaves this fake world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was right, she knew that this wasn't gonna go. Well,
Speaker 2: but what's interesting is that the real villains aren't who
Speaker 2: you think. The real villains aren't Gucci Mane, and they're
Speaker 2: not Alien. The real hard demons turn out to be
Speaker 2: other than what you think. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So when you first see Alien, you kind of
Speaker 3: he's like basically the Satan character, Right, this guy seems
Speaker 3: like he's pure evil, and he's so hokey. He's kind
Speaker 3: of funny but also.
Speaker 2: Really yes, right, he's corny.
Speaker 3: Super corny. But then there's something about that the performance
Speaker 3: that's just I mean, I'm not a fan of like
Speaker 3: I think James Franco's probably you know, he seems like
Speaker 3: he's kind of a degenerate and in reality, but he
Speaker 3: did put on really good performances in this just artistically,
Speaker 3: he did a great job. And then let's see what
Speaker 3: happened next. Remember what happens next.
Speaker 2: We introduced to We're introduced to Gucci Mane. Gucci Mane
Speaker 2: is the big time gangster. He's got the actual estate,
Speaker 2: whereas you know, Alien is a mid level, mid tier gangster.
Speaker 2: Gucci Mane's got the biggest state. He gets in his
Speaker 2: face says.
Speaker 1: I brought you up, dog, I owned these streets, own
Speaker 1: these streets, and.
Speaker 2: You can tell the aliens resenting him. Alien wants, you know,
Speaker 2: to be the big dog. He's jealous of him. He
Speaker 2: wants to be running the streets, but you know, he's
Speaker 2: too scared to do anything. And so then we have
Speaker 2: this sequence where he's he's trying to basically get that
Speaker 2: get the gumption up to do something, and he's still scared.
Speaker 2: Gucci Mane pulls up and shoots his car and a
Speaker 2: stray bullet hits one of those chicks in the arm,
Speaker 2: and that's almost enough to send him over, but then
Speaker 2: his his the two that shit goes home. Right then
Speaker 2: she yeah too, look I'm out of this, I got
Speaker 2: a bullets.
Speaker 3: Weird, right, So she ended up marrying him. I think
Speaker 3: she's still married to him. They have a kid.
Speaker 2: So then he, uh, Alien's like, all right, that's enough,
Speaker 2: that's enough. And the two remaining hoes basically have to
Speaker 2: sleep with him and you know, sort of build them
Speaker 2: build up his his prowess. Right. Well, they it seems
Speaker 2: like they because they want him to do it. They're
Speaker 2: the ones that are really wanting it.
Speaker 3: They want to demonically influence him in a certain way,
Speaker 3: like they're they're constantly trying to egg him on, and
Speaker 3: they think it's just entertainment.
Speaker 2: Well you think he's the predator, that's what the thing is,
Speaker 2: and those two chicks are the real predators. And you
Speaker 2: start to get that, and he almost legitimately looks scared
Speaker 2: when they grab the guns and make him suck the guns.
Speaker 3: That's one of the most horrific parts.
Speaker 2: Right, So he actually looks starts looking scared like whoa yeah, but.
Speaker 4: Then he loves it.
Speaker 3: Then he's like ooh like and then he tells him
Speaker 3: y'all my soulmates.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so now he's got a new set of
Speaker 2: uh hell hounds to work with him.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: And then the I ring I don't I don't know
Speaker 2: what to make of the Britney thing other than here
Speaker 2: we have Brittany, another Disney princess, right, who's turned into
Speaker 2: these one of these mind control hose uh, you know,
Speaker 2: horror Babylon type things where she goes from innocent princess
Speaker 2: to horror Babylon And they're all singing Britney songs. And
Speaker 2: by the way, there's at least two Britney songs that
Speaker 2: come up in the movie.
Speaker 3: Well, so it's there's the scene, all right, So they
Speaker 3: go to his house, but it skips around in time
Speaker 3: a little bit, right because it's just the two girls
Speaker 3: are in his bedroom and he's showing them. He's showing
Speaker 3: them all his stuff.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: Maybe can you play audio like brief clips of audio
Speaker 3: from films without getting demonetized. Eh, I'll do ten seconds.
Speaker 3: Franklin's here, we take all they can take, all shit,
Speaker 3: my shit, I got my blue koole. I don't know
Speaker 3: if you could hear that. I don't know if the
Speaker 3: audio goes through Skype when I do that. But he's
Speaker 3: jumping on his bed and his bed is full of money.
Speaker 3: His bed is filled with money, and he's got these
Speaker 3: two young girls with him and they love it. And
Speaker 3: he's got guns and money all over his bed, guns
Speaker 3: and weapons all over his walls. And he's jumping around
Speaker 3: in this like ecstatic state, talking about his spiritual his
Speaker 3: spiritual realm, which is just all his ship.
Speaker 4: Look at my ship.
Speaker 3: So I thought, I thought this was one of the
Speaker 3: best scenes in the film. And it just he's going
Speaker 3: through all his weapons and his guns and his money
Speaker 3: and his Calvin Klins.
Speaker 4: I got Calvin Klin escape.
