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Speaker 3: Slid Welcome back the truth seekers from around the world.
Speaker 3: It's time for another edition of the Flat Earth Files
Speaker 3: podcast as we record on this Monday morning, March seventeenth,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. I hope this podcast finds everyone well
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Speaker 3: bring on today's guest. His name is Philip. Philip, how
Speaker 3: are you doing today?
Speaker 6: Sir, good Ben, how are you.
Speaker 3: I'm doing really well. Thanks again for joining us this morning.
Speaker 3: And before we kick things off, please do take a
Speaker 3: few minutes and introduce yourself to the audience.
Speaker 1: All right, well, my name's Philip. I just want to
Speaker 1: say I had a wonderful wife, a loving wife who
Speaker 1: gets really tired of hearing all my relevations and lecturing
Speaker 1: she calls it. Got two kids, two beautiful kids, and
Speaker 1: grew up down here in the South. And you know,
Speaker 1: I grew up in a Baptist church. I'll saved when
Speaker 1: I was sixteen years old, and just I kind of
Speaker 1: had a more of a I think my childhood is
Speaker 1: more closely linked to like the nineteen sixties or seventies.
Speaker 1: We kind of grew up a little bit, even though
Speaker 1: I grew up in the in the nineties. I'm thirty
Speaker 1: seven years old, and I kind of we just had
Speaker 1: a you know, small little town in North Georgia and
Speaker 1: just always had a little garden lived around all My
Speaker 1: family always had like chickens in my backyard, you know.
Speaker 1: So I worked for sixteen years for a municipal water
Speaker 1: supply here in North Georgia, and I can give you
Speaker 1: my thoughts on Floride a little later, if you would like.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I just got a high school education, never really liked
Speaker 1: anything but history. I didn't study anything. I didn't I
Speaker 1: wasn't a very good student. I didn't like reading until
Speaker 1: after I got married, and then I just started kind
Speaker 1: of delping into a lot of like Western Mountain and
Speaker 1: history all that kind of stuff, and that kind of
Speaker 1: sent me down a little bit of of a rabbit hole.
Speaker 1: With the whole Lewis and Clark expedition, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff in that that that is not taught in
Speaker 1: school today. So that's that's kind of where I come from.
Speaker 1: I don't know what else to kind of add to it.
Speaker 1: Just kind of started coming to flat Earth, I think, uh,
Speaker 1: probably around like everybody, I guess around COVID and like
Speaker 1: the withdrawal from Afghanistan, just kind of seeing all the
Speaker 1: lives and stuff and deception in the media and how
Speaker 1: the media is kind of plays on both sides kind
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, and just and then seeing NASA how
Speaker 1: they lost the technology and all this. It just kind
Speaker 1: of started researching in all this, and that kind of
Speaker 1: sent me down all those rabbit holes.
Speaker 3: Anyway, that's interesting I've never really heard anyone mention that
Speaker 3: the withdrawal from Afghanistan kind of but that makes complete sense.
Speaker 3: How why any individual in charge of an operation like
Speaker 3: that would just say, Okay, we're done, everybody leave and
Speaker 3: number one leave billions, just tens of billions of dollars,
Speaker 3: if not trillions of equipment behind. And then there was
Speaker 3: I think something a lot of truth seekers forget about
Speaker 3: because there's so many rabbit holes in. Every week there's
Speaker 3: new sy ops dropped. I don't remember if you remember that.
Speaker 3: It was either a C one thirty or a C
Speaker 3: five that was taken off and there was like one
Speaker 3: hundred people attached to it, and there was the interesting
Speaker 3: numbers on the plane and it looked like it was
Speaker 3: an inflatable plane. And do you remember that whole thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the it took off of the guy holding
Speaker 1: like holding on to the bottom of it or something
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then they showed it like a guy fell
Speaker 3: from like five hundred feet You remember that as it
Speaker 3: was taking off.
Speaker 1: It's insane.
Speaker 3: Did that even happen or was that just another sy op?
Speaker 3: Because it sure looked it didn't look like an authentic plane.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that kind of stood up to me. But
Speaker 1: I mean, I've never been in the military, so I
Speaker 1: have no idea about that. But just something that you know,
Speaker 1: I was remember September eleventh very vividly. You know. I
Speaker 1: was in my eighth eighth grade classroom in a science class,
Speaker 1: and like remember the whole whole day. I guess that
Speaker 1: was kind of like the guys with the Challenger and everything,
Speaker 1: everybody kind of remembers where they were at. But just
Speaker 1: that whole experience kind of stuck with me all my childhood,
Speaker 1: my young adulthood, you know. And then because we were
Speaker 1: at war from the time I was fourteen till I
Speaker 1: mean just what just a couple of years ago, like
Speaker 1: twenty years.
Speaker 6: And what really I mean that it opened my eyes is.
Speaker 1: That we we had all the we'd fought against this enemy,
Speaker 1: the talent Man for for two decades, like and lost
Speaker 1: so many lives and all this stuff.
Speaker 6: And then and.
Speaker 1: Then Joe Biden gets elected and we were suddenly in
Speaker 1: talks and peace treaties with them, and everything's good, and
Speaker 1: we just surrendered eighty eight billion dollars worth of equipment
Speaker 1: and stuff like that to them. It's like, so you're
Speaker 1: telling me that the two decades we just spent in
Speaker 1: war like didn't mean anything like, that's just kind of it.
Speaker 1: It really just opened my eyes to like to all
Speaker 1: of it in a sense. I think that's that's how
Speaker 1: I mean that. If that might be a little bit confusing, I'm.
Speaker 3: Sorry, No, no, it makes perfect sense. And I would
Speaker 3: venture to guess that the people who witnessed the way
Speaker 3: we exited Vietnam felt the same way. Right that the
Speaker 3: helicopters on the roofs and people trying to climb in.
Speaker 3: I think they were chinooks and uate sixties and they
Speaker 3: were just okay, that's it. And it really just goes
Speaker 3: to show how little they care about our lives, because
Speaker 3: for Vietnam, they were willing to just you know, expend
Speaker 3: fifty eight thousand lives and that's just the people who
Speaker 3: were killed. That doesn't touch the number of people who
Speaker 3: were injured, wounded. Never you know, we're able to hear
Speaker 3: heal mentally. You know, we talk about the twenty two
Speaker 3: veterans a day who take their own lives because of
Speaker 3: these exact things they've seen. Their buddies lost their lives.
Speaker 3: And then all the in Afghanistan, you know how many
Speaker 3: people I had email me about veterans who were in Afghanistan,
Speaker 3: lost buddies in Afghanistan, and then just to walk away
Speaker 3: like that. It was a slap in the face to
Speaker 3: a lot of people. But nothing that not just this
Speaker 3: government does, but most governments around the world, because I
Speaker 3: think we all know that they're all controlled by the
Speaker 3: same entity. None of it makes sense. We are last
Speaker 3: when it comes to and these are the people that
Speaker 3: are supposedly, you know, sworn to protect us. And that
Speaker 3: is the furthest thing from the truth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I kind of I just wrote some notes
Speaker 1: down here, so I'm just sorry from rambling, but I
Speaker 1: just I kind of believe the same people that instigated
Speaker 1: war in the first place. Like that's kind of what
Speaker 1: I believe is. I just started looking at war and
Speaker 1: how they it's almost like they use it to control
Speaker 1: and depopulate, and like World War One makes no sense
Speaker 1: to me whatsoever, Like how that it happened so fast,
Speaker 1: so rapidly, when most people didn't even have electricity, there
Speaker 1: was no internet in their homes. There wasn't any way
Speaker 1: to to like to to propagandize them as much at
Speaker 1: that time. Yet it all happened extremely fast, and you
Speaker 1: know it just it doesn't make sense to me on
Speaker 1: the scheme of things, other than the fact that maybe
Speaker 1: they propagandize them over a span of decades, you know,
Speaker 1: and who is they? I don't like media controllers and
Speaker 1: government entities and stuff like that. At the time, I.
Speaker 3: Guess, yeah, And that's a great point in all. You know,
Speaker 3: they say that World War One kicked off because of
Speaker 3: you know, the Archduke Ferdinand assassination, but they also claim,
Speaker 3: you know, the Lusitania's voyage May of nineteen fifteen. But
Speaker 3: even Germany warned in the New York Times newspaper, they said, hey,
Speaker 3: don't get on that boat because they're actually shuttling weapons
Speaker 3: back and forth in that thing. It's not an actual liner.
Speaker 3: And they warned the Americans and the English stay off
Speaker 3: of that boat. They gave them a full warning before
Speaker 3: they sank it. So, you know, the history books claim,
Speaker 3: you know, between the Lusitania and the Archduke Ferdinand, that
Speaker 3: is the reason why you know that this pain and
Speaker 3: suffering of millions of people occurred. And you're right. If
Speaker 3: you look at the very first law of the Georgia guidestones,
Speaker 3: it talks about population control, and war is certainly one.
Speaker 3: I mean that wipes out family trees, I mean million
Speaker 3: of people. And I'm i hesitate to say, but I
Speaker 3: believe world War three is right around the corner. England
Speaker 3: came out last night. They're sending ten thousand soldiers to Ukraine.
Speaker 3: They're calling them peacekeepers. But if there's no such thing
Speaker 3: as a peace treaty in place, they're not peacekeepers, and
Speaker 3: Russia will treat them as such. So you can imagine
Speaker 3: if uk puts some troops on the ground and you know,
Speaker 3: a Russian sniper takes one out, how the powers that
Speaker 3: be are going to run with that story.
Speaker 1: It sounds a little bit like Vietnam to me, you know, well,
Speaker 1: like the peacekeepers and all that.
Speaker 3: The advisors they called the war they called them the advisors,
Speaker 3: but they were soldiers.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well, and actually too, it sounds a lot
Speaker 1: to me like World War Two as well. I mean,
Speaker 1: like for decades before, or a decade during the nineteen thirties,
Speaker 1: it seems like we were arming, you know, Britain, and
Speaker 1: we were arming France, like we were sending like the
Speaker 1: lease programs and all this for like the small arms
Speaker 1: and all this. And you can go back and just look,
Speaker 1: and it was just like, there's so much of the
Speaker 1: same like rhetoric going on today as there was back
Speaker 1: in the nineteen thirties, you know, before World War Two.
Speaker 1: So there's nothing new under the sun. I guess no.
Speaker 3: They've re used the same playbook over and over again.
Speaker 3: And they told us that they always tell us ahead
Speaker 3: of time of what's going to come. And I think
Speaker 3: it was Karl Marx and Morls and Dogma said that
Speaker 3: there will be three world wars. And I really, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm not here to push fearpoint or anything like that,
Speaker 3: but all you have to do is look to see
Speaker 3: how things are falling into place. I think it's going
Speaker 3: to be sooner than later then we see part three.
