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Now from January eighteenth, nineteen fifty one, here is the

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Big Dance.

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Speaker 2: The story you were about to hear is true, only

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the names have been changed to protect the innocent. You're

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a detective sergeant. You're assigned a robbery detail. The three

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months you've been tracking a pair of hold up men.

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There's no pattern to their operation. They're young, they're brutal.

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Speaker 3: Your job stop them.

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Speaker 4: Drag Nets the documented drama of an actual crime call.

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The next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles

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Police Department, you will travel step by step on the

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side of the law through an actual case transcribed from

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official police fiolence, from beginning to end, from crime to punishment.

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Drag Net is the story of your police force and action.

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Speaker 5: It was Sunday, March third, was reigning in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 6: We're working the night Watch out of Robbery detail. My

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partner's Ben Romero. The boss is Harry Didton, Captain of Robbery.

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My name is Friday. I was on my way back

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from the neighborhood bakery shop and it was eight forty

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five am when I got to Collis Avenue.

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Speaker 5: Number forty six fifty six. H Joe, Yeah, what happened?

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Speaker 7: Wasn't bakrio?

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it was open. I got the stuff right here.

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Speaker 7: Oh they have any raising bread?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Right here?

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Speaker 7: How about the butterhorn?

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Speaker 5: No, they don't make those on Sundays anymore.

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Speaker 8: I got bare closy staff. Okay, well, let's get this

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stuff open. Okay, Oh, I do you know we are?

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Speaker 7: Hm? Where do you keep your aid from the refrigerator

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right over there? Uh huh?

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Speaker 5: Find 'em?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I got you know, Joe.

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Speaker 8: I don't like to say anything, but I can't keep

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coming over here to your place every morning.

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Speaker 5: Well what was your idea? Nobody asked?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but I know how you are.

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Speaker 8: You don't know how to cook a decent bread first

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for yourself.

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Speaker 5: The coffee ready yet?

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Speaker 7: Uh huh uh it's not berking yet. Hey, you sure

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there's nothing wrong with this part. It's been on for

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ten minutes.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you forgot to plug it in.

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Speaker 7: Oh ah, let's see. Oh what do you want?

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Speaker 8: Better put the toast on. You always make the toast

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before you cook the eggs. Yeah you remember yesterday the

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toast was pretty cold.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I try. I better hold off for me. Yeah,

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scrambled eggs.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Well we had 'em yesterday.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I try.

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Speaker 5: Not the only way you know how to fix 'em?

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Speaker 7: I know what you'd like one of my Spanish genres.

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Speaker 8: When'd you say your mother was coming back for about

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three more days and I'll make a week warner.

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Speaker 5: Yeah that's right.

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Speaker 8: Well, I guess I can work something out with Amy.

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My wife doesn't like me coming over here every morning

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like that.

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Speaker 5: Boy I told you before, I can make out alright here.

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Speaker 7: Oh I know it is you think you're imposing? You'd

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be lost with that. You can't open say is this?

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Speaker 5: Uh r, well, the your is gonna take very long.

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We haven't got very much time, you know.

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Speaker 8: I'll have it on your plate and jiffy, what time

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are we supposed to see those Victor nine thirty at

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the County Hospital.

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Speaker 7: Where's your tomato in the refrigerator? Uh? Huh?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Twenty three jobs in three months. Those guys really moved,

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don't they.

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Speaker 8: Yeah? Mm, nice tomatoes.

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Speaker 5: Joe Holling Beck job last night, vicious punks.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and there's no reason to work the old man

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over the way they did. What do the doctor say?

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Speaker 6: Ah, he's gonna get over it alright. But they kicked

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out all of his front teeth. He's fifty years.

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Speaker 5: Old, samemo, every job. Ain't you gonna peel those?

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Speaker 7: No skins are good for you now?

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Speaker 9: Uh?

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Speaker 7: You got a nice big bermuda rup bermuda.

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Speaker 5: And oh yeah, I'll get you one.

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Speaker 7: Kids.

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Speaker 8: It's nineteen twenty year old stick up or it it's

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knocked a man's senses for a half a dollar, robbing,

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slug and kicking anywhere around the city. Yeah, it would

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be one bunch. I'll be glad to catch up with.

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Here's your onion?

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Speaker 7: Good?

