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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's are hello, and welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the Cult of Conspiracy and my name is

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<v Speaker 2>Jacob Hi Raving, and today we are going to be

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<v Speaker 2>diving into one of the more famous troupes to ever

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<v Speaker 2>grace the screen slash stage, slash your favorite literary textbook. Today,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to be talking about Faust and in a

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<v Speaker 2>more short term way, and then talking more about certain

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<v Speaker 2>celebrities and academic types and musician types and all of

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<v Speaker 2>these that have made deals with the devil for their

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<v Speaker 2>immortal soul in exchange for wealth, power, success, knowledge, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>the case would be. We have a long list of

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<v Speaker 2>individuals that we're going to be going over here today.

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<v Speaker 2>But Raven Lee, have you heard of Faust before you

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<v Speaker 2>and I started doing research on this?

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<v Speaker 1>No? Really, I actually haven't you.

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<v Speaker 2>Being the avid reader, I figured that maybe you would

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<v Speaker 2>have picked up the book at some.

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<v Speaker 1>Point I have heard, Like I didn't really remember. Like

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<v Speaker 1>once you started kind of telling me about it, I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, Okay, now I kind of know, but I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't actually like read it before at all. I knew

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<v Speaker 1>I know more of like the more modern stuff when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to this, then the you know, later years

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So if I was to say the name Mesostopheles, does

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<v Speaker 2>that do anything for you?

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<v Speaker 1>That was? Is that a composer? That's the devil? The devil?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh in the in the book, No, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>you're fine. Some people recognize the term, some people don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I do not.

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<v Speaker 2>So in Faust, long story short, and we're gonna read

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<v Speaker 2>the synopsis of the play from the f I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>Mistaken the Manchester Opera House. There has been movies composed

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<v Speaker 2>of this, there has been plays, there has been operas,

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<v Speaker 2>but it all is based off of a book named Faust.

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<v Speaker 2>And long story short, this guy who is he's a genius.

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<v Speaker 2>He has devoted his life to learning everything that there

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<v Speaker 2>is to learn on earth, of all of the humanly knowledge,

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<v Speaker 2>right of all things. And it gets to a point

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<v Speaker 2>where he decides, you know, there's nothing left to learn here,

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm just gonna go and nead and end it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm gonna go hit that self delete button

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<v Speaker 2>because there's just nothing left to learn, and that's all

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<v Speaker 2>my life is consistent of, So just fuck it.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to live forever because I don't think like

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<v Speaker 1>you can take ten lifetimes and you still wouldn't learn everything.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy allegedly decided that he had learned enough, so

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<v Speaker 2>he decides to drink some poison and as he drank

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<v Speaker 2>the poison, he heard church bells and he realized it

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<v Speaker 2>was Easter Sunday, which actually ended up saving his life.

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<v Speaker 2>Cut to the next day, he's talking with a homeboy

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<v Speaker 2>of his and he's like, look, I'm just I'm over it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna jump to my death, Like I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what the hell is going on here, but I'm done

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<v Speaker 2>unless God or Satan can give me something that I

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<v Speaker 2>don't already have, Like, I'm just done here, and so

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<v Speaker 2>something answers him. Mesostopheles, this demonic figure we could call

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<v Speaker 2>him an imp for lack of better words. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>actually Satan himself, one of his minions. If you will

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<v Speaker 2>decides hey, brother, I got you on that. Here's the

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<v Speaker 2>trade off. You sell me your mortal soul and for

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<v Speaker 2>the next twenty four years I will give you wealth, power, success,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever woman you set your heart on, Like, I got

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<v Speaker 2>you on this. But when that time comes and I

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<v Speaker 2>come to collect, You're just gonna come quietly and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just gonna bring you to hell for all attorney pretty

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<v Speaker 2>solid trade off though.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, twenty four years, that's all you get? What well,

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, why would you like, no, dog, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>be like, all right, twenty five hundred years, let's do that.

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<v Speaker 2>So we no, no, no, maybe the whole living foreverything,

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<v Speaker 2>that's just not a possibility. Right as far as the

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<v Speaker 2>literature during the Middle Ages of Renaissance goes, that was

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<v Speaker 2>only for vampires and they don't have to make a

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<v Speaker 2>deal with the devil. They already did so according to them,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, ecy four years, so he was sixty or

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<v Speaker 2>around that time frame. Whenever Mesostophiles first introduced himself.

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<v Speaker 1>To him, he's like, look, you get eighty, you get

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<v Speaker 1>to eighty four, Ye're done. Look that is a solid gap.

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<v Speaker 2>Eighty four in the fourteen hundreds, Like brother, you grand

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<v Speaker 2>old man of your village at that point, like for.

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<v Speaker 1>Real it is. Think now you've be working at eighty

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<v Speaker 1>four and he's over here, like eighty woman.

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<v Speaker 2>You want caveat Within those twenty four years, he jumps

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<v Speaker 2>back in age thirty years. So although he's a sixty

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<v Speaker 2>year old man, he gets the look of a thirty

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<v Speaker 2>year old again and the.

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<v Speaker 1>Vitality, Oh wow, good for him.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's wild. It's wild, and y'all, if you've never

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<v Speaker 2>read the book, I've.

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<v Speaker 1>Never heard the like I've heard of some of it,

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<v Speaker 1>but not.

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<v Speaker 2>It is wild, and the synopsis is not going to

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<v Speaker 2>do it justice. This dude ends up banging Helen of Troy, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>that Helen of Troy. It's a whole fucking thing. He

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<v Speaker 2>ends up killing Paris. It be like what it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>so wild, it's so wild. Basically, long story short, every

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<v Speaker 2>step of the way where he thinks he's about to

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<v Speaker 2>get ahead, right, He's about to do some wild things

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<v Speaker 2>and everything's gonna be better for him. Come to find out,

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<v Speaker 2>the devil's got his hooks and I'm so deep to

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<v Speaker 2>where you've ever seen a bewit be dazzled with Brendan Fraser. Yes, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>That movie was another trope of the Faustian deal if

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<v Speaker 2>you will, Oh okay, So every time you make a

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<v Speaker 2>deal and you're like boom, I am the guy by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, you're about to get fucked over in a

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<v Speaker 2>whole other way you didn't see coming.

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<v Speaker 1>What is with everyone in Helen and Troy? Like straight up?

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<v Speaker 2>Because apparently this was the face that launched a thousand ships.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently this chick was so hot and her shit was

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<v Speaker 2>lined in gold, had to have been to the point

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<v Speaker 2>to where this dude. Keep in mind, she was married

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<v Speaker 2>to the King of Sparta, like the whole thing. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not like she was married to some scrub. She was

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<v Speaker 2>married to the actual king of one of the most

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<v Speaker 2>prolific warring nations to ever grease the face of the earth.

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<v Speaker 2>And he decides, to know what, I'm gonna shoot my

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<v Speaker 2>shot for that Paris fucking second in line to the throne.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a full on nepo baby, I'm never gonna assume

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<v Speaker 2>the throne in any way, shape or form. I just

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<v Speaker 2>get to go bang out all these horrors anytime I want.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go ahead and sh shoot my shot for

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<v Speaker 2>the Queen of the war lords. And so we did,

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<v Speaker 2>and she thought that was like a really good idea,

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<v Speaker 2>ran away with him, and now we got the whole

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<v Speaker 2>Trojan war that happens as a result of it. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't understand what was so good about her, although they

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<v Speaker 2>do say that Spartan women were the most gorgeous ever

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<v Speaker 2>period ever, but that's because of the crazy eugenics they

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<v Speaker 2>used to do.

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<v Speaker 1>M I would love to have seen what she actually

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<v Speaker 1>looked like, like real shit look like. I mean maybe

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<v Speaker 1>old boy King of Sparta's you know, was not great

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<v Speaker 1>in a lot of ways, and maybe she was just

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<v Speaker 1>like you know what, I'm sick of your shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I mean, I guarantee he wasn't exactly the

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<v Speaker 2>kindest husband to her. The Spartan men weren't known for

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<v Speaker 2>being like super sweet and loving to their wives. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you know how they took wives mm hmm. You had

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<v Speaker 2>to successfully force yourself upon her and then if you succeeded,

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<v Speaker 2>this is clearly your wife now. So like I guarantee

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<v Speaker 2>there was some animosity.

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<v Speaker 1>But a little bit hatred, you know, I don't blame

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<v Speaker 1>her for being like Baye.

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<v Speaker 2>But also Spartan women held a lot of power because

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<v Speaker 2>of inheritance laws. Yeah, so men would die in battle,

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<v Speaker 2>so usually women would get the inheritance. So you had

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<v Speaker 2>a mafia, let's just call it a cartel of women

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<v Speaker 2>who actually were running Sparta.

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<v Speaker 1>Through and why it fell. That's it's true.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that is a true statement, but that's also a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of an oversimplification because fell into disrepair for like

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<v Speaker 2>two centuries.

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<v Speaker 1>It is totally a simplification of it, and that in

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<v Speaker 1>the way that they were overranmed by their slave population.

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<v Speaker 1>But I will say that they had an opportunity to

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<v Speaker 1>stand up and take arms and do things, and they

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<v Speaker 1>were just like, nah, I mean, we want to be

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<v Speaker 1>like the Greek women.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, their slave population out numbered them seven to one. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like I mean, yeah, you know, that's why they launched

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<v Speaker 2>their war every year with Okay, but at the point,

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<v Speaker 2>off topic. So anyway, cut to Faust, right, who, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>later on in the play slash book, he ends up

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<v Speaker 2>betting and taking Helen for himself, but then she decides

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<v Speaker 2>to go to the underworld rather than be with him.

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<v Speaker 1>It's wild, yeah, because.

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<v Speaker 2>That's there's but that's a part of the deal with

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<v Speaker 2>the devil, right. It wasn't like she lost favor with him.

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<v Speaker 2>He did something to betray her, and it's because he

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<v Speaker 2>made himself look like Paris. Oh, he like shape shifted

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<v Speaker 2>into Paris to bet her. It's yeah, So anyway, anyway, anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna read the synopsis of Faust, and then we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna talk about the actual guy, because Faust isn't just

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<v Speaker 2>a fictitious character. Johann George Faust is an actual alchemist

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<v Speaker 2>and polymath that existed in Germany during the timeframe that

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<v Speaker 2>this book was written. The whereabouts of his death are

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<v Speaker 2>also extremely interesting because he allegedly died from an explosion,

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<v Speaker 2>but when they found his body it was torn to shreds,

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<v Speaker 2>not burned, not exploded, ripped apart hell hounds, cud and

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the people that found his body believed

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<v Speaker 2>that the devil had come to collect his due.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, but hell hounds are sent out to collect the dues.

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<v Speaker 1>See I didn't You don't know about that.

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<v Speaker 2>So the hell hounds that I know of are from

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<v Speaker 2>playing Nazi zombies and every fifth level is the hell

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<v Speaker 2>hounds level, So I don't know. No.

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<v Speaker 1>So a good example is Supernatural has a great, like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, show about hell hounds are sent out to

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<v Speaker 1>collect the dues. There's actually like a whole thing about

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<v Speaker 1>that is how they get sent out. Instead of like,

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<v Speaker 1>no one's gonna be bothered, They're just gonna go send

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<v Speaker 1>the hounds out. And you hear the hounds first, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you know you're fucked, like they're coming for

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<v Speaker 1>your soul and then they you know, rip you apart

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<v Speaker 1>and they take your soul.

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<v Speaker 2>That would explain why in the game, whenever the hell

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<v Speaker 2>Hounds come, you hear the demon voice saying, fetch me

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<v Speaker 2>their souls.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes perfect day they come to collect the souls

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<v Speaker 1>because they're the lackeys.

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<v Speaker 2>Shouts out to Supernatural for getting so many things spot on.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I understand, it was just a TV and it

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<v Speaker 2>was all that. Every time they go up about a

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<v Speaker 2>Greek god, Nordic god, im, a nim for whatever the

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<v Speaker 2>case is, they do their fucking homework.

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<v Speaker 1>They did their homework on a lot of things. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a good representation of that specific thing. And also the

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<v Speaker 1>Crossroads stuff too, which we will get to you later.

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<v Speaker 2>to the articles and all the things. So let's start

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<v Speaker 2>off with the Metropolitan Opera. And this is a quick

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<v Speaker 2>synopus synopsis rather of Faust. Again, it's based off of

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<v Speaker 2>alleged reality. We shall see where it goes. Let's start

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<v Speaker 2>off here Act one. Faust has spent a lifetime in

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<v Speaker 2>the study of science. Disillusioned with life, he resolves to

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<v Speaker 2>Mephistophiles obligingly appears and offers faust Riches, power or glory. Faust, however,

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<v Speaker 2>only wants to recapture the innocence of youth. Mesostopheles agrees

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<v Speaker 2>to Faust's request, but there are conditions. On Earth, Faust

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<v Speaker 2>will be reversed. Basically, the demon says that fine, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>when the time comes, you will serve me, and hell,

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<v Speaker 1>For all of eternity. How is that even a fair trade? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>why would you even assume that this would be a

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the guy was already suicidal, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not he ain't and to lose, he's just like sure,

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<v Speaker 1>But that was the other thing too.

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<v Speaker 2>If the demon could not hold up his end of

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<v Speaker 2>the bargain, then the deal was off. And a portion

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<v Speaker 2>of this was he wanted to recapture the innocence of youth,

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<v Speaker 2>but also he wanted to achieve true intellectual enlightenment.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't say enlightenment how to be not spiritual? No, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I meant intellectual yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>He wanted to have some sort of an epiphany that

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<v Speaker 2>was unmatched and would be rivaled by all of humanity

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<v Speaker 2>for the rest of eternity. And if the demon could

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<v Speaker 2>not provide that for him, the deal was off. So

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<v Speaker 2>the devil says, Okay, no problem, homie, let me just

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<v Speaker 2>get a little contract going on real quick. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is where the expression of signing your name in blood

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<v Speaker 2>comes from. If you've ever seen any of these movies

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<v Speaker 2>where you're making a deal with the devil or selling

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<v Speaker 2>for your soul or whatever the case.

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<v Speaker 1>He out of nowhere pulls.

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<v Speaker 2>Up this really nice parchment scroll like contract and you

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<v Speaker 2>have to prick your finger and sign your name in blood.

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<v Speaker 2>This comes from Faust, really, and as a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 2>it's interesting when he first signs the contract his blood

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<v Speaker 2>coagulates rather than soaks into the paper. It's even more

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<v Speaker 2>of a play of his body saying like homeboy, stop,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you doing? Even at a cellular level, his

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<v Speaker 2>body did not want to do this. After some more

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<v Speaker 2>finger pricking and cutting of his hand, he got some

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<v Speaker 2>fresh blood and was able to sign his name on

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<v Speaker 2>the dotted line.

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<v Speaker 1>That's crazy, I didn't know that came from this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's wild. There are so many tropes that come

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<v Speaker 2>off of this play or this book. I should say

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<v Speaker 2>so continue. It says, when Faust hesitates, Mephistopheles conjures up

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<v Speaker 2>a vision of Marguerite. Marguerite is the love interest that

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<v Speaker 2>is the deciding factor for Foulest to be like, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what it's worth it? Yeah, screw the enlightenment, the

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<v Speaker 2>knowledge that piece right there, that's what's worth selling my

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<v Speaker 2>immortal soul for. So he does it. Them Germans be doing.

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<v Speaker 1>The mostest shocker. A man's gonna sell his whole school

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<v Speaker 1>for a woman.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've seen many of men, many men ruin their

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<v Speaker 2>life for something they found on the streets. I'na be

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<v Speaker 2>very honest with you, on the streets, in them streets,

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<v Speaker 2>because she belonged to the streets, and they should have

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<v Speaker 2>left her where they found her. But no, no, Now,

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, you got married to her, you

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<v Speaker 2>had kids with her, She runs off with your kids

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<v Speaker 2>and takes your entire enlistment bonus, and you come back

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<v Speaker 2>from deployment and your bank account's emptied, and now she's

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<v Speaker 2>fucking claiming that you assaulted her when you were across

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<v Speaker 2>the ocean and shit. So you're facing prison charges for

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<v Speaker 2>shit you didn't even fucking do. Then you got her

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<v Speaker 2>new husband calling you up saying, hey, homie, where's that

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<v Speaker 2>child support? I got a fucking truck payment that's due.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I've seen it. Oh, I've seen it way too

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<v Speaker 2>many times.

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<v Speaker 1>You've filmed some type of boy on that one. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just saying, to be fair, there has been quite a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of things you tell me you don't happen. I

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<v Speaker 1>will say that men tend to think with their dicks.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know.

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<v Speaker 1>That post, that clarity is a vibe that's show that

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<v Speaker 1>men definitely need to per take in.

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<v Speaker 2>Boys, boys, if you're listening right now, wrap it up too,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, wrap it up for one and for two. Listen, Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>don't go into the situation with around in the chamber.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. That has definitely happened to a lot of marines,

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<v Speaker 1>so many, so many, and and.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying this from a place of love, gentlemen. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I get it. But also if you go in without

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<v Speaker 2>around in the chamber, you are far more likely to

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<v Speaker 2>make a conscious decision rather than an impulsive one. That's

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<v Speaker 2>not a one hundred percent rule. Saying it gets you

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<v Speaker 2>the best likely scenario for yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyways, back to this girls, Marguerite, so.

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<v Speaker 2>He shows her or he the demon shows Faust a

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<v Speaker 2>vision of Marguerite, and Faust is like, yep, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>We sign on the.

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<v Speaker 2>Contract and returns to his youth, although again he's still

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<v Speaker 2>in his upper years of things, but his body basically

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<v Speaker 2>is thirty years younger looking. Think hocus Pocus when the

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<v Speaker 2>witch is sucked in the life force of that one girl.

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<v Speaker 2>They weren't children by it means, but they were now

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<v Speaker 2>of the cougar variety rather than the old spencer lady variety.

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<v Speaker 2>If you get my vibe, Yeah, yeah, I get it

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<v Speaker 2>all right. So Act two, Valentine and Wagner are going

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<v Speaker 2>off to war with other soldiers, and Valentine is concerned

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<v Speaker 2>about leaving his sister Marguerite unprotected. Wagner starts a song

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<v Speaker 2>to cheer everyone up, although it's German, so I think

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<v Speaker 2>he'd probably be pronounced Wagner, but bear with me, but

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<v Speaker 2>is interrupted by Mephistopheles. Mefistopheles tells Fortunes Wagner, it seems,

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<v Speaker 2>will be killed in his first battle. The flowers that

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<v Speaker 2>Sebiuel picks will wither and Valentine will meet his death

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<v Speaker 2>at the hands of someone close to Mefistopheles. The demon

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<v Speaker 2>comes up to this group of soldiers and just starts

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<v Speaker 2>spitting bars for no reason.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool, that's kind of awkward. You'd be like, sure, random

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<v Speaker 1>person spirit thing yep, okay, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Dissatisfied with the wine on offer, Mefistopheles conjures up a

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<v Speaker 2>better vintage to toast Marguerite. This angers Valentine. He might

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<v Speaker 2>sugi bitch too. Yeah, demons be.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that wine wine level, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So Valentine, who is this soldier and apparently this wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>his first battle. He was actually a pretty decorated warrior

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<v Speaker 2>his sister Marguerite. The demon just toasts to his sister

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<v Speaker 2>and this angers Valentine and both draw their swords. Valentine

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<v Speaker 2>strikes out and his blade shatters because he's trying to

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<v Speaker 2>slap a demon with a sword. You'll have that on

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<v Speaker 2>those jobs. Everyone is convinced they're in the presence of

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<v Speaker 2>the devil. Mephistopheles leads Faust to a place where couples

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<v Speaker 2>are dancing. Faust sees Marguerite and offers her his arm.

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<v Speaker 2>She refuses, but so charmingly that he has left more

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<v Speaker 2>entrance than before.

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<v Speaker 1>Gotta leave him one and more. God playing hard to

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<v Speaker 1>get here goes the chase because you know, she said no,

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<v Speaker 1>but like I didn't hear it, so I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>keep going.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a thing. So sea Bell gathers flowers for

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<v Speaker 2>Marguerite outside her house. As Memphistopheles predicted, they wither, but

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<v Speaker 2>holy water seems to restore them. Yeah, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of Uh, there's a lot of religious symbolism and nods

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<v Speaker 2>throughout this play I should mention, and yeah, the atmosphere

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<v Speaker 2>of innocence surrounding Marguerite's home moves Faust. Marguerite finds the

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<v Speaker 2>jewels and puts them on He he got her a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of jewels, like priceless, priceless jewels, and like left

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<v Speaker 2>him in a box for her.

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<v Speaker 1>What is it with the innocence situation?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, because your boy Faust was already kind of corrupted.

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<v Speaker 2>He literally just sold a soul to the devil. So

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<v Speaker 2>the only thing that's gonna make him even slightly I

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<v Speaker 2>guess attracted to somebody would be if they were so pure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, you know, I'm not gonna touch this.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no, Marguerite was of age. Gonna throw that out.

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<v Speaker 1>It just seems like, you know, hey, she's so sweet

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<v Speaker 1>and innocent. Let me corrupt the shit out of that

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<v Speaker 1>and like ignore everything that she's saying.

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<v Speaker 2>So, you know, that being said, they just say that

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<v Speaker 2>Marguerite is a maiden, which in the proper context just

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<v Speaker 2>means an unwed woman. I don't know if they actually

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<v Speaker 2>said what her age was. I think in the book

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<v Speaker 2>they probably did. I don't know if they In the

418
00:22:10.519 --> 00:22:11.480
<v Speaker 2>play they actually make.

419
00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:15.839
<v Speaker 1>A mention of it, but it's sixteen probably for the

420
00:22:15.920 --> 00:22:17.720
<v Speaker 1>day and age. It was so.

421
00:22:19.079 --> 00:22:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yep, that's bad anyway. Moving on, and so Marguerite

422
00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:25.559
<v Speaker 2>finds the jewels that Faust had left for and puts

423
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<v Speaker 2>them on. When she looks in the mirror, she sees

424
00:22:27.640 --> 00:22:30.599
<v Speaker 2>a different woman and is further confused by the encouragement

425
00:22:30.680 --> 00:22:35.200
<v Speaker 2>of her neighbor Marth Faust and Metastophele's return, and Metastopheles

426
00:22:35.279 --> 00:22:38.720
<v Speaker 2>flirts with marthe giving Faust the opportunity to seduce Marguerite.

427
00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:41.519
<v Speaker 2>He's playing wingman vibes right, He's he's jumping on the

428
00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:42.680
<v Speaker 2>handker day for his homie.

429
00:22:42.839 --> 00:22:46.119
<v Speaker 1>That was all the m names, I know every one

430
00:22:46.160 --> 00:22:46.480
<v Speaker 1>of them.

431
00:22:46.680 --> 00:22:48.920
<v Speaker 2>It'd be like that, though.

432
00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:50.160
<v Speaker 1>He is uh.

433
00:22:50.599 --> 00:22:53.640
<v Speaker 2>She begins to give in and Mevastophles conjures up a

434
00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:57.880
<v Speaker 2>garden and makes Martha run off before disappearing himself. Marguerite

435
00:22:57.920 --> 00:23:02.160
<v Speaker 2>realizes she loves Faust, and they make love. Quite the

436
00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:04.279
<v Speaker 2>scandal of the DNA should be hooking up with the

437
00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:06.079
<v Speaker 2>guy you only met at a dance hall a couple

438
00:23:06.119 --> 00:23:07.839
<v Speaker 2>of nights prior, and uh.

439
00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:11.319
<v Speaker 1>You know, probably twice her age at least, if not more.

440
00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:13.359
<v Speaker 2>But he looked closer.

441
00:23:13.039 --> 00:23:15.400
<v Speaker 1>To her age. He looked thirty.

442
00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:18.680
<v Speaker 2>We don't know if she was twenty. We don't know that.

443
00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:21.640
<v Speaker 2>We also don't know, to your point, we don't know

444
00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:25.200
<v Speaker 2>if she was sixteen. I cannot speak intelligently on this,

445
00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:26.119
<v Speaker 2>but yes.

446
00:23:25.960 --> 00:23:30.559
<v Speaker 1>She was innocent. I'm assuming that she's probably maybe eighteen

447
00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:33.119
<v Speaker 1>and four. We're gonna be you know, lucky here.

448
00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:40.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah at four. Seduced and abandoned. Yeah, so

449
00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:42.720
<v Speaker 2>Faust as soon as he knocked her up dipped.

450
00:23:42.440 --> 00:23:44.359
<v Speaker 1>Out by the way, shocker.

451
00:23:44.839 --> 00:23:49.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, it's crazy. So seduced and abandoned. Marguerite

452
00:23:49.480 --> 00:23:52.839
<v Speaker 2>is expecting Fauss child. She is still in love with him,

453
00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:55.359
<v Speaker 2>and praise for him and their unborn child. She really

454
00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:57.759
<v Speaker 2>is like a good girl all the way through to

455
00:23:57.799 --> 00:23:58.240
<v Speaker 2>her death.

456
00:23:58.319 --> 00:23:58.880
<v Speaker 1>She really is.

457
00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:02.799
<v Speaker 2>I should also mention this story and play are considered

458
00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:06.039
<v Speaker 2>a tragedy if you couldn't see the riding on the walls.

459
00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:11.640
<v Speaker 2>But all right, uh. The soldiers return with Valentine. Sebil

460
00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:15.319
<v Speaker 2>tries to stop him seeing Marguerite, but Valentine, suspecting the worst,

461
00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:20.960
<v Speaker 2>pushes him aside outside her house. Melastopheles serenades Marguerite on

462
00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:25.359
<v Speaker 2>Faust's behalf. Valentine and Faus fight and with the intervention

463
00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:29.480
<v Speaker 2>of Mevastopheles, Valentine is fatally wounded. Yeah, the entire fight

464
00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:33.880
<v Speaker 2>scenes pretty fucked as well. You've seen Romeo and Juliet

465
00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:39.279
<v Speaker 2>a time or two, right, You remember how Tibbalts and

466
00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:44.160
<v Speaker 2>Marcutio were fighting, and you know the only reason why

467
00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:46.519
<v Speaker 2>Marcutio died was because Romeo jumped in the middle and

468
00:24:46.559 --> 00:24:49.640
<v Speaker 2>he got a lucky stab on him. Yeah, think that,

469
00:24:50.279 --> 00:24:54.440
<v Speaker 2>but way more underhanded. While Faust and Valentine were getting

470
00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:56.920
<v Speaker 2>after Mellistopheles comes up and fucking gangs him in the

471
00:24:57.000 --> 00:25:00.319
<v Speaker 2>kidney from behind, giving Faus the opportunity to him in

472
00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:03.359
<v Speaker 2>the heart. Complete dirty shit. But I mean, he's a demon.

473
00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:05.079
<v Speaker 1>What do you expect I was gonna sounds like he's dirty.

474
00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:07.720
<v Speaker 1>Obviously he's gonna do everything dirty because like he doesn't

475
00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:10.119
<v Speaker 1>want to lose that soul, so he's gonna win any

476
00:25:10.119 --> 00:25:10.920
<v Speaker 1>way he wants. So.

477
00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:15.359
<v Speaker 2>Indeed, indeed, Marguerite watches her brother die and hears him

478
00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:18.359
<v Speaker 2>curse her with her last with his last breath, so

479
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:21.400
<v Speaker 2>basically she's holding him in his head or his head

480
00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:24.240
<v Speaker 2>in her hands, gingerly whispering sweet words to him of

481
00:25:24.359 --> 00:25:29.240
<v Speaker 2>encouragement and all this. He basically curses her to just

482
00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:33.759
<v Speaker 2>be damned for her actions. Shit, because he knows that

483
00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:36.200
<v Speaker 2>she's knocked up out of wedlock, which puts this honor

484
00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:38.559
<v Speaker 2>on the whole family. Whole reason he's even here, not

485
00:25:38.680 --> 00:25:41.079
<v Speaker 2>on a battlefield, somewhere, is because of her whole ass,

486
00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:44.960
<v Speaker 2>and it's a whole thing. So basically, just pouring salts

487
00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:49.079
<v Speaker 2>in an already open wound and cutting even deeper, Valentine

488
00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:50.599
<v Speaker 2>healing some type of way.

489
00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:53.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, shit, he just died for old girl

490
00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:56.559
<v Speaker 1>being But to be feared like this sounds like a

491
00:25:56.680 --> 00:26:01.359
<v Speaker 1>whole predatory Oh yeah, just Hey, I'm going to seduce

492
00:26:01.480 --> 00:26:05.400
<v Speaker 1>you vibe situation Like, I feel like they were right

493
00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:09.240
<v Speaker 1>in worrying about her being alone or getting stolen or

494
00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:12.000
<v Speaker 1>anything like that. But a now all boy dies for it.

495
00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:15.519
<v Speaker 2>So I should also mention faust abandoned her the next morning,

496
00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:17.839
<v Speaker 2>not out of some there's no way to not be

497
00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:21.279
<v Speaker 2>a shipbag about this. I understand that he actually left

498
00:26:21.400 --> 00:26:24.279
<v Speaker 2>out of guilt because he realized that he had ruined

499
00:26:24.319 --> 00:26:26.480
<v Speaker 2>her innocence. It wasn't because he was like, oh well

500
00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:30.160
<v Speaker 2>she's damaged goods now and dipped out. He actually felt

501
00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:33.640
<v Speaker 2>really horrible about deflowering.

502
00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:36.200
<v Speaker 1>And I agree.

503
00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:38.000
<v Speaker 2>I agree.

504
00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:43.000
<v Speaker 1>He's like how old mentally quote unquote yeah sixty ish, Yeah,

505
00:26:43.039 --> 00:26:48.160
<v Speaker 1>sixty ish, and we're talking she's like at best eighteen, okay, yes,

506
00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:50.480
<v Speaker 1>like but all real shit.

507
00:26:50.680 --> 00:26:52.799
<v Speaker 2>Keep in mind he was on his way back to her,

508
00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:55.519
<v Speaker 2>which is when he and the brother met up. Like

509
00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:57.839
<v Speaker 2>the fuck up. I'm just saying, it's not like he

510
00:26:58.000 --> 00:27:00.880
<v Speaker 2>was trying to be like the night Shining arm or

511
00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:03.319
<v Speaker 2>over here. He still did dirty Like, for sure, he's

512
00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:06.079
<v Speaker 2>a dirty dog with it, But I just wanted to

513
00:27:06.079 --> 00:27:07.759
<v Speaker 2>be known that he didn't just like knock her up

514
00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:08.480
<v Speaker 2>in a pedophile.

515
00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:10.799
<v Speaker 1>I don't even care which way you slice it.

516
00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:13.359
<v Speaker 2>We don't know if he was a pedophile.

517
00:27:13.480 --> 00:27:17.240
<v Speaker 1>Okay, even eighteen, we're gonna call it for what it is.

518
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:21.160
<v Speaker 1>He's still being shitty. Yes, yes, yes, and of course

519
00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:21.839
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't die.

520
00:27:21.920 --> 00:27:23.359
<v Speaker 2>You know he didn't.

521
00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Force himself upon her. He did not do that. Yes,

522
00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:31.519
<v Speaker 1>because manipulating an innocent child is good. How are you

523
00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:33.880
<v Speaker 1>going to try to spin I'm not looked. Fouls is

524
00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:34.480
<v Speaker 1>a piece of shit.

525
00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:36.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm not trying to spend it in his favor, but

526
00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:39.039
<v Speaker 2>like I'm just saying, we gotta let the whole story

527
00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:39.640
<v Speaker 2>play through.

528
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:43.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay, he's still a piece of shit, even at the end, Like,

529
00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:47.720
<v Speaker 1>fuck this guy every way, shape and form, Like not

530
00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:50.039
<v Speaker 1>feel bad for the brother and this girl.

531
00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:50.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah you should, you should.

532
00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:52.839
<v Speaker 1>I feel bad for everybody involved that.

533
00:27:52.880 --> 00:27:55.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm not trying to defend him either, I'm trying to

534
00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:57.559
<v Speaker 2>give proper context to the story.

535
00:27:57.680 --> 00:28:01.319
<v Speaker 1>Rate Ja, I know you're giving condext man.

536
00:28:01.400 --> 00:28:03.240
<v Speaker 2>He's still a piece of shit and he deserves what

537
00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:08.000
<v Speaker 2>he got. But fuck anyway, right guy? Yes, fuck faust anyway?

538
00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:08.359
<v Speaker 1>Moving on?

539
00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Uh? Where are we at here? Distraught, Marguerite goes to

540
00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:14.759
<v Speaker 2>church to pray for forgiveness. When she hears the voice

541
00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:18.240
<v Speaker 2>of Mephistopheles telling her that she is damned, she collapses

542
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:22.079
<v Speaker 2>in terror. Act five, which also she.

543
00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Falls shows up just to be an asshole because he's

544
00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:26.279
<v Speaker 1>a demon. Yeah, that's fair.

545
00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:30.720
<v Speaker 2>Also, she collapses out of terror and basically gets arrested

546
00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:36.400
<v Speaker 2>and put into a scene asylum a fourteenth and fourteen

547
00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:38.920
<v Speaker 2>hundredth version of one, Oh my gosh, so you could

548
00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:43.119
<v Speaker 2>tell what's going down here terrible. She then gets like

549
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:44.319
<v Speaker 2>set to be executed.

550
00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:46.759
<v Speaker 1>This is a horrible story, by the way.

551
00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:50.519
<v Speaker 2>The tragedy, it's it's one of the mostest continuing here.

552
00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:54.799
<v Speaker 2>Act five, while Purgis Nights, that's a that's apparently a

553
00:28:54.920 --> 00:28:58.880
<v Speaker 2>celebration that takes place in Germany. Uh Faust and Mefistopheles

554
00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:01.640
<v Speaker 2>are surrounded by a group of demons. Faust has shown

555
00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:04.400
<v Speaker 2>a vision of Marguerite and she has been imprisoned for

556
00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:09.279
<v Speaker 2>infanticide and gone and sane. Yeah, the baby dies.

557
00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:12.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, hobnestly and clearly infant side.

558
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:15.640
<v Speaker 2>With Mefistopheles's help, Faust goes to the prison in an

559
00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:19.400
<v Speaker 2>attempt to save Marguerite. She seems to recognize her lover

560
00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:22.440
<v Speaker 2>and recalls the night when he first seduced her, Faust

561
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:25.599
<v Speaker 2>is overwhelmed with pity. Marguerite panics at the side of

562
00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:28.720
<v Speaker 2>the devil, and with a frantic appeal to heaven, she dies.

563
00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:33.640
<v Speaker 2>Mefistopheles damns her, but angelic voices proclaimed that she is saved.

564
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:36.079
<v Speaker 2>So all right, here's the deal.

565
00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:36.480
<v Speaker 1>They're in.

566
00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:40.680
<v Speaker 2>They're in the prison cell, and essentially she is in

567
00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:45.720
<v Speaker 2>her last act declaring that the Lord is her God

568
00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:49.000
<v Speaker 2>and that you know, stand back Satan, this whole, this

569
00:29:49.039 --> 00:29:50.480
<v Speaker 2>whole dramatic spiel.

570
00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:51.839
<v Speaker 1>And as they're leaving, the.

571
00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Demons like, yeah, well you're still going to hell, and

572
00:29:54.039 --> 00:29:58.359
<v Speaker 2>then Angel's voices come in and say, actually, Marguerite, her

573
00:29:58.480 --> 00:30:00.680
<v Speaker 2>name is written in the Book of Life. Thank you.

574
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:03.359
<v Speaker 1>So she gets to go to heaven. At least she

575
00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:05.880
<v Speaker 1>gets to go to heaven out of this whole ordeal,

576
00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:08.680
<v Speaker 1>because I'm sure that she probably gave birth and was

577
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:13.000
<v Speaker 1>having postpartum and she was probably you know, dying from

578
00:30:13.039 --> 00:30:16.440
<v Speaker 1>sepsis because they didn't you know, properly remove the placenta

579
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:20.240
<v Speaker 1>and everything else. So yeah, she's probably just suffering this.

580
00:30:20.240 --> 00:30:22.119
<v Speaker 1>This is a terrible story, by the way.

581
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:24.920
<v Speaker 2>So they kind of again, this is a not a

582
00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:27.720
<v Speaker 2>very good synopsis. They leave out everything about when they

583
00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:30.200
<v Speaker 2>go back and look at ancient Greece, because he wanted

584
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:33.359
<v Speaker 2>to learn everything of human knowledge, which leads them to

585
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:35.799
<v Speaker 2>go back to ancient Greece. He starts looking into some

586
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:38.799
<v Speaker 2>of these mystery schools of the olden days, which is

587
00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:42.720
<v Speaker 2>when he sees Helen and the whole shebang that happens there. Yeah,

588
00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:45.160
<v Speaker 2>this whole situation with the prison is after he bangs

589
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:48.640
<v Speaker 2>out Helen Detroit too, which it's it's wild now. I

590
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:53.519
<v Speaker 2>should also mention this Faust. There's two different versions of

591
00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:56.799
<v Speaker 2>this story, and there's another version where he's called doctor

592
00:30:56.880 --> 00:31:02.759
<v Speaker 2>Faustus rather than just Faust. This leads to there's Part

593
00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:06.440
<v Speaker 2>A and Part B, and there's still scholarly debate over

594
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:09.720
<v Speaker 2>which one was written first, and they have two very

595
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:16.079
<v Speaker 2>very drastic differences. Option A Faust overcome with grief and

596
00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:18.799
<v Speaker 2>realizing that his time is up. He basically gets one

597
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:21.839
<v Speaker 2>last hour over the twenty four years is almost up,

598
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:24.839
<v Speaker 2>and he's got one last hour on earth, and he

599
00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:27.359
<v Speaker 2>feels like that hour is going slower than the other

600
00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:31.200
<v Speaker 2>twenty four years combined, and it is dragging on. In

601
00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:34.599
<v Speaker 2>a last ditch effort, he realizes that he could still

602
00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:37.240
<v Speaker 2>try to call out to God to save his immortal soul.

603
00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Metastopheles actually snatches him up and is like, who the

604
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:43.839
<v Speaker 2>fuck you praying to dog? No, no, you sign on

605
00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:45.759
<v Speaker 2>the contract. Your soul is mine, Like, I don't know

606
00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:47.960
<v Speaker 2>who you think you talking to. You talk to me, bitch.

607
00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:51.119
<v Speaker 2>It's a whole thing. And then as they're dragging him down,

608
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:53.680
<v Speaker 2>God intervenes and is like, no, no, I heard the call.

609
00:31:54.039 --> 00:31:56.319
<v Speaker 2>I heard him. He's mine. He's coming to head with me.

610
00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:58.599
<v Speaker 1>No, fuck that guy. He doesn't need to go to heaven.

611
00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Option B Forty demons come out from Hell and rip

612
00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:06.519
<v Speaker 2>his body limb from limb, tear his organs apart, splay

613
00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:09.880
<v Speaker 2>him all over the room, and bring his screaming, kicking,

614
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:12.640
<v Speaker 2>piece by piece soul to hell, part by part.

615
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:15.039
<v Speaker 1>I take Option B for this man again.

616
00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:20.559
<v Speaker 2>The scholarly debate has not been concluded on this because

617
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:23.680
<v Speaker 2>there are certain literary elements that would suggest that option

618
00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:26.799
<v Speaker 2>A was written first, and then other references that are

619
00:32:26.799 --> 00:32:28.039
<v Speaker 2>made that would suggest.

620
00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:29.279
<v Speaker 1>Option B was written first.

621
00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:31.599
<v Speaker 2>We don't know which one is the original, which one

622
00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:34.799
<v Speaker 2>is fanfic, or if the author himself wrote two different

623
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:37.039
<v Speaker 2>versions of the story and just kind of made one

624
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:40.440
<v Speaker 2>more popular than the others. There's so many hypotheticals on

625
00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:43.640
<v Speaker 2>this one, but it was later turned into a play

626
00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:47.960
<v Speaker 2>for obvious reasons. Certain things of the play were certain

627
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<v Speaker 2>things of the book, I should say, we're removed from

628
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<v Speaker 2>the play. Certain themes were rather softened for very obvious reasons.

629
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<v Speaker 2>If any of you are curious, they do have pretty decent,

630
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<v Speaker 2>like ten minute long YouTube videos where they break down

631
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:06.240
<v Speaker 2>the book. Thug Notes actually did a really good video

632
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:09.519
<v Speaker 2>talking about option A and Option B and then talking

633
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<v Speaker 2>more about the overall.

634
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:13.680
<v Speaker 1>Theme of them.

635
00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:17.440
<v Speaker 2>One of these stories looks like it's more of a

636
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:22.400
<v Speaker 2>play on humanity versus human guilt, and the demon in

637
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:25.359
<v Speaker 2>the middle of it all is more or less the catalyst,

638
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:28.599
<v Speaker 2>but it's more or less a human being dealing with

639
00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:33.079
<v Speaker 2>his own inherent evil nature that he's born with. Another

640
00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:36.640
<v Speaker 2>option is showing that like when given the opportunity, human

641
00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:39.720
<v Speaker 2>beings are going to make the worst decision possible every

642
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:42.759
<v Speaker 2>fucking time. When you offer enough money, enough power, basically

643
00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:46.440
<v Speaker 2>everybody's got a price. Okay, So it's one book looks

644
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:49.680
<v Speaker 2>at it more like it's a philosophical tug of war.

645
00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:52.440
<v Speaker 2>The other one is just showing yeah, people are shit dog.

646
00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:57.599
<v Speaker 1>I still go with be option B for old boy. Yeah.

647
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<v Speaker 2>So that is the overarching themes and again very very

648
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:07.119
<v Speaker 2>brief synopsis missing. Well, we're gonna talk about that one

649
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:10.800
<v Speaker 2>here in just a bit, but first let's talk about

650
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<v Speaker 2>Johann George Faust. This is a real dude, that's a

651
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:16.880
<v Speaker 2>real person that really walked the earth.

652
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

653
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<v Speaker 2>So, and they are those myself included, that believe that

654
00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:28.280
<v Speaker 2>he was the theme, the inspiration rather for Faust the book.

655
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<v Speaker 2>Let's get into it here. So Johann George Faust. He

656
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:35.679
<v Speaker 2>was born, they argue between fourteen eighty and fourteen sixty six,

657
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:39.360
<v Speaker 2>but he died confirmed in fifteen forty one. A d

658
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:43.480
<v Speaker 2>also known in England as John Faustus, which is where

659
00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:46.679
<v Speaker 2>sometimes the term doctor Faustus gets thrown out in some

660
00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:48.960
<v Speaker 2>of the more English adaptations of the German book.

661
00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:51.800
<v Speaker 1>Moving on, he was a German.

662
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:59.440
<v Speaker 2>Itinerant, alchemist, astrologer and magician of the German Renaissance. By

663
00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:01.960
<v Speaker 2>all accounts, this guy was a polymath, And for anybody

664
00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:05.599
<v Speaker 2>who doesn't know what that is, a polymath is somebody that,

665
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:10.039
<v Speaker 2>by today's standards we would say has multiple doctorates in

666
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:12.679
<v Speaker 2>multiple crazy fields of study. Like if you had a

667
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:17.360
<v Speaker 2>guy who was had a doctorate in history, in literature,

668
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:22.199
<v Speaker 2>in engineering, and also did some moonlight work as a

669
00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:27.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, a weapons designer, and then also on

670
00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:31.760
<v Speaker 2>the side is a world class painter, we would consider

671
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:35.079
<v Speaker 2>him a polymath. Just so we're all clear here. So

672
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:37.920
<v Speaker 2>this guy was, by all accounts a polymath of his

673
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:43.000
<v Speaker 2>day and age in the German Renaissance. So Doctor Faust

674
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:45.960
<v Speaker 2>became the subject of folk legend in the decades after

675
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:50.440
<v Speaker 2>his death, transmitted in chat books beginning in the fifteen

676
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:54.920
<v Speaker 2>eighties as and was notably adapted by Christopher Marlowe as

677
00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:57.960
<v Speaker 2>a tragic hero in his play The Tragic History of

678
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:00.599
<v Speaker 2>the Life and Death of Doctor Faust, And that was

679
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:01.679
<v Speaker 2>in sixteen oh four.

680
00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:04.719
<v Speaker 1>What made this guy so special that they did this

681
00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:07.280
<v Speaker 1>whole play on unless this was really the dude that

682
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:09.199
<v Speaker 1>had this whole situation go down.

