Speaker 1: What's going on? Clippers fans, Welcome to a happy hour
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to hang out when these things happen. We are talking.
I'm Chuck Mockley, joined by Adam Oslin and Joseph I
award the triumphant. No idea where will Is could be
another zip code? No idea?
Speaker 2: Damn wait, this is live.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fuck it, we'll do it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Remember this moment with a reporter. You know how I
know this is live? Penis See they didn't bleep.
Speaker 1: It all right. The Clippers have finally signed Bradley Beal.
It felt like a foregone conclusion for the most part.
They get him for two years for eleven million dollars,
a paltry five and a half million each year. Incredible value.
There's some fit things that we're going to talk about.
But where do we want to start? Joseph, if we
want to give the front office a little shout out
because they have had a fantastic offseason.
Speaker 4: They really have. I would say that shrewd decision making
is back and I do not. It's not lost on
me that it came back immediately when Paul George. It's
not lost on me that started happening when that guy
was out of the building.
Speaker 1: I like that idea. There's less maybe there's how can
we put this diplomatically?
Speaker 2: There's fewer just say what I did about what?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's just fewer people getting input.
Speaker 4: Yeah, agreed.
Speaker 2: Let's cooks in the kitchen.
Speaker 1: Let's cooks in the kitchen.
Speaker 2: Wow, they let one head chef that is cooking, Frank.
Speaker 1: There we go, uh for just full recap out this offseason, Norm, Drew,
You Banks, Patty Mills, Ben Simmons, obviously the Australian trio
will be missed, and then a mere coffee and Bradley Beal,
John Collins, Brook Lopez. No first round picks gone nothing.
It's gonna sucks to you know, have twenty points in
Norm go away. But this is now a better roster
than they started last season with Hale.
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, yeah, absolutely, but.
Speaker 1: Sorry Adam.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's okay, it's it's this is Jerry. It
is Jerry's ninth birthday today.
Speaker 1: Wow, happy birthday, Jerry. This is what an adorable dog?
Oh Adam. He is a vicious attack dog. Don't get
it with him.
Speaker 2: Enough to be a Clipper.
Speaker 3: Yeah, talent wise, on paper, they are obviously better. I
do think there's a lot of fit questions, a lot
of defined role questions, and also there's still more questions.
Speaker 2: When it comes to injury concerns, like.
Speaker 3: Bradley Beal has been slotted in for fifty games both
of the last two seasons. That is concerning. Of course,
the value is there for only paying five million for him.
Jason McIntyre immediately the guy who was saying, if the
Lakers get Bradley Beal, you can just start the parade,
and then he saw him go for just five million.
Speaker 2: Why didn't the Lakers get him?
Speaker 3: They don't have five million, dumb ass. They already spent
their mid level exception. That's how it works.
Speaker 2: Sorry, just did not. Yeah, you know what, I am
fired up.
Speaker 3: It's a big Day's dog is here.
Speaker 2: I want to show off.
Speaker 4: It's his birthday. They signed him for his birthday.
Speaker 1: Jerry is very happy with the gift. The one day
he gets the retiring Clipper. That's good. Oh, this is
the most animals we've had on the.
Speaker 2: Up on the screen now put my cat up and
we'll see if they fight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me get the let me get my sheep
on cam uh. Justin Risseau, our favorite French Canadian reporter,
put out a great article on his sub stack that
I'm actually gonna put in the chat right now that
everyone should read. It's long disclaimer. It is very good
in depth. No, it's phenomenal.
Speaker 3: The ringer sign him. This man killed it on this.
This is one of his best. This is one of
his masterpieces.
Speaker 1: And the John Collins one which came out just the
other week, is also great. We're gonna have him on
next week to talk about it too, which should be fun.
But I love this. This is just a fun fact,
I guess. For the Bradley Beal trade, Justin writes, you
seriously have to go back to when Beal started out
in the NBA for the last time a team of
his ranked in the top ten on defense, and at
no point in Beal's thirteen year career has he ever
been on a team that was both top ten in
defense and top ten in net rating. In fact, he's
been on a top ten net rating team just twice
in his career. One of them was his first year
in Phoenix. Just to illustrate that the move that Beal
is making by signing in Los Angeles as a free agent.
The Clippers were third in defensive rating last season and
fifth in net rating. They quite literally represent the best
team he'll have joined or been on going into a season.
The twenty twenty three Phoenix Suns were seventh and ninth respectively.
When he joined in twenty twenty three. Obviously it's not
a one for one, but the Clippers did lose their
twenty point score, replace them with Bial and we have
now John Collins. So I'm feeling cautiously pretty damn hyped.
West is a nightmare. We can't pretend that, and there
are some fit issues that we can talk about because
he is expected to start. That's what everyone's saying. But
I feel cautiously pretty damn hyped.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I don't think there's any reason not
to at least be excited to watch the Clippers next season.
At this very moment, I'm going to vigorously knock on
Wood because I mean, it's the Clippers.
Speaker 1: Who knows what's going to happen?
Speaker 4: For saying this, but to take a fifty win team
that was for sure a surprise fifty win team and
get better only losing really a second round pick in
terms of like future assets, it's just really good business.
I mean the Brook Lopez signing. I can't talk enough
about how awesome that is as a Clipper fan who
over the last you know, three years, since Isaiah has
been gone, has wanted them to have you know, literally
anybody who could back up Sue, but then also bringing
in a guy like bial.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I talked to brook Lopez today on the phone and
told him how everybody is. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was trying to sell him on season tickets.
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, he was on a five seventy earlier and
I told him how excited everybody is for him, and
he is legitimately super pumped to be a Clipper, Like
he's really excited himself as excited as everybody else is.
They got a real backup center, They got a guy
who can scale up and start like he is so
ready for this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's it fits.
Speaker 4: Yes, Yes, North Hollywood stand.
Speaker 1: Up for Noah in the NBA. I like this question
because I think this question kind of goes into what
we're going to talk about from Goofyau one seventeen. They
think the team is exciting, but the identity being different
makes them anxious. I think that's just because the defense
was so good last year. Yeah, the offense was fine.
We're talking regular season. The offense was fine to quite
literally league average, and now there is a chance to
be top ten in both. I don't think that's crazy
slip slippage on defense, so obviously we can assume right
now boost on offense, yeah.
