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<v Speaker 1>There's a new remote control station controller from George at Pactena.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys are going to know him from the Ham

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<v Speaker 1>Radio workbench and or the pac Tena antennas that he makes.

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<v Speaker 1>He came up with this complete almost plug and play

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<v Speaker 1>run on a Raspberry Pie system to control your repeater remotely,

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<v Speaker 1>but your HF radios and your HAM radios in your

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<v Speaker 1>hamshack remotely. And it's brand agnostic. It's not tied to

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<v Speaker 1>one brand like Icom, YESU, Kinwood Flex or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll work for just about anything. It adds a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of different stuff to it. It's all plug and play.

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<v Speaker 1>It runs Node red for monitoring. We're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it today. This is a cool project and I

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<v Speaker 1>hope you guys enjoy it. Tell us what the I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>just start at the beginning, I guess, tell us what

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<v Speaker 1>this is what we're looking at here, because when I

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<v Speaker 1>got this, this is the box of stuff that I've

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<v Speaker 1>got here, and and this this is this is I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't do this on purpose. This is just how messy

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<v Speaker 1>I always keep my bench. So you're a Ham Yeah exactly, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, tell us George, thank you for being here today. First,

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<v Speaker 1>off and tell us what we're looking at here. This

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<v Speaker 1>is I see you're operating under the name Sierra Radio Systems.

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<v Speaker 1>And is that new or have I just not heard

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<v Speaker 1>that before?

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<v Speaker 2>No, nobody's ever heard of it before, because we've seen

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<v Speaker 2>a Radio Systems. I started that twenty years ago, actually

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen and a half years ago, and the purpose for

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<v Speaker 2>that company is to make repeater control systems and accessories,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we've been making repeater controllers ever since then,

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<v Speaker 2>mostly used by very large multi site linked networks. So

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<v Speaker 2>this is not like a little tiny controller. These these

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<v Speaker 2>repeater controllers are three U ras with a bunch of boards.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's pretty fancy, and the market for that is

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<v Speaker 2>very very specialized, so it's only people who are building

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<v Speaker 2>big network linked repeater systems would buy such a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that's what that where that started.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, good, okay, Well that's a little background of that,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think most people would would know that you're

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<v Speaker 1>either George from Pactenna or from ham Ray to a

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<v Speaker 1>work bench. So that was just another name that I

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<v Speaker 1>saw in Michael's video, but also on these labels here.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm like, okay, I just wanted to clarify that.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, good, so tell us what we're looking at here.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So in a way, if I go back to

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<v Speaker 2>we just talked about repeater control systems. So I've been

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<v Speaker 2>building control systems for over twenty years, and one of

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<v Speaker 2>the other interests of mine, besides portable operating and building repeaters,

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<v Speaker 2>is remote operating. And so I've thought for many years

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<v Speaker 2>that I should build some kind of remote station control

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<v Speaker 2>thing and leverage the experience I had with repeater controllers.

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<v Speaker 2>So I started working on some projects a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>years ago to build some remotely controlled co x switch

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<v Speaker 2>is for my shack, just for my own personal use,

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<v Speaker 2>and made a couple of early versions of that that

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<v Speaker 2>we made available through the Hamradio Workbench podcast. We made

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<v Speaker 2>a four port cox switch at the time. And so

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<v Speaker 2>this last year I decided that I was thinking about

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<v Speaker 2>this for long enough I should actually make something. So

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<v Speaker 2>I started seriously working on what I'm calling the station

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<v Speaker 2>chin controller. And so I think it would be useful

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<v Speaker 2>to find, well, what is a station controller, Because if

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<v Speaker 2>you walked up to any Ham and say, hey, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what's the station controller, they wouldn't know what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>It could realistically, it could mean several things, right exactly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean yeah, it's kind of a generic turn. But yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>good deal, all right, good go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>So so the way I think about it, station controller,

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<v Speaker 2>Each of those two words really kind of mean something.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's the station. So the first definition of station

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<v Speaker 2>is my hamshack, So that's my station. But there's other

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of stations too. If you have a repeater up

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<v Speaker 2>on a mountaintop, that's a station as well. Or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you really think about remote operating where I'm you know,

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<v Speaker 2>traveling and I'm going to use my laptop to connect

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<v Speaker 2>back to my station at home, some remote controlling my station.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's this could be anything that you want to

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<v Speaker 2>remotely monitor or control. So the controller part of station

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<v Speaker 2>controller really means monitoring key vital signs in the system

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<v Speaker 2>and being able to control a lot of them. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you think about, let's say you're doing a remote

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<v Speaker 2>HF HAM station. You've got a flex radio or an

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<v Speaker 2>Allcraft or an icom or whatever, and you want to

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<v Speaker 2>remote that radio. There's several things you have to have

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<v Speaker 2>in place to successfully remote a radio. So obviously you

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<v Speaker 2>have to be able to control the radio and you

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<v Speaker 2>have to be able to send audio back and forth

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<v Speaker 2>from your client laptop, tablet, whatever to that station. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>that part of the problem is being solved largely by

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<v Speaker 2>the radio manufacturers. So if you look at radios, let's

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<v Speaker 2>say ten years ago and before then, most radios have

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<v Speaker 2>serial ports, so they're controllable through a serial port, but

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<v Speaker 2>you have to have some third party piece of hardware

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<v Speaker 2>software to deal with it. But the modern radios, at

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<v Speaker 2>least the i'd say the mid to high end radios

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<v Speaker 2>today are architected with remote control in mind. So Flux

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<v Speaker 2>from the beginning was really a remotable radio, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>probably the best example of that today. Allcraft K four

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<v Speaker 2>series is also built in a way that makes it

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<v Speaker 2>naturally remotable. The Icon ninety seven hundred and the seventy

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<v Speaker 2>six to ten and other Icon radios make it easier

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<v Speaker 2>to remote because they have network connections and they can

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<v Speaker 2>pipe audio. So that part of the problem is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of being solved, and I really didn't want to address that.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's other people already doing it, so that's great,

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<v Speaker 2>But when you think about building a remote station, that's

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<v Speaker 2>not everything you need. In addition to the radio functionality.

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<v Speaker 2>You also need to be able to control and monitor

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<v Speaker 2>the environment around the radio itself. So what does that mean.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, at a bare minimum, you need to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to remotely turn the power on and off to

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<v Speaker 2>the station. And by the way, it's a convenience, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a safety issue, but it's also a legal requirement. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you are operating a remotely a remote transmitter, you

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<v Speaker 2>have to have some kind of control on the transmitter.

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<v Speaker 2>And the best example goes back to you know, building

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<v Speaker 2>a repeater. You know, part of the regulations are you

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<v Speaker 2>have to have some way to control that repeater transmitter

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to turn it off if something goes haywire.

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<v Speaker 2>Same thing is true for your remote hamshack, So you

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<v Speaker 2>need to remotely turn power on and off. But then

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of other stuff you might want to do.

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<v Speaker 2>You might want to, for example, switch between antenna's. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you have a dipole and a vertical or a beam

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<v Speaker 2>and a dummy load, and you want to switch your

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<v Speaker 2>radio between different antennas. Perhaps you want to monitor some

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<v Speaker 2>key measurements, like what's the battery voltage if I'm running

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<v Speaker 2>out of battery system, what's the solar panel voltage. Do

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<v Speaker 2>I have AC power in the shack or did I

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<v Speaker 2>lose power? Which is not uncommon for a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>remote stations. A very critical thing you want to monitor

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<v Speaker 2>is the transit line. So what's the forward power from

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<v Speaker 2>my transmitter to the antenna and what's the reflected power

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<v Speaker 2>coming back from the antenna. So if you have a

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<v Speaker 2>highest WR you want to know about that and take

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<v Speaker 2>some appropriate action. So you might want to measure the

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<v Speaker 2>temperature on your amplifier or inside the shack or outside

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<v Speaker 2>the building, you know. So the list goes on and on,

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<v Speaker 2>so it really boils down to you need to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to monitor voltages and switch closures and flip relays,

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<v Speaker 2>measure RF wattage, et cetera. So all of that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff is what the station controller addresses.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, good, Yeah, add an AMP into the mix and

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<v Speaker 1>you've got even more stuff. You need to power off

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<v Speaker 1>and on and adjust RF output on the radio perhaps,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, depend on what the amp is and that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of thing. So yeah, okay, that all makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Good. So, by the way, just give you an example.

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<v Speaker 2>I was talking to Mike VA three MW yesterday and

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<v Speaker 2>Mike's been doing remote station operation for many years, and

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<v Speaker 2>his remote station is like one hundred miles from homes,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's not like you could just walk over there

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<v Speaker 2>and flip a switch. And he's he has one of

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<v Speaker 2>my station controllers, and he's planning to replace the stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that he's been using for a while with the system permanently.

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<v Speaker 2>And and he said, guess how many relays I need? That?

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<v Speaker 2>No idea, man, how many do you need? He said,

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<v Speaker 2>I need twenty four relays?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>So now that you know, Mike is kind of I

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<v Speaker 2>would say, at one end of that you know, complexity spectrum,

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<v Speaker 2>because he has lots of antennas and and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff he wants to switch. So that's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>at the high end of the of the range. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, things could get pretty sophisticated.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it expandable to that many?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, Well that's good to know. Cool. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>what so so we've got so let's I guess the

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<v Speaker 1>next step is just let's talk about the the image

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<v Speaker 1>that you have. So this all runs from a Raspberry

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<v Speaker 1>Pie and you're currently the image you currently use, or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the software for the image is running on best

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<v Speaker 1>run on Raspberry Pie three, and I know you said

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<v Speaker 1>you were going to work on a Pie five later.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the status on that is, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Pie five is running now. Actually there's a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more to it than that. So so if

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<v Speaker 2>I take a step back before you top into the

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<v Speaker 2>Raspberry pipe part, the architecture of the system is very modular,

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<v Speaker 2>so you can think about that there's a control computer

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<v Speaker 2>and then there are devices, and the control computer can

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<v Speaker 2>be almost anything. And so when I'm making a package product,

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<v Speaker 2>I need something that the customer can just take out

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<v Speaker 2>of a box, literally plug it in and have it work.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think the best recipe for that's a Raspberry

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<v Speaker 2>Pie and I made a module that the pie sits on.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk about what it does probably a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>but you could use the node red low that I

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<v Speaker 2>wrote off the shelf to control everything. And to do that,

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<v Speaker 2>the minimum thing is you just need a computer that

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<v Speaker 2>can run node red. So you can take any old

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<v Speaker 2>beater computer you have sitting in the shack, put noe

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<v Speaker 2>red on it, plug in a ten dollars interface and

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<v Speaker 2>you can control the modules from that. Or you can

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<v Speaker 2>get my prepackaged purpose built board that has some advantages

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to go with the turnkey solution. So

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<v Speaker 2>so my recommendation off the shelf is to use the

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<v Speaker 2>note this running node red on a Raspberry Pie three.

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<v Speaker 2>I tested on a Raspberry Pie five. It runs fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course I don't have a four. Somebody else ran

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<v Speaker 2>it on a four and it's fine. But you can

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<v Speaker 2>put node red on any Windows Mac PC, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Linux computer you want, and you could run this application.

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<v Speaker 2>The other thing is being modular. That interface between the

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<v Speaker 2>control computer and the modules is very easy to even

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<v Speaker 2>write your own or create your own control surface. So

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<v Speaker 2>let's there's kind of two in my mind, there's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of two kinds of hams. There's hams that just like

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<v Speaker 2>want to go buy a thing and use it, and

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<v Speaker 2>and this is applicable to both. So my primary target market,

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<v Speaker 1>people are always commenting how you can build that yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>So I tell you, Jason, I'd say ninety percent in

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<v Speaker 2>But most people are like, yeah, that's fine, I'd brother

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah true, true? Okay, good, all right, Well we have

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<v Speaker 1>so I'd download a new vision new I had Revision

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<v Speaker 1>five installed or flashed, I should say, And then you

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, and I guess we need to probably do

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>You just need to connect it to your land so

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's even so so small, I can't even so we.

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<v Speaker 2>at the Raspberry piek. We just plug all the hardware

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<v Speaker 1>But you'll have to uh yeah, yeah, yeah, so I

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<v Speaker 1>would have to have an Ethernet port for that. I

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so what you want to do is have a

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<v Speaker 2>and then we'll hook up all the control hardware and

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<v Speaker 2>when it all powers up, then the Pie will send

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<v Speaker 1>I just got to find an Ethernet cable that's long

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<v Speaker 1>enough to reach over here.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the only thing.

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<v Speaker 1>How close does the Pie need to be to the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of these peripherals.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to have a cable that goes from the Pie.

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<v Speaker 2>The Raspberry Pie sits on a host adapter, a custom board,

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<v Speaker 2>so the Ethernet goes into the Pie. And then you'll

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<v Speaker 2>notice there's there's three other No, not that one. There's

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it says host adapter on it. There.

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<v Speaker 2>I go that one, opening that up.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I got the box in the mail and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>and I opened it up. I'm like, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>how long is this going to take to put together?

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<v Speaker 2>So? Yeah, yeah, the good news is is that the

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<v Speaker 2>thing will take you the most time is is figuring

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<v Speaker 2>out how to screw it to the wall or right something.

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<v Speaker 2>The actual system of connection is really very straightforward.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, good, okay, So that's the host adapter.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me explain a couple of things. So you'll

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<v Speaker 2>take your Raspberry pipe. You want to power it down

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<v Speaker 2>and plug it into this this board here right here. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So the Raspberry pie flips upside down in the gp

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so let me let me do a graceful

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<v Speaker 1>shutdown because I'm I'm always the guy that's just pulling

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<v Speaker 1>the power out of a Raspberry Pie and people are like,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say something about that. So all right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's fine. Let's see.

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<v Speaker 2>So, by the way, we talked about the Pie three

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<v Speaker 2>versus five, and so yes, just a couple thoughts there.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the best platform to run this thing on

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<v Speaker 2>is the Pie three. And the reason is PI three

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<v Speaker 2>takes less energy than the five, puts out less heath

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<v Speaker 2>than the five, and it's more than fast enough to

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<v Speaker 2>run this application. And they're also very inexpensive. So you

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<v Speaker 2>can buy a Raspberry Pie three for thirty five bucks. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>from eight of fruits, so you know they're about as

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<v Speaker 2>cheap as they come. Okay, you can unplug that USB thingy. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and now flip it over and plug it in with

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<v Speaker 2>and it plugs in fine, but the USB connector touches

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<v Speaker 2>the base plate, the production ones that's cut out, so

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't hit the little base plate there right here. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's an old notch there. Okay, so let me explain

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<v Speaker 3>Good.