683
00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:12.800
<v Speaker 2>So let's learn about that together, right, Because just to

684
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:15.440
<v Speaker 2>say that this guy was an alchemist and an astrologer

685
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:20.280
<v Speaker 2>and a magician, typically those three things run together, honestly,

686
00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:24.840
<v Speaker 2>and you know, alchemy, we would consider that a chemist

687
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:28.679
<v Speaker 2>by today's standards. Although there was a little bit more

688
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:32.079
<v Speaker 2>of the X factor, if you will. Reason for that

689
00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:37.239
<v Speaker 2>is because by today's standards, we have something called stoichiometry, right,

690
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:40.199
<v Speaker 2>we have something called the periodic table of elements. We

691
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<v Speaker 2>understand the amount of algebra that goes into chemical compositions,

692
00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:48.159
<v Speaker 2>and when you mix two parts A with one part B,

693
00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:49.519
<v Speaker 2>you get chemical C.

694
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:51.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm terrible at chemistry.

695
00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:52.840
<v Speaker 2>I love it.

696
00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:57.440
<v Speaker 1>I love it. I am just well, I had a

697
00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:00.159
<v Speaker 1>terrible teacher, So I'll say that I have a I

698
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:03.199
<v Speaker 1>had a terrible teacher, but I do believe that I

699
00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:05.239
<v Speaker 1>could hopefully learn it one day better.

700
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:08.760
<v Speaker 2>Well even still, it's per the day and age. So

701
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:10.280
<v Speaker 2>they didn't have help me, is.

702
00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:14.159
<v Speaker 1>The well they so this guy believed in all of this,

703
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:17.880
<v Speaker 1>and so he practiced everything together essentially okay.

704
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:22.400
<v Speaker 2>And that's very typical in most true alchemists. They would

705
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:26.239
<v Speaker 2>not practice alchemy unless it was in Hebrew. They wouldn't

706
00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:28.400
<v Speaker 2>do it unless it was in a certain time of

707
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:33.639
<v Speaker 2>the year, because the alchemical experiments wouldn't work unless it

708
00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:35.920
<v Speaker 2>was in a certain month, or at least is what

709
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:38.840
<v Speaker 2>they believed. The stars had to be aligned a certain

710
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:41.360
<v Speaker 2>way if they were trying to do this incantation. What

711
00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:44.519
<v Speaker 2>we might call an experiment by today's standards.

712
00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:46.960
<v Speaker 1>So like the elixir of life, what they're looking.

713
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:50.920
<v Speaker 2>For basically, well, not every alchemist was trying their hand

714
00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:54.840
<v Speaker 2>at getting the Philosopher's Stone. A lot of them were. Yeah,

715
00:37:55.039 --> 00:37:59.199
<v Speaker 2>Isaac Newton very famously an alchemists who discover gravity. He didn't,

716
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:02.559
<v Speaker 2>he just put turn to it. But he actually died

717
00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:05.360
<v Speaker 2>from drinking mercury because he was in the process of

718
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:10.039
<v Speaker 2>trying to create the Philosopher's Stone off of alchemical texts.

719
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:13.679
<v Speaker 2>But so, yeah, the whole magician thing as well. A

720
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:16.639
<v Speaker 2>lot of what they did in the fourteen hundreds. Think

721
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:20.280
<v Speaker 2>about this gunpowder would have seemed like magic to these people.

722
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

723
00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:22.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

724
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:25.039
<v Speaker 1>And like if you add different chemicals together having it

725
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:28.159
<v Speaker 1>turned different colors, that can you know, consider magic.

726
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:31.360
<v Speaker 2>And then you could also understand why certain church leaders

727
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:33.920
<v Speaker 2>would see this guy mix things from glass jar a

728
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:36.159
<v Speaker 2>to glass jar B and it just changed colors. And

729
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:40.000
<v Speaker 2>now there's smoke. That's not God's work, that's the demons.

730
00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:43.840
<v Speaker 2>So clearly everything alchemical must be demonic.

731
00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:46.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and definitely got to kill all the women though,

732
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:47.679
<v Speaker 1>because like the Mingo.

733
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:50.440
<v Speaker 2>There was very few women alchemist. I know, I was

734
00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:51.280
<v Speaker 2>just kidding, I'm hi.

735
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:56.920
<v Speaker 1>Fourteen hundred women read grows.

736
00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:00.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's crazy, but there were a few very prominent

737
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:04.519
<v Speaker 2>female alchemist throughout the years. Marry the Jewish or Maria

738
00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:07.480
<v Speaker 2>the Jewish is one of the more famous ones, but

739
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:10.239
<v Speaker 2>that was first century a d. And she was brought

740
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:14.960
<v Speaker 2>up in alchemistry from her Hebrew backgrounds in Germany in

741
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:17.719
<v Speaker 2>the fourteen hundreds. She well, when we got our ears

742
00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:21.639
<v Speaker 2>chopped off for such such heresy. But yeah, so anyway,

743
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:25.039
<v Speaker 2>moving on here, let's talk about the biography of Old Boy.

744
00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Because of his early treatment as a figure in legend

745
00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:32.159
<v Speaker 2>and literature, is difficult to establish historical facts about his

746
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:35.639
<v Speaker 2>life with any certainty. In the seventeenth century, it was

747
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:38.519
<v Speaker 2>even doubted if there even had been a historical Faust,

748
00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:41.679
<v Speaker 2>and the legendary character was identified with a printer of

749
00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:46.599
<v Speaker 2>Man's called John Faust or John George Newman excuse me

750
00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:49.639
<v Speaker 2>in nine. In sixteen eighty three, addressed the question in

751
00:39:49.719 --> 00:39:55.400
<v Speaker 2>his De Cuistio historica de Fausto prejudice tatur. Yeah, I

752
00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:58.480
<v Speaker 2>can't read that. Sorry, My eyes ain't the best establishing

753
00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:03.679
<v Speaker 2>faust historical existence. It's based on contemporary references, possible places

754
00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:06.840
<v Speaker 2>of origin in the historical John Faust or Johann Faus

755
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:13.039
<v Speaker 2>or Johann Faust are Knittingen Hemstadt near Haidelberg or Roda

756
00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:17.760
<v Speaker 2>Knittingitten Jesus Christ. I can't even see it, sir nit

757
00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:23.320
<v Speaker 2>nitz Lingen rather today has an archive any museum dedicated

758
00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:26.159
<v Speaker 2>to Faust, So there are German cities that still reference

759
00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:30.320
<v Speaker 2>to Guy today. Faust year of birth is either fourteen

760
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:33.239
<v Speaker 2>eighty or fourteen sixty six.

761
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:38.599
<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, that's a big difference, but okay exactly.

762
00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:44.480
<v Speaker 2>The City archive of Ingolstad has a letter dated on

763
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:47.760
<v Speaker 2>the twenty seventh of June fifteen twenty eight which mentions

764
00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:52.760
<v Speaker 2>a doctor Jong Faustus van Heldeberg or Heldeberg. Other sources

765
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:58.679
<v Speaker 2>have Georgias Faustus Heimstel. In the archives Heidelberg University, there

766
00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:03.199
<v Speaker 2>are records of Georgie Helmsteader inscribed from fourteen eighty three

767
00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:06.679
<v Speaker 2>to fourteen eighty seven, stating that he was promoted to

768
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:12.000
<v Speaker 2>baccalarius in July of fourteen eighty four and a magister

769
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:15.320
<v Speaker 2>artium on the first of March fourteen eighty seven. These

770
00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:20.559
<v Speaker 2>just everybody's clear are ranks associated essentially, Okay, let's say

771
00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:23.159
<v Speaker 2>you go from a bachelor's degree to a master's degree

772
00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:27.719
<v Speaker 2>to a doctorate. Okay, that is essentially what these are considered. Now,

773
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:34.239
<v Speaker 2>this is like levels of unified understood levels of education. Okay,

774
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:39.000
<v Speaker 2>So the Wandering Magician. For the year fifteen oh six,

775
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:41.400
<v Speaker 2>there is a record of Faust appearing as a performer

776
00:41:41.480 --> 00:41:46.679
<v Speaker 2>of magical tricks and horoscopes in Gilhausen or Geinhausen. Over

777
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:49.639
<v Speaker 2>the following thirty years, there are numerous similar records spread

778
00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:55.960
<v Speaker 2>over southern Germany. Faust appears as physician, doctor of philosophy, alchemist, magician,

779
00:41:56.079 --> 00:42:00.440
<v Speaker 2>and astrologer, and was often accused of fraud. The Catholic

780
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Church denounced him as a blasphemer in league with the devil.

781
00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:08.840
<v Speaker 2>Faus was also accused of being a Protestant Christian the

782
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:13.000
<v Speaker 2>nerve of this German, which keep in mind, that's where

783
00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:15.760
<v Speaker 2>the Lutheran Church was founded from. So like the Germans

784
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:20.760
<v Speaker 2>have had their Catholics for a while. But yeah uh,

785
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:28.519
<v Speaker 2>Johann Trithmus, Jesus Christ Trithemius, yeah uh. In a letter

786
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:32.119
<v Speaker 2>to Johannes Verdung dated on the twentieth of August fifteen

787
00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:36.800
<v Speaker 2>oh seven, warns the latter of a certain Georgias Sibelicius

788
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:42.320
<v Speaker 2>a trickster and fraud slying himself Georgias Sibylistus Faustus junior.

789
00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:45.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm not pronouncing that word, but basically gives all the

790
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:47.480
<v Speaker 2>proper monikers to say that this guy is claiming he's

791
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:53.920
<v Speaker 2>Faus's kid. According to Trithemius, the Galhausen Wurzburg sub Jesus

792
00:42:53.960 --> 00:43:00.599
<v Speaker 2>Christ Sibilichus boasted blasphemously of his powers, even claiming that

793
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:04.039
<v Speaker 2>he could easily reproduce all of the miracles of Jesus Christ.

794
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:11.559
<v Speaker 2>Trithemus alleges that Sebelicius received a teaching position in Stickingin

795
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:15.280
<v Speaker 2>in fifteen oh seven when he abused or which he

796
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:19.280
<v Speaker 2>abused by indulging in soodomy with his male students, evading

797
00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:22.280
<v Speaker 2>punishment by a timely escape.

798
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:26.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and so this guy's he's just as good as

799
00:43:26.559 --> 00:43:27.159
<v Speaker 1>the other guy.

800
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:32.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, okay, So again, giving the proper historical context here,

801
00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:36.400
<v Speaker 2>to claim that somebody was guilty of sodomy could just

802
00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:38.199
<v Speaker 2>mean he was a homosexual.

803
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:39.079
<v Speaker 1>Which is totally fine.

804
00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:41.679
<v Speaker 2>It could also mean that he was raping his students.

805
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:43.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

806
00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Both both are very much possible in the historical context

807
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:48.199
<v Speaker 2>of the fourteen and fifteen hundreds.

808
00:43:48.239 --> 00:43:51.800
<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately you don't know. Also, I was thinking, since his

809
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:54.960
<v Speaker 1>birth is like unknown, could it be because he aged

810
00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:55.719
<v Speaker 1>back in time.

811
00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:58.760
<v Speaker 2>This is a portion of the reason why they think

812
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:02.880
<v Speaker 2>that the actual fouse was. Maybe the story isn't so

813
00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:05.599
<v Speaker 2>much of a story as much of a retelling of

814
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:06.360
<v Speaker 2>true events.

815
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:08.400
<v Speaker 1>That'd be wild.

816
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:14.360
<v Speaker 2>This that's what some believe. Anyway, let's get in the possibly.

817
00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:18.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, granted, the timeframe of his birth was we're

818
00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:23.119
<v Speaker 2>talking give or take fourteen years, so that's not exactly

819
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:26.719
<v Speaker 2>the twenty four years. But afford it fucking close, right.

820
00:44:26.840 --> 00:44:29.840
<v Speaker 1>Still gonna afford it. We're gonna count for it.

821
00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Small little adaptations here there. Maybe her name wasn't Marguerite.

822
00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:34.559
<v Speaker 2>Maybe his name.

823
00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Was martinuez I said, Martin, you know, Martin Martini, Martin

824
00:44:41.199 --> 00:44:42.239
<v Speaker 1>who even knows?

825
00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:45.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, slight little adaptations to make it more palpable for

826
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:49.119
<v Speaker 2>the stage of the sixteen hundreds. Who knows, I mean, but.

827
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:52.559
<v Speaker 1>They But homosexuality has been around for a very long time,

828
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:53.280
<v Speaker 1>so it.

829
00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:55.280
<v Speaker 2>Was never seen as a positive thing. You'd be put

830
00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:57.360
<v Speaker 2>to death for such things for the vast majority of

831
00:44:57.400 --> 00:44:58.000
<v Speaker 2>human history.

832
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:00.880
<v Speaker 1>That's sad. By the way, it is what it is.

833
00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:07.719
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, uh, let's see Conrad Multanus Rufus in fifteen

834
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:16.840
<v Speaker 2>thirteen recounts a meeting with a chiromanticus okay, oh, chiromanticus

835
00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:20.599
<v Speaker 2>very interesting, called Georgis Faustus. I'm not going to pronounce

836
00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:25.360
<v Speaker 2>those terms. Basically, it means Demi, god of Heidelberg, overhearing

837
00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:29.840
<v Speaker 2>his vain and foolish boasts and the elfret Inn. On

838
00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:32.519
<v Speaker 2>the twenty third of February fifteen twenty faust was in

839
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:36.199
<v Speaker 2>Bamberg doing a horoscope for the bishop and the town,

840
00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:39.719
<v Speaker 2>for which he received the sum of ten golden So

841
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:43.440
<v Speaker 2>these are actual documented claims of like this dude getting

842
00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:46.280
<v Speaker 2>paid for his services as a magician or sorcerer and

843
00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:48.440
<v Speaker 2>alchemist and now astronomer or whatever.

844
00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:52.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm surprised that he gave a horoscope to a bishop.

845
00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:55.199
<v Speaker 2>I agree like that.

846
00:45:55.239 --> 00:45:57.320
<v Speaker 1>I didn't think that was a thing that could go down,

847
00:45:58.199 --> 00:45:59.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, isn't that the devil's work?

848
00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Some would say so, although depending on which section of

849
00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:07.960
<v Speaker 2>the Old Testament you are quoting, it does say that we,

850
00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:10.800
<v Speaker 2>as followers of the God of Abraham, should be setting

851
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:12.880
<v Speaker 2>our calendars by the stars in the.

852
00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Moon Okay, so if you are, but you're getting your

853
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:24.960
<v Speaker 1>horoscope done, like you're still participating in things that are

854
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:27.440
<v Speaker 1>not from the Bible. So I agree.

855
00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:31.039
<v Speaker 2>But there are those I even know Christians that get

856
00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:33.079
<v Speaker 2>down with horoscopes and they're like, well it sens right

857
00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:34.800
<v Speaker 2>here in the Bible, we should watch the stars. And

858
00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:37.639
<v Speaker 2>it's like, no, no, you're you're cherry picking half of one

859
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:39.639
<v Speaker 2>sentence of the entire book.

860
00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:42.559
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that horoscopes are evil?

861
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:48.079
<v Speaker 2>Of No, I think they're silly, not necessary. I guess

862
00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:51.000
<v Speaker 2>it depends on how you use them. Okay, it's like saying,

863
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:52.280
<v Speaker 2>do I believe a gun is evil?

864
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:52.840
<v Speaker 1>No?

865
00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:56.599
<v Speaker 2>Could it be used for evil purposes? Sure? If you're

866
00:46:56.679 --> 00:47:01.800
<v Speaker 2>using the stars for divination or magic or speaking with

867
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:04.280
<v Speaker 2>the dead or something like this, yes, I believe that

868
00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:05.039
<v Speaker 2>that is satanic.

869
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:07.719
<v Speaker 1>Like moonwater is satanically based.

870
00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:11.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, are you speaking to some other deity

871
00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:13.239
<v Speaker 2>when you're doing moonwater?

872
00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:17.000
<v Speaker 1>More or less you can charge your crystals. You put

873
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:20.000
<v Speaker 1>out some water the moon kind of like re like

874
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:23.679
<v Speaker 1>there's a thing about energizing water, like the enzymes inside

875
00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:27.840
<v Speaker 1>of it, and it helped you know, you could make

876
00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:30.960
<v Speaker 1>a ritual of it to where it's like wanting positive

877
00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:31.960
<v Speaker 1>vibes pretty much.

878
00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:36.119
<v Speaker 2>See. I again, I don't really get down with the

879
00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:39.000
<v Speaker 2>charging of crystals. I think that is silly. I don't.

880
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:43.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's I mean scientifically though they hold energy.

881
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:47.920
<v Speaker 2>They do so, but they hold electricity, they hold that

882
00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:50.719
<v Speaker 2>type of energy. The moon has no bearing on electrical

883
00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:51.760
<v Speaker 2>vibrations whatsoever.

884
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:55.000
<v Speaker 1>True. But I mean people, there's still some science based

885
00:47:55.039 --> 00:47:58.800
<v Speaker 1>that there is energy within everything, and so yeah, I

886
00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:02.000
<v Speaker 1>don't see the harm in it. I just I don't

887
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:05.280
<v Speaker 1>see the harm and horoscopes, I mean, I think it's fascinating.

888
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:07.800
<v Speaker 1>I actually, you know, there's a lot of I have

889
00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:11.559
<v Speaker 1>a friend that's super into astrology, and she like does

890
00:48:11.599 --> 00:48:13.800
<v Speaker 1>all the kids. She's like, when were you born? At

891
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:14.280
<v Speaker 1>what time?

892
00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:14.440
<v Speaker 2>What?

893
00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:14.760
<v Speaker 1>This?

894
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:16.800
<v Speaker 2>And this and this, and she is a little star chart.

895
00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah. She was like, girl, I'm gonna do all

896
00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:20.559
<v Speaker 1>your stuff. And I was like, look, you can do

897
00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:23.119
<v Speaker 1>all the legwork and then tell me about me. That'd

898
00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:26.079
<v Speaker 1>be great because she's she has all of it down

899
00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:28.239
<v Speaker 1>to the absolute science, which is cool. I mean, I

900
00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:31.880
<v Speaker 1>think there's a lot of interesting information with it. I'm

901
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:34.440
<v Speaker 1>not super huge into it in the sense of I

902
00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:37.360
<v Speaker 1>don't know enough to be to be like really into it.

903
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:40.440
<v Speaker 1>But I don't see how it is of the devil.

904
00:48:41.079 --> 00:48:42.679
<v Speaker 1>It's not one of those things that I feel that

905
00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:46.400
<v Speaker 1>it is satanic in any way, shape or form. To me.

906
00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:49.079
<v Speaker 2>I think it's interesting, and I think that if you're

907
00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:53.480
<v Speaker 2>using it, how could I put this per my believes

908
00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:57.519
<v Speaker 2>God made the stars, he made the moon. Using these things,

909
00:48:57.639 --> 00:49:00.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't think is inherently bad. You are using these

910
00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:05.079
<v Speaker 2>as a replacement for the Word, or for salvation, or

911
00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:07.719
<v Speaker 2>whatever the case is, then it gets to be blasphemy.

912
00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:11.480
<v Speaker 2>That's where I'm at with it. It's interesting. Like crystals,

913
00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:14.760
<v Speaker 2>for instance, I don't have a problem with crystals. I don't.

914
00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:17.639
<v Speaker 2>I may not think that they are actually doing anything

915
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:21.119
<v Speaker 2>on a spiritual level, but I'm not gonna like shit

916
00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:24.119
<v Speaker 2>on somebody who does believe that. That's fine. I call

917
00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:26.880
<v Speaker 2>it a difference of opinions. That's cool. I think that

918
00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:30.760
<v Speaker 2>crystals have memory. I think that they have an insane

919
00:49:31.159 --> 00:49:34.480
<v Speaker 2>ability to grow, which is inherent to say that they

920
00:49:34.599 --> 00:49:37.599
<v Speaker 2>might have actual some sort of a life force within them.

921
00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:39.840
<v Speaker 2>I think that's very interesting and we should have that

922
00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:44.599
<v Speaker 2>research done into them. We use them in electrical components.

923
00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:48.119
<v Speaker 2>I got no problems with crystals themselves. But whenever you

924
00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:52.880
<v Speaker 2>have people that are replacing prayer with rubbing a crystal

925
00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:56.079
<v Speaker 2>all over their face because it's like cleansing their aura

926
00:49:56.360 --> 00:50:00.000
<v Speaker 2>or something, it's like, all right, sure, I don't think

927
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:02.000
<v Speaker 2>they're going to be damned hell for such. I'm not

928
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:04.559
<v Speaker 2>in a position to make that judge them call. But yeah,

929
00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:07.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't believe that crystals are inherently satanic. I think

930
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:10.440
<v Speaker 2>people can take it and use it to a realm

931
00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:13.639
<v Speaker 2>that is satanically based, But I don't think they're inherently evil.

932
00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:17.239
<v Speaker 1>I guess I just don't. As long as it's not

933
00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:19.920
<v Speaker 1>hurting anybody, it doesn't bother me. I have tons of

934
00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:22.199
<v Speaker 1>crystals in my house, and I have them, I use

935
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:24.960
<v Speaker 1>them in my berth, and I wear a ton of

936
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:29.199
<v Speaker 1>bracelets and stuff that have different, you know, different meanings

937
00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:32.840
<v Speaker 1>for what I'm wearing and stuff I don't. It's the

938
00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:36.360
<v Speaker 1>same with the tarot deck. I only actually I was

939
00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:39.840
<v Speaker 1>gifted a tarot deck that's actually a really really nice

940
00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:42.920
<v Speaker 1>tarot deck. It's not even one that I would even

941
00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:46.199
<v Speaker 1>consider a full tarot deck. I actually have never owned

942
00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:48.639
<v Speaker 1>a tarot deck. A lot of my friends have them,

943
00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:51.159
<v Speaker 1>but I don't. There's certain things I guess that have

944
00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:54.239
<v Speaker 1>been ingrained in me because I was brought up in

945
00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:59.199
<v Speaker 1>a Christian household so devoutly. I don't have an issue

946
00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:00.760
<v Speaker 1>with any of it, and I find it a lot

947
00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:04.199
<v Speaker 1>a lot of things fascinating. I just am very learly

948
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:07.559
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to specific things that could open up

949
00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:13.400
<v Speaker 1>gateways into bringing in demonic forces that I don't want

950
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:16.800
<v Speaker 1>to fuck with. But I like the idea for a

951
00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:20.519
<v Speaker 1>lot of people. I just know that my experiences, I'm

952
00:51:20.599 --> 00:51:24.400
<v Speaker 1>just more sensitive to certain things and I don't bring

953
00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:27.400
<v Speaker 1>that into my life, but I don't mind being around

954
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:29.119
<v Speaker 1>people that are doing it, and I like to actually

955
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:31.840
<v Speaker 1>listen and see what people are talking about with it.

956
00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:34.199
<v Speaker 1>It's just it's one of those things that I'm like,

957
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:36.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm not not going to fuck with it for myself.

958
00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:41.119
<v Speaker 2>So Taro specifically and me and Jonathan always had these conversations.

959
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:44.800
<v Speaker 2>If it's something that is trying to tell you your future,

960
00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:49.760
<v Speaker 2>it is probably satanically based that just right out the rip.

961
00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Any kind of divination, any kind of sorcery, communicating with

962
00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:56.880
<v Speaker 2>the dead, those that deal in chance by that they

963
00:51:56.960 --> 00:52:00.920
<v Speaker 2>mean of tongues, No, no dealing in bones and cars,

964
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:03.559
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, chance would be like yeah, yeah, no, speaking

965
00:52:03.559 --> 00:52:05.079
<v Speaker 2>in tongues that's a that's a gift of the spirit.

966
00:52:05.079 --> 00:52:06.000
<v Speaker 2>That's the other side of the coin.

967
00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:08.760
<v Speaker 1>See. And I actually was raised that tongue is demonic.

968
00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:12.280
<v Speaker 2>How it talks about it multiple times.

969
00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:14.159
<v Speaker 1>I know it talks about it in the Bible, but

970
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:16.400
<v Speaker 1>I was so some of the churches that I went

971
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:19.119
<v Speaker 1>to when I was younger, like tongues is that no

972
00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:22.039
<v Speaker 1>one on earth knows how to speak in tongues now,

973
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:25.760
<v Speaker 1>and that what people are talking in is actually demonic.

974
00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:31.079
<v Speaker 2>That is a claim for the record. No one is

975
00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:33.840
<v Speaker 2>supposed to know how to speak in tonguese. Not something

976
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:35.840
<v Speaker 2>you're taught, it's it's something that.

977
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:39.599
<v Speaker 1>But like what they're channeling is not of God, that

978
00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:43.960
<v Speaker 1>it's actually demonic in presence. And one of my girlfriends

979
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:46.360
<v Speaker 1>actually went to a church down here that that they

980
00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:48.280
<v Speaker 1>were speaking in tongue and she faced himy and I

981
00:52:48.320 --> 00:52:51.920
<v Speaker 1>was like, mmmm, not today say nine that even though

982
00:52:51.920 --> 00:52:55.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm like not of like super Christian room, but I

983
00:52:55.079 --> 00:52:57.199
<v Speaker 1>was like mm mmm. I was brought up like that,

984
00:52:57.280 --> 00:53:00.679
<v Speaker 1>like if that's happening crazy, Yeah, Like no.

985
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:02.800
<v Speaker 2>To think that's demonic, that's like I would love to

986
00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:06.079
<v Speaker 2>meet the pastor that's giving that sermon, Like brother, that's

987
00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:09.480
<v Speaker 2>like saying, laying healing hands on somebody is clearly demonic

988
00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:11.800
<v Speaker 2>because nobody knows how to do that these days, Like

989
00:53:11.920 --> 00:53:15.400
<v Speaker 2>you don't learn that that's a thing that you do what.

990
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:18.079
<v Speaker 1>I do think it's kind of funny though, like the

991
00:53:18.159 --> 00:53:23.639
<v Speaker 1>whole situation watching it, just like what are you just

992
00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:27.079
<v Speaker 1>randomly talking some bullshit like that? No, I will say

993
00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:30.719
<v Speaker 1>that it randomly going going hard for no reason, and

994
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:33.559
<v Speaker 1>then I don't know, that's We're not going to get

995
00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:36.320
<v Speaker 1>on in tangent of religion. But I just think that's

996
00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:38.320
<v Speaker 1>an interesting I feel.

997
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:40.159
<v Speaker 2>Like a lot of people that are doing that are acting,

998
00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:42.840
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, I'm very honest with you, which at that

999
00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:48.880
<v Speaker 2>point that is false false grace, which is a form

1000
00:53:48.920 --> 00:53:53.239
<v Speaker 2>of lying in a church. So like, I'm with you

1001
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:56.119
<v Speaker 2>as far as that goes that, maybe that is demonically based.

1002
00:53:56.199 --> 00:53:59.960
<v Speaker 2>But that's that's a bold claim to say that anybody

1003
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:02.880
<v Speaker 2>attempting to speak in tongues or get that gift of

1004
00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:07.360
<v Speaker 2>the spirit is channeling a demon at a church service

1005
00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:12.679
<v Speaker 2>while praying to God. That's wild, But okay, God, if

1006
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:14.400
<v Speaker 2>I's got their interpretations on time, I.

1007
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:16.440
<v Speaker 1>Don't know that's just the way I was brought up

1008
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:18.960
<v Speaker 1>with it, and I'm like, I personally, I won't go

1009
00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:19.840
<v Speaker 1>near it. I'm like, hmm.

1010
00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:24.039
<v Speaker 2>But getting back to this though, for the horoscopes, I

1011
00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:28.719
<v Speaker 2>don't think inherently knowing your sign or having your star

1012
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:33.320
<v Speaker 2>chart read is necessarily evil. However, if you are using

1013
00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:37.079
<v Speaker 2>it as a basis to predict your future, that is

1014
00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:38.840
<v Speaker 2>when it gets to like, no, you're not supposed to

1015
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:41.719
<v Speaker 2>be predicting your future. You're supposed to be making the

1016
00:54:41.719 --> 00:54:44.960
<v Speaker 2>best choices you can as of this moment. That's that's

1017
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:47.599
<v Speaker 2>where it goes to the realm of like quote unquote divination.

1018
00:54:48.800 --> 00:54:51.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't see any harm in it, just

1019
00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:54.159
<v Speaker 1>personally for myself, and I think people that participate in

1020
00:54:54.199 --> 00:54:56.719
<v Speaker 1>it aren't doing anything bad. But that's just me.

1021
00:54:57.360 --> 00:55:00.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm not judging anybody. Oh no, I mean, but yeah, so,

1022
00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:03.639
<v Speaker 2>especially in the fourteen hundreds, it is crazy that he

1023
00:55:03.760 --> 00:55:04.960
<v Speaker 2>was giving a.

1024
00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:07.440
<v Speaker 1>Bishop, a bishop of all things. That's why I'm like, way,

1025
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:09.000
<v Speaker 1>a bishop wanted.

1026
00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:11.280
<v Speaker 2>His horoscope and got paid for it.

1027
00:55:11.960 --> 00:55:15.599
<v Speaker 1>That's even more crazy to me, Like, what is happening?

1028
00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:17.559
<v Speaker 2>He got paid with tithe dollars for that shit?

1029
00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Man? Yeah, just be taking shit from people.

1030
00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:23.239
<v Speaker 2>Hear you, the bishop don't just like got money. They

1031
00:55:23.239 --> 00:55:26.480
<v Speaker 2>don't get paid for their services. Yeah, that was tie dollars.

1032
00:55:26.920 --> 00:55:30.039
<v Speaker 2>That's crazy. So anyway, continuing on, it says in fifteen

1033
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:35.159
<v Speaker 2>twenty eight Faust visited Ingolstadt, where he was banished. Shortly after.

1034
00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:38.400
<v Speaker 2>In fifteen thirty two, he seems to have tried to

1035
00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:41.719
<v Speaker 2>enter Numberg, which I believe is Nuremberg these days, according

1036
00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:44.400
<v Speaker 2>to an unflattering note made by the junior mayor of

1037
00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:48.079
<v Speaker 2>the city to deny free passage to the great neck

1038
00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:52.599
<v Speaker 2>that's supposed to be necromancer. But that's a g and sodomite,

1039
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:56.960
<v Speaker 2>doctor Faustus. So the junior mayor saw him as a

1040
00:55:57.000 --> 00:56:00.719
<v Speaker 2>necromancer and a sodomite and named him out specifically.

1041
00:56:01.280 --> 00:56:01.719
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

1042
00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:05.599
<v Speaker 2>Later records give a more positive verdict. Thus, the Tuebingen

1043
00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:11.239
<v Speaker 2>professor Joachim Camerius in the fifteen thirty six recognition of

1044
00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:16.360
<v Speaker 2>Faus as a respectable astrologer and physician. Philip Bargarti of

1045
00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:20.760
<v Speaker 2>Worms in fifteen thirty nine praises his medical knowledge. The

1046
00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:25.280
<v Speaker 2>last direct attestation of Faus dates to the twenty fifth

1047
00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:28.760
<v Speaker 2>of June fifteen thirty five, when his presence was recorded

1048
00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:32.679
<v Speaker 2>but in Munster during an Anabaptist rebellion.

1049
00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:37.760
<v Speaker 1>Interesting, now do you be making his rounds? He did.

1050
00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:40.559
<v Speaker 2>Now, let's talk about his death some of the more

1051
00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:45.719
<v Speaker 2>controversial things surrounding him. Faus death is dated to either

1052
00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:50.159
<v Speaker 2>fifteen forty or fifteen forty one. He allegedly died in

1053
00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:53.840
<v Speaker 2>an explosion of an alchemical experiment at the Hotel zoom

1054
00:56:53.920 --> 00:57:00.079
<v Speaker 2>Leuen in Staufen, Mbresgau. I can't speak German. My apology, y'all.

1055
00:57:00.199 --> 00:57:02.400
<v Speaker 1>God, you're butchering this, but I can't do any better.

1056
00:57:02.599 --> 00:57:04.960
<v Speaker 2>His body is reported to have been found in a

1057
00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:10.119
<v Speaker 2>grievously mutilated state quote unquote, which was interpreted to the

1058
00:57:10.119 --> 00:57:12.519
<v Speaker 2>effect that the devil had come to collect him in

1059
00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:18.119
<v Speaker 2>person by his clerical and scholarly enemies. Wow. In fifteen

1060
00:57:18.199 --> 00:57:23.199
<v Speaker 2>forty eight, the theologian Johann Gast, in his Sermons Covalates,

1061
00:57:23.760 --> 00:57:26.719
<v Speaker 2>states that Faus had suffered a dreadful death and would

1062
00:57:26.800 --> 00:57:29.920
<v Speaker 2>keep turning his faith to the earth in spite of

1063
00:57:29.960 --> 00:57:34.239
<v Speaker 2>the body being turned up on its back several times.

1064
00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:37.039
<v Speaker 2>So even after they laid him into the grave, he

1065
00:57:37.119 --> 00:57:38.960
<v Speaker 2>kept turning over to go face down.

1066
00:57:40.079 --> 00:57:41.760
<v Speaker 1>Hmm.

1067
00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:45.519
<v Speaker 2>In the fifteen forty eight account. Gass also mentions a

1068
00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:49.639
<v Speaker 2>person meeting with Faus in Basel during the faus Wit

1069
00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:52.320
<v Speaker 2>or excuse Me, during which Faus provided the cook with

1070
00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:56.400
<v Speaker 2>poultry of a strange kind. According to Gast, Faus traveled

1071
00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:58.960
<v Speaker 2>with a dog and a horse, and there were rumors

1072
00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:04.280
<v Speaker 2>that the dog would sometimes transform into a servant. Yeah.

1073
00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:06.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh, shape shifter status.

1074
00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Shape shifter status. That would be his servant, that would

1075
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:13.440
<v Speaker 2>do his bidding. I have very similar to Mephistopheles with Faust.

1076
00:58:14.679 --> 00:58:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Hmm, that's very similar. Definitely. I bet you this could

1077
00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:21.480
<v Speaker 1>be the real guy and the real story.

1078
00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:25.760
<v Speaker 2>There's at least that kernel of truth. Right, There's that thread,

1079
00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:29.679
<v Speaker 2>there's that yarn on the corkboard, right. Authorship of grimoires.

1080
00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:32.880
<v Speaker 2>There were several prints of grimoires or magical texts attributed

1081
00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:36.679
<v Speaker 2>to Faust. Some of them are artificially dated to his lifetime,

1082
00:58:36.760 --> 00:58:38.960
<v Speaker 2>but the prints in fact date to the late sixteenth

1083
00:58:39.039 --> 00:58:43.119
<v Speaker 2>century circa fifteen eighty, the same period of the development

1084
00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:49.000
<v Speaker 2>of the Volksbooch tradition. Variants of the holand Zwog attributed

1085
00:58:49.039 --> 00:58:51.239
<v Speaker 2>to Faust continued to be published for the next two

1086
00:58:51.320 --> 00:58:55.639
<v Speaker 2>hundred years, well into the eighteenth century, it became fashionable

1087
00:58:55.679 --> 00:58:58.760
<v Speaker 2>for occultist in early Europe to list Faust as the

1088
00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:02.000
<v Speaker 2>author of their texts to protect themselves from the wrath

1089
00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:05.239
<v Speaker 2>of the Church under charges of heresy. The practice was

1090
00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:10.039
<v Speaker 2>common throughout the medieval world and mimics the ancient authors

1091
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:14.840
<v Speaker 2>who remained anonymous by listing King Solomon or Hermis Tresmegistus

1092
00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:17.079
<v Speaker 2>as the author of their text.

1093
00:59:18.519 --> 00:59:21.559
<v Speaker 1>Wow. For two hundred years, this man still continued his

1094
00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:23.199
<v Speaker 1>quote unquote legacy.

1095
00:59:23.360 --> 00:59:25.199
<v Speaker 2>But that's the thing. A lot of it was plagiarized.

1096
00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:28.519
<v Speaker 2>The same with King Solomon and Hermes Tresmegistus. There are

1097
00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:31.719
<v Speaker 2>so many people that think that Hermi's Tresmagistus is Toath

1098
00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:35.239
<v Speaker 2>who made his way to Greece, as Hermes who made

1099
00:59:35.239 --> 00:59:38.000
<v Speaker 2>his way to Rome as Mercury, because it's clearly the

1100
00:59:38.039 --> 00:59:40.559
<v Speaker 2>same guy. It's like, there's like five things that you

1101
00:59:40.599 --> 00:59:43.599
<v Speaker 2>could maybe say connect them all. Maybe one of them

1102
00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:46.519
<v Speaker 2>is like gave humans writing.

1103
00:59:47.719 --> 00:59:49.039
<v Speaker 1>So clearly it's the same guy.

1104
00:59:49.039 --> 00:59:51.760
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like Toath was wearing a coum crown from

1105
00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:57.920
<v Speaker 2>his uncle, Hermes was wearing a winged hat and winged shoes.

1106
00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:01.039
<v Speaker 2>Mercury didn't like, what the f are we talking about here,

1107
01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:04.800
<v Speaker 2>But so many people wrote Hermes Trees mcgistus as the

1108
01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:07.639
<v Speaker 2>author of this grim wire, this magical text that they

1109
01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:10.800
<v Speaker 2>were working off of, so it's it's all written. And

1110
01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:13.159
<v Speaker 2>the same thing with King Solomon. There's so many thing

1111
01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:15.480
<v Speaker 2>about the Lesser and Greater Key of Solomon and all

1112
01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:17.960
<v Speaker 2>the things that he wrote down in his lifetime, and

1113
01:00:18.000 --> 01:00:20.679
<v Speaker 2>that's not true though at all. It was later written

1114
01:00:20.719 --> 01:00:22.800
<v Speaker 2>by occultist who put his name on it. And that's

1115
01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:24.199
<v Speaker 2>how plagiarism used to go back.

1116
01:00:24.079 --> 01:00:28.199
<v Speaker 1>In the day. I mean, everything can changes. It's not

1117
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:31.400
<v Speaker 1>like they had fact checks. So like whatever you wrote down,

1118
01:00:31.519 --> 01:00:35.079
<v Speaker 1>whatever was spread, is how it's spread so exactly. And

1119
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:39.360
<v Speaker 1>then it's easy one hundred years all misinformation can you

1120
01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:41.920
<v Speaker 1>It dies out. So whatever you want to make the

1121
01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:44.760
<v Speaker 1>story of the narrative the next hundred years is going

1122
01:00:44.840 --> 01:00:47.559
<v Speaker 1>to be running with it and changing each hand. It's

1123
01:00:47.559 --> 01:00:50.519
<v Speaker 1>the monkey chain pretty much. So the story twists and

1124
01:00:50.599 --> 01:00:54.199
<v Speaker 1>change and the legend becomes more crazier than actually the

1125
01:00:54.239 --> 01:00:57.480
<v Speaker 1>story originated, and then you have all sorts of stuff

1126
01:00:57.480 --> 01:00:59.239
<v Speaker 1>that derives from it.

1127
01:00:59.239 --> 01:01:03.840
<v Speaker 2>It's same thing with right, because in fifteen eighty seven,

1128
01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:08.760
<v Speaker 2>a German chapter book about Fauss sins began the literary

1129
01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:10.760
<v Speaker 2>tradition of the Faust.

1130
01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:13.719
<v Speaker 1>Character to like forty something years later after his death.

1131
01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah okay, not.

1132
01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:19.559
<v Speaker 2>Even one whole lifetime away. It was edited and exerbted

1133
01:01:19.599 --> 01:01:24.719
<v Speaker 2>by G. R. Wildman and Nicholas pitt Fitzer excuse me,

1134
01:01:25.119 --> 01:01:29.000
<v Speaker 2>and was finally republished anonymously in modernized form in the

1135
01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:34.920
<v Speaker 2>early eighteenth century as the fausboch Day Christish Maidenden. Yeah,

1136
01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:37.679
<v Speaker 2>I don't speak German. This edition became widely known and

1137
01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:40.880
<v Speaker 2>was also read by Goth in his youth. Goth is

1138
01:01:40.920 --> 01:01:43.039
<v Speaker 2>the one that read, that wrote the book that we

1139
01:01:43.079 --> 01:01:46.639
<v Speaker 2>would now know today. This is why these two individuals,

1140
01:01:46.800 --> 01:01:49.400
<v Speaker 2>they don't know which version was the correct version that

1141
01:01:49.480 --> 01:01:51.800
<v Speaker 2>Goeth got before he wrote his version that we know

1142
01:01:51.880 --> 01:01:52.440
<v Speaker 2>from the play.

1143
01:01:54.480 --> 01:01:57.079
<v Speaker 1>Then the monkey chain of events and the you know,

1144
01:01:57.199 --> 01:02:02.440
<v Speaker 1>conversations that keep changing, so yeah, so continuous says.

1145
01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:05.840
<v Speaker 2>As summarized by Richard Stretcher, this version is the account

1146
01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:08.840
<v Speaker 2>of a young man called Johann Faust, son of a peasant,

1147
01:02:08.880 --> 01:02:13.199
<v Speaker 2>who studies theology in Wittenberg. Beside medicine, astrology, and quote

1148
01:02:13.239 --> 01:02:16.880
<v Speaker 2>unquote other magical arts. His balanced desire for knowledge leads

1149
01:02:16.960 --> 01:02:19.840
<v Speaker 2>him to conjure the devil in a wood near Wittenberg,

1150
01:02:20.039 --> 01:02:22.719
<v Speaker 2>who appears in the shape of a gray fair who

1151
01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:26.480
<v Speaker 2>calls himself Mephistopheles. Fout centers and packs with the devil,

1152
01:02:26.559 --> 01:02:29.079
<v Speaker 2>pledging his soul In exchange for twenty four years of service.

1153
01:02:29.280 --> 01:02:33.480
<v Speaker 2>The devil produces a familius, Christoph Wagner and a poodle,

1154
01:02:34.599 --> 01:02:37.480
<v Speaker 2>which is a German dog I shouldn't have mentioned as

1155
01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:41.440
<v Speaker 2>a familiar to a company. Faust in his adventures as

1156
01:02:41.519 --> 01:02:42.119
<v Speaker 2>the dog that.

1157
01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:44.639
<v Speaker 1>Has a dog that would follow Okay, yepka.

1158
01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:47.880
<v Speaker 2>Faust goes on to live a life of pleasures. He

1159
01:02:47.960 --> 01:02:50.760
<v Speaker 2>visits the Pope in Rome, the Sultan of Constantinople, and

1160
01:02:50.800 --> 01:02:54.159
<v Speaker 2>the Kaiser in Insbruck. After sixteen years, he begins to

1161
01:02:54.159 --> 01:02:56.199
<v Speaker 2>regret his pack and wants to withdraw, but the devil

1162
01:02:56.199 --> 01:02:59.440
<v Speaker 2>persuades him to renew it, conjuring up Helen of Troy,

1163
01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:03.400
<v Speaker 2>with whom Faus sires a son called Justus or Justice.

1164
01:03:04.079 --> 01:03:07.199
<v Speaker 2>As the twenty fourth year comes to an end, Satan,

1165
01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:10.119
<v Speaker 2>chief of the Devil's appears and announces Faust's death for

1166
01:03:10.199 --> 01:03:13.679
<v Speaker 2>the coming night. Faust, at a quote unquote last supper

1167
01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:18.079
<v Speaker 2>scene in Rimlik, takes leave of his friends and admonishes

1168
01:03:18.159 --> 01:03:21.480
<v Speaker 2>them to repentance and piety. At midnight, there is a

1169
01:03:21.519 --> 01:03:24.079
<v Speaker 2>great noise from Faust's room, and in the morning, its

1170
01:03:24.119 --> 01:03:26.920
<v Speaker 2>walls and floor are found splattered with blood and brains,

1171
01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:29.519
<v Speaker 2>with fouss eyes laying on the floor and his dead

1172
01:03:29.559 --> 01:03:32.679
<v Speaker 2>body in the courtyard. The most famous depiction of Faust

1173
01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:36.559
<v Speaker 2>was Christopher Marlowe's fifteen ninety two play The Tragical History

1174
01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:38.880
<v Speaker 2>of the Life and Death of Doctor Faust. When it

1175
01:03:38.920 --> 01:03:41.800
<v Speaker 2>premiered in London, it was a smash hit, using rudimentary

1176
01:03:41.800 --> 01:03:44.719
<v Speaker 2>special effects to make spirits and demons appear on stage.

