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Speaker 1: Jay Dyer and the coaching Castle with the peppermint rims,

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tripping on that candy coat.

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Speaker 2: Candy coating on them rims.

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Speaker 1: You can lick it, ah, get yourself a high dog.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 3: We're just talking about riff Raff. Riffraff, the uh, the

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ultimate Millennial.

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Speaker 2: I got my, I got my my.

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Speaker 1: My rims is coated and cramel so you could lick

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it and get yourself a hide.

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Speaker 3: All right, everybody, Well we got we got a special

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episode today. We're doing a little movie movie review esoteric analysis.

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Jay's gonna be doing the whole stream in character as

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riff Raff, So that's.

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Speaker 1: What's not How y'all doing pepper mint stripes on these

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bitches only with hose who like got and Gabina.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying.

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How y'all doing today?

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Speaker 3: Got that scar face scarface on repeat, y'all? B Box

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says boomer and millennial analyzed movie Sign of Peace between Generations.

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Speaker 2: Except I'm not a bloomer, but I can dress like one.

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Speaker 3: You can dress like when you've got that Look at

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that hat, man, I think you got that hat especially

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for this occasion.

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Speaker 2: I did, I need to do it like that to

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do this analysis right, the bill's got to be flat. Yeah,

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like y'all, Don millennials with that don flat bill. What's

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y'all with you today? How y'all do? I could tell

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like Gucci Man too, though, tell like Gucci Man. He

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went in the movie.

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Speaker 3: Gucci Man, he was, He was great. I think he

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got an Academy Award for his performance in spring Breakers.

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Speaker 2: Gucci Man was having a little bit of struggle with

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that acting, wasn't he my.

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Speaker 3: Baby need to eat my baby stuff? And y'all it's

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got like pounds of weed in front.

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Speaker 1: Of him, pounds of weed. And he was like, uh,

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I brought you up. I brought you up on the streets.

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I taught you to gang and now you're getting too

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big for your bridges.

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Speaker 3: You don't know we're talking about We're talking about two

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movies today. This is kind of in line with the

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theme of the social engineering of the millennial. Jay and

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I we both watched two movies that they got a

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lot in common, also very different films, Beneath the Silver

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Lake and spring Breakers. So maybe we should talk about

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Beneath the Silver Lake first, because I was just reviewing

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some clips of that. Let's see, I've got I had

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some screenshots. I'll throw some screenshots up as we go.

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But that's a film that's got Andrew Garfield, the guy

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who played like the young millennial spider Man a few

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years back.

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Speaker 4: How does it?

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Speaker 3: I remember? It starts out in like a Starbucks, right,

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or some sort of a coffee shop, which is kind

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of the perfect millennial meeting place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a very strange film. It's a satire,

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dark satire, comedy, conspiracy movie. A lot of throwbacks to

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Hitchcock neo noir, a lot of throwbacks to old Hollywood

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Silver age Hollywood, gold age Hollywood. And we begin by

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seeing this coffee shop, all the hipsters hanging out, and

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there's there's graffiti that's been painted on the wall about

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watch out for the dog Killer. So dogs are being killed.

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We don't know why. What's going on here. Animals and

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dogs pop up all throughout the film. They have all

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of these sort of mystical significances. They're almost like totem

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spirits that keep popping up in in and out.

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Speaker 3: Well, the first one that you actually see is a

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dead squirrel right, there's this dead from the sky.

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Speaker 2: Almost like an hour there's this open right, so that

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the movie starts with this sort of dark omen of

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this dead squirrel. It just sort of pops out of

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the sky in front of him, and from then on

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we know something some shady's about to be going on.

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But let's see what I had in my notes here.

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I got a bunch of notes on this one. So

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the first the omen of the dead squirrel, that was

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my first note. There's a band playing and we see

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an ad for this Jesus in the Brides of Dracula band.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And it could be that could be any pop band, right,

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it could just be a cut and paste of any

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of the ship pop bands. And that's that's interesting because

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the lead singer of this pop band is going to

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be immediately associated with shit. Did you notice that?

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Speaker 3: You know what? I actually didn't notice that they associate

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him with shit. I've got the screenshot pulled up right now.

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Jesus in the Brides of Dracula East La resurrected or

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never Dead, and it's this guy like Steven Tyler looking

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dude with his shirt off and some chicks dressed as

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like satanic nuns surrounding him.

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Speaker 2: So there's that there's a really disgusting scene where he

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when Andrew Garfield finally tracks that guy down to ask

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him some questions about the lyrics, and he sneaks into

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the bathroom and throws the dude off the toilet and

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Speaker 2: So that's a double reference both to John Rowski's film

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where the Jesus character takes a poop, which is you know, uh,

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was done intentionally I think by Jowarowski to lampoon Christianity.

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that the singer is essentially Shitty's he's not he doesn't

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have talent, and as we'll see it kind of jobs

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with the Dave mcgallan type research that that this band

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is really just a front, like they get their real

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songs aren't even written by them. They're just a cut

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and paste, you know, product, And this.

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Speaker 3: Later onto the film that they didn't write any of

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Speaker 2: Getting kind of myself.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, I don't want to. I don't want

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to blow that scene yet because we'll talk about that

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a little bit later. So, yeah, so Jesus and the brides,

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and then the guy goes home and he's a he's

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sitting on his porch and he's got his cell phone,

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a cigarette, and some binoculars and he's checking out some.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's clearizing his hippie, open tittied neighbor who is

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feeding her birds. She's got a basically a zoo of

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birds on her balcony and feeding them bare breasted. Uh.

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And then he spy as the babe, right, the younger chick,

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and she's out by the pool dancing mystically, just dancing

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by herself for no reason, with her puppy dog. And

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so he starts, you know, thinking, all right, I'm gonna

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go for that. I'm gonna I'm gonna spit some game

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at her. I'm trying to think how he first meets her.

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she sees him voyeurizing. And so these are immediate references

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to rear Window Hitchcock, because you know, there's Jimmy Stewart

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characters broken. He's broken his leg, he's stuck in his apartment,

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so all he has to do all day is just

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basically watch all the other people in the apartments, and

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he gets into voyeurism. So that's a very Hitchcockian theme,

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the whole surveillance stuff. Let's see. He then max on

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the chick, right, so he bumps into her. He starts

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talking to her. She says, hey, come over. They smoke

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some weed. They watch an old movie, marily Monroe.

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Speaker 3: Movie, and she's kind of dressed up as like a

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Speaker 2: Who exactly she's the femme fatal exactly. Good point. Yeah,

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Monroe movie. I tell Jamie was like, hey, we should

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we should watch the movie that they're watching. And they're

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watching How to.

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Speaker 3: Marry a Millionaire Mary a Millionaire? Uh huh.

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Speaker 2: So that should have been a clue right away that

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this bitch is a thought dude. She ain't after your

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low level la apartment, She's after big money, right, And.

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Speaker 3: Did you notice that they have she has statues of

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Marilyn Monroe, James Jane Mansfield and whoever that other woman

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a card that will say Marilyn and then it'll have

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underneath it. It had some strange alphabet like some upside

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down te and some other symbols looked almost like English,

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but they were written in code. I didn't notice that

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till I was going through it right now taking out screenshots.

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Speaker 2: No, I missed that. So so she was already kind

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of learning to speak in the code cipher speak that

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the Elite.

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Speaker 3: U is basically, yeah, so I've got I've got the

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and it's yeah, it's the same cipher type language that

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James Garfield's character kind of discovers later on. I didn't

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Speaker 2: Okay, so that is interesting. So she she's basically trying

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to learn it. And then that's why when she leaves

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the apartment suddenly in the middle of the night, she

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leaves that symbol right mm hmm, yep, right, which is

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like two diamonds on their sides.

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Speaker 3: Basically yeah, and he doesn't know what any means. He

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goes trying to figure out what this symbol means.

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Speaker 2: Right, and so at the same time as all that's

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going down, he and he notices this weird pirate guy

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idiot hipster that dresses up like a pirate. Yeah, and

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he's like, who is that fucking weird dude? And he's like,

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why are all your friends so weird? And at the

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so he's having he's overdoing his rent. He can't pay

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his rent. He goes to the landlord. He's like, why

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did this chick move out in the middle of the night.

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The Landlord's like, because she wanted to move And he's like, yeah,

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but in the middle of the night. And he's like

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she moves she didn't like you get over it, and

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he's like, pay your rent. So this is an interesting

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because conspiracy theorists, right, they're always portrayed as the guys

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who can't pay the rent. They get obsessed with the conspiracy.

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over the apartment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, nothing going on in their life other than

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just this obsessive compulsive behavior, get conspiracizing everything in the world,

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and he doesn't necessarily fit all of those stereotypes, but

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he touches on him a little bit, right, He's like,

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Speaker 2: Well, he's gonna if you remember his buddy who he meets,

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who's the comic book artist, is the conspiracy theoris who's

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way down the rabbit hole. And he thinks that guy

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is a nutball, Like he's like, this guy's crazy. But

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as the film progresses, he starts going down that rabbit hole. Right.

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Speaker 3: So, and what's interesting is that the whole rabbit hole

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is like it's laid out so that it can lead

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the character progressively down his little you know, heroes journey

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of degeneracy and pop culture masturbatory, you know existence, you know,

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it's you know, he sees where where did he first

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see in a comic book or something it said that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he notices that his favorite favorite comic book has

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this artist has put out this comic about the Silver

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Lake and murders in the past, uh related to Hollywood

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in relationship to this lake that's that's near where he lives.

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but he also notice of too. This is two other

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points that so in the in the first chick's apartment,

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we see hearts and butterflies, which is imagery of like transformation,

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also sometimes connected to mind control. She sees fireworks and

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at one bizarre. So he doesn't understand what's up with

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this chick. She seems crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's watching her almost as if she's a television

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screen too. Right, look the way he interacts with her.

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I guess they don't have sex, but they kiss or something, right,

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or they they have something.

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Speaker 2: He wants to He thinks he's gonna get laid. And

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then she's like, oh, sorry, I gotta go, and you

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need to go. We'll hang out some other time. And

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he's like, uh. And they're eating crackers because they're stoned.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well they're they're having orange juice and like saltine crackers. Right,

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they're drinking like expensive drinks at these parties. And stuff, right,

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and then just you know, trash food but expensive liquor.

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but there's also kind of like he's interacting with these

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higher level, higher classes and much wealthier people, so people

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out of his leg. Now, he's not a broke his money.

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She's supporting him. So that's another kind of millennial thing,

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like he doesn't have a job, but his mom is

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sending him money for some reason. We don't know why.

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Speaker 3: Right. And then I like that scene actually when he's

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talking on the phone with his mom and he has

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no respect for her at all. Right, he's got a

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cigarette in his mouth, he's basically jerking off with binoculars,

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spying on his neighbors and just like yeah, mom, whatever, whatever, whatever,

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I love you. So I mean, and it's such a

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typical generational divide that's represented there with millennials. Right, just mom, dad,

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give me money so I can buy drugs, and yeah,

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pay my rent.

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Speaker 2: That's a great point. And yeah, and basically just you know,

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screw around, watch porn, you know, play video games, be

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nigh realistic, basically udonistic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hedonism is a major theme in both of these films.

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And that one chick that he meets later, well, we'll

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talk about this later. Go ahead. It seems like you've

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got a really good outline right now of the film.

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Speaker 2: So uh, let's see. So so we he notices too,

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this weird news clip of a billionaire who has supposedly

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died or gone missing, and he has a TV show

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and he wasn't just a billionaire who's also a kind

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of evil can evil you know, super Dave type character

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who I don't know, did some kind of jumps over

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buses and shit. But he's gone missing or he's kidnapped,

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we don't know. So he puts that in the back

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of his mind. He doesn't know what's going on yet,

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but it's probably connected. If you look at the films,

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and if you look at his posters, they're all old Hollywood.

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So his apartment is full of old movie posters, everything

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from Wolfman to Hitchcock to to all kinds of classic Hollywood.

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Speaker 3: Then let's see, Well, he's got the he's got the

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faces on the wall to the plaster cast.

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Speaker 2: Face that was the conspiracy theorist.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, no, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, but I'm just saying you're right though that

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when you were talking about him interacting with her almost

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like she's on a TV screen. He sees it that way.

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It's because he's he's viewing the world like it's a movie.

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Like it's like it's a virtual you know, Hollywood presentation,

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something like a video game. The movie itself is like

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a video game quest basically, hence the Zelder references later on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and also he wears, you know, his video game shirt. Right,

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He's got a shirt and it's a character swimming in

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the water and there's a shark underneath. I think that's

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what the shirt is. There's a shark underneath it. And

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then it says, you know, one hundred points on the

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person that's swimming across ah across the top, you know,

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he's just about to be consumed by this creature that

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lurks beneath.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well that's see. Now you've noticed a whole bunch

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of things. I didn't even notice, and I gave it

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two viewings and still missed quite a bit of the references,

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so that there's a lot here. Uh, let's see, I've

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got to notice says silver Lake A it was an

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old silent film studio. So it goes there's this ghostly

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pass back to the to the early days of Hollywood. Uh,

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and then he's he's he's reading his comic book and

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the comic books based around these murders that happened a

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long time ago, and there's a reference to it said

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this phrase, no one will ever be happy until all

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of the dogs are dead. So we keep seeing this

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reference to the need for the dogs to die. There

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was a reference to stunt dogs and in this story,

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some some actor killed a dog because he got mad

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and jealous that the dog the dog was getting more

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screen time than he was. In this old in the

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comic books referencing like the twenties, and it's telling this

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story about some actor that got upstaged by some stupid

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dog and so he killed the dog.

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Speaker 3: That's kind of a weird. Yeah, that's interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's this mythology of the dog killer, but

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we don't know why it's being put on graffiti everywhere

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in the present day.

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Speaker 3: But it also, I mean it puts on the same

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level the dog and the actors and the people. Right

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basically trained.

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Speaker 2: Dogs are in fact. Yeah, what you'll notice there's a

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few scenes where the thoughts, all the millennial thoughts bitches

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start barking. They're essentially the dogs. I think they bark.

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Speaker 3: At him, right, they're barking at They throw him down

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in the bathroom. One of them spits in his face,

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and then they start barking at him.

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Speaker 2: Let's see, So is it cursed? Is the Silver Lake Edendale?

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Is it cursed? He has a dream of a dog

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killer in the park. But and keep in mind he's

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got Wolfman posters on his wall, Wolfman rear window, Dracula.

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And then the two the two squares that are the

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symbols that she's left in her room are very they're

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almost exactly the same as the twin peaks symbols. About

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that reference the colts out in the woods.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's interesting. I didn't notice that. But there are

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a lot of David Lynch references in the movie too. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Right, so we know there's some kind of something cultic

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going on in the background. We don't exactly know what yet.

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But he goes to this party. They call it Purgatory.

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The party is called purgatory. I'm not sure what to

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make of that, but there is a very conspicuous all

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sing eye at the party. So we're gonna be littered

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with the all seeing eye imagery, classic conspiracy, you know,

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all Egypt, you know, Pharaoh, that kind of stuff, and

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that's gonna be the essentially the crux of the film

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is spoiler alert, it's going to be about Egyptian mystery religion. Essentially,

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that's the crux of it. But so yeah, so the

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women are barking at him like dogs, and then he

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leaves this party. He's trying to get information on what's

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going on and he can't figure out where this this

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chick disappeared to. He's kind of infatuated whe her, and

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then he finds out that the daughter of the billionaire

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who went missing is hanging out at these parties too,

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so he's thinking, oh, maybe I can talk to her,

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but he doesn't get a chance to the bitches in

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the bathroom throw him down and bark at him, like

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you said.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got that screenshot of the crazy chicks. They

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all have pink wigs, like pink hair, and they're kind

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of dressed up like the crazy feminist chicks.

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Speaker 2: So then uh he he overhears these the brides of Dracula,

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who are the women in the stupid pop band talking

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about sleeping with Jesus. Who's the idiot pop band leader guy.

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And so the clue here is that these women are

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all essentially prostitutes. They're all they're all, They're all they're

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in it for is status, climbing and money. And I

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think the irony here is that he doesn't pick up

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on this, this girl that he's infatuated with. He's not

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picking up on the fact that she's just one of

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these same thought nuts. Yeah, she's these same o's, but

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he's really thinking, oh, you know, I can, I can.

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I can still put my time and energy into the

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quest like you know link and I can say Princess

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Zelda or something. Then we get this weird reference to

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the owl and the owls kiss because he he's got

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all these questions, so he tracks down his conspiracy theory buddy.

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Well they become buddies. He's the guy who draws a

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comic book, and this conspiracy theory guy is like way

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down the rabbit hole. If you look in his room,

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there's every kind of conspiracy you can think of, everything

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ufo aliens, templars, little figurines of Zelda.

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Speaker 3: We've got a lot of owls in there too, ye.

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Speaker 2: Owls yeah, And so Bohemian Grove references start coming to

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the four and he's intrigued by the conspiracy guy's thoughts,

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but he also starts thinking he's nuts because the conspiracy

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guy has taken it so far that he's actually referencing,

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like you said, pop culture crap food, like it's supposed

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to be flint stone cereal, but it's space stones, right.

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So he's like, he's there's these messages that are on

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the boxes of cereal, and he's like, this guy's like, this.

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Speaker 3: Guy's yeah, yeah. The message it says something like, uh,

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I think all everything I've been lurking looking for my

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whole life I believe is on this map. And he

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shows the map on the back of this stupid box

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of box, which is so funny. But it's like, I mean,

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you see this a lot in pop culture now, and

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even in the whole conspiracy world. Remember all the uh

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you know, like the syncro mysticism videos and stuff. Back

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in like twenty twelve, people were getting really into finding

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these weird pop culture references and basically and people started

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trying to make predictions about future events by watching television

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and pop culture, which is so funny. They thought in

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this like realm of like the whole conspiracy world, these

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people were you know, they thought they were you know,

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tapping into something so prophetic. But yeah, yeah, what do

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you think about that about the hell phenomenon back in

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the day. I don't know if people still do it,

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but that was huge.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's obviously it's a way to look

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silly because we don't don't always know what is intentional

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and what's not. I mean, I think looking back, it's

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easier to figure out. Okay, there were quite a few

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references to nine to eleven in pop culture, but yeah,

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I mean, that's no guarantee that you're going to infallibly

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interpret the phenomenon in pop culture. And a lot of

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things in pop culture aren't intentional. They're just coincidence or

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they're they're put there, yeah, by artists creativity, but sometimes

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there is predictive programming. So but again, you know, unless

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you know for sure the the intention of the people

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who put it in there, it's not really any way

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to know with certainty, you know, what the what the

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meaning is. But yeah, it does, it does. Yeah, it

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recalls that you know, Lauren Coleman's blog Synchronisticism. He got

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pretty popular for a while, and even Hoffman and his

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book talks about mystical toponymy about names and if you've

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ever heard of James Shelby Downard, he wrote a whole

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book about this very thing anyway.

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Speaker 3: So you know, it's another funny thing. In the same

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scene or in the same sequence when they start going

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over the plaster faces in the wall and the guy,

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the character or the actor who plays this character is

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the same guy that was in We'll holand Drive that

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plays that in the last scene in the before that

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like weird monster bum thing pops out in the very

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last scene. So I thought that was a weird reference.

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And he's kind of a similar character, right with the

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weird eyes and the you know, just bugging out, tripping

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out about Well.

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Speaker 2: This is another parallel to to Twin Peaks and Lynch stuff.

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You're right, is is the hoboes. Hoboes are a network,

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Hoboes have a king, and David Lynch. There's hobo demons, right,

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Hobo goblins pretty consistently throughout David Lynch stuff. So that's

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I think intentional. That was a did.

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Speaker 3: You catch the weird part when he says, there's Johnny

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Depp's face right next to Grace Kelly.

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Speaker 2: What did you make of that?

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what to make of it, right, So

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I'm not let me look into this. I looked into

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Grace Kelly before, but it was just weird. They pause

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for about ten seconds showing Johnny Depp's face and Grace Kelly,

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and they both kind of got a little bit tripped

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out by it.

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Speaker 2: Well, she was she was murdered by the by the elite.

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It's pretty certain.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's it. She was the princess of Monaco, right, She.

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Speaker 2: Was dating the Prince of Monaco, and there was some

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he had held back money that had to do with diamonds,

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so he was involved in some shady diamond stuff and

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the elite sent him a message.

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Speaker 3: I just thought it was so strange because you know,

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Johnny Depp, I mean, when when you look at like

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kind of where he's at today and all the weird

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stories about him, the Viper Room and his connections with

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oh Hunter Thompson, you know, I mean, he was obsessed

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with Hunter Thompson, really really close with him. Basically, you know,

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he just hit the shattered Psyche of Johnny Depp is

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kind of like the quintessential, you know, child star. You know,

467
00:23:52,079 --> 00:23:53,920
he wasn't one of these kids stars who was around

468
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,119
Hollywood for a long time. I just thought it was

469
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:01,759
a weird reference, you know, to obviously possible human sacrifice

470
00:24:01,759 --> 00:24:04,240
stuff that people talking about Grace Kelly and then Johnny

471
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,759
Dett being involved in a lot of these weird things

472
00:24:05,759 --> 00:24:10,160
with River Phoenix and stuff too. I don't know what

473
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,799
to make of it. It's just it seems like they

474
00:24:11,799 --> 00:24:15,160
were just trying to bait people to kind of think

475
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,279
about these things.

476
00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:20,599
Speaker 2: So he received he gets this cookie at this party

477
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:25,440
and says, hey, come to the Brides of Dracula performance.

478
00:24:25,759 --> 00:24:29,160
We're playing in a tomb. So they're actually gonna have

479
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,599
the band's going to play in a tomb. But to

480
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,799
get into this party, he has to eat this cookie.

481
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,279
And it's a cookie that has the number seventy six

482
00:24:39,319 --> 00:24:42,319
on it. So I'm not seventeen seventy six, and I'm

483
00:24:42,319 --> 00:24:44,680
not exactly sure what the point of the seventy six was.

484
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,720
The logo seventy six Oil Wool Company or whatever.

485
00:24:47,759 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 3: Well, in California, there's seventy six gas stations everywhere too.

486
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 2: So right, that's why I'm in the gas station ole company.

487
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:03,079
Let's see the billionaire. It turns out he was supposedly

488
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,359
burned up in a car wreck. They found his car

489
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,559
and there's a hat there and it's the hat of

490
00:25:08,599 --> 00:25:11,400
the chick. It's on the news clip. They find this

491
00:25:11,519 --> 00:25:13,599
hat and it's the hat of the girl that he

492
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,599
was first infatuated with. So now he starts to be

493
00:25:16,599 --> 00:25:19,480
freaked out because he's like, whoa this chick that I

494
00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:22,160
was trying to make it with, she's actually, you know,

495
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,119
hanging out with this billionaire that supposedly just died. So

496
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,039
this is crazy what's going on. He's like, I didn't

497
00:25:28,039 --> 00:25:31,759
even know that I was hanging out with this hoe

498
00:25:31,799 --> 00:25:35,480
of the billionaire. So anyway, but I've forgotten too. The

499
00:25:35,519 --> 00:25:38,039
other thing about the conspiracy theorist is that he tells

500
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,359
Andrew Garfield says, watch out for the owl's kiss, and

501
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:44,759
he doesn't know what that is, but it's some kind

502
00:25:44,759 --> 00:25:48,279
of assassin or something kind of spirit or killer. And

503
00:25:48,319 --> 00:25:53,160
he says, anybody who sees the owl, they know they're

504
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,039
going to be dying soon.

505
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,039
Speaker 3: It was a pretty blatant Twin Peaks kind of reference.

506
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,799
Speaker 2: Right, there is, and then he which and also beheman

507
00:25:59,799 --> 00:26:01,480
great over and then he's and then he shows him

508
00:26:01,519 --> 00:26:03,079
the owl on the dollar bill. He's like, look at

509
00:26:03,079 --> 00:26:06,000
our dollar bill. It has a has an owl on it, right,

510
00:26:06,079 --> 00:26:08,440
which has the all seeing eye on it too. But uh,

511
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,359
and there is there really is the owl on the

512
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,880
dollar bill is true and that's why DC has that owl. Owl.

513
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:19,119
Imagery and owls are obviously, you know, they're kind of

514
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,000
classic symbols for spooks. I mean, not just spooks in

515
00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:23,799
the sense of ghosts and demons and the way it's

516
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,599
using twin peaks intelligence. But they're intelligent because they sit

517
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:32,440
back and they watch exactly. I'm not sure what to

518
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,880
make up the Janet Gainer stuff about how he's his

519
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,720
mom loves this actress, Janet Gainer and and she's her favorite,

520
00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:44,759
and that comes up a little bit later after this

521
00:26:44,759 --> 00:26:48,359
this uh band performance that he goes to. But the

522
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,000
reason I'm bringing up the band performance is because he

523
00:26:51,079 --> 00:26:54,079
meets another thought at this party who was dancing with

524
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,599
balloons and acting all idiotic. Uh. He eats this cookie

525
00:26:57,839 --> 00:26:59,880
because he said he was told that's how you get

526
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:01,559
in the party is you have to eat the cookie. Well,

527
00:27:01,559 --> 00:27:03,200
it turns out you're just supposed to take a bite

528
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,519
of the cookie, and it's like a really heavy dose

529
00:27:05,599 --> 00:27:05,960
of I.

