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<v Speaker 1>From the voices on the trail to the voices in town.

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<v Speaker 1>station at six here, fifty five KRCD talk station. Happy Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>love my Tuesdays. Here in the fifty five ARC Morning Show.

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<v Speaker 1>For no other reason. Two segments one right now, the

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<v Speaker 1>Breitbart Inside Scoop and we'll get the Daniel Davis deep

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<v Speaker 1>Dive at the bottom of the air. In the meantime, though,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm happy to welcome back to the fifty five KRC

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<v Speaker 1>Morning Show. Bright bartb r e I t b Art

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. Book Market International Editor Francis Martel. Good you

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<v Speaker 1>have you back on.

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<v Speaker 2>Francis, thanks so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's try to make some sense out of

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on in the Middle East. Beginning with something

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<v Speaker 1>that I thought I wanted to laugh, but it scared

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<v Speaker 1>me at the same time, just recognizing the realities of

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<v Speaker 1>the technology that exists today, but the idea that we

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<v Speaker 1>were going to assume because our presum because they haven't

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<v Speaker 1>taken responsibility for it, but that Israel somehow managed to

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<v Speaker 1>get pagers and then also walkie talkies into the hands

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<v Speaker 1>of members of Hezbala and then on two separate occasions

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<v Speaker 1>simultaneously blew them up, killing a multitude of people and

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<v Speaker 1>injuring thousands, most notably members of Hezbala. How does any

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pulling that off is just genius? And then my

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<v Speaker 1>expectation was, well, once they do that, given that hisball

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<v Speaker 1>will be back knocked back on their heels or severely damaged.

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<v Speaker 1>From a hierarchy standpoint, that Israel would go in with

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<v Speaker 1>an offensive and try to get those terrorists out of

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<v Speaker 1>the area. So that seems to be the way it unfolded.

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<v Speaker 1>But your reaction initially to the explosive devices.

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<v Speaker 2>Well definitely shocked. I mean, I think like every American,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, my first reaction was pagers were what years

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<v Speaker 2>is this?

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<v Speaker 1>I know as you dive.

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<v Speaker 2>Deeper into it, there is evidence that several months ago,

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<v Speaker 2>after the October seventh attacks by Hamas, the leadership in

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<v Speaker 2>Hasbala told their officials get rid of your cell phone,

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<v Speaker 2>get rid of anything smart. We're going to go back

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<v Speaker 2>to beepers because we don't want our communications intercepted. And

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<v Speaker 2>then they made this large order of beepers from what

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<v Speaker 2>they thought was this Taiwanese company which is one of

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<v Speaker 2>the few companies in the world that still makes pagers,

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<v Speaker 2>And it turns out that that shipment was outsourced to

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<v Speaker 2>a very mysterious Bulgarian supplier. And so the Taiwanese company

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<v Speaker 2>whose brand name is on the exploding pagers said, we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't make these. We just had a supplier come up

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<v Speaker 2>to us and say we want to pay you to

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<v Speaker 2>use your branding to make pagers. And so now the

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<v Speaker 2>question is what is this company? I think it was,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, not Bulgarian, Hungarian from Budapest. Who are these people?

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<v Speaker 2>How did they get this shipment? How did they come

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<v Speaker 2>into contact with Hezbala? And the walkie talkies are very

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<v Speaker 2>similar situations. The walkie talk that exploded the next day

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<v Speaker 2>after the pagers had a brand name of this company Icon,

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<v Speaker 2>which is based in Japan, and when the company was

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<v Speaker 2>approached after the attacks, they basically said, this particular model

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<v Speaker 2>of walkie talkie, we haven't made this in a decade.

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<v Speaker 2>We did not make these unless they were very old models.

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<v Speaker 2>But you can get cheap knockoffs on Chinese websites. Still

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of Chinese manufacturers, who obviously have no respect

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<v Speaker 2>for copyright, just make this walkie talkie that we don't

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<v Speaker 2>make anymore, and we still don't know where the has.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people bought the walkie talkies. And then

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<v Speaker 2>there's a whole other group of electronics that exploded that

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<v Speaker 2>raised all sorts of questions. There were solar panels that detonated, laptop,

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<v Speaker 2>cell phone, There was a store like a text store

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<v Speaker 2>full of computers and cell phones and all that that exploded,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we don't totally know for sure which of

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<v Speaker 2>the devices in there exploded. So there are a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of unanswered questions, a.

