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Speaker 3: Jay.
Speaker 2: Before we get into the commerce station, where can everybody
Speaker 2: find your work?
Speaker 1: What is you all about?
Speaker 3: You can find my work at my website, mainly Jay's
Speaker 3: nasis dot com that has all the archived content going
Speaker 3: back about ten years, all the lectures, interviews, deep dives
Speaker 3: on global elite text and then you can find me
Speaker 3: on Twitter and Instagram and YouTube under my name Jay Dyer.
Speaker 3: And I'm all about the also right for the Sam
Speaker 3: Hid Show, and I host the fourth Hour, our host
Speaker 3: of the fourth hour of the Alex Youno Show the
Speaker 3: last five or six years. I don't know if I
Speaker 3: will be able to keep doing that, but I'm all
Speaker 3: about geopolitics, comedy, philosophy, film, and that's what I'm all.
Speaker 2: About you know, you're a busy guy, Jay, and I
Speaker 2: appreciate you making some time for us. And what we're
Speaker 2: here to talk about a very important subject, and that
Speaker 2: is whether or not Hitler was aggressively aggressively. But before
Speaker 2: we even get into that, we have to discuss.
Speaker 1: Well, wait, I want to know what is going on
Speaker 1: with Alex Jones.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's a good question. He's getting sued for
Speaker 4: billions of dollars. Info Wars is dead. But then I
Speaker 4: look and I still see Info Wars and I see
Speaker 4: you there and all these guys, So what exactly is happening?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So basically it's a long drawn out, you know,
Speaker 3: court battle, and it's three different, I think, three different lawsuits.
Speaker 3: So I think they did finally learn that they won't
Speaker 3: be able to keep the studios, so Alex will continue
Speaker 3: to go. It's just that Info War Studios will eventually
Speaker 3: be seized in the next five days to two weeks.
Speaker 3: So it went all the way to the Supreme Court,
Speaker 3: and the Supreme Court decided that they would not hear it,
Speaker 3: so they just shuck it down as even worthy of hearing,
Speaker 3: so they didn't even look at it. But it did
Speaker 3: at least make it that far up. But people think
Speaker 3: that it's like, oh, how come it's not shut down yet? Well,
Speaker 3: court cases take years, so that's one. Right.
Speaker 2: It's a long process, a grueling process, and that sucks
Speaker 2: to hear Man because obviously, you know he's built that
Speaker 2: over how long. We were talking to Matt and the
Speaker 2: coffee shop and he was like, dude, I was listening
Speaker 2: to Alex Jones back when he was talking about Moloch
Speaker 2: and he was breaking into brohem I'm sorry, Bohemian grove.
Speaker 2: I'm so used to saying that. But yeah, man, but
Speaker 2: you can't stop Alex. You could take away his stuff,
Speaker 2: and you could take away maybe the area that he
Speaker 2: does it in and YadA YadA, but you can't stop
Speaker 2: Alex Jones.
Speaker 4: So let's be careful. Let's be really careful talking about
Speaker 4: the guy. I mean, I thought we were past that
Speaker 4: kind of stuff, of like a weird I don't even
Speaker 4: want to talk about it.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about it.
Speaker 2: Well, look, I want to lay the groundwork for this
Speaker 2: because a lot of people are gonna ask themselves why
Speaker 2: are we talking about Hitler? And those people surely are
Speaker 2: not on Twitter, and so I want to kind of
Speaker 2: lay the groundwork and explain to people what has been
Speaker 2: developing over these last.
Speaker 1: I was conservatively two years, but certainly more than that.
Speaker 2: And what's really gained a lot of traction in the
Speaker 2: last year is this sudden appreciation and that's probably putting
Speaker 2: it mildly for Hitler. A lot of things have sort
Speaker 2: of come to light, things that we didn't understand about
Speaker 2: World War two, and that's led people to a lot
Speaker 2: of conclusions about the Nazis, about Hitler, and it's brought
Speaker 2: us to a really weird place culturally lately. And Jay,
Speaker 2: you found yourself kind of in the middle of these discussions,
Speaker 2: so if you could, can you talk to that a
Speaker 2: little bit? What's going on? Why are we talking about Hitler?
Speaker 2: Why are people suddenly thinking that he's based.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think Kanye had Yea had a huge
Speaker 3: role in kind of popularizing this from a memetic warfare perspective.
Speaker 3: Four Chan played a role, So there's a lot of
Speaker 3: different you know, outlets. I guess you could say that
Speaker 3: kind of made this a talking point in the culture.
Speaker 3: Probably a lot of meme warfare and then the relaxing
Speaker 3: of the algorithm in the last couple of years, to
Speaker 3: a degree which seems to be very selective, has allowed
Speaker 3: for people to start uploading old speeches, et cetera from
Speaker 3: Hitler and Ai speeches and all this, and so these
Speaker 3: reels and clips are just going to kind of going crazy.
Speaker 3: One reason for it is also the obvious point that,
Speaker 3: you know, Zionism has a huge level of control over
Speaker 3: our government, lobby apack all that. So that's there's some
Speaker 3: truth to the lockdown, the censorship, you know, the things
Speaker 3: you can't talk about. But then what happens is that
Speaker 3: people tend to then think, oh, if I've been lied to,
Speaker 3: then everything's a lie, right, Oh everything is an illusion,
Speaker 3: everything's and so they get into these sort of really
Speaker 3: extreme polar opposition positions. And that's that's a tactic that
Speaker 3: I think the establishment knows that humans are kind of
Speaker 3: creatures of extreme so they'll go to the opposite pendlum
Speaker 3: swing and then they'll adopt, Oh, if Zionism is, you know,
Speaker 3: has a huge influence in our government, then the polar
Speaker 3: opposite must be this solution. And there's a lot of
Speaker 3: different nuanced, you know, points and takes that qualify a
Speaker 3: lot of this, and we're going to talk about that
Speaker 3: I'm sure, but those are the reasons that I think
Speaker 3: is popular. And then also I would be suspicious of
Speaker 3: Silicon Valley suddenly allowing these things. And the after narrative is, oh, well,
Speaker 3: they couldn't stop us. We broke containment. It's like, I mean,
Speaker 3: they still censor people. So I'm not sure why you
Speaker 3: think that it's breaking containment. I would be very suspicious that,
Speaker 3: especially since all the people who are the Silicon Valley
Speaker 3: elites that are subservient to people in the Middle East.
Speaker 3: Are they really just allowing this because they can't stop it,
Speaker 3: or are they perhaps allowing it for a certain reason,
Speaker 3: And that's my concern. I don't know that for sure.
Speaker 3: I'm speculating. You know, we had NAPO cybercom operations running
Speaker 3: wild in twenty twenty when the Russian you know, Ukraine
Speaker 3: conflict kicked off and that kind of died down, So
Speaker 3: this might be a new angle on the NAPO operation
Speaker 3: if you're familiar with that.
Speaker 4: Do you do you think that the Nazi this kind
Speaker 4: of like the Nazi rhetoric, is that the end all
Speaker 4: of of whatever game that we're playing, because it's it's
Speaker 4: it seems like this like a seesaw game that will
Speaker 4: will go back and forth that get us closer to
Speaker 4: whatever conclusion we are supposed to end up at. And
Speaker 4: when you do your research, I don't want to like
Speaker 4: bury the lead know this, but when you check out
Speaker 4: the Nazis and you see what they were into, and
Speaker 4: you see how they were incorporated in this government, all
Speaker 4: the esoteric things that they were researching and developing, and
Speaker 4: then you also look at the concerted effort of the
Speaker 4: left to kind of make they've made Nazis. They made
Speaker 4: saying that Nazism is bad almost like synonymous with the
Speaker 4: way that they've made the Bible look corny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you understand what I'm saying. I know what
Speaker 2: you're getting at. It's this idea that they they first
Speaker 2: over used it until the point where it lost its meaning.
Speaker 2: And then now if I say it, if I'm actually
Speaker 2: like no, actually wait a second, guys, these these dudes
Speaker 2: are kind of doing some weird Now. Left, now you're yeah,
Speaker 2: and I feel almost embarrassing. But for the other side,
Speaker 2: it's like when they know that I don't care about
Speaker 2: your booze. I've seen what's what makes you clap? And
Speaker 2: the Left, who's become so despised, and you know by
Speaker 2: the other side calls you a na see it's almost
Speaker 2: like a badge of honor. Now, so there's a lot
Speaker 2: of like cultural priming that led us to this. And
Speaker 2: I agree with what Jay, what you're saying, this idea
Speaker 2: of like, you know, the algorithms kind of softening.
Speaker 1: Up and and and.
Speaker 2: I'm highly suspicious of that because I think it really
Speaker 2: takes place specifically on x or Twitter and it and
Speaker 2: it seems to be at the hand of Elon Musk.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is something we talk about on the
Speaker 2: show a lot. But Top you had this hyper viral
Speaker 2: tweet one time where you post a picture of Joe
Speaker 2: Biden looking all sleepy and and then you post a
Speaker 2: picture of Mill Gibson Mel Gibson and he looks jacked,
Speaker 2: and it says you could either drink Adrina chro you
Speaker 2: can hate the j's which way western man? And Elon
Speaker 2: Musk actually comments on that post and he goes, wow,
Speaker 2: is mel Gibson really that of these days? Now what
Speaker 2: we're led to believe? And that turns into a whole debacle.
Speaker 2: They write articles. Elon actually removes his own comment from that,
Speaker 2: but it was this really early signifier in my opinion
Speaker 2: that like, hey, we're allowed to talk like this.
Speaker 4: It was the early Roman salute from Elon, and yeah,
Speaker 4: all downhill from there.
Speaker 1: But I think it's I think it's nefarious.
Speaker 2: I think that Elon has been putting his finger on
Speaker 2: the scale.
Speaker 1: When he bought Twitter, he bought.
Speaker 2: The ability to affect culture on a high degree, and
Speaker 2: it seems to me that this is the culture that
Speaker 2: he was hoping to affect, or the direction that he
Speaker 2: was hoping to push us in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it could also be a way to keep tabs
Speaker 3: on everybody who is dissident and exactly what the numbers are,
Speaker 3: and you know, give people the impression. I'm not saying
Speaker 3: that people shouldn't speak their mind, but you know that
Speaker 3: there were similar types of things going on at the
Speaker 3: time of jade Helm. I don't know if you guys
Speaker 3: remember that, but that was a similar situation where the
Speaker 3: speculation ended up being that the reason that they admitted
Speaker 3: that they were doing all these continuity of government drills.
Speaker 3: This was about twenty twelve, thirteen, somewhere in there fourteen
Speaker 3: U was so they wanted to actually track what people
Speaker 3: are saying online about this idea of you know, civil
Speaker 3: unrest and government reaction programs and drills that were being
Speaker 3: done across multiple states for the possibility of like a
Speaker 3: civil war imminent collapse. And of course all the you
Speaker 3: know patriotard crowd thought, oh do they're coming. They're gonna
Speaker 3: put us in the un camps. And really all it
Speaker 3: was was tracking and seeing what the reactions of people
Speaker 3: were online in mass So you have to understand that
Speaker 3: the military de Pentagon, they watch and study all this
Speaker 3: very intently. And I don't think that you know, anybody
Speaker 3: at that Silicon Valley level, they're not disconnected from that
Speaker 3: Pentagon you know cybercom establishment. They're all tied into the
Speaker 3: same DARPA style, you know, anessay style networks. Now, granted,
Speaker 3: there's probably a lot of people in those agencies that
Speaker 3: would agree and are opposed to the corruption of our system,
Speaker 3: but you still just can't trust these people. You know,
Speaker 3: all these Silicon value leade people are pretty much known
Speaker 3: for being very backstabby and very They'll ride the waves,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, They'll ride trends, and that
Speaker 3: doesn't really tell us that that they're genuine. They're just
Speaker 3: kind of riding waves. But the other thing I'll say
Speaker 3: on that too, is that the meaning which had been
Speaker 3: studied at a very high level. There's a old there
Speaker 3: was a study down like ten years ago at GHQ,
Speaker 3: which is the British version of the NSA, and they
Speaker 3: did a study on meme magic, talking about how you
Speaker 3: can speak to the collective unconscious through these archetypal imagery
Speaker 3: symbols and whatnot. That's kind of a big part of
Speaker 3: what changing images a Man actually talks about in the
Speaker 3: later the later chapters is engineering and co opting cultural
Speaker 3: memes and archetypes and retooling them to give man a
Speaker 3: new world, you in a new paradigm. And so the
Speaker 3: reason I say that is that when you talk about
Speaker 3: Hitler the meme. Now, according to many of the guys
Speaker 3: that called in, we did probably I don't know, fifteen
Speaker 3: hours of calling spaces on this in the last several
Speaker 3: weeks and just call her after caller. Many of them
Speaker 3: note that the history doesn't even matter to them. It's
Speaker 3: just totally a symple divorce from the reality. Remember the
Speaker 3: Sam Hide meme. You know that Sam Hyde has done
Speaker 3: all the mass casualty events and people ask them about that,
Speaker 3: and he's like, yeah, well, the meme actually took on
Speaker 3: a life of its own. It's like it's not even
Speaker 3: connected to me anymore. And in the same way, it's
Speaker 3: a postmodern attitude to where you take a meme, divorce
Speaker 3: it from its history and kind of give it your
Speaker 3: own narrative of your own story. So it's a postmodern
Speaker 3: will to power situation, which actually fits perfectly with Nazism.