530
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,279
Speaker 3: Don't know, yeah, some sort of hall heavy or something.

531
00:27:09,559 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 2: Some yeah, some heavy drugs. So he gets blowed out

532
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,240
of his mind and he's trying to score with his chick,

533
00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:17,359
but he can't because he's so ends up being so

534
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,240
messed up. And what do you think.

535
00:27:20,079 --> 00:27:22,279
Speaker 3: About the red balloon? And like the whole the chicks

536
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,200
kind of appears. I got a picture ever pulled up.

537
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,400
I thought that it was a very Masonic building that

538
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,599
they go into. It's kind of like this initiation. Then

539
00:27:28,599 --> 00:27:31,799
they go underground, right, so it's like the first.

540
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,039
Speaker 2: Oh yeah it is. It's I mean the party that

541
00:27:34,079 --> 00:27:36,039
he was just at was called purgatory, and then he's

542
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,839
underground in this tomb, so it's the underworld. It's supposed

543
00:27:39,839 --> 00:27:40,599
to be the realm of the dad.

544
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 3: Did you see the table they sit at is shaped

545
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,039
like a heart, but it's a tombstone and it says

546
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,200
Jane Mansfield on it.

547
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:48,799
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't see that.

548
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,799
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, I was pausive and try to figure out

549
00:27:51,799 --> 00:27:53,160
some of the references and some of this stuff. And

550
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,599
right before that, when he before he goes to the party.

551
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,519
He's talking to the guy in the weird Indian suit

552
00:27:57,759 --> 00:28:00,079
and there in front of this giant tombstone that says hitch.

553
00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: On it ah. Now, and of course Jane Mansfield being

554
00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:06,039
in the Church of Satan, so that one's that one's

555
00:28:06,079 --> 00:28:07,240
an interesting reference there.

556
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:07,559
Speaker 4: Yeah.

557
00:28:07,599 --> 00:28:09,799
Speaker 3: And the chick she's got like a bedie in her eye.

558
00:28:09,839 --> 00:28:12,799
She's got like a little her cute glittery plastic fake

559
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,799
jewel for her third eye. You know, it's like this

560
00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:18,240
whole you know, fake, fake spiritual thing. And then they're talking.

561
00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 2: Now this is crucial, Yeah, because the the the thoughts

562
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,960
in the movie are bought into the ascension consciousness cult

563
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,160
that's going to be referenced at the end. Did you

564
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:28,599
catch that?

565
00:28:28,759 --> 00:28:30,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, no, And that's that's kind of a

566
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:31,960
freakier part about it.

567
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, but so the girls all believe that they're

568
00:28:35,759 --> 00:28:39,240
part of this secret elite network that's going to ascend,

569
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:40,359
which we'll see later.

570
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,759
Speaker 3: But so and she says, this girl says to him

571
00:28:44,759 --> 00:28:47,480
when they're down there, you know, we we've only got

572
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,519
one life. It's just so small. Don't waste your time

573
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,359
thinking about things that don't matter we have our bodies. Yeah,

574
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,680
unless we can just fuck. Yeah, she says, had a

575
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,480
couple of times this really awkward way. And then she

576
00:28:58,519 --> 00:29:01,599
blows up a balloon at a red blue tree. She

577
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,200
blows it up, like when she's talking about not wasting

578
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,160
your energy on futile things. She pulls a fucking plastic

579
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,240
balloon from her shirt and blows it up and then

580
00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:12,039
pops it with a cigarette. And then they go and

581
00:29:12,079 --> 00:29:13,519
then they go dance to an R. E. M.

582
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: Song.

583
00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:17,079
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I don't forget what song it was.

584
00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 4: And then in the middle of the dance, she goes,

585
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:19,920
we should fuck.

586
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,359
Speaker 2: I just took out as millennial weirdness.

587
00:29:24,599 --> 00:29:27,039
Speaker 3: This is the millennial dating ritual right here, right like

588
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:32,279
meat at a stupid party, consume some drugs.

589
00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 4: I have fruity pebbles at my house. You go the

590
00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:40,240
fucking we get eat them. Let's go out to the

591
00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:42,440
Let's go to my Little Pony.

592
00:29:46,519 --> 00:29:50,519
Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah, that's part of what makes the film appealing

593
00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:53,240
is the weirdness of all the millennial pop culture.

594
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,279
Speaker 3: It's so funny the way they interact with each other,

595
00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:57,480
and like the the disc on them.

596
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:58,519
Speaker 2: Everything is awkward.

597
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And he's always so stoned. He's always Andrew

598
00:30:01,599 --> 00:30:04,079
Garfield's character has always just blazed out of his mind.

599
00:30:04,119 --> 00:30:06,759
His eyes are like half closed and he's like mumbling,

600
00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:08,720
always into senses.

601
00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 2: He uh uh wakes up after kind of blacking out

602
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,720
after being drugged at this party the next day in

603
00:30:16,759 --> 00:30:20,720
this graveyard and he talks to his mom. She mentions

604
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:26,440
movies and Janet Gainer, this actress from the old days

605
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:27,799
of Hollywood. By the way I looked her up, she

606
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,480
was in uh, how to Be a Star or how

607
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,359
to Spot a Star, something about women becoming stars in Hollywood.

608
00:30:35,359 --> 00:30:39,279
Basically it's her is her big famous movie and then

609
00:30:39,319 --> 00:30:43,000
she so in other words, that's hinting at all of

610
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,240
these hose around him, is they think they're going to

611
00:30:46,319 --> 00:30:49,000
be stars. They're trying to climb that ladder and it's

612
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:52,440
all essentially run by a giant colt. Uh and the

613
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:53,880
only way that you get to the top is basically

614
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,880
being a prostitute. And we're starting to learn that. Oh wait,

615
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,839
turns out a lot of the A list actresses basically

616
00:30:59,839 --> 00:31:01,599
just slept their way to the top. This is part

617
00:31:01,599 --> 00:31:03,200
of the whole Weinstein stuff right.

618
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,759
Speaker 3: Right right, and this is all coming out this film

619
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:08,000
just came out during all this madness too. And all

620
00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:10,519
the girls he's been talking to he finds he sees

621
00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:11,759
a few of them in movies.

622
00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 2: Right.

623
00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 3: He ends up like, and everyone's trying to get parts, right,

624
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,960
it's just the la scene. Everyone's trying to get recognized,

625
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,799
get attention, but everybody's just totally lost, has no idea

626
00:31:19,799 --> 00:31:22,599
who they are, what they're about. They have no values,

627
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:23,359
no morals.

628
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 5: Uh.

629
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 3: The only like references to uh, you know, Christianity or blasphemous.

630
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,200
It's you know, Jesus is uh is the head of

631
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,599
this vampire band. And it's just it's just totally twisted

632
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,799
reality that they're living in. And yeah, all you're right,

633
00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:40,000
all the all the female characters in this movie were

634
00:31:40,039 --> 00:31:42,119
literal prostitutes, you find out.

635
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,839
Speaker 2: Well, that's what he So when he that night he

636
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,440
leaves the graveyard, he goes to this party, which again

637
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,359
is that a graveyard, which is interesting because they're doing

638
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,440
a the hipsters are doing an independent movie showing at

639
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,400
the graveyard, and so everybody's just kind of hanging out

640
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,720
and chilling and he's watching the movie and he sees

641
00:31:58,759 --> 00:32:03,279
these these you know, mediocre actresses in this independent film

642
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:06,680
and he looks over at these this that pirate, that

643
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,000
goofy pirate dude that he saw at the beginning at

644
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:12,319
the party of the chicks apartment, and he's got these

645
00:32:12,319 --> 00:32:15,599
two hose on his arm, and he's like, wait a minute,

646
00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:18,160
he said, that's the chicks from the movie. So he's noticing,

647
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,359
like you said, he's starting to see all these are

648
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,440
people in ads. He sees a girl on a billboard,

649
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:25,960
he meets her at a party. He sees these hose

650
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,839
in this you know, in this movie, So like you said,

651
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,559
they're they're all in trying to get in the scene,

652
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,880
get attention, get noticed, and big surprise, turns out they're

653
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:40,000
also prostitutes. He's pleasuring himself later in the movie, raunchy scene,

654
00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:42,640
but he notices in one of the dirty mags he's got,

655
00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:46,720
he sees this ad for escorts and it was the

656
00:32:46,839 --> 00:32:48,880
chick that was in the independent movie who was also

657
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:51,119
the hoe of the pirate.

658
00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and the sequence that leads up to it,

659
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,240
it's so it's the perfect like the whole millennial's reality, right.

660
00:32:57,279 --> 00:32:59,799
So he goes home, he's like stoned, playing Mario with

661
00:32:59,839 --> 00:33:02,720
his friend and his friend's got a fedora on he's

662
00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:04,839
a pull up a screener. I've got the uh.

663
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: He's the total skeptic Fedora hipster. I mean, Fedoras are

664
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,720
the atheist retards, but for all intents and purposes, the

665
00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:14,559
same type of dude.

666
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, he's like the standard hipster guy. He's got

667
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,519
this lame little tattoo on his arm and stuff, and

668
00:33:19,559 --> 00:33:23,920
he's playing Mario. He's got the glasses and he's got,

669
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,960
you know, some video game themed sweatshirt. And the dude's

670
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,960
laying there, he's stoned, and he's he's reading through this

671
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,200
book about like code breaking or something like that.

672
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, he starts reading about ciphers and codes because he's

673
00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:42,319
heard that the vampires have a a backmasking, subliminal message

674
00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:44,400
in one of their records, one of their songs.

675
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,599
Speaker 3: And then he starts listening to the song backwards.

676
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 2: He starts listening. He's intrigued with the idea, and so

677
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,720
he's reading about ciphers and codes and he finds out, oh,

678
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,920
this is a real thing. There really are ciphers and codes.

679
00:33:55,799 --> 00:33:57,720
And there's this important scene that a lot of people

680
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,720
forgot because he got squirted by a skunk when he

681
00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:01,880
was out doing his investigations, which is kind of funny

682
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,839
because he keeps stinking all throughout the movie. He smells

683
00:34:03,839 --> 00:34:04,599
like shit, even.

684
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 3: Before he got scored him got by the skunk. Did

685
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,760
you notice that there they introduced the theme of him

686
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,880
smelling or everything smelling in his apartment even before the

687
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,119
squnt the skunk's did.

688
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:19,039
Speaker 2: That's funny? Yeah, So he he uh uh. He gets

689
00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:20,760
squared by the skunk, and then and he's having to

690
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,199
wash the tomato juice and his halfway girlfriend that's this

691
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,400
actress that he's just sleeping with, shows up. She comes

692
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,360
over and she's like, and she had noticed too when

693
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,559
she was there a few nights before that. He has

694
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:34,679
these notebooks by his bed where he's been writing about

695
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,719
codes in pop culture, but he's scared to tell anybody

696
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,679
because he thinks, you know, they're gonna think I'm crazy,

697
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,880
so he keeps it to himself. So then he decides

698
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,400
to divulge this to her because he's noticed a lot

699
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,440
more things. He's like, do you ever think that the elite,

700
00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:49,719
you know, live completely different and they speak to one

701
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,639
another in codes? And maybe all this stuff in pop

702
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:55,559
culture is actually about something else, It's not just you know,

703
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,719
pop culture, it's also sending a message, and maybe there's

704
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,960
meanings being bad and and maybe you know, rich people

705
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:03,800
actually run shit.

706
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 6: And she's like, yes, don't you just.

707
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,199
Speaker 3: Want to fuck and eat saltines and drink orange juice.

708
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: So he can't tell anybody because you know, he knows

709
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,039
it sounds crazy. But he's getting deeper and deeper and

710
00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:22,920
deeper down this rabbit hole, and it is eventually going

711
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:28,079
to completely obsess him. Pop culture and mainstream media are

712
00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:31,320
coded languages that operate on multiple levels, so he starts

713
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,639
noticing predictive programming. He says, maybe rich people actually know things,

714
00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:36,840
and they know more than we do, and we don't

715
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,519
know shit. That's what he tells her, and she's like, yeah, whatever,

716
00:35:39,519 --> 00:35:46,320
you're insane. Let's see then we introduce the hobo characters sorright.

717
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,679
So after all this, he starts tracking down this message

718
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,960
that's in the songs of this dumb band. And I

719
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,119
forget how he breaks it, but it's something to do

720
00:35:57,199 --> 00:36:00,280
with like the different chords on the in the song

721
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,119
correspond to letters or something like that.

722
00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it's some kind of schizophrenic sounding,

723
00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:07,480
you know. Yeah, the thing and what I thought was

724
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,360
funny is when he had his revelation, Like his whole

725
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,760
revelation thing is all tied in with him masturbating.

726
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,159
Speaker 2: Right, So that was weird.

727
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like the millennials version of like their satanic

728
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,360
you know, divine revelation comes through them masturbating sex magic. Yeah,

729
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:24,039
pop culture.

730
00:36:24,039 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 2: In fact, Croley even said that the masturbation should be

731
00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:30,800
uh direct at energy and sex magic. So it's not

732
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,440
just pleasure. You're supposed to get, you know, enlightenment and

733
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,320
revelation out of even masturbation.

734
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 3: So and when he's jerking off, he's got a here,

735
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,239
got a screen pulled up right here, He's got Kurt

736
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,599
Cobain poster right behind him, which is uh. I just

737
00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:45,519
always think that's interest. There's a lot of Kirk Cobain references.

738
00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:48,079
Speaker 2: There are because he's he's a big fan of Nirvana

739
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:51,440
and Kirk Cobain. He almost idolizes them. And that's that's

740
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,639
relevant because when he gets to the old rich Man,

741
00:36:55,039 --> 00:36:57,079
the old rich Man is going to shatter his idols.

742
00:36:57,119 --> 00:36:59,719
He's going to tell him that his idols didn't even

743
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,280
write their own songs. Yeah.

744
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, so's he's jerking off And I just thought it

745
00:37:03,199 --> 00:37:05,119
was so funny. The pictures he's jerking off to. It's

746
00:37:05,199 --> 00:37:08,960
just all these old magazines and like just weird picture people.

747
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,519
He's got People magazine, He's got this old version of

748
00:37:11,559 --> 00:37:14,199
this old playboy that I guess he says earlier that

749
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,599
it was his first porn or something like that. Right,

750
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,840
so he's got this mythologized you know, pornography thing in

751
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,760
his mind. And uh, you know, his his revelations come

752
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,880
when he's jerking off to pop culture, you know, trash

753
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,760
magazines that are just sitting there on his h.

754
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 2: That is an interesting point. So it's almost like pop

755
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,480
culture self is masturbatory. It doesn't even have any meaning

756
00:37:35,559 --> 00:37:42,360
beyond just completely sterile, empty wastefulness basically.

757
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, and I guess you know that's his procreative energy, right,

758
00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:49,039
Like this energy could be using to you know, find

759
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:52,559
a wife, to make children, to you know, make his

760
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,880
you know, maybe improve on his culture, try and you know,

761
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,079
somehow be a you know, a reasonable or not reasonable,

762
00:37:58,119 --> 00:38:00,840
but a you know, a virtuous person. It's just it

763
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,280
all gets used for chasing women, getting his car back,

764
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,840
and getting money, and you know, just this weird chasing

765
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:13,360
down of this esoteric illusion in pop culture that it

766
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,239
ends it ends like in him figuring like almost being human,

767
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,079
sacrificed himself, right, Actually, his whole journey ends up in

768
00:38:21,159 --> 00:38:22,760
him almost giving.

769
00:38:24,199 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's the thing is is is if

770
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:31,000
you he idolizes these people who are these mavens of

771
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,280
pop culture. And so he's in the scene, he's hanging

772
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,559
out with people in the scene. He's realizing they're all ridiculous.

773
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,199
He's realizing they're basically just prostitutes. And so he's starting

774
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:46,280
to see that the the the star making machinery is

775
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,519
a giant, you know, apparatus that creates this stuff. It's

776
00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:55,079
not actually genius musicians who you know, just rise to

777
00:38:55,159 --> 00:38:58,440
the top because of their amazing phenomenal talent, right right,

778
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,079
that's the mythology that that's good crushed here. And so

779
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,840
he's realizing it's not just about his musicians that he likes,

780
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,000
but it's also about you know, the actors and the

781
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,320
actresses in these films that he likes. So he's he's

782
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,360
realizing this codes are real. He doesn't know what to do.

783
00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:16,719
Our world is full of these codes. He starts noticing

784
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:21,320
it everywhere, billboards, video games. He's starting to see symbols codes. Right,

785
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,320
so he's awakened in a sense.

786
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,679
Speaker 3: The Nintendo Power magazine becomes his another one of his

787
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,199
ciphers too. So it's just just all pop culture is

788
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,320
leading him down this path to some sort of an

789
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,119
ultimate end in some sort of realization.

790
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 2: I can't read my notes here in a couple of

791
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:45,280
these places, but so basically, yeah, so what this cipher

792
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,039
tells him to do, Oh, this is the Griffith Observatory,

793
00:39:48,039 --> 00:39:51,519
so this is important. So the cipher tells him, if

794
00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:54,199
you figure this out, go to the Griffith Observatory and

795
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,559
rub the head of Newton which is a statue of

796
00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:00,880
bust of Newton there or or is it James Dean?

797
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:01,639
Speaker 3: It's James Dean.

798
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,559
Speaker 2: Okay, that's right, Yeah, And I've been to that. And

799
00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:06,360
if you go to the grip of Observatory. What's weird

800
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,360
about it is that the whole thing is super Masonic,

801
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,119
like it's super occultic. Everything about the architecture of the symbolism,

802
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,239
the whole thing is is mega Masonic. So I thought

803
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,280
that was significant. So he goes there, he rubs ahead

804
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,840
of James Dean and this hobo shows up. Who's the

805
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,079
King of the hoboes, and he doesn't know what to do.

806
00:40:23,199 --> 00:40:26,079
He's like, what is this real? The hobo says, put

807
00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:30,360
your blindfold on. Masonic blindfold, right. The hobo leads him

808
00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:35,320
to a bomb shelter underground and locks him in there.

809
00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:39,199
So he's underneath La. And by the way, there are

810
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,519
reportedly tunnels all under LA. But so he's under there

811
00:40:43,519 --> 00:40:44,039
and he doesn't know it.

812
00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:46,039
Speaker 3: Blindfolds him right, just like you know, this kind of

813
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:50,320
Masonic initiation. And right then they see that they see

814
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,760
a coyote on the way, right, or he hears the cot.

815
00:40:53,639 --> 00:40:57,079
Speaker 2: He says, the coyotes. We follow the coyotes because they

816
00:40:57,079 --> 00:41:00,280
tell us more than anybody else, or something like the

817
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:01,079
codes are here.

818
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 3: To help us spiritual animals. It's got this kind of

819
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,199
like hokey spirituality.

820
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 2: That it's this weird animistic, very sort of simple pagan

821
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,679
type view. But that will come up later with with

822
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,840
the with the elite, the billionaires. But so he realizes

823
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,199
down there that there's this giant all seeing eye above

824
00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:22,400
this bomb shelter underground. He's like, what is this And

825
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,639
it turns out it's just an old bomb shelter that's

826
00:41:24,679 --> 00:41:31,480
being renovated for somebody to live down there. So he's like, what,

827
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,480
So he follows this this hallway and he crawls up

828
00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:37,280
and he doesn't he crawl out of the coffee shop

829
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,119
at the beginning, I think there's like he finds this.

830
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, the bomb shelter's weird because there's plastic all

831
00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:46,840
over it, right, there's like it's got these plastic covered

832
00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:51,719
I've got it pulled up here.

833
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 2: It's being renovated for another billionaire to go down there.

834
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 3: And there's toilets. There's like five toilets in a row

835
00:41:57,519 --> 00:41:59,440
at the end of the room.

836
00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 2: It's just really weird because each each billionaire has like

837
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:08,400
three or four wives, right right. So so he's like,

838
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,880
so there's an old bomb shoulder just being renovated. I

839
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,679
don't get it. He crawls out. Uh, there's a secret

840
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,800
exit passage that I think lets him out in the

841
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,400
coffee shop that we see at the.

842
00:42:18,119 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 3: There's a passage. But it's kind of like it reminds

843
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,320
me of those old nineties videos remember with like exploring

844
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,800
the Pyramids, like finding the secret chamber. It looks like

845
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,480
he's you know, climbing climbing to the King's chamber of

846
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:29,760
the pyramid or something like that.

847
00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he just comes up out of the like

848
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,599
the kitchen in a in a stupid coffee shop. It's

849
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:37,639
like it's like it's very cartoonish in that regard.

850
00:42:37,679 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 3: But he comes out and it's and it's he's behind

851
00:42:41,519 --> 00:42:43,519
I've got to pull the right now. He comes out

852
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,119
and he's in the milk aisle of like a convenience store.

853
00:42:46,599 --> 00:42:48,159
Speaker 2: Oh it's okay, okay, so.

854
00:42:48,119 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 3: And then he grabs and this is another like one

855
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,559
of the only scenes where somebody you know, consumes food.

856
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,559
He steals. He opens up the milk and drinks the

857
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:58,679
you know, the milk from the display there, and then

858
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,360
he and he takes off.

859
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:07,679
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's see we're progressing here. So he discovers

860
00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:11,239
oh yeah, this is where he gets the part where

861
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,440
he calls his buddy and he's like, turns out the

862
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,599
conspiracy theorist has been killed. And he goes and he

863
00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:19,920
looks at the conspiracy theorists surveillance cameras because he had

864
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,280
them all set up, and the surveillance camera caught the

865
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:28,320
owl this owl headed woman who shows up and supposedly,

866
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,159
if she gives you a kiss, that means you're about

867
00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:33,960
to die. So he's assassinated basically by whoever's running shit.

868
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 3: She kind looks like an Egyptian deity or something.

869
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 2: Right, she looks like, yeah, exactly, an owl headed deity

870
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:44,280
of some kind. And then uh so he starts getting

871
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,280
friked out because he thinks, oh, you know, they're gonna

872
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,800
know about me. He calls his buddy who's Who's a

873
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,559
scene guy, one of the guys in the scene, and

874
00:43:51,559 --> 00:43:53,559
he's like, hey, can you get me in touch with

875
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,000
the Seven Brides singer. He's like, I need to ask

876
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,639
some questions. He's like, yeah, we're having We're having a

877
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,440
chess party. Everybody's getting sucked up and playing chess, so

878
00:44:02,519 --> 00:44:06,079
come on over. So they go. They go to the

879
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:08,039
the party, and everybody at this party is all the

880
00:44:08,039 --> 00:44:10,079
people he's been seeing the entire time throughout the movie.

881
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:12,639
So it's all these hoes and thoughts from the rest

882
00:44:12,679 --> 00:44:15,199
of the movie. You're at this party. They're all playing chess,

883
00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:20,000
which is just to be ironic, and then he punches

884
00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:23,000
Dracula in the bathroom. We see the poop and he's like,

885
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,039
who wrote your who wrote your song? He's like, I

886
00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:27,079
don't write my song. He's like it's just a company

887
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:28,559
gives us those and they tell us what to do.

888
00:44:29,079 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 3: Oh no, I think he says something like, I wrote

889
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,480
some of the songs, but all the ones, not the hits,

890
00:44:34,519 --> 00:44:36,320
all the hits, they they just told me what's right,

891
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:37,639
Like they told me, you know, they told me how

892
00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:39,440
to perform it. I don't I don't do nothing. I

893
00:44:39,519 --> 00:44:43,280
don't know nothing. And he's very he's very weak. And

894
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,760
and you know this character, he's not like this powerful,

895
00:44:46,119 --> 00:44:47,079
you know, he's a fraud.

896
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's basically just an actor, basically.

897
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's portrayed on the the media in this film,

898
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:58,000
he's portrayed as this like amazing esoteric, like badass like rattle,

899
00:44:58,159 --> 00:45:01,559
like so satanic and so sick. But he's just he's

900
00:45:01,559 --> 00:45:02,199
just a pussy.

901
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:10,199
Speaker 2: He's real a total weak whoosy. Yeah. So so Andrew

902
00:45:10,199 --> 00:45:15,239
Garfield says, all right. He hears something overhears something about

903
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,320
these really really rich dudes that have like their own

904
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:23,039
neighborhood where they have elite parties, and he asks the

905
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:28,320
redheaded actress prostitute that he saw earlier. He invites her over.

