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Speaker 1: Hello, Shirley fans. For the last three years, Jason and

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I have been bringing you the stories behind all of

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your favorite movies from the eighties. But today we begin

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a new series.

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Speaker 2: In twenty sixteen, the Duffer Brothers introduced the world to

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Stranger Things. This show not only changed the way we

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all watch television, but surprisingly also truly impacted the music

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we listened to, from Africa to running up that Hill.

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Stranger Things has brought back songs of our past and

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introduced them to a whole new generation.

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Speaker 1: So The Shirley You Can't Be Serious Podcasts begins a

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new series bringing you the stories behind the songs of

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Stranger Things.

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Shirley Can't Be Serious podcast. Today,

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d we are diving into episode four of season one

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of Stranger Things and the music involved in this episode.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we can't fail to mention our executive producer for

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The last episode, we talked about David Bowie and how

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he became friends with John Lennon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, those two guys wrote a song together called Fame,

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which I mentioned was the number one song the day

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that I was born in nineteen seventy five.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right, David Bowie's first number one hit, by

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the way, Well, I came across an image on the

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the seventies, ladies and gentlemen. Now is the time where

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You don't want to jungle down there. You don't want

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Speaker 2: Wack it all?

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Speaker 1: Right? Are we ready to jump into the songs of

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season one, episode four of Stranger Things. We're ready, We're ready.

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Let's go. So only two songs in this episode, yeah two.

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The first song that you hear is so monumental. It

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is by such an influential band, and I have to say,

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I'm so glad that we are doing this because had

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we not done this, Joy Division would just have been

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this band that I've heard of and that's all. But wow,

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what an incredible story, what an legacy, an influence that

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they've had over countless bands. Our friend James Buckley said,

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there weren't a whole lot of people that listened to

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Joy Division or bought that first album, but the ones

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that did all started a band. I know.

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funny how you called James Buckley, And unbeknownst to me,

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didn't know who they were, right, And I'm like, so

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and so, how did.

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Speaker 1: You find them?

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Speaker 2: And you know, if it's they're not on MTV, I

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don't know how anybody finds anything. But so he's like, well,

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when I was talking to D I told him about this,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're both tapping the James Buckley Well is the truth.

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Speaker 2: Here's the way he got involved with him, or how

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you found them. I thought this was interesting. He had

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read a rock magazine where the guys from Faith No

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if you've ever heard or like Faith No More, Joy

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Division's kind of their musical family.

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Speaker 1: It was incredible because I didn't beat around the bush.

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I didn't do small talk. I'm like, hey, I'm listening

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to Joy Division and I need to know where the

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love is. I need you to help me understand the

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love because I liked the music. But the Ian Curtis's

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voice is not my taste, right weird, It's a little

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bit strange. But I asked him that question. I mean,

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he didn't hesitate. It was boom, Well, here's what happened,

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and went right into it. And then afterwards he texted

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me he said, I just laughingly told my wife you

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called to ask me about Joy Division, and she said,

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you've been preparing your whole life at this moment. It

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was seamless. He was ready. He was ready for oral

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arguments right then. Right there.

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Speaker 2: I like, how when you said I didn't beat around

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the bush, I was ready to jump right into another

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's talk about Manchester circa nineteen seventy four.

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So okay, So Manchester now has some soccer teams, a

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couple of Manchester United, Manchester City. My kid's a man

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City fan, and it's a place that people know. Back

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in the seventies it was like Detroit without Motown. Just

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not good at all, not a good music scene. They

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talked about how the only interesting act around was Gary Glitter,

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and if you know the Gary Glitter story, that's a

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word that's almost not safe to say. Yes, you know

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you've heard his music at the football game, but you

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haven't heard that story. And someday we will come back

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that story. We will come back with the Gary Glitter story,

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but not today. All right.

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Speaker 2: When you started talking about Manchester United, I thought it

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was going to turn into a soccer podcast. I was

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going to tag in David Wright and check out because

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I know nothing about soccer and less about Manchester.

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Speaker 1: So keep going, all right. So Manchester in the seventies

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has no good music, has a lot of poor, blue

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collar son of a gun guys out on their luck.

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nineteen seventy six, there is a double concert in the

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Free Trade Hall in Manchester by none other than The

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sex Pistols, the punk band of all punk bands of

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the seventies, I mean, the trendsetters, the torch Carriers, whatever

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you want to call them. These guys were there and

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it's kind of like the Joy Division album, Like, not

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a whole lot of people were there, but everybody that

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was there started a band. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: We talked on our ninety days in the nineties about

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concerts that we'd like to time travel and go see. Yeah,

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this apparently was such a huge people who saw it

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created a band that started change the world.

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you know, if you're listening to Deep Purple or led

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Zeppelin back in that day, you're like, those guys are incredible.

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sex Pistols and you're a seventeen year old kid, you're like,

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they're a huge bill. The crowd is going crazy for

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these guys, and so there were a ton of guys

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this reporter named Tony Wilson, and Tony was from Manchester.

