WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:04.320 Oh, oh, guess what day it is. Guess what day 2 00:00:04.440 --> 00:00:04.919 it is? 3 00:00:05.440 --> 00:00:11.919 Huh, anybody, it's hump Day. 4 00:00:12.439 --> 00:00:14.519 Well, you know, we're gonna go two for thirteen in 5 00:00:14.560 --> 00:00:17.000 the first nine minutes, sometimes in the three point line 6 00:00:17.000 --> 00:00:19.199 when it is shots that we're earning, and we're gonna 7 00:00:19.239 --> 00:00:21.559 keep shooting. It's a beautiful way to play. And you 8 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:24.039 know what BBN is gonna learn is they're gonna just 9 00:00:24.079 --> 00:00:25.960 be like, Okay, this is really hard right now, but 10 00:00:26.039 --> 00:00:27.399 it's coming. Like it's coming. 11 00:00:28.320 --> 00:00:31.800 That's Mark Pope reassuring Kentucky fans that, yeah, even though 12 00:00:31.839 --> 00:00:34.679 the threes might not be falling at the beginning of 13 00:00:34.679 --> 00:00:37.560 a game, you don't need to panic. Just get used 14 00:00:37.560 --> 00:00:40.119 to it, because you're gonna see, as he promised, you're 15 00:00:40.119 --> 00:00:43.000 gonna see this Kentucky team chuck up a lot of threes, 16 00:00:43.039 --> 00:00:45.640 and they're gonna be times when they don't go down. 17 00:00:45.759 --> 00:00:48.960 But just hang with him, he says, and for the 18 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:51.399 most part, all will be well. And as we welcome 19 00:00:51.439 --> 00:00:54.600 you to this Hump Day edition of The Big lew Insider, 20 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:57.479 Dick abro with you on a Wednesday. Now, the exhibitions 21 00:00:57.479 --> 00:01:00.960 are over and it begins for real week for both 22 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:03.280 the men and the women, and we'll talk a lot 23 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:06.920 of Kentucky basketball tonight. We'll also talk with our unforgettable 24 00:01:06.959 --> 00:01:09.560 guard Sean Woods. He will join us coming up at 25 00:01:09.560 --> 00:01:12.040 the bottom of this hour. Coming up an hour number two, 26 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:14.920 we're gonna meet with doctor Ben Kibler. He's an old friend, 27 00:01:14.959 --> 00:01:17.560 he's been on the show before and I wanted to 28 00:01:17.599 --> 00:01:19.040 talk to him as we're in the middle of the 29 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:24.359 World Series about once again, Tommy John's surgery. Now seems 30 00:01:24.439 --> 00:01:29.120 like the real answer for any pitcher who wants to 31 00:01:29.120 --> 00:01:32.239 add two or three miles to the priority was fastball. 32 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:34.799 And there was a story on CBS Sunday Morning the 33 00:01:34.879 --> 00:01:38.680 other day about a young guy who threw out his arm. 34 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:41.040 He's coming back, he believes fully he'll be a major 35 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:45.400 leaguer better than ever with Tommy John surgery. But there's 36 00:01:45.439 --> 00:01:48.519 so much more to it than that, because we're also 37 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:52.239 talking about UK baseball as the Wildcats wrapped up the 38 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:56.560 fall portion of their schedule their season, So we'll talk 39 00:01:56.560 --> 00:01:59.079 about doctor Kert, talk to doctor Kibler, and then in 40 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:02.239 hour number two is well Weston buer chief Gary Moore. 41 00:02:02.560 --> 00:02:05.400 But I need to talk about these Wildcats who came 42 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:08.439 out last night and they were cold. We saw that 43 00:02:09.240 --> 00:02:12.159 and missed eleven of their first thirteen, and then they 44 00:02:12.199 --> 00:02:15.639 got hot. Looked like a different team. 45 00:02:15.879 --> 00:02:16.400 Didn't they. 46 00:02:16.719 --> 00:02:20.639 Jackson Robinson hid eight of them, all twenty four of 47 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:24.479 his points coming from beyond the arc. What a smooth stroke. 48 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:27.360 And he was in the interview room as Mark Pope 49 00:02:27.400 --> 00:02:30.199 walked by to come out to Tom Leech, and he 50 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:35.159 actually did. Pope chimed in with a question among the reporters, Jacks, were. 51 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:37.280 You frustrated you only got twelve threes off tonight? 52 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:46.000 No, I'm not got here, coach. Well, he had the 53 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:47.199 ready answer, didn't they know? 54 00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:51.120 I'm not frustrated that I only got off twelve threes. 55 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:54.520 Show one two pointer. All the rest were three pointers. 56 00:02:55.120 --> 00:02:59.360 And his teammates, of course, did the same thing. They 57 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:02.599 took three when they had him, some of them took 58 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:05.560 threes when they didn't have them, And Pope talked about 59 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:06.199 that as well. 60 00:03:06.319 --> 00:03:09.639 It was interesting. He used some terms. 61 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:13.400 Like belligerent and karma and things like that. But the 62 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:15.879 myss threes are going to be a part of it 63 00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:18.599 because you don't have to hit fifty or sixty percent 64 00:03:19.199 --> 00:03:22.159 to make them effective. So Pope basically said to Tom 65 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:24.639 Leach on the post game show and of the fans 66 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:29.000 assembled and the fans listening, get ready because. 67 00:03:28.719 --> 00:03:31.120 Here they come, all got nervous, right, You're like, are 68 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:34.080 they really gonna keep shooting these threes? Man, they missed nine? 69 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:34.759 I think you are. 70 00:03:34.919 --> 00:03:35.919 It's gonna be dramatic. 71 00:03:36.360 --> 00:03:38.479 Let me tell you that there's been a lot of drama. 72 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:39.120 Don't miss a game. 73 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:40.240 It's gonna be really dramatic. 74 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:40.800 I can't wait. 75 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:46.439 I didn't love us in the first half shooting because guys, 76 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:49.039 we could have a long, long conversation about this. We 77 00:03:49.039 --> 00:03:52.360 don't have time for it tonight, but we were You know, 78 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:54.479 this happens all the time. The teams we made twenty 79 00:03:54.520 --> 00:03:57.479 one last game and shots fifty percent, and you get 80 00:03:57.560 --> 00:03:59.759 tricked and be like, wow, if I just throw the 81 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:01.479 ball up in there, it's going to go through the hoop, 82 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:04.120 And don't really need to earn them the way we 83 00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:06.479 earn them, And we start out the game a little 84 00:04:06.479 --> 00:04:08.479 bit belligerent, which we're going to be in that space 85 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:09.919 sometimes shooting the. 86 00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:12.840 Ball where we weren't earning them. We weren't earning. 87 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:13.479 Them for each other. 88 00:04:14.120 --> 00:04:14.680 The game. 89 00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:18.920 The game rewards you when you play it correctly. 90 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:20.279 And when you earn. 91 00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:22.040 Shots for your teammate, and we kind of lost a 92 00:04:22.040 --> 00:04:23.800 little of that vibe and there are a bunch of 93 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:25.360 actually real reasons for that. 94 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:29.920 Well to his comment at the very beginning, y'all got nervous, 95 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:33.759 Yeah they did. You could feel the twittering and no 96 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:37.040 pun intended in the Rupp Arena crowd. As the three 97 00:04:37.399 --> 00:04:40.560 didn't drop, you could hear the groans, but it was 98 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:45.480 also this palpable feeling of nervousness among Kentucky fans. But 99 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:49.079 boy did debt change when the threes began to drop. 100 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:53.839 It wasn't a pretty game, but it gave the coaching 101 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:57.480 staff a lot to work with. And Pope said something 102 00:04:57.519 --> 00:05:01.439 that the prior head coach used to say all the time, basically, 103 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:04.720 I'm condensing it, but we needed a game like this 104 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:09.079 to learn. Every coach says that every coach feels that way. 105 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:10.399 Pope is no different. 106 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:13.720 It was a I'm really proud of our guys. It 107 00:05:13.759 --> 00:05:15.519 was actually a very important night for us because we 108 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:17.399 had some opportunities where we didn't quite feel right on 109 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:19.879 the court, and we had some weird rotations, some weird 110 00:05:19.879 --> 00:05:23.680 lineups from are going down early. You know, we got 111 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:25.639 us a little weird. We had some weird fatigue on 112 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:28.079 the floor, and so all of that led ourselves to 113 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:29.720 be in a situation where we kind of had to 114 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:33.079 fix things and we came to a timeout, guys looking 115 00:05:33.079 --> 00:05:35.279 around like, man, it doesn't feel quite right. And we 116 00:05:35.519 --> 00:05:38.240 needed that so much. It was actually a real gift 117 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:40.120 playing against a terrific team. 118 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:44.480 In fact, it was a Minnesota State man Cato team 119 00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:47.920 that had to score twenty two twenty I think after 120 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:52.279 the second TV timeout, maybe early in the game, and 121 00:05:52.319 --> 00:05:55.480 then the Wildcats going to run. The threes begin to fall, 122 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:59.360 and now you see what Kentucky will be. Well, I 123 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:02.959 don't care there when the shots go down up tempo 124 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:06.800 transition offense from your defense, which is why Pope said, 125 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:09.920 don't worry if the shots don't go down right away, 126 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:10.480 you know. 127 00:06:10.399 --> 00:06:12.439 We're gonna be two for eleven. Sometimes that doesn't phase 128 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:14.000 me at all. It's gonna make you all nervous, but 129 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:16.639 doesn't phase me. The thing that was concerned to me 130 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:19.160 was the shots that we were taking weren't the threes 131 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:21.800 that we love. And then we didn't have our normal 132 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:23.720 presence on the offensive glass. 133 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:27.720 And that is where you need to worry because This 134 00:06:27.800 --> 00:06:33.399 is not an entirely huge, big, physical, banging Kentucky team. 135 00:06:34.399 --> 00:06:38.920 And if you are missing your three point shots, it's 136 00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:41.160 essentially you know, one and done the guys who've got 137 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:45.360 it going the other way. So you've got to rebound. 138 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:48.439 You know, you've got to keep the other guys off 139 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:51.360 the glass. Guards have to rebound. Kentucky only won the 140 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:55.639 Battle of the boards thirty nine, the thirty seven and 141 00:06:55.680 --> 00:06:58.959 the leading rebounder now again, Amari Williams, was out injured, 142 00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:01.279 and Pope said he did know at that point last night, 143 00:07:01.319 --> 00:07:04.639 of course what the extent of the injury was. But 144 00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:10.240 minus Williams, who had two rebounds in three minutes, Jackson 145 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:15.319 Robinson led Kentucky with six rebounds, and yeah, everybody got out. 146 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:19.959 Everybody got to play, at least with a couple of exceptions. 147 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:25.720 Seventeen minutes, Almanor had five rebounds. In nineteen minutes, Lamont 148 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:32.680 Butler had five assists and three steals, stuffing the statuet. 149 00:07:33.800 --> 00:07:36.720 But rebounds will be an issue for this team. If 150 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:39.000 you're going to miss, yeah, go ahead and shoot your threes, 151 00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:43.319 but if you miss it, go get it. So many 152 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:47.199 other things that the Wildcats did well, fast break points 153 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:51.680 thirty five and held Minnesota State, which is not known 154 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:57.680 as a fast breaking team, to just eight and Wildcats 155 00:07:57.720 --> 00:08:02.720 hit for the game d four percent thirty seven to 156 00:08:02.800 --> 00:08:10.360 sixty nine. It what twenty four of thirty two from 157 00:08:10.439 --> 00:08:14.279 two point land. And what I find interesting is, and 158 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:17.480 they did this last night, is when they pass up 159 00:08:17.759 --> 00:08:20.680 what looks like a pretty good shot for two for 160 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:25.360 a three pointer, and that's what they do. You know, 161 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:27.720 they'll make that extra pass and try to get the three. 162 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:30.759 But if you do that and you miss, you better 163 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:33.039 go get it. So it's going to be interesting to 164 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:37.360 see how that plays out whenever Williams gets back Kentucky 165 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:40.840 in the first I think after the first TV timeout, 166 00:08:40.919 --> 00:08:44.840 which was the first four minutes plus at five turnovers, 167 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:48.440 I tweeted about this last night. Five turnovers. That was 168 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:53.480 one of the reasons, the biggest reason, frankly besides the missus, 169 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:57.120 that Minnesota State was able to hang with the Wildcats. 170 00:08:57.919 --> 00:09:03.159 But from that point forward, three more turnovers, only three, 171 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:07.279 which I find incredible given the pace that they play at. 172 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:12.240 And even better than that, twenty eight assists on thirty 173 00:09:12.279 --> 00:09:17.799 seven made baskets. That's incredible. Won't always be that great, 174 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:22.879 but that's pretty impressive. During his postgame show, Pope showed 175 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:27.080 off the Devin Booker Nike shoe that he was wearing, 176 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:32.759 and he told the crowd something he already knew about 177 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:36.039 Devin Booker, but he brought it home because it's something 178 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:39.559 he from Afar had noticed and kept in the back 179 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:42.039 of his mind about the former Wildcat. 