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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, everybody, Welcome to Iron the Ball here on
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Speaker 3: No, actually have a request. What's that from our conversation
Speaker 3: just a second ago. From now on, I want you
Speaker 3: to give me a list of the questions you're gonna
Speaker 3: ask me every day.
Speaker 2: That would be too much to ask for me, because
Speaker 2: you know I like to wiget and stuff that comes
Speaker 2: off the top of my heads. Well, I didn't have
Speaker 2: to get my questions to prove That'll take it out to.
Speaker 3: Right right, right exactly, and I'll get back to you
Speaker 3: and within that I can answer any of these questions.
Speaker 2: That's the world, that's the way, and you're talking. You
Speaker 2: can kind of fill people in with this, but that's
Speaker 2: the kind of the world we live in where we
Speaker 2: don't want to be shocked or surprised by a question.
Speaker 3: Right and and and us as as writers, right and
Speaker 3: that's mostly when I'm time about us as writers. You know,
Speaker 3: we we want you hand can handed answers, not canned answers, candid.
Speaker 2: Because you're gonna have a follow up from the follow up,
Speaker 2: probably gonna half right, okay, oh, by the way, and
Speaker 2: then they're not prepared for it.
Speaker 3: I was just I'm just I'm rand you know, I
Speaker 3: you know I have to do I'm you know, you know,
Speaker 3: Steve and I both write for business on and I'm
Speaker 3: working on getting an interview, and the and the PR
Speaker 3: person for the person that I need to interview wants
Speaker 3: my questions ahead of time. I never did you ever
Speaker 3: what you say? I said, I don't write. I don't
Speaker 3: I don't write questions down before asking. So these are
Speaker 3: the things I want to talk about. And that's it.
Speaker 2: Do you think that that would pooh pooh the interview
Speaker 2: without them knowing?
Speaker 3: Well, if it does, sorry for them, then they're not
Speaker 3: in bustis on right right?
Speaker 2: Right? So So I did this. I got screwed this
Speaker 2: one time, like four years ago. Uh, we had a
Speaker 2: new boss somewhere I won't say where, and uh, and
Speaker 2: the someone wanted questions before the interview, and I says,
Speaker 2: the media doesn't we don't do that, but we usually
Speaker 2: don't do that, and so she said, okay, she took
Speaker 2: me for anur word and trusted me right. Well, she
Speaker 2: went to and she went to a function, talked to
Speaker 2: a radio guy kind of like us. You may may
Speaker 2: not know him, but somewhere else. And he said, oh, sure,
Speaker 2: we get questions told to us all the time, like
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, you son of a you son of
Speaker 2: a gun. One you're lying and two where So she
Speaker 2: came back to tell me you were wrong, and this
Speaker 2: guy told me and I'm thinking, there's no way and
Speaker 2: he threw me under the bus without knowing that I
Speaker 2: was under the I was in front of the bus,
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, it doesn't work that way. It doesn't
Speaker 2: work that way.
Speaker 3: And as I mentioned, you know, having been on the
Speaker 3: other side where I was the pr.
Speaker 2: Person, did you ever ask it?
Speaker 3: No, because you know the people that I worked for,
Speaker 3: they you know, who were going to do an interview.
Speaker 3: I said, well, can you get a list of questions?
Speaker 3: And I wouldn't even ask. I just say no, I'm
Speaker 3: not going to ask for that because you know they
Speaker 3: you know, these people that interview you, they want you know, Now,
Speaker 3: do I ask them? What are we talking about. Sure,
Speaker 3: you know, what do you want to talk about? Well,
Speaker 3: we talk about this, Okay, that's what we're gonna talk about.
Speaker 3: And I'm not gonna Plus, I'm not gonna sit there
Speaker 3: and have a list of questions and ask those questions
Speaker 3: in order. Sure right, I'm gonna ask a question that's
Speaker 3: gonna lead to another question and another question and another question.
Speaker 2: Sure. Sure.
Speaker 3: So for those of you out there who have pr
Speaker 3: people and you tell them go get a list of questions.
Speaker 2: Stop, Yeah, it's not it's not right now, it's not appropriate,
Speaker 2: it's not it's just not kosher whatever whatever the words are.
Speaker 3: Again, we you know we're not. You know we're not.
Speaker 3: If I did that, then I'm just gonna send you
Speaker 3: an email. Here are the questions, answer those and maybe
Speaker 3: I'll use it.
Speaker 2: Right. Well, the funny thing about is on this show
Speaker 2: that we do, and we're former journalists, we're now storytellers. Uh,
Speaker 2: people who come on and say, what are we gonna
Speaker 2: talk about? Well, this is what we're going to kind
Speaker 2: of the general area. And some have said, well, I
Speaker 2: can't really talk about this yet because it's not official,
Speaker 2: So we abide by this. Say it's kind of like
Speaker 2: an embargo. We kind of we kind of just okay,
Speaker 2: we obligate, we were obligated to that for them to
Speaker 2: come on and be as truthful as the camera.
