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your support. Congress came to Charlotte today for a field
hearing the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Oversight. The topic of
the field hearing victims of violent crime. You heard the
two witnesses testify about their loved ones who were murdered.
Mia Alderman, grandmother of Mary Collins. She testified about Mary's
case and the fact that it still hasn't gone to
trial it's been five and a half years. Steve Federico,
father of Logan Federico, who was murdered while visiting friends
down in Colombia. There was also CMPD officer Justin Campbell
who said the justice system in Mecklemburg County is quote trash,
and he's like, I will suffer whatever consequences that come
with me saying that, but it's the truth and we
all know it. There was also Michael Woody, the owner
and CEO of eight to eight Bail Bonds. He's also
the North Carolina representative for the National Association of Bail Agents,
and as I mentioned last hour, he basically was there
to say, end the cash list bail system. It's not
making anybody any safer. I got some messages, I'm gonna
get to We have some more audio to go over,
and we've got Alex who's been on hold. Hello Alex,
welcome to the program. Hey, I'm all right, what's up.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just wanted to mention that the local political
leaders are inept and the judicial system is corrupt, and
we need someone in authority with ambition, intelligence and courage
to take control of this crime infested Democrat run hellhole.
I've lived my entire life, almost sixty two years, on
the West side of Charlotte. You know how crime area,
and I've seen the city's crime problem escalate dramatically, and
it's high time for corrective action to be taken such
as well, for one thing, make the criminals pay for
what they do. I mean, it's slightly. They just get
a slap on the wrist and then they're out victimizing
other people. Enough is enough. The people of this town
have suffered enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it needs to be done right, and it's going
to require courage and leadership from the local Democrat Party leaders.
That's who this pressure has to be applied to. And
you know, they can easily dismiss us. You're going to
hear it in these audio clips from the hearing. They
just view all of this stuff as like, yes, yes,
condolences you know, to the victims' families and all of that,
but this is all just political theater and you guys
need to just spend more money on stuff. And so
that's that's been their approach. They are very aware of
what Republicans are pinning on them, which is this soft
on crime label. They're very aware of it, and they
know it's politically damaging. That's why they keep pushing back
on it. They have to, and they're trying to sort
of rebrand themselves as if we don't remember what they
were saying and what policies they put in place five
years ago.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I just wanted to mention something about a
month ago. I phoned my cousin down in George and
we were discussing the crime problenance cities like Atlanta and Charlotte,
and I told her if the devil ever became mayor
of Charlotte, he wouldn't have to change much.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's fair. I appreciate the call, Alex,
thank you. Take care. Eric says that quote from Mia Alderman,
the grandma, when she said only ten of us could
go to the graveside service. They couldn't even have a
funeral for Mary Collins because COVID, and Eric says that
maybe the most heart wrenching part of her testimony the
family's ability to grieve arbitrarily stolen by Roy Cooper. Yeah,
by putting those caps on an outdoor funeral service. And
some of us, like me were arguing at the time
during COVID, I was making the point, you've got your
three w's, you know, wear a mask, wait six feet apart,
and what was the other one? Wash your hands? I
think wind is the fourth. Add a fourth wind, ventilation,
get airflow, go outside. But no, you had people that
just went absolutely bonkers, drunk on power. These you know
their inner tyrants. Now you know free to fly their
freak flags, and they filled in skateboard parks in California
with sands so kids couldn't go skateboarding. They arrested surfers
out in the water, like just insane levels of authoritarian bs.
Here's a tweet from It's all a distraction, It's a
peat tweet. These stories are gut wrenching, but I feel
so many Democrats will still defend the criminals. My heart
is breaking for the victims' families. Russ says, I am
aware of my bias, but it sure seems like DEM's.
It sure seems Dems fight attempts to address mental health
right up to the point where we start demanding more,
and then suddenly they are champions of mental health or
really anything to distract from their policies failing and to
ensure as many criminals and mentally unstable individuals stay out
among us. Yeah, I do get that feeling too, The
Helian says man Deborah Ross trashed her own moment of valor.
She should just stop talking. Yeah, Like that's a very
bad mistake, But it also is indicative of the fact
that she doesn't know who Logan Federico was. She doesn't
know who this witness is in front of her, Steve Federico,
Logan's father, and she doesn't know what Arena Zarutzka looks like.
