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to the podcast, Uh don't really have any house cleaning
to do this week, so we are just going to
get right and to as Jerry would say, We're going
to get into the meat of things. On this episode,
Jerry and Tracy discussed the gruesome history and the haunting
of the Tower of London. Afterwards, The Late and Great
Feel Home stops by and weighs in on the Tower
and talks about his podcast Scared. I don't even know
if you can still listen to Scared. I'm going to
jump on my phone and see. I'm got a feeling
proudly not let's all you want. That man had a
voice for the radio that anybody, anybody would envy me included.
So with all that being said, kick back, relax and
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Speaker 2: Don't you know?
Speaker 4: Jerry and Tracy and live here. They're coming. They hear you,
They're here.
Speaker 8: Welcome to episode eighty five of Hillblie Horror Stories. My
name is Jerry and I'm joined by my wife Tracy. Hi, guys,
now that we have dogs barking all over the neighborhood,
We've got a cool show for you tonight. I'm excited
about this one, as I am every show you are.
Speaker 9: You're always excited.
Speaker 8: You know, some of these shows, the topics don't really
get my blood pumping until I start getting into the research.
And then the more research I do, the more I
get about it. So that's just the way it is.
Speaker 9: Well, I'm glad for your blood pumping, Fasco.
Speaker 8: And this story tonight. You guys weighed in on at
least the ones in the group. So if you're not
part of our group, he'll believe horror stories on Facebook.
You need to join up. We have a lot of
fun in there. And what I did earlier in the
week was I put a pole up and I listed
I don't know, it was like eight or nine topics.
Speaker 9: And he says, Poe, he means a stripper pole right
up in the bedroom.
Speaker 8: That was not because it would get unused.
Speaker 9: So Ninja was working it pretty good the other day.
Speaker 8: Well, we are close to Louisville, so there could have
been some Louisville cardinals in there. You never know. That's
why that's why we don't put stripper poles up. We
don't need them in our bedroom. So we put this
poll up. We put seven, eight, nine different topics on
there and told the listeners that you picked the stories
we'll do the next two weeks. So with the first
and second place, it would be this week's show, next
week's show, And it was actually a tie, so I
went ahead and went with the Tower of London. That's
the story we're doing tonight. Next week, we're going to
do a Robert the Dall reboot or revisit, I guess,
as Phil Holmes said, Speaking of which, Phil Holmes, the
host is Scared, will actually be on the Little Leedter
in this show talking a little bit about the Tower
of London and his show's scared awesome. So yeah, this
one's gonna be pretty cool. Before we get deep into
the story, though, I wanted to talk about some upcoming
guests we have. I just finished a couple of nights
ago an awesome interview with John E. L. Tenney. Most
of you will probably know who he is. If you don't,
you need to know who he is. This guy is
a all things weird guy. I mean I say that
in the nicest way. You'll hear in the interview.
Speaker 9: Very interesting.
Speaker 8: Yeah, this guy's he knows paranormal stuff, he knows cryptid stuff,
he knows UFO stuff. I mean, it's This guy is
a jack of all trades when it comes to weird,
and he's traveled the last twenty eight years doing lectures
on the weird. So I mean that as an utmost
compliment when I say weird, because that's what he would
prefer to be called. With that being said, that interview
will be on next week because we already have a
pretty full show. But upcoming guests we have Keith Linder.
You may not have heard of this guy, but he
has an awesome story documentary getting ready to come out,
a book coming out on the bothel Hell House, which
is man an unbelievable story that's up around the Seattle
Washington area. I know what's up in Washington. I think
it's close to Seattle though, And this guy has had
all kinds of demonic presences in his house. It's garnered
national attention. He's been on tons of different other paranormal shows.
He's been on a bunch of news channels, so it's
going to be fun to get his story. And then
Adam Barry, which most of you guys will know as
the co host of Kendred Spirits along with Amy Burney,
We're going to have him coming up, so the next
three weeks is going to be awesome for you guys,
guest wise, so I'm excited about that. And then we
started off tonight with fill homes from Scared. Tracy, go
ahead and let's jump in with the.
Speaker 9: I got some of my eyeball though not important.
Speaker 8: Oh my lordy, the listeners come first on with the show.
So before Tracy reads this week's iTunes reviews and Patreon supporters,
big shout out thank you to all of our military
civil servants all over the world and no matter which
country you work for, support thank you for everything you do.
Speaker 9: Yes, we appreciate you guys so much. I just don't
know if you realize how much you are appreciate it.
But we love you and we pray for you guys
all the time.
Speaker 8: All right, So Tracy iTunes reviews this week. We had
a bunch of them beginning.
Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, our first one was from Maelers and the
next one is pretty long numbers, but I'm going to
block it out. So it's sixty four, seventy three, eighty two,
ninety seven, forty six, forty six, thirty seven, eighty two,
eighty two.
Speaker 8: I'm assuming that's somebody's credit card number. Oh and that's
probably a next time spiation data.
Speaker 9: Oh my gosh, I hope that's not true. Dawn Magic
one sixty seven, Mike not Ike, I love it, fun
Guy two thousand and nine, Elizabeth nine two five four,
Deb fifteen sixty nine, s Burgas one thirty one zero
nine six Pixie. We can't thank you guys enough. Love
love the reviews. You guys are so awesome and it
just makes my day every day. So keep on bringing
those reviews on and we're gonna do our best to
keep bringing you the great stories you guys deserve.
Speaker 8: We also had a couple of new Patreon supporters this week.
Speaker 9: Thank you so much, Chelsea Smith, Leslie Tyler and Carol
and Dowd. Thank you guys so much. We really appreciate
you guys support just through iTunes, reviews Patreon. We love
you guys so much.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 8: We just released a Patreon episode earlier in the week
and it was Haunted Cincinnati, so we had a bunch
of stories from Cincinnati on there. We did.
Speaker 9: Those Eggo stories were good.
Speaker 8: I mean, you had the Cincinnati Zoo. Look, I'll be
a little bit of a spoiler alert. There was a
cemetery that back in the eighteen hundreds they had a
room that if you went through the cemetery too fast
in your car, they would arrest you and keep you overnight.
No way you heard that story.
Speaker 9: You know, I did hear it, but I don't know.
I just so I just still find it hard to believe.
Don't speed my god.
Speaker 8: We're going to give you all kinds of stuff that's
hard to believe tonight because we're going to talk about
the Infamous Tower of London. And what I like about
these stories is everybody's in the Game of Thrones. Yes
except for me because I've never seen it.
Speaker 9: Because of me, because I've never seen it either, But
every daughter has loves it. Where's their underwear?
Speaker 8: Their T shirt? So if you're glad you just threw
her thirty underwear the place. But the fact that so
many people are into it, I think this story may
actually mean a little more to you because most of
the stories have to do with similar to what you
see on there. This is real life Game of Thrones
right here, and got to imagine that's where most of
these stories were inspired by the things that happened in
England during the early early days. So let's go on
like we normally do. Let's do some history. The Tower
of London was built by William the Conqueror in one
thousand and seventy eight. That's a long time ago.
Speaker 9: It was a little bit before my time even.
Speaker 8: It's a complex of multiple buildings set within two rings
of walls built to keep intruders out, so you can
imagine back in the day. So that's kind of hard
to picture. But if you can pull pictures up so
you don't really have to picture it, that's true, and
we'll be posted some pictures tonight. Obviously, several expansions were
made over the year by different kings. They're in the
twelfth and the fifteenth century, so over the years there
have been several different modifications, I guess in additions made
to the tower, but it's still pretty much the original
layout from what it was in the beginning.
Speaker 9: That's very cool.
