Speaker 1: Ninety five miles an hour riding too his head.
Speaker 2: He hopped down.
Speaker 1: First with the lump bonius face, and on the very
Speaker 1: next pitch he up and stole second phase.
Speaker 3: With gretest speed.
Speaker 4: He wasn't born, he had yes uniform.
Speaker 2: All right, welcome to episode Neil Kotts of the Prospect
Speaker 2: b Side Podcast. That's episode forty six. You all right
Speaker 2: with Neil Katz there? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Are we just gonna get more and more esoteric with it?
Speaker 3: We need to just get deeper and deeper into the archives.
Speaker 2: Well, we can't go we can't go like pretty boy
Speaker 2: with it right. We can't go bat or maddingly or
Speaker 2: with good point good point plus. You know what Neil
Speaker 2: Kotts has on those cats is that he was a
Speaker 2: member of the greatest team of our lifetimes and those
Speaker 2: other fellows were not what two thousand have White Sox, dude.
Speaker 3: The greatest team of our lifetimes.
Speaker 2: The greatest single season team of our lifetimes. Yes, how
Speaker 2: do you? Okay?
Speaker 3: You gotta explain that one a little more to me
Speaker 3: that why is that other than your own fandom? Why
Speaker 3: is that the greatest team?
Speaker 2: Wired wire first place, completely dominated. They used six starting pitchers,
Speaker 2: the whole season. They lost once in the playoffs, and
Speaker 2: mind you, they went four complete games in a row.
Speaker 2: They absolutely wiped the floor with everybody. No one could
Speaker 2: touch them. I don't remember how many games they want,
Speaker 2: one hundred and some, but most dominant season of anyone
Speaker 2: in our lifetimes, in my opinion, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think in our lifetimes we also had
Speaker 3: the two thousand and one Mariners that put up the
Speaker 3: record for most wins in a season. We also had they.
Speaker 2: Also didn't win a championship.
Speaker 3: But I think you know enough about baseball that like,
Speaker 3: the playoff winner is not the best team a lot
Speaker 3: of the time.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, and.
Speaker 3: It's a crash like who can It's definitely not. It's
Speaker 3: a crapshoot who got hot and for a couple of weeks,
Speaker 3: Like I think the playoffs, the playoff winner in baseball
Speaker 3: is a really fun thing. And I think it's a
Speaker 3: fun tournament because it's unpredictable. It's not like the NBA Finals,
Speaker 3: when you have the best team, you're making the finals
Speaker 3: every time and unless you run into another all time
Speaker 3: great team, you're gonna win. Baseball is different, and I
Speaker 3: think that's a feature, not a bug. But I also
Speaker 3: think that the discourse around you're not an all time
Speaker 3: great team unless you win the championship is silly. Like
Speaker 3: the Braves won in twenty twenty one the World Series,
Speaker 3: and their teams the past three years have all for
Speaker 3: sure been better teams than the team that won the
Speaker 3: World Series, And I think that that's like indicative of
Speaker 3: the way that baseball shakes out. They had like a
Speaker 3: good team that got hot and beat a couple of
Speaker 3: really good teams in the playoffs, but they were not
Speaker 3: a great team, and they've had some great teams since.
Speaker 3: So I mean, I just think that's like.
Speaker 2: The point is to be the best team in the tournament.
Speaker 2: That is the goal. Obviously you have to get to
Speaker 2: the tournament. But regardless of all.
Speaker 3: Of that, winning the tournament does not mean that you're
Speaker 3: the best team in the tournament. I think that's what
Speaker 3: I'm saying is that it's are you the best team
Speaker 3: when you lose a season series against another team, like
Speaker 3: and that's you know, fourteen games.
Speaker 2: This is where the nerdiness of baseball just gets way
Speaker 2: beyond me, Like I understand what you're saying, like in
Speaker 2: a rodeo sense, maybe they weren't the best team or whatever.
Speaker 2: But you play the game on the field, you win
Speaker 2: on the field. It is the tournament that you have
Speaker 2: to win if you want to get the trophy. But
Speaker 2: that's the fairest or the greatest measurement.
Speaker 3: That's potological, right, Like that's saying they're the best because
Speaker 3: they're the best. And I think that the definition of
Speaker 3: the best players and the best teams are what's the
Speaker 3: greatest collection of talent and the way that we can
Speaker 3: best express that or best understand how that talent's expressed
Speaker 3: is in scoring the most runs and preventing the most runs.
Speaker 3: So teams that have the greatest pithag in history or
Speaker 3: the greatest run differential in history, those are the teams
Speaker 3: that are the most talented. Sometimes those teams win in
Speaker 3: older eras they tended to win a lot more often
Speaker 3: in our current era, like with the wild card era,
Speaker 3: that those teams absolutely can lose in a five game
Speaker 3: series and a seven game series back to back to back.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like looking at the past decade of
Speaker 3: the Dodgers, you know, especially before last year, and being like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: they have one short season championship, Like are they the
Speaker 3: best team of the last ten years. Like, they're unquestionably
Speaker 3: the best team of the last ten years. They've blown
Speaker 3: everybody out of the water. The only other team that
Speaker 3: has an even like remote argument for it is the
Speaker 3: Houston Astros, and they also like cheated the shit out
Speaker 3: of it for a couple of those years. So I
Speaker 3: don't think that for me, you would look at the
Speaker 3: past ten years and argue anybody else other than the
Speaker 3: Dodgers as the best team. And they've just now won
Speaker 3: quote unquote a real world series title, you know, And
Speaker 3: that's where it's like, I think that's a different definition.
Speaker 2: The problem with your side of it is though you're
Speaker 2: measuring everything equally, like a home run in the seventh
Speaker 2: inning back in April is not as meaningful as a
Speaker 2: home run in October. Like I believe in CPA, and
Speaker 2: I believe that baseball is a lot about timing. A
Speaker 2: lot of it is timing, and not all home runs,
Speaker 2: not all runs, not all runs given up are created equally, right.
Speaker 3: I don't disagree with that. And that's why the single
Speaker 3: highest CPA events are always in the playoffs, because that's
Speaker 3: closer to the winner go home stage. But that's different
Speaker 3: from saying they're the best players. Like David Freese in
Speaker 3: two thousand and whatever that was thirteen, wasn't the best player,
Speaker 3: He wasn't the best player on his team. He wasn't
Speaker 3: best player in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: But he wracked up the CPA.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're saying he's the best player of all time,
Speaker 3: like he's he's the greatest.
Speaker 2: I'm saying he was the best player at that time
Speaker 2: in that moment.
Speaker 3: I just don't think that that's actually true. Like he
Speaker 3: had one of the most So win probability is the
Speaker 3: It's the only thing that matters championship. Probability is the
Speaker 3: only thing that matters.
Speaker 2: Winning is all that matters, baby and right.
Speaker 3: But the way you win is with good players, Like
Speaker 3: that's That's what I'm saying, is that the definition of
Speaker 3: of what the best team is is having the best players,
Speaker 3: not who won the last game. And I think that
Speaker 3: the tournament is fun because of that uncertainty. That's a feature,
Speaker 3: not a bug. But it's not the same thing as
Speaker 3: they're the best team.
Speaker 2: Probability and reality are not the same things, right. I understand,
Speaker 2: you make the best calculated measurements, this will give you
Speaker 2: the best odds. But when it comes down to it,
Speaker 2: it's just who is the best at that time, in
Speaker 2: that moment, and the O five White Sox with the
Speaker 2: best team in the regular season and the postseason, and
Speaker 2: your cute little Mariners weren't that. So I'm sticking to
Speaker 2: my guns here, best team of our lifetime, just single season.
Speaker 3: Your your favorite team? That fine?
Speaker 2: Yeah it was lightning in a bottle, but I will
Speaker 2: argue that for it for days. But that's not They're
Speaker 2: not my team anymore, man, They're not. I got the
Speaker 2: five banner back there though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they they were, And that was like a
Speaker 3: formative thing for you. I get why that has stuck
Speaker 3: in there your bible.
Speaker 2: Never see it. We'll never see a starting pitching staff
Speaker 2: like that ever. Again.
Speaker 3: That mid have one good season?
Speaker 2: Whatever do? They destroyed it? But AnyWho, that guy, did
Speaker 2: you do your homework this week? Did you have any epiphanies,
Speaker 2: come to any realizations, feel a little apologetic for your
Speaker 2: stance last week at all? A little bit? Now you ap?
Speaker 2: Did you watch it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a huge nothing burger.
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Speaker 2: You'll come around eventually. I'll save you a seat on
Speaker 2: the ship. Don't worry, my friend, I got you. But
Speaker 2: what the hell are we doing? We're talking about We're
Speaker 2: doing the B side show here. We're talking about zero
Speaker 2: one that maybe not created yet on fan tracks prospects.
Speaker 2: This will be our fifth out of six installments, going
Speaker 2: division by division, The rook and I each pick a
Speaker 2: hitter and a pitcher from each organization that we think
Speaker 2: might pop up a little bit this year or gain
Speaker 2: some more dynasty utility. Sometimes we come to the same player,
Speaker 2: and that's always kind of fun and neat. But I
Speaker 2: think that's surmises it all right, right, Matt. Indeed it
Speaker 2: is so the Al East talk about it's like the
Speaker 2: prettiest of pretty boys visions, huh, spending lots of money,
Speaker 2: lots of fans wastemarter fans out here. But I thought
Speaker 2: this was a fun one, Matt. I think there's some
Speaker 2: of my favorite maybe my top arm in my top
Speaker 2: bat out of all the b sides, reside in this division.
Speaker 3: But I could see it. There's some good ones.
Speaker 2: Who do you want to start with? What team you
Speaker 2: want to start with?
Speaker 3: Start with the what I think is the least interesting,
Speaker 3: which is which is Tampa for me?
Speaker 2: Okay, I was going to say Red Sox for that, but.
Speaker 3: Alright, second least is a boss and for sure, but.
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay Ray's bats. Who you got? Who'd you land on?
Speaker 3: Well, you know it's worth giving us some props for
Speaker 3: our Tampa picks last year, because I thought those were
Speaker 3: pretty good. Chandler Simpson turned in an awesome year and
Speaker 3: stole one hundred some bases, struck out less than ten
Speaker 3: percent of the time, walked in an average amount of time,
Speaker 3: put up a one forty WRC plus and I think
Speaker 3: now is starting to get some love, although I think
Speaker 3: he's still under owned. When I looked it was like
Speaker 3: in your points leagues that penalize K's and especially in
Speaker 3: row leagues like as a as a speed option, he
Speaker 3: seems under own still. But that was a good one.
Speaker 3: I was really hoping that because the Rays are such
Speaker 3: a deep smart system, that they were going to have
Speaker 3: some of these underappreciated guys.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: One thing they did is they acquired a bunch of
Speaker 3: guys that we've talked about from other systems that we
Speaker 3: thought were pretty interesting, and Matt Korvath, Matthew Etzel. I
Speaker 3: don't know how many other guys that they got, but
Speaker 3: quite a few, but all of them have a little
Speaker 3: bit of popularity, whether because like it's that the old
Speaker 3: Sam Miller tweet, I love this trade for the Rays.
Speaker 3: Who they get, who they give up, and people just
Speaker 3: assume that the Rays know what they're doing. But I
Speaker 3: was really struggling to find some good options at those
Speaker 3: zero and one percent range, especially on the back side.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 3: I looked at a couple of different dudes that were
Speaker 3: on the younger side, but couldn't wrap my head around
Speaker 3: their foremance like guys that were decent Narcisso Polanco was
Speaker 3: a guy that I looked at as like, he's kind
Speaker 3: of young, he's been okay, has some traits that I like,
Speaker 3: but he was still kind of average as a nineteen
Speaker 3: year old and in low A, And I don't even
Speaker 3: feel that much better about the guy that I landed on,
Speaker 3: which is on hell Mateo Mateo, like super similar in
Speaker 3: lots of ways. His line is almost identical to Polanco's.
Speaker 3: He went to twenty four three, twenty three, three forty four,
Speaker 3: and he spent the whole year at a ball, so
Speaker 3: that was all low A as a nineteen year old.
Speaker 3: He also struck out twenty five percent of the time,
Speaker 3: which is like kind of high, especially for what I
Speaker 3: like to look for. He did walk a decent amount,
Speaker 3: swiped twenty six bags, popped six homers, but he also
Speaker 3: didn't hit a homer for like the last two months
Speaker 3: of the season, which was a little concerning about is
Speaker 3: there something wrong here? Is the power just really not there?
Speaker 3: When I watched him earlier in the year, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: this is sort of an interesting teenager. Maybe he's going
Speaker 3: to get to ten homers. And there's a little more
Speaker 3: projection left on the bone and it might just take
Speaker 3: a little time for him to get there. You know,
Speaker 3: he's six ' one, reasonably well built. I like some
Speaker 3: things about his swing, although it seemed like he got
Speaker 3: eaten up sliders away and so that wasn't that was
Speaker 3: a little bit discouraging to me. It's more that he's
Speaker 3: young enough, has shown enough potential that I'm like, and
Speaker 3: I didn't see anybody else that I wanted to bet
Speaker 3: on more. So I'm going with Matteo here. Don't feel
Speaker 3: great about it. I mean, he's again young, has some talent,
Speaker 3: and we'll see what he does at Bowling Green next year.
Speaker 3: But there's definitely some flaws here and it wasn't super exciting.
Speaker 2: Olivia going like a little of my default here, just
Speaker 2: like pick a teenager and a ball. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I don't think I had that before, have you.
Speaker 3: I'm not really And I looked at a couple of
Speaker 3: their older guys to see, you know, like Seymour was
Speaker 3: Bob Seymour was one that I think was like at
Speaker 3: one percent, and I thought maybe he was going to
Speaker 3: get looked at in the rule five. But I was like,
Speaker 3: no the for him, at least the upside didn't seem there.
Speaker 3: Like he seemed like a blow average bat, but like
Speaker 3: high probability and as a corner guy, probably not going
Speaker 3: to play.
Speaker 2: So I think Mateo and Polanco, those were two of
Speaker 2: my last three finalists here, so we weren't too far off.
Speaker 2: But I ended up going the first year player route.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, we're not We're talking in pretty small sample size.
Speaker 2: This is not a player that I was familiar with
Speaker 2: as an amateur, but I'm going I'm not really totally
Speaker 2: sure how to say his name, Matt, but Connor huge
Speaker 2: sack huge, huge, which really cool, but Connor huge, huge, sick,
Speaker 2: I think, because how I heard them say it, But
Speaker 2: it's h u J sak all right, he's an outfielder.
Speaker 2: How would you say that name?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you sick?
Speaker 2: I think. He started off his college career at VCU
Speaker 2: and then transferred to Mississippi State the last two seasons.
Speaker 2: The Rays popped him in the thirteenth round four one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty K listened at six ' two, good
Speaker 2: sized fella, and shared the video with you there. I
Speaker 2: was just kind of impressed with his ability to he
Speaker 2: hit some home runs to all fields. I like to
Speaker 2: look at the swings of all of those just twenty
Speaker 2: one games played appearances, he hit four home runs, he
Speaker 2: swiped five bags. I don't really know if stolen bases
Speaker 2: are gonna be a big part of his future. Of
Speaker 2: this is just you know, a little wiser baseball player
Speaker 2: taking advantage of some A ball guys didn't get caught.
