Speaker 1: At a book in.
Speaker 2: Tonight's guests or brothers who want to keep their identities anonymous.
With that in mind, I'm just going to call them
Carl and Billy. Carl and Billy, thanks so much for
joining us.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having us. Vick, Well, it's.
Speaker 2: Great having you. Thank you for your time. Carl, Please
give us a brief bio in yourself.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm actually a mechanic by trade, anything Carl related,
faint numb and all sorts of stuff. And I actually
am married. I have been for I guess about ten
years now, have two kids, one of them is six
little boy and twelve year old girl. Just a pretty straightforward,
normal guy for the most part, I do. How I
want to also mention that I spent a whole lot
of time well, me and my brother, both of us
grew up in the woods and in the country and stuff,
so we're very aware of animals and stuff like that,
especially me more so. I was the kind of kid
that liked to always watch animal shows or read animal
books and all sorts of stuff. We were always in
catching snakes and you name it, we were outside doing it.
So we're pretty aware of our surroundings in the woods
and everything. I did. Want to make that very clear.
Speaker 2: Well, thanks for putting that out there. So what you're
seeing is for the people the skeptics out there listening
or saying, oh, okay, these guys just saw a squirrel
and mistook it for a dog man. You're saying that
they're full.
Speaker 1: Of it, then yes, yes, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 2: I'd say they must be. Billy.
Speaker 3: How about you, Well, I actually work with my brother,
so we do the same thing, and I am thirty
three years old and I have a wife that I've
been with for a very long time.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: If you two guys wrench on cars and paint them,
and you're both married and you have kids, you guys
stay busy. Then yes, definitely, yeah, I'm sure you do.
And thank goodness you told me about that, because next
time I need a car painted, I know who to
look up. Yes, sound like yeah, I'd say, Carl, you
were nine or ten years old when you had your encounter,
but Billy was with you when it happened. Who's had
a harder time dealing with that experience over the years
you were Billy.
Speaker 1: I would probably say, I mean, just in my opinion,
I would say me for some reason, I guess I
don't know if it was because I was a little
bit older than he was at the time, but I
had a lot more nightmares and stuff more than he had.
Let's put it that way.
Speaker 2: Why do you think that was Why do you think
it was harder for you to deal with then for him?
Speaker 1: I think it's probably more to do with me being
older of us two. And I don't know if it
was just because I felt like, you know, I was
responsible for him or what it was, But it's just
always bothered me though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would make sense. You felt a lot more
responsibility to protect him, so it was kind of like
a double weemy for you, Billy. Have you and Carl
been able to do things in the woods without trouble
after having that experience? Or do you to avoid the
woods as much as possible?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: No, we don't avoid them. We still go camping and
all that. It didn't really change none of that.
Speaker 2: Oh good, when you go camping is a kind of
a compromise time though, Or you able to enjoy being
out there every bit as much as used to.
Speaker 3: Uh, we enjoy it, but we're just a lot more
aware of our surroundings now.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure you are. Some people, well, basically people,
I should say, fall into two camps. One of two camps.
You've got one camp who is just glad as all
get out that they have been warned that dogmen are
out there by having their encounter. Now they know to
take certain precautions to try and quote unquote protect themselves.
There's another camp who would do anything to be able
to go back and make it so they never had
their experience. They'd rather not know. Which camp do you
fall in? Billy?
Speaker 3: Definitely the first one, for sure.
Speaker 2: So you feel that fore warned is forearmed. Yeah, that
makes sense. Yeah, that's how I am. Would you rather know,
Carl or not know?
Speaker 1: Definitely the same. I'm on the side of I'd rather
know for sure, like you said, that it's out there
and now I can be prepared and kind of, you know,
be more opt to look around a little bit extra
than not. But you know, at the same time, still
it wasn't the greatest thing in the world experience. So
but all in all, I'd say I'm definitely the first
as well. I'd rather know it's out there than not know.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it wasn't the greatest thing to experience. Yeah,
that's a given. From what I understand, Carl, you found
something interesting in an abandoned home on a neighbor's property
one time when you were a kid. Was Billy with
you when he had that experience? And of so, what
more can you tell us about that?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, actually he was there, and it was actually Billy,
and our cousin who was older at the time, was
also with us as well during that and basically it
was our neighbors house after they both were elderly and
the man actually had passed away and his wife ended
up selling the place, or actually, honestly she left and
had the place up for sale, or just in the
midst of almost wanting to sell it or something. But
it was a couple of years that had sat over there,
and we ended up just going and exploring, being young kids,
and we actually found a bunch of books and stuff
just laying around, and we found one of them in
particular that I thought was cool was actually I still
still remember it. It was actually in an Atlantis book.