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for that scene. And so he was on He had

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throwback to our first episode him hang lighting. And fortunately

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front of aire fence and so he immediately went to

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the Barbara fence, did an interview on like some karate people,

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and immediately was taken down to the mat, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He was a lot of fun. But he was one

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in seventy six. So some of the other guys that

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were there Ian Curtis, Bernard Sumner and Peter.

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Speaker 2: Hook by the way, yeah, before you go any further, yeah,

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Peter Hook. Immediately I'm like if Peter Pan and Captain

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Hook had a child, they would name it Peter Hook.

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Speaker 1: Yes, thank you, thank you for being here for all

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of our preschool listeners. We can keep on spiking the football, Peter.

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That is a great name. This is a very memorable name,

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Peter Hook. Keep going. So Tony Wilson decides he's going

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to form a record label. He enlists some help from

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some other people and they put together this record label

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called the Factory. Right, by this time, these guys who

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have seen the Sex Pistols play have put together their

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own bands, and by now we're going to have this

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big contest in Manchester to figure out who's the best

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of these bands. And it's like seventeen different bands, and

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the last band to be slated in this contest was

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the Negatives, and the guys from Joy Division were upset.

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They were like, we were supposed to be the last act,

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not these guys, because the last act is really kind

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of a key spot in a competition. You want to

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be the finale, right, And so they start arguing with

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the guys from the Negatives, they're arguing with the staff.

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They're saying, we're supposed to be last, not these guys.

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And at some point finally, like Ian Curtis is this

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very mild mannered, artsy kind of guy. But he's not

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small like you look at him. He's definitely a head

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taller than the rest of the guys in the band.

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Apparently he kicked down the door to the Negatives dressing

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room and said we're playing last, or I'm going to

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cut your effing head off, and they said, okay, you

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go last, and that led to them getting signed with

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Tony Wilson's new record label, and they were the driving

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force behind that record label. That's interesting. Their original name

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was Warsaw.

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David Bowie that we covered are.

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He's going to come up again and it's not in

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a good way, but just put a pin in that

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put a pin in David Bowie. But yes, they were

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highly influenced by David Bowie and they were not what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you talked about how these three guys

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who formed Joy Division were at that concert.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting.

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Speaker 2: The next day, like after that concert, they're like, we

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got to do this, Like we're doing this. One guy

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borrowed thirty five pounds from his mother to buy a guitar.

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The other guy's like, well, you know, he's been mollen

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lawns or whatever, and he went and bought a guitar.

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Like they just spark something in them that like this

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is happening. So they placed an ad in the Virgin

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record shop that they all go in and out of.

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Ian curaged response to that, and they're like, hey, yeah,

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we've seen you round. We know you don't audition him

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doesn't know if he can sing. They're like, yeah you okay,

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come on, it doesn't matter if you can sing.

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Speaker 1: We're playing punk. Let's do it. Yeah, can you breathe?

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then it was cool. Right. So they went through a

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few drummers. This is the great story. I was gonna say.

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I think it was their third drummer, but you tell

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me the story, okay. So here's the deal.

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Speaker 2: Joy Division has a band debuts May twenty ninth, nineteen

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seventy seven. In June of nineteen seventy seven. They decide

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we're going to replace our drummer. Okay, so they bring

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in this guy named Steve Brotherdale. Well, after a few gigs,

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they decide that they don't like him. This guy is

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not fitting. He's just a pain in the butt and

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we don't like him. What's his name, Steve Brotherdale, not

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David Covered. That's where that's where my head went.

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Speaker 1: Steve Brotherdale.

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Speaker 2: So while they're driving, they're all in a car and

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they decide we're going to fire this guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So they they pull over and one guy's like, hey, Steve,

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I think we got a flat tire. Will you step

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out and check on it? So Steve gets out of

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the car and when he gets out of the car

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they drive off.

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Speaker 1: They're like, re readier, that's fantastic. That is fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, sometimes you got to take the problem

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and that's Steven Morris. And by that time they call

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him sticks or because that's a great nickname for drummer.

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It's perfect, perfect really anyway, Steven Morris sticks, but the

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band name doesn't. They got to get rid of warsaw right,

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and so they go with a different name, Joy Division,

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very happy sounding name. It's happy sounding. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So they get this from a nineteen fifty five novel

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called House of Dolls, and Joy Division refers to this

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special section of prostitutes or prisoners from the Auschwitz war

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camp in Nazi Germany, where the Nazi soldiers would go

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to have a good time. So they would keep woman

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prisoners on the side as the quote unquote Joy Division,

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so not so happy, no, not so happy. Basically sex

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slaves for the soldiers, and they would also use these

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women for favored prisoners.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Horrible, Yeah, Joy Division. Okay, so that's less happy. Yeah,

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it's a good punk name, right, Yeah, it's it's Nirvana, right,

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but it's not but whole surfers, it's not Nirvana. That's

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buzz I mean, it's it's something that you hear and

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it sounds nice, but then when you find out the history,

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you're like, ooh, this is unpleasant.