Speaker 3: I don't think people are going to fall for another
Speaker 3: another vaccine mandate that it's gonna be, so I think
Speaker 3: they'll go back to old, reliable and more. Before we
Speaker 3: get too far into it, though, I do want to
Speaker 3: backtrack just a hair because one of the earlier podcasts
Speaker 3: I did was about Edward Burne's and he truly understood
Speaker 3: how the human mind worked, and he was paid by
Speaker 3: the US government. The freedom Torches were in I think
Speaker 3: it was in the twenties or thirties. The women came
Speaker 3: out smoking cigarettes because back then only men smoked, and
Speaker 3: they're like, wow, we only have half a customer base.
Speaker 3: So they pushed that for the cigarette companies to make money.
Speaker 3: And then he was behind getting people to convince people
Speaker 3: that it was okay to put fluoride in the water.
Speaker 3: Because Alcoa, which is the was it the Aluminum Company
Speaker 3: of America. They orchestrated this public relations campaign to convince
Speaker 3: not only the citizens but political leaders that it would
Speaker 3: be good if they took Alcoa's toxic byproduct, which are
Speaker 3: full I think they're in the form of fluoride, salt
Speaker 3: and the atom to the drinking water. That way, Alcoa
Speaker 3: didn't have to pay this you know high you know
Speaker 3: high rates for disposing of this. What are your thoughts
Speaker 3: on that?
Speaker 1: Well, like I said, i I'm not I'm not too
Speaker 1: educated on this whole situation, but I was. What my
Speaker 1: job was at at at the with the water Authority
Speaker 1: was just to I was to pull samples. I kind
Speaker 1: of did a little bit. I started at the bottom
Speaker 1: on a construction crew, fixing leaks and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and then I went all the way to working into
Speaker 1: the water treatment plant, and I would go out in
Speaker 1: the field, I'd pull water samples. So I didn't really
Speaker 1: get to work on like water treatment specifically, But but
Speaker 1: what I did learn, what I seen a lot, was
Speaker 1: that where we stored and received floride, that inside that building,
Speaker 1: like it would literally like the metals, the plastic, the brick,
Speaker 1: all the plumbing, it would just deteriorate. Uh, just just
Speaker 1: to kind of give you a little like idea of
Speaker 1: how like volatile or how dangerous that stuff was. Like
Speaker 1: everything would just break down. And I'm talking about like
Speaker 1: the the exterior of the room, not just like the
Speaker 1: container you know, this stuff was in, or the plumbing
Speaker 1: that this stuff fed through, like just being in that room,
Speaker 1: like you could kind of smell it when you walk,
Speaker 1: and it was a large, you know, industrial storage tank
Speaker 1: and stuff all that stuff. But I was a water
Speaker 1: laboratory analyst, and I was I was only that for
Speaker 1: a little while, and I wasn't a very good one.
Speaker 7: I I got I had to, you know, take a
Speaker 7: class on it and everything like that, on laboratory procedures
Speaker 7: and all that stuff, and learn a little bit about
Speaker 7: chemistry and all that and the teacher that I was
Speaker 7: the whole time I was in there, he was a
Speaker 7: very educated man, and he was just telling me that,
Speaker 7: you know, there's basically no reason for fluoride.
Speaker 1: They say it's for our teeth, but if you administer
Speaker 1: too much, it will actually wrought your teeth out. So
Speaker 1: you have to be within like millimeters or not millimeters,
Speaker 1: but you have to be very specific with the amount
Speaker 1: that you that you administer, or else it will do
Speaker 1: the opposite effect. And in fact, I think that that's
Speaker 1: probably why having fluoride and all of our toothpaste and
Speaker 1: having fluoride and our drinking water is probably why I've
Speaker 1: just noticed it doesn't matter how well you brush your
Speaker 1: teeth how or anybody how much you lost, generally you're
Speaker 1: going to have to have a couple of cavities fixed,
Speaker 1: you know, in your mouth. And I think that with
Speaker 1: the addition of sugar and all of our diets and everything,
Speaker 1: has a large part of it. But I really think
Speaker 1: that it's probably the fluoride is actually breaking down the
Speaker 1: enamel on our teeth, is what I really think. And
Speaker 1: I just as far as that goes, I just think
Speaker 1: that that is it's just a toxin that we should
Speaker 1: not be putting in our water, but we're mandated to
Speaker 1: by the state. And if you don't administry, I mean,
Speaker 1: you can pay severe, they can shut you down, you know.
Speaker 1: But that's my thoughts on it. I hope that that
Speaker 1: was clear.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's one hundred percent clear, Very well said, and
Speaker 3: coming from somebody who's been in a water treatment center.
Speaker 3: That is very interesting. Yeah, and it's very similar to
Speaker 3: our healthcare system. People say it all the time. We
Speaker 3: don't really have a healthcare system. We have a sick
Speaker 3: care system, and a healthy individual is not a good
Speaker 3: model for a business for the healthcare industry, and I
Speaker 3: think that is the same with the dental industry. And
Speaker 3: I think there is something nefarious about putting chemicals into water.
Speaker 3: There's not only been people who have written journals and
Speaker 3: done studies on the physical harm of fluoride, but it's
Speaker 3: often stated that it was used during World War Two
Speaker 3: to make people docile. And if you look at everything
Speaker 3: that has happened to us post World War Two as
Speaker 3: a country and how we have generally accepted everything, it's
Speaker 3: kind of interesting to think about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole water treatment process is kind of fascinating,
Speaker 1: but there's a whole list of chemicals that go into
Speaker 1: the treatment of water, and like they're all they all
Speaker 1: have their negative side effects, and it just what was
Speaker 1: fascinating to me is that we were treating water and
Speaker 1: like I said, based on my class that I had
Speaker 1: to take on that we were treating water in the
Speaker 1: early twentieth century, like nineteen hundred and would just coourine
Speaker 1: and it was generally considered pretty safe. It would kill
Speaker 1: like a lot of bacteria and passages that might be
Speaker 1: contained in the water and everything like that. And then
Speaker 1: further you can go and like filter the larger you know,
Speaker 1: bacteria and stuff like that, the cysts that forming water
Speaker 1: that can like crypto spreitty, you can filter that out
Speaker 1: basically through industrial filtration. So I mean it's like, really,
Speaker 1: I think all we need to have healthy drinking water.
Speaker 1: And I think people did have healthy drinking water back
Speaker 1: in the day a lot so more than people realize,
Speaker 1: just from having wells and things like that. But even
Speaker 1: people in the cities that had as long as you
Speaker 1: just had chlorine and it run through a filter, it
Speaker 1: was probably very safe. But yeah, we just have to
Speaker 1: it seems like we have to mess with everything that
Speaker 1: we do like that, you know, and it just seems
Speaker 1: like the more we get involved with it, the more
Speaker 1: it it kind of destroys it in a sense.
Speaker 3: And you could take that analogy and put it to
Speaker 3: modern day medicine. And I'm talking specifically about the pharmaceutical side.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 3: If you're sick, right, and we saw that in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty and twenty twenty one, right, you never heard, well
Speaker 3: you should probably get outside and get some sunlight because
Speaker 3: that gives you vitamin D that's going to help you
Speaker 3: and eat better and all these other things. It was
Speaker 3: just don't get a vaccine, Dope, get a vaccine. Don't
Speaker 3: get a vaccine. And it's the same with the measle
Speaker 3: outbreak in Texas. Right, there's an episode of The Brady
Speaker 3: Bunch that has gone viral again where one of the
Speaker 3: boys come home from school because he got the measles
Speaker 3: and they're all excited. They have their party upstairs and
Speaker 3: they're like, isn't this great and we don't even need
Speaker 3: to get a shot. But now here we are, just
Speaker 3: just forty years later, and they have taken it and
Speaker 3: flipped it upside and oh no, no, no, no. The
Speaker 3: only cure for this is vaccination. And exactly like you said,
Speaker 3: the more that man intervenes you could call it chemically
Speaker 3: or whatever you wanted to say, Uh, the more damage
Speaker 3: we're doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the that's another kind of rabbit hole. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the whole pharmaceutical thing. I I love. Like
Speaker 1: I said, I was just interested in history as a kid,
Speaker 1: and I was more specifically I was kind of interested
Speaker 1: in like how people could could make something from nothing,
Speaker 1: you know, like how Native Americans, for instance, you know,
Speaker 1: they could utilize a whole buffalo, or they could utilize
Speaker 1: a whole deer or whatever like that. That was that
Speaker 1: was always fascinating. But also it's like early Americans could
Speaker 1: like move out on the frontier and they didn't need
Speaker 1: hospital or doctors or anything like that. There was just
Speaker 1: so much knowledge of like medicinal plants and and their
Speaker 1: diet was so much healthier. It's like they didn't and
Speaker 1: it's like that's so that's so different from today where
Speaker 1: it's like every ailment we have appeal for every we
Speaker 1: had to go to the doctor every time our children
Speaker 1: get the sniffles, and like we have no knowledge, just
Speaker 1: like dandelions in our yard, we have no knowledge of
Speaker 1: some of these medicinal weeds that you know that grow
Speaker 1: out here that God has given us. You know, His
Speaker 1: whole system is perfect, and the only thing that we
Speaker 1: can do is seem seemingly muck it up, you know,
Speaker 1: and we don't ever utilize it. We and we put
Speaker 1: our faith in man. And if you read the Bible,
Speaker 1: you can just see that putting your faith in man's
Speaker 1: only going to lead to death.
Speaker 3: In my opinion, and I quote that often Psalms one
Speaker 3: eighteen eight. Just put your trust in God, not in
Speaker 3: not so much in man. And then again I tend
Speaker 3: to speak specifically about, you know, pharmaceuticals, because the medical
Speaker 3: industry has done some amazing things, you know, especially the
Speaker 3: things I've seen in combat. But the pharmaceutical is a
Speaker 3: very dark and evil. The emails I get are just
Speaker 3: incredible that the things how it is just decimated people's lives.
Speaker 3: One more thing I wanted to mentioned before we kind
Speaker 3: of get under the flat earth trail is you had
Speaker 3: mentioned you said you were in like the eighth grade
Speaker 3: when the Columbia disaster happened, and we.
Speaker 1: In the eighth grade when September eleventh happened.
Speaker 3: Oh, when September eleventh happened. Okay, so you would have
Speaker 3: been in the tenth grade. Yeah, so you guys in
Speaker 3: your school you watched that happen as well, And that
Speaker 3: had to for an eighth grader, for someone who was
Speaker 3: probably twelve or thirteen, that had to have a tremendous
Speaker 3: effect on your psyche.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what And that's something that's something that really
Speaker 1: started thinking about it. I guess the Afghanistan withdrawal, you
Speaker 1: know it just the reason I mentioned that earlier is
Speaker 1: just it just put so many thoughts in my mind.
Speaker 1: You know, like I just went back and I was
Speaker 1: so mad on September eleventh, two thousand and one. You know,
Speaker 1: like I was mad. I was scared, just like everybody
Speaker 1: else was. And I was just I was mad at
Speaker 1: like Muslims, Like I was mad at like like why
Speaker 1: did they do this to this? And how did this happen?
