1 00:00:11,199 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: At a book in. 2 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,359 Speaker 2: Tonight's guests or brothers who want to keep their identities anonymous. 3 00:01:31,439 --> 00:01:33,280 With that in mind, I'm just going to call them 4 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,799 Carl and Billy. Carl and Billy, thanks so much for 5 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:37,480 joining us. 6 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: Thanks for having us. Vick, Well, it's. 7 00:01:41,439 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: Great having you. Thank you for your time. Carl, Please 8 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,840 give us a brief bio in yourself. 9 00:01:48,599 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: Well, I'm actually a mechanic by trade, anything Carl related, 10 00:01:55,239 --> 00:01:58,760 faint numb and all sorts of stuff. And I actually 11 00:01:58,879 --> 00:02:04,239 am married. I have been for I guess about ten 12 00:02:04,319 --> 00:02:08,280 years now, have two kids, one of them is six 13 00:02:08,599 --> 00:02:13,479 little boy and twelve year old girl. Just a pretty straightforward, 14 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,360 normal guy for the most part, I do. How I 15 00:02:16,479 --> 00:02:19,960 want to also mention that I spent a whole lot 16 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,439 of time well, me and my brother, both of us 17 00:02:22,719 --> 00:02:25,639 grew up in the woods and in the country and stuff, 18 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,759 so we're very aware of animals and stuff like that, 19 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,439 especially me more so. I was the kind of kid 20 00:02:32,479 --> 00:02:36,240 that liked to always watch animal shows or read animal 21 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,319 books and all sorts of stuff. We were always in 22 00:02:39,879 --> 00:02:43,240 catching snakes and you name it, we were outside doing it. 23 00:02:43,319 --> 00:02:46,759 So we're pretty aware of our surroundings in the woods 24 00:02:46,759 --> 00:02:49,599 and everything. I did. Want to make that very clear. 25 00:02:50,439 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 2: Well, thanks for putting that out there. So what you're 26 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,560 seeing is for the people the skeptics out there listening 27 00:02:55,719 --> 00:02:58,199 or saying, oh, okay, these guys just saw a squirrel 28 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,800 and mistook it for a dog man. You're saying that 29 00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:01,599 they're full. 30 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,719 Speaker 1: Of it, then yes, yes, absolutely, yeah. 31 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,719 Speaker 2: I'd say they must be. Billy. 32 00:03:07,759 --> 00:03:12,479 Speaker 3: How about you, Well, I actually work with my brother, 33 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:17,960 so we do the same thing, and I am thirty 34 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,159 three years old and I have a wife that I've 35 00:03:22,199 --> 00:03:24,719 been with for a very long time. 36 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:25,759 Speaker 1: Wow. 37 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 2: If you two guys wrench on cars and paint them, 38 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,719 and you're both married and you have kids, you guys 39 00:03:31,719 --> 00:03:36,520 stay busy. Then yes, definitely, yeah, I'm sure you do. 40 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,039 And thank goodness you told me about that, because next 41 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,960 time I need a car painted, I know who to 42 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:46,919 look up. Yes, sound like yeah, I'd say, Carl, you 43 00:03:46,919 --> 00:03:49,120 were nine or ten years old when you had your encounter, 44 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,879 but Billy was with you when it happened. Who's had 45 00:03:51,879 --> 00:03:54,520 a harder time dealing with that experience over the years 46 00:03:54,879 --> 00:03:56,159 you were Billy. 47 00:03:59,039 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: I would probably say, I mean, just in my opinion, 48 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,120 I would say me for some reason, I guess I 49 00:04:06,159 --> 00:04:07,599 don't know if it was because I was a little 50 00:04:07,599 --> 00:04:11,840 bit older than he was at the time, but I 51 00:04:11,879 --> 00:04:16,199 had a lot more nightmares and stuff more than he had. 52 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:17,040 Let's put it that way. 53 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 2: Why do you think that was Why do you think 54 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:24,000 it was harder for you to deal with then for him? 55 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: I think it's probably more to do with me being 56 00:04:29,519 --> 00:04:32,079 older of us two. And I don't know if it 57 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,199 was just because I felt like, you know, I was 58 00:04:34,399 --> 00:04:37,920 responsible for him or what it was, But it's just 59 00:04:37,959 --> 00:04:38,959 always bothered me though. 60 00:04:39,879 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, that would make sense. You felt a lot more 61 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,160 responsibility to protect him, so it was kind of like 62 00:04:45,199 --> 00:04:48,240 a double weemy for you, Billy. Have you and Carl 63 00:04:48,319 --> 00:04:50,480 been able to do things in the woods without trouble 64 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,360 after having that experience? Or do you to avoid the 65 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:54,720 woods as much as possible? 66 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:56,079 Speaker 1: Oh? 67 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 3: No, we don't avoid them. We still go camping and 68 00:04:59,639 --> 00:05:01,439 all that. It didn't really change none of that. 69 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,959 Speaker 2: Oh good, when you go camping is a kind of 70 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,160 a compromise time though, Or you able to enjoy being 71 00:05:09,199 --> 00:05:10,959 out there every bit as much as used to. 72 00:05:12,319 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 3: Uh, we enjoy it, but we're just a lot more 73 00:05:14,399 --> 00:05:15,800 aware of our surroundings now. 74 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure you are. Some people, well, basically people, 75 00:05:21,199 --> 00:05:23,959 I should say, fall into two camps. One of two camps. 76 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,480 You've got one camp who is just glad as all 77 00:05:27,519 --> 00:05:30,519 get out that they have been warned that dogmen are 78 00:05:30,519 --> 00:05:33,040 out there by having their encounter. Now they know to 79 00:05:33,079 --> 00:05:36,199 take certain precautions to try and quote unquote protect themselves. 80 00:05:36,519 --> 00:05:39,800 There's another camp who would do anything to be able 81 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:41,439 to go back and make it so they never had 82 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,959 their experience. They'd rather not know. Which camp do you 83 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:46,560 fall in? Billy? 84 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:48,959 Speaker 3: Definitely the first one, for sure. 85 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:54,519 Speaker 2: So you feel that fore warned is forearmed. Yeah, that 86 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,920 makes sense. Yeah, that's how I am. Would you rather know, 87 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,439 Carl or not know? 88 00:06:00,759 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: Definitely the same. I'm on the side of I'd rather 89 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,040 know for sure, like you said, that it's out there 90 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,360 and now I can be prepared and kind of, you know, 91 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,120 be more opt to look around a little bit extra 92 00:06:13,199 --> 00:06:16,800 than not. But you know, at the same time, still 93 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,079 it wasn't the greatest thing in the world experience. So 94 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:21,839 but all in all, I'd say I'm definitely the first 95 00:06:21,879 --> 00:06:24,800 as well. I'd rather know it's out there than not know. 96 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,199 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it wasn't the greatest thing to experience. Yeah, 97 00:06:29,199 --> 00:06:33,240 that's a given. From what I understand, Carl, you found 98 00:06:33,319 --> 00:06:36,480 something interesting in an abandoned home on a neighbor's property 99 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,120 one time when you were a kid. Was Billy with 100 00:06:39,199 --> 00:06:41,439 you when he had that experience? And of so, what 101 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:42,759 more can you tell us about that? 102 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,759 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, actually he was there, and it was actually Billy, 103 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:53,000 and our cousin who was older at the time, was 104 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:57,480 also with us as well during that and basically it 105 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:04,279 was our neighbors house after they both were elderly and 106 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:09,399 the man actually had passed away and his wife ended 107 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:14,120 up selling the place, or actually, honestly she left and 108 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,279 had the place up for sale, or just in the 109 00:07:17,319 --> 00:07:19,360 midst of almost wanting to sell it or something. But 110 00:07:19,879 --> 00:07:22,360 it was a couple of years that had sat over there, 111 00:07:22,399 --> 00:07:27,040 and we ended up just going and exploring, being young kids, 112 00:07:28,079 --> 00:07:32,120 and we actually found a bunch of books and stuff 113 00:07:32,279 --> 00:07:35,240 just laying around, and