906
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,599
He sees her, ad calls, calls her, tells her to

907
00:45:31,639 --> 00:45:34,119
come over. She shows up and he's like, hey, take

908
00:45:34,199 --> 00:45:40,519
me to this elite neighborhood where you had these parties.

909
00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:43,880
I want to see who's running this shit. And she's

910
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,000
like yeah, she's like you can go. You can go

911
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,760
to every house except one house. There's one house you're

912
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,760
not allowed to go to. So naturally that's the house

913
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,719
he wants to go to. So he gets the hoes

914
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,960
take him to this neighborhood. He finds this one house

915
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,800
that's the one you can't go to, and he breaks

916
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:05,639
in and he finds some old dude playing piano, writing songs,

917
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,880
and there's every kind of guitar, all kinds of you know,

918
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:14,840
lavish instruments everywhere, and he's like, what is this and

919
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,519
basically spoiler alert, the rich guy says, oh, yeah, your

920
00:46:18,639 --> 00:46:21,440
entire pop culture going all the way back to fifties

921
00:46:21,519 --> 00:46:23,960
or sixties. He's like, I wrote all that. He's like,

922
00:46:24,039 --> 00:46:27,639
that's all me. He's like, you like Nirvana, I'm Nirvana,

923
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,519
you like Britney Spear, you know whatever.

924
00:46:29,679 --> 00:46:32,199
Speaker 3: He starts playing these songs at his piano, is just like,

925
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,280
you think that's your You think these artists actually wrote this.

926
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:36,800
This was all me, and.

927
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,639
Speaker 2: It was all created, and the stars are just the fronts.

928
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,480
They're part of this machinery. They don't even write most

929
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,519
of their songs. This guy writes most of the songs, right,

930
00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:50,000
This is essentially Dave mcgawan type research here. And he

931
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,119
Andrew Garfield freaks out and takes a guitar and busts

932
00:46:54,119 --> 00:46:55,119
this old dude in the head.

933
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 3: The guitar that he takes is Kurt Cobain's guitar too.

934
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he takes Kurt cobains guitar buss because he can't

935
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,400
fathom that the pop culture that he idolizes, that he's

936
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,679
controlled by the mind control is breaking down. So he

937
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,599
just basically loses his shit. He can't he can't take it. Yeah.

938
00:47:11,679 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, his whole reality is based on this pop culture

939
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,280
consumption of these exactly.

940
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 2: You know, the.

941
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 3: Music, the foods, the partying, it's all the imagery. It's

942
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,159
all pop cultured trash, you know. I mean, it's manufactured,

943
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,840
just like fruity pebbles are manufactured, and.

944
00:47:28,119 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 2: It's all synthetic. It's all it's essentially junk food for

945
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:35,079
the mind, for the soul. The pop culture is the

946
00:47:35,159 --> 00:47:38,119
junk food that the junk food is to the body. Right,

947
00:47:41,639 --> 00:47:45,800
So he's realizing they're all hoes, they're all it's all scam,

948
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,800
it's all a facaw, it's all front. I've decoded this,

949
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:52,400
and he's like, he's like, there's something behind this. So

950
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,039
he's going to track down the billionaires now. Now he's ready.

951
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:01,639
He figures out that one of the chip no, I'm

952
00:48:01,639 --> 00:48:03,559
sorry forgot, there's a whole other level to the cipher.

953
00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:07,360
There's another layer of the cipher, which is the Zelda map,

954
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,400
matches up to the map of the in the box

955
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,239
of Cereal, and that map lays on top of the

956
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,679
map of La which tells him where the billionaires are

957
00:48:17,039 --> 00:48:21,519
chilling in their huts and in their fallout shelters. So

958
00:48:21,559 --> 00:48:24,079
he decodes all this. He tracks down the last one

959
00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:26,039
of the last places he hasn't gone yet, which is

960
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:30,559
some weird marking over by the Hollywood sign right across

961
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:33,599
from it, and there's this hut. And he goes in

962
00:48:33,639 --> 00:48:36,440
this hut and there's a couple of the hose that

963
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,800
he's seen before, and this old, you know, boomer age

964
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,639
white dude in there with looking like a Jesus hippie

965
00:48:43,639 --> 00:48:47,679
type guy, and they have this really awkward, hilarious conversation

966
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,639
that's very innocuous and very silly, and he's like, what

967
00:48:51,679 --> 00:48:54,760
are you doing. He's like, oh, we're preparing our tombs.

968
00:48:55,519 --> 00:48:59,440
It's like your tombs. He's like, yeah, we're going to ascend.

969
00:48:59,559 --> 00:49:03,079
And he's like, what do you mean. He's like, uh, yeah,

970
00:49:03,159 --> 00:49:04,800
we don't believe in heaven and all that stuff we

971
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,119
believe in, you know, like Egyptian religion, like pharaohs. We're

972
00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:10,000
gonna ascend and go to another realm away from this

973
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:12,559
crazy world. We've already had all the pleasures and fun

974
00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:16,159
that we could h so we're going to entomb ourselves

975
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,199
in these fallout shelters, surround ourselves by concrete so we

976
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,760
can't get out, and we're going to die with our

977
00:49:23,199 --> 00:49:26,599
three or four beautiful bribes. So he can't believe this,

978
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,280
and he's like, can I talk to you know the

979
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,480
chick that I liked from the beginning of the movie.

980
00:49:31,639 --> 00:49:33,679
And he's like, yeah, she's in another one of the shelters.

981
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:35,639
Let me pull her up on the skype, right. So

982
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,480
they pull her up and she's like, Hey, did you

983
00:49:38,519 --> 00:49:42,360
get a new puppy dog? And he's like, are you're

984
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,960
gonna die? And she's like do you think I'm the

985
00:49:46,039 --> 00:49:51,719
right decision? And the other billionaires like, hey, hey, don't

986
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,760
upset her. She's enjoying herself. So it's all very just blase,

987
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,039
a very apathetic.

988
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, life death like whatever, dude.

989
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:05,079
Speaker 2: Everything is apathetic, right, nothing matters. And even the billionaire

990
00:50:05,159 --> 00:50:07,880
elite who believe in this cult. And what's funny is

991
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,159
that the wives they all buy into like the new age,

992
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,159
basic bitch bullshit, right, that they're going, I'm gonna ascend

993
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,400
through you know, meditation and consciousness and all this nuts.

994
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,760
And the billionaires are a little more you know, maybe

995
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,639
this guy believes that. Maybe the other ones don't. They're

996
00:50:23,639 --> 00:50:26,079
a little more cynical. Maybe they just see it as

997
00:50:26,119 --> 00:50:28,440
a way to you know, a thousand years from now,

998
00:50:28,639 --> 00:50:31,719
who's going to know who anybody was outside of you know,

999
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:34,000
the tomb? Right? If you look back at ancient the

1000
00:50:34,039 --> 00:50:36,199
ancient world, who do we know? Well, we know about

1001
00:50:36,199 --> 00:50:39,760
pharaohs because they had giant pyramids and tombs, right, Or

1002
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,880
maybe there's a transhumanist ollment to where they think they're

1003
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:43,800
going to be, you know, resurrected or something like that.

1004
00:50:44,039 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 3: The millionaires they're not, like, they're not super old guys

1005
00:50:46,639 --> 00:50:49,079
the killers. So they're kind of like just past their prime, right,

1006
00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:52,119
they're like maybe in their fifties or something, maybe late

1007
00:50:52,159 --> 00:50:55,119
fifties max. So they're just you know, they're so they're

1008
00:50:55,159 --> 00:50:58,400
so worn out all their sensory perceptions so much with

1009
00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:59,519
all the sax.

1010
00:50:59,199 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 2: Drugs, rock and rold that all the pleasures.

1011
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they don't they don't want to live anymore.

1012
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,559
Like there's no that maybe they don't get the same

1013
00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:08,360
pleasure out of their their bo.

1014
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,559
Speaker 2: Since they could control everything else, the last thing that

1015
00:51:12,599 --> 00:51:15,400
they wanted to control was when they would die, so

1016
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,760
that they would be subject to somebody else determining when

1017
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,079
they die. They're going to decide when they die. They're

1018
00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:21,800
going to determine the manner in which they die. So

1019
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,400
it's a final kind of act of rebellion from their perspective,

1020
00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:30,679
in this kind of satanic way. But so the interesting

1021
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,639
part of that is that you know, all throughout he

1022
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:38,159
has noticed that all of the synchronicities are real, the

1023
00:51:38,199 --> 00:51:41,760
conspiracies are real. It applies to pop culture. It's a controlled,

1024
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,079
top down system. You don't rise in it unless you're

1025
00:51:44,519 --> 00:51:48,840
compromised in a whore and all this stuff. But the

1026
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,559
message of it seems to be when Andrew Garfield gets

1027
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:55,840
back and the reality of this world hits him, he realizes,

1028
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,599
I can't even pay my rent, my car got possessed, repossessed,

1029
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,800
He's like, what's the point? Basically, And so the weird

1030
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,960
ending of this is this sort of millennial nihilism, this

1031
00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:09,000
hedonism of just, you know what, I should just move

1032
00:52:09,039 --> 00:52:10,880
in with the hippie chick that I was spying on

1033
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,840
the beginning, you know, the hippie boomer chick. Whether her

1034
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:19,519
booby's out, I just move in with her. That's almost like,

1035
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,519
in other words, it's like, Okay, so all of this

1036
00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:26,199
conspiracy stuff is all true. It's very true. It's all

1037
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:30,199
run by very wealthy, elite people. But so what what's

1038
00:52:30,199 --> 00:52:33,280
the point? Man? I mean, I'm not saying that the

1039
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,320
movie is totally nihilistic, but it's almost like it's asking

1040
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,719
that question, Well, what is the point. No one's going

1041
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,360
to believe this, nobody's going to go down the rabbit

1042
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,159
hole that far. It's too crazy. Yeah, so it's all

1043
00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:46,480
a bunch of hoes and thoughts.

1044
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 3: He talks to that to the King of the Bums

1045
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,119
at the end, too, right, doesn't the King of the

1046
00:52:50,159 --> 00:52:52,599
Bums kind of release it from them, and he tells them,

1047
00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:54,760
don't tell anybody about this, or I'll kill you basically

1048
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:55,360
or something like that.

1049
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,599
Speaker 2: Yeah. So he's like, okay, yeah, you figured it all out.

1050
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,559
We should kill you, but we're gonna let you go

1051
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:01,320
and just keep your mouth shut.

1052
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 3: And and then he finished, and then he goes home,

1053
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:08,920
and then he suddenly, uh decides that he wants to

1054
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:13,920
go back and uh and go reconcile his whole life

1055
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:18,800
by moving in and sleeping with this old boomer who

1056
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,679
keeps birds and cages all around her house.

1057
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, so I guess this is the point where

1058
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,320
it's it's somewhat debatable. Is the message of the movie,

1059
00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:29,519
Uh yeah, it's all real, just give up on it.

1060
00:53:29,639 --> 00:53:31,400
Or is the message of the movie don't even worry

1061
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,079
about all this conspiracy nonsense. There's no point in getting

1062
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:37,039
into it. It's just going to drive you nuts. Uh. Just

1063
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,960
you know, enjoy, enjoy the laugh the life that you have,

1064
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:43,599
and don't try. It's almost like, don't try to go

1065
00:53:43,639 --> 00:53:47,519
after understanding other elite classes. You're never going to understand it.

1066
00:53:47,559 --> 00:53:49,440
If you If you've read the there's a famous book

1067
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,360
called the megas that I referenced a lot in my

1068
00:53:52,639 --> 00:53:56,880
book and the Major Megas. The Major is a similar story.

1069
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,280
It's a famous literary work by John Fowls, and it's

1070
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:04,000
basically about some guy who's like, you know, this nihilistic

1071
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:09,199
twenty five year old Oxford grad who's just kind of

1072
00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:12,440
sleeping around, partying his way, drugging his way through Europe,

1073
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,239
and he ends up on this island off of Greece

1074
00:54:16,639 --> 00:54:19,599
called Fraxos, made up island, and it's owned by this

1075
00:54:19,679 --> 00:54:26,079
Greek billionaire who's this very entuned esotericist occultists and psychologists,

1076
00:54:26,679 --> 00:54:29,519
and what the billionaire likes to do is set up

1077
00:54:29,559 --> 00:54:36,000
scenarios with actors, crisis actors, basically just to test how

1078
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:40,360
this nihilistic guy reacts. So he's he puts them through

1079
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,280
all kinds of very bizarre scenarios just to mess with

1080
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,920
the dude. And I won't spoil the novel, but essentially

1081
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,360
at the end of the of the novel it does

1082
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,840
reference him as a member of the Illuminati. Okay, so

1083
00:54:52,039 --> 00:54:54,679
this Greek billionaire who's in the Illuminati is basically just

1084
00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:59,480
studying the effects of his phenomenon this on this nihilistic

1085
00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:00,840
you know, twenty four year old.

1086
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:02,519
Speaker 3: That's similar theme.

1087
00:55:02,639 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, the end of the book is basically, what's it?

1088
00:55:06,519 --> 00:55:08,599
What was the point? What were you trying to do by?

1089
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,079
Because because the guy gets baited into going down the

1090
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:12,679
rabbit hole, he's like, I'm gonna figure this guy out.

1091
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:14,400
I'm gonna expose him. I'm gonna see what this is

1092
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,320
all about. And then you know, at the end of

1093
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,920
the thing, it's like you don't even understand that class,

1094
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,320
Like you're not in his class of elite. The same

1095
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,760
thing that Bill Harford eyes white shut right, like I

1096
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:26,280
thought I was at the top of the total pool.

1097
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,000
I thought I was the ship man. Yeah, same idea, Right,

1098
00:55:29,119 --> 00:55:32,039
I'm the ship Like I'm the fucking coolest motherfucker around here,

1099
00:55:32,639 --> 00:55:34,719
Like you know, I don't give a shit about anything.

1100
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:36,119
And then he goes down the rabbit hole and he

1101
00:55:36,159 --> 00:55:37,920
realizes he's not at the top of the totem pole.

1102
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,119
There's people way above him, way more powerful, way more intelligent,

1103
00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:44,639
and it's almost like, man, what was the point? So

1104
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,119
what do you think of the what do you think

1105
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:47,880
the point of the movie is?

1106
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,639
Speaker 3: Well, all right, so the ending of the movie I'm

1107
00:55:51,679 --> 00:55:54,800
not so clear about, but I basically you know, pop

1108
00:55:54,840 --> 00:56:01,679
culture as a initiate, an initiation for an entire generation

1109
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:06,000
and for the youth, and for basically everybody, into a

1110
00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:10,480
mystery religion, into a specific worldview, into seeing the world

1111
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:13,599
a certain way, consuming your life in a certain way,

1112
00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:16,280
and thus just being consumed in this big machinery of

1113
00:56:16,639 --> 00:56:19,599
pop culture and becoming a you know, a piece of

1114
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:24,719
of this you know, silly kind of basically nihilistic realm.

1115
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,239
And I don't know what to make of the end.

1116
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,079
There's you know, there's something with the generational divide, right,

1117
00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:31,199
you know, it starts with him talking on the phone

1118
00:56:31,199 --> 00:56:36,360
with his mom, uh, staring at this lady through the binoculars,

1119
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,519
and she's you know, she's like the she's like one

1120
00:56:39,559 --> 00:56:42,679
of those yoga chicks, like those new agey like sex

1121
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,280
magic type people who are just so husely liberated, you know.

1122
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:50,239
I mean, lots of these boomer hippies kind of haunt

1123
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,519
the town I live in, so I'm really familiar with

1124
00:56:53,559 --> 00:56:56,760
this type of energy, really into yoga and you know,

1125
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:00,920
Joseph Campbell stuff like that.

1126
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 2: So it's basically I spoke, Yeah, I've spoken to Banker

1127
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,159
Canyon and the whole essentially the whole audience was this, well.

1128
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,559
Speaker 3: Right, topless sixty year old women, who are you know,

1129
00:57:10,679 --> 00:57:13,960
sleeping in a polyamorous relationship with some twenty five year

1130
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,239
old dude probably you know, there's this is it's weird,

1131
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,440
like there there is a world of this type of

1132
00:57:19,079 --> 00:57:21,119
uh stuff. And I don't know what to make of

1133
00:57:21,159 --> 00:57:22,880
the ending. So it's something to do with his mother,

1134
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,159
the generational divide.

1135
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,239
Speaker 2: How I forget about the mother stuff. That's a good point, yeah.

1136
00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 3: Right, perhaps, how like the boomers were initiated in this

1137
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,320
very same way with the sex, drugs and this.

1138
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:35,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're the sixties counterculture right right.

1139
00:57:35,159 --> 00:57:37,199
Speaker 3: And I see it as like the millennial and the

1140
00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:40,320
boomer copulating in the end of the film, basically just

1141
00:57:40,639 --> 00:57:45,320
you know, the ultimate kind of really gross and not

1142
00:57:45,519 --> 00:57:49,119
very pleasant to even think about reality of what pop

1143
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:50,239
culture has done to everybody.

1144
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:56,159
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, because the old guy who creates all the music,

1145
00:57:57,199 --> 00:58:01,920
he is essentially he also says all your sixties revolution music.

1146
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,960
He says, I created all that exactly. He says, I

1147
00:58:05,039 --> 00:58:07,639
gave you a revolution. That's why it's the boomers exactly.

1148
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,039
That's a good point. So it's basically boomer age to

1149
00:58:11,119 --> 00:58:14,199
now he's like that was all completely created from the

1150
00:58:14,239 --> 00:58:17,159
top down. And that's essentially Dave Mcowan's book, where it's

1151
00:58:17,639 --> 00:58:19,320
inside the canyon. That's the whole point of the book.

1152
00:58:20,199 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 3: I would wonder. I'm sure that whoever directed this and

1153
00:58:23,039 --> 00:58:26,920
wrote it read those books. He had to have, you know,

1154
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,199
very familiar obviously with the culture of what people are

1155
00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:33,360
saying about pop culture. But I guess the last scene

1156
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,800
is him he goes out to the balcony and he's

1157
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,360
in that Boomer's house. They're the boomers apartment, which is

1158
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,039
in the same apartment complex as him, right, so him

1159
00:58:42,199 --> 00:58:44,199
I just right across. Yeah, yeah, So they're in this

1160
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,400
same curated environment that they don't own, right, you don't

1161
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,760
own your apartment, you live in an apartment building. And

1162
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,719
he's smoking a cigarette around these birds in the cages

1163
00:58:53,039 --> 00:58:55,320
and he's watching the I guess it's like the cops

1164
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,480
or something. No, it's the apartment. The guy who owns

1165
00:58:58,519 --> 00:59:01,840
the apartment looking at the weird symbol on the wall

1166
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,079
and trying to figure out, well, where did this kid go?

1167
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,239
He owes me rent or he owes me money or

1168
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,000
some shit. And Andrew Garfield's kind of looking at him

1169
00:59:11,039 --> 00:59:14,760
really like creepy, stoned, demonic gaze, and then I think,

1170
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:16,480
I think it rolls rolls the credits.

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00:59:16,519 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 2: After that, I was trying to remember, Yeah, this is

1172
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,519
the guy who did It Follows, which is a pretty

1173
00:59:22,519 --> 00:59:25,239
good horror movie. If you saw that, David Robert Mitchell,

1174
00:59:25,679 --> 00:59:30,199
It It Follows was pretty good. It's pretty creepy, and

1175
00:59:30,239 --> 00:59:34,320
the idea there was similar to this in the sense

1176
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:40,599
of the millennial age people living hedonistically and are there

1177
00:59:40,679 --> 00:59:43,800
consequences for that? And then if you know, it's like

1178
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,480
the urban myth of something coming after you, you know,

1179
00:59:47,519 --> 00:59:49,039
like it's going to get you, that kind of thing.

1180
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,599
But and I have I've watched It Follows a few

1181
00:59:53,639 --> 00:59:56,199
times and there's a bunch of references to Dusty esque

1182
00:59:56,199 --> 00:59:58,880
in it. So I'm not exactly sure what I think

1183
00:59:59,159 --> 01:00:03,400
the reference to Dostievsky means. But it's a pretty good

1184
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,719
horror movie if you like independent not. It's not gory,

1185
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:11,599
it's just creepy. Yeah, he's definitely referencing, you know, literary

1186
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:15,079
works Dostoevsky. Here, he's in you know this one. He's

1187
01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:20,159
referencing a lot of David Lynch. And by the way,

1188
01:00:20,159 --> 01:00:23,079
I had actually messaged the chick that's in it follows.

1189
01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:26,719
We had a few messages on Facebook. I was trying

1190
01:00:26,719 --> 01:00:28,599
to get her to come on to an interview, and

1191
01:00:28,639 --> 01:00:30,079
I thought she was gonna do it, but she ended

1192
01:00:30,119 --> 01:00:32,679
up backing out. But I would that would have been

1193
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,840
interesting because because I've only had one actress ever come

1194
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:39,360
on Jays Analysis, they're always too I guess too scared

1195
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:43,639
it's gonna damage their career. But it would be funny

1196
01:00:43,639 --> 01:00:45,559
to get the vantage point of somebody who's you know

1197
01:00:45,639 --> 01:00:46,960
in the film, to see.

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01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, what'd you think about the movie? Overall? Do you?

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01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:52,920
Did you enjoy it? I mean, it's kind of long.

1200
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:54,079
I think it was a little lengthy.

1201
01:00:54,159 --> 01:00:56,639
Speaker 2: It is long. That doesn't bother me. I enjoyed the

1202
01:00:56,719 --> 01:00:59,960
use of symbolism, the use of satire. It's very comedic.

1203
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:03,199
It's funny in a lot of places. Overall, it's a

1204
01:01:03,199 --> 01:01:08,719
great critique of, as you said, all the nihilism, the hedonism, consumerism,

1205
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,440
the video game vantage point of the millennial generation.

1206
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 3: Four, like total detachment from yourself.

1207
01:01:18,679 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 2: Synthetic reality. What exactly the ending means is up for debate.

1208
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:26,719
I'm not sold that my interpretation was right. I'm not

1209
01:01:26,719 --> 01:01:29,199
sure because I didn't even think about the boomer the

1210
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,400
age gap stuff. And it's not just the age guy,

1211
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,679
it's also class Like he's he's trying to because we

1212
01:01:35,719 --> 01:01:38,079
forgot about the billionaire's daughter. Like he's trying to step

1213
01:01:38,119 --> 01:01:41,559
into the world of the billionaires. And he he has

1214
01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:45,719
this date night with the billionaire daughter. They go swim pool,

1215
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,800
she's topless. He thinks he's going to get some and uh,

1216
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,239
sheet ends up getting shot. Right, So he's like realizing

1217
01:01:52,239 --> 01:01:54,679
there's bigger players at work than him. You know, do

1218
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:56,320
I really want to be in that world? You know?

1219
01:01:56,440 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think the apartment it's kind of interesting, right,

1220
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,000
So it's the building that you don't own, and him

1221
01:02:03,039 --> 01:02:05,960
and this the old boomer hippie lady, they both live

1222
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:09,079
in it, but separately, and eventually through the process of

1223
01:02:09,079 --> 01:02:11,159
the movie they come together and they basically are living

1224
01:02:11,159 --> 01:02:13,199
in the same place. He can't afford rent, so he's

1225
01:02:13,239 --> 01:02:15,639
over there in the boomer's place where she's got all

1226
01:02:15,639 --> 01:02:18,199
these birds in cages. And so yeah, I mean, it's

1227
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:21,079
definitely social engineering, and there's a lot of themes in it.

1228
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,159
I feel like a lot of these directors sometimes they

1229
01:02:23,159 --> 01:02:26,559
don't even understand why they put certain things in it, right,

1230
01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:29,159
it's like, well that that feels mysterious.

1231
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if you saw Neon Demon. I

1232
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,519
felt that way about Neon Demon. It's talking a lot

1233
01:02:33,559 --> 01:02:36,840
about Hollywood being this machine that eats people up and

1234
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,360
spit them out, and it's got witches in there and

1235
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,719
they're doing rituals. And then you know that if you'd

1236
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,840
spoiler alert, the chick the model gets killed at the

1237
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,519
end and basically eating oh, and you're just like, what

1238
01:02:49,519 --> 01:02:51,800
what does this mean? Well, you know, it's all nihilistic

1239
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:53,760
and they're laughing at the end, so it's kind of like, oh,

1240
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,199
it's all a big joke. And like you said, like

1241
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,480
he's got all this stuff in there that's significant, but

1242
01:02:58,559 --> 01:03:00,159
what does he even know what it means? Know?

1243
01:03:01,039 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course video game culture was really big in this.