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Speaker 5: Well? I wait a minute. You're gonna peel that, aren't you.

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Speaker 7: I lose half the flavor.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 8: I always peel 'em. I see now, and now I'll

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make the whole works together. You gonna put it in

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that pan on the stove there, Yes, sir, looks pretty hot,

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doesn't it's smoking, Joe. That's the way you cook a

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Spanish yellmut hot fire and fat.

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Speaker 7: End of the pan. A whole trick and making a

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good Spanish almond? Is you gotta work fast?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? We're all those little brown flakes in the top.

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Bring oh onion skins? No, I don't know. It doesn't

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look right to me the way do you taste it?

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I got it? Friday talking Elton.

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Speaker 10: Young Joe Romero there with you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's here.

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Speaker 10: You two are supposed to see those robbery victims at

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the County hospital this morning, aren't you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Nine thirty, cancel that out.

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Speaker 10: Cans Ellis and flowers are covering on that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll come.

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Speaker 10: Just got the call South Grand and Colonial two eleven

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and slugging same description.

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Speaker 5: Looks like the kid Bandits all right, We'll get right

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on it.

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Speaker 8: It's a new stand near the corner, right bye. Look

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at that, Joe, I just took it out of the pan. Yeah,

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best Benny Shaman I ever made. It's too bad we're

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not gonna have time to eat it.

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Speaker 6: Eight fifty five am we left the house and drove

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to the scene of the hold up, one door from

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the corner of South Grand and Colonial Avenue the Victims,

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where mister and missus John Wilden, proprietors of a small

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newspaper and soft drink stand just off the intersection. Missus

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Wilden was being carried to a waiting ambulance when we

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got there. She was unconscious from her forehead to her chin.

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Her face was a swollen mass of welts those had

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been broken, and she had fractures of the jaw and

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cheep bone. Her husband, John Wildon, aged fifty six, had

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a single bruise on his forehead over his left eye.

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We questioned him after the ambulance attendance gave him first aid.

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His description of the hold up men tallied almost perfectly.

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Speaker 11: One was a redhead, another one that had dark hair,

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both about the same height. I'd say, as tall as

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you are, officer.

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Speaker 7: That's just Joe kid.

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Speaker 8: Many you know, had you ever seen either one of

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these men before, mister Wildon around the neighborhood.

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Speaker 11: Maybe no, I never did. I don't know why they'd

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picked on Madeline and me for a hold up. We'd

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never been robbed before. I just got this little hole

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in the wall here. Don't see how it could look

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worthwhile any crook. You usually open up this early on

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Sunday morning. Oh, yes, Sunday's one of our big days.

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You see. We handle all the Sunday papers. You'd get

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our big trade from the people going to church up

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the street there, Saint Joseph's.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I see.

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Speaker 11: After the church lets out, most of the people had

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down this way pick up the Sunday papers. We show

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about fifteen twenty papers after every mass. It's a nice

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little business, you know. We close up after twelve fifteen.

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Speaker 5: Well when did the hold up take place? Can you

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remember that, sir.

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Speaker 11: Well, I'd say eight thirty, a few minutes after I

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went down to the Athens Cafe down the street there.

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I wanted to get some change. I left Madeline here

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to handle the counter. Madlin, that's my wife, yes, And

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when I got back, she wasn't behind the counter. I

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took a look behind here and saw a cash box

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laying on the cement there, empty and I didn't know

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what to think.

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Speaker 7: What'd you do? Then? Well?

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Speaker 9: I pushed through this door. Here.

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Speaker 11: There's a little dinky storeroom just back to the counter.

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It's where we keep our supplies candy.

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Speaker 5: And soda water. I see you might if we take

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Speaker 9: See no, no, no, come out of here.

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Speaker 7: Uh huh?

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Speaker 9: You see what? When I came in, first thing I

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Speaker 11: That's my wife, and she was lying there on the

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board's morning, had her hands over her face. The two

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young fellas were standing over and both had guns.

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Speaker 5: Uh What did they do? When they saw you?

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Speaker 11: And they grabbed me and asked for money. I told

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him I didn't have any. I began to holler for help.

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One of 'em slugged me with his gun and then

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they ran out. Still a little shaky, you mind if

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I sit down.

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Speaker 7: Then go ahead? Oh here, let me get this box

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for you.