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<v Speaker 2>So on the lower left hand corner you'll see a

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<v Speaker 2>very familiar powerful connector. So there's two power jacks there.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a power pole and a two point one millimeter

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<v Speaker 2>barrel jack. Those are just hooked in parallel. This is

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<v Speaker 2>the power into the system. So one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>running a Raspberry Pie is you know what are you

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<v Speaker 2>going to power it with? And you know you rather

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<v Speaker 2>than running off of the USB waalwart that plugs in here,

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<v Speaker 2>I built a power supply onto the board. So right

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<v Speaker 2>above the power pole that's the fible power supply. So

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<v Speaker 2>it creates a nice, you know, bible rail to run

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<v Speaker 2>the Raspberry Pie. Then up along the very top edge

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<v Speaker 2>on the right hand side, you'll see three RJ forty

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<v Speaker 2>five connectors. Those are not Ethernet, and I need to

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<v Speaker 2>make a sticker to put on that says this is

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<v Speaker 2>not an ethernet not ethernet. Okay, yeah, So I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to use a term here. I want to define this

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<v Speaker 2>So the method that I use to interconnect all of

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<v Speaker 2>that I call the device control network. The device control

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<v Speaker 2>network can be either done wired or wirelessly. In this

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<v Speaker 2>on those RGA forty five connectors is data and power.

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<v Speaker 2>So if we were to power let's say just the

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<v Speaker 2>of Cat five cable or Cat six cable. So in

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<v Speaker 2>five cable that we'll use to hook into that co

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<v Speaker 2>ed switch. Also rotate the coax switch one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>eighty degrees. So the connectors are on the bottom this one, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>flip it around there you go. Okay, okay, So those

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<v Speaker 2>connecting to the modules. So you can plug a little

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<v Speaker 2>piece of CAT five cable between any one of those

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<v Speaker 2>between those two, and that will provide data and power

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<v Speaker 2>to that Cox relay. So that's the only connection you

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's probably that I was looking for. That piece

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<v Speaker 1>of Cat five is probably in there an installation kit, right, yeah, okay, good, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So so while you're doing that, so the other things

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<v Speaker 2>that are on that Raspberry Pie post adapter, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>green connector up at the top. That's an auxiliary connector

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<v Speaker 2>that has power and data also on it in parallel

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<v Speaker 2>with the RJ forty fives, and there's there's times when

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<v Speaker 2>have you know, twisted pair to power it instead of

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<v Speaker 2>using a connector, so you have that option. Also, you'll

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<v Speaker 2>notice that right below the green connector there's two headers

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<v Speaker 2>that are unpopulated. Can you take a wild guess what

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<v Speaker 2>that's for?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>An LCD screen or No? That is that a? Is

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's a it's a hell Tech B three meshtastic radio.

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<v Speaker 1>It's meshtastic. Oh wow, okay, all right, yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So so you can take a Healtech V three module

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, right there, that's for the that's for.

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<v Speaker 2>The meshtastic antenna. So let me take a little time

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's uh yeah, how is that gonna work? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm curious.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you don't need mesh tastic at all for the

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<v Speaker 2>system to work, okay, period. And that's and it's not

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So, when the architecture of the system is such that

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<v Speaker 2>and then you have one or more modules which will

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<v Speaker 2>And I mentioned there's two ways to connect between the

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<v Speaker 2>Raspberry Pie and those modules. You could do it wired,

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<v Speaker 2>and the wired method is using Cat five cable that

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<v Speaker 2>brings over the data and the power. And normally, if

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<v Speaker 2>just works. Now, there's scenarios where you want this device

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<v Speaker 2>not in the station. So how would you do that.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's two ways to do it. You could run

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<v Speaker 2>is replace that Cat five cable with a wireless radio

421
00:20:56.039 --> 00:20:59.440
<v Speaker 2>a data link. And there's two kinds of radios that

422
00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:05.480
<v Speaker 2>we support. One of them is is a nine hundred

423
00:21:05.480 --> 00:21:09.480
<v Speaker 2>megahert data radio module that looks like this. You simply

424
00:21:09.519 --> 00:21:12.720
<v Speaker 2>put in a pair of wires into the into the

425
00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:16.480
<v Speaker 2>block there in power and this will transmit the data

426
00:21:16.599 --> 00:21:18.799
<v Speaker 2>to another one just like this at the other end.

427
00:21:19.039 --> 00:21:20.920
<v Speaker 2>So you now have a nine hundred megahert point to

428
00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:25.559
<v Speaker 2>point link. Or you could plug in the Meshtastic radio

429
00:21:25.960 --> 00:21:28.279
<v Speaker 2>and do the same thing over Meshtastic, so you can

430
00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:31.920
<v Speaker 2>have at the other end. I didn't I didn't send

431
00:21:31.960 --> 00:21:33.880
<v Speaker 2>you one of these. This this is a future thing.

432
00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:37.799
<v Speaker 2>This is this is the mesh Tastic module all by itself.

433
00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:44.000
<v Speaker 2>So so I could have this mestastic radio with Cat

434
00:21:44.039 --> 00:21:48.519
<v Speaker 2>five connection to a control module, okay, and so I

435
00:21:48.559 --> 00:21:50.519
<v Speaker 2>can send the command there. The system can send the

436
00:21:50.519 --> 00:21:55.759
<v Speaker 2>commands back and forth over Mesastic. Now, having said that,

437
00:21:55.839 --> 00:21:57.759
<v Speaker 2>let me let me make a couple important points. Point

438
00:21:57.839 --> 00:22:00.960
<v Speaker 2>number one is I don't recommend to deploying this on

439
00:22:01.599 --> 00:22:02.240
<v Speaker 2>long fast.

440
00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:04.599
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, for sure.

441
00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:06.240
<v Speaker 2>Because you're going to be like, hey, Bob, you want

442
00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:09.240
<v Speaker 2>to have lunch and then here's you know, every thirty

443
00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:12.480
<v Speaker 2>seconds is some data from some machines somewhere. So that

444
00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:14.839
<v Speaker 2>would drive people crazy. So if you're going to use

445
00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:18.160
<v Speaker 2>mesh Tastic, you need to create your own separate channel.

446
00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:20.000
<v Speaker 2>And that also means you can turn an encryption if

447
00:22:20.039 --> 00:22:24.640
<v Speaker 2>you want. The beauty of the meshtastic radio is that

448
00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:27.640
<v Speaker 2>I can run the meshtastic app on my phone and

449
00:22:27.720 --> 00:22:30.039
<v Speaker 2>I can actually watch the traffic, and I could even

450
00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:32.880
<v Speaker 2>send commands, you know, if I know the command format

451
00:22:33.319 --> 00:22:39.440
<v Speaker 2>from my phone. Now. So that's what the meshtastic thing

452
00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:42.160
<v Speaker 2>could be used for, but it's not required. In fact,

453
00:22:42.160 --> 00:22:44.640
<v Speaker 2>there's a downside to meshtastic. The downside to it is

454
00:22:44.680 --> 00:22:49.079
<v Speaker 2>it is latency. So these nine hundred megahert data radios

455
00:22:49.119 --> 00:22:53.200
<v Speaker 2>are much lower latency than meshtastic. So I only recommend

456
00:22:53.279 --> 00:22:57.359
<v Speaker 2>using the meshtastic stuff in if it's really necessary. Like

457
00:22:58.160 --> 00:23:01.440
<v Speaker 2>I have a site upon hill, I have no internet

458
00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:04.279
<v Speaker 2>to the site. I can send a mesh tastic message

459
00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:06.960
<v Speaker 2>to the repeater site and I only ever need to

460
00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:08.839
<v Speaker 2>like turn off the power, so it's not like a

461
00:23:08.880 --> 00:23:11.839
<v Speaker 2>lot of traffic. Then the meshtastic thing is fine. But

462
00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:16.720
<v Speaker 2>for for normal like hi activity networks, I don't recommend it.

463
00:23:16.759 --> 00:23:19.160
<v Speaker 2>I would use the regular data radios or the cable

464
00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:20.319
<v Speaker 2>is much more reliable.

465
00:23:20.920 --> 00:23:22.279
<v Speaker 1>Okay, anyway, so I.

466
00:23:22.319 --> 00:23:23.880
<v Speaker 2>Just want to get that meshtastic thing in there.

467
00:23:25.519 --> 00:23:28.920
<v Speaker 1>That's pretty cool. I mean, yeah, I wasn't expecting to

468
00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:31.640
<v Speaker 1>see that at all, So okay, good, good.

469
00:23:31.400 --> 00:23:35.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So that's it for the Raspberry Pie module. By

470
00:23:35.519 --> 00:23:39.119
<v Speaker 2>the way, another maybe one last thing. Most of the

471
00:23:39.119 --> 00:23:41.160
<v Speaker 2>people who are going to get this system, I think

472
00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:42.880
<v Speaker 2>they're just gonna want to buy it, take it out

473
00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:44.759
<v Speaker 2>of the box, plug it in, and use it. So

474
00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:48.640
<v Speaker 2>I can supply the Raspberry Pie board. I mean that

475
00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:52.720
<v Speaker 2>that post adapter and the Pie itself and the image

476
00:23:52.759 --> 00:23:57.119
<v Speaker 2>desty card. So you literally just plug in power and

477
00:23:57.119 --> 00:24:00.720
<v Speaker 2>and data and you're done. If you want to build

478
00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:02.559
<v Speaker 2>your own, and of course it's cheaper this way. You

479
00:24:02.559 --> 00:24:04.960
<v Speaker 2>can just get the boards, apply your own Raspberry Pie,

480
00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:08.440
<v Speaker 2>create your own sd card image, and go from there.

481
00:24:08.599 --> 00:24:11.759
<v Speaker 2>But it's you know, up to you, all right, whatever

482
00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:12.240
<v Speaker 2>you do.

483
00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:15.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, good to know. Okay, excellent.

484
00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:16.680
<v Speaker 3>All right.

485
00:24:16.720 --> 00:24:19.279
<v Speaker 1>So we're back over here, and these are those Ethernet cables.

486
00:24:19.480 --> 00:24:23.359
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so take one of those cables and plug it

487
00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:26.279
<v Speaker 2>into one of the three connectors on the Pie.

488
00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:28.440
<v Speaker 3>Doesn't matter which one, doesn't matter.

489
00:24:28.279 --> 00:24:33.640
<v Speaker 2>They're all bust together, okay, all right, and then plug

490
00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:39.680
<v Speaker 2>the other one into the OAX really okay, Okay, Now

491
00:24:39.680 --> 00:24:41.839
<v Speaker 2>we just need to apply power to the Raspberry Pie,

492
00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:46.279
<v Speaker 2>and that's a powerpole or a barrel connector. So twelve

493
00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:48.960
<v Speaker 2>volts into the Raspberry Pie connectors.

494
00:24:49.519 --> 00:24:51.559
<v Speaker 1>So we want to power it from here, not from

495
00:24:51.559 --> 00:24:52.000
<v Speaker 1>over here.

496
00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:55.359
<v Speaker 2>Correct, you never you never touched the Raspberry Pie.

497
00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:57.759
<v Speaker 1>You never have to touch it again, okay, all right, And.

498
00:24:57.720 --> 00:24:59.799
<v Speaker 2>It'll run off of a you know, one or two

499
00:24:59.799 --> 00:25:04.279
<v Speaker 2>am ballboard or your bay station power supply. So one

500
00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:06.519
<v Speaker 2>of the reasons for putting the powersplan here is every

501
00:25:06.519 --> 00:25:10.559
<v Speaker 2>hamshack has twelve bolts, and if you're going to use

502
00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:15.640
<v Speaker 2>the like the Raspberry Pie, a walwort, you have to

503
00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:17.599
<v Speaker 2>have separate power for the rest of the modules. It's

504
00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:19.079
<v Speaker 2>like there's no point, so you might as well just

505
00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:22.559
<v Speaker 2>have one bovolt power input. It's actually a wide range input.

506
00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:24.359
<v Speaker 2>You can run it on anything from about ten or

507
00:25:24.359 --> 00:25:26.960
<v Speaker 2>eleven volts up to about eighteen or twenty volts.

508
00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:28.640
<v Speaker 1>So that's good, okay.

509
00:25:28.359 --> 00:25:31.160
<v Speaker 2>You know. Like so actually, while you're doing that a

510
00:25:31.160 --> 00:25:33.839
<v Speaker 2>little sidebar for a boat station, one of the things

511
00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:36.279
<v Speaker 2>you want to do is be able to run this

512
00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:39.640
<v Speaker 2>thing off the battery if available. So in my station,

513
00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:42.279
<v Speaker 2>what I do is I take a bio no battery

514
00:25:42.319 --> 00:25:45.319
<v Speaker 2>and I plug the bio eno charger into the wall,

515
00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:50.359
<v Speaker 2>and I plug the two millimeter jack into the battery

516
00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:52.400
<v Speaker 2>and then I have a little jumper that goes from

517
00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:55.160
<v Speaker 2>the bio Eno batteries power pole to the power pole

518
00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:58.640
<v Speaker 2>on the Raspberry Pie. So now the whole station controller

519
00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:01.440
<v Speaker 2>is going to be running off of the battery and

520
00:26:01.480 --> 00:26:02.640
<v Speaker 2>it's constantly being.

521
00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:03.640
<v Speaker 1>Charged, constantly being charged.

522
00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:03.960
<v Speaker 3>That's good.

523
00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:06.160
<v Speaker 2>And if I lose if I lose power at the

524
00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:07.880
<v Speaker 2>station and the station controller is still.

525
00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Up, okay, let me run inside and get one of

526
00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:14.359
<v Speaker 1>my bioinos because my overhead I've got it sitting over here.

527
00:26:14.359 --> 00:26:16.519
<v Speaker 1>This is my overhead camera, and I've got another camera

528
00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:18.920
<v Speaker 1>that looks at my power supply and my incoming and

529
00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:21.720
<v Speaker 1>my twelve volt connection. But it's it's over here to

530
00:26:21.759 --> 00:26:23.119
<v Speaker 1>the side, so I don't have a I don't have

531
00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:25.880
<v Speaker 1>a power supply right here. Okay, so let me go

532
00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:28.000
<v Speaker 1>grab that. So let's take like a five minute break

533
00:26:28.039 --> 00:26:29.720
<v Speaker 1>and we'll we'll start again here in a second.

534
00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Sounds good.

535
00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:33.319
<v Speaker 1>So there's no lights or into anything else. There's no

536
00:26:33.359 --> 00:26:36.160
<v Speaker 1>indicators on here to see that this is powered on yet.

537
00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:39.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, there is, but but it's it's not. Yeah,

538
00:26:39.519 --> 00:26:40.680
<v Speaker 2>you don't have twelve volts on there?

539
00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:42.720
<v Speaker 1>Not seeing that? Is that the same walwort?

540
00:26:42.759 --> 00:26:46.240
<v Speaker 2>That's just twelve volt walwort. It's a two point one

541
00:26:46.279 --> 00:26:47.079
<v Speaker 2>millimeter barrel.

542
00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:51.480
<v Speaker 1>Is that the same barrel that's on a bioin O Yeah? Okay, okay,

543
00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:53.319
<v Speaker 1>So are we plugging into the pie or we plug

544
00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:54.559
<v Speaker 1>it in elsewhere.

545
00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:55.319
<v Speaker 2>Into the pie?

546
00:26:55.359 --> 00:26:57.759
<v Speaker 1>Into the pie? Okay, now there we go.

547
00:26:58.440 --> 00:27:02.480
<v Speaker 2>So on the display on the co X switch, one

548
00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:06.880
<v Speaker 2>minute after power is applied on the display, it's gonna

549
00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:10.440
<v Speaker 2>give you an IP address, so watch for that. So

550
00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:14.079
<v Speaker 2>ideally you'd have the network connection plugged and then power

551
00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:16.359
<v Speaker 2>it up, but it'll probably be fine.