180 00:09:42.320 --> 00:09:45.200 Think about Devin Booker, I tell his story all the time. Okay, 181 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:47.600 Devin book here came here and played on one of 182 00:09:47.639 --> 00:09:50.440 the all time greatest teams to ever play at the 183 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:55.440 University of Kentucky, came in as a superstar player, never 184 00:09:55.600 --> 00:09:59.639 started one game his entire career at the University Kentucky 185 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:03.200 twenty minutes game, scored ten points a game, shot forty 186 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:05.519 two percent for the three point line, and had one 187 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:08.840 of the epic seasons ever in the history Kentucky, and 188 00:10:08.919 --> 00:10:11.759 now is on his way to probably win an MVP 189 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:13.639 this year and next year in the NBA is But 190 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:15.240 the top five guy in the league for the last 191 00:10:15.279 --> 00:10:18.519 couple years is just extraordinary representative of the NBA and 192 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:20.840 Kentucky and we had to wear our guys suit man. 193 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:21.919 Come on, maybe what. 194 00:10:23.399 --> 00:10:25.480 Booker's been in the NBA now with eight or nine 195 00:10:25.559 --> 00:10:27.679 years and has developed into one of the best players 196 00:10:27.720 --> 00:10:34.000 in the world. Is high career high seventy. But I'll 197 00:10:34.039 --> 00:10:36.240 always remember him being on the bench when the Wildcats 198 00:10:36.279 --> 00:10:39.679 couldn't get a shot against Wisconsin in the Final four. 199 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:45.200 Three straight times Kentucky was called for shot clock violation, 200 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:49.360 couldn't get off a shot. Devin Booker on the bench again. 201 00:10:49.679 --> 00:10:53.159 We'll never forget that. So what's now? What's next for 202 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:55.840 the Wildcats? Pope talked about that as you wrap things 203 00:10:55.919 --> 00:10:56.960 up every. 204 00:10:56.840 --> 00:10:59.200 Day, we're just starving to find it every possible. Weity 205 00:10:59.320 --> 00:11:01.000 got to get better. We were hoping from these two 206 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:03.639 exhibitions we get some data. We got some great data 207 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:07.519 and experience tonight and so now it's on to you know, 208 00:11:08.039 --> 00:11:12.759 it's for real. So don't miss Monday. Guys, come here 209 00:11:12.960 --> 00:11:17.279 Monday and let's go to war the way that BBN does. 210 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:18.159 We beat you. 211 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:20.120 Guys here, come, let's come get this done and then 212 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:22.639 we'll go vote Tuesday, and we'll be back in here 213 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:25.320 Friday night against buck Nell. And it's on. 214 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:28.679 It is on, coming up on Monday. 215 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:31.159 It is the regular season as a Wildcat stick on 216 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:35.039 Wright State seven o'clock tip time and then the following 217 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:37.360 game is actually Saturday. I think he said Friday, but 218 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:40.840 it's Saturday, and the Cats will play host to buck Nell. 219 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:45.799 The women minus exhibition games open play on Monday. Well, 220 00:11:45.799 --> 00:11:48.240 I don't know why they're scheduled like this. The women 221 00:11:48.279 --> 00:11:50.440 play at five, the men play at seven. If you're 222 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:53.399 home watching TV, then yeah, you're good. You're going to 223 00:11:53.480 --> 00:11:57.360 see the women's game on SEC Plus and the men 224 00:11:57.399 --> 00:12:00.600 on the SEC Network. But you know, there might be 225 00:12:00.600 --> 00:12:02.240 people who want to go to both games, and some 226 00:12:02.279 --> 00:12:05.440 will probably try. But anyway, it's just an odd way 227 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:08.480 to schedule. But they play at five o'clock at Historic 228 00:12:08.840 --> 00:12:13.039 Memorial Coliseum and get things started under Kenny Brooks. 229 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:14.720 Up next, we're. 230 00:12:14.519 --> 00:12:17.000 Going to talk about the World Series, but also the 231 00:12:17.159 --> 00:12:21.279 hideous statue of Dwayne Wade. Charles Barkley, Sir Charles the 232 00:12:21.399 --> 00:12:23.960 chuck Wagon has weighed in. Yes, of course he has. 233 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:26.360 You can imagine what he has to say. We'll have 234 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:31.000 it for you next on six thirty WLAP Welcome back 235 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:32.720 to the Big Blue Cider. Coming up in just a 236 00:12:32.720 --> 00:12:35.399 few minutes, Unforgettable Guard to Shawan Woods. A little bit 237 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:38.840 later on our West End Bureau Chief Gary Moore will join. 238 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:41.480 Us much to talk about when it comes. 239 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:43.240 To the World Series, and of course, if you're a 240 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:44.840 Yankees fan, you're still alive. 241 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:50.759 But how about the numbers for the Dodgers in Japan. 242 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:54.600 CNN did a big story, and this is fairly obvious 243 00:12:54.679 --> 00:12:56.840 that you're going to get a lot of viewers in 244 00:12:56.960 --> 00:12:59.200 Japan of the La Dodgers, but I didn't know that 245 00:12:59.240 --> 00:13:04.279 I expected this many. Fifteen point nine million for last 246 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:08.240 night's game, a Yankees win, of course, but fifteen point 247 00:13:08.360 --> 00:13:11.799 nine million in just about all the games have been 248 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:17.440 rated like that in Japan because essentially because of Showhey, 249 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:21.360 this isn't a country with approximately one hundred and twenty 250 00:13:21.399 --> 00:13:25.240 four and a half million people. The US has nearly 251 00:13:25.360 --> 00:13:28.480 three times that many. But of course you've got so 252 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:34.080 much national pride happening right now in Japan, and international 253 00:13:34.120 --> 00:13:38.120 baseball is paying off. If you're wondering why pro leagues 254 00:13:38.799 --> 00:13:41.840 are branching out, the NFL's playing overseas, the NBA is 255 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:47.360 playing overseas, and now Baseball for years has signed players 256 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:52.519 from foreign countries, and it's it's adding up for the 257 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:56.639 US and for Major League Baseball. And I'm not entirely 258 00:13:56.679 --> 00:14:01.519 certain how it creates dollars in sixes for teams. But 259 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:05.120 I can tell you this that the city of Los Angeles, 260 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:11.440 the tourism, it's enormous. Now. A Japanese travel agency told 261 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:15.399 CNN it was booking up to two hundred clients from 262 00:14:15.519 --> 00:14:22.960 Japan for each Dodgers home game this season. Dodgers jumped 263 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:27.159 on the phenomenon by adding twelve new Japanese sponsors. So 264 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:31.320 that's one way of making the dollars and cents work. 265 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:36.960 Japanese language, stadium tours, new menu items designed for Japanese 266 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:39.440 fans for the fan experience. Look, you're not going to 267 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:41.879 get that at every Major League ballpark, but on the 268 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:48.600 West Coast better believe it, maybe even Texas and Colorado 269 00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:53.080 and Arizona. Major League baseball in general has shown a 270 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:59.440 two hundred and twenty five percent increase in social media engagement, 271 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:04.879 with views across various platforms rising by two hundred and 272 00:15:04.919 --> 00:15:08.440 twenty nine percent. So if you think there's no interest 273 00:15:08.519 --> 00:15:11.440 in baseball, you're looking in the wrong direction. And it's 274 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:18.480 not just showhy. The Dodgers signed Yoshinobu Yamamoto last offseason 275 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:24.080 twelve year deal three hundred and twenty five million an 276 00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:27.200 He won game two through six and a third innings 277 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:30.679 against the Yankees, gave up just one hit, and that 278 00:15:30.759 --> 00:15:32.360 cranked things up in Japan. 279 00:15:32.399 --> 00:15:33.240 You better believe it. 280 00:15:34.919 --> 00:15:38.720 So, yeah, we may be looking at a sport that 281 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:44.480 is just kind of fading in America among Americans, but 282 00:15:44.600 --> 00:15:46.759 worldwide it's happening. 283 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:48.200 Now. 284 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:51.960 Last night's game will be remembered for a number of things, 285 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:58.559 but probably because of the two idiots and right field 286 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:03.279 who tried to stealing out from the Dodgers and Mookie Best. 287 00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:07.240 Did you see this twisting foul ball? Mooki Best goes 288 00:16:07.279 --> 00:16:10.799 down the line, leaps with his glove over the wall, 289 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:16.159 catches a foul ball for an out. Two fans grab him, 290 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:19.960 one grabs his wrist, the other grabs the glove and 291 00:16:20.080 --> 00:16:24.480 prize the ball out of the mitt, and of course 292 00:16:24.559 --> 00:16:29.000 it immediately is ruled an out. Umpire running down the line, 293 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:35.480 one hand grabbing the other, signifying interference fan interference, and 294 00:16:35.559 --> 00:16:37.799 these two guys are kicked out of the ballpark. But 295 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:42.360 you know what, the Yankees have said, they'll be allowed 296 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:43.000 to come back. 297 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:46.120 There'll be no lifetime ban. No. 298 00:16:46.120 --> 00:16:48.879 Now you wonder had they and you know, and again 299 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:51.480 they try to steal it out but didn't. But had 300 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:55.320 they stolen it out from the Yankees, you gotta wonder. Well, 301 00:16:55.360 --> 00:16:59.720 they have been banned forever in Yankee Stadium. And by 302 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:01.960 the way, way, this is also a fan base, and 303 00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:07.279 this is one guy, but it reflects so poorly on 304 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:11.599 the entire fan base. There was the moment during the 305 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:17.400 game that everything stopped on TV and anybody you wished 306 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:20.559 to grabbed a sign and wrote down the name of 307 00:17:20.559 --> 00:17:24.400 a cancer victim or patient, and there was a long 308 00:17:24.480 --> 00:17:32.359 pause on television as America saw fans, players, broadcasters, camera 309 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:35.480 operators holding up those signs. I've done it at UK 310 00:17:35.680 --> 00:17:41.960 games in honor of my late cousin. And during this moment, 311 00:17:42.839 --> 00:17:48.359 some Yankee fans screams, f you, Freddie Freeman, and yeah, 312 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:53.720 I'd got out on TV. And somebody tweeted it and said, 313 00:17:53.759 --> 00:17:56.559 worse fans in baseball. So there you go, one guy 314 00:17:57.160 --> 00:18:04.559 reflecting on million. It's unfortunate, but it happened. One more 315 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:06.599 baseball note. If you're a white Sox fan, I don't 316 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:09.000 know if it matters, but will Vennable as your new manager? 317 00:18:09.240 --> 00:18:15.119 They've had forty four managers in franchise history. That says 318 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:17.839 a lot, but at one point he was a special 319 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:21.279 assistant to theo Epstein when they were with the Cubs, 320 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:24.359 was a first base coach for the Cubs, was their 321 00:18:24.440 --> 00:18:27.759 third base coach, bench coach for the Red Sox, and 322 00:18:29.079 --> 00:18:33.359 was the associate manager to Bruce Boshi with the Rangers 323 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:36.240 for the last couple of years and helped the Rangers 324 00:18:36.279 --> 00:18:39.319 win a World Series in twenty three. 325 00:18:39.640 --> 00:18:40.920 So he's got. 326 00:18:40.720 --> 00:18:44.960 Some some rep he's got some resume. Juice. 327 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:46.799 Don't know if it's going to help the White Sox 328 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:48.599 in the NBA. 329 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:51.000 Last night, I always, of course check and see what 330 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:53.920 Charles Barkley's up to, and I knew he would have 331 00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:58.400 a comment because I got to look at the Dwayne 332 00:18:58.400 --> 00:18:59.319 Wade statue. 333 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:02.359 Have you seen this monstrosity? 334 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:07.279 I'm stunned, and I've got to think that I would 335 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:11.440 least hope, but maybe maybe this is the answer. Maybe 336 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:18.359 nobody saw it while it was being created. And the 337 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:22.160 face it looks like an alien I don't know any 338 00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:24.000 other or like a cartoon. 339 00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:26.359 I don't know any other way to describe it. 340 00:19:26.440 --> 00:19:31.519 Now. On TNT's postgame show or pregame last night, they 341 00:19:31.599 --> 00:19:34.279 talked about it, and Kenny the Jet Smith said it was, 342 00:19:34.319 --> 00:19:37.119 and he's trying to be polite and kind. It's an 343 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:41.599 animated moment, he kept saying, And yes, it was, so 344 00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:50.519 what don't pick that moment to capture for posterity forever? Ostensibly, 345 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:57.880 Dwayne Wade outside the arena in Miami, pick a moment 346 00:19:58.480 --> 00:20:00.680 where his face is not con horn it so he 347 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:02.440 looks like himself. 348 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:04.559 But they didn't. 349 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:08.359 And Charles Barkley weigh in, as you knew you would. 350 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:11.200 But obviously a great a great honor for d Wait, that's. 351 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:11.680 A great honor. 352 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:13.039 But they got to take that thing down. 353 00:20:14.279 --> 00:20:15.720 Animated, not anime. 354 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:18.200 You made an animated face, and then they made a bronche. 355 00:20:18.319 --> 00:20:19.519 You made an ugly statue. 356 00:20:19.519 --> 00:20:22.039 That's what it would look like. That thing's awful. 357 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:22.759 It's not awful. 358 00:20:24.920 --> 00:20:28.640 Look he's making it. He's making an animated face. A 359 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:31.319 moment that was after he saw the statue right there, 360 00:20:32.839 --> 00:20:34.400 that's the face he made. 361 00:20:35.279 --> 00:20:37.200 One of the best, one of the best reactions I 362 00:20:37.240 --> 00:20:37.799 saw was that. 363 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:40.680 Look if you showed that to a thousand people and 364 00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:43.279 didn't say who had their who just got a statue? 365 00:20:43.680 --> 00:20:45.640 Would you ever say, oh, yeah, that's say. 366 00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:49.359 The way Waite making an animated face, you know, the 367 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:51.480 statue was so bad they had to put all his 368 00:20:51.559 --> 00:20:52.400 status behind us. 369 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:54.480 So you know who it was I got. 370 00:20:54.680 --> 00:20:59.119 He shout out to the statue maker. Man, Yeah, put 371 00:20:59.160 --> 00:21:01.920 all that time and I'm kill get your education next time. 372 00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:06.480 All I will say is this, Dwayne Wade must have 373 00:21:06.640 --> 00:21:09.279 signed off on it. If he's okay with it, I'm 374 00:21:09.359 --> 00:21:13.279 okay with it. But his statues go, that's one of 375 00:21:13.279 --> 00:21:15.799 the worst I've seen. Haven't seen them all, but that's 376 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:17.920 one of the worst I've seen all right. Coming up 377 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:21.039 next Sean Woods, the Unforgettable Guard. We'll talk about last 378 00:21:21.079 --> 00:21:24.680 night's Kentucky basketball game, but also we'll listen back to 379 00:21:24.720 --> 00:21:28.200 some comments from a former SEC coach that you could 380 00:21:28.200 --> 00:21:32.240 apply to just about every sport and just about every 381 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:35.000 coach in the game. Today here on the Big Blue 382 00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:36.720 Sider six thirty w l A P. 383 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:38.680 Welcome back to the Big Blue Sider. 