Speaker 1: And and like I can't And you know, there was
Speaker 1: so much propaganda coming out, like you know, we got
Speaker 1: to go get them, go get them, like suit up
Speaker 1: or whatever. People were enlisting, you know, they were they
Speaker 1: were standing out in front of enlistment centers wrapped around
Speaker 1: the building. I just in my little town. You know,
Speaker 1: like I remember seeing all this kind of stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: and so many of my classmates as soon as we
Speaker 1: come a age. I mean they even though it was
Speaker 1: you know, several years later, they were still they enlisted.
Speaker 1: Like it changed people's lives, you know, it put it
Speaker 1: in their mind. And I just kind of started thinking
Speaker 1: back on how much hate it put in me for
Speaker 1: like those Middle Eastern countries and then and like I said,
Speaker 1: when we pulled out and we're sitting here having these
Speaker 1: talks with a towel, and it's like what just happened?
Speaker 1: Like why how did this? Uh? You know, but I
Speaker 1: got to thinking about where that hate come from? Like
Speaker 1: where did it? It was? It was literally television and
Speaker 1: media constantly bombarding me. Was like, you know, it's the Muslims,
Speaker 1: It's it's a terrorist. It's a terrorist. It's the Middle Easter,
Speaker 1: n Middle Eastern terror and it and it never and
Speaker 1: it kind of it just put this hatred in me.
Speaker 1: And I feel so ashamed that I have that, or
Speaker 1: I had that, you know, even especially at a young age.
Speaker 1: You know, I was fourteen, fifteen, sixteen years old, you know,
Speaker 1: after that incidant and I mean it's like I could
Speaker 1: have like just seen a Muslim and I would just
Speaker 1: give them the side eye, you know, and just just
Speaker 1: had this almost like a hatred for him, you know.
Speaker 1: And I and I'm ashamed of that now, but it
Speaker 1: was just just thinking back on how much I was propagandized,
Speaker 1: and I just think how much we all were propagandized
Speaker 1: at that time to hate somebody that probably didn't have
Speaker 1: anything to do, you know what I'm saying, especially the
Speaker 1: more that comes out. And then, like I said, we
Speaker 1: were just it just seems like they wanted it to happen.
Speaker 1: So that's sorry for Spiel.
Speaker 3: No, No, that's a lot of people feel that way.
Speaker 3: And I was in Hawaii for nine to eleven and
Speaker 3: we moved the next month. So I was in the
Speaker 3: airport about the third week of October two thousand and one,
Speaker 3: and things were still kind of dicey, you know, people
Speaker 3: were still on edge, and I vividly recall them. My
Speaker 3: wife and I talk about this often. The few Muslims
Speaker 3: that were there, they just looked petrified because everybody was
Speaker 3: burning holes through them looking at them. And if you know,
Speaker 3: one came on our plane and you would have thought
Speaker 3: that person was Satan. Himself by the way everyone looked
Speaker 3: at them. But that was the that was the goal,
Speaker 3: that was one of the outcomes that they wanted that
Speaker 3: they wanted us to. It's always bad, you know, man,
Speaker 3: with turb and bad right that that is, that is
Speaker 3: the angle that they play. So when we do finally
Speaker 3: get around to bombing Iran, everyone here in the States
Speaker 3: will just accept it. Well, they're bad, they're evil. But
Speaker 3: but you look at all the countries that they've attacked
Speaker 3: over the last hundred years against all the countries that
Speaker 3: we've attacked over the last hundred years. It takes a
Speaker 3: lot of reprogramming to be able to look at things
Speaker 3: like that. But if we need to ever make progress
Speaker 3: and really become a nation that follows Christ, we need
Speaker 3: to really evaluate these type of things.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, It's like I said, I just that that
Speaker 1: eight that come in me. I just I'm so ashamed
Speaker 1: of that now. But like I'm looking back on it, it
Speaker 1: was hard not to have it, you know. I Mean
Speaker 1: we've seen people jumping from from buildings, you know, one
Speaker 1: hundred stories up or eighty stores up, whatever it was,
Speaker 1: and just the whole event, you know, and then it
Speaker 1: seems like what was interesting to me too, Like, looking
Speaker 1: back on it, it's like about twenty twelve, Barack Obama's
Speaker 1: presidency or whatever, it just seemed like there was a
Speaker 1: lot more of a movement to get out of it.
Speaker 1: You know, It's like, Okay, we're done with this, let's
Speaker 1: wash our hands with this, let's get out of Iraq
Speaker 1: and everything. Not that they necessarily really did, but there
Speaker 1: was just a lot more media attention on it that
Speaker 1: was kind of negative, and movies were coming out about
Speaker 1: how the war and how traumatic it is, and it
Speaker 1: just seemed like they were done and they were wanting
Speaker 1: to get out. And I don't know, but they still
Speaker 1: stayed in there until twenty one or twenty twenty two
Speaker 1: or whatever that was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then I can assure you that we still
Speaker 3: have troops in Iraq, we still have troops in Syria
Speaker 3: guarding the kind of oil fields, and I can bet
Speaker 3: you that we have some type of presence in Afghanistan
Speaker 3: somewhere for sure.
Speaker 1: I'm sure.
Speaker 3: Where was I going to go next? I just had
Speaker 3: my notes in front of me. I wanted to get
Speaker 3: back to Flatter. You had mentioned your silver bullets. You
Speaker 3: said that you've been a flatter earther for about two
Speaker 3: to three years. By the way, I went to we
Speaker 3: have a local an egg store, agriculture store where we
Speaker 3: get our chicken feed and or straw and things like that.
Speaker 3: But in the front part of the store they have
Speaker 3: like antiques. A lot of Mennonites work there, and they
Speaker 3: had a globe, a small globe, and yeah, I picked
Speaker 3: it up, and sure enough, on the very bottom this
Speaker 3: is for decorative purposes and not for educational purposes. And
Speaker 3: I showed my wife and we just laughed. But you said,
Speaker 3: for you the fact that the globe was already designed
Speaker 3: and displayed on television decades before space travel.
Speaker 6: Yeah, man, like during like ever black.
Speaker 1: And white movie you know, has that the spinning or
Speaker 1: not everyone, but I think it's universal they have the globe.
Speaker 1: And I've always kind of that always kind of shot me,
Speaker 1: you know, because it was just like, well, how did
Speaker 1: they really know that before space travel? I guess they're
Speaker 1: just good at making maps, I guess, but it just
Speaker 1: kind of one of them things that would stick, you know.
Speaker 1: I never really put two and two together, never thought
Speaker 1: of but it did kind of hit me the wrong
Speaker 1: way that how when somebody in the nineteen twenties even
Speaker 1: like or nineteen thirties, nineteen forties even depict a globe,
Speaker 1: you know, because like they have no concept. You haven't
Speaker 1: been up there, you don't have satellites, you don't you know.
Speaker 1: It was just one of them things that kind of
Speaker 1: stuck in my mind. And then so when all this
Speaker 1: like flat Earth would start, you know, coming up and
Speaker 1: start talking about NASA, and I don't necessarily know what
Speaker 1: really like made me a flat earther, And it was it.
Speaker 6: Was kind of like the media.
Speaker 1: It was just kind of like not in movies and
Speaker 1: and just realizing that all of that was kind of fake,
Speaker 1: you know. And and it's like if they faked all
Speaker 1: of the the movies and they fake and they faked
Speaker 1: the globe and they already had it designed, and it
Speaker 1: was such a it was just such a powerful thing
Speaker 1: to me to realize that there's no such thing as
Speaker 1: like free entertainment or free you know, journalism or media.
Speaker 1: It's all kind of based on uh, like these higher
Speaker 1: up elite education and stuff based off of NASA, based
Speaker 1: off of you know, I'm probably not making much sense,
Speaker 1: but it was just it all kind of it all
Speaker 1: kind of come together for me when I realized that,
Speaker 1: like all media is fake basically.
Speaker 3: No, I think you're you're you're spot on, and many
Speaker 3: people come to to the to the flat earth that
Speaker 3: same route. It's like, well, if this is a lie,
Speaker 3: and that's a lie, and that's a lie, well then
Speaker 3: why would this be the one exception?
Speaker 1: Yeah? It and like I've heard you mentioned a lot
Speaker 1: of times that you know, you were like for two weeks,
Speaker 1: you were kind of distraught or whatever when you realize
Speaker 1: that the Earth was flat. It was just kind of
Speaker 1: I think I was more distraught when I realized, like
Speaker 1: every single whether it's a children's movie that I grew
Speaker 1: up watching in the nineties or whether it was you know,
Speaker 1: any movie, it's just it has some type of agenda
Speaker 1: that tries to bring you away from God. One of
Speaker 1: the biggest movies that I kind of remember that when
Speaker 1: this realization hit was it was a Leam Neeson movie
Speaker 1: in like twenty eleven, I think it was The Gray,
Speaker 1: and it was very it was like a the whole
Speaker 1: movie was just about being an atheist and like just
Speaker 1: trying to take God out of the equation. And I
Speaker 1: wound up watching the watching it. We went to the
Speaker 1: movie theaters and watching Me a Wife, and I just
Speaker 1: left feeling kind of like having so many questions, like
Speaker 1: why did they spend millions of dollars on this movie?
Speaker 1: I thought it was like a survival movie, like a
Speaker 1: the guy was the guy. It's like a he's plane
Speaker 1: crashes in the Arctic somewhere in an old rig. It
Speaker 1: crashes in the in the middle of the wilderness, and
Speaker 1: he has to you know, get back to civilization or whatever.
Speaker 1: But he wounds up dying and like blaming God or
Speaker 1: or something like that. And it was just a horrible movie.
Speaker 1: And and it just really kind of hit me, and
Speaker 1: I was just wondering, like why would they spend so
Speaker 1: much time and money and effort like just just trashing
Speaker 1: on Christianity or God, you know. And then that kind
Speaker 1: of and that's like I said, this is twenty eleven
Speaker 1: and ever since then, it was just like every single movie,
Speaker 1: whether it's a children's movie, whether it's a action a drama,
Speaker 1: it's like trying to take God out of the equation.
Speaker 1: It's all about man, it's all about our accomplishments, and
Speaker 1: and like and then and then it's about you know
Speaker 1: that That's just what it seems like to me, and
Speaker 1: and that's kind of what some of that stuff just
Speaker 1: kind of started waking me up. Just there constant trying
Speaker 1: to hide or separate you from God.
Speaker 6: So sorry to ramble, no, that's whenever you want.
Speaker 3: No, you're well said. I was listening intently because that movie,
Speaker 3: you're right, it pushes atheism and it's God's fault for
Speaker 3: for things, you know, bad things that happen in our lives.
Speaker 3: But really Scott was involved with that, and he's an
Speaker 3: outspoken atheist and that's the reason he also was a
Speaker 3: I think he did The Blade Runner too. Uh he
Speaker 3: he claims that he was. You know, he was a
Speaker 3: big fan of HG. Wells and other scientism guy. All
Speaker 3: these people are part of the club. He's considered royalty
Speaker 3: in England. And if you know what those folks are
Speaker 3: all about it shouldn't surprise people that most of the
Speaker 3: propaganda that is pushed in Hollywood is anti Christ. Now
Speaker 3: they don't come out and say it, it's not part
Speaker 3: of the title. But if you take time and on
Speaker 3: dissect a movie, not ninety percent of the movies that
Speaker 3: come out and post twenty twenty, the movie industry isn't
Speaker 3: quite what it used to be. I think they have
Speaker 3: to do a lot of their messaging through controlled social
Speaker 3: media and YouTubers, because you know, every weekend blockbusters used
Speaker 3: to come out.