Speaker 2: Walked seven percent of the time, struck out twenty four
Speaker 2: percent of the time. But you know, decent little debut
Speaker 2: here to seventy seven three, twenty six, five, eighteen. I
Speaker 2: know I caught. I'm not even maybe the BA guys.
Speaker 2: Last couple of weeks I've been listening to their draft
Speaker 2: class review podcasts, and I think they noted that there
Speaker 2: was a couple of evs by him over one hundred
Speaker 2: and ten during his pro debut. So yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 2: just kind of caught a guy. But I kind of
Speaker 2: liked the look of his fairly, you know, simple looking
Speaker 2: stroke up there. He's got a little bit of a
Speaker 2: I don't know, how do you say it, a little
Speaker 2: bit of like a rounded out step, but it's not
Speaker 2: real big and everything like that. Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 2: and now his home runs. What I say he popped
Speaker 2: four of them, three of them were in one game.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so you know it was just a concentrated
Speaker 2: couple of days of the home run output. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know a guy who was playing some center
Speaker 2: field as well. That guy maybe doesn't really look like
Speaker 2: a center fielder if you're just being superficial about it.
Speaker 2: But Connor huge Sack, huge sick, I mean eighty grade
Speaker 2: name and I'll throw them out there as my rais
Speaker 2: B side this year? Solid solid?
Speaker 3: Did he end up only a little bit? I caught
Speaker 3: a couple of his games late in the season, but
Speaker 3: I can't say he stood out when I was just
Speaker 3: scrolling through guys.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if I mentioned he's right handed,
Speaker 2: I'll share videos. I got videos of his home runs
Speaker 2: here on Twitter at Pitching Specs. Check that out if
Speaker 2: you if you want to take a look at what
Speaker 2: we're trying to talk about.
Speaker 3: Here, Yeah, who did you go for for your arm?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm kind of into my arm here quite a bit.
Speaker 2: But let's let's look at their system here real quick, Matt.
Speaker 2: The pretty boys. There's kind of a lot of pretty
Speaker 2: boys in this system. Yell at me if somebody got
Speaker 2: traded here recently. But Dylan LESCo thirty one percent, Santiago
Speaker 2: Suarez fourteen percent, Carut twelve percent, Ty Johnson ten, Gary
Speaker 2: Gil hill Am I picked from last year, ten, pul
Speaker 2: Wilcox ten, Ian Seymour ten, Jackson Baumeister, ten, Brody Hopkins eight.
Speaker 2: Nick Bitsko is he even like a professional baseball player anymore?
Speaker 2: I have no idea.
Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, seven percent, tre j Goss three percent, Trevor Martin,
Speaker 2: Joe Rock three percent, Trevor Harrison two percent, and I
Speaker 2: think Owen Wild I don't know. I have two to
Speaker 2: one percent here, so I don't know. Oh, he was
Speaker 2: two percent of the beginning of September, one percent at the end.
Speaker 2: But you know that's a that's a healthy slew of somewhat,
Speaker 2: you know, having some dynasty love out there. But I'm
Speaker 2: going with another teenager, Matt eighteen year old and a
Speaker 2: ball Jose Orbina. Are you familiar.
Speaker 3: I saw a little bit of him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I had to hit up Clegg today.
Speaker 3: Little guy right like smaller, smaller frame.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. He was one percent roster, And
Speaker 2: so there's some folks on there. I think he was
Speaker 2: twenty ninth on Pipeline's list the last time I checked.
Speaker 2: He was eighteen point eight years old last his last start,
Speaker 2: but he's listed at six three. Maybe maybe that's a
Speaker 2: little bit generous, but I know that the story is
Speaker 2: with her being that he You know, they signed what
Speaker 2: he signed in twenty twenty three, so not that long ago.
Speaker 2: After he signed, there was like a big growth spurt here,
Speaker 2: so got much taller and the velocity is like really
Speaker 2: ticked up. Venezuelan. He was signed for just two hundred
Speaker 2: and ten K. Last year, he pitched forty eight complex
Speaker 2: innings and then just seventeen a ball innings, four appearances,
Speaker 2: four starts eer A five twenty nine but a whip
Speaker 2: of one point zero six in a ball here four
Speaker 2: two two x fip struck out just eighteen point two percent,
Speaker 2: walked six point one percent, which was nice because in
Speaker 2: a complex it was at twelve percent. Now, granted, again
Speaker 2: this is very small sample size, but I did not
Speaker 2: mind his execution. Now granted, I think his attack was
Speaker 2: fairly simple, and my watches it was a good fastball
Speaker 2: and slider. I think he was just kind of generically
Speaker 2: throwing up in the zone for strikes, but doing that
Speaker 2: consistently and doing that well. I kind of wonder I'd
Speaker 2: love to hear about his slider shape a little bit
Speaker 2: because I wonder if it's one that kind of gets
Speaker 2: some ride, like erkulanis that we were like kind of
Speaker 2: talking about. Yeah, but just playing his ninety five ninety
Speaker 2: six mile per hour fastball within that firm mid mid
Speaker 2: eighties slider just up in the zone was just really
Speaker 2: kind of dominating these guys. He did throw in what
Speaker 2: I thought was a pretty good looking curveball sometimes and
Speaker 2: then there was a change up. I think the change
Speaker 2: up is very much a developmental pitch at this time.
Speaker 2: I think the ones that I caught there was like
Speaker 2: they were executed so poorly. You couldn't even like look
Speaker 2: at this shape, like it was just like hitting the
Speaker 2: dirt or something, you know what I mean. So I
Speaker 2: think that's very much a work in progress. Yeah, yeah, four,
Speaker 2: start saying at a ball. He went four and three of
Speaker 2: them five and one. You know, it didn't get really
Speaker 2: hit up too much. There was one one out he
Speaker 2: gave up five to turns, but he earned. But he
Speaker 2: didn't walk more than two in an outing, struck out three, two, two,
Speaker 2: and five. And now he did give up some home runs.
Speaker 2: I know a couple of those were just and he
Speaker 2: was just trying to get some fastballs up in the
Speaker 2: zone and he just got him over the meat of
Speaker 2: the plate. But you can see the operation, like the
Speaker 2: video that I shared, it's, I mean, it's fairly easy
Speaker 2: ninety six I think.
Speaker 3: Is it a good ninety six though? I mean like
Speaker 3: he's in low A against a bunch of bitty teenagers
Speaker 3: and he pushed up twenty percent of guys, Like, what's
Speaker 3: what's up with that?
Speaker 2: I think in part was the sequence of pitching pitches, like,
Speaker 2: oh there was a hit a ble ninety six over
Speaker 2: the heart of the plate here and they got some
Speaker 2: wood on it. You know, it's very much just it's
Speaker 2: this is very much eyeballs to me, not really so much.
Speaker 2: Numbers is very minuscule sample size, right, but what was
Speaker 2: his k rate in the complex? Twenty one point seven percent,
Speaker 2: so not much higher. But I mean, if you wanted to,
Speaker 2: if we rewind a year ago, like watching Gary gil
Speaker 2: Hill like way more excited about her being and stuff
Speaker 2: than Gary gil Hill's at that time. And we know
Speaker 2: we know that the rays will sharpen a you know,
Speaker 2: a lot of times I think they like to focus
Speaker 2: on on one weapon there, guys, and really get the
Speaker 2: most out of that one pitch that they can. But
Speaker 2: I don't know an eighteen year old ball of clay
Speaker 2: here in this system that I I think could very
Speaker 2: well pop up this year. Jose Rbina, It's.
Speaker 3: An interesting one, you know. Like I said, I think
Speaker 3: there's some he's got some potential in there. I'm curious
Speaker 3: why the results haven't been there. I'm going again more
Speaker 3: towards my pensiont I'm going older and to the near,
Speaker 3: to the big arms here, I'm picking Logan Workman. I
Speaker 3: think I might have taken Wild if i'd known he
Speaker 3: was at one percent, because when I looked, I thought
Speaker 3: it was like three or four. So I might slightly
Speaker 3: prefer Wild in a vacuum, just a little bit younger,
Speaker 3: and I think might have a little touch, more touch,
Speaker 3: more upside in the long run. I thought he was
Speaker 3: really good, and we talked a bit about him coming
Speaker 3: out of the draft last year, so don't need to
Speaker 3: belabor that. But among the really interesting arms, you listed
Speaker 3: off a bunch of them, you know, Ian Seymour had
Speaker 3: a phenomenal triple A run at that ended in Triple
Speaker 3: A this year. Yaniel Corrett, he was awesome too. Oh
Speaker 3: and Wild. I thought was a good get from the
Speaker 3: O's this year. Hi Johnson, Brody Hopkins also in trade.
Speaker 3: Like they had a lot of good pitchers that had
Speaker 3: really good seasons too, but Workmen stood out for me
Speaker 3: as in this B side range, I think he was
Speaker 3: either zero or one percent when I looked. He's spent
Speaker 3: a lot of the year in TRIPA, so we got
Speaker 3: to see a lot of data on him, and so
Speaker 3: it was really fun digging into what he had there.
Speaker 3: His fastballs ninety to ninety five, but it actually plays
Speaker 3: better than that, I think, And I actually think he
Speaker 3: got a little unlucky in his results this year based
Speaker 3: on some of the pitch shapes and the amount of
Speaker 3: swinging strikes that he was getting. He really commanded that
Speaker 3: fastball well and so even though he's like averaging it
Speaker 3: in ninety two to ninety three, I think that's playing
Speaker 3: up pretty consistently. He's also got a change up that
Speaker 3: he goes to and throws quite a lot, and I
Speaker 3: thought was quite a good pitch. I think he liked
Speaker 3: it his second most after his fastball, and then he
Speaker 3: also was a slider and cutter, but those blended a
Speaker 3: little bit. For me, I thought they could get a
Speaker 3: little bit close to each other, and with you know,
Speaker 3: a little bit sharper execution, he might separate those a
Speaker 3: bit more. Especially on the slider. I thought that sometimes
Speaker 3: he would lose the action, so rather than getting that
Speaker 3: good sharp sweeping bite that it would float, he would
Speaker 3: kind of get under it, and I think he let
Speaker 3: that get hit sometimes. Did also like watching him start
Speaker 3: to start, especially in Tirpla with the stack cast data,
Speaker 3: you could see him adjust his approach and his pitch
Speaker 3: mix from start to start. Whereas a lot of guys
Speaker 3: you throw them on enough and you're like they're going
Speaker 3: to be fifty percent fastballs, twenty five percent sliders, ten
Speaker 3: percent curveballs, and ten percent change ups. Workman start to
Speaker 3: start he would change how he was attacking hitters and
Speaker 3: how he was attacking lineups. He didn't get picked in
Speaker 3: the Rule five, and he was eligible this year. I
Speaker 3: thought he had an outside chance to and I think
Speaker 3: he popped up on ba's Rule five draft prep list
Speaker 3: that they thought he might get a look from a
Speaker 3: team that wanted a depth starter. I think that there's
Speaker 3: not a ton of upside here. He looks like a
Speaker 3: high probability back end started to me. But it looks
Speaker 3: good enough that I think he's going to get that shot.
Speaker 3: And whether that ends up being with Tampa or he
Speaker 3: ends up somewhere else in trade or in free agency,
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. But Logan Workman for me, was my
Speaker 3: favorite of the one percent arms here, and I do
Speaker 3: think there's a lot to like about his pitch mix
Speaker 3: and his approach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was kind of surprised to see that he
Speaker 2: was zero percent rostered in September, because I know what
Speaker 2: would that be the twenty twenty three AFL season he was,
Speaker 2: there was some buzz and some talk about Logan Workmen,
Speaker 2: so I guess folks just didn't hang on to that
Speaker 2: through the year. Yeah, Matt, just one more thing I
Speaker 2: wanted to say about Urbina, Like, you know, you watch,
Speaker 2: like I mentioned last week, starting to think more about Like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I watched these young international teenage prospects, right pitching prospects,
Speaker 2: and you can kind of watch them side by side
Speaker 2: with some first round prep arms that could taken and
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, this Urbina's like just seems so much
Speaker 2: better to me than some first round prep arms that
Speaker 2: have been taken lately, So I don't know for whatever
Speaker 2: that's worth. I was just kind of thinking about that.
Speaker 2: I was like, man, this guy would probably be like
Speaker 2: a first second round pick if that's how it had
Speaker 2: to be. But what do I know about that stuff?
Speaker 2: All right? The Boston Red Sox, their most popular arms
Speaker 2: are Dick Fitz thirteen percent, well, Wickleman Gonzalez just got traded,
Speaker 2: so he was at ten percent, where Donnie Manegro ten percent,
Speaker 2: Luis Paralis eight percent, David Sanlin also just got traded
Speaker 2: six percent, Jetkson Payez three percent, your boy from last year,
Speaker 2: Isaac Coffee three percent, and then Elmer Rodriguez Cruz he
Speaker 2: also got traded at two percent. Everybody else was zero
Speaker 2: one percent here, And I will admit that my guy
Speaker 2: might be number thirty on my thirty B side arms
Speaker 2: I had if I had to line them all up,
Speaker 2: I did not come away. I don't know, I'm super
Speaker 2: excited about anybody here at this roster percentage. Maybe it
Speaker 2: would have been wiser to go with a first year
Speaker 2: player draft arm, but they didn't really have many debut
Speaker 2: I don't think, and it's always kind of t you
Speaker 2: to know what their actual roster percentages are going to
Speaker 2: be after drafts and stuff.
Speaker 3: But I could have could have gone Joey Gartreel based
Speaker 3: on my live looks University of Portland guy.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. I've just never seen him pitch.
Speaker 3: Also, I've also I've also heard good things about Peyton Tully.
Speaker 3: His one looks interesting.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he's the one who's got like the like
Speaker 2: twenty foot extension rights. Yeah, have seven point three feet
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 3: Picked coffee last year because he was super unusual performer.
Speaker 3: The stuff is like eighty nine and tops out at
Speaker 3: like ninety one. But I still think that that's going
Speaker 3: to play because of how weird his arm angle and
Speaker 3: approach to the plate is. I do love to start
Speaker 3: with the data and what is the data telling us?
Speaker 3: And dude punched out thirty percent of batters in double A,
Speaker 3: So I still think that he's flummoxing hitters and is
Speaker 3: going to keep doing it. But you know, we'll see
Speaker 3: how that how that ends up as he climbs the ranks,
Speaker 3: and I'm super curious to see how that goes apparently
Speaker 3: nobody is buying it, but keeps putting up numbers. So
Speaker 3: we'll see. Looked at a couple of other guys that
Speaker 3: I think we've talked about before. Hunter Dobbins. He's one
Speaker 3: that we looked at last year, and I think some
Speaker 3: people still like I'm just not I couldn't ever get
Speaker 3: myself that excited about it. It seems he was so
Speaker 3: much better this year than he was better, but it
Speaker 3: still just looks so back endy to me, like seventh starter.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's good enough.
Speaker 2: I don't know. But do a lot of men look
Speaker 2: back indy too?
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of pictures too. You know, I was
Speaker 3: really excited about the guy that I ended up landing on,
Speaker 3: though I'm going with Connolly early. You watch much of
Speaker 3: early this year.