Speaker 3: I smelled mess.
Speaker 2: And it squirts it like twenty times and both of you,
Speaker 2: like you could even mix them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, He's like take Calvin Klin Escape Calvin Klein b
Speaker 4: and he's sprays.
Speaker 3: It both on them. It shows all his his caps,
Speaker 3: all his hats that still have the stickers on it,
Speaker 3: all of his sneakers.
Speaker 4: He's like, I got shorts every color.
Speaker 2: He's like, color shorts.
Speaker 4: I got, I got shorts.
Speaker 3: His accent is so funny, and it's like you're cracking
Speaker 3: up watching the scene. But at the same time, it's
Speaker 3: like that is the millennial MTV dream, right, you know,
Speaker 3: a bunch of a bunch of weapons and money and uh, bitches,
Speaker 3: I got my bitches, I got my ship, I got
Speaker 3: my possessions.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: But it really is home. It's very it's there's nothing
Speaker 3: cool about it. The bed looks like, uh, you know scarfaces,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Some eighties out of date. It's uh, it's it's if
Speaker 2: you come, if you're if you're in Florida. You see
Speaker 2: a lot of those kind of houses that were you know,
Speaker 2: they were probably a million dollars back in the seventies
Speaker 2: and now they're all kind of run down. They look
Speaker 2: kind of nasty. On the ocean and the property would
Speaker 2: still cost a lot, but you know, the houses are
Speaker 2: pretty gross. So yeah, he's he's definitely in his mind,
Speaker 2: he's way above what he actually is. And it's funny
Speaker 2: too when he talks about his rap career, when he's
Speaker 2: describing who he is, he's like, oh, no, I sell drugs.
Speaker 2: But but he's like, but you see my YouTube videos.
Speaker 2: I'm about to.
Speaker 4: Blow up, Yeah, up on youth.
Speaker 3: He's like, I stand in front all these people, like
Speaker 3: I swear to God.
Speaker 4: He's like, I swear to God. It's humbling, y'all.
Speaker 3: You know which I thought that was a funny moment
Speaker 3: because you know when people usually say yeah, it was humbling,
Speaker 3: it's usually when they're humble bragging exactly, like it was
Speaker 3: so humbling, like having these people worship.
Speaker 2: Me, about to blow up on YouTube?
Speaker 4: Got my song on YouTube?
Speaker 3: What was the song called, like hanging with.
Speaker 2: The Dope Boys or something something dumbya.
Speaker 3: Some like trap song and the music.
Speaker 2: And with the Dope Boys.
Speaker 3: Right, So then he starts jumping around in ecstasy, grabbing
Speaker 3: his gun to saying I'm gonna.
Speaker 4: Kill that motherfucker.
Speaker 3: I won't kill that mother and the girls are like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: like we love it, and then the girls.
Speaker 2: Then then he's then they're like, you're scared, You're scared,
Speaker 2: you're scared.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what what what are you gonna do? When you
Speaker 3: what are you gonna do about it? He starts, oh no.
Speaker 3: He takes the money and he like puts it up
Speaker 3: next to her face, and she's like says something about
Speaker 3: like this makes my.
Speaker 6: Pussy wet or something like the money makes my pussy wet.
Speaker 3: Which was just it's so cringey. Every one of the
Speaker 3: girl's lines. It's like you want to cringe. I think
Speaker 3: earlier in the film, when they first stole the money,
Speaker 3: one of them said like.
Speaker 6: It makes my tits look bigger.
Speaker 3: It's like really funny lines like this money makes my
Speaker 3: kids look Now.
Speaker 2: The dialogue was very base, very very degenerate, very dumb uh,
Speaker 2: which is a little off putting because you think, is
Speaker 2: the dialogue did he ride it that bad? Or is
Speaker 2: he just literally trying to describe how idiotic eighteen year
Speaker 2: olds would be talking you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think it was intentional, Like it's
Speaker 3: intentionally corny. The acting is intentionally like when the girls
Speaker 3: deliver lines, they are just repeating shit they heard on TV. Right,
Speaker 3: there's nothing coming from their soul. They're not speaking from
Speaker 3: their true self. It's just, you know, saying shit that
Speaker 3: they heard.
Speaker 6: The money makes my taste look bigger.
Speaker 3: That's like, there's nothing. It's very unattractive right there. It's
Speaker 3: very off putting, and they're they're destroying themselves the m Yeah.
Speaker 3: So then and then the chicks they take his guns
Speaker 3: and they and he's like, that's loaded, y'all, and they
Speaker 3: put it. They put the gun up to his head
Speaker 3: and they're like, how do you know what they say do?
Speaker 3: They say, like, how do you know we're not just
Speaker 3: going We're not just here to take all your shit?
Speaker 3: How do you know that we're not here? Let's say,
Speaker 3: I'll play the audio from this from this part. You
Speaker 3: think that you can just you think you can just
Speaker 3: fucking on us, they say, And then they say open
Speaker 3: your mouth, and they put the guns in his mouth
Speaker 3: and they force him to like perform sexual acts on
Speaker 3: the guns. It's really really gross scene, very hard to watch.