I've always been really interested in stuff like that, Atlantis
and any kind of cool stuff like that, just mythological
stuff or whatever. So I ended up taking the book
home and it wasn't until I got at home that
me and my brother actually were looking through it at
the very end. You know how books have pages of
like thoughts or like what she thought of the book
or whatever it was that, but the elderly woman that
lived there, that had owned it before it actually put
a probably a good three or four pages full of
actual sightings that she had on her side of the
property of actually the dog man, saying that my husband
had to shoot the gun outside, had to run them
off again, you know, at six o'clock this morning, it
was looking at our horses again, and just account after account,
like it was almost like almost a regular basis, it seemed.
But yeah, that's the gist of it of that situation there.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's horrible. Did you ever take that book and
show it to your parents to basically prove, Okay, our
experience isn't that far off. This neighbor had experiences with
the dog man as well.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, yeah, we did. We actually showed my mother first,
and he's very open to stuff like that, you know
what I mean, for the most part, So she believed
us for the for the majority. So we showed her
first and then showed my dad later, which I think
it actually took. It took a lot longer for my
dad to actually even remotely suggests that it was a
real thing. He's more of the old school. If I
don't actually see it with my own eyes, I can
only believe it so much, you know kind of guy.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I definitely know the type. But I'm
just glad you had that book to show them. Nonetheless,
at least he had that proof. All right, guys, please
tell us about your encounters. Now, give us every last
detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm going to give you an idea kind
of what the property and everything looks at like at
our grandparents house. It's I guess about total. It's if
I had to guess, roughly about two or three acres
in total with their house and a couple of sheds
and stuff, and it's all fenced in. However, only about
maybe an acre and a half of the property is
actually open. The rest of it past that is all
still mostly woods. And then on the far left side,
if you're staring directly at the property, the whole left
side is actually all wooded, with very a decent amount
of woods to the left side of it, and then
to the very back of the property, and the right
side was actually our neighbors, or their neighbors rather, who
have probably about five or six acres total. That is
all just free and clear for the most part, except
for the very very back. But this was roughly around
ninety seven or ninety I think it was ninety seven
or ninety eight. But I was about ten years old
and my brother was seven at the time, and actually
my mother was cooking dinner and she told me and
my brother. She was always doing this, but she would
always tell me or my brother to go outside and
locate our father, who was always outside working with my
granddad and stuff at the time that it was dinner time.
So we ended up just going outside together walking and
I would say probably about i'd say about halfway the
halfway point of the property. We were walking talking, just
being kids, and then all of a sudden, Billy actually
had stopped dead in his tracks, which was strange, you know,
because we're little kids. We don't stop for nothing. So
that immediately got my attention, and I had stopped and
I turned around. I said, hey, I said, you know,
what is what's going on? What are you doing? And
he literally said nothing. He just sat there, and I
ended up looking in the direction that he was looking
and saw what, at that given second I thought was
actually just a dog kneeled down all the way kind
of just like a dog would be on all fours,
kind of laying down sort of. And so I saw it.
I was like, Okay, well, what that's weird. What in
the world's that dog doing here? You know, My initial
thought was that it was our dog. We had a
very large doverman pincher, and I had thought it was
that because it looked so similar. Actually it was kind
of crazy, but the dog was looking out towards the
back where my grandfather and my dad was. Now mind you, also,
I definitely got to tell you this. This was also
not fully nighttime. This was in the time. It was
around six I'm about five thirty to maybe seven somewhere
around that, you know, where it's getting dark, but it's
not fully dark. So it was around that time. So
mind you, when we seen this, it was very easily identifiable,
you know. So we looked and I don't know exactly
if it just hurt us or if I said something.
I can't really remember, but its ears actually twitched a little,
and then it turned its head and looked at us.