1244
01:03:04,119 --> 01:03:07,639
You know, the food was all you know, uh, the

1245
01:03:07,679 --> 01:03:10,920
imagery on the box of cereal. Yeah, right, like the

1246
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,840
foods they eat and stuff. It's just somebody shows up.

1247
01:03:14,039 --> 01:03:16,119
His girlfriend shows up in the beginning, or not his girlfriend,

1248
01:03:16,119 --> 01:03:18,639
but some chick who's he you know, they they use

1249
01:03:18,719 --> 01:03:22,480
each other to masturbate. She comes over and she brings

1250
01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:26,760
sushi and then she's like all play smells and they

1251
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,440
eat sushi and then eats like saltine crackers, and then

1252
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,320
basically beer and cigarettes. For the rest of the movie.

1253
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 2: It's like they consume a cookie. Yeah, it's all John.

1254
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 3: Oh, and then a cookie that sends him on this

1255
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,840
psychedelic journey too, sugar cookie.

1256
01:03:42,199 --> 01:03:44,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it's just kind of Alice in Wonderland too.

1257
01:03:44,239 --> 01:03:46,239
I didn't even think that's Alice in Wonderland.

1258
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 3: Uh huh.

1259
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:47,239
Speaker 2: And it was.

1260
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 3: That scene was very similar to Eyes Wide Shut too,

1261
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,119
when he walks in and they use a similar camera

1262
01:03:51,199 --> 01:03:54,920
angle walking behind him, just like Bill Hartford. So yeah,

1263
01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:57,440
I enjoyed it. I thought it was pretty good. I think, uh,

1264
01:03:58,480 --> 01:03:59,840
I mean it was. It was kind of long. I

1265
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:01,920
was tired when I when I watched it, but then

1266
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,360
when I looked through it and scrolled through it later on,

1267
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,239
I thought it was you know, it was pretty well

1268
01:04:06,239 --> 01:04:08,199
put together, entertaining Andrew.

1269
01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 2: The most important takeaway was the pretty clear revelation that

1270
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:14,760
you know, the pop culture is manufactured.

1271
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:16,159
Speaker 3: That was the best scene. The best scene was the

1272
01:04:16,159 --> 01:04:18,920
old man telling him, look, your whole reality is false.

1273
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,440
And I wrote all these songs and none of these

1274
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:22,960
are real stars. I like that one.

1275
01:04:23,679 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, before we do Spring Rekers, I gotta take a

1276
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:28,000
p break before.

1277
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:32,159
Speaker 3: It, man, I'll read some super chats here. Let's see here,

1278
01:04:33,199 --> 01:04:34,199
all right, Nick Jones?

1279
01:04:34,239 --> 01:04:34,599
Speaker 2: What's up?

1280
01:04:34,679 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 3: Nick Jones? That was at the very beginning of the stream,

1281
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:38,800
He says, thanks both of you, hands down my two

1282
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:42,639
favorite channels on YouTube. Love the book, Jay, Thanks right on, Nick.

1283
01:04:42,679 --> 01:04:44,719
Did you get the second book too? I haven't got

1284
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:47,920
Jay's second book yet. My brother, he's flying out here.

1285
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:49,559
I sent it to him. He's gonna bring it with him.

1286
01:04:49,559 --> 01:04:52,599
So I'm looking forward to reading Jay's next book, second book,

1287
01:04:52,679 --> 01:04:57,760
Esoteric Hollywood two. You know his website. Jay's website, by

1288
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:01,400
the way, one of one of my favorite sites, one

1289
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,639
of the very few sites that I actually pay for,

1290
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:08,920
you know, subscription to. He does lots of theology lectures

1291
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:15,440
and he's got such a wealth of of like just

1292
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:19,480
such a huge back catalog of essays on everything from

1293
01:05:20,119 --> 01:05:24,880
historygio politics, theology. I think the theology section is a

1294
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,480
real gem of his website too. And of course you

1295
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,079
know esoteric analysis of films and whatnot. So check out

1296
01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:33,719
his website, guys. In memory of John Mordaunt says, my

1297
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:37,599
boy has less SPD symptoms with real food. Thanks for

1298
01:05:37,639 --> 01:05:40,719
all you do right on, Thanks a lot, you're a

1299
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,960
regular viewer, you're always jumping in here. Bob Monk, he

1300
01:05:44,119 --> 01:05:47,280
sent some money, but he's not even asking anything right

1301
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:51,599
on infinite micro second. I'll ask that question when Jay

1302
01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:55,000
gets back. Thanks for the super chatman sending ten bucks.

1303
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,920
Door Man says, thanks for the stream, guys showing some love,

1304
01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:01,400
eat meat and meg families and hashtag bald Man bad

1305
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,599
and hashtag beard Man bad. Well, thank you, my friend.

1306
01:06:04,599 --> 01:06:10,760
I agree. Hashtag bald Man bad, hashtag beard Man bad.

1307
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:17,880
Now let's see here. Tyler Sudden says, two of my

1308
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:21,000
favorite YouTube personalities. Be sure to share with Jessica. I

1309
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,599
appreciate her answering my emails. I would like Jay to

1310
01:06:23,639 --> 01:06:27,599
do more on his channel about the Jordan Peterson phenomenon.

1311
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:31,679
I'll let Jay know you said that when he gets back.

1312
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:36,079
And then Sergey Lux sends five bucks without any without

1313
01:06:36,079 --> 01:06:38,760
saying anything. Thanks a lot, man, get this mosquito flying

1314
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:43,360
in my face? Las Vegas Carnivar, what's Alex Carnivore? Tyler

1315
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,639
Tumblebear metal slug seventeen bunch of people in the chat today.

1316
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,039
Let's see what's going on. I got a much smaller

1317
01:06:50,079 --> 01:06:52,639
audience than usual. We're doing a fun little stream today,

1318
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,800
no clickmake titles. We're just doing some film analysis and

1319
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:02,559
having fun talking about some some funny millennial movies, some

1320
01:07:02,599 --> 01:07:05,719
funny millennial movies. Mike's in the chat. What's up man.

1321
01:07:07,599 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 2: Se? Yeah?

1322
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 3: Next, we're gonna talk about spring Breakers. Spring Breakers, which

1323
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,920
is actually a very It's like a horrific movie. Spring

1324
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:20,880
Breakers is a horror film. Also probably one of the

1325
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:25,000
more haunting films that I've seen over the last decade.

1326
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:28,440
I don't know why, but for some reason, spring Breakers

1327
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:31,880
really like disturbed me watching this film. It was just

1328
01:07:32,239 --> 01:07:36,960
there was something about it, something about the aesthetic of it,

1329
01:07:37,039 --> 01:07:39,480
something about how this movie was made, how this film

1330
01:07:39,599 --> 01:07:45,719
was made, that is just really haunting. And it is

1331
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:53,000
so it's so reflective of the millennials pop culture curated world.

1332
01:07:53,119 --> 01:07:54,239
Jay's back, what's up, Jay?

1333
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:54,599
Speaker 2: Hey?

1334
01:07:54,599 --> 01:07:59,239
Speaker 3: We had one super chat from somebody asking is yoga

1335
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:04,679
acceptable an Orthodox Christianity? So is yoga cool with Eastern Orthodoxy?

1336
01:08:04,719 --> 01:08:05,920
What is his stance on yoga?

1337
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:15,639
Speaker 2: No, traditional yoga involves you know, Hindu practice in you know, Kundalini.

1338
01:08:15,719 --> 01:08:21,159
Opening of the Serpent Power Force in the spine. You know,

1339
01:08:21,239 --> 01:08:25,720
Crowley was a big proponent of blending yoga with Western

1340
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:33,720
daunt So it's intentionally done to invoke deities, now, pilate, stretching,

1341
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:39,520
anything like that. Obviously, no, not that's fine, but yoga itself, No,

1342
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:43,520
it would not be compatible with Christianity.

1343
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:46,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny how popular yoga became. It It really

1344
01:08:46,039 --> 01:08:47,960
got big in the US after the sixties when you

1345
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:51,760
had the huge Kraalley and push.

1346
01:08:50,079 --> 01:08:52,159
Speaker 2: And and the Beatles pushed it right U.

1347
01:08:53,039 --> 01:08:57,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, so who brought who really popularized yoga in the West.

1348
01:08:57,680 --> 01:08:59,880
Was It almost seems like Crowley was the guy who

1349
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:02,199
really brought it out in the West.

1350
01:09:03,119 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you can make that case. I mean,

1351
01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:08,720
the Chicago World Fare of Religions in the eighteen nineties

1352
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:14,520
featured this the first yogi trying to introduce the idea

1353
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:16,399
to the West. And what that was was kind of

1354
01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:21,399
the pioneer ecumenical service. It was how do we get

1355
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:24,039
all the religions together in the West, And it was

1356
01:09:24,079 --> 01:09:25,920
just a form of social engineering. It was being promoted

1357
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:30,319
by the elites. After the eighteen nineties into the twentieth century,

1358
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:35,159
you had a swami Vivica or a Sri I forget,

1359
01:09:35,199 --> 01:09:38,800
I get all these I think it was vivid, yeah, Vivicananda.

1360
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:42,760
And then there's another guy who's they started also simultaneously

1361
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:46,960
pushing the New Thought movement and that turned into Positive thinking,

1362
01:09:47,119 --> 01:09:50,720
and all those forces coalesced in the New Age movement

1363
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:54,039
with the Esslin Institute and all that, and so there's

1364
01:09:54,039 --> 01:09:56,479
always been big money behind that that.

1365
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 3: So it's like actually moving your body, you know, stretching

1366
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:04,560
out your legs or you know, even it seems like

1367
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:07,159
that that maybe isn't so bad, but when you connect

1368
01:10:07,159 --> 01:10:09,359
it with all these other ideas and the you know,

1369
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:12,600
the the pronic breathing, breathe the prana into your body

1370
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:14,840
and all this stuff, and it definitely gets pretty deep

1371
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:15,760
into some Hindu stuff.

1372
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,079
Speaker 2: Well, you're supposed to you're supposed to put your body

1373
01:10:18,119 --> 01:10:20,359
into It's kind of like the way Hindus do the

1374
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:23,680
ritual dancing. You're putting your body into the god forms.

1375
01:10:24,279 --> 01:10:26,920
These are god forms that are intended to invoke the

1376
01:10:27,039 --> 01:10:30,479
energy of that of that God. And so ultimately no,

1377
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:32,640
that would be that would be demonic because the purpose

1378
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:37,359
of all the Eastern meditation, which is pretty ridiculous, is

1379
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:41,399
to annihilate the ego to annihilate the self. I mean,

1380
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:44,680
God didn't create you as an individual person to annihilate

1381
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:47,079
the you. Right, You're not supposed to annihilate the you

1382
01:10:47,359 --> 01:10:51,319
and and dissolve into the oneness of all being in nirvana.

1383
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,119
That's not why you were created. So ultimately, all the

1384
01:10:54,159 --> 01:10:58,680
Far Eastern religions are Satanic at root. There you go.

1385
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:02,119
Speaker 3: It's a pretty in depth answer, are there Somebody said

1386
01:11:02,199 --> 01:11:04,520
he wants to see more Jordan Peterson stuff on your

1387
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:07,600
YouTube channel. Tyler Saiden says Jay's got to do more

1388
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,560
on Jordan Peterson on his YouTube channel. I would say,

1389
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:13,000
as far from what I've heard Jay talk about the

1390
01:11:13,079 --> 01:11:16,640
Jordan Peterson phenomenon, he's kind of said what needed to

1391
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:17,239
be said.

1392
01:11:17,279 --> 01:11:19,399
Speaker 2: I don't know how many times do you have to critique,

1393
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:24,600
you know, all young and evolution and you know's there's

1394
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:29,760
not much there there. It's pretty pretty shallow, thin stuff

1395
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:30,920
coming out of Jordan Peterson.

1396
01:11:31,319 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 3: If you look at Jay's website when you have so

1397
01:11:33,119 --> 01:11:38,560
much stuff on critiquing classical liberalism, critiquing you know, the

1398
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,960
liberal imperium. So yeah, maybe if you guys sign up

1399
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:45,119
for his members section, which is really cheap, is it

1400
01:11:45,119 --> 01:11:46,119
sixty bucks for the year.

1401
01:11:46,199 --> 01:11:49,039
Speaker 2: Still it is five a month if you want to

1402
01:11:49,079 --> 01:11:53,600
do it monthly and growing archive, but there's about three

1403
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:57,119
years worth of backed up archive material back there. Lectures

1404
01:11:57,119 --> 01:12:01,039
on Plato, lectures on Tragi and Hope, globalless books, all

1405
01:12:01,079 --> 01:12:01,800
kinds of stuff there.

1406
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:03,520
Speaker 3: What would you say it would be like a good

1407
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,199
avenue of research, even going through your website for some

1408
01:12:06,239 --> 01:12:08,600
people who are interested in deeper stuff. What kind of

1409
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:10,680
keywords would they be looking at and what type of

1410
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:14,560
you know, what aspects of philosophy and history would they

1411
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:16,920
want to look at if they want to see what

1412
01:12:17,039 --> 01:12:20,159
your views or expand on, you know, maybe the critique

1413
01:12:20,159 --> 01:12:22,239
that you've put out there on Jordan Peterson's philosophy and

1414
01:12:22,279 --> 01:12:23,159
his ideas.

1415
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:29,520
Speaker 2: But particularly on Jordan Peterson. I would say the thirty

1416
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,039
forty minute video that I did, that's a critique of him.

1417
01:12:32,159 --> 01:12:35,159
That's a two parter that's had about twenty five thousand views.

1418
01:12:35,199 --> 01:12:38,359
That's probably the best one. Which is funny because when

1419
01:12:38,359 --> 01:12:41,359
I did that video, the likes to dislikes were about equal.

1420
01:12:41,399 --> 01:12:44,319
It was like, I don't know, two hundred likes two

1421
01:12:44,359 --> 01:12:47,800
hundred dislikes, And in the last year since I did

1422
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:50,159
that video. A lot of my critiques have been vindicated.

1423
01:12:50,159 --> 01:12:53,279
A lot of people have abandoned the Peterson colt. They've

1424
01:12:53,319 --> 01:12:56,600
realized that, you know, he started cucking pretty hard. He

1425
01:12:56,680 --> 01:13:00,720
came out against men, you know, came out against individualism.

1426
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:03,840
He's supposed to be this great individualist and saying all

1427
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:07,319
these really contradictory things, and so people started, you know,

1428
01:13:07,399 --> 01:13:09,319
I think, realizing that he's not all he was cracked

1429
01:13:09,359 --> 01:13:10,720
up to be. Oh, it turns out he's invited to

1430
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:13,960
the Trilateral Commission, he's speaking there. You know, he's obviously

1431
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,560
an establishment creation. Box Day did a whole bunch of

1432
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:20,920
critiques of him. So now the likes to dislike ratio

1433
01:13:21,039 --> 01:13:23,319
is like seven hundred to one hundred and fifty. So

1434
01:13:24,079 --> 01:13:27,479
it's evened out, I would say, public opinion. I think

1435
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:28,640
it's there's still a lot annoying.

1436
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:30,520
Speaker 3: You were one of the first people who actually critiqued

1437
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,520
Peterson's philosophy, right, I mean everybody was so enamored.

1438
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 2: Everybody so mad. Yeah, I had a critique, and then

1439
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:39,119
right around the same time, box to Day started critiquing him,

1440
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:43,560
and then I think Owen Benjamin critiqued him after that.

1441
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:47,359
So yeah, he's gotten more and more critiques. But but

1442
01:13:48,039 --> 01:13:49,960
so I would say that video and then Tim Kelly

1443
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:53,640
and I have done two talks where I critique the

1444
01:13:54,359 --> 01:13:59,239
Petersonian worldview, and he's come up in other shows too.

1445
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:00,840
I can't I'm off the top of my head.

1446
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:04,680
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, said, he seems like a guy who's

1447
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:06,920
you know, he's like a he's a boomer, he's an academic.

1448
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:10,079
It's it's probably very hard in that situation to see

1449
01:14:10,119 --> 01:14:12,640
outside of that box at all to ever critique the

1450
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:16,119
roots of classical liberalism or Darwinism marks they're not Mars,

1451
01:14:16,199 --> 01:14:19,239
but uh uh Young.

1452
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 2: Carl Young's gnocissism. Yeah, I mean Jordan Peters is essentially

1453
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:28,840
just a modern day gnostic, modern day originist, modern day

1454
01:14:29,159 --> 01:14:31,720
catch all. It's like a it's like a cross between

1455
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:35,039
Tony Robbins and and you know, I mean box Day

1456
01:14:35,039 --> 01:14:38,520
had a good point about his uh rules for for life,

1457
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:41,680
the Jordan Pearson Rules for Life, and they're all about

1458
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:45,439
you getting ahead, don't worry about associating with people that

1459
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:50,520
don't advance your personal you know, uh name brand, and

1460
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,960
it's it's just just marketing bullshit.

1461
01:14:53,079 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, Tyler Sudden says, I'm going to send a

1462
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,319
local Serbian Orthodox church to get a feel for it.

1463
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,520
That's awesome, man. Good, So you're you're lucky and you're

1464
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:04,479
blessed because I've got a sixteen hour drive and it's

1465
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:06,720
not even an Orthodox church. It's just like a small

1466
01:15:08,359 --> 01:15:12,319
Orthodox congregation that they don't even have a church building.

1467
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 2: We're a sixteen hour drive from you.

1468
01:15:14,119 --> 01:15:16,560
Speaker 3: Sixteen hour drive. Yeah, but I'm gonna I'll get up

1469
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:19,600
there soon. It's still worth it to me. But wow, yeah,

1470
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:22,479
it's it's uh, we're in Catholic land down here.

1471
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 2: Man.

1472
01:15:23,039 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 3: Now we got the Pope. We got the Pope talking

1473
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:28,039
about got to get ridiations and.

1474
01:15:28,359 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 2: Get read of your borders, have globalism. It's so great.

1475
01:15:31,119 --> 01:15:33,600
Speaker 3: Oh man, Yeah, we're kind of we're kind of you know,

1476
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:35,479
you think when you're we thought we were when we

1477
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:37,479
came down to Latin America that we maybe get a

1478
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:41,319
couple of generations until it all came full flood. But

1479
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:44,319
then the cell phones came and the smartphone came out.

1480
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:46,199
Speaker 2: Cell phones change everything. Yeah.

1481
01:15:46,039 --> 01:15:49,239
Speaker 3: Now yeah they started. Now they're trying to bring abortion

1482
01:15:49,359 --> 01:15:50,079
in the Ecuador.

1483
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:51,239
Speaker 2: Wow.

1484
01:15:51,319 --> 01:15:53,520
Speaker 3: Really yeah, Well it's you know, slowly, they have to

1485
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:54,880
bring it in slowly, so it's.

1486
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 6: Like, oh, well, what if a lady gets raped, you

1487
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:57,920
got to get the abortions.

1488
01:15:58,319 --> 01:16:02,239
Speaker 3: Maybe that's good. But yeah, they the Ecuadorians are still

1489
01:16:02,319 --> 01:16:04,560
very much against it. But hey, you know, I mean

1490
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:05,359
it's they're trying.

1491
01:16:05,359 --> 01:16:07,239
Speaker 2: They're going to do social engineering to try to you.

1492
01:16:07,239 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, ten years probably match change opinion.

1493
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:10,640
Speaker 2: Within ten years.

1494
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:13,399
Speaker 3: Abortion will be the right of passage for all women

1495
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:16,439
in ten years. And it's sad. I hope not, you know,

1496
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:19,520
God forbid, I hope not. And uh, you know, maybe

1497
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,800
maybe a lot of these people end up leaving the

1498
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:27,199
Catholic Church with the current pope. I you know, I mean,

1499
01:16:27,239 --> 01:16:28,760
I got no problem with Catholics. I live in a

1500
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:32,119
Catholic country. A lot of good things about what Catholicism

1501
01:16:32,159 --> 01:16:36,159
has done to maintain family unit, to keep some forms

1502
01:16:36,159 --> 01:16:40,199
of degeneracy out of Latin America. But you know, I mean,

1503
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:43,840
with what this pope is saying, it's getting pretty alarming.

1504
01:16:45,159 --> 01:16:47,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is sad. I mean, I think he's going

1505
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:49,520
to be, you know, it's going to be more and

1506
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:54,439
more evident that he's a definitely a tool of the globalists,

1507
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:58,000
and Roman Catholic Church has unfortunately been on that track,

1508
01:16:58,079 --> 01:17:00,920
that path or you know, many many decades at least

1509
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:02,880
sin Vatican too, and for that as well.

1510
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:06,600
Speaker 3: Yeah right, well even yeah, when you look back further,

1511
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:08,279
it seems there were a lot of things that were

1512
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:11,199
just not quite right. Well, the whole pope Ism things

1513
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:14,960
always been weird. But anyways, that's uh, that's cool.

1514
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:17,119
Speaker 6: Let's let's uh, we got through all the super chats.

1515
01:17:17,159 --> 01:17:19,600
Speaker 3: There a few other interesting questions, but it's kind of

1516
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:23,119
off topic. So got a lively chat today, got no

1517
01:17:23,199 --> 01:17:27,079
trolls today too. I got a band list. I've got

1518
01:17:27,119 --> 01:17:28,840
a miles long bad list on this.

1519
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 2: Channe Yeah, me too. I have no patience for any

1520
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:33,520
of that stuff.

1521
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 3: It's like, look, you're gonna derail the chat and turn

1522
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:38,239
it into something like it gets so annoying you cut,

1523
01:17:38,279 --> 01:17:40,840
you pop into the chat and suddenly everybody's talking about

1524
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:42,640
flat Earth. You're like, dude, I have no problem with

1525
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:45,800
you people believing in flat earth. It's all good question everything,

1526
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:48,159
but please don't come and debate it in my chat.

1527
01:17:48,199 --> 01:17:50,720
We're talking about nothing to do with it.

1528
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 2: Sorry, about something totally different.

1529
01:17:52,079 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we got a good chat going on now,

1530
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:58,640
But yeah, what do you think about spring Breakers? Harmony career?

1531
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:00,680
Speaker 2: It wasn't what I expected. You know. I remember when

1532
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,680
the movie came out, and I wasn't intentionally avoiding it.

1533
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:05,800
I just happened to miss it at the time. I've

1534
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:09,439
seen other Harmony Kren films, you know. I remember when

1535
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:11,640
I was in high school. I think my senior year

1536
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:15,359
is when Kids came out. Kids had a pretty big impact,

1537
01:18:15,399 --> 01:18:17,960
and it was controversial at the time because it was

1538
01:18:18,039 --> 01:18:20,479
a Disney film people. I think it was Merri Max

1539
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:24,159
maybe or one of the Disney subsidiaries did Kids, and

1540
01:18:24,359 --> 01:18:27,399
it was, you know, pretty brutal. And you know, it's

1541
01:18:27,399 --> 01:18:31,319
about AIDS, try to transmitting AIDS amongst my generation gen

1542
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:36,079
X and you know, nihilistic partying gen xers back then.

1543
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:39,479
Spring Breakers is his treatment of millennials, right, So again

1544
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:44,159
we have this theme of the mindless millennials, totally hedonistic,

1545
01:18:44,199 --> 01:18:49,399
totally wild, savage and the thoughts. I mean, this is

1546
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:56,479
about heartless millennial thoughts. Yeah, and I liked your point

1547
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:58,239
that it's a horror movie. You know, I didn't think that.

1548
01:18:58,359 --> 01:19:01,680
I thought this was a goofy sound, tire, silly thing

1549
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:04,600
from the trailer. Now, when when I started watching, I

1550
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:07,680
was like, this is a gangster movie and then I

1551
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:10,039
realized it's more of like a horror movie.

1552
01:19:10,159 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 3: It's really horrific, right, and and you know, even when

1553
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:15,119
it starts out, So it starts out the first scene,

1554
01:19:15,319 --> 01:19:18,000
first of all, it starts out with just saying spring Breakers.

1555
01:19:18,079 --> 01:19:23,520
It's got these glittery like you know, really pretty pink

1556
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:28,880
and blue, and the colors so neon and pastel, and

1557
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:32,800
it starts out with just kids dancing and like an

1558
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:35,359
MTV style it is.

1559
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 2: It's very nine late nineties, mid two thousand, early two

1560
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:42,279
thousands MTV when they would broadcast spring Break exactly.

1561
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:45,760
Speaker 3: Yep, yep. So they start the kids are dancing around.

1562
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:49,479
Let's see, I've got I've got some screenshots pulled up here.

1563
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:53,319
There's beer bongs and they're pouring beer all over each other,

1564
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:55,920
and it's just really it's really gross, like it's very

1565
01:19:55,960 --> 01:20:00,000
off putting, it's very disgusting. It's kind of sad to watch.