Speaker 2: I did watch some earlies on my sheet here, but
Speaker 2: tell me about him because didn't spark my interest for
Speaker 2: whatever reason. But what am I missing?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So he's another guy that I think the Velocity readings
Speaker 3: are are kind of lying to us or tricking us,
Speaker 3: or setting us on the wrong course. I don't know
Speaker 3: if we talked about this a while ago, and I
Speaker 3: can't remember what who who said this?
Speaker 2: Either.
Speaker 3: So this is already a terrible start to the story.
Speaker 3: But somebody said that they think that pitching development would
Speaker 3: have been much improved if we didn't get the radar
Speaker 3: gun first, right. The radar gun was the first concrete
Speaker 3: number that we could attach to pictures in picture evaluation.
Speaker 3: You know what. With hitters, it was like, I.
Speaker 2: Love that world. I think that sounds like a great world.
Speaker 3: With hitters, it was like how far could they hit
Speaker 3: the ball? How fast could they run? We could measure
Speaker 3: both of those things, but we couldn't really measure how
Speaker 3: hard pitchers were throwing and how effective the pitches were
Speaker 3: with numbers. We could do it with our eyes and
Speaker 3: with the scouting reports. But once we got the radar gun,
Speaker 3: that really like anchored people's opinions. And I think we
Speaker 3: see that's true of guys like Isaac Coffee, and I
Speaker 3: think it is true of lots of guys who like,
Speaker 3: they flashed ninety nine on the gun and they're like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's Carlos le Grange is really good, hemer Lalani is
Speaker 3: really good. Well, they can actually get guys out out,
Speaker 3: but you know they're they're really good because they can
Speaker 3: throw hard conn only early to me, it is a
Speaker 3: good example of this. I think he sits in the
Speaker 3: low nineties. It's like ninety one average. Maybe he's a lefty, athletic,
Speaker 3: kind of six y three, prototypical pitcher looking guy, you know,
Speaker 3: off the bus kind of thing. You watch him, and
Speaker 3: if you don't, if you're not looking at the velocity,
Speaker 3: you're like, none of these fucking guys can hit this fastball.
Speaker 3: He just keeps throwing it in the middle of the plate.
Speaker 3: And sure a lot of this was at High A
Speaker 3: and Double A. He was about two thirds at High
Speaker 3: A this year and a third at Double A this year.
Speaker 3: But he just kept throwing this low nineties fastball that
Speaker 3: if you're not kind of looking closely, you'd be like, oh,
Speaker 3: this isn't that interesting, And yet he kept punching people
Speaker 3: out with it. I think that the arm angle and
Speaker 3: extension make it play up. I think I saw some
Speaker 3: note maybe from the BA guys that it's not an
Speaker 3: IVB monster or anything. It's not like a super spinny
Speaker 3: low a super spinny pitch. But because the angle is
Speaker 3: maybe a little lower then you would expect, it doesn't
Speaker 3: need to have great iv B to look really different.
Speaker 3: And that pitch plays like it is really really good,
Speaker 3: and he also has good command. We're not just talking
Speaker 3: about a thrower up there. He's especially of his fastball.
Speaker 3: I thought he commanded that exceptionally well in my looks,
Speaker 3: and you know, he rounds it out with a couple
Speaker 3: of different breaking balls. His slider in particular looked pretty good.
Speaker 3: I wonder if he has kind of two like a
Speaker 3: sweepery one and a more curve gyro kind of slider,
Speaker 3: because it looked like he could go a couple of
Speaker 3: different directions with it. A change up as well, that
Speaker 3: really good. Like he got a ton of ground balls
Speaker 3: with that thing, especially later in the year, it looked
Speaker 3: like he was using it more to like people would
Speaker 3: be kind of like, oh, I'm sitting on this fastball
Speaker 3: that for some reason can't touch, and then he would
Speaker 3: throw a change up and get a softly hit ground
Speaker 3: ball to the left side, easy out. He's really good.
Speaker 3: He was a fifth rounder out of Virginia, so Uva
Speaker 3: like big baseball school, but wasn't great there. I think
Speaker 3: was seen as like kind of a back end developmental project.
Speaker 3: I don't know whether some of this is the pitch
Speaker 3: shapes development that the red Sox did this year with
Speaker 3: Reslo and the new regime, but early to me looked
Speaker 3: absolutely phenomenal, and he was doing it with ease. At
Speaker 3: Double A. He gave up one home run in thirty
Speaker 3: six innings at Double A, six in sixty seven at
Speaker 3: High A. Man was sixteen point four percent swinging strike
Speaker 3: rate at Double A, fifteen point seven at High A.
Speaker 3: He's punching out thirty point seven percent of batters on
Speaker 3: the year with an average league average walk rate. You know,
Speaker 3: he's among the best K minus BB guys in the
Speaker 3: miners this year, and he was doing it at the
Speaker 3: mid to uppers for a pretty unherlded guy. You know, again,
Speaker 3: I think he was zero percent owned. He was percent Yeah,
Speaker 3: I had one percent here too. And you know how
Speaker 3: I mentioned how excited I was about Chad Patrick last week,
Speaker 3: how the sharpest guy in my favorite league is a
Speaker 3: buddy of mine. He's got Chad Patrick. Of course, when
Speaker 3: I was looking and doing my research on this at
Speaker 3: the end of the season, who has Connolly Early, same
Speaker 3: freaking guy.
Speaker 2: So we get that guy on the pod man.
Speaker 3: We should? We should. He'd be a fun one to
Speaker 3: come on. He's super sharp and his his his talent
Speaker 3: evaluation skills are really really good. I think Early is
Speaker 3: being massively slept on and I don't know, there's there's
Speaker 3: a couple of other arms that I'm really really excited
Speaker 3: about from this crew, but he's up there. I mean,
Speaker 3: this is I am as excited about Early on my
Speaker 3: B side arms as I am about really anybody else
Speaker 3: like he's. He is up there.
Speaker 2: Interesting. Do you know Clegg's pretty tapped in, tuned into
Speaker 2: the red sox system and recently wrote them up. Do
Speaker 2: you know if he was on Clegg's list or if
Speaker 2: Clegg had anything any four one one on him?
Speaker 3: No idea, no idea. I haven't looked at his ass lists.
Speaker 2: Right well, I am not nearly as excited for mine,
Speaker 2: and this will be the last time tonight, but I
Speaker 2: am going with another teenager. I'm gonna go with young
Speaker 2: Juan Valera percent rostered. Like I said before, this is
Speaker 2: if I had to line them all up, this probably
Speaker 2: number thirty on my list. But I don't think it's
Speaker 2: because of lack of talent or lack of something interesting,
Speaker 2: or lack of a way that it could work and
Speaker 2: go well. I think all thirty of my guys have
Speaker 2: that he's listed at sixty three. He was a twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three international free agent out of the Dominican time
Speaker 2: for forty five thousand, forty and a third innings in
Speaker 2: the complex this last season, twenty three innings over seven
Speaker 2: starts able at Greenville two point three five era A
Speaker 2: one whip A three point four to eight x fIF
Speaker 2: a thirty one point one K percentage to a fifteen
Speaker 2: point six percent walk percentage ouch, but in the Complex
Speaker 2: it was nine percent, so not nearly as bad, but
Speaker 2: again small samples. At Greenville, hitters hit one eighteen against them,
Speaker 2: got a good amount of ground balls fifty nine percent
Speaker 2: according to fangrafs, the swing strike rate of fifteen point
Speaker 2: seven percent, So like other than the walk rate, there
Speaker 2: are some pretty nice numbers in his little uh full
Speaker 2: season debut. But I will say, unlike Orbina or several
Speaker 2: others that I mentioned, the numbers were a lot prettier
Speaker 2: than the video looks to me. But this is arm talent, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a guy who can get up
Speaker 2: there ninety five. There's something that he's throwing at ninety
Speaker 2: there's a breaking ball. Mean yeah, Like the video starts
Speaker 2: off with like a backed up slider. I think that
Speaker 2: happened quite a bit. There's a fastball not I hit
Speaker 2: ninety seven, like a lot of pitchers in their system.
Speaker 2: There's a splitter being worked one right. There's a curveball,
Speaker 2: a firmer curveball at like eighty six, but maybe they
Speaker 2: call it a slider. I don't know, a breaking ball,
Speaker 2: what have you. My looks with him is like he
Speaker 2: could very much look the part for like a batter
Speaker 2: or half a batter, but like then the non competitive
Speaker 2: pitches would just come out, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like it was just way way too much for me
Speaker 2: to get like two two into him. But again we're
Speaker 2: talking about an eighteen year old ball clay here. Plenty
Speaker 2: of arm talent, not anyone that I want to rush
Speaker 2: out and roster or draft or anything like that, but
Speaker 2: definitely one that I will keep an eye on. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I could see a guy that talented getting it together
Speaker 2: a little bit and having some more success and getting
Speaker 2: more polished. I do have to say the Red Sox
Speaker 2: system the last several years kind of like b side
Speaker 2: in front arm. I haven't really loved a lot of guys,
Speaker 2: but they have they have had I feel like just
Speaker 2: just young teenagers in the lowers with a lot of
Speaker 2: arm talent, and they got those guys cleaned up and
Speaker 2: executing way better than I ever would have bet on
Speaker 2: guys like Juan Daniel and Canarcion guy today who got
Speaker 2: drafted in the five draft on hell Bastardo, Like, I
Speaker 2: think they were way more feral looking. Maybe they were
Speaker 2: a little bit older, but during their like A ball debuts.
Speaker 2: So you know, I think there's some cleaning up that
Speaker 2: the Red Sox do with some guys. So I don't
Speaker 2: think that I'm gonna worry too much about his walk
Speaker 2: percentage and non competitive pitches at this juncture.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that might be a good beat. And they've got
Speaker 3: quite a few guys that have that kind of talent
Speaker 3: and ceiling and if they can just harness the wax,
Speaker 3: I meane Mullins, is that guy, your guy from last
Speaker 3: year and he did, you know, kept punching people out
Speaker 3: this year and was okay with the walks still a
Speaker 3: little bit higher than you'd like to see.
Speaker 2: But my hope with him is, like we're still talking
Speaker 2: about a guy who has not pitched very much over
Speaker 2: the last several years, so maybe maybe that can bring
Speaker 2: some hope. Maybe that's just a fool stream, but yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, the Bats, Red Sox Bats. I didn't come
Speaker 2: up with someone I love a ton, but I am
Speaker 2: gonna go with young Nelly Taylor. Not probably like my
Speaker 2: kind of bet here, but I think there's some things
Speaker 2: to like and hope on. He was twenty one last year.
Speaker 2: Played center field, lefty. Listed at six foot. He was
Speaker 2: an eleventh round pick in twenty twenty three out of
Speaker 2: Junior College in Florida. One hundred and one games in
Speaker 2: A ball, ten games in High A this season. Strikeouts
Speaker 2: probably the swing and miss stuff probably the biggest, you know,
Speaker 2: wart Here twenty five point one percent on the season.
Speaker 2: It was thirty one point seven percent in his short
Speaker 2: High A stint on the year. Nothing too remarkable on
Speaker 2: the surface, numbers two thirty three, three thirty seven, three
Speaker 2: seventy six slash. But even though he struck out more,
Speaker 2: that slash plan was much more attractive in his small
Speaker 2: high sample size two eighty nine, three forty one, five
Speaker 2: point fifty three eight home runs on the season, stole
Speaker 2: thirty three bases on the season. But I think ultimately
Speaker 2: matt Here is like an athletic guy a strong guy,
Speaker 2: maybe just a little b side hope on a power
Speaker 2: speed Brett And I know that I'm not the only
Speaker 2: stand I think Maddy Backpack is is a Nelly Taylor
Speaker 2: hopeful too, but real strong, powerful lower half. I think
Speaker 2: he uses it well in his swing, and I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe he was coming into his own just a little
Speaker 2: bit down the stretch here. Not anyone I'm rostering, not
Speaker 2: anyone I am drafting, but somebody that I got my
Speaker 2: eye on, and if it goes well, I think it
Speaker 2: go really well.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I thought similarly of Taylor. He was one of
Speaker 3: the couple that I was looking at as well. I
Speaker 3: didn't love any of the options at the low roster
Speaker 3: percentages here for Boston. I think when Boston's guys blow up,
Speaker 3: they're either really really good or they get pretty quickly. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but yeah, No, Taylor's a decent shout. I'm going to
Speaker 3: Andy Lugo for a lot of the same reasons. He's
Speaker 3: you know, a level below Nellie Taylor and similarly has
Speaker 3: decent speed, decent athlete. I'm not sure he has a
Speaker 3: defensive home. You know, they played him all over the
Speaker 3: place already, and he's pretty young and He's played left field,
Speaker 3: third base, right field, first base, and I don't know
Speaker 3: if he's that good, and I think he's even played
Speaker 3: some second I just don't know if he's good at
Speaker 3: any of them. I watched a little bit of his
Speaker 3: decent defense, but not enough to make a real strong
Speaker 3: case one way or the other. But given he's had
Speaker 3: a penchant for errors, I tend to think that this
Speaker 3: is kind of like they're trying to find him a home.
Speaker 3: Is one of those guys that kind of looks better
Speaker 3: than his statistical performance. I think, like you watch him swing, he's,
Speaker 3: you know, six ' two or so, kind of lean.
Speaker 3: You think maybe there's some projection there. He's still just
Speaker 3: twenty he'll be twenty one next year and likely and
Speaker 3: Hi A, I think that's kind of a it'll be
Speaker 3: a real statement ear for Lugo. If he starts to
Speaker 3: hit for a little more power and keeps running like
Speaker 3: he does, that could be a really interesting bat here.
Speaker 3: It's pretty aggressive as a hitter, and I think that
Speaker 3: gets into troublesometimes. But he did hit a decent number
Speaker 3: of doubles, so I think maybe there's a little bit
Speaker 3: more power than the three homers and four hundred plate
Speaker 3: appearances would suggest, but his line of two sixty three,
Speaker 3: three thirty seven, three seventy one has nothing to write
Speaker 3: home about. And like you, I'm not brushing out to
Speaker 3: roster him. It's more like, let me put a pin
Speaker 3: in this guy and watch him early next year to
Speaker 3: see if he's put on a little bit more game
Speaker 3: power and maybe maybe there's something here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, well, red Socks are gaining the reputation
Speaker 2: of being the bat speed folks up in everyone's bat speed.
Speaker 3: So I don't know, Yeah, maybe maybe he can do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they've done that with some guys, But
Speaker 2: that that wraps up the Red Sox, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they or the or the Rays I think were
Speaker 3: the least interesting. I think all of the next guys
Speaker 3: that we're going to talk about are are fascinating in
Speaker 3: one way or another.
Speaker 2: I agree, let's do the Orioles.
Speaker 3: Matte nasty with it. These are I think we'll we'll
Speaker 3: talk about it. But there there are so many fun
Speaker 3: places to go in the Oriole system.
Speaker 2: I think, so let's start on the arm side. You
Speaker 2: look at their roster percentages, like they are so unpopular
Speaker 2: of an arm system, do not understand that no, Chase
Speaker 2: McDermott twenty four percent, and then nobody was above three
Speaker 2: percent in September in their system. Prospect wise, Louis staleone
Speaker 2: trace Bright were three percent, Michael Ferrett two percent, Patrick
Speaker 2: Riiley two percent, pe For Morphy two percent, Brandon Young
Speaker 2: two percent. Do one. Nunez get popped today in the
Speaker 2: real five draft. I thought he did. He was one percent.