And when it looked at us, I do remember instantly
realizing that one its head was actually a lot larger
than even our dog's head, which was already big. I mean,
he was a big dog. And I also noticed that
its eyes were like a like an amber color, like
most people who see this thing say. And then it
kind of snarled a little bit or gave like a
low growl, and which, you know, I was a kid,
so I was still already scared of thinking that this
was a dog. But the part that immediately made us
both realize that it was not just a dog was
the fact that it stood up. And when it stood up,
it stood up on its back legs, and it was
it was huge. Now, my dad is actually a fairly
large man himself. He's about six foot tall and at
the time probably two hundred two hundred and forty pounds easy,
so he's a big fellow. And this thing was easily
a foot or two taller than he was, and just massive.
I mean, it was huge, had huge shoulders, and I
don't remember smelling anything so that I don't think that
was a thing, but I do remember that when it
did turn or in the process of turning and standing up,
it was like it was like it was its skin
and everything was dark colored, like almost black, you know,
but it had like I can't really it's hard to explain,
but it had like its hair was like almost like
a grayish like it kind of a dark gray. But
also the whatever light was emanating, you know, still from
the sun or whatever, kind of shined off of it,
so it seemed like it was even more silver looking.
So it was about shoot, if I had to guess,
about eight nine feet tall, and it actually once it
stood and it turned to both of us and actually
kind of reared back a little bit and growled more
and showed its teeth. And at that exact time, I
think the Lord our Dogs Major was his name, actually,
art Overman started and charging it. I guess it hurt
us freaking out or solid or I don't know what happened,
but it started going after it, along with another little
smaller dog that we had, and once they started chasing
it or going at it, it actually had turned back
because it was right just a few feet from the fence. Now,
mind you, I also want to tell you that this
thing was. This thing was less than I mean, it
was less than ten about ten maybe twelve feet away
from us when we saw it. So when I say
that we saw it, we like were on it seeing it.
I mean, this thing could have very easily just scooped
us up and took off, and that would have been it.
There would have been no there's nobody want to known
nothing about it or nothing. I mean, it could have
easily done it. Thankfully it didn't. But it actually turned
around and our fence, I guess it was. I guess
it's about a five foot fence, yeah, about five foot,
and this thing jumped and when it jumped, it kind
of used its left leg to kind of push off
the top of the fence like the bar itself to
I'm assuming to get more distance or further away quicker.
But as it pushed it down, it actually like bowed
the part of the fence right there, and that on
that one area, which is actually still there to this day.
We never even bothered fixing it or nothing, so it
is still just exactly like that right now. But it
went through the bushes, and I mean you could hear
it as thing was so so fast and just I
mean it was. It was like unlike anything I've ever
seen or witnessed ever, and it went tearing through the
bushes and knocking down decent sized bushes and trees and
all sorts of stuff. And then the dogs had to
actually run another good distance, probably basically to the end
of the property before it could cut off past the
fence and get through this little hole that they loved
to go through, and they took off after it. Naturally,
Me and my brother turned around and went directly back home,
ran inside. We were scared and freaked out, and my
mom was as well, and she asked us, you know
what the world happened. We explained it to her, and
about that same time, my dad and my grandfather actually
come down there too because they heard the hall the
commotion and the dogs barking and everything and all the
stuff going through the trees, and so they come in.
We explained it all of them as well, and then
the dogs, both of the dogs actually stayed away all night,
I mean literally until shoot about two o'clock the next
day before they finally showed back up. And I'd have
to which actually I should ask my mom more my dad,
but I don't remember them being hurt any kind of way.
I do remember them both being absolutely exhausted like they
have been. I mean, they had to be chasing this
thing all day and all night or most of the
night because they were just wore out. I just I
do remember that much. But I don't believe they were
hurt in any kind of way, which was good. But
that's about it from my perspective. I didn't know if
Billy wanted to add more or anything from his perspective,
but that's definitely the gist of it for me.
Speaker 2: What do you say, Billy, do you have anything you'd
like to add?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, like Carl said, when I seen it and
I stopped this whole encounter, all it took I don't know,
probably realistically a minute is all it took before it,
you know, jumped over the fence. But to me, it
felt like it was a ten minute ordeal. You know, Yeah,
it seemed a lot longer. Put it to you that way,
and uh, I don't know. I was just very, very
terrified pretty much, is all I could say at the time.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Well, I'm sure you were. Yeah, I think that's
a given. You told us about how Major and the
other dog took off after a carl. But did Major
seem to be upset at all after he and the
other dog came back the next day. You said the
dogs didn't seem to be heard, they were worn out,
But did Major seem to be upset?