384 00:21:38.720 --> 00:21:42.680 It is Wednesday, which means we visit with our unforgettable guard, 385 00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:45.559 Sean Woods. His jersey hangs in the rafters of Rupp 386 00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:50.200 and coach. Before I talk about Kentucky last night, I 387 00:21:50.279 --> 00:21:52.640 need to share a SoundBite You've already heard it, and 388 00:21:52.680 --> 00:21:56.119 I'll drop it in here from Conzo Martin as he 389 00:21:56.160 --> 00:21:57.480 talked about and this is kind of. 390 00:21:57.480 --> 00:21:58.039 An old one. 391 00:21:58.079 --> 00:22:00.400 I think he was still in MISSOI when he said it, 392 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:04.640 but it popped up on social media talking about how 393 00:22:05.079 --> 00:22:07.599 we're stealing the struggle of our kids. 394 00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:10.720 For me, I can only speak in my situation growing up. 395 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:14.440 When I called home, it's just my mom was grateful 396 00:22:14.440 --> 00:22:16.880 for me to have an opportunity to get a college degree. 397 00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:20.119 The basketball part she never really talked about. The basketball 398 00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:22.599 part is like, Okay, my son is happy. But it 399 00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:25.200 wasn't like how many minutes are you getting? There was 400 00:22:25.279 --> 00:22:27.559 never anything like that. And I was never a god 401 00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:29.400 it's gonna, you know, bail out or give anything like 402 00:22:29.400 --> 00:22:31.240 that because I couldn't my high school because what I'm 403 00:22:31.240 --> 00:22:34.079 gonna call him say, I'm not playing. I mean that 404 00:22:34.160 --> 00:22:35.640 has nothing to do with me. I mean that's what 405 00:22:35.680 --> 00:22:37.599 he say. I mean, you know what to do. And 406 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:40.960 so when you have that, Now, if you're being mistreated, 407 00:22:40.960 --> 00:22:43.519 that's one thing. But if it's just about the basketball piece, 408 00:22:44.559 --> 00:22:46.279 I say to parents all the time, let him go 409 00:22:46.319 --> 00:22:49.160 through that, because he'll grow in that. Whatever that is, 410 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:51.720 he'll grow in it. That's a lesson. If you allow 411 00:22:51.799 --> 00:22:53.480 me to continue to jump and make moves that will 412 00:22:53.519 --> 00:22:55.640 never grow. And then all of a sudden they become fathers, 413 00:22:56.559 --> 00:22:59.759 husbands and parents. They have some tough lessons, but they 414 00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:02.440 didn't get equipped to deal with those lessons at fifteen, sixteen, 415 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:04.200 seventeen eighteen. That was struggling in life. 416 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:06.720 Conzo is now at Missouri State. 417 00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:09.519 But as I played this for you before we went 418 00:23:09.559 --> 00:23:11.480 on the air, you were kind of chuckling because you've 419 00:23:11.720 --> 00:23:13.240 you've heard it from him before. 420 00:23:13.279 --> 00:23:17.240 But you've also said this before. And we sound like. 421 00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:19.000 A bunch of old guys, don't we when we talk 422 00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:20.440 about stealing the. 423 00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:21.640 Struggle from our kids. 424 00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:23.880 But and you want to make you you're a father 425 00:23:24.039 --> 00:23:26.599 as well as a coach. You want to make life 426 00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:30.039 better for your kids. But as a coach, how do 427 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:36.000 you balance that with knowing they need to learn difficult lessons. 428 00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:39.880 Well, first of all, as a coach, you're going to 429 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:43.359 go through, like you know, some tough lessons within your 430 00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:46.160 in your in your your young life. You know you 431 00:23:46.480 --> 00:23:50.359 can't you know you can't run away from it. You know, 432 00:23:50.599 --> 00:23:57.000 problems happen, you know, girlfriend school, Being an athlete, you're 433 00:23:57.000 --> 00:24:00.759 going to have trials and tribulations. You know, that's what 434 00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:03.720 makes you tougher, that's what makes you go through things. 435 00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:06.680 Because we all want to be a champion, we all 436 00:24:06.680 --> 00:24:09.880 want to be successful. But in the midst of that, 437 00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:12.400 you got to go through something, you know, and shoot, 438 00:24:12.440 --> 00:24:14.880 I'm going through something right now, you know what I mean. 439 00:24:15.039 --> 00:24:20.960 So you know, but it's it's called life. And you 440 00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:26.960 can't substitute things that that that occur that bodes you 441 00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:32.599 as a person throughout your lifetime. And nowadays we are 442 00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:39.519 trying to or I'm not saying we society has allowed 443 00:24:40.519 --> 00:24:46.480 kids to bypass some type of struggle to enhance their 444 00:24:46.519 --> 00:24:51.000 growth as individuals, and it's started to touch the athletic 445 00:24:51.079 --> 00:24:55.960 world and we've seen it verbatim right now with you 446 00:24:55.960 --> 00:25:00.400 know how easy it is to transfers, you know how 447 00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:03.440 easy it is to make money when you're not supposed 448 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:06.839 to be not supposed to be quote unquote a professional. 449 00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:12.640 You know, life has become much easier. Yeah, I'm a 450 00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:15.000 parent too. You know. Did I want my son to 451 00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:18.359 have a better life than me growing up? Yeah, but 452 00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:20.839 there still has to be some sort of discipline, some 453 00:25:20.960 --> 00:25:23.920 sort of struggle in order for them to have growth 454 00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:29.359 in their life. And you know, society for whatever reason 455 00:25:29.599 --> 00:25:34.640 is allowing us to allowing us to bypass this. And 456 00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:40.359 it's not good because I know I'm rambling, but there's 457 00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:44.119 such a gap now between you and me and young 458 00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:47.680 people anymore. And it's become evident now you know what 459 00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:52.039 I mean. You know what happened to constructive criticism, what 460 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:56.759 happened to discipline? What happened to telling the truth? For 461 00:25:56.839 --> 00:26:01.039 that matter? You know, did the truth hurt you and 462 00:26:01.119 --> 00:26:05.200 me growing up? Sure did, but it made us. Now 463 00:26:05.480 --> 00:26:10.279 I'm scared because these kids look at you now. When 464 00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:15.319 you do present these type of scenarios to them, they fold, 465 00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:19.839 they run, And the sad part about it is their 466 00:26:19.880 --> 00:26:23.039 parents know better, but their parents aren't doing better in 467 00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:26.839 sustaining them and making them go through something you. 468 00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:29.319 Played for that you played for Rick Patino, And I've 469 00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:33.319 heard stories from you, have heard stories from Cameron Mills 470 00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:36.160 just about just the way he treated you guys. 471 00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:38.599 And I remember one after you got out of school, 472 00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:38.960 you said, no. 473 00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:40.680 One's ever going to talk to me that way again. 474 00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:44.319 But you're tough on your players, but you were also successful. 475 00:26:46.160 --> 00:26:51.240 But can you mentioned discipline? Can you not have discipline 476 00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:56.880 without the aggressive for lack of a better term, style 477 00:26:56.880 --> 00:26:59.559 of coaching of a Rick Patino, because not everybody coaches 478 00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:02.359 that way, but a lot of different coaches have had success. 479 00:27:04.119 --> 00:27:09.640 Well, here's the deal. Aggressive and telling the truth. Aggressive 480 00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:13.559 and not allowing the same mistakes to happen over and 481 00:27:13.640 --> 00:27:19.079 over again. Aggressive and holding kids accountable to paying attention 482 00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:24.880 to detail, telling them the truth, not allowing them to 483 00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:29.440 run away from situations. You know, that's what we call aggressiveness. 484 00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:33.799 You know what I mean? Nowadays, you're walking on eggshell's 485 00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:36.960 coaching kids anymore, because one, you don't want them to leave, 486 00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:39.920 because you need their talents too. You know, I saw 487 00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:42.640 something on TV the other day. Can you coach a 488 00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:47.400 kid that's mad at you? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, 489 00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:51.119 coach a kid that's mad at you? I don't know anymore? 490 00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:55.079 You know what I'm saying. I really don't, because they 491 00:27:55.160 --> 00:27:57.480 quit so much that they're mad that you know, you know, 492 00:27:58.240 --> 00:28:01.079 they're gonna stop, They're gonna you know, call their mom, 493 00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:03.400 They're going to call their dad. You know, coaches on 494 00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:05.359 me today, I'm sick of this. You know, he's always 495 00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:07.680 on me about this and that. Well if he's always 496 00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:09.759 on you about that same stuff, well why don't you 497 00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:10.240 change it. 498 00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:16.200 You reason. There's a reason he's on you every day exactly. 499 00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:18.839 And if he wasn't on you, that means he didn't care. 500 00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:21.680 Because if he didn't care, he wouldn't waste his time 501 00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:24.680 and effort getting his blood pressure up going through the 502 00:28:24.759 --> 00:28:28.359 same things day in and day out. Who's the dummy? 503 00:28:28.519 --> 00:28:30.200 The coach is the dummy. You want to know why 504 00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:32.720 and be the same person and what they say about 505 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:35.119 in the same person. A person does things over and 506 00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:37.440 over again, it expects a different results. Well, we're the. 507 00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:41.079 Dummies, right, that's true. 508 00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:45.319 Uh, you know, And and the sports world is full 509 00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:49.880 of stories too about people who have been successful but 510 00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:53.079 wanted to quit called home and mom or dad said no, no, 511 00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:56.440 you're not coming home. You know, you're staying where you are. 512 00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:58.400 Toby Smith was one of those people. You know a 513 00:28:58.440 --> 00:28:59.359 lot of people like that. 514 00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:00.920 You know. 515 00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:04.279 I'm going to tell you a story, dick, And this 516 00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:12.160 is the truth. When Eddie Sutton left Okay, and we 517 00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:14.839 were going on probation, we were on the investigation and 518 00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:16.680 so on and so forth, and they were saying that 519 00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:18.480 we were not going to get to play on television. 520 00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:20.440 We weren't going to get a chance to go to 521 00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:23.680 the NCAA tournament. I had no idea who was going 522 00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:28.799 to become our coach, and whoever became our coach, I 523 00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:32.359 was hoping that I had some type of relationship with him. 524 00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:36.119 In a recruiting process, well, every coach that they brought 525 00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:39.039 in didn't recruit me come out of high school, and 526 00:29:39.079 --> 00:29:42.279 everybody recruited me, but it was just there was only 527 00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:45.279 a few that didn't recruit me hard and I didn't 528 00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:49.599 establish a relationship with And when that was starting to happen, 529 00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:54.240 I called my mom and I said, Mom, this is 530 00:29:54.279 --> 00:29:57.640 what's going on down here. We're gonna go on probation. 531 00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:00.960 You know, Coach Kasey, who was my mentor, who's the 532 00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:03.960 guy I really fell in love with and the reason 533 00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:07.119 why I came, you know, and he was the one 534 00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:10.920 who was becoming was the scapegoat. I didn't like that either, 535 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:14.640 So there was a trust factor. And I said, can 536 00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:19.400 you call the schools that were recruiting me and let 537 00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:23.200 them know that I'm opening up my recruitment and I 538 00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:27.279 would like to talk to him? And my mom didn't 539 00:30:27.319 --> 00:30:30.119 buy the nine. He said no, And I said, what 540 00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:32.960 do you mean no? I said, I can't stay here 541 00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:35.640 there's nothing here. Sean Kemp's leaving as my best friend 542 00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:38.440 Chris Mills got to leave. Eric Manu Camp is not 543 00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:41.200 no beble to play anymore. The coaches that recruited me 544 00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:43.440 are not gonna be here. The only thing I got 545 00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:45.559 is my grandmother and my family here. That's it. But 546 00:30:46.039 --> 00:30:49.960 the basketball piece in which I really came for, besides 547 00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:53.279 my grandmother is gonna be gone. And she said, nope, 548 00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:55.720 she goes, this is the first time you had to 549 00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:58.240 face the version as an adult, and you're gonna face 550 00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:00.519 the head on. Wow, and you're gonna deal with it. 551 00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:01.599 Wow. 552 00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:06.559 And by her saying that, I stayed the course and 553 00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:08.680 look at me now, I mean, who would have thought 554 00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:11.400 my jersey'd be retired at the most historical basketball program 555 00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:14.119 in America and I wasn't in all American. 