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Speaker 2: So January twenty fifth, nineteen seventy eight, Joy Division plays

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its first gig and they sort of, you know, work

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their way around, they begin their climb.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: When nineteen seventy nine rolls around they record their very

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first album.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is this is huge because this is

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Tony Wilson's concept, the Factory, And I say concept because

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it started out as actually a club and then ultimately

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that transitioned into a record label. And it was kind

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of neat how he did stuff like the contract that

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he signed with the Joy Division guys he signed in

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his own blood, like let you no kidding, because it

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was like on a napkin, And basically the idea was,

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I'm as the record label guy, I'm not going to

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own your music. I'm not going to influence your music.

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That is your call. Wow, you are the one who

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was in charge of that. I'm not going to own it.

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I'm just going to be the one that's in charge

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of the business side of things, and what's on the

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business side of things, I'm in charge of, not you.

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And so listen to some of the bands that he

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was the manager of, they're like, yeah, this sounds really

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open minded. But a lot of the times that meant

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when it got to something that we weren't happy about,

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he said, well, you know what you can do. That

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was a nice way to say it's going to be

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this way or you can go off because you aren't

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connected to me. You don't have to you don't have

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to stay here. You can go you can go somewhere

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else and do something else if you want to. Now,

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Joy Division was a different I mean, they still had

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the same contract, but they were the bread and butter

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of the Factory record label. So now that they've decided

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to record the album, they have to have a producer.

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And so the guy that they get to come be

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their producer is a guy named Martin Hannett. Okay, he

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had gone by the name Martin Zero before, and he

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was he had produced one record. But you know why

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he was important to these guys, No, because he was

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in Manchester. He was like the only record producer in Manchester.

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But he had produced the buzzcocks first EP called Spiral Scratch.

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And so they're like, Okay, Martin, you're going to be

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our producer. We've got Joy Division over here because they

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are the most talented band that we have. Let's put

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this record together. Okay, now here's here's where a bit

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of magic happens. Okay, Division didn't really sound like Joy

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Division until Martin Hannett put his fingers into their pie right,

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and people would talk about how difficult it was to

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work with Martin Hannett. Like he said, I saw one

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guy who was like, it didn't matter how long a

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bean been together, four weeks, forty years. Within three days

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of working with Martin Hannett, he had everybody at each

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other's throat. That was what he thought was the way

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to produce record was to get everybody. Matt and the

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guy he wanted to make the maddest was the drummer,

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because the matter he is, the harder he hits the drums. Okay,

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I can see that. There's a movie that's come out

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that details the rise and fall of Factory Records called

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I think it's like twenty four Hour Party Machine or

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something like that. But Andy Sarkis plays the part of

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Martin Hannett, and he's awesome. He's so good as just

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this total jerk face guy, but he's a guy who

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knows what he is doing, and so he takes these guys.

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He takes Joy Division, who has this standard rock beat,

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the two and four rock beat, and he's like, we're

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not doing that. We're doing a disco beat. And they're

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like what. He's like, Wow, No, we're doing a disco

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beat on this one, and he used loops that we've

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talked about before, which was rare in the seventies. He

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was doing all kinds of these innovative things with echoes

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and ambient sound, and he is the one that made

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them sound and they hated it. They hated the way

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they sounded for that first LP, but it made them

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who they are and it made them relevant. They became

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like the definitive post punk band in the late seventies.

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It's incredible. It's incredible. So he treated it like he

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owned the factory and the band members were the drones. Right.

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But he was inspired by a few things that we've

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talked about before, right, Yeah, Okay. Number one crowdrock. Yes,

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we keep talking about crowdrock. Yeah, so we mentioned it

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and dearly list. If you're not familiar with us talking

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about it, it was on one of our Patreon episodes.

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But Keith Forcey, the guy who wrote Don't You Forget

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About Me, was a prominent kroud rock guy who worked

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with Giorgio Moroder. After that, worked with Donna Summer, which

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we'll talk a little bit about New Order after this,

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and Donna Summer was a big factor in that right,

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So he's inspired by Kroud Rock, He's inspired by Brian Eno,

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who of course is working with David Bowie at that

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point and they're making Low and he rose with that

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ambient sound and then Key his idol that we talked

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about on our Dirty Dancing episode, Mister Phil Spector. Oh yeah,

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that all makes sense. He totally wanted to be the

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Phil Spector of the post punk scene and he I

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think achieved it. Can you know what?

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Speaker 2: We keep coming in contact with Phil Spector and Georgio

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Moroder is all over the place, right, this is the

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guy that gave us the top Gun soundtrack.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Never Ending Store sort I mean, yes, yeah,

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it's all over the place, all over the place.

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Speaker 2: So Joy Division starts to tour Europe in early nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the problem.