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I would say he was. Yeah. Another backstory
on actually on Major himself. He was actually a police
trained dog before we got him. We actually got him
from the pound and found out later on after we've
had him for a few years. We did some research
and he was because he actually had one of his
toes were missing on I guess it was his front
left leg, and that is actually a sign of I
guess something they do with canine dogs for the police.
So he was I'm talking just beyond trained. I mean,
you could say sid, you know, the normal stuff you
could tell dogs, but you could even go as far
as you know. I don't recommend any buddy, especially told
or anything for doing this, so don't please. But we
could actually go up to him while he was eating
and you could just bend down and grab his food
and he would do nothing but just sit there. I mean,
you could tell him to wait, when to eat, when
to go lay down, and just anything he would just
do instantly, So he's very well trained. And he was
also a very extremely protective dog, especially over us kids.
He actually at one time broke through one of our
windows and another place we lived through a bedroom to
fight other dogs that were near us that were growling
at us. So this dog was very, very protective. And
I'd say for sure when he got home, when they
got back, he was definitely like I mean, it took
days and days for him to get back to normal,
like you could tell it was. And even then, like
even after he would go outside stuff, like, he was
more protective. If I'm telling you the truth here, it's
it was like he wouldn't let us even get five
feet from us. I mean he would literally walk beside
us the entire time. After that, you know, he was
just like he understood, like, hey, I'm not gonna let
this thing come near you again. You know. So he
was definitely did definitely acted different after that. For sure.
Speaker 2: It sure sounds to me like they named Major correctly.
That's a great name for him, because he was the
real deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely he was. He was an amazing dog.
Speaker 2: He was Major. How far was your dad from you
and your brother when you first saw the dog men Billy.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm not really sure of the exact distance, but
he was a good ways from us. We couldn't even
see him, so they were way back in the woods
working on a car.
Speaker 2: So yeah, all Ben must have felt like it was
twenty miles at the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll bet you told us about how most of
your green Appearance property was wooded, Carl. Did the woods
in their property connect more woods though, or was it
bordered by open areas?
Speaker 1: Yes, actually towards the back it was. We actually that
was another something I was going to tell you about
that we discovered talking to my dad here recently. But yeah,
the left side actually where the thing actually was, you know,
standing by the fence and then jumped over the fence.
Is like basically, if you say, for instance, that jumped
over the fence and kept running all the way left,
it would eventually within about two or three acres, probably
would have ran into a dirt road. Because we are property.
There's a dirt road that curves around the property. But
if it would have went towards the right and towards
like the back of the property, I mean it is
wooded all back there for I mean, I truthfully, we
used to go back there a lot, but we never
really got to the end of it, to where to
even find the end, let's just put it that way.
So it was especially back then. Now now not so much.
The place has actually gotten more people moved in there
and stuff, But back then it was a lot of
woed area.
Speaker 2: So wow, it sounds like that was a good sized
woods back there. You wouldn't happen to know if there
was any moving water back in that woods with you.
Speaker 1: That's actually the very next thing I was about to
tell you, because I actually just watched I guess the
recent video you guys uploaded with man I can't remember
his name, the Australian fellow, but anyways, it was the
recent one where you guys were talking about the possibility
of you know, like underground caves and water systems and stuff.
Happened to be near these dog man sightings most of
the time. And I actually, up until I just recently
spoke to my dad about this, he informed me that
there's actually a pond or a lake or something a
pretty good ways back behind the property back there that
I actually never knew about. I had no idea there
was even one back there. But yes, there's there's actually
like a lake or something back there that's a pretty
decent size.
Speaker 2: Actually, well, there's a lake. I wonder if it's fed
by a spring or if maybe a brook or a
stream feeds it, because these guys, just like sasquatch, they
prefer moving water sources. If a lake is all that
there is in the area, that's not going to be
all that great of a water source for them because obviously,
you know, moving water is going to be fresher than
stagnant water like that in a lake. So that just
makes me wonder.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there what could be?
Speaker 2: He is hard to say. Billy, the evening, you and
Carl saw that dog me in. You saw it first.
How long had you been aware of its presence before
Carl saw it?
Speaker 3: Probably just maybe, I don't know, It was only about
ten or fifteen seconds really, and then he wondered what
I was looking at? And then he's seen it.