1177
01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:48.760
<v Speaker 2>Contemporary accounts stated the play drove spectators mad through the

1178
01:03:48.760 --> 01:03:53.159
<v Speaker 2>conjuring of real ghosts during the performance. Marlow's Doctor Faust

1179
01:03:53.239 --> 01:03:56.159
<v Speaker 2>remains a controversial play more than four hundred years after

1180
01:03:56.199 --> 01:03:59.400
<v Speaker 2>its publication due to its ritual invocation of the devil

1181
01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:01.639
<v Speaker 2>and challenge to religious doctrine.

1182
01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:03.239
<v Speaker 1>That's all I was gonna say. I was like, were

1183
01:04:03.239 --> 01:04:07.679
<v Speaker 1>they performing actual rituals during the play themselves? Did they

1184
01:04:07.760 --> 01:04:12.960
<v Speaker 1>actually draw the correct symbolism and they were actually performing?

1185
01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:15.159
<v Speaker 1>Because that was the whole thing that ties into the

1186
01:04:15.159 --> 01:04:17.159
<v Speaker 1>rest of the industry that we're going to get into,

1187
01:04:17.519 --> 01:04:21.960
<v Speaker 1>is them actually performing rituals that you're listening to continuously,

1188
01:04:22.400 --> 01:04:26.920
<v Speaker 1>and that you're actually summoning the devil or different spirits

1189
01:04:27.119 --> 01:04:27.800
<v Speaker 1>to you.

1190
01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:32.079
<v Speaker 2>You ever seen Tombstone the movie of course, remember that

1191
01:04:32.119 --> 01:04:33.599
<v Speaker 2>bar scene when they're watching a play.

1192
01:04:33.880 --> 01:04:35.039
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that was Faust.

1193
01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Really, that's why she was wearing the devil's mask and

1194
01:04:39.039 --> 01:04:42.159
<v Speaker 2>she was presenting him with a contract. Yeah, oh that

1195
01:04:42.239 --> 01:04:42.719
<v Speaker 2>was fast.

1196
01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:44.599
<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize that.

1197
01:04:44.719 --> 01:04:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Okay, this play in this trope you ever seen shit

1198
01:04:49.880 --> 01:04:55.039
<v Speaker 2>was name not Hell Rider, Nicholas Cage Bike.

1199
01:04:55.719 --> 01:05:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Oh oh yes, yes, oh my gosh, ghost goes right. Yeah,

1200
01:05:00.920 --> 01:05:04.480
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't seem There's so many now that I'm sitting

1201
01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:07.199
<v Speaker 1>here thinking about, there's so many movies. So this all

1202
01:05:07.239 --> 01:05:11.480
<v Speaker 1>comes back to this man that, by all accounts, sounds

1203
01:05:11.480 --> 01:05:13.800
<v Speaker 1>like he was actually the real dude that this is

1204
01:05:13.840 --> 01:05:14.800
<v Speaker 1>actually based off of.

1205
01:05:15.119 --> 01:05:19.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, huh, And we don't know to what level he

1206
01:05:19.480 --> 01:05:21.920
<v Speaker 2>was a piece of shit. Keep in mind the context

1207
01:05:21.920 --> 01:05:24.679
<v Speaker 2>of the day and age. This guy was doing alchemy, which,

1208
01:05:25.519 --> 01:05:29.199
<v Speaker 2>depending on who was paying you, might have been great.

1209
01:05:29.320 --> 01:05:31.519
<v Speaker 2>And the king knew about it because he brought you

1210
01:05:31.559 --> 01:05:34.760
<v Speaker 2>into Alchemists will be brought into courts of kings to

1211
01:05:34.800 --> 01:05:38.039
<v Speaker 2>do their sciences for the king, because the king wanted

1212
01:05:38.039 --> 01:05:40.119
<v Speaker 2>to have the latest toy. And if you've got a

1213
01:05:40.159 --> 01:05:42.360
<v Speaker 2>guy that's able to produce this crazy magic for you

1214
01:05:42.400 --> 01:05:45.360
<v Speaker 2>that possibly you could use to impress your other royal

1215
01:05:45.719 --> 01:05:48.199
<v Speaker 2>buddies slash cousins from a different country that you're trying

1216
01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:50.400
<v Speaker 2>to marry your daughter to or whatever, maybe he's going

1217
01:05:50.440 --> 01:05:52.760
<v Speaker 2>to develop some new weapon for you, maybe recreate a

1218
01:05:52.760 --> 01:05:57.119
<v Speaker 2>little Greek fire for your army. Alchemists were very sought after. However,

1219
01:05:57.119 --> 01:05:59.199
<v Speaker 2>they had to walk a very very fine line because

1220
01:05:59.199 --> 01:06:01.400
<v Speaker 2>if they ever stepped out of favor with whoever their

1221
01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:04.840
<v Speaker 2>benefactor was, they're clearly conjuring Satan and they need to

1222
01:06:04.880 --> 01:06:05.440
<v Speaker 2>be beheaded.

1223
01:06:06.599 --> 01:06:09.440
<v Speaker 1>That'd be stressful. I mean, it's a really cool practice

1224
01:06:09.440 --> 01:06:11.800
<v Speaker 1>to like look into and all the different back in

1225
01:06:11.840 --> 01:06:15.360
<v Speaker 1>the day ad, you know, doing chemistry and doing that

1226
01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:19.199
<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff and trying to experiment. But I definitely

1227
01:06:19.280 --> 01:06:22.480
<v Speaker 1>feel bad for them because it was just very very

1228
01:06:22.519 --> 01:06:25.000
<v Speaker 1>touch and go every time they actually did any kind

1229
01:06:25.039 --> 01:06:25.840
<v Speaker 1>of experiments.

1230
01:06:26.119 --> 01:06:29.800
<v Speaker 2>That being said, the real faust was he actually a

1231
01:06:29.840 --> 01:06:34.920
<v Speaker 2>massive piece of shit? Maybe is it also possible that

1232
01:06:35.039 --> 01:06:38.679
<v Speaker 2>these sources that we are reading were clerical people themselves

1233
01:06:38.920 --> 01:06:41.599
<v Speaker 2>who saw anything he did as clearly satanic, so they

1234
01:06:41.679 --> 01:06:44.119
<v Speaker 2>only wrote the worst possible things about him, half of

1235
01:06:44.159 --> 01:06:45.960
<v Speaker 2>which aren't even true, and we're made up to make

1236
01:06:46.039 --> 01:06:47.000
<v Speaker 2>him seem even worse.

1237
01:06:47.519 --> 01:06:50.280
<v Speaker 1>That's probably honestly, more or less. I mean, I could

1238
01:06:50.280 --> 01:06:53.360
<v Speaker 1>see him doing, you know, being a man of that

1239
01:06:53.480 --> 01:06:56.800
<v Speaker 1>day and age and whatnot. But it very milt could

1240
01:06:56.880 --> 01:07:00.440
<v Speaker 1>be that there was you know, a bishop, felt some

1241
01:07:00.519 --> 01:07:04.239
<v Speaker 1>type of way or who and whoever, and then just

1242
01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:05.880
<v Speaker 1>ended up changing more and more.

1243
01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:08.760
<v Speaker 2>It's very possible both ways, and that's why I think

1244
01:07:08.800 --> 01:07:11.719
<v Speaker 2>it's so interesting to look at this for the historical

1245
01:07:11.760 --> 01:07:15.400
<v Speaker 2>context of it and the conspiratorial context of it, because

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01:07:15.440 --> 01:07:17.880
<v Speaker 2>with this, there have been so many people that have

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<v Speaker 2>claimed that they sold their soul to the devil for fame,

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01:07:21.760 --> 01:07:25.679
<v Speaker 2>for fortune, for talent, for power, for position, for whatever

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01:07:25.719 --> 01:07:26.360
<v Speaker 2>the case would be.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're gonna get to those in a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>But now as we're talking about the trope itself of

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01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:33.559
<v Speaker 2>the Faustian bargain is what it's commonly referred to of

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01:07:34.400 --> 01:07:37.760
<v Speaker 2>so Gothic tropes, the Faustian bargain. We all know, never

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01:07:37.840 --> 01:07:40.079
<v Speaker 2>to make a deal with the devil, right, The concept

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01:07:40.079 --> 01:07:42.559
<v Speaker 2>of engaging in trades or bargains with the demonic figure

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01:07:42.880 --> 01:07:45.360
<v Speaker 2>has been a common motif in folklore around the world

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01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:49.519
<v Speaker 2>for centuries, but this particular iteration the Faustian bargain derives

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01:07:49.519 --> 01:07:52.400
<v Speaker 2>the same from the German folk legend of doctor Faust.

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01:07:52.719 --> 01:07:55.760
<v Speaker 2>These legends spring from a real historical figure, a sixteenth

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01:07:55.840 --> 01:07:59.840
<v Speaker 2>century itinerant alchemist and astrologer named Johann Faust, who's larger

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01:07:59.840 --> 01:08:02.599
<v Speaker 2>than life reputation led to rumors that he had sold

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01:08:02.599 --> 01:08:05.000
<v Speaker 2>his soul to the devil in exchange for great knowledge

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01:08:05.079 --> 01:08:08.079
<v Speaker 2>and magical abilities. The legend of doctor Faust has been

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01:08:08.159 --> 01:08:12.039
<v Speaker 2>directly adapted into works of literature many times, but we

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01:08:12.079 --> 01:08:14.880
<v Speaker 2>also see similar bargains being struck by other characters throughout

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<v Speaker 2>Gothic literature. So what exactly is the Faustian bargain in

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01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:20.439
<v Speaker 2>the original legend ario We already talked about that. So

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<v Speaker 2>the most famous literary adaptations of Faust legends are Christopher

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<v Speaker 2>Marlowe's play The Tradition, the Tragical History and Life and

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01:08:29.119 --> 01:08:33.199
<v Speaker 2>Death of Doctor Faust, and Johann Wolfgang von Goet's closet

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01:08:33.279 --> 01:08:37.319
<v Speaker 2>drama Faust, written about or written around fifteen ninety two.

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<v Speaker 2>Marlowe's play predates the advent of the Gothic genre by

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01:08:41.119 --> 01:08:46.319
<v Speaker 2>nearly two centuries, but with subject matter that includes supernatural beings,

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01:08:46.359 --> 01:08:49.119
<v Speaker 2>dark magic in the occult. It is no wonder that

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01:08:49.279 --> 01:08:54.399
<v Speaker 2>why this Elizabethian traditionary or tragedy would influence later Gothic works.

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<v Speaker 2>In Marlowe's version, the scholar doctor Faustus summons the demon

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01:08:58.399 --> 01:09:01.000
<v Speaker 2>and signs of contract in blood, which the demon agreed

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01:09:01.239 --> 01:09:03.600
<v Speaker 2>to serve him for twenty four years, after which time

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01:09:03.680 --> 01:09:06.960
<v Speaker 2>Lucifer will have full claim to Fausus's body and soul.

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<v Speaker 2>Faustus spends these years traveling the world, getting Metastopheles to

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01:09:11.079 --> 01:09:14.000
<v Speaker 2>conjure up legendary figures like Helen of Troy, and only

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01:09:14.039 --> 01:09:17.319
<v Speaker 2>briefly regretting his bargain. Though faus tries to find a

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01:09:17.319 --> 01:09:19.079
<v Speaker 2>way out of his bargain in his final hours, the

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<v Speaker 2>play ends with the devils arriving to drag him to hell.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is the ghoth version, right, and this this

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01:09:25.760 --> 01:09:27.279
<v Speaker 2>is the book of it, and we already give it

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<v Speaker 2>a good once sover as far as that goes now

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<v Speaker 2>continuing on here, few Gothic characters who enter such bargains

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01:09:35.880 --> 01:09:39.000
<v Speaker 2>are so lucky to end. Wait, I forgot this is

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<v Speaker 2>the other one. Where it actually ends part the other part.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was an A and B. Excuse me, Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>I do want to read this, So publish, says Faust

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<v Speaker 2>part one in eighteen oh eight, and Faust Part two

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<v Speaker 2>in eighteen thirty two. And there's still some debate about this.

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<v Speaker 2>The bargain between Faust and Metastopheles is depicted with some

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01:09:55.800 --> 01:09:59.960
<v Speaker 2>key differences. First, rather than the bargain being Faust's own idea,

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<v Speaker 2>Mevaistopheles comes up with the plan and approaches Faust with

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<v Speaker 2>it of his own accord. Mefistopheles offers the following terms.

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<v Speaker 2>He will be fouls servant during his lifetime, using his

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01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:13.159
<v Speaker 2>powers to grant faults wishes, if Faust will then serve

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01:10:13.279 --> 01:10:16.359
<v Speaker 2>him in the afterlife. Fous degrees and adds an ironic

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01:10:16.399 --> 01:10:19.439
<v Speaker 2>twist to the bargain. If he ever experiences a moment

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01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:23.159
<v Speaker 2>of transcendent happiness and contentment, he will die then and

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01:10:23.199 --> 01:10:26.319
<v Speaker 2>there and begin his eternity as the demon's servant.

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<v Speaker 1>He fucked himself when he put that one in there.

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01:10:29.119 --> 01:10:33.720
<v Speaker 2>Possibly Mevastopheles helps Faust win over Gretchen, the woman he loves.

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<v Speaker 2>So what in the the Maiden? Now it's a Gretchen.

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01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:39.800
<v Speaker 2>I forget what the other one.

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<v Speaker 1>Her name starts with an M, Marguerite, Marguerite, so it

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01:10:46.880 --> 01:10:50.880
<v Speaker 1>wasn't Marguerite now yeah, now it's Gretchen, which I do

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01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:51.840
<v Speaker 1>love that name for girls.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna be honest, correct, Gretchen. Gretsch is a solid name.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, Greta.

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<v Speaker 2>I've only met one Gretchen in my life and she

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01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:04.279
<v Speaker 2>was cool. I duggar anyway, the woman he loves, though

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01:11:04.319 --> 01:11:07.439
<v Speaker 2>his meddling seems to cause more tragedy than happiness. By

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01:11:07.439 --> 01:11:09.319
<v Speaker 2>the end of part two, fous or Pince of his

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01:11:09.399 --> 01:11:14.399
<v Speaker 2>bargain and is ultimately saved by God's angels. Yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Few Gothic characters who enter such a bargain are so

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01:11:17.600 --> 01:11:22.079
<v Speaker 2>lucky to backtrack in our timeline slightly. Matthew Lewis's The

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01:11:22.199 --> 01:11:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Monk from seventeen ninety six is probably one of the

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01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:28.680
<v Speaker 2>earliest instances of a Fausium bargain in Gothic literature, made

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01:11:28.680 --> 01:11:31.560
<v Speaker 2>by a character other than Faust himself. While one could

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01:11:31.560 --> 01:11:34.000
<v Speaker 2>read the overall story as a Faustian bargain in a

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01:11:34.119 --> 01:11:39.479
<v Speaker 2>vague and metaphorical sense, the formerly virtuous monk Ambrosio compromises

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01:11:39.479 --> 01:11:42.000
<v Speaker 2>his morals and damns his soul when he begins engaging

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01:11:42.039 --> 01:11:45.319
<v Speaker 2>in black magic to satisfy his lust. A more literal

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01:11:45.359 --> 01:11:47.159
<v Speaker 2>deal with the devil occurs right at the end of

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01:11:47.199 --> 01:11:50.640
<v Speaker 2>the novel. After Ambrosio rapes and murders the object of

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01:11:50.680 --> 01:11:53.920
<v Speaker 2>his desires, Antonia, he is captured and imprisoned by the

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01:11:53.960 --> 01:11:58.319
<v Speaker 2>Inquisition and sentenced to death. As he should be, Lucifer

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01:11:58.359 --> 01:12:01.479
<v Speaker 2>appears in Ambrosio's cell and offers him freedom in exchange

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01:12:01.479 --> 01:12:04.359
<v Speaker 2>for his soul. Ambrosio tries to resist, but when faced

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01:12:04.399 --> 01:12:08.399
<v Speaker 2>with imminent death, he signs the contract. Unfortunately, Ambrosio falls

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01:12:08.439 --> 01:12:12.199
<v Speaker 2>to stipulate airtight terms to his side of the bargain.

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<v Speaker 2>Lucifer frees him from this prison cell, only to immediately

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01:12:15.479 --> 01:12:18.439
<v Speaker 2>subject him to a slow and painful death as a

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<v Speaker 2>prelude to the eternity he'll spend in hell.

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<v Speaker 1>At the first the beginning part, I was like, oh wow,

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<v Speaker 1>this is like one of the first dark romances created.

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01:12:27.199 --> 01:12:29.199
<v Speaker 1>And then and then as we were like read on,

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01:12:29.319 --> 01:12:32.039
<v Speaker 1>I was like, in a dark.

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<v Speaker 2>Romance, I don't want to dark romance has got all

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01:12:35.119 --> 01:12:36.479
<v Speaker 2>kinds of that ship up in them.

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01:12:36.600 --> 01:12:39.279
<v Speaker 1>First of all, there is not.

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01:12:39.319 --> 01:12:42.199
<v Speaker 2>A lot of I'm gonna go ahead and let you

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01:12:42.239 --> 01:12:44.319
<v Speaker 2>finish your sentence, but go ahead and think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>There's not a lot of murder.

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01:12:48.479 --> 01:12:50.439
<v Speaker 2>There, you go, there's not a lot of murder, because

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01:12:50.439 --> 01:12:52.119
<v Speaker 2>that's the takeaway from that one.

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01:12:53.039 --> 01:12:56.319
<v Speaker 1>There's not anyway, depends on the book.

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01:12:56.840 --> 01:13:00.279
<v Speaker 2>Sure, Sure. The Fallacian Barget plays a more central role

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01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:05.079
<v Speaker 2>in Charles Martine's eighteen twenty Gothic novel Melmoth the Wanderer.

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<v Speaker 2>The titular character of this story is a scholar who

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01:13:08.520 --> 01:13:10.279
<v Speaker 2>has sold his soul to the devil in exchange for

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01:13:10.319 --> 01:13:12.600
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and fifty years of extended life.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes more sense, much better, one hundred and fifty

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01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:16.079
<v Speaker 1>instead of twenty four.

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01:13:16.279 --> 01:13:19.600
<v Speaker 2>But still it's an eternity in hell. Even one hundred

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01:13:19.600 --> 01:13:22.199
<v Speaker 2>and fifty seems like a that's a drop in the bucket.

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01:13:22.399 --> 01:13:24.840
<v Speaker 1>I would be like, cool, we'll do like one hundred

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01:13:24.880 --> 01:13:29.159
<v Speaker 1>thousand years then like maybe we'll talk, but like eternity

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01:13:29.319 --> 01:13:32.279
<v Speaker 1>versus one hundred thousand, Oh, I don't know, you know,

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01:13:32.840 --> 01:13:34.920
<v Speaker 1>maybe there's like a bargain, like how many people can

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01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:37.039
<v Speaker 1>I like bring to you?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, you would damn other people sold a

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01:13:39.920 --> 01:13:43.560
<v Speaker 2>hell to live longer. Okay, Jack Sparrow, I would not

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01:13:43.800 --> 01:13:45.960
<v Speaker 2>do such a thing. I would not.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just you know, maybe maybe like a bounty hunter. Ooh,

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01:13:50.399 --> 01:13:54.600
<v Speaker 1>like if I could like bounty hunt like the bad Ghostwriter. Yeah,

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01:13:54.880 --> 01:13:57.119
<v Speaker 1>be like, Okay, hey, if I bring like the really

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01:13:57.199 --> 01:13:59.439
<v Speaker 1>bad people to you, can we like knock off a

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01:13:59.560 --> 01:14:03.119
<v Speaker 1>hundred year each one. I'll even do fifty seventy five

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<v Speaker 1>fifty to.

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<v Speaker 2>Be like ghost Writer. I think that would be a

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01:14:06.880 --> 01:14:09.640
<v Speaker 2>solid bargain honestly, but even still, like you remember that

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01:14:09.720 --> 01:14:11.439
<v Speaker 2>movie he made me deal with the devil to save

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01:14:11.439 --> 01:14:13.640
<v Speaker 2>his dad's life, only for his dad to die in

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01:14:13.640 --> 01:14:16.199
<v Speaker 2>the very next race. Oh yeah, because that's how the

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01:14:16.239 --> 01:14:16.960
<v Speaker 2>devil does business.

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01:14:16.960 --> 01:14:19.520
<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, because he didn't like fine print laid it out.

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01:14:19.680 --> 01:14:21.720
<v Speaker 1>But I'm just saying, like if I was gonna have

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01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:23.920
<v Speaker 1>to go down that route, which I would not do this,

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01:14:24.319 --> 01:14:26.720
<v Speaker 1>but if I had to, I would definitely try to

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01:14:26.760 --> 01:14:29.399
<v Speaker 1>find a loophole in like, can I bring all the

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01:14:29.439 --> 01:14:31.800
<v Speaker 1>bad people to you? Like what if I hit every

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01:14:31.920 --> 01:14:35.920
<v Speaker 1>war and like just like reap souls like a valkyrie

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01:14:36.359 --> 01:14:38.439
<v Speaker 1>and just be like, hey, if I bring you like

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01:14:38.640 --> 01:14:41.000
<v Speaker 1>X amount of time, we just keep knocking off that chip.

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01:14:41.319 --> 01:14:42.600
<v Speaker 2>Valkyries weren't reapers.

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01:14:42.640 --> 01:14:43.680
<v Speaker 1>They were escorts.

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01:14:44.000 --> 01:14:46.000
<v Speaker 2>They were escorts, I know, but I was talking not

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01:14:46.439 --> 01:14:49.720
<v Speaker 2>of the prostitution type. I mean they were they.

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01:14:49.000 --> 01:14:51.880
<v Speaker 1>Well they cleared the battlefield, and so I was just

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01:14:51.920 --> 01:14:54.880
<v Speaker 1>simply saying, like if I cleared the battlefield, like that'd

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01:14:54.880 --> 01:14:57.800
<v Speaker 1>be cool. Dude. This book, though, that we're looking at,

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01:14:57.960 --> 01:15:00.479
<v Speaker 1>for those of you that cannot see it, is like

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<v Speaker 1>some wild out faces. It reminds me of the Vampire movie.

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01:15:04.279 --> 01:15:07.680
<v Speaker 2>It's oh God, oh you mean Twilight.

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01:15:08.199 --> 01:15:17.359
<v Speaker 1>No, the amount of shit on TikTok with Twilight is

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01:15:17.520 --> 01:15:19.279
<v Speaker 1>just because it's deserved.

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01:15:19.439 --> 01:15:23.680
<v Speaker 2>It's so good. It's so good. God. Anyway, anyway, moving

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01:15:23.720 --> 01:15:26.880
<v Speaker 2>on here, Uh every word I leave off in an

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01:15:26.880 --> 01:15:30.199
<v Speaker 2>ironic twist. Rather than enjoying the longevity he paid such

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01:15:30.239 --> 01:15:33.760
<v Speaker 2>a dear price for, Melmuth spends most of his years

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01:15:33.760 --> 01:15:36.039
<v Speaker 2>trying to find someone who will take over the pact

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01:15:36.279 --> 01:15:39.359
<v Speaker 2>so he doesn't have to fulfill his end. Portions of

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01:15:39.520 --> 01:15:43.079
<v Speaker 2>Morton's novel are told from the perspectives of various people

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01:15:43.119 --> 01:15:45.600
<v Speaker 2>that Melmoth has tried to tempt, but none of these

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01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:49.159
<v Speaker 2>ventures are successful. When Melmoth's one hundred and fifty years

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01:15:49.199 --> 01:15:51.359
<v Speaker 2>are up, he must succumbed to the fate he brought

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01:15:51.439 --> 01:15:53.520
<v Speaker 2>upon himself when he made the bargain.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like you could easily find somebody to take

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01:15:56.000 --> 01:15:58.560
<v Speaker 1>that over. You ever seen Drag Me to Health? Yes,

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01:15:58.800 --> 01:15:59.479
<v Speaker 1>it's just like that.

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<v Speaker 2>The gypsy woman cursed her and said in one year

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01:16:01.560 --> 01:16:03.359
<v Speaker 2>she's gone, so she kept trying to find who to

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<v Speaker 2>give it to.

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01:16:04.439 --> 01:16:06.319
<v Speaker 1>I feel like you could easily find somebody.

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01:16:07.640 --> 01:16:10.039
<v Speaker 2>I feel like in the moments, I might be like, yeah, sure,

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01:16:10.119 --> 01:16:12.319
<v Speaker 2>as soon as they molded over for a minute, be like, ugh,

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01:16:13.640 --> 01:16:15.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna like take super.

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01:16:15.720 --> 01:16:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Finding super desperate people, drug addicts.

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01:16:19.199 --> 01:16:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but even drug addicts don't want to spend a

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01:16:21.039 --> 01:16:22.800
<v Speaker 2>life an eternity and torment.

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<v Speaker 1>I would make it sound really nice. I like there's

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01:16:28.079 --> 01:16:32.159
<v Speaker 1>a sauna and the whole sales pitch for it. Yeah,

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01:16:32.199 --> 01:16:37.319
<v Speaker 1>there's a sauna, like like it's it's nice and toasty warm,

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01:16:37.840 --> 01:16:41.319
<v Speaker 1>like you know, so czy. There's like, you know, the

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01:16:41.399 --> 01:16:44.039
<v Speaker 1>ambiance in the background to put you to sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>The screams and the mashing of teeth.

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01:16:46.239 --> 01:16:48.760
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't say screams. I would just say the ambiance

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01:16:48.840 --> 01:16:50.359
<v Speaker 1>music in the background.

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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01:16:50.680 --> 01:16:52.920
<v Speaker 1>I make it look real nice and like, you know,

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01:16:53.119 --> 01:16:55.960
<v Speaker 1>it's a great place to go. The last example.

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<v Speaker 2>The last example of a more subtle Thausian bargain is

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01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:01.439
<v Speaker 2>Oscar Wilde's The Picture of.

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01:17:01.439 --> 01:17:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Dorian Gray from ah Acty Know This. Indeed.

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01:17:04.960 --> 01:17:08.479
<v Speaker 2>Indeed, while no demonic figure appears directly in the novel

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01:17:08.600 --> 01:17:12.560
<v Speaker 2>and forces Dorian to sign a literal contract, some unholy

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01:17:12.600 --> 01:17:15.000
<v Speaker 2>power is implied to be the cause of Dorian's supernatural

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01:17:15.039 --> 01:17:20.199
<v Speaker 2>link with his portrait. Dorian unwillingly, unwittingly makes a bargain win.

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01:17:20.399 --> 01:17:23.079
<v Speaker 2>Upon seeing the completed portrait for the first time, he

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01:17:23.199 --> 01:17:26.319
<v Speaker 2>murmurs to himself, if it were who I was, to

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01:17:26.359 --> 01:17:29.279
<v Speaker 2>be always young in the picture, that was to grow

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01:17:29.319 --> 01:17:33.600
<v Speaker 2>old for that, for that, I would give everything. Yes,

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01:17:33.640 --> 01:17:36.840
<v Speaker 2>there is nothing in this whole world I would not give.

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01:17:37.479 --> 01:17:40.520
<v Speaker 2>I would give my soul for that. Though no one

1450
01:17:40.640 --> 01:17:44.039
<v Speaker 2>but Basil or Basil and Lord Henry is around to

1451
01:17:44.079 --> 01:17:47.680
<v Speaker 2>hear this pronouncement, Dorian's wish is granted over time. As

1452
01:17:47.680 --> 01:17:51.880
<v Speaker 2>Dorian leads an increasingly immoral life, his portrait reflects not

1453
01:17:51.920 --> 01:17:55.119
<v Speaker 2>only his age, but his cruelty and moral corruption, while

1454
01:17:55.159 --> 01:17:58.119
<v Speaker 2>the living Dorian remains young and beautiful. Toward the end

1455
01:17:58.159 --> 01:18:00.319
<v Speaker 2>of the novel, Dorian tries to repent and turn his

1456
01:18:00.359 --> 01:18:03.439
<v Speaker 2>life around, but finds that the portrait is indeed his

1457
01:18:03.520 --> 01:18:07.800
<v Speaker 2>own morals or and indeed his own morals are already

1458
01:18:07.840 --> 01:18:10.760
<v Speaker 2>too far gone. In a fit of defiant rage, Dorian

1459
01:18:10.800 --> 01:18:14.520
<v Speaker 2>stabs the portrait, which results in his own death. While

1460
01:18:14.560 --> 01:18:18.079
<v Speaker 2>Dorian's fate in the afterlife is unstated, the youthful body's

1461
01:18:18.079 --> 01:18:22.840
<v Speaker 2>transformation into an ugly, withered corpse suggests that the consequences

1462
01:18:22.880 --> 01:18:25.880
<v Speaker 2>of his bargain have been visited upon him in death,

1463
01:18:26.479 --> 01:18:28.680
<v Speaker 2>as with his literary predecessors.

1464
01:18:29.319 --> 01:18:31.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's really nasty looking by the end of it.

1465
01:18:32.079 --> 01:18:35.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's another very famous trope, the whole Dorian

1466
01:18:35.119 --> 01:18:39.720
<v Speaker 2>Gray thing. Yeah. So anyway, moving on, there are other examples,

1467
01:18:40.079 --> 01:18:44.880
<v Speaker 2>real life examples of people who allegedly sold their soul

1468
01:18:45.000 --> 01:18:52.359
<v Speaker 2>to the devil for creative power, special abilities, wealth, fame, fortune.

1469
01:18:52.800 --> 01:18:53.800
<v Speaker 1>Is it alleged though?

1470
01:18:54.600 --> 01:18:58.600
<v Speaker 2>Some of these yes, some of these know you be

1471
01:18:58.680 --> 01:19:01.399
<v Speaker 2>the judge. One of these, as are still sticking to

1472
01:19:01.439 --> 01:19:05.439
<v Speaker 2>the historical side of things, is Niccolo Paganini. I might

1473
01:19:05.439 --> 01:19:07.520
<v Speaker 2>be mispronouncing the name of my apologies. Again, I speak

1474
01:19:07.560 --> 01:19:12.239
<v Speaker 2>American English, not Italian. Was such a gifted violinist. People

1475
01:19:12.319 --> 01:19:15.960
<v Speaker 2>thought he sold his soul to the devil. Born on

1476
01:19:16.119 --> 01:19:20.119
<v Speaker 2>October twenty seven, seventeen eighty two, in Genoa, Italy, Niccolo

1477
01:19:21.039 --> 01:19:23.960
<v Speaker 2>was an incredibly gifted musician and is widely considered one

1478
01:19:24.000 --> 01:19:26.840
<v Speaker 2>of the greatest violinists of all time. He started playing

1479
01:19:26.840 --> 01:19:29.920
<v Speaker 2>the mandolin at age five, before taking up the violin

1480
01:19:30.039 --> 01:19:33.479
<v Speaker 2>at age seven and giving his first public performance at

1481
01:19:33.520 --> 01:19:37.960
<v Speaker 2>age eleven in Genoa. He started playing the mandolin aged five,

1482
01:19:38.039 --> 01:19:40.840
<v Speaker 2>before taking up the violin at age seven and giving

1483
01:19:40.880 --> 01:19:44.000
<v Speaker 2>his first public performance at age eleven in Genoa. At

1484
01:19:44.000 --> 01:19:47.600
<v Speaker 2>the age of fifteen, the talented teenager started playing solo tours.

1485
01:19:48.039 --> 01:19:51.560
<v Speaker 2>The nineteenth century produced a number of extraordinary violinists, but

1486
01:19:51.640 --> 01:19:55.399
<v Speaker 2>none like Paganini. His talent was beyond or it was

1487
01:19:55.439 --> 01:19:57.800
<v Speaker 2>so beyond that of his peers that people started to

1488
01:19:57.800 --> 01:19:59.800
<v Speaker 2>believe that he had made a pact with the devil.

1489
01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:03.359
<v Speaker 2>It was even rumored by his mother or that his

1490
01:20:03.399 --> 01:20:05.439
<v Speaker 2>mother had sold his soul to the devil so he

1491
01:20:05.439 --> 01:20:10.439
<v Speaker 2>could become the greatest virtuaso in history violin player. So basically,

1492
01:20:10.600 --> 01:20:12.800
<v Speaker 2>there was rumors that he sold his soul, and there

1493
01:20:12.840 --> 01:20:16.199
<v Speaker 2>was rumors that his mom sold his soul for him.

1494
01:20:16.640 --> 01:20:19.239
<v Speaker 2>In all these things, there was actually a movie that

1495
01:20:19.359 --> 01:20:21.600
<v Speaker 2>was made about this. We're actually gonna watch the trailer

1496
01:20:21.640 --> 01:20:22.920
<v Speaker 2>here in a moment, but I want to give the

1497
01:20:22.960 --> 01:20:27.720
<v Speaker 2>whole script first. Age thirteen, Paganini was sent to study

1498
01:20:27.760 --> 01:20:32.279
<v Speaker 2>with the famous violinist and teacher Alessandro Rola. Rola quickly

1499
01:20:32.279 --> 01:20:35.119
<v Speaker 2>saw Paganini's talent and decided there was nothing else he

1500
01:20:35.159 --> 01:20:37.159
<v Speaker 2>could teach him, so he passed him on to his

1501
01:20:37.199 --> 01:20:41.720
<v Speaker 2>own teacher, Fernando Pierre or friend nan, Yeah, Ferdinando Pierre,

1502
01:20:42.359 --> 01:20:46.079
<v Speaker 2>who later referred him to his teacher Gespardo Gerretti. And

1503
01:20:46.119 --> 01:20:47.680
<v Speaker 2>if you don't know who these names are, they were

1504
01:20:47.720 --> 01:20:50.479
<v Speaker 2>fucking gangsters of their day and age. As far as

1505
01:20:50.560 --> 01:20:54.760
<v Speaker 2>musical performance goes, the young Paganini was clearly a child prodigy.

1506
01:20:55.079 --> 01:20:58.000
<v Speaker 2>When he was fifteen years old, Paganini embarked on solo

1507
01:20:58.000 --> 01:21:01.560
<v Speaker 2>tours and he had a breakdown and turned to alcoholism.

1508
01:21:01.720 --> 01:21:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Can we just talk about his nose? He was Italian

1509
01:21:04.960 --> 01:21:07.840
<v Speaker 1>and his chin. Look, he looks like a witch in

1510
01:21:07.920 --> 01:21:11.720
<v Speaker 1>that photo. He looks one hundred percent like a witch

1511
01:21:11.760 --> 01:21:13.800
<v Speaker 1>that you would find out in the middle of a forest.

1512
01:21:14.239 --> 01:21:17.960
<v Speaker 2>So there may be some things so why that is,

1513
01:21:18.039 --> 01:21:20.399
<v Speaker 2>but we'll talk about that. But yes, to your point.

1514
01:21:20.479 --> 01:21:23.039
<v Speaker 2>He does have a certain look about him. But also

1515
01:21:23.239 --> 01:21:25.319
<v Speaker 2>notice how large his hand is.

1516
01:21:26.399 --> 01:21:28.119
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say it was like his hand looks

1517
01:21:28.479 --> 01:21:32.920
<v Speaker 1>monstrous compared to the violin in his hand. His cheekbones

1518
01:21:32.960 --> 01:21:37.560
<v Speaker 1>are super intense, his jawline is like the most it's

1519
01:21:37.600 --> 01:21:40.000
<v Speaker 1>a look reminds me of that old boy that Inbread

1520
01:21:40.359 --> 01:21:44.680
<v Speaker 1>the King Old Habsburg. Dude. Yeah, but the jaw line, yeah,

1521
01:21:44.960 --> 01:21:48.680
<v Speaker 1>that's yeah, no, it's it's definitely for those of you

1522
01:21:48.760 --> 01:21:51.199
<v Speaker 1>that can't see it, Like his nose is an actual

1523
01:21:51.319 --> 01:21:55.159
<v Speaker 1>like witch hook and it is. It's pretty intense like

1524
01:21:55.439 --> 01:21:56.439
<v Speaker 1>angles going on.

1525
01:21:57.000 --> 01:21:59.279
<v Speaker 2>So this picture, as a matter of fact, says at

1526
01:21:59.279 --> 01:22:03.680
<v Speaker 2>the bottom, Nick Paganini or not, this is a famous fake,

1527
01:22:04.600 --> 01:22:09.279
<v Speaker 2>derogatory deragatype or early photograph of the violinist.

1528
01:22:09.680 --> 01:22:12.119
<v Speaker 1>So they think this might be him. So they pretty

1529
01:22:12.159 --> 01:22:16.720
<v Speaker 1>much probably you know, over exaggerated all of his features. Maybe.

1530
01:22:16.760 --> 01:22:18.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, photoshop was a thing even back then, but

1531
01:22:18.840 --> 01:22:22.199
<v Speaker 2>it was a lot more difficult to pull off. So

1532
01:22:22.720 --> 01:22:25.600
<v Speaker 2>this very well, maybe him, This very well, maybe somebody

1533
01:22:25.640 --> 01:22:30.000
<v Speaker 2>who was a favor medals and awards.

1534
01:22:30.119 --> 01:22:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I was wondering because I was like, those look

1535
01:22:32.039 --> 01:22:34.800
<v Speaker 1>like medals and awards for stuff. But I'm certain what

1536
01:22:34.840 --> 01:22:35.199
<v Speaker 1>they are.

1537
01:22:35.479 --> 01:22:38.239
<v Speaker 2>Very interesting, very astute of you, ravenly to see that.

1538
01:22:38.359 --> 01:22:40.039
<v Speaker 2>So the one around his neck we're going to talk

1539
01:22:40.039 --> 01:22:42.600
<v Speaker 2>about in a minute. He was actually a Knight of

1540
01:22:42.640 --> 01:22:48.279
<v Speaker 2>the Order of the Golden Spur, which is a Catholic knighthood. Okay,

1541
01:22:48.479 --> 01:22:51.399
<v Speaker 2>so there's okay, as far as knighthoods go, there are

1542
01:22:51.439 --> 01:22:54.600
<v Speaker 2>those that are given by kings and queens. Okay, there

1543
01:22:54.640 --> 01:22:59.600
<v Speaker 2>are papal bulls, popes that pope will make an edict

1544
01:22:59.800 --> 01:23:02.479
<v Speaker 2>for lack of better words, there are orders of knighthood

1545
01:23:02.520 --> 01:23:05.560
<v Speaker 2>within the Catholic Church. The Order of the Golden Spurs

1546
01:23:05.720 --> 01:23:09.920
<v Speaker 2>is like the second highest order of knights within the

1547
01:23:09.960 --> 01:23:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Catholic Church. And somehow they still thought that this dude

1548
01:23:13.159 --> 01:23:17.600
<v Speaker 2>was had sold us, sold to the devil. The only

1549
01:23:18.880 --> 01:23:22.520
<v Speaker 2>wil out maybe the only order of knighthood higher, if

1550
01:23:22.560 --> 01:23:25.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm not mistaken, is the Supreme Order of Christ. I

1551
01:23:26.079 --> 01:23:29.560
<v Speaker 2>think I'm not a Catholic. I'm faintly familiar with some

1552
01:23:29.600 --> 01:23:30.119
<v Speaker 2>of these orders.

1553
01:23:30.119 --> 01:23:32.159
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's worse Tony when we need him.

1554
01:23:32.199 --> 01:23:36.479
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, right, Well he's he's a Knight of Columbus,

1555
01:23:37.000 --> 01:23:37.760
<v Speaker 2>so I know.

1556
01:23:37.840 --> 01:23:40.359
<v Speaker 1>But he has like so much knowledge, Yeah, he does

1557
01:23:40.399 --> 01:23:42.800
<v Speaker 1>I will say I feel very stupid a lot of

1558
01:23:42.800 --> 01:23:45.359
<v Speaker 1>times when I listen Tony, I'm like, I go read

1559
01:23:45.359 --> 01:23:45.800
<v Speaker 1>a book.

1560
01:23:45.880 --> 01:23:48.399
<v Speaker 2>The dude is just his brain is like an encyclopedia.

1561
01:23:48.760 --> 01:23:50.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, wild thing reminds me of Luke too.

1562
01:23:51.119 --> 01:23:54.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Oh my god. Luke's brain operates at levels that

1563
01:23:54.199 --> 01:23:56.119
<v Speaker 2>I hope I can get to one day, but like,

1564
01:23:56.680 --> 01:23:57.920
<v Speaker 2>I just know it's not gonna happen.

1565
01:23:57.960 --> 01:24:00.760
<v Speaker 1>I do want to talk to Luke and like point

1566
01:24:00.760 --> 01:24:02.720
<v Speaker 1>me in the direction and then I'll watch a lot

1567
01:24:02.760 --> 01:24:05.720
<v Speaker 1>of YouTube videos and read and then like maybe I'll

1568
01:24:05.720 --> 01:24:08.119
<v Speaker 1>feel somewhat intelligent when I talk to you.

1569
01:24:08.359 --> 01:24:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes, indeed, alright to getting back to it. The violinists

1570
01:24:11.000 --> 01:24:14.279
<v Speaker 2>fame slowly turned him into a heavy gambler, drinker, and

1571
01:24:14.319 --> 01:24:18.319
<v Speaker 2>a serial womanizer, As fame and fortune has been one

1572
01:24:18.359 --> 01:24:20.640
<v Speaker 2>to do to many a dude with a lot of

1573
01:24:20.840 --> 01:24:24.439
<v Speaker 2>extra spending money. A rumor even spread that Paganini had

1574
01:24:24.520 --> 01:24:28.439
<v Speaker 2>murdered a woman, used her intestines as violin strings, and

1575
01:24:28.479 --> 01:24:32.319
<v Speaker 2>imprisoned her soul within the instrument. Women's screams were said

1576
01:24:32.359 --> 01:24:36.079
<v Speaker 2>to be heard from his violin when he performed on stage.

1577
01:24:38.119 --> 01:24:42.199
<v Speaker 1>Wow. Wait, that's a bull claim, Cotton, Mike. You also know.

1578
01:24:42.279 --> 01:24:44.239
<v Speaker 2>That's the difference between a violin and a fiddle.

1579
01:24:45.000 --> 01:24:47.560
<v Speaker 1>Is the intestines, right is yeah.

1580
01:24:47.479 --> 01:24:50.159
<v Speaker 2>Cat intestines. Yeah yeah, I can't believe that they were

1581
01:24:50.159 --> 01:24:52.399
<v Speaker 2>actually using that as string, but like that is the thing.

1582
01:24:53.600 --> 01:24:56.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've never heard of a woman's intestines being

1583
01:24:56.760 --> 01:24:58.920
<v Speaker 2>used before. But all right, we got a we got

1584
01:24:58.920 --> 01:25:01.079
<v Speaker 2>against up in here or gain whatever his name was,

1585
01:25:01.199 --> 01:25:04.920
<v Speaker 2>ed Gainst against the serial murderer, that being furniture out

1586
01:25:04.920 --> 01:25:06.119
<v Speaker 2>a cloat of skin and shit.

1587
01:25:06.600 --> 01:25:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1588
01:25:07.000 --> 01:25:10.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, anyway, so we don't know if that's true or not.

1589
01:25:10.319 --> 01:25:13.640
<v Speaker 2>That is a claim. One thing was for sure. Paganini's

1590
01:25:13.640 --> 01:25:16.199
<v Speaker 2>skill in the violin was unparalleled. He was one of

1591
01:25:16.239 --> 01:25:19.760
<v Speaker 2>the first solo violinists to perform publicly without sheet music,

1592
01:25:19.960 --> 01:25:24.760
<v Speaker 2>choosing instead to memorize everything known, particularly for his fiendish

1593
01:25:24.880 --> 01:25:29.800
<v Speaker 2>twenty four caprices for solo violin. Paganini helped popularize certain

1594
01:25:29.880 --> 01:25:34.199
<v Speaker 2>string techniques such as bo bounces, as well as left

1595
01:25:34.199 --> 01:25:37.479
<v Speaker 2>handed and harmonics, which was crazy for the day and

1596
01:25:37.520 --> 01:25:41.119
<v Speaker 2>age because there's only right hand and demonic hand in

1597
01:25:41.159 --> 01:25:43.319
<v Speaker 2>the Middle Ages. Oh, they used to beat kids for

1598
01:25:43.439 --> 01:25:44.319
<v Speaker 2>writing left handed.

1599
01:25:45.119 --> 01:25:48.159
<v Speaker 1>Man, I would have been so fucked in so many ways.

