1 00:00:17,359 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: And we are back with another edition of the Federalist 2 00:00:20,199 --> 00:00:24,559 Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, Senior Elections correspondent at the Federalist, 3 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:29,839 and your experienced Shirpa on today's quest for Knowledge. As always, 4 00:00:29,839 --> 00:00:32,799 you can email the show at radio at the Federalist 5 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:37,759 dot com, follow us on x at FDR LST, make 6 00:00:37,759 --> 00:00:40,560 sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcast, and of 7 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:45,359 course the premium version of our website as well. Today 8 00:00:45,399 --> 00:00:49,719 I am absolutely honored to be joined by Marjorie Danenfelzer, 9 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:56,000 President of Susan B. Anthony ProLife America. What remarkable times 10 00:00:56,119 --> 00:01:01,359 these are in the life movement. Injury for years has 11 00:01:01,439 --> 00:01:03,960 been at the center of it. Thank you so much 12 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,920 for joining us on this edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. 13 00:01:07,359 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 2: Oh it is more than my pleasure. I long long, 14 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:14,079 long ago downloaded my app for Federalists and I listened 15 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,040 to you all the time. I'm honored as well. We 16 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,400 are indeed in heady time, so I'm happy to be 17 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:19,799 with you. 18 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: These are indeed heady times, and it's dizzying. These are 19 00:01:23,719 --> 00:01:26,400 dizzying times. It's hard to keep up. You know. We 20 00:01:26,519 --> 00:01:29,200 used to talk about news cycles of twenty four hours. 21 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,439 Now they're twenty four minutes, let's face it, and this 22 00:01:31,519 --> 00:01:36,000 summer only drove that point home just how quickly things 23 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:40,560 are subject to change in America and American politics. Before 24 00:01:40,599 --> 00:01:42,920 we talk about all of that, I want to take 25 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,760 you back what some of us are old enough to 26 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,640 remember as the way back machine from a certain cartoon 27 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:55,519 years ago. Take you back to the early nineteen nineties 28 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:02,159 when you and some other life fighters got together and said, 29 00:02:02,519 --> 00:02:07,640 we've got to do something, and you did creating Susan B. Anthony. 30 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,680 Tell me what life was like for you at the 31 00:02:11,719 --> 00:02:13,439 beginning of this journey. 32 00:02:13,439 --> 00:02:17,439 Speaker 2: Oh, what a generous question. Number one, that you have 33 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,319 a curiosity. And then also you get me and I 34 00:02:20,439 --> 00:02:24,960 go the way back machine also for a minute. Yeah, 35 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:29,599 I was so not pro life, and through all sorts 36 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:34,439 of beautiful mean my mind was changed. I wouldn't have 37 00:02:34,439 --> 00:02:36,280 done it on my own. And so that's why I 38 00:02:36,319 --> 00:02:39,800 put it like in that passive way. And when I 39 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,680 was in I was working at the Heritage Foundation after college, 40 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,159 and I was asked, if you go to the to 41 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,080 work for a pro life democrat, which there were many 42 00:02:49,199 --> 00:02:51,919 back then on Capitol L I was a Democrat. I 43 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:53,960 really was not interested in working for a Democrat, but 44 00:02:54,039 --> 00:02:57,800 somehow the spirit said yes, even though the rest of 45 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,680 me didn't want to, but it was an important moment 46 00:02:59,759 --> 00:03:03,759 to be on Capital Hill. My experience there led me 47 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,120 to the strong conviction that there needed to be a 48 00:03:07,199 --> 00:03:10,560 strong political muscle at the heart of the pro life movement. 49 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,319 There were already beautiful education campaigns that had been going 50 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,240 on for a couple of decades that were beautiful, but 51 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,919 there really was no NRA equivalent of the pro life movement, which, 52 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,840 to be harsh but kind, we needed to have that 53 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,840 velvet hammer. You know, you say your pro life, you 54 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,680 better act that way. So the first thing that we 55 00:03:31,719 --> 00:03:35,120 did was was preliminary, and it was to start electing 56 00:03:35,159 --> 00:03:38,759 pro life women to public office who could communicate the 57 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:44,879 false promise of the feminists and how much damage it 58 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,759 had done to women and children and men that we 59 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:52,080 love too, that somehow liberation was I'm sorry, abortion was 60 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:56,560 the great liberator. And so we started electing those women. 61 00:03:56,599 --> 00:04:02,599 We had a good crop, beautiful women coming from almost none, 62 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,719 and then it just became very clear who not go 63 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,599 on forever, but that we had to increase his muscle 64 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,919 so that it could win elections on the state wide 65 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,759 level that we show our power. We leverage the organic 66 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,480 and beautiful pro life movement in strategic places to win 67 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:25,279 Senate races, to ultimately find a president who would follow 68 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:32,079 their verbal and written commitments after obtaining him, for the 69 00:04:32,079 --> 00:04:36,240 pro life movement to do what most people thought perhaps 70 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,480 was maybe never going to happen, which is overturned Roe v. Wade. 71 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:45,199 And so here we are with a result of a 72 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,040 Senate and a president who did those things, and now 73 00:04:48,079 --> 00:04:51,240 we are holding it in our hands. And what you 74 00:04:51,439 --> 00:04:54,399 described at the beginning as the whirling dervish of this 75 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,399 moment is very much abortion is very much at the 76 00:04:58,439 --> 00:05:01,040 center of that. So that's where we are. 77 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: These are remarkable times because for many reasons. But I'm 78 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:13,519 thinking about the Dobbs decision, that historic day, fifty years 79 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:18,279 of this fight, this life fight going on, and many, 80 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,720 how many many lives destroyed. And I mean that in 81 00:05:22,759 --> 00:05:26,759 every sense. I mean the preborn lives obviously, as you know, 82 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,920 the lives of the women, oh yeah, and the people 83 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:37,199 who have endured abortions in America. But let me start 84 00:05:37,319 --> 00:05:40,040 with our so called friends in the pro life movement. 