Speaker 3: That's what Alfred Rosenberg did when he crafted the narrative
Speaker 3: of the Reich. He just kind of made it up
Speaker 3: wholesale and came up with these ideas like positive Christianity,
Speaker 3: which would get rid of all the Old Testament elements.
Speaker 3: It would be a kind of a gnostic Marcian Knight
Speaker 3: version of Christianity for the Reich. So that's what they're doing.
Speaker 3: The same thing that Rosenberg did today is tiny mustache
Speaker 3: moun followers.
Speaker 2: That that's a really interesting point because I can see
Speaker 2: there's like two schools of thought on this. It's like
Speaker 2: one of them is the database aspect, and they're looking
Speaker 2: for extremists and this is for you know, somebody that
Speaker 2: alarmis would say, when the noa Hyde laws finally start
Speaker 2: to be putting effect, they're gonna come for you. They're
Speaker 2: gonna have this backlog of every anti Semitic thing that
Speaker 2: you've said. And here in Florida, you know, we had
Speaker 2: DeSantis passing anti Semitism laws and all these other things.
Speaker 2: But then there's this other side of me that looks
Speaker 2: and goes, I think the Nazi sympathizing is really the point,
Speaker 2: and that this doesn't end, you know, with a persecution
Speaker 2: of people who are any Semitic ideology, but that this
Speaker 2: ends in this resurrection in some way, shape or form
Speaker 2: of a modern day Nazi movement. And the reason that
Speaker 2: I think that it's interesting that you just said what
Speaker 2: you did because I look at Operation paper Clip, and
Speaker 2: I look at this time frame of like the late
Speaker 2: forties early fifties as being the epicenter for the development
Speaker 2: of so many programs that are prevalent today prevalent today,
Speaker 2: and we're seeing kind of the fruits.
Speaker 1: Like you asked, is this the end all? Be all right?
Speaker 2: That's what you said earlier top, And it's like it
Speaker 2: kind of feels like we're in a little bit of
Speaker 2: an endgame scenario from stuff that was developed way back
Speaker 2: then when we took a bunch of Nazis out of
Speaker 2: Germany through Operation paper Clip.
Speaker 4: We're at the culmination of you know, like we're at
Speaker 4: the culmination of what mk Ultra looked to achieve on
Speaker 4: like an individual basis. Now we're doing it nationwide, probably
Speaker 4: worldwide through We're not going to say it here, and
Speaker 4: then shortly after with you know, like uie Geller, and
Speaker 4: also with we've done a bunch of work with on
Speaker 4: injuries you Pouharsh the alien phenomenon that's also coming to
Speaker 4: culmination now. But that all started right at like, you know,
Speaker 4: forty seven, forty eight, and the implementation of it. All
Speaker 4: this stuff is happening right now. So I'm like, is
Speaker 4: are we like fulfilling the Nazi age? Because have these
Speaker 4: guys ever left? Have they been that deeply entrenched in
Speaker 4: our shadow government?
Speaker 1: Who? Which way are we going?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: What do you think about that Jay muted or something.
Speaker 3: Another angle on this, which is plausible is the idea
Speaker 3: that since they, you know, have been calling everybody Nazi
Speaker 3: for so long, they actually need to create that opposition.
Speaker 3: So you allow it to allow this to kind of
Speaker 3: build up, and then you've got you know, kind of
Speaker 3: an existing pseudo organic movement. One example of this too
Speaker 3: would be prison gangs. If you think about the way
Speaker 3: the prisons are structured, and if you listen to a
Speaker 3: lot of interviews with people that have been in prisons
Speaker 3: and super maxis and whatnot. I did a lot of
Speaker 3: podcasts with Sewan Attwood over the years, and he's always
Speaker 3: telling his Arizona prison stories. Who've done Sammy the Bull
Speaker 3: interviews and he's got a bunch of those two. They
Speaker 3: talk about how it's very segregated and controlled in that
Speaker 3: way when you kind of divide everybody up into the
Speaker 3: sort of tribal camps. And I'm not saying that people
Speaker 3: can have a concern for their ethnicity and their people groups.
Speaker 3: That's healthy and that's natural. People should be self determining.
Speaker 3: The problem is that when you do this in a polarizing,
Speaker 3: extreme way, you can use this as a technique to
Speaker 3: break down and destroy civilization. So I think that's the
Speaker 3: unfortunate situation that we're at which they put all these
Speaker 3: pressures on the system of purpose to foment civil unrast
Speaker 3: with the Podesta Plan and with you know, shutting off
Speaker 3: my EBT snap cards that kind of stuff, which I'm
Speaker 3: going to be out. We'll be out in the streets
Speaker 3: next week, Dough.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: We actually just through the audience, US and Jay are
Speaker 2: planning on robbing the local Walmart. And so if you
Speaker 2: guys are in the area and you're looking to join, listen, guys,
Speaker 2: if you're not stealing.
Speaker 3: I'll be sunny books as I want rob the Walmart.
Speaker 2: If you want to go two birds one stone, you know,
Speaker 2: but go ahead.
Speaker 3: This book talks about that, is this whole idea of
Speaker 3: crafting a new image through giving people a new paradigm,
Speaker 3: allowing people to have a new paradigm. And I think
Speaker 3: you're right that I don't think that the the the
Speaker 3: paper Clip faction has totally run everything in our government.
Speaker 3: I think they were a minority faction. They were kind
Speaker 3: of shunted into the GOP for a while. They didn't
Speaker 3: have a lot of power and influence. But there is
Speaker 3: that faction that's there that has a very strict, you know,
Speaker 3: eugenics policy. And I think you could look at this
Speaker 3: as an example that because all the all the people
Speaker 3: in this book, the writers of this they're very influenced
Speaker 3: by Madam Wilvatsi's theosophy, and her theosophy was influential on
Speaker 3: a lot of the SS, you know Reich type leaders
Speaker 3: like Himler. She talks about the root races and the
Speaker 3: next you know, instantiation of an empire, that would be
Speaker 3: the next root race that would have that would evolve.
Speaker 3: And they kind of co opted that and said, oh,
Speaker 3: that's the Teutonic Knights, you know, the Germanic Teutonic Knights.
Speaker 3: And that's where you get into the cult side of this,
Speaker 3: which you mentioned Berner von Braun I think, and paper
Speaker 3: Clip and some of those guys were into the occult.
Speaker 3: But you know, Himmler exploed thought he could do this
Speaker 3: sort of ritual re enactment at different castles and Germany.
Speaker 3: So he actually wasn't a cultist. I don't know that
Speaker 3: they all were. And I'm not really seeing any signific
Speaker 3: evidence that Hitler himself wasn't a cultist. There there might
Speaker 3: be evidence of that, but I mean there's enough in
Speaker 3: mind comf if you've read it that like, obviously it's
Speaker 3: not Christian, that should be obvious.
Speaker 2: That's an interesting thing that's that's emerged out of this
Speaker 2: is this idea that that Hitler himself was Christian, or
Speaker 2: that he had this uh sympathy for Christianity or or
Speaker 2: Christ himself. Earlier, you said that it's a it's a
Speaker 2: natural thing for an individual to align across like racial
Speaker 2: lines and things.
Speaker 4: What were the reasons why you'd say that he's not
Speaker 4: a Christian that you've that you've noticed.
Speaker 2: Well, that's I don't want to bury the lead on that,
Speaker 2: because that's I think is the is the the real
Speaker 2: meat of the discussion that I want to have today,
Speaker 2: because I kind of wanted to try to dispel this,
Speaker 2: this whole hitler and really highlight who he was and
Speaker 2: what he what he believed. But before we go there,
Speaker 2: I'm interested in this of the lead up to this
Speaker 2: cultural phenomenon that we find ourselves in.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: You said that it's natural to sort of align one
Speaker 2: along their own racial lines, right, that that's a natural
Speaker 2: thing and there's nothing wrong with that, but that when
Speaker 2: it's kind of orchestrated within these extreme circumstances, it results
Speaker 2: in really terrible things. Do you think that the suppression
Speaker 2: of that natural urge, that natural inclination was organic, Because
Speaker 2: whether or not it was organic or orchestrated, we certainly
Speaker 2: did go through that, right, Like let's say, white people
Speaker 2: for example, it is you can't express any sort of
Speaker 2: like white power or white alignment. It's very problematic to
Speaker 2: do that. It's okay for other races to do that,
Speaker 2: but then you see this sort of weaponization against white
Speaker 2: people where it's like white people cannot be the recipients
Speaker 2: or the victims of racism, let's say, and they change
Speaker 2: the definitions of racism. There's a lot of changing the definitions,
Speaker 2: changing the language around things in order to justify and also,
Speaker 2: I think, make it so that a baseline station about
Speaker 2: the fundamentals that we're operating in can't happen if you
Speaker 2: change the definitions of everything that we simply can't have
Speaker 2: a discussion because now we're just arguing about what these
Speaker 2: words mean at their root. So from my perspective, it
Speaker 2: looks like that was part of this. You had to
Speaker 2: go through that in order to get to this. What
Speaker 2: do you think, Jay, Is that an organic thing or
Speaker 2: is this just a byproduct? Is this a byproduct of
Speaker 2: an organic event? Or was that an orchestrated thing?
Speaker 3: No, it's absolutely orchestrated. In fact, I read the Practical
Speaker 3: Idealism by Count Callergy, and Calergy's book was presented to
Speaker 3: the Royal Society, Atlantis's establishment. They said, yes, we'll use
Speaker 3: this in concert with Lionel Curtis's plan for a kind
Speaker 3: of a socialist federation approach to how we would run
Speaker 3: the West. So when you look at Canada and when
Speaker 3: you look at the UK, they're really just about ten
Speaker 3: twenty years ahead of us in this exact same planet
Speaker 3: they have for us in all the West. And that
Speaker 3: includes the web of mass migration, you know, open demographic
Speaker 3: warfare side of it, which proves partly what you're arguing here,
Speaker 3: what you're asking about. The demographic warfare is one hund
Speaker 3: percent real. Clergy's book says that we will basically create
Speaker 3: a giant, homunculous blob of people and only there will
Speaker 3: only be a has he put it a Middle Eastern
Speaker 3: people's supremacy. He says that in the book. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: that was presented. They said, yeah, we'll go with this plan.
Speaker 3: They combined it with other sort of more Fabian socialist
Speaker 3: models of how to integrate the West. And so you
Speaker 3: have to understand Fabian socialism in tandem with this, because
Speaker 3: all the Fabian socials elites said, we've got to get
Speaker 3: rid of the Western white male, especially the Christian white male.
Speaker 3: He's the number one enemy. Bernard Shaw, you know, bertrand Russell,
Speaker 3: they all said this, and they said for the UK
Speaker 3: and Europe import Islam, for the US import you know,
Speaker 3: from south of the border. So they're very explicit. When
Speaker 3: you read these texts. You're not supposed to read these sections.
Speaker 3: I'm supposed to talk about these texts. They're all public,
Speaker 3: they're all you can find the PDFs on you know,
Speaker 3: archive dot org. So it's all very real. That's one
Speaker 3: side of it. And then you're talking about, you know,
Speaker 3: to what degree, all that was organic? It was one
Speaker 3: percent plan and strategized to inculcate critical race theory. DEI
Speaker 3: all the anti white stuff throughout university, throughout the education.
Speaker 3: So in fact, I was told in grad school because
Speaker 3: I wanted to go on and get my PhD. At
Speaker 3: my one of my graduate advisors, my history professor advisor,
Speaker 3: said I'm going to just go ahead and tell you
Speaker 3: that you're a straight white male, you're not gonna be
Speaker 3: welcomed in graduate academia.
Speaker 2: He was warning or was he saying like this in
Speaker 2: his own opinion, like he thought it was justified.
Speaker 3: No, he was just saying the realities in the like
Speaker 3: late two thousands of higher level academia. And I'm just
Speaker 3: using that as a test case, right of like the purposeful,
Speaker 3: intentional decision to detegrate and not want in higher level
Speaker 3: graduate academia straight white males, especially in the humanities, right.
Speaker 3: I mean, it might not be the same if you're
Speaker 3: going into stem stuff and engineering computers or whatever. But
Speaker 3: for humanity is like philosophy and that kind of stuff,
Speaker 3: which is what I was studying in literature and history. Uh. No,
Speaker 3: of course they don't. They're very explicit about that. So
Speaker 3: he himself was a a white male, I don't think.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure it was actually straight. So might that
Speaker 3: might have been why? That might have been why he
Speaker 3: was able to get his pH d. He had to,
Speaker 3: you know, touch a few butts or something.
Speaker 1: Oh, you messed up, Jake. Let me let me.
Speaker 3: I'm not touching touch my boughts, but I'm not touching.
Speaker 2: That option for the audience who's listening. No, remember that
Speaker 2: we have Ja here in the studio. You know that
Speaker 2: close extra actual Remember, I guess is pre show. I
Speaker 2: want to ask you something. It's a slight departure. You
Speaker 2: mentioned one coin.
Speaker 3: Not bitcoin, one.
Speaker 1: How much is the butt coin worth these days?
Speaker 3: Of it one bitcoin?