Speaker 4: Which I do subscribe to the Will Updike theory of
the way to win a basketball game is to score
more points than your opponent. So I will say that,
like iming a better offense is welcome for me. But
I do think that we are probably going to see
the starting lineup have both Beal and Collins in it,
baring something unforeseen, and there is going to be an
adjustment period to how the team plays, and like there's
going to be an adjustment for fans to watching how
the team plays because it is going to be way
more offense focused, especially with that starting five. But I
do think that the team still has enough quality defenders
in general, yeah, to kind of get around that and
sort of supplement those stars or those like offensive engines
that we're going to have with guys who can defend.
So like, yeah, maybe you do start with those two
guys in the lineup, but they probably quickly get cycled
out for guys like Kristin and Derreck Jones Junior, And
now you don't have a pretty steep decline when Jo
sits in terms of like interior defense.
Speaker 3: I did bring this up on one of our last
shows that I have real concerns about them both starting
because there goes the idea of Kawhi Leonard having to
do less on the defense immediately, and the point of
getting John Collins was to take less off his plate.
But if you're also starting Bradley Beal, you have two
good defenders out there beats the Zubos and Kawhi Leonard. Now,
Bradley Beal has been their best point of attack defender
at times in Phoenix. Notably if you look at that
series against Minnesota a couple of years ago in the
first round, like he was the one that was picking
up Anthony Edwards a lot. I don't know if that's
like he's a better defender than Norm, but there isn't
a significant gap between those two, and he may give
a better effort, especially at first. A new guy comes
in wants to show that he's bought into what the
Clippers are doing. We already heard Lawrence Spranks speak on
John Collins about his defensive issues and say, like, we
think he can rise and meet the level that we're
at here. The same thing's gonna happen, gonna have to
happen with Bradley Beal, and I just it's three guys
that can be hunted in the starting lineup, and I
just don't love the idea of losing a crystallized identity
that they had last season for really the first time
in the two and three era, where it felt like
they weren't just ring on overwhelming talent and they're really
good in different areas. They had a way they knew
they were going to play each and every night, and
a way they had to play to have success out there.
And look, if their offense is top ten, and it
should be, that's great, But I don't want to see
them fall out of the top ten defensively. I think
it would, yeah, because we also thought, I'm not saying
that's some guarantee like that's going to happen. I just
they were top five this past year, so it's a
really high bar, and I think how you set the tone.
Remember last year they actually started off first quarters better
for the first time in a while.
Speaker 2: I don't think that was a coincidence.
Speaker 3: Is because they had better point of attack defenders and
they have guys who were tone setters like Chris Dunn.
Speaker 1: I like this this question from a Bullock on here,
which a lot of people have asked one way or another,
where it's like, is the change of senior you're going
to get them to play better defense or at least
to buy in more. I don't think at this point
Bradley Beal is hitting some gear of defensive capability where
it's like, oh, he's just trying more now and he's
a lot better at it. I think the buy in
could be real. I think getting them to be a
little more dedicated to trying to make things happen on
that and could have a positive just mentally, I don't
know what I mean, like Van Gundy being here makes
me feel better about it. Yeah, I think I.
Speaker 4: Can't remember who was talking about this, but they were
saying that sort of the big reason that the team
played better defensively with Jeff Gundy at the Helm is
he simplifies things and so it's not an overly complicated
scheme or like the directions are very clear, kind of
like the bumbling Nick Sirianni press conference.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys remember when he got hired.
Speaker 4: He was like, you got to simplify the system so
that people know what to do, and like, if you
know what to do, then you can go and do it.
And I also think having John Collins play next to
Kawhi and that starting lineup. For sure, John Collins isn't
like a great perimeter defender, but his back line defense
has improved and he's been able to kind of like
help them his.
Speaker 5: Guys to right right, but also too if like a
guard gets beat.
Speaker 1: On the perimeter, John Collins is.
Speaker 4: Someone who can clean that up on the back line.
Speaker 1: And so I also like something right maybe yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Like the idea of also being just generally bigger, like
starting bigger, having a guy who's actually like six' nine
next To kawhi who's a really long six, seven And
brad is the smallest guy on the floor at six.
Speaker 4: four so you know you have, some length you have
you know some ability to kind of.
Speaker 1: Shrink the floor.
Speaker 4: That way, AND again i don't really expect that lineup
to necessarily play maybe the most minutes together after, you
know like the.
Speaker 1: First quarter it is all. On time now now we,
get now, we get we get tinkering tie with a,
good roster A. Healthy kawhi speaking of knocking, On wood
i'm feeling pretty good that they will get it. Figured
out we will be up. At.
Speaker 3: Times yes, my issue aside from the defense to start
games is also just they're going to have to have
some injury luck to build continuity based upon how many
games of these guys have been playing the last. Few
years like they're going to have to get some level
of injury Luck. With kawhi last Season When james harden
could be considered lucky he.
Speaker 2: Played and how well. He, played Yeah with beale, IN there, i, mean.
Speaker 3: Now at least they have a backup center if It
beats zubas gets banged up at some point and things
aren't going to completely. Fall APART but i just hope
they get enough minutes to build up that familiarity with
the main group that you're counting on to be the
squad that can raise. The ceiling for this team and
really scare people in the playoffs like they.
Speaker 1: Need, time yeah it's a there's two new guys on the,
starting five like, it's yeah that's gonna be a. Big
adjustment beal's offense to talk about something better than, his
defense the efficiency from three is fantastic. To have brusseau
wrote a bunch about How the clippers very much need
to run dribble Handoffs the bill because when he gets
downhill and then kind of has the defense come, at
him he used he tends to make good decisions in.
Those scenarios so.
Speaker 3: Hit the most points per possession off of handoffs in
the league.
Speaker 2: Last year that was.
Speaker 1: Pretty, impressive yeah, it's crazy and then he has it's
not as, you Know like Durant, and. Booker don't they
obviously played an incredibly different kind of Basketball than Harden,
And KAWHI and i think this fit. For balll you
talked about making it simple on defense and SIMPLE in,
Nba terms we should hope for the same thing on offense.