85 00:05:41,959 --> 00:05:46,360 These are difficult questions, you know, with just less than 86 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,319 three months before a critical election, a critical life election. 87 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,199 But all of a sudden, Dobbs gave pro life Republicans 88 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,279 much of what they wanted, if not all of what 89 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,920 they wanted, And suddenly we saw a lot of these folks. 90 00:06:02,199 --> 00:06:05,319 And I can tell you, as someone who knows particularly 91 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:10,920 the Republican landscape in swing state Wisconsin, I can't believe 92 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,800 how many Republicans ran for the hills when Dobbs came 93 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,079 down and said, you know what, it's up to the 94 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:24,120 states when it comes to abortion. You can't federalize something 95 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,360 through a Roe v. Wade decision, And all of a 96 00:06:27,439 --> 00:06:31,079 sudden that made them very itchy and very nervous. Why 97 00:06:31,879 --> 00:06:32,560 let me ask. 98 00:06:32,399 --> 00:06:37,079 Speaker 2: You that, Well, I would say, you know from where 99 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:43,079 you sit the act meaning the appropriate context of federalism, 100 00:06:44,199 --> 00:06:49,600 And no Republican had argued, almost no Republican had argued 101 00:06:49,639 --> 00:06:51,839 that this was only a state's issue. Now, I'm not 102 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,079 saying that we didn't all say yes, then I'll go 103 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,560 back to the states. People said that all the time. 104 00:06:56,959 --> 00:06:59,839 But the way we all acted, the way Republican elected 105 00:07:00,519 --> 00:07:03,560 acted on the federal level, was to say, hey, let's 106 00:07:03,639 --> 00:07:06,279 at least start at twenty weeks saying that is so 107 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,639 monest but it is like the beginning of building consensus 108 00:07:09,959 --> 00:07:12,519 for the day that we can actually do something about 109 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:17,120 a federal minimum standard. And as soon as as soon 110 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,639 as that leak came from the Supreme Court about what 111 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,399 they thought Dobbs was going to say, that's when you know, 112 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,480 you've got a couple of general standing in the field, 113 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,480 and the or a couple of troops standing in the field, 114 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:36,160 and all the generals leave and and here, yeah, and 115 00:07:36,279 --> 00:07:39,600 so and all. It's the story of the garden. I mean, 116 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:44,079 it is the story of fear, abject fear of that 117 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,240 all the worldly things are going to be that you 118 00:07:46,279 --> 00:07:48,519 love are going to be taken away, and namely power, 119 00:07:48,879 --> 00:07:53,800 and and and the and the without the core commitment 120 00:07:53,879 --> 00:07:57,040 to life, as you said, embedded in the in our 121 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,319 founding documents. That was always the best speach, some of 122 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,920 the best lines in the best speeches. But when it 123 00:08:03,959 --> 00:08:08,759 came to worry about the midterms coming up, whether there 124 00:08:08,839 --> 00:08:10,759 was one job to do and that would stick your 125 00:08:10,759 --> 00:08:13,079 head in the sand as far down as it would 126 00:08:13,079 --> 00:08:16,399 go and hope and pray that no one takes me 127 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,519 to account about my pro life position. And of course 128 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,040 we know the end of that story. It's the same 129 00:08:23,079 --> 00:08:26,000 story I've seen a million times. When people run away 130 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:31,040 from a deeply moral important issue, you get completely shellacked. 131 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,559 You get labeled things that you would never even conceive 132 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,519 of doing, like putting women in jail, letting them die 133 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:42,480 instead of getting treatment, you know, for miscarriage, those types 134 00:08:42,519 --> 00:08:46,519 of things. So the Democrat I mean the Republicans, that 135 00:08:46,639 --> 00:08:51,639 all the leadership Republicans, not just rank and foul. Those 136 00:08:51,639 --> 00:08:54,279 are the ones where we had all the conversations with 137 00:08:54,399 --> 00:08:57,960 leading and including Trump, leading into the midterms, and everyone 138 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:02,039 seems set and then the then when the moment came, 139 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,960 everybody ran for the hills and then blamed, of course, 140 00:09:06,039 --> 00:09:09,799 the pro life movement on some of the losses. 141 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: The last thing, I including the GOP presidential candidate. 142 00:09:14,879 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 2: Of course, that's right at the top of the ticket. 143 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,799 And so we're at top of the food chain for Republicans. 144 00:09:20,879 --> 00:09:24,879 But what is what was really under reported that I 145 00:09:24,919 --> 00:09:29,720 saw that you observed is that governors were great. Every 146 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,360 governor that had signed a strong pro life protection was 147 00:09:32,399 --> 00:09:35,399 in great shape. They were all re elected. And a 148 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,080 couple of senators who were strong Jade Vance, Tim Scott 149 00:09:39,279 --> 00:09:44,879 and Rubio all communicated beautifully, didn't have a problem at all, 150 00:09:44,919 --> 00:09:47,960 and so that it really is a story to be 151 00:09:48,039 --> 00:09:51,200 told and retailed. But there hasn't been any lesson learned 152 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,840 that I can see, because frankly, the way this all works, 153 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,279 as you know, is that if the top of the 154 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:03,799 ticket or the tops of the tickets don't take a 155 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,919 position that is strong and make sense, it just there's 156 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,799 a trickle down, and it trickles down to so many campaigns. 