How could you not know that the woman in that
photo is I mean, I know they're both attractive blonde girls,
but they don't look the same. They're different people. And
Deborah Ross, sitting five feet away from the photo, thinks
that's Arena Zarutzka, whose family was not there, did not testify,
but she made sure, you know, to give her condolences
and then also say, now you know, the family didn't
want people sharing the final images and the video of
the attack. And then she threw in the line about
we shouldn't politicize it either, as if that came from
the family. I'm not aware of the family saying don't
politicize it. I read their statement the other day. I
don't recall that being part of it. But this is
what democrats are trying to are trying to guard against.
They don't they don't want this issue percolating, this crime issue.
They don't want it because they know they are vulnerable
on it, and for good reason. By the way, this
story The Charlotte Observer did a good story Joe Marrisak
or Marusak. He did a an interview with Mia Alderman
for a story that was published today at the Charlotte Observer,
talking about this case, the murder of Mary Collins. She
was twenty years old, She had a cognitive disability, and
she was murdered in twenty twenty after Prosecutors say that
she was lured to an apartment by people that she
thought were her friends but were not. She was stabbed
one hundred and thirty three times. Two men and two
women were arrested. One of the accused is Kelly Lavery
or Lavery. She pleaded guilty and was sentenced to twenty
five years in prison, more than five years after the attack,
though the other three have not been tried. That includes
America Deal, who was allowed to stay with her mom
and grandma in Clover, South Carolina at their home. Another
round of court hearings is scheduled for the end of
the year, December eleventh and December thirty first for suspect
James Salerno and Lavvy fam December the end of the year,
still like Salerno was actually given bond back in twenty
twenty three for participating in the murder of Mary Collins,
stabbing her and then wrapping her body in plastic, putting
it into a mattress where I believe it is going
to be argued that they were going to burn the
mattress to dispose of the body. That was the intent,
and he was actually let out on bail. So when
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get Gary on. Hey, Gary, welcome to the program.
Speaker 3: Well, Pete, Yo, this is a first. This is the
first time I have ever called you. My wife is
a big fan, and I wanted to call you today
with a statistic okay that I was given last night
in a conference call with the North Carolina High School
Athletic Association, of which, just so I can have a
little crid, this makes you're thirty two in multiple sports. Okay, well,
state championships. But my point to this is one word respect.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I know your show is highly political, and yeah, either
here or there, but I have a statistic for you.
It's gonna knock your socks off. I hope you're sitting down.
Speaker 1: I am always sitting down.
Speaker 3: The school school year has been going on for about
six weeks. I think they have played eight weeks of volleyball.
I think six weeks of football. They also were playing soccer. Now,
when I tell you what I'm getting ready to tell you,
I think you can forget the volleyball. I don't think
this is happening in volleyball, but from Mantio to Murphy
in the state of North Carolina, in just the past
six weeks of high school athletics, three sports. Would you
like to guess how many ejections we've had.
Speaker 1: Is this of the student athletes or is this also
parod fans.
Speaker 3: We're not talking fans, we're talking student athletes, just the students.
Speaker 1: Well, I would guess's be ridiculous.
Speaker 3: I'll give you a hand. Be ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I mean I could be very very ridiculous. I mean
your wife would tell you that she could assure you,
I could be completely ridiculous below go ahead, Well, I
could say a million.
Speaker 3: Two hundred and fifty one ejections.
Speaker 1: That seems high, and that's not.
Speaker 3: Coming from volleyball. And I don't think it's coming from soccer.
I don't do those. I can't say. So we've got
to believe there's one sport leading the way, which in
the football t weeks. That to me is one of
the most astonishing statistics I have ever heard in my life.
And it all boils down, It all boils down to respect.
Speaker 1: I have noticed this weird thing among younger people that
demand well, it's usually the p I'll just say like this,
because it's not just younger people. There's older people that
do this too. They demand respect from everybody else but
offer none of it to anyone.
Speaker 3: It's all one sided right the time. It's all one sided, right.
