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It is a hot one and from what I hear

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that is most of the country, even than Norris. All

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you people up in Pennsylvania and Boston and all that. Here,

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you dies are pretty warm yourselves. I know here last

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week we were in the mid to hide nineties with

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hides well over one hundred and let me tell you

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for this text, and that's hot. Unfortunately, it is supposed

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to be hotter next week. We're talking over one hundred

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degrees with heat and xes up to one hundred and

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ten hundred and fifteen degrees. And with any kind of luck,

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we have a tropical storm coming our way and oh

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oh oh, please bring us some relief. But anyway, back

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to the podcast, Uh don't really have any house cleaning

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to do this week, so we are just going to

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get right and to as Jerry would say, We're going

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to get into the meat of things. On this episode,

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Jerry and Tracy discussed the gruesome history and the haunting

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of the Tower of London. Afterwards, The Late and Great

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Feel Home stops by and weighs in on the Tower

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and talks about his podcast Scared. I don't even know

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if you can still listen to Scared. I'm going to

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jump on my phone and see. I'm got a feeling

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proudly not let's all you want. That man had a

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voice for the radio that anybody, anybody would envy me included.

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So with all that being said, kick back, relax and

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enjoy the show, and remember stay safe. I take care

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of each other.

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Speaker 2: That girl show can't do a thing together.

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Speaker 3: Here with saying I'm so hard and your brain, how

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can you won't ever change?

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Speaker 2: He's too here, he got the recipe.

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Speaker 3: Sat on back and listen in to some of our

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talk his mystery Day.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to your.

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Speaker 5: Bill and horror Stories and your Pauline.

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Speaker 4: And their gold Men.

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Speaker 6: Greetings guys and girls, and welcome to here how many

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horror stories? Before we start tonight's show, please have a

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listen to this promo of a podcast that we think

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is to die for.

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Speaker 5: New to the Darkness Collective, Southern Gamore with Kati Burr.

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Listen to your favorite village witch explore Unsolved Crimes.

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Speaker 7: If you have heard of the Butcher of Oklahoma City

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who earned his name for the gruesome way he disposed

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of his victims, Mysteries, boomers, and questions about the monstrous

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brothers persisted. It was agreed that the Carter's bodies should

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be exhumed and investigated, but their caskets were empty legends.

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The man was terrified to see the creature crawl out

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of the field and begin to sprint running alongside his

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car at incredible speeds. He'd only heard of skin Walker's

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and his.

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Speaker 5: Grandmother's story and haunted history.

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Speaker 7: Castle Frankenstein was a real place in Germany, and in

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sixteen seventy three, Johann Dipple was born there.

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Speaker 5: Southern Gromore with Katie Burr. Listen at Southern Gromore dot

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busprout dot com or on your favorite podcast platform.

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Speaker 4: Ah, what are you doing here?

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Speaker 2: Don't you know?

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Speaker 4: Jerry and Tracy and live here. They're coming. They hear you,

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They're here.

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Speaker 8: Welcome to episode eighty five of Hillblie Horror Stories. My

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name is Jerry and I'm joined by my wife Tracy. Hi, guys,

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now that we have dogs barking all over the neighborhood,

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We've got a cool show for you tonight. I'm excited

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about this one, as I am every show you are.

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Speaker 9: You're always excited.

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Speaker 8: You know, some of these shows, the topics don't really

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get my blood pumping until I start getting into the research.

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Speaker 9: Well, I'm glad for your blood pumping, Fasco.

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Speaker 8: And this story tonight. You guys weighed in on at

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least the ones in the group. So if you're not

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part of our group, he'll believe horror stories on Facebook.

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Speaker 9: So Ninja was working it pretty good the other day.

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the story we're doing tonight. Next week, we're going to

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host is Scared, will actually be on the Little Leedter

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in this show talking a little bit about the Tower

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one's gonna be pretty cool. Before we get deep into

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he knows UFO stuff. I mean, it's This guy is

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Speaker 8: Oh my lordy, the listeners come first on with the show.

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big shout out thank you to all of our military

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country you work for, support thank you for everything you do.

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Speaker 8: All right, So Tracy iTunes reviews this week. We had

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just makes my day every day. So keep on bringing

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Speaker 8: We also had a couple of new Patreon supporters this week.

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the Infamous Tower of London. And what I like about

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these stories is everybody's in the Game of Thrones. Yes

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Speaker 8: It's a complex of multiple buildings set within two rings

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of walls built to keep intruders out, so you can

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world Tower of London, just without a doubt, almost everybody

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Speaker 9: Ooh nice, yep.

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Speaker 8: You can't mention England's history without mentioning the Tower of London.

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It's just that simple. It's been besieged several times. Kings

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and conquerors believed that in order to control the country,

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you had to control the tower. It was that simple,

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and during the fifteenth century the tower was used as

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a prison. The peak period of had actually being a

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prison that was in the sixteenth and seventeenth century, though,

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so it was a little bit later when it really

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became well known as a prison. The use of the

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tower as a prison made the term sent to the

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Tower popular. Lots of prominent people were held captive there,

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including Elizabeth I. So most people talk about the tower

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being a place of death and torture, which you could imagine.

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What most people will be surprised to find out is

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there were actually on only seven people executed within the

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walls of the tower.

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Speaker 9: Well that's not very many, I mean, it's too many.

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Speaker 8: But now up on the hill on the other hand,

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there was one hundred and twelve executions in a four

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hundred year period. Oh most of these executions were beheadings.

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Oh my gosh, ninety three to be exact. Oh wow,

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And there was eleven by firing squad that actually happened

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during like the World Wars. Yeah, because there were some

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people that was sent there from espionage. We'll get in

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that just a little bit later. John Taylor and Anthony

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Salvino restored the towers back to I guess its medieval

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appearance the best that they could. They cleared out all

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of the most medieval structures. Yeah, they kind of took

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it back to the day when they took it over. Now,

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during World War one and two they were using it

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as a prison again, and once again, eleven men were

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executed there for espionage. So that's where it gets into

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well they do they Oh no, No, was badly damaged

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during the blitz of World War two when they were

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dropping all the bombs and stuff over there. They repaired

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it and opened it up to the public, and today

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the tower is carried for by the Historic Royal Palace.

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Speaker 9: I wonder if they used cannonballs.

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Speaker 8: I don't think they did in World War two.

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Speaker 9: Oh no, I mean back in the other day, what

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other day, the other day when they were fighting. Now,

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no cannonballs, even in War War two.

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Speaker 8: There's no possible way I can have two wives with cannonball.

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Speaker 9: Stories if we don't want to talk about the other one.

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Speaker 8: And okay, so I'm gonna tell the story, Okay, because

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I don't know if she'll listen or not. So my

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ex wife years and years ago, and keep in mind

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she was young, so we'll use that as an excuse.

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So we were having a talk. We lived really close

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to Fort Knox, and Fort Knox would have I guess,

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like not re enactments, but you know practices. I guess, yeah,

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buck the better term maneuvers whatever they would call it,

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where they actually shoot off the guns and you know

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the kind of big weapons that we yea and yeah,

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that's what exactly what would happened. We weren't that far

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from it. So when they would do that, you could

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hear the boom in the windows and stuff with her attle.

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And my ex wife at one point and said, what

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do they do with all those cannon balls?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 8: And I just smiled and looked at her and I said,

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what cannon balls? She was thinking that they still use

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cannon balls today.

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Speaker 9: I was a little farther back. Come on now, oh

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my gosh.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, that story is kind of funny. But today,

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the today, the towers are actually protected by the World

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Heritage Site. It should come to no surprise that the

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several ghosts reportedly haunt Towers Church and for either justice

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or my guest heads.

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Speaker 9: That's awful. We shouldn't at that.

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Speaker 8: Well, they've been there for a long time. There's nothing

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we do about it. We're going to cover some of

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the most commonly seen ghosts and what I'm gonna do.

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I've got a bunch of stories to show to get

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Some of them are shorter, but some of the better

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ones I saved for the end to get a little

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more detail. This is just a pretty big topic and

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I wanted to get to as many different stories as

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I could, to try to cover as much as I can, because,

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like I said, the Tower of London is not an

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easy subject to get into, because I could have probably

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picked fifty other stories to tell.

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Speaker 9: Wow, good, I can't wait to hear.

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Speaker 8: So I wanted to start with probably the most strange

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of the spirits that haunt and it's in the Royal Menagerie.

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It's the spirit of a bear. And this bear actually

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lived there at.

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Speaker 9: One point in time, like he had his own room.

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Speaker 8: Well I don't think he had his own room. I

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guess the question would be what the hell was a

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bear doing there? First of all, don't curse at me, Okay,

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I cursed it myself.

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Speaker 9: I was gonna say when I curse.

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Speaker 8: In twelvey ten, King John assembled a bunch of animals

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at the time and he used them for fighting expositions.

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Speaker 9: Oh I don't like that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, for spectators. So this was an awful practice, as

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you can imagine, and it was pretty popular though with

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the people. I'm thinking Michael Vick may have been involved.

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Maybe not in twelve thousand ten, no, thanks so much.

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But over the years it became somewhat of a makeshift

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zoo where visitors could see strange beasts from all over

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the world, including a polar bear. Now that's not what

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they're seeing as a polar bear, they're seeing a regular bear.

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But in eighteen thirty two, the Duke of Wellington moved

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all the animals to the London Zoo, So I guess

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that's a little better. Some believe that the troubled spirits

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of these animals, including lions and monkeys, haunt the tower,

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and obviously we've got the bear. So one guard said

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that the ghost of this bear kind of charged at

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him and then it disappeared as soon as he stabbed

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it with his ban at.

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Speaker 9: Oh wow, how you stab a ghost?

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Speaker 8: Apparently you don't that's why I disappeared. Oh So, continuing

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with the odd stories, the oldest tower is the White Tower.