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Speaker 2: They start to realize Ian Curtis has got epilepsy.

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Speaker 1: And this was kind of a big big deal anyway,

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but it was a bigger deal for him because in

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his past he'd actually worked in a hospital with epileptic patients.

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Like Joy Division has a song called She's out of Control,

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and people thought, well, he's talking about his condition. No,

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he was actually talking about a female patient. At the

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place that he worked, who he had seen go into

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these epileptic fits, and now he's getting the news, Hey,

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you have this, and you can't be around loud music,

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you can't do drugs, you can't stay up late, you

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can't drink. The doctor's like, oh, by the way, what

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do you do And he's like, oh, I'm a librarian.

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Oh wow, because you can't.

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Speaker 2: You know, what do you say to that, Right, I'm

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a rock musician who you know, we crank it up

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and have lights everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: In fact, he had special conditions, like they couldn't shoot

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the lights at him, yeah, or he'd have a seizure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, they literally like, guys, the background crew turned

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on the strobes at one point during one of their

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concerts and I mean he flat out fell backwards into

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the drums. Yeah he did. He did.

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Speaker 2: He had two grandma seizures in early nineteen eighty. Yeah,

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and we actually talked about the grandma seizure that Tina

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Marie experienced during the top Gun episode. And a grandma

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seizure if you don't know, that's like laying on the

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ground shaking, you have no sort of awareness, can't do anything.

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Speaker 1: You know, right, And if you've seen any videos of

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Ian Curtis performing, he has this very unique dancing style

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which looks like an epileptic seizure. I mean, his eyes

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are big, his face is kind of like dumbfounded, and

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he's throwing his arms around like a fit. And so

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I could see how somebody was like, oh, it's just

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his way of dancing when he's having these seizures.

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Speaker 2: He would have seizures on stage and people think, oh,

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look at it, man, he's really passionate.

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Speaker 1: He's really into it right now. It's crazy. Yeah. So anyway, he.

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Speaker 2: You know, the lack of sleep, the long hours, you know,

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the seizures on stage. It was embarrass Yeah, he was

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embarrassed and ashamed.

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Speaker 1: And he had also at this point fallen in love

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with this Belgian journalist named Anika Nore and she actually

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later on went and formed the Belgian arm of the factory.

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So that's kind of a weird coincidence, okay, but he

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had developed deep feelings for her. She would later on

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say it was all platonic. I guess we should say

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he was married at the time. Yeah, he's a different woman.

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His wife did not believe it was platonic.

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Speaker 2: Let's back up just a second. He got married at

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nineteen and worked for the government, had a boring life. Yeah,

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he and his wife, you know, struggled to make it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then on the side, he's a punk rocker, right,

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you know, he aspired to be a musician, and then

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when he finally achieves it, falls in love with another woman.

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But he doesn't want to give up his wife and

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feels guilty. And I don't want to give up my girlfriend.

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I don't want to give up my wife. I kind

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of want to have both.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, and she gives I mean, she files for divorce,

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and she gives him an ultimatum and says, you cannot

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have any more contact with her. If you have more

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contact with her, we're done. And that's it. I'm just

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there's no other way about this. You have to sever

471
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,359
all contact with her. Then, on top of all of

472
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,519
those other stressors, the epilepsy, the unrequited love or love affair,

473
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,319
whatever it might have been. Sure, they also find out

474
00:23:15,519 --> 00:23:18,480
they're about to go to North America for a tour

475
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,640
of the United States, Right, big deal. Yeah, and the

476
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,160
rest of the band is elated. It's two big problems.

477
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,240
Number One, he's worried about how the crowds are going

478
00:23:27,279 --> 00:23:29,039
to treat him if he's going to have an epileptic

479
00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:31,839
seizure on stage, because Americans are not the nicest people

480
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,039
in concerts, right, I mean we've talked about Prince and

481
00:23:35,079 --> 00:23:39,000
what people did when he appeared. Yeah, and he's worried

482
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,279
about that. And he's also deathly afraid of flying, like

483
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,400
he had literally talked about how do I get there

484
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,039
by boat? Can I just take a boat over to America? Wow?

485
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,400
But anyway, all of those things are coming down hard

486
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:53,480
upon his head.

487
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,079
Speaker 2: So he had attempted suicide when he was sixteen years

488
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,799
old by overdosing on medication that he guy's hands, they.

489
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 1: Actually pumped his stomach.

490
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,599
Speaker 2: Well, all these stressors start to kind of rear their

491
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,599
ugly head, and people around him think, yeah, he's stressed out,

492
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,119
but he's not really in danger, right, right.

493
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 1: I mean you listen to people talk about him, they're

494
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,119
like everybody thinks, you know, who doesn't know him and

495
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,359
knows what happened, thinks he's this kind of dark, moody guy,

496
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,880
and he wasn't. He's a guy who cut up and

497
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,680
joked and playpool and drank with the boys. He's just

498
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,440
a regular bloke, is the thing you hear most often.