Speaker 3: One of the more horrific scenes.
Speaker 2: That I turned away. It was a bit much gross.
Speaker 3: It's really disgusting. And then it cuts to them him
Speaker 3: at the piano, and they've got pink their outfits. Do
Speaker 3: you remember what they're wearing in this in this music video.
Speaker 2: On the on their butts of the of the of
Speaker 2: the sweatpants, it says deep down to d T F
Speaker 2: d TF, Right, it's like this pans over their face.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's got the DTF pants and they're wearing a
Speaker 3: unicorn pink ski masks, and they've got guns and they
Speaker 3: sing a Britney Spears song and then it's this. It's
Speaker 3: basically a music video of these girls and James Franco
Speaker 3: performing acts of violence and robbing just like normal Americans. Right,
Speaker 3: So there's a wedding.
Speaker 2: It's almost like it's it's in the mind what what
Speaker 2: in the minds of those people, they would think, you know,
Speaker 2: making it up the ladder, you know, social climbing plan,
Speaker 2: doing the game, you know that like in their minds,
Speaker 2: that's how they think it is. It's like in a
Speaker 2: music video.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: It's like that's how you get to the top.
Speaker 3: And it's literally a music video. So they're dressed up
Speaker 3: in all their brand new sneakers, like bright hot sneakers,
Speaker 3: and their their starter caps or whatever and they're they're
Speaker 3: you know, just pistol whipping people and the uh they
Speaker 3: go to a wedding and they smash this dude into
Speaker 3: the cake and it's just this really corny music video.
Speaker 2: Basically they start robbing people on spring break and people
Speaker 2: having parties.
Speaker 3: Right, you know what, Jay, let me, let me let's
Speaker 3: re establish the sky call because I'm getting like audio interference.
Speaker 3: Let me just restart the sky call real quick.
Speaker 5: What all right? There? You are?
Speaker 3: So yeah, And that sequence ends with them sitting in
Speaker 3: somebody else's house looking at three dudes tied up in
Speaker 3: a bed and there and they're smoking a joint and
Speaker 3: just like looking really cool with their guns and squinty
Speaker 3: eyes and looking hard in a music video. I don't
Speaker 3: know what to make of that sequence, but it's kind
Speaker 3: of it's kind of haunting, like the way it was
Speaker 3: shot in the camera angles and it's done cinematically really
Speaker 3: well with this really corny Britney Spears song. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: there's something that was kind of like haunting about it.
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's the fulfillment of her line at the beginning,
Speaker 2: you gotta be don't be scared of nothing. You got
Speaker 2: to act like you in a movie act like you're
Speaker 2: in a video game. You've got to be hard and
Speaker 2: then here it is.
Speaker 3: Right right, So, I mean it's it's funny. It's like,
Speaker 3: you know, the whole millennial world, what they aspire to,
Speaker 3: what we've been taught, uh since we were little kids
Speaker 3: to look forward to, is just you know, material possessions, money, guns, drugs,
Speaker 3: and hoes.
Speaker 2: And the irony, of course, is that it's not really real.
Speaker 2: I mean, the story is over the top. It's it's
Speaker 2: over the top in the same way as rap videos
Speaker 2: are over the top. You know, they're they're egregiously over
Speaker 2: the top right there, my allergies. I'm not snorting coked.
Speaker 2: I'm not doing those spring Breakers style.
Speaker 3: You're not hanging out with a riff raff over there South.
Speaker 1: Floorda uh pepple mint tint, my pepple mint tent.
Speaker 2: But anyway, Yeah, so the movie itself is over the top.
Speaker 2: I think the the ending is. And it's interesting that
Speaker 2: it's Gucci Mane. It's it's a over the top rapper
Speaker 2: who is the lead gangster who is callously, coldly just
Speaker 2: assassinated at the end. You know, we've seen this in Wrapped,
Speaker 2: you know, to a large degree of many rappers do
Speaker 2: get assassinated.
Speaker 3: Well, they hype them up, right, So they hype up
Speaker 3: James Franco and then they go to strip clubs and stuff.
Speaker 3: They do all the corny rap video ship and then
Speaker 3: you finally convince him you got to go kill this guy.
Speaker 2: You got to kill your you gotta kill Gucci Mane.
Speaker 2: And the irony there is James Franco is dead right away,
Speaker 2: like he gets shot right when they get off, right
Speaker 2: when they as soon as they're walking onto the plank
Speaker 2: of Gucci Mane's.
Speaker 3: They're on this Neon bridge.
Speaker 2: They pull up to his boat dock and they get
Speaker 2: as soon as he steps out, Jane Franks got shot
Speaker 2: in the head.
Speaker 3: He's down, yeah, And then they're on this like big
Speaker 3: Neon bridge and James Franco gets shot. Do they turn
Speaker 3: around and look or do they just keep running?
Speaker 2: Like they just keep running. They give him a kiss
Speaker 2: when they're coming out, but they just keep going. Take
Speaker 2: They take down all the Gucci Mane's guards, and they just.
Speaker 3: They don't even look. They just play the guns around
Speaker 3: and then the guys everyone falls, right, all these dudes fall.