556 00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:17.839 Interesting. I don't think you ever told me I have. 557 00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:21.400 A significant impact, you know, on a major university like 558 00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:24.160 I have, and that my other teammates had. You know, 559 00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:26.440 no one thought that. We didn't see that coming. 560 00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:30.599 Interesting. Oh a lot to your mom, don't you. 561 00:31:31.640 --> 00:31:34.519 Yeah. Now, my my mom's my mom. My wife has 562 00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:36.640 become my mom, and she's in me right now with 563 00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:39.240 some things that I'm going through because I'm at a 564 00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:42.880 cross road. So you know, if I didn't have those 565 00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:46.319 type of experiences, I would I would I would melt 566 00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:49.400 right now in this averse time in my life. So 567 00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:54.240 you know, it's it's a it comes twofold and you 568 00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:58.079 learned that at a young age and does life its easier? Know, 569 00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:01.279 life it's tougher. You know. The more you want to 570 00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:05.599 be successful, the more you know, trials and tribulations you 571 00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.359 know come your way. You know there's a price to pay. 572 00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:11.799 And I learned this, and I always told my kids this, 573 00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:14.920 especially when they come play from me. We have to 574 00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:19.000 get we have to get comfortable being uncomfortable. Yeah, true, 575 00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:22.480 being successful is very uncomfortable. I don't care how successful 576 00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:22.759 you are. 577 00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:24.960 He is Seawan Woods. 578 00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:28.400 He is an unforgettable guard because of his mom and 579 00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:29.079 other things. 580 00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:29.759 He worked hard. 581 00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:32.079 We'll come back and talk basketball with Sean on the 582 00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:34.400 other side of the break here on six thirty WLAP 583 00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:38.319 Welcome back. We're talking with unforgettable guard Sean Woods as 584 00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:40.240 Jersey hangs in the rafters of RUP. 585 00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:41.319 Speaking of RUP. 586 00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:44.000 Last night, the roof just about came off and Brandon 587 00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:47.160 Garrison threw down a dunk. But prior to that, a 588 00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:49.599 lot of three pointers went up. Very few of them 589 00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:51.440 went in at first, and then they started to rain 590 00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:55.400 down on Minnesota State. Man Cato and the Wildcats wrapped 591 00:32:55.440 --> 00:33:00.599 up their exhibition season. I know that these games valuable 592 00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:04.359 for you coaches, Sean, because now you've got either data 593 00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:07.039 or film, whatever you want to call it. But it's 594 00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:09.279 a great way to study what you have going into 595 00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:10.559 the regular season, isn't it. 596 00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:13.920 Oh, no doubt about it. You know, every game is important, 597 00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:15.799 no matter if you're playing system areas are the poor. 598 00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:18.599 It's just the fact that you you know, for the 599 00:33:18.640 --> 00:33:20.799 first time, you you know, you get to put just 600 00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:24.640 five guys out there, and you want to see who's 601 00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:27.960 your best five. You want to see who plays better together, 602 00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:31.119 and you want to see and test your guys, you know, 603 00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:34.519 how they respond to different things that you know you 604 00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:38.319 can't see in practice. And I thought it was a 605 00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:43.880 great test, especially early in the game yesterday, with you 606 00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:47.519 know what Minnesota State presented to the Cats, and you know, 607 00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:51.640 I was very impressed. And you know, just by the 608 00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:54.119 way they stayed the course. You know, they stay with 609 00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:57.720 what they do. You know, shots weren't falling early but 610 00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:02.160 eventually they did, and I off the better they shot, 611 00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:05.759 the tougher they played defensive, yes, because I thought that 612 00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:08.880 I thought their defense was not was scary in the 613 00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:10.880 first half. I was like, oh man, it's gonna be 614 00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:12.920 If this is the way they're gonna play defense the 615 00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:15.239 rest of the year, we're in trouble. Because they didn't rebound, 616 00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:18.360 they didn't keep guys in front of them, right, you know, 617 00:34:18.440 --> 00:34:22.000 that team was getting layups. I thought that Kentucky was 618 00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:25.239 discombobulated and disorder you know, and not disciplined in the 619 00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:29.840 first half defensively on assignment especially, you know, switching and 620 00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:33.800 you know, so on them so forth. But you know, 621 00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:35.880 they stayed the course, they stayed with what they did 622 00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:40.840 and eventually they found their groove and you know, like 623 00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:43.519 that old saying, if that ball's going in, everything else 624 00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:46.400 feels great. So you know, the name of the game 625 00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:50.199 is basketball, and Billy Darvin always said, you know, good offense, 626 00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:51.800 good defense in the day of the week of the 627 00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:54.320 game be zero zero. So you know that was that 628 00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:58.519 was a prime indication of that of that quote. 629 00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:02.000 It's funny you mentioned defense speacause I'm watching Lamont Butler 630 00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:06.280 and I'm sort of I'm upstairs and I'm sort of 631 00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:08.440 at an angle off for one of the corners. I'm 632 00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:12.760 not flush with the court parallel, but that allows me 633 00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:16.519 to see the angles that players play. And I'm watching 634 00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:22.840 Butler just harassing the imposing ball handler, and honestly, he 635 00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:24.760 reminded me a little bit of the way you did that. 636 00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:27.000 I mean, he's a different kind of player than you, 637 00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:31.639 but he is similar in how aggressive defensively he is. 638 00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:34.079 What do you think of him when you watch him 639 00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:34.800 play defense? 640 00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:41.079 That's amazing that you're talking about that. I want to practice. 641 00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:44.800 The other day was that Tuesday, Dwayne Casey came in. 642 00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:46.280 Coach Casey came in too, n me here and I 643 00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:49.639 went and watched practice, and I got a chance to 644 00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:52.039 really sit down and have it one on one with 645 00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:56.039 Mark Pope, and I told him, I said, listen, I said, 646 00:35:56.840 --> 00:36:00.239 this team reminds me so much of our team. We 647 00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:03.639 didn't we weren't as athletic, we didn't have a true 648 00:36:03.679 --> 00:36:05.679 big guy. But what we did have was and now, 649 00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:07.760 when I bragen on myself, was you got a point 650 00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:10.519 guard that can harass and change the course of a 651 00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:14.760 game by himself defensively. He said, yeah, he doesn't finish 652 00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:16.760 at the rim like you did. I said, it doesn't matter, 653 00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:22.360 I said, but he creates havoc. And he's the one 654 00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:25.000 person on your team because you are a three point 655 00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:27.159 shooting team that can get in the paint, and you 656 00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:29.079 got it. No matter how good of his three point 657 00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:33.079 shooting team you are, you must have paint touches. And 658 00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:36.199 he's the one guy that can penetrate and get in 659 00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:39.199 there and get paint touches and make things happen. To 660 00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:42.960 keep pressure on on that other team on both ends 661 00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:46.159 of the court with his pressure defensively and his pressure 662 00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:48.960 of getting by his guy and getting into the paint. 663 00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:53.239 And I said, you know, this team is very very 664 00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:57.199 similar to you know, the team in eighty nine to ninety. 665 00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:00.480 And you know, have fun with it because you do 666 00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:03.960 have a point guard that's pretty tough and he's probably 667 00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:08.519 the makeup of your basketball team. But just just just 668 00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:12.639 relish in it and enjoy him. Only thing I don't 669 00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:14.239 like is I don't want him to get in foul 670 00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:18.199 trouble because he is aggressive and he's the one guy 671 00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:21.519 that you have that can create havoc. And it's just 672 00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:24.199 as good as any other point you know, any other 673 00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:26.960 player on the other opposing team. You know, you want 674 00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:29.840 to be able to win every position. Well, that's one position. 675 00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:31.679 I don't think too many point guards are gonna be 676 00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:34.360 able to win against him. I think he's that tough. 677 00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:37.079 I agree. I've only got a minute or two left. 678 00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:40.239 But there was one play. Reabsolutely picked the guy's pocket, 679 00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:42.840 but he was harassed down the floor and then he 680 00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:47.039 missed the layup. But it is just such a joy 681 00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:49.559 to watch him go, isn't it. 682 00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:51.800 He is. I mean, I love guys that like getting 683 00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:53.320 in the people. You know, a lot of guys don't 684 00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:55.960 like playing that way anymore. But I just think that, 685 00:37:56.239 --> 00:37:59.239 you know, God forbid, he gets in the foul troubles. 686 00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:03.800 He's the guy that really can set the tone and 687 00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:07.519 really punk a bully the other team's point guard. You know, 688 00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:10.000 if you can win the point guard battle nine times 689 00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:11.199 out of team, you're gonna win the game. 690 00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:13.760 Creasa backed him up and he add six assists. He's 691 00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:19.159 not quite as good defensively, but yeah, between those two guys, 692 00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:23.000 it's gonna be really interesting. This entire season is gonna 693 00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:24.880 be interesting, and Sean Woods will be here to help 694 00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:28.079 us break things down as well as life lessons in general. 695 00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:32.159 I appreciate your observations. I appreciate your mom all over 696 00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:35.639 again now the fact that you're still here. But I 697 00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:37.280 have a great week, Coach, and we'll talk to. 698 00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:37.920 You down the road. 699 00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:38.880 Take care, Dick. 700 00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:41.400 Coming up next to our number. 701 00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:45.239 Two sports doctor Ben Kibler, who is a world renowned 702 00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:49.599 orthopedic surgeon who is based right here in Lexington, semi retired. 703 00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:52.440 We'll talk to the doc as well as our West 704 00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:55.000 End bureau chief Jerry Moore. That's all I had coming 705 00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:57.039 up an hour number two, the Big One Insider six 706 00:38:57.039 --> 00:40:40.239 point thirty Wlaper, Welcome back to the Big Blue and 707 00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:43.000 sider joining us now on the Celebrity Hotline is a 708 00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:46.000 guy I've known for many, many years. He knows my 709 00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:48.880 knees inside it out, because doctor Ben Kibler has operated 710 00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:52.280 on me three times and treated me for many other 711 00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:53.960 minor injuries. 712 00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:57.000 But welcome back. We haven't talked with you in a while. Doc. 713 00:40:57.039 --> 00:40:59.159 Everything's going in your semi retirement. 