499
00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:32,160
But like so many regular blokes, people didn't know the

500
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,200
demons that he was truly dealing with. Yeah.

501
00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:37,079
Speaker 2: So he was talking to his wife and he said,

502
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,799
please stay with me tonight, and she felt like she

503
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,079
had to stay with him or else. Who knows what

504
00:24:43,079 --> 00:24:45,640
would have happened, right, Well, she stayed with him, and

505
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,200
then he told her to go away, don't come back. Yeah,

506
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,720
And then while she was gone, on April seventh, nineteen eighty,

507
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:53,720
he hanged himself.

508
00:25:02,079 --> 00:25:05,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, early morning hours. So according to Tony Wilson, before

509
00:25:05,799 --> 00:25:07,960
he did this, he did two things. He watched a

510
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,400
movie and he listened to an album. The movie he

511
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:16,240
watched is a movie called strosek Okay. It's by Vernon

512
00:25:16,319 --> 00:25:20,640
harzok Okay, famous director, but one of his earlier seventies movies.

513
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,160
I took a look at this movie. So here's the

514
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,119
plot line of the movie. Musician gets out of jail,

515
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:32,319
starts dating a prostitute, gets beaten severely. The prostitute leaves

516
00:25:32,319 --> 00:25:35,000
in a car and never comes back, and then he

517
00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:37,240
goes and kills himself. Does that sound familiar at all?

518
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,319
Sounds like the Reagan You story. It sounds like the

519
00:25:39,319 --> 00:25:41,880
Reagan you story, except that the Reagan You thing didn't happen,

520
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,119
wouldn't happen for another decade. Yeah, like another yeah, yeah.

521
00:25:46,039 --> 00:25:49,200
So I was like, oh my gosh, wow, and I

522
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:53,000
was just like, whoa, this is nuts. Then the album

523
00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:55,599
that he listened to we talked about in our last episode.

524
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,920
It was the one that David Bowie produced for Iggy

525
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:04,240
Pop call The Idiot, which you think, okay, so weird coincidence? Sure?

526
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:10,079
The album The Idiot got its title from a Russian novel.

527
00:26:10,279 --> 00:26:14,480
It's about an epileptic prince and there's an attempted suicide.

528
00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 2: What in the book get out of Town?

529
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: Where are you going to get that information? I don't

530
00:26:20,039 --> 00:26:23,200
know what the deal is with the songs that they're

531
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,640
picking for the Stranger Things, But why is it that

532
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,759
suicide seems to run a thread through all of them.

533
00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:33,599
That's just it's weird. It's crazy. It is very, very weird.

534
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,319
Speaker 2: This season alone, just on this series, we've talked about murder,

535
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,119
We've talked about suicide, We've talked about kidnapping, hangt hang

536
00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:46,799
two of them, I know, right? And Christmas songs?

537
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Christmas songs.

538
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,599
Speaker 2: Right, Hey, we got blocked on Facebook because we were

539
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,359
talking about these. They were like, hey, we're going to

540
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:57,519
talk about suicide and murder, drugs LSD and they're like, nope.

541
00:26:57,319 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: The zecond bery shut us down. Yeah they did hard.

542
00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:03,039
We look to Facebook jail over this stranger things. It's

543
00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:07,240
not us, all right, Blame Nora Felder exactly, exactly. Okay,

544
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,759
So he commits suicide, right, I mean literally, they're supposed

545
00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:14,519
to fly out the next next day, the next day,

546
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,799
and so their world is coming to a crashing halt.

547
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,400
Their lead singer is dead. They have to go to

548
00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:24,759
North America to tour. How are they going to do it?

549
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,400
Are you really going to start a new band? Yes

550
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:42,799
you are, Yes you are. Boys and girls, ladies and gentlemen.

551
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,400
We're going to talk about it in just a second.

552
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,519
But I hate to say it. We've gone this far

553
00:27:46,839 --> 00:27:49,319
and we have not yet said what the song I

554
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,680
know or where it appears in the episode. So the

555
00:27:53,759 --> 00:27:59,279
Joy Division song that we're going to talk about is Atmosphere.