Speaker 4: So you mentioned the Muslim supremacy supremacy idea, and this
Speaker 4: is the thing that I like argue with my mother
Speaker 4: about constantly because she's like, have you seen these Look
Speaker 4: at what they're doing. They're taking over YadA, YadA, And
Speaker 4: I'm just kind of like, I look at it, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, they're not really somebody that I like, I
Speaker 4: understand the plan.
Speaker 1: I'm not so.
Speaker 4: Them per se because I think that they're just like
Speaker 4: manufactured there there. They seem like a tool of something else.
Speaker 4: Certainly is happening. But what do you make of the
Speaker 4: propaganda around it that's been ramped up, Like a lot
Speaker 4: of this anti Muslim propaganda feels like two thousand and one,
Speaker 4: two thousand two exactly.
Speaker 1: What I was gonna say.
Speaker 4: It makes me a little worried because after that we
Speaker 4: did a twenty year war. What what do you what
Speaker 4: are you seeing from your side of things on that?
Speaker 3: On that end, that's a great question. This is really
Speaker 3: complex because there's truth and lies mixed up in that
Speaker 3: right because I still believe, you know, in that the
Speaker 3: Big nine event is not what we were told. So
Speaker 3: when you understand kind of the real history of the
Speaker 3: Mujahideen and Bin Laden and all that, which I just
Speaker 3: lectured through a couple of books on that recently on
Speaker 3: my channel, if you want to go deep into the
Speaker 3: history and like the CIA relationship between them Massade as well.
Speaker 3: But it's not just a CIA. But you know, they
Speaker 3: just recently admitted very openly, very candidly that Jolani was
Speaker 3: an ally to the CIA and Timber Sycamore especially all
Speaker 3: the way up until the overthrow of Asad. That was
Speaker 3: all done at the behest of the CIA and Massade
Speaker 3: working in tandem, and they welcomed Jilani formerly head of
Speaker 3: al Qaeda or al Nusra in Syria. Now he's a
Speaker 3: hero again, going back to that long term partnership between
Speaker 3: the Mujahidin and the CIA that's still in play today,
Speaker 3: and it's very transparent when you actually kind of read
Speaker 3: about it. So on the one hand, I can be
Speaker 3: nuanced to say, no, I don't accept the official story
Speaker 3: of the Big Nine event and what we were told
Speaker 3: about the threat of Islam was a lie. However, the
Speaker 3: mass importation of these people is the real story, that's
Speaker 3: the real threat, not because of supposed terror cells everywhere,
Speaker 3: but because of the demographic warfare and the Islamic stuff
Speaker 3: was more pronounced in the UK and Europe than it
Speaker 3: is here. And I've I've been to London. I've seen
Speaker 3: it firsthand. Like my wife went to London in two
Speaker 3: thousand and like three or four, and then we went
Speaker 3: and I gave a lecture in twenty nineteen and she
Speaker 3: was describing just how radically, you know, Islama sized it was.
Speaker 3: So I don't think it's so much the threat of
Speaker 3: the you know, bombs going off or whatever, and a
Speaker 3: lot of those are provocateurd you know, entrapment operation, especially
Speaker 3: like the you know Christmas bomber or the shoe bomber
Speaker 3: all that stuff, So that is a controlled narrative, I think.
Speaker 3: But the real concern is the demographic replacement. And although
Speaker 3: as I said, that was primarily Islam in the UK
Speaker 3: and in Europe, well, I'm starting to see more and
Speaker 3: more Islamic replacement and importation in the West. For example,
Speaker 3: in Nashville we had a huge importation of Somali's and
Speaker 3: Muslims in the last ten years, which never even seen
Speaker 3: that in Nashville before. Now you see mocks mosques everywhere
Speaker 3: going up, and you can look into Saudi Arabia, Saudi
Speaker 3: Arabia in the last This is in Max Lumenthal's book,
Speaker 3: who's a big critic of the official narratives, and he's
Speaker 3: a socialist, so I have plenty of criticisms of him.
Speaker 3: But his book on the Real Use of Islam in
Speaker 3: the West is pretty good management of savagery, at least
Speaker 3: the first half of the book's really good. But he
Speaker 3: points out that the last twenty years, the Saudis have
Speaker 3: put billions, something like tens of billions of dollars into
Speaker 3: Islamic centers. Is on education and building mosques throughout America.
Speaker 3: That's all by designers. When you see these blonde chick
Speaker 3: influencers constantly talking about the Kouran dude, that's all paid for.
Speaker 3: I'm convinced of that. So it's a real thing. But
Speaker 3: it's not the terror thing like they say. But it's
Speaker 3: a demographic thing. That's my take on it. And everybody
Speaker 3: has to read the Milner Fabian Conspiracy book. It's it's
Speaker 3: so good because it's not just about well you will
Speaker 3: talk about you just talk about the Fabians. No, it's
Speaker 3: all the same thing and they work together with the
Speaker 3: anti white crowd because all the Fabians were anti white
Speaker 3: and utopian socialism that Moses has is the father of.
Speaker 3: It's the same thing as Fabian socialis. They're the same.
Speaker 3: It's the same as Bolshevism. It's just different strategies about
Speaker 3: how to roll it out. So and they're very candid
Speaker 3: about how to use Islam as a tool. Many people
Speaker 3: call it the broom of Zionism or the broom of Judaism,
Speaker 3: and that's the best way to put it. And they're
Speaker 3: both tell mudik. If you watch my long talk with
Speaker 3: the Hodge twins. As soon as I got there, they
Speaker 3: were like, you think. I'm like, no, it's not beaze.
Speaker 3: We thought a child brides. How's that, babe? You don't think.
Speaker 3: You don't think.
Speaker 4: They can't help because they've been to jail. So it's so,
Speaker 4: you know, that's what happens. You go to jail, you
Speaker 4: come out.
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Speaker 2: to take us out, all right, So the Fabians, the Fabians,
Speaker 2: my mistake. I want to talk about this idea a
Speaker 2: little bit about the Southern border, the poorest southern border,
Speaker 2: the legislation that got us there, but I think the
Speaker 2: sort of the cultural leveraging that got us or the
Speaker 2: cultural manipulation. It seems to me like we were kind
Speaker 2: of dog walked down this path to create this poorest
Speaker 2: southern border situation so that it could result in exactly
Speaker 2: what you're describing here, Jay, And now we find ourselves
Speaker 2: in this place where it's not even just the left,
Speaker 2: Like a lot of people are really upset about the
Speaker 2: whole ice thing and people getting.
Speaker 1: Deported, and you know, apparently things are getting messy.
Speaker 2: Some people who are actually legal citizens are allegedly getting deported.
Speaker 2: I don't know how much truth to that, but what's
Speaker 2: clear is the consensus that's created is one of like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, this is horrific. What about the fact
Speaker 2: And I think that emotional poy by the way of
Speaker 2: like what about the families, what about the individuals? What
Speaker 2: about the children and their parents and all this other
Speaker 2: stuff was exactly the same emotional leverage that got us
Speaker 2: here in the first place. They manipulated low information, high
Speaker 2: emotion voters into voting for the very scenario that we
Speaker 2: find ourselves in. Is this what happened? And does this look?
Speaker 2: It looks to me like it does play directly into
Speaker 2: what you're describing.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, you spot on? Are we off of YouTube?
Speaker 3: Like we can be more candid now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, say whatever you want.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Did you guys see that clip of Arnold at
Speaker 3: the climate change event when the pope was blessing the
Speaker 3: ice cube sports Nick?
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I didn't see that.
Speaker 3: You gotta see this because, believe it or not, Arnold
Speaker 3: was like the greatest explainer expositor of how the propaganda
Speaker 3: that you're talking about works. And it's a great clip.
Speaker 3: I'll send it to you, guys. He says, I don't
Speaker 3: know if he came on after the poper before the Pope,
Speaker 3: but he gets something. He goes. He says, forgive my
Speaker 3: shitty impersonation of Arnold, but I have to do it. It's
Speaker 3: just too just too fun not to do it.
Speaker 2: We couldn't convince anyone of the climate, the problem with climate,
Speaker 2: and then what we did.
Speaker 3: We took the child and we put the gas mask
Speaker 3: on the child.
Speaker 2: And you know, he couldn't have breathed, and he was
Speaker 2: he couldn't breathe, and then everyone believe in the climate.
Speaker 1: And so that's pretty gang.
Speaker 3: We got a kid in a gas mask to breathe,
Speaker 3: and then it pulled on the hearts rings and then
Speaker 3: everybody believes in climate change. So he's emitting its lies.
Speaker 3: And that's exactly what they do with Remember that the
Speaker 3: AOC is going down there because Trump's putting kids in
Speaker 3: cages and everybody fell for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's like crying at the cage, right at
Speaker 2: the fence and everything.
Speaker 1: It's all so so when you see these things.
Speaker 2: That I want to see you when I see those things, man,
Speaker 2: these these appeals to emotion, especially using children. I mean,
Speaker 2: I know what kind of sounds like cold, But it's
Speaker 2: like as soon as you start waving children in front
Speaker 2: of me, I stopped caring, I stopped car and I
Speaker 2: become highly skeptical because I recognize this is this is
Speaker 2: an emotional leverage that you're you're trying to.
Speaker 1: Roll out ahead off.
Speaker 2: Remember, I don't know I want to go ahead off,
Speaker 2: but I'm looking at my my great look, well Jay's
Speaker 2: got cool hair, dude.
Speaker 1: And I can't like I can't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to get this going, Please Jay continue
Speaker 2: while I figured.
Speaker 3: You remember the Gulf War thing with the Egyptian ambassador's
Speaker 3: daughter and the GOP brought her in as like they
Speaker 3: tried to say this she was she wasn't even there.
Speaker 3: In Saddam's you know, incubator incubators. That was again child
Speaker 3: propaganda when they were trying to overthrow a SOD back
Speaker 3: in the day. I remember like twenty fourteen, we were
Speaker 3: write fifteen, were writing articles about Dusty Boy, and that
Speaker 3: was this picture of a dusty boy child that had
Speaker 3: dust all over him, and Asad had done this to
Speaker 3: his own people, and all that was just fake guys propaganda.
Speaker 3: So yeah, man, that's how it works. It's it's once
Speaker 3: she's anytime you see that kind of child propaganda all
Speaker 3: on now. And they remember they did the same thing
Speaker 3: with Greta, right, they rolled Greta out as like we
Speaker 3: must all listen to the child, you know when she's.
Speaker 1: How damn you?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, that's just the most basic retard level propaganda.
Speaker 3: But that works, dude.
Speaker 1: It does.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: Okay, I want to go someplace with this and and
Speaker 2: and it's I know it's a joke and it's a me,
Speaker 2: but I want to have a discussion about it. This
Speaker 2: idea of like repeal the nineteenth has become a meme,
Speaker 2: and it's like, before everybody recoils, I want to say, like,
Speaker 2: you know, women are the men deal with systems and
Speaker 2: logic and things of that nature. Women are typically emotional,
Speaker 2: empathetic and nurturing, right, And so when you have all
Speaker 2: of these these these women voting, and you wonder, well,
Speaker 2: who are these low information, high emotion voters the ones
Speaker 2: that are susceptible to narratives, children in cages and separating
Speaker 2: mothers from children at the border and things like that.
Speaker 2: Am I wrong in saying that it is predominantly women,
Speaker 2: male feminists and women who are who are falling for this.
Speaker 1: Sort of thing.
Speaker 2: And then these people go out into the world and
Speaker 2: they affect legislation, they affect American politics, and they create
Speaker 2: the very thing that that now they find themselves, you know,
Speaker 2: crying about because Ice is out in force and it's
Speaker 2: doing all these things, and it seems to be lost
Speaker 2: on many of them that like this thing that has
Speaker 2: resulted in this, And you could say what you want
Speaker 2: about and you know, I think that this was an
Speaker 2: orchestrated thing to get to this point. You know, maybe
Speaker 2: get some of these cities under martial law. Who knows
Speaker 2: what we'll see. But this is like you have mass
Speaker 2: amounts of military aged men who are displaced, who have
Speaker 2: no jobs. Many of them are saying things like we
Speaker 2: were promised jobs and homes if we came over here.
Speaker 1: Who's doing the promising. I don't know. It's like a
Speaker 1: complete landmine.
Speaker 4: Like where I came from in Brooklyn, I used to
Speaker 4: live in a place called Garrison Beach and they filled
Speaker 4: this field up with migrant tents, and all it takes
Speaker 4: is for you to cut the funding to them, which
Speaker 4: I like, cut federal snap funding or whatever they're they're
Speaker 4: giving them. And it's like it's it's a literal land mine.
Speaker 4: It's just pulling the pin on a grenade, the time bomb. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's it's genius.
Speaker 1: It is genius. But these women that are that are
Speaker 1: crying about it.
Speaker 2: And I just say it because you see prenominantly women
Speaker 2: like in tears talking about this thing, you know, aoc
Speaker 2: at the cages and everything, and it's like, dude, the
Speaker 2: you gotta drop the emotion. That sort of behavior is
Speaker 2: exactly what led to this being you know, possible in
Speaker 2: the first place. And when you have this big of
Speaker 2: a mess and you have to, you know, release ice,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be messy. It's not gonna be like this
Speaker 2: clean like people, good people, normal people are gonna get
Speaker 2: wrapped up in this and it's going to be horrifying.
Speaker 2: But it's like I don't see that they need to go.
Speaker 2: They need to go, so I don't know this whole
Speaker 2: repeal the nineteenth thing. It's like if they're so easily manipulated,
Speaker 2: should they be able to vote?