we found one of them in 114 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,720 particular that I thought was cool was actually I still 115 00:07:38,079 --> 00:07:40,959 still remember it. It was actually in an Atlantis book. 116 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,959 I've always been really interested in stuff like that, Atlantis 117 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,519 and any kind of cool stuff like that, just mythological 118 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,519 stuff or whatever. So I ended up taking the book 119 00:07:51,519 --> 00:07:53,560 home and it wasn't until I got at home that 120 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,439 me and my brother actually were looking through it at 121 00:07:56,439 --> 00:08:00,639 the very end. You know how books have pages of 122 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,879 like thoughts or like what she thought of the book 123 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:08,000 or whatever it was that, but the elderly woman that 124 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:12,279 lived there, that had owned it before it actually put 125 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,759 a probably a good three or four pages full of 126 00:08:16,199 --> 00:08:19,879 actual sightings that she had on her side of the 127 00:08:19,879 --> 00:08:25,439 property of actually the dog man, saying that my husband 128 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,240 had to shoot the gun outside, had to run them 129 00:08:28,279 --> 00:08:31,240 off again, you know, at six o'clock this morning, it 130 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,720 was looking at our horses again, and just account after account, 131 00:08:35,799 --> 00:08:38,440 like it was almost like almost a regular basis, it seemed. 132 00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:42,120 But yeah, that's the gist of it of that situation there. 133 00:08:42,919 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 2: Wow, that's horrible. Did you ever take that book and 134 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,480 show it to your parents to basically prove, Okay, our 135 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:52,200 experience isn't that far off. This neighbor had experiences with 136 00:08:52,279 --> 00:08:53,360 the dog man as well. 137 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,799 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, yeah, we did. We actually showed my mother first, 138 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,440 and he's very open to stuff like that, you know 139 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,919 what I mean, for the most part, So she believed 140 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,080 us for the for the majority. So we showed her 141 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,840 first and then showed my dad later, which I think 142 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,399 it actually took. It took a lot longer for my 143 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,000 dad to actually even remotely suggests that it was a 144 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,480 real thing. He's more of the old school. If I 145 00:09:23,519 --> 00:09:25,879 don't actually see it with my own eyes, I can 146 00:09:25,919 --> 00:09:28,679 only believe it so much, you know kind of guy. 147 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I definitely know the type. But I'm 148 00:09:33,159 --> 00:09:35,840 just glad you had that book to show them. Nonetheless, 149 00:09:35,879 --> 00:09:40,200 at least he had that proof. All right, guys, please 150 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,799 tell us about your encounters. Now, give us every last 151 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,080 detail that comes to mind. 152 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm going to give you an idea kind 153 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,039 of what the property and everything looks at like at 154 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:58,279 our grandparents house. It's I guess about total. It's if 155 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,159 I had to guess, roughly about two or three acres 156 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,320 in total with their house and a couple of sheds 157 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,799 and stuff, and it's all fenced in. However, only about 158 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,399 maybe an acre and a half of the property is 159 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,759 actually open. The rest of it past that is all 160 00:10:16,279 --> 00:10:22,360 still mostly woods. And then on the far left side, 161 00:10:23,799 --> 00:10:26,480 if you're staring directly at the property, the whole left 162 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:31,000 side is actually all wooded, with very a decent amount 163 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,240 of woods to the left side of it, and then 164 00:10:33,279 --> 00:10:36,879 to the very back of the property, and the right 165 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:41,919 side was actually our neighbors, or their neighbors rather, who 166 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,080 have probably about five or six acres total. That is 167 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,320 all just free and clear for the most part, except 168 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:53,759 for the very very back. But this was roughly around 169 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,639 ninety seven or ninety I think it was ninety seven 170 00:10:57,039 --> 00:11:01,080 or ninety eight. But I was about ten years old 171 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:08,080 and my brother was seven at the time, and actually 172 00:11:08,159 --> 00:11:11,360 my mother was cooking dinner and she told me and 173 00:11:11,399 --> 00:11:14,279 my brother. She was always doing this, but she would 174 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,240 always tell me or my brother to go outside and 175 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,159 locate our father, who was always outside working with my 176 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,759 granddad and stuff at the time that it was dinner time. 177 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:31,759 So we ended up just going outside together walking and 178 00:11:32,039 --> 00:11:35,799 I would say probably about i'd say about halfway the 179 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:41,600 halfway point of the property. We were walking talking, just 180 00:11:41,759 --> 00:11:45,279 being kids, and then all of a sudden, Billy actually 181 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,679 had stopped dead in his tracks, which was strange, you know, 182 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,240 because we're little kids. We don't stop for nothing. So 183 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:57,320 that immediately got my attention, and I had stopped and 184 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:58,759 I turned around. I said, hey, I said, you know, 185 00:11:58,799 --> 00:12:01,440 what is what's going on? What are you doing? And 186 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:06,679 he literally said nothing. He just sat there, and I 187 00:12:06,799 --> 00:12:09,240 ended up looking in the direction that he was looking 188 00:12:10,159 --> 00:12:13,480 and saw what, at that given second I thought was 189 00:12:13,519 --> 00:12:17,519 actually just a dog kneeled down all the way kind 190 00:12:17,519 --> 00:12:19,639 of just like a dog would be on all fours, 191 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:24,039 kind of laying down sort of. And so I saw it. 192 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:25,840 I was like, Okay, well, what that's weird. What in 193 00:12:25,879 --> 00:12:28,000 the world's that dog doing here? You know, My initial 194 00:12:28,039 --> 00:12:30,320 thought was that it was our dog. We had a 195 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,559 very large doverman pincher, and I had thought it was 196 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,279 that because it looked so similar. Actually it was kind 197 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,200 of crazy, but the dog was looking out towards the 198 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,240 back where my grandfather and my dad was. Now mind you, also, 199 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,000 I definitely got to tell you this. This was also 200 00:12:48,159 --> 00:12:52,120 not fully nighttime. This was in the time. It was 201 00:12:52,159 --> 00:12:56,480 around six I'm about five thirty to maybe seven somewhere 202 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,120 around that, you know, where it's getting dark, but it's 203 00:12:59,159 --> 00:13:02,600 not fully dark. So it was around that time. So 204 00:13:03,039 --> 00:13:08,720 mind you, when we seen this, it was very easily identifiable, 205 00:13:08,799 --> 00:13:15,600 you know. So we looked and I don't know exactly 206 00:13:15,639 --> 00:13:18,960 if it just hurt us or if I said something. 207 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,600 I can't really remember, but its ears actually twitched a little, 208 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,600 and then it turned its head and looked at us. 209 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,399 And when it looked at us, I do remember instantly 210 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,559 realizing that one its head was actually a lot larger 211 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,039 than even our dog's head, which was already big. I mean, 212 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:44,080 he was a big dog. And I also noticed that 213 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,679 its eyes were like a like an amber color, like 214 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:53,399 most people who see this thing say. And then it 215 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,679 kind of snarled a little bit or gave like a 216 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,960 low growl, and which, you know, I was a kid, 217 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:01,759 so I was still already scared of thinking that this 218 00:14:01,919 --> 00:14:06,039 was a dog. But the part that immediately made us 219 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,960 both realize that it was not just a dog was 220 00:14:10,039 --> 00:14:12,519 the fact that it stood up. And when it stood up, 221 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,840 it stood up on its back legs, and it was 222 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,120 it was huge. Now, my dad is actually a fairly 223 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:23,320 large man himself. He's about six foot tall and at 224 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,960 the time probably two hundred two hundred and forty pounds easy, 225 00:14:28,039 --> 00:14:31,399 so he's a big fellow. And this thing was easily 226 00:14:31,679 --> 00:14:35,759 a foot or two taller than he was, and just massive. 