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your support. Congress came to Charlotte today for a field

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hearing the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Oversight. The topic of

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the field hearing victims of violent crime. You heard the

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two witnesses testify about their loved ones who were murdered.

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Mia Alderman, grandmother of Mary Collins. She testified about Mary's

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case and the fact that it still hasn't gone to

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trial it's been five and a half years. Steve Federico,

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father of Logan Federico, who was murdered while visiting friends

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down in Colombia. There was also CMPD officer Justin Campbell

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who said the justice system in Mecklemburg County is quote trash,

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and he's like, I will suffer whatever consequences that come

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with me saying that, but it's the truth and we

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all know it. There was also Michael Woody, the owner

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and CEO of eight to eight Bail Bonds. He's also

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the North Carolina representative for the National Association of Bail Agents,

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and as I mentioned last hour, he basically was there

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to say, end the cash list bail system. It's not

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making anybody any safer. I got some messages, I'm gonna

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get to We have some more audio to go over,

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and we've got Alex who's been on hold. Hello Alex,

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welcome to the program. Hey, I'm all right, what's up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I just wanted to mention that the local political

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leaders are inept and the judicial system is corrupt, and

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we need someone in authority with ambition, intelligence and courage

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to take control of this crime infested Democrat run hellhole.

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I've lived my entire life, almost sixty two years, on

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the West side of Charlotte. You know how crime area,

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and I've seen the city's crime problem escalate dramatically, and

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it's high time for corrective action to be taken such

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as well, for one thing, make the criminals pay for

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what they do. I mean, it's slightly. They just get

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a slap on the wrist and then they're out victimizing

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other people. Enough is enough. The people of this town

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have suffered enough.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it needs to be done right, and it's going

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to require courage and leadership from the local Democrat Party leaders.

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That's who this pressure has to be applied to. And

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you know, they can easily dismiss us. You're going to

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hear it in these audio clips from the hearing. They

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just view all of this stuff as like, yes, yes,

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condolences you know, to the victims' families and all of that,

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but this is all just political theater and you guys

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need to just spend more money on stuff. And so

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that's that's been their approach. They are very aware of

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what Republicans are pinning on them, which is this soft

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on crime label. They're very aware of it, and they

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know it's politically damaging. That's why they keep pushing back

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on it. They have to, and they're trying to sort

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of rebrand themselves as if we don't remember what they

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were saying and what policies they put in place five

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years ago.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, I just wanted to mention something about a

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month ago. I phoned my cousin down in George and

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we were discussing the crime problenance cities like Atlanta and Charlotte,

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and I told her if the devil ever became mayor

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of Charlotte, he wouldn't have to change much.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's fair. I appreciate the call, Alex,

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thank you. Take care. Eric says that quote from Mia Alderman,

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the grandma, when she said only ten of us could

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go to the graveside service. They couldn't even have a

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funeral for Mary Collins because COVID, and Eric says that

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maybe the most heart wrenching part of her testimony the

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family's ability to grieve arbitrarily stolen by Roy Cooper. Yeah,

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by putting those caps on an outdoor funeral service. And

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some of us, like me were arguing at the time

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during COVID, I was making the point, you've got your

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three w's, you know, wear a mask, wait six feet apart,

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and what was the other one? Wash your hands? I

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think wind is the fourth. Add a fourth wind, ventilation,

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get airflow, go outside. But no, you had people that

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just went absolutely bonkers, drunk on power. These you know

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their inner tyrants. Now you know free to fly their

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freak flags, and they filled in skateboard parks in California

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with sands so kids couldn't go skateboarding. They arrested surfers

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out in the water, like just insane levels of authoritarian bs.

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Here's a tweet from It's all a distraction, It's a

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peat tweet. These stories are gut wrenching, but I feel

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so many Democrats will still defend the criminals. My heart

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is breaking for the victims' families. Russ says, I am

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aware of my bias, but it sure seems like DEM's.

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It sure seems Dems fight attempts to address mental health

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right up to the point where we start demanding more,

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and then suddenly they are champions of mental health or

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really anything to distract from their policies failing and to

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ensure as many criminals and mentally unstable individuals stay out

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among us. Yeah, I do get that feeling too, The

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Helian says man Deborah Ross trashed her own moment of valor.

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She should just stop talking. Yeah, Like that's a very

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bad mistake, But it also is indicative of the fact

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that she doesn't know who Logan Federico was. She doesn't

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know who this witness is in front of her, Steve Federico,

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Logan's father, and she doesn't know what Arena Zarutzka looks like.