Speaker 3: They break into Gucci Man's room Gucci Mane's room and
Speaker 3: he's there with his two he's got.
Speaker 2: Like he's in his hot tub and he's got two
Speaker 2: hoes in the shower he's watching. Yeah, and uh, they
Speaker 2: just and it's over. They run out, give James Franco
Speaker 2: a kiss and head out and the film. The film
Speaker 2: closes with the film closes with the two uh most
Speaker 2: wicked predators driving Gucci Mane's Maserati or whatever it was.
Speaker 3: So the the two Disney princesses raised on the pop culture.
Speaker 3: The only things they consume in this entire film. It
Speaker 3: never shows them eating any real food. They're just smoking weed,
Speaker 3: doing coke.
Speaker 2: It's just it's just drugs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they ate fruit loops one time.
Speaker 4: That's I noticed that.
Speaker 3: One time they consume fruit loops. But then they're you know,
Speaker 3: they're blowing weed, smoking each other's mouth or just getting
Speaker 3: uh fucked up the whole movie. And then did you
Speaker 3: they also in the last scene when they're leaving, they're
Speaker 3: talking to their parents on their cell phones.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and they're talking about how they want to
Speaker 2: be better and which is all bullshit. Yeah, it's all lies.
Speaker 4: Like I just I can't wait to come home.
Speaker 3: I've learned so much here.
Speaker 2: It's like, I wants to be a good girl now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's the most spiritual place I've ever been in
Speaker 6: my life.
Speaker 3: And stuff like saying these really corny things that are
Speaker 3: so juxtaposed to what the actions that they're taking are,
Speaker 3: and it's it's it's like horrific. You're seeing these girls
Speaker 3: and they're they're talking to their parents on the phone.
Speaker 3: The people who are funding their whole operation have no
Speaker 3: idea how demented and destroyed they are. They go and
Speaker 3: they you know, they kill all the black characters in
Speaker 3: the film, and these two little pampered chicks go back
Speaker 3: to their dorm room with the maserati from Gucci Maine
Speaker 3: and and they're just they're they're fine with it. They
Speaker 3: don't look guilty at all. They're not freaked out. It's
Speaker 3: just here's what we are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the total moral abandoned, no no compunction, no sense
Speaker 2: of guilt, and the complete double thing, the ability in
Speaker 2: their own minds to call home say that they're good
Speaker 2: girls and they want to do much better. They want
Speaker 2: to get back to being a good girl the way
Speaker 2: they used to be. And then they murder a bunch
Speaker 2: of people and have no guilt about it and don't
Speaker 2: even care, right, they're just like continuing on. I think
Speaker 2: speaks to that's his portrayal of the dangers and degeneracy
Speaker 2: of the millennials, just like Kids was a portrayal of
Speaker 2: the dangerous and degeneracy of my generation gen X or
Speaker 2: whatever it's. It's it's very parallel to Kids. It's almost
Speaker 2: like the same type of film. Kids is about, you know,
Speaker 2: this group of friends that that have you know, total
Speaker 2: no moral compass, no no compunction. And then one of them,
Speaker 2: even if I recalled, isn't it he gets off basically
Speaker 2: on spreading aids. Isn't that The point is? Like he
Speaker 2: does even care that he has age. He's gonna spread.
Speaker 3: Where he I think, No, he doesn't know, but he
Speaker 3: doesn't want to know, right.
Speaker 2: That's right, he doesn't want to know. He's just just
Speaker 2: just who cares?
Speaker 3: Kelly? Right, that was his name was Kelly, Kelly exactly.
Speaker 3: And then Casper is the other guy, and Casper just
Speaker 3: finding out at the end, like he learns, right, doesn't
Speaker 3: he learn? Someone tells him and then he wakes up.
Speaker 2: And he goes it. Doesn't he go ahead and screw
Speaker 2: that girl? Anyway, that's what.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what he does. He actually he doesn't care.
Speaker 3: He's always talking about I don't use no condom man,
Speaker 3: Like he's just like I'm sick with at Yo. They're
Speaker 3: all just you know, skateboarding around and there's steel beer
Speaker 3: and ship and I think the last scene of that
Speaker 3: film is him waking up and saying, what the fuck happened?
Speaker 3: And after just this night of infecting somebody with with
Speaker 3: HIV or no, he would have gotten HIV, right.
Speaker 2: It's something like that. It's been I haven't seen it
Speaker 2: since it came out.
Speaker 3: That's another horror movie.
Speaker 2: It's actually a horror and so so is that. It's
Speaker 2: just two different generations of of you know, how they
Speaker 2: how they were corrupted by pop culture, drugs, degeneracy, uh,
Speaker 2: temptation essentially. Yeah, And in that regard, yes, it is
Speaker 2: a telling film. I just don't it's kind of like
Speaker 2: the same. It's the ending of Under the Silver Lake, Like,
Speaker 2: what exactly does he mean by this ending? Does he
Speaker 2: mean that there's no hope for that generation, that they're
Speaker 2: just basically abandoned to moral nihilism or or what? How
Speaker 2: do you how do you read that ending for shrewd breakers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just pulled up the last shot. So the
Speaker 3: last shot, uh, well, they're in the car, and then
Speaker 3: the last shot is James Franco's dead body, the cameras
Speaker 3: upside down for some reason, the angles upside down. They
Speaker 3: kiss him with their fake pink ski mask on that
Speaker 3: has a unicorn on their on their third a and
Speaker 3: then they walk off in their bikinis across a neon bridge.