Speaker 1: Is that? Is that a crazy question?
Speaker 3: Thanks there? So, first of all, the the changing image
Speaker 3: of man vote for example, back so what we're saying,
Speaker 3: because they were saying in nineteen eighty two they would
Speaker 3: have to do everything they could to masculate the men
Speaker 3: in the west. So that is everything from putting soy
Speaker 3: in everything, to you know, toxic food and water soy
Speaker 3: slot that we all eat fake food, to the cultural engineering,
Speaker 3: the brainwashing and the schools to make young boys, you know,
Speaker 3: feel bad about being boys. All of that's part of
Speaker 3: this plan to allow the country to move into this
Speaker 3: sort of quasi socialist or socialist technocratic scenario. So the
Speaker 3: more that you can get people thinking that they're going
Speaker 3: to be on the dole with the universal basic income,
Speaker 3: which is like one hundred year old plan, you know
Speaker 3: a cu Wells writes about the version Russell wrote about it.
Speaker 3: You've got technocrats hundred years ago saying that that's the plan.
Speaker 3: I think a good scenario for that is an economic collapse. Right,
Speaker 3: But you're right too that when you bring all these
Speaker 3: people in with all these promises and then there's nothing
Speaker 3: that's a recipe for planned you know, agitation and civil unrest.
Speaker 3: And I think that the more they try to polarize
Speaker 3: people with a lot of this propaganda, I think what
Speaker 3: they want is an eventual clash of some kind and
Speaker 3: then perhaps the disintegration of the West. A lot of books,
Speaker 3: a lot of writers have been saying that because you've
Speaker 3: got to get rid of the existing system to bring
Speaker 3: in the new system, and the best way that they
Speaker 3: typically do that is they're blowing up the old system.
Speaker 3: How exactly that will happen, I don't know. I know
Speaker 3: the dollar will eventually die. I don't think there's anything
Speaker 3: behind the fiat currency that's going to eventually just windle away.
Speaker 3: All the currencies eventually die. So you combine economic with
Speaker 3: the cultural chaos, with the importation of all these you know,
Speaker 3: people that don't integrate, whatever that means, it's a recipe
Speaker 3: for collapse in disaster. And what was it that last
Speaker 3: question was about, Oh that the women voting, I mean
Speaker 3: voting right voting is itself as a scam and it
Speaker 3: always has been in my view, So I don't really
Speaker 3: think that. I think that's more of a politicized issue
Speaker 3: that people think they have this right, and that they
Speaker 3: have all this power through voting. I think only at
Speaker 3: a local level to voting actually do anything. So although
Speaker 3: I do not think that even I mean, if that's
Speaker 3: the origins of feminism is suffrage, you know, the whole
Speaker 3: feminist movement comes out of that. So the whole idea
Speaker 3: itself is kind of retarded because women aren't meant to
Speaker 3: be primarily involved in the political and economic business sphere.
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean they can't have their own you know,
Speaker 3: side mom hustles or whatever, but like proverbs thirty one woman, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: but like that's not everybody being a boss bitch ceo, right,
Speaker 3: That's that's it.
Speaker 2: So it's like we can have moms with side hustles
Speaker 2: if you have like a crocheting thing or you're knitting
Speaker 2: and you want to sell that, but no girl bossing.
Speaker 1: We're done with girl bossing and.
Speaker 4: The woman that the woman didn't even want this in
Speaker 4: like I know, it's nineteen eighteen or something. Yeah, it's like,
Speaker 4: but when when Woodrow Wilson saw that there would be
Speaker 4: like a sizeable movement that moved his side, then you know,
Speaker 4: the propaganda started to go towards that, and there you go.
Speaker 1: They kind of got forced upon it.
Speaker 2: You know, you get too taxable income, state gets to
Speaker 2: raise your kid. This is good for the propaganda machine.
Speaker 2: Now we're full blown only facaly.
Speaker 3: One thing, by the way, real quick, I don't mean
Speaker 3: to cut you off. Just one last point on this
Speaker 3: that I think nobody ever touches on hardly is there's
Speaker 3: this great psychology paper called Virtuous Victimhood and the Dark
Speaker 3: Triad Traits, and it's about they did a study on
Speaker 3: You don't even have to read the whole study, just
Speaker 3: read the first five pages of it kind of summarized
Speaker 3: the whole thing. They did a study on. In societies
Speaker 3: based around emotions and egalitarian and egalitarianism or equalitarianism, what
Speaker 3: happens is it eventually becomes obsessed with everybody having to
Speaker 3: feel good, and so the only thing that gets promoted
Speaker 3: or only the only thing that gets people ahead is
Speaker 3: that people who can capitalize on being oppressed. And that's
Speaker 3: why this whole system is focused around oppression dynamics and
Speaker 3: whoever can prove or try to argue or pretend to
Speaker 3: be the most oppressed and changing images. A man, for example,
Speaker 3: says we're going to raise women to all these positions
Speaker 3: of power, not because they care about women, but because
Speaker 3: it will be a better means of moving the society
Speaker 3: into this socialist shithole that we're going into. And so
Speaker 3: they intentionally raise the minorities, and women are part of
Speaker 3: the minorities. That also is all the other you know
Speaker 3: flavors of the rainbow people groups that are out there.
Speaker 3: They raise them and give them a narrative. And what
Speaker 3: happens in that scenario isn't that everybody gets like built
Speaker 3: up in some sort of equalitarian stuff. What happens is
Speaker 3: that the most cunning people that are narcissistic, psychopathic creeps
Speaker 3: that hence the dark triad traits, they actually figure out
Speaker 3: how to capitalize on the oppression dynamic and they like
Speaker 3: compete to be the most oppressed to get the most
Speaker 3: social tension, you know, social traction, energy, et cetera, focus, attention,
Speaker 3: and money, and it actually hurts the people who are
Speaker 3: actually oppressed. So it's a total like nightmare scam system.
Speaker 3: And when you look back at like the you know,
Speaker 3: Bolshevik or the Soviet or the communist regimes, it's exactly
Speaker 3: how they function. So they function the exact same way,
Speaker 3: and you have to keep in mind that whether it's
Speaker 3: voting or any of the stuff, Like the CIA has
Speaker 3: mastered regime change in other countries, they know absolutely perfectly
Speaker 3: how to target through stages of revolution. You can look
Speaker 3: at something like Great Palace is a famous classic piece
Speaker 3: on the IMF shot Doctor of the IMF Revolution. How
Speaker 3: they stage these The bankers know how to stage these
Speaker 3: in phases, and rigging the voting, for example, is part
Speaker 3: of how they do that in other countries. They started
Speaker 3: all the way back and you know the removal of Mozedic.
Speaker 3: Howd Of did a whole podcast in the CIA operations
Speaker 3: in Iran to remove Mosdic with the shy end and
Speaker 3: it includes manipulating the voting system so voting can be
Speaker 3: integrated into this overall color revolution regime change operation. And
Speaker 3: I think I don't know exactly how they're going to
Speaker 3: do it, but I think in the US we are
Speaker 3: in a slower roll out of a regime change operation.
Speaker 3: I don't mean to get rid of Trump. I'm talking
Speaker 3: about like to totally change the country.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you said that places like Canada are
Speaker 2: like twenty years ahead of US, and I would agree
Speaker 2: with that, but it is like a slow role.
Speaker 1: We're going through like really slow.
Speaker 2: Phases, so slow that it almost can appear to the
Speaker 2: average person to be organic. And unless you know, really
Speaker 2: paying attention or you're as well rate as you are,
Speaker 2: I'm nowhere near. I think that's the idea of it,
Speaker 2: Like what has yet has to look it's a frog
Speaker 2: getting boiled, right, Yeah, it's And it's it's so crazy
Speaker 2: because people like us, it's kind of our job to
Speaker 2: pay attention to these things. And when I'm I think
Speaker 2: my mom was like, well, Trump is so bad, and
Speaker 2: I'm like I gotta like kind of defend or at
Speaker 2: least give arguments for like something about this, like why
Speaker 2: you're wrong from a like a correct standpoint. And I'm
Speaker 2: I can't even really remember the last like past, the
Speaker 2: last six months because it's been such a weird slow
Speaker 2: boil of event after event. Yeah that it's like there
Speaker 2: are so many things, so much proof in front of
Speaker 2: your face. If you don't see it now, I don't
Speaker 2: even know how to play these events together for you.
Speaker 2: They've done a masterful job of creating like these separate realities,
Speaker 2: you know, the sort of like you know, little reality
Speaker 2: echo chambers that you can subscribe to and live in
Speaker 2: and you can see the world through this lends and
Speaker 2: and to be fair, you know, to give the other
Speaker 2: side or whatever other side. But I'm not I don't
Speaker 2: believe in you know, aligning yourself along political lines. But
Speaker 2: if you were to be let's say left is, and
Speaker 2: you were to look at things through their lens, it
Speaker 2: can adapt and it can like you know, it would
Speaker 2: make sense the things around you would make sense through
Speaker 2: that lens enough that you would feel comfortable staying there.
Speaker 2: And it's the same thing for the right, Like if
Speaker 2: you're conservative or anything there and you look through that lens,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be the same thing. So they've done a
Speaker 2: really great job of creating these these sort of like
Speaker 2: uh silos or or you know, uh little little what
Speaker 2: would you call it? What do you put sheep into?
Speaker 2: And echo chambers? Wow, you know where it's like we
Speaker 2: can It's wild that they've done it to degree that
Speaker 2: they have. And I agree with you, we are like
Speaker 2: in what would be I forgot who who coined the
Speaker 2: term with the idea of like oppression olympics And that's
Speaker 2: your currency, you know in these in these times, is
Speaker 2: how oppressed you are. And I know We've seen a
Speaker 2: lot of comedy make fun of that sort of thing,
Speaker 2: but it's true.
Speaker 4: But now we're we're like eclipsing that to uh, to
Speaker 4: a certain point, and we're reaching this uh all right,
Speaker 4: So here's here's a weird example. I went to an
Speaker 4: event for my wife's job. My wife they wanted all
Speaker 4: the men to dress like homosexuals.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right. They wanted him to dress in all white.
Speaker 4: Oh, like old white cocktail party. I said, I certainly
Speaker 4: will not no offense. Ja beautiful blazer, but I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna wear black pants at least I can't need it.
Speaker 1: It's cream.
Speaker 3: It's cream, yeah, cream jacket.
Speaker 1: But I was like, I mean it's a beautiful jacket,
Speaker 1: and I don't think there's anything.
Speaker 4: Well, here's here's a problemsosed to everybody calmed down. So
Speaker 4: they want us to dress this, which is very nice,
Speaker 4: it's fine. But the first thing that they do is
Speaker 4: they call out some guy from like the Pacific Islands
Speaker 4: and he's doing like the hakka, which I'm like, I'm
Speaker 4: extremely aware that. I'm like, you are summoning your ancient
Speaker 4: entities and this is the entity of war. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 4: and you're in America and you're yelling at me going
Speaker 4: and swinging this thing and all the white women.
Speaker 1: I'm like, isn't this great?
Speaker 2: Because what you pointed out is it was like they
Speaker 2: did they d mask well they asked me to first.
Speaker 4: I absolutely will not, I said, Jay, I'm wearing dark pants.
Speaker 4: At least, you're not going to see any there's no
Speaker 4: bulges here. We're gonna be We're keeping it nice and
Speaker 4: and you know it's gonna be kosher. And then then
Speaker 4: you have a guy come in try to emasculate me,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, yeah, this is like one plus one
Speaker 4: and they've done it subconsciously. And the result of that
Speaker 4: made me almost feel like, you know what hitler. Right
Speaker 4: as I'm watching the guy, I'm like, wouldn't be such
Speaker 4: a bad idea.
Speaker 2: You want me to show up in all white, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna show up in an ass. That's the logical, even
Speaker 2: though I know, like I know better. It's a really
Speaker 2: funny thing though, emasculate the men. And then have the
Speaker 2: alpha male who's summoning his answers.
Speaker 1: And he's just yelling at me. I got it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, this is no way. That's very like
Speaker 2: I got a gun on me right now, there's no way.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's it's when you see these sorts of things and
Speaker 2: you can see it, you know, really on on this
Speaker 2: play in women's entertainment.
Speaker 1: That's something that I talk about a lot.
Speaker 2: Uh, these archetypes, these kind of like uh, the couple,
Speaker 2: the kid with the two fathers, or the lovable character.
Speaker 2: They really only exist. And this is the same thing
Speaker 2: we're talking about. The voting system and whether or not
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's low information, high emotional voters that
Speaker 2: are vot voting for a southern border that's porous. All
Speaker 2: the ideology is also fed in through women, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. So it's like when you look at women, but.
Speaker 1: All of done is aggravated young men.
Speaker 2: Yes, and so so this whole Hitler appreciated and I
Speaker 2: think this is probably a good segue. Then this Hitler
Speaker 2: appreciation is born out of a disdain for this culture
Speaker 2: that we've been subjected to for for for some time.
Speaker 1: Somebody says that, I, oh, it's Nancy because you know
Speaker 1: what Hitler I mean, don't use that Hitler.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So let's get into this conversation. This is really
Speaker 2: what I wanted to discuss, this mischaracterization of Hitler by
Speaker 2: culture right now on X whether it's a groyper or whatever,
Speaker 2: and how they have this caricature of Hitler, who he
Speaker 2: is this idol of theirs? Really is what he's become?