TO start i think we'll see Some pretty we're gonna see,
the like oh new. Wrinkle stuff with the Scenario that
adam brought up with good health probably in game like.
Twenty five. M h the first twenty four will be
kind of like what do we where's the bread and
butter working?
Speaker 4: The?
Speaker 3: Best right and there's going to be a back to
Back where kawhi is not playing a few games to.
Speaker 2: Start, Off anyways so.
Speaker 1: Did you play back to backs?
Speaker 2: Last year that is a good question, in itself really.
Speaker 4: Good question he probably won't. THIS year i, YOU know
i do feel like they're going to stagger, those guys
which IS why i know some people are in here,
talking About Like chris paul too not to take over,
the PODCAST but. I do i do kind of feel
Like the clippers might get one more body to throw
in that is like a rotation, level guy just to have.
Speaker 1: Some insurance it's.
Speaker 4: Going to be clunky playing trying to play, eleven GUYS
but i do think that they are going to try
to have at least one more guy who can ABSORB actual.
Speaker 2: Nba minutes you played playmaker?
Speaker 1: Last year, oh okay so he played on eight games
on zero day's rest is the STAFF that, i saw so.
Speaker 3: Got It john collins is the other one that missed
a lot of games, last year but this was still be.
Speaker 1: Well, rested yeah there's so many games that they got
five correct this Point From. Jonathan johnson the starting five
now the shooting is all on the whole a.
Speaker 2: Lot.
Speaker 1: Better yep simply By Removing chris dunn and relacing That
With bradley beal And the glippers have a chance to
be what were they in three point percentage? Last year not.
Speaker 2: It might have been their worst season under kylu or.
Speaker 1: Maybe seventh they were thirty, a team so.
Speaker 3: It definitely went up near the end of it because
they had a bunch of guys. On heaters bogie was
shooting like fifty percent from for a couple of weeks
after the.
Speaker 2: SOUL start.
Speaker 3: I do kind, of wonder, you know we never got
the real sample Size Of norm powell Next To james
Harden and kawhi To Be paul george that we saw
in his final season next to, those two which worked.
REALLY well i guess he didn't like The Role paul
george playing off, ball more but the efficiency was there.
Speaker 1: He did before he had to.
Speaker 4: Do it what role does?
Speaker 3: HE like, I know, i, know uh tough guy to,
please now especially if he has to Go. To charlotte, uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah that was. SO funny i love that, clip TOO
because I obviously i don't listen to, his PODCAST but i,
was like was he just Talking? About charlotte did he
even get asked? About it or was he, just, LIKE
yeah i wouldn't Play, IN charlotte.
Speaker 3: I guess Talking about LaMelo and stuff and giving their
assessment on.
Speaker 2: The team but, oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah Our rip LaMelo To. The clippers sorry for everyone
who wanted that.
Speaker 2: TO happen, i, now yeah.
Speaker 1: Out let me timestam up that Very good Cools of,
july sixteenth d. TWENTY two i don't think. It's, happening.
Speaker 3: Ideally what you would like to See Is bradley beal
not to the level of Usage That paul george was
the twenty three twenty, four season being kind of the
third scoring option at times and playing off ball, like
that but some of That Because beats zoobots is much.
Better now and that's another concern. OF mine i do
not want to beat to The zooba us his development
to be stunted, at all or for him to get
less shots, this season and that's going to.
Speaker 1: Be, difficult yeah and With the, lopez edition Because if
lopez can soak up, more minutes that means that you
will probably not play as much in the, regular season
at least, to start because he does have the. Conditioning
thing and what side of this is that he'll be
better conditioned going into.
Speaker 2: The playoffs i'm fine with a couple.
Speaker 3: LESS minutes i JUST want i want a Shot at
sam's pearl one hundred possessions to be. The same THAT'S what,
i want, for sure or better?
Speaker 1: Or higher do we think this question from Our freider rodriguez?
Is fair don't be afraid to get ejected from? A
game do we want more of that mentality From the clippers?
THIS season i personally.
Speaker 4: Do not i'd love some, eye gouges maybe a punch,
or two.
Speaker 1: Ripped jersey yeah you?
Speaker 4: Get, this, yeah, yeah yeah what are you?
Speaker 3: Gonna?
Speaker 1: Do, Yeah Sorry now I'm thinking aboutlamelo ball To the.
Clippers again so.
Speaker 3: Their offense we talk About the clippers offense and what
they ended up fifteenth in the regular season by, The,
end yeah fifteenth, Or sixteenth so they were if you
look at the very end of the season OR just
i just took the split of the Month. Of, march Yeah.
Because kawhi that's how much better they Were. With Kawhi
once kawhi, got back they turned into a top. Ten
offense this is part of The reason i'm not as
worried about the offense as some, people, Were, like oh
we got to make sure the offense. Is better we
never really got a longer sample size of how good
they were looking already with Just having kawhi back Next
to james Next, TO norm i think there are top
ten offense if you Just have Kawhi and. James out
there were three other Guys like i'm not that worried about,
their OFFENSE and i do have some concern about the starting.
Speaker 2: Lineup DEFENSE as i mentioned with, THIS group.
Speaker 4: I want to respectfully. DISAGREE here i want to win. A,
playoff sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Quick audio break for, the podcast and then you can
go back. To It listen justin's taking three after this
and three.
Speaker 3: Two, One Hey, charles sabb beautiful opportunity for, a tease,
was like this is it.
Speaker 4: Of the twenty two minute and break, hold on we're
on twenty, to twelveboy to stop.
Speaker 1: An hour everybody will split into, thirds, segments dude people.
Speaker 4: LIKE routine i know a twenty two minute segment an
industry staple that's.
Speaker 2: Twenty two.
Speaker 3: Don't forget adjust, your volume because sometimes the commercials are.
Speaker 4: Very loud they don't get a little loud upset.
Speaker 1: About that.
Speaker 2: IT'S fair.
Speaker 4: I just, for me it's it's more of like the
offense clearly lacked dynamism once it got into, the playoffs
and we just didn't have enough guys who could. Do
anything and we can have an elite defense all, you
want but when it came down, to it we Lost
that denver series because we couldn't score Against the denver
defense that wasn't, that Good.
Speaker 3: And russell Westbrook And aaron Gordon And christian brown having one.