227 00:14:35,799 --> 00:14:39,200 I mean, it was huge, had huge shoulders, and I 228 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,519 don't remember smelling anything so that I don't think that 229 00:14:42,679 --> 00:14:46,720 was a thing, but I do remember that when it 230 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,519 did turn or in the process of turning and standing up, 231 00:14:50,559 --> 00:14:54,159 it was like it was like it was its skin 232 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,519 and everything was dark colored, like almost black, you know, 233 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:03,200 but it had like I can't really it's hard to explain, 234 00:15:03,279 --> 00:15:08,840 but it had like its hair was like almost like 235 00:15:08,879 --> 00:15:12,960 a grayish like it kind of a dark gray. But 236 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,879 also the whatever light was emanating, you know, still from 237 00:15:16,879 --> 00:15:19,960 the sun or whatever, kind of shined off of it, 238 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,279 so it seemed like it was even more silver looking. 239 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:29,080 So it was about shoot, if I had to guess, 240 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,679 about eight nine feet tall, and it actually once it 241 00:15:32,759 --> 00:15:35,480 stood and it turned to both of us and actually 242 00:15:35,559 --> 00:15:38,159 kind of reared back a little bit and growled more 243 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,960 and showed its teeth. And at that exact time, I 244 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:47,639 think the Lord our Dogs Major was his name, actually, 245 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,480 art Overman started and charging it. I guess it hurt 246 00:15:51,559 --> 00:15:54,519 us freaking out or solid or I don't know what happened, 247 00:15:54,559 --> 00:15:57,559 but it started going after it, along with another little 248 00:15:57,559 --> 00:16:01,639 smaller dog that we had, and once they started chasing 249 00:16:01,679 --> 00:16:04,919 it or going at it, it actually had turned back 250 00:16:05,279 --> 00:16:09,080 because it was right just a few feet from the fence. Now, 251 00:16:09,159 --> 00:16:11,799 mind you, I also want to tell you that this 252 00:16:11,799 --> 00:16:16,399 thing was. This thing was less than I mean, it 253 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,279 was less than ten about ten maybe twelve feet away 254 00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:21,759 from us when we saw it. So when I say 255 00:16:21,799 --> 00:16:25,320 that we saw it, we like were on it seeing it. 256 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,720 I mean, this thing could have very easily just scooped 257 00:16:28,799 --> 00:16:31,120 us up and took off, and that would have been it. 258 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,919 There would have been no there's nobody want to known 259 00:16:33,919 --> 00:16:36,559 nothing about it or nothing. I mean, it could have 260 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:42,440 easily done it. Thankfully it didn't. But it actually turned 261 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:47,519 around and our fence, I guess it was. I guess 262 00:16:47,519 --> 00:16:51,080 it's about a five foot fence, yeah, about five foot, 263 00:16:51,919 --> 00:16:56,320 and this thing jumped and when it jumped, it kind 264 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:00,440 of used its left leg to kind of push off 265 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,440 the top of the fence like the bar itself to 266 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,279 I'm assuming to get more distance or further away quicker. 267 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,119 But as it pushed it down, it actually like bowed 268 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:13,400 the part of the fence right there, and that on 269 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,880 that one area, which is actually still there to this day. 270 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,240 We never even bothered fixing it or nothing, so it 271 00:17:21,319 --> 00:17:25,359 is still just exactly like that right now. But it 272 00:17:25,599 --> 00:17:28,240 went through the bushes, and I mean you could hear 273 00:17:28,279 --> 00:17:31,119 it as thing was so so fast and just I 274 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,200 mean it was. It was like unlike anything I've ever 275 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:38,119 seen or witnessed ever, and it went tearing through the 276 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,759 bushes and knocking down decent sized bushes and trees and 277 00:17:41,759 --> 00:17:44,119 all sorts of stuff. And then the dogs had to 278 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,039 actually run another good distance, probably basically to the end 279 00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:51,039 of the property before it could cut off past the 280 00:17:51,039 --> 00:17:53,440 fence and get through this little hole that they loved 281 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,440 to go through, and they took off after it. Naturally, 282 00:17:57,519 --> 00:18:00,759 Me and my brother turned around and went directly back home, 283 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,000 ran inside. We were scared and freaked out, and my 284 00:18:04,079 --> 00:18:06,839 mom was as well, and she asked us, you know 285 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,319 what the world happened. We explained it to her, and 286 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,160 about that same time, my dad and my grandfather actually 287 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,119 come down there too because they heard the hall the 288 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,599 commotion and the dogs barking and everything and all the 289 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,519 stuff going through the trees, and so they come in. 290 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,559 We explained it all of them as well, and then 291 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:31,440 the dogs, both of the dogs actually stayed away all night, 292 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:35,200 I mean literally until shoot about two o'clock the next 293 00:18:35,279 --> 00:18:41,000 day before they finally showed back up. And I'd have 294 00:18:41,039 --> 00:18:44,200 to which actually I should ask my mom more my dad, 295 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:47,839 but I don't remember them being hurt any kind of way. 296 00:18:47,839 --> 00:18:51,319 I do remember them both being absolutely exhausted like they 297 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,240 have been. I mean, they had to be chasing this 298 00:18:54,319 --> 00:18:56,519 thing all day and all night or most of the 299 00:18:56,599 --> 00:18:59,240 night because they were just wore out. I just I 300 00:18:59,279 --> 00:19:02,200 do remember that much. But I don't believe they were 301 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,240 hurt in any kind of way, which was good. But 302 00:19:04,319 --> 00:19:07,799 that's about it from my perspective. I didn't know if 303 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,279 Billy wanted to add more or anything from his perspective, 304 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,079 but that's definitely the gist of it for me. 305 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:16,759 Speaker 2: What do you say, Billy, do you have anything you'd 306 00:19:16,799 --> 00:19:17,319 like to add? 307 00:19:18,279 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, like Carl said, when I seen it and 308 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:26,960 I stopped this whole encounter, all it took I don't know, 309 00:19:27,039 --> 00:19:30,319 probably realistically a minute is all it took before it, 310 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,799 you know, jumped over the fence. But to me, it 311 00:19:33,839 --> 00:19:37,799 felt like it was a ten minute ordeal. You know, Yeah, 312 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,079 it seemed a lot longer. Put it to you that way, 313 00:19:41,759 --> 00:19:49,160 and uh, I don't know. I was just very, very 314 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:53,000 terrified pretty much, is all I could say at the time. 315 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 2: Anyway, Well, I'm sure you were. Yeah, I think that's 316 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,519 a given. You told us about how Major and the 317 00:19:59,559 --> 00:20:02,599 other dog took off after a carl. But did Major 318 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,759 seem to be upset at all after he and the 319 00:20:04,759 --> 00:20:07,119 other dog came back the next day. You said the 320 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,079 dogs didn't seem to be heard, they were worn out, 321 00:20:10,519 --> 00:20:13,000 But did Major seem to be upset? 322 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I would say he was. Yeah. Another backstory 323 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:22,839 on actually on Major himself. He was actually a police 324 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,279 trained dog before we got him. We actually got him 325 00:20:26,279 --> 00:20:30,880 from the pound and found out later on after we've 326 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,960 had him for a few years. We did some research 327 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,759 and he was because he actually had one of his 328 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:37,960 toes were missing on I guess it was his front 329 00:20:38,039 --> 00:20:42,160 left leg, and that is actually a sign of I 330 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,839 guess something they do with canine dogs for the police. 