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How could you not know that the woman in that

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photo is I mean, I know they're both attractive blonde girls,

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but they don't look the same. They're different people. And

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Deborah Ross, sitting five feet away from the photo, thinks

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that's Arena Zarutzka, whose family was not there, did not testify,

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but she made sure, you know, to give her condolences

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and then also say, now you know, the family didn't

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want people sharing the final images and the video of

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the attack. And then she threw in the line about

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we shouldn't politicize it either, as if that came from

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the family. I'm not aware of the family saying don't

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politicize it. I read their statement the other day. I

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don't recall that being part of it. But this is

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what democrats are trying to are trying to guard against.

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They don't they don't want this issue percolating, this crime issue.

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They don't want it because they know they are vulnerable

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on it, and for good reason. By the way, this

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story The Charlotte Observer did a good story Joe Marrisak

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or Marusak. He did a an interview with Mia Alderman

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for a story that was published today at the Charlotte Observer,

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talking about this case, the murder of Mary Collins. She

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was twenty years old, She had a cognitive disability, and

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she was murdered in twenty twenty after Prosecutors say that

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she was lured to an apartment by people that she

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thought were her friends but were not. She was stabbed

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one hundred and thirty three times. Two men and two

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women were arrested. One of the accused is Kelly Lavery

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or Lavery. She pleaded guilty and was sentenced to twenty

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five years in prison, more than five years after the attack,

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though the other three have not been tried. That includes

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America Deal, who was allowed to stay with her mom

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and grandma in Clover, South Carolina at their home. Another

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round of court hearings is scheduled for the end of

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the year, December eleventh and December thirty first for suspect

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James Salerno and Lavvy fam December the end of the year,

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still like Salerno was actually given bond back in twenty

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twenty three for participating in the murder of Mary Collins,

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stabbing her and then wrapping her body in plastic, putting

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it into a mattress where I believe it is going

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to be argued that they were going to burn the

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mattress to dispose of the body. That was the intent,

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and he was actually let out on bail. So when

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I was a kid, my grandpa died with Alzheimer's, and

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before he died, my mom and my dad took care

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of him as he got worse. Forty years ago, there

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were no treatments and not much support for caregivers and family.

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But things are different today because of the work of

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so many people, including the Alzheimer's Association of Western Carolina.

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It's a great organization with awesome people with huge hearts.

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I've been a supporter for twenty five years. This cause

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means a lot to me. I participate in the annual

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Walk to End Alzheimer's and I'm leading a Charlotte team

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again this year, and it's called once Again Pete's Pack.

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You can sign up and you can join the team

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There's also a link at thepetepod dot com. There's also

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a link in the description of this podcast. Also, I'll

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be am seeing the Gastonia Walk on October eleventh, and

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so you can make a team and join that one too,

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or make a donation and help me hit my goal

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of five thousand dollars. If you do, I really appreciate it.

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There are a bunch of other walks all over the Carolinas.

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You can go to alz dot org slash walk for

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all the dates and locations. Were closer than ever to

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stopping Alzheimer's. Can you help us get there? Will you

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walk with me? For a different future, for families, for

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more time for treatments. This is why we walk. Let's

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get Gary on. Hey, Gary, welcome to the program.

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Speaker 3: Well, Pete, Yo, this is a first. This is the

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first time I have ever called you. My wife is

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a big fan, and I wanted to call you today

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with a statistic okay that I was given last night

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in a conference call with the North Carolina High School

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Athletic Association, of which, just so I can have a

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little crid, this makes you're thirty two in multiple sports. Okay, well,

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state championships. But my point to this is one word respect.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: I know your show is highly political, and yeah, either

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here or there, but I have a statistic for you.

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It's gonna knock your socks off. I hope you're sitting down.

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Speaker 1: I am always sitting down.

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Speaker 3: The school school year has been going on for about

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six weeks. I think they have played eight weeks of volleyball.

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I think six weeks of football. They also were playing soccer. Now,

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when I tell you what I'm getting ready to tell you,

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I think you can forget the volleyball. I don't think

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this is happening in volleyball, but from Mantio to Murphy

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in the state of North Carolina, in just the past

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six weeks of high school athletics, three sports. Would you

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like to guess how many ejections we've had.

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Speaker 1: Is this of the student athletes or is this also

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parod fans.

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Speaker 3: We're not talking fans, we're talking student athletes, just the students.

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Speaker 1: Well, I would guess's be ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: I'll give you a hand. Be ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: I mean I could be very very ridiculous. I mean

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your wife would tell you that she could assure you,

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I could be completely ridiculous below go ahead, Well, I

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could say a million.

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Speaker 3: Two hundred and fifty one ejections.

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Speaker 1: That seems high, and that's not.