Speaker 2: Were you so shocked that idea of bringing it to
his attention escaped your mind? Or were you thinking about
bringing it to his attention when he finally saw it.
Speaker 3: No, I was just kind of in shock and didn't
even couldn't even say nothing.
Speaker 2: Really, well, that's understandable. You never expect to see something
like that, especially ten feet from you. Yeah, that's intense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just pretty much frozen there.
Speaker 2: H Yeah, I'm sure you were. And no one could
fault you for that. Like I said, when you first
laid eyes on that dog, mean Carl, it was only
about ten feet from you. Did did it ever give
you the impression that maybe it was thinking about charging
you too? When it stood up?
Speaker 1: I got the feeling that that was a very good possibility,
because its movements seemed like it was going to do something.
But at the same time, I want to think that
it was planning on trying to get us or do
something thing. But like I said, thankfully enough our dog
was there, and I just I can't help but think
though that if it really wanted to, I mean, being
that close, I mean, it wouldn't have took I mean
just absolutely no time whatsoever just to reach out grab us,
you know what I mean, and then and just take off.
And that had been it. And like I said, my
mom was in our house a good distance away, and
then my dad and my grandpa were so far back
there that this thing could have been. I mean, it
could have been, you know, miles away before they would
have even known that we're even gone. You know, because
back then, at this time, I'm sure you well know
that kids pretty much just staying outside all day and
no one bothered them. And I mean you're not saying
nothing bad about parenting or anything back then, but it
was just different times, you know what I'm saying. So
there ain't no telling though, but it it definitely gave
me the vibe that it had thought about it. Let's
put it that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those were different times. Are your grandparents still alive.
Speaker 3: Billy, Uh, Yeah, they are.
Speaker 2: They are. When was the last time you two went
to their property?
Speaker 3: Oh? I go out there all the time.
Speaker 1: I do as well. We actually go up there all
the time because actually now they actually still live on
all on the same property, so our parents and grandparents
live on the same property there, so we were there
quite often, let's put that way.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's good. I'm glad they didn't frighten you off.
And something I'm sure that's not lost on you guys
is a fact that with all the time you spent
in the woods, I'm sure that wasn't the first time
that dogman was around you, and if it really wanted
to get you, I'm sure you understand it had tons
of opportunities to do that. But not once did that
dog me ever harm you, So you can't lose sight
of that fact.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: Really important to keep in mind. From what I understand, Carl,
your dad had another experience with a dog man. Please
tell us about what happened that time.
Speaker 1: Yes, actually the first one my dad actually had had.
This has been a good while ago, I'd say three
or four years ago probably that this one happened. He
had said that he had a smaller camper that he
was like doing some work in stuff in it and
trying to get it, you know, just fixed up and whatnot.
And he had it parked out near the very end
of the property where all the really heavy woods starts.
Him and my mother actually she was there as well.
It was nighttime, I guess, they had said it was
about eight or nine o'clock and they were heading to
the little camper and when they had come around the corner,
something was literally standing I'm talking right at the very
back of the camper looking into one of the windows. Now,
he said that it took off so fast and just
I mean crashed through the woods and veiled that he
is not one hundred percent sure, like he didn't he
didn't get to actually see it and confirm that it
was a dog man. However, he said that one he
said it was the massive whatever it was, he said,
because of the and it was extremely fast, he said,
So whatever it was was way bigger and way faster
than anything else that he's seen or heard back there.
You know, you idn't remember. He's grew up in the
woods to his whole life, especially there on that property,
has been there for a good long time, so he's
very aware of the stuff that is there should be there.
But the part that bothered me the most about this is,
like I said, my dad's a manly dude and you know,
a big fellow, So seeing him scared as something that
I don't think i've ever personally seen myself. However, he
said that he actually so he got so scared of
whatever that was that they actually ran into the camper
just because it was the closest thing. And he said
that he ended up locking the door and then actually
wrapped his belt around the door. And then I guess
the bar or something that was there to keep it,
I guess more closed. And then just sat there with
my mom on the bed and holding a gun and
just he said he's never been that scared ever in
his whole life. He said that, And they just sat
there for hours and hours until he got the courage
to actually just get up and go out there, and
he said that what he did was immediately hooked the
camper up to his truck and moved it back up
closer to the road area, and he said that he's
he will absolutely never bring anything close like that to
the woods again. So that was the part that bothered
me the most is just hearing him say how scared
he was. I mean, that's just that was very very
strange to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no nonsense. Guy like that normally does open up
like that about experiences. But yeah, I bet that experience
really did frighten him. How did that affect your mom?
