Speaker 1: This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to kf
Speaker 1: I AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on
Speaker 1: demand on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2: Good news and bad news. Good news is Shannon didn't
Speaker 2: have to drive into work today. The bad news is
Speaker 2: she is getting the final round of root canal work done.
Speaker 3: They call me yup mad, don't rush like they call
Speaker 3: me yum mab rush elma.
Speaker 2: That's not nice because that's not her. That's not the way.
Speaker 2: It's not because she doesn't brush your teeth. It's just
Speaker 2: it's a different issue. But it's okay. I'll tell her
Speaker 2: that you said that she's a yukmouth, all right. So
Speaker 2: there has been a major major shift in what we
Speaker 2: are now thinking about the way to end the war
Speaker 2: between Russia and Ukraine, Russia's aggression against Ukraine, and there
Speaker 2: is a lot that's going on in another continent. Both
Speaker 2: the Secretary of Defense Pete Hegsath the Vice President Evans
Speaker 2: they are in Europe right now and are expected to
Speaker 2: have some major discussions when it comes to the peace
Speaker 2: potential between Russia and Ukraine. Vladimir Zelenski has said that
Speaker 2: he's not going to agree to anything unless he is
Speaker 2: involved in the discussions. We know yesterday that President Trump
Speaker 2: called Vladimir Putin and Vladimir Zelenski to talk with both
Speaker 2: of them about it, so that'll come up in a
Speaker 2: few minutes. We'll discuss what's going on also in the
Speaker 2: shadow of this Munich Peace Conference, the Munich discussions this meeting,
Speaker 2: there was a terrorist attack. Somebody drove a car into
Speaker 2: a group, killed about twenty eight people, So we'll talk
Speaker 2: about that also coming up at ten thirty. It's a
Speaker 2: good day to do it because we're not worried about
Speaker 2: fires today, but the sort of aftermath of Palisades and
Speaker 2: the Eton fires. We'll talk about what's going on in
Speaker 2: terms of the testing for contaminants in the soil, but
Speaker 2: also how close things got to an absolute catach astrophe
Speaker 2: up north when that fire broke out, the Hughes fire
Speaker 2: near Castaic. We almost had to empty out a jail.
Speaker 2: That probably would not have been a very very good idea.
Speaker 4: Also, just in from DC, some must vote the a's
Speaker 4: A fifty two, the n AS forty eight. The confirmation is confirmed.
Speaker 2: RFK Junior will be the new head of the Department
Speaker 2: of Health and Human Services. We'll talk about that we'll
Speaker 2: talk about Mitch McConnell, by the way, the only Republican
Speaker 2: who voted against RFK Junior. This guy, barely alive, literally
Speaker 2: barely alive, is doing what he can to oppose President
Speaker 2: Trump before he leaves office. So all of that is
Speaker 2: to come up. But listen, rain is going to be
Speaker 2: the big story of the day. And I was just
Speaker 2: looking at some of the radar pictures. It's basically from
Speaker 2: the border with Mexico to the border with Oregon. We
Speaker 2: are seeing rain and snow throughout California as a result
Speaker 2: of this storm. And here in La County, the expectation
Speaker 2: is this afternoon and evening is when it's going to
Speaker 2: get really heavy.
Speaker 4: We'll see the brunt of the storm.
Speaker 2: Probably National Weather Services it's between two pm and ten
Speaker 2: pm tonight, So have fun driving home today, take it easy,
Speaker 2: because of course that's when everybody's going to be freaked out.
Speaker 2: Orange County, Inland Empire probably the later portion of that window.