Speaker 4: Thousand percent there's ways to like get, around it and
at the Same time normal being.
Speaker 3: Really bad, you, know, yeah unfortunately but like like that's
the offense There if norm is better in that series
like he.
Speaker 4: Normally Is but norm, can't create and so we needed
a Guy like bio who, can create who can actually
make it To Where james harden doesn't have to play
forty six out of forty eight minutes in a game
six because we have nobody else who can dribble the.
Fucking basketball AND so i just think that like having
a Guy like deal, is great and then even having
a Guy, like collins who gives just just. MORE options, i,
mean obviously the, you know offensive Rebounds That, Christian Brown Michael,
porter Junior And aaron gordon got throughout that series are
going to play through all of our heads and so.
Speaker 1: What you're talking about.
Speaker 4: He gaves almost. Elective levato, BUT yeah i just Think
the clippers did need to do something to juice the
offensive side of the ball and give them an opportunity
to play more Five out that wasn't, you know.
Speaker 1: A bunch of guys who were six.
Speaker 2: To three i'm not against that.
Speaker 3: AT all I just i don't want to sacrifice the defense.
Too much the idea of they're going to be so
good on Offense With john collins And With bradley beal,
out there it.
Speaker 2: WILL compensate i hope they fully buy.
Speaker 3: In because they are more capable than they have shown,
at times And this clippers team has a standard now on.
Speaker 2: THAT end i just want to see that standard. UP
upheld I.
Speaker 1: Think i think the standard will. Be UPHELD and i
think IT'S also, i Mean it's beel's best shot to win,
a ring and.
Speaker 2: It's a contract year for him really.
Speaker 1: Exactly And, for collins right like they could it's the.
Speaker 3: Beauty of all the guys being off the books in
the next year or two are all under pressure.
Speaker 1: To perform lopez has a bunch. To, Prove no i'm.
Just Kidding for Collins, and bale it's like if they
contribute to a team that, either overperforms we're a top
four seed or something, like that or it's, you know
they're meaning it can mean.
Speaker 4: More money, paid it he.
Speaker 1: Paid it it's going to be they gotta. BUY it
i mean they have to. Buy IT but i do
think with this, COACHING staff I think kawhi being there
from the start really helps the, buy in right because
how many times would we talk about how hard it
would be to Be, like okay yet again we are
DOWN one a or and maybe both one be at the.
Same time like now we get the full like, everyone's here,
full staffed. Like it i'm believing in the. Buy it
i'm going back to The Positive chuck. Mackler DAY somehow
i Love that i'm, locked On But I'm i'm i'm
believing in the.
Speaker 4: Buy it do we think this?
Speaker 2: Is enough, i'm sorry go ahead, on, no, NO no i
like where you were.
Speaker 1: Going there do we think this?
Speaker 4: Is enough To MAKE kawhi i want to play forty
minutes tonight in?
Speaker 1: The, playoffs yes.
Speaker 2: How do we think that we? DID enough i disagree
WITH what i.
Speaker 3: Do we do?
Speaker 4: We think do we think that this is enough To
get kawhi to buy into the fact That the clippers
are trying to build.
Speaker 1: AROUND him i think it's situation in a.
Speaker 4: Long, TIME yeah i have Heard that kawhi is not
maybe the happiest That the clippers are talking about all
of the cap space they're going to have in twenty, twenty,
seven well which means that they're not focused on making
the team like wait now? Contract, Here yeah so it
really does kind Of like i'm very CURIOUS because, i
mean we've we've Gone over i've gone over.
Speaker 1: With that, i'm like we've talked, ABOUT it i guess
in front.
Speaker 4: Of it but like the Idea that kawhi played less
in the playoffs than he did to end the regular
season is pretty, Fucking maddening AND so i wonder.
Speaker 3: To, some DEGREE like i was frustrated and game, we
talked like.
Speaker 2: We talked about why are They chasing?
Speaker 3: Game one they played more minutes in the overtime Game
Against golden state it's an overtime, game again why are they?
Speaker 2: Playing?
Speaker 4: Less right we talked, ABOUT that i think in your,
Pod too, BUT like i wonder if this is enough
to really get a fully engaged and bought in and
like Locked.
Speaker 1: In kawhi he's the kind of guy to win a
championship to, spite, you THOUGH which i am, fine WITH.
Speaker 4: Please i need.
Speaker 3: YOU to i also think there were some interesting circumstances
with them Being in denver and. Guys looking guys did
look abnormally Gassed, because okay you, can say Well, the
Clippers the clippers.
Speaker 4: Are old do they advertise?
Speaker 1: That anywhere AND then i couldn't tell you how many
feet for the life.
Speaker 4: Of ME.
Speaker 3: When i SAW the okc thunder look Gassed in denver
in the, SECOND round i, was, like, oh well, no
Ship the clippers. Were gassed if, the youngest most spry
athletic team could look that tired in the mile, HIGH
air i do think that had some effect on.
Speaker 2: The minutes i'm.
Speaker 1: Not saying it's at the end all.
Speaker 2: Be, ALL yeah.
Speaker 3: I was i've still felt like they should have been
there should have been a higher level of urgency. AT
times i don't know If that's. Kawai's, decision anyways.
Speaker 1: That's fair we got the sports grew with the. Super
chat thank you by, the way uh they. Are Saying
but tom at the Four with Kawhi and zoo, can
augment and Bel and harden in the starting lineup can
plug and play. Around that tyler gets to prove as
chops as a top. Five coach. No excuses like the no,
EXCUSES part i don't think they made a bunch. Of
THEM but i do like that everyone's healthy because that's what.
That means no excuses means that everyone's healthy going into
The regular in, MY head i.
Speaker 3: Don't think there is a good excuse for that Loss.
Speaker 2: To denver.
Speaker 1: I'msed, still, Yeah again i'm not familiar with what you guys.
Are referencing i'll have to look that.
Speaker 2: Up later you got hit With, The yeah i'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Have to do my own research to see how the
season actually ended. Last Year because i'm not Liking what,
I'm hearing.
Speaker 2: I'd stop after the first quarter. OF games.
Speaker 1: I. Love Yeah this the offense is a lot more.
Dynamic now there's just a lot of other things that.
