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Speaker 3: We're talking about government efficiency, waste, fraud and abuse. In
a very interesting interview last night, Brett Bair did a
like thirty five minutes sit down with Elon Musk and
in the Doge Boys about all of the things that
they have found some shocking clips coming out of that.
Before we get into some of that interview, I want
to jump back to our phone lines. Mark's been hanging
on for the last couple of minutes. Market afternoon. You're
on the Peak Calendar Show with Nick Craig. What's going on?
Speaker 4: Hey, Nick, thanks for taking my call. Sure, Yeah, I
just wanted to say I'm preaching to the choir here,
so this is more of a PSA. But I started
my career in the military, and within a few years
in the federal government, and then I couldn't stand it anymore.
Basically saw you know, gross incompetence, laziness, et cetera. So
I left that and went for many years in the
you know, big companies and was responsible for a lot
of groups overseeing M and A and the associated rationalization
of those groups. That's something you never see in the government.
There's no incentives to do that. The only incentives in
government is just to continually grow the and there's never
any feedback to cut that. So I think the difference
that's happening with Doge and the cabinet members is they're
looking at it horizontally from an organizational perspective with the
cabinet guys, and then the vertical is everything that Elon
and his group can do from a financial perspective and
following the money. So in short, we're well overdue for this.
My fear is that once this is done, it's not
put in place to be repeatable and continually do. And
my last comment is when they do that, it's almost
like these bills that are built by lobbyists, And you know,
why do you think these numbers are always like fifty billion,
you know, or one hundred billion. Right, there's no there's
no bottom up estimates or direct correlation of where the
money's going.
Speaker 5: And I'll end.
Speaker 4: I'll end with this appreciation time is bringing it back
locally as an investor in homes, when I since I
have everything paid for, when I pay my taxes at
the end of the year, you know, half of my
property tax goes to meclaburse schools. Oh yeah, which, as
we know, which can't be controlled. And the state lost
the Supreme Court case with trying to hold them accountable
with metrics, So we have that problem locally as well.
Speaker 3: It's in all forms of government market. And let me
say not only thanks for the call this afternoon, but
thanks for your service to our country and appreciate that
and your comments. It reminds me of a story or
a conversation I was having with a buddy. This is
probably about two months ago. He works for a government
contractor that works in the military space. That's as broad
as I'm going to get with it. And he was
at a trade show and got up in and was
chatting with an individual at the trade show that had
just started working within the federal government in some avenue
of the military and the guy telled him that he
started like maybe six months before they had this conversation,
and he's an engineer working for the federal government. And
he started his new position and he was banging out
jobs very quickly. Right that somebody had come with him
to him with a request, Hey, we need this engineer,
we need this looked at, we need this put together,
whether it was cat or some sort of auto draft
design whatever. And he was he was banging out these projects,
getting him done very quickly. And then his co workers
came over to him, and this was after he was
there a couple of weeks and said, hey, man, you
got to slow down. They told him, you're handing out
these projects too quickly, You're working too efficiently. You got
to slow this down. We typically take six to eight
weeks to get back to people when they you know,
they come to us and say they need something done.
We typically have a six to eight week turnaround. So
here's a guy, younger guy, retired from the military, now
working for the federal government in the engineering field, who
is being told by his co workers that he needs
to slow his role and he needs to work at
a slower pace because he was getting too many jobs
done too quickly. Have you ever heard of that happening
anywhere else? If you went down and drove down to
any business in Charlotte today, walked into the front door
and said, I demand to speak to the CEO of
this company and asked them, have you ever encouraged your
employees to do things at a slower pace? Have you
ever said to your team, Hey, you guys are working
too quickly and too efficiently. You need to slow this down.
You need to drag the process out and make things
take longer. I think you'd be hard pressed to find
anybody in private business that operates in that manner. But
that is a just a real example relayed to me
from a good friend of mine as to how things
happen within the federal government. This idea that you just
slow walk and it's normal and acceptable for things that
should take just two weeks to take six or eight weeks.
And what are you gonna do? What's the alternative? If
you're inside government asking other government for help, what are
you gonna do? There's nowhere else to go. You're not
gonna shop around and find somebody else to do it.
You've got to stay within your channel. You've got to
stay within your within your avenue, within your road, and
that's within the federal government. So you need some engineering
project done, you need some AutoCAD thing drafted. This is
where you go. And if it takes six to eight weeks,
well then your project gets delayed by six to eight weeks.