556
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,519
The Atmosphere was not on one of their two albums

557
00:28:31,519 --> 00:28:34,720
that the band released. It came out as a single

558
00:28:35,079 --> 00:28:40,160
after Unknown Pleasures, but before closer, and it came out

559
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:47,480
exactly two months before Ian Curtis hanged himself interesting March eighteenth. Now,

560
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,400
obviously record stores get it earlier than that, Okay. I

561
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,480
mentioned in one of our episodes recently that James Buckley

562
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,559
pointed out that it would not be the last mention

563
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,759
of suicide or John Peel. John Peele played this song

564
00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:02,960
for the first time on his show on March eleventh,

565
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,519
a week before its release nineteen eighty. The next day

566
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:11,279
he played the B side, which is Dead Souls, which

567
00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:14,839
is also a fantastic song and one that I will

568
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,160
talk about in our next episode a little bit. If

569
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,519
you don't know Dead Souls from Joy Division, if you've

570
00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:24,640
seen the movie The Crow Nine inch Nails covers that song,

571
00:29:24,759 --> 00:29:27,880
it's the scene where Eric Draven is running from rooftop

572
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,599
to rooftop and it is it's intense, and it's awesome,

573
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,000
and it's a great cover of that song. It's entrancing,

574
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,519
it's beautiful. And I will say now for our listeners

575
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:40,440
the same thing that I say. It said to James

576
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,359
when I called them to ask him what the appeal

577
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,079
of Joy Division was. I don't really like this guy's voice.

578
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you and I talked about this, and he's been

579
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,440
dead and buried for forty two years now, so yeah,

580
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:51,119
we can kind.

581
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: Of discuss it now soon. Right.

582
00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:57,079
Speaker 2: It's interesting, it's deep, it's kind of nasally, but it

583
00:29:57,319 --> 00:30:00,000
sounds it's not it's not my taste.

584
00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: Even though it's not my taste, I find myself singing

585
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,720
the song in that voice, like I'm wandering around throughout

586
00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:10,039
my day and I'll just be I'll just start singing

587
00:30:10,079 --> 00:30:13,079
the lyrics to that song. It's just it's not a

588
00:30:13,119 --> 00:30:16,119
pretty voice to listen to, but it does something that hooks.

589
00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:21,240
It hooks you in and the music is awesome. I

590
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:24,519
love it very It sets the tone. Yeah, so I

591
00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:27,319
don't think we mentioned it, but this song comes in

592
00:30:27,519 --> 00:30:30,839
at three minutes and fifty two seconds into the episode.

593
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,680
As you recall, the end of the last episode is

594
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,960
when they discovered what appeared to be the body of

595
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,599
Will Byers, and this one, the name of this episode

596
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,640
is the Body, because it's all this question of is

597
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,480
this really the body? Right? But the beginning of the

598
00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:49,319
episode is obvious, this kind of you know, like you've

599
00:30:49,319 --> 00:30:53,279
been hitting the head muted in shock, ambient noise going

600
00:30:53,319 --> 00:30:57,160
on for the first nearly four minutes, as Jim is

601
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,880
trying to tell Joyce that they've found Will's body and

602
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,559
that she's got to understand that he's really dead, and

603
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,799
he understands why she's acting the way she is and

604
00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:09,240
believes he's still alive. And he went through the same

605
00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:12,039
thing with his daughter. And then he leaves, and that's

606
00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:16,240
when this song thumps in and what a crazy like.

607
00:31:16,359 --> 00:31:18,759
I don't even understand the meaning of the scene. But

608
00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:21,279
she's going out to the shed and she's getting in

609
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:24,359
an axe, right, and what's going to happen we don't know,

610
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,279
but this music playing in the background of that scene,

611
00:31:27,359 --> 00:31:42,880
it intensifies it. It's magnificent, perfect, perfect song for that moment.

612
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:43,279
It's great.

613
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: It's great, And is the body Will is not Will?

614
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,799
Speaker 1: We're not sure spoiler alert, it's not. Well. Well, the

615
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,319
actor has been in all of the following seasons. I

616
00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:55,839
think everybody can guess that one, right. Yes, So we

617
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,640
both like the song. Yeah, not real high on his voice,

618
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,880
but still the music. I'll listen to this. Here's the thing.

619
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're gonna just briefly touch on this. Once

620
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,400
Ian Curtis dies, the rest of the group pulls themselves

621
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,720
together and says, I guess we need a new singer.

622
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,640
Let's change the name and move on to something else,

623
00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:18,759
and they become New Order.

624
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we will be talking about them on our

625
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,079
next episode, right, so hold that thought till next time.

626
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,839
Stick a pin and we got some fun stuff for

627
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,519
you for New Order. I will just tell you they

628
00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:31,000
did after his death, which, like I said, it was

629
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:33,960
only two months later, they re released this song and

630
00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:37,880
they changed the B side from Dead Souls understandable sure

631
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,640
to She's Lost Control, which is still I mean, that's

632
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,920
the song that everybody's like, did he write this about himself?

633
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,400
Because Sezure song? Right, yeah, it's the Seizure song. So

634
00:32:45,559 --> 00:32:47,480
I can understand why you don't want Dead Souls as

635
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,079
your B side on the two month old single that

636
00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:54,079
the guy just killed himself. But why'd they pick other

637
00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:58,680
than it's it's also probably a single worthy song, right yeah?

638
00:32:58,720 --> 00:32:59,119
I don't know.

639
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:02,839
Speaker 2: Interesting short lived joy Division makes a big impact, starts

640
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,640
a lot of bands, yeah, impacts the eighties really yeah, okay.