1566
01:20:00,079 --> 01:20:08,319
And it's got this like scrill X song, like dude,

1567
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:13,560
this industrial sounding music, and then it shows the first

1568
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:18,359
shot of somebody actually consuming. It's just they're they're drinking beer,

1569
01:20:18,399 --> 01:20:20,279
they're pouring beer all over each other.

1570
01:20:21,199 --> 01:20:23,560
Speaker 2: It's just debauchery. Yeah, it's like total debauchery.

1571
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:26,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's really gross. So then and then there's

1572
01:20:26,199 --> 01:20:27,960
this chick and she's sucking on a red, white and

1573
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:33,239
blue popsicle, right like that's the American the colors of

1574
01:20:33,279 --> 01:20:38,199
the American flag, and it's sucking. That's what they are.

1575
01:20:38,399 --> 01:20:40,520
So that food, that thing shows up like three times

1576
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,359
in the movie, or at least two times, one of

1577
01:20:43,359 --> 01:20:46,079
the few foods they eat in the movie. And they're pouring.

1578
01:20:46,359 --> 01:20:50,359
The guys are like standing around fake pissing beer into

1579
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:53,079
girl's mouths. So there's been a line of women or

1580
01:20:53,199 --> 01:20:56,079
young girls and they're naked, topless and they're going like this,

1581
01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:58,840
and the dudes are acting like they're peeing the beer

1582
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,680
into their mouth. So it's just this really gross representation

1583
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:05,640
of you know, bodily fluids and just consuming poisons and

1584
01:21:06,279 --> 01:21:10,119
really destructive behavior and hyper sexualized behavior. And then it

1585
01:21:10,199 --> 01:21:13,840
cuts and it's got this the audio in the background

1586
01:21:14,199 --> 01:21:17,319
or the it's got this dialogue from like a preacher

1587
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:18,279
right this.

1588
01:21:19,039 --> 01:21:23,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, this this idiot boomer evangelical preacher wearing ed Hardy gear.

1589
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:25,319
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, he's got like ed Hardy and like an

1590
01:21:25,319 --> 01:21:29,560
affliction T shirt, you know, tattoos and chains and stuff

1591
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:32,079
and he's he says, we're gonna talk about temptation.

1592
01:21:33,039 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 2: Uh, we're gonna talk about temptation.

1593
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:37,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna talk about Satan. And right when he

1594
01:21:37,039 --> 01:21:38,960
says we're gonna talk about Satan, it cuts to this

1595
01:21:39,039 --> 01:21:42,239
girl smoking a bong and it's you know, there's red

1596
01:21:43,039 --> 01:21:51,079
lit dorm room, totally weird uh set up, and yeah, yeah,

1597
01:21:51,119 --> 01:21:55,680
everybody's high. Everybody they're watching, Uh, they're watching Are they're

1598
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,079
watching the Bronies? Is it like a Bernie's reference? They're

1599
01:21:58,079 --> 01:21:59,039
watching My Little Pony?

1600
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're watching My Little Pony exactly.

1601
01:22:03,159 --> 01:22:06,279
Speaker 3: And then the girl that shows, Vanessa Hudgens, is like

1602
01:22:06,319 --> 01:22:08,319
a do you know about her? Is she a Disney chick?

1603
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:11,720
Speaker 2: Well, she's a Disney chick. Selena Gomez I think was

1604
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:14,479
Disney chick too. And the reason that's relevance because, like

1605
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:20,840
I said, kids Harmony Crinn that that was a Disney movie. Yeah,

1606
01:22:21,079 --> 01:22:23,399
so it's almost like Disney is telling us, did you

1607
01:22:23,399 --> 01:22:26,039
ever see that weird movie Escape from tomorrow Land?

1608
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 3: No? Is that a Disney movie? An actual Disney movie?

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01:22:29,199 --> 01:22:34,359
Speaker 2: Well no, but it's hard to see how it couldn't be,

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01:22:34,359 --> 01:22:38,199
because supposedly they snuck into Disneyland to film an entire movie.

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01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:43,039
Yeah right, I don't buy that. So, but Escape from

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01:22:43,079 --> 01:22:47,079
tomorrow Land is about basically the dark side of Disney.

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01:22:47,079 --> 01:22:49,279
I mean, it deserves its own whole video because it's

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01:22:49,279 --> 01:22:52,239
pretty deep. But it's kind of the same thing with

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01:22:52,359 --> 01:22:54,720
Harmony Krin in the sense that I mean, I don't

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01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:57,960
think he works for Disney, but I'm saying, you've got

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01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:03,920
these two Disney princesses here, right, who are essentially portraying

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01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:08,199
that Madonna horror complex. And even the Selena Gomez character,

1619
01:23:08,239 --> 01:23:11,680
who's this this naive, sort of simple evangelical check who

1620
01:23:12,159 --> 01:23:15,079
is tempted to go down with these hose from her

1621
01:23:15,119 --> 01:23:17,960
small town to spring Break, like spring Break is supposed

1622
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:21,039
to be, you know, this immortality state, this etern It's

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01:23:21,039 --> 01:23:22,720
almost like they treat it like Heaven, like it's gonna

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01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:24,439
we went it's a she mean great.

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01:23:24,279 --> 01:23:27,399
Speaker 3: For ab exactly exactly that we were just going to

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01:23:27,399 --> 01:23:29,159
get out of our right reality. We got to get

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01:23:29,159 --> 01:23:31,279
out of this place. We've got the same thing happening

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01:23:31,279 --> 01:23:33,520
every day. We hate it here. It's so boring. We

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01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:35,520
got to go to spring Break, but we have no money,

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01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:39,039
and that's their issue. These little girls they have no money.

1631
01:23:39,039 --> 01:23:40,920
And then one of them is Selena Gomez who was

1632
01:23:41,239 --> 01:23:44,680
that was Justin Bieber's girlfriend for a while. Yeah, so

1633
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:49,039
she's like this huge pop culture figure and it shows

1634
01:23:49,079 --> 01:23:51,319
her and she's like in this kind of weird evangelical

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01:23:51,399 --> 01:23:54,800
church situation and everybody looks really empty there. You know,

1636
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:56,680
she doesn't. She doesn't seem very happy.

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01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,319
Speaker 2: And the childishness they have them all singing like the

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01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:01,640
clapper hands, you know, Jesus.

1639
01:24:01,279 --> 01:24:05,600
Speaker 3: Loves Yeah, it's very yeah, and it's it's funny because

1640
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:08,319
that contrasts with it's kind of the same thing that

1641
01:24:08,359 --> 01:24:11,399
they're doing there as the girls are doing at spring Break, right,

1642
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:16,920
hyping themselves up emotionally and you know, singing, singing empty,

1643
01:24:17,399 --> 01:24:19,880
empty songs with that they don't really feel to have

1644
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:20,840
any meaning.

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01:24:22,239 --> 01:24:26,640
Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah, And the irony of that was I'm sitting

1646
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:31,079
here thinking, there's no way that the the cheeseball indoctrination

1647
01:24:31,359 --> 01:24:35,640
of charismatic evangelicalism that she's involved in is gonna because

1648
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:38,840
it is not going to be enough to hold her

1649
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:42,439
back from the degeneracy when she gives into the plot. Right,

1650
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:44,960
so her her Hoe friends are like, let's do it.

1651
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:47,479
You gotta be hard. You gotta be hard. So you

1652
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:51,000
have these you know, seventeen eighteen year old white girls who.

1653
01:24:51,119 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 3: I guess they should be eighteen because they're the first

1654
01:24:53,079 --> 01:24:53,680
year of college.

1655
01:24:54,079 --> 01:24:57,239
Speaker 2: Okay eighteen, So they've been completely downloaded with the idea

1656
01:24:57,359 --> 01:25:00,520
of like hardcore you know, rap that they're and they're

1657
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:02,600
gonna they gotta show how hard they are. And they

1658
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:05,800
come up with this plot to rob like a little diner,

1659
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:08,760
which I don't know how they I can't imagine some

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01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:12,000
little diner in a small town having enough money to

1661
01:25:12,319 --> 01:25:13,000
fund like this.

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01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:15,560
Speaker 3: You know, how much would they really need? Right they're

1663
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:16,560
trying to get on a bus.

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01:25:17,039 --> 01:25:17,279
Speaker 2: Go.

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01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:19,399
Speaker 3: All they need to do is get on the bus, go,

1666
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:21,880
get some cheap hotel room on the beach in Florida,

1667
01:25:22,279 --> 01:25:23,840
and buy some booze for a few days. But I

1668
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:25,960
guess since they're girls, they don't have to buy booths

1669
01:25:26,079 --> 01:25:29,720
like everyone will just shower them with drugs and true alcohol.

1670
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:31,239
That's a point, So maybe they don't either that.

1671
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 2: I couldn't tell whether it was Daytona or or.

1672
01:25:34,359 --> 01:25:40,640
Speaker 3: Saint Pete's Okay, Saint Petersburg, Florida. I thought that was

1673
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,239
the intro to the film was actually really interesting because

1674
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:47,479
the way it juxtaposes the the partying and then goes

1675
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:52,079
straight to the evangelical, like you know, children's group. They've

1676
01:25:52,079 --> 01:25:53,720
got the Bibles in front of them, but they're not

1677
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:56,920
reading from it. They're just singing empty songs and stuff

1678
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:58,399
like that. And then it shows the girls in their

1679
01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:02,279
class and they're while learning about like the reconstruction period

1680
01:26:02,399 --> 01:26:04,920
during the Civil War and the lecture. Right, they're drawing

1681
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:08,720
pictures of Dix and showing and and pretending to lick

1682
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:12,199
them and saying I want penis. So I got a

1683
01:26:12,239 --> 01:26:14,720
screenshot pulled up right there where she says she got

1684
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:16,399
a heart and says I love penis on it.

1685
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're miserable in their small town hypersexually. You

1686
01:26:21,039 --> 01:26:23,880
gotta be hard, don't be scared of nothing. Let's let's

1687
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:27,000
rob this mom and pop diner.

1688
01:26:27,279 --> 01:26:30,119
Speaker 3: Would you notice the party. There's some really shocking imagery

1689
01:26:30,119 --> 01:26:31,920
in the party they went to. Right, so it shows

1690
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:35,680
this this uh, this kind of college party, and the

1691
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:38,079
first shots that shows of it are all them sitting

1692
01:26:38,119 --> 01:26:41,399
around a bonfire. Right, so it shows it shows Vanessa

1693
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:44,439
Hudgens smoking a bong load after they say we're gonna

1694
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:46,319
talk about Satan, and then it switches to her and

1695
01:26:46,359 --> 01:26:48,479
she lights up the thing, and so there's the fire

1696
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:50,560
and that she breathes in the weed smoke. There's a

1697
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:53,720
lot of references to breath, right, like breathing in, and

1698
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:55,520
they breathe on each other a lot in the film,

1699
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:59,359
like they blow smoke in each other's mouth. There's quite

1700
01:26:59,359 --> 01:27:02,600
a few scenes with just referencing like inhaling, you know,

1701
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:07,600
which would probably be referencing spiritual God breathe the spirit

1702
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:08,560
of life in the ass right.

1703
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:11,600
Speaker 2: So it's like this, I didn't even notice that because

1704
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:13,960
I've only seen it once, so my first time through,

1705
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,319
I'm just looking at, you know, like the basic level

1706
01:27:16,359 --> 01:27:19,600
of the plot line. So a lot of the symbolism

1707
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:21,399
I missed because the way I do movies is i'll

1708
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:23,840
watch them. If it's a good one that I feel

1709
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:25,319
like has a lot of a depths to it, I'm

1710
01:27:25,319 --> 01:27:27,600
gonna watch it two or three times and you'll notice,

1711
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:29,640
you know, you pick up stuff the more. In some

1712
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:31,479
some movies you can watch five times and you still

1713
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:34,399
haven't even picked up everything. But but yeah, so that

1714
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:38,239
was a good point. I didn't even notice the breathing stuff.

1715
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:41,399
Speaker 3: There's quite a few references that. Then they show they're

1716
01:27:41,399 --> 01:27:43,760
at a party. They're at this college party, and it's

1717
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:46,079
just it definitely reminds me a lot of the parties

1718
01:27:46,119 --> 01:27:49,399
I saw when I was in college. So they're pouring

1719
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:53,399
beer bongs down baby doll. They have the setup where

1720
01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:55,720
they have a baby doll and the beer bong goes

1721
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,199
through the baby's mouth and out of it's whereas genitals

1722
01:27:58,239 --> 01:28:01,079
would be. And the college kids are doing beer bongs

1723
01:28:01,119 --> 01:28:04,520
through this baby doll. So it's just it's referencing, right,

1724
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:08,119
child abuse, uh force poisoning children.

1725
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:12,159
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, one of the one of the lines that

1726
01:28:12,239 --> 01:28:16,760
one of the thoughts I think was Vanessa Hudgens. She says, quote,

1727
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:19,119
she's like, we gotta do this. Don't be scared enough

1728
01:28:19,199 --> 01:28:21,399
and act like you're in a movie. Act like you're

1729
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:22,319
in a video game.

1730
01:28:22,359 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 3: You've gotta be hard exactly.

1731
01:28:24,079 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 2: So her whole worldview is programmed by video games, rap music,

1732
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:29,079
and movies.

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01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 3: There's even you know, there's even a shot I've got

1734
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:33,239
to pulled up right now of a guy smoking weed

1735
01:28:33,319 --> 01:28:36,159
through a baby doll. So he's the the bowl of

1736
01:28:36,199 --> 01:28:38,239
weed is in its mouth and then he's sucking it

1737
01:28:38,279 --> 01:28:40,640
through where it's like, you know, where it's general. It's

1738
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:43,239
really horrible imagery. He barely noticed that. There's baby dolls,

1739
01:28:43,239 --> 01:28:46,319
take to the wall. There's a guy with a dead

1740
01:28:46,399 --> 01:28:49,319
chicken on his head and he's smoking out of a bong.

1741
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:53,760
So it's just really gross imagery. And then they start

1742
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:55,960
discussing what they gotta do, right, we gotta we gotta

1743
01:28:55,960 --> 01:29:00,399
get this money. We gotta get this money, y'all. And

1744
01:29:00,439 --> 01:29:03,600
it shows him snorting coke, which is like right, you know,

1745
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:05,560
and that she she has a gun. The girl actually

1746
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:07,119
has a squirt gun. Do you see that part? She's

1747
01:29:07,119 --> 01:29:08,279
got a square guns, she squirts the.

1748
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:11,720
Speaker 2: She's like drinking alcohol and sucking on it like it's

1749
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:14,680
a pp which comes up later in the growth scene

1750
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:16,920
with James Franco sucking the guns like.

1751
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:18,560
Speaker 3: Oh man, I forgot about that. That's one of the

1752
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:23,720
best disgusting things ever put on film. James Franco filating

1753
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:30,760
a gun. Two guns, so bad. Yeah, James Franco true degenerate.

1754
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:34,399
Speaker 2: And a big devote fan of Crowley too, by.

1755
01:29:34,279 --> 01:29:38,520
Speaker 3: The way, exactly, Yeah, he directed or him and Kenneth

1756
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:40,119
Anger are real good friends, aren't they?

1757
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:47,640
Speaker 2: Good? Point? Yes, My next note says, uh, that we

1758
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:51,920
see him rapping, right, and he's called alien.

1759
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:54,319
Speaker 3: So he's from this planet y'all.

1760
01:29:55,039 --> 01:29:58,239
Speaker 2: Sorry, I ain't from this planet. I'm here and I'm

1761
01:29:58,239 --> 01:30:00,279
gonna take you to another world and all this stuff.

1762
01:30:01,319 --> 01:30:03,800
Almost like he is like an like he's another being,

1763
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:06,880
like another I see him as almost like a devil

1764
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:11,279
type character, because uh he What happens is, of course

1765
01:30:11,279 --> 01:30:14,119
they go, they party hardy, and then they end up

1766
01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:19,800
these two gross twin dudes with with you know, grills,

1767
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:24,279
these two skanky white dudes trying to be thugs. Uh,

1768
01:30:24,359 --> 01:30:28,520
they're supplying their party with with drugs and they end

1769
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:31,880
up getting arrested, right, So the girls all get arrested,

1770
01:30:32,399 --> 01:30:34,680
and we almost think it was kind of by design

1771
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:37,479
because the two the two white dudes, the two twins,

1772
01:30:38,039 --> 01:30:42,199
were at the party bringing the drugs. They're working for

1773
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:47,600
riff raff, and so he.

1774
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:50,239
Speaker 1: Busts them out of jail and he's like, oh, what's so, y'all,

1775
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:52,359
I just wanted to be nice, bust.

1776
01:30:52,199 --> 01:30:55,000
Speaker 2: Y'all out of jail, you know what I'm saying. Wat y'all,

1777
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:57,000
comes chill with me, what's up? And then he starts

1778
01:30:57,239 --> 01:31:00,800
immediately hits them with like you know y'all have a

1779
01:31:01,279 --> 01:31:02,920
double double dung inside.

1780
01:31:03,039 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no's yeah so gross. Well, first, what happened though,

1781
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:09,760
is they the girls robbed. You mentioned this. They've robbed

1782
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:13,439
a diner to get some money. They had it, but

1783
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:17,319
it's not faith. So faith is Selena Gomez's character, who's

1784
01:31:17,399 --> 01:31:19,760
kind of the more innocent girl, like she doesn't really

1785
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:21,359
want to be doing the drugs, but they're like, here

1786
01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:23,640
smoke this, you know, here takes So she's but she

1787
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:27,199
has nothing to fight it with. Right, there's no real

1788
01:31:27,359 --> 01:31:29,880
resistance even though you could tell she's not sold on it.

1789
01:31:30,399 --> 01:31:32,680
She has no resistance and you you kind of nailed

1790
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:35,800
it when saying, like, you know, her worldview because she's

1791
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:38,920
not connected to anything spiritually strong enough to oppose it.

1792
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:42,199
Speaker 2: She can't. Yeah, it's it's it's very childish evangelicalism. It

1793
01:31:42,239 --> 01:31:48,920
wasn't it wasn't enough to to convince her that this

1794
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:52,600
degeneracy wasn't appealing, This pure hedonism wasn't appealing. So she

1795
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:56,039
falls into it, you know, pretty quick. But she's the

1796
01:31:56,039 --> 01:31:58,279
one that starts having reservations because she does have at

1797
01:31:58,359 --> 01:32:01,359
least some moral compass. Her friends have no moral compass whatsoever.

1798
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:03,640
Speaker 3: Right, Right, they go to this party there once they

1799
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:05,880
finally get the spring break, they're just doing drugs. The

1800
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:08,880
chicks are they They they become very kind of demonic,

1801
01:32:09,079 --> 01:32:09,680
especially the.

1802
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:14,279
Speaker 2: Blondels, so you just have nothing human human about them.

1803
01:32:14,279 --> 01:32:17,079
They're just completely it's just evil after evil after evil,

1804
01:32:17,119 --> 01:32:17,800
right mm hmm.

1805
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:20,760
Speaker 3: There was that scene in the in the room where

1806
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:23,920
they're they're doing coke and stuff at this party and

1807
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:26,359
one of those twins, who the twins? Do you know

1808
01:32:26,359 --> 01:32:30,600
who they are? They're actually like internet celebrities, those twins.

1809
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:33,800
They're called the atl Twins, and they're like they're actually

1810
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:38,479
they're paralegals out of Atlanta and they're like super into

1811
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:41,159
pills and stuff. Uh, they were Internet celebs for a

1812
01:32:41,199 --> 01:32:47,319
little while. Vice made them very popular. They're not even rappers.

1813
01:32:47,319 --> 01:32:51,560
They're just like degenerate drug guys who like to have threesomes,

1814
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:54,560
like that's their whole thing is actually, you know, like

1815
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:59,319
James Franklins says, right, they're just degenerate, Like I don't

1816
01:32:59,359 --> 01:32:59,840
know where.

1817
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:02,760
Speaker 2: They two twin brothers that actually do like to share.

1818
01:33:03,239 --> 01:33:05,880
Speaker 3: They share women. They had the same girlfriend for a while.

1819
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:09,079
So it's weird because it blends the Internet reality and

1820
01:33:09,119 --> 01:33:12,159
it shows them watching like Kimbo Slice fights when they're

1821
01:33:12,159 --> 01:33:15,199
in the dorms too. So there's the internet culture is

1822
01:33:15,279 --> 01:33:18,840
already permeating. And this was twenty thirteen this film came out.

1823
01:33:19,039 --> 01:33:21,439
There was an interesting image with the ATL Twin guy.

1824
01:33:21,479 --> 01:33:23,800
He's wearing a chain and it's got a serpent's head

1825
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:28,720
on it and a girl's filating the serpent's head a

1826
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:31,000
couple of seconds and it's very graphic.

1827
01:33:31,079 --> 01:33:34,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, they're like the hell hell Hounds. They're like

1828
01:33:35,039 --> 01:33:38,920
James Franco's two hell hounds, right, like his demon dogs, right,

1829
01:33:39,039 --> 01:33:42,880
like Simbaris or whatever. They double headed demon hound. And

1830
01:33:44,039 --> 01:33:47,039
James Franco is this kind of alien demon type type

1831
01:33:47,039 --> 01:33:51,880
figure who rescues them to offer them this new way

1832
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:54,600
of living, right like, you come with me, you know,

1833
01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:59,520
be my harem basically, and you know I'll give you

1834
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:02,039
the life you want. Because he overhears them talking about,

1835
01:34:02,079 --> 01:34:03,920
you know, I want to live in Florida forever.

1836
01:34:04,039 --> 01:34:06,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to be out springing right forever, spraying

1837
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:07,720
right forever.

1838
01:34:08,039 --> 01:34:10,720
Speaker 3: Well, and they get they get arrested, right, so they're arrested,

1839
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:13,600
they can't post bail, and he's sitting there all predatory

1840
01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:16,199
like in the in the audience or whatever for their

1841
01:34:16,239 --> 01:34:19,319
court hearing, and it shows his grill and this really

1842
01:34:19,359 --> 01:34:23,439
gross reveal shot where it's like I've got the most

1843
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:26,640
disgusting mouth. And then he's sitting out there. He's got

1844
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:29,760
this like corny ass Camaro with a dollar sign.

1845
01:34:30,399 --> 01:34:32,239
Speaker 2: Do you think he's going to be like this badass

1846
01:34:32,279 --> 01:34:38,319
but he's actually kind of just attacky, mediocre level. He's

1847
01:34:38,359 --> 01:34:42,720
not Scarface. Yeah, like he read shitty nineteen nineties d suit,

1848
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:45,720
you know, outfit in his bedroom, and.

1849
01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:48,079
Speaker 3: His cars like a ninety eight, like a ninety eight

1850
01:34:48,159 --> 01:34:51,920
Camaro or something with gay rims that have like dollar signs,

1851
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:53,159
and he's.

1852
01:34:53,039 --> 01:34:54,920
Speaker 2: Got he's got what what would have been a really

1853
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:58,319
expensive house in the seventies, right, Yeah, like seventies you

1854
01:34:58,359 --> 01:35:02,079
know style everyone where, and and if you it's funny

1855
01:35:02,079 --> 01:35:04,880
because if you watch Scarface, it's kind of it's funny

1856
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:09,640
because in Scarface, when he renovates his mansion, it's very tacky,

1857
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:12,880
like it's all expensive but it's super gaudy and tacky,

1858
01:35:13,079 --> 01:35:16,439
and he's like a B grade Scarface, Like he's like

1859
01:35:16,479 --> 01:35:20,359
a knockoff scarface with with with tacky ship everywhere. But

1860
01:35:20,399 --> 01:35:22,439
he's really proud of it. He's like, I built out this.

1861
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:25,119
You see all this, I built out This is my yet.

1862
01:35:25,399 --> 01:35:26,640
This is my yet.

1863
01:35:27,279 --> 01:35:28,680
Speaker 3: That's one of the best scenes. That's one of my

1864
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:29,720
favorite scenes in the movie.

1865
01:35:30,159 --> 01:35:32,520
Speaker 4: Look at all my ship, Look at all these ship.

1866
01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:36,119
They got scarface. Oh repeat, I.

1867
01:35:38,039 --> 01:35:42,960
Speaker 3: Got shirt hands, I got shirt, got my dark handed oil.

1868
01:35:43,159 --> 01:35:45,600
Speaker 4: Lay down by the pool with my dark hand and oil.

1869
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:49,079
Speaker 3: But he you know, it's it's just that seems amazing.

1870
01:35:49,159 --> 01:35:54,760
Speaker 2: He's got this stupid piano out by the rule of which,

1871
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:57,359
like you know, you know, he saw some some rap

1872
01:35:57,479 --> 01:35:59,840
video or some R and B video with R Kelly

1873
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:03,399
out by the pool playing Piano's put a pool by

1874
01:36:03,399 --> 01:36:06,199
the piano. That's gonna be sweet Dog exactly.