Speaker 1: I have.
Speaker 3: I think I've been to one movie in five years.
Speaker 3: But they do push very subtly their agendas through movies,
Speaker 3: whether it's like you said, the What's what was it
Speaker 3: called the Wolf, the Gray Wolf, the Gray? The Gray?
Speaker 3: That's right, the Gray William Neeson's movie, or science fiction
Speaker 3: with the Star Wars series, or germ theory like Contagion.
Speaker 3: So all these things are used, going full circle back
Speaker 3: to Edward Burnet's to control the mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that may seem people listening may think like, well,
Speaker 1: how does this even pertain to flat Earth. It's just
Speaker 1: it just started me down a path of just realizing
Speaker 1: that literally, they're so good at making these movies, they're
Speaker 1: so good at realism, and it's like it just made
Speaker 1: sense when it was just a perfect Why wouldn't you.
Speaker 6: Fake a moon landing? Why wouldn't you fate that the.
Speaker 1: World is it's flat? I mean, like, it's how they
Speaker 1: govern us, it's how they they based all Like I said,
Speaker 1: they based all of the education.
Speaker 6: They based all of their governance like off of these.
Speaker 1: Few beliefs or whatever that and it's like that that's
Speaker 1: the one thing that like basically everybody on earth shares.
Speaker 6: Is like, oh yeah, that we live on a globe.
Speaker 6: You know, the Earth is a globe. Like that's the.
Speaker 1: One thing that most governments are all governments except you know,
Speaker 1: and and and it's how do they push that. It's
Speaker 1: like through movies, through all these realistic movies, and through
Speaker 1: all these news broadcasts, through through the I don't know
Speaker 1: how to say it, but through the media, you know.
Speaker 1: And so much of our education is based off of
Speaker 1: like the media. That's from going all the way back
Speaker 1: to to to to the turn of the centive to
Speaker 1: the turn of the twentieth century. You know, it's like
Speaker 1: all these people in higher education, you know, how do
Speaker 1: they just push the their their narrative onto everybody that
Speaker 1: then turned around and it and taught it to us.
Speaker 1: They pushed their narrative to the people in higher education
Speaker 1: at that time, and then they taught it to us, uh,
Speaker 1: down through the down through the years. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: I think I'm on a link that that that's where
Speaker 1: it got me I guess, And that's where I believe
Speaker 1: that it's it's how they how they're able to not
Speaker 1: necessarily I don't want to say pull it off, but
Speaker 1: how they pull it over my eyes, I guess, you know.
Speaker 1: And then when I just I think, I think the
Speaker 1: Lord really just kind of revealed it to me one day.
Speaker 6: I don't know how else.
Speaker 1: I mean, it just it just felt like a a
Speaker 1: veil will come down. I think, like I said after
Speaker 1: that movie, kind of it's like everything that they everything
Speaker 1: that the media, everything that educates, like higher education, it's
Speaker 1: all based off of just a certain set of facts
Speaker 1: and and like they are the arbiters of those facts basically,
Speaker 1: and and they're the only way that we get to
Speaker 1: learn anything other than the Bible, you know, So the
Speaker 1: truth out there, it's in the Bible. We just don't
Speaker 1: get to to we're not in higher education. We're not
Speaker 1: we're not the the heads of these major colleges, these
Speaker 1: these heads of these major media companies and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: So anyway, Yeah, that was the biggest coup was when
Speaker 3: the federal government hijacked the Department of Education, because then
Speaker 3: they controlled history, they controlled the narrative and the teacher's job.
Speaker 3: People don't know the textbooks only come was it ninety
Speaker 3: five percent of the textbooks come from two companies, That's
Speaker 3: what I think. It's Pearson and McGraw hill. And if
Speaker 3: you take the time to research both Gislaine Maxwell's father
Speaker 3: and then the guy who ran Apollo Management, I think
Speaker 3: his name was Leon Black. These both you know, they
Speaker 3: both had direct connections to people like Jeffrey Epstein. And
Speaker 3: these are the people who are writing our history books.
Speaker 3: If that doesn't raise your eyebrows, I don't know what will.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And and I kind of I kind of view
Speaker 1: that like the same people like you're talking about McGraw
Speaker 1: hill and or all these families and all these higher
Speaker 1: ups or whatever you want to call them. I think
Speaker 1: that they're it's very well known in my opinion, or
Speaker 1: I feel very confident in saying that they're the ones
Speaker 1: that probably constructed the Georgia gadstones in some form or fashion.
Speaker 1: And and they're and they're the ones. They're probably the
Speaker 1: same ones that orchestrated like World War One and probably
Speaker 1: even World War two and all that, and and and
Speaker 1: I think that that's what they're doing, is they're just
Speaker 1: kind of managing us and as cattle in a sense,
Speaker 1: and as bad as that sounds, and uh, and they're
Speaker 1: all one and the same. I think it's what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get at, you know. Uh, I don't know how,
Speaker 1: but I.
Speaker 6: Think that the.
Speaker 1: Like I think that like World War One was a
Speaker 1: was a great reset. Really, I mean, that's kind of
Speaker 1: what I go back to. I mean, just thinking about
Speaker 1: how many millions of young boys that that took out
Speaker 1: of the equation and how many like families that that
Speaker 1: pulled out of like history, you know, or out of
Speaker 1: the future, if you will, Like they were able to,
Speaker 1: like we're talking about, kind to kind of take a
Speaker 1: lot of the large portions of every continence or every
Speaker 1: society's best and brightest, put them in a ditch and
Speaker 1: take them out of the equation and then come in
Speaker 1: with their education system and come in and kind of
Speaker 1: like rewrite history while everybody is focused on this war
Speaker 1: that's happening in Europe. You know, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3: It makes perfect sense. And when you only have two choices,
Speaker 3: go to war, go to jail, there's no sunny outcome,
Speaker 3: and it's it's quite evil when you sit back and
Speaker 3: think about it, especially and listen, if foreign troops actually
Speaker 3: came upon our soil, like you know, literally like that
Speaker 3: movie from nineteen eighty four, right Red Dawn or whatever
Speaker 3: it was called, everybody's going to band together and fight it.
Speaker 3: But this continuing thought of well, we have to go
Speaker 3: to Vietnam to stike to stop communism, and nothing came
Speaker 3: about of those poor fifty eight thousand lives, and you know,
Speaker 3: insert war here. It is exactly that is, the powers
Speaker 3: that be literally putting people through the meat grinder. For
Speaker 3: lack of a better word. It sounds horrible, but you know,
Speaker 3: you call a spade of spade, that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 3: And until people, you know, go back, it's frustrating to me.
Speaker 3: I'm writing a series right now on sub Stack talking
Speaker 3: about how, you know, we hold most presidents, we loathe
Speaker 3: most presidents, to be kind, but we still look upon
Speaker 3: the founding fathers with smiles. But if you look at
Speaker 3: little things like the Whiskey Rebellion, which happened just like
Speaker 3: one or two years after the founding of this country,
Speaker 3: it was like seventeen nine, seventeen ninety one, because they
Speaker 3: already put these huge taxes on the farmers and people
Speaker 3: think today, well, those are farmers. Back then, over ninety
Speaker 3: percent of the population was engaged in farming. They didn't
Speaker 3: go to the seven to eleven, They didn't go to
Speaker 3: Walmart for their food. They grew their own food. So
Speaker 3: when they put these taxes on, and they took their
Speaker 3: leftover grains, right, they took their leftover rye wheat, and
Speaker 3: they would make whiskey with it. That's how they subsidized
Speaker 3: their income. So what does Washington do. He puts this
Speaker 3: huge whiskey tax on all these grains. Hundreds, if not
Speaker 3: thousands of people in western Pennsylvania said no, we're not
Speaker 3: paying it. And they rolled in fifteen thousand, fifteen thousand
Speaker 3: federal troops to get them to pay their taxes. And
Speaker 3: this is like one or two years afterwards. What they
Speaker 3: don't tell you what your history books, the history books
Speaker 3: tells you about the Pilgrims. Are these people who came
Speaker 3: to America and they broke bread with the Indians and
Speaker 3: that's why we celebrate Thanksgiving. You know what they don't
Speaker 3: tell you about the Pilgrims. They were Puritans who who
Speaker 3: believed that the British government didn't go far enough with
Speaker 3: reformations so they came over here, the Protestants and their
Speaker 3: education system was based around the Bible, and they couldn't
Speaker 3: have that. And you know, one hundred years later they
Speaker 3: roll in say, we're going to create a federal government.
Speaker 3: We're going to bring you know, bring the colonies together,
Speaker 3: We're going to it was basically, we're going to offer
Speaker 3: you protection like a mafia, right, And less people were
Speaker 3: happy about it than the history books tell us if
Speaker 3: if you do a little research, and you know, as
Speaker 3: soon as they signed the Constitution and we became you know,
Speaker 3: seventeen eighty nine, they started taxing the heck out of
Speaker 3: people and here we are today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and something else about that too, about like the
Speaker 1: Revolutionary War, it was fascinating me. I kind of did
Speaker 1: a little research on the Battle of Team's Mountain and
Speaker 1: had Lyman Draper who was a Wisconsin Historical Society. He
Speaker 1: was just basically detailing and documenting all this stuff. But
Speaker 1: what was fascinating to me was like they needed all
Speaker 1: these these over mountain men in the Battle of King's
Speaker 1: Mountain and they and listened to like I think it
Speaker 1: was like twelve hundred men roughly, and they were basically
Speaker 1: militia or soldiers, and they were promised, you know, all
Speaker 1: these pensions and benefits, and they a lot of these
Speaker 1: men were barefooted and were literally in moccasins and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, and they went over and kind of defeated
Speaker 1: the General Ferguson on King's Mountain in South Carolina. And
Speaker 1: what was fascinating about that is that later on, like
Speaker 1: in the eighteen twenties eighteen teens, these men were trying
Speaker 1: to get pensions and it was like, now I ain't
Speaker 1: got no control of you, bro, Like we're out of money,
Speaker 1: you know, and some of these and then they were
Speaker 1: just trying to get what they were promised, you know,
Speaker 1: twenty years or thirty years beforehand, and there was nothing
Speaker 1: for them, you know. And that kind of that kind
Speaker 1: of showed me something too. You know. It's like this
Speaker 1: country is not Yeah, we don't get to learn a
Speaker 1: lot of like true history. And it's like, yeah, they'll
Speaker 1: it's all patriotism, everything's all good, and like go and
Speaker 1: list and go fip for your country, and then we're
Speaker 1: not going to give you anything when you really need it,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: So that was that was kind of a slap in
Speaker 1: the space kind of and It was kind of a
Speaker 1: wake up call, kind of when I was researching that,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Thought it was interesting THEYE had the Bonus Army, same
Speaker 3: thing world War One. They were promised stuff from World
Speaker 3: War One. They marched on in Washington to DC in
Speaker 3: nineteen thirty two because they were promised to bonus. They
Speaker 3: never got it. And all the people who went on
Speaker 3: to be big names in World War Two were the
Speaker 3: ones who were used to dispel them. Paton was one,
Speaker 3: MacArthur was another. That they they took their troops and
Speaker 3: went against world we're one veterans, and it took them
Speaker 3: another twelve years. They didn't even get there. I think
Speaker 3: they eventually got them. But I mean, could you imagine
Speaker 3: going to World War One, si into document, the government
Speaker 3: promises you something, you don't get it. So finally in
Speaker 3: thirty two they all get together. They march on DC.