Can happen and because We Have van gundy so locked
in on. The defense they have had a year. Working
together Now With van Gundy, and tylu now we get
to see how the working relationship works in, this SCENARIO
and i think ty will have just more time to focus.
On offense not to say that you're a defensive a
good defensive coach, or anything but that year of working
Relationship With, VAN gundy i think is we're going to
see the benefits of how well it seemed to Go Last.
Speaker 3: Sea brook lopez offers a ton when we talk About
the clippers defensive rating and staying at a top. Five
level having a backup big that slides, right in who's
two years removed from being SECOND. In dpoy that gives
you a ton of stability because what's the number there
are fifteen point it's worse per one hundred possessions when.
It beats zubos was off the floor. This season it
was to get, something, drastic.
Speaker 1: Bigger if not biggest swings in.
Speaker 2: That rating it's, like Close not.
Speaker 3: JOKIC esque i think he was like, twenty points twenty.
Two points soon when he's off, the floor they're they're
not even like a Play In team.
Speaker 2: Denver without him like that.
Speaker 1: Would, have.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately he plays like forty and it's a night so
it doesn't, really.
Speaker 1: Matter but we Lost. Dere.
Speaker 3: Jordan sorry their second unit defense should be. Really good
especially there's another side. To this i'm arguing with, myself
now But if, chris, done.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's a moral combat.
Speaker 3: Mirror mash your soul. Is, mine uh there is an
upside to Having Maybe chris DUNN and dj are playing
together more with the. Second unit, so therefore if You
have bogie, out there if you have, lesser defenders and
then those two guys are also playing With brook lopez
and those three are on the floor next, to anybody
you're probably gonna be pretty strong defensively with that. Second
unit not that it's always a five man line shift,
or anything but there will be that.
Speaker 2: At times.
Speaker 1: BUT and, i, mean yeah like the peppering in, of,
guys like we're gonna see a lot of Fun line
there's gonna be so many lineups that have very small
sample size that people are gonna, be like we were
plus eighteen in. These minutes, You're, like okay it was
against the worst team in the league and they were
playing a zone or something. Like that but that's, a
fun good thing to have offensive.
Speaker 3: Do you guys want to know the on off Splits
for Bell on phoenix?
Speaker 1: This year they were they didn't, sound good.
Speaker 2: Tough shit.
Speaker 1: Adam's never cursed more on a, single episode the Worst,
THAN adam i. Really am we are gonna. GET fined
i don't know if we're gonna be able to do
an episode.
Speaker 2: NEXT week i think it's the best.
Speaker 1: Cost high so so we can't afford. The, BLEEPS dude i.
Speaker 3: Do Apologize bradley beal on, The court phoenix had an
offensive rating of one ten point six off the court
one fifteen, point seven significantly higher. Without him defensive rating
on the court one eighteen point Six With bradley beal
off the court one fifteen, point three three points a
better per one hundred posessions with. Them off all, in
all we're talking about eight point five net rating swing
with him all.
Speaker 2: And off It look phoenix was.
Speaker 3: A MESS and i still think a guy that's that
efficient and you pair him with some, solid defenders you
can bring the best out. Of him i'm not overly
concerned about these numbers and what happened in the last
two years because there's so, Many.
Speaker 1: Variables like when you're that is. A, nightmare yeah for your.
Speaker 3: Starting, center well justin, showed that like When they're big
Three with Beal And booker kdi Played With mason plumbley
and actually had just an actual center. Out there they
were competent that they had a nice.
Speaker 1: Decent at a very, BAD center a flashy and. Bad,
center yes one of my, favorite archetypes to, Be honest but.
Speaker 4: Being Being magic johnson On the clippers was one of
the strangest developments IN.
Speaker 1: The, nba yeah there's a Lot of, i'm sorry go ahead,
AT him i made. The, noise sorry, Go. Ahead.
Speaker 4: Joseph sorry i'm more Excited for beble to lead, bench
lineups like to actually have someone who can really dribble
the ball and like lead the offense for a bench
that looked pretty rudderless offensively, at times Especially when james
wasn't on the floor kind of. CARRYING them i really
just kind of keep circling back, To that Like the Clippers
When james harden was not on, the floor did not
know what to do with the basketball unless they were.
In transition like once they got in the, half court
there was. Just nothing there was a whole lot of.
Nothing calling and to have someone Like bel to kind
Of put bogie back complimentary role off, the bench like
not necessarily being, You know pigeonholed does the backup.
Speaker 1: That point we talk about How much bogie can actually
really do with the ball in. His, hands yeah the
thing that he's.
Speaker 4: Really, good yeah attack.
Speaker 1: Better if he doesn't have to do it.
Speaker 4: Second, secondary action that's all he needs to.
Speaker 2: Do anyway.
Speaker 3: Is there still gonna, be though as you alluded, To
earlier joseph another playmaker That the clippers could be picking?
Up here does there still even more help Coming For
james harden in THAT department.
Speaker 1: I see on.
Speaker 4: The way i'm only concerned ABOUT the cp three edition
because It means.
Speaker 1: Ty is gonna somehow play, five GUARD and i.
Speaker 4: JUST don't i don't like.
Speaker 1: That idea why what do?
Speaker 4: You mean i've seen it not. WORK before i don't
Want Anymore blue canard at. THE five i don't want.
Speaker 1: Any. More please speaking of like the the five, man
lineup we know that it was Bad Because ben simmons
is the longer on the. Team anymore if the five
out lineup was, Actually Viable ben simmons would still be on.
This team so we do get actually like two lineups
of the type of basketball That the clippers want, to
play which is right with a center on. The court
they don't want to have to do small ball. A
lot they're gonna do, it sometimes but like we, Actually,
have yeah we have a viable. Backup center you can
set good screens For when beale needs. To cut he's
not very good in the pick, and roll but it
is a. BETTER situation i also like the sports guru
Calling out adam, directly here asking him not To judge
bill based on.
Speaker 3: LAST season i, literally said there's a lot. Of variables
i'm not putting it all. On him i'm just saying
it's worth at least bringing those. NUMBERS up, I mean
justin brought up some. Great numbers i'm just trying to
follow in the goat's, footsteps here, All, Right yeah.