331 00:20:45,519 --> 00:20:50,480 So he was I'm talking just beyond trained. I mean, 332 00:20:50,559 --> 00:20:52,680 you could say sid, you know, the normal stuff you 333 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,440 could tell dogs, but you could even go as far 334 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,839 as you know. I don't recommend any buddy, especially told 335 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,119 or anything for doing this, so don't please. But we 336 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,200 could actually go up to him while he was eating 337 00:21:05,519 --> 00:21:08,400 and you could just bend down and grab his food 338 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,319 and he would do nothing but just sit there. I mean, 339 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,599 you could tell him to wait, when to eat, when 340 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,839 to go lay down, and just anything he would just 341 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:21,359 do instantly, So he's very well trained. And he was 342 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:28,359 also a very extremely protective dog, especially over us kids. 343 00:21:28,839 --> 00:21:32,119 He actually at one time broke through one of our 344 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,240 windows and another place we lived through a bedroom to 345 00:21:35,279 --> 00:21:37,960 fight other dogs that were near us that were growling 346 00:21:38,039 --> 00:21:41,960 at us. So this dog was very, very protective. And 347 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,720 I'd say for sure when he got home, when they 348 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,160 got back, he was definitely like I mean, it took 349 00:21:48,279 --> 00:21:51,440 days and days for him to get back to normal, 350 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,079 like you could tell it was. And even then, like 351 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,519 even after he would go outside stuff, like, he was 352 00:21:59,559 --> 00:22:03,559 more protective. If I'm telling you the truth here, it's 353 00:22:03,759 --> 00:22:06,960 it was like he wouldn't let us even get five 354 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,000 feet from us. I mean he would literally walk beside 355 00:22:09,079 --> 00:22:11,079 us the entire time. After that, you know, he was 356 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,960 just like he understood, like, hey, I'm not gonna let 357 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,680 this thing come near you again. You know. So he 358 00:22:17,759 --> 00:22:20,920 was definitely did definitely acted different after that. For sure. 359 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 2: It sure sounds to me like they named Major correctly. 360 00:22:24,559 --> 00:22:27,039 That's a great name for him, because he was the 361 00:22:27,039 --> 00:22:27,599 real deal. 362 00:22:28,599 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely he was. He was an amazing dog. 363 00:22:31,559 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 2: He was Major. How far was your dad from you 364 00:22:34,759 --> 00:22:37,200 and your brother when you first saw the dog men Billy. 365 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:44,319 Speaker 3: Oh, I'm not really sure of the exact distance, but 366 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,400 he was a good ways from us. We couldn't even 367 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,519 see him, so they were way back in the woods 368 00:22:49,599 --> 00:22:50,319 working on a car. 369 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,079 Speaker 2: So yeah, all Ben must have felt like it was 370 00:22:53,079 --> 00:22:54,440 twenty miles at the time. 371 00:22:55,079 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it did. 372 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll bet you told us about how most of 373 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,079 your green Appearance property was wooded, Carl. Did the woods 374 00:23:03,079 --> 00:23:06,240 in their property connect more woods though, or was it 375 00:23:06,279 --> 00:23:07,559 bordered by open areas? 376 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,599 Speaker 1: Yes, actually towards the back it was. We actually that 377 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,000 was another something I was going to tell you about 378 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,920 that we discovered talking to my dad here recently. But yeah, 379 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:25,240 the left side actually where the thing actually was, you know, 380 00:23:25,279 --> 00:23:27,319 standing by the fence and then jumped over the fence. 381 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,119 Is like basically, if you say, for instance, that jumped 382 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,359 over the fence and kept running all the way left, 383 00:23:34,759 --> 00:23:38,839 it would eventually within about two or three acres, probably 384 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,000 would have ran into a dirt road. Because we are property. 385 00:23:42,519 --> 00:23:46,599 There's a dirt road that curves around the property. But 386 00:23:47,079 --> 00:23:49,680 if it would have went towards the right and towards 387 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,799 like the back of the property, I mean it is 388 00:23:51,839 --> 00:23:55,440 wooded all back there for I mean, I truthfully, we 389 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,079 used to go back there a lot, but we never 390 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,000 really got to the end of it, to where to 391 00:24:01,079 --> 00:24:02,519 even find the end, let's just put it that way. 392 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,519 So it was especially back then. Now now not so much. 393 00:24:06,599 --> 00:24:09,200 The place has actually gotten more people moved in there 394 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,279 and stuff, But back then it was a lot of 395 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:13,000 woed area. 396 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 2: So wow, it sounds like that was a good sized 397 00:24:16,039 --> 00:24:18,720 woods back there. You wouldn't happen to know if there 398 00:24:18,759 --> 00:24:20,880 was any moving water back in that woods with you. 399 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: That's actually the very next thing I was about to 400 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,400 tell you, because I actually just watched I guess the 401 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:32,039 recent video you guys uploaded with man I can't remember 402 00:24:32,039 --> 00:24:35,440 his name, the Australian fellow, but anyways, it was the 403 00:24:35,519 --> 00:24:38,119 recent one where you guys were talking about the possibility 404 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,960 of you know, like underground caves and water systems and stuff. 405 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,960 Happened to be near these dog man sightings most of 406 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,799 the time. And I actually, up until I just recently 407 00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:52,799 spoke to my dad about this, he informed me that 408 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,880 there's actually a pond or a lake or something a 409 00:24:57,079 --> 00:25:00,240 pretty good ways back behind the property back there that 410 00:25:00,279 --> 00:25:02,880 I actually never knew about. I had no idea there 411 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,759 was even one back there. But yes, there's there's actually 412 00:25:05,759 --> 00:25:09,319 like a lake or something back there that's a pretty 413 00:25:09,319 --> 00:25:09,960 decent size. 414 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 2: Actually, well, there's a lake. I wonder if it's fed 415 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,640 by a spring or if maybe a brook or a 416 00:25:16,759 --> 00:25:20,519 stream feeds it, because these guys, just like sasquatch, they 417 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,240 prefer moving water sources. If a lake is all that 418 00:25:24,279 --> 00:25:26,079 there is in the area, that's not going to be 419 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,759 all that great of a water source for them because obviously, 420 00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:30,799 you know, moving water is going to be fresher than 421 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,119 stagnant water like that in a lake. So that just 422 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:34,960 makes me wonder. 423 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there what could be? 424 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,519 Speaker 2: He is hard to say. Billy, the evening, you and 425 00:25:41,599 --> 00:25:44,039 Carl saw that dog me in. You saw it first. 426 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,920 How long had you been aware of its presence before 427 00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:49,119 Carl saw it? 428 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 3: Probably just maybe, I don't know, It was only about 429 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,720 ten or fifteen seconds really, and then he wondered what 430 00:25:54,759 --> 00:25:57,240 I was looking at? And then he's seen it. 431 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,279 Speaker 2: Were you so shocked that idea of bringing it to 432 00:26:01,319 --> 00:26:05,119 his attention escaped your mind? Or were you thinking about 433 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,079 bringing it to his attention when he finally saw it. 434 00:26:09,559 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 3: No, I was just kind of in shock and didn't 435 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:12,880 even couldn't even say nothing. 436 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 2: Really, well, that's understandable. You never expect to see something 437 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,400 like that, especially ten feet from you. Yeah, that's intense. 438 00:26:22,519 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just pretty much frozen there. 