157 00:10:11,799 --> 00:10:16,000 So we just have to stop Kamala and make sure 158 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,279 that we get we prevent a trafecta of the House 159 00:10:19,799 --> 00:10:23,679 and White House to avoid disaster, but start planning strongly 160 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:24,360 for the future. 161 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: You raise a lot of good points in that, and 162 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:33,120 you know there is a threat, an existential threat, of course, 163 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,000 and I mean that in every sense of the word 164 00:10:35,919 --> 00:10:39,000 in this election. I mean you can see it as 165 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,759 a life election. But of course they are the realities 166 00:10:42,799 --> 00:10:47,320 of political expedients. But as you just mentioned, with the 167 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:51,200 success of governors JD. Vance in the Senate and there 168 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,720 are others, they stuck to their guns, they stuck to 169 00:10:54,799 --> 00:10:58,840 the core issues of life, and they were rewarded in 170 00:10:58,879 --> 00:11:03,879 those states for it. But at the same time there 171 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:09,759 still lingers this worry about how you're going to as 172 00:11:09,759 --> 00:11:13,320 a Republican candidate for anything, survive the onslaught of the 173 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,559 attacks from the left, the Democrat Party and their good 174 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:24,120 pals and the accomplished media about abortion issues. And I think, 175 00:11:24,159 --> 00:11:29,559 as I've watched this unfold, particularly since Dobbs, I see 176 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,919 a communication gap, a communication breakdown. To put it in 177 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:40,080 the words of those poetic sages led Zeppelin, I think 178 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:44,279 there has been a real problem communicating the message of life, 179 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:50,000 and more so the message of death from the Democrat Party. 180 00:11:50,159 --> 00:11:53,720 This is a party that has moved so far left, 181 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,639 and no matter how the accomplished media tries to spin it, 182 00:11:57,639 --> 00:12:03,639 it is a party that believes an abortion undemand any time, anywhere, 183 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,679 and that has yet to truly be communicated by a 184 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,840 lot of Republicans or pro life conservatives out there. 185 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,399 Speaker 2: Oh wow, you hit the nail on the head. And 186 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:18,000 you know that the stairway to heaven and politics is contrast. 187 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 1: Right, And I love the reference that led Zeppelin reference. 188 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:21,559 Once again, I have to. 189 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 2: Have to be i' I'm not sure how many more 190 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:23,399 I have. 191 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:24,879 Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, fair. 192 00:12:24,799 --> 00:12:30,399 Speaker 2: Enough, but it's contrast that is the gift. And when 193 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,120 you have a contrast that benefits you to the extent 194 00:12:33,279 --> 00:12:37,480 that this issue could benefit Republicans. If you don't take 195 00:12:37,519 --> 00:12:42,159 it your complete you're committing malpractice in politics. And the 196 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,279 contrast is this what you just described, There is a 197 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,440 no limits policy on the part of the Democratic Party, 198 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,320 and do you pay for the abortions that are publicly possible? 199 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:59,039 And our position has been let's get to consensus. Are 200 00:12:59,159 --> 00:13:02,679 the Democrats ideal? This is why we have the failing 201 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,799 documents we have to while are Cavanaugh and Alito and 202 00:13:06,799 --> 00:13:11,679 others said, this is the the arena of democracy. It's 203 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:16,519 the legislative arena that's where these things, especially deeply morally 204 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:20,039 held battle. This is where it's needed out. And so 205 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,360 while we might not get everything we want, we could 206 00:13:22,399 --> 00:13:25,960 at least build consensus in every legislative arena that is possible, 207 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,480 including the federal legislature. Could say you chose twelve weeks, 208 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,720 or say you chose fifteen weeks like many of them 209 00:13:32,759 --> 00:13:36,200 committed to, or even twenty for heaven's sakes, which they 210 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:41,279 all voted for. That contrasted with unlimited abortion is a 211 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,799 seventy seventy five percent issue that benefits you only when 212 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,759 you talk about it and when you cloak it in compassion. 213 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,799 But that is what is, that is what is not happening. 214 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:57,159 And there's still a chance some chants that maybe Jade 215 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:03,120 Events will do it well, perhaps the president well. In 216 00:14:03,159 --> 00:14:07,360 a next debate, we'll provide some contrast again, but all 217 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,519 in all, not been real happy. 218 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 3: Should you be freaking out over the massive stock market 219 00:14:15,879 --> 00:14:18,080 crash over the past weekend? The Watch Dout on Wall 220 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,399 Street podcast with Chris Markowski. 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Check out 228 00:14:39,639 --> 00:14:42,000 the Watch dot on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski 229 00:14:42,039 --> 00:14:44,519 on Apple, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. 230 00:14:46,639 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: Well, as you know, it's a sad truth, but there 231 00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:55,600 are people on the left in the Democrat Party who 232 00:14:55,600 --> 00:15:02,559 are so committed to killing the unborn that to save 233 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:09,000 that so called night, they will kill, hurt, and damage. 