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This is where Henry the Eighth Armor is stored at Okay, Now,

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people claim that when they walk into this room that

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they feel this horrifying, crushing sensation that stays with them

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the whole time that they're in there. Now, the minute

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they leave, the feeling kind of goes away. Guards have

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been attacked by unseen forces in there, and one was

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actually covered and strangled by heading your you know, a

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real big heavy cloak. Yeah, and he said that when

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he finally got free, he looked around, you know, he

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got the thing off and looked around, and there was

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nobody in the room with him. So but something was

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covering with this and like forcing it down on him.

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Speaker 9: So like the other people before, they that was it.

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Mostly that they couldn't breathe because they felt the pressure

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or like.

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Speaker 8: That what you're talking yet a little bit of that

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and just the fact of like a heaviness of what

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something's wrong, like you know, kind of like you feel

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it a right after you gets some really bad news

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or something like that. Another guard stopped to rest his feet,

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he took his shoes off, and right afterwards he heard

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a whisper behind him say, it's only you and I here.

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Speaker 9: Oh.

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Speaker 8: I'm guessing pretty soon it was just the other person,

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because he probably got the hell out of there. I'm sure,

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but nobody's really sure if the spirit's Hunry the Eighth

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or some other malevolent spirit. But it's obviously not a

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good spirit.

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Speaker 2: That is.

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Speaker 8: So let's get into some of the more popular stories

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just of people. And what I'll do is I'll kind

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of break it down a little bit about the history

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of that person and what happened to them and then

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what we've seen ghost wise. And this is going to

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be a big history lesson, for it's more history than paranormal.

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But I think it's going to be very enjoyable. So

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Lady Arbella Stuart, Lady Stuart was the second cousin of

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Queen Elizabeth First, which we've already said. She spent some

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time in the tower as a prisoner's secretly married William Seymour,

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who was the nephew of Lady Jane Gray. Now we're

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going to get into a great story of Lady Jane

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Gray a little bit later, but it's irrelevant at this moment.

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This pissed off King James the first that she had

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this secret marriage, because after they got married, he saw

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them as a threat to the throne, which we're going

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to see a lot of in most of these stories.

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So he sent both of them to the tower, her

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husband William Seymour, and Lady Arabella. They tried to escape.

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Unfortunately it was not really successful because what she tried

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to do was get on a ship and stow away,

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but somebody recognized her on the ship, so they sent

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her back. She was supposed to rendezvous and meet up

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with William Seymour, but he missed it. He missed the boat,

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He missed the boat. She got sent back and then

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he still got away. So he ended up going to

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like France or something like that, and they never saw

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each other again.

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Speaker 9: Oh my gosh, let somebody have to be a snitch

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for okay.

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Speaker 4: Happen?

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Speaker 8: So heart broken, she refused to eat and she died

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in the tower in sixteen fifteen. She said to haunt

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the Queen's House, Well, we'll get into the Queen's House

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a whole bunch in here. The governor of the Tower

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lived right here in these rooms from nineteen ninety four

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to two thousand and six. He reported one time that

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his wife was pushed so violently by an unseen force

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that it knocked her completely out of the room and

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into the hallway.

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Speaker 9: Oh wow.

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Speaker 8: Other people have seen her walking around the grounds of

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the tower just kind of weeping.

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Speaker 9: So water though she was didn't eat and all that

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because she was sad she got caught, or that she

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was pissed off. He didn't try to come back and fetcher.

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Speaker 8: Well, I don't think anybody's gonna be coming back. And

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I don't think they definitely fetched anybody back in the day.

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Speaker 2: You don't know.

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Speaker 8: That was more of a I don't think they were

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ye old fetch ye old. I guess maybe they did.

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Speaker 9: They might have. And that's really a very sad story.

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Speaker 8: It is a sad story. And that's just the beginning

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of several sad stories. No good stories in here.

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Speaker 4: Just so you know.

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Speaker 8: Margaret de la Pole, she was a stripper. I just kidding.

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In fifteen forty one, the tower saw one of its

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most gruesome boshed executions in the history of the tower.

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Speaker 9: Oh my gosh, what happened.

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Speaker 8: Margaret de la Poe was the Countess of Salisbury, loved

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their steaks. Don't you like Salisbury's stakes?

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Speaker 9: No, Jerry, get on with the program.

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Speaker 8: She was arrested and sent to the tower as an

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enemy of the state. Now because her son, I get this.

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She didn't do anything wrong. It's because of her son.

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He was a cardinal and he denounced Henry the eighth

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as head of the Church of England. Well, unfortunately for Margaret,

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her son was in France, so Henry took his anger

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out on her. Dear old mom. When they brought her

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to the scaffold to be head her, she refused to kneel.

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Speaker 9: Oh yeah, you have to kneel, Okay, go ahead.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: She basically said that traders kneel, and I'm not a trailer.

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She said it in a more arrogant way, but that's right,

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that's what it meant. And yeah, you're right. Let's let's

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cover that a little bit. Picture everybody has thought of,

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Like when they do the hangings, they got the you know,

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the scaffold, same situation. It's basically a stage. They have

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a block, a wooden block that sits on the scaffold,

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and you get down on your knees and you lay

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your throat on that block. That's how it works. So yeah,

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you I couldn't imagine here, go ahead and get down

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on your knees and just people volunteerily doing that when

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they're getting ready to have their head cut off. Yeah,

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but that is exactly how they went down. So well,

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she came from a noble background, so she's you know,

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a lot of kings, queen's duke, stuff like that in

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her in her family. So she was a pretty prominent person.

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So about a hundred and fifty people were there to

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see her execution. When executioner raise his acts, she took

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off running, so he chased her around, hacking at her

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until she was dead.

476
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 9: I'm sorry, it's not funny.

477
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 8: That's not funny at all.

478
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 9: It isn't funny. I can just picture that is not funny.

479
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:23,799
Speaker 8: Like some Benny Hill music, the playing around.

480
00:25:26,839 --> 00:25:30,839
Speaker 9: But listen, why couldn't her famous family protect her?

481
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,759
Speaker 8: Kings and queens were being killed on a regular basis,

482
00:25:34,759 --> 00:25:37,559
There was no protecting from any once again, the whole

483
00:25:37,559 --> 00:25:38,480
Game of Thrones type thing.

484
00:25:38,559 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 9: Oh, I don't watch that, so I don't know what

485
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:40,519
the heck.

486
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 8: I don't want it either, but I know what it means. Okay,

487
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,640
the screams of Margaret are frequently heard at the sight

488
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,920
of her at the where the scaffold is, where her

489
00:25:49,079 --> 00:25:53,759
visitors claim that they've seen a reenactment. Oh my gosh,

490
00:25:53,799 --> 00:25:56,599
like this just plays out over and over where people

491
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,839
can see it, even though she runs faster, she's up

492
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:01,359
on she's up on a.

493
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 9: Little Oh I thought she jumped off of it.

494
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 8: No. No, Then we got maybe the most famous ghost

495
00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:14,920
of all of it, Queen Anne Boleyn. Now she was

496
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,319
the second wife of Henry the Eighth. This is a

497
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,720
very sad story too. She was accused of adultery and

498
00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:23,200
incest with her brother George.

499
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 9: Well, that's gross.

500
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 8: She was beheaded at the tower at fifteen thirty six.

501
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,480
Before her execution though, and this is right before, she

502
00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:38,960
told the crowd not to blame her husband. Now you

503
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,720
would think that would mean, well, I mean, she's guilty,

504
00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:48,680
So not the case. She said that Henry made up

505
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:53,839
these charges so that he could remarry, so he could

506
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,079
get a male heir to the throne, because apparently she

507
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,160
couldn't have kids.

508
00:26:58,640 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 9: Well, that's not her fault.

509
00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 8: Her fault or not. She had her head cut off.

510
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 9: Well, I guess i'd never heard of friends with benefits

511
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,160
back in the day. Look if he's coming to me

512
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,880
and say, hey, you can't give me no kids, So

513
00:27:13,559 --> 00:27:15,680
you're either gonna let me have sex with another or

514
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,319
I'm gonna cut your head off. What do you think

515
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,519
I'm gonna say, sex it up, do it, don't cut

516
00:27:21,519 --> 00:27:23,240
my head off. That's what I would say.

517
00:27:23,319 --> 00:27:24,559
Speaker 8: I don't know that you would say that or.

518
00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:25,599
Speaker 1: Not I would.

519
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:27,279
Speaker 9: I don't want my head cut.

520
00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 8: Off around like a bowl and ball. At least I

521
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:29,880
know what my options are.

522
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,599
Speaker 9: There you go. Everybody heard it, So there you go.

523
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:33,279
Don't be heading me.

524
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,079
Speaker 8: I just can't imagine a situation to where this is

525
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,119
somebody that you're married to and just because she can't

526
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,839
get okay, get it? Have you ever heard of a divorce?

527
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,279
Speaker 9: Hello, That's what I'm saying.

528
00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:50,039
Speaker 8: AND's usually seen near the site of her execution and

529
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,279
in the Queen's House because we talked about the Queen's

530
00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:55,640
House the last time. It's called the Queen's House because

531
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,000
Henry the Eighth had it built four n Queen Anne.

532
00:27:59,519 --> 00:28:02,200
Sometimes she's seen at the altar of the chapel where

533
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,000
her body is towards I guess she's buried in there.

534
00:28:06,039 --> 00:28:08,319
One guard tells the story of seeing a hoodedge figure

535
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:14,799
in that area, he said, despite the guard's direct order

536
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,759
to pretty much leave and get out of there, the

537
00:28:16,759 --> 00:28:22,079
figure just kept approaching him, and once it started coming quicker,

538
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,480
he decided to charge with the figure, and he pulled

539
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,680
out his bonet and about that time he realized that

540
00:28:28,759 --> 00:28:34,240
the figure there a had no head and he ran

541
00:28:34,319 --> 00:28:34,880
right through it.

542
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,359
Speaker 9: Oh my gosh, are you kidding? Because he didn't have

543
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,240
no head and he coudn't see knowing why balls but I.

544
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,359
Speaker 8: Don't think that Maybe it's because it was just a

545
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:45,759
spirit man.

546
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,599
Speaker 9: That that is some hardcore crab man.

547
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 8: I would not want to I was gonna say, it's

548
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:51,880
just that.

549
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,039
Speaker 9: It's the craziest stuff I've ever heard.