552
00:27:16.599 --> 00:27:17.759
<v Speaker 1>So okay, okay.

553
00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:20.440
<v Speaker 2>It takes a minute for everything to boot up, and

554
00:27:20.519 --> 00:27:22.720
<v Speaker 2>at the very end of that boot process, it'll report

555
00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:24.200
<v Speaker 2>what the IP address.

556
00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:27.200
<v Speaker 1>Is, gotcha? Okay? Right now it says selected port one.

557
00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:28.039
<v Speaker 1>That's all it says.

558
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:32.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so by default co export one selected. So while

559
00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:34.400
<v Speaker 2>that's booting, let me explain a few things on the

560
00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:36.200
<v Speaker 2>co X switch there. So, first of all, this is

561
00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:40.519
<v Speaker 2>an HF co X switch, meaning it's good from zero

562
00:27:40.599 --> 00:27:45.119
<v Speaker 2>to sixty megahertz, so HF plus six meters. It turns out,

563
00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:47.920
<v Speaker 2>actually it's not awful at two So if you really

564
00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:51.400
<v Speaker 2>could use it on two meters, it's it's not ideal

565
00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:53.880
<v Speaker 2>it was not designed for two meters, but it has

566
00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:56.519
<v Speaker 2>maybe half a dB of insertion loss, which is nothing

567
00:27:56.519 --> 00:27:59.160
<v Speaker 2>you had designed for. But it's not horrible, but it's

568
00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:02.400
<v Speaker 2>really intended for where it's got like almost zero insertion

569
00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:07.519
<v Speaker 2>point five dB insertion loss. Okay, the configuration on the

570
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:11.400
<v Speaker 2>B and C connectors there, it's from left to right.

571
00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:16.359
<v Speaker 2>It's port one, port two, common port three, port four.

572
00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:20.039
<v Speaker 2>So if you had one radio and four antennas, you'd

573
00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:23.119
<v Speaker 2>plug your radio into the middle one and then and

574
00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:25.000
<v Speaker 2>then the antenna's or dummy load would connect to the

575
00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:28.559
<v Speaker 2>other ones. If you have four radios and one antenna,

576
00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:32.599
<v Speaker 2>then the one antenna goes to the center port. All

577
00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:37.039
<v Speaker 2>of the relays are latching, which means that whatever position

578
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:39.839
<v Speaker 2>you put it in, if you pulled power from that board,

579
00:28:39.880 --> 00:28:44.480
<v Speaker 2>it would stay connected. And that's important if you're preparing for,

580
00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:47.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, emergency situations where you're gonna lose power. The

581
00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:49.160
<v Speaker 2>last thing you want is to turn on your radios

582
00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:53.799
<v Speaker 2>in like the antenna's is connected, so so that stays connected.

583
00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:54.799
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

584
00:28:55.559 --> 00:28:58.440
<v Speaker 2>The display on the on the module will show you

585
00:28:58.480 --> 00:29:01.119
<v Speaker 2>the current state of that board, so it'll tell you

586
00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:03.920
<v Speaker 2>which inten is connected. There's a way that you can

587
00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:08.200
<v Speaker 2>actually change the labels. So if let's say Port one

588
00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:10.480
<v Speaker 2>is your vertical in Port two is your beam or whatever,

589
00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:12.599
<v Speaker 2>there's a way you can put that specific text on

590
00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:13.200
<v Speaker 2>the display.

591
00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:15.440
<v Speaker 3>Gotcha, you don't need the display.

592
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:17.319
<v Speaker 2>I think nine times out of ten people are going

593
00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:18.920
<v Speaker 2>to just put this in a closet and close the

594
00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:23.240
<v Speaker 2>door and they don't even need the display. And this displays. Literally,

595
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:28.160
<v Speaker 2>the display just unplugs from the module. You don't even

596
00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:31.119
<v Speaker 2>need to use the display, but for this purpose it's

597
00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:36.160
<v Speaker 2>good to see it. So that's the basic connections. There's

598
00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:39.160
<v Speaker 2>some auxiliary stuff up at the top. The green terminal

599
00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:43.079
<v Speaker 2>block connectors provide additional The one on the right is

600
00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:46.839
<v Speaker 2>additional network in power that parallels the RJ forty five.

601
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:49.720
<v Speaker 2>There's a two point one millimeter barrel connector next to

602
00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:53.440
<v Speaker 2>the RJ forty five. Those are all hooked up in parallel,

603
00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:57.160
<v Speaker 2>so we run the power over the Cat five cable.

604
00:29:57.759 --> 00:30:01.039
<v Speaker 2>You could take twelve volts into the barrel connector on

605
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:03.480
<v Speaker 2>the coax relay and then I'll just feed power over

606
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:06.119
<v Speaker 2>to the Raspberry Pie. So any of those connectors are

607
00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:06.920
<v Speaker 2>all busted together.

608
00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:07.680
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

609
00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:11.839
<v Speaker 2>The last thing is on the upper left green terminal block.

610
00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:16.480
<v Speaker 2>There's four pins on there, and there's actually eight, but

611
00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:21.359
<v Speaker 2>four of those pins, if you momentarily connect them to ground,

612
00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:24.680
<v Speaker 2>like through a push button, it will actuate the relay.

613
00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:28.359
<v Speaker 2>So in addition to controlling the relay over the network,

614
00:30:28.359 --> 00:30:30.519
<v Speaker 2>you can also have a set of switches to manually

615
00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:31.680
<v Speaker 2>control the relay if you like.

616
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

617
00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:36.799
<v Speaker 2>Also, you'd notice there's a USBC connector on the upper

618
00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:40.519
<v Speaker 2>left or yep, yeah, and so in normal operation you

619
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:43.759
<v Speaker 2>never touch it. But if you on all of the modules,

620
00:30:43.839 --> 00:30:46.640
<v Speaker 2>they all have USBC connectors that are connected to the

621
00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:50.480
<v Speaker 2>CPU on the board, and the purpose for that is

622
00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:54.920
<v Speaker 2>mainly to configure that module if you need to do

623
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:58.559
<v Speaker 2>anything custom So the way the systems designed normally, you'd

624
00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:02.279
<v Speaker 2>never ever need to configure anything, but there's some corner

625
00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:05.440
<v Speaker 2>cases where you like, you might want to adjust something,

626
00:31:05.480 --> 00:31:06.920
<v Speaker 2>and then that's the way you can go into it

627
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:09.359
<v Speaker 2>with a dumb terminal and just type in commands and

628
00:31:09.759 --> 00:31:12.640
<v Speaker 2>configure it. Also, when the device boots up, if you

629
00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:14.839
<v Speaker 2>plug in a dumb terminal, you'll see all the different

630
00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:17.000
<v Speaker 2>steps the thing goes through when it's booting, so you

631
00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:19.079
<v Speaker 2>can see what's going on. It's it's kind of interesting

632
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:21.559
<v Speaker 2>to see once. But yeah, but you don't have to

633
00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:21.839
<v Speaker 2>do that.

634
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:25.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, okay, all right, Well it came up and

635
00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:28.119
<v Speaker 1>it said IP addressed a minute ago, but it was blank.

636
00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:30.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay. That means that it didn't that the thing didn't

637
00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:34.119
<v Speaker 2>catch the uh ip address. So let's let's let's pretend

638
00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:35.799
<v Speaker 2>we're doing it from scratch. Now, look over on the

639
00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Raspberry Pie board. You'll see next to the barrel connector

640
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:40.720
<v Speaker 2>there's a tiny switch. It says shut down.

641
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:42.799
<v Speaker 3>Yes, right, there's that button.

642
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:46.720
<v Speaker 2>Just hold that button for a second. Just hold it

643
00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:51.160
<v Speaker 2>for a second. Lego. Okay, So now you're your Pie

644
00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:53.839
<v Speaker 2>is going to shut down. So this is this is

645
00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:57.200
<v Speaker 2>a better than the yank and the power. So okay,

646
00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:01.799
<v Speaker 2>if you yank the power on an SD card Raspberry Pie,

647
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:06.680
<v Speaker 2>theoretically you can corrupt the SD card. So whenever you

648
00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:08.519
<v Speaker 2>shut it down, it's better if you actually do a

649
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:13.440
<v Speaker 2>proper shutdown. Okay, So by now it should be shutdown.

650
00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:15.720
<v Speaker 2>So disconnect the twelve vaults and plug it back in.

651
00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:26.240
<v Speaker 2>So a couple other things. We'll go through the other

652
00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:29.400
<v Speaker 2>modules in a little bit here, but currently there's three

653
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:32.039
<v Speaker 2>different kinds of control modules. This is the four port

654
00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:36.799
<v Speaker 2>coacs really obviously, there's a module that we call the

655
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:40.440
<v Speaker 2>General Purpose IO or GPAO module, and that's a pretty

656
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:46.440
<v Speaker 2>universal module. It gives eighteen different channels of monitoring your control.

657
00:32:48.119 --> 00:32:52.200
<v Speaker 2>So it's got built into it for DC volt meters.

658
00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:57.119
<v Speaker 2>They could measure zero to fifty volts. It's got four

659
00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:02.839
<v Speaker 2>small signal SPST relays, so you can have dry contact

660
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:06.319
<v Speaker 2>closures built in. It's got four open collector outputs that

661
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:10.480
<v Speaker 2>could be used to control a large twelve relay or

662
00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:14.759
<v Speaker 2>like on a flux radio for example. There's the soft

663
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:17.759
<v Speaker 2>power on off remote jack on the back. You can

664
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:19.599
<v Speaker 2>take one of those open collector outputs, hook it to

665
00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:22.319
<v Speaker 2>the RCAA jack on the flex and remotely turn the

666
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:26.839
<v Speaker 2>flux on and off through that jack. There's four op

667
00:33:26.920 --> 00:33:29.920
<v Speaker 2>to isolated digital inputs, so you can have a switch

668
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:33.079
<v Speaker 2>closure of some kind like a door alarm or any

669
00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:37.640
<v Speaker 2>other you know, switch to ground kind of input. And

670
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:41.880
<v Speaker 2>then there's two temperature probes. In the temperature probes, they're

671
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:47.039
<v Speaker 2>included in the package. There there's like a three to

672
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:50.799
<v Speaker 2>six meter or three to six foot cable with little

673
00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:53.559
<v Speaker 2>silver metal cylinder at the end. It's got a digital

674
00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:56.559
<v Speaker 2>temperature probe and so you can put those in the room,

675
00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:59.079
<v Speaker 2>tape it to the PA or whatever you want to

676
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:04.319
<v Speaker 2>measure the temperature and other Otherwise, everything else is is

677
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:06.920
<v Speaker 2>similar to the co X switch in in that there's

678
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:12.800
<v Speaker 2>the network connection, the power connection, the auxiliary connections. Uh,

679
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:15.039
<v Speaker 2>the same idea as the as the co X switch.

680
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:17.360
<v Speaker 2>So what would you use the gp A board for.

681
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:22.599
<v Speaker 2>You'd use that to let's say, turn your power supply

682
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:27.840
<v Speaker 2>on and off, to measure the battery voltage, et cetera.

683
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:32.000
<v Speaker 2>So it's general purpose kind of application. Okay, did you

684
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:33.719
<v Speaker 2>did you catch the IP address on the.

685
00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:37.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, it was still blank, so I don't. I don't

686
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:41.159
<v Speaker 1>think it's uh, it's not gonna link. Well no, this

687
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:44.559
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember if the Raspberry Pie is supposed to

688
00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:45.280
<v Speaker 1>have a link light or not.

689
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:46.320
<v Speaker 2>But I don't think so.

690
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:48.199
<v Speaker 1>I didn't think it did.

691
00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:51.800
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, you know what we could do is is, uh,

692
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:54.840
<v Speaker 2>you could plug in your your monitoring keyboard and all

693
00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:56.280
<v Speaker 2>that stuff. We just go right into the pie or

694
00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:57.480
<v Speaker 2>we can sssh into it.

695
00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:02.559
<v Speaker 1>Either way, well, you'd have to have an IP addressed

696
00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:03.599
<v Speaker 1>a sensation to it. Right.

697
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:07.159
<v Speaker 2>No, you can use the name of the computer. So

698
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:10.079
<v Speaker 2>if you have putty or something handy on your I

699
00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:10.800
<v Speaker 2>do we could do that?

700
00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:11.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

701
00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:12.039
<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's give it a try.

702
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:17.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay. Uh, I could also open up my router. If

703
00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:19.760
<v Speaker 1>it did pull an IP address from the router, it

704
00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:22.000
<v Speaker 1>says host does not exist. I'm thinking that it's not

705
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:23.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking it's not connect.

706
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:25.079
<v Speaker 2>I think it's not connected.

707
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it's not connected. So, but it's plugged

708
00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:29.519
<v Speaker 1>into the same switch that I have my both of

709
00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:31.719
<v Speaker 1>my computers and my Flex Rado and everything else on.

710
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:34.760
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know if this piece of coax is

711
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:37.280
<v Speaker 1>bad or or what the deal is with that.

712
00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:41.400
<v Speaker 2>Can you unplug your flex and or something else and

713
00:35:41.480 --> 00:35:41.960
<v Speaker 2>plug it in?

714
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:45.559
<v Speaker 1>That's all behind the desk over there. That is a

715
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:47.239
<v Speaker 1>bad piece of coax. I have link lights on the

716
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:48.039
<v Speaker 1>Raspberry Pie now.

717
00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Ah so so how about that?

718
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:53.159
<v Speaker 1>Does it does show up? Is linked links likes?

719
00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:53.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

720
00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh it does?

721
00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:55.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

722
00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:56.760
<v Speaker 2>Never knows that? Okay.

723
00:35:57.280 --> 00:36:00.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can't say that I have either. So I've

724
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:02.440
<v Speaker 1>got a bad power pool and a bad coact and bad.

725
00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:04.159
<v Speaker 2>Is there anything else I can help you with debugging

726
00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:05.719
<v Speaker 2>your shout right exactly?

727
00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:07.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I can't remember the last time I use that

728
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Ethernet on anything. Okay, do we need to reboot for

729
00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:13.440
<v Speaker 1>it to grab an IP or should it do it

730
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:13.960
<v Speaker 1>by itself.

731
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:16.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, let's do If you reboot, it will do that.

732
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:18.480
<v Speaker 2>But let's go in through SSH and I'll show you

733
00:36:18.519 --> 00:36:18.920
<v Speaker 2>how to do that.

734
00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:21.639
<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, so let's pull that back up and just.

735
00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:27.039
<v Speaker 2>Say awesome, okay, okay, perfect log in as Sierra s

736
00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:27.920
<v Speaker 2>I E R R A.

737
00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:30.719
<v Speaker 3>By the way, but I don't know what it is.

738
00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:33.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're not You're not old enough.

739
00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:34.679
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay.

740
00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:38.480
<v Speaker 2>So if you go back to the to the seventies

741
00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:42.920
<v Speaker 2>era of radios when they had solid state receivers and

742
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:47.440
<v Speaker 2>tube finals, A very popular final tube in it, like

743
00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:49.800
<v Speaker 2>in the Kenwood radios, was a sixty one forty six.

744
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:53.440
<v Speaker 2>So there's a pair of sixty one forty six is there?

745
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:55.480
<v Speaker 2>That's your tricky for the day.