439 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 2: H Yeah, I'm sure you were. And no one could 440 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,079 fault you for that. Like I said, when you first 441 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,319 laid eyes on that dog, mean Carl, it was only 442 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,880 about ten feet from you. Did did it ever give 443 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,400 you the impression that maybe it was thinking about charging 444 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,039 you too? When it stood up? 445 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,559 Speaker 1: I got the feeling that that was a very good possibility, 446 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,559 because its movements seemed like it was going to do something. 447 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,160 But at the same time, I want to think that 448 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,680 it was planning on trying to get us or do 449 00:26:59,759 --> 00:27:03,759 something thing. But like I said, thankfully enough our dog 450 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,559 was there, and I just I can't help but think 451 00:27:06,599 --> 00:27:09,720 though that if it really wanted to, I mean, being 452 00:27:09,799 --> 00:27:12,200 that close, I mean, it wouldn't have took I mean 453 00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:16,160 just absolutely no time whatsoever just to reach out grab us, 454 00:27:16,599 --> 00:27:18,319 you know what I mean, and then and just take off. 455 00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:20,240 And that had been it. And like I said, my 456 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,880 mom was in our house a good distance away, and 457 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,440 then my dad and my grandpa were so far back 458 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,559 there that this thing could have been. I mean, it 459 00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:31,359 could have been, you know, miles away before they would 460 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,359 have even known that we're even gone. You know, because 461 00:27:34,839 --> 00:27:37,319 back then, at this time, I'm sure you well know 462 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,920 that kids pretty much just staying outside all day and 463 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,680 no one bothered them. And I mean you're not saying 464 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,960 nothing bad about parenting or anything back then, but it 465 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,799 was just different times, you know what I'm saying. So 466 00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:53,799 there ain't no telling though, but it it definitely gave 467 00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:55,920 me the vibe that it had thought about it. Let's 468 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:56,480 put it that way. 469 00:27:57,599 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, those were different times. Are your grandparents still alive. 470 00:28:01,799 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 3: Billy, Uh, Yeah, they are. 471 00:28:05,079 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 2: They are. When was the last time you two went 472 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:08,240 to their property? 473 00:28:09,599 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 3: Oh? I go out there all the time. 474 00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: I do as well. We actually go up there all 475 00:28:14,759 --> 00:28:18,440 the time because actually now they actually still live on 476 00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:21,359 all on the same property, so our parents and grandparents 477 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,319 live on the same property there, so we were there 478 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,680 quite often, let's put that way. 479 00:28:26,599 --> 00:28:29,599 Speaker 2: Oh, that's good. I'm glad they didn't frighten you off. 480 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,519 And something I'm sure that's not lost on you guys 481 00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:35,519 is a fact that with all the time you spent 482 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,039 in the woods, I'm sure that wasn't the first time 483 00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:41,480 that dogman was around you, and if it really wanted 484 00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:44,359 to get you, I'm sure you understand it had tons 485 00:28:44,359 --> 00:28:47,480 of opportunities to do that. But not once did that 486 00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:50,920 dog me ever harm you, So you can't lose sight 487 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:51,599 of that fact. 488 00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yeah, that's. 489 00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:00,519 Speaker 2: Really important to keep in mind. From what I understand, Carl, 490 00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:03,400 your dad had another experience with a dog man. Please 491 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:04,920 tell us about what happened that time. 492 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,759 Speaker 1: Yes, actually the first one my dad actually had had. 493 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,359 This has been a good while ago, I'd say three 494 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,079 or four years ago probably that this one happened. He 495 00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:23,359 had said that he had a smaller camper that he 496 00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:26,559 was like doing some work in stuff in it and 497 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,720 trying to get it, you know, just fixed up and whatnot. 498 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,440 And he had it parked out near the very end 499 00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:36,799 of the property where all the really heavy woods starts. 500 00:29:37,519 --> 00:29:39,880 Him and my mother actually she was there as well. 501 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,359 It was nighttime, I guess, they had said it was 502 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,640 about eight or nine o'clock and they were heading to 503 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,240 the little camper and when they had come around the corner, 504 00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:57,720 something was literally standing I'm talking right at the very 505 00:29:57,759 --> 00:30:01,559 back of the camper looking into one of the windows. Now, 506 00:30:02,279 --> 00:30:05,759 he said that it took off so fast and just 507 00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:08,880 I mean crashed through the woods and veiled that he 508 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,720 is not one hundred percent sure, like he didn't he 509 00:30:11,759 --> 00:30:14,839 didn't get to actually see it and confirm that it 510 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,079 was a dog man. However, he said that one he 511 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,880 said it was the massive whatever it was, he said, 512 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,680 because of the and it was extremely fast, he said, 513 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,799 So whatever it was was way bigger and way faster 514 00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:31,759 than anything else that he's seen or heard back there. 515 00:30:31,799 --> 00:30:34,559 You know, you idn't remember. He's grew up in the 516 00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:37,799 woods to his whole life, especially there on that property, 517 00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:39,920 has been there for a good long time, so he's 518 00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:42,480 very aware of the stuff that is there should be there. 519 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,279 But the part that bothered me the most about this is, 520 00:30:46,279 --> 00:30:50,240 like I said, my dad's a manly dude and you know, 521 00:30:50,279 --> 00:30:53,839 a big fellow, So seeing him scared as something that 522 00:30:54,319 --> 00:30:58,279 I don't think i've ever personally seen myself. However, he 523 00:30:58,319 --> 00:31:01,079 said that he actually so he got so scared of 524 00:31:01,119 --> 00:31:03,720 whatever that was that they actually ran into the camper 525 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,240 just because it was the closest thing. And he said 526 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,119 that he ended up locking the door and then actually 527 00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:13,640 wrapped his belt around the door. And then I guess 528 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,160 the bar or something that was there to keep it, 529 00:31:16,319 --> 00:31:19,519 I guess more closed. And then just sat there with 530 00:31:19,559 --> 00:31:23,240 my mom on the bed and holding a gun and 531 00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:25,720 just he said he's never been that scared ever in 532 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,920 his whole life. He said that, And they just sat 533 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,920 there for hours and hours until he got the courage 534 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,559 to actually just get up and go out there, and 535 00:31:35,599 --> 00:31:37,599 he said that what he did was immediately hooked the 536 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,480 camper up to his truck and moved it back up 537 00:31:40,519 --> 00:31:44,160 closer to the road area, and he said that he's 538 00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:47,720 he will absolutely never bring anything close like that to 539 00:31:47,759 --> 00:31:50,960 the woods again. So that was the part that bothered 540 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,519 me the most is just hearing him say how scared 541 00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:56,160 he was. I mean, that's just that was very very 542 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:56,759 strange to me. 543 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, no nonsense. Guy like that normally does open up 544 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,759 like that about experiences. But yeah, I bet that experience 545 00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:06,759 really did frighten him. How did that affect your mom? 546 00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:08,799 Did that really shake