Did that really shake her up? Or does she take
it and stride for the most part.
Speaker 1: No, that's the same thing. She actually was very very
scared herself. And she even told me the same thing,
because I ended up talking to her about it as well,
and she said the same thing. Just as she said,
she's never seen you know, my dad that scared of something. Ever,
it was really uneasy feeling to her because if something
happens or whatever, he's the big safe guy, you know,
and so it just it really bothered her too, to
be honest with you, Oh, I.
Speaker 2: Bet it did. When you have someone with you that steely,
when you see them start to fall apart, that really
does shake you up, even more than you normally would
have been shaken up. So yeah, I bet it really
did affect her strongly.
Speaker 1: Definitely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll bet he's had other experiences with dog men
or possibly that same dog man. Well, where can you
tell us about them?
Speaker 1: Yes? Actually the other one, which this one is actually
when I I I literally just as he just told
this to me, like I said, less than a couple
of weeks ago, and I actually didn't know this up
until then, but I guess this one was probably only
about a year or two ago. He has a foiler
and actually he has a dog right now that is
actually a great Dame and he is a huge, huge dog,
I mean big dog, and he's like, you know, my
dad's best friend. They go everywhere, you know, an anywhere
my dad goes, he's got to go with, so he's
always with him. And he would get on his foiler
and they would ride back in the woods to that
lake area that I was telling you earlier about, and
he would ride his fowler out there, and Mako is
actually his name. Maco would follow him out to there,
and they would go out there and make it a
jump in the water and swim around and just you know,
they just sit there and just have a little bit
of time, and then they would just come back home.
And he said they got pretty used to doing this.
And he said that one day he got on the
foller was heading that way and that Maco would actually
kind of be in front of him, you know, just
a couple of feet or something. He would always be
in front though, And for some reason, he said that,
and this dog has never done this. Like I said,
this is also a dog that's not scared of nothing
out there. He is huge, I mean two hundred he's
at least two hundred pounds, so he's a massive dog.
And he just dead stopped in his tracks. Mako didn't
and just stopped and turned and just i mean bolted
back for no apparent reason at all. No one was
calling him. No one was doing nothing, and he didn't
stop to wait for Dad. He didn't do nothing. He
just literally left, I mean ran as fast as my
dad's ever seen run, which immediately, my dad said that
he had a feeling of like almost dread come over him.
He said his hair on the back of his neck
stood up, and that something told him to immediately stop
right there where he's going and turn around and leave.
So he said he just whipped the foeler around and
and just took off back towards the house. And he
said when he got back to the house, Mako was
literally at the door, clawing at it, you know, like
pauling at it, trying to get in. So whatever he
saw scared him, I mean scared the wits at it.
I mean he was. Dad said he was like shaking
even when he went in the house and was on
the couch or whatever, but he was like shaking and
you know, making the noise dogs mate when they're scared
and whimpering, I guess. But he said to that he
was very, very scared about that whole situation. It was
just really weird.
Speaker 2: Wow, poor man cow and poor your dad. That's horrible. Yeah,
how often do you think about dog men, Billy?
Speaker 3: A lot more than I should, I think. Put it
to you that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can understand. Why have you had any trouble
with nightmares?
Speaker 3: Believe it or not? No, I have not.
Speaker 2: Oh that's good. Yeah, Carl's already established the fact that
this experience affected him more strongly than you. But I
was just wondering how strongly it affected you.
Speaker 3: Well, to be honest with you, it affected me. You know,
I was pretty scared when I was little, but uh,
as I got older, I got really interested in it,
you know, trying to find out more about it. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Oh, I do know, and I definitely understand anything like
that that frightens you. The more you know about it,
the more you learn, the more comfortable you're going to
be thinking about it and realizing that. Okay, yeah, we
share the woods with all sorts of things that we
wish weren't there, but unfortunately they are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, before we.
Speaker 2: Get out, if you're a Carl, if I want to
understand you, Billy and some of your friends had another
experience as well, please tell us about that experience.