1600
01:25:48.319 --> 01:25:50.880
<v Speaker 2>You've never heard like the left hand path, because the

1601
01:25:50.920 --> 01:25:51.520
<v Speaker 2>devil's path.

1602
01:25:51.640 --> 01:25:54.079
<v Speaker 1>No, I know, yeah, I'm also left handed, I know,

1603
01:25:54.159 --> 01:25:56.560
<v Speaker 1>I know, yeah, And it's actually like a treat in

1604
01:25:56.560 --> 01:25:58.960
<v Speaker 1>my family. We have a lot of left handed people

1605
01:25:58.960 --> 01:25:59.560
<v Speaker 1>in my family.

1606
01:26:00.199 --> 01:26:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Back in the Middle Ages, y'all would have just been

1607
01:26:02.000 --> 01:26:04.680
<v Speaker 2>a hole. They just would have blasted all as Satanists.

1608
01:26:05.840 --> 01:26:07.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know if I'd probably make it to

1609
01:26:07.600 --> 01:26:10.960
<v Speaker 1>even adulthood. Like, let's be really honest, Like, I don't

1610
01:26:11.439 --> 01:26:14.399
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that would have been your face.

1611
01:26:15.199 --> 01:26:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Fuck man, Maybe you don't know really, maybe maybe your

1612
01:26:20.000 --> 01:26:22.159
<v Speaker 2>dad would have like made a deal with the wealthy

1613
01:26:22.159 --> 01:26:24.800
<v Speaker 2>aristocrat and married you off early, and like he would

1614
01:26:24.800 --> 01:26:27.319
<v Speaker 2>have just treated you amazingly. I could see that going

1615
01:26:27.319 --> 01:26:32.520
<v Speaker 2>well for you. You know, we're talking to Middle Ages, Okay,

1616
01:26:32.640 --> 01:26:33.479
<v Speaker 2>this is not today.

1617
01:26:34.359 --> 01:26:37.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean I would have me being like Countess to Winter,

1618
01:26:41.920 --> 01:26:43.840
<v Speaker 1>you know. Yeah, for those of you that don't know

1619
01:26:43.880 --> 01:26:47.520
<v Speaker 1>three Musketeer reference. She But to be fair, she had

1620
01:26:47.520 --> 01:26:51.439
<v Speaker 1>a reason why she killed her husband, so it was

1621
01:26:51.439 --> 01:26:54.119
<v Speaker 1>at least a decent reason. We're gonna go back. We're

1622
01:26:54.119 --> 01:26:56.520
<v Speaker 1>gonna go but like, I'm not gonna be imprisoned by

1623
01:26:57.079 --> 01:26:57.560
<v Speaker 1>no man.

1624
01:26:57.720 --> 01:27:00.479
<v Speaker 2>Back in the day, it didn't have to be prison.

1625
01:27:00.680 --> 01:27:03.720
<v Speaker 1>It could be because they were so great to their women.

1626
01:27:03.960 --> 01:27:06.520
<v Speaker 2>There are examples, not a lot of them, but there

1627
01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:10.479
<v Speaker 2>are examples of men who have treated their wives amazingly

1628
01:27:10.520 --> 01:27:15.760
<v Speaker 2>throughout the course of history. There are more examples of

1629
01:27:15.920 --> 01:27:19.720
<v Speaker 2>men who were absolute bastards to their women throughout the

1630
01:27:19.720 --> 01:27:22.000
<v Speaker 2>course of history. I'm not gonna say that it's like

1631
01:27:22.119 --> 01:27:25.079
<v Speaker 2>an even fifty to fifty spread here by any stretch,

1632
01:27:25.439 --> 01:27:27.840
<v Speaker 2>but like, you may have been lucky. You may have

1633
01:27:27.840 --> 01:27:29.239
<v Speaker 2>got a shot.

1634
01:27:29.840 --> 01:27:33.800
<v Speaker 1>Sure maybe with my left handed ways you would have

1635
01:27:33.800 --> 01:27:37.840
<v Speaker 1>had to hide that in my mouth of my opinions.

1636
01:27:39.199 --> 01:27:41.279
<v Speaker 2>Some men found that fetching in their women.

1637
01:27:44.319 --> 01:27:47.279
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, good cult members. Thank god. We are in

1638
01:27:47.359 --> 01:27:49.720
<v Speaker 1>the day and age, thank god where we can have.

1639
01:27:52.159 --> 01:27:55.079
<v Speaker 2>Wow, what God?

1640
01:27:55.439 --> 01:27:58.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's pretty Jesus and shit, you know the female

1641
01:27:59.000 --> 01:28:01.199
<v Speaker 1>members who call their like you know, you might be

1642
01:28:01.239 --> 01:28:06.039
<v Speaker 1>a tadbit sexist. Oh come, it's clear that this is

1643
01:28:06.079 --> 01:28:07.800
<v Speaker 1>all in Yes, it totally is.

1644
01:28:08.039 --> 01:28:09.680
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, now, in the Middle Ages, I don't know

1645
01:28:09.720 --> 01:28:11.239
<v Speaker 2>how that would have worked out for you. To be honest,

1646
01:28:11.279 --> 01:28:12.359
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how that would have worked out for

1647
01:28:12.399 --> 01:28:12.840
<v Speaker 2>me either.

1648
01:28:13.399 --> 01:28:16.199
<v Speaker 1>Really, what you'd be like, I am a knight.

1649
01:28:18.159 --> 01:28:20.720
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't born into it. I know I would have

1650
01:28:20.720 --> 01:28:22.960
<v Speaker 2>been a part of the peasantry, to be fair.

1651
01:28:23.159 --> 01:28:27.600
<v Speaker 1>Out of the two of us, technically, lineage wise, I'm

1652
01:28:27.720 --> 01:28:29.279
<v Speaker 1>more aristocratic than you.

1653
01:28:29.439 --> 01:28:32.399
<v Speaker 2>Right. Yeah, I said your dad might have married you

1654
01:28:32.479 --> 01:28:34.520
<v Speaker 2>off to a wealthy aristocrat to strengthen ties.

1655
01:28:34.680 --> 01:28:36.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that's fair. I probably would have been

1656
01:28:37.000 --> 01:28:37.960
<v Speaker 1>married off, y'all.

1657
01:28:38.199 --> 01:28:41.119
<v Speaker 2>I would have been lucky to get an apprenticeship with

1658
01:28:41.159 --> 01:28:42.399
<v Speaker 2>the local blacksmith guild.

1659
01:28:42.479 --> 01:28:45.159
<v Speaker 1>Yes, if you're gonna be very shoving some whole shit,

1660
01:28:45.479 --> 01:28:50.760
<v Speaker 1>very possibly, maybe you could be an old boys what's

1661
01:28:50.760 --> 01:28:56.159
<v Speaker 1>his name? Old boys next to victim or something. Oh, oh, paginie. Yeah,

1662
01:28:56.239 --> 01:28:58.920
<v Speaker 1>oh my god. He was after women, not men.

1663
01:28:59.279 --> 01:29:03.159
<v Speaker 2>Good God, who knows? I get don't fuck it anyway,

1664
01:29:03.720 --> 01:29:06.239
<v Speaker 2>So going on, it says we talked about that one.

1665
01:29:06.279 --> 01:29:08.760
<v Speaker 2>It is said that he could play twelve notes per second,

1666
01:29:09.319 --> 01:29:12.840
<v Speaker 2>a feat later achieved by violinist David Garrett, who played

1667
01:29:12.840 --> 01:29:16.079
<v Speaker 2>Panini on The Devil's Violinists, a twenty thirteen film based

1668
01:29:16.119 --> 01:29:18.279
<v Speaker 2>on the composer's life story. So keep in mind, this

1669
01:29:18.359 --> 01:29:20.760
<v Speaker 2>dude was doing things that could not be matched until

1670
01:29:20.800 --> 01:29:21.600
<v Speaker 2>twenty thirteen.

1671
01:29:22.640 --> 01:29:26.239
<v Speaker 1>That's insane. Yeah, that's insane. I would have honestly wanted

1672
01:29:26.239 --> 01:29:28.359
<v Speaker 1>to see this guy yeah perform.

1673
01:29:28.800 --> 01:29:33.680
<v Speaker 2>So the devil incarnate Pagini or Paganini whatever, was a

1674
01:29:33.720 --> 01:29:37.000
<v Speaker 2>striking man with hollow cheeks, pale skin, and thin lips.

1675
01:29:37.279 --> 01:29:39.960
<v Speaker 2>He was very tall and thin, and often dressed in black.

1676
01:29:40.359 --> 01:29:43.119
<v Speaker 2>He also had very long, thin fingers, and without a

1677
01:29:43.159 --> 01:29:46.800
<v Speaker 2>restriction of performing with the sheet music, he flailed about

1678
01:29:46.880 --> 01:29:50.479
<v Speaker 2>on stage, earning him the nickname rubber Man. It is

1679
01:29:50.560 --> 01:29:54.239
<v Speaker 2>now believed that Paganini's unusual finger length, which allowed him

1680
01:29:54.239 --> 01:29:58.199
<v Speaker 2>to play three octaves in one handspan, which is fucking insane,

1681
01:29:59.159 --> 01:30:03.840
<v Speaker 2>was due to Marfan syndrome, a genetic disorder. Equally, his

1682
01:30:03.920 --> 01:30:06.920
<v Speaker 2>ability to play in it critical speeds could be attributed

1683
01:30:06.920 --> 01:30:11.239
<v Speaker 2>to Elser's Dan Louis syndrome, a disorder which caused increased

1684
01:30:11.520 --> 01:30:16.960
<v Speaker 2>flexibility and lack of coordination, which also might so he

1685
01:30:17.000 --> 01:30:19.680
<v Speaker 2>had like balance issues and shit, I don't know. The

1686
01:30:19.760 --> 01:30:23.000
<v Speaker 2>violin was also regarded by some as the Devil's instrument,

1687
01:30:23.520 --> 01:30:26.119
<v Speaker 2>So all in all, it's not surprising that rumors about

1688
01:30:26.159 --> 01:30:28.920
<v Speaker 2>a deal with the devil started circulating. Some even thought

1689
01:30:28.920 --> 01:30:32.680
<v Speaker 2>Paganini could, or yeah, Paganini could be the devil himself.

1690
01:30:33.600 --> 01:30:35.840
<v Speaker 1>I man, this guy can't win for losing. He's just

1691
01:30:35.920 --> 01:30:39.279
<v Speaker 1>like an epic artist and they're just like Yep, the Devil, clearly,

1692
01:30:39.560 --> 01:30:40.880
<v Speaker 1>clearly the Devil.

1693
01:30:40.720 --> 01:30:42.920
<v Speaker 2>And I could also envision a world where this might

1694
01:30:42.960 --> 01:30:45.159
<v Speaker 2>be the basis for the Devil went down to Georgia.

1695
01:30:46.399 --> 01:30:47.840
<v Speaker 2>It had a playoff with fiddles.

1696
01:30:49.079 --> 01:30:51.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Adam love violin. I think it's such

1697
01:30:51.279 --> 01:30:52.319
<v Speaker 1>a beautiful instrument.

1698
01:30:52.560 --> 01:30:56.199
<v Speaker 2>Same. Uh. One of the first rumors came out of

1699
01:30:56.239 --> 01:30:59.279
<v Speaker 2>a concert in Vienna, where one audience member said they

1700
01:30:59.319 --> 01:31:02.479
<v Speaker 2>thought they had seen the Devil helping Paganini play. People

1701
01:31:02.560 --> 01:31:05.840
<v Speaker 2>soon began claiming to have doppelgangers of Paganini with horns

1702
01:31:05.880 --> 01:31:07.079
<v Speaker 2>and hooves.

1703
01:31:07.520 --> 01:31:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, obviously, because he looks so different compared to other people,

1704
01:31:11.039 --> 01:31:14.039
<v Speaker 1>and he's off balance and everything else and anything that

1705
01:31:14.159 --> 01:31:17.159
<v Speaker 1>was out of the realm of perfection or normal. He

1706
01:31:17.279 --> 01:31:18.319
<v Speaker 1>was considered of the Devil.

1707
01:31:18.560 --> 01:31:21.039
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. He was even said that the Devil once made

1708
01:31:21.159 --> 01:31:24.800
<v Speaker 2>lightning strike the end of Paganini's bow during a performance.

1709
01:31:26.399 --> 01:31:28.239
<v Speaker 1>That's a bold claim.

1710
01:31:28.359 --> 01:31:30.199
<v Speaker 2>It's a very bold claim that bow would have been

1711
01:31:30.199 --> 01:31:33.479
<v Speaker 2>blown apart, but sure anyway, So how did he die?

1712
01:31:34.199 --> 01:31:36.199
<v Speaker 2>He was sickly for much of his later life. He

1713
01:31:36.239 --> 01:31:39.279
<v Speaker 2>contracted syphilis in eighteen twenty two, you know, as one does,

1714
01:31:39.319 --> 01:31:43.199
<v Speaker 2>who's a prolific womanizer. Yeah, which was treated with mercury,

1715
01:31:43.520 --> 01:31:48.680
<v Speaker 2>leading to further health problems. Again, these people, they really

1716
01:31:48.720 --> 01:31:53.000
<v Speaker 2>loved their mercury. In eighteen thirty four, he caught tuberculosis

1717
01:31:53.079 --> 01:31:55.920
<v Speaker 2>and recovered shortly after, but later that year he found

1718
01:31:56.000 --> 01:31:58.920
<v Speaker 2>himself getting weaker and decided to retire from public performance

1719
01:31:59.000 --> 01:32:02.600
<v Speaker 2>aged fifty four, and spent his last year's teaching the violin.

1720
01:32:03.079 --> 01:32:06.439
<v Speaker 2>Paganini died of larynx cancer on the twenty seventh of

1721
01:32:06.520 --> 01:32:09.640
<v Speaker 2>May eighteen forty in Nice, France. Before his death, he

1722
01:32:09.680 --> 01:32:12.880
<v Speaker 2>turned away a priest offering him last rites, the final

1723
01:32:12.920 --> 01:32:15.920
<v Speaker 2>prayers Catholics receive at the end of their lives, which

1724
01:32:15.960 --> 01:32:18.119
<v Speaker 2>of course would tie into them believing that he was

1725
01:32:18.560 --> 01:32:20.880
<v Speaker 2>possessed by a demon. Why would you turn away a

1726
01:32:20.920 --> 01:32:23.680
<v Speaker 2>priest who's trying to pray for you, you're Satanist.

1727
01:32:24.239 --> 01:32:25.079
<v Speaker 1>Paganini said.

1728
01:32:25.119 --> 01:32:27.479
<v Speaker 2>He turned the priest away because he thought he was

1729
01:32:27.560 --> 01:32:29.720
<v Speaker 2>going to die, or he thought he wasn't going to die,

1730
01:32:30.399 --> 01:32:32.920
<v Speaker 2>So he's like, no, don't be even my last rites, brother, I'm.

1731
01:32:32.760 --> 01:32:33.479
<v Speaker 1>Gonna be fine here.

1732
01:32:34.840 --> 01:32:37.199
<v Speaker 2>But those that believe he was in league with the

1733
01:32:37.199 --> 01:32:41.319
<v Speaker 2>devil didn't buy this explanation. A week later, Paganini died

1734
01:32:41.359 --> 01:32:44.319
<v Speaker 2>without receiving last rites, and his local church refused to

1735
01:32:44.359 --> 01:32:49.079
<v Speaker 2>bury his body or or body on consecrated grounds, even

1736
01:32:49.119 --> 01:32:51.239
<v Speaker 2>though he was a member of the Order of the

1737
01:32:51.279 --> 01:32:57.079
<v Speaker 2>Golden Spur. That's insane, Like you're such a level of

1738
01:32:58.159 --> 01:33:00.960
<v Speaker 2>knighthood with the Catholic Church and the only way you're

1739
01:33:00.960 --> 01:33:03.520
<v Speaker 2>getting that is if you have done so much for

1740
01:33:03.600 --> 01:33:08.000
<v Speaker 2>either a the faith or b the Catholic Church. And

1741
01:33:08.000 --> 01:33:08.640
<v Speaker 2>it's not like he was.

1742
01:33:08.680 --> 01:33:12.359
<v Speaker 1>Paying completely devout and they still wouldn't even bury his

1743
01:33:12.439 --> 01:33:15.399
<v Speaker 1>body on consecrated ground, which is such a thing.

1744
01:33:15.800 --> 01:33:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Well for a bit anyway, Over the next four years,

1745
01:33:18.880 --> 01:33:22.279
<v Speaker 2>his corpse would be transported to an extraordinary tour of Europe.

1746
01:33:22.399 --> 01:33:25.439
<v Speaker 2>His involved body was later left on a deathbed in

1747
01:33:25.560 --> 01:33:27.920
<v Speaker 2>Nice for two months before it was transferred to the

1748
01:33:27.960 --> 01:33:30.800
<v Speaker 2>cellar house or the cellar of the house, where it

1749
01:33:30.840 --> 01:33:34.039
<v Speaker 2>remained for over a year. After his local church refused

1750
01:33:34.039 --> 01:33:36.159
<v Speaker 2>to bury him. His body was later taken to an

1751
01:33:36.199 --> 01:33:39.600
<v Speaker 2>abandoned lepper house before being moved to a cement vet

1752
01:33:39.720 --> 01:33:42.880
<v Speaker 2>in an olive oil factory and later to a private house.

1753
01:33:42.960 --> 01:33:45.199
<v Speaker 1>Your niece, my God, he got around.

1754
01:33:45.560 --> 01:33:47.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh you think that's crazy. You ever looked at

1755
01:33:47.680 --> 01:33:50.640
<v Speaker 2>what happened to Abe Lincoln's corpse? No, he moved the

1756
01:33:50.640 --> 01:33:52.039
<v Speaker 2>body nine fucking times.

1757
01:33:52.840 --> 01:33:54.760
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I had no idea.

1758
01:33:54.560 --> 01:33:56.479
<v Speaker 2>That they like re exumed it. They had people open

1759
01:33:56.560 --> 01:33:58.600
<v Speaker 2>up the casket just to see if it was really

1760
01:33:58.640 --> 01:34:00.640
<v Speaker 2>Lincoln in there. And it's like, brother, why what.

1761
01:34:00.680 --> 01:34:04.159
<v Speaker 1>The going all around?

1762
01:34:04.439 --> 01:34:07.439
<v Speaker 2>After four years, or almost four years after his death,

1763
01:34:07.479 --> 01:34:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Pope Gregory the sixteenth allowed the Violinist's body to be

1764
01:34:11.039 --> 01:34:14.079
<v Speaker 2>transported to Genoa, and he was finallylaid to rest at

1765
01:34:14.239 --> 01:34:18.560
<v Speaker 2>La Villetta Cemetery in Parma, Italy, some two hundred kilometers

1766
01:34:18.560 --> 01:34:20.119
<v Speaker 2>from his birthplace in Genoa.

1767
01:34:21.439 --> 01:34:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Wow, at least somebody finally let the old boy rest.

1768
01:34:24.159 --> 01:34:27.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean finally. That being said, I do want to

1769
01:34:27.720 --> 01:34:30.920
<v Speaker 2>go ahead and play this clip, this movie clip of

1770
01:34:31.000 --> 01:34:34.439
<v Speaker 2>this uh, this movie The Devil's Violinist. And I'm gonna

1771
01:34:34.439 --> 01:34:37.239
<v Speaker 2>be honest, I didn't even know this movie existed. I

1772
01:34:37.359 --> 01:34:40.359
<v Speaker 2>really want to see it, like you'll you'll see why

1773
01:34:40.359 --> 01:34:40.920
<v Speaker 2>here in a moment.

1774
01:34:40.920 --> 01:34:42.479
<v Speaker 1>But let's let's check it out together.

1775
01:34:47.119 --> 01:34:51.399
<v Speaker 2>You are an innovator. In your hands is an orchestra.

1776
01:34:52.880 --> 01:34:55.960
<v Speaker 1>He can play an entire concerto just on the grain.

1777
01:34:57.960 --> 01:34:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Commit to me and I would have you top of

1778
01:34:59.880 --> 01:35:03.359
<v Speaker 2>this billet. Brown to London, smash this world to bets.

1779
01:35:07.479 --> 01:35:12.680
<v Speaker 1>The press are obsessed with the Italian mastro. I'm looking

1780
01:35:12.720 --> 01:35:14.279
<v Speaker 1>for the right person to sing this area.

1781
01:35:14.600 --> 01:35:17.079
<v Speaker 2>Would you do me the honors and try it? Please?

1782
01:35:19.159 --> 01:35:31.159
<v Speaker 1>Deep? Who is surreal you? I don't want many people

1783
01:35:31.159 --> 01:35:38.800
<v Speaker 1>to know me. I left your music sweep everything I feel.

1784
01:35:39.279 --> 01:35:40.079
<v Speaker 1>I am.

1785
01:35:40.319 --> 01:35:42.800
<v Speaker 2>I want to be I put into music.

1786
01:35:48.720 --> 01:35:53.720
<v Speaker 1>This trainy is a notorious seducer. How he worships together.

1787
01:35:54.920 --> 01:36:05.199
<v Speaker 2>Lose it? To my eyes, I have not the devil.

1788
01:36:05.720 --> 01:36:12.960
<v Speaker 2>I serve the devil. Are my masters? Your life, it's

1789
01:36:13.079 --> 01:36:16.680
<v Speaker 2>my life.

1790
01:36:18.000 --> 01:36:18.960
<v Speaker 1>I totally want to watch it.

1791
01:36:19.079 --> 01:36:20.279
<v Speaker 2>I really want to watch that movie.

1792
01:36:20.319 --> 01:36:23.479
<v Speaker 1>It actually looks really good. Like right, it does look

1793
01:36:23.520 --> 01:36:24.760
<v Speaker 1>really good. I'm not gonna lie.

1794
01:36:24.960 --> 01:36:28.680
<v Speaker 2>And that the actor is the violinist who was able

1795
01:36:28.720 --> 01:36:33.880
<v Speaker 2>to actually match his record. Really yes, so the actor

1796
01:36:33.960 --> 01:36:37.840
<v Speaker 2>himself can actually produce that same Uh? What was it?

1797
01:36:38.319 --> 01:36:39.960
<v Speaker 2>I want to get the numbers wrong here, but it

1798
01:36:40.039 --> 01:36:43.720
<v Speaker 2>was like twelve something twelve notes per second. Twelve notes. Okay,

1799
01:36:44.479 --> 01:36:49.479
<v Speaker 2>that's insanity. God given talent, or by some people's account,

1800
01:36:49.800 --> 01:36:53.199
<v Speaker 2>the devil gifted talent I don't know, but anyway, anyway,

1801
01:36:53.840 --> 01:36:57.920
<v Speaker 2>So now we shift over to another musical genius, at

1802
01:36:57.960 --> 01:37:01.399
<v Speaker 2>one point in time apparently sold his soul to the devil.

1803
01:37:01.680 --> 01:37:05.039
<v Speaker 2>This is the story of Tartini. Let's talk about him now.

1804
01:37:05.520 --> 01:37:09.239
<v Speaker 2>On the night one night in seventeen thirteen, an Italian

1805
01:37:09.319 --> 01:37:13.880
<v Speaker 2>violin maestro Giuseppe Tartini had the strangest dream he dreamt,

1806
01:37:13.960 --> 01:37:16.600
<v Speaker 2>the devil appeared and offered to be both his servant

1807
01:37:16.720 --> 01:37:20.560
<v Speaker 2>and master. Seduced by such a prospect, Tartini had no

1808
01:37:20.600 --> 01:37:23.800
<v Speaker 2>hesitation in selling Satan his soul. The devil asked Tartian

1809
01:37:23.800 --> 01:37:26.960
<v Speaker 2>to give him a music lesson, which the maestro did,

1810
01:37:27.159 --> 01:37:31.039
<v Speaker 2>demonstrating the evil one, or demonstrating to the evil one

1811
01:37:31.199 --> 01:37:33.600
<v Speaker 2>the magnificent skill he'd built through the years.

1812
01:37:33.359 --> 01:37:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Of learning, practice, and performance.

1813
01:37:35.279 --> 01:37:37.840
<v Speaker 2>Tartini then passed the devil his violin to see if

1814
01:37:37.880 --> 01:37:40.439
<v Speaker 2>the fiend could reproduce any of what he'd been taught.

1815
01:37:40.720 --> 01:37:43.399
<v Speaker 2>The devil confidently took up the instrument, and Tartini was

1816
01:37:43.520 --> 01:37:47.479
<v Speaker 2>astounded when he began to play with incredible virtuosity wow,

1817
01:37:48.279 --> 01:37:51.920
<v Speaker 2>delivering a performance which was powerful and intense, but exquisitely

1818
01:37:51.960 --> 01:37:56.199
<v Speaker 2>tasteful and executed with the most breathtaking precision. The Devil's

1819
01:37:56.199 --> 01:38:00.439
<v Speaker 2>playing easily surpassed even Tartini's brilliance. Tartini stared at the fiend,

1820
01:38:00.479 --> 01:38:03.720
<v Speaker 2>his mouth dropped open. Time seemed to halt as the

1821
01:38:03.760 --> 01:38:07.279
<v Speaker 2>most amazing music poured from the violin. This story is

1822
01:38:07.319 --> 01:38:11.760
<v Speaker 2>recounted in Giuseppe Tartini's own words in Jerome Landell's book

1823
01:38:11.880 --> 01:38:15.720
<v Speaker 2>Voyage du Francais and Atli in seventeen sixty nine, the

1824
01:38:15.720 --> 01:38:19.399
<v Speaker 2>book was written this is a direct quote. One night

1825
01:38:19.439 --> 01:38:21.039
<v Speaker 2>I dreamed I made a pact of the devil for

1826
01:38:21.119 --> 01:38:23.960
<v Speaker 2>my soul. Everything went as I wished. My new servant

1827
01:38:24.000 --> 01:38:27.119
<v Speaker 2>anticipated my every desire. Among other things, I gave him

1828
01:38:27.119 --> 01:38:29.960
<v Speaker 2>my violin to see if he could play it. Basically

1829
01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:33.159
<v Speaker 2>is direct quote from what we literally just read now.

1830
01:38:33.840 --> 01:38:37.760
<v Speaker 2>But how does this nocturnal vision affect Giuseppe Tartini. Was

1831
01:38:37.800 --> 01:38:40.359
<v Speaker 2>his experience of soul selling merely a bizarre dream or

1832
01:38:40.359 --> 01:38:43.000
<v Speaker 2>did it spill over into his waking life, adding a

1833
01:38:43.239 --> 01:38:46.760
<v Speaker 2>sulfurous tinge to his music? And is there any evidence

1834
01:38:46.760 --> 01:38:51.399
<v Speaker 2>Tartini genuinely entered into a diabolical pact bartering his soul

1835
01:38:51.479 --> 01:38:55.720
<v Speaker 2>for success, fame, and musical mastery. Let's see the moment

1836
01:38:55.760 --> 01:38:58.000
<v Speaker 2>he woke up, Tartini reached for the violin lying by

1837
01:38:58.000 --> 01:39:01.560
<v Speaker 2>his bag, eat, eager to recreate the Devil's Tomb. Tartini

1838
01:39:01.640 --> 01:39:04.880
<v Speaker 2>was probably in that state in which the worlds of

1839
01:39:04.920 --> 01:39:10.079
<v Speaker 2>wakefulness and dreams mingle, in which sleep's fantastical logic floats

1840
01:39:10.079 --> 01:39:14.640
<v Speaker 2>above the solid and pross prosaic prosaic. With the devil's

1841
01:39:14.640 --> 01:39:18.279
<v Speaker 2>notes echoing faintly in his head. Tartini drowsily fingers fumbled

1842
01:39:18.399 --> 01:39:22.000
<v Speaker 2>the strings as he strove to delve back into his dream. However,

1843
01:39:22.039 --> 01:39:25.119
<v Speaker 2>as Tartini puts it, his attempts were in vain. The

1844
01:39:25.239 --> 01:39:27.920
<v Speaker 2>music which I at this time composed is indeed the

1845
01:39:27.920 --> 01:39:30.800
<v Speaker 2>best I ever wrote. But the difference between it and

1846
01:39:31.079 --> 01:39:34.199
<v Speaker 2>that which so moved me so great that I would

1847
01:39:34.319 --> 01:39:37.159
<v Speaker 2>have destroyed my instrument and said farewell to music forever,

1848
01:39:37.560 --> 01:39:39.800
<v Speaker 2>if it had been possible for me to live without

1849
01:39:39.840 --> 01:39:43.159
<v Speaker 2>the enjoyment it affords me. Out of his efforts to

1850
01:39:43.199 --> 01:39:47.560
<v Speaker 2>remember the diabolically brilliant Tomb, Tartini did produce an impressive

1851
01:39:47.720 --> 01:39:52.319
<v Speaker 2>and technically demanding piece of music, his violin Sonata in

1852
01:39:52.399 --> 01:39:56.920
<v Speaker 2>G minor, otherwise known as the Devil's Trill. Sonata, which

1853
01:39:56.960 --> 01:39:58.199
<v Speaker 2>is kind of a cool name for a song the

1854
01:39:58.199 --> 01:39:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Devil's Trill.

1855
01:39:59.239 --> 01:40:02.760
<v Speaker 1>Hmmm, that is actually pretty cool. I've dreamed that some

1856
01:40:02.880 --> 01:40:06.159
<v Speaker 1>crazy dreams, and I've tried to recreate like artwork that

1857
01:40:06.199 --> 01:40:08.479
<v Speaker 1>I've seen in my dreams and I wasn't able to

1858
01:40:08.560 --> 01:40:10.279
<v Speaker 1>even do it. And I was trying to like go

1859
01:40:10.399 --> 01:40:14.520
<v Speaker 1>back into the dream to see it more vividly, and

1860
01:40:14.560 --> 01:40:18.880
<v Speaker 1>it just didn't happen or I'd have a picture of it. Oh. Man,

1861
01:40:18.960 --> 01:40:21.520
<v Speaker 1>I have wild dreams, so I don't have just like

1862
01:40:21.680 --> 01:40:25.239
<v Speaker 1>calm dreams. I have different types of dreams, dreams that

1863
01:40:25.279 --> 01:40:30.359
<v Speaker 1>I know that I'm dreaming. Inception is definitely a fantastic movie.

1864
01:40:30.439 --> 01:40:32.920
<v Speaker 1>When I watched it, I was like, man, I have

1865
01:40:33.000 --> 01:40:35.359
<v Speaker 1>been there where I've dreamed insteade of a dream instead

1866
01:40:35.359 --> 01:40:37.560
<v Speaker 1>of another dream, and I knew I was dreaming, and

1867
01:40:37.560 --> 01:40:39.880
<v Speaker 1>I would try to wake myself up in each section

1868
01:40:40.760 --> 01:40:44.199
<v Speaker 1>and it's like damn, some of them were They're so vivid,

1869
01:40:44.319 --> 01:40:47.159
<v Speaker 1>Like I wake up and I feel like I've I was.

1870
01:40:47.239 --> 01:40:49.119
<v Speaker 1>I have like the taste in my mouth of like

1871
01:40:49.199 --> 01:40:52.479
<v Speaker 1>what I was actually dreaming about. Like it's just yeah,

1872
01:40:52.520 --> 01:40:56.640
<v Speaker 1>some of them are insanely intense. Where I've died, been

1873
01:40:56.680 --> 01:40:59.760
<v Speaker 1>in battles. I mean, you name it, some crazy a shit.

1874
01:41:00.239 --> 01:41:03.640
<v Speaker 1>I dream really intensely so and have been that way

1875
01:41:03.680 --> 01:41:08.479
<v Speaker 1>my whole life must be nice. Sometimes, yes, sometimes waking

1876
01:41:08.560 --> 01:41:11.920
<v Speaker 1>up in a panic attack because like you legitimately feel like, well,

1877
01:41:12.079 --> 01:41:14.039
<v Speaker 1>you're in a dream where like you're in a battle

1878
01:41:14.039 --> 01:41:15.840
<v Speaker 1>and you get stabbed in the throat and you wake

1879
01:41:15.920 --> 01:41:19.000
<v Speaker 1>up thinking that you're actually gonna die is not a vibe.

1880
01:41:19.039 --> 01:41:23.079
<v Speaker 1>I will say, that's fair, that's it is. It is terrifying.

1881
01:41:23.640 --> 01:41:28.279
<v Speaker 1>I've died millions of ways, so my god, yeah yeah, uh.

1882
01:41:28.439 --> 01:41:30.760
<v Speaker 2>You know. From my one to two dreams per year

1883
01:41:30.800 --> 01:41:34.119
<v Speaker 2>that I do get, they're never like super cool. I

1884
01:41:34.119 --> 01:41:36.520
<v Speaker 2>think in the last two years that I had one dream

1885
01:41:36.560 --> 01:41:40.359
<v Speaker 2>that was like actually kind of dope. But then looking

1886
01:41:40.399 --> 01:41:43.199
<v Speaker 2>back when I woke up, I was like, oh, yeah,

1887
01:41:43.359 --> 01:41:46.279
<v Speaker 2>that was a dream. It clearly like the logic finally

1888
01:41:46.279 --> 01:41:48.319
<v Speaker 2>sets in and it's like, damn it.

1889
01:41:48.840 --> 01:41:51.119
<v Speaker 1>But I dream like deja Vou's stuff too.

1890
01:41:51.640 --> 01:41:52.640
<v Speaker 2>I've heard of people doing that.

1891
01:41:52.720 --> 01:41:55.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, so I walk at least, so there's a

1892
01:41:55.880 --> 01:41:59.239
<v Speaker 1>lot of times when I I don't even know, I'm

1893
01:41:59.279 --> 01:42:01.640
<v Speaker 1>not I don't not really good with the dreaming world.

1894
01:42:01.640 --> 01:42:05.600
<v Speaker 1>But it's like I walk. I walk the walk pretty much,

1895
01:42:05.640 --> 01:42:10.319
<v Speaker 1>and there's like two roads, and I pick both routes,

1896
01:42:10.479 --> 01:42:14.199
<v Speaker 1>so I go down both routes and I see what happens.

1897
01:42:14.880 --> 01:42:19.079
<v Speaker 1>And then in the waking world, eventually it will come

1898
01:42:19.079 --> 01:42:22.520
<v Speaker 1>to pass and I will be I know my options

1899
01:42:22.560 --> 01:42:24.560
<v Speaker 1>laid out, and I know what the outcome is, and

1900
01:42:24.600 --> 01:42:30.079
<v Speaker 1>it's like hmmm. And it's like an internal feeling of like, hey,

1901
01:42:30.560 --> 01:42:34.159
<v Speaker 1>remember this happened to you already in your dream and

1902
01:42:34.239 --> 01:42:36.840
<v Speaker 1>I remember it, and I at least remember the feeling

1903
01:42:36.840 --> 01:42:40.479
<v Speaker 1>of like I need to do this and not this,

1904
01:42:40.800 --> 01:42:43.800
<v Speaker 1>and that's what I need to do, and it's it's

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01:42:43.840 --> 01:42:46.279
<v Speaker 1>something that I've had my whole life, and it's just

1906
01:42:46.880 --> 01:42:48.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I've met other people kind of like

1907
01:42:48.560 --> 01:42:49.039
<v Speaker 1>that before.

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01:42:49.560 --> 01:42:56.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm jealous, honestly. I maybe one day I'll figure out

1909
01:42:56.399 --> 01:42:59.319
<v Speaker 2>how to dream. I don't know, We'll see how it goes.

1910
01:42:59.680 --> 01:43:02.239
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, for the longest time, I thought it was

1911
01:43:02.279 --> 01:43:05.000
<v Speaker 2>because I was like drinking myself to sleep, and I thought,

1912
01:43:05.000 --> 01:43:06.319
<v Speaker 2>maybe the alcohol is killing that.

1913
01:43:06.840 --> 01:43:10.319
<v Speaker 1>But even I know I dream like that too, I thought.

1914
01:43:10.640 --> 01:43:12.960
<v Speaker 2>But now that I'm living the life that I'm living,

1915
01:43:13.000 --> 01:43:15.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm still not dreaming. It's like, well, all right, cool.

1916
01:43:15.119 --> 01:43:17.159
<v Speaker 2>Now I talk to my dad. He's the same way.

1917
01:43:17.439 --> 01:43:18.199
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't dream.

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01:43:18.840 --> 01:43:21.479
<v Speaker 1>I wonder what the I wonder what the science behind

1919
01:43:21.479 --> 01:43:25.239
<v Speaker 1>that is. Actually, I wonder what the why certain people

1920
01:43:25.279 --> 01:43:26.439
<v Speaker 1>dream and certain people do not.

1921
01:43:27.359 --> 01:43:27.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

1922
01:43:27.880 --> 01:43:30.000
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if it's like a chemical thing in your brain.

1923
01:43:30.159 --> 01:43:32.520
<v Speaker 1>I wonder. I don't actually know enough about it. That's

1924
01:43:32.520 --> 01:43:35.000
<v Speaker 1>something I'm gonna have to look into, because there's a

1925
01:43:35.119 --> 01:43:39.119
<v Speaker 1>like my friend has like a dream book, and I

1926
01:43:39.159 --> 01:43:40.920
<v Speaker 1>would tell him some of my dreams and she's like,

1927
01:43:41.039 --> 01:43:43.800
<v Speaker 1>hang on, we gotta like look up honestly, some of

1928
01:43:43.840 --> 01:43:48.039
<v Speaker 1>the stuff that I've seen in the dream books. It's like, Okay,

1929
01:43:48.079 --> 01:43:50.039
<v Speaker 1>I guess that's gonna happen. And I don't know if

1930
01:43:50.079 --> 01:43:53.920
<v Speaker 1>I really want to know it, because like, but I've

1931
01:43:53.920 --> 01:43:56.880
<v Speaker 1>definitely had some deja vous moments where it's so profound,

1932
01:43:56.920 --> 01:43:59.640
<v Speaker 1>like it to my core like shook me, and I'm

1933
01:43:59.680 --> 01:44:02.000
<v Speaker 1>just like, h I really don't want to go through

1934
01:44:02.039 --> 01:44:04.079
<v Speaker 1>with what I'm going to be going through because I

1935
01:44:04.119 --> 01:44:06.359
<v Speaker 1>know this is not going to turn out very great

1936
01:44:06.399 --> 01:44:08.560
<v Speaker 1>for me either way I look at it.

1937
01:44:10.560 --> 01:44:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I know when I went to the

1938
01:44:13.079 --> 01:44:16.159
<v Speaker 2>VA and got my brain scan done for a sleep study.

1939
01:44:17.279 --> 01:44:22.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm basically in a coma outside of like the what's

1940
01:44:22.399 --> 01:44:27.000
<v Speaker 2>it called involuntary body functions like my heart beating and breathing.

1941
01:44:27.199 --> 01:44:28.720
<v Speaker 1>You're just deep in rim.

1942
01:44:28.760 --> 01:44:32.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm basically in a fucking coma because rim sleeps where

1943
01:44:32.479 --> 01:44:37.640
<v Speaker 2>you dream. Yeah, I'm I'm whatever is beyond that, where

1944
01:44:37.680 --> 01:44:41.920
<v Speaker 2>like this person is borderline brain dead, like his brain's

1945
01:44:41.920 --> 01:44:44.600
<v Speaker 2>functioning enough to keep his heart beating and his lungs inflating,

1946
01:44:44.600 --> 01:44:49.800
<v Speaker 2>but other than that, like homeboys down, you know, not me.

1947
01:44:50.000 --> 01:44:53.680
<v Speaker 1>I've dreamed. There's I've dreamed of lives that I believe

1948
01:44:53.720 --> 01:44:56.920
<v Speaker 1>that I've lived past lives, so I've dreamed them since

1949
01:44:56.920 --> 01:44:59.640
<v Speaker 1>I was very young. I can tell you everything about

1950
01:44:59.720 --> 01:45:01.920
<v Speaker 1>the lives that I feel like I've lived before.

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01:45:02.560 --> 01:45:04.600
<v Speaker 2>I would love to see if Jonathan was to try

1952
01:45:04.600 --> 01:45:06.760
<v Speaker 2>to hypnotize you, well you, I don't know if you

1953
01:45:06.800 --> 01:45:09.359
<v Speaker 2>can be hypnotized, Honestly, I don't. I don't know to

1954
01:45:09.439 --> 01:45:12.159
<v Speaker 2>do a past life regression, I would be very curious

1955
01:45:12.199 --> 01:45:13.680
<v Speaker 2>where you would end up.

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01:45:15.319 --> 01:45:17.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I've thought about having Jonathan do you

1957
01:45:17.880 --> 01:45:20.399
<v Speaker 1>a past life regression on me. I don't know personally

1958
01:45:20.439 --> 01:45:25.520
<v Speaker 1>if I could relax enough to be hypnotized. Fair point. Uh,

1959
01:45:25.640 --> 01:45:27.600
<v Speaker 1>I am way too much of a control freak. I

1960
01:45:27.680 --> 01:45:31.880
<v Speaker 1>will say I did use hypnosis for my burse and okay,

1961
01:45:32.000 --> 01:45:35.359
<v Speaker 1>but that took a lot. You're talking months and months

1962
01:45:35.439 --> 01:45:39.960
<v Speaker 1>of listening to it every single night going to sleep.

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01:45:40.439 --> 01:45:41.840
<v Speaker 1>So I got to the point where like I never

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01:45:41.880 --> 01:45:43.920
<v Speaker 1>actually meditated on any of it, because I'm gonna be

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01:45:43.960 --> 01:45:48.800
<v Speaker 1>honest with you, I can't meditate. It's I'm too I'm like, Okay,

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01:45:48.880 --> 01:45:50.680
<v Speaker 1>this needs to hurry the fuck up. I have way

1967
01:45:50.680 --> 01:45:51.960
<v Speaker 1>too much stuff to get done.

1968
01:45:53.359 --> 01:45:54.159
<v Speaker 2>And still doing.

1969
01:45:54.199 --> 01:45:56.199
<v Speaker 1>You know. I'm just like I'm like, wow, do people

1970
01:45:56.319 --> 01:45:59.920
<v Speaker 1>I've taken actual courses like in urates and I've gone

1971
01:46:00.039 --> 01:46:04.159
<v Speaker 1>and and like everyone's quiet and like it's so peaceful.

1972
01:46:04.720 --> 01:46:07.560
<v Speaker 1>And then I'm like okay, but like can we hurry

1973
01:46:07.640 --> 01:46:10.319
<v Speaker 1>up please? It's like I got I can't sit still

1974
01:46:10.359 --> 01:46:12.840
<v Speaker 1>this long, like and I and I see the beauty

1975
01:46:12.840 --> 01:46:15.600
<v Speaker 1>in it, and there's so much information to like begin

1976
01:46:15.760 --> 01:46:19.199
<v Speaker 1>and self like you know, self exploration, and me, I'm

1977
01:46:19.239 --> 01:46:23.239
<v Speaker 1>just like this is really really intense. I was like, okay,

1978
01:46:23.439 --> 01:46:25.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, Maniel's like what's going on with that?

1979
01:46:25.520 --> 01:46:28.520
<v Speaker 1>Like and I'm like I'm like, ooh, this guy the bird. Okay,

1980
01:46:28.520 --> 01:46:31.600
<v Speaker 1>close my eyes, close my eyes. It's just I struggle

1981
01:46:31.920 --> 01:46:34.880
<v Speaker 1>a lot everyone I t I.

1982
01:46:34.880 --> 01:46:37.640
<v Speaker 2>I can't even do the meditation shit, Like I can't

1983
01:46:37.680 --> 01:46:40.359
<v Speaker 2>find two hours to go outside and enjoy a cigar

1984
01:46:40.600 --> 01:46:43.239
<v Speaker 2>on a regular occasion. Like I'm gonna sit there and

1985
01:46:43.319 --> 01:46:48.479
<v Speaker 2>just do nothing for an hour. What kind of fucking

1986
01:46:48.560 --> 01:46:50.600
<v Speaker 2>fantasy are we living in right now? Yeah?