Speaker 3: We don't.
Speaker 2: We don't say okay, this, this and this, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and people know that, people who listen know that we
Speaker 2: kind of just shoot off the coup. This is not
Speaker 2: as we are as we are right now, this is
Speaker 2: a descripted event.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, sorry to rant on that, just a little
Speaker 3: uh you know, a little advice for those of you
Speaker 3: who either you are a PR person or or you
Speaker 3: you have PR people, don't ask reporters for their questions.
Speaker 3: They're not going to and if they give them to you,
Speaker 3: then they're not real reporters. How's that. Let's just say that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Well, so welcome today to Wednesday Show. I
Speaker 2: think we have a pretty good one. It'll be on
Speaker 2: the back end.
Speaker 3: It on the back end.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So we got Scott Scott H. McKee, McKee's say
Speaker 2: another name, different name. I'm glad we didn't. Scott McKey
Speaker 2: coming into a pretty good situation, we think, right.
Speaker 3: Right, he's the head coach, he's the new head coach
Speaker 3: at cd O. Dustin peace Uh left the position after
Speaker 3: the state championship last year, so Scott McKee was his
Speaker 3: lead assistant. Got the Scott was also the head coach
Speaker 3: at Sorrow for a number of years, my alma mater,
Speaker 3: not while I was there. I think I could be
Speaker 3: Scott's father. But you know, he's now the head coach
Speaker 3: at CEO and he's got a team that's coming off
Speaker 3: a state championships, So we'll see how that's going for him.
Speaker 2: That's a four to seventeen ish right. And then about
Speaker 2: a half hour later, we're gonna have m'hamma, ten year
Speaker 2: former U of a basketball player. He's coming in for
Speaker 2: the lude Olsen camp and he lives up in Phoenix,
Speaker 2: so we'll talk to him about all that and more.
Speaker 2: You know, he's very grateful for bringing him here and
Speaker 2: his life kind of changed because of it. We're also
Speaker 2: talked about about something that that he had. He had
Speaker 2: the Ludelsen Udlson like a tournament he bought his kind
Speaker 2: of his kids from Mali or Molli Bali. Yeah, well
Speaker 2: he brought him in and they played like a big
Speaker 2: tournament right here. And that was like a two three
Speaker 2: year deal and we'll see how that turned out. I'm
Speaker 2: wondering if any of those kids played somewhere our state. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because there were kids then they were like fifteen sixteen.
Speaker 2: So we'll talk about about all that. Yeah, okay, we
Speaker 2: have Henry today. Hello, Henry, what's up?
Speaker 3: Henry?
Speaker 2: You're just days away from your school?
Speaker 4: Yep, it starts twenty six.
Speaker 2: Twenty sixth, you know. Okay, so you got a couple
Speaker 2: of days, a couple of the few days to have
Speaker 2: fun and have the crowd back. Yeah, okay, all right,
Speaker 2: so here we go, man, Yeah, another day closer to you,
Speaker 2: a football getting getting some good things. Yeah, Chister Burnette,
Speaker 2: his son a key on right. Yes, he's supposed to
Speaker 2: be doing very.
Speaker 3: Well, also doing very well. And you know, I think
Speaker 3: you know, people said during the spring the tight end
Speaker 3: was going to be a very important position for Brent
Speaker 3: Brannan's offense. That there may be times when they line
Speaker 3: up three tight ends in an offensive set, which would
Speaker 3: be interesting because there was a time when Arizona were
Speaker 3: lying no off no tight ends in an offensive set,
Speaker 3: or we were always getting told they were going to
Speaker 3: and then they never did. So it'll be interesting to
Speaker 3: see what what's going on there. But Kean Burnette. You
Speaker 3: know guys not I don't want to say the forgotten
Speaker 3: guy because he's a legacy, you know, with his dad
Speaker 3: having been here, people have never forgot about him. But
Speaker 3: you know, of the of the guys that came over
Speaker 3: from Servit, uh Fafida McMillan and Jacob Manu, keyum Bernet's
Speaker 3: sort of been the fourth guy. But if he steps
Speaker 3: up and has a big year at tight End and
Speaker 3: is a big part of what they're doing, he'll get
Speaker 3: all He'll get plenty of attention.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so so we'll see. There's so many things going on, Uh,
Speaker 2: Jacob Manu, I think you have some bricking news on
Speaker 2: him to.
Speaker 3: Well all these award nominations, right, we need to compile
Speaker 3: a list of all of them because they're like all
Speaker 3: over the board.
