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Speaker 1: You know, sometimes we'll see a stock take a big

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they know what their company's were if they know if

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it's an overreactions, but they didn't do that, and then

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so it sits down here on the bottom of the

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chart for six months. Suddenly two, three, four insiders start

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piling in. You know, we bought it, and looks in

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September the stock is doubled. I mean it's October. You know,

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it's been a month now. We we're of about fifty

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something percentance where we saw it. But you know, this

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is a stock that went from twenty dollars to two.

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It has been sitting there on the bottom of the

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chart for six months. Nobody's watching this thing, and you'd

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be a fool to buy the stock unless you had

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some kind of indication that things were improving. And I

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think the insider activity and they're buying is the best

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indicator I've ever found to let you know it might

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be tied and things starts starting around.

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Speaker 3: Ed Welcome you are listening to and watching the Financial

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Survival Network. I'm your host, Carrie Lutz. We got Ross

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Givens back with us today. Ross's your service. I heard

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about it, had you on the show. I immediately signed

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up and that was on My first trade was May

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twenty ninth. Since that point, I am up twenty three percent,

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down a little bit today around October twenty first, it's Monday.

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Doesn't look like it's a crash day, but the market's

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down a little bit, which to be expected. It's been

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up sure so strongly. But I told you pre call.

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I've been at this a long time. I've interviewed a

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zillion market guruz. Yes, there are systems that will work,

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you know, kind of modified by and hold right right

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the Dogs of the Dow. I was a big fan

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of the Dogs of the Dow, the AAII index that

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was great for a while. But this seems to work consistently.

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I'm looking at my portfolio now stock I've mentioned it

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on the show before Dominion energy utility in Northern Virginia.

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It basically is an indirect play on AI because all

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these data centers, they could take five hundred megawatts, which

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is like enough to power a small city. You know,

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three months after you recommended that stock, there was an

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article that I caught that said that basically they're up

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to capacity. They can't if you want to open a

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data center there. And understand, Northern Virginia is the epicenter

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of all the data operations.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, pretty much a monopoly on the power utility

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there more LAFE.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, and it's up fifteen per It's actually one

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of the slower performers, but it's paying a dividend. I'm

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up over sixteen percent since since May twenty ninth. I mean, yeah,

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looking at less than five months.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, listen, I love hearing you're making some money.

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And by the way, to address the elephant in the room,

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I apologize. I've got my analyst here with me today.

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Her mother had to run out of town and she

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woke up with one hundred and two degree fever. So

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we just moved him in the home office. And you

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see empty bookshelves behind me. So I'm playing dad and

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stock trader today. But yeah, Carrie, listen, I love hearing

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your up body. You know, we've been doing this since

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twenty seventeen, and you know you're intelligent. You've been markets

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a long time. You know, nothing works every day, every week,

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every month, right, But you know we've never had a

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down year. That includes a twenty twenty two beer market.

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I think we returned thirty percent. We've had years like

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twenty twenty we made three hundred something percent. That's just

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a stock coot fold just you know, twenty percent per

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so it actually works. The limitations we talked about before

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the coal and I think the reason because the question

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simply tracking insider trading activity to look for what I

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a little biotech company in the middle of stage two

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drug trials breaking in like forty cents a share. Tick

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her simple c at x's perspective therapeutics. Then suddenly in

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the chief medical officer all suddenly buying this stock up

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hand over fist for the first time in years. And

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of three hundred something percent the next few months. You know,

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anmeulyks which we bought right at thirty days ago fifty

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six percent. And we have some that just don't go

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at where sometimes they were all buying and it was

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your company's doing that, or leaf earnings are bad, if

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like what you say, why would the CEO and the

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CFO and the board always people be buying, you know,

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with their own money it's it's just very rare. And

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that the highest likelihood of delivering, as you said, above

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earnings above expectation, the earnings or great drug trials, or

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up for energy production the next two years. And so

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hearing your experience, and I hope we open in more

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people eyes up to this. You know why, I thing

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some big loophole for investors.

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Speaker 3: Hey, so talking about ameliks, That one I found fascinating

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because the stock got I think they're making a treatment

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for Luke Garrick's disease. It got rushed through, the studies

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weren't complete. Then the study comes out, the stock goes

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insider start buying in, and it's like, well, they know

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but they didn't do that. And then so it sits

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this thing, and you'd be a fool to buy the

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stock unless you had some kind of indication things were improving.