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Speaker 3: Coming from volleyball. And I don't think it's coming from soccer.

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I don't do those. I can't say. So we've got

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to believe there's one sport leading the way, which in

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the football t weeks. That to me is one of

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the most astonishing statistics I have ever heard in my life.

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And it all boils down, It all boils down to respect.

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Speaker 1: I have noticed this weird thing among younger people that

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demand well, it's usually the p I'll just say like this,

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because it's not just younger people. There's older people that

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do this too. They demand respect from everybody else but

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offer none of it to anyone.

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Speaker 3: It's all one sided right the time. It's all one sided, right.

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I know it's highly emotional. I know there's there's there's

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a lot of intensity to it. But at some point

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in somewhere and sometime along the line, you got to

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know when enough is enough, and you got to know

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where that line is. And it's it's pretty much been

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a known fact since I was a little kid. I fought,

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but apparently that's not the case anymore.

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Speaker 1: On this.

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Speaker 3: It's just so sad on this conference call that I

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was just I was dumbfounded.

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Speaker 1: So on this conference call when they gave that number,

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was there any discussion about like or any discussion about

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it like or was it just like thrown out as

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just a data point and then they moved on.

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Speaker 3: This was from the the supervisor in Chapel Hill to

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the officials, so the number is accurate. This was from

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the man himself.

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Speaker 1: Right, But was there any was there any discussion.

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Speaker 3: A keep the fake conversation, do what you gotta do,

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don't turn a blind eye that kind of thing. You know,

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you hate it, You wish it wouldn't happen. You sometimes

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don't know why it happens. But is bi o balcos

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you say it is what it is.

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Speaker 1: It is what it is.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So all right, so he was he was talking

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with officiating crews basically and saying like, we see these numbers,

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two hundred and fifty one injections so far this year

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in six weeks, so like, you're not crazy. We are

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seeing this across the state. And if you got to

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toss people keep tossing them.

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Speaker 3: That's that's true.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's sad, that's what it is.

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Speaker 3: Just it's appalling, and you just it all goes back

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to upbringing. Yeah, and uh and let me put it

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to you. This'll put a PS to this. This does

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not that number does not factor middle school play because

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middle school play is not governed at the high school

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Athletic Association office, right, that's done by the athletic director

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in each county. I wonder it's just tenth ninth through

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twelfth grade, uh, in high school play.

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Speaker 1: I wonder how many not.

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Speaker 3: Affected or added to in any way, shape or form.

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So it's just ninth through twelfth scenarios.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder how the middle school numbers would impact

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this two fifty one. I also wonder how many fan

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ejections there have been that would count also on that,

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So Gary, I appreciate.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if they track that be something that

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I guess the game day administrator at each school would

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have to to keep some count some way. At Chapel Hill. Yeah, basically,

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the UH police and that kind of thing handle all

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that stuff once they come out on the field or

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they come out on the court, or they throw something

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on the floor, or you hear them stand up and

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yale one of two words basically there for the ticket

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will let them do a lot of things. I got

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what I've told a lot of them. You bought a

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ticket to get in, and you don't need one to leave.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. That's good advice.

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Speaker 3: Gary.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the call man. Thank you, Thank you, brother.

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Speaker 2: I have good day.

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Speaker 1: You're too, take care. Yeah. I don't know what to

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make of that two hundred and fifty one ejections. I'd

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be curious to know how many they've had historically. Like

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the trend line is probably not good on This not

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I shall now read some messages from the text line,

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Joseph says. Back when they should have been doing things

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to prevent these people's deaths, they were kneeling for George

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Floyd and cheering on rioters. Um Alma Adams doesn't want

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the Republicans to cast Democrats as soft on crime. Well,

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easy fix. Stop being soft on crime. Problem solved. I'll

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allow it. What kind of lawmaker are you? You don't

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even know what Arena Zarutzka look like. How pathetic you

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are living under your elitist rock. That's directed to Congresswoman

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Deborah Ross, who misidentified a murder victim to her father

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at the hearing today. Here's an anonymous Democrat. I'm gonna guess,

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cashless bail. How would that have prevented the mass shootings

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that just occurred? Too little, too late. Yeah. So see,

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here's the thing. Leftists always do this whenever you start

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talking about crime and shootings. Gun control stuff. This is

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the conflation, right, They talk about gun deaths, and they

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use that to paint this picture that you know, we're

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a wash and guns and all of this, and you

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conflate suicides with domestic violence with street violence, and those

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are all different types of crimes, right, or in the

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case of suicide, you know, events or incidents, and the

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response to suicide is not going to be the same

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response to domestic violence, and that's not going to be

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the same response to street crime. Right, They're different, just

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like and none of those really applied to the mass shooters,

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which are very rare, but like, this is what they do.

