Speaker 1: Oh, oh, guess what day it is. Guess what day
Speaker 1: it is?
Speaker 2: Huh, anybody, it's hump Day.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, we're gonna go two for thirteen in
Speaker 3: the first nine minutes, sometimes in the three point line
Speaker 3: when it is shots that we're earning, and we're gonna
Speaker 3: keep shooting. It's a beautiful way to play. And you
Speaker 3: know what BBN is gonna learn is they're gonna just
Speaker 3: be like, Okay, this is really hard right now, but
Speaker 3: it's coming. Like it's coming.
Speaker 4: That's Mark Pope reassuring Kentucky fans that, yeah, even though
Speaker 4: the threes might not be falling at the beginning of
Speaker 4: a game, you don't need to panic. Just get used
Speaker 4: to it, because you're gonna see, as he promised, you're
Speaker 4: gonna see this Kentucky team chuck up a lot of threes,
Speaker 4: and they're gonna be times when they don't go down.
Speaker 4: But just hang with him, he says, and for the
Speaker 4: most part, all will be well. And as we welcome
Speaker 4: you to this Hump Day edition of The Big lew Insider,
Speaker 4: Dick abro with you on a Wednesday. Now, the exhibitions
Speaker 4: are over and it begins for real week for both
Speaker 4: the men and the women, and we'll talk a lot
Speaker 4: of Kentucky basketball tonight. We'll also talk with our unforgettable
Speaker 4: guard Sean Woods. He will join us coming up at
Speaker 4: the bottom of this hour. Coming up an hour number two,
Speaker 4: we're gonna meet with doctor Ben Kibler. He's an old friend,
Speaker 4: he's been on the show before and I wanted to
Speaker 4: talk to him as we're in the middle of the
Speaker 4: World Series about once again, Tommy John's surgery. Now seems
Speaker 4: like the real answer for any pitcher who wants to
Speaker 4: add two or three miles to the priority was fastball.
Speaker 4: And there was a story on CBS Sunday Morning the
Speaker 4: other day about a young guy who threw out his arm.
Speaker 4: He's coming back, he believes fully he'll be a major
Speaker 4: leaguer better than ever with Tommy John surgery. But there's
Speaker 4: so much more to it than that, because we're also
Speaker 4: talking about UK baseball as the Wildcats wrapped up the
Speaker 4: fall portion of their schedule their season, So we'll talk
Speaker 4: about doctor Kert, talk to doctor Kibler, and then in
Speaker 4: hour number two is well Weston buer chief Gary Moore.
Speaker 4: But I need to talk about these Wildcats who came
Speaker 4: out last night and they were cold. We saw that
Speaker 4: and missed eleven of their first thirteen, and then they
Speaker 4: got hot. Looked like a different team.
Speaker 1: Didn't they.
Speaker 4: Jackson Robinson hid eight of them, all twenty four of
Speaker 4: his points coming from beyond the arc. What a smooth stroke.
Speaker 4: And he was in the interview room as Mark Pope
Speaker 4: walked by to come out to Tom Leech, and he
Speaker 4: actually did. Pope chimed in with a question among the reporters, Jacks, were.
Speaker 3: You frustrated you only got twelve threes off tonight?
Speaker 1: No, I'm not got here, coach. Well, he had the
Speaker 1: ready answer, didn't they know?
Speaker 4: I'm not frustrated that I only got off twelve threes.
Speaker 4: Show one two pointer. All the rest were three pointers.
Speaker 4: And his teammates, of course, did the same thing. They
Speaker 4: took three when they had him, some of them took
Speaker 4: threes when they didn't have them, And Pope talked about
Speaker 4: that as well.
Speaker 1: It was interesting. He used some terms.
Speaker 4: Like belligerent and karma and things like that. But the
Speaker 4: myss threes are going to be a part of it
Speaker 4: because you don't have to hit fifty or sixty percent
Speaker 4: to make them effective. So Pope basically said to Tom
Speaker 4: Leach on the post game show and of the fans
Speaker 4: assembled and the fans listening, get ready because.
Speaker 3: Here they come, all got nervous, right, You're like, are
Speaker 3: they really gonna keep shooting these threes? Man, they missed nine?
Speaker 1: I think you are.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be dramatic.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you that there's been a lot of drama.
Speaker 1: Don't miss a game.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be really dramatic.
Speaker 2: I can't wait.
Speaker 3: I didn't love us in the first half shooting because guys,
Speaker 3: we could have a long, long conversation about this. We
Speaker 3: don't have time for it tonight, but we were You know,
Speaker 3: this happens all the time. The teams we made twenty
Speaker 3: one last game and shots fifty percent, and you get
Speaker 3: tricked and be like, wow, if I just throw the
Speaker 3: ball up in there, it's going to go through the hoop,
Speaker 3: And don't really need to earn them the way we
Speaker 3: earn them, And we start out the game a little
Speaker 3: bit belligerent, which we're going to be in that space
Speaker 3: sometimes shooting the.
Speaker 1: Ball where we weren't earning them. We weren't earning.
Speaker 3: Them for each other.
Speaker 2: The game.
Speaker 3: The game rewards you when you play it correctly.
Speaker 1: And when you earn.
Speaker 3: Shots for your teammate, and we kind of lost a
Speaker 3: little of that vibe and there are a bunch of
Speaker 3: actually real reasons for that.
Speaker 4: Well to his comment at the very beginning, y'all got nervous,
Speaker 4: Yeah they did. You could feel the twittering and no
Speaker 4: pun intended in the Rupp Arena crowd. As the three
Speaker 4: didn't drop, you could hear the groans, but it was
Speaker 4: also this palpable feeling of nervousness among Kentucky fans. But
Speaker 4: boy did debt change when the threes began to drop.
Speaker 4: It wasn't a pretty game, but it gave the coaching
Speaker 4: staff a lot to work with. And Pope said something
Speaker 4: that the prior head coach used to say all the time, basically,
Speaker 4: I'm condensing it, but we needed a game like this
Speaker 4: to learn. Every coach says that every coach feels that way.
Speaker 1: Pope is no different.
Speaker 3: It was a I'm really proud of our guys. It
Speaker 3: was actually a very important night for us because we
Speaker 3: had some opportunities where we didn't quite feel right on
Speaker 3: the court, and we had some weird rotations, some weird
Speaker 3: lineups from are going down early. You know, we got
Speaker 3: us a little weird. We had some weird fatigue on
Speaker 3: the floor, and so all of that led ourselves to
Speaker 3: be in a situation where we kind of had to
Speaker 3: fix things and we came to a timeout, guys looking
Speaker 3: around like, man, it doesn't feel quite right. And we
Speaker 3: needed that so much. It was actually a real gift
Speaker 3: playing against a terrific team.
Speaker 4: In fact, it was a Minnesota State man Cato team
Speaker 4: that had to score twenty two twenty I think after
Speaker 4: the second TV timeout, maybe early in the game, and
Speaker 4: then the Wildcats going to run. The threes begin to fall,
Speaker 4: and now you see what Kentucky will be. Well, I
Speaker 4: don't care there when the shots go down up tempo
Speaker 4: transition offense from your defense, which is why Pope said,
Speaker 4: don't worry if the shots don't go down right away,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: We're gonna be two for eleven. Sometimes that doesn't phase
Speaker 3: me at all. It's gonna make you all nervous, but
Speaker 3: doesn't phase me. The thing that was concerned to me
Speaker 3: was the shots that we were taking weren't the threes
Speaker 3: that we love. And then we didn't have our normal
Speaker 3: presence on the offensive glass.
Speaker 4: And that is where you need to worry because This
Speaker 4: is not an entirely huge, big, physical, banging Kentucky team.
Speaker 4: And if you are missing your three point shots, it's
Speaker 4: essentially you know, one and done the guys who've got
Speaker 4: it going the other way. So you've got to rebound.
Speaker 4: You know, you've got to keep the other guys off
Speaker 4: the glass. Guards have to rebound. Kentucky only won the
Speaker 4: Battle of the boards thirty nine, the thirty seven and
Speaker 4: the leading rebounder now again, Amari Williams, was out injured,
Speaker 4: and Pope said he did know at that point last night,
Speaker 4: of course what the extent of the injury was. But
Speaker 4: minus Williams, who had two rebounds in three minutes, Jackson
Speaker 4: Robinson led Kentucky with six rebounds, and yeah, everybody got out.
Speaker 4: Everybody got to play, at least with a couple of exceptions.
Speaker 4: Seventeen minutes, Almanor had five rebounds. In nineteen minutes, Lamont
Speaker 4: Butler had five assists and three steals, stuffing the statuet.
Speaker 4: But rebounds will be an issue for this team. If
Speaker 4: you're going to miss, yeah, go ahead and shoot your threes,
Speaker 4: but if you miss it, go get it. So many
Speaker 4: other things that the Wildcats did well, fast break points
Speaker 4: thirty five and held Minnesota State, which is not known
Speaker 4: as a fast breaking team, to just eight and Wildcats
Speaker 4: hit for the game d four percent thirty seven to
Speaker 4: sixty nine. It what twenty four of thirty two from
Speaker 4: two point land. And what I find interesting is, and
Speaker 4: they did this last night, is when they pass up
Speaker 4: what looks like a pretty good shot for two for
Speaker 4: a three pointer, and that's what they do. You know,
Speaker 4: they'll make that extra pass and try to get the three.
Speaker 4: But if you do that and you miss, you better
Speaker 4: go get it. So it's going to be interesting to
Speaker 4: see how that plays out whenever Williams gets back Kentucky
Speaker 4: in the first I think after the first TV timeout,
Speaker 4: which was the first four minutes plus at five turnovers,
Speaker 4: I tweeted about this last night. Five turnovers. That was
Speaker 4: one of the reasons, the biggest reason, frankly besides the missus,
Speaker 4: that Minnesota State was able to hang with the Wildcats.
Speaker 4: But from that point forward, three more turnovers, only three,
Speaker 4: which I find incredible given the pace that they play at.
Speaker 4: And even better than that, twenty eight assists on thirty
Speaker 4: seven made baskets. That's incredible. Won't always be that great,
Speaker 4: but that's pretty impressive. During his postgame show, Pope showed
Speaker 4: off the Devin Booker Nike shoe that he was wearing,
Speaker 4: and he told the crowd something he already knew about
Speaker 4: Devin Booker, but he brought it home because it's something
Speaker 4: he from Afar had noticed and kept in the back
Speaker 4: of his mind about the former Wildcat.