Speaker 8: The Towers of London has played a major role in
the history of England. You know. It's funny though, you
know we talk about over here. I guess it's all
about perspective. And I talk a little bit about this
with phill Holmes later, because obviously he lives in England.
And when I ask him the question about, hey, you know,
everybody over here says the most haunted place in the
world Tower of London, just without a doubt, almost everybody
says that. And I asked him about it and he says,
it doesn't even really come up on the list of
like top five ten over there. But you know, I
guess it's just like anything else. They may say Waverley,
we're right by Waverley and may say tower. So it's perspective.
I think. I think if it's close to.
Speaker 9: You, you know, it's like no big deal.
Speaker 8: I guess, yeah. But I think you'll find that part
of the conversation fascinating about when we get into perspective
from what England sees as most haunted as opposed to
what we see pretty cool. Like I said, you know,
the Tower of London has played a major role in England.
So it's been a treasury, it's been a public records
office and armory and the Royal Mint, and it is
currently the home of the Crown Jewels.
Speaker 9: Ooh nice, yep.
Speaker 8: You can't mention England's history without mentioning the Tower of London.
It's just that simple. It's been besieged several times. Kings
and conquerors believed that in order to control the country,
you had to control the tower. It was that simple,
and during the fifteenth century the tower was used as
a prison. The peak period of had actually being a
prison that was in the sixteenth and seventeenth century, though,
so it was a little bit later when it really
became well known as a prison. The use of the
tower as a prison made the term sent to the
Tower popular. Lots of prominent people were held captive there,
including Elizabeth I. So most people talk about the tower
being a place of death and torture, which you could imagine.
What most people will be surprised to find out is
there were actually on only seven people executed within the
walls of the tower.
Speaker 9: Well that's not very many, I mean, it's too many.
Speaker 8: But now up on the hill on the other hand,
there was one hundred and twelve executions in a four
hundred year period. Oh most of these executions were beheadings.
Oh my gosh, ninety three to be exact. Oh wow,
And there was eleven by firing squad that actually happened
during like the World Wars. Yeah, because there were some
people that was sent there from espionage. We'll get in
that just a little bit later. John Taylor and Anthony
Salvino restored the towers back to I guess its medieval
appearance the best that they could. They cleared out all
of the most medieval structures. Yeah, they kind of took
it back to the day when they took it over. Now,
during World War one and two they were using it
as a prison again, and once again, eleven men were
executed there for espionage. So that's where it gets into
well they do they Oh no, No, was badly damaged
during the blitz of World War two when they were
dropping all the bombs and stuff over there. They repaired
it and opened it up to the public, and today
the tower is carried for by the Historic Royal Palace.
Speaker 9: I wonder if they used cannonballs.
Speaker 8: I don't think they did in World War two.
Speaker 9: Oh no, I mean back in the other day, what
other day, the other day when they were fighting. Now,
no cannonballs, even in War War two.
Speaker 8: There's no possible way I can have two wives with cannonball.
Speaker 9: Stories if we don't want to talk about the other one.
Speaker 8: And okay, so I'm gonna tell the story, Okay, because
I don't know if she'll listen or not. So my
ex wife years and years ago, and keep in mind
she was young, so we'll use that as an excuse.
So we were having a talk. We lived really close
to Fort Knox, and Fort Knox would have I guess,
like not re enactments, but you know practices. I guess, yeah,
buck the better term maneuvers whatever they would call it,
where they actually shoot off the guns and you know
the kind of big weapons that we yea and yeah,
that's what exactly what would happened. We weren't that far
from it. So when they would do that, you could
hear the boom in the windows and stuff with her attle.
And my ex wife at one point and said, what
do they do with all those cannon balls?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 8: And I just smiled and looked at her and I said,
what cannon balls? She was thinking that they still use
cannon balls today.
Speaker 9: I was a little farther back. Come on now, oh
my gosh.
Speaker 8: So yeah, that story is kind of funny. But today,
the today, the towers are actually protected by the World
Heritage Site. It should come to no surprise that the
several ghosts reportedly haunt Towers Church and for either justice
or my guest heads.
Speaker 9: That's awful. We shouldn't at that.
Speaker 8: Well, they've been there for a long time. There's nothing
we do about it. We're going to cover some of
the most commonly seen ghosts and what I'm gonna do.
I've got a bunch of stories to show to get
Some of them are shorter, but some of the better
ones I saved for the end to get a little
more detail. This is just a pretty big topic and
I wanted to get to as many different stories as
I could, to try to cover as much as I can, because,
like I said, the Tower of London is not an
easy subject to get into, because I could have probably
picked fifty other stories to tell.
Speaker 9: Wow, good, I can't wait to hear.
Speaker 8: So I wanted to start with probably the most strange
of the spirits that haunt and it's in the Royal Menagerie.
It's the spirit of a bear. And this bear actually
lived there at.
Speaker 9: One point in time, like he had his own room.
Speaker 8: Well I don't think he had his own room. I
guess the question would be what the hell was a
bear doing there? First of all, don't curse at me, Okay,
I cursed it myself.
Speaker 9: I was gonna say when I curse.
Speaker 8: In twelvey ten, King John assembled a bunch of animals
at the time and he used them for fighting expositions.
Speaker 9: Oh I don't like that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, for spectators. So this was an awful practice, as
you can imagine, and it was pretty popular though with
the people. I'm thinking Michael Vick may have been involved.
Maybe not in twelve thousand ten, no, thanks so much.
But over the years it became somewhat of a makeshift
zoo where visitors could see strange beasts from all over
the world, including a polar bear. Now that's not what
they're seeing as a polar bear, they're seeing a regular bear.
But in eighteen thirty two, the Duke of Wellington moved
all the animals to the London Zoo, So I guess
that's a little better. Some believe that the troubled spirits
of these animals, including lions and monkeys, haunt the tower,
and obviously we've got the bear. So one guard said
that the ghost of this bear kind of charged at
him and then it disappeared as soon as he stabbed
it with his ban at.
Speaker 9: Oh wow, how you stab a ghost?
Speaker 8: Apparently you don't that's why I disappeared. Oh So, continuing
with the odd stories, the oldest tower is the White Tower.
This is where Henry the Eighth Armor is stored at Okay, Now,
people claim that when they walk into this room that
they feel this horrifying, crushing sensation that stays with them
the whole time that they're in there. Now, the minute
they leave, the feeling kind of goes away. Guards have
been attacked by unseen forces in there, and one was
actually covered and strangled by heading your you know, a
real big heavy cloak. Yeah, and he said that when
he finally got free, he looked around, you know, he
got the thing off and looked around, and there was
nobody in the room with him. So but something was
covering with this and like forcing it down on him.
Speaker 9: So like the other people before, they that was it.
Mostly that they couldn't breathe because they felt the pressure
or like.
Speaker 8: That what you're talking yet a little bit of that
and just the fact of like a heaviness of what
something's wrong, like you know, kind of like you feel
it a right after you gets some really bad news
or something like that. Another guard stopped to rest his feet,
he took his shoes off, and right afterwards he heard
a whisper behind him say, it's only you and I here.
Speaker 9: Oh.
Speaker 8: I'm guessing pretty soon it was just the other person,
because he probably got the hell out of there. I'm sure,
but nobody's really sure if the spirit's Hunry the Eighth
or some other malevolent spirit. But it's obviously not a
good spirit.
Speaker 2: That is.
Speaker 8: So let's get into some of the more popular stories
just of people. And what I'll do is I'll kind
of break it down a little bit about the history
of that person and what happened to them and then
what we've seen ghost wise. And this is going to
be a big history lesson, for it's more history than paranormal.
But I think it's going to be very enjoyable. So
Lady Arbella Stuart, Lady Stuart was the second cousin of
Queen Elizabeth First, which we've already said. She spent some
time in the tower as a prisoner's secretly married William Seymour,
who was the nephew of Lady Jane Gray. Now we're
going to get into a great story of Lady Jane
Gray a little bit later, but it's irrelevant at this moment.