Speaker 2: What are they claiming Hitler is? And what was he really?
Speaker 2: What are the ways in which we're missing the mark here?
Speaker 3: Yup, you muted, buddy, I must when I touched that microphone.
Speaker 3: So yeah, So the claim is that because they figured
Speaker 3: out in nineteen thirties Germany that you know, Jewish banking
Speaker 3: elites and industrialists had derascinated and bankrupted the Weimart Republic.
Speaker 2: Shout out by the way, JA to Europa, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: Europa is like a huge part of That's that documentary
Speaker 2: to me is very suspect.
Speaker 1: I was watching it.
Speaker 2: It's ten hours of mk ultering you on Weimar and
Speaker 2: the Bolsheviks and Trotzky and all these different things, and
Speaker 2: then you know, by the end of it, you're left
Speaker 2: with this glowing reverence for Hitler.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's interesting timing for that to come out,
Speaker 3: but I think maybe there was I can't remember. That's
Speaker 3: the documentary that there was one that was going around
Speaker 3: like even ten years ago. It might be a different
Speaker 3: documentary or I can't remember, but yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1: I think it was the same one, but it just
Speaker 1: like Experiences Insurgence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay. The the idea is, Okay, we've got a
Speaker 3: guy who's going to stand up against the banking elite
Speaker 3: and he's going to uh, you know, rid Europe to
Speaker 3: save white people of these you know, toxic elements of
Speaker 3: usury and international finance and all that. And I mean
Speaker 3: I remember, back in like two thousand and six and seven,
Speaker 3: I started reading pretty heavily about stuff. I read books
Speaker 3: exposing the Talmud, and I was like, well, maybe I
Speaker 3: should check out see what you know, tiny mustache man
Speaker 3: says himself. So I bought mine comp I read most
Speaker 3: of it, a good portion of it. I read all
Speaker 3: of David Duke's My Awakening, read all of Francis Parker
Speaker 3: Yaki's Imperium. It's like all seven or pages of that reachishpangl.
Speaker 3: So I I read a lot of these sort of
Speaker 3: far right people's and found areas where I agreed and disagreed.
Speaker 3: But I noticed pretty quickly, even when I was less
Speaker 3: interested in Christianity back at that time that you know,
Speaker 3: there's not really much Christianity in mind. Comp For example,
Speaker 3: if if you read through it, he will talk about
Speaker 3: the dangers of international usury, international freemasonry, international Zionism, all
Speaker 3: those things that I would agree critiquing. But then the
Speaker 3: solution is we need to revive as kind of a
Speaker 3: pagan imperium, right, That's ultimately I think what it ends
Speaker 3: up being. People debate whether Hitler was a agnostic or had
Speaker 3: some sort of a loose kind of perennialist idea about
Speaker 3: who God was, or kind of a syncretist idea. I
Speaker 3: think if we look at the influences you have Baron
Speaker 3: von Sebettendorf, the Thule Society, Theosophy, those are all very
Speaker 3: ateric and sort of gnostic branches of occult philosophy, an
Speaker 3: Eastern Hindu influence philosophy that had quite a bit of
Speaker 3: influence on at least we know for sure, like I said,
Speaker 3: Himler and Rosenberg, but perhaps Hitler as well, because you'll
Speaker 3: find these elements within mineconference says things like the real
Speaker 3: original sin is race mixing, and I mean, whatever you
Speaker 3: think about that, that's not what original sin is in
Speaker 3: the Book of Genesis, right. He says things like Christianity
Speaker 3: is too intolerant of the other religions, for example, pagan
Speaker 3: religions and pagan altars, and so because it has this
Speaker 3: desire to get rid of the pagan alters and to
Speaker 3: set up Christian alters, he says that's too judaic. So
Speaker 3: there's very much an influence of the higher critical school
Speaker 3: of Julius Velhausen and these. You know, I don't know
Speaker 3: if you know what the documentary hypothesis is, but that's
Speaker 3: where you get JEPD, which is taught in all the
Speaker 3: liberal seminaries university, is that the Bible isn't really inspired.
Speaker 3: It's just kind of written by these different the priests class,
Speaker 3: the Java's class, the Eloheen class, the deuteronomous class of
Speaker 3: ancient and so the Bible is all kind of just
Speaker 3: pieced together varying traditions. There's not a cohesive, single theology
Speaker 3: that unites the old New Testament. That higher critical approach
Speaker 3: of Julius Velhausen. He himself was just a liberal German.
Speaker 3: He said, we have to get rid of all the
Speaker 3: judaic elements within Christianity. Well, when you get to Hitler,
Speaker 3: especially in elements of Minkong, But when you get to Rosenberg,
Speaker 3: they're very explicit that, yeah, let's purge the Reich's Christianity.
Speaker 3: We'll have positive Christianity, it'll be amenable to the Reich.
Speaker 3: We can have some of the Pagans, and you can
Speaker 3: have positive Christianity. But whatever is judaic Christianity has to
Speaker 3: be gotten rid of. But that's really I mean, you
Speaker 3: can't have Jesus without the Old Testament. You can have
Speaker 3: you know, he's the Lamb of God. What does that mean? Well,
Speaker 3: if I don't know what Passover is and Exodus, I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna know what the Lamb of God is. So
Speaker 3: it's an viable of an ancient heresy called Marsianism or gnosticism,
Speaker 3: which says the God of the Old Testament is this
Speaker 3: other kind of God, and then Jesus kind of be
Speaker 3: crafted into a symbol or an image of an amenable
Speaker 3: philosophy to the Reich. So, as an Orthodox Christian, I
Speaker 3: don't have a problem with Christian nations and Christian imperium.
Speaker 3: That's the old Byzantine Orthodox Christian view, but it's not
Speaker 3: crafted to biological determinism. And I think That's one of
Speaker 3: the key elements where I would disagree with that whole
Speaker 3: perspective is that Hilarianism and the Teutonic perspective or whatever,
Speaker 3: is this idea that blood and soil is kind of
Speaker 3: the root of the religion. That's political, but it politicizes
Speaker 3: the religion to make it a tool of the empire,
Speaker 3: whereas in Orthodox Christianity, the empire has to confess one faith,
Speaker 3: and we don't put politics first. We put politics downstream
Speaker 3: of theology.
Speaker 2: When you look at Hitler and especially the admiration surrounding
Speaker 2: them today, there's a lot of like shallow kind of
Speaker 2: takes where you know, people will say things like Hitler
Speaker 2: was Christian, or Hitler was Catholic, or he was Catholic
Speaker 2: adjacent because he you know, he did that overlap with
Speaker 2: the church.
Speaker 4: Well, can I just say something because he said something
Speaker 4: that at the very beginning of this and it's a
Speaker 4: theory that kind of just popped up. I think Justin
Speaker 4: and Prometheus Lens he's been floating about the idea that
Speaker 4: eve artook in some sort of sexual deviancy with the
Speaker 4: serpent in the garden, which is what got her kicked out.
Speaker 4: And when you said that about Hitler saying the original
Speaker 4: sin is race mixing. For some reason, that just kind
Speaker 4: of like struck me. Did did do you know if
Speaker 4: he believed that? Like, did he think that?
Speaker 3: Now? That's that's you tend to see that in Christian
Speaker 3: identity movements and believe it or not, that's actually from
Speaker 3: kabbalistic texts. That's more of like a Jewish I think
Speaker 3: it's in the Zohar. But that comes out of the
Speaker 3: tum of nothing to do with the with the actual
Speaker 3: biblical texts. And they try to come up with this
Speaker 3: idea in the Christian identity circles, which is a bunch
Speaker 3: of feds that, oh, when Jesus said, you know you're
Speaker 3: you're of your father the Devil, that that's an actual
Speaker 3: literal seed, that that that that Satan spawned his offspring.
Speaker 3: Who are the moderns and all that, But no, that
Speaker 3: has nothing to do with it's a spiritual seed. So
Speaker 3: everybody who's born of Adam is a spiritual son of
Speaker 3: the Devil. And that's why baptism makes you a son
Speaker 3: of God in our view. So you have to be
Speaker 3: integrated into the Covenant to no longer be a spiritual
Speaker 3: son of the devil. It's not anything to do with
Speaker 3: biological offspring per se. But you can find that in
Speaker 3: Judaic mysticism in terms of Lilith and the Kabbalah. So
Speaker 3: what Hitler is doing is kind of taking some of
Speaker 3: the Judaic approaches from the Talman and kind of giving
Speaker 3: it more of a Teutonic dent of his own. But
Speaker 3: I didn't detect anything. And just because Hitler's tolerant of Christianity,
Speaker 3: you know, in in his book in mind On for whatever,
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that he's actually a Christian, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. It's like you can have there's plenty
Speaker 3: plenty of world leaders that are pagans that are tolerant
Speaker 3: of Christianity. That doesn't make you a Christian. I've never
Speaker 3: seen any evidence that he was Catholic. Just because they
Speaker 3: had certain geopolitical alliances with the papacy for certain specific events,
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that he was a Catholic.
Speaker 2: It's funny because the idea that he had issues with
Speaker 2: Christianity because it was intolerant of other religions is like,
Speaker 2: you know, the way that I understand things is these
Speaker 2: these pagan pantheons, you know, I subscribe we maybe like
Speaker 2: a Gary Wayne kind of an idea where like, these
Speaker 2: entities that these pagans are worshiping, and you know, you
Speaker 2: name it. It doesn't matter which one are real spiritual entities,
Speaker 2: but they their nature is horribly misunderstood by the people
Speaker 2: that are worshiping them. These are either the fallen ages
Speaker 2: themselves or you know, disembodied spirits of their offspring or
Speaker 2: what have you. But they're all alignment with this spirit
Speaker 2: of rebellion, and so it's it's it's kind of a
Speaker 2: note Sherlock when you say, like, oh, Christianity isn't tolerant
Speaker 2: of these pagan ideologies. It's like, yeah, I mean, if
Speaker 2: you wanted to put it in rudimentary terms, it's because
Speaker 2: the things that they're worshiping are demonic in their very nature.
Speaker 4: And so obviously, by the way, we actually have a
Speaker 4: good person here to ask this question too, because we've
Speaker 4: I've asked almost everybody, but David just got baptized on Sunday.
Speaker 4: What does that mean in your opinion in the Orthodox tradition?
Speaker 1: What does that mean? And why should we do it?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean Orthodox Christianity we would look at acts too,
Speaker 3: you know. Thirty eight thirty nine, where Peter says or
Speaker 3: pent be baptized for their emission of sins, and immediately
Speaker 3: after that they have an actual you know, water baptism.
Speaker 3: You know, Titus three says that it's the washing of
Speaker 3: the labor of regeneration for us to labor as the font.
Speaker 3: All the early early churches and their architecture had full
Speaker 3: on baptismal fonts where people would be baptized into the
Speaker 3: Triune God. Jesus says, you know, you baptize the name
Speaker 3: of the Father's son Holy Spirit. So we would see
Speaker 3: that as a trinitarian confession, and that's what puts you
Speaker 3: into covenant with God. You know. Galatians three talks about
Speaker 3: those that are in Christ are those that are the
Speaker 3: seed of Abraham. So the promises to the especially Genesis twelve, fifteen,
Speaker 3: seventeen twenty two, those Abrahamic covenant promises are expanded to
Speaker 3: the Gentiles when the Messiah came and instead of circumcision,
Speaker 3: which was a you know, bloody sort of primitive right,
Speaker 3: God instituted baptism for the nations because that's a much easier,
Speaker 3: simpler means of coming into the covenant than just males
Speaker 3: only being, you know, having their force been removed, which is,
Speaker 3: by the way, as a sign of original sin. That's
Speaker 3: the purpose of its Paul Says and Colossians. The baptism
Speaker 3: is the reality that replaces the symbology and the typology
Speaker 3: of that of circumcision. So circumcision was a type. Baptism
Speaker 3: is the reality which fulfills the type. So we don't
Speaker 3: believe that baptism is merely a symbolic ritual, but that
Speaker 3: it actually affects the thing that is happening, because the
Speaker 3: Old Testament rituals and rights were symbolic, and the New
Speaker 3: Testament rights that Jesus institutes actually bring about that change.
Speaker 3: So that's the orthodox few.
Speaker 2: Dude, I'm pumped that it's it's water baptism and that circumcision.
Speaker 2: I mean, thirty five years old, they were going to
Speaker 2: put me in front of this discovery and snip off
Speaker 2: my foreskin that had been rough. So I wonder your
Speaker 2: thoughts on this, because you know, I have this this
Speaker 2: theory that a lot of what was happening, the iconography
Speaker 2: surrounding Hitler in particular, was that of a particular entity,
Speaker 2: all right, right, and I know, like Hitler was into
Speaker 2: whatever he was into, and there's all this idea of like,
Speaker 2: you know, these Germanic tribes, these Germantic pagan tribes, and
Speaker 2: then Aryans, and if you look at Blavatsky's beliefs on
Speaker 2: what Arians were, it gets even stranger, right. I look
Speaker 2: around at all the iconography surrounding Hitler, and it looks
Speaker 2: to be that of specifically Zeus. I mean, you have
Speaker 2: the Zeppelin Tribune fairgrounds or in Tribune grounds, I think
Speaker 2: I add the word fair in there where he's giving
Speaker 2: his speeches from some of his most you know, iconic
Speaker 2: based Hitler speeches are given from this this fair ground
Speaker 2: and its designed after the Temple of Zeus that's found
Speaker 2: in Turkey, Turkey being you know, modern day Turkey being ancient.