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Speaker 5: Thank you? Say, I wonder if we could get you

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some water, maybe a cold drink from the cover.

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Speaker 11: Oh no, no, but you will find a half pint

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behind those cases over there, a little brandy.

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Speaker 9: I keep put away.

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Speaker 11: Oh over here, yes, that's right behind those cases.

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Speaker 9: I don't usually drink on Sundays.

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Speaker 5: This is an exception.

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Speaker 7: I guess, hey, honest, will what's it on the floor there?

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Speaker 5: Ben no near your foot there?

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Speaker 7: See?

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Speaker 8: Oh, lights are not very good. Oh A book of matches? Yeah,

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these yours, mister Willis matches. No, I don't carry him

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all your wife's I guess.

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Speaker 7: Huh.

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Speaker 9: I don't think so, neither one of 'eus smoke.

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Speaker 7: What's that ad putting on the back here? Uh?

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Speaker 8: Big Tin cafe, steaks, chopped short orders, open all the night,

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West Pico. Do you have a cigarettes and cigarsis no, sir.

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Speaker 12: But.

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Speaker 9: I can his soft drinks, newspapers, that's all.

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 7: Uh? Inside of the match book covered Joe, I'm scribbling.

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Speaker 8: On her or George Bell asked Cameron fifth and aalometer.

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Uh do you recognize this at all, mister Wilder?

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Speaker 9: Big ten cafe? No, I never been there.

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Speaker 5: Now about the names here inside the cover?

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Speaker 9: George Bell as Cameron.

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Speaker 7: No, I never heard him when you first came in here.

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Mister Wilman, do you remember where the hold up men

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were standing?

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Speaker 11: We're not too well. Uh, well, one was over there

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and one was over there.

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Speaker 7: I think could be Joe. One of 'em might have

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dropped it. Uh huh?

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Speaker 9: Trace him from that match book? Do you think that's possible?

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, how would you trace them that way? Annaly's this

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some kind of scientific work, No, sir, legwork?

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Speaker 5: Nine tight am. We call Layton fingerprints.

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Speaker 6: As soon as they arrived, we dropped mister Wilden off

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at Georgia Street Receiving Hospital to see his wife.

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Speaker 5: Ben and I drove back to the office.

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Speaker 6: We had the crime report typed up and got out

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a supplementary broadcast on our original APB.

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Speaker 5: We asked Frank.

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Speaker 6: Cunningham and R and I to run the names George

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Bell and ask Cameron through the files for possible mate.

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Speaker 5: We checked for the restaurant advertised on the cover of

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the matchbook, the Big Ten Cafe.

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Speaker 6: The manager of the cafe failed to recognize either the

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names on the matchbook or the descriptions of the.

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Speaker 5: Hold up men nine fifty two. We checked back in

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at the office. I'll get it.

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Speaker 7: Robbery now, yeah, Frank, huh uhh yeah, good right, thank you.

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Speaker 5: Cunningham.

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Speaker 8: You got to make on the name George Bell, another

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one for Sam Cameron. Both of them run together, got

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long juvenile record. You got an address home, Yeah, it'll

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be hard to run down. What do you mean Main Jail.

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Speaker 6: Five days before, George Bell, a laborer, and Samuel Cameron,

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a part time jewelry salesman, had been booked at the

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Main Jail on charges of being drunk and disorderly. The

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day after his arrest, Cameron was bailed out. Belle was

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still in the drunk tank. Ben and I went out

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of the Main jail.

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Speaker 5: And talked to him. He didn't fit the description of

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either of the bandits.

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Speaker 6: It was very cooperative, but he stated that he'd been

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very drunk and he couldn't remember too much.

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Speaker 11: Just a no sergeant. Sam and I went out and

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tied went on. What came to we were here in

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the drunk tank. You have no idea at all how

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your name's got on this match book. I'm trying to think, well,

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pretty well, he did up Samity. That's another thing, that

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dirty Sam.

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Speaker 7: What do you mean he.

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Speaker 11: Gets a friend of his to come up here and

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bail him out. Think you do anything for me? No,

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I bought the liquor. He lets me sit here now,

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dirty Sam. You think he might remember about that match book?

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I'm disgusting with him. Just see him.

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Speaker 7: You can tell him that, Just on him.

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Speaker 5: No, he's off mindless.