746
00:36:55.719 --> 00:36:56.159
<v Speaker 3>All right.

747
00:36:56.239 --> 00:36:59.199
<v Speaker 2>So now now we're logged into the PIE. So what

748
00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:01.400
<v Speaker 2>you see there on the prompt since the name of

749
00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:03.400
<v Speaker 2>the this is a little minute show. But since the

750
00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:06.239
<v Speaker 2>name of the of the PIE is station controller, the

751
00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:08.760
<v Speaker 2>prompt would be like half the screen, so it's abbreviated

752
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:11.440
<v Speaker 2>to just the dollar sign and the name of the

753
00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:13.840
<v Speaker 2>directory that you're in, which is Tilda. Here that means

754
00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:18.079
<v Speaker 2>you're logging directory. Now, to make things really easy, type

755
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:21.599
<v Speaker 2>the word menu, hit return. Okay, so there's your little

756
00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:26.000
<v Speaker 2>utility screen. The very first thing says get RPI IP address,

757
00:37:26.039 --> 00:37:27.280
<v Speaker 2>so type one and hit return.

758
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:28.159
<v Speaker 1>Oops.

759
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:29.760
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, there's your IP address.

760
00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah one, okay, good.

761
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:33.239
<v Speaker 2>That's all you need to know.

762
00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:34.119
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

763
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:37.599
<v Speaker 2>At this point you never have to do this ever again.

764
00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:42.039
<v Speaker 2>The other things on the little utility menu here are

765
00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:44.360
<v Speaker 2>just housekeeping things. If you want to go hack around

766
00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:47.119
<v Speaker 2>in your Raspberry Pie to customize it, then this. For

767
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:51.400
<v Speaker 2>people who are not very familiar with Linux, this menu

768
00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:54.760
<v Speaker 2>helps you just find convenient configuration files and let's your

769
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:58.119
<v Speaker 2>recoot the machine and stuff like that. So so we're

770
00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:00.440
<v Speaker 2>done with this. This is all you need to do.

771
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:05.119
<v Speaker 2>So we can just exit out of here and then

772
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:08.159
<v Speaker 2>pull up a browser, take.

773
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:11.840
<v Speaker 1>The take the automatically added s out of your HTTPS prompt.

774
00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:12.559
<v Speaker 3>Okay, there we go.

775
00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:14.440
<v Speaker 2>And by the way, if you want to run this

776
00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:20.039
<v Speaker 2>with HTTPS, then that's that's the user's problem to sort

777
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:21.719
<v Speaker 2>out how you want to run us securely.

778
00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:23.840
<v Speaker 1>But gotcha, okay, okay.

779
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:25.800
<v Speaker 2>Now what you're looking at here this is the dashboard

780
00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:30.039
<v Speaker 2>as as supplied on the SD card image. That is

781
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:34.079
<v Speaker 2>shipped with the product, and this has the control panel

782
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:37.880
<v Speaker 2>for three modules, or the gp io module, for the

783
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:40.840
<v Speaker 2>co x switch module, and for the RF wat meter module,

784
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:42.840
<v Speaker 2>which the want meter module. You don't happen to have

785
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:45.599
<v Speaker 2>that board because when I shipped you your your kit,

786
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:48.679
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have those those modules yet there there I

787
00:38:48.679 --> 00:38:52.320
<v Speaker 2>have them now, so we could do that another time. Now.

788
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:56.119
<v Speaker 2>The beauty of node read is is you could just

789
00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:58.239
<v Speaker 2>take this as as I ship it and just use

790
00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:02.880
<v Speaker 2>it and never customize it and it'll be fine. Or

791
00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:05.000
<v Speaker 2>you can go in and customize it. So like if

792
00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:07.519
<v Speaker 2>you said, well I want three coax relays, well you

793
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:10.519
<v Speaker 2>can go into the NOE red editor and you can

794
00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:14.719
<v Speaker 2>just copy my coax relay code and change the address

795
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:18.880
<v Speaker 2>and it'll just work. So it's really easy to enhance

796
00:39:18.920 --> 00:39:21.440
<v Speaker 2>and modify this to meet your own custom needs, or

797
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:22.840
<v Speaker 2>you can just use it out of the box the

798
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:24.920
<v Speaker 2>way I ship it. So what you see on the

799
00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:27.679
<v Speaker 2>upper left hand corner, that stack of green and red boxes,

800
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:30.679
<v Speaker 2>those are the four or rather the eight relays on

801
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:35.320
<v Speaker 2>the gpio module. The big box in the lower left

802
00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:38.079
<v Speaker 2>those are the four ports on the antenna switch. So

803
00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:41.280
<v Speaker 2>you'll notice that the antenna switch. LEDs are lit up

804
00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:45.199
<v Speaker 2>green red red red. That's because we're communicating with the

805
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:47.760
<v Speaker 2>co X switch. The GPIO modules not plugged in, so

806
00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:50.559
<v Speaker 2>those LEDs are grayed out. So because there's no data,

807
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:58.880
<v Speaker 2>So I preloaded labels in those four COAX positions, vertical beam,

808
00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:02.519
<v Speaker 2>something else and some dummy load or something. You can

809
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:04.719
<v Speaker 2>change those labels. That's really something to do. But let's

810
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:07.480
<v Speaker 2>go ahead and select a different port. So click your

811
00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:10.039
<v Speaker 2>mouse on one of the one of those green bars

812
00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:13.840
<v Speaker 2>here at clicking okay, here click and you'll notice also

813
00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:16.000
<v Speaker 2>on the board the led changes. You can tell which

814
00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:19.159
<v Speaker 2>which one is selected. So when you when you click

815
00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:22.039
<v Speaker 2>the this is important to kind of know for the

816
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:24.559
<v Speaker 2>reliability of the system. When you click a button like

817
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:28.400
<v Speaker 2>that to select the antenna, the dashboard sends the command

818
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:33.880
<v Speaker 2>over the network, the wired network to the co X

819
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:38.119
<v Speaker 2>relay and says, I want antenna number two. What the

820
00:40:38.119 --> 00:40:42.480
<v Speaker 2>board does is it first of all, it disconnects whatever

821
00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:45.840
<v Speaker 2>it was cooked up to before. It waits a short

822
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:49.800
<v Speaker 2>period of time like three hundred milliseconds. Then it connects

823
00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:53.599
<v Speaker 2>in whichever port you selected, So you're you're you're never

824
00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:56.880
<v Speaker 2>gonna have the chance of shorting anything out, so there's

825
00:40:56.880 --> 00:41:01.840
<v Speaker 2>a time gap between disconnect and connect. Yeah, and like

826
00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:04.039
<v Speaker 2>I said, they're latching relays, so if you pulled all

827
00:41:04.039 --> 00:41:06.960
<v Speaker 2>the power right now, that circuit will still be in place,

828
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:11.039
<v Speaker 2>so it'll still be operational. The other thing that happens

829
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:16.400
<v Speaker 2>is after the board makes that relay switch the board,

830
00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:19.559
<v Speaker 2>then the control module sends a message back to the

831
00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:23.320
<v Speaker 2>dashboard to say, here's my current state, and my current

832
00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:27.599
<v Speaker 2>state is Port one, three and four are off and

833
00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:30.519
<v Speaker 2>port two is on. So when you see the LEDs

834
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:34.400
<v Speaker 2>change color, that's not because you press the button, it's

835
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:38.440
<v Speaker 2>because the remote device sent a message back saying here's

836
00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:41.280
<v Speaker 2>my current state. So that way you know something happened.

837
00:41:41.320 --> 00:41:44.239
<v Speaker 2>So if you press let's say vertical antenna and it

838
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:47.519
<v Speaker 2>never changes to green, then something happened and the message

839
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:49.599
<v Speaker 2>never made it. Maybe there's a collision on the network,

840
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:53.000
<v Speaker 2>or something got unplugged, or who knows. So just because

841
00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:55.199
<v Speaker 2>you press the button doesn't mean it happens it only

842
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:57.280
<v Speaker 2>you only know what happens when the indicator says it.

843
00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:02.840
<v Speaker 2>So click vertical antenna. The top up one again. So

844
00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:05.400
<v Speaker 2>it took about a second or two for the LED

845
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:09.039
<v Speaker 2>to update. The relay actually switched immediately.

846
00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:12.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you could hear the relay click immediately and then

847
00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:15.039
<v Speaker 1>it clicked again, and then that's when the LED. Immediately

848
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:17.000
<v Speaker 1>after the second click is when the LED changed.

849
00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:20.639
<v Speaker 2>Right. So again what happens is press the button, the

850
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:25.159
<v Speaker 2>module gets the message, disconnects the relay first click, very

851
00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:28.639
<v Speaker 2>slight pause, connects the new relay, second click, sends the

852
00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:31.960
<v Speaker 2>message back to the dashboard. Dashboard updates the LED. All

853
00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:34.320
<v Speaker 2>that takes one second or so for that tap.

854
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:37.800
<v Speaker 3>Okay, cool, and and that's it.

855
00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:40.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean that that's all it takes to you know.

856
00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:43.000
<v Speaker 2>The the biggest pain is like buy network cables bad.

857
00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:46.519
<v Speaker 2>So I mean yeah, if you have a good if

858
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:48.519
<v Speaker 2>you have a good network connection power supply, this whole

859
00:42:48.519 --> 00:42:51.039
<v Speaker 2>thing will take five minutes, right, So that's that's that.

860
00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:51.920
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

861
00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:56.800
<v Speaker 1>So these so there's there's four options for voltmeter and

862
00:42:56.840 --> 00:43:00.760
<v Speaker 1>four options for temperature sensor. Are those something I have

863
00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:02.559
<v Speaker 1>here or is that something to be added later?

864
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:02.800
<v Speaker 3>Oh?

865
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:04.440
<v Speaker 2>No, you got there. Let's go ahead and hook that up.

866
00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:06.719
<v Speaker 2>So let's let's go back to the bench and we'll

867
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:08.159
<v Speaker 2>look up the gpio module.

868
00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:12.199
<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, this is just one of these Ethernet cables.

869
00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll plug it into one of the black connectors

870
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:20.440
<v Speaker 2>on the on the pie board and then plug it

871
00:43:20.440 --> 00:43:25.800
<v Speaker 2>into the first bonding connector. Okay, and you don't have

872
00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:28.760
<v Speaker 2>to reboot anything. It'll all self heal when it when

873
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:30.760
<v Speaker 2>it comes up. So the so the board's up and

874
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:34.320
<v Speaker 2>running now, okay, so if we if we go back

875
00:43:34.360 --> 00:43:35.800
<v Speaker 2>to our dashboard.

876
00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:38.559
<v Speaker 1>Yep, yeah, it's already lit up. They're all red but

877
00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:39.280
<v Speaker 1>it's all lit up.

878
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:42.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it's so it's already gone an update. So

879
00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:45.360
<v Speaker 2>go ahead and click one of the green relay buttons

880
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:46.960
<v Speaker 2>on like one of the first four ones. You'll hear

881
00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:49.199
<v Speaker 2>it click like really one.

882
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:50.719
<v Speaker 1>Yep, slight click.

883
00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:54.880
<v Speaker 2>There you go. So, so what you see here is, uh,

884
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:58.000
<v Speaker 2>there's the really one, two, three, and four are the

885
00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:01.760
<v Speaker 2>the little white Ellie or led the little white relays

886
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:04.039
<v Speaker 2>on the board. Those are a single pole, single throw,

887
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:08.559
<v Speaker 2>two amp maximum contacts and you can put whatever you

888
00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:11.800
<v Speaker 2>want through there that's two amps or less. Then the

889
00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:16.480
<v Speaker 2>next four relays are open collector outputs, and what that

890
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:20.519
<v Speaker 2>means is that when those are active, that output will

891
00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:24.320
<v Speaker 2>be pulled to ground. So there's a five hundred milliamp

892
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:29.079
<v Speaker 2>capable transistor that's pulling that signal to ground. So it's

893
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:31.679
<v Speaker 2>a solid state kind of a switch. And what would

894
00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:34.239
<v Speaker 2>you use that for if you if you said, well,

895
00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:38.599
<v Speaker 2>I need to switch like a thirty amp power relay. Okay,

896
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:40.960
<v Speaker 2>you go get a power relay with a twelve volt

897
00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:43.519
<v Speaker 2>coil and you would hook up twelve volts to one

898
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:46.679
<v Speaker 2>side which I supply out of the board, or and

899
00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:48.679
<v Speaker 2>you hook up the open collector output to the other

900
00:44:48.679 --> 00:44:50.920
<v Speaker 2>side of the relay and it'll just there you go.

901
00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:54.639
<v Speaker 2>There's some little relays that are in your installation kit.

902
00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:57.519
<v Speaker 2>There are little dinrail mountable, skinny little relays that I

903
00:44:57.519 --> 00:44:58.960
<v Speaker 2>put in there that you could hook up to that

904
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:02.840
<v Speaker 2>as an example, okay, okay. Then to the right of

905
00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:07.559
<v Speaker 2>that it says digital input. There's four opto isolated digital inputs.

906
00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:09.960
<v Speaker 2>And what this means is if any of those four

907
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:14.039
<v Speaker 2>inputs are pulled to ground, then that LED will turn on.

908
00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:17.320
<v Speaker 2>So what would you use that for, Well, like if

909
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:18.800
<v Speaker 2>you have a remote site, you might want to put

910
00:45:18.800 --> 00:45:21.039
<v Speaker 2>a door alarm on the building. You're on the cabinet

911
00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:25.880
<v Speaker 2>or you know. I mean, it's a universal thing. It's

912
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:29.320
<v Speaker 2>a switch closure. Then to the right of that it

913
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:32.000
<v Speaker 2>says vaultmeter. And like you said, there's four voltmeters stacked

914
00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:35.880
<v Speaker 2>up there. So the voltmeters on this system can read

915
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:40.199
<v Speaker 2>from zero to fifty volts DC and they're all system

916
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:44.719
<v Speaker 2>ground referenced, which means they all whatever you're measuring that

917
00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:47.239
<v Speaker 2>twelve volts it has to be the same ground potential

918
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:51.119
<v Speaker 2>as the controller. Okay, so typically I mean and normally

919
00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:53.519
<v Speaker 2>it would be. And what would you use the voltmeters for?

920
00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:55.639
<v Speaker 2>Like in my station, I have it hooked up. The

921
00:45:55.639 --> 00:45:57.000
<v Speaker 2>first thing I hook it up to is the output

922
00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:00.679
<v Speaker 2>of my power supply because I want to know, you know,

923
00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:04.039
<v Speaker 2>if the power supply is working or sagging or whatever,

924
00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:06.880
<v Speaker 2>and if I'm on battery backup, I want to measure

925
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:10.159
<v Speaker 2>the battery voltage, which could be the same point in

926
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:12.599
<v Speaker 2>the system. So let's say, for example, if your station

927
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:16.280
<v Speaker 2>has a big hundred damp hower lithium iron phosphate battery,

928
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:19.480
<v Speaker 2>you want to hook up one of your vaultmeter inputs

929
00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:21.960
<v Speaker 2>to that battery, and you might have a charger or

930
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:24.800
<v Speaker 2>power supply keeping that battery topped off, and when you

931
00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:26.719
<v Speaker 2>lose AC power, the battery is still running, but you

932
00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:28.360
<v Speaker 2>want to see what the battery voltage is to make

933
00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:32.719
<v Speaker 2>sure it's still looking healthy. Then to the right of

934
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:35.599
<v Speaker 2>that are temperature probes. There are three on the dashboard.