Speaker 1: Pergamum is it Pergamum?
Speaker 2: And this temple is brought to the Berlin Museum. And
Speaker 2: when Hitler, you know, hires this guy, I forget what
Speaker 2: his name is to design. The guy goes to the
Speaker 2: Berlin Museum and he takes, you know, all of his
Speaker 2: inspiration from the Temple of Zeus, and I think they
Speaker 2: even move there's rumors that they move stones from it
Speaker 2: and incorporated them into the build. So he's giving his
Speaker 2: speeches from the temple of Zeus, you know, some homage
Speaker 2: to it. Maybe some parts of it are still there.
Speaker 2: The eagle being a it's Zeus. It's like the number
Speaker 2: one animal. I mean, Zeus transmuted himself into a number
Speaker 2: of things that I think a goose or a swan
Speaker 2: was one of them, where he you know, raped some
Speaker 2: chick as a bird.
Speaker 1: But you know, uh, an eagle.
Speaker 2: Was one of the most associated animals with Zeus. And
Speaker 2: then of course you have light You're talking about the
Speaker 2: s S uniforms, the eagle, the lightning bolts, the I'm
Speaker 2: looking at all of this and I'm going this is
Speaker 2: not a guy who has you know, what would you
Speaker 2: call it Christian adjacent worldviews or ideology. This is a
Speaker 2: guy who is Steveton paganism. I guess the only question
Speaker 2: would be, is Hitler and unknowing uh participant in this
Speaker 2: sort of pagan theater that he's surrounded by while his
Speaker 2: you know, constituents are engaging in all this occult practice,
Speaker 2: and you know, you have never ending amounts of unconfirmable
Speaker 2: but still compelling conspiracy theories surrounding right with you know,
Speaker 2: these vimanas and things of that nature that come from
Speaker 2: ancient India, and whether or not they have these bell
Speaker 2: shaped UFOs, and the list just goes on.
Speaker 1: And on and on a bit.
Speaker 2: But is it Hitler has plausible deniability in all of this?
Speaker 2: He just didn't know he was so wrapped up in
Speaker 2: the liberation or the supposed liberation of his people that
Speaker 2: he didn't realize what his constituents were doing. Or is
Speaker 2: Hitler a willing participant in all of this? By the way,
Speaker 2: the guys on pervetin, which is effectively methan fetamine. We
Speaker 2: talked to one of our favorite guests, doctor Jerry Marzinski,
Speaker 2: clinical psychologists who deals with schizophrenic patients for like thirty
Speaker 2: five years. He said, the number one rug associated with
Speaker 2: displaying signs of schizophrenia, which he has now come to
Speaker 2: the conclusion, is a spiritual disposition that you're being influenced
Speaker 2: and oppressed by spirits outside of your own self. He says,
Speaker 2: methan fetamine is the number one thing that will kick
Speaker 2: that door open and give those spirits access to you,
Speaker 2: and it becomes very difficult to close them. So you've
Speaker 2: got a guy on meth standing at the altar of.
Speaker 4: I mean even before he was like on meth. There's
Speaker 4: a story from I think when he was in the war.
Speaker 2: War insists I actually have this pulled up here, so
Speaker 2: and this is one of these things. His sister Paula
Speaker 2: writes a sort of a manuscript for a magazine. I
Speaker 2: think it was a fifteen page manuscript, and within it
Speaker 2: she talks about, you know, her brother, and there's this
Speaker 2: little snippet where she talks about him giving in or
Speaker 2: taking guidance from a voice. You know, you can call
Speaker 2: it intuition or otherwise. He believed it was like the
Speaker 2: voice of God. He called it providence. And then there's
Speaker 2: this lore and it's hard to confirm it that kind
Speaker 2: of builds Hitler up.
Speaker 1: And it's this idea that like this voice.
Speaker 2: Is divinely guiding him, even to the extent where he
Speaker 2: has this inclination at one point from the voice to
Speaker 2: step to the side as an incoming missile right lands
Speaker 2: and it takes out the homies that he's hanging out
Speaker 2: with and he just so happens to have sidestepped at
Speaker 2: just time, so, you know, further bolstering the lore, the sort.
Speaker 1: Of cryptic lore of Hitler.
Speaker 2: Or you start to look at this, and it's anecdotal,
Speaker 2: albeit and there's a lot of plausible deniability and wayte
Speaker 2: to kind of squirm out of it. But it looks
Speaker 2: to me like this is not a guy who is
Speaker 2: an unknowing participant in this. It seems to me like
Speaker 2: this is something he is fascinated by and is engaging with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, again, that's that is a good question. I mean,
Speaker 3: there does seem to be these kind of perennialist undertones
Speaker 3: that I've seen in mind comp but I'm certainly I'm
Speaker 3: not a historian of World War two. I've just read
Speaker 3: several books on it, and I look at, you know,
Speaker 3: the ethos of the mythology that Rosenberg crafted, and it's
Speaker 3: definitely a return to the idea of you know, pagan
Speaker 3: Rome something like that, and you know, Rome just kind
Speaker 3: of adopted the same pantheon that the Greeks had, So
Speaker 3: I could definitely see that, you know, that Zeus element
Speaker 3: that you talked about, that's definitely definitely there. Zeus obviously
Speaker 3: isn't the same as the biblical deity. So once you
Speaker 3: understand that, you know, Christianity has to be exclusionists because
Speaker 3: Christ on the way that truth in the life no
Speaker 3: one comes to the Father but by me, so you
Speaker 3: can't have you know, like put Francis and Leo say,
Speaker 3: all the religion and all the past going to take
Speaker 3: you to the to the One God. And you know
Speaker 3: Hitler also trying to make alliances with Islam as well.
Speaker 3: That if you look up his meetings with a mean
Speaker 3: Al Hussani, who was the British intelligence operative, that was
Speaker 3: the Grande Mom of Jerusalem. That was a British spy
Speaker 3: who was placed there to kind of have this continual
Speaker 3: backdoor discussion with Hitler throughout these periods, as well as
Speaker 3: the Royal Society meeting with rib and Tromp consistently throughout
Speaker 3: throughout that time. Keep in mind too that Bolovatski and
Speaker 3: Theostry was also promoted by the Rothschilds, right, the Fabian
Speaker 3: Society and all that. That's getting a lot of Rothchild money,
Speaker 3: and that's where you get theosophy. Madame Levavski was a
Speaker 3: Fabian socialist, so she was talking to a lot of
Speaker 3: the KGB people like roar Rick and others. She would
Speaker 3: go and have these meetings with the ascended Masters and
Speaker 3: all this kind of stuff, which I'm not saying she
Speaker 3: wasn't contacting demons. But doctor Richard Spence is a really
Speaker 3: good historian on a lot of the stuff. And we did
Speaker 3: an interview on Secret Agent sixty sixty six, which is
Speaker 3: about Crowley's work with British intelligence, and he wrote another
Speaker 3: essay about how her ascended masters might have also been
Speaker 3: her some of her handlers, so spy handlers in other words,
Speaker 3: So that there's this espionage element that's important to understand
Speaker 3: as well, because whether it's the Reich, or whether it's
Speaker 3: the Fabian Socialist or whether it's the Bolsheviks, many of
Speaker 3: them were into the occult. Glebe BOKIAI as another famous
Speaker 3: Bolshevik who was an outright sort of straight up Satanist
Speaker 3: eyes watch shut kind of guy. He was having eyes
Speaker 3: whych shut orgies. So that's there's also Pinks. I don't
Speaker 3: know if you've heard of that book, but that's that's
Speaker 3: the skittles stuff going on amongst some of the ss.
Speaker 1: What is it? Wait? Wait, what do you mean the
Speaker 1: skittle stuff? Talking about the jacket stuff come about?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's the rumor. I mean that people
Speaker 2: there's these rimors that that Hitler himself was a I
Speaker 2: wonder what do you make of that? And what do
Speaker 2: you make it the idea that he was a rothschild.
Speaker 2: It's it's interesting. I mean you just touched on this
Speaker 2: idea of Blovatsky talking to her ascended masters. I guess whoever,
Speaker 2: David David, but it was possibly her handlers as well.
Speaker 1: And then that leads into skull technology.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because all that stuff is patented right at the
Speaker 4: same time, like dental tooth and plants. The different mk
Speaker 4: ultra techniques are patented around like the nineteen for sure.
Speaker 1: They have some working before they patented.
Speaker 4: It's very it gets very confusing on what is supernatural
Speaker 4: extraterrestrial and what is just government influence doing things and
Speaker 4: saying it.
Speaker 2: I love the idea that everything that David Ike is
Speaker 2: talking about actually was justin spooks.
Speaker 1: I like David Ike, but I just he number one,
Speaker 1: he's very grumpy lately.
Speaker 2: Uh. And number two, I just like it's a fundamental
Speaker 2: question that I have for him, which is, like, you know,
Speaker 2: so much of this and his own admission comes from
Speaker 2: channeling these through a coundolini awakening uh assembly stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you get it gets because that's how the Condolini starts
Speaker 2: in the and then if you keep it there long enough,
Speaker 2: it moves north and then you have an awakening, and
Speaker 2: and so and then he and he channels he's ascended
Speaker 2: Alantean Masters, and then they tell him all this stuff.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, fun stuff. A lot of what you're
Speaker 2: saying really interesting, really compelling. I could see what you're
Speaker 2: talking about. Have you ever considered that they lied to you?
Speaker 1: Cool dude? So it's like, dude, you know that whole
Speaker 1: thing is really fat. I love that idea.
Speaker 2: She thinks it's ascended Atlantean Masters. Really it's spooks shooting
Speaker 2: lasers at her head. That's fantastic.
Speaker 1: Why not all of these why not all of these things?
Speaker 1: What do you think about this idea?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 1: That Hitler himself was a roth child.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if the Masters are just like Caddie Demons.
Speaker 1: Well that's what I kind of suspect, is the kid's dog.
Speaker 3: I think that, Yeah, Like what if they lie? Right?
Speaker 3: What if it's lying dudes that are just as sended
Speaker 3: like spirits?
Speaker 4: Honestly, I think that that's what all this is, where
Speaker 4: they're like Jesus is gonna come back as a plegating
Speaker 4: where like Blue Spandex, I was like, what if you're
Speaker 4: talking to somebody that's just you.
Speaker 1: Know, what's crazy talking about Did he block you?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: But I'm a big fan. To me, I'm a big fan.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I hope you keep for this because I
Speaker 4: like it.
Speaker 2: Guy.
Speaker 1: I talked about him on the Raven and and I
Speaker 1: never even interacted with him. Dog.
Speaker 2: Somehow it got to him that I talked about him
Speaker 2: what yesterday morning, and he's blocked me.
Speaker 1: And now I don't have access to engaging with his
Speaker 1: content anymore.
Speaker 2: But I still get to see it because the way
Speaker 2: Twitter works. But yeah, dude, I think you're right on
Speaker 2: the money is like this this it's a simple question
Speaker 2: because if I heard a voice and I wasn't like, oh, well.
Speaker 1: You deserve it, I don't deserve it, dude.
Speaker 2: I was just I was just saying it was, uh
Speaker 2: that that if I had an experience with what I
Speaker 2: felt was was God, then maybe that would But that's
Speaker 2: not even what David Ike is claiming. He's like, no, dude,
Speaker 2: these are just ascended to Lantean masters.
Speaker 3: And fall since.
Speaker 1: And you're not wondering if they're lying to you, Dude,
Speaker 1: you're not.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's and it's you know, how how
Speaker 2: long have we experienced this thing where it's like they'll
Speaker 2: tell you a tremendous amount of truth and then some
Speaker 2: really fundamental, really important lies about the nature of things,
Speaker 2: and that's where everything deviates.
Speaker 3: Well, the actually saying this Changing Images of Man book, right,
Speaker 3: so that the religion of the future that's coming will
Speaker 3: include channeling of entities and spirits to get information about
Speaker 3: how to conduct like our future government. I mean, we
Speaker 3: showed it on that episode of Alex but here, here's
Speaker 3: a chart and you can see right here it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: just channel the channel the spirits.
Speaker 1: This is like, oh yeah, right, graduate level demons. That's interesting.
Speaker 4: One of our one of our topics of UH exploration
Speaker 4: is the Telepathy tapes, and that seemed like a primer
Speaker 4: for UH channeling, or at least like I mean, they're
Speaker 4: calling a telepathy, but realistically it is kind of like
Speaker 4: it's like a bunch of autistic kids telling us how
Speaker 4: to run our government. There everyone comes back with the
Speaker 4: same message of like, you know, there's gonna be a
Speaker 4: global catastrophe. Whatever they're saying about the what's that Coller shift,
Speaker 4: the Intergalactic Federation of Homosexuality UH.
Speaker 1: By the way for the audience, go ahead.
Speaker 3: No, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, for the audience, we're gonna
Speaker 2: have on pastor Joe and Franco on the show soon.
Speaker 2: I'm actually talking to him. We're text buddies now.
Speaker 1: Oh cool.
Speaker 2: And and he is one of the pastors that worked
Speaker 2: on the telepathy tapes, and he said they cut out
Speaker 2: a tremendous amount of footage, and all of that footage
Speaker 2: had one thing in common.