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<v Speaker 1>Lot in The biggest elephant in the room for me

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of questions is how did they manage to

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<v Speaker 1>just get him in the hands of heads BALA members

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<v Speaker 1>and not just the general public. This wasn't like HESBALA

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<v Speaker 1>all walked into their version of the Best Buy or

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<v Speaker 1>collectively you know, went onto Amazon. I mean, this was

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<v Speaker 1>this is a sort of a private order place that

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately inseircuitously worked itself through somebody who put bombs in

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<v Speaker 1>these phones, But it was an order for his Bala.

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<v Speaker 1>Do they have their own account? You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, it seems like someone has balla called the

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<v Speaker 2>Budapest pager company and said, we want a mass shipment

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, thousands of pagers. Can you do that

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<v Speaker 2>a bulk shipment? And they said yes. And so the

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<v Speaker 2>question is where where did hes Bola end up contacting

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<v Speaker 2>this company, Why did they choose this company? And what

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<v Speaker 2>who is that company?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a lot of speculation that that was an

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli you know as intelligence surration, a big company. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, Israel has not confirmed or denied they

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<v Speaker 2>had any involvement in this. There's no no one has

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<v Speaker 2>taken responsibility. But there are very few actors on the

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<v Speaker 2>world stage that have that kind of intelligence ability and

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<v Speaker 2>insultration ability to pull something like this off. So if

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't Israel, it's a very short list of potential

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<v Speaker 2>people who did this.

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<v Speaker 1>True. Now the justification, of course obviously the ongoing conflict.

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<v Speaker 1>Their terrorist organization internationally labeled as such, they run that

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<v Speaker 1>particular area of the world. It's obviously on Israel's northern border.

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<v Speaker 1>And since israel I guess has got pretty far along

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<v Speaker 1>in its eradication of the Hamas terrasts in Gaza, they

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<v Speaker 1>have now turned their attention to Hisbala. That's the order

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<v Speaker 1>of things presently as you see them Francis.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and it's not just that they're going terror group

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<v Speaker 2>by terror groups trying to eliminate them all. There is

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<v Speaker 2>a massive crisis in northern Israel, where there's about.

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<v Speaker 3>Sixty thousand, sixty thousand, five hundred people who have been

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<v Speaker 3>displaced from northern Israel. The Israeli government cannot guarantee their

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<v Speaker 3>security on Israeli land because hes Bola has been bombing

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<v Speaker 3>that territory for months and months.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not just about getting rid of all of

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<v Speaker 2>Iran's proxies, which Hamas is hes Bala is. It's about

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that there are tens of thousands of Israelis

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<v Speaker 2>who cannot return home in addition to obviously the hostages,

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<v Speaker 2>and so they have to prioritize, you know, who are

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<v Speaker 2>who are they keeping safe and the rest of the country.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's obviously a lot of concern with the

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<v Speaker 2>Hoozies and Iraqi Iranian proxies that they are shooting missiles

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<v Speaker 2>Israel's way, but there's a much more imminent danger in

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<v Speaker 2>northern Israel, where the government does not control the land anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Has Bala controls that land, and that's a huge problem.

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<v Speaker 1>It certainly is in land that was previously held by

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<v Speaker 1>Israel too, if I recall my history.

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<v Speaker 2>Correctly, Yes, that's Israeli territory. Those sixty thousand people are

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<v Speaker 2>Israelis and they simply cannot live there because has Bola

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<v Speaker 2>had taken it over.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, I was thinking eleven on generally because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, at some points in global history, I mean Israel,

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<v Speaker 1>if you look back to what the sixty eight war,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they took over Egypt, the Sinai Peninsula, they

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<v Speaker 1>had the goal on heights, I mean everything. It looked

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<v Speaker 1>like it was quadruple the size Israel was prior to

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<v Speaker 1>the war erupting, if I remember my wars correctly. But

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<v Speaker 1>in any event, we're still talking about Israel's border against

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<v Speaker 1>obviously a terrorist controlled sections of land. Now, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>this is Iran's proxy war, right, I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 1>Iran funded. The missiles are coming from Iran and they're