234 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,960 And that's exactly what we saw as we got the 235 00:15:12,039 --> 00:15:15,080 leaked word about the Dobbs decision. And that's and we 236 00:15:15,159 --> 00:15:20,200 have seen that ever since, a very radical leftist throw 237 00:15:20,559 --> 00:15:25,159 abortion movement in America that has turned very violent. How 238 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:31,519 how was Susan b Anthony America impacted by all of that? 239 00:15:32,679 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 2: Well, first, I just do want to say, because I was, 240 00:15:35,559 --> 00:15:38,399 I ended that last comment on a complete downer, like 241 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,919 the disappointment of of that not availing ourselves of the 242 00:15:43,279 --> 00:15:46,480 of the of that contrast. But I but this is 243 00:15:46,519 --> 00:15:48,799 one thing that is very true, and that is that 244 00:15:49,919 --> 00:15:52,519 it is really easy to run against Comma's position if 245 00:15:52,519 --> 00:15:54,600 you want to, and it can be done. And when 246 00:15:54,639 --> 00:15:57,840 we'll be done and this, this, this is the central 247 00:15:58,159 --> 00:16:00,240 of all of the work that we do, Ja, your 248 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,879 question every day is in battlegrounds, door to door, talking 249 00:16:03,919 --> 00:16:08,840 to voters and through other means as well, providing that contrast, 250 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,480 talking about other options for women, trying to bound the 251 00:16:12,519 --> 00:16:17,039 whole thing in compassion and the actual experience as you 252 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,840 allude to, of people in the real world who every 253 00:16:19,919 --> 00:16:23,120 day know somebody who's had an abortion. They themselves may 254 00:16:23,159 --> 00:16:28,440 have this issue hits people differently. It's not like lobbing 255 00:16:28,519 --> 00:16:31,080 for capital gains or estate taxes. This is something that 256 00:16:31,159 --> 00:16:33,720 is some people have never talked about in their lives. 257 00:16:33,759 --> 00:16:36,840 We find that at the door that they, even if 258 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,799 they may be pro life for reasons, have never told anybody. 259 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,919 And that's because of the damage done that The sixty 260 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:47,559 million children died under row and sixty million women lives 261 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,440 were altered, and the ripple effect of that is something 262 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,440 that we will only understand in the next life, the 263 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,559 deep damage that that is. So while it is a 264 00:16:58,559 --> 00:17:02,120 political issue and we have to we have to act 265 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:06,240 on that moral imperative, it is also way beyond politics 266 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:11,000 what this reality has done to the souls into the 267 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:15,519 physical health of the people of this country. I really 268 00:17:15,559 --> 00:17:18,039 think of it very much like I just my mind 269 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:21,200 always goes back to the other big landmark decisions that 270 00:17:21,279 --> 00:17:25,559 our country has at the moment did not celebrate, but 271 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,839 in the long run we came to know them as 272 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:32,160 of course, who could think anything different of segregation, But 273 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,440 at the time it was definitely not embraced by much 274 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:37,039 of the country. 275 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:42,759 Speaker 1: Same here, Yeah, I mean, this is a liberty life 276 00:17:42,759 --> 00:17:45,559 and liberty issue at its core, and it's a founding 277 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:52,480 liberty issue at its core, because whether folks want to 278 00:17:52,519 --> 00:17:55,480 deny this, in modern day America or not, we are 279 00:17:55,559 --> 00:17:59,599 built on Judeo Christian principles. This country is built on them. 280 00:17:59,599 --> 00:18:04,519 It's all built on the principles of the freedom of religion, 281 00:18:04,559 --> 00:18:07,960 the freedom to follow your own conscience. But at its 282 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,920 very core, and it remains, but it is in peril today, 283 00:18:12,559 --> 00:18:19,000 this Judeo Christian conscience that the least among us need 284 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:23,359 the most protection. And I cannot think of the more 285 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:29,400 least among us in terms of the weakness, the weakened 286 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,799 position that they are in without a voice, the unborn 287 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:38,440 in America. And you know, as as we take a 288 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:44,160 look at the political campaign going on now, the heated 289 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:49,759 battle between former President Donald Trump and the presumptive Democrat 290 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:55,839 nominee Kamala Harris, Joe Biden's vice president, there is a 291 00:18:56,119 --> 00:19:02,480 massive reinvention going on of I'mala Harris today should be 292 00:19:02,519 --> 00:19:07,759 evident to anybody with eyes and ears. But Kamala Harris, 293 00:19:07,799 --> 00:19:13,039 of course, over these last or over these next several weeks, 294 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,799 is now being billed as someone different than she is, 295 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:23,880 than what she was, And obviously that is all by design. 296 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:29,799 But I know that there are a lot of conservatives 297 00:19:30,319 --> 00:19:35,200 pro life conservatives, and the folks at Susan B. Anthony 298 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,319 Pro Life America are spending a great deal of time 299 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:43,240 reminding people that the reinvented Kamala Harris is not the 300 00:19:43,279 --> 00:19:48,880 real Kamala Harris. What should Americans know about this presidential 301 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,920 candidate on the topic of pro life, Well, that. 302 00:19:53,039 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 2: Is the question for the next few months, but it 303 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,920 should begin with this. We just experienced it passing of 304 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:07,920 potentially the nomination from an uncomfortably pro choice president to 305 00:20:08,039 --> 00:20:13,279 an aggressively pro abortion nominee in Kama Harris. This has 306 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:20,000 been the central organizing factor in her whole political life. 307 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:24,559 I sat in all the all the hearings for Justice Kavanaugh, 308 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,440 and she was at the tip oftha sphere of the grilling. 309 00:20:27,599 --> 00:20:30,039 And I will tell you she did not come across 310 00:20:30,519 --> 00:20:35,519 as silly and incomprehensible as she does often naturally. She 311 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,599 came across it dogged, paired, was gone for the jugular, 312 00:20:40,039 --> 00:20:42,480 and I thought did a pretty pretty good job looking 313 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,920 looking at it from their perspective. So I don't underestimate 314 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,559 her ability to get done what she wants to get done, 315 00:20:48,599 --> 00:20:51,359 and as you say, perhaps that part of the reinvention, 316 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,880 at least of the veneer of who she is. But 317 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:58,960 the veneer should not persuade anyone she's anything other than 318 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:04,200 who she is and what she is shutting down pregnancy centers. 