641
00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: Real quick. There is actually a music video for this song,

642
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,759
as you know that. No, I haven't seen it. Yeah,

643
00:33:11,599 --> 00:33:14,640
it's weird. It's very weird. It didn't get released. They

644
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,440
filmed it early on, but it didn't get released until

645
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,079
this song was re released back in nineteen eighty eight.

646
00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:22,759
And it's like bizar, it's black and white. It's got

647
00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:27,960
these hooded cloaked very strange video, but it fits the

648
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,359
tone of the song for sure. Okay, So this song

649
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,559
reached the top of the UK Indie chart in October

650
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,160
of nineteen eighty hit the number two spot on that

651
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,640
same chart when they re released it in nineteen eighty eight. Okay,

652
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,279
So you mentioned John Peel's BBC radio program Listen to

653
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:46,839
This Little Nugget. In two thousand, the song Atmosphere was

654
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:51,519
voted greatest song of the millennium by his listeners. It's

655
00:33:51,559 --> 00:33:54,119
good they use this song. I talked about the movie

656
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:57,480
that they had made about Tony Wilson, the record label journalist,

657
00:33:57,559 --> 00:34:00,319
a guy called twenty four Hour Party. People use this

658
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,519
song right after the scene where Ian Curtis commits suicide.

659
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,759
They use this song at the end of his biopic,

660
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,480
which was called Control. And then when Tony Wilson, the

661
00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:13,199
real person, actually died, they played it at aneral. So

662
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,320
this I think for Joy Division fans, this is it

663
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,519
this is the one top of the list song for sure.

664
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,960
Cool awesome, all right, that does it for the song

665
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,000
that's at the very beginning. There's only one other song

666
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:25,960
in this episode for us to talk about, and that

667
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:40,480
is Color Dreams by The Deep. Have you heard of

668
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,719
The Deep? Never? No? And there's a reason for that.

669
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,360
This is the only album they made and they only

670
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,400
got together to make the album. They didn't tour as

671
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,320
a group. And this song comes in in the episode.

672
00:34:51,519 --> 00:34:53,880
What was our time signature on them? Time signature thirty

673
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,559
four minutes and three seconds. Right, So it's the scene

674
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,519
where Popper is talking to the state trooper who found

675
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,760
Will's supposed body. So they're in a bar having a drink.

676
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,599
He's questioning the guy, acting like a good guy until

677
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,079
he calls him out on the line and the guy's like,

678
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,239
you know, thanks for running the game, dick. And then

679
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,519
the next scene, Hopper has beaten the crap out of

680
00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:17,760
the guy in the alley to get information from him,

681
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,239
and that's when we find out it was this app right,

682
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,519
the song that's playing, Color Dreams. You can't hear it,

683
00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:26,840
I mean you can hear a little twinkling of it,

684
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,320
but not only are both of the guys talking throughout

685
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,280
the scene, but you've got the game playing throughout the scene.

686
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,199
So you've got announcing going on, two guys talking, and

687
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,239
in the very limited background you can hear the jukebox

688
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,599
playing this song. Now, this song was by the Deep

689
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,760
You got who are founder of the Deepest Rusty Evans,

690
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,880
Rusty Evans, world.

691
00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:50,159
Speaker 2: Famous, Rusty Evans rock star extraordinary.

692
00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:52,559
Speaker 1: The only guy who really had a career before they

693
00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:55,480
made this album, right, And basically what happened was he

694
00:35:55,639 --> 00:35:58,199
was just kind of of a folk music guy, like

695
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,519
almost rockabilly stuff. Yes, and he says to his buddy

696
00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:06,480
Marcus Barkin, yes, hey, let's go record a psychedelic album.

697
00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:09,039
And the guy's like, what right, And so for twelve

698
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:13,039
hundred bucks, they get some other musicians around and they

699
00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:16,559
go to this place to record this album. But it's

700
00:36:16,639 --> 00:36:20,440
important in musical history because it is the first album

701
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,519
that has the word psychedelic in the title.

702
00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is a series of bad decisions in

703
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:31,000
my opinion. Okay, So one guy who can play guitar

704
00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:33,639
and can sing goes to his buddies says, hey, let's

705
00:36:33,639 --> 00:36:35,559
produce this psychedelic album.

706
00:36:35,639 --> 00:36:37,039
Speaker 1: Nobody knows what that means yet.

707
00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 2: It's literally the first album with the word psychedelic in

708
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,000
the title, and he's like, yeah, it's gonna be great

709
00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:46,719
psychedelic moods. Psychedelic moods, that's right. Yeah, So we're gonna

710
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,599
drive from New York to Philadelphia. We'll write music on

711
00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:52,239
the way, we'll figure it out as we go. They

712
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,599
go twelve hundred bucks, which that's cheap, even for cheap

713
00:36:55,639 --> 00:36:58,159
albums back then. Yeah, they spend four days on it.