550
00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:58,079
Speaker 8: So now let's talk about Anne's cousin, Catherine Howard, because

551
00:28:58,119 --> 00:29:00,359
she actually suffered the same fate as Anne and her

552
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,400
head cut off. Her ghost is seen in Hampton Court

553
00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:08,839
where she briefly escaped from the guards, who then you know,

554
00:29:09,119 --> 00:29:10,880
caught up with her and arrested her. But she ran

555
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,880
down the hall to plead her for life with Henry

556
00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:17,000
and he was attending mass inside the chapel, you know,

557
00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:18,440
because being a good guy that he has got the

558
00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:21,599
Church of this endured.

559
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,039
Speaker 9: Please forgive me, God, I'm about to behead another person

560
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:27,960
in the name of the follower of the Son in

561
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,400
the Holy Spirit. Give me a break.

562
00:29:31,319 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 8: So this didn't really do any good because you know

563
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,920
they caught her and she was beheaded anyway.

564
00:29:36,839 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 9: Well, she wouldn't beheaded in the church, I hope.

565
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,599
Speaker 8: No they didn't. Well they didn't just catch up with

566
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,640
her like they did, you know, your girl. They wouldn't

567
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:43,319
chase her down.

568
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,519
Speaker 9: This ism make my stomach hurt.

569
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,119
Speaker 8: Well, there's play more so your stomach would be. You

570
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,119
need some antacid or something for this is with Now

571
00:29:51,119 --> 00:29:53,559
we got the ghost of Edmund Bonner. He was the

572
00:29:53,599 --> 00:29:57,240
Bishop of London and supposedly he haunts bethanal Green, which

573
00:29:57,319 --> 00:30:01,720
is another part up there. Edmund had a few fun nicknames.

574
00:30:02,079 --> 00:30:06,400
Bloody Bonner was one of his names, that's fun. He

575
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,920
gained it from his persecution of Protestants under Mary the

576
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,519
First Ring. He used to own property there. That's why

577
00:30:15,519 --> 00:30:17,680
they have Bonner Road and Bonner Street and it's all

578
00:30:17,759 --> 00:30:20,640
named after him. So not too much on him. But

579
00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:23,000
he's one of the ones you see. Now here's the

580
00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:25,599
name everybody will know. But I didn't know a whole

581
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,960
lot about this gentleman until.

582
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:28,559
Speaker 2: I did some research.

583
00:30:28,599 --> 00:30:32,319
Speaker 8: So it's kind of cool. Sir Walter Riley's ghost has

584
00:30:32,359 --> 00:30:35,400
been spotted at the Tower. He was imprisoned there for

585
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,880
thirteen years. I had no food that yeah, So everybody

586
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,880
knows he was a big explorer and all that stuff

587
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,480
YE did. Well. He's got kind of a unique story

588
00:30:43,519 --> 00:30:48,720
because he's also seen in Devon in Beddington in South London,

589
00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:51,319
where he owned some land there too. So legend has

590
00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:54,359
it that his wife arranged to have his body secretly

591
00:30:54,400 --> 00:31:01,359
buried at the church there at Beddington, but historical research

592
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,599
actually states that he was buried at Saint Margaret in

593
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:09,200
Westminster after he was executed in sixteen eighteen. I thought

594
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,119
I wanted to dig a little bit into who Sir

595
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,240
Walter Riley was and how this happened, because I've heard

596
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,400
of him my entire life. I never had a clue

597
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,960
that he was executed.

598
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: And all this stuff.

599
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:23,279
Speaker 8: So so here's what happened. During Elizabeth's reign. Sir Walter

600
00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:27,960
Riley actually organized three major expeditions to America, including the

601
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,000
first English settlement in America in fifteen eighty seven, which

602
00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:35,480
was Rowanoke the whole missing you know, the missing colony

603
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,279
and all that stuff. So that didn't really work out

604
00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:41,079
real well for I don't guess. Rolly later fell out

605
00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:44,039
of favor with Queen Elizabeth after she learned that he

606
00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:46,319
had a secret marriage to again lady by the name

607
00:31:46,319 --> 00:31:47,880
of Bessie Throckmorton.

608
00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:49,039
Speaker 4: What about it?

609
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 8: How'd you like to have that name? But I need

610
00:31:50,759 --> 00:31:53,720
to be executed just for that. This really kind of pissed,

611
00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:57,039
you know, Elizabeth off because Bessie was one of her

612
00:31:57,039 --> 00:31:59,720
maids of honor at her wedding, so I guess she

613
00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:02,359
kind of felt like that that was betrayal, which you know,

614
00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:05,359
once again she's already married. Don't understand what the problem is.

615
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,880
So she turned around and imprisoned Sir Walter Raley and

616
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,599
Bessie in the Tower of London. He was able to

617
00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:15,519
buy his freedom, so I guess if you had enough money,

618
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:19,359
you could buy your freedom. So Sir Walter Raley formally

619
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,880
married Bessie and distanced itself from the jealous queen because

620
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,599
you can imagine problems you could run into. So after

621
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,000
Elizabeth died in eighteen or sixteen oh three, Sir Walter

622
00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:32,680
Raley was implicated as a foe of King James the

623
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:36,000
First and imprisoned with a death sentence. So they thought

624
00:32:36,039 --> 00:32:37,920
they had like a coup working against him to try

625
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,839
to overthrow him. They put in and gave them the

626
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:45,599
death penalty, but the death sentence was commuted a little

627
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,519
bit later, and in sixteen sixteen, Sir Walter Riley was

628
00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:51,079
freed to go lead an expedition into the New World again,

629
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:54,839
this time to establish a gold mine in the Orinoco

630
00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:58,960
River region of South America. But this was a big disaster.

631
00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:01,480
It was a big failure. It didn't work. So when

632
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,839
he got back to England, the death sentence of sixteen

633
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,559
oh three was invoked against him.

634
00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:08,759
Speaker 9: Why did he go back to England?

635
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,599
Speaker 8: I guess he had to, but he probably didn't think

636
00:33:12,599 --> 00:33:14,559
there was gonna amount to anything.

637
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 9: So he thought he was just gonna go back. Hey, y'all,

638
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:17,119
what's up.

639
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,319
Speaker 8: I mean, they let him out to go do this exposition,

640
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,839
you know, this expedition. So but anyway, that's a little

641
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,200
bit of history on Sir walk But he hunts all

642
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:28,039
kinds of different parts of him apparently. So let's talk

643
00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:30,799
to everybody knows Henry the Eighth. Let's talk about King

644
00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:34,240
Henry the sixth, So if you haven't noticed already, most

645
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,400
of the grizzly deaths in the Tower were like a

646
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,000
real life game of Thrones like we've talked about. So

647
00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:43,279
King Henry was the only son of Henry the fifth.

648
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,400
He was in line to inherit the English and the

649
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,920
French throne. I don't know how you inherited both. He that,

650
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,559
but that's what he was in line for. Henry to

651
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,079
six seemed to always find hisself into some kind of

652
00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:57,319
royal squirmish. I mean, I don't know what his problem was,

653
00:33:57,359 --> 00:33:59,640
but there was always something going on. And in fourteen

654
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,599
seventy one, during the Wars of the Roses, which I

655
00:34:03,599 --> 00:34:05,720
didn't even realize that movie was out then, I guess.

656
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,119
Speaker 9: That was it's a good movie, though it is a

657
00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:08,719
good movie.

658
00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 8: Henry the sixth was imprisoned by the House of York

659
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,519
at the Tower. An initial report said that Henry died

660
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,840
broken hearted of an illness in the Tower May twenty first,

661
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,800
fourteen seventy one. But the likely truth is there's probably

662
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,559
something a little more sinister as we could imagine. The

663
00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:28,440
story goes that after Henry's imprisonment, Edward Richard of York's

664
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,800
son took control of the throne, and after the Battle

665
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:37,320
of Tewksbury, he called for Henry's assassination. Henry was stabbed

666
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,199
to death as he was kneeling in prayer in.

667
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:41,039
Speaker 2: The Wakefield Tower.

668
00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 8: Every year on the anniversary of his death, his ghost

669
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:47,599
has seemed to appear, pacing around the exact spot that

670
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:51,039
he was killed, and he disappears at the last stroke

671
00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:51,559
of midnight.

672
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 9: Wow. Well, at least he was praying while he's getting

673
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,159
stabbed to death, I guess, so, I don't know if

674
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:57,039
that's a good thing or not.

675
00:34:57,519 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 8: Now we're going to start to get into some of

676
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,360
the stories that I've a little more fascinating. Lady Jane Gray.

677
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,119
I told you earlier that we were going to talk

678
00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:07,960
about her. This is maybe the saddest story out of all.

679
00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:09,880
Well no, it's not. The last one's a sadd one,

680
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,159
but this is right there with it. This is a

681
00:35:12,199 --> 00:35:14,639
story that tells you to go with your gut and

682
00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:18,320
not let peer pressure force you into bad decisions. So

683
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,719
Lady Jane's relatives actually convinced her that since she was

684
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,800
the great granddaughter of Henry the seventh, that she should

685
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:30,239
be the rightful queen. But Henry the Eighth's daughter, Mary

686
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,119
the First, which we talked about a little bit ago,

687
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,760
she had different ideas. Mary the First married Philippa Spain

688
00:35:36,159 --> 00:35:40,639
and was crowned queen. She immediately sentenced Lady Jane and

689
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,400
her husband, Guildford Dudley.

690
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 2: To be executed.

691
00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 9: What sella was she?

692
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,039
Speaker 8: Well, we're getting that numerous members of her family were

693
00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:56,480
beheaded at the tower, including her husband. Now, after his execution,

694
00:35:57,039 --> 00:36:00,159
gilfor Dudley's body was carted past the room where they

695
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,199
Jane was being held so she could see, Oh my god,

696
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,480
purposely his remains.

697
00:36:05,639 --> 00:36:06,039
Speaker 9: Wow.