Speaker 2: They say probably between five pm and ten pm. If
Speaker 2: you're farther south, you know you're down in San Diego County,
Speaker 2: for example. They're talking about late into the evening and
Speaker 2: into early tomorrow morning. When you will see the brunt
Speaker 2: of the storm. But some of the places up in
Speaker 2: central California are already absolutely getting blasted by some of
Speaker 2: the storm. We've seen four inches of rain already in
Speaker 2: a few places in San Luis Obispo County. The biggest
Speaker 2: issue right now is going to be keeping an eye
Speaker 2: on the burn scar areas. Whether it's the Palisades Fire,
Speaker 2: the Eaten fire, the Hughes fire, all of them are
Speaker 2: potential disasters waiting to happen because of the mudslide potential
Speaker 2: that's out there. So in the Palisades area, the area
Speaker 2: is now limited to residents only until tomorrow afternoon. Contractors
Speaker 2: with passes will not be allowed to go into the
Speaker 2: Palisades area. Evacuation warnings issued for the Getty Villa area,
Speaker 2: portion of the Highlands neighborhood near the Burns, the northern
Speaker 2: section of Bien Venita Avenue, a northern section of Temis
Speaker 2: called Canyon Road, northern edge of Marinette Road and Oracle Place,
Speaker 2: and the area right around Will Rogers State Park Road,
Speaker 2: all of them as of right now under evacuation warnings
Speaker 2: because of the potential for things to get worse. Malibu Brentwood,
Speaker 2: Sunset Mesa, some of the places in Hollywood and Hollywood
Speaker 2: Hills West, all of them in Silmar. Also the evacuation
Speaker 2: warnings in effect for a few homes on the western
Speaker 2: edge of the Oak Ridge Mobile Home Park. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is just we're going to be basically hanging on
Speaker 2: by our fingernails over the course of the next few hours,
Speaker 2: trying to see if this thing is going to dump
Speaker 2: as much rain as is expected. Orange County along the canyons,
Speaker 2: all of them Tribuco Hot Springs, Bell Long Majesca areas
Speaker 2: of risk because of the debrif Row flow because of
Speaker 2: the airport fire, and the evacuation warning is in effect
Speaker 2: and has been so for about an hour and then out.
Speaker 2: In San Bernardino County, evacuation warning is issued for the
Speaker 2: unincorporated communities the Mount Baldy Village, right Wood, some of
Speaker 2: the northern and eastern neighborhoods in the City of Highland
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Speaker 2: all right again, a major shift internationally when it comes
Speaker 2: to how we're looking at the end whatever that is
Speaker 2: of the Russian aggression in Ukraine. We'll talk about all
Speaker 2: of the moves that have been made over the course
Speaker 2: of the you say, last twenty four thirty six hours,
Speaker 2: and what it means going forward.
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Speaker 2: then you will be notified via an email. Patrick Reevel
Speaker 2: from ABC News talking about Ukraine and Russia, Well.
Speaker 5: I've been speaking with a former senior Ukrainian official in
Speaker 5: Ukraine who says that there's a lot of confusion. I'm
Speaker 5: concerned in Ukraine because they also feel that President Trump
Speaker 5: has already given up a number of key negotiating positions
Speaker 5: even before the negotiations have begun, saying that I've been
Speaker 5: particular that NATO membership is off the table, and they're saying,
Speaker 5: even if that was understood, it's best not to say
Speaker 5: that before you begin talks.
Speaker 2: This on the heels of yesterday's announcement from the White
Speaker 2: House and from the Kremlin that there was a ninety
Speaker 2: minute phone conversation between President Trump and President Putin, and
Speaker 2: then Trump got on the phone with Zelensky out of
Speaker 2: Ukraine and described what was going on now. According to Zelenski,
Speaker 2: he spoke with Trump about a lasting, reliable peace. Defense
Speaker 2: Secretary Pete Hegseth says it is unlikely that Ukraine would
Speaker 2: join NATO. That obviously would come as a pretty disappointing
Speaker 2: things as Patrick Reevel was describing there. Pete Hegseth is
Speaker 2: in Brussels and has been talking with military leaders from
Speaker 2: other countries as well, secretary level military officials about not
Speaker 2: just Ukraine, but all of Northern and Eastern Europe.
Speaker 6: I had the chance to brief allies on President Trump's
Speaker 6: top priority, a diplomatic, peaceful end to this war as
Speaker 6: quickly as possible, in a manner that creates enduring and
Speaker 6: durable peace. The American Defense Department fully supports the efforts
Speaker 6: of the Trump administration, and we look to allies to
Speaker 6: support this important work with leading on Ukraine security assistance
Speaker 6: now through increased contributions and greater ownership of future security
Speaker 6: assistance to Ukraine.
Speaker 2: And obviously he's talking specifically about NATO allies paying their
Speaker 2: fair share his term.