Speaker 1: Okay, So we were I guess I was about sixteen
years old, and me and Billy and two of our
really good friends that we had, and growing up, we'd
always go out to my grandparents house, the same property
where all this other lovely stuff has happened, and we
would stay at my grandparents just because there was woods.
We love woods, we love foilers and stuff like that.
So we'd go out there, you know, every other weekend
or something like that for a good couple of years
and just stay the night out there and just have fun. Well,
one particular night we had went and spent the night
at my grandparents' house, and everything was just normal up
until the point where we had to go in the
house and actually go to bed. So we went in
the house. We were all camped out on the floor
and on the couches and just being teenage dudes, you know,
goofing off, giggling and just whatnot being kids. But we
actually were sitting there and all of a sudden I
ended up seeing Actually it wasn't me, it was actually
our friend had seen a shadow going back and forth
because in my parents' living room they got like a
window basically above the door, and you could see there
was like my Grandpa's got lights and stuff out there,
street lights or whatever, hanging out and you could see
basically shadows if they walked by it. Well, he had said,
and he goes, hey, listen, I don't know what's going on,
but there's definitely something on the porch out there, walking
back and forth. And naturally, you know, us being teenage dudes,
I was like, yeah, okay, dude, you know, yeah, let's relax.
You're just trying to get us scared or whatever. And
he said, no, he goes, I promise you there's something
out there walking back and forth. He goes, watch. So
all of us started to be quiet and just sitting there,
and sure enough, we ended up seeing shadow going back
and forth. And then eventually the shadow had walked right
directly front of the light, blocking the light through the window,
and actually grabbed the door knob and started shaking it,
and I mean like shaking it a good amount, like
trying to get in, which naturally made us all freak out.
I instantly jumped up and I went got my granddad
and he come out, naturally had a gun a rifle
with him. We told him, hey, there's somebody trying to
get in here, which is what we thought. We thought
somebody was actually just trying to break in or something.
But he went out as soon as he opened the door. Now,
mind you, this whole thing from it shaking the doorknob
to go in and get my granddad, which was like
literally his room was right connected to the living room there.
So this didn't take but just a minute or two,
you know, from him shaking or whatever the world was
shaking the door knob to getting my granddad up was
two or three minutes at the very most. I mean,
it wouldn't even have been long enough for a human
being to even run away, you know what I mean.
The yard's so big and open, they would have been
seen and shot immediately, you know, once he come out.
So he went out and he had a flashlight, was
looking around and didn't see anything whatsoever. So he ended
up just coming back in saying, you know, you guys
are probably just scaring yourselves. There's no talent. It could
have been the dogs, could have been this and that,
you know, And we were like, there was definitely something there.
We're not imagining this. So we ended up laying back down,
and when we laid back down, we naturally I mean,
it took hours. I mean probably We didn't even go
to sleep until three or four in the morning, probably,
So from about i'd say about ten o'clock a night
to four o'clock in the morning, we were up just
constantly listening to whatever in the world was outside walking
around the porch. You know, you could hear it walking around,
and it was pretty heavy and just making noises, weird
noises outside and everything. But we finally just went to sleep.
So we woke up the next morning and actually to
my granddad outside, I mean cussing up a storm and
yelling telling us to get our butts out there. So
we all go outside and he goes, I don't know
what the world you guys were doing out here, He goes,
but you need to put my propane tanks and stuff
back up. We're like, what are you talking about? So
we get out and we look and like by the
porch and under the house, it has like this plastic
skirting stuff that is attached to it, you know, all
through the side and on the porch, and it was
all just literally ripped off, every bit of it. I
mean for a good fifteen foot was ripped off off,
and there was a bunch of pro paintings probably three
or four of them that were underneath the house there
and under the porch that were just slung all around
the yard for no apparent reason. And we said, well,
you know, we didn't do that. Why in the world
will we come out here and tear the porch up
and throw your pro paintings on the ground. You know,
that don't make no sense. And he said, well, he goes,
I don't know, maybe the dog tore it up or whatever.
He just you know, old man, he just did no
nonsense guy too, So he just told us just to
fix it. But I was talking to my brother about
this recently and my friend actually, and they both said,
it's kind of horrifying now remembering it, because, you know
then we didn't really think nothing of it until I
realized that, you know, that would mean that I'm assuming
it was the dog man had ripped all that stuff
up so it could come up under the porch and
up under where we were sleeping in the living room,
and was I don't know if it was just listening
to us, our trying to scarus or what, but it
was most certainly up under the house just for whatever reason,
which is horrifying to me. I was talking to Billy
about it, and that's just it's bothered me. Actually since
thinking about it, well.