Speaker 3: That's the last uh, I think. I think basically what
Speaker 3: he's saying is that the driving force. Well, first of all,
Speaker 3: it's like James Franco, Gucci May and all these hard
Speaker 3: ass gangsters are not the real demons in the film.
Speaker 3: These two girls are actually literal demons. And there's a
Speaker 3: reference to it, which we forgot to talk about earlier,
Speaker 3: when Faith is talking to her friends and they're like,
Speaker 3: you gotta watch out for them girls. They got demon blood.
Speaker 2: Oh that's right. That the the the redneck chicks in
Speaker 2: her hometown. They're like, don't go down to Florida with them.
Speaker 2: They got demons in them.
Speaker 4: I'm anna pray for you.
Speaker 3: I'm all pray real hard. So they kill their own,
Speaker 3: you know, this guy that comes to save them they
Speaker 3: basically their whole thing is about baiting James Franco into it,
Speaker 3: taking all his possessions, taking his life, destroying all the
Speaker 3: lives around them. So I think it's basically just saying
Speaker 3: that the driving force behind, like the whole pop culture, degenerosity, destruction.
Speaker 3: He's showing that it it permeates through the little girls,
Speaker 3: Like it's not the hardcore gangsters that are destroying America,
Speaker 3: it's these little girls that are consuming the pop culture.
Speaker 3: And really what they're influenced by is the pop culture imagery,
Speaker 3: is the serial box map, just like What's his Face
Speaker 3: Andrew Garfield and the other film. So that's what drives
Speaker 3: their behavior. So I think ultimately it's about the demonic
Speaker 3: and spiritual nature of pop culture and what it's meant
Speaker 3: to do, And it's meant to commercialize, commoditize, and ultimately
Speaker 3: cannibalize all these other little subcultures and spit out people
Speaker 3: as a product.
Speaker 2: Yeah, instead of scripture as a map, instead of the
Speaker 2: Bible as a map, tradition, heritage that we've had as
Speaker 2: these maps. Now your map is something that your mind
Speaker 2: creates out of pop culture, whether it's a Zelda map
Speaker 2: or whether it's you know, a video game quest or
Speaker 2: whether it's the quest to become immortal through partying in
Speaker 2: and spring break you know locales, or to become a
Speaker 2: rapper and you know, ascend them to the the stardom
Speaker 2: of rapper nonsense, you know, it's all it's all fake.
Speaker 2: It's all built on break faull have that's what. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that comes up a lot in the film too, and uh,
Speaker 2: Alien says that three or four times at one point
Speaker 2: spry right fine right ruh.
Speaker 3: And then the girls, I think one of the last
Speaker 3: lines that they say might be spring Break forever bitches.
Speaker 3: It sounds so corny when they say it, right, It's like,
Speaker 3: but that's how they Yeah, they live in like they
Speaker 3: speak in tweets, they speak in Facebook, because even when
Speaker 3: they're talking to their mom, it's like this false you know,
Speaker 3: their voice sounds a little different. It sounds really corny.
Speaker 3: It sounds forced, it sounds fake. And that's intentional, right,
Speaker 3: he could have gotten good performances out of them and
Speaker 3: say those things like they mean it, but it's meant
Speaker 3: to sound false. It's meant to sound like there's three
Speaker 3: layers of bullshit in between the characters and their actions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so lying to others in line to yourself. That's
Speaker 2: another theme there, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And it's kind of spiritual deception too, right,
Speaker 3: where it's like the audience thinks that Alien is the
Speaker 3: devil character, right, you think Alien's this, Oh he's the devil,
Speaker 3: He's Satan. But it really turns out that these little
Speaker 3: eighteen year old girls fed pop culture, raised.
Speaker 2: On you know, fruit, are more wicked than Alien. Yeah yeah, right,
Speaker 2: al And they had a completely they had a completely
Speaker 2: different upbringing. You know, Alien his upbringing, unless he's all
Speaker 2: making it up, I mean seems to be he really
Speaker 2: did grow up on the streets and he really was,
Speaker 2: you know, taught the game by Gucci Man and all
Speaker 2: this stuff. That all seems to be really the case.
Speaker 2: And these girls are sheltered. They're from this small town,
Speaker 2: you know, they're just going to some community college or whatever.
Speaker 2: They're ready to get out, and they the irony is
Speaker 2: that they have been downloaded with the pop culture and
Speaker 2: have it's produced a more wicked character than Alien, who
Speaker 2: actually did grow up on the streets. Yeah.
Speaker 3: They're more destructive, more violent, more dangerous, and more evil.