Speaker 4: Trump told reporters at the White House.
Speaker 2: In terms of, you know, giving up some of these
Speaker 2: key positions before the negotiations actually begins. Lenski doesn't want
Speaker 2: to give up pieces of land necessarily. He doesn't want
Speaker 2: to immediately take the NATO membership off the table. Trumptial
Speaker 2: reporters of the White House, it's unlikely that Ukraine would
Speaker 2: return to its pre twenty fourteen board, but said that
Speaker 2: some of that land will come back. It sounds like
Speaker 2: that's the kind of deal that Trump wants to put
Speaker 2: in place, to give up some of the land to
Speaker 2: exchange basically exchange some of the Russian occupied territory right now,
Speaker 2: whether it's Crimea or other portions back to Ukraine, and
Speaker 2: then Ukraine would give up something like the Cursk region
Speaker 2: farther to the east in Ukraine, which has already got
Speaker 2: a bunch of Russian nationals that live there, they speak
Speaker 2: the Russian language, etc. That's one of the reasons that
Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin went in there in the first place. But
Speaker 2: he had said, he being Trump, that this we've got
Speaker 2: to end this. It's time to stop this ridiculous war.
Speaker 2: There has been massive, totally unnecessary death and destruction, and
Speaker 2: he wrote, God bless the people of Russia and Ukraine.
Speaker 2: Now tomorrow is when the Munich Security Conference kicks off.
Speaker 2: Munich is where Jade Vance is going to be the
Speaker 2: vice president. Secretary of State Marco Rubio is going to
Speaker 2: be there. And there was an event early this morning
Speaker 2: where where at least twenty eight people wounded after a
Speaker 2: car drove into a group of people in Munich. German
Speaker 2: newspaper reported at least two or in serious condition, a
Speaker 2: child in critical condition. Eyewitnesses said that a car ran
Speaker 2: to a woman with a child and that the mother
Speaker 2: and child were lying under the car. Munich police said
Speaker 2: a major police operation in the area was underway. This
Speaker 2: is by the way, a few blocks away from where
Speaker 2: this Munich security conference is supposed to be taking place
Speaker 2: starting tomorrow. Munich police have arrested a guy. They described
Speaker 2: him as a twenty four year old Afghan asylum seeker.
Speaker 2: He was detained there on site. They said there is
Speaker 2: no other there is no further danger. The attack occurred
Speaker 2: during a what they called the Verdi strike. It's called
Speaker 2: the Verdi strike because the trade union, the Verity Trade Union,
Speaker 2: is part of an ongoing wage dispute, and eyewitnesses said
Speaker 2: that they saw two men involved in the attack and
Speaker 2: also heard some shots being fired before the driver of
Speaker 2: the car was detained. But at this point they said,
Speaker 2: it is suspected that this was a terrorist attack there
Speaker 2: again in Munich. In the background of all of that,
Speaker 2: of course, you've got the ongoing discussion about what's going
Speaker 2: to go with the Hamas releasing hostages.
Speaker 4: On Saturday, they had said that Israel was.
Speaker 2: Ignoring the ceasefire deals and that they were not going
Speaker 2: to release any hostages, and that brought the comment from
Speaker 2: Trump that if they don't release everybody by noon, all
Speaker 2: hell would break loose, but that he was going to
Speaker 2: leave it up to Israel to make those decisions. Douglas
Speaker 2: Murray is a correspondent for the New York Post in
Speaker 2: the Middle East, and said, Okay, so if they don't
Speaker 2: release their hostages, what is there left to bomb?
Speaker 3: The question now with Saturday is if Iran don't if
Speaker 3: irained in proxies Hamas don't release all of the hustle,
Speaker 3: what is there to hit? And this is to me
Speaker 3: one of the great questions. I've been in Gaza plenty.
Speaker 3: There's not many targets there left, and there's.
Speaker 4: Not many places to bomb.
Speaker 3: It's like Donald Rumpsall was in two thousand and one
Speaker 3: about Afghanistan and running out of targets. There aren't many
Speaker 3: things to hit. Everyone knows where the hostages are. The
Speaker 3: Israelis know where they are, The Americans know where they are,
Speaker 3: and they know that they are being surrounded. They are
Speaker 3: surrounders as they have been by Hamas fighters, harassed terrorists.