Speaker 3: Think about Devin Booker, I tell his story all the time. Okay,
Speaker 3: Devin book here came here and played on one of
Speaker 3: the all time greatest teams to ever play at the
Speaker 3: University of Kentucky, came in as a superstar player, never
Speaker 3: started one game his entire career at the University Kentucky
Speaker 3: twenty minutes game, scored ten points a game, shot forty
Speaker 3: two percent for the three point line, and had one
Speaker 3: of the epic seasons ever in the history Kentucky, and
Speaker 3: now is on his way to probably win an MVP
Speaker 3: this year and next year in the NBA is But
Speaker 3: the top five guy in the league for the last
Speaker 3: couple years is just extraordinary representative of the NBA and
Speaker 3: Kentucky and we had to wear our guys suit man.
Speaker 3: Come on, maybe what.
Speaker 4: Booker's been in the NBA now with eight or nine
Speaker 4: years and has developed into one of the best players
Speaker 4: in the world. Is high career high seventy. But I'll
Speaker 4: always remember him being on the bench when the Wildcats
Speaker 4: couldn't get a shot against Wisconsin in the Final four.
Speaker 4: Three straight times Kentucky was called for shot clock violation,
Speaker 4: couldn't get off a shot. Devin Booker on the bench again.
Speaker 4: We'll never forget that. So what's now? What's next for
Speaker 4: the Wildcats? Pope talked about that as you wrap things
Speaker 4: up every.
Speaker 3: Day, we're just starving to find it every possible. Weity
Speaker 3: got to get better. We were hoping from these two
Speaker 3: exhibitions we get some data. We got some great data
Speaker 3: and experience tonight and so now it's on to you know,
Speaker 3: it's for real. So don't miss Monday. Guys, come here
Speaker 3: Monday and let's go to war the way that BBN does.
Speaker 2: We beat you.
Speaker 3: Guys here, come, let's come get this done and then
Speaker 3: we'll go vote Tuesday, and we'll be back in here
Speaker 3: Friday night against buck Nell. And it's on.
Speaker 1: It is on, coming up on Monday.
Speaker 4: It is the regular season as a Wildcat stick on
Speaker 4: Wright State seven o'clock tip time and then the following
Speaker 4: game is actually Saturday. I think he said Friday, but
Speaker 4: it's Saturday, and the Cats will play host to buck Nell.
Speaker 4: The women minus exhibition games open play on Monday. Well,
Speaker 4: I don't know why they're scheduled like this. The women
Speaker 4: play at five, the men play at seven. If you're
Speaker 4: home watching TV, then yeah, you're good. You're going to
Speaker 4: see the women's game on SEC Plus and the men
Speaker 4: on the SEC Network. But you know, there might be
Speaker 4: people who want to go to both games, and some
Speaker 4: will probably try. But anyway, it's just an odd way
Speaker 4: to schedule. But they play at five o'clock at Historic
Speaker 4: Memorial Coliseum and get things started under Kenny Brooks.
Speaker 1: Up next, we're.
Speaker 4: Going to talk about the World Series, but also the
Speaker 4: hideous statue of Dwayne Wade. Charles Barkley, Sir Charles the
Speaker 4: chuck Wagon has weighed in. Yes, of course he has.
Speaker 4: You can imagine what he has to say. We'll have
Speaker 4: it for you next on six thirty WLAP Welcome back
Speaker 4: to the Big Blue Cider. Coming up in just a
Speaker 4: few minutes, Unforgettable Guard to Shawan Woods. A little bit
Speaker 4: later on our West End Bureau Chief Gary Moore will join.
Speaker 1: Us much to talk about when it comes.
Speaker 4: To the World Series, and of course, if you're a
Speaker 4: Yankees fan, you're still alive.
Speaker 1: But how about the numbers for the Dodgers in Japan.
Speaker 4: CNN did a big story, and this is fairly obvious
Speaker 4: that you're going to get a lot of viewers in
Speaker 4: Japan of the La Dodgers, but I didn't know that
Speaker 4: I expected this many. Fifteen point nine million for last
Speaker 4: night's game, a Yankees win, of course, but fifteen point
Speaker 4: nine million in just about all the games have been
Speaker 4: rated like that in Japan because essentially because of Showhey,
Speaker 4: this isn't a country with approximately one hundred and twenty
Speaker 4: four and a half million people. The US has nearly
Speaker 4: three times that many. But of course you've got so
Speaker 4: much national pride happening right now in Japan, and international
Speaker 4: baseball is paying off. If you're wondering why pro leagues
Speaker 4: are branching out, the NFL's playing overseas, the NBA is
Speaker 4: playing overseas, and now Baseball for years has signed players
Speaker 4: from foreign countries, and it's it's adding up for the
Speaker 4: US and for Major League Baseball. And I'm not entirely
Speaker 4: certain how it creates dollars in sixes for teams. But
Speaker 4: I can tell you this that the city of Los Angeles,
Speaker 4: the tourism, it's enormous. Now. A Japanese travel agency told
Speaker 4: CNN it was booking up to two hundred clients from
Speaker 4: Japan for each Dodgers home game this season. Dodgers jumped
Speaker 4: on the phenomenon by adding twelve new Japanese sponsors. So
Speaker 4: that's one way of making the dollars and cents work.
Speaker 4: Japanese language, stadium tours, new menu items designed for Japanese
Speaker 4: fans for the fan experience. Look, you're not going to
Speaker 4: get that at every Major League ballpark, but on the
Speaker 4: West Coast better believe it, maybe even Texas and Colorado
Speaker 4: and Arizona. Major League baseball in general has shown a
Speaker 4: two hundred and twenty five percent increase in social media engagement,
Speaker 4: with views across various platforms rising by two hundred and
Speaker 4: twenty nine percent. So if you think there's no interest
Speaker 4: in baseball, you're looking in the wrong direction. And it's
Speaker 4: not just showhy. The Dodgers signed Yoshinobu Yamamoto last offseason
Speaker 4: twelve year deal three hundred and twenty five million an
Speaker 4: He won game two through six and a third innings
Speaker 4: against the Yankees, gave up just one hit, and that
Speaker 4: cranked things up in Japan.
Speaker 1: You better believe it.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, we may be looking at a sport that
Speaker 4: is just kind of fading in America among Americans, but
Speaker 4: worldwide it's happening.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: Last night's game will be remembered for a number of things,
Speaker 4: but probably because of the two idiots and right field
Speaker 4: who tried to stealing out from the Dodgers and Mookie Best.
Speaker 4: Did you see this twisting foul ball? Mooki Best goes
Speaker 4: down the line, leaps with his glove over the wall,
Speaker 4: catches a foul ball for an out. Two fans grab him,
Speaker 4: one grabs his wrist, the other grabs the glove and
Speaker 4: prize the ball out of the mitt, and of course
Speaker 4: it immediately is ruled an out. Umpire running down the line,
Speaker 4: one hand grabbing the other, signifying interference fan interference, and
Speaker 4: these two guys are kicked out of the ballpark. But
Speaker 4: you know what, the Yankees have said, they'll be allowed
Speaker 4: to come back.
Speaker 1: There'll be no lifetime ban. No.
Speaker 4: Now you wonder had they and you know, and again
Speaker 4: they try to steal it out but didn't. But had
Speaker 4: they stolen it out from the Yankees, you gotta wonder. Well,
Speaker 4: they have been banned forever in Yankee Stadium. And by
Speaker 4: the way, way, this is also a fan base, and
Speaker 4: this is one guy, but it reflects so poorly on
Speaker 4: the entire fan base. There was the moment during the
Speaker 4: game that everything stopped on TV and anybody you wished
Speaker 4: to grabbed a sign and wrote down the name of
Speaker 4: a cancer victim or patient, and there was a long
Speaker 4: pause on television as America saw fans, players, broadcasters, camera
Speaker 4: operators holding up those signs. I've done it at UK
Speaker 4: games in honor of my late cousin. And during this moment,
Speaker 4: some Yankee fans screams, f you, Freddie Freeman, and yeah,
Speaker 4: I'd got out on TV. And somebody tweeted it and said,
Speaker 4: worse fans in baseball. So there you go, one guy
Speaker 4: reflecting on million. It's unfortunate, but it happened. One more
Speaker 4: baseball note. If you're a white Sox fan, I don't
Speaker 4: know if it matters, but will Vennable as your new manager?
Speaker 4: They've had forty four managers in franchise history. That says
Speaker 4: a lot, but at one point he was a special
Speaker 4: assistant to theo Epstein when they were with the Cubs,
Speaker 4: was a first base coach for the Cubs, was their
Speaker 4: third base coach, bench coach for the Red Sox, and
Speaker 4: was the associate manager to Bruce Boshi with the Rangers
Speaker 4: for the last couple of years and helped the Rangers
Speaker 4: win a World Series in twenty three.
Speaker 1: So he's got.
Speaker 4: Some some rep he's got some resume. Juice.
Speaker 1: Don't know if it's going to help the White Sox
Speaker 1: in the NBA.
Speaker 4: Last night, I always, of course check and see what
Speaker 4: Charles Barkley's up to, and I knew he would have
Speaker 4: a comment because I got to look at the Dwayne
Speaker 4: Wade statue.
Speaker 1: Have you seen this monstrosity?
Speaker 4: I'm stunned, and I've got to think that I would
Speaker 4: least hope, but maybe maybe this is the answer. Maybe
Speaker 4: nobody saw it while it was being created. And the
Speaker 4: face it looks like an alien I don't know any
Speaker 4: other or like a cartoon.
Speaker 1: I don't know any other way to describe it.
Speaker 4: Now. On TNT's postgame show or pregame last night, they
Speaker 4: talked about it, and Kenny the Jet Smith said it was,
Speaker 4: and he's trying to be polite and kind. It's an
Speaker 4: animated moment, he kept saying, And yes, it was, so
Speaker 4: what don't pick that moment to capture for posterity forever? Ostensibly,
Speaker 4: Dwayne Wade outside the arena in Miami, pick a moment
Speaker 4: where his face is not con horn it so he
Speaker 4: looks like himself.
Speaker 1: But they didn't.
Speaker 4: And Charles Barkley weigh in, as you knew you would.
Speaker 1: But obviously a great a great honor for d Wait, that's.
Speaker 5: A great honor.
Speaker 2: But they got to take that thing down.
Speaker 1: Animated, not anime.
Speaker 6: You made an animated face, and then they made a bronche.
Speaker 1: You made an ugly statue.
Speaker 5: That's what it would look like. That thing's awful.
Speaker 2: It's not awful.
Speaker 6: Look he's making it. He's making an animated face. A
Speaker 6: moment that was after he saw the statue right there,
Speaker 6: that's the face he made.
Speaker 1: One of the best, one of the best reactions I
Speaker 1: saw was that.
Speaker 6: Look if you showed that to a thousand people and
Speaker 6: didn't say who had their who just got a statue?