Speaker 3: And it's funny. Yeah, and you're right, they go to
Speaker 3: spring Break to consume this like as an experience, right,
Speaker 3: So they they see people like Gucci Maine, these dudes
Speaker 3: that are really living these lives in the hood, and
Speaker 3: you know James Franco's character, they just they don't care
Speaker 3: about really connecting with these people or anything. It's just
Speaker 3: about it now.
Speaker 2: They see them as extras in their rap video. M h.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And they steal their car in the end and
Speaker 3: driving with their guns and all that, and it's people.
Speaker 3: When you watch the uh, I think a lot of
Speaker 3: people probably said, oh, it's so what a weird movie?
Speaker 3: Why is it so corny? In the end, they just
Speaker 3: they don't get shot at all. The girls are just
Speaker 3: running around waving guns around and everyone falls and it's
Speaker 3: just it's so unrealistic. But that that's the reality that
Speaker 3: they're given. They're given total false reality.
Speaker 2: To Yeah, they're chasing they're chasing a phantasm, they're chasing
Speaker 2: an illusion. And that would be another common theme amongst
Speaker 2: both of these movies is chasing down something that's not
Speaker 2: going to fulfill you. That's that's illusory. So now if
Speaker 2: you read it in that way, I think you can
Speaker 2: see it as as a positive assessment there.
Speaker 3: So what do you think Harmony Kurran. Do you think
Speaker 3: Harmony Kuran's trying to try to wake up the millennials
Speaker 3: or do you think he's just like satanically rubbing their
Speaker 3: face and their ship and saying, look what you did.
Speaker 2: It could be a mixed message there. I mean, I've
Speaker 2: never talked to him, but I think he's he's probably
Speaker 2: trying to do a bunch of different things at once.
Speaker 2: He probably wants to, on the one hand, have an interesting,
Speaker 2: meaningful message, but he's also got to please you know,
Speaker 2: Disney or whoever funds the films. But he's also got
Speaker 2: to you know, he's got to try to skate between
Speaker 2: Sola and Charybdis. So, you know, it's similar to any
Speaker 2: anybody who has a big name, you know, a bunch
Speaker 2: of stars in the film. It's it's hard to figure
Speaker 2: out what their motivations are. But yeah, I don't, I
Speaker 2: don't know. It's just I have to look and see
Speaker 2: what some some of what he says in interviews.
Speaker 3: Probably, But yeah, I remember when I first saw the movie,
Speaker 3: I did look at some of that and look at
Speaker 3: some of the promotional material. It was Yeah, what I
Speaker 3: remember is he was going for well, I mean, he
Speaker 3: didn't really say exactly what he was doing, but he
Speaker 3: seems like a very intelligent guy, very very very intelligent,
Speaker 3: knew exactly the aesthetic and stuff that he wanted, and
Speaker 3: he sought out this cinematographer the same have you seen
Speaker 3: Into the Void, horrible terrible horror film. That movie is freaky.
Speaker 3: Also the cinematographer that did that did this movie. So
Speaker 3: I think that's why you see a lot of the
Speaker 3: same colors and stuff like that. What was interesting about
Speaker 3: like the promotional stuff. They tried to promote this too
Speaker 3: millennial kids and teenagers as hot, sex, drugs, rock and roll,
Speaker 3: spring break movie. And the reaction was that everyone who
Speaker 3: saw the movie hated it. Right, they thought it was
Speaker 3: they thought they were going to see pop culture like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be this cool movie with boobies, and they
Speaker 3: went and it was just horrific. Yeah, you know, it
Speaker 3: was this very this very very terrible movie, intentionally corny,
Speaker 3: intentionally strange, and and I think the response critically was
Speaker 3: people hated it. Once said that this is a terrible movie,
Speaker 3: don't go see it, like hashtag spring Breakers sucks, stuff
Speaker 3: like that. So I think that was maybe his intention,
Speaker 3: like kind of trying.
Speaker 2: To think so that makes sense, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Because he knew commercially how it would be. He doesn't
Speaker 3: have control over like the trailers and this and that,
Speaker 3: and he probably figured how it would be marketed. And yeah,
Speaker 3: it must it must have been an interesting process making
Speaker 3: this film. But but definitely yeah, you know, very very gaudy, right,
Speaker 3: like very uh tacky.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the sex scenes are like gross, right, anytime
Speaker 3: that there's some sexuality or kissing or something, it's like
Speaker 3: over tongue, like really really gross. Like human contact in
Speaker 3: the film is portrayed as violent almost, like all the
Speaker 3: sex is it feels violent, and the violence is made sexy,
Speaker 3: which is kind of I guess that's the how they
Speaker 3: do it in pop culture these days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like there's no understanding of a difference between like
Speaker 2: eroticism or genuine seduction or something like that and just
Speaker 2: really gross porn like it like the whole generation was
Speaker 2: over pornographized.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know what was interesting. I know you've
Speaker 3: done some stuff on the Broni's and the weird subcultures
Speaker 3: and stuff. They they're watching the only film like on
Speaker 3: their TVs. They're watching My Little Pony, and I think
Speaker 3: care Bears, And.
Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't notice the care Bears. I saw that
Speaker 2: my little Pony stuff. Yeah, the brony crop.
Speaker 3: I might be wrong about care Bears, but I saw
Speaker 3: My Little Pony. And then Kimbo Slice Street Fights on YouTube.
Speaker 3: It's like in the background, it's for some reason watching
Speaker 3: the Kimbo Slice beat the shit out one in a backyard.
Speaker 3: But yeah, really really weird movie. I actually I don't
Speaker 3: know what do you Which one did you enjoy? More
Speaker 3: Silver lak Ers spring Breakers?
Speaker 2: Well, you've You've pulled up some points in spring Breakers
Speaker 2: that I miss so I'm rethinking some of the elements
Speaker 2: of it that I missed. That I that I didn't
Speaker 2: catch that first because I've only seen it once. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I like Under the Silver like a little bit better,
Speaker 2: just because of the depth and the twin peaks and
Speaker 2: old Hollywood references. That's and I kind of feel like
Speaker 2: an Andrew Garfield type of character. Not that I'm a
Speaker 2: listless millennial, but I'm right on the edge of you.
Speaker 3: Know, gen z and millennial and you're really into older
Speaker 3: women like grannies.
Speaker 2: I live with a naked hippie, a naked boomer hippie.
Speaker 2: Now and I like to ten birds. There's twenty bird
Speaker 2: cages shitting, bird shitting everywhere. Now, Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 2: It was you know, he's basically decoding Hollywood and he
Speaker 2: doesn't know how to process it. And it's an ambiguous ending.
Speaker 2: But you know, the synchronistic you know, connections and the
Speaker 2: weird stuff behind the pop culture. It's all true. You know,
Speaker 2: what we're gonna do with that is a different question,
Speaker 2: but it's it's all there. There's no question that the
Speaker 2: movie makes it clear that it is true. You know,
Speaker 2: he kind of gives up. Is that the right response?
Speaker 2: I don't know, but but it was fun. We'll have
Speaker 2: to do another one of these. We'll pick out a
Speaker 2: couple more movies. I'm gonna have to go here pretty soon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I gotta get out of here too. I'm
Speaker 3: sitting down too long. My back hurts.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Cool man, Hey, that that was fun.
Speaker 2: I like this.
Speaker 3: It's I've wanted to do movie reviews at some point,
Speaker 3: but it's so it's hard to do it.
Speaker 2: On your own.
Speaker 3: We got to you got a little siskeel and.
Speaker 2: Either Yeah, it's better when there's two people and and
Speaker 2: you you've you noticed and pick up things I missed.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's always good to have two to have
Speaker 2: two eyes on something, four eyes on something.
Speaker 3: All right, So I got a suggestion for the next one.
Speaker 3: You probably already know because they're bugging you about this
Speaker 3: one already. So it ties in with the same theme
Speaker 3: with you know, the following the White Rabbit down the.
Speaker 2: Whole three episodes into Utopia.
Speaker 3: That's what you're gonna say, exactly, so awesome. So we'll
Speaker 3: do Utopia next once you finish that series. I think
Speaker 3: I think there's twelve episodes. Ye, and it's yeah, it's
Speaker 3: easy to watch because there's a captivating story. But we'll
Speaker 3: do that next. So you guys can find more at
Speaker 3: a Jay's Analysis dot com. I gotta say, if you're
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Speaker 4: To bring the kids in, to bring the the the views.
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Speaker 3: of the old church father's books, and uh, he does
Speaker 3: a globalist book series that's really good. His website and
Speaker 3: his YouTube channel. I mean he's he's giving you like
Speaker 3: university level theology lectures for free on YouTube almost every
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Speaker 3: I sometimes have to listen to his lectures twice to
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Speaker 2: Bobby that was really fascinating where you got into his
Speaker 2: history with you know, his views on veganism, how he's
Speaker 2: evolved on that issue. I've listened to the interview you
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Speaker 3: Oh thanks man, Thanks, Yeah, it's it's fun.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: We've got been through a lot of different incarnations of
Speaker 3: the channel and the years, but I like the direction
Speaker 3: we've been going lately. It's more fun. When I first
Speaker 3: started out, the first few years, it was basically just like, hey,
Speaker 3: it was basically just me on my porch, grab the camera.
Speaker 3: Usually don't have a shirt on because I live in
Speaker 3: Ecuador and it's always nice and hot. So most of
Speaker 3: my old videos are just me talking about nutrition and
Speaker 3: food and diet and stuff. But I've been enjoying the
Speaker 3: live streaming thing ever since this came out.
Speaker 2: It's a blast.
Speaker 3: It's really good. I'm really glad. I hopefully we can
Speaker 3: keep live streaming and we don't get kicked off at
Speaker 3: YouTube too soon. But yeah, we'll do this again. Maybe
Speaker 3: once you finish Utopia, we can review Utopia and talk
Speaker 3: about that, because that definitely ties in a lot with
Speaker 3: the nutrition stuff we talk about on this channel as well. Remember, guys,
Speaker 3: it's not.
Speaker 2: Just because Yeah, the third episode, now they're talking about
Speaker 2: the food company being involved in the conspiracy.