Who cares just the process?
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 3: I wasn't shocked to hear that story. I wasn't necessarily
surprised to hear that story, but there was a certain
part of me that thought, like, okay, it's as bad
as I thought it was. When the story was being
relayed to me a couple of weeks ago, I thought,
you know, okay, I'm not surprised, but yeah, it kind
of pins home every single issue I thought was going
on in the federal government exemplified right here in real time.
Seven oh four or five, seven eleven ten, Catherine's hanging
online once. She's got a story about some friends in DC. Catherine,
you're on the Calendar Show with Nick Craig.
Speaker 7: Go ahead, Hi, Yeah, I first story I heard of many,
well quite a few since then, is from a lady
teaching Bible ladies Bible study at my church, and she
was the supervisor manager of a contracting firm that was
hired to help out in a department in Washington, d C.
And she personally went there with her team and she
said to me that what she was able to do
in half an hour, it took the people there in
that department eight.
Speaker 3: Hours to do. That's a nice full day worth of
work you can get done there, Catherine. Eight hours thirty
minute project. I mean, that sounds pretty good to me.
Speaker 7: And I have another story of a nurse and a
fellow nurse had a good friend, very good close friend
in Washington, d C. Who told her her friend was
a federal employee working in a department there and told
her that some assistant secretary of I don't know what
it was, Secretary Labor or whatever, but the assistant secretary
came to tour their offices where her friend worked, and
she said her friend told her that they had a
hard time in her department, looking busy for the hour
that the assistant secretary toured the place.
Speaker 3: I'm sure you can there's probably some YouTube video you
can pull up and full screen on your computer that
makes it look like you're clicking back and forth between
Excel spreadsheets and all of this stuff done first.
Speaker 7: These are just two of several stories. One lady I
know of. She I was sitting next to her, I
think on a plane or train ride, and she had
worked in a department there in Washington, d C. And
it was a good job. And I said, well why
did you leave? And she said, I just couldn't handle
not working. I just I like to stay busy.
Speaker 3: That's exactly, Catherine, to your point, that's exactly what we
just heard from the previous caller. And appreciate your call
this afternoon. Those stories at seven oh four, five, seven
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Speaker 3: Talking about some stories out of the government and just
the baked in inefficiencies that exist right there, exist there,
right now. Let's head on over to line three, say
good afternoon to Dave. Who's hanging on the line. Davey,
you are on the Peak Counter show with Nick Craig.
Speaker 8: Go ahead, Hey, hello neck, this is Eve from rock Hill.
I've been retired now three years, so put forty plus
years in manufacturing, went from you know, hands on to
managerial to the et cetera. So I may just give
you a couple of stories and what people say about
what you've been talking about. So I had a friend
I knew who was a union electrician, so graduated from
high school and got him the job, went into work,
and of course he had all skill sets, told him
miss his whole life, started doing all the wiring. Well,
someone came along and started with a hammer blasting all
of his work. It was outlet's boom boom, boom, boom.
You're doing too many. You're allowed to do this many
because it's a union job. Stop turn, go get lost somewhere.
And then in my profession, you had estimations you had
to do so many things per hour, or this job
took so many hours. Stay for instance, you were the
essenate was way off and you were able to get
it done in two hours, but it was estimated for
eight there are people there that literally would milk the
rest of the day, I get paid for eight and
do nothing else. And then as a manager, I would
square that when the clock struck the start hour, there
were people there that would say to themselves, Okay, let
me see what can I not do today? And you'd
see that in certain individuals over and over again. Of course,
you'd have to read them out to get the doers
and not the people that wanted to do less but
do more. So we had a phrase. We had a saying,
when the paychecks got handed out, thank you, you earned your paycheck.
And those people knew they earned their paycheck. The others
they got their paycheck get wrapped. And that's the same
thing that I feel that's happening with the efficiency in
our government, et cetera. These things are the word gift,
of course is wrong, but super unearned. And you know,
I'm so glad to see that we are cutting back
and handling things like we would handle our own finances
at home.
Speaker 3: So I love that, Dave, I'm so glad you brought
up that last part about your own finances. I'd like
I talk about this a lot on my on my
Nick Craig show podcast this idea. I mean, every single day, Dave,
you and I and everybody else listening makes decisions about
how we're going to handle our personal finances from are
we going to buy a seven dollars cup of coffee
out or are we going to make one at home
for you know, eighteen cents or however much it costs
to make coffee at home with filters and a little
bit of ground coffee.