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<v Speaker 1>going I presume Iran has directed these activities or is

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<v Speaker 1>it your perception, Francis that these terrorist organizations are on

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<v Speaker 2>They are absolutely not operating on their own. This is

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely an Iranian proxy war. And the reason they're relying

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<v Speaker 2>so heavily on these proxies is that the Iranian military

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<v Speaker 2>is not very strong right now. And a big part

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<v Speaker 2>of that was that President Trump a sanctioned Iran very

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<v Speaker 2>heavily and it's oil industry. And number two, he took

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<v Speaker 2>out Cassam Soleimani, who was basically the foreign terrorism chief

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<v Speaker 2>of the Iranian government. He reconducted an airstrike killed him

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<v Speaker 2>in Baghdad. And now you've put off that head. They

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have anyone with the same amount of diplomatic and

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<v Speaker 2>military talent to coordinate the kinds of terror attacks that

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<v Speaker 2>they want to coordinate. So now they have to rely

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<v Speaker 2>on Housi leadership, They have to rely on Hazbaba, they

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<v Speaker 2>have to rely on the popular mobilization forces in Iraq,

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<v Speaker 2>which are now calling themselves the Islamic Resistance in Iraq,

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<v Speaker 2>and they have to rely on Hamath and Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

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<v Speaker 2>These are all groups that get Iranian money. These are

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<v Speaker 2>all groups whose leadership travels to Tehran regularly to meet

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<v Speaker 2>with Ayatola Komani and with the President. So Iran is

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<v Speaker 2>very clearly involved here, and I don't think that these

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<v Speaker 2>groups are active in a rogue way, because if they

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<v Speaker 2>do something that just squeezes Iron, then the money gets

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<v Speaker 2>cut off and they can't operate at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I suppose then without dealing with Iran, we're I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Iranians are constantly commenting. I saw the

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<v Speaker 1>statement from Masud Peziski, and I guess he's one of their.

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<v Speaker 1>He was at the United Nations General Assembly meeting. He

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<v Speaker 1>was there to speak. He he is speaking. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he acknowledges this is basically their proxy war. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we do not wish to be the cause of instability

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<v Speaker 1>in the Middle East, as his consequences would be irreversible.

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<v Speaker 1>We the Iranians, and so it's almost as if he

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<v Speaker 1>is substituting himself for the Huthis and the Hamas members

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<v Speaker 1>and Hebala admitting that it is Iran behind all of this,

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<v Speaker 1>and I guess his his ultimate goal is, well, it

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<v Speaker 1>must be the eradication of Israel, because but for them

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<v Speaker 1>and their policies relative to Israel, then none of this

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<v Speaker 1>would be happening. I mean, this is what's so frustrating

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<v Speaker 1>to me. So, if we're not dealing directly with the Iranians.

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<v Speaker 1>Israel's free to go after the people who are directly

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<v Speaker 1>attacking its people, the terrorist organizations. I give you October seventh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's them going after them. But there will always be,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think forever, an unlimited number of people who

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<v Speaker 1>hate Israel. It's baked into the equation generation after generation.

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<v Speaker 1>They just need someone to fund it so they can

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<v Speaker 1>organize their terrorist organizations or their guerrilla warfare and continue

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<v Speaker 1>to go after Israel. This is not going to stop

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<v Speaker 1>unless Iran is dealt with. Unless I've seen something wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that is absolutely true. The only thing I would

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<v Speaker 2>add to this is that the other source of seemingly

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<v Speaker 2>unlimited jihanis that are willing to kill to eliminate Israel

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<v Speaker 2>is the UN, the UN Release and Works Aid Agency

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<v Speaker 2>for Palestinians that operates in Gaza. We know that they

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<v Speaker 2>have schools where they teach children to hate Jews, to

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<v Speaker 2>hate Israel, that martyrdom quote unquote is a good thing,

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<v Speaker 2>And so there is a UN agency that's also banking

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<v Speaker 2>and expanding this genocidal hatred. So getting rid of Iran

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<v Speaker 2>would get rid of the vast majority of the problem,

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<v Speaker 2>and by that, by the way. I don't mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>bomb or regime change, just cutting off the financial backing

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<v Speaker 2>from Iran.