698
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 8: The saddest part of the story to me is the

699
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:13,280
fact that she came across as sweet and innocent. Yeah,

700
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,039
you know, she was put in a bad spot. She

701
00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:17,440
wasn't looking to be queen. Her relatives talked to her

702
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,199
into doing this and it just didn't. That pretty much

703
00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:21,360
signed her death warrant from the day that they asked

704
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,719
her to do that. A prime example of her youth

705
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,320
and honesty is when she was brought to the scaffold.

706
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,679
They blindfolded her and she had trouble located in that

707
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,480
block that we talked about, and she's up there feeling around.

708
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,119
Oh gosh, and she's saying, what shall I do? Where

709
00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:40,320
is it?

710
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:41,039
Speaker 2: Ah?

711
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,199
Speaker 8: And to me, that just hits me as extremely sad.

712
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:45,159
Speaker 9: That's very sad.

713
00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 8: Oh my gosh. She died fifteen fifty four at the

714
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:49,679
age of sixteen.

715
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:54,519
Speaker 9: Oh what what are their obsessions with? Cutting off your

716
00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:55,480
dang head?

717
00:36:55,639 --> 00:36:58,119
Speaker 8: I don't know. Her husband's ghost has been seen at

718
00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:02,760
the Beauchamp Towers, and it's said that his ghost will

719
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,719
set there and weep throughout the night. People claim that

720
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,920
he's responsible for the word Jane that was etched into

721
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,440
the walls there, and it's still visible today. No way,

722
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,719
Jane was sighted in nineteen fifty seven walking along the

723
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:18,599
towers grounds.

724
00:37:18,679 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 9: Oh my gosh. That's horrible. Boy, it's just a horrible story.

725
00:37:22,519 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 8: Now we're going to get into the saddest story. There

726
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:29,719
are a bunch of holes the Bloody Tower, and it's

727
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,440
called that for a reason. This is the story of

728
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:40,119
the two Princes. April ninth, fourteen eighty three, King Edward

729
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,000
Fourth died unexpectedly after being sick for about three weeks.

730
00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:47,239
At the time of his death, the king had two sons,

731
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,960
twelve year old Edward the Fifth, who would now be

732
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,360
the king and nine year old brother Richard of Shrewsbury,

733
00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:59,480
the Duke of York. The dead King Edward fourth, had

734
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:01,440
a brother by the name of Richard Third. He was

735
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:06,119
the Duke of Gloucester. Now. Before his death, Edward listed

736
00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:09,840
his brother Richard third as his kids protector and guardian.

737
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,280
So that's where the kids are going to go. So

738
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,719
the new king, twelve year old Edward set out to

739
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,239
meet his uncle, Richard I ID with a group of

740
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,559
advisers and family members on April twenty ninth. The next day,

741
00:38:21,679 --> 00:38:27,679
Richard I had all of his advisers, including the family members, arrested,

742
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,960
and on June twenty fifth, they were beheaded. So Richard

743
00:38:31,159 --> 00:38:36,280
Third then took Edward himself and had Edward's mother, Elizabeth Woodville,

744
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,199
take her other son, Richard, the Duke of York, and

745
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,679
her daughter to the sanctuary in Westminster Abbey, and Richard

746
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,719
his uncle, arrived in London together. This was supposed to

747
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,920
be for Edward's coronation as king, but the date was

748
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,519
postponed from May fourth to the twenty fifth of June,

749
00:38:53,679 --> 00:38:56,599
and he had very good reason for doing that. On

750
00:38:56,639 --> 00:38:59,639
May nineteenth, fourteen eighty three, Edward was put up in

751
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:02,679
a town of London, which is where all the other

752
00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:05,679
prior kings, queens, whatever the monarchs would be that we're

753
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,360
getting ready to be coronated, were held. So nothing was

754
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,360
strange about that. On June sixteenth, he was joined by

755
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,039
his little brother Richard, So now the two brothers, the

756
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:21,599
two princes were back together. Right after Richards postponed the

757
00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:25,159
coronation indefinitely, So now we went from having it in

758
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:26,960
July to we don't know when we're going.

759
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:27,159
Speaker 2: To have it.

760
00:39:27,519 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 8: On June twenty second, at a sermon at St. Paul's Cross,

761
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,360
it was preached that Richard IID was the only real

762
00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:41,639
legitimate heir to the throne. So now he starts getting

763
00:39:41,639 --> 00:39:44,559
the backing of he should be king and not this

764
00:39:44,679 --> 00:39:47,079
little boy. June twenty fifth, a group of the Lord's

765
00:39:47,159 --> 00:39:51,760
knights and gentlemen petitioned Richard to take the throne. Both

766
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,440
princes were declared illegitimate by Parliament and in a confirmation

767
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,559
in nineteen eighty four by an act of the Parliament.

768
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,599
Now what that basically means was there was an act

769
00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:08,960
that stated that King Edward and Elizabeth Woodville's marriage was

770
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:13,440
invalid because of Edward's pre contract from a marriage he

771
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:18,760
had with another lady, Eleanor Butler. So because of that,

772
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,800
they're saying that their marriage wasn't legal with Elizabeth. Therefore

773
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:26,320
those kids were couldn't be rightful heirs to the throne.

774
00:40:26,599 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 9: Well that makes sense, Sir.

775
00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 8: Richard was crowned king on July third. Okay, most will

776
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,119
tell you that this was a bullshit story and to

777
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,920
get the throne away from the boys because they were

778
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,719
not illegitimate. This was just what was done to bend

779
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,280
the rules to get whoever in there.

780
00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 9: Well, I mean, aren't they off for young to be

781
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:47,719
king anyway?

782
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 8: But that happened all the time. Matter of fact, at

783
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,360
the same time France, well we'll get in a few seconds.

784
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:59,719
But when France at the time had a leader that

785
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:00,920
was like thirteen years old.

786
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 9: Oh god.

787
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 8: But this is the background on the story, but it's

788
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,440
not the fascinating part of the story. So what happens

789
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,280
next shows you the cruelty of power hungry individuals, I think.

790
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,079
So after Richard took the throne, the two princes were

791
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:19,440
taken to the inner apartments of the tower and they

792
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,280
were seen less and less until they disappeared altogether. So

793
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,119
during this time when hardly anybody was seeing the young boys,

794
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:31,199
King Edward was being seen regularly by a doctor. Now

795
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,400
he said that Edward felt like death was facing him.

796
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,840
Because he felt like this, he prepared for sacrifice. He

797
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,639
sought remission for his sins and had daily confessions to

798
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,920
try to prepare for what was getting ready to happen

799
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,400
to him. There are reports of seeing the princes play

800
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,920
out on the tower around shortly after Richard was brought

801
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,360
to be with his brother Edward. There are no recording

802
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:03,000
sightings though after the summer of fourteen eighty three. An

803
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,840
attempt to rescue them in late July failed, and many

804
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,079
historians believe that the two princes were murdered near the

805
00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:13,639
end of the summer fourteen eighty three. Oh Man, In

806
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:18,280
sixteen seventy four, workmen that were over by a staircase

807
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,280
near the White Tower dug up a wooden box containing

808
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,119
two small human skeletons.

809
00:42:24,159 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 9: Oh my gosh. Nobody even had a clue the whole time.

810
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 8: It's widely accepted that these are the remains of the

811
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:36,719
two princes, but it was never proven. King Charles had

812
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,880
the bones buried at Westminster Abbey and there's an inscription

813
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,239
on a monument there that the bones were put in

814
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,679
that pretty much elludes that King Richard third had them

815
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,320
killed so he could take over the crowd.

816
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:53,079
Speaker 9: Wow, I just don't get it. So, yes, that's really sad.

817
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,880
It is really sad why people have to go that route.

818
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:58,639
Speaker 8: Because I think about them out there playing on the ground.

819
00:42:58,639 --> 00:43:00,599
I just think about a twelve year old to nine

820
00:43:00,639 --> 00:43:02,159
year old boy just playing.

821
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 9: Around and they don't even know the responsibilities or all that.

822
00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 8: No, I have no and this is supposed to be

823
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:07,559
their uncle.

824
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,079
Speaker 9: Yeah, well it sounds to me like family didn't mean

825
00:43:11,159 --> 00:43:13,440
crab back in the days. They'll be hedge in as

826
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,360
soon as you turn your head around. I don't care.

827
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:17,639
That's why I feel about it.

828
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 8: So can you see why the Tower of London may

829
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:21,599
have a few ghosts running around?

830
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's just terrible. You think that'd behead and crap

831
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,039
would get old. They could think of something.

832
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 8: New, or just a guillotine, like at least like the

833
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:31,519
French did.

834
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,039
Speaker 9: Well, why you've got to cut their heads off? That

835
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:36,639
don't make no sense. And you got all these heads

836
00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:37,519
you gotta do something with.

837
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 8: I mean, wellen they used to do that because they

838
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,960
would they would. You remember, we were watching one of

839
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,679
the videos and we didn't even get into the story,

840
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,119
but they were talking about how they would take the

841
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,199
heads out there and put them on these sticks, and

842
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:55,679
just like there was a bridge that you had to

843
00:43:55,679 --> 00:43:58,360
cross over the tower. That yeah, and they would take

844
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,480
all these people that they be headed that tried to

845
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,079
overthrow the king or something, and they would be hit

846
00:44:03,159 --> 00:44:05,320
them and put their heads on those and put them

847
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,599
out there, so you had to see them as you

848
00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:08,920
walked to the bridge.

849
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 9: That's not cool.

850
00:44:11,079 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 8: So that's the story basically that we've got. And before

851
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,159
we get out of here, obviously, I want to play.

852
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,119
Speaker 2: This video with Phil Holmes.

853
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 8: Phil Holmes is i've said before on here. He's a

854
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,679
mentor to us. He's helped us a lot, and we

855
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,239
talk about that during this When we first got into

856
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,800
podcasts and he was our first guest, yep, he sure,

857
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,920
and you know, he had a huge show and he

858
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,320
didn't have to come on hours and he did and

859
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,199
he's been a good friend ever since. And it's fun

860
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,199
having him on this time to talk about the Tower

861
00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:43,119
of London and his show because he's totally redone his

862
00:44:43,159 --> 00:44:45,840
show and he could talk a little bit about that.