her up? Or does she take 547 00:32:08,839 --> 00:32:10,799 it and stride for the most part. 548 00:32:11,759 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: No, that's the same thing. She actually was very very 549 00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:17,400 scared herself. And she even told me the same thing, 550 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,599 because I ended up talking to her about it as well, 551 00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:22,119 and she said the same thing. Just as she said, 552 00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:25,519 she's never seen you know, my dad that scared of something. Ever, 553 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:31,400 it was really uneasy feeling to her because if something 554 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,799 happens or whatever, he's the big safe guy, you know, 555 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,960 and so it just it really bothered her too, to 556 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,680 be honest with you, Oh, I. 557 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 2: Bet it did. When you have someone with you that steely, 558 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,920 when you see them start to fall apart, that really 559 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,599 does shake you up, even more than you normally would 560 00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:50,079 have been shaken up. So yeah, I bet it really 561 00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:51,240 did affect her strongly. 562 00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:53,079 Speaker 1: Definitely. 563 00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll bet he's had other experiences with dog men 564 00:32:58,079 --> 00:33:00,680 or possibly that same dog man. Well, where can you 565 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:01,519 tell us about them? 566 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: Yes? Actually the other one, which this one is actually 567 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,079 when I I I literally just as he just told 568 00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:12,880 this to me, like I said, less than a couple 569 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,319 of weeks ago, and I actually didn't know this up 570 00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:19,960 until then, but I guess this one was probably only 571 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:24,599 about a year or two ago. He has a foiler 572 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,319 and actually he has a dog right now that is 573 00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:32,359 actually a great Dame and he is a huge, huge dog, 574 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,400 I mean big dog, and he's like, you know, my 575 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,680 dad's best friend. They go everywhere, you know, an anywhere 576 00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:41,559 my dad goes, he's got to go with, so he's 577 00:33:41,599 --> 00:33:45,599 always with him. And he would get on his foiler 578 00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:48,680 and they would ride back in the woods to that 579 00:33:49,079 --> 00:33:52,720 lake area that I was telling you earlier about, and 580 00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:55,759 he would ride his fowler out there, and Mako is 581 00:33:55,799 --> 00:34:00,200 actually his name. Maco would follow him out to there, 582 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:01,920 and they would go out there and make it a 583 00:34:02,079 --> 00:34:05,640 jump in the water and swim around and just you know, 584 00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:07,720 they just sit there and just have a little bit 585 00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:09,920 of time, and then they would just come back home. 586 00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:12,400 And he said they got pretty used to doing this. 587 00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:14,679 And he said that one day he got on the 588 00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:19,000 foller was heading that way and that Maco would actually 589 00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:21,320 kind of be in front of him, you know, just 590 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:22,920 a couple of feet or something. He would always be 591 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,000 in front though, And for some reason, he said that, 592 00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:29,440 and this dog has never done this. Like I said, 593 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,159 this is also a dog that's not scared of nothing 594 00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:33,400 out there. He is huge, I mean two hundred he's 595 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,960 at least two hundred pounds, so he's a massive dog. 596 00:34:37,039 --> 00:34:41,960 And he just dead stopped in his tracks. Mako didn't 597 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,320 and just stopped and turned and just i mean bolted 598 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,679 back for no apparent reason at all. No one was 599 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,280 calling him. No one was doing nothing, and he didn't 600 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,480 stop to wait for Dad. He didn't do nothing. He 601 00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:59,239 just literally left, I mean ran as fast as my 602 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,000 dad's ever seen run, which immediately, my dad said that 603 00:35:03,039 --> 00:35:06,840 he had a feeling of like almost dread come over him. 604 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,599 He said his hair on the back of his neck 605 00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:12,960 stood up, and that something told him to immediately stop 606 00:35:13,159 --> 00:35:15,679 right there where he's going and turn around and leave. 607 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,039 So he said he just whipped the foeler around and 608 00:35:19,039 --> 00:35:22,039 and just took off back towards the house. And he 609 00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:25,320 said when he got back to the house, Mako was 610 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,519 literally at the door, clawing at it, you know, like 611 00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:30,960 pauling at it, trying to get in. So whatever he 612 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,960 saw scared him, I mean scared the wits at it. 613 00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:36,199 I mean he was. Dad said he was like shaking 614 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,159 even when he went in the house and was on 615 00:35:38,199 --> 00:35:40,800 the couch or whatever, but he was like shaking and 616 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,559 you know, making the noise dogs mate when they're scared 617 00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:48,280 and whimpering, I guess. But he said to that he 618 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,760 was very, very scared about that whole situation. It was 619 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:51,559 just really weird. 620 00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 2: Wow, poor man cow and poor your dad. That's horrible. Yeah, 621 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,440 how often do you think about dog men, Billy? 622 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,639 Speaker 3: A lot more than I should, I think. Put it 623 00:36:05,679 --> 00:36:06,199 to you that way. 624 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can understand. Why have you had any trouble 625 00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:10,840 with nightmares? 626 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 3: Believe it or not? No, I have not. 627 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 2: Oh that's good. Yeah, Carl's already established the fact that 628 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,599 this experience affected him more strongly than you. But I 629 00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:23,559 was just wondering how strongly it affected you. 630 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,119 Speaker 3: Well, to be honest with you, it affected me. You know, 631 00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:30,760 I was pretty scared when I was little, but uh, 632 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,039 as I got older, I got really interested in it, 633 00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:37,880 you know, trying to find out more about it. You 634 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:38,559 know what I'm saying. 635 00:36:39,199 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 2: Oh, I do know, and I definitely understand anything like 636 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,079 that that frightens you. The more you know about it, 637 00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:49,039 the more you learn, the more comfortable you're going to 638 00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:51,960 be thinking about it and realizing that. Okay, yeah, we 639 00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:54,400 share the woods with all sorts of things that we 640 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,079 wish weren't there, but unfortunately they are. 641 00:36:58,119 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, before we. 642 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,320 Speaker 2: Get out, if you're a Carl, if I want to 643 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,960 understand you, Billy and some of your friends had another 644 00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:08,280 experience as well, please tell us about that experience. 645 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: Okay, So we were I guess I was about sixteen 646 00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:18,000 years old, and me and Billy and two of our 647 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,760 really good friends that we had, and growing up, we'd 648 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,760 always go out to my grandparents house, the same property 649 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,119 where all this other lovely stuff has happened, and we 650 00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:31,519 would stay at my grandparents just because there was woods. 