Speaker 3: You can't strike there, But what do you do?
Speaker 4: What do you do? All right?
Speaker 2: That's the story internationally. We'll keep our eyes on coming up.
Speaker 2: A court decision yesterday that was completely unexpected. There was
Speaker 2: a judge that put on hold the Trump buyout plan
Speaker 2: for federal employees so he could look at the details
Speaker 2: of it, and then yesterday said the buyouts may proceed,
Speaker 2: and they did.
Speaker 4: We'll do a Gary and Shannon show breakdown we come back.
Speaker 1: You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
Speaker 1: AM six forty.
Speaker 2: Rain's going to be the big story throughout the course
Speaker 2: of the day today. Certain counties can expect the brunt
Speaker 2: of this storm at different times. Up to the north
Speaker 2: of US in Ventura, Santa Barbara, San Loos Obispo counties,
Speaker 2: the expectation is that it's going to be hitting earlier.
Speaker 2: Santlo's Obispo County is getting hit pretty hard already, but
Speaker 2: Santa Barbara right about now through early afternoon. The expectation
Speaker 2: for La County is for a little bit later in
Speaker 2: the afternoon, but right around drive time, Right around sort
Speaker 2: of the four o'clock to nine o'clock is when the
Speaker 2: expectation when we expect it to peak. A car attack
Speaker 2: in Munich has injured at least twenty eight people, including kids,
Speaker 2: German anti terrorism officials. An asylum seeker from Afghanistan has
Speaker 2: been arrested. He drove a car through a protest that
Speaker 2: was taking place. The Senate confirmed RFK Junior as Health
Speaker 2: and Human Services Secretary today, So he will take over
Speaker 2: a department with about a one point seven trillion dollar budget,
Speaker 2: eighty thousand employees. It regulates vaccines, It decides which prescription
Speaker 2: drugs can be sold. It provides health insurance for millions
Speaker 2: of people, and responds to breakouts of infectious diseases. That
Speaker 2: yet another cabinet member that's been confirmed, Linda McMahon, is
Speaker 2: the latest cabinet member to go under Gopher confirmation hearings.
Speaker 2: She is the choice for Education Secretary, and she told
Speaker 2: a confirmation hearing today she is prepared to enact President
Speaker 2: Trump's education vision if confirmed. But part of that includes
Speaker 2: getting rid of the Department of Education altogether at some point.
Speaker 4: So that is something that's going on in DC right now.
Speaker 2: One of the other issues that has come out is
Speaker 2: a judge, as many judges have made rulings that have
Speaker 2: kind of put speed bumps in front of President Trump.
Speaker 2: There was one big speed bump that was removed yesterday.
Speaker 2: It's time for a Gary and Shannon show breakdown.
Speaker 4: Why doesn't somebody tell me what they think is going on?
Speaker 4: Those can be hard explain this to me, Like I'm
Speaker 4: a two year old.
Speaker 1: Okay, you need a breakdown with Gary and Shannon. That so.