863
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,360
But Phil is extremely funny, so this is a fun interview.

864
00:44:49,679 --> 00:44:51,559
So let's take a listen to Phil Holmes real quick.

865
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,679
All right, Well, we got one of the few times

866
00:44:54,679 --> 00:44:57,239
that we've had a repeat guest on. I thought it

867
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,679
would be fun, since we're doing an English episode with

868
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,039
the Tower of London, to bring on my favorite Englishman,

869
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,800
mister Phil Holmes, host of Scared Phil. What's going on?

870
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: Brother Jerry?

871
00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 3: Hey, nice to speak to you and Jerry. I do

872
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,079
find that I do repeat on people normally it gives

873
00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:14,599
them winds.

874
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 2: But it's just nice to be back on the show.

875
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,760
Speaker 8: How you doing, I'm doing good. Had the opportunity to

876
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,639
be on your show back on Halloween, and I thought

877
00:45:22,639 --> 00:45:24,639
it would be a great opportunity this week to return

878
00:45:24,679 --> 00:45:25,039
the favor.

879
00:45:25,159 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think this is my third time

880
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,320
now on Hillbilly Horror Stories, and well, as I said,

881
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,840
the first two occasions, the check didn't clear. But now

882
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,639
you've done credit card by Stripe, we're okay, and it's nice.

883
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 2: To be back.

884
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 3: And I love the way that you and Tracy are

885
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,480
revisiting like you've just done with Bobby mackis revisiting these

886
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:48,920
places because you can never get enough of some of

887
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,880
these locations, and of course with you being near to

888
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,559
Bobby mackis, it's a brilliant idea.

889
00:45:54,599 --> 00:45:55,519
Speaker 2: How's it going for you?

890
00:45:56,199 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 8: It's gone really well. I like doing the revisits. I

891
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,079
don't want to get overrun with him because if there's

892
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:06,039
only about eleven that we could do anyway, But I

893
00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:08,719
do think a couple of those stories got glossed over

894
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,519
and needed to be better done. And I think the

895
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:13,880
first one that we did here on Bobby Mackie's I

896
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,000
think it ended up being a lot better just with

897
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:18,719
all the information and the interview we threw on and

898
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:23,079
having Bobby McKee's little intro that we recorded up there.

899
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:26,360
And obviously you and Gabriel are huge Bobby McKie fans,

900
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,679
so we had Bobby do that little recording for you guys.

901
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 3: I thought that was great that. You know, you've got

902
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:37,519
Bobby McKey and we've shared the video in our Scared group.

903
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,159
You've got Bobby mackey in the darkest place on the

904
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:41,840
planet Earth.

905
00:46:42,119 --> 00:46:43,519
Speaker 2: So if you've recorded some.

906
00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:46,159
Speaker 3: Videos, so it's like a perfect silhouette.

907
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,599
Speaker 8: Well, you know, he's an older guy, he's in his

908
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,400
seventies now, it's amazing what he actually does when you

909
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,159
think about the fact that he performs there every Friday

910
00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:57,280
and Saturday night. He doesn't even come on stage until

911
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,960
ten pm. And you know, this guy's in his mid

912
00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:02,119
seventies and he just gets up there and you know,

913
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,679
does two or three sets, and you know, I don't

914
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,239
know that I would have the energy to do that.

915
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,159
But I went back in his little private room and

916
00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:11,679
there was about six seven people in there, and this

917
00:47:11,679 --> 00:47:15,039
this room was, you know, this this size of a

918
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:18,159
large bathroom. It was not very big at all. And

919
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,599
I sat down literally right in front of him the record,

920
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,079
and it was kind of dark, and I didn't want

921
00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:26,920
to put the light on because it literally would have

922
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,480
blinded him from as close as he was sitting. And

923
00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:31,360
then as soon as we got finished with that one,

924
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,920
the one we did for you and Gabriel, I was

925
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,679
going to have him do the other little piece, And

926
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,760
right before we did that, somebody turned on a lamp

927
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,239
in there, and all of a sudden, the light was great.

928
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:40,840
So if he didn't, but I didn't want to ask

929
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,599
him to do it again because I knew he had

930
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:44,119
a bunch of people waiting to talk to him.

931
00:47:44,159 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 3: So no, well, it was very kind what you did.

932
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,199
And what I love about it is the fact that

933
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,760
you guys are revisiting these locations.

934
00:47:53,559 --> 00:47:57,559
Speaker 2: I Jerry me said Moir, I've had to reboot.

935
00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:02,599
Speaker 3: I've had to do cprun Scared. It's been a major

936
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,920
bypass operation. You guys have just gone, let's go back

937
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,880
and see Bobby Mackie for me, down to the basics,

938
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,519
pulling it apart, starting again. And I'm forty five, Jerry,

939
00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:15,559
it's it's aged me, friend, it's aged me.

940
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 8: Well. But in a sense though, you're revisiting too, because

941
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,800
you're kind of going back to your radio days.

942
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 2: It's true.

943
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:26,559
Speaker 3: And you know, and if anybody listens to my show, Scared,

944
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:30,599
I've always had that problem, apart from really with you

945
00:48:30,599 --> 00:48:33,440
guys of time differences.

946
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 2: Because.

947
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,199
Speaker 3: You know, you're on East Coast time in Kentucky. Now

948
00:48:39,199 --> 00:48:42,079
that's normally it's not the moment because you've changed your

949
00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:45,440
clocks already. We haven't done ours yet, but normally that's

950
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,559
five hours before me. So of course, and I explained this,

951
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,679
you know, and anybody listening that deals outside of the

952
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,719
United States, if you live there, you know, people come

953
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,719
home from work and they see the kids, and they

954
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,320
take the dog out and they have a bowl of

955
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,239
gritz and they want to talk at seven o'clock.

956
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 2: Well that's midnight for me.

957
00:49:05,679 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 3: And if we're talking West coast, if we're talking Bigfoot

958
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,400
stories or something like that from Washington State, then that's

959
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:13,199
eight hours.

960
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 2: So that's three o'clock in the morning.

961
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 3: And that's why I was releasing shows of every month,

962
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,960
because I could never tie in a guest, and being

963
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,920
a single dad as well as I am, if a

964
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,679
guest had to cancel, you know, because of soccer practice

965
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:33,239
or yoga lesson, or maybe they got abducted by aliens.

966
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,239
When we then tried to set it up again, it

967
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,800
would be like in two weeks time. And I sat

968
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:43,880
down and I thought, well, I can't rely on guests anymore.

969
00:49:43,559 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 2: Because of the time difference.

970
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 3: I've got to fill it up with some other rubbish,

971
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:52,039
I mean, new features. So I went back to my

972
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,880
I went back to my radio days where I would

973
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,760
play songs and talk absolute rubbish. And that's what we're

974
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:04,480
doing with the new sound SAP, which is really real sound,

975
00:50:04,519 --> 00:50:07,440
but just no guests, even though the new episode is

976
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,280
a guest from Kentucky. Are you keeping up Jerry, for

977
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,079
goodness sake, write some notes down.

978
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 2: Man, Wiga.

979
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:14,679
Speaker 8: I'm trying here. I'm trying here.

980
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very trying. Let me tell you very true.

981
00:50:18,559 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 8: Well, before we get into this a little little deeper,

982
00:50:21,519 --> 00:50:25,519
let's go back and first say that you were I

983
00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:28,760
believe the very first interview that I had on Hillbily

984
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:33,880
Horror Stories. Because you are a mentor to us, and

985
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,880
I mean that in the truest sensitive words. I've probably

986
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,840
learned more about the podcast business from talking with you

987
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,880
than anybody, and that has been a friendship from the

988
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,639
beginning that once we struck it up, has been long lasting.

989
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:49,440
And you're still always around whenever I need any kind

990
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,599
of help, and we bounce ideas off each other and

991
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:54,519
so on and so forth, and nothing has changed on that.

992
00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:57,960
You're still every bit of a mentor and I respect

993
00:50:58,039 --> 00:51:01,480
what you're doing. Obviously, Scared was one of the first

994
00:51:01,519 --> 00:51:04,880
podcasts on the Paranormal that I actually listened to, and

995
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:10,119
you have completely reinvented it because it was strictly listeners stories,

996
00:51:10,119 --> 00:51:13,960
and now you've taken it upon yourself to change it

997
00:51:14,039 --> 00:51:17,199
up to some features and still do some listener stories,

998
00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:19,400
but in a different way and pre recorded and stuff

999
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:20,679
like that. And I think it takes a lot of

1000
00:51:20,679 --> 00:51:24,760
balls to take something that has been as successful as Scared.

1001
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,519
We're not talking about a show that wasn't working. We're

1002
00:51:27,559 --> 00:51:29,760
talking about a show that's had over a million listens,

1003
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,360
which ninety nine percent of the podcast out there will

1004
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,800
never get, you know. To take that kind of a

1005
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,880
show and to take the stance of, hey, I've got

1006
00:51:39,039 --> 00:51:42,840
enough moxie to be able to just change it because

1007
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,000
I've got that much faith in my abilities to make

1008
00:51:46,039 --> 00:51:48,199
a success out of it, I think is a great move.

1009
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:49,199
And I commend you for it.

1010
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:50,639
Speaker 2: Well you know, Jerry, bless you for that.

1011
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:56,039
Speaker 3: And you and I have spoken many times privately about this,

1012
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,840
because the listening figure thing gets me and gets every book,

1013
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:04,800
because you and I have discussed this. Depending who you

1014
00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:08,480
keep your podcast with, your audio with, depending where your

1015
00:52:08,519 --> 00:52:12,679
listeners downloaded, depends on your figures, because every company, and

1016
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,960
you and I were different companies, they give out different figures.

1017
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:21,239
And we're with You're with Audio Boom, right correct, I'm

1018
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,760
with Live Seeing. They are two of the biggest lives

1019
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,719
in the biggest Audio Boom, one of the most respected

1020
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,519
players in the podcast market.

1021
00:52:32,039 --> 00:52:35,079
Speaker 2: So when listeners for you and for me.

1022
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,760
Speaker 3: They discover podcasts and they go, we've got eight trillion listeners.