Speaker 1: Would you ever say, oh, yeah, that's say.
Speaker 6: The way Waite making an animated face, you know, the
Speaker 6: statue was so bad they had to put all his
Speaker 6: status behind us.
Speaker 5: So you know who it was I got.
Speaker 6: He shout out to the statue maker. Man, Yeah, put
Speaker 6: all that time and I'm kill get your education next time.
Speaker 4: All I will say is this, Dwayne Wade must have
Speaker 4: signed off on it. If he's okay with it, I'm
Speaker 4: okay with it. But his statues go, that's one of
Speaker 4: the worst I've seen. Haven't seen them all, but that's
Speaker 4: one of the worst I've seen all right. Coming up
Speaker 4: next Sean Woods, the Unforgettable Guard. We'll talk about last
Speaker 4: night's Kentucky basketball game, but also we'll listen back to
Speaker 4: some comments from a former SEC coach that you could
Speaker 4: apply to just about every sport and just about every
Speaker 4: coach in the game. Today here on the Big Blue
Speaker 4: Sider six thirty w l A P.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Big Blue Sider.
Speaker 4: It is Wednesday, which means we visit with our unforgettable guard,
Speaker 4: Sean Woods. His jersey hangs in the rafters of Rupp
Speaker 4: and coach. Before I talk about Kentucky last night, I
Speaker 4: need to share a SoundBite You've already heard it, and
Speaker 4: I'll drop it in here from Conzo Martin as he
Speaker 4: talked about and this is kind of.
Speaker 1: An old one.
Speaker 4: I think he was still in MISSOI when he said it,
Speaker 4: but it popped up on social media talking about how
Speaker 4: we're stealing the struggle of our kids.
Speaker 5: For me, I can only speak in my situation growing up.
Speaker 5: When I called home, it's just my mom was grateful
Speaker 5: for me to have an opportunity to get a college degree.
Speaker 5: The basketball part she never really talked about. The basketball
Speaker 5: part is like, Okay, my son is happy. But it
Speaker 5: wasn't like how many minutes are you getting? There was
Speaker 5: never anything like that. And I was never a god
Speaker 5: it's gonna, you know, bail out or give anything like
Speaker 5: that because I couldn't my high school because what I'm
Speaker 5: gonna call him say, I'm not playing. I mean that
Speaker 5: has nothing to do with me. I mean that's what
Speaker 5: he say. I mean, you know what to do. And
Speaker 5: so when you have that, Now, if you're being mistreated,
Speaker 5: that's one thing. But if it's just about the basketball piece,
Speaker 5: I say to parents all the time, let him go
Speaker 5: through that, because he'll grow in that. Whatever that is,
Speaker 5: he'll grow in it. That's a lesson. If you allow
Speaker 5: me to continue to jump and make moves that will
Speaker 5: never grow. And then all of a sudden they become fathers,
Speaker 5: husbands and parents. They have some tough lessons, but they
Speaker 5: didn't get equipped to deal with those lessons at fifteen, sixteen,
Speaker 5: seventeen eighteen. That was struggling in life.
Speaker 1: Conzo is now at Missouri State.
Speaker 4: But as I played this for you before we went
Speaker 4: on the air, you were kind of chuckling because you've
Speaker 4: you've heard it from him before.
Speaker 1: But you've also said this before. And we sound like.
Speaker 4: A bunch of old guys, don't we when we talk
Speaker 4: about stealing the.
Speaker 1: Struggle from our kids.
Speaker 4: But and you want to make you you're a father
Speaker 4: as well as a coach. You want to make life
Speaker 4: better for your kids. But as a coach, how do
Speaker 4: you balance that with knowing they need to learn difficult lessons.
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, as a coach, you're going to
Speaker 2: go through, like you know, some tough lessons within your
Speaker 2: in your in your your young life. You know you
Speaker 2: can't you know you can't run away from it. You know,
Speaker 2: problems happen, you know, girlfriend school, Being an athlete, you're
Speaker 2: going to have trials and tribulations. You know, that's what
Speaker 2: makes you tougher, that's what makes you go through things.
Speaker 2: Because we all want to be a champion, we all
Speaker 2: want to be successful. But in the midst of that,
Speaker 2: you got to go through something, you know, and shoot,
Speaker 2: I'm going through something right now, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So you know, but it's it's called life. And you
Speaker 2: can't substitute things that that that occur that bodes you
Speaker 2: as a person throughout your lifetime. And nowadays we are
Speaker 2: trying to or I'm not saying we society has allowed
Speaker 2: kids to bypass some type of struggle to enhance their
Speaker 2: growth as individuals, and it's started to touch the athletic
Speaker 2: world and we've seen it verbatim right now with you
Speaker 2: know how easy it is to transfers, you know how
Speaker 2: easy it is to make money when you're not supposed
Speaker 2: to be not supposed to be quote unquote a professional.
Speaker 2: You know, life has become much easier. Yeah, I'm a
Speaker 2: parent too. You know. Did I want my son to
Speaker 2: have a better life than me growing up? Yeah, but
Speaker 2: there still has to be some sort of discipline, some
Speaker 2: sort of struggle in order for them to have growth
Speaker 2: in their life. And you know, society for whatever reason
Speaker 2: is allowing us to allowing us to bypass this. And
Speaker 2: it's not good because I know I'm rambling, but there's
Speaker 2: such a gap now between you and me and young
Speaker 2: people anymore. And it's become evident now you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. You know what happened to constructive criticism, what
Speaker 2: happened to discipline? What happened to telling the truth? For
Speaker 2: that matter? You know, did the truth hurt you and
Speaker 2: me growing up? Sure did, but it made us. Now
Speaker 2: I'm scared because these kids look at you now. When
Speaker 2: you do present these type of scenarios to them, they fold,
Speaker 2: they run, And the sad part about it is their
Speaker 2: parents know better, but their parents aren't doing better in
Speaker 2: sustaining them and making them go through something you.
Speaker 4: Played for that you played for Rick Patino, And I've
Speaker 4: heard stories from you, have heard stories from Cameron Mills
Speaker 4: just about just the way he treated you guys.
Speaker 1: And I remember one after you got out of school,
Speaker 1: you said, no.
Speaker 4: One's ever going to talk to me that way again.
Speaker 4: But you're tough on your players, but you were also successful.
Speaker 4: But can you mentioned discipline? Can you not have discipline
Speaker 4: without the aggressive for lack of a better term, style
Speaker 4: of coaching of a Rick Patino, because not everybody coaches
Speaker 4: that way, but a lot of different coaches have had success.
Speaker 2: Well, here's the deal. Aggressive and telling the truth. Aggressive
Speaker 2: and not allowing the same mistakes to happen over and
Speaker 2: over again. Aggressive and holding kids accountable to paying attention
Speaker 2: to detail, telling them the truth, not allowing them to
Speaker 2: run away from situations. You know, that's what we call aggressiveness.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Nowadays, you're walking on eggshell's
Speaker 2: coaching kids anymore, because one, you don't want them to leave,
Speaker 2: because you need their talents too. You know, I saw
Speaker 2: something on TV the other day. Can you coach a
Speaker 2: kid that's mad at you? You know what I'm saying? Yeah,
Speaker 2: coach a kid that's mad at you? I don't know anymore?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I really don't, because they
Speaker 2: quit so much that they're mad that you know, you know,
Speaker 2: they're gonna stop, They're gonna you know, call their mom,
Speaker 2: They're going to call their dad. You know, coaches on
Speaker 2: me today, I'm sick of this. You know, he's always
Speaker 2: on me about this and that. Well if he's always
Speaker 2: on you about that same stuff, well why don't you
Speaker 2: change it.
Speaker 1: You reason. There's a reason he's on you every day exactly.
Speaker 2: And if he wasn't on you, that means he didn't care.
Speaker 2: Because if he didn't care, he wouldn't waste his time
Speaker 2: and effort getting his blood pressure up going through the
Speaker 2: same things day in and day out. Who's the dummy?
Speaker 2: The coach is the dummy. You want to know why
Speaker 2: and be the same person and what they say about
Speaker 2: in the same person. A person does things over and
Speaker 2: over again, it expects a different results. Well, we're the.
Speaker 1: Dummies, right, that's true.
Speaker 4: Uh, you know, And and the sports world is full
Speaker 4: of stories too about people who have been successful but
Speaker 4: wanted to quit called home and mom or dad said no, no,
Speaker 4: you're not coming home. You know, you're staying where you are.
Speaker 4: Toby Smith was one of those people. You know a
Speaker 4: lot of people like that.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you a story, dick, And this
Speaker 2: is the truth. When Eddie Sutton left Okay, and we
Speaker 2: were going on probation, we were on the investigation and
Speaker 2: so on and so forth, and they were saying that
Speaker 2: we were not going to get to play on television.
Speaker 2: We weren't going to get a chance to go to
Speaker 2: the NCAA tournament. I had no idea who was going
Speaker 2: to become our coach, and whoever became our coach, I
Speaker 2: was hoping that I had some type of relationship with him.
Speaker 2: In a recruiting process, well, every coach that they brought
Speaker 2: in didn't recruit me come out of high school, and
Speaker 2: everybody recruited me, but it was just there was only
Speaker 2: a few that didn't recruit me hard and I didn't
Speaker 2: establish a relationship with And when that was starting to happen,
Speaker 2: I called my mom and I said, Mom, this is
Speaker 2: what's going on down here. We're gonna go on probation.
Speaker 2: You know, Coach Kasey, who was my mentor, who's the
Speaker 2: guy I really fell in love with and the reason
Speaker 2: why I came, you know, and he was the one
Speaker 2: who was becoming was the scapegoat. I didn't like that either,
Speaker 2: So there was a trust factor. And I said, can
Speaker 2: you call the schools that were recruiting me and let
Speaker 2: them know that I'm opening up my recruitment and I
Speaker 2: would like to talk to him? And my mom didn't
Speaker 2: buy the nine. He said no, And I said, what
Speaker 2: do you mean no? I said, I can't stay here
Speaker 2: there's nothing here. Sean Kemp's leaving as my best friend
Speaker 2: Chris Mills got to leave. Eric Manu Camp is not
Speaker 2: no beble to play anymore. The coaches that recruited me
Speaker 2: are not gonna be here. The only thing I got
Speaker 2: is my grandmother and my family here. That's it. But
Speaker 2: the basketball piece in which I really came for, besides
Speaker 2: my grandmother is gonna be gone. And she said, nope,
Speaker 2: she goes, this is the first time you had to
Speaker 2: face the version as an adult, and you're gonna face
Speaker 2: the head on. Wow, and you're gonna deal with it.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 2: And by her saying that, I stayed the course and
Speaker 2: look at me now, I mean, who would have thought
Speaker 2: my jersey'd be retired at the most historical basketball program
Speaker 2: in America and I wasn't in all American.