Speaker 6: We make those decisions day.
Speaker 8: The problem is yeah, the problem is Nick. People don't
know how to say no. They think everything is yes, yes, yes, yes,
more and more and more and more. And there's there's
a guy used to listen to decades ago every day
before work. His name was doctor Robert King. He was
the dean of King's College, Christian and he would say,
as a boy growing up, there was too much month
left at the end of the money. And so many
people don't know that that that's real. There's too much
month left at the end of m same thing with
our government. You know, I can go on and on.
I'm South Carolina, you know, I'm very fortunate we have
a balanced budget here in South Carolina. Now, I had
another friend just to share this with you. He was
in government and a local city nearby, very very close
to you, and he would have to go to seminars
throughout the country. Well, he met other people in these
seminars with his same position from other parts of the
country that their buildings, they were ejected from their buildings
or maybe that's the wrong word, because they couldn't pay
their bills because they didn't have the balanced budget and
it wasn't there as they couldn't pay the rent, et cetera.
They were that's the word evicted. And this is government facilities.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 8: So you know there's a time and a point where
people have to say no.
Speaker 3: No was the answer, and that's and that's really tough
as you look at what's going on right now, Dave,
thanks for the call. Great stories this afternoon at seven
oh four five, seven eleven ten. When you look at
the no that you're talking about, right, this has never
happened before in government. Government has never been told now
and let let let me make sure I'm clear with this.
The fault is not the employee. The individuals that are
attempting to do their work. Are going back to the
story I relayed in the last segment, The fault is
not with the guy that wants to do his job.
The fault is the apparatus that is government that has
told these individuals, that has created the environment where there is,
in fact, not only no incentive to get the work done,
but they actively work against getting the work done in
a quick and efficient manner.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 3: It's the overall government system as a whole. There are
so many great individuals, hard working individuals that have to
try and play this game within state, federal, and local
governments day in and day out. They're not bad people,
they're not bad workers. It's the system as a whole
that is broken that encourages this kind of activity to
take place, Plain and simple. It is a system issue,
and it is being turned upside down on its head
right now at the national level.
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Speaker 3: I want to get into this interview. Last night, Brett
Bair did like a thick, a thirty or thirty five
minutes sit down with Elon Musk and the boys over
at DOZE, the Department of Government Efficiency, and it was
a very eye opening interview. We've heard from Elon and
we've seen a lot of him in media. He's done
plenty of interviews with people like Sean Hannity and other
folks on Fox. He's done Joe Rogan and a couple
of other podcasts over the last few months, and we've
got some insight into what's going on in DOGE, what's
going on within the Department of Government Efficiency. This interview
by Brett Baar yesterday was really really well done, and
I'm just going to take it right from the top.
Starts asking Elon some questions and we'll just take it
from there, jump in a little bit here and there,
and of course your calls as well. At seven oh
four five seven eleven ten, here's a last night's interview
with Brett Baer and the Elon Muskin DOES team.
Speaker 9: Thanks for having us and doing this. I know there's
a lot of interest in this, you know. First let
me start with you, Elon. What are the budgetary savings
goals and how much do you think you've achieved so far.
Speaker 1: Our goal is to reduce the deficit by a trillion dollars,
so from a nominal depth SIT of two trillion to
track cut the depth sit in half to one trillion,
or looked at it in total federal spending, to drop
the federal spending from seven trillion to six trillion. We
want to reduce the spending by eliminating waste and forward
reduce the spending by fifteen percent, which seems really quite achievable.
The government is not efficient and there's a lot of
waste forward, so we feel confident that fifteen percent reduction
can be done without affecting any of the critical government services.
Speaker 6: I'm going to talk.
Speaker 3: Isn't that remarkable? I'm just going to stop it right there.
Elon musk over what he's learned in the last couple
of months, believes that he can do a fifteen percent
cut to the government essentially have not essentially have no
impact on what the government does, none of the services
they provide, nothing a fifteen percent cut.
Speaker 6: And you heard from him there at the top.
Speaker 3: The current deficits about two trillion dollars a year. They're
not even talking about reverting that back completely. They're trying
to just cut it in half a trillion dollars in savings.
Speaker 6: It's a remarkable amount. More from the interview.
Speaker 9: At making it better and talk to all the guys
here about the specifics. But for you, what's the most
astonishing thing you've found out in this process?