Speaker 3: Sounds familiar, doesn't it? A march on DC and they
Speaker 3: arrest and kill people. Where does that that rings a bell?
Speaker 1: It sounds a little bit, sounds a little bit like
Speaker 1: January sixth.
Speaker 3: Maybe there you go, you know, and they continually proclaim
Speaker 3: that we have the First Amendment, But don't you dare
Speaker 3: show up and protest that is something. What was when
Speaker 3: you were researching f Well, I guess what was the
Speaker 3: one thing that actually got you to look into flat Earth?
Speaker 1: What I said, Man, I really, I really don't. I
Speaker 1: guess it was the moon landing. Like like I just
Speaker 1: I always kind of questioned the moonlanding.
Speaker 6: It didn't make sense to me why.
Speaker 1: Like we didn't go back, And so I guess space
Speaker 1: travel and you know, outer space like kind of coming
Speaker 1: to that realization and it's like, we don't know what's
Speaker 1: up there because we've never been up there, you know that.
Speaker 6: And I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know how that that led into flat Earth.
Speaker 1: It just just the lie of the fact that we
Speaker 1: didn't go it always kind of shot me, you know,
Speaker 1: like that seemed a little bit like the Pilgrims coming
Speaker 1: to Plymouth Rock and planting a flag and then being like, well,
Speaker 1: we'll see you and head on back to Holland and
Speaker 1: never come back. You know, like we went up there
Speaker 1: to the Moon in the nineteen sixties and we can't
Speaker 1: get back now, like but yet, but yet we're going
Speaker 1: to Mars. You know, settle up, guys, We're going to Mars.
Speaker 1: It's like we hadn't even we hadn't even stopped back
Speaker 1: at the moon yet, you know, it's like, why, why
Speaker 1: are so that kind of let it down to me,
Speaker 1: you know, And I just, I guess just to all
Speaker 1: the deception around the moon landing is what really opened
Speaker 1: my eyes to it.
Speaker 3: Did you research YouTube videos or was there certain websites
Speaker 3: that provided evidence to you that really put you over?
Speaker 1: No, And that's something that like I say, God, I
Speaker 1: think really just had a hand in it, because I
Speaker 1: just I just kind of hearing. I guess there were
Speaker 1: some videos, but I don't really have anything to point
Speaker 1: you to the fact that, like I'm sitting here, me
Speaker 1: and my buddy kind of collect a lot of historical
Speaker 1: I have a lot of national geographics from like the
Speaker 1: nineteen twenties and thirties, and I have the August eighth,
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine Live Magazine and it's the cover of
Speaker 1: the moon, you know, the moon landing. And I just
Speaker 1: always looked at those pictures, and I always looked and
Speaker 1: thought like how that was even possible, and like why
Speaker 1: we and go back? So like if I guess you've
Speaker 1: mentioned it before, I think about how we had so
Speaker 1: much little, like we didn't have as much technology back
Speaker 1: then as we do now. Like we the computer that
Speaker 1: that we're talking on is literally it fits in our pocket.
Speaker 1: Yet Neil Armstrong would say that, you know, it took
Speaker 1: a room, a giant room full of computers to do
Speaker 1: what they did or something like that. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 8: And it's just always kind of what what I guess, Yeah,
Speaker 8: like some movies and some some YouTube things like videos
Speaker 8: and stuff that I can't really point you to anything
Speaker 8: that other than the.
Speaker 1: Pictures that were given in school, other than just thinking
Speaker 1: to myself that it was impossible in a sense and
Speaker 1: that we never went back, you know, like that that
Speaker 1: was my biggest sticking point.
Speaker 3: Really when you were in school and the concept of
Speaker 3: the globe was presented to you as a student, was
Speaker 3: that something you ever were like, hmm, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: No, I I kind of I probably just accepted that.
Speaker 1: I just I didn't. I mean I always had like
Speaker 1: things that I wondered about, like comparing it to the Bible.
Speaker 1: That always kind of kind of like I was wondering
Speaker 1: where God was at you know, it's like was in
Speaker 1: space or where how did how does this work? In relationships?
Speaker 1: Like I said, I grew up in just a Baptist
Speaker 1: church down here in the South, and I mean it's
Speaker 1: never talked about in our churches or anything like that,
Speaker 1: and and I wondered about how it all worked, and
Speaker 1: so there was those questions around that. But no, I
Speaker 1: mean nothing really that I can point you to specifically
Speaker 1: that you know, as far as like the globe or
Speaker 1: anything like that. I guess I just accepted it is
Speaker 1: for what I was taught.
Speaker 3: You know, have you have you ever had this conversation
Speaker 3: with a fellow church member.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean yeah, but fellow church members being like
Speaker 1: my my, my dad and my brothers and stuff, and
Speaker 1: we're all kind of my dad, don't you know, he
Speaker 1: don't think it matters one way or the other. And uh,
Speaker 1: my my brothers were all kind of on the same page.
Speaker 1: But not as far as outside of my family, No,
Speaker 1: I haven't really, you know, my wife and and.
Speaker 6: Some some friends.
Speaker 1: I have a my friend that I'm telling you about
Speaker 1: that we collect historical stuff, uh that War two Memorabilian stuff.
Speaker 1: He's actually a I don't know what you call, like
Speaker 1: a small single engine pilot or whatever you call that.
Speaker 1: My assistance around stuff I've mentioned him, and I got
Speaker 1: a little bit of raised eyebrows from him, you know,
Speaker 1: But I did make him think about like the moon
Speaker 1: landing and all that other stuff. But he's he's kind
Speaker 1: of sold on this aviation, and I think it's a
Speaker 1: hard circle to break out of. I think it is
Speaker 1: in some people.
Speaker 3: It is. You know, for me, it's been easier since
Speaker 3: I've turned off the television. I mean, I'll still go
Speaker 3: back and watch a movie or something. But the biggest medicine,
Speaker 3: I guess, the best elixir that I've had for my
Speaker 3: brain was to stop watching the news because back in
Speaker 3: the you know, the teens, the twenty fifteens and sixteens,
Speaker 3: especially when it was Clinton and Trump, you know, the
Speaker 3: most evil, vile woman in the world, and Trump was
Speaker 3: going to be our hero. I mean, I was consuming
Speaker 3: Fox News all day and all night. And I had
Speaker 3: a small bit. I had a retail store, I was
Speaker 3: working seventy hours a week, so I always had that
Speaker 3: on watching and you know, we were hoping and praying
Speaker 3: that he was going to save the world. But by
Speaker 3: turning off the news, I can't begin to tell people
Speaker 3: how much clearer the mind becomes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to agree with that man, like I
Speaker 1: kind of the same way. I well, I'll just say,
Speaker 1: like around twenty twelve, you know, Brock Obama and all that,
Speaker 1: I got real scared about the Second Amendment, you know,
Speaker 1: like I was telling you, kind of just hearing more
Speaker 1: in politics and stuff like that. Was just had my son,
Speaker 1: and so I was kind of getting concerned about his future.
Speaker 1: And because I didn't pay attention, I didn't care one
Speaker 1: way or the other as far as politics goes. Before that, really,
Speaker 1: I just you know, like I said, I was kind
Speaker 1: of I was patriotic. I hated what happened to our
Speaker 1: country on September eleventh, but like I didn't care about politics.
Speaker 1: I didn't even vote. But like when my wife got pregnant,
Speaker 1: and uh, I in twenty eleven, twenty twelve, I think
Speaker 1: that was the first election I ever participated in was
Speaker 1: Barack Obama. You know, it was coming out like he's
Speaker 1: against guns, he's against all this kind of stuff, and
Speaker 1: that kind of got me more into politics. And then
Speaker 1: started listening to people like Russe Limbaugh and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And then you know, twenty fifteen, you know, I was
Speaker 1: all red, white and blue and got to stop, Like
Speaker 1: you said, stop, Hillary and and getting let myself get
Speaker 1: worked up with all this politics and uh and.
Speaker 6: All that, and it just then.
Speaker 1: He got in there and I was glad and everything,
Speaker 1: and he just I don't understand why he didn't like
Speaker 1: to repeal the NFA or the ATF or build a
Speaker 1: wall or so that kind of sent me down, you know.
Speaker 1: I started kind of thinking, like, what the heck, just
Speaker 1: why didn't he just do this when he had the time.
Speaker 1: And and then really, like I said, Afghanistan withdraw.
Speaker 6: But I guess going back.
Speaker 1: Before that, it was the election of Joe Biden. I mean,
Speaker 1: here's eighty one million votes for a man that cannot
Speaker 1: even spell his own name. I mean, like he don't
Speaker 1: know where he's at, and he don't and it's like
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, uh, it's flat, theres is flat.
Speaker 6: Everything's fake.
Speaker 1: You know though, that that was just my kind of
Speaker 1: where it comes from.
Speaker 6: I guess if.
Speaker 3: We could get if we could break the matrix and
Speaker 3: put proof out there and get people to believe that,
Speaker 3: you know, in biblical cosmology and that heliocentrism is a lie,
Speaker 3: what kind of lasting effects do you think that would
Speaker 3: have on this world?
Speaker 1: Well, first, I think that that would probably like completely
Speaker 1: and utterly destroyed, like all I mean breaking the matrix.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that that's in itself, that's what
Speaker 1: you're talking about. But it will destroy like all major
Speaker 1: governments and ruling elites, I guess you would say, uh,
Speaker 1: and which I think would probably be a good thing.
Speaker 1: Not that I am not advocating for anything like that.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, I think that that's what breaking
Speaker 1: the matrix will do, and I think that we would.
Speaker 1: I think that that's probably where like.
Speaker 6: Having the freedom and liberty.
Speaker 1: To just live and exist and like doing away with
Speaker 1: like you're talking about the pharmaceutical companies and and like
Speaker 1: the these higher educations that kind of keep us boxed in. Uh.
Speaker 1: Like I think that that's where we would start developing
Speaker 1: free energy or you know, and start building like cathedrals again,
Speaker 1: and you know, like beauty and peace would probably raining
Speaker 1: I guess for a little while. But I don't think
Speaker 1: that that's ever going to happen. But I kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of think that that that may
Speaker 1: have been where some of these cathedrals and some of
Speaker 1: these large buildings kind of come from, is a time
Speaker 1: when we didn't have when we were trusting in God
Speaker 1: more than we were trusting in h in governments and
Speaker 1: this false education that we've learned. So I don't know
Speaker 1: if I answered your question or not, but like.