This pissed off King James the first that she had
this secret marriage, because after they got married, he saw
them as a threat to the throne, which we're going
to see a lot of in most of these stories.
So he sent both of them to the tower, her
husband William Seymour, and Lady Arabella. They tried to escape.
Unfortunately it was not really successful because what she tried
to do was get on a ship and stow away,
but somebody recognized her on the ship, so they sent
her back. She was supposed to rendezvous and meet up
with William Seymour, but he missed it. He missed the boat,
He missed the boat. She got sent back and then
he still got away. So he ended up going to
like France or something like that, and they never saw
each other again.
Speaker 9: Oh my gosh, let somebody have to be a snitch
for okay.
Speaker 4: Happen?
Speaker 8: So heart broken, she refused to eat and she died
in the tower in sixteen fifteen. She said to haunt
the Queen's House, Well, we'll get into the Queen's House
a whole bunch in here. The governor of the Tower
lived right here in these rooms from nineteen ninety four
to two thousand and six. He reported one time that
his wife was pushed so violently by an unseen force
that it knocked her completely out of the room and
into the hallway.
Speaker 9: Oh wow.
Speaker 8: Other people have seen her walking around the grounds of
the tower just kind of weeping.
Speaker 9: So water though she was didn't eat and all that
because she was sad she got caught, or that she
was pissed off. He didn't try to come back and fetcher.
Speaker 8: Well, I don't think anybody's gonna be coming back. And
I don't think they definitely fetched anybody back in the day.
Speaker 2: You don't know.
Speaker 8: That was more of a I don't think they were
ye old fetch ye old. I guess maybe they did.
Speaker 9: They might have. And that's really a very sad story.
Speaker 8: It is a sad story. And that's just the beginning
of several sad stories. No good stories in here.
Speaker 4: Just so you know.
Speaker 8: Margaret de la Pole, she was a stripper. I just kidding.
In fifteen forty one, the tower saw one of its
most gruesome boshed executions in the history of the tower.
Speaker 9: Oh my gosh, what happened.
Speaker 8: Margaret de la Poe was the Countess of Salisbury, loved
their steaks. Don't you like Salisbury's stakes?
Speaker 9: No, Jerry, get on with the program.
Speaker 8: She was arrested and sent to the tower as an
enemy of the state. Now because her son, I get this.
She didn't do anything wrong. It's because of her son.
He was a cardinal and he denounced Henry the eighth
as head of the Church of England. Well, unfortunately for Margaret,
her son was in France, so Henry took his anger
out on her. Dear old mom. When they brought her
to the scaffold to be head her, she refused to kneel.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, you have to kneel, Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 8: She basically said that traders kneel, and I'm not a trailer.
She said it in a more arrogant way, but that's right,
that's what it meant. And yeah, you're right. Let's let's
cover that a little bit. Picture everybody has thought of,
Like when they do the hangings, they got the you know,
the scaffold, same situation. It's basically a stage. They have
a block, a wooden block that sits on the scaffold,
and you get down on your knees and you lay
your throat on that block. That's how it works. So yeah,
you I couldn't imagine here, go ahead and get down
on your knees and just people volunteerily doing that when
they're getting ready to have their head cut off. Yeah,
but that is exactly how they went down. So well,
she came from a noble background, so she's you know,
a lot of kings, queen's duke, stuff like that in
her in her family. So she was a pretty prominent person.
So about a hundred and fifty people were there to
see her execution. When executioner raise his acts, she took
off running, so he chased her around, hacking at her
until she was dead.
Speaker 9: I'm sorry, it's not funny.
Speaker 8: That's not funny at all.
Speaker 9: It isn't funny. I can just picture that is not funny.
Speaker 8: Like some Benny Hill music, the playing around.
Speaker 9: But listen, why couldn't her famous family protect her?
Speaker 8: Kings and queens were being killed on a regular basis,
There was no protecting from any once again, the whole
Game of Thrones type thing.
Speaker 9: Oh, I don't watch that, so I don't know what
the heck.
Speaker 8: I don't want it either, but I know what it means. Okay,
the screams of Margaret are frequently heard at the sight
of her at the where the scaffold is, where her
visitors claim that they've seen a reenactment. Oh my gosh,
like this just plays out over and over where people
can see it, even though she runs faster, she's up
on she's up on a.
Speaker 9: Little Oh I thought she jumped off of it.
Speaker 8: No. No, Then we got maybe the most famous ghost
of all of it, Queen Anne Boleyn. Now she was
the second wife of Henry the Eighth. This is a
very sad story too. She was accused of adultery and
incest with her brother George.
Speaker 9: Well, that's gross.
Speaker 8: She was beheaded at the tower at fifteen thirty six.
Before her execution though, and this is right before, she
told the crowd not to blame her husband. Now you
would think that would mean, well, I mean, she's guilty,
So not the case. She said that Henry made up
these charges so that he could remarry, so he could
get a male heir to the throne, because apparently she
couldn't have kids.
Speaker 9: Well, that's not her fault.
Speaker 8: Her fault or not. She had her head cut off.
Speaker 9: Well, I guess i'd never heard of friends with benefits
back in the day. Look if he's coming to me
and say, hey, you can't give me no kids, So
you're either gonna let me have sex with another or
I'm gonna cut your head off. What do you think
I'm gonna say, sex it up, do it, don't cut
my head off. That's what I would say.
Speaker 8: I don't know that you would say that or.
Speaker 1: Not I would.
Speaker 9: I don't want my head cut.
Speaker 8: Off around like a bowl and ball. At least I
know what my options are.
Speaker 9: There you go. Everybody heard it, So there you go.
Don't be heading me.
Speaker 8: I just can't imagine a situation to where this is
somebody that you're married to and just because she can't
get okay, get it? Have you ever heard of a divorce?
Speaker 9: Hello, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: AND's usually seen near the site of her execution and
in the Queen's House because we talked about the Queen's
House the last time. It's called the Queen's House because
Henry the Eighth had it built four n Queen Anne.
Sometimes she's seen at the altar of the chapel where
her body is towards I guess she's buried in there.
One guard tells the story of seeing a hoodedge figure
in that area, he said, despite the guard's direct order
to pretty much leave and get out of there, the
figure just kept approaching him, and once it started coming quicker,
he decided to charge with the figure, and he pulled
out his bonet and about that time he realized that
the figure there a had no head and he ran
right through it.
Speaker 9: Oh my gosh, are you kidding? Because he didn't have
no head and he coudn't see knowing why balls but I.
Speaker 8: Don't think that Maybe it's because it was just a
spirit man.
Speaker 9: That that is some hardcore crab man.
Speaker 8: I would not want to I was gonna say, it's
just that.
Speaker 9: It's the craziest stuff I've ever heard.
Speaker 8: So now let's talk about Anne's cousin, Catherine Howard, because
she actually suffered the same fate as Anne and her
head cut off. Her ghost is seen in Hampton Court
where she briefly escaped from the guards, who then you know,
caught up with her and arrested her. But she ran
down the hall to plead her for life with Henry
and he was attending mass inside the chapel, you know,
because being a good guy that he has got the
Church of this endured.
Speaker 9: Please forgive me, God, I'm about to behead another person
in the name of the follower of the Son in
the Holy Spirit. Give me a break.
Speaker 8: So this didn't really do any good because you know
they caught her and she was beheaded anyway.
Speaker 9: Well, she wouldn't beheaded in the church, I hope.
Speaker 8: No they didn't. Well they didn't just catch up with
her like they did, you know, your girl. They wouldn't
chase her down.