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it might be time and things starts.

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twenty five percent or so, it went up cell half,

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which I did. You locked in that profit, so I'm

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not going to lose any money my worst.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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starts sinking again. If I get out for what I paid,

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short period of time. You do that enough times, all

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book here. I don't recommend stock. I'm not in a

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financial planner. I'm not allowed to. I'm just recounting the

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experience from what are your recommendations where it really it

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really proved true and maybe later this week it'll go

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even higher. There's something going on with that stock we

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don't know but yet. But yeah, that's the thing. All

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we do is share our research. Know it's up to

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our people to u are up to our members and

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decide what they want to do. But you've seen we

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send pretty in depth research on these picks, and we

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don't just give them a ticker.

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Speaker 1: It's like here's the company, here's they do. Here insiders

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your buy and we look for the common things that

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is this rare? You know, if it's a guy who

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we really just use a ton of common sense to

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well on it. On average. You know, it's it's usually

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a home run trade every four or five that's a

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fifty one hundred. I mean, we've had some go up

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nineteen hundred percent, and so you sprinkle a couple of

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heck of return. So the twenty five percent of rual

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we put in a while back, it's like, look, it's

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let's let's take the base it. Let's take half of it.

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room to you know, let's let's let's see if they're

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on something huge or it's going to be you know,

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a single or a double you know. I mean, we

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in twenty twenty three. Well, it turns out they're like

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an online pharmacy for the weight loss drums for the

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how big those were when the insider started buying. But

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you know they're on the inside, right, they're getting sales

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reports every week and they're like, our sales are doubling

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earning report? So you know we get in early. You know,

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we went up two three hundred percent in the twelve

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to do that, but you know, you can risk fifteen

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even one out of ten that doesn't double a triple

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staying power. Well, that's right. Yeah, what you're referring to

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is those these short swing rules. So one of the

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things the sec DOT did that's back in the ten

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B five one rule to say, look all right, guys,

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we're gonna let you trade. We know you're They basically said,

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we know you're going to buy once inside it for measure.

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you're not gonna pump indump. You're not gonna buy on Tuesday.

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Report a big number Wednesday sell thursdays that if you buy,

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you're holding for six months. If you still a day

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before that, we're taking the profits. So well, that does

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is you properly pointed out? Is it gets you those stocks?

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like to to go up and stay up. So and

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that's why, you know, our average holding time was probably

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three to four months on these a couple we've held

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Speaker 3: Uh. But yeah, it's not you know, it's not day trading.

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money than the insiders because that thing could.

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Speaker 1: Go up and then go down. Yeah.

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than the insiders.

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Speaker 1: Ken. Yeah, it's happened many times. Sure, So that's that's

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like a cool thing. Se know, there's kind of two

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reasons they buy. I started me to cut you off.

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two main scenarios we see. One is a big drop

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stock got too cheap, insiders from buying, so the one

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we talked about, it's a great example of that. Those

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can be difficult because you've got to try to read

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between the lines. Guard you know, these guys, are they

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just adding shares on they're going to hold for twenty years?

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Is it because our time frame is difference in theirs.

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fifty two week highs. It's it's it's it's you know,

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already up fifty percent this month. But why they buying now?

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company's doing much better to market relaunch, So it's generally

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either a turnaround or trying to get a bottom for

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a pre breakout where news is yet to come out.

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money spends the same carry.

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Speaker 3: And then you got these perfect inside traders who always

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make money on every stock they're and the insider in

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and those are just like they're just given these.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it's not guaranteed, but we do focus very heavily

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on their track record. You know, I like to see

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first time. I love to see somebody's been at that

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company five years, never bought, never suddenly, mind two or

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three times, that's good. If they've bought before. I need

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to see a tracker of success. You know, most these

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people are NBA level top you know, se left C suite,

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smart people, but it doesn't mean they're great stock triggers.

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big bi well last time I didn't stock with down

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fifty percent and this, you know, we're not going to

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take it. But if you just like if you're picking

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a portfolio manager, right, it's not a guarantee, but if

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you're going to pick, you know, somebody a twenty year

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track record of market return which you got have twenty

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year losing returns, you know, what are you going to

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do better with? So we do focus on the insiders,

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you're right, that have perfect track records, that have like, look,

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every time you've bought it was near the lower right

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before a big move, and so if they have a

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history of beating the market, it's just going to improve

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your odds. It should A bunch of little things we're

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stacking up and at the end, of the day. You know,

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you really put the odds in your favor.