Speaker 3: No, you're spot on one hundred percent. And you mentioned freedom,
Speaker 3: and I wrote in my in my article that people
Speaker 3: demand freedom, people call for freedom, but I'm not one
Speaker 3: hundred percent sure that that people understand that it's actually
Speaker 3: a burden, not not to have everything handed to you.
Speaker 3: And I think if people they're a lot of people
Speaker 3: who say I want freedom, but they want government to
Speaker 3: run the same way it's running now. I don't think
Speaker 3: people quite understand that freedom is a burden. And then
Speaker 3: you know, people say they have t shirts, they wear
Speaker 3: the hats that say freedom isn't free, But I don't
Speaker 3: think that they understand the involvement and how it would
Speaker 3: have to bring back community. And that's the way things
Speaker 3: were meant to be. You know, everything was tribal back
Speaker 3: in the day, and communities took care of each other.
Speaker 3: They didn't rely on governments right to provide their income
Speaker 3: when they turned sixty five, they didn't want their government
Speaker 3: to be involved in their health care, and they most
Speaker 3: certainly didn't want their government to be involved in the
Speaker 3: teachings of their history and education system, which is again
Speaker 3: going back to the Puritans. Everything was biblically based. I
Speaker 3: can assure you they didn't teach helio Centrism because those
Speaker 3: the folks that left Britain were Protestants. And what is
Speaker 3: a Protestant someone who protests Catholicisms, right, people who were
Speaker 3: influenced by Martin Luther, and Martin Luther couldn't stand Copernicus.
Speaker 3: He loathed his thinkings and heliocentrism. So that is one
Speaker 3: of the reasons why they had to hijack education and
Speaker 3: run with it. They had to control the narrative.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's something too. I mean, it's I don't know,
Speaker 1: the very thankful. I probably haven't mentioned it, just rambling around.
Speaker 1: But I'm out of debt, I don't have any i
Speaker 1: don't have any far payments, don't have a house payment.
Speaker 1: I'm very thankful. I'm all glory to God in that.
Speaker 1: But like you said, there's still it's a it's a responsibility.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've only got like, I've only got almost
Speaker 1: three acres and like I said, just a few chickens,
Speaker 1: and we we all my wife and I drive older vehicles.
Speaker 1: And I mean, like it's work to you know, maintain
Speaker 1: everything you have. And and uh like we're homeschooling our
Speaker 1: children right now. You know. Uh we pulled our children
Speaker 1: out of the public education.
Speaker 6: Even though even though my wife say.
Speaker 1: She's a teacher. Uh we she she teaches early childhood education,
Speaker 1: uh K through five and uh but we I quit
Speaker 1: my job at the at the water Authority, and I
Speaker 1: just started doing tax narmy, just a little side thing,
Speaker 1: but like just trying to make my own money, trying
Speaker 1: to trying to break away from Babylon, you know, and
Speaker 1: uh and have freedom and and and be more responsible
Speaker 1: for my own self, you know. And like you said,
Speaker 1: it's people want to talk a good, good game about
Speaker 1: freedom and liberty and everything, but then they want to
Speaker 1: go and saddle theirselfs with like an eighty thousand dollars
Speaker 1: truck and five hundred thousand dollars home. And and it's
Speaker 1: like you're pretty much at that point. I think most
Speaker 1: people are going to do whatever they're told to do
Speaker 1: in order to maintain that lifestyle. You know, because it's
Speaker 1: a new truck man, It's it's it's cool looking you know,
Speaker 1: and and it's my house is it's everything's that I
Speaker 1: hooked up to my phone and I can unlock my
Speaker 1: door from California and all this kind of stuff, you know.
Speaker 1: And I just think that that kind of, like I said,
Speaker 1: all that's brought on by media and education and people
Speaker 1: striving for worldly pleasures and not striving for what God
Speaker 1: I believe, intending for us to be. So we're meant
Speaker 1: to labor in the fields by the sweat of our brow,
Speaker 1: we're supposed to eat. And what do we do nowadays?
Speaker 1: Men are They strive their very hardest to put themselves
Speaker 1: in an air conditioned office and not lift a finger,
Speaker 1: you know, and get a college edge, cas and and
Speaker 1: so we're almost right off the jump. We're trying to
Speaker 1: do away with what God told us was our curse
Speaker 1: after we got kicked out of the garden, you know.
Speaker 1: And I think it's evident that that's the wrong thing,
Speaker 1: because it just seems like more people gain in this world,
Speaker 1: the the less happier they are. You know, some of
Speaker 1: the high suicide rates are wealthy white men, you know,
Speaker 1: with it seems like they have so much, so much
Speaker 1: to lose or whatever, and it just they work so
Speaker 1: hard to get these positions of this worldly fame, and
Speaker 1: it does the exact opposite of what we're told that
Speaker 1: it's gonna. It's not happiness, it's not taking care.
Speaker 6: Of your family as well.
Speaker 1: You know, you get these positions and you're just it
Speaker 1: just destroys you in a sense. It seems like, so
Speaker 1: I think we're being we're meant to be pulling in
Speaker 1: the field in a sense, you know, Fox, what of
Speaker 1: our brow we're supposed to be doing this, be living.
Speaker 1: So I'm sorry for got off on a tangent there again.
Speaker 3: No, not at all. You made great points, and that
Speaker 3: everything you just described is because of the way we
Speaker 3: define successful man successful person. Right that you drive by,
Speaker 3: like you said, a five hundred thousand dollars house with
Speaker 3: a brand new twenty twenty five f one fifty and
Speaker 3: the driveway, and we're that is a successful man. But
Speaker 3: then on the other hand, you have someone who is
Speaker 3: debt free, who lives on a few wakers and educates
Speaker 3: his children and you know, provides a lot of his food. Naturally,
Speaker 3: that is by all means a successful man. You know,
Speaker 3: being the top salesman of twenty twenty four, you know,
Speaker 3: hats off to you and shake the hand. But that
Speaker 3: doesn't you know, money and the Bible tells us this
Speaker 3: a nauseam you know. Money, Uh, it is simply just
Speaker 3: something to barter with, it really is. And if we
Speaker 3: hoard something like that, it could be money, it can
Speaker 3: be gold, it could be silver if we take our
Speaker 3: eye away from the prize. And that is simply to
Speaker 3: you know, raise children so they can go off and
Speaker 3: you know, continue in God's manner. That is the true
Speaker 3: goal that we all should be aiming for and not
Speaker 3: be so you know, buried to our next in worldly
Speaker 3: things like we do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I mean that's just something that you know.
Speaker 6: Back here in COVID, some of the greatest.
Speaker 1: Times that I would not take a million dollars for
Speaker 1: uh live my wife and my two kids were we
Speaker 1: would literally go to like my parents we have we
Speaker 1: have garden, little garden patches everywhere and uh and at
Speaker 1: my house here we would have we'd be working in
Speaker 1: the garden together, you know, we would be all from
Speaker 1: work and uh just that was the happiest time in
Speaker 1: my life, almost working with my children in the soul
Speaker 1: you know, hot, sweaty bugs. I don't know, if you've ever,
Speaker 1: like I said, I don't know if you've ever been
Speaker 1: down here in the south man, but it's uh, we
Speaker 1: we we can have some pretty hillacious weather, you know,
Speaker 1: pa some some heats and some bugs. But even still,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't take a million dollars for being with my
Speaker 1: wife and my children working for for some potatoes and
Speaker 1: some corn and you know, stuff like that.
Speaker 6: It was it was awesome.
Speaker 1: And it kind of that kind of tore a veil
Speaker 1: from my eyes as well, because it's like, uh, like
Speaker 1: we were providing everything for ourselves and we were extremely happy.
Speaker 1: But it's like and it's free, and it's like, I think,
Speaker 1: like we talked about it, kind of that's what God
Speaker 1: kind of intended for us to do. And that's where
Speaker 1: we're I think we find the most peace at And
Speaker 1: yet you know, we we have to fight and fall
Speaker 1: and struggle to just kind of keep us some air
Speaker 1: conditioning and keep us you know, a nice struck out
Speaker 1: in the driveway and stuff like that. And it and
Speaker 1: it's like, why are we really fighting for this kind
Speaker 1: of stuff? Why are why is it so important when
Speaker 1: really the most important thing is is your your children,
Speaker 1: your your faith and Christ and and like your your
Speaker 1: wife and your your family. I'll just say, and like
Speaker 1: it was just some of the greatest times of my life.
Speaker 1: And it kind of opened my eyes to just what's
Speaker 1: really important, you know, in this life. And it was
Speaker 1: just fascinating to me. While at the same time, you know,
Speaker 1: it was just kind of scary what they were doing
Speaker 1: to all the world. You know, everybody was at home.
Speaker 1: But it was really I think that I think that
Speaker 1: you I've heard you mentioned too that like they overplayed
Speaker 1: their hand. I think they did, But like I said,
Speaker 1: I don't make that they ever intend.
Speaker 6: God as his will have his way.
Speaker 1: And I think God revealed to me, you know that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 6: Crazy all this stuff that.
Speaker 1: Happened, but it will be okay, and like he will
Speaker 1: wake the people up that he wants.
Speaker 6: To wake up and he will help you.
Speaker 1: Really just got to put all your faith.
Speaker 6: In him, you know.
Speaker 3: So anyway, Amen, well said, is there anything else that
Speaker 3: I had? Oh, yeah, a job one of the other
Speaker 3: things that you had mentioned as far as flat Earth.
Speaker 3: What was important to what God spoke to Job and
Speaker 3: asked where he was when he set Earth on its foundation.
Speaker 3: And you know, for me, the two big ones obviously,
Speaker 3: like you mentioned Job thirty eight four where wast thou
Speaker 3: when I laid the foundations of the Earth. Uh, and
Speaker 3: then of course the same Joe, uh, fourteen thirty eight
Speaker 3: fourteen Uh, the earth takes the shape lake clay under
Speaker 3: a seal.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's just that's something that always kind of
Speaker 1: just reading that, it almost like gives me so much
Speaker 1: peace now to read that and feel that. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's so peaceful, you know. Uh. And then going
Speaker 1: back another proof I have written down here that that
Speaker 1: I love is Genesis six through eight. I don't have it,
Speaker 1: I can't quote it, but it's just the firmament, you know,
Speaker 1: stepping the separating the waters from below and above, you know,
Speaker 1: and hanging it in the sky.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: To me that that it's I think that those stars
Speaker 1: and luminaries, whatever you gonna call them, they're they're hanging
Speaker 1: in the firmament, they're in the waters above. And then
Speaker 1: during the flood, Noah's flood, I mean it, it literally
Speaker 1: says that he opens the sky like I think he
Speaker 1: rolls back to furmait or he opens the furnament of
Speaker 1: heaven and pours out water.
Speaker 6: So I just think that.
Speaker 1: That that's another big proof for me one of my
Speaker 1: one of my silver bullets, I would.