Speaker 2: But there was more out today, right, Okay, so we'll
Speaker 2: talk about that on bricking news, h anything else.
Speaker 3: So we need to talk about no, you know, Dodgers
Speaker 3: went again. Do you want to know that?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: Let's end with that that conversation, listener, Bill, I had
Speaker 2: no control.
Speaker 3: Tony went yard again. You know, we had that conversation
Speaker 3: with Jack regarding show Hey as whether or not he
Speaker 3: should be m v P, you know, on top of
Speaker 3: the fact that I don't think even I would give
Speaker 3: him the m VP for as a DH. No DH
Speaker 3: has ever gotten the m v P, and I I,
Speaker 3: you know, I argue, you know, Edgar Martinez, who was
Speaker 3: a career designated here for the for the Mariners, got
Speaker 3: into the Hall of Fame, and I don't know that
Speaker 3: I'd put somebody in the Hall of Fame for playing
Speaker 3: half the game, right.
Speaker 2: It's well, it's kind of like, I don't know, did
Speaker 2: you see the controversy if there was a controversy with
Speaker 2: the USA Olympic and every can come in on this too, Lebron,
Speaker 2: it was the m v P right of the thing,
Speaker 2: and people were saying he really wasn't the MVP. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and maybe Steph should have been because of the last
Speaker 2: few games. But you know how it is because you've
Speaker 2: you've been part of it on both sides when you
Speaker 2: vote for those.
Speaker 3: Things a few minutes before the game is over, a
Speaker 3: few minutes before probably or maybe even in that situation,
Speaker 3: probably before the fourth quarter even.
Speaker 2: Began, correct, because I know what football they do to wait.
Speaker 3: For, you know, yeah, the bowl games and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you got in fourth core ten minutes left,
Speaker 2: all the dramas still to be played.
Speaker 3: And then maybe a kicker kicks a when your field
Speaker 3: goal and you didn't get to vote for him or whatever.
Speaker 2: So what did you think? Did he deserve to be
Speaker 2: m v P?
Speaker 4: I mean, stuff carried the last two games, but I
Speaker 4: think it's fair.
Speaker 3: Look well to me. To me, that's it reeks of
Speaker 3: some of a thing that people were going to give
Speaker 3: him the m v P at the beginning, and the
Speaker 3: only way he wasn't going to get it is some
Speaker 3: somebody did something extraordinary outside of that. Because he was
Speaker 3: the name, right, Let's give it to Lebron, because he's
Speaker 3: the guy, he's the old guy. He plays all the time,
Speaker 3: you know, he plays the whole game. Whatever. You know,
Speaker 3: let's give it to him unless something else happens, right,
Speaker 3: And I you know, and again what happened there at
Speaker 3: the end of that championship game. Was m VP worthy
Speaker 3: for Steph.
Speaker 2: Curry back to Gas?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So uh, you know I wouldn't have given it
Speaker 3: to him, I did, I say, and I saw the games, right, Look,
Speaker 3: did he have an impact? Of course? Did he have
Speaker 3: of Lebron? Did he have the most impact maybe you know,
Speaker 3: he held things to get other you know, he played well,
Speaker 3: clearly the leader of the team. But you know, could
Speaker 3: they have won it without him? Probably not, but they
Speaker 3: wouldn't have won it without Steph Curry for sure. So
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know that, you know, he
Speaker 3: was kind of I guess you would say he was
Speaker 3: the default m v P unless somebody did something to
Speaker 3: override that, right, And and you can argue whether or
Speaker 3: not you thought Steph Curry did enough to override that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and we were talking about the thing before
Speaker 2: with your who were talking about when he transitioned into
Speaker 2: that m.
Speaker 6: V P.
Speaker 2: Got oh, yeah, yeah, there was also something. I'm sure
Speaker 2: that's tough because it's like he's such.
Speaker 3: A great player that they want to give it to
Speaker 3: him because he pitches and he hits, but he's not pitching,
Speaker 3: he's just hitting.
Speaker 2: Has that Has that anything like this happened before DH?
Speaker 3: No, That's what I'm saying. No, No DH has ever
Speaker 3: won it. And there have been some great ones, you know,
Speaker 3: Frank Thomas was mostly a d H. Yeah, a bunch
Speaker 3: of guys like that. But you know, but even those
Speaker 3: guys played the field some I just don't know that
Speaker 3: you should get, you know, an MVP for only doing
Speaker 3: one thing. And again, he's as good a hitter as
Speaker 3: there is in the major leagues. I think he leads.
Speaker 3: He leads the National League and maybe the Major leagues.
Speaker 3: And homers, he's got a bunch of stolen bases, he's
Speaker 3: gonna be a forty to forty guy, all that stuff.
Speaker 3: But he's not in the fielding and he's not pitching.