714 00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:02.760 Oh thanks a lot, Dick for having me. I enjoy 715 00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:06.119 always talking with you. Doing just fine with staying busy, 716 00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:10.519 staying involved with with the throwing shoulder and some injuries 717 00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:13.000 and preventative things. Still having some good time with that. 718 00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:15.320 Well, I wanted to bring you on and we're going 719 00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:19.199 to talk about your latest research as well. But CBS 720 00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:22.239 Sunday Morning a couple of weeks ago had a really 721 00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:24.840 interesting piece on Tommy John's surgery. And they're not the 722 00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:27.000 first to dive in, but it was just prior to 723 00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:29.199 the baseball playoffs, right in the middle of it, really 724 00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:32.320 and it's amazing to me, Doc, and I know it's 725 00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:36.440 no surprise to you, or maybe it is that it 726 00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:40.559 seems like so many guys want Tommy John surgery that 727 00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:44.480 they see that as especially younger people, something that could 728 00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:45.639 help their careers. 729 00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:50.079 Is are we careening in the wrong direction on this? 730 00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:51.000 I got to think we are. 731 00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:56.079 I think there are several things that are brought up 732 00:41:56.119 --> 00:41:59.800 by that type of statement. First of all, remember that 733 00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:06.480 the Tommy John ligament is a key ligament in throwing baseball. 734 00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:08.840 But to be honest with you, you know a lot 735 00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:11.559 of people can get by without it in other situations, 736 00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:15.800 but in baseball it's an extremely important structure. And the 737 00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:21.920 disturbing finding is that this is the need for surgery 738 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:27.119 is occurring in younger age groups, even down down the 739 00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:31.719 fifteen to eighteen, and the original surgery that doctor Job 740 00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:35.800 did has been slightly modified to include a couple of 741 00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:40.159 other new techniques which include these little what's called internal braces, 742 00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:43.400 as well as better ways of doing the reconstruction, so 743 00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:47.239 that there's a lot of different options. So I think, well, 744 00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:48.960 that's no big deal, just you know, we'll fix it 745 00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:50.639 and let it go about it. Well, it turns out 746 00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:55.480 that's really not the case. That the idea as well, 747 00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:57.360 you get a couple of miles on your fastball and 748 00:42:57.559 --> 00:42:59.880 no problem, you just have spend a year getting better. 749 00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:02.639 Turns out that that's sometimes true, but a lot of 750 00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:05.280 times it's not true. And if you look around, you'll 751 00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:10.679 find that this thing doesn't last forever. And there's a 752 00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:13.440 couple of things that are noticeable that the incidence of 753 00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:21.840 a subsequent shoulder injury is quite high, and these incidents 754 00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:28.639 of subsequent re injury and secondary surgery second surgery is high. 755 00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:29.280 Witness. 756 00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:32.840 You know, Walfa Biler did really good last night. It 757 00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:35.039 took him two years to come back from his second 758 00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:38.480 Tommy John, And to be honest with there a whole 759 00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:43.599 lot of other problems going on at that in him 760 00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:47.559 that are not just the Tommy John. And that's the 761 00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:50.800 other thing is that this injury now is not just 762 00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:54.000 the ligament, it's the shoulder, it's the muscles. There are 763 00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:56.320 a whole bunch of things. So it's not a good 764 00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:58.960 idea to have this surgery. You don't you don't go 765 00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:03.360 toward that. Once again, it does seem to and the 766 00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:06.559 people that works seems to work pretty well. But because 767 00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:13.280 the other thing we find is that the mechanics of 768 00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:16.159 the shoulder and elbow are usually not the best in 769 00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:21.280 these throwers. And if we do not totally restore the mechanics, 770 00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:25.199 then that portal of ligaments left out to dry. I 771 00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:27.239 don't know if you know this or not, but what's 772 00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:30.119 called the yield strength of that ligament, which is the 773 00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:33.480 force beyond which it'll break. You know, the tensile force 774 00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:38.000 of bread is about half of what the elbow sees 775 00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:41.880 every time the ball throws, from which means you've got 776 00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:43.079 to have a lot of help from a lot of 777 00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:47.639 other things, such as shoulder rotation, shoulder strength, arm strength, 778 00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:50.639 by steps, a lot of things, even hipp and core 779 00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:55.360 that decrease that load so that you can put that 780 00:44:56.679 --> 00:45:01.440 ligament ad close to its yield failure every time. So 781 00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:04.880 so it's it's not a good idea to just say 782 00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:07.159 I'll get this fixed and I'll just go back. Sure, 783 00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:09.639 there's a whole lot of rebuilt. So and then he's 784 00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:11.639 fifteen sixty year olds. There's no reason for them to 785 00:45:11.679 --> 00:45:13.440 have this. You know this it's all about the radart gun. 786 00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:16.559 Oh yeah, it's all about radar gun and especially pitches 787 00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:19.480 and and so so there are who lot of reasons 788 00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:22.039 to probably look at Scance said oh yeah, let's go 789 00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:23.480 ahead and have it done. 790 00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:27.280 Yeah, they spotlighted a young man. I can't remember where 791 00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:29.800 he's from, but he had hurt his arm. 792 00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:30.079 Heav'n. 793 00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:32.599 He was coming back from Tommy John and he said, 794 00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:33.960 I will absolutely make. 795 00:45:33.800 --> 00:45:34.559 The major leagues. 796 00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:37.480 And and you know, the interviewer said, well what if 797 00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:38.960 you don't, do you have a backup? But now I 798 00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:40.519 don't really need one. I'll be I'll be a major 799 00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:43.119 league pitcher. Mom and Dad are sitting there grinning, you know. 800 00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:47.679 So I was talking to Butcher Thompson, who's the Auburn 801 00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:50.440 baseball coach and one of the better when it comes 802 00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:53.000 to pitching, one of the more knowledgeable guys in the 803 00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:56.800 Southeastern Conference, and I asked him, I said, what do 804 00:45:56.840 --> 00:45:59.960 you think of all these kids that are trying to 805 00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:03.760 get up to one hundred on the gun And he said, well, 806 00:46:03.760 --> 00:46:06.559 he just shried. He goes something's got to give, and 807 00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:08.199 that's where doctors come in. 808 00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:12.360 Am I right, Well hopefully. But the other thing is 809 00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:15.519 is that's where the athletic trainers and the strength condition coach. 810 00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:18.440 I mean it takes a whole effort. I mean the 811 00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:21.000 doctors unfortunately, the only time they see him is when 812 00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:23.840 they get hurt. And so unless the doctors are getting 813 00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:27.559 involved in the training programs, which is where eyes of 814 00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:32.199 sportsmens is my own personal interests have always been. But 815 00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:34.840 but you've got to have that kind of stuff because otherwise, 816 00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:37.119 I mean I talked to the Major league team doctor 817 00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:39.920 and I was we were talking about forces on the 818 00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:42.320 elbow and all that kind of stuff, and how you 819 00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:45.280 need to implement training programs as well. I'm sorry, it's 820 00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:47.639 probably right, but I don't have that time. That's what 821 00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:49.840 we've got our training staff for, you know, and and 822 00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:52.960 so and that even goes down. So you imagine if 823 00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:55.599 that's what it is major leagues, what about the high schools? 824 00:46:55.719 --> 00:46:57.880 Oh yeah, you know, and you got these guys trying 825 00:46:57.920 --> 00:46:58.760 to throw. 826 00:46:59.199 --> 00:46:59.280 Uh. 827 00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:02.639 The other thing is I was consulting on a guy 828 00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:05.960 who was getting ready to be a high school junior, 829 00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:09.079 and you already had Tommy John and so junior years 830 00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:11.480 when he got to really make sure he shows up 831 00:47:11.599 --> 00:47:15.280 real well for all the college scouts. And so he 832 00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:17.559 got he got injured, and he got a surgery back 833 00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:22.199 in like November, and so this was in February, and 834 00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:24.159 they said, well, he's got this brace, so he can 835 00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:26.039 go back and throw. So he's out there throwing this 836 00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:28.840 team and everybody's head. But if you watch his mechanics, it's 837 00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:31.639 pecially because you can make your armle fast, and you 838 00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:33.360 can make that arm you can just take it and 839 00:47:33.440 --> 00:47:34.679 just flail it whip now. 840 00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:35.840 Yeah. 841 00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:37.719 And then what happens with that a lot of times 842 00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:40.519 is let's get what's called the slow arm with arms behind, 843 00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:42.960 which opens up the elbow, which puts stressed on there 844 00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:47.679 or your your your launch window or your you know, 845 00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:52.320 your slot is off, therefore your pitch performance like that. 846 00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:54.480 So I can throw it fast, but. 847 00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:57.480 Kind of throw it accurately, and I'm throwing it efficiently. 848 00:47:57.679 --> 00:48:00.199 Answer that, unless you've got some really good guys watching this, 849 00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:02.920 then you know it's not going to be. 850 00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:07.079 The best amazing and all did We did. 851 00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:09.519 An instinct study at anything study where we looked at 852 00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:14.239 guys everybody who went on the ile, all the pictures 853 00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:16.840 that are not making leaders, and we looked at them 854 00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:20.440 one year before being on the ile and one month 855 00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:22.880 before being on the I L I can do this 856 00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:24.880 now when I'm trying can look at all these statistics 857 00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:28.360 at all anyway, And so we found that there was 858 00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:34.519 a significant difference in all location between the year before 859 00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:35.960 and the month before. 860 00:48:36.199 --> 00:48:36.880 Really and that. 861 00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:39.320 And that you know you've always heard the pitching coaches 862 00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:41.480 say that you can tell when the pictures losing it. 863 00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:45.119 He's wild high, right, Yeah, well that's exactly what happened. 864 00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:48.880 If you draw a draw the strike zone that box 865 00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:53.480 rectangular boxing, uh, and you put where the where they 866 00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:56.679 were one month before injury, what I call the Mickey 867 00:48:56.719 --> 00:49:01.360 mouse had two circles indicating and there's outside the box 868 00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:04.880 high inside and high outside and it significant where was 869 00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:08.000 not was down in a way. So in words, he 870 00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:10.679 couldn't get the location. He couldn't get that slider right 871 00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:13.280 down and the way he was missing up, which you 872 00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:16.480 know batters like to see that thing so that's that's 873 00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:20.000 what you see, instinct that the velocity hadn't changed. Stomachy 874 00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:22.960 armicle fast, Yeah, which you couldn't put it where's supposed 875 00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:23.159 to go. 876 00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:24.719 Yeah. Interesting. 877 00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:27.920 We're talking with doctor Ben Kibler, who is I say 878 00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:30.719 semi retired because he say he's very busy, but retired 879 00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:33.840 from the Election and Clinic in twenty twenty. Basically had 880 00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:38.000 been there since nineteen seventy seven. He was the head 881 00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:40.360 team physician for the Election and legends has been since 882 00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:43.719 twenty oh one. So he knows arms, you know, shoulders. 883 00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:46.000 And we'll come back with more questions for the doc. 884 00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:47.639 And just to minute here on the Big bullone sider 885 00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:49.679 six thirty WLAP. 886 00:49:50.199 --> 00:49:52.599 Welcome back. We're talking with sports surgeon. 887 00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:55.920 Basically is an easy way to describe doctor Ben Kibler, 888 00:49:55.960 --> 00:49:58.760 but he has done more than just the twenty three 889 00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:00.760 thousand surgical procedures. 