651 00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:34,679 We love woods, we love foilers and stuff like that. 652 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,599 So we'd go out there, you know, every other weekend 653 00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:39,559 or something like that for a good couple of years 654 00:37:40,199 --> 00:37:43,519 and just stay the night out there and just have fun. Well, 655 00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:47,079 one particular night we had went and spent the night 656 00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:53,239 at my grandparents' house, and everything was just normal up 657 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,519 until the point where we had to go in the 658 00:37:55,519 --> 00:37:58,280 house and actually go to bed. So we went in 659 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,199 the house. We were all camped out on the floor 660 00:38:01,199 --> 00:38:05,800 and on the couches and just being teenage dudes, you know, 661 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:11,519 goofing off, giggling and just whatnot being kids. But we 662 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,440 actually were sitting there and all of a sudden I 663 00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:19,239 ended up seeing Actually it wasn't me, it was actually 664 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,719 our friend had seen a shadow going back and forth 665 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,800 because in my parents' living room they got like a 666 00:38:27,679 --> 00:38:33,760 window basically above the door, and you could see there 667 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,519 was like my Grandpa's got lights and stuff out there, 668 00:38:36,639 --> 00:38:40,480 street lights or whatever, hanging out and you could see 669 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,119 basically shadows if they walked by it. Well, he had said, 670 00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:47,559 and he goes, hey, listen, I don't know what's going on, 671 00:38:47,639 --> 00:38:50,320 but there's definitely something on the porch out there, walking 672 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,320 back and forth. And naturally, you know, us being teenage dudes, 673 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,440 I was like, yeah, okay, dude, you know, yeah, let's relax. 674 00:38:57,559 --> 00:39:00,119 You're just trying to get us scared or whatever. And 675 00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:02,199 he said, no, he goes, I promise you there's something 676 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,679 out there walking back and forth. He goes, watch. So 677 00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:08,480 all of us started to be quiet and just sitting there, 678 00:39:09,039 --> 00:39:12,039 and sure enough, we ended up seeing shadow going back 679 00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:15,880 and forth. And then eventually the shadow had walked right 680 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,760 directly front of the light, blocking the light through the window, 681 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,440 and actually grabbed the door knob and started shaking it, 682 00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:26,559 and I mean like shaking it a good amount, like 683 00:39:26,599 --> 00:39:31,199 trying to get in, which naturally made us all freak out. 684 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,119 I instantly jumped up and I went got my granddad 685 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,360 and he come out, naturally had a gun a rifle 686 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,159 with him. We told him, hey, there's somebody trying to 687 00:39:43,159 --> 00:39:44,840 get in here, which is what we thought. We thought 688 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,760 somebody was actually just trying to break in or something. 689 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,199 But he went out as soon as he opened the door. Now, 690 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,800 mind you, this whole thing from it shaking the doorknob 691 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,519 to go in and get my granddad, which was like 692 00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:00,719 literally his room was right connected to the living room there. 693 00:40:01,079 --> 00:40:03,280 So this didn't take but just a minute or two, 694 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,960 you know, from him shaking or whatever the world was 695 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,320 shaking the door knob to getting my granddad up was 696 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,239 two or three minutes at the very most. I mean, 697 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,280 it wouldn't even have been long enough for a human 698 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,840 being to even run away, you know what I mean. 699 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,760 The yard's so big and open, they would have been 700 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,920 seen and shot immediately, you know, once he come out. 701 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,119 So he went out and he had a flashlight, was 702 00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:32,199 looking around and didn't see anything whatsoever. So he ended 703 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,039 up just coming back in saying, you know, you guys 704 00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:38,239 are probably just scaring yourselves. There's no talent. It could 705 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,119 have been the dogs, could have been this and that, 706 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,519 you know, And we were like, there was definitely something there. 707 00:40:43,559 --> 00:40:46,280 We're not imagining this. So we ended up laying back down, 708 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,920 and when we laid back down, we naturally I mean, 709 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,960 it took hours. I mean probably We didn't even go 710 00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:56,079 to sleep until three or four in the morning, probably, 711 00:40:56,599 --> 00:40:59,840 So from about i'd say about ten o'clock a night 712 00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,960 to four o'clock in the morning, we were up just 713 00:41:03,159 --> 00:41:08,400 constantly listening to whatever in the world was outside walking 714 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,400 around the porch. You know, you could hear it walking around, 715 00:41:11,639 --> 00:41:15,760 and it was pretty heavy and just making noises, weird 716 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:20,840 noises outside and everything. But we finally just went to sleep. 717 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:25,320 So we woke up the next morning and actually to 718 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,519 my granddad outside, I mean cussing up a storm and 719 00:41:28,599 --> 00:41:31,599 yelling telling us to get our butts out there. So 720 00:41:31,639 --> 00:41:34,880 we all go outside and he goes, I don't know 721 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,760 what the world you guys were doing out here, He goes, 722 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,440 but you need to put my propane tanks and stuff 723 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,920 back up. We're like, what are you talking about? So 724 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,159 we get out and we look and like by the 725 00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:49,079 porch and under the house, it has like this plastic 726 00:41:49,159 --> 00:41:52,320 skirting stuff that is attached to it, you know, all 727 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,719 through the side and on the porch, and it was 728 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,920 all just literally ripped off, every bit of it. I 729 00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,320 mean for a good fifteen foot was ripped off off, 730 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,280 and there was a bunch of pro paintings probably three 731 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,280 or four of them that were underneath the house there 732 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,800 and under the porch that were just slung all around 733 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:12,840 the yard for no apparent reason. And we said, well, 734 00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:15,119 you know, we didn't do that. Why in the world 735 00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:16,679 will we come out here and tear the porch up 736 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,400 and throw your pro paintings on the ground. You know, 737 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,480 that don't make no sense. And he said, well, he goes, 738 00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:23,760 I don't know, maybe the dog tore it up or whatever. 739 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,840 He just you know, old man, he just did no 740 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,920 nonsense guy too, So he just told us just to 741 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:34,480 fix it. But I was talking to my brother about 742 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,960 this recently and my friend actually, and they both said, 743 00:42:38,679 --> 00:42:42,519 it's kind of horrifying now remembering it, because, you know 744 00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:45,440 then we didn't really think nothing of it until I 745 00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:49,039 realized that, you know, that would mean that I'm assuming 746 00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:52,760 it was the dog man had ripped all that stuff 747 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:57,039 up so it could come up under the porch and 748 00:42:57,199 --> 00:42:59,239 up under where we were sleeping in the living room, 749 00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:02,000 and was I don't know if it was just listening 750 00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:05,320 to us, our trying to scarus or what, but it 751 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,480 was most certainly up under the house just for whatever reason, 752 00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:12,519 which is horrifying to me. I was talking to Billy 753 00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:15,280 about it, and that's just it's bothered me. Actually since 754 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,119 thinking about it, well. 755 00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 2: I can understand why it would bother you. Yeah, the 756 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,480 idea of a dog mean getting up underneath the house 757 00:43:21,559 --> 00:43:23,039 like that, that's not going to give you the warm 758 00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:25,559 and fuzzies. Yeah, it makes you one. How much time 759 00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:27,159 its spent under the house that night? 