Speaker 3: Uh huh, yeah, and I think they even get a
Speaker 3: little bit deeper later on. They have some good shots
Speaker 3: of the corn fields when they're talking about that, right,
Speaker 3: they flashed through the corn fields. So yeah, Utopia, that
Speaker 3: was a series twenty thirteen and fourteen and in the
Speaker 3: UK that's what we're gonna talk about next. So if
Speaker 3: you guys haven't seen the Utopia series from Channel four UK,
Speaker 3: check that out. We'll do that and maybe next week we'll.
Speaker 2: Get to it.
Speaker 3: And if you have any other suggestions of movies we
Speaker 3: can do as ateric analysis of definitely definitely let us
Speaker 3: know we Oh, you know what, Jay, do you have
Speaker 3: time to answer this question? This is my friend Andrew Scarborough.
Speaker 3: He's a really cool Guy's so Andrew Scarborough. He's a
Speaker 3: cancer survivor. He had a brain tumor and he uses
Speaker 3: a ketogenic carnivore diet to keep from having seizures all
Speaker 3: the time and it works pretty dang well. He says,
Speaker 3: what do you think of the Daniel fast theologically and otherwise?
Speaker 2: I remember reading about this a long time ago. I'm
Speaker 2: sure there's nothing wrong with that. I would say that's
Speaker 2: a profitable thing. Probably. There you go, there you go.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, the book of Daniel is really interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Cool, So everybody, nice night, didn't you isn't Daniel your
Speaker 3: your patrons.
Speaker 2: Say it is. Yeah, I chose Daniel. Correct.
Speaker 3: Nice nice man. So you guys check out Utopia series.
Speaker 3: We'll do that one next. We'll talk about that one
Speaker 3: ties in with food social engineering, also media being used
Speaker 3: as you know, kind of leading people down certain paths
Speaker 3: of understanding. And I think you guys will like that chat.
Speaker 3: So we'll talk about that next one. And Jay, what
Speaker 3: else you got going on now?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 3: You got anything new? You know you've got a new book, right,
Speaker 3: we'll up of the book.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you definitely. You can get signed copies of
Speaker 2: us Star Callwood two in my shop at Jason also,
Speaker 2: so you can get part one as well. Everybody's orders
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Speaker 3: Brother got it. Yeah, he's going to bring it to me.
Speaker 2: I'll have it on next one okay. Yeah cool. So
Speaker 2: so yeah, everybody's just in the mail. Sorry that it
Speaker 2: took longer. I ran out really quick the first batch,
Speaker 2: so they were sold in three or four days, so
Speaker 2: I had to wait until I came back to Florida
Speaker 2: and got a whole new batch of books. But anyway,
Speaker 2: so they're all it's all good now, all pretty much
Speaker 2: five star reviews. So far, I think nine people have
Speaker 2: reviewed it in four point five four point five out
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Speaker 3: So don't get it Amazon though, right, you don't want people.
Speaker 2: Don't pay Jeff Bezos. If you want to get it,
Speaker 2: get it for me. It's a little bit more, but
Speaker 2: I'll sign it. And next coming up, I'm about a
Speaker 2: third of a way into video making and the style
Speaker 2: of the Eye of the Double video that since that
Speaker 2: video did pretty good, this one's going to be about
Speaker 2: a recap of like the pop culture ceremonies that we've
Speaker 2: been given. So going back to Tim Leary, going back
Speaker 2: to the sixties, looking at big mass ceremonies, you know,
Speaker 2: coming from that period all the way up to Super Bowls, Olympics.
Speaker 2: You know this, these degenerate.
Speaker 3: Ceremonies that that tuttle ceremony.
Speaker 2: Everybody's sweet, Theton Gutenberg Turnle, the Swedish Tunnel. Definitely, that
Speaker 2: one's in there because we forget about these ceremonies, like
Speaker 2: we because they just crank them out and then you know,
Speaker 2: this year, it's oh, what's this year's Super Bowl garbage about?
Speaker 2: What's this year's VMA is about. I wanted to recap
Speaker 2: these because I've never really covered those in depth, give
Speaker 2: my analysis of them, but having in you know, like
Speaker 2: a thirty forty minute mini documentary style. So I'm about
Speaker 2: a third of the way that it should be out
Speaker 2: in the next few days.
Speaker 3: Oh that's awesome, dude. Yeah, It's interesting how these ceremonies
Speaker 3: and these mass events people don't even understand kind of
Speaker 3: the cultural roots and then you know the spiritual roots
Speaker 3: of these these things and why they're done. You know,
Speaker 3: I mean, you get thousands of people in one area
Speaker 3: chanting something like these these are powerful effects on human consciousness.
Speaker 3: And yeah, that'll be good, man. I look forward to
Speaker 3: that one. So guys, make sure to subscribe to Jay's channel.
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Speaker 3: sure it's great. I haven't seen it yet. I haven't
Speaker 3: gotten my copy yet, but I'm excited to read it.
Speaker 3: So thanks Jay.
Speaker 2: All right, man, God bless have a good day
Speaker 5: Alright,