I know it's highly emotional. I know there's there's there's
a lot of intensity to it. But at some point
in somewhere and sometime along the line, you got to
know when enough is enough, and you got to know
where that line is. And it's it's pretty much been
a known fact since I was a little kid. I fought,
but apparently that's not the case anymore.
Speaker 1: On this.
Speaker 3: It's just so sad on this conference call that I
was just I was dumbfounded.
Speaker 1: So on this conference call when they gave that number,
was there any discussion about like or any discussion about
it like or was it just like thrown out as
just a data point and then they moved on.
Speaker 3: This was from the the supervisor in Chapel Hill to
the officials, so the number is accurate. This was from
the man himself.
Speaker 1: Right, But was there any was there any discussion.
Speaker 3: A keep the fake conversation, do what you gotta do,
don't turn a blind eye that kind of thing. You know,
you hate it, You wish it wouldn't happen. You sometimes
don't know why it happens. But is bi o balcos
you say it is what it is.
Speaker 1: It is what it is.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So all right, so he was he was talking
with officiating crews basically and saying like, we see these numbers,
two hundred and fifty one injections so far this year
in six weeks, so like, you're not crazy. We are
seeing this across the state. And if you got to
toss people keep tossing them.
Speaker 3: That's that's true.
Speaker 1: I mean it's sad, that's what it is.
Speaker 3: Just it's appalling, and you just it all goes back
to upbringing. Yeah, and uh and let me put it
to you. This'll put a PS to this. This does
not that number does not factor middle school play because
middle school play is not governed at the high school
Athletic Association office, right, that's done by the athletic director
in each county. I wonder it's just tenth ninth through
twelfth grade, uh, in high school play.
Speaker 1: I wonder how many not.
Speaker 3: Affected or added to in any way, shape or form.
So it's just ninth through twelfth scenarios.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder how the middle school numbers would impact
this two fifty one. I also wonder how many fan
ejections there have been that would count also on that,
So Gary, I appreciate.
Speaker 3: I don't know if they track that be something that
I guess the game day administrator at each school would
have to to keep some count some way. At Chapel Hill. Yeah, basically,
the UH police and that kind of thing handle all
that stuff once they come out on the field or
they come out on the court, or they throw something
on the floor, or you hear them stand up and
yale one of two words basically there for the ticket
will let them do a lot of things. I got
what I've told a lot of them. You bought a
ticket to get in, and you don't need one to leave.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. That's good advice.
Speaker 3: Gary.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the call man. Thank you, Thank you, brother.
Speaker 2: I have good day.
Speaker 1: You're too, take care. Yeah. I don't know what to
make of that two hundred and fifty one ejections. I'd
be curious to know how many they've had historically. Like
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I shall now read some messages from the text line,
Joseph says. Back when they should have been doing things
to prevent these people's deaths, they were kneeling for George
Floyd and cheering on rioters. Um Alma Adams doesn't want
the Republicans to cast Democrats as soft on crime. Well,
easy fix. Stop being soft on crime. Problem solved. I'll
allow it. What kind of lawmaker are you? You don't
even know what Arena Zarutzka look like. How pathetic you
are living under your elitist rock. That's directed to Congresswoman
Deborah Ross, who misidentified a murder victim to her father
at the hearing today. Here's an anonymous Democrat. I'm gonna guess,
cashless bail. How would that have prevented the mass shootings
that just occurred? Too little, too late. Yeah. So see,
here's the thing. Leftists always do this whenever you start
talking about crime and shootings. Gun control stuff. This is
the conflation, right, They talk about gun deaths, and they
use that to paint this picture that you know, we're
a wash and guns and all of this, and you
conflate suicides with domestic violence with street violence, and those
are all different types of crimes, right, or in the
case of suicide, you know, events or incidents, and the
response to suicide is not going to be the same
response to domestic violence, and that's not going to be
the same response to street crime. Right, They're different, just
like and none of those really applied to the mass shooters,
which are very rare, but like, this is what they do.