Speaker 9: This ism make my stomach hurt.
Speaker 8: Well, there's play more so your stomach would be. You
need some antacid or something for this is with Now
we got the ghost of Edmund Bonner. He was the
Bishop of London and supposedly he haunts bethanal Green, which
is another part up there. Edmund had a few fun nicknames.
Bloody Bonner was one of his names, that's fun. He
gained it from his persecution of Protestants under Mary the
First Ring. He used to own property there. That's why
they have Bonner Road and Bonner Street and it's all
named after him. So not too much on him. But
he's one of the ones you see. Now here's the
name everybody will know. But I didn't know a whole
lot about this gentleman until.
Speaker 2: I did some research.
Speaker 8: So it's kind of cool. Sir Walter Riley's ghost has
been spotted at the Tower. He was imprisoned there for
thirteen years. I had no food that yeah, So everybody
knows he was a big explorer and all that stuff
YE did. Well. He's got kind of a unique story
because he's also seen in Devon in Beddington in South London,
where he owned some land there too. So legend has
it that his wife arranged to have his body secretly
buried at the church there at Beddington, but historical research
actually states that he was buried at Saint Margaret in
Westminster after he was executed in sixteen eighteen. I thought
I wanted to dig a little bit into who Sir
Walter Riley was and how this happened, because I've heard
of him my entire life. I never had a clue
that he was executed.
Speaker 2: And all this stuff.
Speaker 8: So so here's what happened. During Elizabeth's reign. Sir Walter
Riley actually organized three major expeditions to America, including the
first English settlement in America in fifteen eighty seven, which
was Rowanoke the whole missing you know, the missing colony
and all that stuff. So that didn't really work out
real well for I don't guess. Rolly later fell out
of favor with Queen Elizabeth after she learned that he
had a secret marriage to again lady by the name
of Bessie Throckmorton.
Speaker 4: What about it?
Speaker 8: How'd you like to have that name? But I need
to be executed just for that. This really kind of pissed,
you know, Elizabeth off because Bessie was one of her
maids of honor at her wedding, so I guess she
kind of felt like that that was betrayal, which you know,
once again she's already married. Don't understand what the problem is.
So she turned around and imprisoned Sir Walter Raley and
Bessie in the Tower of London. He was able to
buy his freedom, so I guess if you had enough money,
you could buy your freedom. So Sir Walter Raley formally
married Bessie and distanced itself from the jealous queen because
you can imagine problems you could run into. So after
Elizabeth died in eighteen or sixteen oh three, Sir Walter
Raley was implicated as a foe of King James the
First and imprisoned with a death sentence. So they thought
they had like a coup working against him to try
to overthrow him. They put in and gave them the
death penalty, but the death sentence was commuted a little
bit later, and in sixteen sixteen, Sir Walter Riley was
freed to go lead an expedition into the New World again,
this time to establish a gold mine in the Orinoco
River region of South America. But this was a big disaster.
It was a big failure. It didn't work. So when
he got back to England, the death sentence of sixteen
oh three was invoked against him.
Speaker 9: Why did he go back to England?
Speaker 8: I guess he had to, but he probably didn't think
there was gonna amount to anything.
Speaker 9: So he thought he was just gonna go back. Hey, y'all,
what's up.
Speaker 8: I mean, they let him out to go do this exposition,
you know, this expedition. So but anyway, that's a little
bit of history on Sir walk But he hunts all
kinds of different parts of him apparently. So let's talk
to everybody knows Henry the Eighth. Let's talk about King
Henry the sixth, So if you haven't noticed already, most
of the grizzly deaths in the Tower were like a
real life game of Thrones like we've talked about. So
King Henry was the only son of Henry the fifth.
He was in line to inherit the English and the
French throne. I don't know how you inherited both. He that,
but that's what he was in line for. Henry to
six seemed to always find hisself into some kind of
royal squirmish. I mean, I don't know what his problem was,
but there was always something going on. And in fourteen
seventy one, during the Wars of the Roses, which I
didn't even realize that movie was out then, I guess.
Speaker 9: That was it's a good movie, though it is a
good movie.
Speaker 8: Henry the sixth was imprisoned by the House of York
at the Tower. An initial report said that Henry died
broken hearted of an illness in the Tower May twenty first,
fourteen seventy one. But the likely truth is there's probably
something a little more sinister as we could imagine. The
story goes that after Henry's imprisonment, Edward Richard of York's
son took control of the throne, and after the Battle
of Tewksbury, he called for Henry's assassination. Henry was stabbed
to death as he was kneeling in prayer in.
Speaker 2: The Wakefield Tower.
Speaker 8: Every year on the anniversary of his death, his ghost
has seemed to appear, pacing around the exact spot that
he was killed, and he disappears at the last stroke
of midnight.
Speaker 9: Wow. Well, at least he was praying while he's getting
stabbed to death, I guess, so, I don't know if
that's a good thing or not.
Speaker 8: Now we're going to start to get into some of
the stories that I've a little more fascinating. Lady Jane Gray.
I told you earlier that we were going to talk
about her. This is maybe the saddest story out of all.
Well no, it's not. The last one's a sadd one,
but this is right there with it. This is a
story that tells you to go with your gut and
not let peer pressure force you into bad decisions. So
Lady Jane's relatives actually convinced her that since she was
the great granddaughter of Henry the seventh, that she should
be the rightful queen. But Henry the Eighth's daughter, Mary
the First, which we talked about a little bit ago,
she had different ideas. Mary the First married Philippa Spain
and was crowned queen. She immediately sentenced Lady Jane and
her husband, Guildford Dudley.
Speaker 2: To be executed.
Speaker 9: What sella was she?
Speaker 8: Well, we're getting that numerous members of her family were
beheaded at the tower, including her husband. Now, after his execution,
gilfor Dudley's body was carted past the room where they
Jane was being held so she could see, Oh my god,
purposely his remains.
Speaker 9: Wow.
Speaker 8: The saddest part of the story to me is the
fact that she came across as sweet and innocent. Yeah,
you know, she was put in a bad spot. She
wasn't looking to be queen. Her relatives talked to her
into doing this and it just didn't. That pretty much
signed her death warrant from the day that they asked
her to do that. A prime example of her youth
and honesty is when she was brought to the scaffold.
They blindfolded her and she had trouble located in that
block that we talked about, and she's up there feeling around.
Oh gosh, and she's saying, what shall I do? Where
is it?
Speaker 2: Ah?
Speaker 8: And to me, that just hits me as extremely sad.
Speaker 9: That's very sad.
Speaker 8: Oh my gosh. She died fifteen fifty four at the
age of sixteen.
Speaker 9: Oh what what are their obsessions with? Cutting off your
dang head?
Speaker 8: I don't know. Her husband's ghost has been seen at
the Beauchamp Towers, and it's said that his ghost will
set there and weep throughout the night. People claim that
he's responsible for the word Jane that was etched into
the walls there, and it's still visible today. No way,
Jane was sighted in nineteen fifty seven walking along the
towers grounds.
Speaker 9: Oh my gosh. That's horrible. Boy, it's just a horrible story.
Speaker 8: Now we're going to get into the saddest story. There
are a bunch of holes the Bloody Tower, and it's
called that for a reason. This is the story of
the two Princes. April ninth, fourteen eighty three, King Edward
Fourth died unexpectedly after being sick for about three weeks.
At the time of his death, the king had two sons,
twelve year old Edward the Fifth, who would now be
the king and nine year old brother Richard of Shrewsbury,
the Duke of York. The dead King Edward fourth, had
a brother by the name of Richard Third. He was
the Duke of Gloucester. Now. Before his death, Edward listed
his brother Richard third as his kids protector and guardian.