1987
01:46:50.600 --> 01:46:52.239
<v Speaker 1>But I'm also on those people that have to like

1988
01:46:52.399 --> 01:46:55.960
<v Speaker 1>listen to music while reading while like doing something else,

1989
01:46:56.039 --> 01:47:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Like I can't physically just do one thing, even though

1990
01:47:00.079 --> 01:47:05.680
<v Speaker 1>the science behind it proves that technically multitasking most people

1991
01:47:05.760 --> 01:47:08.000
<v Speaker 1>can't do. And if you are doing it, you're not

1992
01:47:08.079 --> 01:47:11.399
<v Speaker 1>doing each task efficiently. Because I had a whole argument

1993
01:47:11.439 --> 01:47:14.920
<v Speaker 1>about being multitasking, but I would just say that I

1994
01:47:14.960 --> 01:47:18.119
<v Speaker 1>can I better focus if I'm doing more than one

1995
01:47:18.159 --> 01:47:20.760
<v Speaker 1>thing at It's like it's calming parts of my brain

1996
01:47:21.000 --> 01:47:24.000
<v Speaker 1>down to where I can hyper fixate on what I'm

1997
01:47:24.039 --> 01:47:25.920
<v Speaker 1>trying to do. Like I have to listen to music

1998
01:47:25.920 --> 01:47:29.399
<v Speaker 1>while I'm writing papers so that way I can focus

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01:47:29.439 --> 01:47:30.279
<v Speaker 1>in on what I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I try doing that, but I end up accidentally writing

2001
01:47:32.680 --> 01:47:33.960
<v Speaker 2>the song lyrics I'm listening to.

2002
01:47:34.039 --> 01:47:36.760
<v Speaker 1>Oh No, I only fuck well I can't listen to

2003
01:47:36.840 --> 01:47:39.479
<v Speaker 1>actual music like with song lyrics, but I actually listen

2004
01:47:39.560 --> 01:47:43.840
<v Speaker 1>to like, yeah, instrumentals, so I'm very I actually listen

2005
01:47:43.920 --> 01:47:48.560
<v Speaker 1>to Irish music. Certain ones are like Celtic music. I

2006
01:47:48.600 --> 01:47:50.800
<v Speaker 1>get like really into them, and then I just like

2007
01:47:50.920 --> 01:47:53.279
<v Speaker 1>hyper fixate. There's one in particular that I listen to

2008
01:47:53.359 --> 01:47:55.760
<v Speaker 1>you all the time. If I'm writing massive papers like

2009
01:47:55.800 --> 01:47:58.680
<v Speaker 1>forty plus pages, I will listen to it on repeat

2010
01:47:58.840 --> 01:48:00.560
<v Speaker 1>over and over and over again. I'm just like la

2011
01:48:00.640 --> 01:48:02.439
<v Speaker 1>la la, le mean, just keep diving. See.

2012
01:48:02.439 --> 01:48:05.680
<v Speaker 2>I love listening to Bach and Mozart.

2013
01:48:06.600 --> 01:48:08.600
<v Speaker 1>But that's I grew up with that, and I used

2014
01:48:08.640 --> 01:48:10.279
<v Speaker 1>to listen to it. At like six years old, I

2015
01:48:10.279 --> 01:48:13.720
<v Speaker 1>had a collection of CDs that was like Beethoven's always

2016
01:48:13.720 --> 01:48:15.720
<v Speaker 1>been my favorite, and so I would listen to it

2017
01:48:15.760 --> 01:48:18.199
<v Speaker 1>on repeat for hours and hours and hours.

2018
01:48:18.239 --> 01:48:20.439
<v Speaker 2>Young Beethoven, I like at the end of his life

2019
01:48:20.439 --> 01:48:21.279
<v Speaker 2>when he went deaf.

2020
01:48:21.800 --> 01:48:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I didn't like some of his older stuff.

2021
01:48:24.079 --> 01:48:26.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like and I understand, like, and I'm not

2022
01:48:27.000 --> 01:48:31.399
<v Speaker 2>knocking the amazing genius that went into him, like basically

2023
01:48:31.680 --> 01:48:34.520
<v Speaker 2>was like sticking a pole to his sternum and playing

2024
01:48:34.520 --> 01:48:36.279
<v Speaker 2>a note on the violin to see how it vibrating,

2025
01:48:36.319 --> 01:48:41.479
<v Speaker 2>and that's how he still composed mad respect, but you know,

2026
01:48:41.600 --> 01:48:43.800
<v Speaker 2>you kind of need your ears to be able to

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01:48:43.840 --> 01:48:48.159
<v Speaker 2>compose good music. That's just my own hot take. I

2028
01:48:48.199 --> 01:48:50.199
<v Speaker 2>know there's tons of music snobs out there that think

2029
01:48:50.199 --> 01:48:52.680
<v Speaker 2>that I'm just evil for making such an assumption.

2030
01:48:52.359 --> 01:48:55.800
<v Speaker 1>But there is deaf people that I've actually made beautiful

2031
01:48:55.880 --> 01:48:59.479
<v Speaker 1>music really by vibrations. Yeah. I worked at a deaf

2032
01:48:59.479 --> 01:49:03.560
<v Speaker 1>and blindness living and I got taught so much about

2033
01:49:03.560 --> 01:49:06.600
<v Speaker 1>the deaf community working there. When I did, I was nineteen,

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01:49:07.079 --> 01:49:12.000
<v Speaker 1>and it was probably one of the most informative jobs

2035
01:49:12.039 --> 01:49:15.319
<v Speaker 1>I've ever experienced in my life, learning the different types

2036
01:49:15.359 --> 01:49:18.640
<v Speaker 1>of how people go deaf, how they communicate, how deaf

2037
01:49:18.680 --> 01:49:21.359
<v Speaker 1>and blind people will communicate what they can and can't

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01:49:21.399 --> 01:49:24.880
<v Speaker 1>feel the vibrations they could feel you moving from across

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01:49:24.880 --> 01:49:25.239
<v Speaker 1>the hall.

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01:49:25.720 --> 01:49:28.399
<v Speaker 2>Although I will say, actually, wow, I bet that a

2041
01:49:28.479 --> 01:49:32.319
<v Speaker 2>deaf person could probably be a really sick, nasty edm

2042
01:49:32.439 --> 01:49:33.399
<v Speaker 2>DJ there.

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01:49:33.439 --> 01:49:37.840
<v Speaker 1>I think there is a pianist that's deaf really, Yeah,

2044
01:49:37.960 --> 01:49:41.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm fairly positive there is one that's like, actually

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01:49:41.239 --> 01:49:46.000
<v Speaker 1>a really amazing composer that's legit. Yeah, you learned something

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01:49:46.000 --> 01:49:46.439
<v Speaker 1>new every day.

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01:49:46.439 --> 01:49:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Good cult members Anyway, moving on here out of his

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01:49:49.600 --> 01:49:53.399
<v Speaker 2>efforts to remember the diabolically brilliant tune Tartine. We already

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01:49:53.399 --> 01:49:57.279
<v Speaker 2>read about that one, The Devil's Trill. But while from

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01:49:57.279 --> 01:49:59.640
<v Speaker 2>the hundreds of compositions he wrote in his lifetime, this

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01:49:59.680 --> 01:50:03.039
<v Speaker 2>piece would remain Tartini's favorite. He felt it was so

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01:50:03.439 --> 01:50:06.760
<v Speaker 2>inferior or yeah, he felt he it was so inferior

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01:50:06.800 --> 01:50:09.840
<v Speaker 2>to what I heard that we're jumping into like a

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01:50:09.880 --> 01:50:13.560
<v Speaker 2>direct quote. Again, sorry they didn't put the quotations. He

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01:50:13.680 --> 01:50:17.399
<v Speaker 2>felt it was quote so inferior to what I heard

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01:50:17.399 --> 01:50:21.960
<v Speaker 2>that if I could have subsequently been subsisted by other means,

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01:50:22.279 --> 01:50:25.880
<v Speaker 2>I would have broken my violin and abandoned music forever. Wow.

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01:50:25.960 --> 01:50:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Dramatic munch well, you know, tortured artist type.

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01:50:28.760 --> 01:50:33.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, last around sixteen and a half minutes. The Desert

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01:50:33.600 --> 01:50:37.279
<v Speaker 2>The Devil's Trill sonata contains three movements and both haunting

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01:50:37.319 --> 01:50:42.159
<v Speaker 2>and expressive melodies. He quite a solo here. The sonata

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01:50:42.239 --> 01:50:45.119
<v Speaker 2>is below, So if you dare, you can have a listen.

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<v Speaker 2>As someone relatively unschooled in classical music and knowing next

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<v Speaker 2>to nothing about the violin, I'm going to try to

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<v Speaker 2>describe how this piece strikes me on a simply emotional level.

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<v Speaker 2>It's sixteen minutes, and if you want to look it up,

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<v Speaker 2>it's called The Devil's Trill. It starts off with some

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<v Speaker 2>somber tones, evoking beautiful desolation, sweeping chords, mournful yet bewitching,

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01:51:06.560 --> 01:51:11.279
<v Speaker 2>resonates soulfully. Then there's some heartbreaking here in sweet bitter nostalgia.

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<v Speaker 2>But but now there's a fast, high spirited playing, like

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01:51:15.359 --> 01:51:18.399
<v Speaker 2>notes are springing, jumping, twisting in the air. We hear

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<v Speaker 2>a certain hope, a lightness, the joy of expectation has

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<v Speaker 2>notes skip and dance around one another. Yet darker shades

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01:51:25.159 --> 01:51:28.600
<v Speaker 2>creep in. Perhaps there's more foreboding or feel, a fear

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<v Speaker 2>of failure amongst the longing and glee. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, it's best beautifully written, to be honest, very much

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<v Speaker 1>is actually.

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<v Speaker 2>As The Devil's Trill sonata goes on. Emotions conflict, dark

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01:51:39.439 --> 01:51:44.680
<v Speaker 2>tones intrude upon wishful memory, wistful memories, Sinister surges overwhelm

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01:51:44.920 --> 01:51:51.159
<v Speaker 2>sweet recollections. The desponcies. Uh yeah, the dispundencies getting deeper,

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<v Speaker 2>as if there's sometimes an acceptance of some dolorous fate,

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01:51:55.600 --> 01:51:59.000
<v Speaker 2>as if the violin's sobbing, but an echo of thunder

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01:51:59.079 --> 01:52:04.479
<v Speaker 2>now grows something gathering energy, mounting chaotically to a discordant

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01:52:04.600 --> 01:52:08.760
<v Speaker 2>peak before taking a plunge into melancholy. It's heartrending, as

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<v Speaker 2>if you know something wonderful has been lost and can

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<v Speaker 2>never be recovered.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I really have to listen to this piece. We're

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01:52:16.159 --> 01:52:19.720
<v Speaker 1>gonna have to make that happen. This sounds wonderful. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a very long article, it is. This is long story short.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see the suspiciously successful career of Tartini. As well

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<v Speaker 2>as pinning the Devils traul Sonata by any judgment and

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<v Speaker 2>incredible piece of music, Tartini had a very successful life

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01:52:34.199 --> 01:52:36.399
<v Speaker 2>and career. He was born in sixteen ninety two in

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<v Speaker 2>the town of Pirano in the Republic of Venice. After

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<v Speaker 2>moving around between several Italian cities, he withdrew for a

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<v Speaker 2>number of years of solitary study devoted to the violin,

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01:52:46.159 --> 01:52:50.520
<v Speaker 2>emerging with new thoughts on strings, the bow, and Boeing techniques,

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01:52:50.920 --> 01:52:54.520
<v Speaker 2>ideas which would have enormous influence on generations of violinists.

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<v Speaker 2>The Tartini's playing emphasized both technical and mastery, technical masters

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<v Speaker 2>and poetic emotional nuances. It was claimed Tartini produced a

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01:53:04.439 --> 01:53:08.880
<v Speaker 2>magical impression on his audiences, helping his fame spread across Europe.

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<v Speaker 2>At just twenty nine years old, Tartini was appointed director

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<v Speaker 2>of the orchestra at the Basilica of Saint Anthony m Padua,

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<v Speaker 2>a position he retained for the rest of his working life.

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<v Speaker 2>He played for emperors and nobles, composed for the Pope,

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<v Speaker 2>and set up a violin school which drew students from

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<v Speaker 2>many countries. Proclaimed by the Italians as the finest musician

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<v Speaker 2>in the world, he was referred to by the French

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<v Speaker 2>as the lawgiver to the box, and it was said

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't play, he sings on the violin. That's wild.

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<v Speaker 2>In addition to his musical achievement, Tartini seems to have

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<v Speaker 2>been seems to have burned with Fausian desire for knowledge.

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<v Speaker 2>He owned an impressive library containing books on many subjects,

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01:53:50.079 --> 01:53:54.840
<v Speaker 2>and was intensely curious about philosophy, religion, harmonics, acoustics, mathematics.

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<v Speaker 2>Tartini died in seventeen seventy.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. So anyway, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see here, how might Tartini fit into the history

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<v Speaker 2>of devil inspired musicians and soul sellers. Other characteristics of

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<v Speaker 2>musical history have been linked with soul swapping legends. One

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<v Speaker 2>individual alleged to have been struck or struck a demonic

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01:54:18.359 --> 01:54:21.640
<v Speaker 2>deal was the We already talked about Pagini, and we

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01:54:21.720 --> 01:54:25.279
<v Speaker 2>talked about him a good bit here, according to famous

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01:54:25.760 --> 01:54:29.439
<v Speaker 2>soul seller or. Another famous soul seller was American bluesman

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Johnson, who, according to legend, walked the Mississippi Crossroads

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01:54:33.720 --> 01:54:35.960
<v Speaker 2>with a guitar on his back to meet the devil

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<v Speaker 2>at midnight. We're gonna read another article about him actually here,

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<v Speaker 2>coming up in a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>But he is definitely featured on a lot of things.

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01:54:42.920 --> 01:54:45.119
<v Speaker 1>He came up on a couple of my searches as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, when you're talking about selling your soul

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01:54:48.079 --> 01:54:51.119
<v Speaker 2>to the devil for musical genius, especially us being Americans,

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01:54:51.560 --> 01:54:54.600
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna hear about these types of people. But talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the Crossroads reference, I think it's a good time

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<v Speaker 2>to jump into the folklore s the crossroads itself, because

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<v Speaker 2>while we hear this, we all think, because again we're Americans,

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<v Speaker 2>most of our listeners are American. We think of the

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<v Speaker 2>crossroads in Mississippi where allegedly so many musicians got their start.

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01:55:14.760 --> 01:55:17.079
<v Speaker 2>They sold their soul to the devil in exchange for

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01:55:17.279 --> 01:55:19.880
<v Speaker 2>being able to play the guitar like nobody else has

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01:55:19.920 --> 01:55:22.920
<v Speaker 2>ever done on the face of the earth. But apparently

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<v Speaker 2>the crossroads conversation and having mythical ties goes way farther

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01:55:28.960 --> 01:55:32.520
<v Speaker 2>back in folklore, even into ancient religions. Do you want

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<v Speaker 2>to read this part?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? No, No, you read a lot better than I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I can like summarize at least the ancient religion aspects

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<v Speaker 1>of it.

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<v Speaker 2>You read books so frequently.

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<v Speaker 1>I read very well. To myself. I have a bit

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01:55:53.600 --> 01:55:56.479
<v Speaker 1>of a steamer when I read out loud. I get

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01:55:56.520 --> 01:56:01.640
<v Speaker 1>really anxious about it and fumbling words all up. So

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<v Speaker 1>I actually practiced in the Marine Corps to get better

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01:56:05.800 --> 01:56:09.760
<v Speaker 1>at reading. I would read romance novels out loud to

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01:56:09.800 --> 01:56:12.439
<v Speaker 1>everybody because we would be sitting around waiting, and so

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01:56:12.520 --> 01:56:17.520
<v Speaker 1>we would have romance novels. And I definitely was not

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<v Speaker 1>the best at reading out loud. So I don't know,

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01:56:20.479 --> 01:56:23.000
<v Speaker 1>to the ten thousand people that might listen to this,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I feel like making a complete

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<v Speaker 1>ass of myself, unlike you know, Day three of the job.

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<v Speaker 2>Fair enough, okay, fine, So let's talk about the crossroads

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<v Speaker 2>in folklore. In folk lore, crossroads may represent a location

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<v Speaker 2>between the worlds, and as such a site where supernatural

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01:56:40.119 --> 01:56:44.560
<v Speaker 2>spirits can be contacted and paranormal events can take place. Symbolically,

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01:56:44.680 --> 01:56:47.479
<v Speaker 2>it can mean a locality where two realms touch and

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<v Speaker 2>therefore represents liminality, a place where literally neither here nor there,

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<v Speaker 2>or betwixt and between. Very interesting, So let's talk about

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<v Speaker 2>some ancient religions and the context there. In Greek mythology,

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<v Speaker 2>crossroads were associated with both Hecate and Hermes, with shrines

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<v Speaker 2>and ceremonies for both taking place there. The herm pillar,

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01:57:10.640 --> 01:57:13.520
<v Speaker 2>associated with Hermes, frequently marked these places due to the

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<v Speaker 2>god's association with travelers and role as a guide. Though

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<v Speaker 2>less central to Greek mythology than Hermes, Hecata's connection to

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01:57:21.279 --> 01:57:25.720
<v Speaker 2>crossroads was more cemented in ritual. Suppers of Hecata were

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01:57:26.000 --> 01:57:29.000
<v Speaker 2>left for her at crossroads at each new moon, and

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<v Speaker 2>one of her most common titles was Goddess of the Crossroads.

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<v Speaker 2>In her later threefold depictions, each of the three heads

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<v Speaker 2>or bodies is associated is often associated with one of

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<v Speaker 2>three crossing roads.

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<v Speaker 1>M that's very fascinating. Yeah, you can see the picture.

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<v Speaker 2>That she has the three goddesses. Yes, got you, got you. Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>They were also about the crossroads as well, and then

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01:57:54.479 --> 01:57:57.399
<v Speaker 1>they would have a fea scroll down there's a pillar

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<v Speaker 1>and that, so they would have a pillar at the crossroads.

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<v Speaker 2>So I also think it's very interesting that both Greeks

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<v Speaker 2>and Romans did this when there was a god, not

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<v Speaker 2>a goddess, a god and there was like a mile marker,

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<v Speaker 2>they only included two things on it, very very famously,

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<v Speaker 2>their head and their dick.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>And the rest of it would just be a big

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<v Speaker 2>statue with some words on or whatever. The head would

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<v Speaker 2>be a traditional bust like you would normally have, and

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<v Speaker 2>then it'd just be a square pillar with a dick

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<v Speaker 2>hanging out of it, and pauls and pubes and always

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<v Speaker 2>very small, yes, because they thought the big dicks were

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<v Speaker 2>brutish and if you had a big dick, you must.

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<v Speaker 1>Be dumb mm hm. And you know, men are really

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<v Speaker 1>attached to their penises, so it does grow on them,

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01:58:46.880 --> 01:58:49.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean, they are pretty obsessed with it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it doesn't shock me that like those are the

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<v Speaker 1>two things that are included in everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I could imagine such and then also I could

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<v Speaker 2>see that too, and I don't know this for a fact.

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<v Speaker 1>They say that the larger.

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<v Speaker 2>Penises were for the brutish and the unrefined and the

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<v Speaker 2>dummies of the world. I could also envision a world

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<v Speaker 2>where penis in me was a thing and they were

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01:59:14.439 --> 01:59:17.560
<v Speaker 2>basically like, look, i've got a three incher over here.

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<v Speaker 2>That's more than Hermes. Clearly, you've seen all the statues,

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<v Speaker 2>a hong bigger than a god, and you're still unsatisfied.

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<v Speaker 1>Woman.

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<v Speaker 2>I could see it going that route as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess I'm not really sure why they

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01:59:31.760 --> 01:59:33.600
<v Speaker 1>felt so you know, inclined.

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<v Speaker 2>It is. It is what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess there is some statues though, as like time

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<v Speaker 1>changes that are more well endowed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that didn't come around until like the Renaissance.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say it was like the Renaissance era.

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<v Speaker 2>Even the medieval depictions of things like that, nude photos

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01:59:51.840 --> 01:59:55.479
<v Speaker 2>and photos, nude paintings and stuff that would be still

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01:59:56.239 --> 02:00:00.960
<v Speaker 2>very very small. Of all things considered, it's it's actually

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<v Speaker 2>pretty hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess because they're always soft, so okay,

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02:00:07.800 --> 02:00:11.560
<v Speaker 1>fair like they're I mean that could be it's cold

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<v Speaker 1>outside and they always there was always a draft happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, but you're a stone statue, the pool man,

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<v Speaker 1>the Renaissance. So their sculptures are like beautiful. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if you've ever seen them in person. I have,

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<v Speaker 1>I've done I've gone to a lot of art stuff

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<v Speaker 1>and then in a statue of David. But even that

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<v Speaker 1>one very small. I mean, I guess that's just a vibe.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess they didn't want to take away from the

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<v Speaker 1>statue's beauty. They just wanted to include it and just

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<v Speaker 1>be like, well, Bam, here it is. But they gave

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02:00:49.520 --> 02:00:53.800
<v Speaker 1>him the cheeks though. Oh yeah, their butts be popping

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm like, no, we're.

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<v Speaker 2>Gonna we're gonna short change him on the dick. We're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna make sure he's carrying a whole bakery with all

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<v Speaker 2>that cake. You know what, You're so off topic.

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<v Speaker 1>We're just trying to anyway, trying to talk about good

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<v Speaker 1>old hectic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's learn, let's learn about her and Hermes. According

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<v Speaker 2>to the fourth century historian phili Chorus, at Athens, offerings

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<v Speaker 2>also were sent to the crossroads on the sixteenth of

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<v Speaker 2>the month i e. Half a month after the new

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02:01:23.760 --> 02:01:26.880
<v Speaker 2>moon offering at the time of the full moon. In

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<v Speaker 2>the Greco Roman society, rituals of protection were done at

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<v Speaker 2>crossroads and purification ritual remains were left at the crossroads.

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<v Speaker 2>The Greeks and Romans believed doors, gates, rivers, frontiers, and

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<v Speaker 2>crossroads helped spiritual meaning or hailed spiritual meanings regarding transit,

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02:01:43.119 --> 02:01:47.119
<v Speaker 2>transitioning leaving one area and going somewhere else, a change

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<v Speaker 2>in directions physically and spiritually. Therefore, rituals of protection and

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02:01:51.600 --> 02:01:55.880
<v Speaker 2>rituals regarding change or transition were done at crossroads. And

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<v Speaker 2>eleventh century homily called de Faustus Diaz tells us that

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<v Speaker 2>Mercury or Odin were honored at crossroads. How interesting they're

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<v Speaker 2>making an Odin to Mercury connection. Usually you would hear

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<v Speaker 2>Odin to Zeus connection be made.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even know that was going to be about

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<v Speaker 1>in this. That's very interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>There's actual, you know, lines that are written in I'm

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<v Speaker 2>assuming Greek or Latin.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see the ritual incantation.

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<v Speaker 2>It actually gives the modern English text. It says there

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<v Speaker 2>once lived a man named Mercury, who was very deceitful,

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<v Speaker 2>and though quite wise in speech, was treacherous in actions

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<v Speaker 2>and lies. The Pagans, in their account, also made him

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<v Speaker 2>their great God, and often and frequently offered him sacrifices

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<v Speaker 2>at crossroads through the teachings of the devil, and to

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<v Speaker 2>the high hills they often brought various offerings of praise. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that was from the eleventh century, so that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Is after the Christianization of Europe, So fair enough. So

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<v Speaker 2>now let's talk about some medieval folk. In Great Britain.

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<v Speaker 2>There existed a tradition of burying criminals and suicides at crossroads.

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<v Speaker 1>Very interesting. I actually didn't know that until I was

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<v Speaker 1>reading that earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never heard this before. I mean, as far as

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<v Speaker 2>suicides and criminals, you don't want to bury them on

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02:03:16.199 --> 02:03:20.079
<v Speaker 2>hollow ground right outside of a church, so you would

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<v Speaker 2>have to bury them somewhere. But why crossroads, let's read

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<v Speaker 2>it says this may be due to the crossroads marking

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<v Speaker 2>the boundaries of the settlements, couple with the desire to

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<v Speaker 2>bury those outside the law, outside the settlements, or that

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<v Speaker 2>many roads would confuse the dead.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't want them to wander back, the spirits to

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<v Speaker 1>wander back into town, so they would bury them at

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<v Speaker 1>the crossroads, so it'd be confusing for them.

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<v Speaker 2>That's crazy, especially if those are like the markers between settlements.

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<v Speaker 2>So they basically put them. They didn't want to bury

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<v Speaker 2>them on some other people's land because then that spirit

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02:03:52.119 --> 02:03:54.239
<v Speaker 2>might haunt them. But they wanted to get as far

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<v Speaker 2>away from them as they possibly because they would bury

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<v Speaker 2>it on the borderline. That's crazy. Were commonly used as

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<v Speaker 2>a place of criminal punishment and execution by gibbet or

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<v Speaker 2>duel tree any idea what those are?

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<v Speaker 1>The dual tree It should be.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a hanging tree.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it should be the hanging tree.

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<v Speaker 2>Or let's read the dual tree or dual trees in

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<v Speaker 2>Scotland were used as gallows for public hangings.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>They were also used as gibbets for displays of the

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<v Speaker 2>corpse for a considerable period of time. Gibbets or gibbets.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh like they used to do pirates like a case.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you would hang a body from Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So you actually didn't know the name of that. To

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<v Speaker 1>be honest with you, I hope.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's a hard or soft g

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<v Speaker 2>to be honest with you. Gibbet or gibbet, which may

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<v Speaker 2>have also been a reason for it being a side

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<v Speaker 2>of suicidal burial, as suicide was considered a crime right.

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02:04:54.279 --> 02:04:58.000
<v Speaker 2>This ritual of crossroads burials dates back to Anglo Saxon

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<v Speaker 2>times and continued until being a bo in eighteen twenty three.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, lasted a really long time.

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<v Speaker 2>That made a good run. How about that While they

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02:05:09.479 --> 02:05:12.279
<v Speaker 2>became a place of burial for suicides and other unable

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<v Speaker 2>to be given proper burials in the Middle Ages, the

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02:05:14.760 --> 02:05:18.560
<v Speaker 2>crossroads were once a burial place for a second only

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02:05:18.720 --> 02:05:23.079
<v Speaker 2>to the consecrated church for Christians. In Western folk mythology,

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<v Speaker 2>a crossroads can be used to summon a demon or

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<v Speaker 2>devil in order to make a deal. How interesting that

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02:05:29.319 --> 02:05:31.399
<v Speaker 2>that was a Western europe thing before it became an

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<v Speaker 2>American thing.

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<v Speaker 1>This legend can be seen in many stories.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, we talked about Faust describes the character fouls

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<v Speaker 2>inscribing magic circles at a crossroads in order to summon

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02:05:41.680 --> 02:05:48.079
<v Speaker 2>the devil in freeze Freeshoots folk tale often similarly involves

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02:05:48.079 --> 02:05:52.640
<v Speaker 2>summoning the devil at crossroads in order to cast magic bullets.

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<v Speaker 2>By bullets, I think they might mean decrees or like

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02:05:56.079 --> 02:06:00.039
<v Speaker 2>a spell. Okay, I don't know. I don't know a

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<v Speaker 2>should know either. In eighteen eighty five historical Essays Transylvanian

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<v Speaker 2>Superstitions by Emily Girard describes how crossroads are often avoided

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<v Speaker 2>as a matter of course, and described a Romanian belief

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<v Speaker 2>that a demon could be summoned at a crossroad by

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02:06:16.199 --> 02:06:20.319
<v Speaker 2>drawing a magic circle, offering copper coin as payment, and

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02:06:20.399 --> 02:06:25.600
<v Speaker 2>reciting an incantation. Wow, that's pretty fascinating as well. So

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<v Speaker 2>then we get into who doo in conjure root work

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<v Speaker 2>and who do Okay. I've never heard of root work before,

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02:06:34.600 --> 02:06:37.920
<v Speaker 2>but okay, And I've also never heard conjure be used

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02:06:38.600 --> 02:06:41.119
<v Speaker 2>as a adjective. Usually it's used as a verb.

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<v Speaker 1>But okay.

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<v Speaker 2>A form of African magical spirituality practiced by African Americans

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02:06:48.560 --> 02:06:54.239
<v Speaker 2>in the United States. The crossroads originates from the Congo

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02:06:53.560 --> 02:06:58.119
<v Speaker 2>cosmogram in Central Africa. It represents the rising and setting

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02:06:58.199 --> 02:07:00.880
<v Speaker 2>of the sun, the human life cycle of death and rebirth.

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<v Speaker 1>Very interesting.

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02:07:02.319 --> 02:07:04.720
<v Speaker 2>The center of the crossroads is where the communication with

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02:07:04.760 --> 02:07:08.119
<v Speaker 2>spirits takes place. During the Transatlantic slave trade, the Congo

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02:07:08.279 --> 02:07:11.479
<v Speaker 2>cosmogram was brought to the United States by African slaves.

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02:07:11.760 --> 02:07:16.159
<v Speaker 2>Archaeologists unearthed representations of the Congo cosmogram on slaves plantations

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02:07:16.159 --> 02:07:19.720
<v Speaker 2>in South Carolina on clay pots made by enslaved Africans.

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<v Speaker 2>The Congo cosmogram is also called the Ba Congo cosmogram

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02:07:25.359 --> 02:07:30.800
<v Speaker 2>and the Yawa cross. Interesting the Yowa cross Congo cosmogram

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02:07:31.039 --> 02:07:33.560
<v Speaker 2>is a fork in the road or even a forked

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<v Speaker 2>branch can allude to this crucially important symbol of passage

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02:07:37.159 --> 02:07:41.000
<v Speaker 2>and communication between worlds, the quote unquote turn in the

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02:07:41.039 --> 02:07:45.319
<v Speaker 2>path II. The crossroads remains an indelible concept in the

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02:07:45.319 --> 02:07:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Congo Atlantic world as the point of intersection between the

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02:07:48.920 --> 02:07:52.239
<v Speaker 2>ancestors and the living. It's at the crossroads where many

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<v Speaker 2>Africans believe one will witness the powers of God and

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02:07:55.319 --> 02:07:59.520
<v Speaker 2>emerge from the waters spiritually renewed. Other African origins of

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<v Speaker 2>the cross roads in who Doo are found in West

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02:08:01.680 --> 02:08:05.439
<v Speaker 2>Africa among the Araba people. For example, the Arobo trickster

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<v Speaker 2>deity called a shoe Allegba, which that is also where

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<v Speaker 2>it gets its roots into voodoo with Papa Alegba, I

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<v Speaker 2>would assume and the Aroba people living leave offerings for

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<v Speaker 2>a shoe Allgba at the crossroads, and who do there's

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<v Speaker 2>a spirit that resides at the crossroads to give, to

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<v Speaker 2>give offerings for. However, the word a shoe alegba does

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<v Speaker 2>not exist in who Do because the names of the

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02:08:31.359 --> 02:08:35.239
<v Speaker 2>African deities were lost during slavery. Folkloris new Bell Niles

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<v Speaker 2>Pucket recorded a number of crossroad rituals in who Do

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<v Speaker 2>practices among African Americans in the South and explained its meaning.

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<v Speaker 2>Pucket wrote, quote, Possibly this custom of sacrificing at the

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<v Speaker 2>crossroads is due to the idea that spirits like men,

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<v Speaker 2>travel highways and would be more likely to hit upon

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02:08:52.239 --> 02:08:56.319
<v Speaker 2>the offering at crossroads than elsewhere. African crossroads spirits were

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<v Speaker 2>brought to the United States during the Transatlantic slave trade.

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<v Speaker 1>In the Voodoo tradition, Papa Legba look at right there,

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<v Speaker 1>I called it.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, Papa Legba is the Iowa or Iwa of the

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02:09:06.920 --> 02:09:12.079
<v Speaker 2>crossroads or the guardian or deity of crossroads and a

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02:09:12.119 --> 02:09:14.680
<v Speaker 2>messenger to the spirit world. Yeah, we actually have a

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02:09:14.680 --> 02:09:18.239
<v Speaker 2>buddy of ours, that is a practitioner of Santaia or

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02:09:18.640 --> 02:09:22.319
<v Speaker 2>resident Santuria. Correspondent. I might add shout out Mario, and

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<v Speaker 2>uh that is his patron, Saint.

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<v Speaker 1>Legba. Excuse me, yeah, oh yeah, I forget like and

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02:09:29.800 --> 02:09:32.000
<v Speaker 1>he he's talked about it a couple of times on

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<v Speaker 1>the Cult.

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<v Speaker 2>So in that tradition you usually get a patron saint,

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<v Speaker 2>but whenever you sacrifice something to them, you also have

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<v Speaker 2>to give a sacrifice to Papa Legba so that it

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<v Speaker 2>will make its way to the the god figure that

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02:09:45.119 --> 02:09:48.119
<v Speaker 2>they worship. But he actually doesn't have to because this

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<v Speaker 2>patron saint is Baba Legba.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he went into this whole practice that he does

2397
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<v Speaker 2>every day. It's pretty crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he came on your show like two years ago,

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02:09:59.000 --> 02:10:00.720
<v Speaker 1>two or three years ago, talked about it. I know

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02:10:00.760 --> 02:10:02.199
<v Speaker 1>that he talked about it the other day on the

2401
02:10:02.279 --> 02:10:05.359
<v Speaker 1>Cult when because he was getting better from his tumor.

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02:10:05.600 --> 02:10:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, every day he lights the cigar and he takes

2403
02:10:09.000 --> 02:10:11.399
<v Speaker 2>the whiskey a shot of it, switches in his mouth

2404
02:10:11.399 --> 02:10:13.319
<v Speaker 2>and spits it on his altar and it's a whole thing.

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02:10:14.279 --> 02:10:15.880
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, it's fascinating.

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02:10:16.000 --> 02:10:18.560
<v Speaker 2>It is really crazy, Like not in a bad way, Mario,

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02:10:18.680 --> 02:10:21.399
<v Speaker 2>I love you to death, but yeah, it's very interesting

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02:10:21.399 --> 02:10:23.319
<v Speaker 2>to see the cultural differences for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I love I love hearing all the different practices people do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in who Doo, there has been a practice that

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02:10:29.079 --> 02:10:31.279
<v Speaker 2>is believed to be who Doo in origin, such as

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02:10:31.319 --> 02:10:33.520
<v Speaker 2>selling your soul to the devil at the crossroads in

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02:10:33.600 --> 02:10:37.880
<v Speaker 2>order to acquire facility at various manual and body skills

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02:10:37.920 --> 02:10:41.000
<v Speaker 2>such as playing a musical instrument, throwing dice, or dancing.

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02:10:41.439 --> 02:10:44.520
<v Speaker 2>It is believed that one may attend upon a crossroads

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02:10:44.840 --> 02:10:47.319
<v Speaker 2>a certain number of times, either at midnight or just

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02:10:47.359 --> 02:10:50.560
<v Speaker 2>before dawn, and one will meet a quote unquote black

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02:10:50.640 --> 02:10:54.039
<v Speaker 2>man whom some call the devil, who will bestow upon

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02:10:54.159 --> 02:10:57.319
<v Speaker 2>one the desired skills. This practice is believed to have

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<v Speaker 2>originated from an African American blues musician by the name

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02:11:00.840 --> 02:11:04.439
<v Speaker 2>Robert Johnson. In Oral History of Hudoo, it is said

2422
02:11:04.439 --> 02:11:06.880
<v Speaker 2>that Robert Johnson became a skilled blues musician after he

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02:11:06.920 --> 02:11:09.720
<v Speaker 2>sold a sold to the devil at the crossroads, and

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02:11:09.720 --> 02:11:13.279
<v Speaker 2>and because of this, people began going to a crossroads

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02:11:13.279 --> 02:11:15.319
<v Speaker 2>at midnight to sell their soul to the devil, to

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02:11:15.439 --> 02:11:19.199
<v Speaker 2>acquire a skill or to become better at a skill. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna get more into these people, specifically Robert Johnson

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02:11:23.359 --> 02:11:26.239
<v Speaker 2>and Tommy Johnson here in a bit so now. In

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<v Speaker 2>Brazilian mythology, crossroads are very important both in Brazilian mythology

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02:11:31.119 --> 02:11:35.039
<v Speaker 2>related to the Headless Mule, the Devil, the best of Farah,

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02:11:35.600 --> 02:11:40.119
<v Speaker 2>and the Brazilian version of the were Wolf. Interesting.

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02:11:40.520 --> 02:11:42.159
<v Speaker 1>Interesting. The were wolf.

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<v Speaker 2>Shape shifting is a thing that has brought up in

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02:11:44.840 --> 02:11:46.600
<v Speaker 2>a lot of devil circles, so to say that the

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02:11:46.640 --> 02:11:48.439
<v Speaker 2>devil was also in this mix makes sense.

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02:11:48.479 --> 02:11:50.239
<v Speaker 1>But wow, I just didn't think it was gonna be

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02:11:50.279 --> 02:11:52.279
<v Speaker 1>associated with crossroads the.

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<v Speaker 2>Same, but I guess here we are and religious us

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02:11:58.760 --> 02:12:02.239
<v Speaker 2>as the favorite play of the manifestations of the left

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02:12:02.239 --> 02:12:08.880
<v Speaker 2>hand entities left hand entities such as exis look they

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02:12:08.880 --> 02:12:10.680
<v Speaker 2>said it, not me. I'm just reading the thing here.

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02:12:11.039 --> 02:12:16.359
<v Speaker 1>But I like how you had a pause for that one, Like, hmm, yeah,

2443
02:12:16.479 --> 02:12:19.199
<v Speaker 1>five five to seven percent of the world is left handed.

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02:12:19.439 --> 02:12:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Shout out to all my left handed homies. Five to really, yes,

2445
02:12:24.479 --> 02:12:28.039
<v Speaker 1>it's very very small because most people try to force

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02:12:28.279 --> 02:12:31.119
<v Speaker 1>people to be right handed because.

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02:12:30.840 --> 02:12:31.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean correct handed.

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02:12:31.920 --> 02:12:38.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm joking. I'm joking, okay, but no, because they consistently

2449
02:12:38.079 --> 02:12:41.479
<v Speaker 1>tried to hand it to their right hand, and it's

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02:12:41.600 --> 02:12:45.199
<v Speaker 1>hard for most left handed people to actually stay left handed. True,

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02:12:45.319 --> 02:12:49.520
<v Speaker 1>So I'm amidextrious in almost everything I do. I've also

2452
02:12:49.560 --> 02:12:52.439
<v Speaker 1>broken my wrist quite a few times, but I'm amidextrious

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02:12:52.520 --> 02:12:55.199
<v Speaker 1>because I had two right handed parents and they would

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02:12:55.199 --> 02:12:57.840
<v Speaker 1>consistently try to hand me things or show me in

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02:12:57.880 --> 02:13:00.640
<v Speaker 1>a right handed way, and so I I like learn

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02:13:00.680 --> 02:13:02.720
<v Speaker 1>how to do it that way. But my dominant hand

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02:13:02.760 --> 02:13:03.479
<v Speaker 1>is left hand.

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02:13:03.560 --> 02:13:05.600
<v Speaker 2>So can you write with your right hand? I can?

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02:13:05.680 --> 02:13:06.800
<v Speaker 1>I can write with both hands.

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02:13:07.199 --> 02:13:09.479
<v Speaker 2>I'm jealous of people like you. I remember in school,

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02:13:09.479 --> 02:13:11.520
<v Speaker 2>I'd see my buddy, who was left handed, be in

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02:13:11.520 --> 02:13:12.840
<v Speaker 2>the middle of it, and this teacher would be on

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02:13:12.880 --> 02:13:16.159
<v Speaker 2>a long, wintered rant and we'd be taking notes, and

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02:13:16.199 --> 02:13:18.000
<v Speaker 2>then he'd just swap over to his right hand like

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02:13:18.039 --> 02:13:19.880
<v Speaker 2>it was no big deal, and his hands started cramping, mean,

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02:13:19.960 --> 02:13:21.760
<v Speaker 2>while the rest of us are just sucking high tit

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02:13:21.880 --> 02:13:23.880
<v Speaker 2>over here, and it's like, man, fuck you, nick.

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02:13:24.279 --> 02:13:27.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't write as good with my right hand because

2469
02:13:27.159 --> 02:13:30.039
<v Speaker 1>I don't practice it often. But I can, in fact,

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02:13:30.039 --> 02:13:33.199
<v Speaker 1>write with both hands. I can cut things with both hands.

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02:13:33.199 --> 02:13:35.439
<v Speaker 1>I can throw with both hands, catch with both hands.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right eye dominant, though, aren't you left? You're shooting eye?

2473
02:13:43.159 --> 02:13:45.920
<v Speaker 1>It would be my left, my left right, yeah, she

2474
02:13:46.039 --> 02:13:48.720
<v Speaker 1>was my Yeah, I hold on your right hand. Well, no,

2475
02:13:48.760 --> 02:13:51.279
<v Speaker 1>I shot with my gun. I shoot right handed like

2476
02:13:51.319 --> 02:13:53.199
<v Speaker 1>I hold it because that's the only way. They they

2477
02:13:53.199 --> 02:13:54.960
<v Speaker 1>couldn't figure out. They were like, eh, we're not going

2478
02:13:55.039 --> 02:13:57.760
<v Speaker 1>to teach you the other way. So that hard, I know.

2479
02:13:57.840 --> 02:14:00.439
<v Speaker 1>But they were like, no, you're the only one. And

2480
02:14:00.479 --> 02:14:04.119
<v Speaker 1>I was like, okay, hi, so all right then I've

2481
02:14:04.119 --> 02:14:07.079
<v Speaker 1>only shot with my left hand, like with my you know,

2482
02:14:07.119 --> 02:14:11.279
<v Speaker 1>holding it that way like two times. Ever, Wow, I

2483
02:14:11.319 --> 02:14:13.039
<v Speaker 1>wonder if I'm better at it that way.

2484
02:14:13.359 --> 02:14:15.680
<v Speaker 2>I'd be very curious to find out. You have to

2485
02:14:15.680 --> 02:14:19.159
<v Speaker 2>make a range day happen one of these things? Hell yeah, anyway.

2486
02:14:19.399 --> 02:14:24.359
<v Speaker 2>Left hand entities such as Exis and where to find

2487
02:14:24.439 --> 02:14:29.439
<v Speaker 2>offerings to the arishas Issue and Legba derive from the

2488
02:14:29.520 --> 02:14:33.199
<v Speaker 2>same African deity, although they are viewed in markedly different

2489
02:14:33.359 --> 02:14:37.119
<v Speaker 2>manners among traditions. For example, Papa Legba is considered by

2490
02:14:37.119 --> 02:14:40.840
<v Speaker 2>Haitian Boodoo practitioners to be closest to Saint Peter, although

2491
02:14:40.880 --> 02:14:45.800
<v Speaker 2>in Brazilian Quimbonda Quimbonda I don't speak Portuguese, it is

2492
02:14:45.840 --> 02:14:49.479
<v Speaker 2>not uncommon to see Exu closely associated with demonic entities

2493
02:14:49.479 --> 02:14:55.520
<v Speaker 2>such as Lucifer Cladden, Mephistophelean attire and bearing a trident. Yeah,

2494
02:14:55.560 --> 02:14:59.479
<v Speaker 2>Mephistopheles is also he was dressed in the tradition like

2495
02:14:59.560 --> 02:15:03.680
<v Speaker 2>a jesh okay red though everything was red top to bottom,

2496
02:15:04.479 --> 02:15:08.319
<v Speaker 2>the little wispy mustache curled up the little like the old.

2497
02:15:08.159 --> 02:15:10.960
<v Speaker 1>So the old school, like the really old school version

2498
02:15:11.000 --> 02:15:11.880
<v Speaker 1>of a devil.

2499
02:15:11.880 --> 02:15:14.279
<v Speaker 2>That was taken on because of Mephistopheles.

2500
02:15:14.399 --> 02:15:16.039
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so in.

2501
02:15:16.079 --> 02:15:20.159
<v Speaker 2>Modern fiction, and also bearing a trident that also came.

2502
02:15:20.079 --> 02:15:22.880
<v Speaker 1>Around to them. The modern we'll talk about good old

2503
02:15:23.279 --> 02:15:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Robert Johnson, so you don't have to read that.

2504
02:15:25.199 --> 02:15:26.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, all right.

2505
02:15:26.640 --> 02:15:29.279
<v Speaker 1>So, as we see crossroads.