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Speaker 8: How about the address here on the matchbook, George Fays

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Fifth an alimeter? Doesn't that mean anything to you? Were

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you in cameraon hitting some of the spots around that area. No,

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we were messing around over in dog Town. Didn't get

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down by alometers.

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Speaker 5: Doll Well, must have some Talian for you. Fifth and alimeter?

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Speaker 11: No, guy, I know down there is Sanchez. He wait

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a minute, Yeah, just a minute, Sanchez. Goud senchiz sure.

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I wanted to see Guts. I thought he'd put up

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there for us. Yeah, go ahead, I got it now,

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I think I have. Anyway, it was the morning after

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and I woke up here in the tank o a

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big head, you know, really whipped the first thing.

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Speaker 7: I thought it was out.

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Speaker 5: I think of Gus.

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Speaker 11: Sanchez might pop for bail fund of mine. You know,

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Gus works at about fifth and alimeter that's it morehow's

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Italian out of this? Other mooch is in the tank

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next to me. Somebody stopped bail for him and he's

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getting out an hour. So I asked him to call

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Gusts for me, and he said he would. He wrote

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my name down and he wrote down Sam's too dirty Sam?

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Speaker 5: And he took down Yes, his address?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Tift?

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Speaker 7: And either you remember what this man looked back when?

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Who took your name?

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Speaker 11: Oh? Let's see, No, everything was going around. He he's

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kind of car I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Would you remember him if you saw him again? Guy

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did me a favor.

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Speaker 11: I'd remember him.

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Speaker 7: Not like that?

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Speaker 10: Did he sand?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 5: How about his name? Did he tell you that? No?

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Speaker 7: I didn't ask him.

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Speaker 5: I should have.

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Speaker 7: Uh? You sure about the day this man was released? Positive?

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Speaker 5: The same guy came in tuesday? Okay, Bell, thanks very much.

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We'll be checking back with you.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, all right.

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Speaker 5: And what about this guy? You gotta bait for him

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or maybe if he's the one we won?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: What do he do? He lost his matches?

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Speaker 6: Ben and I left the drunk tank and went down

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the hall to check with the officer in charge. We

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paged through the release book and found that seven men

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had been bailed out or discharged from the jail on

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the previous Tuesday.

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Speaker 5: Went back to the.

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Speaker 6: Record bureau and I had them pull the mug shots

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on all seven men, and then we took the pictures

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back to the drunk Tank and showed them to George Bell.

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Speaker 13: M M, yeah, this one, I think, can't be sure,

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I think that's him.

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Speaker 6: George Bell attentively identified the mugshot of a Fred Gunter, WMA,

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twenty one years old. Gunther had a previous record of

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grand theft, auto perse snatching and drunk charges. His picture

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matched closely with the description of one of the suspects.

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Four am, we contacted the kid Bandit's most recent victim,

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John Wildon, at his home. We asked him to look

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at the same group of mugshots that were shown to

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George Bell.

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Speaker 9: Here.

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Speaker 11: Here, this, here, here's one of them. You sure, mister Wilder,

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he's the one who slugged me. Who is he?

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Speaker 5: His named s Fred Gunter?

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Speaker 9: Well, then you know him?

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Speaker 7: You want me to identify him?

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Speaker 10: Yes, sir?

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Speaker 5: When we find.

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Speaker 4: You are listening to drag met authentic stories of your

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police force in action.

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Speaker 8: Monday March fourth, nine am, we checked out the suspect,

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Fred Gunter. No trace of him at any of his

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previous addresses. We began checking with the other victims of

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the kid bandits. After a day and a half of

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leg work, we sat down and figured up the results.

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More than two thirds of the victims definitely tabbed Gunter

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as one of the.

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Speaker 5: Hold up men. The next step was the record bureau.

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Speaker 6: We had them pull the packages on every one of

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Gunter's known friends and associates.

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Speaker 5: There were more than thirty of them.

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Speaker 8: We had mugshots pulled on each one of them and

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made the rounds of the victims for the second time.

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Speaker 6: Approximately half of the victims had singled out. One picture

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is that of Gunter's partner in the hold ups. We

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pulled the package on the man and checked his MAM machine.

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His name was Harold Rhymers, WMA, age nineteen. Previous record

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included car stripping and one charge eight W no conviction.

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Speaker 8: Friday, March eighth, we continued our check of the friends

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and associates known to.