319 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:08,759 There can be no option except for abortion for pregnancies 320 00:21:08,759 --> 00:21:13,000 that are surprised. Abortion is it. That's what pro abortion is, 321 00:21:13,519 --> 00:21:18,599 and it harkens back to the original or like the 322 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,640 you and I remember Patricia Schroede and Barbara Boxer. Some 323 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,319 people listening may not, but they they were hardcore and 324 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,599 they went out of favor because it was you know, 325 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,039 if you have any self respect, you will get rid 326 00:21:30,079 --> 00:21:32,920 of that impediment to your success. Was the message that 327 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,200 came through to young women like me, and it was repellent. 328 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,400 Kamala's position is repellent. And I still think there is 329 00:21:40,519 --> 00:21:43,200 enough goodness in the hearts of real people across the country, 330 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:47,000 especially who live in battleground states that will come across 331 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:51,640 as repellent closing down pregnancy centers being for a bill 332 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,839 when this is the reason to pet to oppose the 333 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,559 entire Democratic slate with her at the top. Therefore, one 334 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,680 bill called the oddly named Women's Health Protection Act that 335 00:22:03,799 --> 00:22:07,359 would wipe out every single pro life protection in the country. 336 00:22:07,599 --> 00:22:10,720 There are twenty four states have strong pro life protections 337 00:22:11,279 --> 00:22:15,759 gestational limits either at the beginning at six weeks, a 338 00:22:15,759 --> 00:22:18,680 couple of them at twelve weeks, all gone, along with 339 00:22:18,759 --> 00:22:21,680 all the other things surrounding the abortion Act, like who 340 00:22:21,799 --> 00:22:27,400 gives permission, how are they performed, what circumstances get all 341 00:22:27,519 --> 00:22:32,440 that wiped out, all that work and taking back the 342 00:22:32,519 --> 00:22:37,000 ability for real people in real states to have their 343 00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:41,359 true convictions reflected in their own laws. And so I 344 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,799 do want to say that the contract there between Kamala 345 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:49,880 and Trump is Trump's position is as a state's only 346 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:54,759 position is at least to protect state's ability to have 347 00:22:55,759 --> 00:22:59,039 to build their own consensus pats their own laws. She 348 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,400 is not for that. So that is a contrast that 349 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:06,720 really should and does work when communicated. She's also, uh, 350 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,799 you know when people when David de Leiden, a whistle 351 00:23:09,839 --> 00:23:15,160 blower about plant in plant planned parent had whistleblower revealed 352 00:23:15,319 --> 00:23:18,079 the horror at the heart of the trafficking of unborn 353 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,960 of of unborn children, the little little baby lives used 354 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,359 for experiments and the and the cost for each of 355 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:29,200 those The harvesting of those little guys and girls to 356 00:23:29,279 --> 00:23:33,319 be used for experiments. When when that was revealed, she 357 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,759 shut that whole Uh, she shut it all down, that 358 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:43,119 whole investigation, and prosecuted the one who the whistle blower, 359 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,680 David d Lyden, who did that work. So you know, 360 00:23:46,839 --> 00:23:51,200 she's called by what she's called Biden's abortions are because 361 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,640 she is that person, just like the border she It 362 00:23:54,799 --> 00:23:59,880 is her primary passion and is what animates her. She 363 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,480 believes what I used to believe, that whether you could 364 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,400 have an abortion or not was a measure of whether 365 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,240 you were empowered, whether you were strong, whether people respected 366 00:24:08,279 --> 00:24:10,480 you or not. And we know how wrong that is. 367 00:24:12,559 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: Absolutely amazing times these but I think that Americans across 368 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,400 history have said the same thing. But these are indeed 369 00:24:20,839 --> 00:24:26,559 our comedy. Marjorie Danenfelzer, president of Susan B. Anthony Pro 370 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,279 Life America, joining us on this edition of the Federalist 371 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:35,400 Radio Hour. Let's not forget as well, that this is 372 00:24:35,559 --> 00:24:39,319 a party, Kamala at the head of a party that 373 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:45,359 would imprison pastors for speaking their minds and for following 374 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:50,160 their conscience on pro life issues. That's what's lost in 375 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,480 this conversation to the liberty aspect. 376 00:24:54,559 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 2: That's right. The Second Amendment, your just ability to gather, 377 00:24:57,599 --> 00:25:01,880 your ability to protest your ability would which the that 378 00:25:02,039 --> 00:25:05,359 bite has been felt by those who are freely praying 379 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:10,799 in front of pregnancy sinners or yes, or using the 380 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,480 attorney the office of the Attorney General to go after 381 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,720 to go after pro life people who are helping women 382 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,480 with more than one option when they find themselves in 383 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:26,519 a surprise situation. I think, look, you don't have to 384 00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:30,839 be religious to believe that taking the lives of really 385 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:36,119 little people is wrong. But if you ever, if you 386 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,279 might be surprising that. But it was exciting to us 387 00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:47,559 that on June twenty second, when the decision came down 388 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,799 on the Dobs decision, it came down at ten ten 389 