Speaker 1: Interesting. I don't think you ever told me I have.
Speaker 2: A significant impact, you know, on a major university like
Speaker 2: I have, and that my other teammates had. You know,
Speaker 2: no one thought that. We didn't see that coming.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Oh a lot to your mom, don't you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, my my mom's my mom. My wife has
Speaker 2: become my mom, and she's in me right now with
Speaker 2: some things that I'm going through because I'm at a
Speaker 2: cross road. So you know, if I didn't have those
Speaker 2: type of experiences, I would I would I would melt
Speaker 2: right now in this averse time in my life. So
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's a it comes twofold and you
Speaker 2: learned that at a young age and does life its easier? Know,
Speaker 2: life it's tougher. You know. The more you want to
Speaker 2: be successful, the more you know, trials and tribulations you
Speaker 2: know come your way. You know there's a price to pay.
Speaker 2: And I learned this, and I always told my kids this,
Speaker 2: especially when they come play from me. We have to
Speaker 2: get we have to get comfortable being uncomfortable. Yeah, true,
Speaker 2: being successful is very uncomfortable. I don't care how successful
Speaker 2: you are.
Speaker 1: He is Seawan Woods.
Speaker 4: He is an unforgettable guard because of his mom and
Speaker 4: other things.
Speaker 1: He worked hard.
Speaker 4: We'll come back and talk basketball with Sean on the
Speaker 4: other side of the break here on six thirty WLAP
Speaker 4: Welcome back. We're talking with unforgettable guard Sean Woods as
Speaker 4: Jersey hangs in the rafters of RUP.
Speaker 1: Speaking of RUP.
Speaker 4: Last night, the roof just about came off and Brandon
Speaker 4: Garrison threw down a dunk. But prior to that, a
Speaker 4: lot of three pointers went up. Very few of them
Speaker 4: went in at first, and then they started to rain
Speaker 4: down on Minnesota State. Man Cato and the Wildcats wrapped
Speaker 4: up their exhibition season. I know that these games valuable
Speaker 4: for you coaches, Sean, because now you've got either data
Speaker 4: or film, whatever you want to call it. But it's
Speaker 4: a great way to study what you have going into
Speaker 4: the regular season, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Oh, no doubt about it. You know, every game is important,
Speaker 2: no matter if you're playing system areas are the poor.
Speaker 2: It's just the fact that you you know, for the
Speaker 2: first time, you you know, you get to put just
Speaker 2: five guys out there, and you want to see who's
Speaker 2: your best five. You want to see who plays better together,
Speaker 2: and you want to see and test your guys, you know,
Speaker 2: how they respond to different things that you know you
Speaker 2: can't see in practice. And I thought it was a
Speaker 2: great test, especially early in the game yesterday, with you
Speaker 2: know what Minnesota State presented to the Cats, and you know,
Speaker 2: I was very impressed. And you know, just by the
Speaker 2: way they stayed the course. You know, they stay with
Speaker 2: what they do. You know, shots weren't falling early but
Speaker 2: eventually they did, and I off the better they shot,
Speaker 2: the tougher they played defensive, yes, because I thought that
Speaker 2: I thought their defense was not was scary in the
Speaker 2: first half. I was like, oh man, it's gonna be
Speaker 2: If this is the way they're gonna play defense the
Speaker 2: rest of the year, we're in trouble. Because they didn't rebound,
Speaker 2: they didn't keep guys in front of them, right, you know,
Speaker 2: that team was getting layups. I thought that Kentucky was
Speaker 2: discombobulated and disorder you know, and not disciplined in the
Speaker 2: first half defensively on assignment especially, you know, switching and
Speaker 2: you know, so on them so forth. But you know,
Speaker 2: they stayed the course, they stayed with what they did
Speaker 2: and eventually they found their groove and you know, like
Speaker 2: that old saying, if that ball's going in, everything else
Speaker 2: feels great. So you know, the name of the game
Speaker 2: is basketball, and Billy Darvin always said, you know, good offense,
Speaker 2: good defense in the day of the week of the
Speaker 2: game be zero zero. So you know that was that
Speaker 2: was a prime indication of that of that quote.
Speaker 4: It's funny you mentioned defense speacause I'm watching Lamont Butler
Speaker 4: and I'm sort of I'm upstairs and I'm sort of
Speaker 4: at an angle off for one of the corners. I'm
Speaker 4: not flush with the court parallel, but that allows me
Speaker 4: to see the angles that players play. And I'm watching
Speaker 4: Butler just harassing the imposing ball handler, and honestly, he
Speaker 4: reminded me a little bit of the way you did that.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's a different kind of player than you,
Speaker 4: but he is similar in how aggressive defensively he is.
Speaker 4: What do you think of him when you watch him
Speaker 4: play defense?
Speaker 2: That's amazing that you're talking about that. I want to practice.
Speaker 2: The other day was that Tuesday, Dwayne Casey came in.
Speaker 2: Coach Casey came in too, n me here and I
Speaker 2: went and watched practice, and I got a chance to
Speaker 2: really sit down and have it one on one with
Speaker 2: Mark Pope, and I told him, I said, listen, I said,
Speaker 2: this team reminds me so much of our team. We
Speaker 2: didn't we weren't as athletic, we didn't have a true
Speaker 2: big guy. But what we did have was and now,
Speaker 2: when I bragen on myself, was you got a point
Speaker 2: guard that can harass and change the course of a
Speaker 2: game by himself defensively. He said, yeah, he doesn't finish
Speaker 2: at the rim like you did. I said, it doesn't matter,
Speaker 2: I said, but he creates havoc. And he's the one
Speaker 2: person on your team because you are a three point
Speaker 2: shooting team that can get in the paint, and you
Speaker 2: got it. No matter how good of his three point
Speaker 2: shooting team you are, you must have paint touches. And
Speaker 2: he's the one guy that can penetrate and get in
Speaker 2: there and get paint touches and make things happen. To
Speaker 2: keep pressure on on that other team on both ends
Speaker 2: of the court with his pressure defensively and his pressure
Speaker 2: of getting by his guy and getting into the paint.
Speaker 2: And I said, you know, this team is very very
Speaker 2: similar to you know, the team in eighty nine to ninety.
Speaker 2: And you know, have fun with it because you do
Speaker 2: have a point guard that's pretty tough and he's probably
Speaker 2: the makeup of your basketball team. But just just just
Speaker 2: relish in it and enjoy him. Only thing I don't
Speaker 2: like is I don't want him to get in foul
Speaker 2: trouble because he is aggressive and he's the one guy
Speaker 2: that you have that can create havoc. And it's just
Speaker 2: as good as any other point you know, any other
Speaker 2: player on the other opposing team. You know, you want
Speaker 2: to be able to win every position. Well, that's one position.
Speaker 2: I don't think too many point guards are gonna be
Speaker 2: able to win against him. I think he's that tough.
Speaker 4: I agree. I've only got a minute or two left.
Speaker 4: But there was one play. Reabsolutely picked the guy's pocket,
Speaker 4: but he was harassed down the floor and then he
Speaker 4: missed the layup. But it is just such a joy
Speaker 4: to watch him go, isn't it.
Speaker 2: He is. I mean, I love guys that like getting
Speaker 2: in the people. You know, a lot of guys don't
Speaker 2: like playing that way anymore. But I just think that,
Speaker 2: you know, God forbid, he gets in the foul troubles.
Speaker 2: He's the guy that really can set the tone and
Speaker 2: really punk a bully the other team's point guard. You know,
Speaker 2: if you can win the point guard battle nine times
Speaker 2: out of team, you're gonna win the game.
Speaker 4: Creasa backed him up and he add six assists. He's
Speaker 4: not quite as good defensively, but yeah, between those two guys,
Speaker 4: it's gonna be really interesting. This entire season is gonna
Speaker 4: be interesting, and Sean Woods will be here to help
Speaker 4: us break things down as well as life lessons in general.
Speaker 4: I appreciate your observations. I appreciate your mom all over
Speaker 4: again now the fact that you're still here. But I
Speaker 4: have a great week, Coach, and we'll talk to.
Speaker 1: You down the road.
Speaker 2: Take care, Dick.
Speaker 1: Coming up next to our number.
Speaker 4: Two sports doctor Ben Kibler, who is a world renowned
Speaker 4: orthopedic surgeon who is based right here in Lexington, semi retired.
Speaker 4: We'll talk to the doc as well as our West
Speaker 4: End bureau chief Jerry Moore. That's all I had coming
Speaker 4: up an hour number two, the Big One Insider six
Speaker 4: point thirty Wlaper, Welcome back to the Big Blue and
Speaker 4: sider joining us now on the Celebrity Hotline is a
Speaker 4: guy I've known for many, many years. He knows my
Speaker 4: knees inside it out, because doctor Ben Kibler has operated
Speaker 4: on me three times and treated me for many other
Speaker 4: minor injuries.
Speaker 1: But welcome back. We haven't talked with you in a while. Doc.
Speaker 1: Everything's going in your semi retirement.
Speaker 7: Oh thanks a lot, Dick for having me. I enjoy
Speaker 7: always talking with you. Doing just fine with staying busy,
Speaker 7: staying involved with with the throwing shoulder and some injuries
Speaker 7: and preventative things. Still having some good time with that.
Speaker 4: Well, I wanted to bring you on and we're going
Speaker 4: to talk about your latest research as well. But CBS
Speaker 4: Sunday Morning a couple of weeks ago had a really
Speaker 4: interesting piece on Tommy John's surgery. And they're not the
Speaker 4: first to dive in, but it was just prior to
Speaker 4: the baseball playoffs, right in the middle of it, really
Speaker 4: and it's amazing to me, Doc, and I know it's
Speaker 4: no surprise to you, or maybe it is that it
Speaker 4: seems like so many guys want Tommy John surgery that
Speaker 4: they see that as especially younger people, something that could
Speaker 4: help their careers.
Speaker 1: Is are we careening in the wrong direction on this?
Speaker 1: I got to think we are.
Speaker 7: I think there are several things that are brought up
Speaker 7: by that type of statement. First of all, remember that
Speaker 7: the Tommy John ligament is a key ligament in throwing baseball.