2506
02:15:28.560 --> 02:15:31.279
<v Speaker 2>Hold a lot of significance to a lot of cultures

2507
02:15:31.520 --> 02:15:33.319
<v Speaker 2>throughout the course of human history. This is not a

2508
02:15:33.359 --> 02:15:36.560
<v Speaker 2>modern construct by any means. So as we're talking about

2509
02:15:36.600 --> 02:15:39.319
<v Speaker 2>people making a deal with the devil for their soul

2510
02:15:39.359 --> 02:15:46.239
<v Speaker 2>in exchange for you know, better playing abilities, money, power, knowledge,

2511
02:15:46.239 --> 02:15:49.399
<v Speaker 2>whatever the case it be. Now we cut to the

2512
02:15:49.479 --> 02:15:50.600
<v Speaker 2>nineteen twenties.

2513
02:15:51.359 --> 02:15:52.520
<v Speaker 1>So now we're gonna.

2514
02:15:52.239 --> 02:15:56.840
<v Speaker 2>Cut from the older stories of the crossroads and these

2515
02:15:56.880 --> 02:15:59.520
<v Speaker 2>deals with the devil and bring it more to the

2516
02:15:59.640 --> 02:16:03.279
<v Speaker 2>modern day, or closer to the modern day anyway, because

2517
02:16:03.319 --> 02:16:05.880
<v Speaker 2>we have all heard these stories of these musicians and

2518
02:16:05.920 --> 02:16:08.840
<v Speaker 2>these old blues players, and we've heard a couple of

2519
02:16:08.920 --> 02:16:11.479
<v Speaker 2>references to Robert Johnson who sold a soul to the

2520
02:16:11.520 --> 02:16:14.399
<v Speaker 2>devil at the crossroads. But believe it or not, there

2521
02:16:14.560 --> 02:16:20.640
<v Speaker 2>is a predecessor to that Johnson, another gentleman named Tommy Johnson, who,

2522
02:16:20.680 --> 02:16:23.399
<v Speaker 2>according to the legend in the myth and his own omission,

2523
02:16:23.800 --> 02:16:26.199
<v Speaker 2>sold his soul to the devil at the crossroads in

2524
02:16:26.199 --> 02:16:30.319
<v Speaker 2>Mississippi to become an excellent blues player before Robert Johnson

2525
02:16:30.399 --> 02:16:33.319
<v Speaker 2>was ever a thing. Let's learn about this together. Tommy

2526
02:16:33.399 --> 02:16:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Johnson the first blue star to sell his soul to

2527
02:16:36.079 --> 02:16:39.040
<v Speaker 2>the devil. This is actually written in June of this year.

2528
02:16:39.680 --> 02:16:44.280
<v Speaker 2>Musical prowess and Satan's supposed a diabolical influence predates rock

2529
02:16:44.319 --> 02:16:46.920
<v Speaker 2>and roll by a long stretch, while it takes a

2530
02:16:47.000 --> 02:16:51.680
<v Speaker 2>forbidden diabolis in musica cord indulged by rebellious composers in

2531
02:16:51.680 --> 02:16:58.120
<v Speaker 2>the Middle Ages are likely apocryphal. Italian violinist Pagini or

2532
02:16:58.239 --> 02:17:02.680
<v Speaker 2>Paganini centuries later, was deemed so grippingly brilliant only a

2533
02:17:02.799 --> 02:17:06.559
<v Speaker 2>fausy impact with a dark power could have granted the

2534
02:17:06.680 --> 02:17:12.520
<v Speaker 2>Genoese vertuasso violin player Jesus with electrifying technique. One concert

2535
02:17:12.559 --> 02:17:15.799
<v Speaker 2>at Indian Vienna reported to witness loose for himself, guiding

2536
02:17:16.440 --> 02:17:21.159
<v Speaker 2>Paganini's frenzied arm bowing. By the time popular music arrived,

2537
02:17:21.319 --> 02:17:24.360
<v Speaker 2>many rock stars knew the marketed capital to be had

2538
02:17:24.440 --> 02:17:29.360
<v Speaker 2>from winding winding up American pastors and cozying up to

2539
02:17:29.399 --> 02:17:32.000
<v Speaker 2>the evil one. Yeah, I know, you said that you're

2540
02:17:32.040 --> 02:17:36.239
<v Speaker 2>bad at reading soul line. So they saw the marketing

2541
02:17:36.319 --> 02:17:39.440
<v Speaker 2>capital of, you know, just getting all these pastors all

2542
02:17:39.520 --> 02:17:42.399
<v Speaker 2>gassed up and getting all cozy up to the devil.

2543
02:17:42.440 --> 02:17:45.079
<v Speaker 2>They saw this as a big marketing potential, right, big

2544
02:17:45.120 --> 02:17:49.000
<v Speaker 2>photo op, or at least expressing ambivalence to the church,

2545
02:17:49.559 --> 02:17:53.440
<v Speaker 2>while tongue in cheek preacher knickers were nonetheless twisted when

2546
02:17:53.479 --> 02:17:56.239
<v Speaker 2>the Rolling Stones dared to offer sympathy for the devil

2547
02:17:56.319 --> 02:18:00.000
<v Speaker 2>on the nineteen sixty nine s Let It Bleed Sacrilegious.

2548
02:18:00.520 --> 02:18:04.319
<v Speaker 2>John Lennon's Bigger Than Jesus quip resulted in mountains of

2549
02:18:04.360 --> 02:18:07.440
<v Speaker 2>the Beatles records and merchandise lit in flames across the

2550
02:18:07.479 --> 02:18:11.440
<v Speaker 2>state's Bible belts, and led Zeppelin's Jimmy Page was such

2551
02:18:11.440 --> 02:18:14.440
<v Speaker 2>a fan of the occult he bought the esoteric poet

2552
02:18:14.479 --> 02:18:17.680
<v Speaker 2>Alistair Crowley's old home in Scotland's lock Ness.

2553
02:18:18.479 --> 02:18:18.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is.

2554
02:18:19.399 --> 02:18:23.159
<v Speaker 2>All of these statements are very, very true. The Devil's

2555
02:18:23.239 --> 02:18:28.079
<v Speaker 2>deal that shaped Mississippi blues mythology before the Three Temple

2556
02:18:28.159 --> 02:18:32.399
<v Speaker 2>ov psychic Youth's industrial quote unquote magic with a K,

2557
02:18:33.000 --> 02:18:38.360
<v Speaker 2>or even Black Sabbath's bedeviled notations that birthed heavy metal

2558
02:18:38.719 --> 02:18:42.079
<v Speaker 2>Handshakes with Beel's above were associated with the Delta blues

2559
02:18:42.159 --> 02:18:46.079
<v Speaker 2>musicians playing the juke joints and small clubs across Mississippi.

2560
02:18:46.079 --> 02:18:50.239
<v Speaker 2>Between the world wars cemented into American lore is Robert Johnson,

2561
02:18:50.600 --> 02:18:54.680
<v Speaker 2>the Hazelhurst guitar player whose raw and urgent blue style

2562
02:18:54.760 --> 02:18:57.040
<v Speaker 2>was said to have been shaped by Old Nick at

2563
02:18:57.120 --> 02:19:01.360
<v Speaker 2>midnight meeting. At a midnight meeting, Yeah, old Nick, I've

2564
02:19:01.360 --> 02:19:04.799
<v Speaker 2>heard Satan be called that too by some European cultures,

2565
02:19:05.200 --> 02:19:09.079
<v Speaker 2>tuning the guitar himself with his black magic. Yet this

2566
02:19:09.200 --> 02:19:12.959
<v Speaker 2>tale is lifted from another Delta Blues pioneer who cultivated

2567
02:19:13.000 --> 02:19:17.399
<v Speaker 2>a similar deal with the devil myth those years previously. Allegedly,

2568
02:19:18.000 --> 02:19:21.719
<v Speaker 2>he's said to have sold his soul by the Dockery

2569
02:19:21.799 --> 02:19:26.879
<v Speaker 2>Plantation Crossroads in exchange for his masterful blues technique. Crystal Springs.

2570
02:19:27.040 --> 02:19:30.639
<v Speaker 2>Tommy Johnson no relation to Robert Johnson, I might add,

2571
02:19:30.840 --> 02:19:35.120
<v Speaker 2>would further his eerie excentricity by carrying a rabbit's foot

2572
02:19:35.159 --> 02:19:39.479
<v Speaker 2>with him as a spooky talisman prop oh and earned

2573
02:19:39.479 --> 02:19:44.520
<v Speaker 2>a reputation for volatile performances, including playing the guitar between

2574
02:19:44.559 --> 02:19:47.079
<v Speaker 2>his legs and tossing his instrument in the air.

2575
02:19:48.239 --> 02:19:51.440
<v Speaker 1>How volatile perform.

2576
02:19:51.200 --> 02:19:54.840
<v Speaker 2>Gandalus playing the guitar between his legs. Ah, my God,

2577
02:19:54.959 --> 02:20:00.200
<v Speaker 2>how promiscuous of the devil. Clearly Johnson would stay and

2578
02:20:00.280 --> 02:20:03.280
<v Speaker 2>as one of the day's most influential bluesman if eclipsed

2579
02:20:03.280 --> 02:20:07.799
<v Speaker 2>by Robert Johnson's captivating mystique, if not by rather taught

2580
02:20:07.799 --> 02:20:11.559
<v Speaker 2>by his older brother Laddel Johnson's siblings, tutor would regale

2581
02:20:11.600 --> 02:20:14.319
<v Speaker 2>for years how the curious young blues enthusiast ran away

2582
02:20:14.319 --> 02:20:16.840
<v Speaker 2>from home for two years and returned with a god

2583
02:20:16.879 --> 02:20:21.120
<v Speaker 2>given or from some other supernatural being, knack for blues

2584
02:20:21.159 --> 02:20:25.120
<v Speaker 2>guitar and effortlessly falsetto vocals. This legend would be told

2585
02:20:25.159 --> 02:20:28.000
<v Speaker 2>for years, becoming a key feature of the local culture

2586
02:20:28.120 --> 02:20:32.440
<v Speaker 2>lore that surrounded the fascination with Johnson's work. Johnson spent

2587
02:20:32.440 --> 02:20:34.559
<v Speaker 2>the rest of his life in Crystal Springs, playing a

2588
02:20:34.600 --> 02:20:38.159
<v Speaker 2>popular acclaim throughout the nineteen forties and dying of a

2589
02:20:38.200 --> 02:20:41.799
<v Speaker 2>heart attack in nineteen fifty six just after playing a show,

2590
02:20:42.000 --> 02:20:45.719
<v Speaker 2>and was later buried in Warm Springs Methodist Church cemetery.

2591
02:20:46.360 --> 02:20:50.040
<v Speaker 2>Yet the litany of primitive recordings Johnson cut would leave

2592
02:20:50.239 --> 02:20:54.840
<v Speaker 2>an indelible legacy, influencing everybody from Howling Wolf to Houston

2593
02:20:54.920 --> 02:20:58.680
<v Speaker 2>Stackhouse and reaching for the old master spirits of raw

2594
02:20:58.760 --> 02:21:02.280
<v Speaker 2>and gripping blues Showman Ship rested from the clutches of

2595
02:21:02.360 --> 02:21:06.200
<v Speaker 2>another world. See a couple of songs by him you

2596
02:21:06.280 --> 02:21:10.200
<v Speaker 2>may have not heard before. Cool Drink of Water Blues,

2597
02:21:10.680 --> 02:21:16.239
<v Speaker 2>Big Road Blues, Bye Bye Blues, Maggie Campbell Blues, Canned

2598
02:21:16.280 --> 02:21:21.680
<v Speaker 2>Heat Blues, Lonesome Home, Big Fat Mama. I wondered to myself,

2599
02:21:21.959 --> 02:21:25.399
<v Speaker 2>sliding Delta. Yeah, he had quite a repertoire, to be

2600
02:21:25.479 --> 02:21:29.479
<v Speaker 2>honest with you, alcohol and Jake Blues.

2601
02:21:30.000 --> 02:21:32.600
<v Speaker 1>So he disappears for two years. He had no talent

2602
02:21:32.639 --> 02:21:35.120
<v Speaker 1>beforehand and comes back just like epic.

2603
02:21:35.600 --> 02:21:37.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if he had no talent before or not,

2604
02:21:37.280 --> 02:21:40.600
<v Speaker 2>because he was taught by his brother beforehand, at least

2605
02:21:40.719 --> 02:21:42.040
<v Speaker 2>the basics of how to play.

2606
02:21:43.079 --> 02:21:47.040
<v Speaker 1>But so you know, he could come back and have

2607
02:21:47.120 --> 02:21:47.920
<v Speaker 1>actual talent.

2608
02:21:48.000 --> 02:21:51.000
<v Speaker 2>But you know, and by his own emission. He claims

2609
02:21:51.000 --> 02:21:53.000
<v Speaker 2>that he sold his soul to the devil to play good.

2610
02:21:53.239 --> 02:21:55.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh so he admitted to it. Yeah all right, you

2611
02:21:56.239 --> 02:21:57.159
<v Speaker 1>helped him out then.

2612
02:21:57.399 --> 02:21:59.440
<v Speaker 2>Right right. And if you've ever seen O Brother were

2613
02:21:59.559 --> 02:22:03.120
<v Speaker 2>Art thou I have, of course fact because you have culture.

2614
02:22:03.680 --> 02:22:06.559
<v Speaker 2>And if you live in the Southern states of the

2615
02:22:06.680 --> 02:22:09.440
<v Speaker 2>United States and you haven't seen that movie, then you

2616
02:22:09.479 --> 02:22:11.879
<v Speaker 2>need to fix yourself. It is, in fact a part

2617
02:22:11.879 --> 02:22:12.559
<v Speaker 2>of your culture.

2618
02:22:12.719 --> 02:22:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Damn. Yeah, no, I absolutely I will. I will fuck

2619
02:22:18.000 --> 02:22:20.319
<v Speaker 1>with that song so hard. I listened to it at

2620
02:22:20.399 --> 02:22:22.799
<v Speaker 1>least once a month. I feel like I'm not joking.

2621
02:22:22.879 --> 02:22:24.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm like evening, you know.

2622
02:22:24.959 --> 02:22:27.920
<v Speaker 2>George Clooney actually didn't sing it. Yeah, I voiced over.

2623
02:22:28.000 --> 02:22:30.879
<v Speaker 2>He was pissed about it because like he went to

2624
02:22:30.920 --> 02:22:33.319
<v Speaker 2>the recording studio one day and like sang it out

2625
02:22:33.360 --> 02:22:34.760
<v Speaker 2>and he thought he did great, and he comes out

2626
02:22:34.760 --> 02:22:35.600
<v Speaker 2>and everybody's.

2627
02:22:35.200 --> 02:22:38.399
<v Speaker 1>Like, mm hmmm great, So that was great.

2628
02:22:38.399 --> 02:22:38.760
<v Speaker 2>It's great.

2629
02:22:39.520 --> 02:22:41.280
<v Speaker 1>So here's the guy that's gonna be singing the song.

2630
02:22:41.360 --> 02:22:42.559
<v Speaker 1>He just pulled up and he's like.

2631
02:22:42.520 --> 02:22:46.879
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, fine, okay, never mind, Sorry, George Clooney, don't

2632
02:22:46.879 --> 02:22:47.360
<v Speaker 2>get all the fun.

2633
02:22:47.479 --> 02:22:50.040
<v Speaker 1>Have you ever actually heard like a voice recording you like,

2634
02:22:50.079 --> 02:22:52.680
<v Speaker 1>you're thinking you're just slaying it, and then you actually

2635
02:22:52.719 --> 02:22:57.079
<v Speaker 1>hear yourself singing and how offbeat. Like, at least for me,

2636
02:22:57.319 --> 02:22:59.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yeah, I'm doing so good. And then I

2637
02:22:59.319 --> 02:23:02.719
<v Speaker 1>heard myself and I was like, this is why I

2638
02:23:02.879 --> 02:23:04.600
<v Speaker 1>do not perform music.

2639
02:23:04.719 --> 02:23:08.280
<v Speaker 2>So I can sing. I'm not saying I'm like the

2640
02:23:08.360 --> 02:23:12.760
<v Speaker 2>songbird of a generation ninety fucking means, but I can sing.

2641
02:23:12.879 --> 02:23:14.639
<v Speaker 2>It depends on the song, depends on if it's in

2642
02:23:14.639 --> 02:23:17.959
<v Speaker 2>my octave or not. Uh, but yes, to your point,

2643
02:23:18.000 --> 02:23:20.719
<v Speaker 2>I've listened back later on and been like, oh, I

2644
02:23:20.760 --> 02:23:26.159
<v Speaker 2>did not like that. But the microphone does things to

2645
02:23:26.200 --> 02:23:28.719
<v Speaker 2>your voice. It sounds different in a mic than it

2646
02:23:28.719 --> 02:23:31.920
<v Speaker 2>does in your own head. And that's yeah, that's something

2647
02:23:31.959 --> 02:23:33.360
<v Speaker 2>that took me a good long while to.

2648
02:23:34.040 --> 02:23:36.280
<v Speaker 1>Cause I've heard my voice when we were playing like

2649
02:23:36.399 --> 02:23:39.760
<v Speaker 1>back on episode and I'm like, oh my god, I

2650
02:23:39.879 --> 02:23:42.280
<v Speaker 1>sound like that because in my head I have a

2651
02:23:42.319 --> 02:23:46.200
<v Speaker 1>lot deeper voice, yeah, than what I have on the mic.

2652
02:23:46.319 --> 02:23:50.319
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, wow, I sound really ultra girly

2653
02:23:51.159 --> 02:23:54.559
<v Speaker 1>on the microphone than any more in fact a girl though,

2654
02:23:54.799 --> 02:23:58.520
<v Speaker 1>I know, but my voice in my head is way deeper,

2655
02:23:58.959 --> 02:24:01.440
<v Speaker 1>and like I have a deeper girl voice than most

2656
02:24:01.559 --> 02:24:03.079
<v Speaker 1>girls that I know of.

2657
02:24:03.319 --> 02:24:06.639
<v Speaker 2>Oh you do you do? It's not like way deeper,

2658
02:24:06.799 --> 02:24:10.719
<v Speaker 2>it's low. Oh my god, stop, No, it's not gravel.

2659
02:24:10.760 --> 02:24:14.120
<v Speaker 2>You don't smoke to Carton to day, but like it's uh,

2660
02:24:14.239 --> 02:24:17.680
<v Speaker 2>you definitely have a lower octave voice than most females.

2661
02:24:17.680 --> 02:24:21.799
<v Speaker 2>But what I can't stand. And I've seen men do

2662
02:24:21.959 --> 02:24:23.000
<v Speaker 2>very similar things.

2663
02:24:24.399 --> 02:24:25.000
<v Speaker 1>You ever see him do?

2664
02:24:25.120 --> 02:24:27.319
<v Speaker 2>Take a phone call and all of a sudden, what's

2665
02:24:27.360 --> 02:24:30.799
<v Speaker 2>going on? Yeah, like you drop your voice on the

2666
02:24:30.840 --> 02:24:34.600
<v Speaker 2>phone for no reason whatever. Girls do the flip opposite.

2667
02:24:34.440 --> 02:24:35.159
<v Speaker 1>Hey, how's it going?

2668
02:24:36.600 --> 02:24:37.120
<v Speaker 2>What I answer?

2669
02:24:37.159 --> 02:24:39.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I'm like, Hi, how's going?

2670
02:24:39.639 --> 02:24:42.200
<v Speaker 2>It's I've never understood it.

2671
02:24:42.479 --> 02:24:44.959
<v Speaker 1>I don't either, But my kid does that when he

2672
02:24:45.000 --> 02:24:46.000
<v Speaker 1>answers the phone, He's.

2673
02:24:45.879 --> 02:24:48.760
<v Speaker 2>Like, Hey, is it going on? Oh my god?

2674
02:24:49.479 --> 02:24:52.399
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, I was like, you haven't even hit puberty.

2675
02:24:52.399 --> 02:24:55.440
<v Speaker 1>What are you talking about? Like, I have a deeper

2676
02:24:55.479 --> 02:24:59.399
<v Speaker 1>voice than you. What are you talking? Big? Don't let

2677
02:24:59.479 --> 02:25:05.879
<v Speaker 1>him hear this emotion on DA anyway anyway.

2678
02:25:05.959 --> 02:25:11.200
<v Speaker 2>So yes, apparently this guy claimed himself Tommy Johnson that

2679
02:25:11.479 --> 02:25:14.000
<v Speaker 2>he sold his sold of the Devil, the character of

2680
02:25:14.040 --> 02:25:17.479
<v Speaker 2>Tommy Johnson in O Brother, where Art thou is literally

2681
02:25:17.520 --> 02:25:19.879
<v Speaker 2>based after this guy. Everybody thinks it's based off of

2682
02:25:20.000 --> 02:25:23.399
<v Speaker 2>Robert Johnson. His name was Tommy Johnson. In the movie

2683
02:25:24.120 --> 02:25:25.959
<v Speaker 2>Tommy Johnson is the guy who sold a sord of

2684
02:25:25.959 --> 02:25:26.280
<v Speaker 2>the Devil.

2685
02:25:26.319 --> 02:25:27.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I would be telling people I sold

2686
02:25:27.799 --> 02:25:29.840
<v Speaker 1>my soul to the devil. I don't think i'd be like, Hey,

2687
02:25:29.840 --> 02:25:32.680
<v Speaker 1>by the way, did you know, like over some tea, Hey,

2688
02:25:32.760 --> 02:25:34.639
<v Speaker 1>did you know that I sold my soul to the

2689
02:25:34.639 --> 02:25:36.200
<v Speaker 1>devil to become famous?

2690
02:25:36.680 --> 02:25:39.840
<v Speaker 2>No, it's not like something he just like randomly brought up.

2691
02:25:39.879 --> 02:25:43.760
<v Speaker 2>He was asked about it. That being said, I agree

2692
02:25:43.799 --> 02:25:47.879
<v Speaker 2>with you, but he also saw the capital potential in

2693
02:25:48.000 --> 02:25:49.719
<v Speaker 2>saying that, because if nothing else is going to get

2694
02:25:49.760 --> 02:25:50.479
<v Speaker 2>your notoriety.

2695
02:25:50.680 --> 02:25:51.879
<v Speaker 1>How old was he when he died?

2696
02:25:53.639 --> 02:25:56.159
<v Speaker 2>Let's see here, I don't really know if he even

2697
02:25:56.200 --> 02:25:57.120
<v Speaker 2>said when he was born.

2698
02:25:57.200 --> 02:25:59.280
<v Speaker 1>I didn't think it said when he was born. It

2699
02:25:59.280 --> 02:26:01.840
<v Speaker 1>said when he died, but I didn't see. I'm just

2700
02:26:01.879 --> 02:26:03.719
<v Speaker 1>wondering if he's a part of the twenty seven club

2701
02:26:04.120 --> 02:26:05.520
<v Speaker 1>that I'm going to get too laid off.

2702
02:26:06.680 --> 02:26:09.719
<v Speaker 2>I know he died rather young. Now you got me

2703
02:26:09.760 --> 02:26:14.000
<v Speaker 2>worried on. Yeah, we're looking this up in real time.

2704
02:26:14.079 --> 02:26:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Good cult members let's see, he was born in eighteen

2705
02:26:17.639 --> 02:26:20.840
<v Speaker 2>ninety six and died in nineteen fifty six.

2706
02:26:21.200 --> 02:26:22.799
<v Speaker 1>So no, nope, Now.

2707
02:26:22.840 --> 02:26:27.040
<v Speaker 2>He lived at least a decently moderately good life.

2708
02:26:27.239 --> 02:26:28.959
<v Speaker 1>All right, alongevity skiles.

2709
02:26:29.040 --> 02:26:33.399
<v Speaker 2>Now let's talk about Robert Johnson, who sold his soul

2710
02:26:33.479 --> 02:26:37.000
<v Speaker 2>to the devil in Rosedale, Mississippi. Oh God, the script

2711
02:26:37.040 --> 02:26:38.840
<v Speaker 2>is small. Im have to zoom in. Good cult members,

2712
02:26:38.840 --> 02:26:40.000
<v Speaker 2>if you would like to see what the hell we're

2713
02:26:40.040 --> 02:26:43.399
<v Speaker 2>talking about here, then you're so small. Yeah, and it's

2714
02:26:43.440 --> 02:26:46.000
<v Speaker 2>not letting me zoom in because they're being ridiculous. Oh

2715
02:26:46.000 --> 02:26:47.479
<v Speaker 2>my gosh, there we go.

2716
02:26:47.600 --> 02:26:50.360
<v Speaker 1>Hey, old people tell me about it.

2717
02:26:51.760 --> 02:26:53.840
<v Speaker 2>So this is actually written in two thousand and four,

2718
02:26:54.079 --> 02:26:56.719
<v Speaker 2>this article. Last month, while I was driving down the

2719
02:26:56.760 --> 02:26:59.479
<v Speaker 2>Mississippi River on a magazine assignment, I had a curious

2720
02:26:59.520 --> 02:27:02.680
<v Speaker 2>experience in Rosedale, Mississippi. As I was eating lunch in

2721
02:27:02.719 --> 02:27:05.719
<v Speaker 2>a place called Leo's Market, a waitress mentioned that Rosedale

2722
02:27:05.799 --> 02:27:08.559
<v Speaker 2>is the place where the legendary bluesman Robert Johnson sold

2723
02:27:08.600 --> 02:27:10.959
<v Speaker 2>his soul to the devil in exchange for a musical genius,

2724
02:27:11.280 --> 02:27:14.920
<v Speaker 2>an event alluded to in, among other places, the Coen Brothers.

2725
02:27:15.360 --> 02:27:19.799
<v Speaker 2>Actually they're Coen sisters now movie, Oh brother, we're art thou. Yeah,

2726
02:27:19.840 --> 02:27:24.040
<v Speaker 2>both of them transitioned quote unquote to women who the

2727
02:27:24.040 --> 02:27:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Coen brothers who directed that and the Matrix and all

2728
02:27:26.879 --> 02:27:32.799
<v Speaker 2>the stuff. They both identify as women. Now they're not

2729
02:27:32.879 --> 02:27:36.920
<v Speaker 2>postop or anything. They just be identifying. But yeah, okay.

2730
02:27:37.000 --> 02:27:38.840
<v Speaker 1>I had no idea that was a vibe. I was like,

2731
02:27:38.879 --> 02:27:39.959
<v Speaker 1>who are we talking about?

2732
02:27:40.079 --> 02:27:41.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is a two thousand and four So I

2733
02:27:41.600 --> 02:27:45.399
<v Speaker 2>don't want to be dead naming nobody because I'm a

2734
02:27:45.399 --> 02:27:49.959
<v Speaker 2>person of the people or whatever. The fuck. I feel

2735
02:27:50.000 --> 02:27:51.040
<v Speaker 2>your eyes from here.

2736
02:27:51.159 --> 02:27:55.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my face is speaking very loudly, being so loud

2737
02:27:55.639 --> 02:27:57.840
<v Speaker 1>right now to those that can't see my face. I'm

2738
02:27:57.840 --> 02:28:00.879
<v Speaker 1>giving him a look of like, okay, yeah, now has that.

2739
02:28:01.200 --> 02:28:04.000
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm about the culture, but not that dumb shit.

2740
02:28:04.959 --> 02:28:07.319
<v Speaker 2>As if to prove it, the waitress handed me a wrinkled,

2741
02:28:07.440 --> 02:28:11.959
<v Speaker 2>typewritten transcript of a quote unquote vision about Johnson's fateful

2742
02:28:12.000 --> 02:28:15.120
<v Speaker 2>moment that it appeared to blues mean Henry Goodman as

2743
02:28:15.159 --> 02:28:18.680
<v Speaker 2>he was traveling the road from Rosedale to Anguilla. For

2744
02:28:18.719 --> 02:28:21.639
<v Speaker 2>the sake of posterity and because I have never seen

2745
02:28:21.680 --> 02:28:24.840
<v Speaker 2>it elsewhere, I am publishing Goodman's vision in full below,

2746
02:28:24.959 --> 02:28:29.959
<v Speaker 2>as well as a PostScript by Rosedale's Crossroad Blues Society. Interestingly,

2747
02:28:30.079 --> 02:28:32.559
<v Speaker 2>there are other contenders to the myth of Robert Johnson's

2748
02:28:32.559 --> 02:28:36.559
<v Speaker 2>devil Purchase Soul at the crossroads of US sixty one

2749
02:28:37.000 --> 02:28:40.520
<v Speaker 2>and US forty nine in Clarksdale is where most blues

2750
02:28:40.600 --> 02:28:44.719
<v Speaker 2>tourists pay their respects. A news Romantics album called sixty

2751
02:28:44.760 --> 02:28:48.079
<v Speaker 2>one forty nine for this reason. Of course, as with

2752
02:28:48.239 --> 02:28:51.559
<v Speaker 2>ancient Roman tourists setting off to find quote unquote sites

2753
02:28:51.600 --> 02:28:54.799
<v Speaker 2>from Greek myths, the location of Johnson's crossroad is not

2754
02:28:54.879 --> 02:28:57.479
<v Speaker 2>exactly something that can be proven. He was born in

2755
02:28:57.520 --> 02:29:01.000
<v Speaker 2>Hazlehurst and is supposed to an I suppose grave is

2756
02:29:01.040 --> 02:29:06.159
<v Speaker 2>in Queto near Ida, Benham. But Rosedale did figure in

2757
02:29:06.239 --> 02:29:09.920
<v Speaker 2>the lyrics for one of Johnson's most famous songs, Traveling

2758
02:29:10.000 --> 02:29:13.360
<v Speaker 2>Riverside Blues is a direct quote from the song and says, Lord,

2759
02:29:13.440 --> 02:29:16.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to Rosedale, gonna take my rider to by

2760
02:29:16.840 --> 02:29:21.799
<v Speaker 2>my side. Traveling Rosedale Blue or Riverside Blues has a

2761
02:29:21.959 --> 02:29:25.200
<v Speaker 2>huge influence on rock and roll and was remade as

2762
02:29:25.399 --> 02:29:29.959
<v Speaker 2>Cross Crossroads by Eric Clapton, which mentions Rosedale with the

2763
02:29:30.000 --> 02:29:33.920
<v Speaker 2>same phrase. Johnson uses. It was also covered by Led Zeppelin,

2764
02:29:34.120 --> 02:29:38.600
<v Speaker 2>whose more well known Lemon song famously steals a lyric

2765
02:29:38.680 --> 02:29:41.559
<v Speaker 2>from that same Johnson tomb. You can squeeze my lemon

2766
02:29:41.600 --> 02:29:44.719
<v Speaker 2>until the juice runs down my leg. Apparently that is

2767
02:29:44.760 --> 02:29:50.200
<v Speaker 2>a lyric from this. None of this proves much about

2768
02:29:50.280 --> 02:29:53.319
<v Speaker 2>Robert Johnson's Crossroads, of course, but I, for one, like

2769
02:29:53.399 --> 02:29:56.280
<v Speaker 2>the notion that had happened in Rosedale. The text of

2770
02:29:56.399 --> 02:30:00.360
<v Speaker 2>the quote unquote vision follows, So now hear about this

2771
02:30:00.440 --> 02:30:03.959
<v Speaker 2>vision meeting with the devil at the crossroads, a vision

2772
02:30:04.280 --> 02:30:08.399
<v Speaker 2>told by Henry Goodman. Robert Johnson been playing down in

2773
02:30:08.520 --> 02:30:14.319
<v Speaker 2>Yazoo City and over a bellow beluah sure, trying to

2774
02:30:14.360 --> 02:30:17.200
<v Speaker 2>get back up to Helena Rode left him out on

2775
02:30:17.239 --> 02:30:20.239
<v Speaker 2>the road next to the levee, walking up the highway,

2776
02:30:20.360 --> 02:30:23.639
<v Speaker 2>guitar in his hand, propped up on his shoulder. October,

2777
02:30:23.639 --> 02:30:26.360
<v Speaker 2>cool night, full moon, filling up the dark sky. Robert

2778
02:30:26.440 --> 02:30:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Johnson thinking about or Sunhouse, preaching to him. Put that

2779
02:30:31.079 --> 02:30:35.680
<v Speaker 2>guitar down, boy, You driving people nuts. Robert Johnson needing

2780
02:30:35.680 --> 02:30:39.280
<v Speaker 2>as always a woman in some whiskey, big trees all around,

2781
02:30:39.600 --> 02:30:43.200
<v Speaker 2>dark and lonesome road, A crazed, poisoned dog howling and

2782
02:30:43.239 --> 02:30:47.239
<v Speaker 2>moaning in a ditch alongside the road, sending electrified chills

2783
02:30:47.360 --> 02:30:50.879
<v Speaker 2>up and down. Robert Johnson's spine coming up across roads

2784
02:30:51.000 --> 02:30:54.719
<v Speaker 2>just south of Rosedale. Robert Johnson, feeling bad and lonesome,

2785
02:30:55.200 --> 02:30:58.719
<v Speaker 2>knows people up the highway and Gunnison can get a

2786
02:30:58.799 --> 02:31:02.319
<v Speaker 2>drink of whiskey and more up there. But man sitting

2787
02:31:02.360 --> 02:31:04.280
<v Speaker 2>off the side of the road on a log at

2788
02:31:04.280 --> 02:31:08.559
<v Speaker 2>the crossroad says you're late, Robert Johnson. Robert Jonson drops

2789
02:31:08.600 --> 02:31:12.520
<v Speaker 2>to his knees and says maybe not. The man stands up,

2790
02:31:12.760 --> 02:31:16.360
<v Speaker 2>tall barrel, chested and black as forever closed eyes of

2791
02:31:16.440 --> 02:31:19.760
<v Speaker 2>Robert Johnson's stillborn baby, and walks out the middle of

2792
02:31:19.799 --> 02:31:23.399
<v Speaker 2>the crossroads of Robert Johnson. Kneels, he says, stand up,

2793
02:31:23.479 --> 02:31:26.479
<v Speaker 2>Robert Johnson. You want to throw that guitar over there

2794
02:31:26.479 --> 02:31:28.920
<v Speaker 2>in that ditch with that hairless dog and go on

2795
02:31:29.120 --> 02:31:32.159
<v Speaker 2>back up to Robinsville and play the harp with Willie

2796
02:31:32.159 --> 02:31:36.200
<v Speaker 2>brown AND's son, because you just another guitar player, just

2797
02:31:36.319 --> 02:31:39.600
<v Speaker 2>like all the rest or You want to play that

2798
02:31:39.639 --> 02:31:42.559
<v Speaker 2>guitar like nobody has ever played it before, make a

2799
02:31:42.639 --> 02:31:45.280
<v Speaker 2>sound nobody's ever heard before. You want to be the

2800
02:31:45.360 --> 02:31:47.520
<v Speaker 2>King of the Delta plus and have all the whiskey

2801
02:31:47.520 --> 02:31:51.559
<v Speaker 2>and women you want. That's a lot of women. Excuse me,

2802
02:31:51.559 --> 02:31:54.479
<v Speaker 2>that's a lot of whiskey and women. Devil man, I

2803
02:31:54.559 --> 02:31:58.120
<v Speaker 2>know you, Robert Johnson says. The man, Robert Johnson feels

2804
02:31:58.120 --> 02:32:00.639
<v Speaker 2>the moonlight bearing down on his head and back of

2805
02:32:00.680 --> 02:32:03.159
<v Speaker 2>his neck, as the moon seems to be growing bigger

2806
02:32:03.159 --> 02:32:06.200
<v Speaker 2>and bigger and brighter and brighter. He feels it like

2807
02:32:06.239 --> 02:32:09.559
<v Speaker 2>the heat of a noonday sun bearing down, and the

2808
02:32:09.600 --> 02:32:12.280
<v Speaker 2>howling and moaning of the dog in the ditch penetrates

2809
02:32:12.280 --> 02:32:15.239
<v Speaker 2>his soul coming up through his feet and the tips

2810
02:32:15.280 --> 02:32:18.079
<v Speaker 2>of his fingers, through his legs and arms, settling in

2811
02:32:18.120 --> 02:32:21.399
<v Speaker 2>that big empty place beneath his breastbone, causing him to

2812
02:32:21.440 --> 02:32:24.639
<v Speaker 2>shake and shudder like a man with palsy. With the palsy.

2813
02:32:24.719 --> 02:32:29.319
<v Speaker 2>Good lord, Robert Johnson says, that dog gone mad. The

2814
02:32:29.360 --> 02:32:32.920
<v Speaker 2>man laughs, that hound belonged to me. He ain't mad,

2815
02:32:33.280 --> 02:32:37.079
<v Speaker 2>He's got the blues, He's got his soul in my hand.

2816
02:32:37.399 --> 02:32:40.600
<v Speaker 2>The dog lets out a low, long, soulful moan, a

2817
02:32:40.680 --> 02:32:49.440
<v Speaker 2>howling like never heard before, rhythmic sincopagate, sincopated yeah, syncopated grunts, yelps,

2818
02:32:49.479 --> 02:32:53.399
<v Speaker 2>and barks, seizing Robert Johnson like a grand mall and

2819
02:32:53.479 --> 02:32:56.959
<v Speaker 2>causing the what this is crazy descriptions?

2820
02:32:57.239 --> 02:32:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it really is. The man said, I got his

2821
02:32:59.280 --> 02:33:02.159
<v Speaker 1>soul in my hand, and the dogs yeah I know.

2822
02:33:02.479 --> 02:33:05.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, got that dog get him as it were, and

2823
02:33:05.760 --> 02:33:08.399
<v Speaker 2>causing the strings of his guitar to vibrate, hum and

2824
02:33:08.479 --> 02:33:12.239
<v Speaker 2>sing with a sound, dark and blue, beautiful, soulful chords

2825
02:33:12.280 --> 02:33:16.879
<v Speaker 2>and notes, possessing Robert Johnson, taking him over, spinning him around,

2826
02:33:17.280 --> 02:33:20.760
<v Speaker 2>losing him inside his own self, wasting him, lifting him

2827
02:33:20.799 --> 02:33:23.600
<v Speaker 2>up into the sky. Robert Johnson looks over in the

2828
02:33:23.639 --> 02:33:25.600
<v Speaker 2>ditch and sees the eyes of the dog reflecting the

2829
02:33:25.639 --> 02:33:29.959
<v Speaker 2>bright moonlight, or, more likely so it seems to Robert Johnson,

2830
02:33:30.440 --> 02:33:36.200
<v Speaker 2>glowing on their own, a deep violet, penetrating glow. Indeed,

2831
02:33:36.559 --> 02:33:39.079
<v Speaker 2>and Robert Johnson knows and feels that he is staring

2832
02:33:39.120 --> 02:33:41.920
<v Speaker 2>into the eyes of a hell hound. As his body

2833
02:33:41.920 --> 02:33:45.440
<v Speaker 2>shudders from head to toe. The man says, the dog

2834
02:33:45.440 --> 02:33:48.520
<v Speaker 2>game for sale, Robert Johnson. But the sound can be yours.

2835
02:33:48.959 --> 02:33:52.799
<v Speaker 2>That's the sound of the Delta Blues. I gotta have

2836
02:33:52.920 --> 02:33:56.120
<v Speaker 2>that sound, devil man, that sound is mine. Where do

2837
02:33:56.200 --> 02:33:59.000
<v Speaker 2>I sign? The man says, you ain't got a pencil,

2838
02:33:59.079 --> 02:34:02.159
<v Speaker 2>Robert Johnson, Your word is good enough. All you got

2839
02:34:02.200 --> 02:34:05.159
<v Speaker 2>to do is keep walking north. But you better be prepared.

2840
02:34:05.479 --> 02:34:09.639
<v Speaker 2>There are consequences. Prepare for what devil man. You know

2841
02:34:09.680 --> 02:34:12.000
<v Speaker 2>where you are, Robert Johnson. You are standing in the

2842
02:34:12.040 --> 02:34:15.319
<v Speaker 2>middle of the crossroads at midnight. That full moon is

2843
02:34:15.399 --> 02:34:17.920
<v Speaker 2>right over your head. You take one more step, you'll

2844
02:34:17.920 --> 02:34:21.000
<v Speaker 2>be in Rosedale. You take one you take this road

2845
02:34:21.040 --> 02:34:23.399
<v Speaker 2>to the east and you'll be back over to Highway

2846
02:34:23.440 --> 02:34:26.760
<v Speaker 2>sixty one in Cleveland. Or you can turn around and

2847
02:34:26.799 --> 02:34:30.319
<v Speaker 2>go back to Belua, or just go to the west

2848
02:34:30.559 --> 02:34:32.319
<v Speaker 2>and set up on the levee and look at the river.

2849
02:34:32.680 --> 02:34:35.000
<v Speaker 2>But if you take one more step in the direction

2850
02:34:35.079 --> 02:34:38.440
<v Speaker 2>you're headed, you're going to be in Rosedale at midnight

2851
02:34:38.559 --> 02:34:41.280
<v Speaker 2>under this full October moon, and you are going to

2852
02:34:41.319 --> 02:34:44.520
<v Speaker 2>have the blues like never known to this world. My

2853
02:34:44.639 --> 02:34:47.639
<v Speaker 2>left hand will forever be wrapped around your soul, and

2854
02:34:47.680 --> 02:34:51.120
<v Speaker 2>your music will possess all who hear it. That's what's

2855
02:34:51.120 --> 02:34:54.399
<v Speaker 2>going to happen. That's what you'll be prepared for. Your

2856
02:34:54.479 --> 02:34:57.719
<v Speaker 2>soul will belong to me. This is not just any crossroads.

2857
02:34:58.120 --> 02:35:00.600
<v Speaker 2>I put this X here for a reason, and I've

2858
02:35:00.639 --> 02:35:01.479
<v Speaker 2>been waiting on you.

2859
02:35:02.959 --> 02:35:03.399
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

2860
02:35:04.000 --> 02:35:06.799
<v Speaker 2>Robert Johnson rolls his head around, his eyes upwards in

2861
02:35:06.840 --> 02:35:09.559
<v Speaker 2>their sockets, and stares at the blinding light of the moon,

2862
02:35:09.959 --> 02:35:12.920
<v Speaker 2>which has now completely filled the pitch black Delta night,

2863
02:35:13.360 --> 02:35:15.479
<v Speaker 2>piercing his right eye like a bolt of lightning. As

2864
02:35:15.520 --> 02:35:17.920
<v Speaker 2>the midnight hour hits, he looks at the big man

2865
02:35:17.959 --> 02:35:20.760
<v Speaker 2>squarely in the eyes and says, step back, devil man,

2866
02:35:21.079 --> 02:35:25.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to Rosedale. I am the Blues. The man

2867
02:35:25.280 --> 02:35:27.799
<v Speaker 2>moves to one side and says, go on, Robert Johnson,

2868
02:35:28.200 --> 02:35:30.600
<v Speaker 2>you the king of the Delta Blues. Go on home

2869
02:35:30.680 --> 02:35:33.479
<v Speaker 2>to Rosedale, and when you get up in town you

2870
02:35:33.520 --> 02:35:35.840
<v Speaker 2>get a play of some hot Tomali's because you're going

2871
02:35:35.879 --> 02:35:40.159
<v Speaker 2>to be needing something on your stomach where you're headed. Wow.

2872
02:35:40.399 --> 02:35:41.280
<v Speaker 1>That's interesting.

2873
02:35:42.159 --> 02:35:43.959
<v Speaker 2>In the postcrip, you're not gonna read the entire thing,

2874
02:35:43.959 --> 02:35:45.559
<v Speaker 2>but I did want to make a mention of this.

2875
02:35:46.000 --> 02:35:48.399
<v Speaker 2>People say that the crosswords where Robert Johnson made the

2876
02:35:48.440 --> 02:35:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Pack of the Devil is in Clarksdale, where Highway forty

2877
02:35:51.120 --> 02:35:54.040
<v Speaker 2>nine intersects with Highway sixty one, But as can be

2878
02:35:54.040 --> 02:35:56.840
<v Speaker 2>seen from the events described above, that's not the case.

2879
02:35:57.040 --> 02:36:00.479
<v Speaker 2>The crossroads on the one and only cross roads where

2880
02:36:00.520 --> 02:36:03.760
<v Speaker 2>the Delta Blues emerged as it manifested entity in the

2881
02:36:03.799 --> 02:36:06.840
<v Speaker 2>person and music of Robert Johnson, is at the south

2882
02:36:06.920 --> 02:36:10.559
<v Speaker 2>end of Rosedale, where Highway eight intersects with Highway one.

2883
02:36:11.200 --> 02:36:13.399
<v Speaker 2>This will be disputed as some people will dispute that

2884
02:36:13.479 --> 02:36:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Robert Johnson ever even made a deal with the devil.