Speaker 3: So I don't know. I don't know that you give it,
Speaker 3: you give you give it to somebody who's doing both
Speaker 3: of those things. And you know, and there's some there's
Speaker 3: plenty of guys to think of. You know, Jack mcgrider
Speaker 3: brought up, can tell Marte uh, you know, the guy
Speaker 3: for the Diamondbacks. I mean, I would I would hate
Speaker 3: for him to get it because he's a Diamondback. But
Speaker 3: that's beside the point. The point being that it's kind
Speaker 3: of like if Showhy was doing this, just hitting and
Speaker 3: hitting like this for the Angels, the White Sox, you
Speaker 3: know somebody like that. Is he even in consideration for
Speaker 3: the m v P. Probably not so And and and again,
Speaker 3: as a as a huge Ober fan, I don't know
Speaker 3: that i'd give it that to him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I really don't. Well, let me write that down.
Speaker 5: What's today, August. Well, I said it yesterday too. No,
Speaker 5: I said it with Jack was on the phone. We
Speaker 5: had Jack on Monday. I said, I said it to
Speaker 5: him that I don't know that i'd give show Hey
Speaker 5: the m v P. I don't know who i'd give
Speaker 5: it to.
Speaker 2: You know, you said, I don't know, just say you won't.
Speaker 3: No, I don't. I don't know. I mean it's could
Speaker 3: tell Marte the guy, right? Who else is? Who else
Speaker 3: is out there that's having that kind of year? I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean Bryce Harper.
Speaker 3: We have Bryce Harper, who's on my fantasy team, right,
Speaker 3: Elie Dela Cruz. You know, but he's on the team
Speaker 3: that's not it's not not great.
Speaker 2: So you know, that's tough to do that, and that
Speaker 2: counts for me to to me, he should.
Speaker 3: That always counts. How good is your team? You know,
Speaker 3: how good have you made your team?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 3: You know that's why you know when when they gave
Speaker 3: when they gave uh the guy from L s u
Speaker 3: U the Heisman Trophy. Last year's team wasn't even in
Speaker 3: a major bowl, right, and but they gave him. They
Speaker 3: gave him the trophy because he's from the SEC right
Speaker 3: over the guy who got his team to the national
Speaker 3: championship game. So that how your team does counts for me,
Speaker 3: and in this kind of stuff, it really does.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, you know what you need to get on?
Speaker 2: Did did they put softball back on the the roster of.
Speaker 3: For next year?
Speaker 2: Next year?
Speaker 3: For Yeah, because they're gonna play in Oklahoma City? Remember, like,
Speaker 3: what are you doing? The Olympics are in l A.
Speaker 3: Why why can't you play it in LA.
Speaker 2: We're gonna get on because he said he'd come back
Speaker 2: on And I spaced that too because you talking about
Speaker 2: the Olympics, Well there was no soft also, Yeah, we'll
Speaker 2: talk to him about that. Yeah, you know, because he's
Speaker 2: still out doing his clinics and he's helping the other
Speaker 2: other teams do well and obviously no no breaking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I guess I guess. What I didn't know
Speaker 3: is that uh hosting city determined can pick sports.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I realized I heard that at the U when
Speaker 2: they're doing breaking. This is if you're the host school,
Speaker 2: oh school, holdst the host of the event that's determined to.
Speaker 3: Say you can you can pick a sport like that,
Speaker 3: like break down. You know the skateboarding was the was
Speaker 3: the I don't know if they're back. I know it
Speaker 3: was a it was a it was an Olympic event
Speaker 3: this last year, fifty one year old guy won to medal.
Speaker 3: No fifteen, No, but there was when they're a fifty
Speaker 3: one an old guy. Not there was an old guy
Speaker 3: break dancing. No, in skateboarding.
Speaker 2: No, I don't it's not fifteen.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe I saw the number one, just like I'm dyslexic.
Speaker 3: You don't know it. There could be something like fifty. Well,
Speaker 3: because I said, like fifteen, Google doing on a on
Speaker 3: a skateboard breaking you google it. Okay, all right, we're
Speaker 3: gonna take our break. We're gonna we're gonna be back.
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Speaker 1: on the Ball with Steve Bravera and Jay Gonzalez on
Speaker 1: Fox Sports fourteen fifteen.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to on the ball Hero on Fox
Speaker 2: Sports fourteen fifteen. I'm Steve, you or Jay. We have
Speaker 2: Henry with us fifteen more minutes for this break. If
Speaker 2: you like to call us, please do five to two
Speaker 2: zero four one six seventy four forty. We'd appreciate you
Speaker 2: gonna through the first hour. Our guests are on the
Speaker 2: back end of the second hour, right, So just to
Speaker 2: clarify with your skateboard.