935
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:39.599
<v Speaker 2>There's two jacks for temperature probes, and the software supports

936
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:42.400
<v Speaker 2>a third one that's not on the board, so there's

937
00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:45.800
<v Speaker 2>really two temperature probes. And again those are little. There's

938
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:47.960
<v Speaker 2>like a three to six foot cable with a little

939
00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:51.039
<v Speaker 2>capsule at the end, a little metal capsule. Yeah, you

940
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:54.920
<v Speaker 2>plug in the wire through a terminal block and then

941
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:58.000
<v Speaker 2>it'll tell you what the temperature is. No calibration required.

942
00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:03.639
<v Speaker 1>Now, these are all connected through these four here on

943
00:47:03.679 --> 00:47:05.079
<v Speaker 1>the bottom of the gpio board.

944
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:09.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It so hold up the gpio board so you'll see. Yeah,

945
00:47:09.880 --> 00:47:12.840
<v Speaker 2>there's a row of connectors at the bottom. So and

946
00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:15.519
<v Speaker 2>if you look at the there's a little plugs that

947
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:18.039
<v Speaker 2>plug in there. So the actual place where you put

948
00:47:18.039 --> 00:47:21.159
<v Speaker 2>the wire is a pluggable connector. So there's a little

949
00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:23.880
<v Speaker 2>block and you it's a rising clamp thing, so you

950
00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:26.360
<v Speaker 2>unscrew it. You stick in the wire and screw it down,

951
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:29.000
<v Speaker 2>and then you plug that thing into one of those.

952
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:30.400
<v Speaker 3>Connectors into here.

953
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:30.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

954
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:31.480
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

955
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:34.079
<v Speaker 2>The nice thing about that is, let's say for some

956
00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:37.119
<v Speaker 2>reason you want to remove the controller. You don't want

957
00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:40.800
<v Speaker 2>to unscrew eighteen wires or more right, you know, So

958
00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:43.920
<v Speaker 2>you just unplug the terminal blocks and swap out the

959
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:46.519
<v Speaker 2>board or whatever, and you'll see silkscreen on the top

960
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:48.920
<v Speaker 2>of the board. It'll tell you that. The left block

961
00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:53.400
<v Speaker 2>is the analog voltmeter input. So each pair of pins

962
00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:56.840
<v Speaker 2>is like voltmeter one in ground voltmeter two ground voltmeter,

963
00:47:56.920 --> 00:47:59.280
<v Speaker 2>three ground voltmeter four ground. That's the eight pens on

964
00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:02.480
<v Speaker 2>that block. The next one over is the open collectors,

965
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:05.920
<v Speaker 2>so each pair of pins is like open collector output

966
00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:09.400
<v Speaker 2>and in a twelve volt power out so you can

967
00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:13.039
<v Speaker 2>you can power a relay. The next block over are

968
00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:17.400
<v Speaker 2>the four little white internal SPST relays, so that's two

969
00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:21.440
<v Speaker 2>pins per relay, okay. And then the fourth block to

970
00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:26.880
<v Speaker 2>the right is the pulled the ground digital inputs.

971
00:48:26.440 --> 00:48:28.559
<v Speaker 3>Through the offers right okay.

972
00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:31.559
<v Speaker 2>And then along the upper top the two three pin

973
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:34.599
<v Speaker 2>connectors in the middle. Those are the two temperature probes.

974
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:39.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, okay, so specific probes for temperature okay, good.

975
00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Good, And again those are not thermal couples. They're not.

976
00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:44.920
<v Speaker 2>They don't require calibration. It's a digital temperature probe. You

977
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:45.880
<v Speaker 2>just plug it in, it just.

978
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:47.480
<v Speaker 3>Works, okay.

979
00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Nice.

980
00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:50.519
<v Speaker 3>What's this one here, that's a system connector.

981
00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:53.559
<v Speaker 2>All the boards have this and it's just extra connections

982
00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:56.320
<v Speaker 2>for network and power. So if for some reason you

983
00:48:56.320 --> 00:48:58.280
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to use the RJ forty five, you had

984
00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:00.719
<v Speaker 2>a twisted pair you want to plug in, So let

985
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:02.920
<v Speaker 2>me give you kind of here's a here's a like

986
00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:06.599
<v Speaker 2>an advanced tip. So one of the things you could do.

987
00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:09.079
<v Speaker 2>If you're in the normal use you don't have to

988
00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:10.599
<v Speaker 2>do this, but if you're curious and want to see

989
00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:13.599
<v Speaker 2>what's going on in the network. Inside your installation kit,

990
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:19.159
<v Speaker 2>there's a little USB dongle, that little blue dongle, and

991
00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:22.000
<v Speaker 2>on the on the back end of the dongle is

992
00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:27.960
<v Speaker 2>a little two pin screw terminal and what that's for

993
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:30.760
<v Speaker 2>is it's a there you go. So so that's a

994
00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:35.360
<v Speaker 2>USB comport ftd I chip in there, and it goes

995
00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:39.679
<v Speaker 2>from the USB connection numerates a comport converts it to

996
00:49:39.800 --> 00:49:42.719
<v Speaker 2>RS forty five, which is what my network connection is,

997
00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:45.119
<v Speaker 2>and that's what those two pins are. So on that

998
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:50.199
<v Speaker 2>upper left hand corner terminal block, there's two pairs of

999
00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:53.239
<v Speaker 2>what's called the AB signals for the RS forty five.

1000
00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:55.159
<v Speaker 2>So you can just take a piece of ZIP cord,

1001
00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:58.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, like you're you know one E gauge block

1002
00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:01.960
<v Speaker 2>and red zip coord and put it between the terminals

1003
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:05.559
<v Speaker 2>on that little blue thing and then two pins on

1004
00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:08.599
<v Speaker 2>that extra system bus, and then you could pull up

1005
00:50:08.639 --> 00:50:11.360
<v Speaker 2>putty and you could watch the traffic on the network

1006
00:50:11.400 --> 00:50:14.880
<v Speaker 2>going back and forth between. Oh nice, the Raspberry Pie

1007
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:18.840
<v Speaker 2>and the module. Now, for a normal you know, appliance

1008
00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:22.320
<v Speaker 2>plug and play black box kind of deployment, you'd never

1009
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:24.280
<v Speaker 2>do that. There's no reason the world you'd ever want

1010
00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:27.320
<v Speaker 2>to do that. But it's it's if you're curious what's

1011
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:30.760
<v Speaker 2>going on, you want to see what's actually happening under

1012
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:32.480
<v Speaker 2>the hood. It's kind of fun to watch the traffic

1013
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:35.239
<v Speaker 2>bouncing back and forth. So what you'll see is the

1014
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:39.800
<v Speaker 2>Raspberry Pie will will pull each of the modules, so

1015
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:43.239
<v Speaker 2>it'll say, hey, module number one, what's your status? Module

1016
00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:45.400
<v Speaker 2>one will measure all the inputs and send them all

1017
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:48.199
<v Speaker 2>back to the dashboard. Then it'll go to Module two.

1018
00:50:48.199 --> 00:50:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Then I'll go to module three, and so it round

1019
00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:52.760
<v Speaker 2>robins through all the three modules if you have the

1020
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:57.119
<v Speaker 2>third one there, and then updates the so the dashboard

1021
00:50:57.199 --> 00:51:03.000
<v Speaker 2>is updated about every thirty seconds automatically, or if you

1022
00:51:03.079 --> 00:51:06.159
<v Speaker 2>command anything on a board, it will automatically update that

1023
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:10.039
<v Speaker 2>module when you do the command. Okay, so that's the

1024
00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:12.639
<v Speaker 2>that's the basics. You've basically done the setup now. Now

1025
00:51:12.679 --> 00:51:14.239
<v Speaker 2>the the only other work to do is to actually

1026
00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:15.039
<v Speaker 2>hook it up to something.

1027
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, So these are these are all B

1028
00:51:18.039 --> 00:51:21.360
<v Speaker 1>and C connectors here, so I would need like a well,

1029
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:25.039
<v Speaker 1>currently I have the alpha delta four position switch on

1030
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:29.760
<v Speaker 1>my for my HF radios because I have I'm trying

1031
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:32.199
<v Speaker 1>to remember my lady's configuration. I think I have one

1032
00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:35.920
<v Speaker 1>antenna to the common and then I have my my

1033
00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:40.400
<v Speaker 1>flex and my Icy seventy seven hundred that go and

1034
00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:41.920
<v Speaker 1>and then oh and then I have an extra cable

1035
00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:43.599
<v Speaker 1>that comes up here on the work bench for doing

1036
00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:46.719
<v Speaker 1>video stuff whatnot, plugging in extra radios and whatnot, and

1037
00:51:46.760 --> 00:51:49.760
<v Speaker 1>they all go to the one antenna right now. So

1038
00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:52.159
<v Speaker 1>I would probably want to plug that antenna into this

1039
00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:55.280
<v Speaker 1>middle poord and but those are all PO twifty nine,

1040
00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:56.679
<v Speaker 1>so I have to get some adapters, which.

1041
00:51:56.559 --> 00:51:58.639
<v Speaker 2>Is so or look at you look at your bag.

1042
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:02.000
<v Speaker 2>You might find some co X cables in there.

1043
00:52:02.719 --> 00:52:04.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh I did see those, yes.

1044
00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:05.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, break those out?

1045
00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:08.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, okay, so yeah, so B and C on

1046
00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:10.800
<v Speaker 1>that end and PEL two fifty nine on that end.

1047
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:12.760
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, good, So those are going to be optional.

1048
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:14.599
<v Speaker 2>They don't come with with the with the board, but

1049
00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:17.000
<v Speaker 2>h and the reason is that people may just be

1050
00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:18.800
<v Speaker 2>using B and c'st I mean most of us for

1051
00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:21.000
<v Speaker 2>our HF radios, we use PEL two fifty nine, two

1052
00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:24.639
<v Speaker 2>fifty nine, right, So they'll be available as options to

1053
00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:26.280
<v Speaker 2>go with the kit. Now you might say, well, why

1054
00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:29.000
<v Speaker 2>the world use B and C connectors? And and there's

1055
00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:31.800
<v Speaker 2>a good reason for that. If you're if you're building

1056
00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:36.159
<v Speaker 2>a device like this where it's on a printed circuit board,

1057
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:38.199
<v Speaker 2>there is no such thing as a SO two thirty

1058
00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:40.960
<v Speaker 2>nine or end connector for a PC board. They don't exist.

1059
00:52:41.320 --> 00:52:43.519
<v Speaker 2>So the only connector that you can really use is

1060
00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:46.159
<v Speaker 2>a B and C or like an SMA. I don't

1061
00:52:46.199 --> 00:52:48.639
<v Speaker 2>want to do that. So so bn C is a

1062
00:52:48.679 --> 00:52:51.679
<v Speaker 2>perfectly fine connector and it keeps the it keeps it

1063
00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:52.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of compact to boot.

1064
00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:54.599
<v Speaker 1>So it's also a lot smaller. I thought that's what

1065
00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:56.800
<v Speaker 1>you're going to say, is they're just five in a row,

1066
00:52:56.960 --> 00:52:58.599
<v Speaker 1>So two thirty nine would take a whole lot more

1067
00:52:58.639 --> 00:52:59.039
<v Speaker 1>room than this.

1068
00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:04.360
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, So okay, exactly. Now I'm thinking I may build

1069
00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:06.880
<v Speaker 2>a bigger switch box in the future with more connections

1070
00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:09.800
<v Speaker 2>with it's a box that has can you know, so

1071
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:12.760
<v Speaker 2>two thirty nines But that's like someday maybe.

1072
00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:18.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, all right, good local IP address to connect

1073
00:53:18.440 --> 00:53:22.639
<v Speaker 1>to this system station controller from within the land.

1074
00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:26.920
<v Speaker 2>So that's a good question. So so right now that

1075
00:53:26.920 --> 00:53:28.880
<v Speaker 2>that problem is up to the user to figure out.

1076
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:32.639
<v Speaker 2>So the simple answer I'm not wild about. The simple

1077
00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:36.440
<v Speaker 2>answer is you open a port on your router and

1078
00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:38.880
<v Speaker 2>when you're and you know the wane address of your router,

1079
00:53:39.199 --> 00:53:40.840
<v Speaker 2>so when you're out and about, you point to the

1080
00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:43.199
<v Speaker 2>wine address and the port and then you'll see the

1081
00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:45.119
<v Speaker 2>web page. Now the problem with that, of course is

1082
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:49.000
<v Speaker 2>now that's a vulnerability, right, you know idea but like

1083
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:51.239
<v Speaker 2>when you run your flex, you have to open up

1084
00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:54.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, ports to talk to your flex, correct, although

1085
00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:56.719
<v Speaker 2>smart link does kind of help you with that. So

1086
00:53:57.119 --> 00:53:59.719
<v Speaker 2>one of the things that that we're working on is

1087
00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:04.679
<v Speaker 2>is looking at doing a something similar to smart link

1088
00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:08.920
<v Speaker 2>where you would have a a server you would log

1089
00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:13.079
<v Speaker 2>into which would then essentially proxy to your your device

1090
00:54:13.119 --> 00:54:15.840
<v Speaker 2>at home, which would give you a layer of security.

1091
00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:21.239
<v Speaker 2>So that's probably a better approach. You know, a lot

1092
00:54:21.239 --> 00:54:22.960
<v Speaker 2>of people will do a VPN or they'll do some

1093
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:24.719
<v Speaker 2>of you know people, there's a lot of hams who

1094
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:27.280
<v Speaker 2>are really networking experts, and they'll just they have sixteen

1095
00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:30.960
<v Speaker 2>different ways they'll do it. But for the casual, non

1096
00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:35.880
<v Speaker 2>network expert, then besides opening up ports, we're looking at

1097
00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:39.000
<v Speaker 2>at having a proxy service to make that available. But

1098
00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:40.760
<v Speaker 2>that that's not going to be a free thing. That's

1099
00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:44.199
<v Speaker 2>like a subscription thing. But that's that's not our business

1100
00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:46.079
<v Speaker 2>model is not to have a subscription model where you

1101
00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:48.280
<v Speaker 2>have to use a service. This is all self hosted

1102
00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:51.639
<v Speaker 2>and self run and and that would just be like

1103
00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:53.519
<v Speaker 2>an option if you really want to do that. But

1104
00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:56.000
<v Speaker 2>and that's not available yet anyway, probably later this year.

1105
00:54:56.840 --> 00:55:00.599
<v Speaker 1>Right right, Yeah, okay, we can all always us like

1106
00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:03.079
<v Speaker 1>some sort of remote desktop or V and C for

1107
00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:05.239
<v Speaker 1>sure to get into your network, which is what I use.

1108
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:08.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Actually, remote desktop is a really good idea because

1109
00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:10.679
<v Speaker 2>that way you don't even have to yeah, you just

1110
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:12.719
<v Speaker 2>point to that. And now, by the way, the other

1111
00:55:12.719 --> 00:55:14.400
<v Speaker 2>things you see in this dashboard here on the right

1112
00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:16.199
<v Speaker 2>hand side is the RF want meter. You don't have

1113
00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:20.679
<v Speaker 2>that module there, but but I did get those modules there.