1875
01:36:06,279 --> 01:36:07,359
Speaker 4: It's it's so funny.

1876
01:36:07,399 --> 01:36:09,279
Speaker 3: So what I thought was interesting too though, when he

1877
01:36:09,319 --> 01:36:11,560
first meets the girls and they have their kind of reveal,

1878
01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:16,039
the three girls, the three blonde checks, are pretty into them.

1879
01:36:16,039 --> 01:36:18,319
They're just like, yeah, this guy's kind of cool. Uh,

1880
01:36:18,359 --> 01:36:19,960
you know, they're basically asking, well, what do you want

1881
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:22,479
from us? What do you want? He's just like guy.

1882
01:36:23,159 --> 01:36:25,199
And then he has faith her name. He's like, what's

1883
01:36:25,239 --> 01:36:28,079
your name? And this scene is actually a very horrific

1884
01:36:28,159 --> 01:36:30,560
scene when he's talking to atl twins or sitting across

1885
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:33,079
from him. He says, like, you know what they're into, right,

1886
01:36:33,119 --> 01:36:38,359
they dope penetration, just really gross, Like he graphically describes

1887
01:36:38,399 --> 01:36:41,880
their sexual desires, and then they're smiling at him and

1888
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:44,600
licking their grills and stuff. And then he asks Faith.

1889
01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:47,720
He says, what's your name? She tells him Faith. He's like, oh,

1890
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:50,720
that's interesting, Like, you know you you believe in God.

1891
01:36:51,119 --> 01:36:54,560
You got faith, like very very aggressively, right. She's like,

1892
01:36:55,039 --> 01:36:57,760
uh yeah. He's like, you did a lot of praying.

1893
01:36:58,119 --> 01:36:59,600
You pray for your friends here.

1894
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:01,640
Speaker 6: You do lot praying for your friends here.

1895
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:02,920
Speaker 3: She's like yeah.

1896
01:37:03,039 --> 01:37:03,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1897
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:06,520
Speaker 3: He's like you know, I was thinking. He's like, maybe

1898
01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:09,359
that I'm the answer to your prayers. Maybe I'm asked

1899
01:37:09,399 --> 01:37:11,600
to your prayers. So he's like steps in and just

1900
01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:14,720
openly takes the Luciferian kind of you know, satanic, like,

1901
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:18,560
I'll replace God for you, I'll answer all your prayers.

1902
01:37:19,079 --> 01:37:21,119
Speaker 2: And then yeah, I ain't from this planet. I ain't

1903
01:37:21,159 --> 01:37:21,760
from this planet.

1904
01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:23,319
Speaker 4: I'm from this planet, y'all.

1905
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:27,319
Speaker 3: But they go they go to his his pad, They

1906
01:37:27,359 --> 01:37:28,960
go to his pad, and I think that's one of

1907
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:32,720
the funniest scenes is when he he shows them his house.

1908
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:35,640
Speaker 2: And he's also got his tattoos significant because it's a

1909
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:41,199
dollar sign, right, and that's what these alpha thoughts that

1910
01:37:41,279 --> 01:37:43,960
have led faith down this path. That's all there they've

1911
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:47,000
been after this whole time. Was that money? That money? Yep,

1912
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:52,199
And he's got the dollars on tattoo on his neck,

1913
01:37:53,199 --> 01:37:56,880
on his neck. Oh. And then then he he reveals

1914
01:37:56,880 --> 01:37:58,479
it a little bit ahead of time too, when he

1915
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:00,600
talks about the sharks. He says, don't gls women at

1916
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:03,640
water at night. There's sharks, a lot of sharks. He says.

1917
01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:06,479
They're predatory animals, just waiting, just waiting.

1918
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:15,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, lark lark and larking and there lurking, he says,

1919
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:17,560
like three times. And something that I thought was interesting

1920
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:19,439
about the film the editing. They loop a lot of things,

1921
01:38:19,479 --> 01:38:23,319
so there's a lot of loop was telling before we started.

1922
01:38:23,319 --> 01:38:25,880
It's like it's like it was edited by scrill.

1923
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:28,439
Speaker 2: X, like a rapper or like scrill X, Yeah, like

1924
01:38:28,479 --> 01:38:30,960
the exactly.

1925
01:38:31,279 --> 01:38:32,840
Speaker 3: So then they get in his car, they go on

1926
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:35,399
his ride. They're in his vehicle. He brings them to

1927
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:38,760
this like trap house party, right, it's he brings them

1928
01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:41,479
to this house with these gangsters.

1929
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:42,880
Speaker 2: And it's like super ghetto, dude.

1930
01:38:43,199 --> 01:38:45,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the vibe there, you know that that scene

1931
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:48,319
they actually apparently shot that, Like those are all real

1932
01:38:48,399 --> 01:38:52,520
gangsters and and the girls were actually legitimately freaked out.

1933
01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:56,560
I watched some of some of these interviews and they're

1934
01:38:56,560 --> 01:39:00,159
talking and the girls were the actresses said that they

1935
01:39:00,199 --> 01:39:03,520
were legitimately scared of James Franco, Like he was always

1936
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:05,960
in character when they were filming, and he was like

1937
01:39:06,119 --> 01:39:09,920
obsessive and really he was very, very very freaky to them. So, yeah,

1938
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:12,960
they go to this trap house and Faith freaks out.

1939
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:16,039
He has a conversation whether her alien, tries to get

1940
01:39:16,039 --> 01:39:18,279
her to stay, and then she says, no, I'm leaving.

1941
01:39:18,319 --> 01:39:20,000
And then she leaves. She gets on the bus and

1942
01:39:20,359 --> 01:39:23,359
shows her hand against the window. I'm going back to

1943
01:39:23,399 --> 01:39:28,039
my life. So Faith actually gets saved from the debauchery

1944
01:39:28,039 --> 01:39:30,119
that happens later on to a certain extent. I thought

1945
01:39:30,119 --> 01:39:33,359
that was interesting and in a very satanic movie, the

1946
01:39:33,399 --> 01:39:36,239
one character that even though she has kind of a

1947
01:39:36,279 --> 01:39:42,760
distorted connection to reality, she does she leaves this fake world.

1948
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:46,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was right, she knew that this wasn't gonna go. Well,

1949
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:50,159
but what's interesting is that the real villains aren't who

1950
01:39:50,199 --> 01:39:53,399
you think. The real villains aren't Gucci Mane, and they're

1951
01:39:53,399 --> 01:39:57,560
not Alien. The real hard demons turn out to be

1952
01:39:58,239 --> 01:40:00,560
other than what you think. Yeah.

1953
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:03,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, So when you first see Alien, you kind of

1954
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:07,079
he's like basically the Satan character, Right, this guy seems

1955
01:40:07,119 --> 01:40:10,279
like he's pure evil, and he's so hokey. He's kind

1956
01:40:10,279 --> 01:40:11,399
of funny but also.

1957
01:40:11,199 --> 01:40:13,479
Speaker 2: Really yes, right, he's corny.

1958
01:40:13,359 --> 01:40:17,359
Speaker 3: Super corny. But then there's something about that the performance

1959
01:40:17,399 --> 01:40:19,000
that's just I mean, I'm not a fan of like

1960
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:20,840
I think James Franco's probably you know, he seems like

1961
01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:24,039
he's kind of a degenerate and in reality, but he

1962
01:40:24,039 --> 01:40:27,399
did put on really good performances in this just artistically,

1963
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:31,159
he did a great job. And then let's see what

1964
01:40:31,199 --> 01:40:33,000
happened next. Remember what happens next.

1965
01:40:35,239 --> 01:40:38,800
Speaker 2: We introduced to We're introduced to Gucci Mane. Gucci Mane

1966
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:42,439
is the big time gangster. He's got the actual estate,

1967
01:40:43,239 --> 01:40:47,880
whereas you know, Alien is a mid level, mid tier gangster.

1968
01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:50,760
Gucci Mane's got the biggest state. He gets in his

1969
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:51,560
face says.

1970
01:40:51,399 --> 01:40:54,840
Speaker 1: I brought you up, dog, I owned these streets, own

1971
01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:56,479
these streets, and.

1972
01:40:57,359 --> 01:41:00,279
Speaker 2: You can tell the aliens resenting him. Alien wants, you know,

1973
01:41:00,319 --> 01:41:02,960
to be the big dog. He's jealous of him. He

1974
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:06,479
wants to be running the streets, but you know, he's

1975
01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:13,359
too scared to do anything. And so then we have

1976
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:18,000
this sequence where he's he's trying to basically get that

1977
01:41:18,479 --> 01:41:22,760
get the gumption up to do something, and he's still scared.

1978
01:41:23,560 --> 01:41:26,680
Gucci Mane pulls up and shoots his car and a

1979
01:41:26,720 --> 01:41:30,520
stray bullet hits one of those chicks in the arm,

1980
01:41:31,279 --> 01:41:33,600
and that's almost enough to send him over, but then

1981
01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:37,039
his his the two that shit goes home. Right then

1982
01:41:37,079 --> 01:41:40,039
she yeah too, look I'm out of this, I got

1983
01:41:40,039 --> 01:41:40,840
a bullets.

1984
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:42,800
Speaker 3: Weird, right, So she ended up marrying him. I think

1985
01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:46,680
she's still married to him. They have a kid.

1986
01:41:47,439 --> 01:41:51,680
Speaker 2: So then he, uh, Alien's like, all right, that's enough,

1987
01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:58,239
that's enough. And the two remaining hoes basically have to

1988
01:41:58,279 --> 01:42:01,039
sleep with him and you know, sort of build them

1989
01:42:01,119 --> 01:42:05,800
build up his his prowess. Right. Well, they it seems

1990
01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:08,079
like they because they want him to do it. They're

1991
01:42:08,119 --> 01:42:09,199
the ones that are really wanting it.

1992
01:42:09,359 --> 01:42:11,760
Speaker 3: They want to demonically influence him in a certain way,

1993
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:14,399
like they're they're constantly trying to egg him on, and

1994
01:42:14,399 --> 01:42:15,800
they think it's just entertainment.

1995
01:42:16,399 --> 01:42:18,720
Speaker 2: Well you think he's the predator, that's what the thing is,

1996
01:42:18,840 --> 01:42:20,760
and those two chicks are the real predators. And you

1997
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:24,039
start to get that, and he almost legitimately looks scared

1998
01:42:24,039 --> 01:42:27,319
when they grab the guns and make him suck the guns.

1999
01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:29,319
Speaker 3: That's one of the most horrific parts.

2000
01:42:29,359 --> 01:42:32,880
Speaker 2: Right, So he actually looks starts looking scared like whoa yeah, but.

2001
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:33,479
Speaker 4: Then he loves it.

2002
01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:35,439
Speaker 3: Then he's like ooh like and then he tells him

2003
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:36,840
y'all my soulmates.

2004
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:39,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, so now he's got a new set of

2005
01:42:40,119 --> 01:42:44,359
uh hell hounds to work with him.

2006
01:42:44,840 --> 01:42:45,000
Speaker 5: Uh.

2007
01:42:45,039 --> 01:42:47,000
Speaker 2: And then the I ring I don't I don't know

2008
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:48,560
what to make of the Britney thing other than here

2009
01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:52,079
we have Brittany, another Disney princess, right, who's turned into

2010
01:42:52,119 --> 01:42:56,000
these one of these mind control hose uh, you know,

2011
01:42:56,159 --> 01:42:59,079
horror Babylon type things where she goes from innocent princess

2012
01:42:59,119 --> 01:43:03,439
to horror Babylon And they're all singing Britney songs. And

2013
01:43:03,439 --> 01:43:06,119
by the way, there's at least two Britney songs that

2014
01:43:06,199 --> 01:43:07,039
come up in the movie.

2015
01:43:07,159 --> 01:43:09,720
Speaker 3: Well, so it's there's the scene, all right, So they

2016
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:12,800
go to his house, but it skips around in time

2017
01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:14,680
a little bit, right because it's just the two girls

2018
01:43:14,720 --> 01:43:17,880
are in his bedroom and he's showing them. He's showing

2019
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:18,720
them all his stuff.

2020
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:19,000
Speaker 2: All right.

2021
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:21,960
Speaker 3: Maybe can you play audio like brief clips of audio

2022
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:26,720
from films without getting demonetized. Eh, I'll do ten seconds.

2023
01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:32,520
Franklin's here, we take all they can take, all shit,

2024
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:36,800
my shit, I got my blue koole. I don't know

2025
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:37,840
if you could hear that. I don't know if the

2026
01:43:37,880 --> 01:43:39,479
audio goes through Skype when I do that. But he's

2027
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:41,920
jumping on his bed and his bed is full of money.

2028
01:43:42,600 --> 01:43:44,319
His bed is filled with money, and he's got these

2029
01:43:44,319 --> 01:43:46,680
two young girls with him and they love it. And

2030
01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:49,079
he's got guns and money all over his bed, guns

2031
01:43:49,119 --> 01:43:52,960
and weapons all over his walls. And he's jumping around

2032
01:43:53,199 --> 01:43:56,960
in this like ecstatic state, talking about his spiritual his

2033
01:43:57,039 --> 01:44:00,399
spiritual realm, which is just all his ship.

2034
01:44:00,920 --> 01:44:01,920
Speaker 4: Look at my ship.

2035
01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:03,720
Speaker 3: So I thought, I thought this was one of the

2036
01:44:03,720 --> 01:44:05,920
best scenes in the film. And it just he's going

2037
01:44:05,960 --> 01:44:08,319
through all his weapons and his guns and his money

2038
01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:10,039
and his Calvin Klins.

2039
01:44:10,159 --> 01:44:11,720
Speaker 4: I got Calvin Klin escape.

2040
01:44:12,359 --> 01:44:13,760
Speaker 3: I smelled mess.

2041
01:44:13,640 --> 01:44:15,680
Speaker 2: And it squirts it like twenty times and both of you,

2042
01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:16,760
like you could even mix them.

2043
01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:20,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, He's like take Calvin Klin Escape Calvin Klein b

2044
01:44:20,359 --> 01:44:21,359
and he's sprays.

2045
01:44:21,039 --> 01:44:23,680
Speaker 3: It both on them. It shows all his his caps,

2046
01:44:23,720 --> 01:44:25,640
all his hats that still have the stickers on it,

2047
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:26,760
all of his sneakers.

2048
01:44:27,079 --> 01:44:28,960
Speaker 4: He's like, I got shorts every color.

2049
01:44:29,479 --> 01:44:31,720
Speaker 2: He's like, color shorts.

2050
01:44:31,319 --> 01:44:32,880
Speaker 4: I got, I got shorts.

2051
01:44:33,680 --> 01:44:36,359
Speaker 3: His accent is so funny, and it's like you're cracking

2052
01:44:36,439 --> 01:44:38,359
up watching the scene. But at the same time, it's

2053
01:44:38,359 --> 01:44:43,079
like that is the millennial MTV dream, right, you know,

2054
01:44:43,159 --> 01:44:47,479
a bunch of a bunch of weapons and money and uh, bitches,

2055
01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:50,079
I got my bitches, I got my ship, I got

2056
01:44:50,119 --> 01:44:50,920
my possessions.

2057
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:51,720
Speaker 5: Uh.

2058
01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:53,920
Speaker 3: But it really is home. It's very it's there's nothing

2059
01:44:53,920 --> 01:44:58,600
cool about it. The bed looks like, uh, you know scarfaces,

2060
01:44:58,720 --> 01:44:59,000
you know.

2061
01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:02,560
Speaker 2: Some eighties out of date. It's uh, it's it's if

2062
01:45:02,600 --> 01:45:04,199
you come, if you're if you're in Florida. You see

2063
01:45:04,199 --> 01:45:06,079
a lot of those kind of houses that were you know,

2064
01:45:06,119 --> 01:45:08,399
they were probably a million dollars back in the seventies

2065
01:45:08,439 --> 01:45:10,239
and now they're all kind of run down. They look

2066
01:45:10,279 --> 01:45:12,880
kind of nasty. On the ocean and the property would

2067
01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:15,159
still cost a lot, but you know, the houses are

2068
01:45:15,159 --> 01:45:21,439
pretty gross. So yeah, he's he's definitely in his mind,

2069
01:45:21,479 --> 01:45:24,560
he's way above what he actually is. And it's funny

2070
01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:26,239
too when he talks about his rap career, when he's

2071
01:45:26,239 --> 01:45:29,279
describing who he is, he's like, oh, no, I sell drugs.

2072
01:45:29,319 --> 01:45:31,720
But but he's like, but you see my YouTube videos.

2073
01:45:31,720 --> 01:45:32,199
I'm about to.

2074
01:45:32,199 --> 01:45:34,640
Speaker 4: Blow up, Yeah, up on youth.

2075
01:45:34,720 --> 01:45:36,920
Speaker 3: He's like, I stand in front all these people, like

2076
01:45:37,359 --> 01:45:38,119
I swear to God.

2077
01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:41,600
Speaker 4: He's like, I swear to God. It's humbling, y'all.

2078
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:43,640
Speaker 3: You know which I thought that was a funny moment

2079
01:45:43,640 --> 01:45:46,119
because you know when people usually say yeah, it was humbling,

2080
01:45:46,199 --> 01:45:50,079
it's usually when they're humble bragging exactly, like it was

2081
01:45:50,119 --> 01:45:52,359
so humbling, like having these people worship.

2082
01:45:52,159 --> 01:45:55,039
Speaker 2: Me, about to blow up on YouTube?

2083
01:45:56,039 --> 01:45:57,000
Speaker 4: Got my song on YouTube?

2084
01:45:57,039 --> 01:45:58,399
Speaker 3: What was the song called, like hanging with.

2085
01:45:58,359 --> 01:46:00,920
Speaker 2: The Dope Boys or something something dumbya.

2086
01:46:00,720 --> 01:46:02,479
Speaker 3: Some like trap song and the music.

2087
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:05,920
Speaker 2: And with the Dope Boys.

2088
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:09,840
Speaker 3: Right, So then he starts jumping around in ecstasy, grabbing

2089
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:11,239
his gun to saying I'm gonna.

2090
01:46:11,079 --> 01:46:11,960
Speaker 4: Kill that motherfucker.

2091
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:15,359
Speaker 3: I won't kill that mother and the girls are like yeah, yeah,

2092
01:46:15,399 --> 01:46:18,359
like we love it, and then the girls.

2093
01:46:18,119 --> 01:46:20,840
Speaker 2: Then then he's then they're like, you're scared, You're scared,

2094
01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:21,560
you're scared.

2095
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:23,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, what what what are you gonna do? When you

2096
01:46:23,560 --> 01:46:25,399
what are you gonna do about it? He starts, oh no.

2097
01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:27,880
He takes the money and he like puts it up

2098
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:30,359
next to her face, and she's like says something about

2099
01:46:30,399 --> 01:46:32,680
like this makes my.

2100
01:46:32,680 --> 01:46:35,880
Speaker 6: Pussy wet or something like the money makes my pussy wet.

2101
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:38,079
Speaker 3: Which was just it's so cringey. Every one of the

2102
01:46:38,079 --> 01:46:40,600
girl's lines. It's like you want to cringe. I think

2103
01:46:40,640 --> 01:46:42,880
earlier in the film, when they first stole the money,

2104
01:46:43,039 --> 01:46:44,119
one of them said like.

2105
01:46:44,199 --> 01:46:45,760
Speaker 6: It makes my tits look bigger.

2106
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:50,399
Speaker 3: It's like really funny lines like this money makes my

2107
01:46:50,479 --> 01:46:51,159
kids look Now.

2108
01:46:51,159 --> 01:46:57,600
Speaker 2: The dialogue was very base, very very degenerate, very dumb uh,

2109
01:46:57,920 --> 01:46:59,800
which is a little off putting because you think, is

2110
01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:02,199
the dialogue did he ride it that bad? Or is

2111
01:47:02,239 --> 01:47:05,560
he just literally trying to describe how idiotic eighteen year

2112
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:07,159
olds would be talking you know what I mean?

2113
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:10,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think it was intentional, Like it's

2114
01:47:10,199 --> 01:47:13,680
intentionally corny. The acting is intentionally like when the girls

2115
01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:18,359
deliver lines, they are just repeating shit they heard on TV. Right,

2116
01:47:18,359 --> 01:47:20,840
there's nothing coming from their soul. They're not speaking from

2117
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:24,279
their true self. It's just, you know, saying shit that

2118
01:47:24,279 --> 01:47:24,720
they heard.

2119
01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:26,640
Speaker 6: The money makes my taste look bigger.

2120
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:30,479
Speaker 3: That's like, there's nothing. It's very unattractive right there. It's

2121
01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:36,279
very off putting, and they're they're destroying themselves the m Yeah.

2122
01:47:36,399 --> 01:47:39,039
So then and then the chicks they take his guns

2123
01:47:39,680 --> 01:47:42,560
and they and he's like, that's loaded, y'all, and they

2124
01:47:42,600 --> 01:47:45,359
put it. They put the gun up to his head

2125
01:47:45,359 --> 01:47:48,640
and they're like, how do you know what they say do?

2126
01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:50,800
They say, like, how do you know we're not just

2127
01:47:50,840 --> 01:47:53,039
going We're not just here to take all your shit?

2128
01:47:54,279 --> 01:47:56,039
How do you know that we're not here? Let's say,

2129
01:47:56,079 --> 01:48:01,039
I'll play the audio from this from this part. You

2130
01:48:01,079 --> 01:48:03,800
think that you can just you think you can just

2131
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:07,960
fucking on us, they say, And then they say open

2132
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:10,239
your mouth, and they put the guns in his mouth

2133
01:48:10,279 --> 01:48:12,960
and they force him to like perform sexual acts on

2134
01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:16,319
the guns. It's really really gross scene, very hard to watch.

2135
01:48:16,720 --> 01:48:18,520
One of the more horrific scenes.

2136
01:48:18,640 --> 01:48:21,600
Speaker 2: That I turned away. It was a bit much gross.

2137
01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:25,840
Speaker 3: It's really disgusting. And then it cuts to them him

2138
01:48:25,880 --> 01:48:31,000
at the piano, and they've got pink their outfits. Do

2139
01:48:31,039 --> 01:48:34,039
you remember what they're wearing in this in this music video.

2140
01:48:34,399 --> 01:48:36,880
Speaker 2: On the on their butts of the of the of

2141
01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:41,319
the sweatpants, it says deep down to d T F

2142
01:48:41,520 --> 01:48:45,680
d TF, Right, it's like this pans over their face.

2143
01:48:46,079 --> 01:48:49,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's got the DTF pants and they're wearing a

2144
01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:54,359
unicorn pink ski masks, and they've got guns and they

2145
01:48:54,359 --> 01:48:57,600
sing a Britney Spears song and then it's this. It's

2146
01:48:57,640 --> 01:49:01,760
basically a music video of these girls and James Franco

2147
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:06,560
performing acts of violence and robbing just like normal Americans. Right,

2148
01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:07,439
So there's a wedding.

2149
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:09,880
Speaker 2: It's almost like it's it's in the mind what what

2150
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:13,880
in the minds of those people, they would think, you know,

2151
01:49:14,039 --> 01:49:18,199
making it up the ladder, you know, social climbing plan,

2152
01:49:18,399 --> 01:49:20,479
doing the game, you know that like in their minds,

2153
01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:22,000
that's how they think it is. It's like in a

2154
01:49:22,079 --> 01:49:22,680
music video.

2155
01:49:23,119 --> 01:49:23,520
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

2156
01:49:24,159 --> 01:49:25,760
Speaker 2: It's like that's how you get to the top.

2157
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:28,000
Speaker 3: And it's literally a music video. So they're dressed up

2158
01:49:28,039 --> 01:49:32,159
in all their brand new sneakers, like bright hot sneakers,

2159
01:49:32,279 --> 01:49:35,159
and their their starter caps or whatever and they're they're

2160
01:49:35,800 --> 01:49:39,359
you know, just pistol whipping people and the uh they

2161
01:49:39,359 --> 01:49:42,039
go to a wedding and they smash this dude into

2162
01:49:42,079 --> 01:49:44,359
the cake and it's just this really corny music video.

2163
01:49:45,399 --> 01:49:49,560
Speaker 2: Basically they start robbing people on spring break and people

2164
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:50,159
having parties.

2165
01:49:50,239 --> 01:49:53,239
Speaker 3: Right, you know what, Jay, let me, let me let's

2166
01:49:53,239 --> 01:49:55,960
re establish the sky call because I'm getting like audio interference.

2167
01:49:56,039 --> 01:49:57,600
Let me just restart the sky call real quick.

2168
01:50:02,159 --> 01:50:17,239
Speaker 5: What all right? There? You are?