Speaker 3: Say completely agree. Is there anything else that you had
Speaker 3: noted that we hadn't covered as of yet?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I had some things about Lewis and Clark,
Speaker 1: But I also I wanted to ask your opinion about, uh,
Speaker 1: do you think that there is any extra like even
Speaker 1: I know the first not a globe, but like even
Speaker 1: like as in our modern world, do you think that
Speaker 1: there is a possibility of extra land like just say
Speaker 1: in the Pacific Ocean or the Atlantic Ocean that would
Speaker 1: be completely hidden due to like shipping lanes and historical
Speaker 1: uh like trade winds. Do you think that there's any
Speaker 1: possibility of that, like, Because the reason I wanted to
Speaker 1: bring this up is it just seems like all of
Speaker 1: early travel exploration was all sanctioned by kings. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I just I just wonder if like there could be
Speaker 1: say continents or islands the size of like to say
Speaker 1: Japan or or maybe even like Australia in places that
Speaker 1: we would never see because if if there if government
Speaker 1: like world governments basically control shipping lanes, that control flight paths,
Speaker 1: like and they're strictly followed, you know, like it's important
Speaker 1: if you're going, you know, from California to Hawaii or whatever,
Speaker 1: from Hawaii to Japan, like you have to stay on
Speaker 1: these shipping lanes or else you will run out of fuel.
Speaker 1: You will you know, you'll be lost at sea, and
Speaker 1: nobody will know where to look for you, because it's
Speaker 1: just a huge area. And I just just wonder if
Speaker 1: there's any way that that could be possible, you know,
Speaker 1: in it, or if that's just a crazy theory that
Speaker 1: I've kind of come up with on my own.
Speaker 3: No, I agree one hundred percent, and I've actually said
Speaker 3: before that I tend not to think that there's land
Speaker 3: beyond the ice wall. However, I do believe that there
Speaker 3: is probably smaller lands that we aren't taught of, probably
Speaker 3: in the Pacific, one between South America and Australia. But
Speaker 3: also I think there's a good chance if you look
Speaker 3: down between Australia and say South Africa, there's a large
Speaker 3: body of water there as well that just according to
Speaker 3: our maps, are completely empty. But I believe that the
Speaker 3: Pacific is too big when looking at a map, I
Speaker 3: tend to believe that somewhere south of the Tropic of
Speaker 3: Capricorn between Argentina, you know, west of Argentina east of Australia.
Speaker 3: There probably is land that we're not taught of.
Speaker 1: That's that's because I was thinking about it.
Speaker 6: You know, man, it's a if they.
Speaker 1: Were to even in our modern time, like they control satellites,
Speaker 1: they control all the images that we're able to see,
Speaker 1: or satalloons, whatever you wanna call them. But like I said,
Speaker 1: I mean, you my friend that's a pilot, like he
Speaker 1: has to I mean, just flying from a county airport
Speaker 1: here in North Georgia to another one. You know, it's
Speaker 1: like you have to have a strict you know, if
Speaker 1: I'm flying at this altitude at this time, at this fast,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to this location, and I mean I
Speaker 1: can only imagine for like say, large commercial aircraft's same way,
Speaker 1: large freighters and container ships it's the same way, and
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. It's all strictly, highly governed and mandated,
Speaker 1: and and we just don't think anything about it, you know,
Speaker 1: we don't. We don't. We just assume that that's just well,
Speaker 1: Christopher Columbus come over here, and he knows, you know,
Speaker 1: so we got to stick on this path right here,
Speaker 1: not that I'm saying that I believe in Christopher narrative, right,
Speaker 1: but it just it makes sense to me that like
Speaker 1: we could be you could be flying in a commercial
Speaker 1: airline for the last fifty years and people would never
Speaker 1: if you were. You know, if there's one thousand miles
Speaker 1: on either side.
Speaker 6: Of it, you would never know.
Speaker 1: If there's a continent the size of or an island,
Speaker 1: say the size of Japan or New Zealand or even
Speaker 1: Australia that may be completely uninhabited or just be a
Speaker 1: resort for some of these wealthy elite members of society.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean that that they kind of
Speaker 1: keep to theirselves.
Speaker 3: Absolutely and a place where they can live and not
Speaker 3: have to worry about the laws, you know, that they
Speaker 3: can live in their evil ways on these small lands.
Speaker 3: I one hundred percent believe that. And you know, speaking
Speaker 3: of exploration and things of that nature, you did mention
Speaker 3: before we hit the record button a little bit about
Speaker 3: the Lewis and Clark expedition. If you wanted to share that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just I really got interested, like I do
Speaker 1: trapping and stuff like that. Like I said, I was
Speaker 1: just interested in early American mountain Man era type stuff.
Speaker 1: The fur trade era, and where do you go to
Speaker 1: learn all that stuff? Well, most of it was Lewis
Speaker 1: and Clark expedition. That was it was happened in eighteen
Speaker 1: oh four. What really, I went out and perched. I
Speaker 1: wanted to get first the first hand account, Like I
Speaker 1: didn't want any kind of reproductions or anything or anything
Speaker 1: that has been tampered with by or or anything by.
Speaker 1: So I tried to get as close as I could
Speaker 1: get and to the original journals. And the one that
Speaker 1: I found was Reuben Gold the Watts published in nineteen
Speaker 1: oh four. It was the one hundred year anniversary and
Speaker 1: it's a volume of like eight books, and I read
Speaker 1: every detail of it, and it's very like Mundane and
Speaker 1: and you know, went two miles up the river this way,
Speaker 1: it had a been to the southeast.
Speaker 6: Blah blah blah. You know it was.
Speaker 1: It's very painstaking linked kind of to read, and I
Speaker 1: think that that's why so many modern conceptions of it
Speaker 1: kind of shortened down.
Speaker 6: And make it more readable.
Speaker 1: But I did find something in between that that I
Speaker 1: in between reading and at one place, just a little
Speaker 1: nondescript place and around I believe it was Springfield, South
Speaker 1: Dakota in September second of eighteen oh four. They described
Speaker 1: in great detail, or Meriwether Lewis describes in great detail
Speaker 1: ancient what he calls ancient fortification, so like an earthen
Speaker 1: structure that is like hundreds of yards long, very straight lines,
Speaker 1: very precise angles. Walls were you know, sometimes as high
Speaker 1: as six feet to eight feet on one side, and
Speaker 1: I think like fifteen to fifteen feet all the way
Speaker 1: down on the other side. And he goes in to
Speaker 1: great detail about this and laying it out, plotting it out, drawing.
Speaker 1: There's a detailed drawing in this book, and they're in
Speaker 1: this one particular part of the journal, and he all,
Speaker 1: like I said, there's about three pages of this description
Speaker 1: of this, and then the editors know at the bottom says, well,
Speaker 1: we now know that this is just a natural occurring
Speaker 1: sand wash due to the erosion of the river. That
Speaker 1: kind of struck me as a little bit odd. So
Speaker 1: I kind of just started doing some research. I got
Speaker 1: on Google and I was like, well, where was Lewis
Speaker 1: and Clark on September second, eighteen oh four, And it
Speaker 1: wouldn't pull anything up. I kind of had to dig
Speaker 1: and then I typed it in another way and it
Speaker 1: wouldn't pull it up. And I typed in like ancient
Speaker 1: fortification described by Lewis and Clark, and it kind of
Speaker 1: redirected me to something that didn't even make any sense.
Speaker 1: It was talking about when they were out in Fort Klatsup,
Speaker 1: which was all the way when they made their original
Speaker 1: encampment on the Pacific coast on the Columbia River, and
Speaker 1: that didn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 6: It wasn't pulling up any.
Speaker 1: And normally, you know, I can google where they were
Speaker 1: at Fort Mandan or you know what they were doing.
Speaker 6: It's very well documented, and it would pull it up well.
Speaker 6: Finally found I found.
Speaker 1: Something I tapped very specifically in and it said that
Speaker 1: that's how I found out that it was in Springfield,
Speaker 1: South Dakota, and I just it said that that the
Speaker 1: AI generated Google assistant or whatever said that this they
Speaker 1: were near Springfield, South Dakota, and they misidentified of what
Speaker 1: they thought was ancient fortifications, but we now know that
Speaker 1: it was just sand washes, and that was a little
Speaker 1: bit odd to me. What struck me as odd was
Speaker 1: that these were military men, and these were very at
Speaker 1: this point they had been about a thousand or fifteen
Speaker 1: hundred miles on that river, like literally walking or sailing
Speaker 1: every square inch of and documenting every structure land mass.
Speaker 1: They very detailed descriptions of the bends of the river,
Speaker 1: the washes, the erosion, the soil makeup. But yet when
Speaker 1: they come to this one place, it's just a sandwashing
Speaker 1: and they misidentified it. That didn't make any sense to
Speaker 1: me whatsoever, because they would have known what they were
Speaker 1: talking about. And so then I got to just I
Speaker 1: went to Google Earth, Google Maps, and I went to
Speaker 1: kind of look at some of the places on the river,
Speaker 1: and I noticed that there was a large lake there,
Speaker 1: and it's on the actual river itself. It's a twenty
Speaker 1: five mile long lake, has ninety miles the shoreline covers
Speaker 1: like thirty two thousand acres, and it was built at
Speaker 1: the height of the Second World War in nineteen forty four,
Speaker 1: which to me sounded a little bit like a It
Speaker 1: just sounded like, I don't know why they would have
Speaker 1: done that at that time when it cost fifty million
Speaker 1: dollars or whatever to do in so much manpower. It
Speaker 1: just didn't It seems to me like it was kind
Speaker 1: of a cover up. It just seems of some kind
Speaker 1: of ancient technology or ancient structure that we're not meant
Speaker 1: to see. And also they found a giant fish is
Speaker 1: what they call it. They found a giant fish bone,
Speaker 1: backbone that measured forty five feet long, and found various
Speaker 1: different sides of the teeth right at the same location,
Speaker 1: within a mile or so of the same location. So
Speaker 1: it was just.
Speaker 6: Something interesting that I found.
Speaker 1: And now that there's a there's a large lake that
Speaker 1: just you know, they built in the middle of the
Speaker 1: Second World War, it just struck me as a little
Speaker 1: bit odd.
Speaker 3: That is interesting. And they found, like you said, fishbones
Speaker 3: forty five feet long or whatever in the middle of
Speaker 3: the country. That's something that maybe you would you would
Speaker 3: accept if you found it on one of the coasts,
Speaker 3: you know, the Pacific coast or the Eastern coast, But
Speaker 3: to be right in the middle of the country. And
Speaker 3: one thing you have to remember when you research the
Speaker 3: people who were involved in these stories, Meriwether Lewis was
Speaker 3: part of the club. He was actually one of the
Speaker 3: I don't remember if he was in I think he
Speaker 3: was an officer, but he was part of the military
Speaker 3: who put down We just talked. It's funny when you
Speaker 3: talk about this the Whiskey Rebellion. He was part of
Speaker 3: the Virginia militia that was sent to put down the
Speaker 3: Whiskey Rebellion. And he also is part of the club
Speaker 3: as far as the what is the name the Philadelphia Society,
Speaker 3: which has the same people involved like Louis Pasture, Charles Darwin,
Speaker 3: all the people who you know, push these false narratives.
Speaker 3: He's part of that club. So it's interesting to me.