1114
00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:23.199
<v Speaker 2>I've got them now they're up and running. They're they're

1115
00:55:23.239 --> 00:55:26.559
<v Speaker 2>working fine. The way the RF module works it looks

1116
00:55:26.639 --> 00:55:29.800
<v Speaker 2>very much like the coax really, except it's got two

1117
00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:33.480
<v Speaker 2>ports on it to talk to two RF directional couplers,

1118
00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:36.800
<v Speaker 2>so that means you can essentially have two want meters

1119
00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:40.519
<v Speaker 2>built into the system for one with each module you

1120
00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:44.480
<v Speaker 2>can have more modules, but it's two. So the way

1121
00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:46.679
<v Speaker 2>it works is is I didn't want to make the

1122
00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:50.840
<v Speaker 2>actual directional coupler itself, and there's a fella who I've

1123
00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:53.360
<v Speaker 2>worked with before that makes them that are they're very good.

1124
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:57.079
<v Speaker 2>He has a company called wave Node, and wave Node

1125
00:55:57.079 --> 00:55:59.719
<v Speaker 2>makes want meters and they make their own directional couplers

1126
00:55:59.800 --> 00:56:03.280
<v Speaker 2>and it's very easy to integrate their directional coupler into

1127
00:56:03.320 --> 00:56:05.599
<v Speaker 2>my system, so I just built it around their couplers.

1128
00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:09.159
<v Speaker 2>So their directional couplers are a little box. There's two connectors,

1129
00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:12.840
<v Speaker 2>so two thirty nine or n and they make different

1130
00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:16.800
<v Speaker 2>wattage and frequency range models, so there's three of them

1131
00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:20.679
<v Speaker 2>that are supported in the system. Currently. There's a the

1132
00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:24.679
<v Speaker 2>HF one meter a coupler which is zero to two

1133
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:29.119
<v Speaker 2>thousand watts HF and six. There's a low power HF

1134
00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:32.039
<v Speaker 2>one that's good for zero to sixty watts, and then

1135
00:56:32.079 --> 00:56:35.079
<v Speaker 2>there's a UHFVHF model that's good up to I think

1136
00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:37.280
<v Speaker 2>a couple one hundred watts up to three hundred or

1137
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:39.960
<v Speaker 2>up to five hundred mega hertz or something. So for

1138
00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:44.079
<v Speaker 2>like two meters, you'd use the UHF one. You can

1139
00:56:44.119 --> 00:56:47.400
<v Speaker 2>plug any of those three directional couplers into either of

1140
00:56:47.440 --> 00:56:50.079
<v Speaker 2>the two ports, and then there's a way that you

1141
00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:54.599
<v Speaker 2>tell the wat meter what the personality is of that thing.

1142
00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:56.840
<v Speaker 2>So let's say I have an Let's say I have

1143
00:56:56.920 --> 00:57:00.079
<v Speaker 2>my Flex radio and my Icon ninety seven hundred. I

1144
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:03.079
<v Speaker 2>would take the HF coupler, plug it into port one,

1145
00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:06.599
<v Speaker 2>take my VHF coupler, plug it into port two, and

1146
00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:09.559
<v Speaker 2>then I would go through the USB port on the

1147
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:12.119
<v Speaker 2>module with putty and there's a couple of commands that

1148
00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:15.239
<v Speaker 2>tells it what kind of module I'm using, and then

1149
00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:19.880
<v Speaker 2>everything is pre calibrated and goes from there. So there's

1150
00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:22.239
<v Speaker 2>a couple of ways that the WALP meter thing works.

1151
00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:27.320
<v Speaker 2>One thing is is that you can you can probe

1152
00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:31.119
<v Speaker 2>the status of the module, and the dashboard every thirty

1153
00:57:31.119 --> 00:57:34.599
<v Speaker 2>seconds probes every control module. It says what's your status.

1154
00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:37.880
<v Speaker 2>So when you do that, if there's any power being

1155
00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:40.840
<v Speaker 2>measured from either of those ports, it will show up

1156
00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:43.280
<v Speaker 2>on these gauges. So you can see the upper right

1157
00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:45.840
<v Speaker 2>hand corner is port one, so that's the first coupler.

1158
00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:49.079
<v Speaker 2>One meter is forward power, the other meter is reflected power,

1159
00:57:49.480 --> 00:57:52.280
<v Speaker 2>and then below that is walt meter two. The second port,

1160
00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:56.519
<v Speaker 2>same thing, forward and reflected power. So this is kind

1161
00:57:56.519 --> 00:57:58.000
<v Speaker 2>of the passive way to do it, where it's just

1162
00:57:58.039 --> 00:58:00.840
<v Speaker 2>constantly measuring it and giving you an update about what's

1163
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:03.079
<v Speaker 2>going on. The Other thing you can do is you

1164
00:58:03.079 --> 00:58:06.480
<v Speaker 2>can force a test. So the buttons below that says

1165
00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:09.159
<v Speaker 2>run are a want meter test on port one and

1166
00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:13.880
<v Speaker 2>on port two. Now what that does is it keys

1167
00:58:13.960 --> 00:58:17.920
<v Speaker 2>the transmitter, measures the power and returns the value. So

1168
00:58:18.039 --> 00:58:20.920
<v Speaker 2>this is really more useful for remote operating. So think

1169
00:58:20.920 --> 00:58:23.400
<v Speaker 2>about this way. When you're operating remote, You're not gonna

1170
00:58:23.639 --> 00:58:25.760
<v Speaker 2>want to watch the want meter constantly. What you want

1171
00:58:25.760 --> 00:58:27.920
<v Speaker 2>to do is maybe when you start, you know, I

1172
00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:31.559
<v Speaker 2>land in Hawaii, I pull out my tablet, I want

1173
00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:33.960
<v Speaker 2>to connect to my flex and I want to see,

1174
00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:35.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, how much power am I putting out? So

1175
00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:38.480
<v Speaker 2>you go to the dashboard, you hit run want meter test,

1176
00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:41.079
<v Speaker 2>and it'll tell you the ford and reflected power and

1177
00:58:41.079 --> 00:58:43.480
<v Speaker 2>then you'll say, okay, I'm good to go, and off

1178
00:58:43.519 --> 00:58:45.800
<v Speaker 2>I go. Now, the way that works is on the

1179
00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:49.599
<v Speaker 2>want meter board, there's a couple of extra optional pins,

1180
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:51.920
<v Speaker 2>and one of the pins on each port is a

1181
00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:56.320
<v Speaker 2>push to talk line. So when you press that first

1182
00:58:56.400 --> 00:58:59.519
<v Speaker 2>big green button, it tells the want meter first of all,

1183
00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:02.639
<v Speaker 2>to key the radio. So it pulls the PTT line low,

1184
00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:07.199
<v Speaker 2>keys up the transmitter, then measures the wattage, and then

1185
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:13.599
<v Speaker 2>unkeys the transmitter and returns that wattage back to the user. Now, currently,

1186
00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:17.880
<v Speaker 2>if you're if you're in, you have to put the

1187
00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:21.719
<v Speaker 2>radio it like into CW mode and then and then

1188
00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:25.199
<v Speaker 2>you have to do a key down with the PTT

1189
00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:27.559
<v Speaker 2>then and it'll work just fine. One of the things

1190
00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:29.400
<v Speaker 2>that I want to do with this is to add

1191
00:59:29.480 --> 00:59:33.480
<v Speaker 2>the the like, for example, the Flex Radio Control API,

1192
00:59:34.039 --> 00:59:36.119
<v Speaker 2>so that it'll it'll tell the Flex radio to do

1193
00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:40.800
<v Speaker 2>that automatically. I've had requests to add HAMLEB to the

1194
00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:43.440
<v Speaker 2>dashboard so you can hook up you know, your Icon

1195
00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:47.400
<v Speaker 2>seventy three hundred and do the same thing. So those

1196
00:59:47.440 --> 00:59:49.559
<v Speaker 2>are enhancements that I'm going to make to this over time.

1197
00:59:50.599 --> 00:59:52.639
<v Speaker 2>But right now that that's the way it works. The

1198
00:59:52.719 --> 00:59:54.480
<v Speaker 2>other thing that's that's useful is if let's say you're

1199
00:59:54.559 --> 00:59:57.440
<v Speaker 2>using this on a repeater system, there is also a

1200
00:59:57.440 --> 01:00:02.239
<v Speaker 2>an optional input pin that is a PTT input, and

1201
01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:07.599
<v Speaker 2>you might say, well, I want that. So so imagine this.

1202
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:10.639
<v Speaker 2>You've got the want meter on your two meter repeater

1203
01:00:11.159 --> 01:00:14.039
<v Speaker 2>M and one day you go, you know what, the

1204
01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:16.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't repeaters off the air? What's going on? And

1205
01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:18.719
<v Speaker 2>you you know, you key up, You don't hear anything.

1206
01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:21.599
<v Speaker 2>You go to the dashboard, you hit run the run

1207
01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:25.840
<v Speaker 2>the power test, and it comes back with zero watts. Okay,

1208
01:00:26.599 --> 01:00:30.079
<v Speaker 2>I zero wats is a problem. But I want to

1209
01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:31.920
<v Speaker 2>know did the transmitter think it was being keyed up

1210
01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:34.840
<v Speaker 2>at the time, because if you measure zero watts, that's

1211
01:00:34.880 --> 01:00:39.440
<v Speaker 2>either really bad or irrelevant because the transmitter is not

1212
01:00:39.519 --> 01:00:42.760
<v Speaker 2>keyed up. So so you can both monitor the state

1213
01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:46.119
<v Speaker 2>of the of the PTT line to the transmitter and

1214
01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:48.639
<v Speaker 2>you can also force it to PTT through the through

1215
01:00:48.679 --> 01:00:49.199
<v Speaker 2>the want meter.

1216
01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:54.679
<v Speaker 1>Okay, nice, Okay, Okay? These what meters you're talking about

1217
01:00:54.679 --> 01:00:56.599
<v Speaker 1>from wave note? Are that is that a is it

1218
01:00:56.679 --> 01:00:58.559
<v Speaker 1>a hardware or is that software?

1219
01:00:58.599 --> 01:00:59.000
<v Speaker 3>What meter?

1220
01:00:59.480 --> 01:01:01.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, it's it's a piece of hardware. So when

1221
01:01:01.239 --> 01:01:03.159
<v Speaker 2>you buy a want meter from Wave, note they have

1222
01:01:03.199 --> 01:01:06.239
<v Speaker 2>a control head and they have a directional coupler. Okay,

1223
01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:08.000
<v Speaker 2>so to use with our system, you don't need the

1224
01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:11.000
<v Speaker 2>want meter control head at all. Right, all you need

1225
01:01:11.119 --> 01:01:14.079
<v Speaker 2>is the directional coupler. And and by the way, the

1226
01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:18.559
<v Speaker 2>HF directional coupler is like sixty five bucks. Oh, I

1227
01:01:18.599 --> 01:01:22.480
<v Speaker 2>mean it is really really reasonably priced. Yeah yeah, okay,

1228
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:25.800
<v Speaker 2>that will force the MP address out into the module.

1229
01:01:26.000 --> 01:01:29.000
<v Speaker 1>That's what it did. Yep, that's exactly what it did. Okay, Yeah,

1230
01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:30.000
<v Speaker 1>this module right here.

1231
01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:33.840
<v Speaker 2>And then on the dashboard you'll notice that in the

1232
01:01:33.920 --> 01:01:36.880
<v Speaker 2>upper left hand corner of the dashboard there's the usual

1233
01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:37.639
<v Speaker 2>little hamburger.

1234
01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

1235
01:01:38.840 --> 01:01:40.880
<v Speaker 2>If you click on that, you'll see there's a second

1236
01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:44.039
<v Speaker 2>page that's Pie monitor. So this is a generic Pie

1237
01:01:44.079 --> 01:01:45.679
<v Speaker 2>computer status page.

1238
01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:49.159
<v Speaker 1>Okay. Every time I do a video about a Raspberry

1239
01:01:49.159 --> 01:01:52.800
<v Speaker 1>Pie something something, people are always commenting, Wow, that's see

1240
01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:55.000
<v Speaker 1>you tumberature is high. It's like, well, yeah, it's not.

1241
01:01:55.599 --> 01:01:57.719
<v Speaker 1>I've got the heater going because it's forty degrees outside

1242
01:01:57.800 --> 01:02:01.880
<v Speaker 1>right now, and there's no fan on this pie. Is

1243
01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:05.880
<v Speaker 1>there a there? I guess Since applies upside down, you

1244
01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:07.519
<v Speaker 1>can't really add a fan to the CPU.

1245
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:08.840
<v Speaker 2>On this thing, not not to the not to the

1246
01:02:08.880 --> 01:02:11.960
<v Speaker 2>top side. So it's yes, it's not just air cooled.

1247
01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:14.719
<v Speaker 2>Usually they don't tend to rend quite this high. But

1248
01:02:15.199 --> 01:02:16.039
<v Speaker 2>it seems to be fine.

1249
01:02:16.079 --> 01:02:19.159
<v Speaker 1>Normal, it's a little high, but again it's it's warm

1250
01:02:19.199 --> 01:02:23.639
<v Speaker 1>in here right now, so I can adjust that accordingly.

1251
01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:25.599
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, good, But that's that's good that you could

1252
01:02:25.639 --> 01:02:27.559
<v Speaker 1>monitor the actual pie though you can see how much

1253
01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:29.280
<v Speaker 1>it's just disk space and whatnot.

1254
01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:30.199
<v Speaker 3>So so this is.

1255
01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:34.920
<v Speaker 2>The beauty of node red that I built this dashboard

1256
01:02:35.119 --> 01:02:37.880
<v Speaker 2>and you can just go use it and it does

1257
01:02:37.880 --> 01:02:39.639
<v Speaker 2>what it's supposed to do and you never have to

1258
01:02:39.639 --> 01:02:42.400
<v Speaker 2>touch it. Or I think, like a lot of us,

1259
01:02:42.679 --> 01:02:44.760
<v Speaker 2>the first time you use something, you don't want to.

1260
01:02:44.840 --> 01:02:47.159
<v Speaker 2>You don't want to start scratch, you want to just

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01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:49.519
<v Speaker 2>start working. But once you start to get the hang

1262
01:02:49.559 --> 01:02:51.960
<v Speaker 2>of whatever the thing is, then you start thinking, you know,

1263
01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:54.599
<v Speaker 2>I could do this if only I had a way

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01:02:54.599 --> 01:02:56.559
<v Speaker 2>to get to it. And so the nice thing about

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01:02:56.599 --> 01:02:58.760
<v Speaker 2>node red is you can extend it as much as

1266
01:02:58.800 --> 01:03:02.960
<v Speaker 2>you want and become as much of a node red guru.

1267
01:03:04.440 --> 01:03:07.440
<v Speaker 2>And there's literally thousands of people doing this because if

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01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:09.559
<v Speaker 2>you go to groups dot io and go to the

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01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:13.039
<v Speaker 2>node red hand Radio forum. There's like two thousand plus

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01:03:13.159 --> 01:03:16.880
<v Speaker 2>members of that forum alone. Wow, So there's a whole

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01:03:16.920 --> 01:03:18.760
<v Speaker 2>lot of people out there that are doing these things,

1272
01:03:19.159 --> 01:03:21.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, like Mike and like Kyle A. Zero Z

1273
01:03:22.639 --> 01:03:25.639
<v Speaker 2>and a lot of other people that are very knowledgeable.