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:54,400 in the morning, and I just looked up tent and 390 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,359 in John ten ten it says the thief comes to 391 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,960 steal and destroy, but I have come to give life 392 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:05,880 and give it abundantly, don't. I think they're sure it 393 00:26:06,039 --> 00:26:07,839 could be an accident at the time, But to us 394 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,319 it was an inspiration in our team here that you know, 395 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,359 win or lose, we're going to keep fighting and we'll 396 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,119 always choose the next most strategic position that we can 397 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,079 to advance life, and that's where we are now looking 398 00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:25,440 for the next try to prevent block Kamala and the 399 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,759 House and Senate Democrats, and then to advance into the 400 00:26:28,759 --> 00:26:33,960 future with new pro life leadership in this country after 401 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,279 having learned a couple of tough lessons in the last 402 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:37,279 couple of years. 403 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: That's pretty powerful. I never you know, I never realized 404 00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:43,240 the time and all of that, and I wouldn't have 405 00:26:43,319 --> 00:26:49,720 necessarily connected that powerful scripture. But sometimes messages are sent 406 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:55,400 in very interesting ways. I found that in my fifty 407 00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:00,200 plus years on this earth. Yes, So as we we 408 00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:06,400 move forward in this election cycle, will do you do 409 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,440 you have any faith that corporate media in this country 410 00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:17,119 will show Americans Tamala Harris's actual record as opposed to 411 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,960 the reinvented Kamala Harris. 412 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, they love the reinvented is to basically ignore what 413 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,160 her real position is. So do I have a lot 414 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,519 of faith. I'm not going to probably begin now in 415 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,640 believing in that corporate media ability. I will always turn 416 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,519 back to you and reliable sources. I do say this though, 417 00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:41,720 I do believe this because it's been true in the 418 00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:47,599 past that when candidates themselves speak, speak well and in 419 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,680 high profile moment moments, it cuts through and forces the 420 00:27:51,839 --> 00:27:55,960 correct reporting to occur. So that when our candidates at 421 00:27:56,039 --> 00:28:02,039 least are communicating that contrast, that gift of how reasonable 422 00:28:02,079 --> 00:28:05,640 their position is in contrast to her or their Senate opponents, 423 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:10,440 that works. That actually cuts through all of the junk 424 00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:15,160 in the corporate media, and that is something that you know, 425 00:28:16,039 --> 00:28:18,720 I'm working really hard directly with those candidates to try 426 00:28:18,759 --> 00:28:21,880 to encourage them with the you know a little bit 427 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,640 of internal fortitude. Plus, hey, here's some suggested approaches to 428 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,319 how you're going to communicate. That's vital and the rest 429 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,440 us I guess we can't control, which is grateful for 430 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,359 outlets like federalists. 431 00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: Appreciate that these are to get the you know, the 432 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,319 full context of things, the impact of things. It's getting 433 00:28:47,319 --> 00:28:49,839 more and more difficult, even as we have more and 434 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,720 more news outlets, more sources of information out there. It 435 00:28:53,839 --> 00:28:57,880 seems like so often that the members of corporate media 436 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,039 let me let me retract that portion of it seems 437 00:29:01,079 --> 00:29:04,200 is not the case. It is so often that they're 438 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,759 singing from the same hymnal more mission mission reporting than 439 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,799 just letting people know, you know, what the facts are. 440 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:19,079 So that's the disadvantage particularly so called low information voters have. 441 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:24,079 So how important is it for efforts from conservatives pro 442 00:29:24,119 --> 00:29:27,119 life conservatives to do the door to door That's always 443 00:29:27,119 --> 00:29:31,359 been important, but I would imagine that is that much 444 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:37,279 more urgent now for organizations like Susan B. Anthony Pro 445 00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:38,039 Life America. 446 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, you remember when pal Palin gave that great speech, 447 00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:45,519 said what happened? You know, eventually she faded, but she 448 00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:47,720 did give a great speech at the convention long ago. 449 00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:54,519 You know, where she's communicating self, describing herself, beking over 450 00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:57,720 the heads of the media, directly to the people. And 451 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,400 I think that is exactly what we do on the ground. 