So that's where the kids are going to go. So
the new king, twelve year old Edward set out to
meet his uncle, Richard I ID with a group of
advisers and family members on April twenty ninth. The next day,
Richard I had all of his advisers, including the family members, arrested,
and on June twenty fifth, they were beheaded. So Richard
Third then took Edward himself and had Edward's mother, Elizabeth Woodville,
take her other son, Richard, the Duke of York, and
her daughter to the sanctuary in Westminster Abbey, and Richard
his uncle, arrived in London together. This was supposed to
be for Edward's coronation as king, but the date was
postponed from May fourth to the twenty fifth of June,
and he had very good reason for doing that. On
May nineteenth, fourteen eighty three, Edward was put up in
a town of London, which is where all the other
prior kings, queens, whatever the monarchs would be that we're
getting ready to be coronated, were held. So nothing was
strange about that. On June sixteenth, he was joined by
his little brother Richard, So now the two brothers, the
two princes were back together. Right after Richards postponed the
coronation indefinitely, So now we went from having it in
July to we don't know when we're going.
Speaker 2: To have it.
Speaker 8: On June twenty second, at a sermon at St. Paul's Cross,
it was preached that Richard IID was the only real
legitimate heir to the throne. So now he starts getting
the backing of he should be king and not this
little boy. June twenty fifth, a group of the Lord's
knights and gentlemen petitioned Richard to take the throne. Both
princes were declared illegitimate by Parliament and in a confirmation
in nineteen eighty four by an act of the Parliament.
Now what that basically means was there was an act
that stated that King Edward and Elizabeth Woodville's marriage was
invalid because of Edward's pre contract from a marriage he
had with another lady, Eleanor Butler. So because of that,
they're saying that their marriage wasn't legal with Elizabeth. Therefore
those kids were couldn't be rightful heirs to the throne.
Speaker 9: Well that makes sense, Sir.
Speaker 8: Richard was crowned king on July third. Okay, most will
tell you that this was a bullshit story and to
get the throne away from the boys because they were
not illegitimate. This was just what was done to bend
the rules to get whoever in there.
Speaker 9: Well, I mean, aren't they off for young to be
king anyway?
Speaker 8: But that happened all the time. Matter of fact, at
the same time France, well we'll get in a few seconds.
But when France at the time had a leader that
was like thirteen years old.
Speaker 9: Oh god.
Speaker 8: But this is the background on the story, but it's
not the fascinating part of the story. So what happens
next shows you the cruelty of power hungry individuals, I think.
So after Richard took the throne, the two princes were
taken to the inner apartments of the tower and they
were seen less and less until they disappeared altogether. So
during this time when hardly anybody was seeing the young boys,
King Edward was being seen regularly by a doctor. Now
he said that Edward felt like death was facing him.
Because he felt like this, he prepared for sacrifice. He
sought remission for his sins and had daily confessions to
try to prepare for what was getting ready to happen
to him. There are reports of seeing the princes play
out on the tower around shortly after Richard was brought
to be with his brother Edward. There are no recording
sightings though after the summer of fourteen eighty three. An
attempt to rescue them in late July failed, and many
historians believe that the two princes were murdered near the
end of the summer fourteen eighty three. Oh Man, In
sixteen seventy four, workmen that were over by a staircase
near the White Tower dug up a wooden box containing
two small human skeletons.
Speaker 9: Oh my gosh. Nobody even had a clue the whole time.
Speaker 8: It's widely accepted that these are the remains of the
two princes, but it was never proven. King Charles had
the bones buried at Westminster Abbey and there's an inscription
on a monument there that the bones were put in
that pretty much elludes that King Richard third had them
killed so he could take over the crowd.
Speaker 9: Wow, I just don't get it. So, yes, that's really sad.
It is really sad why people have to go that route.
Speaker 8: Because I think about them out there playing on the ground.
I just think about a twelve year old to nine
year old boy just playing.
Speaker 9: Around and they don't even know the responsibilities or all that.
Speaker 8: No, I have no and this is supposed to be
their uncle.
Speaker 9: Yeah, well it sounds to me like family didn't mean
crab back in the days. They'll be hedge in as
soon as you turn your head around. I don't care.
That's why I feel about it.
Speaker 8: So can you see why the Tower of London may
have a few ghosts running around?
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's just terrible. You think that'd behead and crap
would get old. They could think of something.
Speaker 8: New, or just a guillotine, like at least like the
French did.
Speaker 9: Well, why you've got to cut their heads off? That
don't make no sense. And you got all these heads
you gotta do something with.
Speaker 8: I mean, wellen they used to do that because they
would they would. You remember, we were watching one of
the videos and we didn't even get into the story,
but they were talking about how they would take the
heads out there and put them on these sticks, and
just like there was a bridge that you had to
cross over the tower. That yeah, and they would take
all these people that they be headed that tried to
overthrow the king or something, and they would be hit
them and put their heads on those and put them
out there, so you had to see them as you
walked to the bridge.
Speaker 9: That's not cool.
Speaker 8: So that's the story basically that we've got. And before
we get out of here, obviously, I want to play.
Speaker 2: This video with Phil Holmes.
Speaker 8: Phil Holmes is i've said before on here. He's a
mentor to us. He's helped us a lot, and we
talk about that during this When we first got into
podcasts and he was our first guest, yep, he sure,
and you know, he had a huge show and he
didn't have to come on hours and he did and
he's been a good friend ever since. And it's fun
having him on this time to talk about the Tower
of London and his show because he's totally redone his
show and he could talk a little bit about that.
But Phil is extremely funny, so this is a fun interview.
So let's take a listen to Phil Holmes real quick.
All right, Well, we got one of the few times
that we've had a repeat guest on. I thought it
would be fun, since we're doing an English episode with
the Tower of London, to bring on my favorite Englishman,
mister Phil Holmes, host of Scared Phil. What's going on?
Speaker 2: Brother Jerry?
Speaker 3: Hey, nice to speak to you and Jerry. I do
find that I do repeat on people normally it gives
them winds.
Speaker 2: But it's just nice to be back on the show.
Speaker 8: How you doing, I'm doing good. Had the opportunity to
be on your show back on Halloween, and I thought
it would be a great opportunity this week to return
the favor.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think this is my third time
now on Hillbilly Horror Stories, and well, as I said,
the first two occasions, the check didn't clear. But now
you've done credit card by Stripe, we're okay, and it's nice.
Speaker 2: To be back.
Speaker 3: And I love the way that you and Tracy are
revisiting like you've just done with Bobby mackis revisiting these
places because you can never get enough of some of
these locations, and of course with you being near to
Bobby mackis, it's a brilliant idea.
Speaker 2: How's it going for you?
Speaker 8: It's gone really well. I like doing the revisits. I
don't want to get overrun with him because if there's
only about eleven that we could do anyway, But I
do think a couple of those stories got glossed over
and needed to be better done. And I think the
first one that we did here on Bobby Mackie's I
think it ended up being a lot better just with
all the information and the interview we threw on and
having Bobby McKee's little intro that we recorded up there.
And obviously you and Gabriel are huge Bobby McKie fans,
so we had Bobby do that little recording for you guys.
Speaker 3: I thought that was great that. You know, you've got
Bobby McKey and we've shared the video in our Scared group.
You've got Bobby mackey in the darkest place on the
planet Earth.
Speaker 2: So if you've recorded some.
Speaker 3: Videos, so it's like a perfect silhouette.
Speaker 8: Well, you know, he's an older guy, he's in his
seventies now, it's amazing what he actually does when you
think about the fact that he performs there every Friday
and Saturday night. He doesn't even come on stage until
ten pm. And you know, this guy's in his mid
seventies and he just gets up there and you know,
does two or three sets, and you know, I don't
know that I would have the energy to do that.