Speaker 2: President Trump put out a memo that said that federal
Speaker 2: employees could take a buyout about an eight month payout
Speaker 2: including benefits, if they were tired to day, and the
Speaker 2: deal was to try to cut the incredible amount of
Speaker 2: federal employees that exist. This wasn't asking questions about whether
Speaker 2: these employees were beneficial, whether they were good, whether they
Speaker 2: were bad. It was just a across the board, if
Speaker 2: you want to get out, now, we'll give you eight
Speaker 2: months pay, eight months benefits, but you got to take
Speaker 2: your keys and boom scooch. Well, there were federal unions,
Speaker 2: federal employee unions that brought a lawsuit and a district judge,
Speaker 2: Judge George O'Toole put that plan on hold because last
Speaker 2: week there was a deadline that existed, and what the
Speaker 2: judge said was, we're going to need some more time
Speaker 2: for me to look at this and to see if
Speaker 2: in fact we need if this is legal, if it
Speaker 2: would pass legal muster. The federal judge yesterday then told
Speaker 2: the administration you can go forward with the deferred resignation
Speaker 2: offer for federal employees and when he did that, seventy
Speaker 2: five thousand federal workers accepted the package. According to a
Speaker 2: spokesperson for the Office of Personnel Management, when it happened,
Speaker 2: when the judge said, Okay, we can allow this to happen,
Speaker 2: President Trump said it ends tonight, and in fact last
Speaker 2: night the program closed. The offer would allow these people
Speaker 2: to leave their jobs but be paid through like I
Speaker 2: said the end of September. The reason that the judge
Speaker 2: allowed this to happen was he said that the unions
Speaker 2: that filed suit were not directly impacted by the offer,
Speaker 2: which meant they had no case. They lacked standing, which
Speaker 2: is a term we've used a bunch of times. They
Speaker 2: didn't have the standing to bring the case. He had
Speaker 2: previously issued that temporary restraining order against the program. The
Speaker 2: seventy five thousand federal employees, by the way, who took
Speaker 2: this offer of the eight months pay and benefits is
Speaker 2: about four percent of the federal employees that would have
Speaker 2: been offered this plan. Not all of them would be
Speaker 2: potentially able to take it, since the administration did exempt
Speaker 2: some positions after they sent out the offer, but the
Speaker 2: number of people in that situation would be very low.
Speaker 2: The White House has said that the target in terms
Speaker 2: of cutting the federal workforce was somewhere between five percent
Speaker 2: and ten percent. Their plan was to get somewhere between
Speaker 2: five and ten percent. To take these these deferred resignations,
Speaker 2: the president took a step to prepare for widespread layoffs
Speaker 2: among those who remain. In fact, eligible employees initially had
Speaker 2: until the end of last Thursday night to apply. As
Speaker 2: I mentioned, the judge, of course, had put that on hold,
Speaker 2: so the Trump administration extended the deadline to just before
Speaker 2: midnight on Monday.
Speaker 4: After the pause.
Speaker 2: This was a five page ruling that came out of
Speaker 2: Judge O'Toole said he was wiping away his earlier orders
Speaker 2: that extended the deadline for federal workers to accept the
Speaker 2: administration's designated deferred resignation offer. The program was challenged I
Speaker 2: mentioned by the unions, the American Federation of Government Employees
Speaker 2: and several other unions because they argued that it was illegal,
Speaker 2: and they argued that it was going to harm them
Speaker 2: because it would divert resources to address the title wave
Speaker 2: of inquiries and counseling quests that the directive had caused.
Speaker 2: They refer to it as the Fork Directive because One
Speaker 2: of the memo lines, apparently in the email that went
Speaker 2: out to people, was the fork in the road. The
Speaker 2: judge said the harms were not sufficient to give the
Speaker 2: unions the legal right, the standing to bring the lawsuit
Speaker 2: in the first place. So lawyers for the American Federation
Speaker 2: Governor Employees, the Big Union are figuring this out. They're
Speaker 2: talking about their next steps. They obviously could continue farther
Speaker 2: up the chain in terms of their judicial recourse in
Speaker 2: this case. The White House Press Secretary yesterday praised the
Speaker 2: ruling by the judge. She suggested some judges hearing cases
Speaker 2: pending against the Trump administration were judicial activists. It's kind
Speaker 2: of funny how once the thing goes their way, they're
Speaker 2: not claiming that this is judicial activism, but if it
Speaker 2: goes against them, then it must be judicial activism. You
Speaker 2: can't have it both ways. But the unions have been
Speaker 2: making a lot of emergency claims. They've been filing lawsuit
Speaker 2: after lawsuit to try to stop DOGE, this Department of
Speaker 2: Government efficiency Elon Musk's group, because of privacy issues, because
Speaker 2: of employment law issues, and other issues. And the judge
Speaker 2: noted in his ruling that the court there in DC
Speaker 2: the District Court has already held that unions cannot go
Speaker 2: straight to federal district court on a lot of matters
Speaker 2: under the Federal Labor Relations Authority. So they're going to
Speaker 2: have to find the other lane, basically legal lane, to
Speaker 2: challenge all of this. Now, speaking of Doze, President Trump
Speaker 2: is expected to hold a news conference. It's supposed to
Speaker 2: be at the top of the hour. We know that
Speaker 2: he is hosting Indian Prime Minister Modi at the White
Speaker 2: House later today, much later.