Speaker 2: Alex fam Is one was one percent. The guy I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go with was at zero percent in September, and
Speaker 2: it's ludicrous. I'm going with Nestor German nice who might
Speaker 2: be my number one arm might be my number one
Speaker 2: pick when we draft, might be my my pick. Now,
Speaker 2: obviously this is a long shot bet. But if someone's
Speaker 2: gonna Christian Scott or Zebbie Matthews this year, Meser Germans
Speaker 2: my pick, I don't know what kind of odds you
Speaker 2: might give me on that sort of bet, but I
Speaker 2: might take. I don't know if you've watched a lot
Speaker 2: of German, which I wanted to say, I wanted to
Speaker 2: say Herman, but they were pronouncing that German. But he's
Speaker 2: from up by kind of your neck of the woods.
Speaker 2: He went to the University of Sattle. You or Seattle you. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, maybe he was. Maybe he was one percent
Speaker 2: rostered in September. My apologies, Matt, Well he was. He
Speaker 2: was zero percent in the beginning of September, one percent
Speaker 2: at the end of September. And I know that he's
Speaker 2: only rostered in one of my leagues when he was
Speaker 2: twenty two and a half years old. His last start,
Speaker 2: he's listed at six three. He's a righty eleventh round
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three pick out of Seattle. He spent twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four throwing forty eight and a third innings in
Speaker 2: a ball and then twenty five and a third innings
Speaker 2: in high A. Now watching pictures. I don't know if
Speaker 2: this plays into some of the lack of popularity, but
Speaker 2: watching pictures in this system and the lowers is a
Speaker 2: little tough. There's not like great broadcasts to do it,
Speaker 2: at least their home broadcasts. So that was a little
Speaker 2: bit of a trick watching German, but it did not
Speaker 2: deter me from coming away with some pretty high opinions.
Speaker 2: I think German is a poster child of sorts for
Speaker 2: draft a good pitcher and hope that the stuff gets
Speaker 2: better because the stuff over the course of the season
Speaker 2: got way better. They added velocity, life throws, a good
Speaker 2: firm slider, like, all of it got better. His season
Speaker 2: nine seventy three and two thirds one five nine ERA
Speaker 2: a point nine to four whip a two point sixty
Speaker 2: three x FIP, thirty one point four K percentage of
Speaker 2: five point nine walk percentage. That's not too shabby, Matt.
Speaker 2: The very very good hitters hit one ninety three against him,
Speaker 2: ground ball percentage of almost fifty percent, didn't give up
Speaker 2: a lot of home runs through strikes at a sixty
Speaker 2: five percent clip. Now, maybe another part is, you know
Speaker 2: he's piggybacking. Was piggybacking? You know they do that in
Speaker 2: that system. They have a lot of guys they want
Speaker 2: to get innings too. After he moved up to Hi A,
Speaker 2: he didn't technically start any game in High A, but
Speaker 2: he did go three four and two thirds four three
Speaker 2: and two thirds, four and four innings pitched in those
Speaker 2: one two three what outings? I think the fastball is
Speaker 2: probably like I don't know, ninety five ninety six. It
Speaker 2: was really good from sledder. Like I mentioned, there's a
Speaker 2: curve ball as well that I think looks pretty nasty.
Speaker 2: I don't know if the change up. The change up
Speaker 2: might be his least developed offering.
Speaker 3: I still think it's really good. Yeah, yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: it's worth noting on the fastball that I think it
Speaker 3: rides really well. I mean, you look at his arm angle.
Speaker 3: It's a little more over the top than some of
Speaker 3: the guys. It's not like a Bryce Miller super flat
Speaker 3: rising fastball. But I think it looks to me. I
Speaker 3: don't have any IVB numbers on him or anything, but
Speaker 3: it looks to me visually like he's getting good ride
Speaker 3: with it because he's coming right over the top, and
Speaker 3: I think that's helping it play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and when you just talk about like
Speaker 2: good arsenal and good execution coming together, I think that's
Speaker 2: that's Nestor German here big time. I you know, kind
Speaker 2: of let it out in the discord that this was,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe my favorite B side arm And I
Speaker 2: know Clegg chrimmed in so that he might think he's
Speaker 2: the most underrated pigeon prospect in baseball. I think there's
Speaker 2: a case for that for sure. Hopefully he graduates from
Speaker 2: the piggyback stage of his development here and full on
Speaker 2: starter go and he's a guy who I think you
Speaker 2: could drop and you could drop into the biggs right now.
Speaker 2: And some of his some of the at bats, some
Speaker 2: of the sequencing, quality of stuff, quality of the execution,
Speaker 2: like that's going to give major league hitters a hard
Speaker 2: time right now. It's just doing it all the time consistently.
Speaker 2: Obviously is a big hurdle for a loud guys. But
Speaker 2: I like the bet and I like the chances that
Speaker 2: this is a major league This is a dude. Yeah, yeah, No,
Speaker 2: one's rostering.
Speaker 3: I co signed this one. I am a rosterer myself
Speaker 3: in my thirty team deep league that I love. I
Speaker 3: second everything you say, and I knew he was going
Speaker 3: to be your pick, so I'm not gonna co sign
Speaker 3: it for purposes of the B side or draft. But no,
Speaker 3: I'm a big fan as well. I think this is
Speaker 3: a great pick. My one concern about him at this
Speaker 3: stage is the innings and are they going to let
Speaker 3: him up into that workhorse or are they going to
Speaker 3: pen him because looking at the way the stuff plays,
Speaker 3: the fastball, slider, change up combo as a reliever, like
Speaker 3: maybe they just want to fast track him to do
Speaker 3: that because they do have a lot of these like
Speaker 3: starters that are have really good stuff and have some
Speaker 3: innings under their belt. You know, Povich and McDermott and
Speaker 3: Brandon Young, I think all are big league quality starters.
Speaker 3: But none of them I think is like that you know,
Speaker 3: Ace type guy, and so maybe, but they're all ahead
Speaker 3: of where German is and some of the other guys
Speaker 3: that we'll talk about. So I wonder if they have
Speaker 3: seen just how much this stuff plays up. I mean,
Speaker 3: you're talking like nineteen point seven percent swinging strike rate
Speaker 3: in high A super impressive. That is up there as
Speaker 3: some of the nastiest stuff in the minors. So my
Speaker 3: one concern is that they stop him starting next year.
Speaker 2: And for whatever, This is where I threw out one
Speaker 2: of their brass that I thought he might be my
Speaker 2: favorite arm in their whole system, and where they didn't
Speaker 2: think that was a crazy notion. So take that for whatever.
Speaker 3: That's good to hear. I mean, I want to see him,
Speaker 3: give him a chance, like, let's see what he does
Speaker 3: at the double A rotation and see if he can
Speaker 3: build some innings, because you're you're absolutely right, the stuff
Speaker 3: is hillacious and it is really it's fun watching him
Speaker 3: pitch too, Like you see him just attack guys and
Speaker 3: something doesn't work, they'll try something different and it often
Speaker 3: works the second time. So he's it's fun.
Speaker 2: It's super great to see a guy who's like stuff
Speaker 2: just like ticked up over this year and like doesn't
Speaker 2: skip a beat with the you know, the execution and
Speaker 2: the strike throwing and stuff that all just stayed where
Speaker 2: it was too, Like, I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 2: if you see that every day.
Speaker 3: Yeah again, I already mentioned him, but Brandon Young is
Speaker 3: another of my favorite guys in the system. I really
Speaker 3: like Chase McDermott too. I know the walks are higher
Speaker 3: than I usually like to see, but I watched a
Speaker 3: good bit of him this year before he got hurt
Speaker 3: and thought that it was getting better, like the command
Speaker 3: was tightening up and the stuff was staying and he
Speaker 3: was still getting the punch outs. Like McDermott looks really
Speaker 3: exciting if they can hone that that strike throwing just
Speaker 3: a little bit. And I think Brandon Young looks like
Speaker 3: a you know, number four, number three kind of starter.
Speaker 3: And what did you say, he's two percent owned? Yeah,
Speaker 3: Like that's ridiculous to me, Like he's I would take
Speaker 3: him over most of the pictures in the FYPD draft
Speaker 3: that's upcoming, Like, I think he's going to be real good.
Speaker 2: Before you name your guy, I just want to throw
Speaker 2: what was my short list here, because I think it
Speaker 2: could have been quite long. I kind of think I
Speaker 2: might know who you're going to pick. But tell me
Speaker 2: if your guy's on this list here, Brax and Bragg,
Speaker 2: Cam Weston, I picked him last year, So not him,
Speaker 2: but Blake Money, Levi Wells, Ty Weatherley, Trey Gibson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, none of those guys.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, my other finalist in this system, and
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of other guys that could
Speaker 2: be in that list too.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, A couple of those guys I think are
Speaker 3: pretty interesting. I mean I looked at Blake Money, huge dude.
Speaker 3: Stuff looks pretty good, big fun Beard just he's still
Speaker 3: a little raw for me, and I think still has
Speaker 3: some work to do there. I don't know if you
Speaker 3: came to the same conclusion. The other guy that I
Speaker 3: was really excited about I think I had mentioned before,
Speaker 3: Peter Van Luhn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why that was my favorite. That my ads
Speaker 2: on bet that you'd pick.
Speaker 3: Van Lune is awesome. I think super underrated and I
Speaker 3: think he's another one of these guys that was a
Speaker 3: late pick out of UC Irvine, and as he's gone
Speaker 3: up the levels, seems like he just keeps getting better,
Speaker 3: you know, punching out thirty one percent of batters at
Speaker 3: double A in a starter's workload. You know, he's got
Speaker 3: eleven starts there. The walks ticked up a little bit too,
Speaker 3: which I don't I don't love, but twenty point six,
Speaker 3: twenty eight point six came I as BB two sixteen
Speaker 3: average against really really solid stuff across the board, solid
Speaker 3: power pitcher. I think that he could follow that kind
Speaker 3: of McDermott path and like the stuff keep ticking up
Speaker 3: and if he can keep the walks in check, which
Speaker 3: historically he's been like more a good strike thrower than
Speaker 3: a great one. But Van Luhn is again like German
Speaker 3: for me, really really exciting, so excited to see what
Speaker 3: they do next year. And I think would be a
Speaker 3: great B side pick in a lot of years. But
Speaker 3: it just it happens occasionally, like maybe once or twice
Speaker 3: where Nate you get one right, and I think cam
Speaker 3: Wesson was your one last year that you got right
Speaker 3: and is the guy that I want to highlight again.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna piggyback on that one. Co sign on
Speaker 3: German like great pick. Totally agree he's I think he's
Speaker 3: going to be good and I hope they use him well.
Speaker 3: Van Luhn is my like like kind of B sides
Speaker 3: B side, you know that I think he could he
Speaker 3: could pop off a bit next year. He keeps going
Speaker 3: on the developmental trajectory that I think he is. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna double tap your guy from last year and think
Speaker 3: that this was just a great pick Weston. For those
Speaker 3: that don't remember, he was a mid round pick. I
Speaker 3: think like eighth round out of Michigan. If I recall
Speaker 3: you had liked his like aggressive pound the zone kind
Speaker 3: of approach and pitchability and execution that he thought that
Speaker 3: that was like playing above where people were valuing him
Speaker 3: last year and hi a last year where he spent
Speaker 3: a good chunk of the year. He was quite successful
Speaker 3: and fifteen point one percent swinging strike rate induced a
Speaker 3: bunch of ground balls pitched to a two six eight er.
Speaker 3: I think it was a good call then and then
Speaker 3: he just did that but better and at higher levels
Speaker 3: this year. Weston's another one of these guys that he's
Speaker 3: a low slot slinging righty like. His motion is really fun.
Speaker 3: He almost gun slings it from the hip like he
Speaker 3: separates his hands and then his right hand where the
Speaker 3: ball is is just hanging out by his hip and
Speaker 3: then just whips out and around and he gets great
Speaker 3: sinc on his fastball and change up the slider is
Speaker 3: really nasty. He keeps everything on the ground. He got
Speaker 3: fifty seven percent ground balls in Higa this year, and
Speaker 3: then in a larger sample it fell to forty five
Speaker 3: percent at double A, and he did start to give
Speaker 3: up few homers, but still he was limiting walks. The
Speaker 3: babip was pretty low. He threw a good number of innings,
Speaker 3: like he almost got one hundred and ten innings on
Speaker 3: the air, which I also love, like starting to build
Speaker 3: that starter's workload. And he was another one that as
Speaker 3: he went through starts, he kept up the stuff like
Speaker 3: there was no drop off, unlike some other guys who
Speaker 3: as they go through the outing they'll change things up.
Speaker 3: What I like about Weston is that he does the
Speaker 3: same thing over and over and over again, and guys
Speaker 3: can't adjust. To me, that tells me something about the
Speaker 3: stuff that Like, he just keeps sinking that fastball underneath
Speaker 3: righty's hands and they keep grounding it out. He keeps
Speaker 3: throwing the slider down and into lefties and they whiff.
Speaker 3: It's like they know what's coming and they still can't
Speaker 3: do anything about it. And I also love his kind
Speaker 3: of like demeanor and the way that he like is
Speaker 3: a bulldog out there on that He's like, I know
Speaker 3: that you're not going to hit this stuff hard. I
Speaker 3: know you're not going to get me. And he really
Speaker 3: has to miss a spot I feel like to get got.
Speaker 3: I saw him give up a home run early in
Speaker 3: one outing where he hung a slider into a lefty.
Speaker 3: Same guy later in the game struck him out on
Speaker 3: a slider that was actually executed where he wanted it.
Speaker 3: You could see him just get fired up about it,
Speaker 3: like he buried it down and in one two left
Speaker 3: he swung over it and you know, same pitch that
Speaker 3: he had hit out when he left it up, but
Speaker 3: he like, I'm going right back to that same pitch.
Speaker 3: I just executed it badly, execute it well, strikeout. So
Speaker 3: Kim Weston, I think he's really really good and for
Speaker 3: what it's worth. Steamer projects him as a three eight
Speaker 3: six er guy in the majors next year. Now they're
Speaker 3: projecting him as that as a reliever, so take that
Speaker 3: with some some Usually when they do kind of the
Speaker 3: lower projections, or if they don't project you, quote unquote
Speaker 3: as a starter, the eer comes down because you know,
Speaker 3: shorter outings and all that stuff plays up. But that
Speaker 3: is still really really good. There are not a lot
Speaker 3: of even reliever types. They get sub four projections when
Speaker 3: you haven't sniffed triple A yet, let alone the major leagues.
Speaker 3: So that tells me that the computers are also seeing
Speaker 3: that what he has been doing not only looks sustainable,
Speaker 3: but it looks like it's gonna play at the higher levels.
Speaker 3: So I don't always use that as a as a barometer,
Speaker 3: but I do like it as a as a sanity
Speaker 3: check one way or another. And that's like a big outlier.
Speaker 3: That's a really really impressive projection. So I think they're
Speaker 3: gonna keep letting him start, though I know they did
Speaker 3: some of the piggybacking with west End this year as well,
Speaker 3: but it was still usually you know, four or five
Speaker 3: inning outings when he was piggybacking in so I think
Speaker 3: they're going to keep letting him start.
Speaker 2: This is pretty much par for the course in their system,
Speaker 2: I mean, what everybody's doing.
Speaker 3: Also because they just have a lot of arms to
Speaker 3: go around. I mean, this system is deep and good.