Speaker 3: Okay, I found I guess an Australian girl fourteen year
Speaker 3: old Australian girl won an Olympic gold medal in skateboarding
Speaker 3: this last year, so I guess I must have. I
Speaker 3: don't know what I saw. I swear I saw some
Speaker 3: at fifty one.
Speaker 2: But the skateboard should have done the breakdancing.
Speaker 3: There's still people talking about.
Speaker 2: Oh have you seen the memes? The oh they're so funny,
Speaker 2: they're so funny to the music that she's dancing with
Speaker 2: and you remember Seinfeld with with what's her name? Who's
Speaker 2: the girl? Elaine? Her funny dances they put they put fantastic.
Speaker 2: People are funny. People are very funny.
Speaker 3: Well, they're creative, but sometimes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they go overboard, you know, talk about goose like that.
Speaker 2: Talk about Goose exactly exactly. Thanks by the way, uh
Speaker 2: uh Nico for Colin, I hope you're after the show.
Speaker 2: Activity was fine for you, oh man.
Speaker 3: So anyways, you have my Wednesday lunch and everybody's still
Speaker 3: fired up about football, can't we?
Speaker 2: So I got I was doing a show with Phoenix
Speaker 2: today and they asked me, what do you think the
Speaker 2: excitement is in Tucson?
Speaker 3: So I get out.
Speaker 2: You get out and you talk to your guys and
Speaker 2: your group. I apparently haven't talked to enough people out
Speaker 2: in the real world to get the vibe of real excitement.
Speaker 2: I'm getting a tempered excitement.
Speaker 3: Hmmm, what do you get? No, No, I think people
Speaker 3: are pretty fired up, you know. Well, look, I mean
Speaker 3: the fans that I hang out with are fans who
Speaker 3: are who have been stung by previous seasons like I
Speaker 3: have been, you know, and so they are tempered in
Speaker 3: their in their excitement. They're worried that you know, uh
Speaker 3: you know, maybe they're you know, like, you know, are
Speaker 3: they expect can well the expectations get to be too
Speaker 3: much for this team, right, and that that's certainly got
Speaker 3: to be a concern. On the other hand, what you
Speaker 3: see about this team or what you think you see
Speaker 3: about this team and how they how they approach, and
Speaker 3: what what's written about them, and what what we see
Speaker 3: is that this is a group that maybe doesn't phase
Speaker 3: by that you know, who knows, who knows what it is?
Speaker 2: We won't know until we get there.
Speaker 3: Right and you know, and we're having fun talking about
Speaker 3: you know when when we had a chance to talk
Speaker 3: to Dwayne l. Keina at that at that media day,
Speaker 3: and he and he was talking about the fact that
Speaker 3: the ninety nine team, coming off the twelve of one season,
Speaker 3: that the coaches knew that they weren't as good as
Speaker 3: everybody was saying, and then they had decided to go
Speaker 3: play Penn State in the opener and and and he said,
Speaker 3: we just knew we weren't We weren't ready for that.
Speaker 3: We were in over our heads.
Speaker 2: Do we play that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? We did?
Speaker 2: Because I thought his answer, and I was there with you,
Speaker 2: I thought his answer was brilliant and very honest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, he said that, and you know that they
Speaker 3: were in over their heads. There was a reach to
Speaker 3: to play that game. He said, we didn't have Chris
Speaker 3: McCallister anymore. And that was enough enough said about that
Speaker 3: you know, and Penn State played a different brand of
Speaker 3: football than LeVar Arrington and some of these.
Speaker 2: Games right right right lebar Ariton's right. I was gonna say,
Speaker 2: Jesse understood, but lear Yeah, yeah, and yeah, they their
Speaker 2: eyes were bigger than the stomach.
Speaker 3: And then and then, as you know, as Dick said, uh,
Speaker 3: I know, I don't remember if he said this publicly.
Speaker 3: I know he said it to me that he said
Speaker 3: Keith Smith Smith got hit so hard in that game
Speaker 3: that he was done for the season at that game.
Speaker 3: Mostly yeah, mentally, mentally well, he was mentally just he
Speaker 3: just never recovered from it. Is basically what he said.
Speaker 2: I also can remember maybe Anthony or whoever covered the
Speaker 2: team back in the day can correct me. They didn't hit.
Speaker 3: Much before that, Yeah, that's what you said.
Speaker 2: Before the preparation, but didn't want to get hurt.
Speaker 3: Well, even if they had, Steve, nobody was going to
Speaker 3: hit as hard as the Arizona got hit.
Speaker 2: Okay that day, So let's go, let's go there. I
Speaker 2: think the fact that they played Oklahoma last year in December, uh,
Speaker 2: that benefits them to see kind of get them ready
Speaker 2: for what you had because it's going to be a
Speaker 2: different brand of football. It's going to be a tougher,
Speaker 2: stronger type of situation where you it's not gonna be
Speaker 2: the the you know, the U c l A's or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's going to be a you better be ready.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, and you're gonna face You're gonna
Speaker 3: face offensive defensive lines that are different from what you face.