2885
02:36:16.239 --> 02:36:19.799
<v Speaker 2>But the preacher man Sonhouse knew even though he wasn't

2886
02:36:19.840 --> 02:36:22.600
<v Speaker 2>a preacher, and if Son House were alive today, he

2887
02:36:22.719 --> 02:36:23.920
<v Speaker 2>would tell the story right.

2888
02:36:25.319 --> 02:36:26.760
<v Speaker 1>So that's interesting.

2889
02:36:27.479 --> 02:36:32.280
<v Speaker 2>It's it's wild, and I hope that everybody appreciated my colorful.

2890
02:36:31.879 --> 02:36:34.799
<v Speaker 1>Retelling of the tale. I was like, you're you got

2891
02:36:34.840 --> 02:36:36.399
<v Speaker 1>into it right there. I was trying.

2892
02:36:36.520 --> 02:36:38.079
<v Speaker 2>I was trying to read it as best I could

2893
02:36:38.079 --> 02:36:40.479
<v Speaker 2>because the way it was written, I can't just read it.

2894
02:36:40.760 --> 02:36:43.479
<v Speaker 2>You're going to sell your soul to me, Robert Johnson,

2895
02:36:43.680 --> 02:36:46.440
<v Speaker 2>What do you mean, devil man? I didn't want to.

2896
02:36:46.520 --> 02:36:47.040
<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to.

2897
02:36:47.040 --> 02:36:48.799
<v Speaker 1>Go to you like blue voices on it.

2898
02:36:49.159 --> 02:36:53.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Try So anyway, there's multiple cases, like we said,

2899
02:36:53.280 --> 02:36:56.879
<v Speaker 2>of people selling their souls to the devil for fame

2900
02:36:56.920 --> 02:37:02.040
<v Speaker 2>and fortune. Up Nesta blah blah blah blah. Words are hard. Up. Next,

2901
02:37:02.159 --> 02:37:05.319
<v Speaker 2>I have a list of ten celebrities who claim to

2902
02:37:05.399 --> 02:37:06.719
<v Speaker 2>have sold their souls to the devil.

2903
02:37:06.879 --> 02:37:09.639
<v Speaker 1>They claim it, so they actually admit openly that this

2904
02:37:09.840 --> 02:37:10.799
<v Speaker 1>is this is a vibe.

2905
02:37:11.000 --> 02:37:15.319
<v Speaker 2>Yes, indeed, one of them being Bob Dylan, the folk legend.

2906
02:37:16.040 --> 02:37:19.159
<v Speaker 2>Bob Dylan, the legendary folk rock icon, has long been

2907
02:37:19.200 --> 02:37:21.959
<v Speaker 2>at the center of rumors and speculations regarding his persona

2908
02:37:22.000 --> 02:37:25.000
<v Speaker 2>and musical prowess. While we can't say whether he actually

2909
02:37:25.000 --> 02:37:27.280
<v Speaker 2>sold his soul to the devil, his life and career

2910
02:37:27.319 --> 02:37:29.200
<v Speaker 2>have been shrouded in mystique.

2911
02:37:29.799 --> 02:37:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, fair enough.

2912
02:37:31.680 --> 02:37:35.120
<v Speaker 2>Some even suggest that his Highway sixty one revisited album

2913
02:37:35.159 --> 02:37:38.639
<v Speaker 2>cover featuring an eerie crossroad sign, is a subtle nod

2914
02:37:38.719 --> 02:37:41.200
<v Speaker 2>to the classic blues legend of the Devil's Pack.

2915
02:37:42.360 --> 02:37:44.799
<v Speaker 1>Well, they're all about their symbolism, so I wouldn't doubt it.

2916
02:37:44.879 --> 02:37:49.680
<v Speaker 2>They are lil uzi Vert the rap enigma. First of all, No,

2917
02:37:49.799 --> 02:37:52.520
<v Speaker 2>he's not. No, he is not a rap enigma. He

2918
02:37:52.680 --> 02:37:54.120
<v Speaker 2>is a trash rapper.

2919
02:37:54.200 --> 02:37:57.319
<v Speaker 1>But you know what, who the hell are you talking about?

2920
02:37:57.479 --> 02:37:58.520
<v Speaker 1>Lil uzi Vert.

2921
02:37:58.680 --> 02:38:02.879
<v Speaker 2>People think that he is a artists. He is trash

2922
02:38:02.920 --> 02:38:05.239
<v Speaker 2>and I'm being very generous with that for the record

2923
02:38:05.319 --> 02:38:06.879
<v Speaker 2>to anybody who listens to rap.

2924
02:38:07.520 --> 02:38:10.040
<v Speaker 1>Any artists associated.

2925
02:38:09.319 --> 02:38:14.319
<v Speaker 2>With the fucking Freshman Cipher of twenty sixteen are all shit.

2926
02:38:15.239 --> 02:38:16.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm just throwing that out.

2927
02:38:16.680 --> 02:38:19.440
<v Speaker 1>I literally don't even know what you're I know you.

2928
02:38:19.399 --> 02:38:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Don't lil Yachty, litl Uzi Vert twenty one, Savage, No,

2929
02:38:23.840 --> 02:38:28.120
<v Speaker 2>none of them. Uh uh, Kodak Black, They're all just trash. Okay,

2930
02:38:28.159 --> 02:38:31.719
<v Speaker 2>they're not artists, they're not lyricists. Hell, they ain't even hood.

2931
02:38:32.079 --> 02:38:36.000
<v Speaker 1>But moving on, this is why rock will always be superior.

2932
02:38:36.200 --> 02:38:36.840
<v Speaker 1>I agree.

2933
02:38:37.079 --> 02:38:43.159
<v Speaker 2>I agree apparently with his distinctive style and enigmatic persona.

2934
02:38:43.239 --> 02:38:45.280
<v Speaker 2>By that, they mean he carries a purse and wears

2935
02:38:45.280 --> 02:38:48.159
<v Speaker 2>a pearl necklace and calls himself manly. It's ridiculous.

2936
02:38:48.159 --> 02:38:51.639
<v Speaker 1>Oh these are all the yeah, oh now I get it.

2937
02:38:51.680 --> 02:38:54.680
<v Speaker 1>These are the memes that that I watch from the other.

2938
02:38:54.760 --> 02:38:58.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm It's no wonder people are fascinated by him. Born

2939
02:39:00.000 --> 02:39:05.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Samir Woods, Yes, lil uzi Vert aka

2940
02:39:06.120 --> 02:39:09.719
<v Speaker 2>his given name, Samir Woods, the artist game fame with

2941
02:39:09.760 --> 02:39:13.799
<v Speaker 2>his debut album Love Is Rage two, featuring a mega

2942
02:39:13.879 --> 02:39:17.799
<v Speaker 2>hit XO tour life. However, little Uzivert statement about making

2943
02:39:17.799 --> 02:39:18.959
<v Speaker 2>a pack with the Devil.

2944
02:39:19.000 --> 02:39:22.840
<v Speaker 1>Have raised eyebrows. Oh very interesting.

2945
02:39:22.840 --> 02:39:25.959
<v Speaker 2>Actually, it says up here Little Uzivert, a rapper who's

2946
02:39:26.000 --> 02:39:28.399
<v Speaker 2>taken the music world by storm. No he hasn't. Has

2947
02:39:28.440 --> 02:39:30.879
<v Speaker 2>made headlines not just for his chart topping hits, but

2948
02:39:30.920 --> 02:39:34.799
<v Speaker 2>also for his intriguing claims. In the ever bizarre celebrity world.

2949
02:39:34.799 --> 02:39:37.959
<v Speaker 2>Little Uzivert has been at the forefront of the quote

2950
02:39:38.000 --> 02:39:41.319
<v Speaker 2>sold their soul to the devil rumors. The rapper has

2951
02:39:41.399 --> 02:39:45.200
<v Speaker 2>openly mentioned his affiliation with Marilyn Manson and even hinted

2952
02:39:45.239 --> 02:39:48.600
<v Speaker 2>at having sold his soul for success. While these claims

2953
02:39:48.760 --> 02:39:51.040
<v Speaker 2>may be a part of the mystique he's cultivated, they

2954
02:39:51.120 --> 02:39:54.440
<v Speaker 2>certainly add an element of intrigued who has already captivated

2955
02:39:55.440 --> 02:39:58.360
<v Speaker 2>to some people, captivating persona there it is.

2956
02:39:58.639 --> 02:40:01.399
<v Speaker 1>I have had my own experience with Marilyn Manson.

2957
02:40:01.200 --> 02:40:03.559
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, no, he's also a trash human being.

2958
02:40:04.360 --> 02:40:08.760
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I mean he's just it was. It was

2959
02:40:08.799 --> 02:40:12.559
<v Speaker 1>the weirdest concert I've ever been, and he was like

2960
02:40:12.840 --> 02:40:16.479
<v Speaker 1>he like took a personal offense that I was not

2961
02:40:16.639 --> 02:40:22.760
<v Speaker 1>participating in the clearly yeah, clear ritual that was happening.

2962
02:40:23.520 --> 02:40:25.920
<v Speaker 1>I was there for the music, obviously, I was in

2963
02:40:25.959 --> 02:40:29.600
<v Speaker 1>the front row. He was like eating a Bible at

2964
02:40:29.600 --> 02:40:34.600
<v Speaker 1>one point, and I mean it was very like all

2965
02:40:34.639 --> 02:40:38.040
<v Speaker 1>the symbols, all the stuff, okay, cool whatever. It was

2966
02:40:38.159 --> 02:40:43.719
<v Speaker 1>him himself that was really disturbing. I've met tons of

2967
02:40:43.799 --> 02:40:46.479
<v Speaker 1>rock artists and like they are nowhere near like that.

2968
02:40:46.600 --> 02:40:49.600
<v Speaker 1>But him though, Like he at one point came down

2969
02:40:49.639 --> 02:40:51.840
<v Speaker 1>off the stage and I have videos of it. He

2970
02:40:51.959 --> 02:40:54.799
<v Speaker 1>is like this close you and I this close to

2971
02:40:54.840 --> 02:40:58.639
<v Speaker 1>me and like steering into my soul and I was like, wow,

2972
02:40:58.719 --> 02:41:01.040
<v Speaker 1>there's like nothing staring back at me but like the

2973
02:41:01.079 --> 02:41:04.719
<v Speaker 1>abyss of just pure darkness, and like I was like,

2974
02:41:04.760 --> 02:41:07.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm not budgeting, bro, Like we can have this fight,

2975
02:41:07.799 --> 02:41:10.879
<v Speaker 1>because whatever's going on with you, I ain't fucking with

2976
02:41:11.079 --> 02:41:14.760
<v Speaker 1>like at all. And I actually really like Marilyn Manson's music.

2977
02:41:14.920 --> 02:41:16.719
<v Speaker 1>I like grew up on it and I vibe with

2978
02:41:16.760 --> 02:41:18.559
<v Speaker 1>it a lot. And I was like, man, I love

2979
02:41:18.600 --> 02:41:21.399
<v Speaker 1>Marilyn Manson. And then I met him, yeah, and then

2980
02:41:21.440 --> 02:41:24.879
<v Speaker 1>I was like, who you are? Whatever is wrong with

2981
02:41:24.959 --> 02:41:28.959
<v Speaker 1>you or whatever is going on is like truly evil.

2982
02:41:29.319 --> 02:41:31.879
<v Speaker 2>I used to like his music, but I gotta say

2983
02:41:31.959 --> 02:41:37.280
<v Speaker 2>after so many, not like one or five, tons of

2984
02:41:37.440 --> 02:41:40.159
<v Speaker 2>allegations have been brought up against him.

2985
02:41:41.239 --> 02:41:46.319
<v Speaker 1>And him and Johnny Depp having the child pornography situation

2986
02:41:46.479 --> 02:41:48.360
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that, And I actually did look at

2987
02:41:48.360 --> 02:41:51.440
<v Speaker 1>his tattoos on his arms, in his hands.

2988
02:41:51.399 --> 02:41:55.360
<v Speaker 2>The symbols of that world, and it's, yeah, I can't

2989
02:41:55.360 --> 02:41:57.559
<v Speaker 2>separate art from artists when it comes to that.

2990
02:41:57.840 --> 02:42:00.840
<v Speaker 1>I haven't listened to Marilyn Manson's since that day. It's

2991
02:42:00.879 --> 02:42:04.280
<v Speaker 1>been like five years. And I'll tell you, like I've

2992
02:42:04.399 --> 02:42:06.520
<v Speaker 1>I've met a lot of people, and because I'm a

2993
02:42:06.639 --> 02:42:09.000
<v Speaker 1>huge concert goer for those of you that don't know,

2994
02:42:09.040 --> 02:42:12.239
<v Speaker 1>I love concerts. It's my jam. It always has been.

2995
02:42:13.280 --> 02:42:16.559
<v Speaker 1>So I've met a ton of people. But he there's

2996
02:42:16.600 --> 02:42:19.200
<v Speaker 1>something about him and the way that he looked at me.

2997
02:42:19.719 --> 02:42:22.760
<v Speaker 1>It was like he was pissed that I wouldn't participate

2998
02:42:23.159 --> 02:42:26.000
<v Speaker 1>in this ritual that was happening around me, and like

2999
02:42:26.680 --> 02:42:29.399
<v Speaker 1>it just was like there was no soul, I believe

3000
02:42:29.440 --> 02:42:32.959
<v Speaker 1>his body, Like there was no nothing. It was just

3001
02:42:33.040 --> 02:42:36.280
<v Speaker 1>really strange, and I was like, oh, man, I am

3002
02:42:36.280 --> 02:42:37.200
<v Speaker 1>not fucking with this.

3003
02:42:37.639 --> 02:42:40.120
<v Speaker 2>He's on also that if he makes the list on

3004
02:42:40.120 --> 02:42:43.639
<v Speaker 2>one of these, I wouldn't be surprised. Hint hint, wink wink.

3005
02:42:44.520 --> 02:42:47.719
<v Speaker 2>Let's keep going here, Lady Gaga, the go Goa, the

3006
02:42:47.799 --> 02:42:49.120
<v Speaker 2>eccentric pop.

3007
02:42:48.879 --> 02:42:53.239
<v Speaker 1>Star Mariam Bramovich's like shining people.

3008
02:42:53.760 --> 02:42:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Yep, Lady Gaga, the flamboyant pop sensation, is no stranger

3009
02:42:57.680 --> 02:43:01.959
<v Speaker 2>to controversy. Her eccentric style, provoca performances, and outlandish fashion

3010
02:43:02.040 --> 02:43:05.040
<v Speaker 2>choices that's an understatement of the century have left people

3011
02:43:05.079 --> 02:43:08.239
<v Speaker 2>speculating about the origins of her creative genius. Some have

3012
02:43:08.280 --> 02:43:10.399
<v Speaker 2>gone as far as to suggest that she made a

3013
02:43:10.440 --> 02:43:13.360
<v Speaker 2>deal with the devil for her unparalleled success. But let's

3014
02:43:13.360 --> 02:43:20.280
<v Speaker 2>separate fact from fiction. Born Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanada.

3015
02:43:19.639 --> 02:43:23.559
<v Speaker 1>Germanyst Stephanie. Her name is Stephanie. What I said, Stefani,

3016
02:43:23.799 --> 02:43:24.639
<v Speaker 1>It's Stephanie.

3017
02:43:25.200 --> 02:43:26.239
<v Speaker 2>That's one way to spell it.

3018
02:43:27.040 --> 02:43:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Sure.

3019
02:43:28.000 --> 02:43:31.200
<v Speaker 2>Lady Galgat is renowned for her chart topping hits, including

3020
02:43:31.239 --> 02:43:34.360
<v Speaker 2>poker Face and Bad Romance. She has won numerous Grammy

3021
02:43:34.399 --> 02:43:38.760
<v Speaker 2>Awards and has celebrated for her vocal prowess. Moving on here, however,

3022
02:43:38.799 --> 02:43:41.360
<v Speaker 2>attributing her success to a pact with Satan might be

3023
02:43:41.399 --> 02:43:45.319
<v Speaker 2>a stretch. In reality, Lady Goga's devilish image is a

3024
02:43:45.399 --> 02:43:49.159
<v Speaker 2>part of her artistic expression. She's known for her provocative costumes,

3025
02:43:49.200 --> 02:43:52.719
<v Speaker 2>catchy tunes, and boundary pushing videos that challenge social norms.

3026
02:43:52.959 --> 02:43:55.879
<v Speaker 2>God has always been about, has always been open about

3027
02:43:56.000 --> 02:43:58.440
<v Speaker 2>using her art to address issues like identity, fame, and

3028
02:43:58.479 --> 02:44:01.680
<v Speaker 2>self empowerment. I'm sorry, though, when you get in tight

3029
02:44:01.799 --> 02:44:06.200
<v Speaker 2>with Marina Abramovich, I'm just gonna assume that you're like

3030
02:44:06.440 --> 02:44:11.079
<v Speaker 2>catching some some strays on the demoutonic realm, just because.

3031
02:44:11.319 --> 02:44:13.920
<v Speaker 1>I actually really love Lady Gaga. But I could think

3032
02:44:14.000 --> 02:44:17.040
<v Speaker 1>of like multiple videos just off the top of my

3033
02:44:17.079 --> 02:44:23.239
<v Speaker 1>head that have heavy symbolism into satanic stuff, and they

3034
02:44:23.319 --> 02:44:26.639
<v Speaker 1>definitely is a lot that she talks about. I mean,

3035
02:44:26.680 --> 02:44:31.159
<v Speaker 1>her song Judah, for example, is pretty clear in and

3036
02:44:31.200 --> 02:44:33.559
<v Speaker 1>of itself of where she kind of stands with stuff.

3037
02:44:34.040 --> 02:44:38.959
<v Speaker 1>I enjoy her music, I enjoy having like visually, she

3038
02:44:39.040 --> 02:44:42.040
<v Speaker 1>has a lot of artistic stuff, but there is a

3039
02:44:42.079 --> 02:44:45.520
<v Speaker 1>lot of heavy symbolism, and there's a lot of conversation

3040
02:44:45.639 --> 02:44:49.719
<v Speaker 1>about her stuff being on a frequency that is attracting,

3041
02:44:50.399 --> 02:44:54.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, paranormal stuff to people or at least giving

3042
02:44:54.319 --> 02:44:57.440
<v Speaker 1>more energy, kind of like K pop Demon Hunter situation

3043
02:44:58.000 --> 02:45:01.399
<v Speaker 1>where they give energy when they're like, you know, seeing

3044
02:45:01.879 --> 02:45:05.440
<v Speaker 1>along with the Demon band and stuff. For those of

3045
02:45:05.479 --> 02:45:07.719
<v Speaker 1>you that don't have kids and haven't seen the movie,

3046
02:45:08.120 --> 02:45:10.280
<v Speaker 1>I still suggest it it's too a great movie.

3047
02:45:10.520 --> 02:45:12.120
<v Speaker 2>I think it is, but.

3048
02:45:12.159 --> 02:45:15.360
<v Speaker 1>There is a lot that it's actually based in Christianity

3049
02:45:15.959 --> 02:45:17.920
<v Speaker 1>and like fighting against the devil and stuff. But you

3050
02:45:17.920 --> 02:45:21.360
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't really know it because they actually hold true to

3051
02:45:21.680 --> 02:45:24.319
<v Speaker 1>their Korean correct Yeah, their Korean Korean, so they have

3052
02:45:24.360 --> 02:45:27.120
<v Speaker 1>a lot of Korean folklore in it and it's actually fantastic.

3053
02:45:27.280 --> 02:45:28.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they did their homework on that one too. We

3054
02:45:29.239 --> 02:45:31.200
<v Speaker 2>talked about that the Saja Boys, which is the boy

3055
02:45:31.280 --> 02:45:34.840
<v Speaker 2>band of demons that are going against the hunters. Saja

3056
02:45:35.120 --> 02:45:37.360
<v Speaker 2>in the Korean culture is more like what we would

3057
02:45:37.360 --> 02:45:39.799
<v Speaker 2>call the Grim Reaper in our culture. They're not a

3058
02:45:40.040 --> 02:45:43.840
<v Speaker 2>inherently evil thing. They're more or less kind of just

3059
02:45:43.959 --> 02:45:48.000
<v Speaker 2>they're doing their job for the underworld and in this realm,

3060
02:45:48.040 --> 02:45:50.680
<v Speaker 2>for the demonic side of things. These guys are seen

3061
02:45:50.680 --> 02:45:52.639
<v Speaker 2>as like bringing the souls to the underworld and stuff.

3062
02:45:53.159 --> 02:45:55.920
<v Speaker 2>I think they did a pretty good job of respecting

3063
02:45:55.959 --> 02:45:59.559
<v Speaker 2>the Korean culture while giving a good movie to show

3064
02:45:59.559 --> 02:46:02.639
<v Speaker 2>that demons are bad and how love and friendship will

3065
02:46:02.680 --> 02:46:03.680
<v Speaker 2>like get you through.

3066
02:46:03.520 --> 02:46:05.719
<v Speaker 1>The hard times. The Cat's even a part of their

3067
02:46:05.760 --> 02:46:08.520
<v Speaker 1>folklore too. Yeah, and the Bird and the Bird too.

3068
02:46:08.719 --> 02:46:12.079
<v Speaker 1>The Bird's great. The bird has like side eye glarious people,

3069
02:46:12.079 --> 02:46:14.120
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, yeah, oh my god, I like the

3070
02:46:14.159 --> 02:46:15.959
<v Speaker 1>bird man and the bird in the category.

3071
02:46:16.520 --> 02:46:20.040
<v Speaker 2>All right, oh, good old Oprah, Oprah winfree.

3072
02:46:20.280 --> 02:46:22.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't even they need to read that, because we

3073
02:46:22.559 --> 02:46:25.280
<v Speaker 1>all know about Oprah and how she is attached.

3074
02:46:25.799 --> 02:46:29.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, if you don't know, it's it's literally a

3075
02:46:29.399 --> 02:46:33.799
<v Speaker 2>quick Google search away Oprah. Some some speculate that she

3076
02:46:33.879 --> 02:46:36.520
<v Speaker 2>has sold her soul to the devil for her success.

3077
02:46:37.200 --> 02:46:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Moving on, Nicki Minaj, the rap Queen, I could see it.

3078
02:46:41.600 --> 02:46:46.479
<v Speaker 2>I could absolutely see it. Continuing. Snoop Dog, the hip

3079
02:46:46.479 --> 02:46:49.719
<v Speaker 2>hop icon uh, the legendary rapper and culture icon, is

3080
02:46:49.719 --> 02:46:52.559
<v Speaker 2>no stranger to the spotlight. Known for a smooth flow

3081
02:46:52.600 --> 02:46:54.959
<v Speaker 2>and laid back style, he's also been at the center

3082
02:46:55.000 --> 02:46:57.840
<v Speaker 2>of intriguing rumors about his pact with the Devil. While

3083
02:46:57.920 --> 02:47:01.360
<v Speaker 2>it's easy to dismiss such claims as pure sensationalism, some

3084
02:47:01.440 --> 02:47:05.360
<v Speaker 2>curious aspects of Snoop's career have fueled this speculation. One

3085
02:47:05.399 --> 02:47:09.079
<v Speaker 2>of the most famous instances of his is his name

3086
02:47:09.159 --> 02:47:12.559
<v Speaker 2>changed from Snoop Doggie Dog to Snoop Leon in twenty

3087
02:47:12.600 --> 02:47:17.239
<v Speaker 2>twelve after his spiritual awakening in Jamaica. Yeah, it's spelled

3088
02:47:17.280 --> 02:47:20.680
<v Speaker 2>Snoop Lion, but it's Snoop Leon because he went on

3089
02:47:20.760 --> 02:47:23.360
<v Speaker 2>records saying that he believes that he is the reincarnation

3090
02:47:23.399 --> 02:47:28.120
<v Speaker 2>of Bob Marley, even though Bob Marley was alive when

3091
02:47:28.159 --> 02:47:31.280
<v Speaker 2>Snoop was a child. So like, that's cool, that's the thing.

3092
02:47:31.440 --> 02:47:34.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay. Well, him and Martha Stewart, which Martha Stewart has

3093
02:47:34.399 --> 02:47:37.639
<v Speaker 1>a lot of symbolism into the occult as well. They

3094
02:47:37.639 --> 02:47:40.479
<v Speaker 1>are like buddies. Yeah, I mean he's buddies though with

3095
02:47:40.600 --> 02:47:44.280
<v Speaker 1>so many people that you've seen attached to the occult

3096
02:47:44.319 --> 02:47:47.559
<v Speaker 1>and that have their hands in Satanism, Like, yeah, all

3097
02:47:47.600 --> 02:47:50.120
<v Speaker 1>of them are in on this. It's not just one person.

3098
02:47:50.639 --> 02:47:54.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So now let's let's see even further here. Some

3099
02:47:54.600 --> 02:47:57.159
<v Speaker 2>conspiracy theorists argue that the transformation was a sign of

3100
02:47:57.200 --> 02:47:59.399
<v Speaker 2>his deal with the devil and a nod to the

3101
02:47:59.600 --> 02:48:06.239
<v Speaker 2>infirm feline figure. Moreover, Snoop's lyrics, content, lyrical content, and

3102
02:48:06.280 --> 02:48:08.479
<v Speaker 2>explicit themes in his music have raised eyebrows. He's a

3103
02:48:08.559 --> 02:48:11.520
<v Speaker 2>rap artist, no shit. Some argue that his lyrical references

3104
02:48:11.600 --> 02:48:14.680
<v Speaker 2>to the dark side in his unapologetic embrace of a

3105
02:48:14.719 --> 02:48:19.319
<v Speaker 2>hedonistic lifestyle are all a part of a sinister bargain Again,

3106
02:48:20.000 --> 02:48:22.399
<v Speaker 2>most rap artists are on that same vibe, all right,

3107
02:48:23.079 --> 02:48:25.639
<v Speaker 2>but let's not forget Snoop has dismissed these claims as

3108
02:48:25.680 --> 02:48:28.200
<v Speaker 2>mere speculation. He's been vocal about his belief in a

3109
02:48:28.280 --> 02:48:31.079
<v Speaker 2>higher power and spirituality, which makes it hard to buy

3110
02:48:31.079 --> 02:48:33.840
<v Speaker 2>into the sinister conspiracy theory, or does it.

3111
02:48:34.760 --> 02:48:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Next up is.

3112
02:48:35.440 --> 02:48:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Kim kay, Oh god, I you know what I hate.

3113
02:48:40.159 --> 02:48:42.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm not even gonna read it because there's no point.

3114
02:48:42.479 --> 02:48:43.319
<v Speaker 1>What was the point of it?

3115
02:48:43.479 --> 02:48:46.040
<v Speaker 2>I believe Kim Kardashian has absolutely sold her sold of the.

3116
02:48:46.040 --> 02:48:50.479
<v Speaker 1>Devil, the entire Kardashian family, but all of them, they

3117
02:48:50.520 --> 02:48:51.079
<v Speaker 1>were put.

3118
02:48:50.920 --> 02:48:53.879
<v Speaker 2>On the map because of her daddy being Ojy's lawyer.

3119
02:48:54.639 --> 02:48:59.079
<v Speaker 2>That being said, she got put on the map with

3120
02:48:59.159 --> 02:49:02.239
<v Speaker 2>her sex tape, right, yes, I remember, And from that

3121
02:49:02.399 --> 02:49:06.399
<v Speaker 2>sex tape, the entire family got their come up.

3122
02:49:07.840 --> 02:49:09.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, they probably sold her into it.

3123
02:49:11.799 --> 02:49:15.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And if you look at the marrying track record

3124
02:49:15.799 --> 02:49:19.040
<v Speaker 2>of the family as well, they Yep.

3125
02:49:19.680 --> 02:49:22.040
<v Speaker 1>There's actually a video when I was doing my research,

3126
02:49:22.120 --> 02:49:24.559
<v Speaker 1>it was talking about the Kardashians and it was talking

3127
02:49:24.559 --> 02:49:29.680
<v Speaker 1>about their heavy Satanic presence and that if you're married

3128
02:49:29.719 --> 02:49:32.440
<v Speaker 1>to one of them, they pretty much like it's a

3129
02:49:32.639 --> 02:49:34.879
<v Speaker 1>ritual in and of itself, and they pretty much destroy

3130
02:49:34.959 --> 02:49:37.760
<v Speaker 1>the men that they're with for like reasons and stuff.

3131
02:49:37.799 --> 02:49:40.520
<v Speaker 1>I forget it said a whole bunch of stuff, but yeah,

3132
02:49:40.559 --> 02:49:41.200
<v Speaker 1>they really do.

3133
02:49:41.440 --> 02:49:46.840
<v Speaker 2>It's crazy. Next up is Damson Idris h. When it

3134
02:49:46.879 --> 02:49:50.239
<v Speaker 2>comes to Hollywood, there is always whispers of fauscian bargains

3135
02:49:50.239 --> 02:49:53.200
<v Speaker 2>and sinister packs. One name that has been floating around

3136
02:49:53.360 --> 02:49:57.079
<v Speaker 2>in this intriguing conversation is none other than Damson Induriss.

3137
02:49:57.719 --> 02:49:59.920
<v Speaker 2>The rising star has been setting the screen on fire

3138
02:50:00.079 --> 02:50:02.399
<v Speaker 2>with his talent and devilish good looks, leaving us wondering

3139
02:50:02.479 --> 02:50:05.159
<v Speaker 2>if there's more to his success than meets the eye.

3140
02:50:05.600 --> 02:50:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Born in London, damn some Indrist burst onto the scene

3141
02:50:09.000 --> 02:50:12.000
<v Speaker 2>with his breakout role in the critically acclaimed series Snowfall.

3142
02:50:12.399 --> 02:50:15.559
<v Speaker 2>His portrayal of Franklin Saint, a young drug dealer navigating

3143
02:50:15.559 --> 02:50:18.920
<v Speaker 2>the treacherous world of the nineteen eighties crack Epidemic, earned

3144
02:50:18.959 --> 02:50:21.959
<v Speaker 2>him accolades and legions of fans. But could there be

3145
02:50:22.000 --> 02:50:25.280
<v Speaker 2>something more sinister at play behind this meteoric rise to fame.

3146
02:50:25.799 --> 02:50:29.520
<v Speaker 2>Rumors about Damson might have made a deal with the

3147
02:50:29.559 --> 02:50:34.000
<v Speaker 2>devil to achieve his current level of success. Some claim

3148
02:50:34.079 --> 02:50:38.120
<v Speaker 2>that his efforts, his effortless charm and mesmerizing performances are

3149
02:50:38.200 --> 02:50:42.440
<v Speaker 2>too good to be true, suggesting a supernatural influence. Okay,

3150
02:50:42.959 --> 02:50:48.239
<v Speaker 2>fair enough, fair enough. Next up is Santana, Carlos Santana,

3151
02:50:48.639 --> 02:50:53.680
<v Speaker 2>the supernatural guitar. Wow, I haven't heard anything about him

3152
02:50:53.680 --> 02:50:55.559
<v Speaker 2>selling a soul to the devil, But like.

3153
02:50:55.959 --> 02:50:58.959
<v Speaker 1>All right, I'm just gonna assume that anybody that makes

3154
02:50:58.959 --> 02:51:03.280
<v Speaker 1>it big period is a part of this at this point,

3155
02:51:03.600 --> 02:51:08.120
<v Speaker 1>Like I wouldn't even see why not, Like it's been

3156
02:51:08.159 --> 02:51:12.680
<v Speaker 1>so heavily talked about for decades like that at this point,

3157
02:51:12.719 --> 02:51:15.120
<v Speaker 1>there's no denying it.

3158
02:51:15.280 --> 02:51:19.319
<v Speaker 2>But are we also having a Paganini conversation that the

3159
02:51:19.360 --> 02:51:22.879
<v Speaker 2>guy was so naturally talented and gifted that everybody's like, oh,

3160
02:51:23.000 --> 02:51:26.040
<v Speaker 2>clearly it's Faustian and it's like or he's.

3161
02:51:25.879 --> 02:51:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Just a gangster. M I don't know. I don't know.

3162
02:51:29.799 --> 02:51:30.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

3163
02:51:30.200 --> 02:51:32.120
<v Speaker 2>I know that like Santana, for instance, has saw in

3164
02:51:32.200 --> 02:51:36.840
<v Speaker 2>Black Magic Woman. Okay, I get it, But even still,

3165
02:51:37.559 --> 02:51:40.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I've seen any of his imagery

3166
02:51:41.360 --> 02:51:41.959
<v Speaker 2>or her.

3167
02:51:41.879 --> 02:51:43.799
<v Speaker 1>I've only seen a couple of his videos. To be

3168
02:51:43.840 --> 02:51:46.079
<v Speaker 1>honest with you, I haven't heard him in a long time?

3169
02:51:46.920 --> 02:51:49.280
<v Speaker 1>Who's the number one? Number one?

3170
02:51:49.559 --> 02:51:52.200
<v Speaker 2>Ozzy Osbourne, Prince of Darkness?

3171
02:51:52.399 --> 02:51:52.719
<v Speaker 1>Ri ip.

3172
02:51:54.040 --> 02:51:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Ozzy Osbourne, the Prince of Darkness himself, has long been

3173
02:51:57.000 --> 02:51:59.600
<v Speaker 2>associated with the darker side of fame. His decades in

3174
02:51:59.639 --> 02:52:01.879
<v Speaker 2>the music industry have fulfilled or have been filled with

3175
02:52:01.959 --> 02:52:05.680
<v Speaker 2>tails and wild antique drug field adventures, and a penchant

3176
02:52:05.719 --> 02:52:08.159
<v Speaker 2>for biting the heads off of bats, among other things.

3177
02:52:08.159 --> 02:52:10.159
<v Speaker 1>I might add, not just bats, but.

3178
02:52:10.120 --> 02:52:12.920
<v Speaker 2>What's that's Ozzie apart on this list of his willingness

3179
02:52:13.000 --> 02:52:15.440
<v Speaker 2>to embrace the myth of selling his soul to the devil. Yeah,

3180
02:52:15.440 --> 02:52:18.280
<v Speaker 2>because it adds to his metal mystique. And I know

3181
02:52:18.319 --> 02:52:21.520
<v Speaker 2>people that saw the concerts in the eighties and early

3182
02:52:21.559 --> 02:52:23.840
<v Speaker 2>nineties when he was biting heads off a bat. It

3183
02:52:23.879 --> 02:52:26.520
<v Speaker 2>was fake, It's not It wasn't a real bat. That

3184
02:52:26.879 --> 02:52:29.680
<v Speaker 2>How could he train a bat to fly around the

3185
02:52:29.719 --> 02:52:33.879
<v Speaker 2>stadium onto his hand on stage and then bite the

3186
02:52:33.879 --> 02:52:34.360
<v Speaker 2>head off?

3187
02:52:34.760 --> 02:52:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was.

3188
02:52:35.639 --> 02:52:37.440
<v Speaker 2>It was basically a glorified gummy bear.

3189
02:52:38.920 --> 02:52:40.600
<v Speaker 1>I saw him in concert before.

3190
02:52:41.079 --> 02:52:41.319
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

3191
02:52:42.000 --> 02:52:43.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was a hot wreck.

3192
02:52:44.200 --> 02:52:45.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean that's how he lived.

3193
02:52:45.559 --> 02:52:47.520
<v Speaker 1>He was pretty terrible, to be honest with you, as

3194
02:52:47.760 --> 02:52:51.079
<v Speaker 1>it was not very good performance, but I still would have.

3195
02:52:51.040 --> 02:52:55.479
<v Speaker 2>Loved to have seen him. Anyway, let's move on to

3196
02:52:55.559 --> 02:52:57.840
<v Speaker 2>this next list, and we're not going to read all

3197
02:52:57.879 --> 02:53:00.639
<v Speaker 2>the stories on these just twenty famous people who definitely

3198
02:53:00.680 --> 02:53:03.600
<v Speaker 2>sold their souls. This is from crack dot com.

3199
02:53:03.639 --> 02:53:07.920
<v Speaker 1>So is that old boy from Bigfoot from Littlefoot James Corden?

3200
02:53:08.159 --> 02:53:11.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, nobody in history has done so much with

3201
02:53:11.840 --> 02:53:15.040
<v Speaker 2>so little, which is very true. He's what is his

3202
02:53:15.159 --> 02:53:19.120
<v Speaker 2>thing being British?

3203
02:53:19.159 --> 02:53:22.959
<v Speaker 1>His laugh, he can actually sing, not bad. Small Foot

3204
02:53:23.040 --> 02:53:25.440
<v Speaker 1>was great. I did like small mother foots great.

3205
02:53:25.600 --> 02:53:28.280
<v Speaker 2>Hear me out. Before he quote unquote made it big,

3206
02:53:28.559 --> 02:53:32.120
<v Speaker 2>there was a British guy in the comedic space that

3207
02:53:32.360 --> 02:53:35.719
<v Speaker 2>was the voiceover for every role that required a British voice.

3208
02:53:36.319 --> 02:53:38.600
<v Speaker 2>That was Russell brand Well.

3209
02:53:38.680 --> 02:53:42.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but he also turned like crazy Christian and crazy

3210
02:53:43.280 --> 02:53:47.559
<v Speaker 1>Republican and like kind of like lost his shit so exactly,

3211
02:53:48.200 --> 02:53:50.319
<v Speaker 1>so he lost in their sense.

3212
02:53:50.399 --> 02:53:54.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they needed some sort of like comically British

3213
02:53:54.280 --> 02:53:58.079
<v Speaker 2>guy to take that role, and James Corden again with

3214
02:53:58.680 --> 02:54:02.319
<v Speaker 2>practically no talent. I don't know about his singing capabilities,

3215
02:54:02.319 --> 02:54:06.399
<v Speaker 2>but like he's not a very good actor metrosexual British

3216
02:54:06.479 --> 02:54:08.799
<v Speaker 2>dude or is he gay? Mmm?

3217
02:54:09.120 --> 02:54:12.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't actually know, but but yeah, anyway, so I

3218
02:54:12.040 --> 02:54:13.000
<v Speaker 1>don't mind him that much.

3219
02:54:13.479 --> 02:54:17.879
<v Speaker 2>According to Cracked dot Com, James Cordon absolutely sold his

3220
02:54:17.959 --> 02:54:20.920
<v Speaker 2>soul to the devil. Uh. Moving on, Let's see run

3221
02:54:21.000 --> 02:54:25.479
<v Speaker 2>dmc mm, which is crazy because isn't he a pastor?

3222
02:54:25.559 --> 02:54:28.760
<v Speaker 1>Now wasn't he always a pastor?

3223
02:54:29.280 --> 02:54:33.680
<v Speaker 2>Right? So yeah, okay, James Cordon, ariana Grande.

3224
02:54:34.040 --> 02:54:35.159
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, we all all know that.

3225
02:54:35.479 --> 02:54:44.000
<v Speaker 2>I believe that. Chris Brown yep, yep, Madonna, Oh my god, shocker. Uh,

3226
02:54:44.239 --> 02:54:47.479
<v Speaker 2>Travis Scott, Yes, we talked about the Astra World episode

3227
02:54:47.479 --> 02:54:52.559
<v Speaker 2>when that played out. Ryan Seacrest, Yeah, I can see it.

3228
02:54:53.040 --> 02:54:55.559
<v Speaker 2>How the f can that man work like four jobs?

3229
02:54:55.600 --> 02:54:57.680
<v Speaker 2>He's definitely visiting the Secret Island.

3230
02:54:58.159 --> 02:55:00.840
<v Speaker 1>Dude, there's like four of them, four of him because

3231
02:55:00.879 --> 02:55:03.000
<v Speaker 1>he's on everything out at the same time.

3232
02:55:03.399 --> 02:55:06.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. He just has really good I'm not even gonna

3233
02:55:06.239 --> 02:55:08.760
<v Speaker 2>say time management. He has good handlers and make sure

3234
02:55:08.760 --> 02:55:10.159
<v Speaker 2>he gets from point A to point B and has

3235
02:55:10.239 --> 02:55:11.360
<v Speaker 2>enough drugs to make it through.

3236
02:55:11.479 --> 02:55:14.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Meryl Streep, Yeah, I could see it.

3237
02:55:16.840 --> 02:55:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Armie Hammer. He eats children to quell the demon's desire.

3238
02:55:21.719 --> 02:55:22.920
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea who that is.

3239
02:55:23.200 --> 02:55:25.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm curious. I feel like we're gonna know once we

3240
02:55:25.120 --> 02:55:25.559
<v Speaker 2>see him.

3241
02:55:26.040 --> 02:55:28.159
<v Speaker 1>M hm Armie Hammer.

3242
02:55:30.719 --> 02:55:35.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh, okay, I recognize his face.

3243
02:55:35.399 --> 02:55:38.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah I don't. I don't know. I actually don't know

3244
02:55:38.399 --> 02:55:43.040
<v Speaker 1>who that is. Huh Nope, okay, cool, just a ran

3245
02:55:43.159 --> 02:55:43.879
<v Speaker 1>mass celebrity.

3246
02:55:44.040 --> 02:55:47.520
<v Speaker 2>Okay, he's an actor, Mark Wahlberg, because he's only the

3247
02:55:47.680 --> 02:55:48.639
<v Speaker 2>dupious celebrity men.

3248
02:55:48.760 --> 02:55:53.000
<v Speaker 1>No, he's like devoutly catholic. No, not not Markie Mark.

3249
02:55:53.360 --> 02:55:55.879
<v Speaker 2>I okay, this list is already starting to poke holes.

3250
02:55:55.959 --> 02:55:57.399
<v Speaker 1>This is Joe Rogan.

3251
02:55:57.719 --> 02:56:00.159
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, clearly.

3252
02:55:59.840 --> 02:56:04.159
<v Speaker 1>I wrote I can see Adam Levine one percent.

3253
02:56:04.959 --> 02:56:08.799
<v Speaker 2>I can see old boy Joseph Kennedy. I think he

3254
02:56:08.879 --> 02:56:10.639
<v Speaker 2>made a deal with the devil and curse his family

3255
02:56:10.680 --> 02:56:14.719
<v Speaker 2>in the process. Talk about Daddy Kennedy. Yo, he was

3256
02:56:15.200 --> 02:56:17.000
<v Speaker 2>he didn't make a deal with the devil. He got

3257
02:56:17.040 --> 02:56:19.360
<v Speaker 2>out of the stock market before the crash happened.

3258
02:56:19.719 --> 02:56:22.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but what they did to their sister is disgusting,

3259
02:56:22.799 --> 02:56:24.760
<v Speaker 1>absolutely disgusting and ambooring.

3260
02:56:25.079 --> 02:56:28.000
<v Speaker 2>I agree. So you know, hey, you're the one with

3261
02:56:28.040 --> 02:56:29.079
<v Speaker 2>the botomy set.

3262
02:56:29.920 --> 02:56:34.159
<v Speaker 1>First off, that is a part of his story history

3263
02:56:35.799 --> 02:56:37.719
<v Speaker 1>and pretty cool.

3264
02:56:37.840 --> 02:56:41.959
<v Speaker 2>But u Kim Kardashian's mom watched her sex tape and

3265
02:56:42.000 --> 02:56:44.000
<v Speaker 2>then leaked it to the public for fame. Yeah. Even

3266
02:56:44.040 --> 02:56:46.319
<v Speaker 2>in the article we just read about Kim k leaked

3267
02:56:46.559 --> 02:56:48.360
<v Speaker 2>was quote unquote.

3268
02:56:49.360 --> 02:56:52.239
<v Speaker 1>They've never leaked anything. They've given everything to the press,

3269
02:56:52.280 --> 02:56:56.680
<v Speaker 1>and they've they've been open about that before. Yeah, Kanye, Yeah,

3270
02:56:56.840 --> 02:56:58.280
<v Speaker 1>we could see that one hundred percent.

3271
02:56:58.520 --> 02:57:01.079
<v Speaker 2>Kanye goes back and forth with his religious beliefs too.

3272
02:57:01.239 --> 02:57:04.200
<v Speaker 1>Taylor Swift is like of the devil, oh God, Tay,

3273
02:57:04.520 --> 02:57:05.120
<v Speaker 1>I hate Tay.