Speaker 3: There are so many good arms.
Speaker 2: I know there's like maybe not a lot of name
Speaker 2: value in the dynasty world here, but this is legit,
Speaker 2: and I.
Speaker 3: Think there should be. We've talked about like six names
Speaker 3: in here that I would take over. I don't know
Speaker 3: anybody in the Boston system, including the pretty boys, like
Speaker 3: you can have loose parless, you can have your I Manegro,
Speaker 3: you can have all those pretty boy arms, like I
Speaker 3: don't care. I want all these guys in Baltimore system.
Speaker 2: Do you think it's because they're like piggybacking that it
Speaker 2: just like kind of goes under the radar for a
Speaker 2: lot of dynasty folks. It might, it might, It doesn't
Speaker 2: really like great well to like different.
Speaker 3: They're also not spending like side draft capitals, you know,
Speaker 3: but they're also not spending like high draft capital. Like
Speaker 3: most of the guys that we've talked about are all
Speaker 3: mid or late rounders, and I think that people, especially
Speaker 3: post fypds, they hang on to that first rounder because
Speaker 3: they were a first rounder for so long. And I
Speaker 3: think we know pretty fast in Pro Bowl. We get
Speaker 3: a lot more useful information almost right away when guy's debut,
Speaker 3: and like sometimes that's in the next.
Speaker 6: Is right, Bitsko is still rastered more than all these guys. Yeah,
Speaker 6: you know Criminal for example, a year ago and this
Speaker 6: was even I know there are twenty twenty three class
Speaker 6: for pitching seemed like a pretty dang good class and
Speaker 6: we were just starting to see them a year ago now,
Speaker 6: but even even before that kind of felt like it
Speaker 6: was very underrated and there was a slew of talent
Speaker 6: here and guys that thought could pop up, we thought
Speaker 6: could pop up. So yeah, the Orioles pitching, and I
Speaker 6: know in the discord and stuff, people are starting to
Speaker 6: talk about it a little bit more and maybe it
Speaker 6: won't be quite as unloved a year from now. But
Speaker 6: you want some b side arms, check out the Orioles. Man,
Speaker 6: There's there's some of the best least rostered starting pitching
Speaker 6: prospects out there.
Speaker 2: I think. Yeah, all right, the bat side, Matt Batside,
Speaker 2: I thought there was some like you said before, I
Speaker 2: think there were several different ways you could go at
Speaker 2: this roster percentage, but I landed on a first year
Speaker 2: player guy that I liked the brief looks of quite
Speaker 2: a bit and interesting.
Speaker 3: What were some of the other guys that you were
Speaker 3: that you were looking at, like.
Speaker 2: Edwin Amparo, Aaron Estrada, Tavy and Josenberger, Edri compos and
Speaker 2: Miguel Rodriguez were my final my finalist here, and I
Speaker 2: was I just listened to the BA guys review the
Speaker 2: Orioles draft just today yesterday, and they were talking about
Speaker 2: my guy here, so that makes me feel good. But
Speaker 2: I'm going with their third round pick from this year
Speaker 2: out of USC, Austin excuse me, Austin Overn. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you're familiar. Kind of fits. I think a
Speaker 2: search that they've been on. I think they're kind of
Speaker 2: looking for a speedy center fielder type, you know, and
Speaker 2: I think he very much fits that profile. I don't
Speaker 2: know where he might sit right now in the pecking
Speaker 2: order in their system for that profile. But a former
Speaker 2: wide receiver they were saying today. I didn't know that
Speaker 2: until I listened to the BA guys at USC at
Speaker 2: twenty one years old lefty listed at six foot that
Speaker 2: might be a little generous. I don't know. Pro debut
Speaker 2: was only twenty one games, fifteen in a BL and
Speaker 2: six in High A, but I thought he was pretty impressive.
Speaker 2: Walked sixteen point one percent of the time, struck out
Speaker 2: twenty seven percent of the time two eighty three, ninety eight,
Speaker 2: four sixty seven, hit a home run. I don't think
Speaker 2: he's like a big power guy, but I think he
Speaker 2: is a guy might hit the right shapes to hit
Speaker 2: some home runs and has enough in there. Stole sixteen
Speaker 2: bags in twenty one games. Granted it's in the lowers,
Speaker 2: but I think speed is going to be a part
Speaker 2: of his game. Good enough for one forty six WRC
Speaker 2: plus in Hi A, pulled the ball forty one percent
Speaker 2: of the time sixteen point seven percent ground ball rate
Speaker 2: in his small sample size in Hi A. But uh yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, Austin Overn, Maybe you could be
Speaker 2: a center fielder for them relatively soon. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a tough tough place to break in,
Speaker 2: but I kind of the third round picks don't tend
Speaker 2: to be very popular in first year player drafts.
Speaker 3: US soon interesting interesting. Well, you know, I think he's
Speaker 3: going to have a hard time leaprogging my B side
Speaker 3: pick of enriy K Bradfield junior from last year, who
Speaker 3: is speedy centerfield plus defense and one of the most
Speaker 3: prolific and effective base deelers in the miners and he
Speaker 3: I think I was a little worried this year with
Speaker 3: Bradfield that the K rate was ticking up, but he
Speaker 3: I think got that under control. It's still a plus.
Speaker 3: It's not elite, but it's plus at fifteen percent, so
Speaker 3: I think that could play, especially that he takes a
Speaker 3: walk too, so gives himself a lot of chances to steal.
Speaker 3: And he actually hit some homers this year four homers
Speaker 3: hit five doubles in eighteen or five triples rather in
Speaker 3: eighteen doubles two so Bradfield.
Speaker 2: Still were any of those inside the park home runs?
Speaker 3: I think there was at least one, but he did
Speaker 3: leave the yard over the fence a couple of times.
Speaker 3: My guy this year, I'm actually quite excited about one
Speaker 3: of these ones that I think it's kind of a
Speaker 3: slow burn watching him, and is one where the numbers
Speaker 3: might be a touch ahead of like the data, like
Speaker 3: the stack cast and some of the EV data, but
Speaker 3: I'm going with Aaron Estrada this year. Yeah, he's one percent,
Speaker 3: I think when I looked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I use one percent on September twenty seven.
Speaker 3: Okay, and just slashed two eighty six, three fifty six,
Speaker 3: four sixteen, nineteen doubles, five triples, nine homers, thirty nine steals,
Speaker 3: eight point two percent walk rate, sixteen percent strikeout rate.
Speaker 3: Good for a one twenty six WRC plus end of
Speaker 3: the year at high A, but most of the year
Speaker 3: in loway.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: The thing about Estrata is that he's five to eight.
Speaker 3: So you know, short boy short King is prime B
Speaker 3: side hunting territory and he's listed at one forty two
Speaker 3: on fan grafts. Now, I think he's a little bit
Speaker 3: taller and definitely bigger than this. Now that might have
Speaker 3: been his reported height and weight when he was signed
Speaker 3: out of Venezuela a couple of years ago as a
Speaker 3: seventeen year old in the DSL. So I think he's
Speaker 3: a little bit bigger than this. Like he's still on
Speaker 3: the smaller side, but looks athletic, which he good runner,
Speaker 3: not a great base stealer, you know, watching his steals
Speaker 3: like a lot of them are close, or he picks
Speaker 3: some wrong times to go, but he's like I think,
Speaker 3: working on that. You know, he did still thirty nine
Speaker 3: bags this year, but I think there's some power there
Speaker 3: that is a little bit surprising given the small frame.
Speaker 3: So that's something that I think could tick up. We
Speaker 3: might see fifteen or twenty homers next year, which would
Speaker 3: be really interesting. And he's one of those guys that
Speaker 3: it's the whole package put together is what makes him interesting.
Speaker 3: I like his swing. I think he puts it on
Speaker 3: the ground a touch too much, but I think that
Speaker 3: the swing still looks really really nice. He's balanced on
Speaker 3: both sides of the plate. He's a switch hitter, balance
Speaker 3: from both sides. I think he's a better from the
Speaker 3: left kind of guy, but still good from the right.
Speaker 3: The overall approach, the overall package, to me, is one
Speaker 3: that it gets underappreciated, right. It's one of those ones
Speaker 3: that it's going to be kind of the sum of
Speaker 3: the parts profile, but one that I think is really
Speaker 3: really good. And I'm not alone in this Steamer Again,
Speaker 3: I know I just mentioned this, but it's also fun
Speaker 3: to look at steamer projections for young minor leaguers because
Speaker 3: they take just the data that they have access to
Speaker 3: and say, what would this guy hit in the major leagues.
Speaker 3: Also removes a lot of the bias things like where
Speaker 3: was he taken in the draft, or what's his scouting report?
Speaker 3: Or how tall is he? Like those things don't play
Speaker 3: into their algorithm. I don't think last I checked. And
Speaker 3: so then you get to stack guys up pretty interestingly.
Speaker 3: So I looked at every guy who had yet to
Speaker 3: debut in the majors, which you know, for nineteen year olds,
Speaker 3: there aren't any this year. Quick quiz nate, who's number
Speaker 3: one on this list nineteen years old? Who's the best
Speaker 3: hitter according to Steamer as a nineteen year old, best
Speaker 3: nineteen year old he's in this system?
Speaker 2: Oh uh, Basallo Biseo, sorry say.
Speaker 3: He's number one by an absolute metric. Shit ton the
Speaker 3: Seo is going to be an absolute monster in the
Speaker 3: major leagues. Like that guy, I mean, if you can
Speaker 3: acquire him, I think there's a good chance that he's
Speaker 3: the best hitter period in the minor leagues by by
Speaker 3: potentially a lot. Biseos is very very impressive. Number two
Speaker 3: and three are guys that I have definitely hated on
Speaker 3: in the past. Walker Jenkins and Jus Way to Paula,
Speaker 3: both because they've been very young, have succeeded in the
Speaker 3: challenges that they've faced and have made it up to
Speaker 3: the upper minors. So that helps. And the fourth guy
Speaker 3: is actually another one that I've been a little skeptical of,
Speaker 3: largely because I don't think he's having a ton of success,
Speaker 3: but they keep pushing him up high. In Nelson Rada,
Speaker 3: so he's fourth and Aaron Estrada is fifth. And considering that,
Speaker 3: unlike Rada, it's not like he's got shoved up into
Speaker 3: double A this year. He's been at you know, advanced
Speaker 3: levels for his age as a nineteen year old. Making
Speaker 3: up to HYA is good. That's a tough challenge and
Speaker 3: he's held his own there. But that means that Aerin
Speaker 3: Astrada is ahead of pretty boys like Max Clark, Colt Emerson,
Speaker 3: Ralphie Velaskez, Jefferson, Rojas is a here hope at Chedrie Vargas, Hansel,
Speaker 3: Luis Robert Klas, George Lombard Junior like and these are
Speaker 3: the good nineteen year olds, these are the ones that
Speaker 3: have like done something, and and our plant with Jason Churio,
Speaker 3: he's just ahead of him. This is not the end
Speaker 3: all be all. There's huge wide ara bars around this
Speaker 3: kind of projection. And I don't use this is like
Speaker 3: this is who's better than who when slicing these things up,
Speaker 3: but it is a really strong reminder that age matters
Speaker 3: a lot, and when someone is kind of holding their
Speaker 3: own at a level that is way above their paygrade,
Speaker 3: like like they're playing against way older guys, we really
Speaker 3: should wait that pretty heavily and suggests to me that
Speaker 3: Aeron Estrada is borderline top one hundred overall prospect right now,
Speaker 3: and nobody thinks he's that good. So I think Estrata
Speaker 3: is one that you should try and acquire quietly, Like
Speaker 3: you don't have to make him the centerpiece of a deal,
Speaker 3: but like if you can find something interesting for the
Speaker 3: owner that has Estrata or pick him up for free.
Speaker 3: I mean he's a one percenter, so that I think
Speaker 3: he has got a chance to be a outperform Max
Speaker 3: Clark right like, and Max Clark is quote unquote a
Speaker 3: great player, but could could return you better value than
Speaker 3: Max Clark as they rise up the levels. So hop
Speaker 3: on the erin astrata train. I'm super excited about this
Speaker 3: some of all the parts player visually it checks out
Speaker 3: for me. I think the statistical performance has been quietly
Speaker 3: very impressive, and I'm excited to see what he can
Speaker 3: do next year.
Speaker 2: Right On, I actually was rostering this strata or a
Speaker 2: good chunk of this year in a few leagues, but
Speaker 2: kind of towards the end of the year moved along
Speaker 2: for a more further advanced pitcher. I think probably in
Speaker 2: most cases at the top of my shortlist, I think
Speaker 2: he was going to be my pick until I came
Speaker 2: across Over. And now maybe I was thinking about this
Speaker 2: stuff too much, but I was thinking about the stature,
Speaker 2: and I was thinking about the ground ball percentage, and
Speaker 2: then I was just watching over and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe there's like just some more impact here that I
Speaker 2: can feel safe about, which I think was the deciding
Speaker 2: factor for me. But thinking about how you know, the
Speaker 2: way that you put it, like, maybe I was understelling
Speaker 2: him a little bit, and maybe I shouldn't have dropped
Speaker 2: right on Aeron Estrada. I like it, But was it
Speaker 2: a tough call for you in this system? Were there
Speaker 2: other guys that were there was this pretty easy.
Speaker 3: On the hitter side, this was pretty easy. I mean,
Speaker 3: there's some other guys that I think are are interesting
Speaker 3: and a guy that I've long flirted with in the
Speaker 3: Baltimore system actually just got popped in the minor league section,
Speaker 3: John Rhodes. I think we might have talked about him before.
Speaker 3: He had a pretty bad year, but he's someone that
Speaker 3: I've been pretty intrigued by some of the skills in
Speaker 3: the past, and I don't know, the Dodgers aren't stupid
Speaker 3: and they took him, so yeah, I think that's.
Speaker 2: Doosenberger in his fifty steels was kind of interesting to
Speaker 2: me too.
Speaker 3: I watched a favorite of Josenburger too. He had a
Speaker 3: good year. I think he's really interesting. Again, I love
Speaker 3: the plate discipline combo of an above average walk rate
Speaker 3: and a better than average strikeout rate. So Josenberger's he
Speaker 3: is a good one. That's definitely a good shout And
Speaker 3: if it were not for Estrada, Josenberger might have been
Speaker 3: a good pick.
Speaker 2: Matt. The Toronto Blue Jays looking at their arms, Ricky
Speaker 2: Titaman's still most popular fifty six percent two arms. Yeah right,
Speaker 2: that's really unfortunate too. I like Tituman, Jake Bloss who
Speaker 2: they got from Houston, right m h fifteen percent, Brandon
Speaker 2: Barrierra fifteen percent, Adam Maco five percent, Landon Marudis three percent,
Speaker 2: prey Yasavage there what first round pick? Second round pick
Speaker 2: this year? Is that three percent already? And then I
Speaker 2: don't know some two percenters that are meh? And that
Speaker 2: was and that's about it. Your guy from last year,
Speaker 2: Lazaro Estrada, thought he might get picked today in the
Speaker 2: Rule five, but didn't. I was still at zero percent.
Speaker 2: You and I like him a bit, and I ended
Speaker 2: up landing on another first year player, are Matt.