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<v Speaker 1>Which Trump did his administration with great with great effect.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Trump sanctioned the hell out of the Iranians

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<v Speaker 1>and it seemed to work to a.

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<v Speaker 2>Large degree, exactly. And that was kind of the brilliance

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<v Speaker 2>of the Trump administration is that previous Republican administrations would

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<v Speaker 2>be a problem like this and solve it with bomb,

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<v Speaker 2>and Trump would always go to the money. Trump would

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<v Speaker 2>be very quick to sanction people. The anecdote I always

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<v Speaker 2>bring up is when the Turkish government arrested Pastor Andrew Brunson.

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<v Speaker 2>He was arrested on charges of proselatizing Christianity and insulting

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<v Speaker 2>the president or something. It was not even clear what

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<v Speaker 2>they arrested him for. Trump sanctioned Turkey to such an

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<v Speaker 2>extent a NATO ally that he basically tanked the Turkish economy,

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<v Speaker 2>and one day and in something like a week, they

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<v Speaker 2>freed Pastor Bunton and then problem solved. So that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of diplomacy that Trump brought to the table.

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<v Speaker 2>That didn't necessarily you know, he didn't bomb Istanbul. He

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<v Speaker 2>just didn't buy their goods anymore. And with Iran it

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<v Speaker 2>was a very similar attitude of well, they have this

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<v Speaker 2>oil industry that supports everything. And he also sanctioned the

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<v Speaker 2>other arms of Iranian financing, specifically Venezuela. Iran refines oil

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<v Speaker 2>in Venezuela. Iran and Hezbala have very close relations with

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<v Speaker 2>drug traffickers in South America, and Trump sanctioned everybody there.

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<v Speaker 2>He cut off the money to everybody there, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>money that didn't go to Iran. In contrast, the Democrats

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<v Speaker 2>gave Iran pallets of cash, and suddenly we have, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the popular mobilization forces in Iraq, which did not exist

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<v Speaker 2>before Obama.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're that much closer to getting a bomb. So

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<v Speaker 1>Francis Martel, you can see her tonight. She is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be appearing in Empower You seminar beginning at seven pm.

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<v Speaker 1>Empower Youamerica dot org. This is a virtual class only

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<v Speaker 1>she's not flying into town to be a two twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five Northern Boulevards. So empower you America dot org. Subject matter,

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<v Speaker 1>how might US foreign policy toward Iran change in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five? I guess that assumes that there's a change

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<v Speaker 1>in administration, and it doesn't go with the Harris administration, Francis,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think we're going to get a whole lot

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<v Speaker 1>more of the same thing if we don't elect Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, and you know, we're going to talk about both.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what happens. What are the policies on the

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<v Speaker 2>table for Trump and for Harris. And we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about iron kind of in a much bigger picture way,

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<v Speaker 2>not just what is Iran's relationship to its allies in

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<v Speaker 2>the Middle East, but how does Iran leverage alliances in

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<v Speaker 2>places like South America, its alliances with North Korea, It's

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<v Speaker 2>membership in bricks, how does it use this global network

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<v Speaker 2>to empower itself Because a lot of mainstream media refers

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<v Speaker 2>to Iran as kind of this rogue state that's just

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<v Speaker 2>out there on its own trying to do its thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not. It is part of a deep and wealthy,

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<v Speaker 2>global anti American network. So that we're going to dive

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<v Speaker 2>deep into that. I'm really excited to work with the

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<v Speaker 2>empower you folks. They do great work and yeah, hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be a good time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm certain it is and very informative. Marcel. It's always

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<v Speaker 1>a pleasure having in the program. And I might note

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<v Speaker 1>that the Biden Harris foreign policy has led that rogue, independent,

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<v Speaker 1>isolated state Iran into the hands and arms of the Chinese,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as the North Koreans and the everybody else

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<v Speaker 1>who has an interest against the United States. It's one

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<v Speaker 1>of those the enemy of my enemy is my friend

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<v Speaker 1>things and other global leaders look at it the same way. Marcel.

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<v Speaker 1>We look forward to seeing you tonight at power you

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<v Speaker 1>America dot org.

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<v Speaker 1>a wonderful day of good luck with the speech tonight

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<v Speaker 1>or the discussion tonight. Francis, thanks for being on the program.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much for having me on.

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