Speaker 7: But to be honest with you, you know a lot
Speaker 7: of people can get by without it in other situations,
Speaker 7: but in baseball it's an extremely important structure. And the
Speaker 7: disturbing finding is that this is the need for surgery
Speaker 7: is occurring in younger age groups, even down down the
Speaker 7: fifteen to eighteen, and the original surgery that doctor Job
Speaker 7: did has been slightly modified to include a couple of
Speaker 7: other new techniques which include these little what's called internal braces,
Speaker 7: as well as better ways of doing the reconstruction, so
Speaker 7: that there's a lot of different options. So I think, well,
Speaker 7: that's no big deal, just you know, we'll fix it
Speaker 7: and let it go about it. Well, it turns out
Speaker 7: that's really not the case. That the idea as well,
Speaker 7: you get a couple of miles on your fastball and
Speaker 7: no problem, you just have spend a year getting better.
Speaker 7: Turns out that that's sometimes true, but a lot of
Speaker 7: times it's not true. And if you look around, you'll
Speaker 7: find that this thing doesn't last forever. And there's a
Speaker 7: couple of things that are noticeable that the incidence of
Speaker 7: a subsequent shoulder injury is quite high, and these incidents
Speaker 7: of subsequent re injury and secondary surgery second surgery is high.
Speaker 2: Witness.
Speaker 7: You know, Walfa Biler did really good last night. It
Speaker 7: took him two years to come back from his second
Speaker 7: Tommy John, And to be honest with there a whole
Speaker 7: lot of other problems going on at that in him
Speaker 7: that are not just the Tommy John. And that's the
Speaker 7: other thing is that this injury now is not just
Speaker 7: the ligament, it's the shoulder, it's the muscles. There are
Speaker 7: a whole bunch of things. So it's not a good
Speaker 7: idea to have this surgery. You don't you don't go
Speaker 7: toward that. Once again, it does seem to and the
Speaker 7: people that works seems to work pretty well. But because
Speaker 7: the other thing we find is that the mechanics of
Speaker 7: the shoulder and elbow are usually not the best in
Speaker 7: these throwers. And if we do not totally restore the mechanics,
Speaker 7: then that portal of ligaments left out to dry. I
Speaker 7: don't know if you know this or not, but what's
Speaker 7: called the yield strength of that ligament, which is the
Speaker 7: force beyond which it'll break. You know, the tensile force
Speaker 7: of bread is about half of what the elbow sees
Speaker 7: every time the ball throws, from which means you've got
Speaker 7: to have a lot of help from a lot of
Speaker 7: other things, such as shoulder rotation, shoulder strength, arm strength,
Speaker 7: by steps, a lot of things, even hipp and core
Speaker 7: that decrease that load so that you can put that
Speaker 7: ligament ad close to its yield failure every time. So
Speaker 7: so it's it's not a good idea to just say
Speaker 7: I'll get this fixed and I'll just go back. Sure,
Speaker 7: there's a whole lot of rebuilt. So and then he's
Speaker 7: fifteen sixty year olds. There's no reason for them to
Speaker 7: have this. You know this it's all about the radart gun.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, it's all about radar gun and especially pitches
Speaker 7: and and so so there are who lot of reasons
Speaker 7: to probably look at Scance said oh yeah, let's go
Speaker 7: ahead and have it done.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they spotlighted a young man. I can't remember where
Speaker 4: he's from, but he had hurt his arm.
Speaker 1: Heav'n.
Speaker 4: He was coming back from Tommy John and he said,
Speaker 4: I will absolutely make.
Speaker 1: The major leagues.
Speaker 4: And and you know, the interviewer said, well what if
Speaker 4: you don't, do you have a backup? But now I
Speaker 4: don't really need one. I'll be I'll be a major
Speaker 4: league pitcher. Mom and Dad are sitting there grinning, you know.
Speaker 4: So I was talking to Butcher Thompson, who's the Auburn
Speaker 4: baseball coach and one of the better when it comes
Speaker 4: to pitching, one of the more knowledgeable guys in the
Speaker 4: Southeastern Conference, and I asked him, I said, what do
Speaker 4: you think of all these kids that are trying to
Speaker 4: get up to one hundred on the gun And he said, well,
Speaker 4: he just shried. He goes something's got to give, and
Speaker 4: that's where doctors come in.
Speaker 7: Am I right, Well hopefully. But the other thing is
Speaker 7: is that's where the athletic trainers and the strength condition coach.
Speaker 7: I mean it takes a whole effort. I mean the
Speaker 7: doctors unfortunately, the only time they see him is when
Speaker 7: they get hurt. And so unless the doctors are getting
Speaker 7: involved in the training programs, which is where eyes of
Speaker 7: sportsmens is my own personal interests have always been. But
Speaker 7: but you've got to have that kind of stuff because otherwise,
Speaker 7: I mean I talked to the Major league team doctor
Speaker 7: and I was we were talking about forces on the
Speaker 7: elbow and all that kind of stuff, and how you
Speaker 7: need to implement training programs as well. I'm sorry, it's
Speaker 7: probably right, but I don't have that time. That's what
Speaker 7: we've got our training staff for, you know, and and
Speaker 7: so and that even goes down. So you imagine if
Speaker 7: that's what it is major leagues, what about the high schools?
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, you know, and you got these guys trying
Speaker 7: to throw.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 7: The other thing is I was consulting on a guy
Speaker 7: who was getting ready to be a high school junior,
Speaker 7: and you already had Tommy John and so junior years
Speaker 7: when he got to really make sure he shows up
Speaker 7: real well for all the college scouts. And so he
Speaker 7: got he got injured, and he got a surgery back
Speaker 7: in like November, and so this was in February, and
Speaker 7: they said, well, he's got this brace, so he can
Speaker 7: go back and throw. So he's out there throwing this
Speaker 7: team and everybody's head. But if you watch his mechanics, it's
Speaker 7: pecially because you can make your armle fast, and you
Speaker 7: can make that arm you can just take it and
Speaker 7: just flail it whip now.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And then what happens with that a lot of times
Speaker 7: is let's get what's called the slow arm with arms behind,
Speaker 7: which opens up the elbow, which puts stressed on there
Speaker 7: or your your your launch window or your you know,
Speaker 7: your slot is off, therefore your pitch performance like that.
Speaker 2: So I can throw it fast, but.
Speaker 7: Kind of throw it accurately, and I'm throwing it efficiently.
Speaker 7: Answer that, unless you've got some really good guys watching this,
Speaker 7: then you know it's not going to be.
Speaker 1: The best amazing and all did We did.
Speaker 7: An instinct study at anything study where we looked at
Speaker 7: guys everybody who went on the ile, all the pictures
Speaker 7: that are not making leaders, and we looked at them
Speaker 7: one year before being on the ile and one month
Speaker 7: before being on the I L I can do this
Speaker 7: now when I'm trying can look at all these statistics
Speaker 7: at all anyway, And so we found that there was
Speaker 7: a significant difference in all location between the year before
Speaker 7: and the month before.
Speaker 2: Really and that.
Speaker 7: And that you know you've always heard the pitching coaches
Speaker 7: say that you can tell when the pictures losing it.
Speaker 7: He's wild high, right, Yeah, well that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 7: If you draw a draw the strike zone that box
Speaker 7: rectangular boxing, uh, and you put where the where they
Speaker 7: were one month before injury, what I call the Mickey
Speaker 7: mouse had two circles indicating and there's outside the box
Speaker 7: high inside and high outside and it significant where was
Speaker 7: not was down in a way. So in words, he
Speaker 7: couldn't get the location. He couldn't get that slider right
Speaker 7: down and the way he was missing up, which you
Speaker 7: know batters like to see that thing so that's that's
Speaker 7: what you see, instinct that the velocity hadn't changed. Stomachy
Speaker 7: armicle fast, Yeah, which you couldn't put it where's supposed
Speaker 7: to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting.
Speaker 4: We're talking with doctor Ben Kibler, who is I say
Speaker 4: semi retired because he say he's very busy, but retired
Speaker 4: from the Election and Clinic in twenty twenty. Basically had
Speaker 4: been there since nineteen seventy seven. He was the head
Speaker 4: team physician for the Election and legends has been since
Speaker 4: twenty oh one. So he knows arms, you know, shoulders.
Speaker 4: And we'll come back with more questions for the doc.
Speaker 4: And just to minute here on the Big bullone sider
Speaker 4: six thirty WLAP.
Speaker 1: Welcome back. We're talking with sports surgeon.
Speaker 4: Basically is an easy way to describe doctor Ben Kibler,
Speaker 4: but he has done more than just the twenty three
Speaker 4: thousand surgical procedures.
Speaker 1: He is an author and is doing research now.
Speaker 4: Has coached thousands of young athletes, both in baseball and tennis.
Speaker 4: If you've got a shoulder and you're playing sports, you
Speaker 4: need to know this guy. You mentioned in your opening comments,
Speaker 4: Doc the word core And I tell you what when
Speaker 4: I watched pictures now. And I tried to pitch when
Speaker 4: I was young, wasn't any good? I wish I had
Speaker 4: known then and had no one talking to me how
Speaker 4: important your core was, Your legs are your rare end
Speaker 4: is It's it's so much more than just your arm.
Speaker 1: Isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did.
Speaker 7: This is one of the studies I did back in
Speaker 7: the nineteen nineteen ninety. We looked at the contributions of
Speaker 7: each of the elements of the body, the legs, the core,
Speaker 7: the shoulder, the elbows. We found that to the to
Speaker 7: the velocity of the arm at ball release, it turns
Speaker 7: out that fifty four percent of all the force and
Speaker 7: fifty percent of all the kinetic energy developed to the
Speaker 7: pitch is from the from the waist down.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 7: And all this instant contribution of the arm going forward
Speaker 7: at the shoulder is only like eighteen percent because basically
Speaker 7: what the shoulder muscles are doing to try to keep
Speaker 7: the shoulder from fall, from being pulled off, pulled out
Speaker 7: of the body. So but over half is from the
Speaker 7: lower body. And it's it's so very important to make
Speaker 7: that right as your base because you imagine those big muscles.
Speaker 7: If if force and velocity you are proportional to the
Speaker 7: cross sexual area of a muscle because you rather have
Speaker 7: your legs developed that strength, or you try to get
Speaker 7: your forearm muscles develop that force. So you're playing ketchup
Speaker 7: and ketch up with these smaller muscles out farther, and
Speaker 7: then all kinds of things happen. Soh yeah, So the
Speaker 7: core and and and actually thinking the core, the lower
Speaker 7: extremity and the upper extremity in a unit is the
Speaker 7: way that we go about doing this most efficiently.
Speaker 4: Here's a simple question, and you could probably talk all
Speaker 4: night about it.
Speaker 1: Do pitch counts work? Are they just being totally overblown?
Speaker 1: And every other day you see a.