Speaker 3: You're going aheady on the first year player guys?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess the three of them tonight. I don't
Speaker 2: know if I don't know how many I've taken overall
Speaker 2: on the arm side, it doesn't feel like as many
Speaker 2: as last year. AnyWho I'm going with Colby Holcombe. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you watched him at all. I don't
Speaker 2: think I did. There wasn't a ton fifteen innings. After
Speaker 2: getting drafted twenty one years old, Righty listed at six six,
Speaker 2: good strong, big frame. They drafted him out of Mississippi
Speaker 2: State this is the second Mississippi State What are they?
Speaker 2: The Bulldogs and I talked about tonight. He was the
Speaker 2: ninth round pick, signed for one hundred and ninety eight K.
Speaker 2: His college career, Matt was pretty unremarkable, I think. But
Speaker 2: he only had like fifty eight relief innings for Mississippi
Speaker 2: State over the last two years, and they weren't very productive.
Speaker 2: Numbers weren't very good, but I know he had a
Speaker 2: really good cape his last year. There is some savant
Speaker 2: stuff right because he was in the Florida State League.
Speaker 2: So looking at that stuff, here's a four seam fastball
Speaker 2: that averaged ninety three point one, but he can get
Speaker 2: it up there higher than that when he wants to.
Speaker 2: He'll reach back at ninety five ninety six. I know
Speaker 2: there was reports that I don't know if this is
Speaker 2: while he was in college or on the cape, but
Speaker 2: he can like touch ninety nine. The four seam sinker
Speaker 2: game I thought was pretty interesting with him, Like he
Speaker 2: mixed those two up, and I thought he like good
Speaker 2: timing when he chose to throw, you know, was good
Speaker 2: at deciding which one to throw. There's a slider, there's
Speaker 2: a curveball, there's a cutter. And there's a change up.
Speaker 2: I don't think he threw a ton of change ups,
Speaker 2: but it's in there. I thought the slider looked pretty decent,
Speaker 2: but you know, maybe now he's a bigger frame. I
Speaker 2: have no idea what like the extension is that he gets.
Speaker 2: I kind of imagine it's probably decent. Maybe there's a
Speaker 2: little bit like Johnny right hander ish to him, something
Speaker 2: like he's less funky than a lot of a lot
Speaker 2: of our arm picks this year. I just liked the
Speaker 2: little looks of him, like, and you know, the debut
Speaker 2: was pretty good production wise, one point a d r
Speaker 2: a one point one to three whip Now he just
Speaker 2: struck out under twenty percent and walked almost twelve percent,
Speaker 2: so you don't love to see that. But he didn't
Speaker 2: strike me as a guy maybe like the secondary game,
Speaker 2: but I thought the fastball commands he's like a potentially
Speaker 2: like a three fastball guy was pretty good. So I
Speaker 2: don't know. Obviously the blue Jay saw something in him
Speaker 2: here wanted to take him second day, and I could
Speaker 2: kind of see it. I don't know, man, I was
Speaker 2: just enjoying my looks. I thought it was good mix
Speaker 2: of stuff and pitchability. Big, strong frame. I don't know.
Speaker 2: This is why I landed on Kobe Holcom nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like a decent dart throw. I mean
Speaker 3: I didn't love the arms in the system. I still
Speaker 3: think lazarro Strada is my favorite picture in their system period.
Speaker 3: Maybe Adam Mako comes back and is good again. I
Speaker 3: liked him when he was with the Mariners, but I'm
Speaker 3: not a teetaman guy. I think he's a reliever if
Speaker 3: he ever can stay healthy enough. And I wasn't a
Speaker 3: big fan of the rest of the arms in the
Speaker 3: system other than Estrata, who I think had a really
Speaker 3: nice double A, and I'm excited to see what he
Speaker 3: can develop into next year. I don't like the guy
Speaker 3: that I'm picking, really like. He's a bottom five maybe
Speaker 3: armed for me in the system, but he's near to
Speaker 3: the bigs. It's Trenton Wallace. He's spent most of the
Speaker 3: year in triple A. The stuff is like not even
Speaker 3: stuff that I'm going to defend. You know, it's eighty nine,
Speaker 3: but it's not like special shapes or anything. He can
Speaker 3: spin it. Okay, so he still struck out twenty six
Speaker 3: point five percent of batters, but he has to nibble
Speaker 3: quite a lot to do that. So I don't think
Speaker 3: the performance was all that impressive. And he's seems just
Speaker 3: like really depth arm material to me, or a long
Speaker 3: swingman role, eat innings kind of thing. But this is
Speaker 3: not a strong recommendation by any stretch to the imagination.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's that good.
Speaker 2: I agree there wasn't a lot of other than a
Speaker 2: Strata who was still zero percent. I wasn't really taken
Speaker 2: by the many of my looks here. There was a
Speaker 2: teenager Luis Torres that there was a few looks of
Speaker 2: in single A. But I still like to holk him better.
Speaker 3: Cool but the bats, yeah, yeah, yeah, some fun ones here.
Speaker 2: That's where it's at. I think r J Shrek might
Speaker 2: be my number one beside that this year came over.
Speaker 2: I was going to get that what's that. I was
Speaker 2: going to guess that, yeah, that's that, and that you're
Speaker 2: not going with Shrek.
Speaker 3: I almost did, And as I'll say, I think that
Speaker 3: this is the smart pick. This is a this is
Speaker 3: a reversal of fortune here, a reversal of roles, because
Speaker 3: I think that Shrek is high probability, good hitting big
Speaker 3: leaguer like that. That is is going to be pretty good.
Speaker 3: But I think my guy is a moonshot chance.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, look at us. Yeah, switching roles here
Speaker 2: a bit, but yeah, I'm going to go with Shrek,
Speaker 2: twenty three year old outfielder lefty listed at six to one.
Speaker 2: He was the ninth well, he was the Mayriorner ninth
Speaker 2: round pick out of Andy in twenty twenty three. What trade? Oh,
Speaker 2: justin Turner? Right? Yeah, that was just straight up Trek
Speaker 2: for Turner, Right.
Speaker 3: I think that's right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh, how do you feel about that
Speaker 2: as a Mariners fan?
Speaker 3: Look, Jerry's constantly trying to trade from his mid round
Speaker 3: picks that hit to get a little bit of help
Speaker 3: for the big league squad. Turner did help the big
Speaker 3: league squad. I don't think that this is a trade
Speaker 3: that they're gonna, like, really regret in the long term
Speaker 3: for reasons that we'll we'll talk about. But I do
Speaker 3: think that it's gonna hurt when Trek hits the ground
Speaker 3: running in the bigs as a hitter.
Speaker 2: Okay, And you know, after I landed on Trek mid
Speaker 2: video and stuff like, I got hit up by a
Speaker 2: few people that were just like, hey, I think Trek's
Speaker 2: really a dude, and these are like, you know, more
Speaker 2: like data guys. So take that for whatever it's worth.
Speaker 2: But but he spent most of the year in Everett, right,
Speaker 2: seventy eight games there, yeah, forty four played appearances. Then, yeah,
Speaker 2: he hit like twelve home runs. And this is a
Speaker 2: guy that I think as an amateur, I don't think
Speaker 2: home runs were really like a big part of it.
Speaker 2: So you're like, yeah, you know, this guy's an Everett.
Speaker 2: You know that ridiculously small porch. So maybe some of
Speaker 2: that is is a bit bloom, but you kind of
Speaker 2: continue to hit home runs even when he moved up well, no,
Speaker 2: now with Seattle, but he hit five with what New
Speaker 2: Hampshire right in one hundred and fourteen played appearances. Well,
Speaker 2: this is a guy that total on the year walked
Speaker 2: fifteen point seven percent. Now, and that was thirteen point
Speaker 2: five percent, and combining both his double A stops struck
Speaker 2: out just a little bit more sixteen point five percent.
Speaker 2: It was twenty three percent in double A on the
Speaker 2: year slash two fifty one, three eighty eight, four sixty
Speaker 2: two with at two eleven ISO and that was on
Speaker 2: a two seventy four babbit's good enough for a one
Speaker 2: forty two WRC plus. Like we talked about, I think
Speaker 2: he kind of maximizes his home run potential with his
Speaker 2: bad boss.
Speaker 3: I was going to talk about this, Like you watch
Speaker 3: him play, his superpower is the barrel control and the
Speaker 3: launch angle control. Like he is a poster boy for
Speaker 3: I'm trying to lift this particular pitch and I'm trying
Speaker 3: to hit this pitch on a love I'm like, he
Speaker 3: does a really really good job manipulating the barrel that way.
Speaker 2: And it's kind of a cool story. I think he
Speaker 2: started off as a walk on at Duke before transferring.
Speaker 2: I did notice the splits aren't the greatest, so maybe
Speaker 2: there's some platoon stuff to think about there. It's like
Speaker 2: six hundred in August after the trade, first month in
Speaker 2: the Eastern League, and I don't know as far as
Speaker 2: this sort of goes, maybe like a little bit of
Speaker 2: a tweener, Like I don't know, is he does he
Speaker 2: lack impact for like the corner outfield life, but is
Speaker 2: he like really a center fielder. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: think he only had it.
Speaker 3: That's my that's my like real world take on this
Speaker 3: is that he probably moves to the corner. So maybe
Speaker 3: he's a decent left fielder and he I don't think
Speaker 3: it's going to be like a twenty five homer back.
Speaker 3: He might he actually might get to that in some seasons,
Speaker 3: like if he gets a good long run because he
Speaker 3: hit so many fly balls. It's just one of the
Speaker 3: things that I think makes him a pretty interesting guy.
Speaker 3: But it's it's it'll be tough for him to do,
Speaker 3: so you know, he's really going to have to really
Speaker 3: going to have to hit. And I don't think that's
Speaker 3: like his power baseline. But he's a guy that his
Speaker 3: game power is I think two grades above his raw.
Speaker 3: He just is so good at manipulating the barrel that
Speaker 3: he's going to get to all the power that he's got.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had not that this like is a measurement
Speaker 2: of how good you are defensively necessarily, but two airs
Speaker 2: on the season, and one of those was in his
Speaker 2: very first game. But I think he was primarily what
Speaker 2: was he primarily playing center field?
Speaker 3: He played left and right the most.
Speaker 2: Okay, I just wrote I wrote down outfield, which in
Speaker 2: my language to myself just means he played all of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, mostly and left.
Speaker 2: Then yeah, Shrek is a pretty good get for Toronto
Speaker 2: and Toronto even more so today. Just kind of gobbling
Speaker 2: up a lot of these kind of like deside ish
Speaker 2: kind of like just like guys. Then they got a
Speaker 2: lot of them, and I don't know, maybe maybe a
Speaker 2: few of them pop and produce more than they're sort
Speaker 2: of popularity in name recognition right now. But I think
Speaker 2: they've made a lot of interesting trades and gobble up
Speaker 2: a lot of these kind of like mid tier prospects
Speaker 2: that I have the like quite a bit.
Speaker 3: And as we've seen, sometimes these mid tier prospects add
Speaker 3: a little bit and turn into Spencer Horowitz, who was
Speaker 3: just like traded for an absolute crap ton and given
Speaker 3: that nobody was on him a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3: But if you keep hitting at the upper miners, and
Speaker 3: I think that the Jays have a bunch of these guys,
Speaker 3: you know, Will Wagner is another one that like he's
Speaker 3: kind of underappreciated, but I think is gonna be a
Speaker 3: good major league hitter. Alan Roden's another one. I think
Speaker 3: we've talked about who he's to me, got a lot
Speaker 3: of the like hitterish traits that I think are underappreciated,
Speaker 3: even Josh Kasevich. I think he's another one that like
Speaker 3: is kind of sneaky interesting. And you know, they acquired
Speaker 3: our boy McAdoo who kept hitting post trades. So think
Speaker 3: that there's and Panogo too. You know Panongos, as you
Speaker 3: had mentioned, he's been caught and cold last year and
Speaker 3: for you in general, but he still remained somewhat interesting
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so who'd you end up going? Who's your moon
Speaker 2: shot here?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So even with me saying I liked a lot
Speaker 3: of these guys, and I think most of the guys
Speaker 3: that I just named were over our roster threshold percentage.
Speaker 3: I'm not one hundred percent on that, but I'm pretty
Speaker 3: sure that these are all guys that were like two
Speaker 3: or three percent. I'm just advocating that they're pretty interesting
Speaker 3: and folks should look at them. They've got a lot
Speaker 3: of these like league average or maybe a touch better
Speaker 3: kind of bats, but where they can to play on
Speaker 3: defense and all that kind of stuff. And I was looking.
Speaker 3: I watched quite a bit of the J's and explored
Speaker 3: a bunch of their FSL data and TRIPAA data because
Speaker 3: obviously we've got stat cast for that, and I thought
Speaker 3: they had a really interesting set of guys from the draft,
Speaker 3: one of whom was included in that him and his
Speaker 3: trade too, Nick Mitchell. I had just been watching him
Speaker 3: as I was brushing up on the Jay's system, and
Speaker 3: then when I saw that Mitchell was included in that
Speaker 3: deal for Andres him and Is, I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: I thought he was pretty interesting as well, good swing decisions.
Speaker 3: I thought his contact looked good at four homers and
Speaker 3: his hundred plate appearances stole three bags, like interesting power
Speaker 3: speed and was decent at Indiana. I was like, well,
Speaker 3: that's kind of an interesting guy and a very Cleveland
Speaker 3: kind of target. And then the other guy that I
Speaker 3: thought was pretty interesting, another outfielder that they drafted, Eddie
Speaker 3: Mikletty Junior. Do you watch any of him?
Speaker 2: I think so, Yeah, I got him on my list here. Yeah.
Speaker 3: He was a Virginia Tech guy again mid round, like
Speaker 3: eighth rounder out of out of Virginia Tech. He had
Speaker 3: really good walks to strikeouts, you know, it was almost
Speaker 3: one to one, popped a couple of homers. I liked
Speaker 3: a lot about his look as well, really nice left
Speaker 3: handed swing. So he's another one that I'm interested to
Speaker 3: see how it goes. But I got sucked in to
Speaker 3: another of these like super weird guys. Aaron Parker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he would have been he was, He would have
Speaker 2: been mine. If it wasn't, he would have nice. Nice.
Speaker 3: So they settled on those two. So Aaron Parker out
Speaker 3: of UCSB. The other catcher that I took a random
Speaker 3: ass flyer on, Brendan Durfy for San Diego.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So Brendan Durfy, who I like pulled out of a hat.
Speaker 3: Barely watched any of him, but it was like, ay,
Speaker 3: it's interesting in a difficult to find somebody's system. Well,
Speaker 3: big catcher out of UCSB, I'm going with Aaron Parker
Speaker 3: out of UCSB, who's a catcher who's just drafted. So
Speaker 3: the two of them were both at UCSB last year,
Speaker 3: splitting time. I looked like they shared some time and
Speaker 3: DHD and all of that. Aaron Parker had a good debut.
Speaker 3: Surface numbers were two thirty five three eighty five thirteen,
Speaker 3: good for a one fifty four WRC plus in a
Speaker 3: ball and now like college bat coming out of the
Speaker 3: draft in a ball like you expect them to do
Speaker 3: pretty decently well, and you know the warts struck out
Speaker 3: twenty seven percent of the time. That's a lot, especially
Speaker 3: for a college bat. But because it's the FSL, we've
Speaker 3: got exit Vilo data and we've also got swing decision data,
Speaker 3: and Aaron Parker is off the freakin charts on.