452 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,160 You know, we cut We don't rely just on the 453 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,759 media to communicate to voters what the choice is that 454 00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:13,880 they have before them. So communicating, you know, directly to 455 00:30:14,519 --> 00:30:22,079 friends who vote with UH at you know, at church friends, 456 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,960 all that is important. Our program finds the right people 457 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,279 to talk to, meaning people who may not vote unless 458 00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:31,880 they get a nudge, or people who are sort of 459 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,240 on the fence about UH. They're they're basically pro life, 460 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,680 but they also are kind of democrat leaning. That that 461 00:30:38,839 --> 00:30:41,680 type of voter and all the all the battle grounds, 462 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,119 so that that is really important to cut through everything 463 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,640 go directly to the voter. And as we get closer 464 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,359 to the election, it gets harder and harder to break 465 00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:54,640 through because there's so much information going in. That's why 466 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,880 we start our Our program started last October, so it 467 00:30:59,319 --> 00:31:02,960 so you're way ahead of other and so we're just 468 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,480 giving it was before the candidates were set. You're just 469 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:10,440 basically giving the what the democratic position is. So so 470 00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:12,440 it is it is vital. And I just wanted to 471 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,640 add one thing to just to be fair because on 472 00:31:14,759 --> 00:31:18,279 several mainstream media interviews that I've been on or and 473 00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:22,079 then I've later seen subsequent interviews, some in the in 474 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,920 the mainstream media or corporate media have asked the right 475 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,839 question of democratic candidates. Dana bash is won what is 476 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,039 your limit? Can you name a limit? Because that's the 477 00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:37,079 right question that that made that corporate media doesn't ask 478 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,640 and some of that. So I want to fan those planes. 479 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,759 What is your limit is the one question that we 480 00:31:43,839 --> 00:31:46,079 really want them to answer, and. 481 00:31:46,039 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: They won't repeat it. They want you to know, Yeah, exactly, 482 00:31:50,359 --> 00:31:53,200 because because if if you know and if you have 483 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:59,359 any conscious whatsoever. You know, most most people, whether they 484 00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:06,079 believe in abortion in this country, do have their limits. 485 00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:10,119 But the Democrat Party doesn't seem to have that limit. 486 00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:14,480 We talked about this before, what a Kamala Harris presidency 487 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:20,359 would look like? What would a Donald Trump presidency look like? 488 00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:26,000 And I say that with the perspective of history, we 489 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,119 already have been through this. We know what a Donald 490 00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:34,119 Trump presidency was. It was an absolute onslaught, an absolute 491 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,920 attack on a daily basis by leftist Marxist leftist in 492 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,799 this country and the accomplished media that we've talked about. 493 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:50,799 Are you concerned about the state of America? And I 494 00:32:50,839 --> 00:32:54,480 don't mean that to say, hey, we shouldn't vote for 495 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,000 people who are going to represent the best interest of 496 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,119 this republic. I'm just talking about the realities of what 497 00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:05,079 many see as the violence to come in a second 498 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,039 Donald Trump administration. 499 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:14,039 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, so fear is always the enemy. We've been 500 00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:18,279 talking about this this whole interview. And when fear overcomes, 501 00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:22,079 bad things happen. So you don't want the good guys 502 00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:24,519 to be afraid. And then Berke, you know, all it 503 00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:26,480 takes is for able to prevail, as good people do 504 00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:29,039 nothing here all the time, and that is true. So yes, 505 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,960 we have to vote for the person who's going to 506 00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:36,039 do the best to defend the unborn and the republic 507 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:41,759 and not fear backlash, not assume that we can't handle it, 508 00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:45,559 like people assume a woman can't. You know, a woman 509 00:33:45,599 --> 00:33:48,119 doesn't have the inner resources and creativity and love to 510 00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:51,799 handle and unplanned pregnancy. Let's don't assume a republic can't 511 00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:56,240 handle what might happen. So and and I think that 512 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,960 that is you know, these are the proving grounds often 513 00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:06,079 of of democracy, its ability to survive and encourage I'm 514 00:34:06,359 --> 00:34:08,840 encouraged in the last I might be the only one, 515 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,639 but in the last several years because of the argument 516 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:19,760 that the argument by example that our country and our 517 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:25,199 founding founding can survive and has survived despite all of 518 00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:29,239 the histrionics and all the guttural screams when there are 519 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:34,239 things that happened that leftists didn't like, like when Trump 520 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,679 was first elected, that everything was going to fall apart. 521 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,320 Democracy has gone, people in head scars are going to 522 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:47,599 be imprisoned. None of it happened, and so at least 523 00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:49,800 that should we I mean, it should be a lesson 524 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,280 that we as a nation have learned not just left 525 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,440 rights but all of us that we can withstand these moments, 526 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,679 and we will, and in the middle of it, we're 527 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,519 still going to fight for for the principles that at 528 00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:05,280 the core of our failing documents, namely the unborn right. 