Speaker 2: I can understand why it would bother you. Yeah, the
idea of a dog mean getting up underneath the house
like that, that's not going to give you the warm
and fuzzies. Yeah, it makes you one. How much time
its spent under the house that night?
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, it was. It wasn't good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well at least nothing happened, so we can still
play the glad game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And there was another experience we had
once again actually out near the property at my grandparents
as well. That was actually me, my brother, my cousin
actually from the place from where we found the book
that saying Zac. Cousin was with us and the friend
from the last thing I just shared. We're all went
out there to stay the night together again and we
ended up about twelve or one at night, ended up
just walking down to some railroad tracks that were actually
near my grandparents. I say near relatively. It was about
a mile down the dirt road from them, but we
had ended up getting on the railroad tracks and we're
just walking it and we walked a good and I
don't know half mile down towards where the woods and
everything was. And now, mind you, I do realize this
is not a smart thing. I don't recommend any kids
or anything doing this at all. But we ended up
making a fire in the center of the railroad tracks there,
and we're just sitting around, goofing off and you know,
just being teenage dudes. And we ended up actually because
there was rocks in the middle of where the railroad
tracks were, and we actually started picking them up and
just tossing them, just throwing them in the woods, just
you know, seeing how far we could throw them, see
if we could hit trees whatever. And believe it or not,
we actually started getting rocks thrown back at us, which
was off putting to say the least. We're like, okay, well,
you know, maybe one hit a tree and just bounce
back or something, you know what I mean. So we
threw another one. Sure enough, a few seconds later, boom
threw right back at us. So we did it another
I don't know, ten times. And each time we would
throw them and we'd make sure to listen, you know,
that way it didn't hit a tree or something, and
it was just bouncing back. And each time it got
thrown back at us. So we all went quiet because
obviously that was scary. That was a scary experience, and
we actually heard something walking around out there, which you know,
abruptly made us quickly put the fire out and just
take off running back to the house. But like I said,
that was the other other little thing that happened there.
But it was definitely strange for sure. You know, we
all talked about it afterwards, and we're like, you would
have to be a very messed up individual to be
I mean, we were out in the middle of the
woods at one o'clock, but there wasn't a whole bunch
of people out there other than us, And it would
take a very unique special person to be way out
in the woods waiting for people to come out and
throw rocks at them, to throw them back, you know
what I mean. So that was another encounter we were
just like kind of dumbfounded about.
Speaker 2: Really, from the way you described that experience, it sounds
to me like it just might have been a sasquatch
that time. It's hard to say for sure, we'll never know,
but yeah, it does sound that way to me. Well, gentlemen,
it's about time for us to get out of here,
but before we do, do you have any clothes in
comments you'd like to share?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just anybody that is dealing with stuff like this,
or if they've seen them themselves dog men, it's best
to share these, you know, encounters, tell people, you know,
rather it's your mom, your dad, your spouse, kids, whatever,
It is good to talk about it. And we do
very much appreciate you heck for letting us come on
here and talk about it and everything. And actually, the
funny thing is, it's actually kind of funny is me
and my brother has actually had this ongoing kind of
joke sort of about it took a long time for
people and our family because we've shared their story a
few times with a few people, and we're like, how
long does it have to be for us to stay
on this story before people realize we're not lying? You
know what I mean. It's from ten years old and
I'm now thirty six years old, and it's literally been
the same thing saying zac story, same everything, same experience,
and we've not budget so you know, at some point
people just got to start actually believing it, you know
what I mean, And they have, but it's it's been
kind of an ongoing joke, because we wouldn't be lying
this long.
Speaker 2: Well, of course not. I'm glad to hear they finally
came around, Bud. It's sure as a seame that it
took him so long to do so right. Yes, but
you'll have that sometimes. Well, gentlemen, I can't thank you
enough for coming on and sharing the details of that
experience with us. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: We appreciate it too, Vick.
Speaker 3: Thank you man, yep, thank you for letting us share
it with you.
Speaker 2: Oh you know you're welcome. Thanks again so much, and
have a great night.