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Speaker 6: The two suspects gun through in Rhymers. We got nowhere.

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Two weeks passed. On March twenty third, we got a

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tipp from an informant about a girlfriend of Fred Gunter's,

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a vocalist working at a.

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Speaker 8: Downtown dance hall during intermissions long haul.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was one more flight.

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Speaker 7: Climb, four flights of stairs and then they expect you

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to dance.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, uh, I guess this is it? Yeah, come on mage,

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not floor. Uh, All show's a little aware place has

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been there for years.

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Speaker 7: Look at those walls. That sailing sure could use a

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fresh coat of paint.

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Speaker 5: Is her name is Stanley? Is that right?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: That's it over.

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Speaker 14: Loose?

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Speaker 5: Excuse me? Your name Lourene Stanley?

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Speaker 14: Yeah that's right, sweet Lorraine. That's my billing you with

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the band.

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Speaker 5: No, we're police officers. I'd like to talk to you

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for a minute if we can't sure all right?

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Speaker 14: I was just rehearsing a little. What's it about Alficer?

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Speaker 7: Do you know Fred gunnf Miss Stanley?

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Speaker 14: Fred? Yeah, I know. I'm I used to be engaged

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to Fred.

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Speaker 7: You happen to know where he is now?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 14: I don't. I guess I haven't heard from him in

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three four months. Usually looks me up when I'm in town.

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Maybe he's sore about something.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what was he contacted you at all?

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Speaker 14: Not since I got back from Bakersfield a month ago.

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I played thirty two weeks in Bakersfield to ramble in.

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Sure he hated to leave. Nice place?

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Speaker 5: Where does Gunther stay in town? Do yet know? That?

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Speaker 14: Used to be that hotel on Selflower called him there,

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but they said he moved. I used to like fred

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a lot, not have to marr him.

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Speaker 7: Do you have any idea where he might have grown

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where we could contact him?

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Speaker 14: No, I really don't. Nothing wrong is soon.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's just a routine investigation. We'd like to

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talk to him.

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Speaker 14: What's it about?

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Speaker 5: Can you tell me it's a robbery investigation?

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Speaker 8: We want to locate gun there he happen to know

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any of.

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Speaker 5: His friends in the city.

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Speaker 14: No, maybe that's why he didn't call. He's in trouble, robbery.

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Speaker 9: Is in it?

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Speaker 5: Well, we just like talk to him, that's all.

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Speaker 14: Well, if he's done something wrong, I'm not gonna hide him.

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I can't afford to get mixed.

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Speaker 7: Up in it.

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Speaker 14: I've got a career to think about it. I worked

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too hard to throw it away.

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Speaker 8: How about the places Gunter usually visits? Miss Dandy Barr's restman,

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do you know any of those?

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Speaker 14: I remember a few. I can give him the names

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of your life, poor friend. I hope he didn't do.

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Speaker 9: It for me, ma'am.

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Speaker 14: Fred says he's in love with me.

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 14: He thinks I want money. Maybe that's why he's doing it.

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I told him, but he never believed me. All I

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want is my career.

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Speaker 5: What do you think that Gunther might come around here

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to see it?

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Speaker 14: Probably he usually does when I'm in town.

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Speaker 5: How about where you're living.

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Speaker 14: I'm staying at a different hotel.

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Speaker 5: That's true.

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Speaker 14: He doesn't know where he is, poor Fred. He's going

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to be awfully disappointed.

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Speaker 7: How do you mean he said he was going.

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Speaker 14: To get money and buy a ring. He's going to

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marry me this time? Poor Fred? This is my new theme. Officers,

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you like it?

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Speaker 7: Uh huh?

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Speaker 6: Just one more thing, Miss Stanley. If Gunter contacts you

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by phone, will you be sure and let us know?

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Speaker 7: All right?

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Speaker 14: I don't do that.

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Speaker 15: It's sure?

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Speaker 14: A beautiful name, isn't it? Deanna Player of Bakersfield?

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Speaker 9: He wrote it for me?

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Speaker 5: Beautiful?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 14: Fred understands. I don't want to hurt him, but I

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can't marry him. Oh, I make him understand? How do

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I explain it?