Speaker 3: You know, everybody's got an offensive line like USC as
Speaker 3: opposed to you know, just USC and maybe Washington having.
Speaker 2: That and not on an occasional weekend, every weekend, every weekend,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, every single weekend.
Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, you make a good point too
Speaker 3: that that they did get a whiff of it in
Speaker 3: the in the in the Oklahoma game and even in
Speaker 3: the middle of the game, right because they were kicking
Speaker 3: their butt and Oklahoma came back on them and just
Speaker 3: manhandled them for you know, for two quarters, and then
Speaker 3: Arizona took took it over in the fourth quarter and
Speaker 3: it's kind of like, oh, that's what we've got to
Speaker 3: do to win this game, and then they did. So
Speaker 3: that's why I say, you know, you just don't know
Speaker 3: until you know. And it's funny because again, what what
Speaker 3: Dwayna Keena said about that ninety nineteam. It's gonna always
Speaker 3: stick with me because it'll always be a you know,
Speaker 3: we think we know, but we don't. But coaches know,
Speaker 3: players know, right, These guys know if they're going to
Speaker 3: be good or not, and they may and if they're not,
Speaker 3: if they think they're not going to be good, they're
Speaker 3: certainly not gonna say that, but they me know going
Speaker 3: in you know, guys, we're we're we're a little full
Speaker 3: of ourselves. You know, we're not We're not as good
Speaker 3: as we think we are. So it'll be interesting to
Speaker 3: see how this team approaches that, what they feel like,
Speaker 3: and what it's gonna look like. And the thing is,
Speaker 3: we're not gonna find out till game three.
Speaker 2: Right, right, and you know you're right, you're right, And
Speaker 2: then that's what either the bubble will bust, oh maybe
Speaker 2: not much what you'll kind of get a little a
Speaker 2: little prick there, but you'll know at least how good
Speaker 2: you're gonna be or could be.
Speaker 3: Right, because if you get blasted by Kansas State, it's
Speaker 3: kind of like, okay, you know, what do we do now?
Speaker 3: Whereas if you go in there and either play a
Speaker 3: really good game and lose or even win the game.
Speaker 3: I'll give you that.
Speaker 2: It's okay. So what game was the Mississippi game? It
Speaker 2: was their game, Okay, So let's say that happens. Right,
Speaker 2: Let's say that happens. Gives you hope, gives you hope,
Speaker 2: you stay closer. You're a player two away, even though
Speaker 2: you played horribly, you're still there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I think if they give them that, this is
Speaker 2: the spread the same, because they said maybe a few
Speaker 2: much ago, it was like seven and a half, some
Speaker 2: like that their dogs.
Speaker 3: Let me see if they got one. But you know,
Speaker 3: because I remember coming out of the Mississippi State game,
Speaker 3: I was so mad at it, at Jade de Lord.
Speaker 3: I was really mad at him because they had a
Speaker 3: chance because because I'm like and then I thought, well
Speaker 3: wait a minute, let let's let's let's back up here
Speaker 3: a second. And Mississippi State needed all of that to
Speaker 3: win that game. And I'm like, okay, well, you hate
Speaker 3: that they lost on the other end, you go, but
Speaker 3: they played that bad and still got that game into overtime.
Speaker 2: And horse racing, they call that there was a bad
Speaker 2: trip and then the next time they play or he runs,
Speaker 2: the horse runs, you say it can't happen again. So
Speaker 2: if he has smooth sailing, they're gonna win. And that's
Speaker 2: what there was one who did outside of the the
Speaker 2: USC game, the USC game, and then they had a
Speaker 2: chance to win that one too, So.
Speaker 3: Uh you know, I uh, it's it's an eight point
Speaker 3: spread right.
Speaker 2: Now, so it's still it stayed the same, stated very.
Speaker 3: Much stayed the same. I think, no, it wasn't. I
Speaker 3: think it was nine and a half earli to come.
Speaker 3: I think it came out at nine.
Speaker 2: I thought it was like half.
Speaker 3: But anyways, it's eight right now as of today.
Speaker 2: Would you take today?
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, yeah, I take those points?
Speaker 2: You take the points?
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I would take those points. Yeah, it's more
Speaker 3: than a touchdown.
Speaker 2: I bet you.
Speaker 5: I bet you.
Speaker 2: I'll bet you that it goes down to about six
Speaker 2: and a half.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it a touchdown by game time. Yeah, today, i'd
Speaker 3: take the eight points. I would. You know, it's minus
Speaker 3: one ten So yeah, I don't know that I'm.