Speaker 1: It was the children talking about Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that they were talking to the
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ if they were talking to some demon posing
Speaker 2: as a pleadan, you know, even Christ Jesus Christ some
Speaker 2: way that I don't know. But it's interesting to me
Speaker 2: that what's her name, cat, the chick who who made
Speaker 2: whatever her name is, she used lesbian. It's interesting to
Speaker 2: me that she, you know, removed all of that from
Speaker 2: the story. And even though this guy worked on it,
Speaker 2: you know, and there was all this content surrounding that particular.
Speaker 4: There are a lot of little tidbits, like the Indian
Speaker 4: kid was claiming to be in contact with some of
Speaker 4: these like ancient deities of their Hindu religion, and the
Speaker 4: mother kind of wanted to. It's like wisely dissuaded him
Speaker 4: from connecting more with those guys. That's not a good look.
Speaker 4: But there's something there. There's something that it immediately raised
Speaker 4: alarm bells because that new religion you're talking about that's
Speaker 4: gonna be coming into the fold.
Speaker 1: That's what it's going to be all about. Yeah, some
Speaker 1: sort of.
Speaker 2: Telepathic communication or every time it's the Iniad, it's the
Speaker 2: Egyptian Indiad. This, it's that it's the Pleadians shout out
Speaker 2: to the Prenadians. But yeah, I mean that's where we're going.
Speaker 3: Uh, you guys should reach out and to an interview
Speaker 3: with the doctor Richards Spence because he knows a lot
Speaker 3: about the spon R's angle of Lulvatsky and Crowley. His
Speaker 3: book Secret Agent sixty six six is really really good
Speaker 3: on all that, and he knows how to tie it
Speaker 3: into like the occult side of spying and all that too.
Speaker 2: Okay, cool, I got him here. I'm gonna save this tab. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's a huge part of where we're going.
Speaker 2: I was saying on the show that I was doing
Speaker 2: the other morning, where it's like, I think these these
Speaker 2: encounters used to omit christ in very many ways because
Speaker 2: they've been going on for a really long time. But
Speaker 2: I think especially now, and you you know, Christian nationalism
Speaker 2: ties heavily into this discussion, especially when it comes to
Speaker 2: the whole Hitler admiration thing. But at the very least,
Speaker 2: what you could say is there's been this awareness and
Speaker 2: this gearing towards the American consciousness towards christ and I
Speaker 2: think there's some parsing out that needs to be done.
Speaker 4: We're in strange territory for sure, And yeah, I think
Speaker 4: it relates like it's a one to one correlation of
Speaker 4: what's happening now between the idea of bringing Hitler back
Speaker 4: in in this fantastical view Nick Foentt as gaining the prominence.
Speaker 4: I think that the prominence that he does deserve, he
Speaker 4: shouldn't have been canceled the way he does. But it's
Speaker 4: no surprise that he is now moving the way he
Speaker 4: is now, especially after Charlie Kirk's death. So Kirk dies,
Speaker 4: there's this resurgence of what I can only explain is
Speaker 4: like Christian nationalism that's kind of like peeking in the forefront.
Speaker 4: They're doing, you know, their big megachurch thing at his
Speaker 4: memorial or funeral. At the same time, Nick foent As
Speaker 4: is sort of taking the he's taking the baton and
Speaker 4: moving in a different direction of whatever Charlie was doing.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't even know.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's weird because you know, this Christian nationalism that
Speaker 2: is emerging seems to be one that is like spiteful,
Speaker 2: like it can get easily mixed up with it's birthed
Speaker 2: out of hatred for like the other side, which is
Speaker 2: not necessarily I don't think that that's the direction that
Speaker 2: we should be going. And I think a lot of
Speaker 2: people would be subscribing to this Christian nationalism not out
Speaker 2: of you know, submission to God and this acceptance of
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ as their Lord and savior, but instead as
Speaker 2: a way to stick it to the other side that
Speaker 2: we've been, you know, and it's been.
Speaker 4: This is specifically hard to navigate because I think this show,
Speaker 4: you know, even though it has like some colorful language
Speaker 4: or whatever, what we're trying to do is lead people
Speaker 4: to Christ and tell people about God. And in a way,
Speaker 4: when this comes up, this sort of this flavor of
Speaker 4: Christian nationalism, I kind of don't want people to go
Speaker 4: towards this, So now I'm like working against my own
Speaker 4: endeavors here.
Speaker 2: Yeah wells and yeah well And before we depart from this,
Speaker 2: I just want to say, and then I'll pass the
Speaker 2: ball to you.
Speaker 3: Jay.
Speaker 2: I don't know which way were going to go with this,
Speaker 2: but that whole the the occult New Age movement, whatever
Speaker 2: used to omit. Christ now is forced to incorporate it
Speaker 2: because I think so many people are coming towards Jesus
Speaker 2: that they're like, Okay, this is a this is a
Speaker 2: thing that we need to figure out how to steer.
Speaker 2: So now you're getting crap like pleaighty and Jesus in
Speaker 2: blue scrubs with silver boots. Right, that's the story that
Speaker 2: we were reading. That's the guy that you're talking about.
Speaker 2: It's easy stuff though, but there's a lot of that.
Speaker 2: It's like now and then and then you get the
Speaker 2: whole gnostic thing of Jesus was an ascended master.
Speaker 1: He's just like Buddha.
Speaker 2: He had a coundlini awakening, YadA, YadA, YadA, the list on.
Speaker 1: You get into the weird stuff. Jay Jay encountered it
Speaker 1: the other day.
Speaker 4: It's like Jesus was actually from like he was Irish
Speaker 4: or something like that and the white people or the
Speaker 4: real and then it starts to get strange and you
Speaker 4: get into race identity and you are like, all.
Speaker 1: Right, what are we doing here?
Speaker 3: Guys?
Speaker 1: It feels like they need to They're like, we need to.
Speaker 1: This isn't going away. We need to muddy it a lot.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, uh thoughts, Jay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that you have to who Jesus is,
Speaker 3: and the Jesus of history is the Jesus in the church,
Speaker 3: Like you can't divorce who he is from the church
Speaker 3: they established, and we believe that he established a church
Speaker 3: in history. So when the apostles go out, you know,
Speaker 3: they set up sees s e s in the Roman
Speaker 3: Empire and you get the bishops that succeed from those
Speaker 3: different seas. If you read Paul's letters to Timothy, talks
Speaker 3: about laying hands on Timothy passing on the gift of
Speaker 3: the Holy Spirit, and he tells Timothy not to hastily
Speaker 3: lay hands on men after him, but to pick good dudes,
Speaker 3: solid dudes, to pass that that gift onto, much like
Speaker 3: you see in numbers eleven. When you know you have
Speaker 3: Moses laying hands on the elders passing the spirit when
Speaker 3: you have you know, at the end of Genesis, you
Speaker 3: know Joseph and the blessing in Genesis, there's this there's
Speaker 3: this biblical model of the passing on through the laying
Speaker 3: out of hands of the gift or the inheritance, which
Speaker 3: in the New Testaments fulfilled in the gift of the
Speaker 3: Holy Spirit. So anything that departs from that confession that
Speaker 3: you see in history, because we think Jesus promised the
Speaker 3: Holy Spirit to guide the Church and he would never
Speaker 3: leave it, you know in John fourteen to sixteen. So this,
Speaker 3: this presence of the Holy Spirit in the life of
Speaker 3: the church makes the church all so a theandric institution,
Speaker 3: which just means a god man or the body of
Speaker 3: the god Man institution. So it's not a social organization,
Speaker 3: it's not a political organization. It's something totally unique to history.
Speaker 3: It's a supernatural organism in our view. And so you know,
Speaker 3: when you go back to like the Nicene Creed and
Speaker 3: this kind of stuff, like there's not really any Christianity
Speaker 3: that departs from that, like it's not Christianity, it's some
Speaker 3: sort of deviation and all the gnostic stuff, all the
Speaker 3: sort of neopagan stuff. It's really going against mischaracterizations of
Speaker 3: what Christianity is. For example with the Hitler stuff. The people.
Speaker 3: The reason people are looking to that kind of of
Speaker 3: a based so called a leader is like, we haven't
Speaker 3: seen a base leader or what the Christian doctrine of
Speaker 3: the state actually is in practice in our generation. It
Speaker 3: doesn't exist. And when you go throughout Church history, you
Speaker 3: have countless examples of Christian kings who are opposed to Zionism,
Speaker 3: opposed while Desigonism post a rabbinical teut philosophy who fought Islam,
Speaker 3: a countless Orthodox Christian kings, especially in Serbia, who went
Speaker 3: to battle against Islam. So there is this genuine masculine
Speaker 3: kingly heroic patriarchal archetype that it still exists all throughout
Speaker 3: Orthodox iconography, the last of which would be Zar Nicholas,
Speaker 3: who was murdered by the Bolsheviks in a Talmudic ritual
Speaker 3: that has been banished, and people don't have any conception
Speaker 3: of this. So the deficient nature of Western Christianity for
Speaker 3: the most part, when it seeks for cultural and political
Speaker 3: and social solutions, it naturally then wants to gravitate towards
Speaker 3: the last thing that it thinks or remembers in its
Speaker 3: cultural memory as so called days, and that would be
Speaker 3: Tiny Mustache Man. But the reality is that he was
Speaker 3: brought into power by Western industrial money. They wanted a war.
Speaker 3: This war led to the ex the repatriation of to
Speaker 3: the Middle East by design, and there was an agreement
Speaker 3: between the Nazis and this called the Havara Agreement, so
Speaker 3: that Palestine could be set up. And after World War
Speaker 3: two you wouldn't have the nation state of it if
Speaker 3: you'd not had Tiny Mustache Man wreaking havoc and killing.
Speaker 3: By the way, millions and millions of Orthodox Christians and
Speaker 3: Russian Christians, Polish Christians who were fighting against them, not
Speaker 3: because they were just simply communists. They didn't appreciate the
Speaker 3: attitude that Hitler had, especially towards the Slavs. If you
Speaker 3: read in mind comp he sees them as lesser people
Speaker 3: very clearly. So we would say, as Orthodox and any
Speaker 3: Orthodox Christian saints said that the movement of Napoleon against
Speaker 3: Russia and Hitler against Russia were actually actions of the
Speaker 3: spirit of Antichrist. So just because you're against you can
Speaker 3: find a Roman emperor who didn't like does that mean
Speaker 3: that he's good because like, well, I mean, being a
Speaker 3: Roman emperor and I need to be worshiped and seeing
Speaker 3: yourself as a sort of a god figure. It doesn't
Speaker 3: make you necessarily based. I mean, unless you just hate Christianity,
Speaker 3: as many of the wig nets do. But I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: there's a combination of things there that make it very difficult,
Speaker 3: and that's why people are turning to this created meme
Speaker 3: icon which I believe is a replacement for real kingly iconography.
Speaker 3: If you look at what I posted on my Twitter
Speaker 3: the other day, I put two saints, one from the
Speaker 3: king of Serbia, Saint Stephen, who fought against Muslims, and
Speaker 3: then another one was the Romanovs who didn't like So
Speaker 3: you've got these images in our Christian civilization that are
Speaker 3: opposed to these things. And you can go back to Byzantium.
Speaker 3: It's the same ideology, the same system, but you're not
Speaker 3: supposed to talk about any of that. You're only supposed
Speaker 3: to talk about I don't know, tiny mustache man or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's it.
Speaker 1: That's it. That's an Actually it does.
Speaker 4: It clarifies a lot because I'm left in this situation
Speaker 4: where I'm looking at the we're looking at the state
Speaker 4: of the world, the state of America, and we're like, clearly,
Speaker 4: we do need some sort of a strong man. I
Speaker 4: have the proclivity to deny whatever strong man will rise
Speaker 4: up from the movement that's happening now, because it's it
Speaker 4: seems like the fruit is a little bit tainted.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then on the other side of that, when you ask, like,
Speaker 4: I don't know Christian just right, do your regular Christian person.
Speaker 4: We go to a Pentecostal church, So obviously my family's
Speaker 4: like that. They're like, we're just waiting on Jesus, like
Speaker 4: rely on God. And I'm like, yeah, that's that's good.
Speaker 4: But there's stuff happening now, and I got kids in
Speaker 4: the world, so like what It's just like it's a
Speaker 4: weird conundrum for me, Like what should I be aimed at.
Speaker 4: Should we be looking to galvanize some sort of a
Speaker 4: movement that actually is a Christian movement, a Christian nation maybe,
Speaker 4: like somewhere along the lines of like the guy Joel
Speaker 4: Webbins seems like the kind of I haven't paid as
Speaker 4: much as attention to him as I should have, but
Speaker 4: he seems kind of like be pushing in that direction
Speaker 4: or justly fa faith based, which I'm definitely I'm not
Speaker 4: leaning towards it, but I'm trying my best to do
Speaker 4: that as well.
Speaker 1: And I think that this actually goes along with what
Speaker 1: you're saying.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask, you know, what you would
Speaker 2: say to people who say Christianity is a Jewish psyop
Speaker 2: meant to sort of lull you into complacency.
Speaker 1: Judeo Christianity certainly is.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm but there are people that look at like
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ and this idea of Christianity as like passivism,
Speaker 2: and they would say that Christianity the point of it
Speaker 2: is so that you can be taken over effectively, because
Speaker 2: it is, it's because of its tenets.