Speaker 4: New stat about Nolan Ryan on on social media and
Speaker 4: I don't know if he was a unicorn or he
Speaker 4: just did things the way they should be done. But
Speaker 4: everybody's on a pitch count now, Doc.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think originally the reason for pitchcowunt is because
Speaker 7: we found that if you looked at people who got injured,
Speaker 7: that they usually were, you know, had high volumes of throwing,
Speaker 7: and so everybody got on a pitch count. But I
Speaker 7: think you're exactly right. There's a there's an individual variation.
Speaker 7: If you want to construct a major league picture, then
Speaker 7: you would construct him along the lines of Nolan Ryan.
Speaker 7: He had didn't have a big buddy, had very strong muscles,
Speaker 7: a very good core, very good handstrings, wide shoulders, and
Speaker 7: just to that easy motion. I mean you usually he
Speaker 7: just needed easy motion. See some of these guys, you
Speaker 7: can tell it looks like they're fighting against themselves. Then
Speaker 7: you see somebody like Greg Maddick, somebody just to the
Speaker 7: easy motion, just this full flowing of motion. And so
Speaker 7: there are differences, but in general, the more times you
Speaker 7: do that, and that's a huge amount of load that
Speaker 7: you're putting on the arm, then the more time you
Speaker 7: have four possible injuries, and of course it's pitch counts
Speaker 7: plus your your core and your strength, all that kind
Speaker 7: of stuff, and where you are in the season and
Speaker 7: your recovery there's got to be there's going to be
Speaker 7: a recovery component. Then there's another thing called workload. There's
Speaker 7: a workload. So that they found out now that it's
Speaker 7: not necessarily the number of pitches is perhaps the change
Speaker 7: in the number of pitches if you have it's called
Speaker 7: the acute chronic workload ratio. And the idea is that
Speaker 7: if you're throwing about the same amount all the time,
Speaker 7: then your body gets used to it. But if you
Speaker 7: change that by more than fifteen percent in an acute situation,
Speaker 7: then your risk of injury goes up. And so it's
Speaker 7: not know it's a pitch count, but if it's a
Speaker 7: pitch count. For example, in the high school, you know
Speaker 7: you're pitching, and then you go to a camp, yeah,
Speaker 7: and then you're throwing every day or something like So
Speaker 7: now your number of throws plus you're trying to hit
Speaker 7: that radar gun goes up. That's where you get into injury.
Speaker 7: And these relief pitchers nowadays that throw what three batters,
Speaker 7: you know, maybe fifteen pitches or twenty visits, you know
Speaker 7: they're never going they're going to get it beyond a pitchcount.
Speaker 7: But that doesn't happen in youth. Pitchcowns are more important
Speaker 7: than youth because they're less regulated, they're less developed, and
Speaker 7: they're less skilled, and so all those things go into
Speaker 7: this pitchcount. So you can talk about major leaguers you
Speaker 7: want to, and everybody's going to watch them pretty carefully. Nowadays,
Speaker 7: that's not gonna be as much of a problem, but
Speaker 7: it's in the high schools and colleges where the pitchcounts
Speaker 7: probably still need to be really pretty closely monitored.
Speaker 4: By the way, speaking of Nolan Ryan, I seem to recall,
Speaker 4: and I know you've probably you and your colleagues or
Speaker 4: studied the heck out of him, but he had a
Speaker 4: part of his workout routine.
Speaker 1: And he was an absolute fiend. As everybody knows.
Speaker 4: He would drive his pitching hand to the into a
Speaker 4: bucket of rice and work work the hand, like squeezing
Speaker 4: the rice all the way to the bottom of the bucket.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you've ever tried that, but I
Speaker 4: did when I was young. Oh my god, is that taxing.
Speaker 4: But you could tell it had to help that forearm,
Speaker 4: that shoulder all the way down to his waist.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a it's a he popularized it, but a
Speaker 7: lot of people we we we have a big throwing
Speaker 7: program over to Lection and clinic. Yeah, and Mike, Mike
Speaker 7: Howell is our pitching guru there and it looks like
Speaker 7: he's he's just conducted a wedding there.
Speaker 2: I mean so much right off the floor.
Speaker 7: But it's it's a great exercise. And and then all
Speaker 7: the pictures both love it and hate it. They love
Speaker 7: it because they get a benefit, but they hate it
Speaker 7: because it because it because it does TAXIM pretty good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, Like I said, I remember trying that, thinking, Man,
Speaker 4: I don't want to be a picture this badly. If
Speaker 4: you've Mint Slevin, doctor Ben Kibler uh just basically known
Speaker 4: as a sports doctor, but he's so much more than that,
Speaker 4: a surgeon and now in semi retirement doing a lot
Speaker 4: of research, and I love talking to him about baseball.
Speaker 4: In fact, we played baseball together in the Old Bluegrass
Speaker 4: League and you played at Vanderbilt. But I wanted to
Speaker 4: talk because I had seen this piece about Tommy John surgery,
Speaker 4: and it also reminded me of a conversation I had
Speaker 4: with my partner, Doug Flynn from the SEC broadcasts, And
Speaker 4: of course Doug played eleven years in the majors, and
Speaker 4: he said that when he played Doc, the radar gun
Speaker 4: reading was the ball going across the plate. Now it's
Speaker 4: out of the pitcher's hand, which I think makes it
Speaker 4: less relevant. But you talked about the gun earlier. It's
Speaker 4: all about the gun. People now are acutely aware of
Speaker 4: that radar gun, and it's just ruining a lot of arms,
Speaker 4: I think, and I'm sure you do too.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 7: The emphasis on speed is it's only one factor. I mean,
Speaker 7: you know, almost everybody says location and movement are more
Speaker 7: important than speed. And and of course we keep going
Speaker 7: back to people like Greg Maddox, for whom that was
Speaker 7: entirely true. Then you get these other guys that can
Speaker 7: can throw real hard and so but you know, once again,
Speaker 7: what you can do for tim You go to this
Speaker 7: camp and do they ever look at your ball strike
Speaker 7: ratio and your report? You know that they give back
Speaker 7: the kid and no, it's always velocity and and and
Speaker 7: the problem with that is that that means you're trying
Speaker 7: to max out everything, so it's not much control. So
Speaker 7: you really trying to make that arm go fast. Well,
Speaker 7: most of the kids are not totally coordinating, you know,
Speaker 7: some of them are still growing and things like that.
Speaker 7: So the idea of making an arm go fast, you
Speaker 7: you can take your arm, you can sling it, you know,
Speaker 7: but that but that and that'll make it go fast
Speaker 7: because that's at the end of along chain right there.
Speaker 7: But it's not helpful and it's not accurate, it's not
Speaker 7: mechanically safe. So but once again they're all using it,
Speaker 7: and of course then they'll use that as a look
Speaker 7: how much better you are? Yeah, you know, and they
Speaker 7: proved that a couple of miles.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 7: One of the biggest studies they did on the weighted balls.
Speaker 7: Don't get me started on that, but they they weighted
Speaker 7: balls and young kids, is that we improved your velocity.
Speaker 7: It turns out to improve the velocity two point three
Speaker 7: miles per hour.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 7: Is that enough to go through those And it turns
Speaker 7: out that forty percent reported some kind of injury in
Speaker 7: the next some kind of paint and limitation in this
Speaker 7: one study over the next six months of throwing, so
Speaker 7: so that that trade off's not good. But you're always
Speaker 7: just going by the velocity.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: It's amazing what people latch onto. And now, as I
Speaker 4: said in the in the piece on CBS Sunday morning, Uh,
Speaker 4: mom and Dad were right there, you know, supporting all
Speaker 4: the way. And you've got money out there from the pros,
Speaker 4: You've got scholarship dollars out there.
Speaker 1: It seems like the pressure to make it is even
Speaker 1: greater now, isn't it.
Speaker 7: Yeah. And the thing is, you get the proliferation of
Speaker 7: all that you know I'm not knocking them entirely, but
Speaker 7: all these individual coaches and camps and things like that,
Speaker 7: for whom that is a source of lack of a
Speaker 7: better word, money or prestige or whatever.
Speaker 2: I was saying.
Speaker 7: Some of them are really good and some of them
Speaker 7: are probably more hyped. And you've got to be real
Speaker 7: careful about where you put your effort and your interest
Speaker 7: and your money in a growing kid and developing kid,
Speaker 7: and you've got to be really, really very discerning on those.
Speaker 4: Well, Doc, I always enjoy talking with you when I'm
Speaker 4: not being treated, when you're not saying, oh, what have
Speaker 4: you done this time?
Speaker 1: But let's keep in.
Speaker 4: Touch and can be posted on your research because I
Speaker 4: find it fascinating.
Speaker 1: I sure like talking to you, and I do appreciate
Speaker 1: your time.
Speaker 7: I always enjoy talking.
Speaker 2: We always have a good time.
Speaker 7: Reminiscing about the old days. Is also keeping totally current
Speaker 7: on what's going on now at that's right, Thanks loud up.
Speaker 4: Next, West End Bureau Chief Gary Moore here on six
Speaker 4: thirty WLAP Welcome back to the Big Wills Cider. It
Speaker 4: is Wednesday, which means we cast our gaze to the west,
Speaker 4: to the west end of I sixty four, where we
Speaker 4: find our West End Bureau chief, Gary Moore, he all
Speaker 4: time West Coast Bureau chief when he was a Kailo Wes.
Speaker 1: Radio now back in LA the Louisville area, to share
Speaker 1: with us some of his musings. Muse for us, young man.
Speaker 8: Two guys in a six pack. We've got six things
Speaker 8: to talk about. Huge, huge hump knight. In sports, Dick
Speaker 8: Gabriel got us a potential series clinching Game five in
Speaker 8: the Bronx, Dodgers and Yankees, and at the same time
Speaker 8: ESPN two some good old college football between my Hilltoppers
Speaker 8: five and two and the one and six Kinnesaw State Owls.
Speaker 8: Or maybe it's just college football. Scratch the good old
Speaker 8: part of that toodnight eight oh eight Eastern Yankees Ace
Speaker 8: Garrett Cole, who grew up idolizing the Yankees in southern California,
Speaker 8: faces off against LA's Jack Flaherty, who grew up idolizing
Speaker 8: the Dodgers in southern California. I thought this was kind
Speaker 8: of interesting. Cole pitched obviously a great game one at
Speaker 8: Dodger Stadium, which is not surprising because he was a
Speaker 8: better away from Yankee Stadium this season on the road,
Speaker 8: he was five and three with the two forty nine
Speaker 8: era at home and Yankee Stadium, Cole was three and
Speaker 8: two with a four point three to one er for
Speaker 8: those not keeping score at home, now down I sixty
Speaker 8: five and Bowling Green my toppers twenty four point favorites
Speaker 8: over Kennesas State, which inexplicably upset Liberty twenty seven to
Speaker 8: twenty four a week ago. Tonight, Western I will tell
Speaker 8: you will not let upset number two happen this evening.