Speaker 1: The sheer amount of waste and ford in the government.
It is astonishing it's mind blowing. Just we routinely encounter
wastes of a billion dollars or more casually. You know,
for example, like the simple survey that was literally ten
questions survey that you could do with survey monkey ushed
about ten thousand dollars. Was the government was being charged
almost a billion dollars for that for just a survey.
A billion dollars for a simple online survey do you
like the national park? And then there pays me no
feedback loop for what will be done with that survey.
So to say we would just go to nothing, it
was like good saying.
Speaker 6: You technically or especially was just insane. I saw.
Speaker 3: Hold on a second, here, the federal government was spending
a billion dollars on a survey about parks, National Park survey.
They spend a billion to somebody who's charging them a
billion dollars to conduct that survey. I don't how do
you even begin to wrap your head around how that's
even possible. I mean, you can go on Google. You
have a free Gmail account, and you can go on
Google and create a Google.
Speaker 6: Form for free and collect feedback.
Speaker 3: Let's say you needed a higher level service than the
free Google form. Okay, I'll give you that you spend
a couple thousand dollars on a on a subscription to
some online survey company and get it done.
Speaker 6: But no, that's not good enough for the federal government.
Speaker 3: We've got to spend a billion dollars getting a survey
on national parts. It's absurd, and it's all over the
government at every single level of not only the FEDS,
but locally and in the States. This is the status
quo for government. There's never been any incentive to cut costs.
There's never been any incentive to do things quote unquote
on the cheap. So yeah, if it costs a billion
dollars to collect what kind of tree somebody likes in
a national force, who cares not our money?
Speaker 6: Right, we can just continue to spend it. Nobody's the wiser.
Speaker 9: A government employee. And you're supposed to be one hundred
and thirty days. Are you going to continue past that
or do you think that's what you're going to do?
Speaker 1: Or well, I think we will accomplish most of the
work required to reduce the FID by trillion dollars within
that timeframe.
Speaker 9: So in that timeframe one hundred and thirty days, and
the process is a report at some point at one
hundred days, not really a report.
Speaker 1: We are cutting the waste and prod in real time,
so every day that passes. Our goal is to reduce
the waste and prod by four billion dollars a day,
every day, seven days a week. And so far we
are succeeding.
Speaker 9: And I'm going to talk to the specifics. But there
obviously are DOGE critics who are reading all kinds of stuff.
Obviously lawmakers on the other side of the aisle are
attacking you, and they characterize the approach is this fire
ready and then aim, and.
Speaker 6: How do you approach that?
Speaker 9: How do you respond to that?
Speaker 1: Well, I do agree that we actually want to be
careful in the cuts. So we want to measure twice
if not thrice, and cut once. And actually that is
our approach. They may characterize it as shooting from the hip,
but it is anything at that. Which is not to
say that we don't make mistakes. If we were to
approach this with the standard of making no mistakes at all,
that would be like saying some in baseball's got a
bat a thousand. That's impossible. So when we do make mistakes,
we correct them quickly.
Speaker 6: And we move on.
Speaker 3: You know that right there is I'm glad Elon Musk
characterized it the way that he said, use the word thrice,
which you don't hear very often. Measure not once twice,
but thrice if you believe the characteristic of the characterization
of this from the left. You've even heard our own
governor Josh Stein make the joke during his State of
the State address that Elon Musk's taking a chainsaw to
the federal government. He's just in there willy nilly, waving
around a chainsaw, cutting anything and everything that has a pause. Well,
let's see, who do I believe the governor of North
Carolina who's getting his talking points from left wing hack
media outlets, or the guy that's actually doing it and
the team that is you know, if you watched this
interview last night. I know we're not on an audio
platform right now, but if you watch this interview last night,
who do I believe the guy that's doing it and
the team that's sitting behind him, or a bunch of
left wing hacks on MSNBC. I think I'm gonna have
to say I believe e La Musk in this case.
He even says, yeah, We've made mistakes. We're going to
continue to make mistakes. When we make those, we're gonna
correct it. How refreshing is that to hear? I mean,
you don't need any smoke blown at you or anything.
We're going to make mistakes. When we do, We'll do
our best to fix them. That is so refreshing to hear.
I'm not sure that has ever been said in relation
to the federal government, not once.
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Speaker 3: So I want to go back to some more of
this interview. Brett bahar elon Musk the DOGE team talking
about some of the issues last night on Fox News.
They're his exclusive interview. Take a listen.