Speaker 1: Justin brought up a lot of, bad numbers which actually
thought was good and is the reason why people should read,
the article because he says at the end, of It
is bill a? Perfect, fit no they also don't need him.
To be they just see him to do what he's
done for. Thirteen years score it an, efficient rate and
give them enough of the things they don't. Presently have
it's five and a half. Million dollars i'm from A
value the value head's got to be losing. Their MIND but,
i like like it's not a. Perfect fit there's going
to be. Growing pains i've liked the REACTION that I
think clippers fans just conditioned to be, like sick like
we can make some noise, like, yeah yeah things, go well,
like yeah.
Speaker 4: Maybe we can get past the. SECOND round i. Don't,
know oh let's get out of the first, first, yeah.
Speaker 3: YEAH yeah i do think this team is pretty well
positioned now to have the expectations of being a top
four team In The.
Speaker 2: WESTERN conference i think. That's fair it would be so
sick your fifth, last year you improved.
Speaker 3: This much we're hoping for fifty plus Games from kawhi
this year and only had thirty seven, last year and
they had won, Fifty games like it's it's all on,
the table.
Speaker 1: Hot take i'm hoping for thirty eight Games. From kawhi
just give me, one More and i'm anything past whatever
he was at. Last year, who boy we are cooking.
With gas we would have.
Speaker 4: Been the three seed if we had gotten just one
more Game. From kawhi Leonard.
Speaker 1: Well So, and, also ideally if we get, those things
they don't have to do what they did at the
end of last year of the. Right season they don't
have to like go as they don't have to be
in the playoffs the last two weeks the.
Speaker 4: Regular, season yeah if you look at it, that way
they maybe won two and a. Half rounds you KNOW
what i mean.
Speaker 1: As a team ever made it to the? Fifth, round like.
That's impossible you can't ask.
Speaker 2: That's fair the playoffs for them started In.
Speaker 3: Early march so how many rounds did they actually win
before Losing?
Speaker 1: To denver it's the most people.
Speaker 4: Are saying many people are Saying the clippers actually won
three rounds in.
Speaker 1: The playoffs they won the most rounds without winning. A,
CHAMPIONSHIP yeah i THINK it's i think the other day
it's not. Even possible the team went. To anyway that's.
So Funny i'm i'm. Feeling good i'm basking in the.
Front offices deals the three thing would stress.
Speaker 2: Me out do you guys?
Speaker 1: Want them you KNOW what i would like? To do,
real quick take a quick, audio break come right back
to the.
Speaker 2: Hes.
Speaker 1: Minute, segment hey what are you? Gonna? DO man i
don't make the rules despite making the outline and dictating
where the. Ads go, coming up we're talking do WE
want cp three right? After this and. We're, Back, uh
joseph do You Want chris paul on?
Speaker 4: This?
Speaker 1: Team?
Speaker 2: Now no?
Speaker 1: Of course not? All right what?
Speaker 4: ABOUT now i mean basketball, is, sure whatever, but like
having eleven guys. IS tough i don't like having eleven
guys who want. To play we?
Speaker 1: Have, Twelve, yeah like.
Speaker 2: How often are they all going to?
Speaker 1: Be?
Speaker 2: HEALTHY no i.
Speaker 4: Mean that that's what, They'll say but there are going
to be times where one of the guys isn't going
to be playing because everyone is, healthy well.
Speaker 1: And they got to figure. Things out right in terms of,
the right would you come off? THE bench i don't
think he. Wants, to dude if THEY start cp three
Hardened with kawhi at, THE floor. I would we'll definitely
be doing a live when they talk, about THAT because
i will not be in. AS good i will have
Flipped where i'm at. Right now if we want to
talk about losing the defensive identity of, this team that
is that is the. Risky run at, that point they,
told it please pack your ship and get out. Of, Here,
yeah adam do YOU want, Cp three how would you
feel if he was on.
Speaker 3: THE team i think it's all about if they get
last year's VERSION of. CP three i don't mean he
has to play eight two games that, was crazy but
that level of ability and, Him saying i'm good with
coming off the bench and Backing Up, James harden.
Speaker 2: I'm good that's THAT'S all i need. To hear tell
me in, FOR THAT i.
Speaker 3: I don't he's one of the most competitive, people EVER
so i don't know if that's realistic, or not or
if he's going to want to start at, some point
because it got kind of Different In. Golden state, you
know it was just like him being asked. About it
it almost was like a distraction. At times we don't
we definitely don't.
Speaker 1: Want that it feels like this is comments coming out.
Of nowhere, just sorry. Hard pivot i'm drinking, McRoy, no. NO
no i think IF if c people that's exactly what,
WOULD happen i would drink. For sure you actually. Got
it rhyro. Loves sports you love great. PREDICTIONS too.
Speaker 3: I do like this sentimental aspect of, it though in
him coming BACK TO la i just want to.
Speaker 2: KNOW that i just want to find.
Speaker 1: Roles, everywhere yeah so the defined, roles thing That's where.
I'm at there's it's just guys got we would have
so many new guys who need.
Speaker 2: The.
Speaker 1: Ball yeah does It Piss john collins? Off too, he's,
like OH so I guess i'm not STARTING because i
would assume they. May be we all are kind of
penciling him as starting. Right NOW so i Mentioned No,
john collins but if he'd be Three Comes John collins
like it just be'll come off. OF it i.
Speaker 2: Don't know remember the part about how everyone a.
Speaker 1: Bottle of whiskey? Right, now sorry.
Speaker 3: How everyone's extra motivated because they're all in. Contract years
that can go the other way where everybody is expecting
more touches and needs to get the basketball and guys
are on different agendas because.
Speaker 2: They're looking to put up numbers to get paid this.
Next offseason. That's worrisome EXCEPT for.
Speaker 1: Cp three he's quite literally mentioned he's retiring at the end.
Speaker 2: Of it that's fair unless you wants to go all.
Speaker 1: The bang UH now i WOULD feel i. Would, BE
yeah i. Don't know the locker room has. BEEN good
i don't think it would make the locker room like a.
Toxic environment it would MAKE it i Think strained adam
to your point with what are? We doing.
Speaker 2: M h what's the worst the locker room has been
in the two and three era or the last? SIX
years i, should Say.