890 00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:05.000 He is an author and is doing research now. 891 00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:11.280 Has coached thousands of young athletes, both in baseball and tennis. 892 00:50:11.320 --> 00:50:13.760 If you've got a shoulder and you're playing sports, you 893 00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:17.440 need to know this guy. You mentioned in your opening comments, 894 00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:21.079 Doc the word core And I tell you what when 895 00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:22.960 I watched pictures now. And I tried to pitch when 896 00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:25.360 I was young, wasn't any good? I wish I had 897 00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:28.440 known then and had no one talking to me how 898 00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:32.039 important your core was, Your legs are your rare end 899 00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:34.639 is It's it's so much more than just your arm. 900 00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:34.920 Isn't it. 901 00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:36.440 Yeah, we did. 902 00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:37.920 This is one of the studies I did back in 903 00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:42.000 the nineteen nineteen ninety. We looked at the contributions of 904 00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:46.119 each of the elements of the body, the legs, the core, 905 00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:50.440 the shoulder, the elbows. We found that to the to 906 00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:54.960 the velocity of the arm at ball release, it turns 907 00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:57.360 out that fifty four percent of all the force and 908 00:50:57.400 --> 00:51:00.320 fifty percent of all the kinetic energy developed to the 909 00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:03.760 pitch is from the from the waist down. 910 00:51:03.880 --> 00:51:04.239 Wow. 911 00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:08.920 And all this instant contribution of the arm going forward 912 00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:12.440 at the shoulder is only like eighteen percent because basically 913 00:51:12.440 --> 00:51:14.559 what the shoulder muscles are doing to try to keep 914 00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:17.679 the shoulder from fall, from being pulled off, pulled out 915 00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:21.760 of the body. So but over half is from the 916 00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:25.239 lower body. And it's it's so very important to make 917 00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:28.639 that right as your base because you imagine those big muscles. 918 00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:31.480 If if force and velocity you are proportional to the 919 00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:35.960 cross sexual area of a muscle because you rather have 920 00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:38.360 your legs developed that strength, or you try to get 921 00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:42.519 your forearm muscles develop that force. So you're playing ketchup 922 00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:45.280 and ketch up with these smaller muscles out farther, and 923 00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:47.599 then all kinds of things happen. Soh yeah, So the 924 00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:51.280 core and and and actually thinking the core, the lower 925 00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:54.920 extremity and the upper extremity in a unit is the 926 00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:57.519 way that we go about doing this most efficiently. 927 00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:00.760 Here's a simple question, and you could probably talk all 928 00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:01.559 night about it. 929 00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:06.440 Do pitch counts work? Are they just being totally overblown? 930 00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:08.800 And every other day you see a. 931 00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:12.639 New stat about Nolan Ryan on on social media and 932 00:52:12.679 --> 00:52:14.719 I don't know if he was a unicorn or he 933 00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:16.559 just did things the way they should be done. But 934 00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:18.880 everybody's on a pitch count now, Doc. 935 00:52:20.119 --> 00:52:23.119 Yeah, I think originally the reason for pitchcowunt is because 936 00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:25.840 we found that if you looked at people who got injured, 937 00:52:26.199 --> 00:52:30.360 that they usually were, you know, had high volumes of throwing, 938 00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:33.559 and so everybody got on a pitch count. But I 939 00:52:33.559 --> 00:52:35.960 think you're exactly right. There's a there's an individual variation. 940 00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:38.639 If you want to construct a major league picture, then 941 00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:41.280 you would construct him along the lines of Nolan Ryan. 942 00:52:41.480 --> 00:52:44.320 He had didn't have a big buddy, had very strong muscles, 943 00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:47.880 a very good core, very good handstrings, wide shoulders, and 944 00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:50.760 just to that easy motion. I mean you usually he 945 00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:53.440 just needed easy motion. See some of these guys, you 946 00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:56.760 can tell it looks like they're fighting against themselves. Then 947 00:52:56.800 --> 00:52:58.800 you see somebody like Greg Maddick, somebody just to the 948 00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:02.880 easy motion, just this full flowing of motion. And so 949 00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:06.760 there are differences, but in general, the more times you 950 00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:08.760 do that, and that's a huge amount of load that 951 00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:10.800 you're putting on the arm, then the more time you 952 00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:14.239 have four possible injuries, and of course it's pitch counts 953 00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:18.400 plus your your core and your strength, all that kind 954 00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:20.320 of stuff, and where you are in the season and 955 00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:23.239 your recovery there's got to be there's going to be 956 00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:26.000 a recovery component. Then there's another thing called workload. There's 957 00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:29.760 a workload. So that they found out now that it's 958 00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:33.840 not necessarily the number of pitches is perhaps the change 959 00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:37.159 in the number of pitches if you have it's called 960 00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:39.920 the acute chronic workload ratio. And the idea is that 961 00:53:40.199 --> 00:53:42.239 if you're throwing about the same amount all the time, 962 00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:44.400 then your body gets used to it. But if you 963 00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:49.400 change that by more than fifteen percent in an acute situation, 964 00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:53.079 then your risk of injury goes up. And so it's 965 00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:55.440 not know it's a pitch count, but if it's a 966 00:53:55.480 --> 00:53:57.960 pitch count. For example, in the high school, you know 967 00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:00.679 you're pitching, and then you go to a camp, yeah, 968 00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:02.679 and then you're throwing every day or something like So 969 00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:06.039 now your number of throws plus you're trying to hit 970 00:54:06.039 --> 00:54:09.000 that radar gun goes up. That's where you get into injury. 971 00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:13.800 And these relief pitchers nowadays that throw what three batters, 972 00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:16.719 you know, maybe fifteen pitches or twenty visits, you know 973 00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:19.039 they're never going they're going to get it beyond a pitchcount. 974 00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:22.280 But that doesn't happen in youth. Pitchcowns are more important 975 00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:27.920 than youth because they're less regulated, they're less developed, and 976 00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:30.760 they're less skilled, and so all those things go into 977 00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:33.199 this pitchcount. So you can talk about major leaguers you 978 00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:37.119 want to, and everybody's going to watch them pretty carefully. Nowadays, 979 00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:40.360 that's not gonna be as much of a problem, but 980 00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:43.519 it's in the high schools and colleges where the pitchcounts 981 00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:47.199 probably still need to be really pretty closely monitored. 982 00:54:48.440 --> 00:54:51.000 By the way, speaking of Nolan Ryan, I seem to recall, 983 00:54:51.280 --> 00:54:53.480 and I know you've probably you and your colleagues or 984 00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:55.480 studied the heck out of him, but he had a 985 00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:57.760 part of his workout routine. 986 00:54:57.480 --> 00:54:59.559 And he was an absolute fiend. As everybody knows. 987 00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:04.320 He would drive his pitching hand to the into a 988 00:55:04.360 --> 00:55:07.920 bucket of rice and work work the hand, like squeezing 989 00:55:08.079 --> 00:55:11.239 the rice all the way to the bottom of the bucket. 990 00:55:11.559 --> 00:55:13.159 I don't know if you've ever tried that, but I 991 00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:16.599 did when I was young. Oh my god, is that taxing. 992 00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:19.960 But you could tell it had to help that forearm, 993 00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:21.840 that shoulder all the way down to his waist. 994 00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:25.599 Yeah, it's a it's a he popularized it, but a 995 00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:27.760 lot of people we we we have a big throwing 996 00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:30.559 program over to Lection and clinic. Yeah, and Mike, Mike 997 00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:34.000 Howell is our pitching guru there and it looks like 998 00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:36.480 he's he's just conducted a wedding there. 999 00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:39.360 I mean so much right off the floor. 1000 00:55:40.280 --> 00:55:43.440 But it's it's a great exercise. And and then all 1001 00:55:43.519 --> 00:55:45.880 the pictures both love it and hate it. They love 1002 00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:47.519 it because they get a benefit, but they hate it 1003 00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:50.000 because it because it because it does TAXIM pretty good. 1004 00:55:50.199 --> 00:55:53.920 Yeah, yeah, no, Like I said, I remember trying that, thinking, Man, 1005 00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:56.119 I don't want to be a picture this badly. If 1006 00:55:56.119 --> 00:55:59.760 you've Mint Slevin, doctor Ben Kibler uh just basically known 1007 00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:01.880 as a sports doctor, but he's so much more than that, 1008 00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:05.039 a surgeon and now in semi retirement doing a lot 1009 00:56:05.079 --> 00:56:08.199 of research, and I love talking to him about baseball. 1010 00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:11.039 In fact, we played baseball together in the Old Bluegrass 1011 00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:14.760 League and you played at Vanderbilt. But I wanted to 1012 00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:18.400 talk because I had seen this piece about Tommy John surgery, 1013 00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:21.599 and it also reminded me of a conversation I had 1014 00:56:21.639 --> 00:56:24.880 with my partner, Doug Flynn from the SEC broadcasts, And 1015 00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:28.800 of course Doug played eleven years in the majors, and 1016 00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:32.960 he said that when he played Doc, the radar gun 1017 00:56:33.119 --> 00:56:37.280 reading was the ball going across the plate. Now it's 1018 00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:40.880 out of the pitcher's hand, which I think makes it 1019 00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:43.679 less relevant. But you talked about the gun earlier. It's 1020 00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:48.079 all about the gun. People now are acutely aware of 1021 00:56:48.159 --> 00:56:52.079 that radar gun, and it's just ruining a lot of arms, 1022 00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:53.519 I think, and I'm sure you do too. 1023 00:56:54.480 --> 00:56:54.719 Well. 1024 00:56:54.960 --> 00:56:59.119 The emphasis on speed is it's only one factor. I mean, 1025 00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:03.119 you know, almost everybody says location and movement are more 1026 00:57:03.159 --> 00:57:06.280 important than speed. And and of course we keep going 1027 00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:08.679 back to people like Greg Maddox, for whom that was 1028 00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:11.719 entirely true. Then you get these other guys that can 1029 00:57:11.840 --> 00:57:15.920 can throw real hard and so but you know, once again, 1030 00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:18.320 what you can do for tim You go to this 1031 00:57:18.400 --> 00:57:20.880 camp and do they ever look at your ball strike 1032 00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:24.239 ratio and your report? You know that they give back 1033 00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:26.920 the kid and no, it's always velocity and and and 1034 00:57:26.960 --> 00:57:28.920 the problem with that is that that means you're trying 1035 00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:32.480 to max out everything, so it's not much control. So 1036 00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:34.800 you really trying to make that arm go fast. Well, 1037 00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:37.800 most of the kids are not totally coordinating, you know, 1038 00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:39.679 some of them are still growing and things like that. 1039 00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:42.480 So the idea of making an arm go fast, you 1040 00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:44.559 you can take your arm, you can sling it, you know, 1041 00:57:44.679 --> 00:57:46.639 but that but that and that'll make it go fast 1042 00:57:46.639 --> 00:57:50.400 because that's at the end of along chain right there. 1043 00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:52.800 But it's not helpful and it's not accurate, it's not 1044 00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:56.840 mechanically safe. So but once again they're all using it, 1045 00:57:56.880 --> 00:58:00.280 and of course then they'll use that as a look 1046 00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:02.519 how much better you are? Yeah, you know, and they 1047 00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:04.159 proved that a couple of miles. 1048 00:58:04.280 --> 00:58:04.400 You know. 1049 00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:07.159 One of the biggest studies they did on the weighted balls. 1050 00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:11.280 Don't get me started on that, but they they weighted 1051 00:58:11.280 --> 00:58:14.719 balls and young kids, is that we improved your velocity. 1052 00:58:14.760 --> 00:58:17.639 It turns out to improve the velocity two point three 1053 00:58:17.719 --> 00:58:18.440 miles per hour. 1054 00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:19.239 Wow. 1055 00:58:19.400 --> 00:58:22.199 Is that enough to go through those And it turns 1056 00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:25.119 out that forty percent reported some kind of injury in 1057 00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:28.000 the next some kind of paint and limitation in this 1058 00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:32.079 one study over the next six months of throwing, so 1059 00:58:32.079 --> 00:58:34.360 so that that trade off's not good. But you're always 1060 00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:35.719 just going by the velocity. 1061 00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:36.880 Wow. 1062 00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:41.840 It's amazing what people latch onto. And now, as I 1063 00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:44.880 said in the in the piece on CBS Sunday morning, Uh, 1064 00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:48.639 mom and Dad were right there, you know, supporting all 1065 00:58:48.719 --> 00:58:53.280 the way. And you've got money out there from the pros, 1066 00:58:53.320 --> 00:58:55.000 You've got scholarship dollars out there. 