Speaker 2: Both of them. Well, when I were just looking at that,
Speaker 2: just pulled that up the other day.
Speaker 3: Absolutely nutty exit Villo. His ninetieth percentile was like one
Speaker 3: oh eight for something, which is like crazy high for anybody.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's like elite big league power, Like that's
Speaker 3: that's I think in the ninetieth or ninety fifth percentile
Speaker 3: for major leaguers Like that's Roman Anthony is at that,
Speaker 3: and he also walks seventeen percent of the time. And
Speaker 3: so I started comparing him, and do you know who
Speaker 3: is like number one comparison is Emmanuel or Rodriguez because
Speaker 3: they never swing, they walk all the time, they strike out,
Speaker 3: they have poor contact and elite power. So Aaron Parker
Speaker 3: is Emmanuel Rodriguez, but just without the steals and plays catcher.
Speaker 3: I watched him a bit of catcher. It looked fine
Speaker 3: to me, nothing great, nothing awful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was wondering about that. I was wondering about
Speaker 2: about his catching ability, like which.
Speaker 3: Yeah, starts and it looks it looks fine to me.
Speaker 2: I mean, is there is there anything like less sticky
Speaker 2: than defensive catcher grades for prospects and opinions, so over
Speaker 2: and over, so many examples of it going both ways.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know he DHD. He DHD a lot
Speaker 3: in a ball likes basically fifty to fifty. Some of
Speaker 3: that might have been coming off a college she's in.
Speaker 3: Some of that might have just been like.
Speaker 2: You're talking, like you're talking this like short right handed yep, nasher.
Speaker 3: Yep, he's and looks like it. But he hits the
Speaker 3: ball in the air a ton, you know, thirty four
Speaker 3: percent in the air, twenty two percent line drives. He
Speaker 3: pulls the ball too. But even when he goes opo,
Speaker 3: he might leave the yard at any given moment. He
Speaker 3: had a really cool opo homer. He just like muscled
Speaker 3: out the outfielder kind of drifted back thinking he might
Speaker 3: have a play, and then it was way over the wall.
Speaker 3: It's like crazy. He has huge contact concerns, like we're
Speaker 3: talking bottom of the scale contact in both end zone
Speaker 3: and overall. The guy never fucking swings so I kind
Speaker 3: of think it's just not going to matter that much.
Speaker 3: And when he swings, he is looking to do damage.
Speaker 3: And again this thing with like short guys and oh
Speaker 3: we shouldn't like him or whatever. The dude fucking mashes.
Speaker 3: He hits the ball so hard already, that's the thing
Speaker 3: you care about, that's the thing you're worried about for
Speaker 3: a short guy. Like if he showed that that is
Speaker 3: in his toolkit. I just don't think his height really
Speaker 3: matters all that much to me. So he has one
Speaker 3: big flaw, but a bunch of things that I really
Speaker 3: really like. So I'm betting on Aaron Parker and this
Speaker 3: new wave of how you hit is swing lass. I
Speaker 3: think he's on that train and when you swing and
Speaker 3: hit it, you hit it really far. So Aaron Parker's
Speaker 3: my moonshot guy. That he might be just like an
Speaker 3: absolute masher ketcher kind of guy, or he might not
Speaker 3: make enough contact and he might flame out Shrek to me,
Speaker 3: is the high high probability, great pick. Like Co signed
Speaker 3: that as well. It's a good, good B side rep.
Speaker 3: But I'm shooting the moon here and going Aaron Parker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you picked Parker. That's cool. Yeah, Vogel
Speaker 2: hit me up. He's like, hey, the with the new
Speaker 2: Bowman Draft Baseball card release thing, He's like, who are
Speaker 2: some really cheap guys that you kind of like? And like, dude,
Speaker 2: Aaron Parker is like the cheapest hitter to take in
Speaker 2: these breaks and stuff. And I'm like, dude, Parker for
Speaker 2: twenty nine dollars or whatever it was, I'm like, dude,
Speaker 2: take him, man. But yeah, that's funny. I'm glad you
Speaker 2: went with Parker.
Speaker 3: I don't know what any of that means, but Aaron, it.
Speaker 2: Means no card collectors think that Aaron Parker is any good.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I think a lot of real life people
Speaker 3: think that too, and a lot of fantasy players think that.
Speaker 3: But I don't know, man, those are rare, rare skills.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, all right, Last, but not least, the
Speaker 2: evil Empire, right, that's not an empire, but the New
Speaker 2: York Yankees looking at their arm farm. Yeah, Chase Hampton
Speaker 2: twenty eight percent, Will Warren was twenty seven percent, Lani
Speaker 2: nineteen percent, Brack Salvage five percent, several two percenters, and
Speaker 2: then like, yeah, then us, then where we dig around
Speaker 2: one thing that's kind of interesting. Now I know their draft,
Speaker 2: they seem to like really kind of reload. They took
Speaker 2: a ton of pitchers in the first two days. I
Speaker 2: think maybe all pictures the first two days maybe a
Speaker 2: little bit older in the uppers. But I think it's
Speaker 2: just also like a lot of good, tough competition, right,
Speaker 2: tough to get developmental innings there. But I landed on
Speaker 2: a twenty twenty three undrafted free agent.
Speaker 3: Ooh, who did you go far?
Speaker 2: I'm going with Trent Sellers and he's from He's from
Speaker 2: Oregon State, So I didn't know if you were familiar
Speaker 2: or that I am, And I'm not even sure. I
Speaker 2: don't even know college if he was a starter or
Speaker 2: reliever of what the story was, I didn't even look.
Speaker 2: But there are some folks interested. He was one percent
Speaker 2: rostered in September. He was twenty four, almost twenty five
Speaker 2: years old. His last start, which was in High A.
Speaker 2: There was a Triple A appearance at some point this year,
Speaker 2: but I think that was just a little brief deal
Speaker 2: here in High A. Thirty one games, nine starts, eighty
Speaker 2: two innings pitched. I think there was like some piggybacking
Speaker 2: going on, you know, like we talked about an undrafted
Speaker 2: free agent guy, but I think he maybe has started
Speaker 2: to maybe he graduated from that sort of status you're
Speaker 2: talking at two point zero nine ERA, A point ninety
Speaker 2: six whip, a three four five x fit, thirty point
Speaker 2: three K percentage eleven and a half walk percentage. Ground
Speaker 2: balls at almost forty nine percent, was a swinging strike
Speaker 2: rate of ten point three percent according to Fangrass, through
Speaker 2: strikes at a fifty nine percent clip on the season.
Speaker 2: But Matt, the way that he ended the season was
Speaker 2: what got me, got me intrigued. His last thirty nine innings,
Speaker 2: which was his last ten starts, This is when he
Speaker 2: started starting point nine two ERA A point six y
Speaker 2: nine whip, thirty four percent K percentage and just a
Speaker 2: seven percent walk percentage. Through strikes at a sixty one
Speaker 2: percent clip. Still not quite the strike throwing that you
Speaker 2: kind of want to see. Fifteen pitches an inning, gave
Speaker 2: up one home run over that stretch.
Speaker 3: Pretty good, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like not too bad. Fastball is probably ninety to ninety four.
Speaker 2: There's a sinker, I think that might be just a
Speaker 2: smidge softer. There's a cutter, so kind of three fastball guy,
Speaker 2: change up and a slider, a nice firm slider at
Speaker 2: like eighty six. I think the change up, I don't know,
Speaker 2: was maybe around eighty four or something like that, but
Speaker 2: that's a good velocity differential. I'll share a video here.
Speaker 2: What did that show? I think probably an inning of
Speaker 2: his second inning of work after a leadoff walk versus
Speaker 2: Greensboro in the playoffs. So at the very end of
Speaker 2: the season, I thought he was just filthy dropping some
Speaker 2: secondaries that we were just kind of giving these guys
Speaker 2: no chance. Maybe a guy who's secondary game might be
Speaker 2: a little bit stronger just as far as execution. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Trent Sellers, man, I was just really
Speaker 2: impressed with him down the stretch. Think, I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe there might be some more opportunity this season in
Speaker 2: the uppers for a New York Yankee spec arm to
Speaker 2: make some noise. And I wouldn't be surprised if Trent
Speaker 2: Sellers is one of those guys or that guy.
Speaker 3: So Sellers is a koug like me. He transferred a
Speaker 3: couple of times.
Speaker 2: He started at Washington State, he.
Speaker 3: Did, That's where I remembered him from, and he wasn't
Speaker 3: very good there. And then bounced around to a junior
Speaker 3: college and then an NAI school up here in the Northwest,
Speaker 3: and then kind of figured it out at Lewis and
Speaker 3: Clark and ended up at Oregon State, where he was
Speaker 3: a starter for them and had a really nice year.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I saw him that year, but
Speaker 3: I remember following him a little bit. He does look
Speaker 3: like a developmental success story to me, like he wasn't
Speaker 3: this good, certainly in college and even at Oregon State
Speaker 3: when he took a step forward, I think that he
Speaker 3: has looked much better. And I do think that this
Speaker 3: is the Yankees developmental organization philosophy, that they take some
Speaker 3: of these guys that maybe have some interesting traits and
Speaker 3: then they kind of throw a lot of information at
Speaker 3: them and see what sticks and see what changes they
Speaker 3: can make. And I think that's what that's what we're
Speaker 3: seeing from Sellers, and interestingly, what we're also going to
Speaker 3: talk about with my guy Nice.
Speaker 2: Just generically speaking, I feel like watching Yankees arms over
Speaker 2: the last several years, like there's just breaking ball game
Speaker 2: that just really takes off with a lot of guys.
Speaker 2: There's I feel like them in like maybe like the
Speaker 2: Strows or maybe the two that I two systems I
Speaker 2: noticed the most that just kind of seemed to get
Speaker 2: some good spin out of guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Sellers is a fun developmental story and an
Speaker 3: interesting one for sure. I think my guy has a
Speaker 3: lot in common with yours. One long history in the
Speaker 3: minor or. In college, Ben Shields started out at UMass
Speaker 3: Amherst in twenty eighteen, got hurt in twenty nineteen, didn't
Speaker 3: pitch twenty twenty, covid ended the season early, pitched at
Speaker 3: UMass again in twenty twenty one, had a good year,
Speaker 3: but it was also shortened I think maybe by injury again.
Speaker 3: Then transferred to George Mason in twenty twenty two, and
Speaker 3: then played for George Mason again in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 3: So if you're counting that, six seasons in college before
Speaker 3: he finally left and he didn't get drafted, but the
Speaker 3: Yankees signed him as an undrafted free agent in like
Speaker 3: late July. I think of twenty twenty three, he had
Speaker 3: played on the Cape a couple of times, and I
Speaker 3: think done decently well in his twenty twenty two stint there,
Speaker 3: and so maybe he was on some radars from that.
Speaker 3: He was good in college. Question Mark like he was
Speaker 3: mostly a reliever in especially towards the end of his career,
Speaker 3: and went not a particularly good one at that, So
Speaker 3: like totally unremarkable college career. Yankees saw something. I read
Speaker 3: a long interview with him and his one of his
Speaker 3: pitching coaches here in pro ball, and they talked a
Speaker 3: lot about how he really absorbed a ton of information
Speaker 3: from when they drafted him, and they put him into
Speaker 3: like the development one of the developmental teams, and I
Speaker 3: think he just worked out with them a lot and
Speaker 3: was working on stuff, and they shoved him into HIA
Speaker 3: to start the year this year again in that piggybacking role.
Speaker 3: He wasn't a starter, but he was going two or
Speaker 3: three innings at a time. His first six outings, he
Speaker 3: went maybe fifteen innings something like that, two to three
Speaker 3: outings at a time, or two to three innings each outing,
Speaker 3: and struck out twenty eight walked eight point five four
Speaker 3: ERA to start your pro career, Like hard to do
Speaker 3: better than that to start, And he was clearly just
Speaker 3: kind of too much for the South Atlantic League. I mean,
Speaker 3: he was just like ripping through these guys and it
Speaker 3: kept going even when they started putting him in as
Speaker 3: a starter. So after his first six appearances in relief,
Speaker 3: I think they he started the rest of the year
Speaker 3: more or less and just kept on doing the same thing.
Speaker 3: Across all of his outings this year, he struck out
Speaker 3: thirty one point one percent of batters, walked, seven point
Speaker 3: five percent of batters three point four eight ERA and
Speaker 3: that includes a couple of like pretty big blow up
Speaker 3: outings too that I'm going to talk about because one
Speaker 3: of the things that really convinced me, like, I love
Speaker 3: that line, I love the story. I watched a bit
Speaker 3: of his low A starts and in Hudson Valley and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, this is pretty interesting. And I
Speaker 3: watched a couple at Summerset and I was like, this
Speaker 3: looks really really quite good. But we also have a
Speaker 3: triple A start. I love the stackcast data. I got
Speaker 3: so into this guy because he in the triple A data.
Speaker 3: We only have data on a couple of his pitches.
Speaker 3: I think it was just four, and it was terrible.
Speaker 3: In the outing. It was like, uh, let me find it,
Speaker 3: because it was like it was like a miserably bad start.
Speaker 3: So they called him up for one start against the
Speaker 3: Syracuse with the Mets. Triple A affiliate, and they started him.
Speaker 3: He went one in two thirds innings seventeen batter's face,
Speaker 3: gave up eight hits, nine runs, seven earned a homer,
Speaker 3: and two walks and two hit by pitches. He got
Speaker 3: a strike out in there, though, But that's awful, right,
Speaker 3: terrible outing, And even with that outing, he's he's still
Speaker 3: his full season line was really really good. If you
Speaker 3: take that outing out, his full season line was electric
Speaker 3: because that was like the only time he was bad.
Speaker 3: Get a couple of other like four run give up starts,
Speaker 3: uh starts where he gave up four runs one or
Speaker 3: two where he gave up three, But you look across
Speaker 3: his game log, especially to end the year, it's like
Speaker 3: zero runs, two runs, one runs zero zero zero one
Speaker 3: one three one three two two two two two one,
Speaker 3: Like he's just not giving up runs in these starts.
Speaker 3: And his arsenal is so cool because he's got a sinker,
Speaker 3: which he uses a lot, a four seam fastball, which
Speaker 3: is a different shaped pitch, like clearly a different look.
Speaker 3: He has a gyro slider and a sweeper and a
Speaker 3: curveball and a splitter and he uses all of those
Speaker 3: pitches like you watch him like use you see, you know,
Speaker 3: when the catcher's calling pitches, like he's doing two finger
Speaker 3: signs to try and tell him which pitch to call,
Speaker 3: you know, so like it's not just one two three
Speaker 3: or one two three four. They're doing like the l
Speaker 3: for the four seam I think, and they were doing
Speaker 3: the spinny fastball for the two seam. They were doing
Speaker 3: like a hookham horns kind of thing for one of
Speaker 3: his other pitches. I don't even know what that one was,
Speaker 3: but like he's clearly just got like a huge arsenal
Speaker 3: and is trying all these different things.
Speaker 2: Was that the splitter, the horns.
Speaker 3: It might have been, it might have been actually a
Speaker 3: huge repertoire, and commanded them all well enough that like
Speaker 3: he wasn't walking a lot of guys. He had a
Speaker 3: couple of outings where he had four walks. Most of
Speaker 3: them were two zero or one. So he's got a
Speaker 3: deep repertoire commands it pretty well gets with. And we
Speaker 3: had this stackcast data, and so I was so curious.