529 00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:12,039 But how how Trump would would run and and govern, 530 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,079 I think it's not going to be that different from well, 531 00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:20,360 maybe a little milder. I stn't know, but I but 532 00:35:20,519 --> 00:35:26,559 because he's not running again. But I think that we uh, 533 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,320 no matter what, will be involved as and we will 534 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:36,400 collectively in trying trying to make sure that the what 535 00:35:36,519 --> 00:35:40,039 happens in this administration is as good as it was 536 00:35:40,679 --> 00:35:43,000 in the next uh. And I mean I'm talking about 537 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,480 from the pro life perspective, because it was the thorough 538 00:35:45,519 --> 00:35:49,519 going pro life administration, just without question. And that's what 539 00:35:49,559 --> 00:35:50,119 we see. 540 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 1: Again, well, very good. The next several weeks in this 541 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,719 country will be very telling from what we've seen over 542 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:04,280 the past weeks in this country, there's a good degree 543 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:09,039 of anxiety, and understandably so. But in this time and 544 00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:12,159 every generation, as we have talked about throughout this interview, 545 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:17,320 has its own set of challenges, difficulties, obstacles, but it 546 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,960 just seems so much that everything has been turned on 547 00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:25,639 its head over this last decade or so in this 548 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:30,239 country where where you know, there are a lot of 549 00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:35,639 people in this country who really believe that they are 550 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,840 good and they are doing what is right and righteous 551 00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:44,400 by supporting abortion on demand, any time, anywhere, and they 552 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,599 have been propped up and supported in that opinion again 553 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:53,440 by actors and institutions in this country that you know, 554 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,559 believe the same thing. And so these are very difficult 555 00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:00,960 times for the pro life movement meant as they have 556 00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:05,880 been over the fifty years before Roe v. Wade was 557 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,440 thankful knocked out by a Supreme Court that Donald Trump 558 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,519 thankfully put together. 559 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,159 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I'm sure you could name the number of 560 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,960 times that the pro life movement has been proclaimed dead 561 00:37:20,199 --> 00:37:23,800 in the last yes, oh yeah, pretty much every cycle. 562 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,880 This is really no different and there is no you 563 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,920 can argue, but there is a reality. It's organic. It 564 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,039 has nothing to do with uh probably people getting involved, 565 00:37:34,039 --> 00:37:37,039 has nothing to do with any money they want, generally 566 00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:41,039 not you know, not thinking about political power. But once activated, 567 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,599 it is the sleeping giant. And we've seen that in 568 00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:46,599 the last several years, and it is not going to 569 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,119 got not going away, it's just getting stronger and getting younger. 570 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,280 And so I have great hope in that. 571 00:37:54,119 --> 00:37:57,639 Speaker 1: It's kind of the Mark Twain idea, or at least 572 00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:01,599 what he's supposed to have said, that reports of this 573 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,519 organization's demise have been greatly exaggerated. 574 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:11,039 Speaker 2: Yes, here, I am telling you so without question. Also, 575 00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:14,559 the other thing is like I'm just dying for people 576 00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:16,840 to get a sense of history. It's going to be 577 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,239 very difficult, but to go back to the original sisters. 578 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,039 Some people call them the suffragists, the people the women 579 00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:26,000 who were involved really early on trying to open doors 580 00:38:26,039 --> 00:38:28,840 for women to be involved in politics, namely just vote 581 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:33,039 and then get involved. They were all against abortion, all 582 00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:36,239 of them. They saw it as the ultimate exploitation of women. 583 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:41,199 They knew what it meant to severe maternal rights and 584 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,480 the rights of the unborn child when those were separated, 585 00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:47,760 that it was never good for women. And you didn't 586 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,840 have to they didn't need to be told. They had, 587 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,719 you know, they already they had the instinct to love 588 00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:02,599 their protect they and the separation of that is a 589 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,360 has been so damaging to the inner resources and self 590 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,320 real self actualization of women in this modern time. Just 591 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,239 go back to all of them, and they were really 592 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,760 clear that this was an abomination. 593 00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:24,559 Speaker 1: It's so very foundational. As we talked about before, it 594 00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:30,599 begins that promise of that city on the hill, life, liberty, 595 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,920 then the pursuit of happiness, but life first. Thanks to 596 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:40,920 my guest today, Marjorie Danenfelzer, president of Susan B. Anthony 597 00:39:41,199 --> 00:39:44,559 Pro Life, very much appreciate the time and the conversation. 598 00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:46,280 Speaker 2: Well's been in time with you. 599 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,039 Speaker 1: Thank you, you bet God bless you and your work ahead. 600 00:39:49,519 --> 00:39:52,280 You've been listening to another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. 601 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,159 I'm Matt Kittle, Senior correspondent at the Federalist. We'll be 602 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,719 back soon with more. Until then, stay lovers of freedom. 603 00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:01,440 I'm anxious for the fray.