Speaker 3: It wouldn't surprise me a bit if he was covering
Speaker 3: up the true meaning of everything you were talking about, right,
Speaker 3: what really was there in South Dakota.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it kind of and this is going to
Speaker 1: sound a little bit crazy, but we were reading, we
Speaker 1: read my kids the like the what is It? The
Speaker 1: Little House on.
Speaker 6: Praier books and later.
Speaker 1: You know, Little House in Prairie has like several written
Speaker 1: by Laura Angels Wilder in like the eighteen seventies. I
Speaker 1: believe that its depicting life in the eighteen seventies and eighties.
Speaker 1: And there was just one little mention later in life.
Speaker 1: She was one of her journals that talks about they
Speaker 1: were leaving that dismant South Dakota and they go through Omaha, Nebraska,
Speaker 1: or they don't, but one of their relatives do and
Speaker 1: they meet them on their little journey or whatever. They
Speaker 1: talked about. They just mentioned the Capitol Building. I just
Speaker 1: kind of think that there was some the Capitol Building
Speaker 1: in Omaha. If you're not aware, it's like it's fascinating.
Speaker 1: It's a huge building and just like most of all
Speaker 1: of our capitol buildings. And I just I wonder so
Speaker 1: much about like hidden history or like what was here
Speaker 1: before us. And I don't know, I don't know. I've
Speaker 1: heard you mentioned like timelines and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: I don't know where we're at as far as time goes,
Speaker 1: but I do think something with these capitol buildings and
Speaker 1: some of these structures that were like the Indian mounds
Speaker 1: all throughout the country, like the Serpent Mounds and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, I believe they're in no iiO. I'm not sure. Uh.
Speaker 1: There's just so much of our history that like, like
Speaker 1: I kind of start to think that like the Lewis
Speaker 1: and Clark expedition. I wonder how many like Lewis and
Speaker 1: Clark expeditions, if you will, that we don't get to
Speaker 1: hear about.
Speaker 6: And that's kind of where.
Speaker 1: I was wondering going with like more Land ye out
Speaker 1: in the Pacific is like I wonder how many of
Speaker 1: these expeditions that we're not told about because they found
Speaker 1: out things that we're not to know.
Speaker 6: If that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I couldn't agree with you more. I believe
Speaker 3: that there.
Speaker 1: There's so much in like, uh, there's so much in
Speaker 1: this journal that I have here. I don't know what
Speaker 1: you call it, but it's there's so many letters to Congress.
Speaker 1: But this was a clandestine operation, like everybody thinks in
Speaker 1: history clash, you're told that, oh we had the losing
Speaker 1: of Versus in eighteen oh three, and then Lewis and
Speaker 1: Clark set out and went up to map Offist country.
Speaker 1: That could not be further from the truth. It was
Speaker 1: a it was they were interested in going up the
Speaker 1: Missouri in like the seventeen eighties. They sent they hired
Speaker 1: like a double agent that they didn't know was a
Speaker 1: double agent. They were going to try to send like
Speaker 1: one or two men at a time to go up
Speaker 1: here and like explore. Because it was such a clandestine operation,
Speaker 1: it was owned by France, there was some Spanish influence
Speaker 1: that they might were worried about. They were instructed not
Speaker 1: to take any written beforehand, like Lewis and Clark were
Speaker 1: told in like the seventeen nineties or seventeen like ninety nine.
Speaker 1: They were talking about this and they were like, no,
Speaker 1: you can't take any written orders. This is strictly scientific.
Speaker 1: There's no military, ain't there's no like you know, and
Speaker 1: and it was just a clandex there's secret letters to Congress.
Speaker 1: And I've heard you mentioned a lot about the what
Speaker 1: is it the American Philosophical Society.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly what I was trying to mention earlier
Speaker 3: with Lewis and Clark. That's exactly what it is, the
Speaker 3: American Philosophical Society. It was in Philadelphia, Yeah, there was.
Speaker 1: There's there's several mentions and I have them kind of
Speaker 1: noted down or they're just like where Thomas Jefferson is
Speaker 1: like taking money from like George Washington and Alexander Hamilton
Speaker 1: or something, and people like that, like twenty five dollars
Speaker 1: to the American Philosophical Society. Like how they're in talks
Speaker 1: with other with Congress, secret letters to Congress, you know
Speaker 1: about this whole endeavor.
Speaker 6: And it's just stuff that we're never told, we're never
Speaker 6: taught and like and.
Speaker 1: It's just like I said, it was fascinating to me
Speaker 1: to the kind of and I'm glad that I purchased it.
Speaker 1: And when I purchased, it's been about twelve years ago.
Speaker 6: I think it was like very expensive for me. At
Speaker 6: the time, it was like.
Speaker 1: One hundred and fifty dollars or something, and that's the
Speaker 1: time we didn't have any kind of money for that.
Speaker 1: But interestingly enough, now the same set of books is
Speaker 1: like four hundred it's five hundred dollars to purchase the
Speaker 1: this you know, set of this information. It's almost like
Speaker 1: I think I've heard you or some of your guests
Speaker 1: mentioning as well that you know, they really are good
Speaker 1: at like they'll give you this information, but you're going
Speaker 1: to have to pay for it, basically, like it's not
Speaker 1: going to be cheap. And I think that that's kind
Speaker 1: of how they keep people from ascertaining it.
Speaker 3: Yep, in a sense, a lot of the knowledge that
Speaker 3: I think would answer a lot of the questions. Those
Speaker 3: books were written in the eighteenth and nineteenth century, and
Speaker 3: in order to buy some of these you have to
Speaker 3: go on eBay, and they're they're expensive. They're they're extremely expensive.
Speaker 3: Like there's encyclopedia, I forget what year it is, but
Speaker 3: it specifically mentions the firmament and its height at a
Speaker 3: certain latitude of like thirteen thousand feet.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Ah, So that was just something interesting that I
Speaker 1: found about the whole expedition, and it just kind of
Speaker 1: it again, it just on another veil, kind of come
Speaker 1: down from my eyes, like I don't know where we're
Speaker 1: at in time, but it almost seemed like instead of exploration,
Speaker 1: which is what they were doing, it's almost like they
Speaker 1: could have been doing they were doing something else, and
Speaker 1: it would have been so easy to cover it up,
Speaker 1: you know, like you said, like rediscovering ancient technology or
Speaker 1: or ancient architecture or whatever you wanna call it. So
Speaker 1: it was interesting for me to find out there's another
Speaker 1: gentleman that I was kind of interested. If you'd ever
Speaker 1: heard of, or if you've ever done a podcast on,
Speaker 1: was Lincoln Ellsworth, who who was supposed to do like Antarctic.
Speaker 1: He did an Antarctic expedition and like nineteen from nineteen
Speaker 1: twenty five to nineteen thirty six, has he ever come
Speaker 1: on your radar?
Speaker 6: By chance?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: The name is familiar, but I'm not sure I've actually
Speaker 3: taken the time to research his work. And he was
Speaker 3: a Yelle guy too, which is interesting. They have a
Speaker 3: lot of secret societies there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he hung the old I got pictures in a
Speaker 1: nineteen July nineteen thirty six National Geographic where he wrote
Speaker 1: an article and he's planted the Yell flag. I thought
Speaker 1: that that was down there supposedly an Antarctica and flew
Speaker 1: a plane and stuff like that across Antarctica in a
Speaker 1: squirrel skin PARKA. So I don't know. It was just
Speaker 1: interesting and I just I don't believe it whatsoever. Really,
Speaker 1: But he received the Hubbard ward UH Medal Hubbard Medal
Speaker 1: by Franklin Delano Roosevelt or whatever. Really, Yes, I don't
Speaker 1: know what the Hubbard award. Have you ever heard of that?
Speaker 1: It was like for extraordinary achievements.
Speaker 3: No, he said he was awarded a Congressional Gold Medal
Speaker 3: uh And then he was given the Hubbard Gold Medal.
Speaker 3: Apparently it's given from the National Geographic Society.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, and that that National Geographic is kind of
Speaker 1: interesting too. Man. It's the board of trustees on there
Speaker 1: is like the General John J.
Speaker 6: Pershon.
Speaker 1: Now, this is like I said in nineteen thirty six,
Speaker 1: John Pershing otis Smith like there it's a there's like
Speaker 1: twenty people that are like presidents.
Speaker 6: I don't know. I think that that. I think that
Speaker 6: that's another one of those tools of propaganda that they
Speaker 6: use to cover.
Speaker 1: The wool over our eyes.
Speaker 3: Yep, that they they they preached Moonland, that they preached
Speaker 3: the history that we are taught. They rein force it.
Speaker 3: And if you look who runs it now, it's the
Speaker 3: Case family. They're the ones who read that was the
Speaker 3: founded America Online. So another wealthy family is running the
Speaker 3: history narrative.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it says in parenthes here it says organized for
Speaker 1: the Increase and Diffusion of geographic knowledge on the first
Speaker 1: first cover. And I think that's you know, I think
Speaker 1: that while they have that in quotes, I think it's
Speaker 1: like I think that's like the slot of hand. Maybe
Speaker 1: you know, it's like we're going to like you you've
Speaker 1: talked about on your podcast before, like the this we
Speaker 1: call that not subversion where they where Satan like flips.
Speaker 3: Everything, yea, inverts everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, And I think that that's kind of I
Speaker 1: think that that's what they did with this is they
Speaker 1: just kind of reverse all of our education and just
Speaker 1: to subvert God.
Speaker 3: By the way, do you know how many Board of
Speaker 3: trustees or on the National Geographic Society.
Speaker 6: Like at present or at this time?
Speaker 3: Well, it reads as of now, but it's a number
Speaker 3: that is very It should pop out when people's mind
Speaker 3: if they hear the number I have, it's gonna be
Speaker 3: thirty three.
Speaker 1: Thirty three, I'm gonna six and I don't have time
Speaker 1: to count, but I would assume that it's thirty three.
Speaker 3: Yep, that's what it says. You can't make this stuff up.
Speaker 3: This has been I've had such a fascinating conversation. We're
Speaker 3: about out of time. I would like to leave the
Speaker 3: last word up to you, though.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, I'm just want to thank you for taking
Speaker 1: the time and thank you for letting me ramble and
Speaker 1: stumble through this. I'm not a very good this is
Speaker 1: my first podcast ever, so.
Speaker 6: I just.
Speaker 1: I'm very very thankful to have this time to take
Speaker 1: with you. And I hope and pray that everybody listening
Speaker 1: has a great day, and that God's peace is on
Speaker 1: everybody that is under the sound of my voice. And
Speaker 1: I hope that I have made a good representation or
Speaker 1: not a representation, but a presentation. Brians as well.
Speaker 3: You certainly did, and I'm thankful that you brought a
Speaker 3: lot of new information that has never been discussed over
Speaker 3: these almost two hundred episodes. So I appreciate your time,
Speaker 3: appreciate what you do, and just thank you so much
Speaker 3: for taking the time to share your story with our listeners.
Speaker 1: All right, well man, you have you have a great day.
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Speaker 3: our listeners for your continued support. I hope everybody has
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