Speaker 4: Well, they'll say, like Jesus, Jesus will come back with
Speaker 4: a you know, to rule with a rod of iron.
Speaker 4: It's like, but we're waiting for him to do that.
Speaker 4: It's like, should we be waiting just for that like
Speaker 4: we are? We are we to not gain dominion of
Speaker 4: this this blessing that we've been given in the meantime
Speaker 4: or should we just kind of just wait around and
Speaker 4: whatever happens happens.
Speaker 3: Well, the answers are already in Church history. If you
Speaker 3: look at the first three centuries when the Church is
Speaker 3: persecuted by the Roman beast, it takes a few million
Speaker 3: martyrs before the empire gets christianized, and it does successfully
Speaker 3: get christianized. I believe that's a fulfillment of Daniel two
Speaker 3: because it says that the empire under which the Messiah
Speaker 3: is born would eventually be taken over by his kingdom.
Speaker 3: Jesus said that the Church is the kingdom Matthew sixteen.
Speaker 3: The Church expands and it is given to the gentiles
Speaker 3: Matthew twenty one to forty three at the First Advent.
Speaker 3: So if you look at all the passages in the
Speaker 3: New test One, it's side Psalm one about the ascension.
Speaker 3: The ascension is what happened in Acts. That's when he
Speaker 3: begins his reign and set him a right hand, and
Speaker 3: I'll make your enemies your footstool. So you're absolutely right
Speaker 3: about that. Dominion mandate is actually now given to the church.
Speaker 3: The Church takes dominion by converting the nations. It's not
Speaker 3: primarily political. There is a side effect, a down the
Speaker 3: stream effect of conversion of the empire does eventually affect
Speaker 3: the politics, and you get Christian law. As Orthodox, we
Speaker 3: believe that Justin was St. Justinian is a saint, and
Speaker 3: he put out the Code of Justinian, which is the
Speaker 3: famous historic Christian law document that makes Christian laws. So
Speaker 3: all the Orthodox kings that we talked about also had
Speaker 3: the same modus operuna, the same principle of enacting Christian laws.
Speaker 3: But it's it's not that we do politics first. So
Speaker 3: in our perspective as Orthodox, we believe that as the
Speaker 3: nation permeates with Christianity, Orthodox Christianity, particular, when it's the majority,
Speaker 3: they can then begin to pass the Christian laws. Right,
Speaker 3: you're going to outlaw things like blasphemy, You're not going
Speaker 3: to have all this nonsense. I believe in Orthodox Christian
Speaker 3: monarchy that's the best form of government, but that's not
Speaker 3: our first priority. Right. The early Church, they didn't go
Speaker 3: out to try to make sure that Caesar and the
Speaker 3: senators converted to make to make Rome be Christian. They
Speaker 3: converted in an organic sort of way, and then eventually
Speaker 3: it permeated the Empire, and it took a few centuries.
Speaker 3: And you know in the West and America it's a
Speaker 3: similar situation. They were kind of in a pagan society, basically,
Speaker 3: but through the Internet things like that, we might actually
Speaker 3: see a quicker type of conversion and permeation of authentic Christianity.
Speaker 3: It's not going to be this megachurch nonsense, but people
Speaker 3: are going to be looking for the historic form of Christianity.
Speaker 3: What was Christianity like for the first thousand years? And
Speaker 3: I think that's what people find interesting in what we
Speaker 3: talk about. I'm not attacking or dissing you guys, or
Speaker 3: doubting your sincerity or anything like that, but you know,
Speaker 3: I was Protestant, raised Protestant, and then reading church history
Speaker 3: and reading the Church Fathers and all that that kind
Speaker 3: of led me in this direction. So that kind of
Speaker 3: a Christianity already has a doctrine of the state. And
Speaker 3: I think what you get with people like Joel Webbin,
Speaker 3: And I remember I was used to be in a
Speaker 3: Calvinist church kind of like what Joel Webbin's in, and
Speaker 3: we were kind of super caist. I think. So I'm
Speaker 3: not talking to him, I just think so. I'm not positive,
Speaker 3: but I think what those kind of groups are kind
Speaker 3: of searching for, what is the relationship of a church
Speaker 3: and state. It's kind of already been answered, you know,
Speaker 3: and Orthodox already has two thousand years of how you
Speaker 3: go about symphonia, which is the double headed eagle. It's
Speaker 3: not a Masonic symbol. It's you got one body of
Speaker 3: the people, church and state working together in harmony. It's
Speaker 3: not perfect. They're going to have corrupt church leaders, are
Speaker 3: going to have corupt politicians. But the ideal is when
Speaker 3: Christianity permeates, you do have Christian laws.
Speaker 1: Orthodoxy was something that I was looking into.
Speaker 2: It turns out that where I moved, the nearest one
Speaker 2: was like over an hour away, and I'm like, I just.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't do that.
Speaker 3: We go.
Speaker 1: We go to the same church.
Speaker 2: Now. I like the Pentecostals because every time they start
Speaker 2: speaking in tongues, I get to look abound.
Speaker 1: I go, this is weird, but it is.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 4: I don't think that God only resides in one spot.
Speaker 4: I think if you call, if you call him, he's omnipresent.
Speaker 4: So it's just a place that I go to on Sunday.
Speaker 4: But really the church is kind of like what we're
Speaker 4: doing here at this coffee shop. I'm excited if be
Speaker 4: able to make it down. But it's like there's a
Speaker 4: Christian library in the back and then Matt Hepner is
Speaker 4: a guy that we like talk to. We do Bible
Speaker 4: studies with this guy, So we're talking about the Bible,
Speaker 4: we're talking about God and the people that walk into
Speaker 4: this shop. You know, there's just varying perspectives, and we're
Speaker 4: able to like actually do church every single day rather
Speaker 4: than one denomination where you know, like we just go
Speaker 4: up once a week.
Speaker 1: Yeah I can't. I can't drive an hour and a
Speaker 1: half to That was the first thing I looked at
Speaker 1: when I came down here or up here, and and
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 3: Like, dang, well, yeah, it's actually spreading. So like, for example,
Speaker 3: many of the churches I've talked to the priests and
Speaker 3: bishops and like they're all talking about everything is tripled
Speaker 3: in size the last couple of years. So that means
Speaker 3: that there will be more more and more mission parishes
Speaker 3: and whatnot being set up. But you guys are welcome
Speaker 3: to to come to our conference November twenty one, twenty second,
Speaker 3: if you want to come over to a Palm Coast,
Speaker 3: we're having a two day Orthodox conference. So we've already
Speaker 3: got about one hundred and fifty people coming. You guys
Speaker 3: are welcome to show up.
Speaker 1: That would be dope.
Speaker 3: I would love to do you have for free by
Speaker 3: you come free?
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yeah, after the show we'll get the information.
Speaker 1: That'd be very cool. We should actually begin to wrap up.
Speaker 1: And I want to respect Jase times.
Speaker 2: Well, I want to do you have a question because
Speaker 2: I yeah, we have a big question, the final one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the final one, the most important one.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Jay, Uh, this is something that we've begun to close
Speaker 2: all of our shows with and it always turns out
Speaker 2: to be a fun question that are always like really interesting,
Speaker 2: that's nothing crazy.
Speaker 3: Definitely, And I asked.
Speaker 1: Just muted. You said you were on some podcasts and what.
Speaker 3: You music?
Speaker 1: You have to touch the mike the fingers. Uh, he's
Speaker 1: got that.
Speaker 2: Shore, the newer shore, and when he touches it, it's
Speaker 2: like as not Yeah, Jay, we lost you there, you're
Speaker 2: still You've been muted the podcast.
Speaker 3: It was some weird final question. You know, what's your
Speaker 3: favorite sex position? It's just weird.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, this one pertains I suppose not in
Speaker 1: this episode. Okay, if you say yes, just in everything
Speaker 1: that you're doing, are you having fun?
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Yeah? I mean I wouldn't. I would not trade
Speaker 3: any of this for what I was trying to do,
Speaker 3: which was, you know, academia. I was gonna try to
Speaker 3: be a professor, and like I told you guys, a professor.
Speaker 3: The graduate advisor was like, well, you're a straight white male,
Speaker 3: You're probably not welcome here. And I remember saying to him, well,
Speaker 3: I guess I'll go, I don't know, start a blog
Speaker 3: into a podcast. He actually laughed. He was like, good
Speaker 3: luck with that. But that was back in like the
Speaker 3: late two thousands when that was kind of not really
Speaker 3: it was everybody was doing podcasts at that time, and
Speaker 3: I remember he was specifically and he wasn't laughing. He
Speaker 3: was laughing in a shitty way, like you won't make it,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I was like, well, just
Speaker 3: about that. So but he was that weirdo creep that
Speaker 3: he didn't ever like touch my But the word was
Speaker 3: he tried to sleep with the young dudes on campus.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm just like, yeah, whatever, dude.
Speaker 4: Man, all all these things work out for a certain way, right,
Speaker 4: Like I guess, uh, I'm believing it this way. But
Speaker 4: God will close the door and you'll slam it shut
Speaker 4: in your face and you'll sit there wondering like why
Speaker 4: the hell. I thought I was supposed to do a
Speaker 4: thing right and it's just not that thing, not this place,
Speaker 4: not right now. And I think you're in the right spot, dude.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's obvious. You're you're in your element. And uh,
Speaker 2: it's good to see. I mean nowadays I feel like
Speaker 2: I see everywhere and that's why.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Whatever. By the way, congratulations.
Speaker 4: I saw like the latest clip that you put up
Speaker 4: where he's like he converted, like you got you got
Speaker 4: it like twenty and we're passes.
Speaker 1: Dude's twenty.
Speaker 3: So I can say right now that's one of them,
Speaker 3: got one of them now, was down to twenty three?
Speaker 3: Yeahood three is out right, So you guys can get Yeah,
Speaker 3: I've read thousand pages on film analyzes now. So this
Speaker 3: is the completion of the trilogy. It just arrived a
Speaker 3: couple of days ago, So you guys can get signed
Speaker 3: copies of that at the website. Also in Tampa, will
Speaker 3: be at Tampa for the Tampa Bay Screams Horror Convention
Speaker 3: costume party in the over thirtieth and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thirtieth.
Speaker 2: Uh, that's like Jamie reached out and she but it's
Speaker 2: like it's so far. I was like, I can't make it.
Speaker 2: You guys are gonna want to drive two additional hours.
Speaker 2: Of course we'd love to have.
Speaker 3: But you guys are on the way, Like I could
Speaker 3: we can go to the what do you say, late lady,
Speaker 3: Lady Fingers or.
Speaker 2: Lady Fingers lady, you were south of us? No, I
Speaker 2: don't know Florida's enigma.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're in St. Augustine. So we drive down to
Speaker 3: you and then to Tampa.
Speaker 2: Well, that day wouldn't work anyway because we have quite
Speaker 2: frankly show and we have Owen Benjamin coming on.
Speaker 1: Well, what I'm saying, oh, you guys love Owen Benjamin.
Speaker 3: Is what I'm saying is we can I can meet
Speaker 3: up with you guys on the way back or on
Speaker 3: the way down.
Speaker 1: That would be cool. On the way back could work out.
Speaker 2: And Okay, so look, I don't know if we're gonna
Speaker 2: end up doing this, but if you're listening to this show,
Speaker 2: maybe we could figure out something where we use the
Speaker 2: space in the back.
Speaker 1: We'll do a little bit of book.
Speaker 3: You guys aren't even that far. We can do this
Speaker 3: at any time.
Speaker 1: Dude, I'm so confused about where you are. I thought.
Speaker 2: Petersburg Saint Petersburg is super south. It's it's more south
Speaker 2: of Tampa. So maybe that's to be honest, we're probably
Speaker 2: the Orthodox Church than we think.
Speaker 3: How far are you from Orlando?
Speaker 1: Uh, now we're north of Orlando.
Speaker 3: Okay, then you are closer to me than you're like
Speaker 3: an hour from me.
Speaker 2: What maybe he's right by the church and we were
Speaker 2: looking at that's why he's going to the church and
Speaker 2: it's imagining for him.
Speaker 3: Aid we should just meet up and do some podcasts
Speaker 3: like at any time.
Speaker 1: Dude, dude, Yeah, we know.
Speaker 4: We've got a studio here, We've got we're building a
Speaker 4: great community that would vibe with what what you're doing.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, man, you would. You would love it here and
Speaker 1: people would would come out to come.
Speaker 3: What's it called Lady Lake.
Speaker 1: It's called Lady Lake. Yeah, it's it's it's the villages.
Speaker 1: It's where all the old people have, all the s.
Speaker 3: T d s. You know what I'm talking all this
Speaker 3: humping old people. I know where that is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, we picked that on. We're out here, dog, We're.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: Jay, thank you for thanks for coming on.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: This is great.
Speaker 4: I love always love talking to Jay. And uh, hopefully
Speaker 4: we'll see you soon. Any parting words for us man,
Speaker 4: you guys about where the heck people can find you.
Speaker 3: You guys are technically just two hours away. I could
Speaker 3: come at any time. That's that's nothing so awesome.
Speaker 4: Okay, we'll work on some odds and ends for you,
Speaker 4: all right, Yeah, dude, it's been a great episode.
Speaker 1: Until next time, don't forget to obey some and comply
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