Speaker 2: Gonna do it now, but I know but if you
Speaker 2: if you were to do it now is the thing.
Speaker 3: Now's the time, right if you if you're gonna if
Speaker 3: you're gonna bet the game, you're gonna Yeah, you want
Speaker 3: to you want to get those.
Speaker 2: Points, especially if you're a U A fan who's optimistic,
Speaker 2: because that's a pretty good number over the seventh.
Speaker 3: I learned my lesson because I remember when we went
Speaker 3: to uh do the b y U game, jeed Fish's
Speaker 3: first game. We got to Vegas and the you know,
Speaker 3: then new Arizona fans were coming, and the the over
Speaker 3: under on wins that year bounced up right and was
Speaker 3: or was the points spread? No, the points spread? The
Speaker 3: pointspread on the game. We got there and all of
Speaker 3: a sudden it was, you know, something you wouldn't beat.
Speaker 3: So because because there was a lot of because there
Speaker 3: were a lot of they know, a lot of everyone
Speaker 3: fans are gonna come into town to bet on that.
Speaker 2: But there were still bore b Yu fans. I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: so what was they didn't remember? They didn't cover, They
Speaker 2: didn't cover, but they gave you right. They didn't cover
Speaker 2: wins in the in the first you don't know what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: The game. The game, Yeah, we thought yeah, and then
Speaker 3: you leave the building you're.
Speaker 2: Thinking, hmm, there's something there. Yeah, and then there wasn't
Speaker 2: that much there.
Speaker 3: Then they lost to NAU Yeah, and then they got
Speaker 3: blasted by or is it the other way around? They
Speaker 3: got blasted by San Diego State and then they lost
Speaker 3: to NAU and it was like, oh no, yeah, oh no,
Speaker 3: it's worse than we thought.
Speaker 2: And it was right, and then you kind of think, well,
Speaker 2: he needs more talents, better talent.
Speaker 13: Uh.
Speaker 2: The funny thing about it is the guys who left
Speaker 2: outside of uh uh, Gunner Cruise didn't did Okay, what's
Speaker 2: his name went to Old Dominion or whatever it went.
Speaker 2: The quarterback who got hurt against UCLA.
Speaker 3: The quarterback oh, oh god, I can't think of his name.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, the kid who transferred him from Fida
Speaker 2: of a Cloud, Jordan McLoud. He left in a pretty
Speaker 2: good career. Uh. You know, things happened well for other
Speaker 2: people other places.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, you know it again, it sounds to me
Speaker 3: like you Jed went't got a bunch of good guys
Speaker 3: and so they you know, they succeeded elsewhere. But man,
Speaker 3: that was a tough thing to go.
Speaker 2: Through, right, and you don't think it was gonna happen
Speaker 2: two years later You're gonna be going to a good bowl, a.
Speaker 3: Good bowl game and beating Oklahoma. So now, I you know,
Speaker 3: it's uh, I don't. It's hard because Arizona fans again,
Speaker 3: we're we're generalizing again, right, So when I say Arizona fans,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say majority, maybe a vast majority, a large
Speaker 3: majority of Arizona fans who have been Arizona fan say
Speaker 3: not as long as me, because there aren't many of
Speaker 3: those left around your group. But guys, you know, people
Speaker 3: who have been fans for twenty thirty years, you know
Speaker 3: you've gone into seasons like this expecting the best and
Speaker 3: you've gotten the worst. And so we're suspect, we're we're
Speaker 3: we're a little dicey in terms of thinking. We're just
Speaker 3: don't feel good about getting, you know, one hundred percent
Speaker 3: on the bandwagon because you feel like you need you
Speaker 3: might need to be in a position to break your fall.
Speaker 2: Well, you need a lifeboat.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So while while I know the fans that I
Speaker 3: hang around with are really excited about getting the season
Speaker 3: started and they can't wait for it to start, there's
Speaker 3: also a little bit of I don't know, hesitation isn't
Speaker 3: the right word what you would call.
Speaker 2: It, let me ask you. Because you hang you hang
Speaker 2: around with the cool kids, your son and those guys. Uh,
Speaker 2: they've they've seen in the last fifteen years, when did
Speaker 2: your son kind of start to kind of.
Speaker 3: He was pretty young when you say five, six years
Speaker 3: old now, but you know than that, so I mean
Speaker 3: where he would get upset at losses and stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm talking six, okay, So so in the last twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five years, twenty three, twenty five years, there hasn't
Speaker 2: been a whole lot of happiness, right, So how how
Speaker 2: do they feel? And they're generally It's.
Speaker 3: Funny because I don't know that I've had that conversation
Speaker 3: with those.
Speaker 2: Guys, because you know, Ben, Oh my god, I've been
Speaker 2: call him Ben, Henry hasn't seen enough, hasn't seen enough.