1023
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,679
It doesn't actually mean a lot because it depends who

1024
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,159
the podcast is with. It's like I always think, Jerry

1025
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,119
and you and I have discussed this privately. It's like

1026
00:52:49,199 --> 00:52:52,599
getting in your car and every speeder every do you

1027
00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:54,559
call it a speedometer in America?

1028
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 2: Yes, it's like every speedometer is different. Now.

1029
00:52:58,519 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 3: You know, you're getting your car, getting Tracey's car, or

1030
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,199
getting the works truck, and they're all calibrated to be

1031
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:08,159
the same. But when it comes to podcasts, the companies

1032
00:53:08,159 --> 00:53:11,039
aren't calibrated to be the same. So it's like getting

1033
00:53:11,039 --> 00:53:13,360
in one car and you're doing fifty down the highway.

1034
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 2: You get in another car.

1035
00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:17,559
Speaker 3: And the police pull you over and they go, mister Paula,

1036
00:53:17,639 --> 00:53:20,159
you were speeding and you go, no, it's said fifty,

1037
00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:21,280
but actually were doing seven.

1038
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 2: And that's the thing that's always got me with numbers.

1039
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,039
Speaker 3: And the other thing is, you know, for listeners, they've

1040
00:53:28,039 --> 00:53:31,599
got to remember that some shows come out daily, so

1041
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,760
if you are you know, like the news shows for instance,

1042
00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:38,000
so it's very easy to get these huge numbers and

1043
00:53:38,039 --> 00:53:41,039
talk about these huge numbers. You're releasing a show every day,

1044
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,079
for goodness, if you're releasing a show bi weekly as

1045
00:53:44,119 --> 00:53:47,519
you normally do, if you're releasing a show once every

1046
00:53:47,559 --> 00:53:48,880
six months like myself.

1047
00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 2: You know, don't get me started.

1048
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 3: The numbers mean nothing really, as you and I know,

1049
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,119
they don't bother you in the slightest.

1050
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 2: What matter are the reviews.

1051
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 3: You know, I spent twenty five years on the radio,

1052
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,079
and I used to say to young radio broadcasters that

1053
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:11,079
I would tray would you sooner have a million listeners

1054
00:54:11,079 --> 00:54:14,920
to your radio show and get paid ten dollars? Or

1055
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,119
would you sooner have ten listeners and get paid a

1056
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,559
million dollars? And of course people coming in a radio go,

1057
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:26,039
well I want a million listeners. Well, actually, you know

1058
00:54:27,199 --> 00:54:31,599
what mattens for us as podcasters, and for the majority

1059
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:34,719
of podcasters, including me and you, it's the quality of

1060
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,599
what we put out. It's the stories, it's the interaction

1061
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,519
fee And then it's not how.

1062
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:42,760
Speaker 2: Many listeners you get.

1063
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 3: It's reading those lovely reviews, isn't it the reviews that appreciate,

1064
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,599
especially for you, with all the research you do, And

1065
00:54:50,639 --> 00:54:53,679
that's what I love. I love that interaction that community.

1066
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:55,920
You and I with our own shows, I think have

1067
00:54:56,039 --> 00:54:58,320
built beautiful, wonderful communities.

1068
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 8: So Phil, let's jump on off the podcast real quick.

1069
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:02,800
We're going to get back to it on the end

1070
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,199
because I want to make sure people know how to

1071
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,400
find you. But we're doing the show on Tower of London. Now.

1072
00:55:07,679 --> 00:55:12,039
Almost every list I've ever seen of the most haunted

1073
00:55:12,079 --> 00:55:15,199
places in the world, Tower of London is number one

1074
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,199
in almost every one of them. Obviously, they've got a

1075
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,559
nine hundred year history, They've had, you know, hundreds of

1076
00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:26,119
executions there, so people here they have this image of

1077
00:55:26,159 --> 00:55:28,480
what the Tower of London is and what it means.

1078
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,400
And I'm trying to think from somebody who lives there,

1079
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,480
what do you think of when somebody mentions Tower of London?

1080
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,679
Do you think of it like that? Or because it's

1081
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,199
in your country, do you not think of it the

1082
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:41,920
way people outside the country would?

1083
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jerry, do you know what a great point? And

1084
00:55:44,679 --> 00:55:46,880
I was going to say that, and you've actually answered it.

1085
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,119
I don't think of it that way at all. I

1086
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,800
was doing a Facebook live the other day with another

1087
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:57,719
paranormal podcast and I asked the question actually today listeners,

1088
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,639
and I said, what do you consider to be the

1089
00:55:59,679 --> 00:56:05,000
most haunted place, the most famous haunted place rather in England,

1090
00:56:05,559 --> 00:56:08,440
and all these places popped up, and nobody mentioned.

1091
00:56:08,119 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 2: The Tower of London.

1092
00:56:09,079 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 3: Oh wow, And I knew I was yeah, and I

1093
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:12,920
knew I was doing this with you, and I said, well,

1094
00:56:13,079 --> 00:56:15,639
I'm going on Hillbilly and you know Jerry's going to

1095
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:17,679
be talking about the Tower of London. And for this

1096
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:23,719
other English paranormal show, everybody went no. And I think

1097
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,159
what it is, as we know, for our shows, the

1098
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,079
audience are mainly in the United States.

1099
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:32,039
Speaker 2: I know for my.

1100
00:56:32,159 --> 00:56:34,519
Speaker 3: Audience it's ninety six percent of my audience is the

1101
00:56:34,639 --> 00:56:37,719
United States. Yours will be of course exactly the same,

1102
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,119
if not more. In fact, because you are American.

1103
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:41,760
Speaker 8: We're typically about eighty five percent.

1104
00:56:42,159 --> 00:56:45,159
Speaker 3: Really, well, that's fascinating, isn't it. So what you're saying

1105
00:56:45,199 --> 00:56:47,679
is some Americans don't like you. Let's move on, Jerry,

1106
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:53,800
stay in that, don't be rude, and you'll get the

1107
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,519
Facebook stats. Like me, I see in our group on

1108
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,400
Facebook it is about ninety four percent.

1109
00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 2: Of people in our group in America.

1110
00:57:01,199 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 3: And that's why I think the Tower of London comes

1111
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,360
to that top list, Because when you think paranormal, the

1112
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:16,199
backing the movement behind paranormal TV shows like Ghost Adventures, podcasts.

1113
00:57:15,679 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 2: Like Yours books.

1114
00:57:17,679 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 3: It's normally coming out of the United States, and when

1115
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:26,599
it comes to something famous in England, you think of

1116
00:57:26,599 --> 00:57:28,880
the Tower of London and then you add in, well,

1117
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,800
of course you know there were you know, Henry the

1118
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,280
Eighth killed, some of his wife's killed there. We had

1119
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,199
a thing actually in nineteen eighties here on British television.

1120
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 2: Where they did on Halloween. I think it was the BBC.

1121
00:57:42,679 --> 00:57:48,719
Speaker 3: Actually they did a live Halloween special and it was

1122
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,000
done at the Tower of London, well just outside the

1123
00:57:51,039 --> 00:57:53,840
Tower of Land, and it was amazing. I mean I

1124
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,519
remember watching it as a boy. I mean I was

1125
00:57:56,519 --> 00:57:58,840
a teenager. Jerry, you would have been in your late thirties,

1126
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:02,360
of course, but I was a teenage and we both

1127
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:07,119
had here then and I remember watching this and we

1128
00:58:07,159 --> 00:58:09,239
got to the end of it and it turned out

1129
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,079
it was just set up. It was a hoax. It

1130
00:58:11,159 --> 00:58:14,159
was almost like an April fool on Halloween. But that

1131
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,519
was done at Tower of London and I always thought, why,

1132
00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:20,639
I bet they're going to sell this the BBC America

1133
00:58:20,679 --> 00:58:23,119
where I live in the UK. Gabriel and I live

1134
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:27,039
in an area which has more castles per square mind

1135
00:58:27,239 --> 00:58:30,840
than anywhere else in the United Kingdom. Castles are literally

1136
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,360
at the end of every guard. I mean, we have anders.

1137
00:58:33,519 --> 00:58:37,679
We've got a famous castle here called Chillingham. It looks

1138
00:58:37,719 --> 00:58:42,920
haunted you and they do wonderful marketing for the castle itself.

1139
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:47,320
Now they claim to be the most haunted place in England.

1140
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,719
But then anybody that's watched Ghost Adventures know that the

1141
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:55,400
Zach Bagels came over and I think zach Bagels and

1142
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,280
they went to a pub. They went to a pub,

1143
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,400
and that was meant to be the most haunted place.

1144
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,360
So I think when it comes to the Tower of London,

1145
00:59:02,519 --> 00:59:05,159
because of its history, because of the Henry the Eighth Thing,

1146
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,880
because of Elizabeth, I I think people around the world

1147
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,039
can picture me. We're saying Tower of London now and

1148
00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:13,639
people can imagine the way it looks like. Do I

1149
00:59:13,679 --> 00:59:17,079
think it's the most haunted place? No, because no paranormalty

1150
00:59:17,199 --> 00:59:19,559
could ever get in there. Because of course, you know,

1151
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:22,280
if I was to say to you, Jerry, where do

1152
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:23,559
you keep your jewels?

1153
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,079
Speaker 2: You'll probably say in your trousers. We will move on

1154
00:59:26,159 --> 00:59:26,559
from that.

1155
00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 3: That's where the Queen of course keeps her Crown Jewels,

1156
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,320
so you're not going to find Zach Bagels wandering around

1157
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:33,920
with an SB seven spirit box.

1158
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:35,639
Speaker 2: It's a wonderful story.

1159
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,559
Speaker 3: It's got to be haunted from what's there, The Man

1160
00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:40,559
in the Iron Mask. What a story that is, What

1161
00:59:40,599 --> 00:59:43,280
a great film that was. So much has happened there

1162
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,400
over the years. But could it be the most haunted.