1067 00:58:55.039 --> 00:58:57.519 It seems like the pressure to make it is even 1068 00:58:57.599 --> 00:58:58.599 greater now, isn't it. 1069 00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:01.440 Yeah. And the thing is, you get the proliferation of 1070 00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:03.239 all that you know I'm not knocking them entirely, but 1071 00:59:03.519 --> 00:59:07.840 all these individual coaches and camps and things like that, 1072 00:59:08.440 --> 00:59:13.039 for whom that is a source of lack of a 1073 00:59:13.039 --> 00:59:14.840 better word, money or prestige or whatever. 1074 00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:15.519 I was saying. 1075 00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:18.159 Some of them are really good and some of them 1076 00:59:18.559 --> 00:59:21.920 are probably more hyped. And you've got to be real 1077 00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:28.119 careful about where you put your effort and your interest 1078 00:59:28.159 --> 00:59:31.960 and your money in a growing kid and developing kid, 1079 00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:35.280 and you've got to be really, really very discerning on those. 1080 00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:38.920 Well, Doc, I always enjoy talking with you when I'm 1081 00:59:38.960 --> 00:59:42.159 not being treated, when you're not saying, oh, what have 1082 00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:44.039 you done this time? 1083 00:59:44.119 --> 00:59:46.320 But let's keep in. 1084 00:59:46.239 --> 00:59:48.280 Touch and can be posted on your research because I 1085 00:59:48.320 --> 00:59:49.320 find it fascinating. 1086 00:59:49.320 --> 00:59:51.800 I sure like talking to you, and I do appreciate 1087 00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:52.239 your time. 1088 00:59:53.079 --> 00:59:54.000 I always enjoy talking. 1089 00:59:54.320 --> 00:59:55.320 We always have a good time. 1090 00:59:55.840 --> 00:59:58.880 Reminiscing about the old days. Is also keeping totally current 1091 00:59:58.880 --> 01:00:01.920 on what's going on now at that's right, Thanks loud up. 1092 01:00:01.960 --> 01:00:04.360 Next, West End Bureau Chief Gary Moore here on six 1093 01:00:04.519 --> 01:00:08.119 thirty WLAP Welcome back to the Big Wills Cider. It 1094 01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:11.360 is Wednesday, which means we cast our gaze to the west, 1095 01:00:11.800 --> 01:00:13.639 to the west end of I sixty four, where we 1096 01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:16.039 find our West End Bureau chief, Gary Moore, he all 1097 01:00:16.159 --> 01:00:19.039 time West Coast Bureau chief when he was a Kailo Wes. 1098 01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:22.400 Radio now back in LA the Louisville area, to share 1099 01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:25.599 with us some of his musings. Muse for us, young man. 1100 01:00:26.119 --> 01:00:28.039 Two guys in a six pack. We've got six things 1101 01:00:28.079 --> 01:00:31.719 to talk about. Huge, huge hump knight. In sports, Dick 1102 01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:35.800 Gabriel got us a potential series clinching Game five in 1103 01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:40.000 the Bronx, Dodgers and Yankees, and at the same time 1104 01:00:40.760 --> 01:00:44.800 ESPN two some good old college football between my Hilltoppers 1105 01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:48.360 five and two and the one and six Kinnesaw State Owls. 1106 01:00:48.480 --> 01:00:52.000 Or maybe it's just college football. Scratch the good old 1107 01:00:52.039 --> 01:00:55.840 part of that toodnight eight oh eight Eastern Yankees Ace 1108 01:00:55.880 --> 01:00:59.960 Garrett Cole, who grew up idolizing the Yankees in southern California, 1109 01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:03.559 faces off against LA's Jack Flaherty, who grew up idolizing 1110 01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:07.360 the Dodgers in southern California. I thought this was kind 1111 01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:09.760 of interesting. Cole pitched obviously a great game one at 1112 01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:13.519 Dodger Stadium, which is not surprising because he was a 1113 01:01:13.559 --> 01:01:17.239 better away from Yankee Stadium this season on the road, 1114 01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:19.320 he was five and three with the two forty nine 1115 01:01:19.400 --> 01:01:22.440 era at home and Yankee Stadium, Cole was three and 1116 01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:25.280 two with a four point three to one er for 1117 01:01:25.360 --> 01:01:28.239 those not keeping score at home, now down I sixty 1118 01:01:28.239 --> 01:01:31.239 five and Bowling Green my toppers twenty four point favorites 1119 01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:36.440 over Kennesas State, which inexplicably upset Liberty twenty seven to 1120 01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:39.719 twenty four a week ago. Tonight, Western I will tell 1121 01:01:39.719 --> 01:01:42.079 you will not let upset number two happen this evening. 1122 01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:45.079 That's a seven thirty kickoff on ESPEN two. So I 1123 01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:46.800 ask you about the baseball game you go in with 1124 01:01:46.840 --> 01:01:49.440 the Dodgers or the Evil Empire tonight. 1125 01:01:50.320 --> 01:01:52.320 Well, I had thought. 1126 01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:54.400 That the Evil Empire would give the Dodgers a better 1127 01:01:54.519 --> 01:01:58.800 run than they have, But the Dodger pitching, all those 1128 01:01:58.840 --> 01:02:01.039 guys pouring out of the bulls have done the job. 1129 01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:03.239 But I have a feeling the Yankees will get another 1130 01:02:03.280 --> 01:02:08.519 one tonight, and including those clowns that they let back 1131 01:02:08.519 --> 01:02:08.960 in the game. 1132 01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:10.480 But we'll talk about that a little later. 1133 01:02:11.239 --> 01:02:14.239 Gotcha second squig in the six pack tomorrow night. Thursday 1134 01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:17.000 Night football. Dick is one of to me, the two 1135 01:02:17.159 --> 01:02:20.079 most intriguing NFL games of the week. We got the 1136 01:02:20.199 --> 01:02:24.119 six and two and AFC South Division leading Houston Texans 1137 01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:26.480 at the two and six soap opera that is the 1138 01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:29.159 New York Jets losers now a five in a row, 1139 01:02:29.199 --> 01:02:33.519 and yet, and yet the Jets are favored by two 1140 01:02:33.639 --> 01:02:37.039 over the Texans tomorrow night. Give me an all caps 1141 01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:40.880 wtf on that? USA Today called that betting line laughable. 1142 01:02:41.440 --> 01:02:44.199 Vegas also had the Jets seven point favorites last Sunday 1143 01:02:44.199 --> 01:02:47.239 against the Patriots, which seemed a little more legit, but still, 1144 01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:51.360 what's the deal with this? Then on Sunday, your beloved 1145 01:02:51.400 --> 01:02:54.400 Packers that you have you own a stake in at 1146 01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:56.039 an all and in fact, they're going to be in 1147 01:02:56.079 --> 01:02:58.679 their own thought out tundra of lambeau Field three and 1148 01:02:58.679 --> 01:03:01.760 a half underdogs to the sixth and one Lions, Lions 1149 01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:05.480 currently cooking on a five game winning streak. I ask you, 1150 01:03:06.159 --> 01:03:09.280 do they make it sixth or does your pack rack 1151 01:03:09.519 --> 01:03:12.079 their fifth win in a row. Something's got to give. 1152 01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:17.199 I'm not I'm hopeful, but I'm not entirely confident that 1153 01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:19.400 my guys can get it done, simply because the Lions 1154 01:03:19.440 --> 01:03:24.199 are really good, well coached, have a good, smart defense 1155 01:03:24.280 --> 01:03:27.800 and you got. Probably. I think it depends on whether 1156 01:03:27.880 --> 01:03:30.840 or not. We don't know yet about Love, whether he's 1157 01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:33.039 going to play or not. If it's Willis, I think 1158 01:03:33.119 --> 01:03:35.800 they'll have some some packages built in to try to 1159 01:03:35.840 --> 01:03:41.239 confuse him, although he has played remarkably well based on 1160 01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:43.400 how I thought he would play because he was a 1161 01:03:43.400 --> 01:03:46.719 bit of a flop in Tennessee. But we're finding out 1162 01:03:46.760 --> 01:03:48.199 more and more. It might not have been the QB, 1163 01:03:48.400 --> 01:03:50.320 might have been the system, might have been, the line, whatever. 1164 01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:54.239 But Lions are really really good. I wouldn't be surprised 1165 01:03:54.880 --> 01:03:57.880 if my guys win it, but I also wouldn't be 1166 01:03:57.960 --> 01:04:01.199 surprised if it came down to the last possession, which 1167 01:04:01.239 --> 01:04:04.880 it has the last two games for my Packers. Unfortunately, 1168 01:04:05.360 --> 01:04:07.639 we've won both and one of them came against Houston. 1169 01:04:07.679 --> 01:04:12.360 And I'm with you on that point, Spread, But man, again, 1170 01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:15.239 those guys in the Desert, they've never spent a dollar 1171 01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:16.800 that was their own. 1172 01:04:17.320 --> 01:04:18.159 They know what they're doing. 1173 01:04:18.199 --> 01:04:20.679 But you're right they blew it with the Patriots Jets, 1174 01:04:20.719 --> 01:04:24.199 but I think they're putting way too much on Devonte 1175 01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:28.039 Adams signing. And also they still think this Jets defense 1176 01:04:28.119 --> 01:04:31.119 is something special, which we have seen it is not, 1177 01:04:31.559 --> 01:04:34.400 and neither is the quarterback agreed. 1178 01:04:34.519 --> 01:04:37.400 Third swig in the six pack. On to college football. 1179 01:04:37.519 --> 01:04:41.239 Two monumentally tough road games for our Cats and Cards 1180 01:04:41.320 --> 01:04:43.679 this weekend up first at seven point thirty. U OFL 1181 01:04:43.840 --> 01:04:47.719 kicks off at number eleven Clemson five and three Cards 1182 01:04:47.840 --> 01:04:49.880 ten and a half point underdogs to the six and 1183 01:04:49.960 --> 01:04:52.239 one Tigers, who, by the way, are coming off of 1184 01:04:52.280 --> 01:04:55.320 a bye week. Clemson's also won six in a row 1185 01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:58.360 since that opening blowout loss to Georgia. Clemson has also 1186 01:04:58.400 --> 01:05:02.119 scored at least forty points in five of those six wins. 1187 01:05:02.599 --> 01:05:06.199 Cards looked awful in the first half at Boston Boston 1188 01:05:06.239 --> 01:05:09.239 College last week before they rallied in the second half. 1189 01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:11.719 Try that start against that same kind of start against 1190 01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:13.679 this team Saturday, and UFL will be five and four, 1191 01:05:14.039 --> 01:05:16.800 probably before halftime now, as you've talked about all week, 1192 01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:20.800 fifteen minutes after the UFL start, Cats are down I 1193 01:05:20.920 --> 01:05:22.599 seventy five. Of course you'll be there at seven to 1194 01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:25.559 forty five start in Knoxville against the number seven Valls, 1195 01:05:26.199 --> 01:05:30.239 who are sixteen point favorites as we speak. But Dick, 1196 01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:32.719 don't count on me piling on here. From everything that's 1197 01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:35.519 happened in the last week or two. I think some 1198 01:05:35.599 --> 01:05:38.239 things are bigger than football, like losing a parent, as 1199 01:05:38.360 --> 01:05:41.519 Mark Stoops did this past week. So my heart goes 1200 01:05:41.559 --> 01:05:45.400 out to the coach. I hope, I'll say this, I 1201 01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:48.719 hope his players honor him with their best performance of 1202 01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:52.239 the season. And it's got to be better, even better 1203 01:05:52.280 --> 01:05:54.480 than the one that they showed down in Oxford, Mississippi. 1204 01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:55.320 I hope they can do that. 1205 01:05:55.559 --> 01:05:59.559 Yeah, it's gonna take that, because while the win at 1206 01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:02.599 Oxford was great and always will be, it was a 1207 01:06:02.639 --> 01:06:05.519 matter of which team will control the pace offensively, and 1208 01:06:05.559 --> 01:06:07.760 of course it was Kentucky just a little bit better 1209 01:06:08.199 --> 01:06:10.440 and I'll miss there. That is a huge challenge this 1210 01:06:10.519 --> 01:06:15.679 week given the power of Tennessee's defense, and over the 1211 01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:19.760 last couple of minion, especially down there, it's either been 1212 01:06:19.800 --> 01:06:22.119 the jail break for Tennessee or a track meet either 1213 01:06:22.159 --> 01:06:25.679 one pick your metaphor. But Kentucky's at a very difficult 1214 01:06:25.719 --> 01:06:30.400 time slowing Tennessee's offense. Well, Tennessee's not known this season 1215 01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:33.400 for its offense, and of course is known for that defense, 1216 01:06:33.440 --> 01:06:35.840 which has yet to give up more than nineteen points 1217 01:06:36.280 --> 01:06:39.400 this year. So they got to find a way to 1218 01:06:39.480 --> 01:06:41.079 move the football or it's going to be one of 1219 01:06:41.159 --> 01:06:44.320 those long days, and I've covered a few of those 1220 01:06:44.880 --> 01:06:48.239 down in Knoxville. As for the Cardinals, the impressive comeback 1221 01:06:48.280 --> 01:06:51.880 against Boston College still kind of rings in my mind. 1222 01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:54.559 I got to watch most of that, but it occurred 1223 01:06:54.599 --> 01:06:59.400 to me that two things. Number One, ACC football is 1224 01:06:59.480 --> 01:07:02.440 just different from SEC. I don't think there's as much size, 1225 01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:05.880 but that means you can move the ball a little 1226 01:07:05.880 --> 01:07:09.679 bit more freely. I guess you could say, uh, you know, 1227 01:07:09.719 --> 01:07:12.920 because your lines aren't these behemos slamming into each other. 1228 01:07:13.519 --> 01:07:17.320 But Clemson we had ridden off, which was stupid after 1229 01:07:17.360 --> 01:07:21.559 that Georgia loss and again an SEC power destroying Clemson. 1230 01:07:21.639 --> 01:07:24.920 But since then has looked like the team Dabbo won. 1231 01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:27.960 So it's going to be really, I think difficult, plus 1232 01:07:28.039 --> 01:07:32.440 the extra week to prepare for Jeff Brohm's offense forth Swig. 1233 01:07:33.199 --> 01:07:35.719 As far as the game of the day on Saturday, 1234 01:07:36.119 --> 01:07:39.079 that's an easy one. Number four Ohio State at number 1235 01:07:39.199 --> 01:07:42.480 three Penn State. Buckeyes are three and a half point favorites, 1236 01:07:43.039 --> 01:07:45.639 and they've beaten the Nitney Lions in their last seven meetings. 1237 01:07:45.639 --> 01:07:47.280 In fact, they've beaten them nine out of the last 1238 01:07:47.320 --> 01:07:51.280 ten that will be at high noon on Fox on Saturday. 1239 01:07:51.800 --> 01:07:53.960 What else looks fun? Well, you got the Florida Georgia 1240 01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:56.519 cocktail party done and Jackson Village usual. You got number 1241 01:07:56.559 --> 01:08:00.599 one Oregon at the Big House against unranked Michigan. You 1242 01:08:00.679 --> 01:08:05.719 also got number thirteen Indiana at unranked Michigan State. Last week, 1243 01:08:05.760 --> 01:08:08.119 Michigan State, as you know, ended their rivalry game with 1244 01:08:08.199 --> 01:08:11.760 Michigan in that postgame fistfight you might have caught. I 1245 01:08:11.760 --> 01:08:13.679 guess the thinking was, well, if we can't beat them, 1246 01:08:13.719 --> 01:08:15.800 we can beat them after that. 1247 01:08:16.239 --> 01:08:17.920 Maybe the second best game of the day. 1248 01:08:18.239 --> 01:08:23.600 Number eighteen and still undefeated Pitt at number twenty SMUs 1249 01:08:23.720 --> 01:08:27.359 by the way, SMU seven and one ACC Showdown Mustang's 1250 01:08:27.359 --> 01:08:29.520 a seven a half point favorite. That's at eight o'clock 1251 01:08:29.560 --> 01:08:33.640 Saturday night. ACC Network. Two predictions. I like Indiana to go. 1252 01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:35.199 I believe nine to zero for the first time and 1253 01:08:35.239 --> 01:08:38.159 who's your history? And Penn State to snap the streak 1254 01:08:38.840 --> 01:08:41.840 against and Ohio State University. 1255 01:08:42.199 --> 01:08:44.840 Yeah, I'm with you, and again I have to eat 1256 01:08:44.920 --> 01:08:46.720 it on the Ohio State Oregon prediction. 