Speaker 4: In the afternoon.
Speaker 2: The expectation, though, is that Trump is going to speak
Speaker 2: at about ten o'clock today our time about some of
Speaker 2: the more specific things that Elon Musk and this Department
Speaker 2: of Government Efficiency have uncovered.
Speaker 4: They have been wrong in the past.
Speaker 2: In fact, Elon Musk, in that news conference with his
Speaker 2: kid in the Oval office, has said they're gonna get
Speaker 2: things wrong, but that they will do everything to fix
Speaker 2: those wrong things as quickly as possible. So when that happens,
Speaker 2: we'll be listening to listening in on some of it.
Speaker 2: We haven't talked much about the Idaho murders in a while.
Speaker 2: This is Brian Koberger, the suspect in the quadruple murder
Speaker 2: of those college students over at the University of Idaho.
Speaker 2: There is a new piece of DNA evidence that his
Speaker 2: attorneys say exonerates him. Maybe we'll explain what this new
Speaker 2: DNA evidence is we come back.
Speaker 1: You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
Speaker 1: AM six forty.
Speaker 2: Another seismic hotspot getting attention from scientists is signed that
Speaker 2: a volcano may be ready to erupt. Mount Spur, about
Speaker 2: seventy five miles west of Anchorage, Alaska, has seen what
Speaker 2: they referred to as volcanic unrest for the last ten months,
Speaker 2: and they've seen an increasing number of earthquakes in the
Speaker 2: last couple of years. The Alaska Volcano Observatory says that
Speaker 2: that volcanic unrest suggests that an eruption is possible.
Speaker 4: Obviously, rain is going to be a big deal through
Speaker 4: the day today.
Speaker 2: There are a bunch of evacuation warnings, most of them
Speaker 2: issued for the recent burn areas, so if you're in
Speaker 2: those areas, just pay attention. They expect the hardest rain
Speaker 2: in La County to be coming in sometime they say,
Speaker 2: between say four o'clock and nine o'clock this evening, So
Speaker 2: that's when we're going to be keeping our eyes on
Speaker 2: most of the potential for mudslides. A Moss says it's
Speaker 2: going to release the next group of three Israeli hostages
Speaker 2: as planned. That would pave the way toward resolving a
Speaker 2: pretty big dispute over the ceasefire and the Gaza strip.
Speaker 2: Hamas had originally said they were going to delay the
Speaker 2: next release of Israeli hostages because they accused Israel of
Speaker 2: not meeting its obligations to allow intents and shelters, among
Speaker 2: some other alleged violations of the truce. Israel said it
Speaker 2: will go right back to fighting Hamas if those hostages
Speaker 2: are not freed as scheduled. We've talked many times about
Speaker 2: the Idaho quadruple murders the University of Idaho, Madison Mogan,
Speaker 2: Kaylei gonzolvz Xanaker Noodle, and Ethan Chapin, all between twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one years old, and the heroin addict turned criminology
Speaker 2: student from Washington State who was accused of killing them,
Speaker 2: Brian Coberger.
Speaker 4: We've talked.
Speaker 2: Of course, one of the reasons that they specifically found
Speaker 2: him as the suspect was this drop of DNA that
Speaker 2: was discovered on a knife sheath laying adjacent to the
Speaker 2: bloodied body of one of the victims.
Speaker 4: In this case, it was Madison Mogan.
Speaker 2: The technicians at the FBI Crime Lab in Quantico, Virginia
Speaker 2: were able to upload this part article of DNA to
Speaker 2: a genetic database led them to a in At this
Speaker 2: point we still don't know, but a member of the
Speaker 2: Coburger family who shared their DNA information with one of
Speaker 2: those online ancestry websites, the genetic genealogy process that we've
Speaker 2: talked about many times solving a bunch of cold cases,
Speaker 2: they found somebody who matched portions of the DNA and
Speaker 2: then recreated the family tree to point to Brian Coberger,
Speaker 2: a guy who not only lived close but has very
Speaker 2: little in way of an alibi for the night of
Speaker 2: the murders at this case. At this point, Howard Bloom,
Speaker 2: an author that we spoke to who's already written about
Speaker 2: this murder and believes that Brian Coburger is the is
Speaker 2: the person who did it. He said that that piece
Speaker 2: of DNA, the crux of this case, is smaller than
Speaker 2: a speck of floating dust. That's how that's how tiny
Speaker 2: this little speck of DNA was on this knife sheath
Speaker 2: that they found under the body of one of the women.