1163
00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:49,119
I don't think Jerry would ever find out, because nobody

1164
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:51,039
would be allowed. No, I think you and I should

1165
00:59:51,039 --> 00:59:54,320
try this. You should come over here, bring the addictive phone,

1166
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,679
bring your wife by the way as well, and we'll

1167
00:59:56,719 --> 00:59:57,079
go in.

1168
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 2: You get Tracy to switch off the lights and we'll

1169
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:03,400
do something.

1170
01:00:03,679 --> 01:00:07,119
Speaker 3: I think we'd probably arrested by the Church terrorism squad

1171
01:00:07,159 --> 01:00:08,119
in about three seconds.

1172
01:00:08,159 --> 01:00:11,599
Speaker 2: But is that what you think then that you're in America?

1173
01:00:11,679 --> 01:00:12,440
But I know you're a.

1174
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 3: Massive fan of everything British apart from myself, and you

1175
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:18,960
made that very When you think of the most haunted

1176
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,800
place in Great Britain, the United Kingdom, or just England

1177
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,039
living in Kentucky, is that what you think?

1178
01:00:24,199 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 2: Tower of London?

1179
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 8: No, actually it's not. But I'm partial to a couple

1180
01:00:29,039 --> 01:00:31,559
of stories. I've always kind of leaned more towards the

1181
01:00:31,559 --> 01:00:36,199
Boorly Rectory and Bileskin House has always been kind of

1182
01:00:36,199 --> 01:00:38,679
my top. But when it was, you know, not burnt down.

1183
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:43,719
Speaker 3: See I being English and doing a paranormal load of

1184
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:44,960
rubbish myself.

1185
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 2: I don't think of those two either. It's not weird.

1186
01:00:48,719 --> 01:00:50,599
Speaker 8: I was going to ask you what you know when

1187
01:00:50,639 --> 01:00:54,519
you have your chats, would like the other British podcasters

1188
01:00:54,599 --> 01:00:58,920
or paranormal folks, what do you guys feel comes up

1189
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:00,920
as the most haunted in your country?

1190
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 3: Well, the rector you mentioned that comes up, But you know,

1191
01:01:06,599 --> 01:01:12,199
I think it's I think, like anything paranorm it's down

1192
01:01:12,239 --> 01:01:15,199
to an interest. For instance, I live.

1193
01:01:15,079 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 2: In this area which is for the castle.

1194
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,679
Speaker 3: You know, the castles that have those you know, the

1195
01:01:19,719 --> 01:01:24,199
priest holes that they used to throw people dungeons. If you,

1196
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,400
if any of your listeners ever come to London on holiday,

1197
01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:30,360
one of the biggest places you have to go on

1198
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,079
the tourist trail is the London Dungeon. There's a couple

1199
01:01:33,159 --> 01:01:37,239
of them around England. York, Beautiful York, Old York of course,

1200
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:37,840
not New York.

1201
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:39,519
Speaker 2: It has one as well.

1202
01:01:39,719 --> 01:01:43,039
Speaker 3: So for me, there are so many castles, so many

1203
01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:46,800
castles where all these atrocities have and that's an interest

1204
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:51,480
for me, being castles some people, of course you don't.

1205
01:01:51,519 --> 01:01:54,559
Of course in America you don't have old pubs. But

1206
01:01:54,599 --> 01:01:58,199
we like the episode where Zach Bagels came over and

1207
01:01:58,199 --> 01:02:01,800
went to that old pub on Ghost Adventures. We have

1208
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,880
these pubs where you can go in and get you know,

1209
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,360
a pint or you know, a lemonade for yourself and

1210
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,320
you good lady. And these pubs are four or five

1211
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,599
hundred years old and they've been a pub for that lot.

1212
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 2: We have here.

1213
01:02:14,239 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 3: We have here where I am sat in mid tenth

1214
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:20,199
we have a mile and a half away the first

1215
01:02:20,519 --> 01:02:24,840
electric lighthouse in the world. And it's my favorite episode

1216
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:26,920
of Ghost Adventures where they went to a lighthouse.

1217
01:02:27,039 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 2: So I have a lighthouse thing going. That lighthouse is said.

1218
01:02:30,719 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 3: To be one of the most haunted places in Northern England.

1219
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 2: Now right next.

1220
01:02:35,159 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 3: To it is a bar, a pub, and it's built

1221
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:43,199
into the cliffs right on the sea Jerry and they

1222
01:02:43,719 --> 01:02:46,360
three hundred years ago they buried in and it used

1223
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,440
to be caves for pirates and.

1224
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 2: There were tunnels under the beach and then about one hundred.

1225
01:02:51,119 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 3: Years ago they made it into a bar and in

1226
01:02:53,519 --> 01:02:56,360
now it's a bar and restaurant. Well, imagine the stories

1227
01:02:56,559 --> 01:03:00,280
that place has got to tell. So I always thing

1228
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,719
when it comes to hauntings, it's.

1229
01:03:03,239 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 2: What your interest is.

1230
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,039
Speaker 3: When it comes to the Tower of London, I think

1231
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,280
a lot of people think of it being number one

1232
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:10,800
because Americans can picture it.

1233
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:12,559
Speaker 2: You know, you can't picture my light as or.

1234
01:03:12,559 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 3: My little pub or you know, a pub in Wiltshire

1235
01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:18,719
which is four hundred years old. You can picture the

1236
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,039
Tower of London and get the stories and of course

1237
01:03:21,079 --> 01:03:23,840
you will tell later in this episode some amazing stories

1238
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:27,039
about So for me, no, but you know me, Jerry,

1239
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:31,159
I'm a cryptoid fan and I'm not talking about the

1240
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:35,559
x Y before me. I'm a cryptoid fan, and I

1241
01:03:35,639 --> 01:03:39,440
have to add in that I know it's Tara London show,

1242
01:03:39,519 --> 01:03:43,519
but I've always loved the whole cryptoid thing, the Bigfoot

1243
01:03:43,559 --> 01:03:47,960
stories ever since. You know, I was about thirteen, fourteen years.

1244
01:03:47,719 --> 01:03:50,199
Speaker 2: Old, and again you would have been in your late fourties.

1245
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:54,039
Speaker 3: And we had the Monstra Boggie Creek that came onto

1246
01:03:54,159 --> 01:03:59,079
the BB'SU that terrified and gable and I watch fine

1247
01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:02,000
in Bigfoot. By the way, Jerry, they haven't found him yet.

1248
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:03,760
Don't want to give you a spoiler, but not yet.

1249
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:05,239
Speaker 2: I know, not yet.

1250
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:08,519
Speaker 3: And I was gutted. I was gutted because we're so

1251
01:04:08,679 --> 01:04:12,639
behind here. The Finding Bigfoot team came to the UK

1252
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,320
to look for Bigfoot. How he got a pass, Paul

1253
01:04:15,519 --> 01:04:17,280
and got on the plane, I have no idea, But

1254
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:20,719
the Finding Bigfoot team came to the UK and they

1255
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,599
investigated four miles from my house.

1256
01:04:24,159 --> 01:04:25,199
Speaker 2: Now, I love that show.

1257
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,599
Speaker 3: And if I had known that, we would have gone there.

1258
01:04:28,719 --> 01:04:30,679
Gabor and I would have gone there, hid in the

1259
01:04:30,679 --> 01:04:34,199
woods and started knocking the trees. You know what I'm saying, Jerry,

1260
01:04:35,679 --> 01:04:38,639
we would have done the calls. We would have ruined it,

1261
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:44,760
you know, Small Fat Bold, host of second rate American

1262
01:04:45,239 --> 01:04:49,519
paranormal podcast Ruins American Network TV show. They would have

1263
01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:52,119
had to come, they would have had to rebooted, like me, Jerry,

1264
01:04:52,119 --> 01:04:55,480
and it would have been tonight on Found Bigfoot and

1265
01:04:55,519 --> 01:04:56,920
that's the end of it would have been the end.

1266
01:04:58,199 --> 01:05:00,639
Are we talking about the Tower of London? How did

1267
01:05:00,679 --> 01:05:01,239
we get onto?

1268
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 8: Well, no wonder. You have a time just wander off

1269
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:05,840
and just do what you're do your own thing.

1270
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,119
Speaker 2: So it's the medication. I'm on. Let me tell you,

1271
01:05:08,199 --> 01:05:10,840
and it's old age as well. It's where am I?

1272
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,400
Who are you? Where am I?

1273
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 3: Well, wouldn't believe my episodes are only eight minutes Long's.

1274
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, unlike our show. Like I said, I think one

1275
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:23,679
time you said our shows some of them lasted for

1276
01:05:23,719 --> 01:05:25,599
like three days, which is not the case.

1277
01:05:26,599 --> 01:05:28,679
Speaker 3: No, and it is true because when you know, when

1278
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,440
I start up, you know your show, and I think

1279
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:33,519
it's going to be great, And then of course Tracy

1280
01:05:33,559 --> 01:05:37,239
starts talking and the tracysm start coming out, and I'm

1281
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:39,840
using Google translated workout what knows of your wife's saying?

1282
01:05:41,639 --> 01:05:43,760
And then I think, right that, you know they're onto, Well,

1283
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:45,239
they're going back to Bobby Mackie's.

1284
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 2: So the next thing I know.

1285
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 3: I've I've grabbed a sleeping bag and I've ordered a takeout,

1286
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:56,199
and well it is three days later, I've aged. You know,

1287
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:58,719
people are banging on the door, thinking I've collapsed on

1288
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:00,440
the stairs, and I say, no, I'm listening to the

1289
01:06:00,519 --> 01:06:03,679
latest episode of Hillbilly Horror Stories, Trace is on one tonight.

1290
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 8: Well, enough about our shows, about you.

1291
01:06:14,039 --> 01:06:15,559
Speaker 2: Jerry, me me.

1292
01:06:18,679 --> 01:06:21,159
Speaker 8: Tell us how how everybody can find scared. I can't

1293
01:06:21,199 --> 01:06:23,480
imagine that people aren't already listening to it. But if

1294
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:25,639
they're not, tell them how they can find you, tell

1295
01:06:25,679 --> 01:06:27,920
them about you on social media and all the different

1296
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:29,000
ways that they can connect.