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Speaker 3: Well, one thing I haven't tried yet is doing the

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options on that because I figured, you know, let me

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see the stocks first. How that's yours? The options? I mean,

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when I see your sell half, they've often gone up

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one hundred and one hundred and fifty percent.

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Speaker 1: Oh, is there anything any.

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Speaker 3: Advice you can give newbie options traders to not get

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cut in like the whipsaw of the action, the volatility

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and these options.

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Speaker 1: Well, the first thing I tell people when it comes

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to the options we recommend is like, don't use the

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stop loss. I mean, you really can't use to stop loss,

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especially on some dollar stocks. They're a little bit spready,

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you know, maybe a dollar by a dollar half. It's

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not like an Apple call. And so it's like, look,

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if you were going to put ten grand in the

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stock and risk ten percent to one thousand dollars, we'll

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buy one thousand dollars with a call option. You know,

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don't put ten grand in the call option. I'm gona

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use it twenty five percent. Stop. You're gonna get tagged out.

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Just the spreads are wide and it's going to tag you.

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our our our average option, we look three or six

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months out, usually that thirty forty delta range, and if

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that stock goes up twenty percent the first month or two,

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that option almost always is at least a double. So

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usually we double those sell half you've got all your

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money back whatever, you sell the rest of them on

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a freebie. And so you know, if I'm targeting option

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A four or five six months out and you've you

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got all your money back in month too, well, now

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you've got all the upside essentially for free. And then

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once it gets in the money, you don't have that

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time decay risks. So we try to sell them you

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thirty thirty days out or less. But yeah, I mean,

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the biggest advice for options, I know it's not sexy

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to say, is just you know, you can't use a

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stop bloss on. Mostly you just put the money and

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you will under risk. Just know it's it's going to

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go to zero or down eighty percent, or you're going

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to double triple your money.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna dabble in it a little bit,

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I think, you know, just getting the brokers as some

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of them are soon annoying about approving your account for

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options tradings nowadays because really sins, they've been sued so

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many times they just don't want to take the risk anymore.

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Speaker 1: All the Robin Hoood kids are ruining for the rest

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of us. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So so when you're like, it's tempting though, when you

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see an option and it goes up one hundred percent

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to not just bail on the position and take the

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one hundred percent profit.

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Speaker 1: Though, is it? Yeah? Yeah, look, there's nothing wrong with that.

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I mean, we there's really aw's there's no perfect answer

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to that. I mean there's no to say, here's a

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by the low and sell the high and everything between.

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All we can do is does a doctor Okay, I guess.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well we'll wrap up because your daughter there

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as we get sorry about that.

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Speaker 1: Hey, that's okay, Just tell us again where we find you.

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I'll have a link in the show notes. Yeah, the

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link below. We've got. We do a training session usually

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once a month or so, so sit have a link

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to that. I think the last one is up able man,

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and you've been actually watching but uh yeah, little trays

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a you got calm or cook that link below to

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take you right to our training and I walk you

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through it now a lot of presentation. We show you

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what we look through and what you look out for,

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how the strategy works, and you know, I think people's

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eyes generally get open and quickly.

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Speaker 3: All right, well I love it, keep doing it, and

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you know it seems like also just one final point,

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there's no shortage of these companies that are constantly popping

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up on your screen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, there's seven thousand publicly traded companies. I mean,

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we're not we're not recommending to Google and Amazon and Microsoft.

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There's no edge there. You got five billion people competing

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with that, you know. But but it's Analyks Pharmaceuticals or

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Cantloop or at Mistiltration, you know, LAMB Western. These are

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off the radar stocks, and these are these are ones

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where there's a much bigger opportunity out there for the

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average investor. All right, hey, well appreciate you coming back on.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad it's good to share my success with you,

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and thank you personally. And if you've got a question

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for Ross myself, shoot me an emailkl at Carrie LUTs

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dot com. The link to a free webinar from Ross

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is in the show. That's this interview on Financial Survival

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Network dot com.

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Speaker 1: Ross.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully I'll talk to you in a few months and

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the games will be even bigger.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Wait, thanks Gerry, good to see it.

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