Speaker 9: Some people say this shouldn't take a rocket scientist, Steve Davis,
you are a rocket scientist. It used to be yeah,
and now essentially you're the chief operating officer of DOCH
day to day operations.
Speaker 5: Fair to say, yeah, part of part of the Dose team.
Speaker 6: So how did you end up here?
Speaker 9: What's the biggest challenge?
Speaker 8: You see?
Speaker 5: The reason I'm here, which is probably for many, is
that I think the goal is incredibly inspiring. I think
most of the taxpayers in the country would agree that
in order to have the country going bankrupt would be
a very bad thing, and therefore the country going not
bankrupt is a good thing that all of us are
willing to kind of put our lives on hold in
order to do. I think the thing that's special right
now is we actually believe there's a chance to succeed,
that there's an administration that's supportive and a great cabinet
and just a great group that will actually make success
a possible outcome. And I think that's given the inspiring
mission and given the non zero chance of success, it
was worth dowing.
Speaker 1: I just like to sort of rehempasize that point. The
success of those is only possible with President Trump and
with the outstanding cabinet that he selected. It would be
impossible without the support of the President and the cabinet.
Speaker 6: But you're finding the money.
Speaker 9: I mean it's big numbers, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Like Leon said, the minimum impulse bate is often a
billion dollars. So for example, the eight hundred and thirty
million dollars which was the online survey, that's an enormous
amount of money.
Speaker 3: Oh, this is this is that Forest Service eight and
thirty million dollars for a survey for the Forest Service.
Speaker 6: What is the survey? Is everybody that filled it out
get a free gold bar something.
Speaker 3: I mean, how is that even possible, idn't I don't
know how you could even spend that kind of money
for an online survey dealing with national parks.
Speaker 6: That's absurd.
Speaker 5: That wouldn't have been found if the dog isn't working
with it in that case the Department of Interior. But
then taking it one step further, Doge then publish it
publishes these things on our website for maximum transparency. Now
the general public. It would have been impossible for the
general public to have seen that. Now anyone can just
log into Dodock of any time and see these payments
as they're not yet in real time. They're close, but
they're probably be in real time with the next few weeks.
Speaker 9: But the process it still evolves Congress right at some level.
Speaker 1: We try to keep Congress as informed as possible. But
the Lord does say that money needs to be spent correctly.
It should not be spent fortunately or wastefully. It's not
contrary to Congress to avoid waste and for it. It is
consistent with the law and consistent with Congress. And we've
seen actually great support, at least from the Republican side
of the house. And occasionally it's not Democrats too. You know,
it's nice to see people cross the out once in
a while, but usually when they attack doors, they never
attack any of the specifics. So they'll say what we're
doing is somehow unconstitutional or legal or whatever. We're like, well,
which line of the cost savings do you disagree with?
And they count point twenty and we list them all
on those stuck up and the dose handle one x
and you'll see just outrageous things, one outrageous thing after another.
Speaker 6: Jill Gavir, that's exactly the case.
Speaker 3: And Eli Musk is absolutely he mentioned earlier of batting
a thousand, he's batting a thousand with that, and it
harpens imperfectly to what we were talking about earlier. If
you are against this, well, first of all, why are
you against this? But if you are against it, what
is the reason why? What do you do and or
what do you believe is going to be the fruits
of the of your labors as a taxpayer, as an
individual that is funding the government. Why are you okay
with the waste? Why are you okay with the fraud?
Why are you okay with the National Park Service? Spending
eight hundred million dollars on a survey eight hundred million dollars.
Speaker 6: What do you believe that you are getting? What is
the ROI?
Speaker 3: The return on investment on an eight hundred million dollar
survey ten question survey from the Forest Service or from
the National Park Service. I don't care what the ROI is.
It's not worth eight hundred plus million dollars. This is
a survey that could have been conducted literally for free,
using tools readily available, or if not, maybe a couple hundred,
couple thousand dollars at the absolute most.
Speaker 6: But no federal government's involved.
Speaker 3: All these bids and contracts and everybody enriching themselves, everybody
lining their pockets with cash from US taxpayers.
Speaker 6: Now sounds like that survey, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Needs a cost in the ballpark of, you know, eight
hundred million dollars or so, just to drop in the bucket.
It's like you dropping a quarter on the side of
the street. It's what it's like for the federal government,
eight hundred million dollars on a survey. It's absolutely remarkable.
Speaker 2: All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you
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