But I went back in his little private room and
there was about six seven people in there, and this
this room was, you know, this this size of a
large bathroom. It was not very big at all. And
I sat down literally right in front of him the record,
and it was kind of dark, and I didn't want
to put the light on because it literally would have
blinded him from as close as he was sitting. And
then as soon as we got finished with that one,
the one we did for you and Gabriel, I was
going to have him do the other little piece, And
right before we did that, somebody turned on a lamp
in there, and all of a sudden, the light was great.
So if he didn't, but I didn't want to ask
him to do it again because I knew he had
a bunch of people waiting to talk to him.
Speaker 3: So no, well, it was very kind what you did.
And what I love about it is the fact that
you guys are revisiting these locations.
Speaker 2: I Jerry me said Moir, I've had to reboot.
Speaker 3: I've had to do cprun Scared. It's been a major
bypass operation. You guys have just gone, let's go back
and see Bobby Mackie for me, down to the basics,
pulling it apart, starting again. And I'm forty five, Jerry,
it's it's aged me, friend, it's aged me.
Speaker 8: Well. But in a sense though, you're revisiting too, because
you're kind of going back to your radio days.
Speaker 2: It's true.
Speaker 3: And you know, and if anybody listens to my show, Scared,
I've always had that problem, apart from really with you
guys of time differences.
Speaker 2: Because.
Speaker 3: You know, you're on East Coast time in Kentucky. Now
that's normally it's not the moment because you've changed your
clocks already. We haven't done ours yet, but normally that's
five hours before me. So of course, and I explained this,
you know, and anybody listening that deals outside of the
United States, if you live there, you know, people come
home from work and they see the kids, and they
take the dog out and they have a bowl of
gritz and they want to talk at seven o'clock.
Speaker 2: Well that's midnight for me.
Speaker 3: And if we're talking West coast, if we're talking Bigfoot
stories or something like that from Washington State, then that's
eight hours.
Speaker 2: So that's three o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 3: And that's why I was releasing shows of every month,
because I could never tie in a guest, and being
a single dad as well as I am, if a
guest had to cancel, you know, because of soccer practice
or yoga lesson, or maybe they got abducted by aliens.
When we then tried to set it up again, it
would be like in two weeks time. And I sat
down and I thought, well, I can't rely on guests anymore.
Speaker 2: Because of the time difference.
Speaker 3: I've got to fill it up with some other rubbish,
I mean, new features. So I went back to my
I went back to my radio days where I would
play songs and talk absolute rubbish. And that's what we're
doing with the new sound SAP, which is really real sound,
but just no guests, even though the new episode is
a guest from Kentucky. Are you keeping up Jerry, for
goodness sake, write some notes down.
Speaker 2: Man, Wiga.
Speaker 8: I'm trying here. I'm trying here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very trying. Let me tell you very true.
Speaker 8: Well, before we get into this a little little deeper,
let's go back and first say that you were I
believe the very first interview that I had on Hillbily
Horror Stories. Because you are a mentor to us, and
I mean that in the truest sensitive words. I've probably
learned more about the podcast business from talking with you
than anybody, and that has been a friendship from the
beginning that once we struck it up, has been long lasting.
And you're still always around whenever I need any kind
of help, and we bounce ideas off each other and
so on and so forth, and nothing has changed on that.
You're still every bit of a mentor and I respect
what you're doing. Obviously, Scared was one of the first
podcasts on the Paranormal that I actually listened to, and
you have completely reinvented it because it was strictly listeners stories,
and now you've taken it upon yourself to change it
up to some features and still do some listener stories,
but in a different way and pre recorded and stuff
like that. And I think it takes a lot of
balls to take something that has been as successful as Scared.
We're not talking about a show that wasn't working. We're
talking about a show that's had over a million listens,
which ninety nine percent of the podcast out there will
never get, you know. To take that kind of a
show and to take the stance of, hey, I've got
enough moxie to be able to just change it because
I've got that much faith in my abilities to make
a success out of it, I think is a great move.
And I commend you for it.
Speaker 2: Well you know, Jerry, bless you for that.
Speaker 3: And you and I have spoken many times privately about this,
because the listening figure thing gets me and gets every book,
because you and I have discussed this. Depending who you
keep your podcast with, your audio with, depending where your
listeners downloaded, depends on your figures, because every company, and
you and I were different companies, they give out different figures.
And we're with You're with Audio Boom, right correct, I'm
with Live Seeing. They are two of the biggest lives
in the biggest Audio Boom, one of the most respected
players in the podcast market.
Speaker 2: So when listeners for you and for me.
Speaker 3: They discover podcasts and they go, we've got eight trillion listeners.
It doesn't actually mean a lot because it depends who
the podcast is with. It's like I always think, Jerry
and you and I have discussed this privately. It's like
getting in your car and every speeder every do you
call it a speedometer in America?
Speaker 2: Yes, it's like every speedometer is different. Now.
Speaker 3: You know, you're getting your car, getting Tracey's car, or
getting the works truck, and they're all calibrated to be
the same. But when it comes to podcasts, the companies
aren't calibrated to be the same. So it's like getting
in one car and you're doing fifty down the highway.
Speaker 2: You get in another car.
Speaker 3: And the police pull you over and they go, mister Paula,
you were speeding and you go, no, it's said fifty,
but actually were doing seven.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing that's always got me with numbers.
Speaker 3: And the other thing is, you know, for listeners, they've
got to remember that some shows come out daily, so
if you are you know, like the news shows for instance,
so it's very easy to get these huge numbers and
talk about these huge numbers. You're releasing a show every day,
for goodness, if you're releasing a show bi weekly as
you normally do, if you're releasing a show once every
six months like myself.
Speaker 2: You know, don't get me started.
Speaker 3: The numbers mean nothing really, as you and I know,
they don't bother you in the slightest.
Speaker 2: What matter are the reviews.
Speaker 3: You know, I spent twenty five years on the radio,
and I used to say to young radio broadcasters that
I would tray would you sooner have a million listeners
to your radio show and get paid ten dollars? Or
would you sooner have ten listeners and get paid a
million dollars? And of course people coming in a radio go,
well I want a million listeners. Well, actually, you know
what mattens for us as podcasters, and for the majority
of podcasters, including me and you, it's the quality of
what we put out. It's the stories, it's the interaction
fee And then it's not how.
Speaker 2: Many listeners you get.
Speaker 3: It's reading those lovely reviews, isn't it the reviews that appreciate,
especially for you, with all the research you do, And
that's what I love. I love that interaction that community.
You and I with our own shows, I think have
built beautiful, wonderful communities.
Speaker 8: So Phil, let's jump on off the podcast real quick.
We're going to get back to it on the end
because I want to make sure people know how to
find you. But we're doing the show on Tower of London. Now.
Almost every list I've ever seen of the most haunted
places in the world, Tower of London is number one
in almost every one of them. Obviously, they've got a
nine hundred year history, They've had, you know, hundreds of
executions there, so people here they have this image of
what the Tower of London is and what it means.
And I'm trying to think from somebody who lives there,
what do you think of when somebody mentions Tower of London?
Do you think of it like that? Or because it's
in your country, do you not think of it the
way people outside the country would?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jerry, do you know what a great point? And
I was going to say that, and you've actually answered it.
I don't think of it that way at all. I
was doing a Facebook live the other day with another
paranormal podcast and I asked the question actually today listeners,
and I said, what do you consider to be the
most haunted place, the most famous haunted place rather in England,
and all these places popped up, and nobody mentioned.
Speaker 2: The Tower of London.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, And I knew I was yeah, and I
knew I was doing this with you, and I said, well,
I'm going on Hillbilly and you know Jerry's going to
be talking about the Tower of London. And for this
other English paranormal show, everybody went no. And I think
what it is, as we know, for our shows, the
audience are mainly in the United States.