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They throw it all into this one basket. And then

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they say, oh, so we shouldn't change Cashle's bail because

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it wouldn't prevent this one thing. Yeah, but it would

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prevent these other things. So again, don't whizz on my

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boots and tell me it's raining. They go on to say,

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it's mental health programs that barely exist. And the assault

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rifles that you hand out like popcorn. Okay, I don't

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hand out assault rifles like their popcorn, okay, because that's

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just not profitable for me, Like that would cost me

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a lot of money. You're not expensive. Those things are like, yeah,

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the hundreds of dollars and then I'm just not going

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to go hand them out to people. Also, that would

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be illegal, and that's called straw purchasing. This is one

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of the other things why I identify this person as

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probably a Democrat is that they don't actually know what

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the gun laws are. They think it's easy to get

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a gun. They think it's it's so simple, and we're

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handing them all out, and like, no, that's that's not

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the case, and that would be illegal. Handing out guns

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like that is illegal. You that's straw purchasing. When you're

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buying a gun and then handing it off to somebody else,

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that's illegal. And typically the law abiding people that are

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the vast majority of gun owners, legal gun owners, commit

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no crimes. It is the criminals. So let's crack down

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on the the violence, criminal offenders, felons that possess firearms

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after they get out of jail and prison and then

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they go out and they're a prohibited buyer, but then

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they go out and get stolen guns and they use

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them in more crimes. How about we crack down on

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them even harder. How about that would you be okay

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with that North Carolina is not even in the top

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fifty most dangerous cities. Yeah. The Democrats said this today too.

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They pointed out that Charlotte is like the ninth safest

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city and Raleigh is the tenth safest city, which I'm

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sure is great comfort to the victims' families there. They're

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identifying problems in the judicial system. And you may want

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to bury your head in the sand on this, but

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people who have been paying attention to it, either because

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a loved one has been victimized and now they are

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thrown into this world and now they see how this

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stuff works, or you're somebody kind of like me. I've

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been a reporter and a talk show host in Charlotte

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in North Carolina for now almost thirty years. So I've

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covered a lot of crime, covered a lot of court cases.

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And as the CNPD officer said, the court system in

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Mecklenburg is trash and the people who interact with it

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know this. We're five years waiting for a trial, and

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think about this. The crime spike that we saw in

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twenty twenty at COVID and all of that, right, we

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saw this huge jump in crime and those cases now

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would be working through this, like, we haven't even gotten

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to the spike yet. They're not even trying those cases yet.

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I mean, they want to talk about the You know,

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the crime levels have dropped in the last two years,

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and that's good. Absolutely, I am pro declining crime rates. However,

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you have das that are just now finishing up the

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twenty nineteen trials, which means that the big bulk of

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the crime that we saw in twenty twenty and twenty one,

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like those numbers, they haven't even gotten into the system yet.

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They haven't started the trials for those. That's a problem.

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And again, you can stick your head in the sand

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about this stuff, but I'm not going to. They then say,

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get back to work and support healthcare, including mental health

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for these veterans, and others think they make a change

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and stop whining. Yeah, I know. I feel like I'm

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paid pretty well to wine been doing it for a while,

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so I think I'm just going to keep doing that.

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And some say that I am making a change by

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my whining. I mean, it's not a lot of people

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that say that, but Aaron says, they just don't care.

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They want to pass the ball off to somebody else.

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Dan says, this is the reason we have somebody like

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Trump in the White House. For decades, the Democrat and

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Republican establishments at all levels of government have failed to

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protect citizens from crime. Yeah, I mean there's running on

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a law and order campaign has worked for candidates for decades, decades.

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It is the fundamental thing that a government is supposed

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to provide first and foremost. It is like the this

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is the you know, the hierarchy of needs. You need security.

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That's why we sacrifice some of our liberties, turn them

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over to the government in exchange for that security. And

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if you can't provide the security, then like, what are

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Judiciary Committee's field hearing in Charlotte, where Congresswoman Alma Adams

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of the variety of hats from Charlotte, and she said,

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this is all political theater and this is just about

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Republicans trying to score political points.

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Speaker 4: I'd also like to extend my condolences to the family

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and the friends of Arena zdus Gamp on this tragic murder.

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It was senseless and certainly we're continuing to hold all

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of you in our prayers. No one should feel unsafe

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in their community or in their home. Senseless acts of

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violence have no place in our society, and they must

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be met with a commitment to creating safer communities for everyone.