760 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, it was. It wasn't good. 761 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, well at least nothing happened, so we can still 762 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:35,960 play the glad game. 763 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And there was another experience we had 764 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,440 once again actually out near the property at my grandparents 765 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:49,519 as well. That was actually me, my brother, my cousin 766 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,840 actually from the place from where we found the book 767 00:43:55,079 --> 00:43:57,960 that saying Zac. Cousin was with us and the friend 768 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,719 from the last thing I just shared. We're all went 769 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,440 out there to stay the night together again and we 770 00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:10,440 ended up about twelve or one at night, ended up 771 00:44:10,519 --> 00:44:13,480 just walking down to some railroad tracks that were actually 772 00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:17,320 near my grandparents. I say near relatively. It was about 773 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,159 a mile down the dirt road from them, but we 774 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,320 had ended up getting on the railroad tracks and we're 775 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,000 just walking it and we walked a good and I 776 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,480 don't know half mile down towards where the woods and 777 00:44:28,519 --> 00:44:32,639 everything was. And now, mind you, I do realize this 778 00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:35,400 is not a smart thing. I don't recommend any kids 779 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,039 or anything doing this at all. But we ended up 780 00:44:38,199 --> 00:44:43,239 making a fire in the center of the railroad tracks there, 781 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,320 and we're just sitting around, goofing off and you know, 782 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,599 just being teenage dudes. And we ended up actually because 783 00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:54,320 there was rocks in the middle of where the railroad 784 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,159 tracks were, and we actually started picking them up and 785 00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,320 just tossing them, just throwing them in the woods, just 786 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,320 you know, seeing how far we could throw them, see 787 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,719 if we could hit trees whatever. And believe it or not, 788 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,840 we actually started getting rocks thrown back at us, which 789 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,880 was off putting to say the least. We're like, okay, well, 790 00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:16,840 you know, maybe one hit a tree and just bounce 791 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,000 back or something, you know what I mean. So we 792 00:45:19,559 --> 00:45:23,199 threw another one. Sure enough, a few seconds later, boom 793 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,199 threw right back at us. So we did it another 794 00:45:26,519 --> 00:45:29,239 I don't know, ten times. And each time we would 795 00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,079 throw them and we'd make sure to listen, you know, 796 00:45:32,119 --> 00:45:33,679 that way it didn't hit a tree or something, and 797 00:45:33,679 --> 00:45:37,599 it was just bouncing back. And each time it got 798 00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:40,079 thrown back at us. So we all went quiet because 799 00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:42,880 obviously that was scary. That was a scary experience, and 800 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:47,800 we actually heard something walking around out there, which you know, 801 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,239 abruptly made us quickly put the fire out and just 802 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,679 take off running back to the house. But like I said, 803 00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:57,559 that was the other other little thing that happened there. 804 00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:00,800 But it was definitely strange for sure. You know, we 805 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,480 all talked about it afterwards, and we're like, you would 806 00:46:03,559 --> 00:46:05,679 have to be a very messed up individual to be 807 00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:07,920 I mean, we were out in the middle of the 808 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,679 woods at one o'clock, but there wasn't a whole bunch 809 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,199 of people out there other than us, And it would 810 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,320 take a very unique special person to be way out 811 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,360 in the woods waiting for people to come out and 812 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:20,760 throw rocks at them, to throw them back, you know 813 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,360 what I mean. So that was another encounter we were 814 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,159 just like kind of dumbfounded about. 815 00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:28,719 Speaker 2: Really, from the way you described that experience, it sounds 816 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,599 to me like it just might have been a sasquatch 817 00:46:30,679 --> 00:46:33,880 that time. It's hard to say for sure, we'll never know, 818 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,800 but yeah, it does sound that way to me. Well, gentlemen, 819 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,400 it's about time for us to get out of here, 820 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,280 but before we do, do you have any clothes in 821 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:42,480 comments you'd like to share? 822 00:46:44,159 --> 00:46:49,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just anybody that is dealing with stuff like this, 823 00:46:49,159 --> 00:46:53,199 or if they've seen them themselves dog men, it's best 824 00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,760 to share these, you know, encounters, tell people, you know, 825 00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,800 rather it's your mom, your dad, your spouse, kids, whatever, 826 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,880 It is good to talk about it. And we do 827 00:47:04,159 --> 00:47:06,960 very much appreciate you heck for letting us come on 828 00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:09,880 here and talk about it and everything. And actually, the 829 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,000 funny thing is, it's actually kind of funny is me 830 00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:15,760 and my brother has actually had this ongoing kind of 831 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,559 joke sort of about it took a long time for 832 00:47:19,639 --> 00:47:22,519 people and our family because we've shared their story a 833 00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:26,719 few times with a few people, and we're like, how 834 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,639 long does it have to be for us to stay 835 00:47:29,679 --> 00:47:32,519 on this story before people realize we're not lying? You 836 00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:34,519 know what I mean. It's from ten years old and 837 00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:38,920 I'm now thirty six years old, and it's literally been 838 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:43,039 the same thing saying zac story, same everything, same experience, 839 00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:45,920 and we've not budget so you know, at some point 840 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,000 people just got to start actually believing it, you know 841 00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:51,239 what I mean, And they have, but it's it's been 842 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,679 kind of an ongoing joke, because we wouldn't be lying 843 00:47:53,679 --> 00:47:54,039 this long. 844 00:47:55,159 --> 00:47:57,840 Speaker 2: Well, of course not. I'm glad to hear they finally 845 00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,280 came around, Bud. It's sure as a seame that it 846 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:04,559 took him so long to do so right. Yes, but 847 00:48:05,039 --> 00:48:08,639 you'll have that sometimes. Well, gentlemen, I can't thank you 848 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,800 enough for coming on and sharing the details of that 849 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,159 experience with us. I really appreciate it. 850 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,159 Speaker 1: We appreciate it too, Vick. 851 00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,400 Speaker 3: Thank you man, yep, thank you for letting us share 852 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:17,679 it with you. 853 00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,079 Speaker 2: Oh you know you're welcome. Thanks again so much, and 854 00:48:21,519 --> 00:48:22,280 have a great night.