Speaker 2: I know for my.
Speaker 3: Audience it's ninety six percent of my audience is the
United States. Yours will be of course exactly the same,
if not more. In fact, because you are American.
Speaker 8: We're typically about eighty five percent.
Speaker 3: Really, well, that's fascinating, isn't it. So what you're saying
is some Americans don't like you. Let's move on, Jerry,
stay in that, don't be rude, and you'll get the
Facebook stats. Like me, I see in our group on
Facebook it is about ninety four percent.
Speaker 2: Of people in our group in America.
Speaker 3: And that's why I think the Tower of London comes
to that top list, Because when you think paranormal, the
backing the movement behind paranormal TV shows like Ghost Adventures, podcasts.
Speaker 2: Like Yours books.
Speaker 3: It's normally coming out of the United States, and when
it comes to something famous in England, you think of
the Tower of London and then you add in, well,
of course you know there were you know, Henry the
Eighth killed, some of his wife's killed there. We had
a thing actually in nineteen eighties here on British television.
Speaker 2: Where they did on Halloween. I think it was the BBC.
Speaker 3: Actually they did a live Halloween special and it was
done at the Tower of London, well just outside the
Tower of Land, and it was amazing. I mean I
remember watching it as a boy. I mean I was
a teenager. Jerry, you would have been in your late thirties,
of course, but I was a teenage and we both
had here then and I remember watching this and we
got to the end of it and it turned out
it was just set up. It was a hoax. It
was almost like an April fool on Halloween. But that
was done at Tower of London and I always thought, why,
I bet they're going to sell this the BBC America
where I live in the UK. Gabriel and I live
in an area which has more castles per square mind
than anywhere else in the United Kingdom. Castles are literally
at the end of every guard. I mean, we have anders.
We've got a famous castle here called Chillingham. It looks
haunted you and they do wonderful marketing for the castle itself.
Now they claim to be the most haunted place in England.
But then anybody that's watched Ghost Adventures know that the
Zach Bagels came over and I think zach Bagels and
they went to a pub. They went to a pub,
and that was meant to be the most haunted place.
So I think when it comes to the Tower of London,
because of its history, because of the Henry the Eighth Thing,
because of Elizabeth, I I think people around the world
can picture me. We're saying Tower of London now and
people can imagine the way it looks like. Do I
think it's the most haunted place? No, because no paranormalty
could ever get in there. Because of course, you know,
if I was to say to you, Jerry, where do
you keep your jewels?
Speaker 2: You'll probably say in your trousers. We will move on
from that.
Speaker 3: That's where the Queen of course keeps her Crown Jewels,
so you're not going to find Zach Bagels wandering around
with an SB seven spirit box.
Speaker 2: It's a wonderful story.
Speaker 3: It's got to be haunted from what's there, The Man
in the Iron Mask. What a story that is, What
a great film that was. So much has happened there
over the years. But could it be the most haunted.
I don't think Jerry would ever find out, because nobody
would be allowed. No, I think you and I should
try this. You should come over here, bring the addictive phone,
bring your wife by the way as well, and we'll
go in.
Speaker 2: You get Tracy to switch off the lights and we'll
do something.
Speaker 3: I think we'd probably arrested by the Church terrorism squad
in about three seconds.
Speaker 2: But is that what you think then that you're in America?
But I know you're a.
Speaker 3: Massive fan of everything British apart from myself, and you
made that very When you think of the most haunted
place in Great Britain, the United Kingdom, or just England
living in Kentucky, is that what you think?
Speaker 2: Tower of London?
Speaker 8: No, actually it's not. But I'm partial to a couple
of stories. I've always kind of leaned more towards the
Boorly Rectory and Bileskin House has always been kind of
my top. But when it was, you know, not burnt down.
Speaker 3: See I being English and doing a paranormal load of
rubbish myself.
Speaker 2: I don't think of those two either. It's not weird.
Speaker 8: I was going to ask you what you know when
you have your chats, would like the other British podcasters
or paranormal folks, what do you guys feel comes up
as the most haunted in your country?
Speaker 3: Well, the rector you mentioned that comes up, But you know,
I think it's I think, like anything paranorm it's down
to an interest. For instance, I live.
Speaker 2: In this area which is for the castle.
Speaker 3: You know, the castles that have those you know, the
priest holes that they used to throw people dungeons. If you,
if any of your listeners ever come to London on holiday,
one of the biggest places you have to go on
the tourist trail is the London Dungeon. There's a couple
of them around England. York, Beautiful York, Old York of course,
not New York.
Speaker 2: It has one as well.
Speaker 3: So for me, there are so many castles, so many
castles where all these atrocities have and that's an interest
for me, being castles some people, of course you don't.
Of course in America you don't have old pubs. But
we like the episode where Zach Bagels came over and
went to that old pub on Ghost Adventures. We have
these pubs where you can go in and get you know,
a pint or you know, a lemonade for yourself and
you good lady. And these pubs are four or five
hundred years old and they've been a pub for that lot.
Speaker 2: We have here.
Speaker 3: We have here where I am sat in mid tenth
we have a mile and a half away the first
electric lighthouse in the world. And it's my favorite episode
of Ghost Adventures where they went to a lighthouse.
Speaker 2: So I have a lighthouse thing going. That lighthouse is said.
Speaker 3: To be one of the most haunted places in Northern England.
Speaker 2: Now right next.
Speaker 3: To it is a bar, a pub, and it's built
into the cliffs right on the sea Jerry and they
three hundred years ago they buried in and it used
to be caves for pirates and.
Speaker 2: There were tunnels under the beach and then about one hundred.
Speaker 3: Years ago they made it into a bar and in
now it's a bar and restaurant. Well, imagine the stories
that place has got to tell. So I always thing
when it comes to hauntings, it's.
Speaker 2: What your interest is.
Speaker 3: When it comes to the Tower of London, I think
a lot of people think of it being number one
because Americans can picture it.
Speaker 2: You know, you can't picture my light as or.
Speaker 3: My little pub or you know, a pub in Wiltshire
which is four hundred years old. You can picture the
Tower of London and get the stories and of course
you will tell later in this episode some amazing stories
about So for me, no, but you know me, Jerry,
I'm a cryptoid fan and I'm not talking about the
x Y before me. I'm a cryptoid fan, and I
have to add in that I know it's Tara London show,
but I've always loved the whole cryptoid thing, the Bigfoot
stories ever since. You know, I was about thirteen, fourteen years.
Speaker 2: Old, and again you would have been in your late fourties.
Speaker 3: And we had the Monstra Boggie Creek that came onto
the BB'SU that terrified and gable and I watch fine
in Bigfoot. By the way, Jerry, they haven't found him yet.
Don't want to give you a spoiler, but not yet.
Speaker 2: I know, not yet.
Speaker 3: And I was gutted. I was gutted because we're so
behind here. The Finding Bigfoot team came to the UK
to look for Bigfoot. How he got a pass, Paul
and got on the plane, I have no idea, But
the Finding Bigfoot team came to the UK and they
investigated four miles from my house.
Speaker 2: Now, I love that show.
Speaker 3: And if I had known that, we would have gone there.
Gabor and I would have gone there, hid in the
woods and started knocking the trees. You know what I'm saying, Jerry,
we would have done the calls. We would have ruined it,
you know, Small Fat Bold, host of second rate American
paranormal podcast Ruins American Network TV show. They would have
had to come, they would have had to rebooted, like me, Jerry,
and it would have been tonight on Found Bigfoot and
that's the end of it would have been the end.
Are we talking about the Tower of London? How did
we get onto?
Speaker 8: Well, no wonder. You have a time just wander off
and just do what you're do your own thing.