2169
01:50:18,079 --> 01:50:22,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, And that sequence ends with them sitting in

2170
01:50:22,720 --> 01:50:26,439
somebody else's house looking at three dudes tied up in

2171
01:50:26,520 --> 01:50:30,159
a bed and there and they're smoking a joint and

2172
01:50:30,239 --> 01:50:33,119
just like looking really cool with their guns and squinty

2173
01:50:33,199 --> 01:50:37,279
eyes and looking hard in a music video. I don't

2174
01:50:37,319 --> 01:50:38,920
know what to make of that sequence, but it's kind

2175
01:50:38,920 --> 01:50:41,039
of it's kind of haunting, like the way it was

2176
01:50:41,079 --> 01:50:45,279
shot in the camera angles and it's done cinematically really

2177
01:50:45,319 --> 01:50:50,479
well with this really corny Britney Spears song. Yeah, but

2178
01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:52,439
there's something that was kind of like haunting about it.

2179
01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:57,000
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's the fulfillment of her line at the beginning,

2180
01:50:57,039 --> 01:50:58,840
you gotta be don't be scared of nothing. You got

2181
01:50:58,920 --> 01:51:00,479
to act like you in a movie act like you're

2182
01:51:00,479 --> 01:51:03,159
in a video game. You've got to be hard and

2183
01:51:03,199 --> 01:51:04,359
then here it is.

2184
01:51:04,399 --> 01:51:06,680
Speaker 3: Right right, So, I mean it's it's funny. It's like,

2185
01:51:06,720 --> 01:51:09,880
you know, the whole millennial world, what they aspire to,

2186
01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:12,800
what we've been taught, uh since we were little kids

2187
01:51:13,199 --> 01:51:18,600
to look forward to, is just you know, material possessions, money, guns, drugs,

2188
01:51:18,600 --> 01:51:19,119
and hoes.

2189
01:51:20,239 --> 01:51:23,039
Speaker 2: And the irony, of course, is that it's not really real.

2190
01:51:23,119 --> 01:51:27,079
I mean, the story is over the top. It's it's

2191
01:51:27,119 --> 01:51:30,600
over the top in the same way as rap videos

2192
01:51:30,600 --> 01:51:34,520
are over the top. You know, they're they're egregiously over

2193
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:40,279
the top right there, my allergies. I'm not snorting coked.

2194
01:51:40,279 --> 01:51:41,840
I'm not doing those spring Breakers style.

2195
01:51:42,239 --> 01:51:45,199
Speaker 3: You're not hanging out with a riff raff over there South.

2196
01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:49,359
Speaker 1: Floorda uh pepple mint tint, my pepple mint tent.

2197
01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:54,239
Speaker 2: But anyway, Yeah, so the movie itself is over the top.

2198
01:51:56,560 --> 01:51:59,880
I think the the ending is. And it's interesting that

2199
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:02,920
it's Gucci Mane. It's it's a over the top rapper

2200
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:09,960
who is the lead gangster who is callously, coldly just

2201
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:13,600
assassinated at the end. You know, we've seen this in Wrapped,

2202
01:52:13,800 --> 01:52:15,600
you know, to a large degree of many rappers do

2203
01:52:15,720 --> 01:52:17,119
get assassinated.

2204
01:52:16,720 --> 01:52:18,359
Speaker 3: Well, they hype them up, right, So they hype up

2205
01:52:18,439 --> 01:52:20,560
James Franco and then they go to strip clubs and stuff.

2206
01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:23,119
They do all the corny rap video ship and then

2207
01:52:23,159 --> 01:52:25,239
you finally convince him you got to go kill this guy.

2208
01:52:25,279 --> 01:52:27,359
Speaker 2: You got to kill your you gotta kill Gucci Mane.

2209
01:52:27,439 --> 01:52:30,479
And the irony there is James Franco is dead right away,

2210
01:52:30,640 --> 01:52:32,880
like he gets shot right when they get off, right

2211
01:52:32,920 --> 01:52:35,840
when they as soon as they're walking onto the plank

2212
01:52:36,039 --> 01:52:39,760
of Gucci Mane's.

2213
01:52:39,680 --> 01:52:40,920
Speaker 3: They're on this Neon bridge.

2214
01:52:41,640 --> 01:52:43,199
Speaker 2: They pull up to his boat dock and they get

2215
01:52:43,199 --> 01:52:44,960
as soon as he steps out, Jane Franks got shot

2216
01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:45,359
in the head.

2217
01:52:45,600 --> 01:52:47,319
Speaker 3: He's down, yeah, And then they're on this like big

2218
01:52:47,439 --> 01:52:50,920
Neon bridge and James Franco gets shot. Do they turn

2219
01:52:50,960 --> 01:52:52,640
around and look or do they just keep running?

2220
01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:55,479
Speaker 2: Like they just keep running. They give him a kiss

2221
01:52:55,520 --> 01:52:57,880
when they're coming out, but they just keep going. Take

2222
01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:01,000
They take down all the Gucci Mane's guards, and they just.

2223
01:53:01,039 --> 01:53:03,239
Speaker 3: They don't even look. They just play the guns around

2224
01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:06,600
and then the guys everyone falls, right, all these dudes fall.

2225
01:53:06,960 --> 01:53:09,479
They break into Gucci Man's room Gucci Mane's room and

2226
01:53:09,520 --> 01:53:11,359
he's there with his two he's got.

2227
01:53:11,239 --> 01:53:13,600
Speaker 2: Like he's in his hot tub and he's got two

2228
01:53:13,640 --> 01:53:17,000
hoes in the shower he's watching. Yeah, and uh, they

2229
01:53:17,119 --> 01:53:22,279
just and it's over. They run out, give James Franco

2230
01:53:22,319 --> 01:53:25,880
a kiss and head out and the film. The film

2231
01:53:25,920 --> 01:53:29,960
closes with the film closes with the two uh most

2232
01:53:30,119 --> 01:53:34,600
wicked predators driving Gucci Mane's Maserati or whatever it was.

2233
01:53:35,199 --> 01:53:39,760
Speaker 3: So the the two Disney princesses raised on the pop culture.

2234
01:53:40,119 --> 01:53:42,600
The only things they consume in this entire film. It

2235
01:53:42,640 --> 01:53:45,279
never shows them eating any real food. They're just smoking weed,

2236
01:53:45,399 --> 01:53:45,960
doing coke.

2237
01:53:46,119 --> 01:53:47,439
Speaker 2: It's just it's just drugs.

2238
01:53:47,600 --> 01:53:49,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they ate fruit loops one time.

2239
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:51,039
Speaker 4: That's I noticed that.

2240
01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:53,439
Speaker 3: One time they consume fruit loops. But then they're you know,

2241
01:53:53,439 --> 01:53:55,840
they're blowing weed, smoking each other's mouth or just getting

2242
01:53:56,319 --> 01:54:01,079
uh fucked up the whole movie. And then did you

2243
01:54:01,640 --> 01:54:05,159
they also in the last scene when they're leaving, they're

2244
01:54:05,199 --> 01:54:07,560
talking to their parents on their cell phones.

2245
01:54:08,119 --> 01:54:10,079
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and they're talking about how they want to

2246
01:54:10,119 --> 01:54:13,560
be better and which is all bullshit. Yeah, it's all lies.

2247
01:54:13,880 --> 01:54:15,399
Speaker 4: Like I just I can't wait to come home.

2248
01:54:15,479 --> 01:54:16,680
Speaker 3: I've learned so much here.

2249
01:54:16,720 --> 01:54:18,520
Speaker 2: It's like, I wants to be a good girl now.

2250
01:54:18,960 --> 01:54:21,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's the most spiritual place I've ever been in

2251
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:22,319
my life.

2252
01:54:22,399 --> 01:54:25,199
Speaker 3: And stuff like saying these really corny things that are

2253
01:54:25,279 --> 01:54:28,439
so juxtaposed to what the actions that they're taking are,

2254
01:54:30,319 --> 01:54:33,159
and it's it's it's like horrific. You're seeing these girls

2255
01:54:33,199 --> 01:54:34,840
and they're they're talking to their parents on the phone.

2256
01:54:34,840 --> 01:54:37,359
The people who are funding their whole operation have no

2257
01:54:37,520 --> 01:54:40,960
idea how demented and destroyed they are. They go and

2258
01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:43,000
they you know, they kill all the black characters in

2259
01:54:43,039 --> 01:54:46,319
the film, and these two little pampered chicks go back

2260
01:54:46,319 --> 01:54:49,239
to their dorm room with the maserati from Gucci Maine

2261
01:54:49,439 --> 01:54:52,319
and and they're just they're they're fine with it. They

2262
01:54:52,319 --> 01:54:54,479
don't look guilty at all. They're not freaked out. It's

2263
01:54:54,600 --> 01:54:56,279
just here's what we are.

2264
01:54:57,800 --> 01:55:02,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, the total moral abandoned, no no compunction, no sense

2265
01:55:02,399 --> 01:55:06,520
of guilt, and the complete double thing, the ability in

2266
01:55:06,640 --> 01:55:10,319
their own minds to call home say that they're good

2267
01:55:10,359 --> 01:55:12,199
girls and they want to do much better. They want

2268
01:55:12,199 --> 01:55:14,319
to get back to being a good girl the way

2269
01:55:14,359 --> 01:55:18,159
they used to be. And then they murder a bunch

2270
01:55:18,199 --> 01:55:21,560
of people and have no guilt about it and don't

2271
01:55:21,560 --> 01:55:25,680
even care, right, they're just like continuing on. I think

2272
01:55:25,760 --> 01:55:31,399
speaks to that's his portrayal of the dangers and degeneracy

2273
01:55:31,439 --> 01:55:34,319
of the millennials, just like Kids was a portrayal of

2274
01:55:34,359 --> 01:55:38,359
the dangerous and degeneracy of my generation gen X or

2275
01:55:38,399 --> 01:55:41,760
whatever it's. It's it's very parallel to Kids. It's almost

2276
01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:45,840
like the same type of film. Kids is about, you know,

2277
01:55:45,920 --> 01:55:48,880
this group of friends that that have you know, total

2278
01:55:49,319 --> 01:55:54,720
no moral compass, no no compunction. And then one of them,

2279
01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:58,079
even if I recalled, isn't it he gets off basically

2280
01:55:58,159 --> 01:55:59,760
on spreading aids. Isn't that The point is? Like he

2281
01:55:59,760 --> 01:56:02,159
does even care that he has age. He's gonna spread.

2282
01:56:03,239 --> 01:56:05,680
Speaker 3: Where he I think, No, he doesn't know, but he

2283
01:56:05,760 --> 01:56:07,079
doesn't want to know, right.

2284
01:56:07,359 --> 01:56:09,039
Speaker 2: That's right, he doesn't want to know. He's just just

2285
01:56:09,279 --> 01:56:09,840
just who cares?

2286
01:56:09,960 --> 01:56:12,279
Speaker 3: Kelly? Right, that was his name was Kelly, Kelly exactly.

2287
01:56:12,319 --> 01:56:14,600
And then Casper is the other guy, and Casper just

2288
01:56:14,720 --> 01:56:17,479
finding out at the end, like he learns, right, doesn't

2289
01:56:17,520 --> 01:56:21,920
he learn? Someone tells him and then he wakes up.

2290
01:56:21,800 --> 01:56:24,119
Speaker 2: And he goes it. Doesn't he go ahead and screw

2291
01:56:24,199 --> 01:56:25,199
that girl? Anyway, that's what.

2292
01:56:25,319 --> 01:56:27,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what he does. He actually he doesn't care.

2293
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:30,319
He's always talking about I don't use no condom man,

2294
01:56:30,479 --> 01:56:33,439
Like he's just like I'm sick with at Yo. They're

2295
01:56:33,439 --> 01:56:36,199
all just you know, skateboarding around and there's steel beer

2296
01:56:36,279 --> 01:56:37,720
and ship and I think the last scene of that

2297
01:56:37,800 --> 01:56:40,960
film is him waking up and saying, what the fuck happened?

2298
01:56:41,359 --> 01:56:46,640
And after just this night of infecting somebody with with

2299
01:56:46,920 --> 01:56:50,640
HIV or no, he would have gotten HIV, right.

2300
01:56:52,079 --> 01:56:54,600
Speaker 2: It's something like that. It's been I haven't seen it

2301
01:56:54,720 --> 01:56:55,359
since it came out.

2302
01:56:55,520 --> 01:56:56,920
Speaker 3: That's another horror movie.

2303
01:56:57,119 --> 01:57:00,319
Speaker 2: It's actually a horror and so so is that. It's

2304
01:57:00,359 --> 01:57:03,159
just two different generations of of you know, how they

2305
01:57:04,119 --> 01:57:09,960
how they were corrupted by pop culture, drugs, degeneracy, uh,

2306
01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:15,640
temptation essentially. Yeah, And in that regard, yes, it is

2307
01:57:16,079 --> 01:57:18,439
a telling film. I just don't it's kind of like

2308
01:57:18,520 --> 01:57:22,920
the same. It's the ending of Under the Silver Lake, Like,

2309
01:57:23,000 --> 01:57:25,159
what exactly does he mean by this ending? Does he

2310
01:57:25,239 --> 01:57:27,239
mean that there's no hope for that generation, that they're

2311
01:57:27,359 --> 01:57:32,319
just basically abandoned to moral nihilism or or what? How

2312
01:57:32,359 --> 01:57:34,840
do you how do you read that ending for shrewd breakers.

2313
01:57:36,279 --> 01:57:39,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just pulled up the last shot. So the

2314
01:57:39,279 --> 01:57:42,319
last shot, uh, well, they're in the car, and then

2315
01:57:42,319 --> 01:57:44,760
the last shot is James Franco's dead body, the cameras

2316
01:57:44,880 --> 01:57:47,720
upside down for some reason, the angles upside down. They

2317
01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:50,600
kiss him with their fake pink ski mask on that

2318
01:57:50,720 --> 01:57:55,159
has a unicorn on their on their third a and

2319
01:57:55,239 --> 01:57:58,039
then they walk off in their bikinis across a neon bridge.

2320
01:57:59,279 --> 01:58:01,840
That's the last uh, I think. I think basically what

2321
01:58:01,920 --> 01:58:06,319
he's saying is that the driving force. Well, first of all,

2322
01:58:06,359 --> 01:58:08,880
it's like James Franco, Gucci May and all these hard

2323
01:58:08,920 --> 01:58:12,000
ass gangsters are not the real demons in the film.

2324
01:58:12,079 --> 01:58:14,640
These two girls are actually literal demons. And there's a

2325
01:58:14,680 --> 01:58:16,680
reference to it, which we forgot to talk about earlier,

2326
01:58:16,720 --> 01:58:19,279
when Faith is talking to her friends and they're like,

2327
01:58:19,479 --> 01:58:22,439
you gotta watch out for them girls. They got demon blood.

2328
01:58:22,920 --> 01:58:27,319
Speaker 2: Oh that's right. That the the the redneck chicks in

2329
01:58:27,479 --> 01:58:29,840
her hometown. They're like, don't go down to Florida with them.

2330
01:58:29,960 --> 01:58:31,000
They got demons in them.

2331
01:58:31,399 --> 01:58:32,239
Speaker 4: I'm anna pray for you.

2332
01:58:32,439 --> 01:58:39,279
Speaker 3: I'm all pray real hard. So they kill their own,

2333
01:58:39,359 --> 01:58:41,159
you know, this guy that comes to save them they

2334
01:58:41,239 --> 01:58:45,640
basically their whole thing is about baiting James Franco into it,

2335
01:58:46,199 --> 01:58:48,960
taking all his possessions, taking his life, destroying all the

2336
01:58:49,000 --> 01:58:51,319
lives around them. So I think it's basically just saying

2337
01:58:51,399 --> 01:58:56,760
that the driving force behind, like the whole pop culture, degenerosity, destruction.

2338
01:58:58,680 --> 01:59:01,560
He's showing that it it permeates through the little girls,

2339
01:59:01,880 --> 01:59:04,800
Like it's not the hardcore gangsters that are destroying America,

2340
01:59:05,439 --> 01:59:07,960
it's these little girls that are consuming the pop culture.

2341
01:59:08,239 --> 01:59:12,600
And really what they're influenced by is the pop culture imagery,

2342
01:59:13,159 --> 01:59:16,640
is the serial box map, just like What's his Face

2343
01:59:17,039 --> 01:59:20,920
Andrew Garfield and the other film. So that's what drives

2344
01:59:20,960 --> 01:59:23,159
their behavior. So I think ultimately it's about the demonic

2345
01:59:23,239 --> 01:59:26,119
and spiritual nature of pop culture and what it's meant

2346
01:59:26,199 --> 01:59:32,720
to do, And it's meant to commercialize, commoditize, and ultimately

2347
01:59:32,840 --> 01:59:39,159
cannibalize all these other little subcultures and spit out people

2348
01:59:39,279 --> 01:59:40,000
as a product.

2349
01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:43,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, instead of scripture as a map, instead of the

2350
01:59:43,399 --> 01:59:46,279
Bible as a map, tradition, heritage that we've had as

2351
01:59:46,359 --> 01:59:49,800
these maps. Now your map is something that your mind

2352
01:59:49,880 --> 01:59:52,920
creates out of pop culture, whether it's a Zelda map

2353
01:59:53,039 --> 01:59:55,760
or whether it's you know, a video game quest or

2354
01:59:55,800 --> 01:59:59,880
whether it's the quest to become immortal through partying in

2355
02:00:00,079 --> 02:00:03,680
and spring break you know locales, or to become a

2356
02:00:03,840 --> 02:00:07,079
rapper and you know, ascend them to the the stardom

2357
02:00:07,159 --> 02:00:10,920
of rapper nonsense, you know, it's all it's all fake.

2358
02:00:11,119 --> 02:00:16,880
It's all built on break faull have that's what. Yeah,

2359
02:00:16,920 --> 02:00:19,680
that comes up a lot in the film too, and uh,

2360
02:00:20,279 --> 02:00:22,279
Alien says that three or four times at one point

2361
02:00:22,479 --> 02:00:25,319
spry right fine right ruh.

2362
02:00:25,560 --> 02:00:27,279
Speaker 3: And then the girls, I think one of the last

2363
02:00:27,319 --> 02:00:30,159
lines that they say might be spring Break forever bitches.

2364
02:00:30,840 --> 02:00:32,800
It sounds so corny when they say it, right, It's like,

2365
02:00:33,520 --> 02:00:37,239
but that's how they Yeah, they live in like they

2366
02:00:37,319 --> 02:00:40,399
speak in tweets, they speak in Facebook, because even when

2367
02:00:40,399 --> 02:00:43,720
they're talking to their mom, it's like this false you know,

2368
02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:45,720
their voice sounds a little different. It sounds really corny.

2369
02:00:45,760 --> 02:00:48,520
It sounds forced, it sounds fake. And that's intentional, right,

2370
02:00:48,560 --> 02:00:50,439
he could have gotten good performances out of them and

2371
02:00:50,479 --> 02:00:52,399
say those things like they mean it, but it's meant

2372
02:00:52,439 --> 02:00:54,600
to sound false. It's meant to sound like there's three

2373
02:00:54,720 --> 02:00:58,760
layers of bullshit in between the characters and their actions.

2374
02:01:00,279 --> 02:01:03,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, so lying to others in line to yourself. That's

2375
02:01:03,319 --> 02:01:05,119
another theme there, yeah.

2376
02:01:05,560 --> 02:01:08,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And it's kind of spiritual deception too, right,

2377
02:01:08,359 --> 02:01:10,760
where it's like the audience thinks that Alien is the

2378
02:01:11,359 --> 02:01:14,479
devil character, right, you think Alien's this, Oh he's the devil,

2379
02:01:14,560 --> 02:01:18,039
He's Satan. But it really turns out that these little

2380
02:01:18,199 --> 02:01:22,079
eighteen year old girls fed pop culture, raised.

2381
02:01:21,800 --> 02:01:25,439
Speaker 2: On you know, fruit, are more wicked than Alien. Yeah yeah, right,

2382
02:01:25,680 --> 02:01:27,720
al And they had a completely they had a completely

2383
02:01:27,760 --> 02:01:31,920
different upbringing. You know, Alien his upbringing, unless he's all

2384
02:01:31,960 --> 02:01:34,279
making it up, I mean seems to be he really

2385
02:01:34,359 --> 02:01:36,439
did grow up on the streets and he really was,

2386
02:01:36,600 --> 02:01:38,560
you know, taught the game by Gucci Man and all

2387
02:01:38,560 --> 02:01:41,159
this stuff. That all seems to be really the case.

2388
02:01:41,880 --> 02:01:44,479
And these girls are sheltered. They're from this small town,

2389
02:01:45,199 --> 02:01:47,359
you know, they're just going to some community college or whatever.

2390
02:01:48,119 --> 02:01:50,279
They're ready to get out, and they the irony is

2391
02:01:50,319 --> 02:01:53,960
that they have been downloaded with the pop culture and

2392
02:01:54,079 --> 02:01:58,039
have it's produced a more wicked character than Alien, who

2393
02:01:58,079 --> 02:02:00,359
actually did grow up on the streets. Yeah.

2394
02:02:00,399 --> 02:02:03,640
Speaker 3: They're more destructive, more violent, more dangerous, and more evil.

2395
02:02:04,560 --> 02:02:06,279
And it's funny. Yeah, and you're right, they go to

2396
02:02:07,079 --> 02:02:10,760
spring Break to consume this like as an experience, right,

2397
02:02:10,840 --> 02:02:13,359
So they they see people like Gucci Maine, these dudes

2398
02:02:13,399 --> 02:02:15,319
that are really living these lives in the hood, and

2399
02:02:15,680 --> 02:02:19,199
you know James Franco's character, they just they don't care

2400
02:02:19,199 --> 02:02:21,119
about really connecting with these people or anything. It's just

2401
02:02:21,119 --> 02:02:21,560
about it now.

2402
02:02:21,720 --> 02:02:24,680
Speaker 2: They see them as extras in their rap video. M h.

2403
02:02:25,199 --> 02:02:27,159
Speaker 3: Yeah. And they steal their car in the end and

2404
02:02:27,399 --> 02:02:32,119
driving with their guns and all that, and it's people.

2405
02:02:32,960 --> 02:02:34,439
When you watch the uh, I think a lot of

2406
02:02:34,479 --> 02:02:36,800
people probably said, oh, it's so what a weird movie?

2407
02:02:36,880 --> 02:02:38,520
Why is it so corny? In the end, they just

2408
02:02:38,840 --> 02:02:40,560
they don't get shot at all. The girls are just

2409
02:02:40,640 --> 02:02:43,439
running around waving guns around and everyone falls and it's

2410
02:02:43,479 --> 02:02:47,279
just it's so unrealistic. But that that's the reality that

2411
02:02:47,319 --> 02:02:50,439
they're given. They're given total false reality.

2412
02:02:50,079 --> 02:02:52,720
Speaker 2: To Yeah, they're chasing they're chasing a phantasm, they're chasing

2413
02:02:52,720 --> 02:02:55,079
an illusion. And that would be another common theme amongst

2414
02:02:55,119 --> 02:02:58,720
both of these movies is chasing down something that's not

2415
02:02:58,840 --> 02:03:02,159
going to fulfill you. That's that's illusory. So now if

2416
02:03:02,159 --> 02:03:03,880
you read it in that way, I think you can

2417
02:03:03,960 --> 02:03:07,279
see it as as a positive assessment there.

2418
02:03:08,359 --> 02:03:10,119
Speaker 3: So what do you think Harmony Kurran. Do you think

2419
02:03:10,119 --> 02:03:12,840
Harmony Kuran's trying to try to wake up the millennials

2420
02:03:12,920 --> 02:03:15,000
or do you think he's just like satanically rubbing their

2421
02:03:15,039 --> 02:03:16,920
face and their ship and saying, look what you did.

2422
02:03:19,000 --> 02:03:21,840
Speaker 2: It could be a mixed message there. I mean, I've

2423
02:03:21,920 --> 02:03:28,079
never talked to him, but I think he's he's probably

2424
02:03:28,119 --> 02:03:29,760
trying to do a bunch of different things at once.

2425
02:03:29,800 --> 02:03:32,079
He probably wants to, on the one hand, have an interesting,

2426
02:03:33,199 --> 02:03:36,199
meaningful message, but he's also got to please you know,

2427
02:03:36,319 --> 02:03:38,680
Disney or whoever funds the films. But he's also got

2428
02:03:38,800 --> 02:03:42,439
to you know, he's got to try to skate between

2429
02:03:42,920 --> 02:03:46,239
Sola and Charybdis. So, you know, it's similar to any

2430
02:03:46,399 --> 02:03:49,680
anybody who has a big name, you know, a bunch

2431
02:03:49,720 --> 02:03:51,720
of stars in the film. It's it's hard to figure

2432
02:03:51,760 --> 02:03:56,279
out what their motivations are. But yeah, I don't, I

2433
02:03:56,319 --> 02:03:58,279
don't know. It's just I have to look and see

2434
02:03:58,279 --> 02:03:59,880
what some some of what he says in interviews.