Speaker 1: When tres was talking To til marr that, one, time
right does? That count remember when After the tres aired
all the it was pissed on how we.
Speaker 6: Were playing remember when Laying At paul george in the
middle of? The bubble, oh, yeah?
Speaker 1: Right yeah does the? Bubble count because it Seems like
Williams got.
Speaker 4: Williams would RATHER get covid than hang out with the
team at a. Certain, point YEAH does?
Speaker 3: Covid count so that was the very beginning of the
two and? Three era, but like what about? Since then
it's IT'S what pj And the bones being?
Speaker 2: Sent?
Speaker 4: HOME bones I think bones like hiding in. His.
Speaker 1: LOCKER yeah i think the worst it was was when
they Didn't get westbrook in the free agency window or
before the trade deadline whatever that was when there was
clear Friction with.
Speaker 4: Oh Yeah When paul george, WAS like i can't. Dribble,
anymore yeah.
Speaker 2: But that's not player.
Speaker 3: To player that's trying to put pressure on the. FRONT
office i mean like. Players quarreling.
Speaker 4: You, know well the end Of The russell westbrook era
was also pretty.
Speaker 7: Fucking tense locker room eight for forty two, or yeah
when they asked him to come off the bench and
he was pissed the rest of the season and then
he stunk up.
Speaker 1: The, joint.
Speaker 2: YEAH well i saw. HE offered i.
Speaker 1: Don't, Know, yeah adam what do you think?
Speaker 3: IT was, i mean probably TECHNICALLY it's pj being sent home,
with BONES but i don't think that caused any. Real
schism and with the rest of, THE guys i think
they've been Good about like guys may have been upset
with coaches or may have been set up the, front
office but it's been pretty rare that we guys have
been upset with one another.
Speaker 2: Over rules yeah.
Speaker 1: That's, What Yeah marcus morris when he got told you
had to they were maybe gonna. Bench him.
Speaker 2: There's one he just.
Speaker 4: Stayed home there was no rig in the. Locker Room like.
Speaker 1: I'm being mature and removing myself in. This, Situation YEAH
and i guess it would just, be yeah like trying
to figure that. Continuity out it seems like it would
put with guys who. WERE vets i, don't know it's
a lot of it's. Just more it's also more, large personality,
not personalities guys who are really established in the League
that tyler has to. Deal with, yet again not that
he's bad, At it he's just had to do it,
a lot which is difficult for a coach to do.
Speaker 3: That much MAYBE because i don't know if There's like
kawhi leads his, own Way The tim, Duncan Way james
harden's leadership was pretty strong for the most part, last
season but there isn't a player leader that is noticeably
noticeably identifiable as, the Leader and tye has probably has
to do a little.
Speaker 1: Bit more they just.
Speaker 3: Drafted them he is he making the two more spots
call in FROM.
Speaker 2: The g league Team In san Diego.
Speaker 4: Message tie does have to be stronger as a coach
Of this. CLIPPERS team i do think that something that
he has struggled with Since leaving lebron is his propensity
to defer to his stars and. HIS players i think
it's on, one hand it's something that builds his players
up and like we'll get people like nik katoomb to
have a resurgence and build guys back up, confidence WISE
and i think we see it on the court IN
that i think he defers to what guys want instead
of like crafting something that they can buy into that's like.
Speaker 1: His VISION.
Speaker 4: And i think that the differences between the defense and offense,
THIS year i think are pretty star like the differences
Between how Jeff van jefvangund coaches And How tai, lu
coaches AND so i do think it WOULD be i
don't Think that tie is on the. HOT seat i
think someone in, there was like this time in the,
hot seat Primarily Because steve Balmer And lawrence frank want
to Make the clippers a quote unquote, stable organization and
so they want to project stability and unity and all sort,
of stuff even though we all know that there's been
a lot of friction and passive aggressiveness between the. Two
SIDES but I think tie's growth as a coach, is,
like yes he's a. Championship coach yes he did prove
that he has this ability to make adjustments in, the
playoffs But, WITHOUT lebron i do feel like there's been
a little bit of and expectations for his stars To.
Be lebron when.
Speaker 1: What does that Mean for Lebron and luca And. THE lakers.
Speaker 4: I don't know what it means, for THEM but i
just know that it MEANS that I think thye needs
to learn that not every Star, is lebron and there
is there's a pretty big, gap there and you can't
just hand the keys to them and expect them to take.
Speaker 1: You wherever you need. TO go.
Speaker 3: I feel like he's probably aware, of THAT but.
Speaker 2: I just doesn't come.
Speaker 3: Like it my, point was there haven't been that many guys,
in infighting and that's kind of surprising considering there isn't
one alpha maybe that stands out that much. M hm and,
if anyone if, it's anyone is tie and he's got
to do more in the locker room than in, previous,
Stops probably but it's worked for the. Most PART so
i when it Comes to beale and the stuff coming
Out of phoenix and him being unhappy with his role and,
you know coming off the bench for fifteen games, Last
season i'm not super concerned.
Speaker 2: About it.
Speaker 1: I'm, not yeah it was just it WAS so, I
mean suns fans will tell you that it was not
like it was an environment that everyone seemed really excited to,
Play in like it's not like things were going great and.
Speaker 2: Different head coaches the last. Three years. THAT'S crazy, i
know just Two, with bill but still that's that's.
Speaker 1: Pretty Nuts mason plums. Starting center.
Speaker 2: It's crazy?
Speaker 1: Not good? All, Right, uh justin did you bring? A
dip i know it's. A live we don't do dips on,
the live but do you have? A Dip Does green? Salt,
account yeah you have something a dip?
Speaker 4: In? It, oh LIKE do i have an actual dip?
Speaker 1: With? Me now, that's fine we don't.
Speaker 4: Do THEM all I spent. I spent i spent two
hundred thousand dollars on the theater education for me to
be able to do this.
Speaker 1: Right here, all right we're winding this happy. Hour down
we're doing another classic eighteen. Minute, Segment, uh joseph your
final Thoughts On bradley beale Being.
Speaker 4: A clipper, i'm, Excited dude I'm really i'm. REALLY EXCITED
i i wrote an Article For clipper hollocks Before The
paul george trade SAYING that i.