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Speaker 6: I don't think you'll have to, ma'am. Before we left

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Lorraine Stanley, we told her that if Gunther should contact her,

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not to tell him that she talked with us. Steakouts

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were placed on the dance hall where she worked and

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at the hotel where she was staying. Gunther's known hangouts

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were also covered.

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Speaker 5: The next night, the.

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Speaker 6: Kid Banned It were back in business. They hit twice

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a liquor store on Franklin Avenue. In a tavern on

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South Flower, gun Through and Rhymers were again identified as

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the two suspects. The steakouts continued. The search went on.

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Four days later, we got a tip from the proprietor

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of a shoe shine stand.

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Speaker 5: On West Temple with gun Through.

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Speaker 6: His partner, Harold Rymers, had been seen entering a small

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hotel up the street from his stand. We drove over

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and checked with a desk clerk. He identified Rhymer's mug shine.

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Speaker 5: He told us the suspect.

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Speaker 6: Wasn't in, but that he was expected back that night.

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Ben and I went on steak out in his hotel

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room seven pm. Rhymers failed to show.

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Speaker 8: Getting a little hungry, Joe you yeah, what time you

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got now? Twenty after seven the stomachs starting to crow.

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And what's that paray? I don't think so let's see.

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Well it's a salvation army band. Oh yeah, Saturday night.

494
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Might as well check the office. Huh we can't get

495
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a relief. Well would you get me Mesigan five to

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two one one please?

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Speaker 7: Michigan five to two one one. Yeah, we'll play for it.

498
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Thank you? Did you close the one to George Illinois? Yeah? Okay?

499
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Robbery ply yeah, Young, this is from Meryl. How's that sure? Okay? Thanks?

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Speaker 8: Gunther and Rhymers they pulled a hole up down South

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Maye twenty minutes ago.

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Speaker 7: Gunter got away, you know, they got rhyming.

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Speaker 5: Seven forty five pm. Then and I got back to

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the City Hall and went to the interrogation room together

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with Young and Carr from Robbery.

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Speaker 6: We tried to question the suspect, Harold Rhymers. We talked

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to him for over an hour. He refused to tell

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us anything. We took him to the main jail where

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he was booked on two eleven PC. Nine to fifteen pm.

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We went back to the office.

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Speaker 7: I'll get it, robbery or Meryl, just a minute, fu jure?

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Speaker 5: Okay?

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Speaker 6: Things Friday talking sergeant.

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Speaker 8: This is Lorraine Stanley.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, miss Stanley, I'm over at work the dance Will

516
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you remember, yes, ma'am?

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Speaker 7: Anything wrong?

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Speaker 14: Well, Fred just called me, sergeant. I told the officers

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here Fred.

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Speaker 5: Gunter, yes, ma'am. Where is he?

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Speaker 8: Did?

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Speaker 5: He say? No? All he said was he wanted to

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see me. Yeah, he said he was coming right over

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nine pm.

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Speaker 6: We called them in on steakout at the dance hall

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and alerted them Delton, Young, Ben and I got in

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the car and drove over. We checked with the detail

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on steakhout. Gunther hadn't been spotted, but because of the

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large crowd entering and leaving the dance hall, it was

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possible that he could have gotten in unnoticed. We talked

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to the Stanley girl. She hadn't seen or heard anything

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further from the suspect. Ben and I staked out in

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her dressing room. Where Gunter said he'd meet the girl

534
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was a small converted storeroom at went end of the

535
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dance floor, just behind the bandstand. Lorraine Stanley was on

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during the intermission.

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Speaker 5: We waited, what have.

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Speaker 7: You got y know?

539
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Speaker 5: Almost ten thirty?

540
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Speaker 8: This guy must feel pretty sure of him, he said,

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if he posed the robbery's almost picked up in Three

542
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hours later, he makes a date to show in the

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public play.

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Speaker 5: You know he hasn't shown yet. I'm not too sure

545
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about that Stanley girl.

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Speaker 8: How do you mean she's that big an attraction for him?

547
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Speaker 5: This is the only way out besides that fire escape

548
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off the alley.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Young's covering the alley. Come on, you gotta find me.

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Speaker 5: He's up the alley behind one of those trucks.

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Speaker 7: You can't go for it's day and end.

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Speaker 5: Stay here, Young and cut him up.

553
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Speaker 7: You all right? Yeah?

554
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Speaker 9: He slug may knock me down.