Speaker 3: I watched the start first and just like watched it
Speaker 3: through you know, the inning and two thirds, and he
Speaker 3: got super unlucky. You watch it a couple of pitches
Speaker 3: that like could have gone either way. Maybe they could
Speaker 3: have challenged it. Actually, I don't know if it was
Speaker 3: a challenge there or not, but anyway that could have
Speaker 3: gone either way on like strike threes early that I
Speaker 3: thought maybe he got got screwed on a couple of
Speaker 3: weird babbit that balls just found holes like it was
Speaker 3: just a supremely unlucky start. He also didn't look faced
Speaker 3: at all. He just kept out going out there doing
Speaker 3: his thing. But we also get the data on the
Speaker 3: pitch shapes, and I was so into this guy at
Speaker 3: this point that I spent like an hour and a
Speaker 3: half recording every single pitch, the spin, the direction, the shape,
Speaker 3: the movement, and then comping this to big leaguers. Okay,
Speaker 3: so this guy, undrafted, free agent, unheralded zero percent when
Speaker 3: I looked, I don't think anybody. I'm not even sure
Speaker 3: if he's owned in any of my leagues, and I
Speaker 3: played in quite a few deep ones. But Shields fastball
Speaker 3: is almost a dead ringer for Max Freeds in terms
Speaker 3: of the run, the velocity, the release point. I think
Speaker 3: his might be huch higher than Freed's, but other than that,
Speaker 3: it looks just like Max Freed's, so that's interesting. The
Speaker 3: other fastballs that are in that same range are Scott
Speaker 3: Ferguson and Patrick Sandoval I think is close. So, like,
Speaker 3: you know, those guys are good in their own way,
Speaker 3: but like, that's a fastball, that's a major league quality fastball,
Speaker 3: right and he's averages like ninety three point six with it,
Speaker 3: which is pretty good, or maybe it's a hair below that,
Speaker 3: but it's like above ninety three for a lefty. That's
Speaker 3: pretty good. Then I looked at his slider. It was
Speaker 3: unclear in the Triple A start, which was early in
Speaker 3: the year in May, whether he was throwing the distinct
Speaker 3: sweeper and gyro. I tend to think that this was
Speaker 3: mostly the gyro slider that he was throwing and not
Speaker 3: the sweepy one that he used later on in the year.
Speaker 3: But also comps almost directly with Max Fried's in terms
Speaker 3: of velocity and movement profile horizontal and vertical. So like
Speaker 3: you've got a Max Freed starter kit, and it's not
Speaker 3: really that much of a coincidence. Maybe that they just
Speaker 3: signed the Yankees just signed Max Freed too, and Shields
Speaker 3: might have his like doppelganger there. But then he also
Speaker 3: adds a whole bunch of other pitches too. So I'm
Speaker 3: not saying that Ben Shields is better than Max Freed.
Speaker 3: Max Freed is so long track record of extremely good
Speaker 3: success in the major leagues, but I'm saying that his
Speaker 3: stuff comps almost exactly too Max freedz so Benshields dominated
Speaker 3: the minor leagues. The stuff looks just like an ACE
Speaker 3: that just got paid an absurd amount of money and
Speaker 3: he's zero percent owned, So the stuff seems there. The
Speaker 3: results are there. It came out of freaking nowhere. But
Speaker 3: like this is kind of a sound the alarm kind
Speaker 3: of thing on this guy. I don't know what else
Speaker 3: you would want to see from a B sider guy,
Speaker 3: Like he's He's probably in my top three B side
Speaker 3: arms that I'm most excited about, has a real shot
Speaker 3: to just be like the most successful out of them.
Speaker 3: The depth of the arsenal, the quality of the stuff
Speaker 3: that like, I don't know, this is the thing, Like
Speaker 3: people get hung up on the guy touching ninety nine,
Speaker 3: but like you don't care when a guy looks just
Speaker 3: like an ace, Like this stuff backball slider looks just
Speaker 3: like Max Freed, and you're like oh, but it's ninety three,
Speaker 3: you know, slider, Like come on, Like, this is why
Speaker 3: I love comps, and I think that people don't use
Speaker 3: them because either they don't know like what, they don't
Speaker 3: have that context, they don't have that the right pull
Speaker 3: the right person to compare them to, or they don't
Speaker 3: use him in the right way. And I credit Jeff Zimmermann,
Speaker 3: who writes on fangrafts a lot, like he built a
Speaker 3: tool to compare pitch types to major league pitchers to
Speaker 3: see like how similar or what are the fastballs that
Speaker 3: look like this? What are the change ups that look
Speaker 3: like this? And that's been a really helpful thing for
Speaker 3: me to help gut check when I look at a
Speaker 3: guy and have access to that kind of data, like
Speaker 3: is that pitch actually going to play? Like? How good
Speaker 3: is that? What does it look like? Was that pitch
Speaker 3: also good? For all of the data that I could
Speaker 3: find for Ben Shields, pitches, all of them comp to sliders,
Speaker 3: to fastballs, to curveballs that look really good and we
Speaker 3: would want to see that all in one pitcher. So
Speaker 3: I'm honestly as excited about Ben Shields as anybody. And
Speaker 3: that's absolutely nowhere.
Speaker 2: That's a good dig they got me more so he
Speaker 2: was third on my list here, but I was not
Speaker 2: thinking about him in this context at all. Also, that's
Speaker 2: good stuff. I just want to put a pin on
Speaker 2: one other name. I don't know if you watched any
Speaker 2: Allen Facundo, Kundo, I'm at Adio. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I may have watched a little bit, but I don't.
Speaker 2: He was twenty one years old, he was in single
Speaker 2: A just kind of a bigger, harder throwing lefty that
Speaker 2: I just was like into the execution and pitchability that
Speaker 2: he was showing. But I'm assuming Tommy John struck because
Speaker 2: he went on the full season in June and never
Speaker 2: saw him again. So I didn't want to like that
Speaker 2: might have been my choice here, but I just wanted
Speaker 2: to give that name a shout to see, keep an
Speaker 2: eye out when he comes back what he might look like,
Speaker 2: because I was kind of getting into Facundo too. But yeah,
Speaker 2: Ben Shields, I don't make me. You make me want
Speaker 2: to go watch him again.
Speaker 3: Now, dude, I highly recommend it. It's so fun.
Speaker 2: I was into it. I didn't take a lot of notes,
Speaker 2: but he was up here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a it's a fun look like he's
Speaker 3: He's one that really really pressed and doing it up
Speaker 3: at double A and high A from like nowhere. It
Speaker 3: was impressive stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm still I want to see Tyrone Nulie,
Speaker 2: my pick from last year, come back from his Timmy John.
Speaker 2: I don't think he didn't pitch at all this last year,
Speaker 2: which has been my theme with the Yankees B side arms, Matt.
Speaker 2: I pick a guy and they have Tommy John don't
Speaker 2: even pitch. Hopefully that doesn't happen with Trent Sellers here,
Speaker 2: hopefully not. But I was I had on my short
Speaker 2: list to Gabrielle Barbosa, who I saw I got taken
Speaker 2: into the minor league portion of draft. Today, let's move
Speaker 2: to the bats man. I'll let you go first with
Speaker 2: the Yankees bats.
Speaker 3: All right, My Yankees bat is a fun one. I
Speaker 3: did like quite a few of these guys. I thought
Speaker 3: there were quite a few interesting ones that were worth
Speaker 3: looking at. You know, my boy Durbin, we have talked
Speaker 3: about ad nauseum. I'm excited for him to get a shot,
Speaker 3: and I hope he really succeeds next year. He I
Speaker 3: think could be a real fun spark plug for those
Speaker 3: boring ass Yankees and but the the bat that I
Speaker 3: lendsed on, I'm actually pretty interested in. You know, the
Speaker 3: Yankees over the past couple of years have had a
Speaker 3: real catching pipeline, Like they have developed so many catchers
Speaker 3: that have gone on to either be good or moved
Speaker 3: off the position, but are still like pretty good catchers.
Speaker 2: They got good stuff for them in trades.
Speaker 3: Or they got good stuff for them in trades exactly.
Speaker 3: And there were a couple of that I was looking
Speaker 3: at here. You know, Raphael Flores, I think he might
Speaker 3: be a touch over our roster percentages, but he was one.
Speaker 3: He was one percent, so I was looking at him too,
Speaker 3: and thought that might be an interesting one catcher. Looks
Speaker 3: like he can catch, like had some things that I
Speaker 3: really like. I watched quite a bit of him at
Speaker 3: Somerset and thought he looked pretty good.
Speaker 2: Rodriguez was also still only one percent September, which I
Speaker 2: was kind of surprised.
Speaker 3: And that's my guy. Yeah, they added him to the
Speaker 3: forty man. He's played a bunch of different positions, so
Speaker 3: again there's some of this utility here. But I watching
Speaker 3: him hit, I love it. It's so goofy. The setup
Speaker 3: he like points his left elbow directly at the pitcher
Speaker 3: in this weird ass setup. He's got like the Marcelo Zuna,
Speaker 3: like really pigeon toed leg in. But he's a huge dude,
Speaker 3: and he's when he swings all of that stuff, all
Speaker 3: of those like weird ticks that I kind of love
Speaker 3: from an asthetic perspective. When he lifts this leg, it's
Speaker 3: so smooth and he is coiled, and then his hands
Speaker 3: are so fast. He's just like so short for a
Speaker 3: pretty big guy. He's so short and direct to the ball.
Speaker 3: It's no wonder that the dude ran a fourteen point
Speaker 3: seven percent strikeout rate that is elite. That is so good.
Speaker 3: I mean it's not like quite Caleb Durban elite, but
Speaker 3: it is damn close. And considering that he popped ten homers,
Speaker 3: fifteen doubles, and four triples in three hundred and thirty
Speaker 3: three plate appearances this year, I think this guy is
Speaker 3: a real hitter and is like major league quality maybe
Speaker 3: right now. And if he can play catcher, which I'm
Speaker 3: not sure of. You know, they moved him around a lot,
Speaker 3: I think partly because they aren't convinced he's a good
Speaker 3: catcher and they're seeing they think his bat might be
Speaker 3: able to play, and so they're seeing, like, can he
Speaker 3: play some of these other positions. He's played some third,
Speaker 3: has a pretty good arm, he's played some first played
Speaker 3: some left. Yeah, you know, he's bounced around. But I
Speaker 3: think that the Yankees are looking at him like this
Speaker 3: guy's gonna hit. He might be a super utility or
Speaker 3: maybe maybe their catching development continues and he could be
Speaker 3: a catcher as well. So Hayes dis Rodriguez is my guy.
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna be really good. And I was
Speaker 3: I was pumped to see the Yankees take him and
Speaker 3: put him on the forty.
Speaker 2: I think I was thinking about him myself. I was
Speaker 2: also thinking about first year player Guy Brendon Jones. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you watch Oh yeah I did from
Speaker 2: k State. He had a nice intro. W Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I just kind of decided to go with my guy.
Speaker 2: Like I was like, I'm not really sure if he's
Speaker 2: a major leaguer necessarily, but I did talk to a
Speaker 2: scout that was like, he's the kind of guy somehow,
Speaker 2: some way, we're gonna see him in the big leagues.
Speaker 2: And that's rock Regio. This dude is just so much
Speaker 2: fun to watch you scrolled, go to his MiLB dot
Speaker 2: com page, scroll down to his highlights, and it's just
Speaker 2: like one after another. He made maybe the greatest defensive
Speaker 2: play at shortstop I have ever seen. Most ridiculous play.
Speaker 2: He runs out to centerfield and his short fly ball
Speaker 2: makes the catch, falls over the centerfielder. I think he
Speaker 2: got hurt on that play too and missed some time,
Speaker 2: and then just blindly throws the ball over his head
Speaker 2: to get the guy at the second at second base
Speaker 2: who needed to tag up, like it was just ridiculous.
Speaker 2: But and there he steals home. And he's hitting walk
Speaker 2: off hits all the times, like his WPA is probably high.
Speaker 2: I feel like even though even though his you know,
Speaker 2: season stat line is is not super overwhelming here two
Speaker 2: twenty one, three forty nine, three ninety seven slash and
Speaker 2: high a four hundred and eighty played appearances. He was
Speaker 2: their fourth round pick out Oklahoma State in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: Not a real big guy who listened at five to nine,
Speaker 2: did hit eleven home runs, He did steal twenty seven bases.
Speaker 2: That was a one hundred and seventeen WRC plus and
Speaker 2: delli strikeout. You know, guy walks a lot fourteen point
Speaker 2: eight percent, struck out twenty percent. You know, you don't
Speaker 2: hate to see that. I don't know how much major
Speaker 2: league impact is necessarily in the bat. I don't even
Speaker 2: know what the realistic chances of him being a big leader.
Speaker 2: But this guy is just a gamer man and he's
Speaker 2: just like one of my favorite as a fan of baseball,
Speaker 2: just one of my favorite, if not my favorite minor
Speaker 2: leader to watch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that pick and I love the shout
Speaker 3: to the defense too. Like these kinds of guys, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think we're talking about they get underrated in this
Speaker 3: kind of thing because one, it's a lot harder for
Speaker 3: us to evaluate unless you really are watching a guy
Speaker 3: a lot, and two that doesn't show up on the
Speaker 3: stat sheet. But that's a thing that major league teams
Speaker 3: really care about. We just started with under him and.
Speaker 2: Reminds me of another one of my favorite minor leaders
Speaker 2: over the last several years, like Hunter stovall the Rockies.
Speaker 2: But I think Rigio is like a little bit more talented. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you know, one thing I got to give the
Speaker 2: Yankees credit for is that for all the uh, you know,
Speaker 2: resources scouting and all the wise guys stuff that they
Speaker 2: put into their scouting whatever, they still make room and
Speaker 2: draft guys like this, Like they will get guys that
Speaker 2: are just gamers, many good ballplayers. They might not scream
Speaker 2: out on the spreadsheets or whatever they're looking at, but
Speaker 2: like they do value that and they do have a
Speaker 2: slew of guys that are just like fucking ballplayers, man,
Speaker 2: good baseball players, heads and just the winners. Man. I
Speaker 2: think he falls into that category for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that pick. I like that shouty to
Speaker 3: end it on a couple of fun.
Speaker 2: Any rocks cheaters number, but yeah, that'll do it, I guess,
Speaker 2: huh or the al these twenty five B side calls.
Speaker 2: We didn't double up on anybody, so we had twenty
Speaker 2: guys here, huh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we we had a few co signs
Speaker 3: I think in there.
Speaker 2: But there's there's a lot of your picks that were legit,
Speaker 2: like number two on my lists, so that that's fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the same same same of yours on mine,
Speaker 3: Like that they were right there.
Speaker 2: We have one left. We'll do the al centroll next
Speaker 2: time we record. Looking forward to that one.
Speaker 3: Some good fun guys. Yeah, that's that's a fun organ,
Speaker 3: fun fun group too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, again. I'll post videos of these guys when when
Speaker 2: this pett when this recording drops on Twitter at pitching specs,
Speaker 2: you can see some of the stuff we're trying to
Speaker 2: talk about here. Well, we'll let Chicago Farmer take us
Speaker 2: out and we'll talk to you next time. See ya.
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