Speaker 1: Was like recently. YOU scabbed.
Speaker 4: I went, back man good help, myself exposure just saying
That the clippers needed the Trade For. Bradley beale If
like kawhi was looking for a, co start that he
was THE guy i.
Speaker 1: Wanted him to go.
Speaker 4: And get and obviously it's been a bumpy road since
that art, came OUT but i Would say i'm just
excited to see what he. Can do AND and i
do think he's an Upgrade To. normOn powell and even
though he was not as good As norm power at
the beginning of the year or as Good as normtop
was at the beginning of, the year but he just
brings something to the TEAM that i think they. Really
missed and it really does give me the feeling that
like we're back in this position of if things, break right,
YOU know i don't, know things we might find ourselves
in a position that we haven't, been in, you know.
Speaker 1: Very often so home advantage of.
Speaker 3: The PLAYOFFS can i just point out that every team
to some degree has to have things. BREAK right i
know how you, Meant it and of course it's just
the degree of what, you need like how, much help
how much good fortune do? You Need the clippers need
more than, some teams but nothing. Is guaranteed teams, are,
like oh, you know fans can, be like oh If
if in, Butts again, Oh, Great great it's like that goes.
Speaker 2: For everybody it's not Just. The clippers there are seven
different champions the last. Seven.
Speaker 1: YEARS mhm i think it's a. GOOD take i just
thought of that. Bit before that's.
Speaker 4: So funny that's.
Speaker 1: SO good i think EVERY time i talk to waiting
for someone to say something it's. NOT true i just
thought it was a, Funny, Bit adam you're. Absolutely right.
Speaker 4: The Next time i'm on CAN anytime, i speak can
you just pop that on.
Speaker 2: The.
Speaker 1: SCREEN absolutely i was really cracking myself up. With it, I'm.
SORRY adam i was earnest.
Speaker 4: Like.
Speaker 1: Aol, now well, you're, RIGHT though i didn't want to,
click IT and i, WAS like i can't do it to.
The Guest it's. Joseph's fault It's what, I'm, saying adam
your final Thoughts on beal And. THE clippers i will
not press the, bad Take.
Speaker 3: But i'm skittish sudden sirens.
Speaker 1: Start blaring it just the whole. Screens take i'm. So
sorry no one in the chat has, said ANYTHING so
i don't think it was a good bit. At all
if you if you want to see bad bits and
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Speaker 3: PODCAST uh i just want to give Props To laura's
frank in the front OFFICE for i think optimizing the
roster to the best of our abilities considering what they
have to work with with not having first round picks
and everything like this is this is the best POSSIBLE
outcome i think from.
Speaker 2: This, SUMMER realistically.
Speaker 1: I cannot agree more. With that it. Is THAT but
i didn't think we'd be. LIKE feeling, i Mean The
brook lopez signing was GREAT and i, was like, oh
shit we got like it's a nice it's the best.
Off season in.
Speaker 2: A minute the last off season was.
Speaker 3: Pretty, good yeah it was just so much Uncertainty, with
kawhi but the pickups.
Speaker 1: Were, great yeah.
Speaker 3: That made a.
Speaker 1: Lot happen i'm. Feeling excited i've Already said i'm somehow
reverting back to being more positive about. THE team tvd
on if we Trade For chris paul a lot of the,
GOOD vibes i think hinge.
Speaker 2: On, that well if they have to trade, For him
i'm really.
Speaker 1: Not man, oh yeah you KNOW what.
Speaker 2: I mean Learned, that, HUH yeah i.
Speaker 1: Got you i'm. Doing it that's a. Bad, TAKE wait
i got? Another one? All, right uh? Old on how
about this one? For you on.
Speaker 4: The, NEXT ones i said, that earnestly.
Speaker 1: Have a good time here on clips and you would.
Speaker 3: Name, tags recently by, THE way, i.
Speaker 1: Know we fell off. On that we got to. Corporate
dude oh yeah, in, minutes, say bro what do you
think it is? Over here DraftKings doesn't pay us? That
much they don't pay. Us anything can we hop on
the stream?
Speaker 4: Yard?
Speaker 1: Link no no one else can come on.
Speaker 2: This show why does this guy just come?
Speaker 4: On?
Speaker 2: Here lie, ADAM said.
Speaker 1: I am we don't do a lot of draconian, stuff
here but no one else can come on, the show.
Speaker 3: Not.
Speaker 4: Even will will is no band.
Speaker 1: Well alive so maybe he'll Make another he'll make another.
Dip again, all right we are. Heading Out thank vim for.
Hanging out adam has already said so many positive things About. The,
clippers joseph do you want these people to? Find you
do you just want to pop? Up randomly?
Speaker 4: You can you can find me in Your Local west
hills backyard, basketball court playing forty year, old men sometimes making,
you know thirty five percent of, my threes. Sometimes not
but other, than that don't.
Speaker 1: Find me sometimes less.
Speaker 4: Than that, hey man when you actually average, it out
when you're playing pickup and, you're hot you're shooting like thirty,
four percent it's it's like.
Speaker 2: Over a. Whole, night Yeah well.
Speaker 1: I'm not playing a whole. NIGHT anyway i playing a whole,
night anyway, All RIGHT Joseph i award plays all night
for basketball in. The streets catch him in the streets
playing basketball hands forty year. Old men if it's four,
fifty nine. He's working if it's, five pm. He's changing
if it's five, oh one. He's Ooping so, i'm.
Speaker 4: Ooping look out For and i'm ooping until my bedtime at.
NINE pm i.
Speaker 1: Gotta be in until that dinner. Bell rings thank you
to everyone hanging out in the. Live, Stream adam i'm
sorry again for the bad. TAKE thing i just had to.
Use it it was a, good.
Speaker 3: Take like middle of the night when the cold sweat and,
be like maybe it was a.
Speaker 2: Bad take.
Speaker 1: We will be Back With justin rousseau next week Unless
the Clippers Signed. Chris paul the last time we did
an episode now we had to do we had to
do another, live stream so we'll probably be back in
like twenty. FOUR hours i. Don't Know the clippers play
a summer. League game let's hope they win by fifty
eight and then they can make. THE finals i don't
know how. This works there's a sack race to determine.
The seating, all right we will get out. Of here
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