1274
01:03:25.719 --> 01:03:30.559
<v Speaker 2>And to add functionality, it's really pretty easy. You just

1275
01:03:30.599 --> 01:03:32.920
<v Speaker 2>go to through the web browser, you point to a

1276
01:03:32.920 --> 01:03:35.800
<v Speaker 2>different IP address, you see all the flows and you

1277
01:03:35.800 --> 01:03:38.920
<v Speaker 2>can modify them or copy them or add in something

1278
01:03:38.960 --> 01:03:43.719
<v Speaker 2>else and it just works. And so what we're going

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01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:46.760
<v Speaker 2>to distribute is is this software in two forms. One

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01:03:46.880 --> 01:03:51.239
<v Speaker 2>is the SD card image, which has the operating system

1281
01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:53.599
<v Speaker 2>pre configured with all the things that you have to do,

1282
01:03:53.679 --> 01:03:56.280
<v Speaker 2>and there's like a dozen or two things that have

1283
01:03:56.320 --> 01:03:58.719
<v Speaker 2>to be done to configure it properly, but that'll all

1284
01:03:58.760 --> 01:04:01.119
<v Speaker 2>be pre configured on the STD card or on the

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01:04:01.159 --> 01:04:04.840
<v Speaker 2>image that you could download. And then there's the flow,

1286
01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:07.360
<v Speaker 2>which is the dashboard that's also pre installed, of course,

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01:04:07.719 --> 01:04:11.400
<v Speaker 2>but that will evolve over time as we add more

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01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:14.599
<v Speaker 2>things to the NOE re read environment. There may be

1289
01:04:14.639 --> 01:04:17.360
<v Speaker 2>new libraries to add or new flows with new features,

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01:04:17.679 --> 01:04:19.480
<v Speaker 2>and those will be separately downloadable, So you don't have

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01:04:19.519 --> 01:04:23.039
<v Speaker 2>to reimage the thing, although you could or just download

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01:04:23.079 --> 01:04:24.000
<v Speaker 2>the new flow and run that.

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01:04:24.519 --> 01:04:27.039
<v Speaker 1>What kind of time frame you looking at before this

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01:04:27.079 --> 01:04:28.119
<v Speaker 1>is available to the public.

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01:04:29.159 --> 01:04:32.239
<v Speaker 2>So the first thing I wanted to do is well,

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01:04:32.239 --> 01:04:35.639
<v Speaker 2>step one is proved to myself that it works. So

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01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:39.039
<v Speaker 2>that was really twenty four was mostly like, you know,

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01:04:39.440 --> 01:04:41.280
<v Speaker 2>get it to work to the point that I'm happy

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01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:44.199
<v Speaker 2>to share it with somebody else. My second goal was

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01:04:44.239 --> 01:04:47.880
<v Speaker 2>to get beta's out by the end of December, and

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01:04:47.960 --> 01:04:52.599
<v Speaker 2>so currently there are eleven there's eleven beta sites, the

1302
01:04:52.679 --> 01:04:54.239
<v Speaker 2>last two of which I still have to ship. So

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01:04:54.239 --> 01:04:56.039
<v Speaker 2>there's nine betas that are actually out in the field

1304
01:04:56.119 --> 01:04:59.559
<v Speaker 2>right now, two more to get shipped, and all the

1305
01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:02.440
<v Speaker 2>feedback I've gotten so far, there's nothing in any of

1306
01:05:02.440 --> 01:05:04.880
<v Speaker 2>the feedback that would lead me to change anything on

1307
01:05:04.960 --> 01:05:08.320
<v Speaker 2>the hardware, or even the firmware for that matter, although

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01:05:08.320 --> 01:05:09.679
<v Speaker 2>I can think of more things I want to do,

1309
01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:12.480
<v Speaker 2>but for right now, I think it's pretty pretty stable

1310
01:05:12.519 --> 01:05:16.800
<v Speaker 2>and solid. Then most of what I've been doing in

1311
01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:21.519
<v Speaker 2>the last couple of weeks has been documentation because there's

1312
01:05:22.480 --> 01:05:25.679
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and one questions that people have, and so

1313
01:05:25.679 --> 01:05:27.480
<v Speaker 2>I've been trying to capture all those that one of

1314
01:05:27.519 --> 01:05:29.880
<v Speaker 2>the reasons for the beta is to find out what

1315
01:05:29.960 --> 01:05:31.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, what people like or what they don't like,

1316
01:05:31.519 --> 01:05:33.920
<v Speaker 2>or what's working and not working. And so far, so far,

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01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:35.960
<v Speaker 2>everything is working the way it's supposed to be working,

1318
01:05:36.039 --> 01:05:37.840
<v Speaker 2>and most of the feedback are things that I just

1319
01:05:37.880 --> 01:05:41.679
<v Speaker 2>haven't gotten to yet, which is good. So anyway, that's

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01:05:41.679 --> 01:05:45.800
<v Speaker 2>sort of the background. I'm My goal was always to

1321
01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:49.400
<v Speaker 2>have them available for sale at hand Bension, so I'll

1322
01:05:49.440 --> 01:05:51.320
<v Speaker 2>be at hand Benson this year. I'll have them with

1323
01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:54.199
<v Speaker 2>me for sale, but based on the way things are

1324
01:05:54.239 --> 01:05:56.719
<v Speaker 2>going right now, I will probably have them for sale

1325
01:05:56.840 --> 01:06:01.559
<v Speaker 2>before then. So most likely I would say February March

1326
01:06:02.199 --> 01:06:04.920
<v Speaker 2>probably they'll be put up for sale. I stop to

1327
01:06:04.920 --> 01:06:08.400
<v Speaker 2>figure out the final pricing for all this and and

1328
01:06:08.559 --> 01:06:11.639
<v Speaker 2>how you know, what all the variations are like. For example,

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01:06:11.719 --> 01:06:14.599
<v Speaker 2>my first thought a long time ago was I'll just

1330
01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:17.519
<v Speaker 2>put instructions on how to configure a raspberry pie, and

1331
01:06:17.719 --> 01:06:19.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, people will just have their own raspberry pie.

1332
01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:23.079
<v Speaker 2>They'll just get the Raspberry Pie motherboard and then do

1333
01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:28.599
<v Speaker 2>the pie themselves. Everybody in the beta group are experienced,

1334
01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:31.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, they've they've done this sort of thing before.

1335
01:06:31.760 --> 01:06:36.679
<v Speaker 2>They they're raspberry Pie Linux not a problem. Everybody was like,

1336
01:06:37.159 --> 01:06:41.039
<v Speaker 2>this is a pain in the neck, so really totally,

1337
01:06:41.719 --> 01:06:43.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, And it turns out that the documentation was

1338
01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:46.000
<v Speaker 2>actually not too bad, and it's like do this, do this,

1339
01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:48.000
<v Speaker 2>do this, do this. You know, in a half hour,

1340
01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:51.079
<v Speaker 2>you're done building the image. But you know, even people

1341
01:06:51.079 --> 01:06:53.880
<v Speaker 2>that are very experienced are like, like, I'm too busy

1342
01:06:53.920 --> 01:06:56.320
<v Speaker 2>with life to do this. Can I just get it?

1343
01:06:56.800 --> 01:07:00.719
<v Speaker 2>And so I so I decided that, you know, I'll

1344
01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:05.880
<v Speaker 2>just distribute the pre created SD card image like you imaged.

1345
01:07:07.079 --> 01:07:10.679
<v Speaker 2>And in fact, I bought a pile of Raspberry Pie

1346
01:07:10.719 --> 01:07:14.320
<v Speaker 2>threes because I know for sure there's people that are like,

1347
01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:16.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to screw the thing into the board,

1348
01:07:16.519 --> 01:07:19.079
<v Speaker 2>I just want to get it. So what I'm gonna do, Jason,

1349
01:07:19.159 --> 01:07:24.360
<v Speaker 2>is is for those people who just want to spend

1350
01:07:24.360 --> 01:07:26.840
<v Speaker 2>the money and get it and literally go click, click,

1351
01:07:26.880 --> 01:07:29.880
<v Speaker 2>and it works. Then I'll have everything pre configured, you know,

1352
01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:32.400
<v Speaker 2>Raspberry Pie, I'm out of the board, SD card installed,

1353
01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:37.280
<v Speaker 2>everything is, you know, done, click it together, You're done.

1354
01:07:37.440 --> 01:07:39.760
<v Speaker 2>And for those people who who are thinking, you know,

1355
01:07:40.599 --> 01:07:43.320
<v Speaker 2>this is great, but I want to spend as little

1356
01:07:43.360 --> 01:07:45.320
<v Speaker 2>as I can, and I've got stuff you know, I

1357
01:07:45.320 --> 01:07:48.880
<v Speaker 2>got a Raspberry Pie, I've got a you know whatever,

1358
01:07:49.119 --> 01:07:52.719
<v Speaker 2>I got cables, you know, then I'll probably have some

1359
01:07:52.760 --> 01:07:55.800
<v Speaker 2>of this stuff as kind of not kit form but

1360
01:07:55.920 --> 01:07:59.199
<v Speaker 2>like pieces. So you know, you can get the Raspberry

1361
01:07:59.239 --> 01:08:01.199
<v Speaker 2>Pie board without the Raspberry Pie or you can get

1362
01:08:01.199 --> 01:08:02.440
<v Speaker 2>it with it. But if you get it with it,

1363
01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:04.719
<v Speaker 2>I get to pay somebody to create the image and

1364
01:08:04.760 --> 01:08:07.599
<v Speaker 2>install it and test it. So that's not free. So

1365
01:08:07.800 --> 01:08:09.440
<v Speaker 2>it costs me money to do that, so I have

1366
01:08:09.519 --> 01:08:11.119
<v Speaker 2>to like jack up the price. So if you want

1367
01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:13.079
<v Speaker 2>to do your own, that's great. You want me to

1368
01:08:13.239 --> 01:08:15.159
<v Speaker 2>do it for you, that's fine too, it just costs

1369
01:08:15.159 --> 01:08:18.640
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more. So right now I'm shooting for

1370
01:08:18.680 --> 01:08:21.199
<v Speaker 2>every one of the modules in the like fully baked,

1371
01:08:21.680 --> 01:08:25.399
<v Speaker 2>you know, mounting hardware, everything ready to go out the door,

1372
01:08:25.840 --> 01:08:30.720
<v Speaker 2>probably somewhere in the two hundred dollars price range per module. Okay,

1373
01:08:31.159 --> 01:08:33.199
<v Speaker 2>So what that means is is if you wanted the

1374
01:08:33.199 --> 01:08:38.560
<v Speaker 2>most basic configuration, you'd get the Pie module and let's

1375
01:08:38.600 --> 01:08:41.000
<v Speaker 2>say the gpio or the COAC switch module. So it's

1376
01:08:41.039 --> 01:08:45.119
<v Speaker 2>like four hundred bucks to start and two hundred bucks

1377
01:08:45.159 --> 01:08:47.760
<v Speaker 2>to increment up every additional module, or if you want

1378
01:08:47.760 --> 01:08:50.479
<v Speaker 2>to you know, do it, diy a bunch yourself and

1379
01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:53.039
<v Speaker 2>you know BYO raspberry pie and all that sort of thing,

1380
01:08:53.359 --> 01:08:56.840
<v Speaker 2>then maybe starting around three hundred. So that's kind of

1381
01:08:56.840 --> 01:08:58.640
<v Speaker 2>the price range that that I'm looking at.

1382
01:08:59.039 --> 01:09:02.079
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's fair for all it for all it does,

1383
01:09:02.159 --> 01:09:03.439
<v Speaker 1>that's pretty good, I think so.

1384
01:09:03.760 --> 01:09:06.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean the thing the challenge here in doing

1385
01:09:06.840 --> 01:09:08.920
<v Speaker 2>a ham radio business is like, if you built this

1386
01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:11.920
<v Speaker 2>thing and sold it to the commercial world, you'd charge

1387
01:09:11.920 --> 01:09:14.680
<v Speaker 2>more than twice the price or something. Yes, yeah, but

1388
01:09:14.840 --> 01:09:17.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, we're all Hams, and we're all cheap and

1389
01:09:17.680 --> 01:09:19.560
<v Speaker 2>and you know we want the good thing, but we

1390
01:09:19.600 --> 01:09:21.720
<v Speaker 2>don't want to pay any money for it. So you know,

1391
01:09:21.800 --> 01:09:25.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm sort of riding that fine line between you know,

1392
01:09:26.720 --> 01:09:31.039
<v Speaker 2>this being financially successful and just a pain in the neck.

1393
01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:37.279
<v Speaker 1>Sure, yeah, totally cool. Has anyone ever mentioned adding a

1394
01:09:37.399 --> 01:09:40.479
<v Speaker 1>camera to it so that you can remotely monitor your hamshack?

1395
01:09:41.560 --> 01:09:44.920
<v Speaker 2>No, that's never come up. You certainly could do that.

1396
01:09:46.399 --> 01:09:48.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know a lot of remote guys who

1397
01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:48.640
<v Speaker 2>do do that.

1398
01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:51.079
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's not an uncomping I yeah, I know,

1399
01:09:51.199 --> 01:09:53.680
<v Speaker 1>I know a couple of remote guys that have just

1400
01:09:53.800 --> 01:09:56.640
<v Speaker 1>like you know, I mean, they have temperture sensors like

1401
01:09:56.720 --> 01:10:00.079
<v Speaker 1>I know one guy who has a house in the

1402
01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:03.880
<v Speaker 1>mountains in Colorado eleven hundred feet above sea level. I

1403
01:10:03.880 --> 01:10:07.479
<v Speaker 1>want to know eleven eleven thousand feet above sea level,

1404
01:10:07.520 --> 01:10:10.680
<v Speaker 1>I think, And and he has a tower out there,

1405
01:10:10.720 --> 01:10:12.800
<v Speaker 1>and he's got it. He's got the tower set up

1406
01:10:12.840 --> 01:10:15.560
<v Speaker 1>for to become a one hundred and sixty meters vertical antenna.

1407
01:10:15.640 --> 01:10:18.039
<v Speaker 1>But he's got a I think a step ir on

1408
01:10:18.079 --> 01:10:22.600
<v Speaker 1>top of it. But he's got the total remote control

1409
01:10:22.640 --> 01:10:24.319
<v Speaker 1>system set up, and I think he just pieced it

1410
01:10:24.359 --> 01:10:30.680
<v Speaker 1>all together himself. He runs flex mostly and and he

1411
01:10:30.680 --> 01:10:32.159
<v Speaker 1>he was talking. He was like, man, I sure would

1412
01:10:32.199 --> 01:10:33.760
<v Speaker 1>like to see what's going on, but the most important

1413
01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:35.479
<v Speaker 1>thing that being in the mountains of Colorado. He wants

1414
01:10:35.479 --> 01:10:37.319
<v Speaker 1>a temperature sensor. He's like, I don't want it to

1415
01:10:37.319 --> 01:10:39.479
<v Speaker 1>get too cold, you know, if the heater stops working

1416
01:10:39.560 --> 01:10:42.159
<v Speaker 1>or whatever. So temperature sensor is really important. But it

1417
01:10:42.520 --> 01:10:44.279
<v Speaker 1>is nice. It would be nice to be able to

1418
01:10:44.279 --> 01:10:46.960
<v Speaker 1>see your hamshack from you know.