Speaker 8: That's a seven thirty kickoff on ESPEN two. So I
Speaker 8: ask you about the baseball game you go in with
Speaker 8: the Dodgers or the Evil Empire tonight.
Speaker 1: Well, I had thought.
Speaker 4: That the Evil Empire would give the Dodgers a better
Speaker 4: run than they have, But the Dodger pitching, all those
Speaker 4: guys pouring out of the bulls have done the job.
Speaker 4: But I have a feeling the Yankees will get another
Speaker 4: one tonight, and including those clowns that they let back
Speaker 4: in the game.
Speaker 1: But we'll talk about that a little later.
Speaker 8: Gotcha second squig in the six pack tomorrow night. Thursday
Speaker 8: Night football. Dick is one of to me, the two
Speaker 8: most intriguing NFL games of the week. We got the
Speaker 8: six and two and AFC South Division leading Houston Texans
Speaker 8: at the two and six soap opera that is the
Speaker 8: New York Jets losers now a five in a row,
Speaker 8: and yet, and yet the Jets are favored by two
Speaker 8: over the Texans tomorrow night. Give me an all caps
Speaker 8: wtf on that? USA Today called that betting line laughable.
Speaker 8: Vegas also had the Jets seven point favorites last Sunday
Speaker 8: against the Patriots, which seemed a little more legit, but still,
Speaker 8: what's the deal with this? Then on Sunday, your beloved
Speaker 8: Packers that you have you own a stake in at
Speaker 8: an all and in fact, they're going to be in
Speaker 8: their own thought out tundra of lambeau Field three and
Speaker 8: a half underdogs to the sixth and one Lions, Lions
Speaker 8: currently cooking on a five game winning streak. I ask you,
Speaker 8: do they make it sixth or does your pack rack
Speaker 8: their fifth win in a row. Something's got to give.
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm hopeful, but I'm not entirely confident that
Speaker 4: my guys can get it done, simply because the Lions
Speaker 4: are really good, well coached, have a good, smart defense
Speaker 4: and you got. Probably. I think it depends on whether
Speaker 4: or not. We don't know yet about Love, whether he's
Speaker 4: going to play or not. If it's Willis, I think
Speaker 4: they'll have some some packages built in to try to
Speaker 4: confuse him, although he has played remarkably well based on
Speaker 4: how I thought he would play because he was a
Speaker 4: bit of a flop in Tennessee. But we're finding out
Speaker 4: more and more. It might not have been the QB,
Speaker 4: might have been the system, might have been, the line, whatever.
Speaker 4: But Lions are really really good. I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 4: if my guys win it, but I also wouldn't be
Speaker 4: surprised if it came down to the last possession, which
Speaker 4: it has the last two games for my Packers. Unfortunately,
Speaker 4: we've won both and one of them came against Houston.
Speaker 4: And I'm with you on that point, Spread, But man, again,
Speaker 4: those guys in the Desert, they've never spent a dollar
Speaker 4: that was their own.
Speaker 1: They know what they're doing.
Speaker 4: But you're right they blew it with the Patriots Jets,
Speaker 4: but I think they're putting way too much on Devonte
Speaker 4: Adams signing. And also they still think this Jets defense
Speaker 4: is something special, which we have seen it is not,
Speaker 4: and neither is the quarterback agreed.
Speaker 8: Third swig in the six pack. On to college football.
Speaker 8: Two monumentally tough road games for our Cats and Cards
Speaker 8: this weekend up first at seven point thirty. U OFL
Speaker 8: kicks off at number eleven Clemson five and three Cards
Speaker 8: ten and a half point underdogs to the six and
Speaker 8: one Tigers, who, by the way, are coming off of
Speaker 8: a bye week. Clemson's also won six in a row
Speaker 8: since that opening blowout loss to Georgia. Clemson has also
Speaker 8: scored at least forty points in five of those six wins.
Speaker 8: Cards looked awful in the first half at Boston Boston
Speaker 8: College last week before they rallied in the second half.
Speaker 8: Try that start against that same kind of start against
Speaker 8: this team Saturday, and UFL will be five and four,
Speaker 8: probably before halftime now, as you've talked about all week,
Speaker 8: fifteen minutes after the UFL start, Cats are down I
Speaker 8: seventy five. Of course you'll be there at seven to
Speaker 8: forty five start in Knoxville against the number seven Valls,
Speaker 8: who are sixteen point favorites as we speak. But Dick,
Speaker 8: don't count on me piling on here. From everything that's
Speaker 8: happened in the last week or two. I think some
Speaker 8: things are bigger than football, like losing a parent, as
Speaker 8: Mark Stoops did this past week. So my heart goes
Speaker 8: out to the coach. I hope, I'll say this, I
Speaker 8: hope his players honor him with their best performance of
Speaker 8: the season. And it's got to be better, even better
Speaker 8: than the one that they showed down in Oxford, Mississippi.
Speaker 8: I hope they can do that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna take that, because while the win at
Speaker 4: Oxford was great and always will be, it was a
Speaker 4: matter of which team will control the pace offensively, and
Speaker 4: of course it was Kentucky just a little bit better
Speaker 4: and I'll miss there. That is a huge challenge this
Speaker 4: week given the power of Tennessee's defense, and over the
Speaker 4: last couple of minion, especially down there, it's either been
Speaker 4: the jail break for Tennessee or a track meet either
Speaker 4: one pick your metaphor. But Kentucky's at a very difficult
Speaker 4: time slowing Tennessee's offense. Well, Tennessee's not known this season
Speaker 4: for its offense, and of course is known for that defense,
Speaker 4: which has yet to give up more than nineteen points
Speaker 4: this year. So they got to find a way to
Speaker 4: move the football or it's going to be one of
Speaker 4: those long days, and I've covered a few of those
Speaker 4: down in Knoxville. As for the Cardinals, the impressive comeback
Speaker 4: against Boston College still kind of rings in my mind.
Speaker 4: I got to watch most of that, but it occurred
Speaker 4: to me that two things. Number One, ACC football is
Speaker 4: just different from SEC. I don't think there's as much size,
Speaker 4: but that means you can move the ball a little
Speaker 4: bit more freely. I guess you could say, uh, you know,
Speaker 4: because your lines aren't these behemos slamming into each other.
Speaker 4: But Clemson we had ridden off, which was stupid after
Speaker 4: that Georgia loss and again an SEC power destroying Clemson.
Speaker 4: But since then has looked like the team Dabbo won.
Speaker 4: So it's going to be really, I think difficult, plus
Speaker 4: the extra week to prepare for Jeff Brohm's offense forth Swig.
Speaker 8: As far as the game of the day on Saturday,
Speaker 8: that's an easy one. Number four Ohio State at number
Speaker 8: three Penn State. Buckeyes are three and a half point favorites,
Speaker 8: and they've beaten the Nitney Lions in their last seven meetings.
Speaker 8: In fact, they've beaten them nine out of the last
Speaker 8: ten that will be at high noon on Fox on Saturday.
Speaker 8: What else looks fun? Well, you got the Florida Georgia
Speaker 8: cocktail party done and Jackson Village usual. You got number
Speaker 8: one Oregon at the Big House against unranked Michigan. You
Speaker 8: also got number thirteen Indiana at unranked Michigan State. Last week,
Speaker 8: Michigan State, as you know, ended their rivalry game with
Speaker 8: Michigan in that postgame fistfight you might have caught. I
Speaker 8: guess the thinking was, well, if we can't beat them,
Speaker 8: we can beat them after that.
Speaker 1: Maybe the second best game of the day.
Speaker 8: Number eighteen and still undefeated Pitt at number twenty SMUs
Speaker 8: by the way, SMU seven and one ACC Showdown Mustang's
Speaker 8: a seven a half point favorite. That's at eight o'clock
Speaker 8: Saturday night. ACC Network. Two predictions. I like Indiana to go.
Speaker 8: I believe nine to zero for the first time and
Speaker 8: who's your history? And Penn State to snap the streak
Speaker 8: against and Ohio State University.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you, and again I have to eat
Speaker 4: it on the Ohio State Oregon prediction.
Speaker 1: I made you.
Speaker 4: I said it would be a blowout. Not only was
Speaker 4: it not it was a loss by Ohio State and
Speaker 4: they had to go a long way to play. Now
Speaker 4: you don't have to go quite as far, but still
Speaker 4: it's a difficult place to play at Penn State, and
Speaker 4: it's not your granddad's Ohio State team.
Speaker 1: I'm with you.
Speaker 4: I think if they don't win, at least cover and
Speaker 4: I guess more than anything, I'm kind of hoping Indiana
Speaker 4: stays unblemish. But I think Indiana is a better team
Speaker 4: than Michigan State, and I think the residue from that
Speaker 4: dance party after the game, I think may have a
Speaker 4: lot to do with that. I think Georgia will take
Speaker 4: care of Florida no problem, simply because I like Georgia's defense,
Speaker 4: and again, Florida's got a very young, but talented quarterback
Speaker 4: as we saw Oregon.
Speaker 1: I guess this is for real. I just got to
Speaker 1: admit it.
Speaker 4: I'm happy for my cousins who live in Portland, and
Speaker 4: it's weird for me to see SMU more than a
Speaker 4: touchdown favorite over an undefeated pit team. But got to
Speaker 4: go to Dallas and play. There will not be a
Speaker 4: huge crowd, But SMU is better than we think it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, saw that here.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yep, bittswig and a six pack. By this time,
Speaker 8: one week from today, Dick your number. Twe three, University
Speaker 8: of Kentucky Wildcats, my WKU Hilltoppers, and U of L
Speaker 8: will have played their first regular season basketball games. No
Speaker 8: more exhibitions. Three Monday season starters. Monday night, as you've
Speaker 8: talked about all week at RUPP, the Pope Era begins
Speaker 8: against Wright State. Over here at the KFC Young Center
Speaker 8: downtown Louisville. The Pat Kelsey Era begins as unranked Louisville
Speaker 8: plays Morehead State Morehead Still in the OVC, then down
Speaker 8: I sixty five.
Speaker 1: In Bowling Green.
Speaker 8: The third Monday game with also the third Monday game
Speaker 8: with a new coach for Kentucky school, the Hank Plana
Speaker 8: Era has the Hilltoppers hosting Wichita State, probably the toughest
Speaker 8: of those three games. And by the way, my hometown
Speaker 8: Murray State Racers, one of the preseason favorites in the
Speaker 8: Missouri Valley Conference, host Bethel University from Tennessee. That's an
Speaker 8: NAIA school. Also on Monday, Murray just dismissed sophomore guard
Speaker 8: Lamont Rice after he was arrested on domestic violence related
Speaker 8: charges down there may or may not affect team chemistry
Speaker 8: initially or what they're planning to do. We'll see. My
Speaker 8: prediction is the Cats will be much better than twenty third.