714
00:36:58,199 --> 00:36:59,760
One of the session guys they bring in to play

715
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,880
the he quits midstream and it's supposed to be kind

716
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,800
of like an LSD trip. Is the idea of the psychogetry,

717
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,280
So I wonder what they used for inspiration for that.

718
00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:13,719
Just imagine that you're like, Okay, we're gonna we're getting

719
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,800
hired for like a three day gig. Okay, oh we

720
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,400
got to drop acid and then we play this sounds

721
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,360
like a great idea, Yeah, sure, Well it worked for

722
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,159
people who were doing stuff later on, it did. It's

723
00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:26,159
not as though that wasn't unsuccessful, right, But in this

724
00:37:26,199 --> 00:37:29,679
particular instance, it was not successful. They would later go on.

725
00:37:30,199 --> 00:37:32,800
I think maybe a couple of the guys played together again.

726
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: They changed their name. The next album was called Psychedelic

727
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,119
Soul with ps ou L. How funny is that? And

728
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,000
it's clever. Yeah, And so they were, you know, again,

729
00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:47,199
an unsuccessful album. They they were doing stuff that nobody

730
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,840
was interested in. And that's probably how this song ended

731
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,519
up in the background of a Stranger Things episode. It

732
00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:54,519
was cheap, nobody cared, so you can get it cheap.

733
00:37:54,679 --> 00:37:57,199
Speaker 2: That's very true, and that's why it's it's in there.

734
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,119
But the producer, Mark Burkin, when they got done with it,

735
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:02,480
he sent it to the publisher for the Beatles.

736
00:38:02,679 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: Oh okay, named Dick James.

737
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Dick James is like, yeah, you know, uh,

738
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,880
I'll pay you guys to distribute this, and they're like,

739
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:09,840
no way, man, this is.

740
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: Going to be a hit. We don't need your help.

741
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I know you're with the Beatles and everything,

742
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,480
but we got this right.

743
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: Yeah what that's great.

744
00:38:19,159 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 2: This goes along with the decisions to write songs and

745
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,360
sleep in the studio and all that stuff.

746
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, could have been much bigger. Okay, So I

747
00:38:26,559 --> 00:38:29,119
told you I had a special little nugget on this one. Yes,

748
00:38:29,159 --> 00:38:32,880
I'm ready, You're ready, Yes, Okay, so Marcus Sparkin, the producer,

749
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,400
the guy who Rusty Evans talked into doing this right.

750
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,440
He would go on to be the music supervisor in

751
00:38:38,519 --> 00:38:40,599
a show that you know and love that The first

752
00:38:40,599 --> 00:38:43,360
season was directed by Richard Donner, which we talked about

753
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,400
in our Lethal Weapon episode Stopping was the musical director

754
00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:58,880
for the Banana Splits Adventure hour. That is mind blowing.

755
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,119
There you go. I'd like to have at least one

756
00:39:01,159 --> 00:39:05,159
interesting thing to say about the song. But anyway, so

757
00:39:05,679 --> 00:39:07,440
boys and girls, ladies and gentlemen, go ahead.

758
00:39:07,679 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say one banana, two banana, three,

759
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,639
banana four. Yeah, I love the Banana Splits.

760
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a little before my time. You're older

761
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:16,280
than me.

762
00:39:16,599 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 2: I mean I watched this in my underrews at my

763
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:20,519
grandma's house.

764
00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: So there's a metal picture. I don't need incredible unders everyone. Okay, guys,

765
00:39:26,039 --> 00:39:28,880
that does it for this episode. We are taking a

766
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,639
bit of a break. We got some catching up to

767
00:39:30,679 --> 00:39:33,360
do and we want to do a re release. This

768
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,360
month is the month two years ago that we lost

769
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:39,960
dear Eddie van Halen, so we are bringing you a

770
00:39:40,519 --> 00:39:44,199
return of our three original episodes on Van Halen and

771
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,840
Van Hagar. That will be over the next three weeks,

772
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,079
and then we'll be back with you for more exciting stuff.

773
00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:54,079
Speaker 2: You know, we haven't done a great job of explaining

774
00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:56,519
ourselves because I've had more than I've had four or

775
00:39:56,559 --> 00:39:58,719
five or six. People say, are you guys gonna do

776
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,519
like the entire run of Stranger Things. No, we're just

777
00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:05,239
going through season one. So this is episode four.

778
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 1: Put a cap on this.

779
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,559
Speaker 2: We'll do five, six, seven, and eight, and then we'll

780
00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:11,440
be back into our regular rotation per season four.

781
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,599
Speaker 1: There you go. How about that season four of us?

782
00:40:14,639 --> 00:40:16,840
Four of us not a strange not Strange Things. That's right,

783
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,000
because why would we skip two and three. We've been

784
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,039
doing this for three years. It's crazy. It's awesome. Yeap,

785
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,199
love you guys. Thank you so much for the support.

786
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,480
We will see you next week, Tay. Guys,