1257 01:08:46.840 --> 01:08:47.319 I made you. 1258 01:08:47.560 --> 01:08:49.880 I said it would be a blowout. Not only was 1259 01:08:49.920 --> 01:08:52.680 it not it was a loss by Ohio State and 1260 01:08:52.680 --> 01:08:54.159 they had to go a long way to play. Now 1261 01:08:54.199 --> 01:08:56.239 you don't have to go quite as far, but still 1262 01:08:56.239 --> 01:08:59.159 it's a difficult place to play at Penn State, and 1263 01:08:59.239 --> 01:09:01.640 it's not your granddad's Ohio State team. 1264 01:09:02.279 --> 01:09:02.800 I'm with you. 1265 01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:06.319 I think if they don't win, at least cover and 1266 01:09:06.520 --> 01:09:09.359 I guess more than anything, I'm kind of hoping Indiana 1267 01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:12.560 stays unblemish. But I think Indiana is a better team 1268 01:09:13.199 --> 01:09:16.359 than Michigan State, and I think the residue from that 1269 01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:20.039 dance party after the game, I think may have a 1270 01:09:20.039 --> 01:09:24.199 lot to do with that. I think Georgia will take 1271 01:09:24.199 --> 01:09:28.039 care of Florida no problem, simply because I like Georgia's defense, 1272 01:09:28.079 --> 01:09:31.439 and again, Florida's got a very young, but talented quarterback 1273 01:09:31.479 --> 01:09:34.000 as we saw Oregon. 1274 01:09:34.039 --> 01:09:35.760 I guess this is for real. I just got to 1275 01:09:35.800 --> 01:09:36.159 admit it. 1276 01:09:36.199 --> 01:09:38.840 I'm happy for my cousins who live in Portland, and 1277 01:09:38.880 --> 01:09:42.520 it's weird for me to see SMU more than a 1278 01:09:42.560 --> 01:09:46.239 touchdown favorite over an undefeated pit team. But got to 1279 01:09:46.239 --> 01:09:48.039 go to Dallas and play. There will not be a 1280 01:09:48.119 --> 01:09:51.560 huge crowd, But SMU is better than we think it is. 1281 01:09:52.039 --> 01:09:53.239 Yeah, saw that here. 1282 01:09:53.600 --> 01:09:57.680 Yeah, yep, bittswig and a six pack. By this time, 1283 01:09:57.800 --> 01:10:00.960 one week from today, Dick your number. Twe three, University 1284 01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:05.000 of Kentucky Wildcats, my WKU Hilltoppers, and U of L 1285 01:10:05.079 --> 01:10:08.399 will have played their first regular season basketball games. No 1286 01:10:08.479 --> 01:10:12.840 more exhibitions. Three Monday season starters. Monday night, as you've 1287 01:10:12.840 --> 01:10:15.840 talked about all week at RUPP, the Pope Era begins 1288 01:10:15.880 --> 01:10:19.439 against Wright State. Over here at the KFC Young Center 1289 01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:23.279 downtown Louisville. The Pat Kelsey Era begins as unranked Louisville 1290 01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:27.319 plays Morehead State Morehead Still in the OVC, then down 1291 01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:28.319 I sixty five. 1292 01:10:28.159 --> 01:10:28.840 In Bowling Green. 1293 01:10:29.520 --> 01:10:32.760 The third Monday game with also the third Monday game 1294 01:10:32.760 --> 01:10:35.920 with a new coach for Kentucky school, the Hank Plana 1295 01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:39.920 Era has the Hilltoppers hosting Wichita State, probably the toughest 1296 01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:42.119 of those three games. And by the way, my hometown 1297 01:10:42.199 --> 01:10:45.479 Murray State Racers, one of the preseason favorites in the 1298 01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:49.560 Missouri Valley Conference, host Bethel University from Tennessee. That's an 1299 01:10:49.640 --> 01:10:54.039 NAIA school. Also on Monday, Murray just dismissed sophomore guard 1300 01:10:54.119 --> 01:10:57.359 Lamont Rice after he was arrested on domestic violence related 1301 01:10:57.399 --> 01:11:01.119 charges down there may or may not affect team chemistry 1302 01:11:01.159 --> 01:11:04.119 initially or what they're planning to do. We'll see. My 1303 01:11:04.199 --> 01:11:07.039 prediction is the Cats will be much better than twenty third. 1304 01:11:07.079 --> 01:11:10.560 We always hate these preseason polls. Anyway, Louisville will eventually 1305 01:11:10.600 --> 01:11:12.439 get into the top twenty five, and they're already light 1306 01:11:12.520 --> 01:11:15.439 years better than any of Kenny Paine's teams. And Western 1307 01:11:15.439 --> 01:11:19.199 has its third coach in three years, so I'm just 1308 01:11:19.319 --> 01:11:21.680 told to that I have low expectations, but they got 1309 01:11:21.680 --> 01:11:22.920 some players, so we'll see. 1310 01:11:23.319 --> 01:11:24.159 Yeah. 1311 01:11:24.239 --> 01:11:26.880 Well, we've talked a lot about Kentucky already tonight and 1312 01:11:27.239 --> 01:11:31.359 as you know, wrapped up exhibition play with an impressive performance, 1313 01:11:31.399 --> 01:11:35.000 although there were things Mark Pope did not like. But 1314 01:11:35.439 --> 01:11:38.720 big on data, big on analytics, lots to study, as 1315 01:11:38.800 --> 01:11:42.000 you kids like to call it game film that they 1316 01:11:42.159 --> 01:11:45.000 like that they like to study, so they'll be ready 1317 01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:48.760 for their opener. Louisville's got an interesting schedule if you 1318 01:11:48.800 --> 01:11:50.479 look beyond what is it Morehead. 1319 01:11:50.159 --> 01:11:54.039 State on Monday, Tennessee. Yeah, you got Tennessee. 1320 01:11:53.640 --> 01:11:56.880 Coming up right after that in Bellerman and Winthrop, but 1321 01:11:56.920 --> 01:12:00.199 then Indiana and Ole Miss. So we're gonna learn a 1322 01:12:00.199 --> 01:12:04.000 lot about u of l early and it's uh in 1323 01:12:04.039 --> 01:12:09.279 its worksheet. Yeah, it's so weird, Gary, the revolving door 1324 01:12:10.119 --> 01:12:15.119 on your beloved Western Kentucky and uh, you know. And 1325 01:12:15.199 --> 01:12:18.199 to talk about Murray State still being in the OVC, man, 1326 01:12:19.239 --> 01:12:23.359 you just wish that conference would dig in, you know, 1327 01:12:23.920 --> 01:12:25.880 and get back to its roots. I don't know if 1328 01:12:25.920 --> 01:12:28.600 it can, but it used to be a brutally tough 1329 01:12:28.600 --> 01:12:30.560 place to play anywhere in the OVC. 1330 01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:31.159 You know that. 1331 01:12:31.680 --> 01:12:34.359 Yeah, Morehead and still in the OVC. 1332 01:12:34.560 --> 01:12:35.239 Yeah that's true. 1333 01:12:35.279 --> 01:12:39.359 Yeah, yeah, Well, our sixth and final swig here as 1334 01:12:39.600 --> 01:12:43.119 the greatest sideline journalist ever in the history of ever. You, 1335 01:12:43.319 --> 01:12:45.640 my friend, have been on the gridiron for many a 1336 01:12:45.800 --> 01:12:49.079 field stormings by winning fans. How many would you say 1337 01:12:49.079 --> 01:12:50.920 that you've been on the field just a rough estimate 1338 01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:51.479 that you've. 1339 01:12:51.560 --> 01:12:53.840 Oh, gosh, probably five or six. 1340 01:12:55.399 --> 01:12:57.359 None for me in football, I've been on two court 1341 01:12:57.359 --> 01:12:59.840 stormings in basketball, when in high school, when in college. 1342 01:13:00.279 --> 01:13:02.680 But let me introduce you now. Let me Gary Moore 1343 01:13:02.760 --> 01:13:06.760 introduce you now to Gary Morse of suburban Los Angeles, 1344 01:13:07.039 --> 01:13:10.800 who has stormed three different college football fields three consecutive 1345 01:13:10.840 --> 01:13:13.279 weekends this season already, and the year is still young. 1346 01:13:14.159 --> 01:13:18.159 To clarify, Morse is a highly recruited baseball prospect who 1347 01:13:18.279 --> 01:13:22.840 visited noted baseball school Vanderbilt. The weekend the upset number 1348 01:13:22.840 --> 01:13:26.479 one Alabama. There's field storming number one. The next week, 1349 01:13:26.760 --> 01:13:29.159 seventeen year old and his dad are in Eugene, Oregon 1350 01:13:29.399 --> 01:13:32.399 visiting the Ducks, and then they're at their Ohio State game. 1351 01:13:32.600 --> 01:13:35.159 Ducks go on to win against number two Ohio State, 1352 01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:37.880 field storming number two. The next weekend, the six to 1353 01:13:37.960 --> 01:13:41.119 eight right handed pitcher was in Knoxville for a recruiting 1354 01:13:41.199 --> 01:13:44.000 visit with the defending champs. When the Balls beat Bama, 1355 01:13:44.079 --> 01:13:48.720 field storming trifec to complete. Said the seventeen year old Morse, quote, 1356 01:13:48.760 --> 01:13:51.119 I won't lie to you. I'm living my best life. 1357 01:13:51.279 --> 01:13:53.960 Un Quote Dick. There's no guarantee that if you have 1358 01:13:54.039 --> 01:13:56.920 a first and last name with Gary Moose somewhere in it, 1359 01:13:57.199 --> 01:13:59.560 you'll live the life of a three time major college 1360 01:13:59.600 --> 01:14:01.399 fields dorming sought after recruit. 1361 01:14:01.720 --> 01:14:02.479 But you never know. 1362 01:14:02.720 --> 01:14:05.119 And it didn't cost him a dime, even though schools 1363 01:14:05.159 --> 01:14:06.560 probably had to pay fines. 1364 01:14:07.319 --> 01:14:08.840 But it didn't cost him anything. 1365 01:14:08.880 --> 01:14:13.520 And now he has that's right, and he has memories 1366 01:14:13.520 --> 01:14:14.680 that are priceless. 1367 01:14:14.680 --> 01:14:16.760 We'll come back and throw some hot reeds at Gary. 1368 01:14:16.800 --> 01:14:18.720 In just a minute, you're on a Big Blue Sider 1369 01:14:18.760 --> 01:14:20.079 six point thirty wlap. 1370 01:14:21.680 --> 01:14:23.800 Welcome back to the Big Blue Insider. We have heard 1371 01:14:23.800 --> 01:14:24.600 two guys. 1372 01:14:24.319 --> 01:14:26.279 In a six pack from our West n Bureau chief, 1373 01:14:26.319 --> 01:14:28.920 Gary More time to throw a couple of hot reeds 1374 01:14:28.960 --> 01:14:29.640 at him and Gary. 1375 01:14:29.720 --> 01:14:31.359 Earlier in the show, I talked. 1376 01:14:31.079 --> 01:14:36.399 About the Dwayne Wade statue. It's been unveiled. I can 1377 01:14:36.439 --> 01:14:40.880 hear your reaction already in Miami. And again, Kenny Smith 1378 01:14:40.920 --> 01:14:45.720 tried to be polite. Charles Barkley was Charles, but Charles 1379 01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:49.880 is known for his blunt honesty, if not just his 1380 01:14:49.960 --> 01:14:53.039 opinions in general. But I got a side with Troy, 1381 01:14:53.079 --> 01:14:55.800 and I appreciate Kenny saying, you know, this guy put 1382 01:14:55.800 --> 01:14:57.600 in a lot of time and work and effort and 1383 01:14:57.600 --> 01:15:01.079 all that. But I I got a side with the 1384 01:15:01.159 --> 01:15:02.239 Chuck Wagon on this one. 1385 01:15:02.279 --> 01:15:02.479 Man. 1386 01:15:02.600 --> 01:15:08.239 That is a terrible, terrible statue pandemonic looking huh oh man. 1387 01:15:09.600 --> 01:15:12.479 You know, the history with sports statues is very sketchy. 1388 01:15:12.560 --> 01:15:15.840 Either you nail it or it's kind of not good. 1389 01:15:16.279 --> 01:15:19.880 And we'll go back to nineteen sixty eight. They said 1390 01:15:19.920 --> 01:15:23.359 pretty much the same thing about the stand Musual statue, 1391 01:15:23.399 --> 01:15:26.159 remember that the very first, the tall statue, the very 1392 01:15:26.199 --> 01:15:29.760 first one that was ever at Bush Stadium outside the ballpark. Yeah, 1393 01:15:29.800 --> 01:15:31.199 and it was always the thing, Well, you know, whe're 1394 01:15:31.239 --> 01:15:32.439 you going to be. We'll meet you at the game 1395 01:15:32.439 --> 01:15:33.960 where you want to go. That's so huge, We'll meet 1396 01:15:34.000 --> 01:15:35.720 me at the statue. That's always the thing that you 1397 01:15:35.800 --> 01:15:37.119 know you do an you right? 1398 01:15:37.520 --> 01:15:37.680 Well. 1399 01:15:37.800 --> 01:15:42.880 Jack Buck later in many of his speeches to groups, 1400 01:15:42.880 --> 01:15:45.520 would say, I know the statue is bronze, but the 1401 01:15:45.560 --> 01:15:48.720 guy who did it must have been stoned because it 1402 01:15:48.760 --> 01:15:51.680 didn't resilutely really resemble him. And Musual worked with him 1403 01:15:51.680 --> 01:15:53.319 on the stands and stuff like that, but it got 1404 01:15:53.399 --> 01:15:55.560 really I'll never forget. I got really criticized about that. 1405 01:15:55.600 --> 01:15:58.319 I thought it was kind of cool. Same with a 1406 01:15:58.319 --> 01:16:00.479 bunch of other statues. They said the same thing about 1407 01:16:00.479 --> 01:16:03.039 the Shack statue outside of Staples, Well that doesn't really 1408 01:16:03.079 --> 01:16:05.640 look like Shack. So there's been a lot of blowback 1409 01:16:05.680 --> 01:16:07.399 on some of these statues. Some of them are are 1410 01:16:07.479 --> 01:16:09.520 perfect righte on. You never hear about the ones, Hey, 1411 01:16:09.560 --> 01:16:11.359 this is really good, but you always hear about the 1412 01:16:11.359 --> 01:16:12.439 bad ones like this. 1413 01:16:13.079 --> 01:16:16.000 That's the job, right to capture the. 1414 01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:18.680 Subject can make it look like tough man. Do you 1415 01:16:18.680 --> 01:16:22.039 remember the Ronaldo statue that or the bust? Oh they 1416 01:16:22.600 --> 01:16:24.880 actually redid that they did it was still kind of. 1417 01:16:24.800 --> 01:16:28.520 Eh, yeah, that's the first thing I thought of. Can 1418 01:16:28.600 --> 01:16:31.880 they fix this? Can they redo it? Or is the 1419 01:16:31.960 --> 01:16:34.960 artist standing by the artist? 1420 01:16:35.000 --> 01:16:36.800 The sculptor says that nobody could have done a better 1421 01:16:36.880 --> 01:16:38.560 job than him. He said, he's dead it because I'm 1422 01:16:38.600 --> 01:16:40.199 proud of it. You know, Dwayne worked with me and 1423 01:16:40.199 --> 01:16:41.760 he said, I'm proud of it. Nobody could do a 1424 01:16:41.800 --> 01:16:43.239 better job. Okay, And you know. 1425 01:16:43.239 --> 01:16:46.159 What if Dwayne's okay with it, I guess I'm okay 1426 01:16:46.159 --> 01:16:48.920 with it. But I just have a hard time. Are 1427 01:16:49.119 --> 01:16:51.720 a second hot read again? Going back to the Yankees 1428 01:16:51.880 --> 01:16:55.239 Dodgers game last night. You being a Dodgers fan, but 1429 01:16:56.000 --> 01:17:00.479 two guys wrestle with Mookie Bets. It's a bart Man moment, 1430 01:17:00.680 --> 01:17:02.760 but not nearly the same because the game wasn't on 1431 01:17:02.800 --> 01:17:06.279 the line. But it's not that they did that, Gary, 1432 01:17:06.840 --> 01:17:09.319 it's the fact that the team kind of shrugged it off. 1433 01:17:09.800 --> 01:17:11.640 You know, they're not banned. 1434 01:17:12.399 --> 01:17:14.520 You know, they were escorted from the stadium, which they 1435 01:17:14.560 --> 01:17:18.640 should have been, but at the very least they should 1436 01:17:18.680 --> 01:17:21.560 not be allowed back for the rest of the World Series. 1437 01:17:21.600 --> 01:17:23.720 Some people said it should be a lifetime ban. I 1438 01:17:23.760 --> 01:17:27.920 don't think so, because you know, they were in their spot. 1439 01:17:28.520 --> 01:17:30.560 I don't know if they're entitled to do that. I 1440 01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:32.520 don't know what the fine princess on the back of 1441 01:17:32.560 --> 01:17:37.319 the ticket stubs, but I'm amazed or maybe it shouldn't 1442 01:17:37.359 --> 01:17:39.920 be that the Yankees are shrugged off. 1443 01:17:41.239 --> 01:17:44.039 Well, yeah, I think one of the guys, if not 1444 01:17:44.079 --> 01:17:47.880 both are season ticket holders. They said, and the brother 1445 01:17:47.920 --> 01:17:50.840 of one said, well, you know, Mookie was swearing at 1446 01:17:50.920 --> 01:17:51.960 us afterwards. 1447 01:17:52.000 --> 01:17:52.479 Not good. 1448 01:17:53.039 --> 01:17:55.439 Well, when was the last time you saw New Yorker 1449 01:17:55.479 --> 01:17:58.439 complain about somebody swearing at them? That's that's the national 1450 01:17:58.520 --> 01:18:02.319 language of New York City, is blake. Yeah, hey, thanks 1451 01:18:02.319 --> 01:18:05.760 for perpetuating every bad stereotype about Yankees fans while you're 1452 01:18:05.800 --> 01:18:08.479 at it. That was terrible. This is where MLB should 1453 01:18:08.479 --> 01:18:10.119 come in and say, you know what, these guys are 1454 01:18:10.279 --> 01:18:12.159 are not going to have season tickets next year? 1455 01:18:12.680 --> 01:18:13.159 They're gone. 1456 01:18:13.560 --> 01:18:15.079 Yeah, they should have and they should have kept them 1457 01:18:15.079 --> 01:18:16.039 out for the whole game. It was like one of 1458 01:18:16.039 --> 01:18:18.800 those now boys, don't do that again. I get out 1459 01:18:18.840 --> 01:18:20.239 there and do that again. 1460 01:18:20.279 --> 01:18:21.079 If you get a chance. 1461 01:18:22.319 --> 01:18:23.319 Yeah, right exactly. 1462 01:18:23.359 --> 01:18:25.279 And then of the course the fans were proplauding them 1463 01:18:25.319 --> 01:18:27.720 coming up. They're like, hey, good job, wait to try 1464 01:18:27.760 --> 01:18:28.439 and steal the game. 1465 01:18:28.960 --> 01:18:31.720 Yeah, now, I'm with you, and they One of the 1466 01:18:31.760 --> 01:18:33.479 I think CNN or so many found one of the 1467 01:18:33.520 --> 01:18:36.319 guys later in a sports bar and the guy said, yeah, 1468 01:18:36.439 --> 01:18:38.479 you know, we talked about it. That's our spot, that's 1469 01:18:38.520 --> 01:18:42.640 our space. So I don't expect Major League Baseball to 1470 01:18:42.680 --> 01:18:45.760 lift a finger, and uh, maybe they'll surprises. 1471 01:18:46.159 --> 01:18:47.520 You can find my man. 1472 01:18:47.319 --> 01:18:49.720 Gary on ex or Twitter, whatever you'd like to call 1473 01:18:49.760 --> 01:18:52.560 it at at nine to five five Gary, same joint. 1474 01:18:52.560 --> 01:18:55.239 You're located at Big Blue Insider one. We'll see you 1475 01:18:55.279 --> 01:18:57.319 next week. Go Dodgers, go Toppers. 1476 01:18:58.279 --> 01:18:59.920 And that I'll do it for now, thanks to my 1477 01:19:00.039 --> 01:19:02.840 I guess Gary Moore, to doctor Ben Kipler, and to 1478 01:19:02.880 --> 01:19:04.520 the unforgettable guard Sean Woods. 1479 01:19:04.600 --> 01:19:05.039 Reminder. 1480 01:19:05.439 --> 01:19:09.399 UK Football seven forty five kickoff on Saturday night. We'll 1481 01:19:09.399 --> 01:19:12.920 have pregame coverage for you at five thirty with Christy 1482 01:19:13.119 --> 01:19:16.439 and Logan and Jeremy and then Tom Leech, Jeff Piccoor 1483 01:19:16.439 --> 01:19:18.720 and I will have the action as the Cats try 1484 01:19:18.760 --> 01:19:24.319 to upset the balls down in Cannocksville. Not impossible, Paul order. 1485 01:19:24.439 --> 01:19:26.199 But we'll see if they can get it down. That's 1486 01:19:26.239 --> 01:19:28.239 a good night from the garage in Lexington. 1487 01:19:28.640 --> 01:19:32.399 We really must be going. Thank you for a memorable afternoon. 1488 01:19:33.239 --> 01:19:35.279 Usually one must go to a bowling alley to meet 1489 01:19:35.279 --> 01:21:01.079 a woman of your statue, Da