3274
02:57:05.799 --> 02:57:08.559
<v Speaker 2>There's never been an artist that has made enough money

3275
02:57:08.559 --> 02:57:13.719
<v Speaker 2>in one year to account for America's total GDP. Like that,

3276
02:57:13.840 --> 02:57:16.840
<v Speaker 2>that's insanity. I was having to explain this to Jacob

3277
02:57:17.120 --> 02:57:20.200
<v Speaker 2>the other day. I'm like, do you understand the amount

3278
02:57:20.239 --> 02:57:21.920
<v Speaker 2>of money that that is. He's like no, I'm like,

3279
02:57:22.840 --> 02:57:26.959
<v Speaker 2>you realize in one year she made more than any

3280
02:57:27.239 --> 02:57:31.000
<v Speaker 2>artist period in history in one year.

3281
02:57:31.399 --> 02:57:35.200
<v Speaker 1>Well, her nosebleed tickets for New Orleans were like anywhere

3282
02:57:35.239 --> 02:57:39.719
<v Speaker 1>between one thousand to like fifteen hundred for a nosebleed ticket.

3283
02:57:40.079 --> 02:57:41.840
<v Speaker 1>The floor ones were like five k.

3284
02:57:42.159 --> 02:57:45.479
<v Speaker 2>And that was after she had a movie that got released.

3285
02:57:45.680 --> 02:57:47.559
<v Speaker 2>Then she went on tour to promote the movie. So

3286
02:57:47.559 --> 02:57:50.840
<v Speaker 2>it was just money on money with money. It's insane.

3287
02:57:50.879 --> 02:57:53.000
<v Speaker 2>And now she's with Travis Kelsey. That poor boy there.

3288
02:57:53.200 --> 02:57:55.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't like any I mean, I don't

3289
02:57:55.520 --> 02:57:58.399
<v Speaker 1>mind some of her music, but like I like some.

3290
02:57:58.600 --> 02:58:01.000
<v Speaker 1>But there is no way I'm a Tale Swift fan. No,

3291
02:58:01.479 --> 02:58:05.799
<v Speaker 1>sorry to disappoint everyone, j Lo not Jenny from the block.

3292
02:58:06.000 --> 02:58:08.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, of course, of course.

3293
02:58:09.040 --> 02:58:15.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh man. Uh Steph Curry, ok okay, Steph Curry just

3294
02:58:15.639 --> 02:58:17.959
<v Speaker 2>be throwing shit up from wherever and nobody smell the

3295
02:58:18.000 --> 02:58:20.719
<v Speaker 2>solfur come off the net. That that is a claim.

3296
02:58:21.120 --> 02:58:24.639
<v Speaker 1>This is a wildless that you found. Yeah, Steve Martin,

3297
02:58:24.799 --> 02:58:34.719
<v Speaker 1>Steve Martin, Okay, Okay, who's number one? Then? Damn Steve Martin.

3298
02:58:35.079 --> 02:58:37.639
<v Speaker 2>I'll make you rich and famous beyond your imagination, but

3299
02:58:37.760 --> 02:58:40.159
<v Speaker 2>you'll have completely silver hair by the age of twenty three.

3300
02:58:40.399 --> 02:58:45.760
<v Speaker 2>That's fucking hilarious. Okay, number one, Kenneth Copeland, it's kind

3301
02:58:45.760 --> 02:58:48.879
<v Speaker 2>of obvious. Yeah, no, I I could see that one.

3302
02:58:48.920 --> 02:58:50.479
<v Speaker 2>I don't think he sold his sold to the devil.

3303
02:58:51.120 --> 02:58:52.719
<v Speaker 2>I think he sold a sold to greed. But I

3304
02:58:52.760 --> 02:58:55.399
<v Speaker 2>mean it's a free using air changeable dialogue. At that point,

3305
02:58:55.600 --> 02:58:59.280
<v Speaker 2>you know that is that's the pastor with like nine planes. Sure, yeah,

3306
02:58:59.479 --> 02:59:05.239
<v Speaker 2>Texas Megachurch pastor televangelist, scumm of the Earth type of guy.

3307
02:59:05.319 --> 02:59:08.280
<v Speaker 2>All right, So now we're gonna shift over to the

3308
02:59:08.319 --> 02:59:13.719
<v Speaker 2>satanic origins of Michael Jackson's Smooth Criminal, which is also

3309
02:59:14.319 --> 02:59:20.479
<v Speaker 2>pretty interesting. Okay, let's just dive in here. Michael Jackson's

3310
02:59:20.600 --> 02:59:24.040
<v Speaker 2>Smooth Criminal is satanic. It's not a song about Satan

3311
02:59:24.120 --> 02:59:26.680
<v Speaker 2>or the occult, but it's a song about a Satanist.

3312
02:59:27.079 --> 02:59:29.719
<v Speaker 2>The King of Pop worried this could cause controversy for

3313
02:59:29.799 --> 02:59:33.280
<v Speaker 2>multiple reasons. Smooth Criminal wasn't one of the biggest hits

3314
02:59:33.280 --> 02:59:36.879
<v Speaker 2>of that era of Jackson's career, but it pronounced a

3315
02:59:37.040 --> 02:59:39.399
<v Speaker 2>hit cover or it produced.

3316
02:59:39.000 --> 02:59:41.959
<v Speaker 1>A hit cover. I don't like any of his music.

3317
02:59:42.239 --> 02:59:46.040
<v Speaker 1>I do like the alien An Farm cover. You haven't

3318
02:59:46.079 --> 02:59:48.879
<v Speaker 1>heard any of you? Okay? From Yeah, I have. I

3319
02:59:48.959 --> 02:59:52.760
<v Speaker 1>just don't like anything. I don't like Michael Jackson in particular,

3320
02:59:52.879 --> 02:59:55.040
<v Speaker 1>like in just his music. I'm just not a fan.

3321
02:59:56.239 --> 02:59:59.319
<v Speaker 2>I get it. I get it. So let's let's dive

3322
02:59:59.319 --> 03:00:01.840
<v Speaker 2>in here, because I've heard this story before, but it's

3323
03:00:01.879 --> 03:00:06.159
<v Speaker 2>been so long, I honestly forgot. Michael Jackson's Smooth Criminal

3324
03:00:06.280 --> 03:00:10.360
<v Speaker 2>was inspired by a killer who worshiped Satan. Jermaine Jackson

3325
03:00:10.399 --> 03:00:12.760
<v Speaker 2>was a member of the Jackson five. In his twenty

3326
03:00:12.799 --> 03:00:16.120
<v Speaker 2>eleven book You Are Not Alone Michael Through a Brother's Eyes,

3327
03:00:16.440 --> 03:00:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Jermaine noted that al capone theme of Smooth Criminal video,

3328
03:00:20.799 --> 03:00:24.079
<v Speaker 2>which it's very much Michael Jackson as far as the

3329
03:00:24.159 --> 03:00:27.440
<v Speaker 2>music video is concerned, Smooth Criminal was actually inspired by

3330
03:00:27.440 --> 03:00:30.159
<v Speaker 2>a serial killer who spread fear throughout Los Angeles and

3331
03:00:30.200 --> 03:00:33.280
<v Speaker 2>San Francisco between nineteen eighty four and nineteen eighty five.

3332
03:00:33.399 --> 03:00:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Jermaine wrote, Richard Ramirez, a self confessed devil worshiper, was

3333
03:00:38.079 --> 03:00:41.639
<v Speaker 2>the night stalker who took fourteen lives. In most cases,

3334
03:00:41.639 --> 03:00:44.239
<v Speaker 2>he forced his way into people's homes before brutally murdering

3335
03:00:44.239 --> 03:00:47.040
<v Speaker 2>them with a knife, hence the appearance of a flashing

3336
03:00:47.079 --> 03:00:51.040
<v Speaker 2>blade in the video Wow. Jermain mentioned some of the

3337
03:00:51.120 --> 03:00:54.680
<v Speaker 2>lyrics in his song that were inspired by Ramirez. It

3338
03:00:54.719 --> 03:00:57.559
<v Speaker 2>was the sound of a crescendo. He came into her apartment.

3339
03:00:57.879 --> 03:01:01.000
<v Speaker 2>He left the bloodstains on the carpet underneath the table.

3340
03:01:01.360 --> 03:01:04.440
<v Speaker 2>He could see she wasn't able. She ran into the bedroom.

3341
03:01:04.520 --> 03:01:06.760
<v Speaker 2>She was struck down. It was her doom. It took

3342
03:01:06.799 --> 03:01:08.719
<v Speaker 2>a lot for me to read that. Rather than sing that,

3343
03:01:08.760 --> 03:01:09.360
<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to.

3344
03:01:09.360 --> 03:01:13.079
<v Speaker 1>Be noted I sing it in my head.

3345
03:01:13.120 --> 03:01:16.959
<v Speaker 2>I was like right, So Jermaine said Michael didn't want

3346
03:01:16.959 --> 03:01:20.200
<v Speaker 2>to talk about the song's origins, partly for religious reasons.

3347
03:01:20.239 --> 03:01:25.520
<v Speaker 2>For context, Michael was a Jehovah's Witness, which is a cult.

3348
03:01:25.719 --> 03:01:27.440
<v Speaker 1>We should mention that he was a Jojo.

3349
03:01:28.079 --> 03:01:31.760
<v Speaker 2>He was a j W, which is crazy because they

3350
03:01:31.760 --> 03:01:34.399
<v Speaker 2>didn't even accept black people for the for a good

3351
03:01:34.440 --> 03:01:35.000
<v Speaker 2>long while.

3352
03:01:35.319 --> 03:01:36.600
<v Speaker 1>What do you mean now he looks white?

3353
03:01:37.559 --> 03:01:41.239
<v Speaker 2>You know this is a Mandela effect for you. Some

3354
03:01:41.319 --> 03:01:45.280
<v Speaker 2>people claim that Michael Jackson used to be black. Gotta

3355
03:01:45.319 --> 03:01:48.760
<v Speaker 2>be honest with you, Jacob can't verify these claims. Jacob

3356
03:01:48.760 --> 03:01:51.399
<v Speaker 2>was born in ninety two. Michael Jackson was only white

3357
03:01:51.479 --> 03:01:53.959
<v Speaker 2>when Jacob was alive. I'm just going off of people

3358
03:01:54.040 --> 03:01:56.200
<v Speaker 2>in blind faith that Michael Jackson used to be black

3359
03:01:56.239 --> 03:01:57.360
<v Speaker 2>at one point.

3360
03:01:58.319 --> 03:01:58.959
<v Speaker 1>What he was?

3361
03:01:59.159 --> 03:02:04.479
<v Speaker 2>It says, who photoshop pictures? I mean the media.

3362
03:02:05.000 --> 03:02:08.600
<v Speaker 1>Our parents saw him black. Yeah, but they are parents.

3363
03:02:09.520 --> 03:02:12.280
<v Speaker 2>Our parents and grandparents also believe that Vietnam was like

3364
03:02:12.719 --> 03:02:14.159
<v Speaker 2>probably for good reasons too.

3365
03:02:16.239 --> 03:02:20.639
<v Speaker 1>Wow, your logic is so sound have I'm I'm highly

3366
03:02:20.639 --> 03:02:23.200
<v Speaker 1>impressed by it. Yeah, it's very intelligent of you.

3367
03:02:23.440 --> 03:02:26.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I use the same logic whenever people were like, well, look,

3368
03:02:26.440 --> 03:02:28.000
<v Speaker 2>if I wasn't there to see it, how do I

3369
03:02:28.040 --> 03:02:30.559
<v Speaker 2>know what really happened. I'm like, I feel you Apparently

3370
03:02:30.600 --> 03:02:32.719
<v Speaker 2>Michael Jackson used to be black. I don't know that's

3371
03:02:32.760 --> 03:02:37.079
<v Speaker 2>a true statement or not. Oh it's great. Oh now

3372
03:02:37.120 --> 03:02:38.959
<v Speaker 2>it's your co hosting. You're gonna meet some of these people.

3373
03:02:38.959 --> 03:02:41.000
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna have guests on the show, and they're gonna

3374
03:02:41.000 --> 03:02:44.200
<v Speaker 2>talk about how they don't believe nuclear bombs exist. They

3375
03:02:44.200 --> 03:02:50.040
<v Speaker 2>don't believe any history before nineteen fifty for reasons. And

3376
03:02:50.159 --> 03:02:52.120
<v Speaker 2>it's like, well, how can we trust the history books.

3377
03:02:52.120 --> 03:02:54.840
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't there. It's like, I feel you do allegedly.

3378
03:02:54.879 --> 03:02:57.040
<v Speaker 2>They say they're lying to us, but they say Michael

3379
03:02:57.120 --> 03:02:58.159
<v Speaker 2>Jackson used to be black.

3380
03:02:58.200 --> 03:03:01.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. To be fair, history books are written

3381
03:03:02.120 --> 03:03:07.040
<v Speaker 1>and change consistently, and the Smithsonian is a great example

3382
03:03:07.239 --> 03:03:13.239
<v Speaker 1>of hiding knowledge, destroying knowledge, and keeping so much knowledge

3383
03:03:13.239 --> 03:03:17.799
<v Speaker 1>from the public. I understand people's reservations and trying to

3384
03:03:17.799 --> 03:03:21.000
<v Speaker 1>figure out what is true and what is not. Hell,

3385
03:03:21.079 --> 03:03:23.959
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to do that. But I have held in

3386
03:03:24.000 --> 03:03:29.520
<v Speaker 1>my hands ten thousand year old artifacts like carbon dated

3387
03:03:29.600 --> 03:03:32.680
<v Speaker 1>they they are ten thousand years old, and like they

3388
03:03:32.680 --> 03:03:35.000
<v Speaker 1>are real I held them, I saw them. I dug

3389
03:03:35.040 --> 03:03:39.799
<v Speaker 1>them up in very disgusting, smelly, waste filled bacteria dirt

3390
03:03:40.360 --> 03:03:42.680
<v Speaker 1>stuff that we had to wear like special stuff over

3391
03:03:42.760 --> 03:03:45.600
<v Speaker 1>because I was poisoning people. But like, no, that's it's

3392
03:03:45.600 --> 03:03:51.600
<v Speaker 1>a real thing. Yepple people be people in But I

3393
03:03:51.600 --> 03:03:55.120
<v Speaker 1>get questioning everything around you because it's easy to fall

3394
03:03:55.200 --> 03:03:59.440
<v Speaker 1>into this whole what is actually true? I get that

3395
03:03:59.559 --> 03:04:03.120
<v Speaker 1>is the main tricks real and I mean the movie

3396
03:04:03.200 --> 03:04:06.879
<v Speaker 1>itself poses a lot of questions. The concept I think

3397
03:04:07.000 --> 03:04:10.920
<v Speaker 1>is fantastic. Yeah, I wonder if we're in a simulation,

3398
03:04:11.559 --> 03:04:14.280
<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe we're not. Like there's a lot of things

3399
03:04:14.280 --> 03:04:16.799
<v Speaker 1>to speculate. So I don't mind listening to people and

3400
03:04:16.840 --> 03:04:20.920
<v Speaker 1>their their thought processes, you know, if that's going to

3401
03:04:20.959 --> 03:04:25.200
<v Speaker 1>be a vibe or not. I will healthily disagree right

3402
03:04:25.760 --> 03:04:28.280
<v Speaker 1>in certain areas and we can have that talk. But

3403
03:04:28.840 --> 03:04:31.079
<v Speaker 1>I don't mind listening to it. And I don't mind, Hey,

3404
03:04:31.159 --> 03:04:33.799
<v Speaker 1>prove me wrong. I'm all for that, Like show me information.

3405
03:04:34.159 --> 03:04:36.239
<v Speaker 1>I can admit when I'm wrong, and I can admit

3406
03:04:36.280 --> 03:04:38.879
<v Speaker 1>when I don't know everything because I do not. There's

3407
03:04:39.079 --> 03:04:41.040
<v Speaker 1>so much to know in this life.

3408
03:04:40.840 --> 03:04:44.079
<v Speaker 2>So no, no doubt. But you'll hear people make some

3409
03:04:44.079 --> 03:04:50.040
<v Speaker 2>pretty bold claims. Bold is a very kind word to

3410
03:04:50.239 --> 03:04:52.680
<v Speaker 2>use for some, not all. We have people that make

3411
03:04:53.399 --> 03:04:56.399
<v Speaker 2>very wild claims sometimes, but they're not baseless. At least

3412
03:04:56.399 --> 03:04:58.360
<v Speaker 2>you could see the line of thinking that led them

3413
03:04:58.399 --> 03:05:00.520
<v Speaker 2>to this conclusion, and I can respect that. I might

3414
03:05:00.520 --> 03:05:03.520
<v Speaker 2>disagree with it, but I can respectfully disagree and like

3415
03:05:03.559 --> 03:05:04.159
<v Speaker 2>it's all good.

3416
03:05:04.799 --> 03:05:05.639
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna hear.

3417
03:05:05.559 --> 03:05:10.040
<v Speaker 2>People just doing the mostess and it's like, yeah, bruh.

3418
03:05:10.680 --> 03:05:12.360
<v Speaker 1>I need a diagram. I need you to draw it

3419
03:05:12.399 --> 03:05:16.000
<v Speaker 1>out on whiteboard for yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm a visual learner. People,

3420
03:05:16.079 --> 03:05:18.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm a visual learner. Bring your white boards if you're

3421
03:05:18.239 --> 03:05:20.799
<v Speaker 1>gonna teach me some shit. So continue.

3422
03:05:20.840 --> 03:05:22.680
<v Speaker 2>It says there were two reasons not to reveal this

3423
03:05:22.760 --> 03:05:25.719
<v Speaker 2>inspiration at the time, First, so that the media didn't

3424
03:05:25.719 --> 03:05:28.399
<v Speaker 2>accuse him of glorifying such a heinous crime, and second,

3425
03:05:28.680 --> 03:05:31.120
<v Speaker 2>he didn't want the Jehovah's Witness elders to know that

3426
03:05:31.200 --> 03:05:35.920
<v Speaker 2>a worshiper of the occult partly inspired this song wow.

3427
03:05:36.079 --> 03:05:39.319
<v Speaker 2>Even though again, the Jehovah's Witness is in fact a

3428
03:05:39.399 --> 03:05:43.040
<v Speaker 2>recognized cult. They are known for making their into the

3429
03:05:43.040 --> 03:05:45.639
<v Speaker 2>world predictions. I think they're on their sixth one, right,

3430
03:05:45.680 --> 03:05:47.559
<v Speaker 2>now like as a congregation.

3431
03:05:48.000 --> 03:05:49.719
<v Speaker 1>It's been anyway, That's fun.

3432
03:05:50.079 --> 03:05:53.639
<v Speaker 2>Another version of Smooth Criminal was also a hit. Smooth

3433
03:05:53.680 --> 03:05:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Criminal reached number seven in the Billboard Hot one hundred,

3434
03:05:56.760 --> 03:05:59.559
<v Speaker 2>staying in the chart for fifteen weeks. The tune appeared

3435
03:05:59.559 --> 03:06:03.559
<v Speaker 2>in the out Bad. If Smooth Criminal was on any

3436
03:06:03.600 --> 03:06:06.799
<v Speaker 2>other album peaking at number seven, it would be impressive. However,

3437
03:06:07.280 --> 03:06:11.879
<v Speaker 2>Bad produced five number one singles, it's title track, Okay

3438
03:06:11.920 --> 03:06:14.239
<v Speaker 2>this is going down some I just can't stop loving

3439
03:06:14.239 --> 03:06:16.079
<v Speaker 2>you the way you made me feel Man in the mirror,

3440
03:06:16.120 --> 03:06:19.319
<v Speaker 2>Dirty Diana. With that in mind, the performance of Smooth

3441
03:06:19.360 --> 03:06:23.040
<v Speaker 2>Criminal was underwhelming. In the meantime, the album was a

3442
03:06:23.079 --> 03:06:26.360
<v Speaker 2>huge hit. The record top Billboard two hundred for six weeks.

3443
03:06:26.760 --> 03:06:29.639
<v Speaker 2>It lasted on the chart for one hundred and seventy

3444
03:06:29.680 --> 03:06:33.200
<v Speaker 2>one weeks in total. Wow, It's stay at the top

3445
03:06:33.200 --> 03:06:36.559
<v Speaker 2>of the chart longer than any other of Jackson's records, which,

3446
03:06:37.319 --> 03:06:41.399
<v Speaker 2>with the sole exception of thriller That is Pretty Insane.

3447
03:06:41.920 --> 03:06:44.360
<v Speaker 2>Smooth Criminal received a second life when the rock band

3448
03:06:44.399 --> 03:06:47.079
<v Speaker 2>alien Ant Farm covered it. It reached number twenty three

3449
03:06:47.239 --> 03:06:49.840
<v Speaker 2>on the Billboard Hot one hundred, lasting on there for

3450
03:06:50.159 --> 03:06:52.600
<v Speaker 2>twenty weeks. It remained one of the most well known

3451
03:06:52.639 --> 03:06:55.040
<v Speaker 2>covers of a song by the King of Pop. The

3452
03:06:55.079 --> 03:06:58.360
<v Speaker 2>cover appeared on the record Anthology, which peaked at number

3453
03:06:58.360 --> 03:07:01.079
<v Speaker 2>eleven and stayed on the chart for six four weeks. Okay,

3454
03:07:01.280 --> 03:07:05.200
<v Speaker 2>so anyway, as far as all of this goes, a Satanist,

3455
03:07:05.280 --> 03:07:09.040
<v Speaker 2>a self proclaimed Satanist was the inspiration for one of

3456
03:07:09.040 --> 03:07:12.040
<v Speaker 2>Michael Jackson's songs, which is pretty crazy to me too.

3457
03:07:12.120 --> 03:07:15.000
<v Speaker 1>That is pretty crazy, especially if he was a devout jojo.

3458
03:07:15.479 --> 03:07:19.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, I know that.

3459
03:07:19.319 --> 03:07:23.879
<v Speaker 1>It's I know that we have barely touched on the

3460
03:07:23.920 --> 03:07:27.479
<v Speaker 1>surface of everything there is to do with the occult

3461
03:07:27.920 --> 03:07:31.520
<v Speaker 1>and Satanism and all of that, and to dive into

3462
03:07:31.920 --> 03:07:34.399
<v Speaker 1>what I was going to it would take us a

3463
03:07:34.440 --> 03:07:35.319
<v Speaker 1>good long while.

3464
03:07:36.319 --> 03:07:37.600
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna an episode.

3465
03:07:37.799 --> 03:07:39.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we might do a whole episode on him in

3466
03:07:39.799 --> 03:07:43.920
<v Speaker 1>and of itself, and because talking about the occult and

3467
03:07:44.079 --> 03:07:48.079
<v Speaker 1>talking about Satanism and the symbolism of the music industry,

3468
03:07:48.600 --> 03:07:51.280
<v Speaker 1>it is such a multifaceted thing, and once you pull

3469
03:07:51.319 --> 03:07:54.479
<v Speaker 1>on one string, it's like fifteen in ravel and you

3470
03:07:54.559 --> 03:07:57.959
<v Speaker 1>got to go down all of the different ways they

3471
03:07:58.079 --> 03:08:00.680
<v Speaker 1>all connect and how they all intersect and stuff. And

3472
03:08:00.760 --> 03:08:03.239
<v Speaker 1>so we definitely are going to do a different episode

3473
03:08:03.280 --> 03:08:06.360
<v Speaker 1>on that, because that would lead another like three or

3474
03:08:06.399 --> 03:08:09.079
<v Speaker 1>four hours of conversation just in and of itself.

3475
03:08:09.840 --> 03:08:12.360
<v Speaker 2>It very much will. I know that for a fact,

3476
03:08:13.159 --> 03:08:16.520
<v Speaker 2>there is no shortage of people who the public have

3477
03:08:16.639 --> 03:08:19.680
<v Speaker 2>believed has sold their soul to the devil for fame

3478
03:08:19.719 --> 03:08:22.159
<v Speaker 2>and fortune and talents and all these things. But we

3479
03:08:22.200 --> 03:08:24.719
<v Speaker 2>did want to take this episode good cult members and

3480
03:08:24.799 --> 03:08:28.760
<v Speaker 2>show the historical precedent for this. And of course faus

3481
03:08:28.879 --> 03:08:33.399
<v Speaker 2>is not the first claim of something along these lines, however,

3482
03:08:33.479 --> 03:08:36.360
<v Speaker 2>it is one of the most popular oldest claims that

3483
03:08:36.399 --> 03:08:38.719
<v Speaker 2>we could find at this time. I'm sure we could

3484
03:08:38.719 --> 03:08:42.239
<v Speaker 2>dive way back into ancient Greece and ancient Rome and

3485
03:08:42.280 --> 03:08:46.799
<v Speaker 2>find people who sold their soul to darker forces for

3486
03:08:46.879 --> 03:08:51.319
<v Speaker 2>such a similar outcome, so to speak. But that being said,

3487
03:08:51.760 --> 03:08:57.040
<v Speaker 2>Faust was an interesting caricature, right, not just the play,

3488
03:08:57.520 --> 03:09:00.879
<v Speaker 2>not just the book, but the amount of inspiration that

3489
03:09:00.959 --> 03:09:05.760
<v Speaker 2>was derived from him in so many popular cultural references

3490
03:09:05.760 --> 03:09:06.959
<v Speaker 2>that we still reference today.

3491
03:09:07.319 --> 03:09:09.879
<v Speaker 1>M hm, you know, I mean there was a lot

3492
03:09:09.959 --> 03:09:12.520
<v Speaker 1>that you just pulled up quickly with just a few

3493
03:09:12.639 --> 03:09:14.200
<v Speaker 1>articles them referencing it.

3494
03:09:14.479 --> 03:09:18.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there's so many basically any one of these

3495
03:09:18.799 --> 03:09:22.319
<v Speaker 2>tropes that you can think of, either through literature or

3496
03:09:22.479 --> 03:09:27.000
<v Speaker 2>movies or songs where somebody has to uh. And there's

3497
03:09:27.000 --> 03:09:29.799
<v Speaker 2>a couple of different ways this can shake out. Sometimes

3498
03:09:29.840 --> 03:09:32.600
<v Speaker 2>it is out of desperation and these people are signing

3499
03:09:32.600 --> 03:09:34.799
<v Speaker 2>their soul a way to get themselves out of a jam.

3500
03:09:35.479 --> 03:09:37.559
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes these people are signing their soul a way to

3501
03:09:37.719 --> 03:09:40.680
<v Speaker 2>elevate their status or abilities or whatever the case is.

3502
03:09:41.239 --> 03:09:43.920
<v Speaker 2>There's different ways that this goes But every single time

3503
03:09:43.959 --> 03:09:47.799
<v Speaker 2>this goes down, they believe that the ends are justifying

3504
03:09:47.840 --> 03:09:50.600
<v Speaker 2>the means, and every step of the way the devil

3505
03:09:50.680 --> 03:09:54.040
<v Speaker 2>is screwing them over in weird ways they didn't perceive

3506
03:09:54.360 --> 03:09:57.760
<v Speaker 2>on the onset, And we brought up the Brendan Fraser

3507
03:09:57.799 --> 03:10:01.639
<v Speaker 2>movie but Dazzled that is an excellent and comical interpretation

3508
03:10:02.280 --> 03:10:07.959
<v Speaker 2>of the Faustian trope essentially. But yeah, it does date

3509
03:10:08.000 --> 03:10:10.719
<v Speaker 2>back all the way to the fourteen hundreds in Germany,

3510
03:10:11.440 --> 03:10:13.000
<v Speaker 2>which is wild to me.

3511
03:10:13.440 --> 03:10:15.879
<v Speaker 1>Well, the next thing we talk about the rest of this,

3512
03:10:16.559 --> 03:10:19.399
<v Speaker 1>it will do a full circle of how the selling

3513
03:10:19.440 --> 03:10:22.200
<v Speaker 1>of the souls and all this stuff, and we'll bring

3514
03:10:22.280 --> 03:10:24.879
<v Speaker 1>up quite a few celebrities, some stuff that happened in

3515
03:10:24.959 --> 03:10:28.920
<v Speaker 1>the eighties, how it all ties and plays together even today.

3516
03:10:29.520 --> 03:10:33.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm excited. It's gonna be a good one. So yeah,

3517
03:10:33.440 --> 03:10:34.799
<v Speaker 2>on the next one, as a matter of fact, we're

3518
03:10:34.799 --> 03:10:40.360
<v Speaker 2>going to be talking about Jean Jean Michael Bestquette, best Guett,

3519
03:10:40.559 --> 03:10:44.079
<v Speaker 2>best Guett, that's his name. Famous artist, Yeah, if anybody

3520
03:10:44.120 --> 03:10:48.319
<v Speaker 2>doesn't know him, famous graffiti artist. His one of his

3521
03:10:48.399 --> 03:10:51.959
<v Speaker 2>paintings sold for one hundred and ten million dollars and

3522
03:10:53.079 --> 03:10:56.639
<v Speaker 2>pretty much every step of his success and why so

3523
03:10:56.760 --> 03:11:01.120
<v Speaker 2>many very specific artists reference him as such inspiration I E.

3524
03:11:01.280 --> 03:11:05.520
<v Speaker 2>Jay Z and Beyonce and many others, and then the

3525
03:11:05.559 --> 03:11:09.120
<v Speaker 2>whereabouts of his death and all that. Yeah, Jean Michael

3526
03:11:09.159 --> 03:11:11.639
<v Speaker 2>Bisquette gets his own episode. That's probably gonna be the

3527
03:11:11.680 --> 03:11:15.079
<v Speaker 2>next one that we do. As a matter of fact. Yeah,

3528
03:11:15.559 --> 03:11:18.959
<v Speaker 2>I mean what you being the more literary red one

3529
03:11:19.040 --> 03:11:21.840
<v Speaker 2>between us. I don't know how many books you've read

3530
03:11:21.840 --> 03:11:23.879
<v Speaker 2>where there has been some sort of a deal struck

3531
03:11:24.280 --> 03:11:25.079
<v Speaker 2>in this regard.

3532
03:11:26.479 --> 03:11:30.120
<v Speaker 1>There's so many, yeah, so many, Like just sinking because

3533
03:11:30.120 --> 03:11:33.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm a movie buff too, and so like just the

3534
03:11:33.360 --> 03:11:37.920
<v Speaker 1>amount of movies, television shows and books that have some

3535
03:11:38.120 --> 03:11:42.559
<v Speaker 1>type of contract that is that has been signed in blood,

3536
03:11:42.680 --> 03:11:44.760
<v Speaker 1>that has been used in blood. I mean blood is

3537
03:11:45.040 --> 03:11:50.559
<v Speaker 1>blood is what gives ritual's power and gives the practitioners power.

3538
03:11:50.639 --> 03:11:53.520
<v Speaker 1>And so it is pretty much in like everything under

3539
03:11:53.559 --> 03:11:56.040
<v Speaker 1>the sun that you could think of is gonna be

3540
03:11:56.440 --> 03:11:59.440
<v Speaker 1>has referenced that in some way, shape or form. I'm

3541
03:11:59.479 --> 03:12:03.559
<v Speaker 1>surprised that I've never actually heard the original story until

3542
03:12:03.639 --> 03:12:08.040
<v Speaker 1>tonight of this. I've heard the name, and that's why

3543
03:12:08.120 --> 03:12:09.639
<v Speaker 1>when you brought it up, I was like, man, I

3544
03:12:09.680 --> 03:12:12.479
<v Speaker 1>know that name, but like I couldn't tell you couldn't

3545
03:12:12.520 --> 03:12:16.399
<v Speaker 1>pinpoint where I had actually heard it from. But now

3546
03:12:16.440 --> 03:12:18.719
<v Speaker 1>knowing the full story, and I've been sitting here through

3547
03:12:18.760 --> 03:12:21.000
<v Speaker 1>this episode thinking of all the different things that I've

3548
03:12:21.040 --> 03:12:25.040
<v Speaker 1>seen throughout my life of like movies and television and

3549
03:12:25.040 --> 03:12:28.319
<v Speaker 1>books and stuff where this in particular has come up

3550
03:12:28.399 --> 03:12:30.760
<v Speaker 1>in some way, shape or form. It's wild to me.

3551
03:12:31.360 --> 03:12:33.280
<v Speaker 2>So I had heard of Faust, and I had heard

3552
03:12:33.280 --> 03:12:37.079
<v Speaker 2>of the Faustian Bargain and all these things. I had

3553
03:12:37.159 --> 03:12:40.959
<v Speaker 2>no idea that it was actually based on a German

3554
03:12:41.040 --> 03:12:45.520
<v Speaker 2>alchemist had all these historical claims behind it. I mean,

3555
03:12:46.040 --> 03:12:50.079
<v Speaker 2>and same like we said ghostwriter, for instance, I knew

3556
03:12:50.079 --> 03:12:52.959
<v Speaker 2>that that was a trope. There's an old Disney movie

3557
03:12:53.440 --> 03:12:57.239
<v Speaker 2>HG Double hockey Sticks where it was another faustian bargain

3558
03:12:57.280 --> 03:13:01.000
<v Speaker 2>that was struck to be a world last hockey player.

3559
03:13:01.040 --> 03:13:04.040
<v Speaker 2>And they've done this in a very comic way, they've

3560
03:13:04.040 --> 03:13:06.360
<v Speaker 2>done it in a very horror way and tragedy way,

3561
03:13:06.360 --> 03:13:09.440
<v Speaker 2>all these things. Before we started doing research, I had

3562
03:13:09.520 --> 03:13:13.440
<v Speaker 2>no fucking clue that there was actual historical backgrounds to it,

3563
03:13:13.520 --> 03:13:16.319
<v Speaker 2>not just on the stage or on screen or in script.

3564
03:13:17.000 --> 03:13:20.000
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, this was pretty much. This is a mind

3565
03:13:20.000 --> 03:13:22.319
<v Speaker 2>blowing episode for all of us. I think, in one

3566
03:13:22.319 --> 03:13:22.639
<v Speaker 2>way or.

3567
03:13:22.639 --> 03:13:25.280
<v Speaker 1>Another, that's pretty cool. And I learned a lot of

3568
03:13:25.280 --> 03:13:28.200
<v Speaker 1>stuff tonight that I didn't know about. So good cult members,

3569
03:13:28.239 --> 03:13:29.200
<v Speaker 1>we want to hear from you.

3570
03:13:29.440 --> 03:13:31.920
<v Speaker 2>I do want to apologize for all the butchering of

3571
03:13:32.000 --> 03:13:35.440
<v Speaker 2>pronunciations and the stammering through the scripts. A lot of

3572
03:13:35.440 --> 03:13:37.879
<v Speaker 2>these names are from countries of origin that I do

3573
03:13:37.959 --> 03:13:40.079
<v Speaker 2>not speak the language or the dialect and don't know

3574
03:13:40.120 --> 03:13:41.719
<v Speaker 2>how they pronounced their words.

3575
03:13:41.760 --> 03:13:43.680
<v Speaker 1>But I did better than I would, so I.

3576
03:13:43.639 --> 03:13:47.120
<v Speaker 2>Made it through. I made it through. So apologies in advance,

3577
03:13:47.239 --> 03:13:49.600
<v Speaker 2>or I should say postmark for that, because you've already

3578
03:13:49.600 --> 03:13:52.159
<v Speaker 2>heard me stammering like a babbling buffoon all night. But

3579
03:13:52.200 --> 03:13:54.079
<v Speaker 2>that's fine, it's fine, we're here.

3580
03:13:54.520 --> 03:13:55.399
<v Speaker 1>So good Cult members.

3581
03:13:55.440 --> 03:13:56.799
<v Speaker 2>We want to hear what you have to say about

3582
03:13:56.799 --> 03:13:58.520
<v Speaker 2>this before I give you all these things. We do

3583
03:13:58.600 --> 03:14:00.440
<v Speaker 2>need to give the shame as plugs. If you go

3584
03:14:00.479 --> 03:14:04.360
<v Speaker 2>to link in the description below to Good Feels Cannabis Seltzer,

3585
03:14:04.600 --> 03:14:09.000
<v Speaker 2>that is the best place to get your marijuana infused Seltzer's.

3586
03:14:09.000 --> 03:14:11.120
<v Speaker 2>If you're somebody that does not like to smoke the

3587
03:14:11.159 --> 03:14:13.120
<v Speaker 2>Sacred Herb, but perhaps you would like to drink the

3588
03:14:13.120 --> 03:14:15.360
<v Speaker 2>Sacred Herb, go there and you will get twenty percent

3589
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<v Speaker 2>off of your order and shipping to your door. They

3590
03:14:18.159 --> 03:14:20.079
<v Speaker 2>have a wide variety of flavors, and I think they

3591
03:14:20.120 --> 03:14:23.559
<v Speaker 2>have different strength levels as well, for whatever is needed. Listen,

3592
03:14:23.879 --> 03:14:26.120
<v Speaker 2>not everybody's the spirit animal. He could probably drink two

3593
03:14:26.120 --> 03:14:28.520
<v Speaker 2>flats of the shit and get through a breakfast, okay.

3594
03:14:28.559 --> 03:14:31.760
<v Speaker 2>But like for the rest of humanity, one can should

3595
03:14:31.760 --> 03:14:33.360
<v Speaker 2>be more than enough to get you from A to B.

3596
03:14:34.040 --> 03:14:36.719
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not from what I understand, I don't partake

3597
03:14:36.760 --> 03:14:39.079
<v Speaker 2>of it myself. From what I understand, one can is

3598
03:14:39.120 --> 03:14:40.879
<v Speaker 2>not going to be enough to knock you on your ass,

3599
03:14:41.000 --> 03:14:42.319
<v Speaker 2>but it's gonna be enough to put you in a

3600
03:14:42.360 --> 03:14:44.680
<v Speaker 2>really good vibe and a good state of mind to

3601
03:14:44.799 --> 03:14:47.559
<v Speaker 2>experiment with that yourself and see what all the hooplaws about.

3602
03:14:47.639 --> 03:14:49.879
<v Speaker 2>Go to the link in the description to good Feels

3603
03:14:49.879 --> 03:14:54.479
<v Speaker 2>cannabis Seltzer. Also, while giving the shameless plugs, if you

3604
03:14:54.479 --> 03:14:55.879
<v Speaker 2>would like to get your start in the buying and

3605
03:14:55.879 --> 03:14:58.680
<v Speaker 2>selling and trading of gold and silver buoyant, then go

3606
03:14:58.760 --> 03:15:01.399
<v Speaker 2>to the link in the description below so to cocsilver

3607
03:15:01.799 --> 03:15:03.840
<v Speaker 2>dot com. When you fill out your information on Homeboy,

3608
03:15:03.879 --> 03:15:05.239
<v Speaker 2>Wayne Clark is going to be the one to reach

3609
03:15:05.239 --> 03:15:06.879
<v Speaker 2>out to you and get you squared away. Talk to

3610
03:15:06.920 --> 03:15:09.200
<v Speaker 2>your financial advisor, talk to your account or your CPA

3611
03:15:09.280 --> 03:15:11.920
<v Speaker 2>and ask them, hey, what do you think about investing

3612
03:15:11.959 --> 03:15:14.799
<v Speaker 2>in gold and bullion and silver and platinum? Is this

3613
03:15:14.879 --> 03:15:17.360
<v Speaker 2>a wise thing? Or is this just a new fad

3614
03:15:17.399 --> 03:15:20.000
<v Speaker 2>that's taken the Internet by storm. I promise you that

3615
03:15:20.120 --> 03:15:22.280
<v Speaker 2>every one of them that is worth their salt is

3616
03:15:22.319 --> 03:15:24.239
<v Speaker 2>going to tell you that you should have at least

3617
03:15:24.280 --> 03:15:28.120
<v Speaker 2>a portion of your retirement portfolio invested in precious metals.

3618
03:15:28.200 --> 03:15:30.600
<v Speaker 2>We're not talking about the stock price. We're not talking

3619
03:15:30.600 --> 03:15:33.040
<v Speaker 2>about some mining company you've never heard of. We're talking

3620
03:15:33.079 --> 03:15:35.280
<v Speaker 2>about you order the coin, the coin gets mailed to

3621
03:15:35.319 --> 03:15:37.840
<v Speaker 2>your door. You order the bar, The bar gets mailed

3622
03:15:37.879 --> 03:15:39.959
<v Speaker 2>to your door. You do with what you will. And

3623
03:15:40.079 --> 03:15:43.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to say, when we started this affiliate program

3624
03:15:43.639 --> 03:15:46.520
<v Speaker 2>with seven K and we got our website, coc Silver

3625
03:15:46.959 --> 03:15:49.319
<v Speaker 2>goal was a little over thirty dollars an ounce. Today

3626
03:15:49.319 --> 03:15:51.440
<v Speaker 2>I checked, it's a little over fifty dollars an ounce

3627
03:15:51.479 --> 03:15:53.600
<v Speaker 2>right now. This coin used to be worth thirty dollars

3628
03:15:53.719 --> 03:15:55.520
<v Speaker 2>is now worth fifty and it's only been six months.

3629
03:15:55.639 --> 03:15:57.760
<v Speaker 2>It's about to go up even more. While it's still

3630
03:15:57.760 --> 03:15:59.879
<v Speaker 2>affordable to get your hands on some. Now is the

3631
03:15:59.879 --> 03:16:02.200
<v Speaker 2>time to buy. Go to the link in the description

3632
03:16:02.239 --> 03:16:05.879
<v Speaker 2>below cecsilver dot com. But good Colt members, we want

3633
03:16:05.920 --> 03:16:08.399
<v Speaker 2>to hear what you think about the fauctium bargain.

3634
03:16:08.479 --> 03:16:11.319
<v Speaker 1>Do you know somebody that may have made that bargain yourself?

3635
03:16:11.559 --> 03:16:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Do you think this is all just literary hoopla and

3636
03:16:14.079 --> 03:16:17.559
<v Speaker 2>it's just an artistic troupe. Do you think that there

3637
03:16:17.600 --> 03:16:19.680
<v Speaker 2>is some sort of a basis of reality to this.

3638
03:16:20.079 --> 03:16:21.840
<v Speaker 2>We want to hear from you. In the best place

3639
03:16:21.840 --> 03:16:22.760
<v Speaker 2>to let us hear that.

3640
03:16:22.719 --> 03:16:25.760
<v Speaker 3>Would be too Please hit the five stars at the

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03:16:25.760 --> 03:16:28.040
<v Speaker 3>shares the Like, subscribes comments, leve a postly review.

3642
03:16:27.799 --> 03:16:29.760
<v Speaker 2>And shares a defensive family shares everywhere.

3643
03:16:29.920 --> 03:16:30.719
<v Speaker 1>Here's the deal.

3644
03:16:31.000 --> 03:16:33.200
<v Speaker 2>The more activity the algorithm sees across all of our

3645
03:16:33.239 --> 03:16:35.559
<v Speaker 2>listening platforms, the more we get promoted to more potential

3646
03:16:35.600 --> 03:16:38.040
<v Speaker 2>listeners who could that become potential cult members like dress

3647
03:16:38.120 --> 03:16:39.680
<v Speaker 2>you Finally's and gentlemen, why are.

3648
03:16:39.600 --> 03:16:40.040
<v Speaker 1>You ready to go?

3649
03:16:40.120 --> 03:16:41.840
<v Speaker 2>Check out menimistics jobs this the other show and give

3650
03:16:41.879 --> 03:16:43.239
<v Speaker 2>them the same lover respect over there with the five

3651
03:16:43.239 --> 03:16:44.959
<v Speaker 2>star reviews on the positivity in the comments.

3652
03:16:45.159 --> 03:16:47.079
<v Speaker 3>Come check out the Cage to Night and come join

3653
03:16:47.200 --> 03:16:49.280
<v Speaker 3>each of us for our individual patroon lines that we

3654
03:16:49.319 --> 03:16:51.200
<v Speaker 3>host every Wednesday night in nine pm Central.

3655
03:16:51.319 --> 03:16:53.120
<v Speaker 1>Links to those are in the description as well, and

3656
03:16:53.239 --> 03:16:55.120
<v Speaker 1>we thank you. Everybody's already gone and done so.

3657
03:16:55.719 --> 03:16:59.239
<v Speaker 2>And with all of that being said, this was another

3658
03:16:59.280 --> 03:17:03.239
<v Speaker 2>beautiful aatfist of the Cult of Conspiracy. My name is

3659
03:17:03.319 --> 03:17:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Jacob and there is one very important, extremely final piece

3660
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<v Speaker 2>of information we need you to learn.

3661
03:17:08.799 --> 03:17:11.239
<v Speaker 1>Just then heads romanly possible.

3662
03:17:49.639 --> 03:17:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Hey cult members, Jacob here just want to ask who

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