1297
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:31,679
Speaker 3: All they have to donate is one hundred dollars and

1298
01:06:31,719 --> 01:06:35,840
I will share the private website right now. Just search

1299
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,519
on Google Play, search on Stitcher.

1300
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:41,559
Speaker 2: I have no idea what that is. Everybody seems to

1301
01:06:41,559 --> 01:06:42,199
talk about.

1302
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 3: It, or of course in your iTunes or your podcast

1303
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,920
app for Scared. Scared's got a question mark is a question,

1304
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:51,840
but you don't need to put questions do just search

1305
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,840
for Scared or you can find us at Scared podcast

1306
01:06:55,119 --> 01:07:00,159
dot com. And and we're very, very different to.

1307
01:07:02,119 --> 01:07:03,159
Speaker 2: Jerry's show.

1308
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 3: But I've now decided Jerry to bring my wife on

1309
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,880
and I'm going to start selling shower curtains.

1310
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:16,519
Speaker 2: Now have you thought about that yourself.

1311
01:07:16,639 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 8: Well, I'm completely fine with it because I'm partial to

1312
01:07:19,519 --> 01:07:21,840
the shower curtain business to begin with.

1313
01:07:22,679 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 3: And that's your new business.

1314
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 8: That's that's you know, Hey, there's a niche out there

1315
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,800
for it, and people just overlooked it. But you know,

1316
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,000
now that we've sold the first one in six months,

1317
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:35,400
it's got to be a market out there it's ready

1318
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:36,920
to boom. You know, once you get that first one

1319
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:40,360
out of the way, the rest are just it must

1320
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:40,760
be great.

1321
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:42,679
Speaker 3: You know, you'll be in a bar with Tracy having

1322
01:07:42,679 --> 01:07:45,559
a male, you know, with the with your children and

1323
01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:48,199
your grandchildren and your great grandchildren and of course your

1324
01:07:48,199 --> 01:07:51,599
great great great grandchildren, and people will come up and

1325
01:07:51,639 --> 01:07:54,960
they say, you know, what do you do anything apart

1326
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:58,199
from work? And Tracy wants to go, well, we've got this,

1327
01:07:58,239 --> 01:08:01,079
We've got this enormous podcast, but just go well, we

1328
01:08:01,119 --> 01:08:02,079
sell shower curtains.

1329
01:08:02,119 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 2: That's what we do, sell the shower curtain.

1330
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 8: Well, I mean, you've been in radio. You can't you

1331
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:07,199
can't bury the lead.

1332
01:08:08,239 --> 01:08:11,079
Speaker 3: That's all they care about. How did you find He'll

1333
01:08:11,119 --> 01:08:13,360
be horror stories? Was it you know, from a friend

1334
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:14,719
or was it social media?

1335
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:15,079
Speaker 2: Well?

1336
01:08:15,079 --> 01:08:17,239
Speaker 3: I bought a shower curtain and it turned out there

1337
01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:18,439
was a show behind it.

1338
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:19,079
Speaker 2: Amazing.

1339
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 3: You can find us on Facebook just search for Scared

1340
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,720
and Twitter scared and Instagram scared.

1341
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:27,600
Speaker 2: And oh I didn't know. It's quite easy.

1342
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:31,039
Speaker 3: I told you before, Jerry, Right, I have two brain

1343
01:08:31,119 --> 01:08:33,840
cells and the two of them don't like each other.

1344
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:37,039
They don't talk to one of them. So when I

1345
01:08:37,079 --> 01:08:39,720
wanted to come up with a paranal show. I came

1346
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:43,239
up the word scared because I anything else have bene

1347
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:47,800
and you know, because and I thought, well that works.

1348
01:08:49,119 --> 01:08:50,159
Speaker 2: I've said to you before.

1349
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 3: You know, And if I had here a shop that

1350
01:08:54,840 --> 01:09:00,159
sold something like flowers, it wouldn't be Phil's Florix. Just

1351
01:09:00,199 --> 01:09:02,840
call it the flower shop. If I had we have

1352
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,079
sweet shops here, and you and I have spoken about this,

1353
01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:07,159
you call it candy. Of course in America, where you

1354
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:09,479
take our language and change all the words so we

1355
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:12,000
have no idea what you're saying, I would call it

1356
01:09:12,039 --> 01:09:14,199
the sweet shop or the candy stuff. And it's the

1357
01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:17,720
same when I when I did my my crime show,

1358
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:19,479
it's called Worse Crimes Ever.

1359
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 2: Because that's as far as my brain will go. I

1360
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,159
couldn't come up with something clever.

1361
01:09:23,399 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 3: You know, there's there's a there's a crime show out

1362
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:26,600
there called case File.

1363
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 2: I don't even know what that means.

1364
01:09:28,399 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 3: Mine is work, Mine is Worse Crimes Ever. And that's

1365
01:09:33,319 --> 01:09:36,880
as far as I go. When I read Hillbilly horror stories,

1366
01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:39,199
I had to put that into Google to work out

1367
01:09:39,199 --> 01:09:40,359
what the three words meant.

1368
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:44,239
Speaker 2: I'm all right now, but you can find us everywhere.

1369
01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 3: Please do and please do because we need the listeners.

1370
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:52,640
Speaker 8: Well for everyone that says that the British don't have

1371
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:56,760
a sense of humor, here was your proof. Phil Great

1372
01:09:56,800 --> 01:10:01,159
heaven Yon Brother, more blessing, more time coming up. We'll

1373
01:10:01,199 --> 01:10:03,439
have you back on again sometime in the future and

1374
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:06,079
we do some more English stories. And you've always got

1375
01:10:06,079 --> 01:10:07,880
great stories to tell. That's why I love having you on.

1376
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,520
I can just kind of let you go and yeah,

1377
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,239
I know it's going to be it's going to be

1378
01:10:12,319 --> 01:10:14,800
great stuff to listen to. So it's been fun. I

1379
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:15,439
appreciate it.

1380
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:18,239
Speaker 2: Hey man, you know, thanks for your kind of words

1381
01:10:18,239 --> 01:10:18,880
at the beginning.

1382
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:21,279
Speaker 3: The wonderful thing about this is, I go back to

1383
01:10:21,319 --> 01:10:25,119
that community word actually that you and I and Tracy

1384
01:10:25,199 --> 01:10:29,079
have become friends. Tracy and me a bit more than

1385
01:10:29,159 --> 01:10:31,359
me and you, of course, I mean, who can blame

1386
01:10:31,399 --> 01:10:34,399
her because she seems to have a thing for short, old,

1387
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:40,000
slightly overweight man. But but we've all become friends, and

1388
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:43,159
you guys support me and my show, and you support

1389
01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:46,279
my son and in our lives, and you're lovely people.

1390
01:10:46,319 --> 01:10:47,560
Speaker 2: So thank you so so much.

1391
01:10:48,199 --> 01:10:50,520
Speaker 8: I appreciate it, man, and you guys are easy to

1392
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:53,119
get along with. So it's not that big of a

1393
01:10:53,199 --> 01:10:55,640
chore and hour end, that's for sure. How can you

1394
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,000
not listen to Phil Holmes and not want to just

1395
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:00,239
run right over and listen to his show. He's so

1396
01:11:00,319 --> 01:11:00,920
damn funny.

1397
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,119
Speaker 9: He is funny. I love his accent.

1398
01:11:03,199 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 8: And every time we get on the phone it seems

1399
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:06,920
like we're on the phone for like two hours.

1400
01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:09,239
Speaker 9: Yeah. Yeah, he's a pretty fun guy. I'm a real

1401
01:11:09,359 --> 01:11:09,800
nice guy.

1402
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:13,199
Speaker 8: So check out scared when you get the opportunity. At

1403
01:11:13,199 --> 01:11:16,880
the beginning of the show, you heard a new friend

1404
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:19,479
of ours, a new member of the Dark Mets collective,

1405
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:22,479
Katie Burn her show Southern Grimore.

1406
01:11:23,319 --> 01:11:26,560
Speaker 9: I say that right, Yeah, yeah, I think so.

1407
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 8: Her show is really good. It's one that you know,

1408
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,079
we don't steer you wrong on shows. Go listen to it.

1409
01:11:32,399 --> 01:11:36,800
She's fairly new. She's got you know, I think eight

1410
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,439
or nine episodes. It's not a lot of episodes yet,

1411
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,359
but you'll like what you hear. Once you start listening

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to you'll be stuck to it. And they're not really long,

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so like our shows. So yeah, I think you'll love it.

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Just feel, you know, like to make fun of our

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length of our shows, But give him a Listen, guys,

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we can't thank you enough for everything you do for us,

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all the reviews, all the shirts that you buy. We

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just posted a picture of Natasha Ali, who runs our

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Facebook group, and the shirt that she's got. We can't.

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I want to give a special thank you for her.

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She puts in a lot of work. It sure does

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help us and we greatly appreciate that. So you can

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buy your own shirts, he'llgially. Horror stories dot Com added

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a couple of new logos to it, so we got six, seven,

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eight logos out there now. So these are a little

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more plain and simple with people like those. Also, I

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wanted to mention again we've got a code coming. But

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we will be at Pottern Love Podcast Festival in August.

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Speaker 9: So excited for that, cannot wait.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's going to be generation why it is going

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to be there, Twisted Philly be their history goes bump

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pleasing terrors. I can't even begin the name di mention everybody,

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but if you just go to Pottern Love Podcast Festival,

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you'll be able to check them out online and be

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able to see everything. And as soon as we get

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a discount code, probably hopefully by next week's show, we'll

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be able to give it to you and you can

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save some money on tickets.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that sounds great. I want to give a shout

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out to our wildcats. Go Cats.

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Speaker 8: Yep, sweet sixteen, Go Cats.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, proud of you guys, keep on going.

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Speaker 8: And for all you Louisville Cardinal fans. So there's always

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five years from now. Yeah sorry after you know, all

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the probation and stuff like.

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Speaker 9: That, but sorry little birdies.

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Speaker 8: All right, guys, thank you so much. We love you

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and we'll see you next week.

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Speaker 9: Love you guys. Hope you have a great week.