555
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Speaker 7: I didn't see him in the dark. Come on, Ben,

556
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easy enough, you're a dark Yeah.

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Speaker 10: What behind that?

558
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Speaker 5: I want your Joe missed him coming.

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Speaker 7: Back to you.

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Speaker 9: Don't shoot, don't shoot?

561
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Speaker 10: All right?

562
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Speaker 1: That show.

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Speaker 5: You want to stay with him? Young? We'll call him. Yeah,

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right close to splace, that little cafe off the alley

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to the left.

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Speaker 7: Thanks.

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Speaker 8: Come on then, yeah, I'm here, eh, yeah, I guess

568
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they got a phone inside. Come on, wait a minute.

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As soon as we get gun to downtown, we're gonna

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come right back here. Before take a look at that

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fry cook in the winter there.

572
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Speaker 5: Yeah, what about him?

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Speaker 7: That fella makes a Spanish almond exactly like I did.

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Speaker 2: The story you have just heard was true, only the

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names were changed to protect the innocent.

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Speaker 4: On July nineteenth, trial was held in Superior Court, Department

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eighty six, City and County of Los Angeles, State of California.

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In a moment the results of that trial, Bred Gunter

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and Harold Reimers were tried and convicted on several counts

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of robbery and assault. They received sentences as prescribed by law,

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and they're now serving their terms in the state penitentiary.

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You have just heard Dragnet, a series of authentic cases

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from official fires. Technical advice comes from the Office of

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Chief of Police W. H. Parker, Los Angeles Police Deparker.

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We the People is next with Stories of Today on NBC.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Back. One thing that's standing out to me this

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time through Dragnet is how many of these early cases

588
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are about theories of brutal robberies and whole ups.

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Speaker 14: Now.

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Speaker 1: I don't think all of them are all the same.

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I think each is interesting to listen to as you're

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listening to the episode and has its own unique twist,

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But in memory, they do tend to kind of blend together.

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Joel Friday trying to help out Ben Romero with breakfast

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in mom Friday's absence seems to be a case of

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the very near sighted leading the blind. I get the

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idea that in terms of main dishes, Ben really just

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knows how to do grambled eggs in Spanish homeless, and

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that's about it. On the right side. At least when

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he went to the bakery, Friday didn't have to find

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a bakery that carried gram bread. We already talked in

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a previous episode about what a challenge that would be.

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Though I do have to say it seems to me

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that if Friday had been allowed to have burial or milk,

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and I don't think he even he could mess that up,

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he actually would have been able to eat before going

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on the call, rather than spending his morning before work

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running to the bakery to pick up things to help

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Ben help him. All right, Well, listener comments and feedback now,

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and we have a comment regarding Matthew Slade in the

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episode Passage two ten years and over on YouTube face

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Off Rights that grilled camel over sounds yummy to each

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Speaker 12: I don't know whether you've heard Sojio, but you've got

631
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a namesake in town. There's another Tony Paletti.

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Speaker 5: You call that news.

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Speaker 2: According to the phone book, there are eleven of them

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in New York.

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Speaker 12: Now, well, one I had in mine works for Gambler

636
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named Frank Novak.

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Speaker 5: So so I got to rumb A.

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Speaker 12: Little couple of hoods just moved in from Detroit looking

639
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for him.

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Speaker 5: What's that got to do with me?

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Speaker 12: Nothing, I hope, But these boys are kind of trigger happy.

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I'd hate to see him make a mistake.

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Speaker 7: Listener, Marie ain't either, limit.

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Speaker 12: How mistakes have happened before, Tony. That's how they finally

645
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caught up with murder Incorporated. I get the wrong man.

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Speaker 14: What do you think you should do?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 12: I've already called the police and a few people have

649
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,200
no objection. I'd like to stick close for a couple

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of days.

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Speaker 15: Write of your mind why I think it makes sense?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 14: Look, he's nothing to worry about.

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Speaker 7: What do you mean it's nothing to worry about?

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Speaker 15: Didn't you just jam sud Mike was always a great warrior.

656
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You should have seen him at Remagen. Just the same, Tony,

657
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if you don't mind do mine today. I need a

658
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nurse maid. I'll be ready for the old soldiers home.

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll be with us then in the meantime.

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Send your comments to Box thirteen at Great Detectives dot net,

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