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All perpetrators of violent crimes must be held accountable, and

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they must pay their debt to society to ensure that

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justice is served and to protect our communities. I'm a

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little disappointed to Chairman that my colleagues here are politically

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sizing the pain under the guise of seeking justice, when

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really I think there's an eye on this open seat.

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That's the real prize. And I'm gonna just be honest,

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that's how I am. But this is why I think

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we're here, and even though we should be in Washington

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trying to make sure that government stays open. But the

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hearing for me is not really about public safety. It's

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about my colleagues trying to paint Democrats have soft on

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crime and we're not, and engaging in political theater, probably

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to score some headlines. Now, we don't need to try

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to distract the American people to cover up our own

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failure that we have not had the real solutions. And

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while we refuse to equip local government with the funding

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and the resources that they need to keep communities safe.

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We've heard that here. Public safety transcends politics, and that's

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why Congress in twenty twenty two passed the Bipartisans saye

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Communities that signed into law by President Biden.

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Speaker 1: All right, so there you go. The Republicans are politicizing it,

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trying to score headlines with an eye on the open seat.

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I'm guessing she's talking about a congressional district in North Carolina.

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Is this the Don Davis District? One seat that's a

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swing district? Is that the idea? But also this idea

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that Republicans are somehow politicizing crime. Okay, yes, and see

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what do you think? What do you think? Politics? Is right?

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This is how we come to policies, and the policies

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and laws are what govern our judicial system. That's the point.

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And so we have law makers, one of whom is you,

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Alma Adams. You're a law so you can, as the

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name indicates, make laws. And so when you engage in

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the debate about what law to make, that's politics. And yes,

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that's where all of the crime stuff gets hashed out

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is among the lawmakers. And when they identify problems, when

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people when the public comes forward and says, this system

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you made isn't working. We demand justice, We demand speedy

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trials for the murderers of our loved ones. Right, you

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should pay attention to that. And if you're not going

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to pay attention to that, then that is to your

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own political peril. That's on you. Like I am perplexed

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at this reaction among elected Democrats, like are you that

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wedded to these terrible ideas? Are you? Are you so

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afraid of your base getting angry? And what voting Republican

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like this was an opportunity to kind of tack back

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towards sanity and they just can't do it. They just

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cannot bring themselves to do it. Then there was this

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This is Kevin Kyleie Republican from California.

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Speaker 5: This sense of lawlessness is seen in the ordinary conditions

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of life for people as well. In Los Angeles, the

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police chief has advised people do not wear your jewelry

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when you go outside. People have to walk through homeless

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encampments on their way to work with all manner of

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drug use. Another unlawful activity. You walk into a CVS

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or a basic store and your shampoo and conditioner is

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under lock and key because theft is so rampant. We

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see that in Washington, DC as well. You probably see

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it here in Charlotte. So these and in fact, in

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my own state of California, we just had an incident

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two weeks ago where and apparently an act of politically

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motivated violence, an individual fired three shots into a local

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news organization and he was at large for some time,

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and then we all breathe a sigh of relief when

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he was apprehended. Thankfully, no one was hurt, the shots

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didn't hit anyone, but then he was immediately released. A

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man who just fired three shots into a news studio.

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Fortunately there was a federal nexus. The FBI apprehended him

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soon after that. But this is the core of the problem.

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It's criminology one ZHO one that the best deterrent against

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crime is the certainty of punishment. And the way that

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many of these jurisdictions are set up is there's various

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dimensions to the criminal justice system that undermine the certainty

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of punishment. So if you're a criminal committing even a

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very serious crime, you probably think there's not a very

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good challenge you're going to get caught, because the police

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departments are understaffed and they've been defunded. But then even

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if you do get caught, there's a good chance you

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won't be prosecuted because you have these rogue district attorneys

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who don't prosecute crime. But then even if you do

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get prosecuted, there's a pretty good chance he'll be let

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out on pre tario release on bail, or even maybe

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on on supervised release without bail, or that even if

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you are convicted, then the punishments are so weak that

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it really won't be much of a punishment at all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's exactly right. This story out of California that

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he mentioned, this was an ABC affiliate that was shot

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up during the you know, the left fever dream of

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free speech. Martyr Jimmy Kimmel and some guy drove down

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to the local ABC ten station in Sacramento and fired

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a bunch of rounds into the building And he was

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then bailed out, Like what are you doing and shot

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blindly into a building. He could have killed many people,

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and you're just gonna let him walk back out onto

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the street. You don't think that that might be a

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security risk to the society. Of course it is. He's

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obviously unstable he's deranged. He also worked for the teachers Union.

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I'm sure it's not connected though. Oh actually, all right,

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that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much

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