Speaker 2: Now the defense is saying they have proof that it
Speaker 2: wasn't him, and their proof is two unidentified male blood
Speaker 2: samples also at that house. One was on a handrail
Speaker 2: at the house and one was on a glove outside
Speaker 2: the house, both of them recovered by investigators after the
Speaker 2: stabbing deaths. That's not enough to say that someone else
Speaker 2: was there and did it, but it is enough for
Speaker 2: a defense attorney to throw it against the wall and
Speaker 2: see what sticks and suggest somehow that investigators in Idaho
Speaker 2: didn't do their due diligence. They never investigated to find
Speaker 2: out who those other blood samples belonged to. I mean,
Speaker 2: they're just throwing it at the wall at this point.
Speaker 2: And in fact, this week when they went before the judge,
Speaker 2: they were shot down by the judge pretty hard. The
Speaker 2: attorney said that detectives had misled the magistrate in the
Speaker 2: case with their probable cause affidavit by leaving out the
Speaker 2: details about the other blood that was found. So the
Speaker 2: judge is trying to drill down in the connection between
Speaker 2: the suspect and the DNA that was found under Maddie's body,
Speaker 2: And the judge says, how does that, even if they
Speaker 2: tell us, how, even if it's disclosed, preclude of finding
Speaker 2: a probable cause When there's a DNA match between the
Speaker 2: DNA on the sheath on that knife sheath and Brian Coberger,
Speaker 2: isn't that probable cause? Every day and twice on Sunday
Speaker 2: that again, this is the judge talking to the defense attorneys.
Speaker 2: What does a knife sheath at a scene mean? Said
Speaker 2: the defense attorney. That's going to be the ultimate question. Well,
Speaker 2: when four people are stabbed to death, the knife sheath
Speaker 2: usually means that was the sheath that held the murder weapon.
Speaker 4: And the judge said as much.
Speaker 2: The judge said, if you're killed by a knife, it
Speaker 2: probably means a lot. Probable cause is not a proof
Speaker 2: beyond a reasonable doubt standard. It's a probable cause to
Speaker 2: think that this person might have done it. And the
Speaker 2: judge went on to say, I'm not sure how that
Speaker 2: direct DNA connection to a sheath found on or near
Speaker 2: one of the victims doesn't close the book on anything
Speaker 2: on probable cause. After that, I mentioned Howard Bloom, the
Speaker 2: guy wrote the book. We talked to him on this show.
Speaker 2: He's now worried that this guy might get off, that
Speaker 2: the guy might walk. He said, over two and a
Speaker 2: half years, he spent weeks in that town where the
Speaker 2: students were killed. He's talked to all the law enforcement,
Speaker 2: all the witnesses, everybody around, and he says, I am
Speaker 2: absolutely convinced that Coburger is guilty of the murders. But
Speaker 2: his opinion, I mean, but his opinion doesn't mean very
Speaker 2: much because it's the judge and the jury that get
Speaker 2: to decide this. And he said, several stunning courtroom revelations
Speaker 2: have left me thinking about the previously unthinkable that this
Speaker 2: guy might walk, And it could be because of simple
Speaker 2: things like weird random blood samples that existed on a
Speaker 2: handrail and on a glove outside the house. That might
Speaker 2: be what gets him to walk off of this crime.
Speaker 2: Up next, President Trump is expected old a news conference
Speaker 2: from the White House. When he starts, we'll get into that,
Speaker 2: but we're going to be talking a little bit about
Speaker 2: what Elon Musk has said about the deletion of entire
Speaker 2: federal agencies. Oh and this limestone, mind where we keep files.
Speaker 2: It's not fake, it's a real thing, and it's literally
Speaker 2: out of the fifties.
Speaker 4: That's all coming up.
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