Speaker 2: So it's the medication. I'm on. Let me tell you,
and it's old age as well. It's where am I?
Who are you? Where am I?
Speaker 3: Well, wouldn't believe my episodes are only eight minutes Long's.
Speaker 8: Yeah, unlike our show. Like I said, I think one
time you said our shows some of them lasted for
like three days, which is not the case.
Speaker 3: No, and it is true because when you know, when
I start up, you know your show, and I think
it's going to be great, And then of course Tracy
starts talking and the tracysm start coming out, and I'm
using Google translated workout what knows of your wife's saying?
And then I think, right that, you know they're onto, Well,
they're going back to Bobby Mackie's.
Speaker 2: So the next thing I know.
Speaker 3: I've I've grabbed a sleeping bag and I've ordered a takeout,
and well it is three days later, I've aged. You know,
people are banging on the door, thinking I've collapsed on
the stairs, and I say, no, I'm listening to the
latest episode of Hillbilly Horror Stories, Trace is on one tonight.
Speaker 8: Well, enough about our shows, about you.
Speaker 2: Jerry, me me.
Speaker 8: Tell us how how everybody can find scared. I can't
imagine that people aren't already listening to it. But if
they're not, tell them how they can find you, tell
them about you on social media and all the different
ways that they can connect.
Speaker 3: All they have to donate is one hundred dollars and
I will share the private website right now. Just search
on Google Play, search on Stitcher.
Speaker 2: I have no idea what that is. Everybody seems to
talk about.
Speaker 3: It, or of course in your iTunes or your podcast
app for Scared. Scared's got a question mark is a question,
but you don't need to put questions do just search
for Scared or you can find us at Scared podcast
dot com. And and we're very, very different to.
Speaker 2: Jerry's show.
Speaker 3: But I've now decided Jerry to bring my wife on
and I'm going to start selling shower curtains.
Speaker 2: Now have you thought about that yourself.
Speaker 8: Well, I'm completely fine with it because I'm partial to
the shower curtain business to begin with.
Speaker 3: And that's your new business.
Speaker 8: That's that's you know, Hey, there's a niche out there
for it, and people just overlooked it. But you know,
now that we've sold the first one in six months,
it's got to be a market out there it's ready
to boom. You know, once you get that first one
out of the way, the rest are just it must
be great.
Speaker 3: You know, you'll be in a bar with Tracy having
a male, you know, with the with your children and
your grandchildren and your great grandchildren and of course your
great great great grandchildren, and people will come up and
they say, you know, what do you do anything apart
from work? And Tracy wants to go, well, we've got this,
We've got this enormous podcast, but just go well, we
sell shower curtains.
Speaker 2: That's what we do, sell the shower curtain.
Speaker 8: Well, I mean, you've been in radio. You can't you
can't bury the lead.
Speaker 3: That's all they care about. How did you find He'll
be horror stories? Was it you know, from a friend
or was it social media?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: I bought a shower curtain and it turned out there
was a show behind it.
Speaker 2: Amazing.
Speaker 3: You can find us on Facebook just search for Scared
and Twitter scared and Instagram scared.
Speaker 2: And oh I didn't know. It's quite easy.
Speaker 3: I told you before, Jerry, Right, I have two brain
cells and the two of them don't like each other.
They don't talk to one of them. So when I
wanted to come up with a paranal show. I came
up the word scared because I anything else have bene
and you know, because and I thought, well that works.
Speaker 2: I've said to you before.
Speaker 3: You know, And if I had here a shop that
sold something like flowers, it wouldn't be Phil's Florix. Just
call it the flower shop. If I had we have
sweet shops here, and you and I have spoken about this,
you call it candy. Of course in America, where you
take our language and change all the words so we
have no idea what you're saying, I would call it
the sweet shop or the candy stuff. And it's the
same when I when I did my my crime show,
it's called Worse Crimes Ever.
Speaker 2: Because that's as far as my brain will go. I
couldn't come up with something clever.
Speaker 3: You know, there's there's a there's a crime show out
there called case File.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what that means.
Speaker 3: Mine is work, Mine is Worse Crimes Ever. And that's
as far as I go. When I read Hillbilly horror stories,
I had to put that into Google to work out
what the three words meant.
Speaker 2: I'm all right now, but you can find us everywhere.
Speaker 3: Please do and please do because we need the listeners.
Speaker 8: Well for everyone that says that the British don't have
a sense of humor, here was your proof. Phil Great
heaven Yon Brother, more blessing, more time coming up. We'll
have you back on again sometime in the future and
we do some more English stories. And you've always got
great stories to tell. That's why I love having you on.
I can just kind of let you go and yeah,
I know it's going to be it's going to be
great stuff to listen to. So it's been fun. I
appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Hey man, you know, thanks for your kind of words
at the beginning.
Speaker 3: The wonderful thing about this is, I go back to
that community word actually that you and I and Tracy
have become friends. Tracy and me a bit more than
me and you, of course, I mean, who can blame
her because she seems to have a thing for short, old,
slightly overweight man. But but we've all become friends, and
you guys support me and my show, and you support
my son and in our lives, and you're lovely people.
Speaker 2: So thank you so so much.
Speaker 8: I appreciate it, man, and you guys are easy to
get along with. So it's not that big of a
chore and hour end, that's for sure. How can you
not listen to Phil Holmes and not want to just
run right over and listen to his show. He's so
damn funny.
Speaker 9: He is funny. I love his accent.
Speaker 8: And every time we get on the phone it seems
like we're on the phone for like two hours.
Speaker 9: Yeah. Yeah, he's a pretty fun guy. I'm a real
nice guy.
Speaker 8: So check out scared when you get the opportunity. At
the beginning of the show, you heard a new friend
of ours, a new member of the Dark Mets collective,
Katie Burn her show Southern Grimore.
Speaker 9: I say that right, Yeah, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 8: Her show is really good. It's one that you know,
we don't steer you wrong on shows. Go listen to it.
She's fairly new. She's got you know, I think eight
or nine episodes. It's not a lot of episodes yet,
but you'll like what you hear. Once you start listening
to you'll be stuck to it. And they're not really long,
so like our shows. So yeah, I think you'll love it.
Just feel, you know, like to make fun of our
length of our shows, But give him a Listen, guys,
we can't thank you enough for everything you do for us,
all the reviews, all the shirts that you buy. We
just posted a picture of Natasha Ali, who runs our
Facebook group, and the shirt that she's got. We can't.
I want to give a special thank you for her.
She puts in a lot of work. It sure does
help us and we greatly appreciate that. So you can
buy your own shirts, he'llgially. Horror stories dot Com added
a couple of new logos to it, so we got six, seven,
eight logos out there now. So these are a little
more plain and simple with people like those. Also, I
wanted to mention again we've got a code coming. But
we will be at Pottern Love Podcast Festival in August.
Speaker 9: So excited for that, cannot wait.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's going to be generation why it is going
to be there, Twisted Philly be their history goes bump
pleasing terrors. I can't even begin the name di mention everybody,
but if you just go to Pottern Love Podcast Festival,
you'll be able to check them out online and be
able to see everything. And as soon as we get
a discount code, probably hopefully by next week's show, we'll
be able to give it to you and you can
save some money on tickets.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that sounds great. I want to give a shout
out to our wildcats. Go Cats.
Speaker 8: Yep, sweet sixteen, Go Cats.
Speaker 9: Yeah, proud of you guys, keep on going.
Speaker 8: And for all you Louisville Cardinal fans. So there's always
five years from now. Yeah sorry after you know, all
the probation and stuff like.
Speaker 9: That, but sorry little birdies.
Speaker 8: All right, guys, thank you so much. We love you
and we'll see you next week.
Speaker 9: Love you guys. Hope you have a great week.