1419
01:10:47.479 --> 01:10:49.319
<v Speaker 2>So there's two reasons human you kind of want to

1420
01:10:49.359 --> 01:10:51.960
<v Speaker 2>use a camera that I've seen this is an industrial

1421
01:10:52.359 --> 01:10:55.119
<v Speaker 2>kind of IoT applications. I've seen this done a lot

1422
01:10:55.159 --> 01:10:57.119
<v Speaker 2>where people put cameras up to look at their equipment.

1423
01:10:57.199 --> 01:10:58.800
<v Speaker 2>They do it for two reasons. One is they want

1424
01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:01.720
<v Speaker 2>to see the equipment to see if it's like physically intact. Right.

1425
01:11:01.760 --> 01:11:03.960
<v Speaker 2>So there's that mechanical side of it. I get that,

1426
01:11:04.000 --> 01:11:06.520
<v Speaker 2>and that's that's a thing. But a lot of times

1427
01:11:06.520 --> 01:11:09.119
<v Speaker 2>I've seen people have like a panel of meters and

1428
01:11:09.159 --> 01:11:14.760
<v Speaker 2>a camera looking at the meters. I'm replacing that. True, So,

1429
01:11:15.119 --> 01:11:18.119
<v Speaker 2>and it's much more useful than having a camera. So,

1430
01:11:18.520 --> 01:11:20.720
<v Speaker 2>and the reason is, first of all, it takes less data, right,

1431
01:11:20.760 --> 01:11:24.680
<v Speaker 2>you can actually you could, by the way, let's say

1432
01:11:24.680 --> 01:11:27.119
<v Speaker 2>you have a repeater site or a remote radio site

1433
01:11:27.119 --> 01:11:29.159
<v Speaker 2>where you have no Internet, which is kind of hard

1434
01:11:29.199 --> 01:11:30.760
<v Speaker 2>to do with a like a flex, but let's say

1435
01:11:30.800 --> 01:11:33.279
<v Speaker 2>it's a repeater you got no internet. You could put

1436
01:11:33.319 --> 01:11:36.560
<v Speaker 2>a like a twenty year old packet TNC on a

1437
01:11:36.600 --> 01:11:39.319
<v Speaker 2>two meter repeater at the repeater site and run all

1438
01:11:39.359 --> 01:11:42.039
<v Speaker 2>of the data that goes from the Raspberry Pie to

1439
01:11:42.159 --> 01:11:45.159
<v Speaker 2>the remote site over a low bandwidth data link. It'll

1440
01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:48.359
<v Speaker 2>work fine. Yeah, So you can actually monitor and control

1441
01:11:48.479 --> 01:11:53.079
<v Speaker 2>stuff remotely using a Laura radio, using a DNC or whatever.

1442
01:11:54.800 --> 01:11:58.680
<v Speaker 2>So you know, there is that aspect of it as well.

1443
01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:02.479
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's just something I thought of when you were

1444
01:12:02.479 --> 01:12:04.119
<v Speaker 1>talking about all the stuff that could be added to it.

1445
01:12:04.159 --> 01:12:06.239
<v Speaker 2>So, by the way, one thing we didn't really talk

1446
01:12:06.239 --> 01:12:10.920
<v Speaker 2>about is automation. Okay, so so far, what we've really

1447
01:12:10.960 --> 01:12:13.119
<v Speaker 2>looked at is kind of the core capability, which is

1448
01:12:13.720 --> 01:12:16.119
<v Speaker 2>I want to have a dashboard that shows me what's

1449
01:12:16.119 --> 01:12:19.680
<v Speaker 2>going on, and that's great, and you know, if you

1450
01:12:19.680 --> 01:12:21.840
<v Speaker 2>want to go control something that's appropriate, or if you

1451
01:12:21.880 --> 01:12:23.439
<v Speaker 2>want to just take a glance at what's going on,

1452
01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:26.880
<v Speaker 2>that's fine. In the case let's say your your your

1453
01:12:26.880 --> 01:12:29.319
<v Speaker 2>friend's case up in the mountains where he wants to

1454
01:12:29.319 --> 01:12:31.359
<v Speaker 2>know when it's too cold. Well, you can keep looking

1455
01:12:31.359 --> 01:12:33.880
<v Speaker 2>at the dashboard every three minutes, or you could add

1456
01:12:33.880 --> 01:12:35.840
<v Speaker 2>some automation and node red. So this is really where

1457
01:12:35.880 --> 01:12:39.760
<v Speaker 2>node red is super powerful. So you could enhance the

1458
01:12:39.800 --> 01:12:44.119
<v Speaker 2>flow that I provide by stitching a few things together. So,

1459
01:12:44.199 --> 01:12:48.760
<v Speaker 2>for instance, it's very easy to do something like I

1460
01:12:49.760 --> 01:12:53.079
<v Speaker 2>scrape the data from the modules every thirty seconds, so

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01:12:53.119 --> 01:12:56.319
<v Speaker 2>you'll get the temperature every thirty seconds. Now all I'm

1462
01:12:56.359 --> 01:12:59.399
<v Speaker 2>doing is displaying that on the gauge. You could add

1463
01:12:59.439 --> 01:13:03.319
<v Speaker 2>a little couple of objects to that flow and you

1464
01:13:03.359 --> 01:13:07.520
<v Speaker 2>can say, okay, if the temperature is below X, then

1465
01:13:07.880 --> 01:13:10.560
<v Speaker 2>do something. So if the temperatures below X, turn on

1466
01:13:10.640 --> 01:13:12.960
<v Speaker 2>the heater, or if the temperatures below X, send me

1467
01:13:13.000 --> 01:13:17.680
<v Speaker 2>a text message. If the temperatures below X, then you know,

1468
01:13:17.920 --> 01:13:22.319
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, do something. So it's very easy to

1469
01:13:22.399 --> 01:13:25.560
<v Speaker 2>start to connect these things together to really automate stuff.

1470
01:13:25.920 --> 01:13:30.399
<v Speaker 2>So like another an example, I have a user right

1471
01:13:30.439 --> 01:13:32.920
<v Speaker 2>now who has a repeater site and they have a

1472
01:13:32.920 --> 01:13:36.800
<v Speaker 2>power amplifier on the repeater and it's like a it's

1473
01:13:36.840 --> 01:13:42.760
<v Speaker 2>like a two hundred something want Motorola quantar or whatever thing.

1474
01:13:43.279 --> 01:13:45.439
<v Speaker 2>What they want to do is they want to be

1475
01:13:45.479 --> 01:13:49.479
<v Speaker 2>able to take the amplifier out of the circuit and

1476
01:13:49.840 --> 01:13:53.720
<v Speaker 2>run low power if the amplifier fails. So what they're

1477
01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:55.960
<v Speaker 2>doing is putting co X which is on either side

1478
01:13:55.960 --> 01:13:59.479
<v Speaker 2>of the amplifier and the WANT meter, and if the

1479
01:13:59.680 --> 01:14:03.319
<v Speaker 2>reflect power ever it gets above a certain amount, they'll

1480
01:14:03.319 --> 01:14:05.560
<v Speaker 2>take the power amplifier out of the circuit and just

1481
01:14:05.640 --> 01:14:10.239
<v Speaker 2>run straight through and then send a text message to say,

1482
01:14:10.279 --> 01:14:14.399
<v Speaker 2>you know, hey, that the reflective power is too high.

1483
01:14:14.640 --> 01:14:16.760
<v Speaker 2>We've just taken the PA out of the circuit. Or

1484
01:14:16.960 --> 01:14:19.279
<v Speaker 2>you could you could imagine you could do the same thing.

1485
01:14:19.359 --> 01:14:22.760
<v Speaker 2>Let's say AC power fails, you're on battery backup. You're

1486
01:14:22.760 --> 01:14:25.720
<v Speaker 2>on battery backup. Turn down the power or disable the

1487
01:14:26.079 --> 01:14:28.560
<v Speaker 2>PA or you know whatever steps you would take to

1488
01:14:28.720 --> 01:14:31.840
<v Speaker 2>switch to the low power operational mode, and all that

1489
01:14:31.880 --> 01:14:34.279
<v Speaker 2>stuff could be done automatically with in like you know,

1490
01:14:34.319 --> 01:14:35.439
<v Speaker 2>five minutes with no dread.

1491
01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:41.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's a good idea. Hmm. Yeah. I

1492
01:14:41.720 --> 01:14:44.399
<v Speaker 1>think this is a great project. It's I didn't quite

1493
01:14:44.479 --> 01:14:47.399
<v Speaker 1>understand what the purpose was when you first emailed me,

1494
01:14:47.479 --> 01:14:50.760
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, because you you had mentioned repeater controller.

1495
01:14:50.800 --> 01:14:53.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, okay, yeah, that that's that's fine. I don't

1496
01:14:53.039 --> 01:14:54.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't own a repeater side. But now that I

1497
01:14:54.800 --> 01:14:57.319
<v Speaker 1>see this capability here in the remote ham shack, that's

1498
01:14:57.600 --> 01:14:59.760
<v Speaker 1>this is a really neat tool, I think. I think

1499
01:14:59.800 --> 01:15:01.520
<v Speaker 1>there there's a lot of room for expansion, a lot

1500
01:15:01.560 --> 01:15:04.439
<v Speaker 1>of room for adding new things to it, to see

1501
01:15:04.439 --> 01:15:06.079
<v Speaker 1>what people want to do. So I think this is

1502
01:15:06.119 --> 01:15:08.039
<v Speaker 1>a great project. George. I appreciate your time today.

1503
01:15:08.119 --> 01:15:10.760
<v Speaker 2>Sure I got one little, one little other side application

1504
01:15:10.800 --> 01:15:11.560
<v Speaker 2>I could touch, sure of.

1505
01:15:12.039 --> 01:15:12.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1506
01:15:12.279 --> 01:15:14.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so here's one other thing. Do you have a

1507
01:15:14.560 --> 01:15:15.119
<v Speaker 2>stream deck?

1508
01:15:16.279 --> 01:15:17.079
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

1509
01:15:17.239 --> 01:15:17.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, now you know.

1510
01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:20.840
<v Speaker 1>I act Yeah, yeah, I had I ran the software

1511
01:15:20.920 --> 01:15:22.920
<v Speaker 1>version on an Android tablet for a while now it

1512
01:15:22.960 --> 01:15:26.039
<v Speaker 1>worked fine, but yeah, I've never never purchased the actual hardware.

1513
01:15:26.439 --> 01:15:28.319
<v Speaker 2>So in my shack, I have one of the antenna

1514
01:15:28.319 --> 01:15:31.000
<v Speaker 2>switches in the shack, and I have a stream deck.

1515
01:15:31.039 --> 01:15:32.880
<v Speaker 2>So for those people who don't know, stream deck is

1516
01:15:32.880 --> 01:15:35.399
<v Speaker 2>a little box with buttons on it, and it's normally

1517
01:15:35.520 --> 01:15:39.920
<v Speaker 2>used to run programs like OBS or b whatever. But

1518
01:15:41.199 --> 01:15:42.640
<v Speaker 2>what I wanted to do is I want to do

1519
01:15:42.680 --> 01:15:45.319
<v Speaker 2>all my antenna switching either through the web page or

1520
01:15:45.359 --> 01:15:48.199
<v Speaker 2>through the push buttons. And so I wrote a little

1521
01:15:48.319 --> 01:15:50.560
<v Speaker 2>utility that runs on Windows and so you press a

1522
01:15:50.600 --> 01:15:54.239
<v Speaker 2>button and the utility translates that button press into the

1523
01:15:54.239 --> 01:15:58.039
<v Speaker 2>command that will switch their antenta relay so on. You know,

1524
01:15:58.119 --> 01:15:59.560
<v Speaker 2>right in front of me in the shack, I have

1525
01:15:59.880 --> 01:16:02.119
<v Speaker 2>the stream deck, and each stream deck button has a

1526
01:16:02.119 --> 01:16:04.640
<v Speaker 2>picture of the antenna or actually the radio. I have

1527
01:16:04.680 --> 01:16:07.199
<v Speaker 2>one in that case, I have won antenna and four radios.

1528
01:16:07.399 --> 01:16:10.159
<v Speaker 2>So I've got a little flex icon, a little allocraft icon,

1529
01:16:10.239 --> 01:16:13.720
<v Speaker 2>a little icon icon, and then auxiliary and so I

1530
01:16:13.800 --> 01:16:16.039
<v Speaker 2>just I pressed the mechanical button. I don't look at

1531
01:16:16.039 --> 01:16:19.159
<v Speaker 2>the web page for this, I just pressed the mechanical button.

1532
01:16:19.239 --> 01:16:22.039
<v Speaker 2>On the you know, on the stream deck, and it

1533
01:16:22.079 --> 01:16:25.359
<v Speaker 2>sends the command to the network to switch the antenna. Really,

1534
01:16:25.520 --> 01:16:28.760
<v Speaker 2>so there's there's all kinds of ways you could use

1535
01:16:28.800 --> 01:16:29.239
<v Speaker 2>this stuff.

1536
01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:34.079
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, definitely, that's that's fun. I've heard of

1537
01:16:34.079 --> 01:16:36.960
<v Speaker 1>people interfacing stream decks directly with their flex radio before

1538
01:16:36.960 --> 01:16:39.720
<v Speaker 1>to change stuff. Yeah, so yeah, that's that's not a

1539
01:16:39.760 --> 01:16:42.159
<v Speaker 1>new thing, but yeah, that's that's great. That will interface

1540
01:16:42.199 --> 01:16:45.199
<v Speaker 1>with that as well. So cool man. Well, can't wait

1541
01:16:45.199 --> 01:16:47.960
<v Speaker 1>to see how it progresses. And uh what what new

1542
01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:50.319
<v Speaker 1>things people come up with? And are you going to

1543
01:16:50.520 --> 01:16:53.479
<v Speaker 1>You said you're going to hamvention? What about hammcash any any.

1544
01:16:53.439 --> 01:16:56.479
<v Speaker 2>No, No, no plans to go there. Uh okay, but

1545
01:16:56.680 --> 01:16:58.840
<v Speaker 2>so ham Mention will be the first place where I'm

1546
01:16:58.840 --> 01:16:59.680
<v Speaker 2>going to show it off.

1547
01:17:00.079 --> 01:17:03.079
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, sounds good. Well, thanks for your time today, George.

1548
01:17:03.119 --> 01:17:05.479
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it, and we're gonna follow this along as

1549
01:17:05.479 --> 01:17:07.399
<v Speaker 1>it goes. We'll get together again in a few months

1550
01:17:07.399 --> 01:17:08.479
<v Speaker 1>and see how you're doing with it.

1551
01:17:08.640 --> 01:17:10.119
<v Speaker 2>Thanks a lot, Jason, really appreciate it.

1552
01:17:10.319 --> 01:17:11.039
<v Speaker 1>Yep, thank you.

1553
01:17:11.359 --> 01:17:12.760
<v Speaker 3>Seventy three seventy three