They throw it all into this one basket. And then
they say, oh, so we shouldn't change Cashle's bail because
it wouldn't prevent this one thing. Yeah, but it would
prevent these other things. So again, don't whizz on my
boots and tell me it's raining. They go on to say,
it's mental health programs that barely exist. And the assault
rifles that you hand out like popcorn. Okay, I don't
hand out assault rifles like their popcorn, okay, because that's
just not profitable for me, Like that would cost me
a lot of money. You're not expensive. Those things are like, yeah,
the hundreds of dollars and then I'm just not going
to go hand them out to people. Also, that would
be illegal, and that's called straw purchasing. This is one
of the other things why I identify this person as
probably a Democrat is that they don't actually know what
the gun laws are. They think it's easy to get
a gun. They think it's it's so simple, and we're
handing them all out, and like, no, that's that's not
the case, and that would be illegal. Handing out guns
like that is illegal. You that's straw purchasing. When you're
buying a gun and then handing it off to somebody else,
that's illegal. And typically the law abiding people that are
the vast majority of gun owners, legal gun owners, commit
no crimes. It is the criminals. So let's crack down
on the the violence, criminal offenders, felons that possess firearms
after they get out of jail and prison and then
they go out and they're a prohibited buyer, but then
they go out and get stolen guns and they use
them in more crimes. How about we crack down on
them even harder. How about that would you be okay
with that North Carolina is not even in the top
fifty most dangerous cities. Yeah. The Democrats said this today too.
They pointed out that Charlotte is like the ninth safest
city and Raleigh is the tenth safest city, which I'm
sure is great comfort to the victims' families there. They're
identifying problems in the judicial system. And you may want
to bury your head in the sand on this, but
people who have been paying attention to it, either because
a loved one has been victimized and now they are
thrown into this world and now they see how this
stuff works, or you're somebody kind of like me. I've
been a reporter and a talk show host in Charlotte
in North Carolina for now almost thirty years. So I've
covered a lot of crime, covered a lot of court cases.
And as the CNPD officer said, the court system in
Mecklenburg is trash and the people who interact with it
know this. We're five years waiting for a trial, and
think about this. The crime spike that we saw in
twenty twenty at COVID and all of that, right, we
saw this huge jump in crime and those cases now
would be working through this, like, we haven't even gotten
to the spike yet. They're not even trying those cases yet.
I mean, they want to talk about the You know,
the crime levels have dropped in the last two years,
and that's good. Absolutely, I am pro declining crime rates. However,
you have das that are just now finishing up the
twenty nineteen trials, which means that the big bulk of
the crime that we saw in twenty twenty and twenty one,
like those numbers, they haven't even gotten into the system yet.
They haven't started the trials for those. That's a problem.
And again, you can stick your head in the sand
about this stuff, but I'm not going to. They then say,
get back to work and support healthcare, including mental health
for these veterans, and others think they make a change
and stop whining. Yeah, I know. I feel like I'm
paid pretty well to wine been doing it for a while,
so I think I'm just going to keep doing that.
And some say that I am making a change by
my whining. I mean, it's not a lot of people
that say that, but Aaron says, they just don't care.
They want to pass the ball off to somebody else.
Dan says, this is the reason we have somebody like
Trump in the White House. For decades, the Democrat and
Republican establishments at all levels of government have failed to
protect citizens from crime. Yeah, I mean there's running on
a law and order campaign has worked for candidates for decades, decades.
It is the fundamental thing that a government is supposed
to provide first and foremost. It is like the this
is the you know, the hierarchy of needs. You need security.
That's why we sacrifice some of our liberties, turn them
over to the government in exchange for that security. And
if you can't provide the security, then like, what are
you even doing here?
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to play this sound real quick. Hopefully it's still racked
and loaded. Here from the live stream of the House
Judiciary Committee's field hearing in Charlotte, where Congresswoman Alma Adams
of the variety of hats from Charlotte, and she said,
this is all political theater and this is just about
Republicans trying to score political points.
Speaker 4: I'd also like to extend my condolences to the family
and the friends of Arena zdus Gamp on this tragic murder.
It was senseless and certainly we're continuing to hold all
of you in our prayers. No one should feel unsafe
in their community or in their home. Senseless acts of
violence have no place in our society, and they must
be met with a commitment to creating safer communities for everyone.
All perpetrators of violent crimes must be held accountable, and
they must pay their debt to society to ensure that
justice is served and to protect our communities. I'm a
little disappointed to Chairman that my colleagues here are politically
sizing the pain under the guise of seeking justice, when
really I think there's an eye on this open seat.