2435
02:04:00,039 --> 02:04:03,039
Speaker 3: Probably, But yeah, I remember when I first saw the movie,

2436
02:04:03,079 --> 02:04:04,600
I did look at some of that and look at

2437
02:04:04,640 --> 02:04:07,960
some of the promotional material. It was Yeah, what I

2438
02:04:08,079 --> 02:04:12,239
remember is he was going for well, I mean, he

2439
02:04:12,319 --> 02:04:14,359
didn't really say exactly what he was doing, but he

2440
02:04:14,600 --> 02:04:19,439
seems like a very intelligent guy, very very very intelligent,

2441
02:04:19,520 --> 02:04:21,680
knew exactly the aesthetic and stuff that he wanted, and

2442
02:04:21,800 --> 02:04:25,560
he sought out this cinematographer the same have you seen

2443
02:04:25,640 --> 02:04:29,960
Into the Void, horrible terrible horror film. That movie is freaky.

2444
02:04:30,520 --> 02:04:33,920
Also the cinematographer that did that did this movie. So

2445
02:04:33,960 --> 02:04:35,039
I think that's why you see a lot of the

2446
02:04:35,079 --> 02:04:39,680
same colors and stuff like that. What was interesting about

2447
02:04:40,560 --> 02:04:44,600
like the promotional stuff. They tried to promote this too

2448
02:04:45,840 --> 02:04:51,359
millennial kids and teenagers as hot, sex, drugs, rock and roll,

2449
02:04:51,399 --> 02:04:56,720
spring break movie. And the reaction was that everyone who

2450
02:04:56,760 --> 02:04:58,920
saw the movie hated it. Right, they thought it was

2451
02:04:58,960 --> 02:05:01,760
they thought they were going to see pop culture like, oh,

2452
02:05:01,840 --> 02:05:04,920
it's gonna be this cool movie with boobies, and they

2453
02:05:05,079 --> 02:05:07,880
went and it was just horrific. Yeah, you know, it

2454
02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:11,880
was this very this very very terrible movie, intentionally corny,

2455
02:05:11,960 --> 02:05:17,079
intentionally strange, and and I think the response critically was

2456
02:05:17,159 --> 02:05:20,560
people hated it. Once said that this is a terrible movie,

2457
02:05:20,960 --> 02:05:24,199
don't go see it, like hashtag spring Breakers sucks, stuff

2458
02:05:24,239 --> 02:05:27,159
like that. So I think that was maybe his intention,

2459
02:05:27,560 --> 02:05:28,600
like kind of trying.

2460
02:05:28,399 --> 02:05:30,640
Speaker 2: To think so that makes sense, Yeah.

2461
02:05:30,439 --> 02:05:33,159
Speaker 3: Because he knew commercially how it would be. He doesn't

2462
02:05:33,199 --> 02:05:35,319
have control over like the trailers and this and that,

2463
02:05:35,439 --> 02:05:39,399
and he probably figured how it would be marketed. And yeah,

2464
02:05:39,439 --> 02:05:41,439
it must it must have been an interesting process making

2465
02:05:41,520 --> 02:05:47,680
this film. But but definitely yeah, you know, very very gaudy, right,

2466
02:05:47,800 --> 02:05:49,600
like very uh tacky.

2467
02:05:49,760 --> 02:05:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2468
02:05:50,079 --> 02:05:52,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the sex scenes are like gross, right, anytime

2469
02:05:52,800 --> 02:05:55,079
that there's some sexuality or kissing or something, it's like

2470
02:05:55,720 --> 02:06:00,760
over tongue, like really really gross. Like human contact in

2471
02:06:00,800 --> 02:06:04,640
the film is portrayed as violent almost, like all the

2472
02:06:04,760 --> 02:06:09,760
sex is it feels violent, and the violence is made sexy,

2473
02:06:10,920 --> 02:06:13,600
which is kind of I guess that's the how they

2474
02:06:13,640 --> 02:06:14,800
do it in pop culture these days.

2475
02:06:14,920 --> 02:06:17,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, like there's no understanding of a difference between like

2476
02:06:17,960 --> 02:06:22,880
eroticism or genuine seduction or something like that and just

2477
02:06:23,119 --> 02:06:25,840
really gross porn like it like the whole generation was

2478
02:06:25,880 --> 02:06:28,199
over pornographized.

2479
02:06:27,560 --> 02:06:27,720
Speaker 5: You know.

2480
02:06:28,159 --> 02:06:33,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know what was interesting. I know you've

2481
02:06:33,039 --> 02:06:36,279
done some stuff on the Broni's and the weird subcultures

2482
02:06:36,319 --> 02:06:39,319
and stuff. They they're watching the only film like on

2483
02:06:39,359 --> 02:06:42,279
their TVs. They're watching My Little Pony, and I think

2484
02:06:42,399 --> 02:06:43,720
care Bears, And.

2485
02:06:44,279 --> 02:06:46,479
Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't notice the care Bears. I saw that

2486
02:06:46,560 --> 02:06:48,359
my little Pony stuff. Yeah, the brony crop.

2487
02:06:48,399 --> 02:06:49,880
Speaker 3: I might be wrong about care Bears, but I saw

2488
02:06:50,039 --> 02:06:53,720
My Little Pony. And then Kimbo Slice Street Fights on YouTube.

2489
02:06:55,800 --> 02:06:58,239
It's like in the background, it's for some reason watching

2490
02:06:58,279 --> 02:07:00,880
the Kimbo Slice beat the shit out one in a backyard.

2491
02:07:01,520 --> 02:07:04,720
But yeah, really really weird movie. I actually I don't

2492
02:07:04,720 --> 02:07:06,680
know what do you Which one did you enjoy? More

2493
02:07:07,479 --> 02:07:08,960
Silver lak Ers spring Breakers?

2494
02:07:09,439 --> 02:07:13,600
Speaker 2: Well, you've You've pulled up some points in spring Breakers

2495
02:07:13,640 --> 02:07:17,319
that I miss so I'm rethinking some of the elements

2496
02:07:17,359 --> 02:07:19,000
of it that I missed. That I that I didn't

2497
02:07:19,119 --> 02:07:21,199
catch that first because I've only seen it once. Yeah,

2498
02:07:21,920 --> 02:07:23,439
I like Under the Silver like a little bit better,

2499
02:07:23,520 --> 02:07:25,760
just because of the depth and the twin peaks and

2500
02:07:25,800 --> 02:07:28,600
old Hollywood references. That's and I kind of feel like

2501
02:07:28,640 --> 02:07:31,319
an Andrew Garfield type of character. Not that I'm a

2502
02:07:31,479 --> 02:07:34,479
listless millennial, but I'm right on the edge of you.

2503
02:07:34,479 --> 02:07:36,880
Speaker 3: Know, gen z and millennial and you're really into older

2504
02:07:36,920 --> 02:07:38,079
women like grannies.

2505
02:07:38,760 --> 02:07:43,279
Speaker 2: I live with a naked hippie, a naked boomer hippie.

2506
02:07:43,319 --> 02:07:47,840
Now and I like to ten birds. There's twenty bird

2507
02:07:47,920 --> 02:07:53,680
cages shitting, bird shitting everywhere. Now, Yeah, I like that.

2508
02:07:53,800 --> 02:07:57,920
It was you know, he's basically decoding Hollywood and he

2509
02:07:58,039 --> 02:08:01,720
doesn't know how to process it. And it's an ambiguous ending.

2510
02:08:02,199 --> 02:08:06,279
But you know, the synchronistic you know, connections and the

2511
02:08:06,359 --> 02:08:10,279
weird stuff behind the pop culture. It's all true. You know,

2512
02:08:10,399 --> 02:08:12,279
what we're gonna do with that is a different question,

2513
02:08:12,359 --> 02:08:14,159
but it's it's all there. There's no question that the

2514
02:08:14,199 --> 02:08:16,520
movie makes it clear that it is true. You know,

2515
02:08:16,640 --> 02:08:19,079
he kind of gives up. Is that the right response?

2516
02:08:19,159 --> 02:08:21,800
I don't know, but but it was fun. We'll have

2517
02:08:21,880 --> 02:08:23,199
to do another one of these. We'll pick out a

2518
02:08:23,239 --> 02:08:25,039
couple more movies. I'm gonna have to go here pretty soon.

2519
02:08:25,199 --> 02:08:26,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I gotta get out of here too. I'm

2520
02:08:27,920 --> 02:08:29,840
sitting down too long. My back hurts.

2521
02:08:30,479 --> 02:08:30,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2522
02:08:31,199 --> 02:08:32,560
Speaker 3: Cool man, Hey, that that was fun.

2523
02:08:32,600 --> 02:08:32,920
Speaker 2: I like this.

2524
02:08:33,159 --> 02:08:36,880
Speaker 3: It's I've wanted to do movie reviews at some point,

2525
02:08:36,960 --> 02:08:38,479
but it's so it's hard to do it.

2526
02:08:38,640 --> 02:08:39,079
Speaker 2: On your own.

2527
02:08:39,079 --> 02:08:40,439
Speaker 3: We got to you got a little siskeel and.

2528
02:08:40,439 --> 02:08:42,439
Speaker 2: Either Yeah, it's better when there's two people and and

2529
02:08:42,600 --> 02:08:45,039
you you've you noticed and pick up things I missed.

2530
02:08:45,119 --> 02:08:47,600
So yeah, that's always good to have two to have

2531
02:08:47,680 --> 02:08:49,680
two eyes on something, four eyes on something.

2532
02:08:49,920 --> 02:08:52,039
Speaker 3: All right, So I got a suggestion for the next one.

2533
02:08:52,079 --> 02:08:53,840
You probably already know because they're bugging you about this

2534
02:08:53,920 --> 02:08:57,720
one already. So it ties in with the same theme

2535
02:08:58,279 --> 02:09:01,399
with you know, the following the White Rabbit down the.

2536
02:09:01,960 --> 02:09:04,319
Speaker 2: Whole three episodes into Utopia.

2537
02:09:04,359 --> 02:09:07,880
Speaker 3: That's what you're gonna say, exactly, so awesome. So we'll

2538
02:09:07,920 --> 02:09:10,600
do Utopia next once you finish that series. I think

2539
02:09:10,680 --> 02:09:15,039
I think there's twelve episodes. Ye, and it's yeah, it's

2540
02:09:15,079 --> 02:09:18,479
easy to watch because there's a captivating story. But we'll

2541
02:09:18,520 --> 02:09:19,920
do that next. So you guys can find more at

2542
02:09:19,920 --> 02:09:22,640
a Jay's Analysis dot com. I gotta say, if you're

2543
02:09:22,680 --> 02:09:26,560
not already subscribe to Jay's Analysis dot com, you gotta

2544
02:09:26,600 --> 02:09:29,159
become a subscriber. He not only does he do a

2545
02:09:29,199 --> 02:09:31,720
lot of you know, pop culture analysis and stuff to uh.

2546
02:09:31,840 --> 02:09:34,439
Speaker 4: To bring the kids in, to bring the the the views.

2547
02:09:34,439 --> 02:09:36,159
Speaker 3: You gotta get the clicks, but you know what, he

2548
02:09:36,439 --> 02:09:41,880
does some of the most incredible theological analysis of modern

2549
02:09:42,159 --> 02:09:44,760
culture and as well as just he breaks down some

2550
02:09:44,800 --> 02:09:47,119
of the old church father's books, and uh, he does

2551
02:09:47,159 --> 02:09:50,600
a globalist book series that's really good. His website and

2552
02:09:50,720 --> 02:09:53,319
his YouTube channel. I mean he's he's giving you like

2553
02:09:53,520 --> 02:09:59,159
university level theology lectures for free on YouTube almost every

2554
02:09:59,199 --> 02:10:01,600
other day, and I can't even keep up with it.

2555
02:10:01,680 --> 02:10:04,039
I sometimes have to listen to his lectures twice to

2556
02:10:04,399 --> 02:10:07,359
to really understand what, uh the deep truth that he's

2557
02:10:07,560 --> 02:10:10,359
getting to there. So make sure to check out Yeah,

2558
02:10:10,479 --> 02:10:13,920
check out Jasonnalysis dot com and check out his got

2559
02:10:14,039 --> 02:10:16,880
to subscribe to his channel as well, and then JJ By.

2560
02:10:16,840 --> 02:10:20,520
Speaker 2: The way, if you're listening on my channel or at

2561
02:10:21,239 --> 02:10:24,880
my audio podcast series or whatever, if you're on iTunes

2562
02:10:24,920 --> 02:10:27,159
and you're hearing this, definitely check out Primal Edge hell too.

2563
02:10:27,199 --> 02:10:29,880
I need to promote your stuff. I mean, uh, since

2564
02:10:29,960 --> 02:10:32,600
we've been doing shows, I've been going back. I've been

2565
02:10:32,680 --> 02:10:34,720
watching your episodes that you do, and you've been cranking

2566
02:10:34,760 --> 02:10:36,840
out interviews. I listened to the interview you did with

2567
02:10:36,960 --> 02:10:39,880
Bobby that was really fascinating where you got into his

2568
02:10:40,119 --> 02:10:42,880
history with you know, his views on veganism, how he's

2569
02:10:43,000 --> 02:10:47,119
evolved on that issue. I've listened to the interview you

2570
02:10:47,159 --> 02:10:49,479
did with Carnival. So I've been I've been catching up

2571
02:10:49,520 --> 02:10:50,960
on your stuff and there's a lot of good stuff

2572
02:10:51,000 --> 02:10:51,600
you're doing there too.

2573
02:10:51,800 --> 02:10:54,199
Speaker 3: Oh thanks man, Thanks, Yeah, it's it's fun.

2574
02:10:54,279 --> 02:10:54,399
Speaker 2: You know.

2575
02:10:54,439 --> 02:10:57,640
Speaker 3: We've got been through a lot of different incarnations of

2576
02:10:57,720 --> 02:11:01,880
the channel and the years, but I like the direction

2577
02:11:02,000 --> 02:11:03,680
we've been going lately. It's more fun. When I first

2578
02:11:03,720 --> 02:11:06,399
started out, the first few years, it was basically just like, hey,

2579
02:11:06,880 --> 02:11:09,199
it was basically just me on my porch, grab the camera.

2580
02:11:09,680 --> 02:11:11,199
Usually don't have a shirt on because I live in

2581
02:11:11,239 --> 02:11:14,680
Ecuador and it's always nice and hot. So most of

2582
02:11:14,680 --> 02:11:16,720
my old videos are just me talking about nutrition and

2583
02:11:16,800 --> 02:11:19,680
food and diet and stuff. But I've been enjoying the

2584
02:11:19,800 --> 02:11:21,600
live streaming thing ever since this came out.

2585
02:11:22,520 --> 02:11:23,039
Speaker 2: It's a blast.

2586
02:11:23,159 --> 02:11:25,359
Speaker 3: It's really good. I'm really glad. I hopefully we can

2587
02:11:25,439 --> 02:11:27,159
keep live streaming and we don't get kicked off at

2588
02:11:27,199 --> 02:11:31,560
YouTube too soon. But yeah, we'll do this again. Maybe

2589
02:11:31,640 --> 02:11:35,159
once you finish Utopia, we can review Utopia and talk

2590
02:11:35,159 --> 02:11:36,840
about that, because that definitely ties in a lot with

2591
02:11:36,880 --> 02:11:40,319
the nutrition stuff we talk about on this channel as well. Remember, guys,

2592
02:11:40,520 --> 02:11:40,800
it's not.

2593
02:11:40,960 --> 02:11:43,600
Speaker 2: Just because Yeah, the third episode, now they're talking about

2594
02:11:44,039 --> 02:11:46,760
the food company being involved in the conspiracy.

2595
02:11:46,359 --> 02:11:48,640
Speaker 3: Uh huh, yeah, and I think they even get a

2596
02:11:48,640 --> 02:11:51,159
little bit deeper later on. They have some good shots

2597
02:11:51,199 --> 02:11:53,079
of the corn fields when they're talking about that, right,

2598
02:11:53,399 --> 02:11:56,680
they flashed through the corn fields. So yeah, Utopia, that

2599
02:11:56,840 --> 02:12:00,800
was a series twenty thirteen and fourteen and in the

2600
02:12:01,000 --> 02:12:03,159
UK that's what we're gonna talk about next. So if

2601
02:12:03,159 --> 02:12:06,159
you guys haven't seen the Utopia series from Channel four UK,

2602
02:12:07,079 --> 02:12:09,880
check that out. We'll do that and maybe next week we'll.

2603
02:12:09,760 --> 02:12:10,119
Speaker 2: Get to it.

2604
02:12:10,560 --> 02:12:12,640
Speaker 3: And if you have any other suggestions of movies we

2605
02:12:12,720 --> 02:12:17,319
can do as ateric analysis of definitely definitely let us

2606
02:12:17,399 --> 02:12:19,840
know we Oh, you know what, Jay, do you have

2607
02:12:19,920 --> 02:12:22,199
time to answer this question? This is my friend Andrew Scarborough.

2608
02:12:22,560 --> 02:12:25,000
He's a really cool Guy's so Andrew Scarborough. He's a

2609
02:12:25,119 --> 02:12:27,119
cancer survivor. He had a brain tumor and he uses

2610
02:12:27,119 --> 02:12:30,760
a ketogenic carnivore diet to keep from having seizures all

2611
02:12:30,760 --> 02:12:32,840
the time and it works pretty dang well. He says,

2612
02:12:32,880 --> 02:12:36,680
what do you think of the Daniel fast theologically and otherwise?

2613
02:12:39,479 --> 02:12:42,520
Speaker 2: I remember reading about this a long time ago. I'm

2614
02:12:42,560 --> 02:12:47,479
sure there's nothing wrong with that. I would say that's

2615
02:12:47,520 --> 02:12:52,199
a profitable thing. Probably. There you go, there you go.

2616
02:12:52,359 --> 02:12:54,279
Speaker 3: So, yeah, the book of Daniel is really interesting.

2617
02:12:54,800 --> 02:12:55,039
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2618
02:12:56,279 --> 02:12:59,880
Speaker 3: Cool, So everybody, nice night, didn't you isn't Daniel your

2619
02:13:00,720 --> 02:13:01,760
your patrons.

2620
02:13:01,439 --> 02:13:03,720
Speaker 2: Say it is. Yeah, I chose Daniel. Correct.

2621
02:13:04,199 --> 02:13:07,279
Speaker 3: Nice nice man. So you guys check out Utopia series.

2622
02:13:07,359 --> 02:13:09,399
We'll do that one next. We'll talk about that one

2623
02:13:10,039 --> 02:13:14,840
ties in with food social engineering, also media being used

2624
02:13:15,039 --> 02:13:19,000
as you know, kind of leading people down certain paths

2625
02:13:19,079 --> 02:13:22,279
of understanding. And I think you guys will like that chat.

2626
02:13:22,359 --> 02:13:25,039
So we'll talk about that next one. And Jay, what

2627
02:13:25,159 --> 02:13:26,119
else you got going on now?

2628
02:13:26,159 --> 02:13:26,279
Speaker 5: Man?

2629
02:13:26,319 --> 02:13:28,439
Speaker 3: You got anything new? You know you've got a new book, right,

2630
02:13:28,520 --> 02:13:29,239
we'll up of the book.

2631
02:13:29,479 --> 02:13:31,800
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you definitely. You can get signed copies of

2632
02:13:31,920 --> 02:13:34,159
us Star Callwood two in my shop at Jason also,

2633
02:13:34,239 --> 02:13:37,920
so you can get part one as well. Everybody's orders

2634
02:13:37,960 --> 02:13:41,520
are out, so they're all caught up. Yours went out

2635
02:13:41,560 --> 02:13:42,479
probably about a week ago.

2636
02:13:42,720 --> 02:13:44,279
Speaker 3: Brother got it. Yeah, he's going to bring it to me.

2637
02:13:44,319 --> 02:13:46,680
Speaker 2: I'll have it on next one okay. Yeah cool. So

2638
02:13:47,079 --> 02:13:48,960
so yeah, everybody's just in the mail. Sorry that it

2639
02:13:49,039 --> 02:13:51,960
took longer. I ran out really quick the first batch,

2640
02:13:52,079 --> 02:13:54,279
so they were sold in three or four days, so

2641
02:13:54,319 --> 02:13:56,920
I had to wait until I came back to Florida

2642
02:13:57,600 --> 02:13:59,479
and got a whole new batch of books. But anyway,

2643
02:13:59,520 --> 02:14:03,079
so they're all it's all good now, all pretty much

2644
02:14:03,119 --> 02:14:07,479
five star reviews. So far, I think nine people have

2645
02:14:07,600 --> 02:14:11,319
reviewed it in four point five four point five out

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02:14:11,359 --> 02:14:11,840
of five.

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02:14:12,520 --> 02:14:16,399
Speaker 3: So don't get it Amazon though, right, you don't want people.

2648
02:14:16,479 --> 02:14:18,159
Speaker 2: Don't pay Jeff Bezos. If you want to get it,

2649
02:14:18,199 --> 02:14:19,279
get it for me. It's a little bit more, but

2650
02:14:19,319 --> 02:14:23,680
I'll sign it. And next coming up, I'm about a

2651
02:14:23,760 --> 02:14:26,800
third of a way into video making and the style

2652
02:14:26,880 --> 02:14:28,800
of the Eye of the Double video that since that

2653
02:14:28,960 --> 02:14:31,720
video did pretty good, this one's going to be about

2654
02:14:32,840 --> 02:14:37,119
a recap of like the pop culture ceremonies that we've

2655
02:14:37,159 --> 02:14:40,439
been given. So going back to Tim Leary, going back

2656
02:14:40,479 --> 02:14:44,880
to the sixties, looking at big mass ceremonies, you know,

2657
02:14:45,000 --> 02:14:50,119
coming from that period all the way up to Super Bowls, Olympics.

2658
02:14:50,840 --> 02:14:52,920
You know this, these degenerate.

2659
02:14:53,880 --> 02:14:56,359
Speaker 3: Ceremonies that that tuttle ceremony.

2660
02:14:56,399 --> 02:15:00,720
Speaker 2: Everybody's sweet, Theton Gutenberg Turnle, the Swedish Tunnel. Definitely, that

2661
02:15:00,800 --> 02:15:04,760
one's in there because we forget about these ceremonies, like

2662
02:15:04,840 --> 02:15:07,479
we because they just crank them out and then you know,

2663
02:15:07,600 --> 02:15:10,479
this year, it's oh, what's this year's Super Bowl garbage about?

2664
02:15:10,479 --> 02:15:13,279
What's this year's VMA is about. I wanted to recap

2665
02:15:13,399 --> 02:15:16,560
these because I've never really covered those in depth, give

2666
02:15:16,600 --> 02:15:19,399
my analysis of them, but having in you know, like

2667
02:15:19,479 --> 02:15:22,920
a thirty forty minute mini documentary style. So I'm about

2668
02:15:22,920 --> 02:15:24,479
a third of the way that it should be out

2669
02:15:24,520 --> 02:15:25,199
in the next few days.

2670
02:15:25,359 --> 02:15:28,359
Speaker 3: Oh that's awesome, dude. Yeah, It's interesting how these ceremonies

2671
02:15:28,399 --> 02:15:31,000
and these mass events people don't even understand kind of

2672
02:15:31,039 --> 02:15:34,560
the cultural roots and then you know the spiritual roots

2673
02:15:34,640 --> 02:15:37,479
of these these things and why they're done. You know,

2674
02:15:37,520 --> 02:15:40,199
I mean, you get thousands of people in one area

2675
02:15:40,479 --> 02:15:44,319
chanting something like these these are powerful effects on human consciousness.

2676
02:15:44,439 --> 02:15:46,720
And yeah, that'll be good, man. I look forward to

2677
02:15:46,760 --> 02:15:49,239
that one. So guys, make sure to subscribe to Jay's channel.

2678
02:15:49,239 --> 02:15:52,319
I'll pin in the pin comment on this video will

2679
02:15:52,359 --> 02:15:54,880
be Jay's website and his channel, so check them out

2680
02:15:54,920 --> 02:15:57,680
there and check out his book Esthoteric Hollywood two. I'm

2681
02:15:57,680 --> 02:15:59,680
sure it's great. I haven't seen it yet. I haven't

2682
02:15:59,680 --> 02:16:01,680
gotten my copy yet, but I'm excited to read it.

2683
02:16:02,000 --> 02:16:02,600
So thanks Jay.

2684
02:16:02,920 --> 02:16:05,319
Speaker 2: All right, man, God bless have a good day

2685
02:16:07,600 --> 02:16:07,920
Speaker 5: Alright,