Speaker 8: We always hate these preseason polls. Anyway, Louisville will eventually
Speaker 8: get into the top twenty five, and they're already light
Speaker 8: years better than any of Kenny Paine's teams. And Western
Speaker 8: has its third coach in three years, so I'm just
Speaker 8: told to that I have low expectations, but they got
Speaker 8: some players, so we'll see.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, we've talked a lot about Kentucky already tonight and
Speaker 4: as you know, wrapped up exhibition play with an impressive performance,
Speaker 4: although there were things Mark Pope did not like. But
Speaker 4: big on data, big on analytics, lots to study, as
Speaker 4: you kids like to call it game film that they
Speaker 4: like that they like to study, so they'll be ready
Speaker 4: for their opener. Louisville's got an interesting schedule if you
Speaker 4: look beyond what is it Morehead.
Speaker 8: State on Monday, Tennessee. Yeah, you got Tennessee.
Speaker 4: Coming up right after that in Bellerman and Winthrop, but
Speaker 4: then Indiana and Ole Miss. So we're gonna learn a
Speaker 4: lot about u of l early and it's uh in
Speaker 4: its worksheet. Yeah, it's so weird, Gary, the revolving door
Speaker 4: on your beloved Western Kentucky and uh, you know. And
Speaker 4: to talk about Murray State still being in the OVC, man,
Speaker 4: you just wish that conference would dig in, you know,
Speaker 4: and get back to its roots. I don't know if
Speaker 4: it can, but it used to be a brutally tough
Speaker 4: place to play anywhere in the OVC.
Speaker 1: You know that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Morehead and still in the OVC.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's true.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, Well, our sixth and final swig here as
Speaker 8: the greatest sideline journalist ever in the history of ever. You,
Speaker 8: my friend, have been on the gridiron for many a
Speaker 8: field stormings by winning fans. How many would you say
Speaker 8: that you've been on the field just a rough estimate
Speaker 8: that you've.
Speaker 1: Oh, gosh, probably five or six.
Speaker 8: None for me in football, I've been on two court
Speaker 8: stormings in basketball, when in high school, when in college.
Speaker 8: But let me introduce you now. Let me Gary Moore
Speaker 8: introduce you now to Gary Morse of suburban Los Angeles,
Speaker 8: who has stormed three different college football fields three consecutive
Speaker 8: weekends this season already, and the year is still young.
Speaker 8: To clarify, Morse is a highly recruited baseball prospect who
Speaker 8: visited noted baseball school Vanderbilt. The weekend the upset number
Speaker 8: one Alabama. There's field storming number one. The next week,
Speaker 8: seventeen year old and his dad are in Eugene, Oregon
Speaker 8: visiting the Ducks, and then they're at their Ohio State game.
Speaker 8: Ducks go on to win against number two Ohio State,
Speaker 8: field storming number two. The next weekend, the six to
Speaker 8: eight right handed pitcher was in Knoxville for a recruiting
Speaker 8: visit with the defending champs. When the Balls beat Bama,
Speaker 8: field storming trifec to complete. Said the seventeen year old Morse, quote,
Speaker 8: I won't lie to you. I'm living my best life.
Speaker 8: Un Quote Dick. There's no guarantee that if you have
Speaker 8: a first and last name with Gary Moose somewhere in it,
Speaker 8: you'll live the life of a three time major college
Speaker 8: fields dorming sought after recruit.
Speaker 1: But you never know.
Speaker 4: And it didn't cost him a dime, even though schools
Speaker 4: probably had to pay fines.
Speaker 1: But it didn't cost him anything.
Speaker 4: And now he has that's right, and he has memories
Speaker 4: that are priceless.
Speaker 1: We'll come back and throw some hot reeds at Gary.
Speaker 4: In just a minute, you're on a Big Blue Sider
Speaker 4: six point thirty wlap.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Big Blue Insider. We have heard
Speaker 1: two guys.
Speaker 4: In a six pack from our West n Bureau chief,
Speaker 4: Gary More time to throw a couple of hot reeds
Speaker 4: at him and Gary.
Speaker 1: Earlier in the show, I talked.
Speaker 4: About the Dwayne Wade statue. It's been unveiled. I can
Speaker 4: hear your reaction already in Miami. And again, Kenny Smith
Speaker 4: tried to be polite. Charles Barkley was Charles, but Charles
Speaker 4: is known for his blunt honesty, if not just his
Speaker 4: opinions in general. But I got a side with Troy,
Speaker 4: and I appreciate Kenny saying, you know, this guy put
Speaker 4: in a lot of time and work and effort and
Speaker 4: all that. But I I got a side with the
Speaker 4: Chuck Wagon on this one.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 8: That is a terrible, terrible statue pandemonic looking huh oh man.
Speaker 8: You know, the history with sports statues is very sketchy.
Speaker 8: Either you nail it or it's kind of not good.
Speaker 8: And we'll go back to nineteen sixty eight. They said
Speaker 8: pretty much the same thing about the stand Musual statue,
Speaker 8: remember that the very first, the tall statue, the very
Speaker 8: first one that was ever at Bush Stadium outside the ballpark. Yeah,
Speaker 8: and it was always the thing, Well, you know, whe're
Speaker 8: you going to be. We'll meet you at the game
Speaker 8: where you want to go. That's so huge, We'll meet
Speaker 8: me at the statue. That's always the thing that you
Speaker 8: know you do an you right?
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 8: Jack Buck later in many of his speeches to groups,
Speaker 8: would say, I know the statue is bronze, but the
Speaker 8: guy who did it must have been stoned because it
Speaker 8: didn't resilutely really resemble him. And Musual worked with him
Speaker 8: on the stands and stuff like that, but it got
Speaker 8: really I'll never forget. I got really criticized about that.
Speaker 8: I thought it was kind of cool. Same with a
Speaker 8: bunch of other statues. They said the same thing about
Speaker 8: the Shack statue outside of Staples, Well that doesn't really
Speaker 8: look like Shack. So there's been a lot of blowback
Speaker 8: on some of these statues. Some of them are are
Speaker 8: perfect righte on. You never hear about the ones, Hey,
Speaker 8: this is really good, but you always hear about the
Speaker 8: bad ones like this.
Speaker 1: That's the job, right to capture the.
Speaker 8: Subject can make it look like tough man. Do you
Speaker 8: remember the Ronaldo statue that or the bust? Oh they
Speaker 8: actually redid that they did it was still kind of.
Speaker 4: Eh, yeah, that's the first thing I thought of. Can
Speaker 4: they fix this? Can they redo it? Or is the
Speaker 4: artist standing by the artist?
Speaker 8: The sculptor says that nobody could have done a better
Speaker 8: job than him. He said, he's dead it because I'm
Speaker 8: proud of it. You know, Dwayne worked with me and
Speaker 8: he said, I'm proud of it. Nobody could do a
Speaker 8: better job. Okay, And you know.
Speaker 4: What if Dwayne's okay with it, I guess I'm okay
Speaker 4: with it. But I just have a hard time. Are
Speaker 4: a second hot read again? Going back to the Yankees
Speaker 4: Dodgers game last night. You being a Dodgers fan, but
Speaker 4: two guys wrestle with Mookie Bets. It's a bart Man moment,
Speaker 4: but not nearly the same because the game wasn't on
Speaker 4: the line. But it's not that they did that, Gary,
Speaker 4: it's the fact that the team kind of shrugged it off.
Speaker 1: You know, they're not banned.
Speaker 4: You know, they were escorted from the stadium, which they
Speaker 4: should have been, but at the very least they should
Speaker 4: not be allowed back for the rest of the World Series.
Speaker 4: Some people said it should be a lifetime ban. I
Speaker 4: don't think so, because you know, they were in their spot.
Speaker 4: I don't know if they're entitled to do that. I
Speaker 4: don't know what the fine princess on the back of
Speaker 4: the ticket stubs, but I'm amazed or maybe it shouldn't
Speaker 4: be that the Yankees are shrugged off.
Speaker 8: Well, yeah, I think one of the guys, if not
Speaker 8: both are season ticket holders. They said, and the brother
Speaker 8: of one said, well, you know, Mookie was swearing at
Speaker 8: us afterwards.
Speaker 1: Not good.
Speaker 8: Well, when was the last time you saw New Yorker
Speaker 8: complain about somebody swearing at them? That's that's the national
Speaker 8: language of New York City, is blake. Yeah, hey, thanks
Speaker 8: for perpetuating every bad stereotype about Yankees fans while you're
Speaker 8: at it. That was terrible. This is where MLB should
Speaker 8: come in and say, you know what, these guys are
Speaker 8: are not going to have season tickets next year?
Speaker 1: They're gone.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they should have and they should have kept them
Speaker 8: out for the whole game. It was like one of
Speaker 8: those now boys, don't do that again. I get out
Speaker 8: there and do that again.
Speaker 1: If you get a chance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right exactly.
Speaker 8: And then of the course the fans were proplauding them
Speaker 8: coming up. They're like, hey, good job, wait to try
Speaker 8: and steal the game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, now, I'm with you, and they One of the
Speaker 4: I think CNN or so many found one of the
Speaker 4: guys later in a sports bar and the guy said, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, we talked about it. That's our spot, that's
Speaker 4: our space. So I don't expect Major League Baseball to
Speaker 4: lift a finger, and uh, maybe they'll surprises.
Speaker 1: You can find my man.
Speaker 8: Gary on ex or Twitter, whatever you'd like to call
Speaker 8: it at at nine to five five Gary, same joint.
Speaker 1: You're located at Big Blue Insider one. We'll see you
Speaker 1: next week. Go Dodgers, go Toppers.
Speaker 4: And that I'll do it for now, thanks to my
Speaker 4: I guess Gary Moore, to doctor Ben Kipler, and to
Speaker 4: the unforgettable guard Sean Woods.
Speaker 1: Reminder.
Speaker 4: UK Football seven forty five kickoff on Saturday night. We'll
Speaker 4: have pregame coverage for you at five thirty with Christy
Speaker 4: and Logan and Jeremy and then Tom Leech, Jeff Piccoor
Speaker 4: and I will have the action as the Cats try
Speaker 4: to upset the balls down in Cannocksville. Not impossible, Paul order.
Speaker 1: But we'll see if they can get it down. That's
Speaker 1: a good night from the garage in Lexington.
Speaker 9: We really must be going. Thank you for a memorable afternoon.
Speaker 9: Usually one must go to a bowling alley to meet
Speaker 9: a woman of your statue, Da