That's the real prize. And I'm gonna just be honest,
that's how I am. But this is why I think
we're here, and even though we should be in Washington
trying to make sure that government stays open. But the
hearing for me is not really about public safety. It's
about my colleagues trying to paint Democrats have soft on
crime and we're not, and engaging in political theater, probably
to score some headlines. Now, we don't need to try
to distract the American people to cover up our own
failure that we have not had the real solutions. And
while we refuse to equip local government with the funding
and the resources that they need to keep communities safe.
We've heard that here. Public safety transcends politics, and that's
why Congress in twenty twenty two passed the Bipartisans saye
Communities that signed into law by President Biden.
Speaker 1: All right, so there you go. The Republicans are politicizing it,
trying to score headlines with an eye on the open seat.
I'm guessing she's talking about a congressional district in North Carolina.
Is this the Don Davis District? One seat that's a
swing district? Is that the idea? But also this idea
that Republicans are somehow politicizing crime. Okay, yes, and see
what do you think? What do you think? Politics? Is right?
This is how we come to policies, and the policies
and laws are what govern our judicial system. That's the point.
And so we have law makers, one of whom is you,
Alma Adams. You're a law so you can, as the
name indicates, make laws. And so when you engage in
the debate about what law to make, that's politics. And yes,
that's where all of the crime stuff gets hashed out
is among the lawmakers. And when they identify problems, when
people when the public comes forward and says, this system
you made isn't working. We demand justice, We demand speedy
trials for the murderers of our loved ones. Right, you
should pay attention to that. And if you're not going
to pay attention to that, then that is to your
own political peril. That's on you. Like I am perplexed
at this reaction among elected Democrats, like are you that
wedded to these terrible ideas? Are you? Are you so
afraid of your base getting angry? And what voting Republican
like this was an opportunity to kind of tack back
towards sanity and they just can't do it. They just
cannot bring themselves to do it. Then there was this
This is Kevin Kyleie Republican from California.
Speaker 5: This sense of lawlessness is seen in the ordinary conditions
of life for people as well. In Los Angeles, the
police chief has advised people do not wear your jewelry
when you go outside. People have to walk through homeless
encampments on their way to work with all manner of
drug use. Another unlawful activity. You walk into a CVS
or a basic store and your shampoo and conditioner is
under lock and key because theft is so rampant. We
see that in Washington, DC as well. You probably see
it here in Charlotte. So these and in fact, in
my own state of California, we just had an incident
two weeks ago where and apparently an act of politically
motivated violence, an individual fired three shots into a local
news organization and he was at large for some time,
and then we all breathe a sigh of relief when
he was apprehended. Thankfully, no one was hurt, the shots
didn't hit anyone, but then he was immediately released. A
man who just fired three shots into a news studio.
Fortunately there was a federal nexus. The FBI apprehended him
soon after that. But this is the core of the problem.
It's criminology one ZHO one that the best deterrent against
crime is the certainty of punishment. And the way that
many of these jurisdictions are set up is there's various
dimensions to the criminal justice system that undermine the certainty
of punishment. So if you're a criminal committing even a
very serious crime, you probably think there's not a very
good challenge you're going to get caught, because the police
departments are understaffed and they've been defunded. But then even
if you do get caught, there's a good chance you
won't be prosecuted because you have these rogue district attorneys
who don't prosecute crime. But then even if you do
get prosecuted, there's a pretty good chance he'll be let
out on pre tario release on bail, or even maybe
on on supervised release without bail, or that even if
you are convicted, then the punishments are so weak that
it really won't be much of a punishment at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's exactly right. This story out of California that
he mentioned, this was an ABC affiliate that was shot
up during the you know, the left fever dream of
free speech. Martyr Jimmy Kimmel and some guy drove down
to the local ABC ten station in Sacramento and fired
a bunch of rounds into the building And he was
then bailed out, Like what are you doing and shot
blindly into a building. He could have killed many people,
and you're just gonna let him walk back out onto
the street. You don't think that that might be a
security risk to the society. Of course it is. He's
obviously unstable he's deranged. He also worked for the teachers Union.
I'm sure it's not connected though. Oh actually, all right,
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