Speaker 2: He's seen misery actually more than you've seen happiness. Right,
Speaker 2: how do you you talk about you're excited about the season,
Speaker 2: but realistically, who do you think your hopes are? And
Speaker 2: you're too young. You're too young. You're not his son's age,
Speaker 2: you have, he has six years on you.
Speaker 4: I think anything worse than nine and three would be
Speaker 4: pretty disappointed.
Speaker 3: Well wow, well, because he, like like Adam was five
Speaker 3: years old for the ninety eight season, So I don't
Speaker 3: even know how much of that he remembers right now
Speaker 3: the twenty fourteen season, which was the last great season, and.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, that's more pressionable impression.
Speaker 3: And we had and we had such a great time,
Speaker 3: and he is actually he was actually working in the
Speaker 3: athletic department at that time, so you know, he got
Speaker 3: the full he got the full force of that one.
Speaker 3: But I just don't know, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's funny, we haven't had that conversation. Okay, what do
Speaker 3: you think is gonna happen? Are you excited?
Speaker 14: Are you?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: Are you has he been? I know they haven't been
Speaker 2: jaded enough or been hit hard enough to be you,
Speaker 2: to be you? But but you know, and the kids like,
Speaker 2: look at Henry nine to two is really okay, haven't
Speaker 2: haven't felt the pain enough?
Speaker 3: Well, he's experienced the downs. He fully experienced the downs
Speaker 3: of the MCA Macavick years, and he fully experienced the
Speaker 3: downs of the Sumbling years, so he knows the bad
Speaker 3: side of it. And you know, he loved, you know,
Speaker 3: the Rich Rode years and we all you know, had
Speaker 3: great time with that. So he's had some of that,
Speaker 3: but you know, not the one game from the Rose
Speaker 3: Bowlt thing and.
Speaker 2: It's not any different than basketball. Ye look at look
Speaker 2: to how they have you were, what when did you
Speaker 2: decide to come here four or five years ago?
Speaker 4: Any spring?
Speaker 2: And okay, so recently, but before that, I mean the
Speaker 2: basketball program was very good in the thirteen fourteen, fifteen,
Speaker 2: right yep, and then kind of hit that loll his
Speaker 2: final years. Did you remember those times with Arizona basketball?
Speaker 4: I remember when they lost the Buffalo Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's kind of like the slide. That was
Speaker 2: the end of the kind of like the beginning of
Speaker 2: the end of Sean.
Speaker 4: And I remember a little bit of the man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was still kind of there was still
Speaker 2: training water there with a good team and how did
Speaker 2: that get go? So now you're kind of building up
Speaker 2: again and how exciting How exciting can you get about basketball?
Speaker 3: But without waiting for something bad to happen, which is
Speaker 3: what we do right right, And that's what a lot
Speaker 3: I think, that's what a lot of fans right now.
Speaker 3: Football fans have been around a while. Yes, they're excited
Speaker 3: about this season coming up. They feel good, like there's
Speaker 3: a really good team there, but they're waiting for something
Speaker 3: had to happen.
Speaker 2: It was a comma.
Speaker 3: But but what if you know, what if they you
Speaker 3: know what if they're two and two, they get beat
Speaker 3: up in those two games and then they lose their
Speaker 3: third one. Now you're two and three and you're headed
Speaker 3: for a five and seven seas.
Speaker 2: No, you already know what's gonna happen. Oh, Britain's not
Speaker 2: the guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh of course, yeah, he can't coach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we'll see, we'll see in circumstances of events
Speaker 2: though that schedule, right, if the schedule was flip flopped
Speaker 2: h with with New Mexico and a U and then
Speaker 2: the flip flopped, yeah, and you had you had Kansas
Speaker 2: State and Utah at detail end.
Speaker 3: Right, Oh, this could this could be. We're gonna be
Speaker 3: in great shape when we get there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay,
Speaker 3: we're again. We're just we're just waiting for something bad
Speaker 3: to happen. All right, let's take her ware to come back.
Speaker 3: We can still take your calls five to two zero, four, one, six,
Speaker 3: seventy four forty in the second hour. We've got Scott McKee,
Speaker 3: then you head coach at defending state champion cdo uh
Speaker 3: and then Mo tang Garreluple join us at four forty five,
Speaker 3: So stick around for all that.
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Speaker 2: There, hey, welcome back to Twying the Ball here on
Speaker 2: Fox sportsporteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera, Peters Jakins, DAWs, got
Speaker 2: a guy, Henry Top fifteen minutes. What do you guys think? Guys,
Speaker 2: give us a call? Are you optimistic? Are you hesitant?
Speaker 3: Are you are you waiting for the shoot to drop?
Speaker 2: I didn't say that. I still think overs I know,
Speaker 2: but Steve I feel do we get your prescriptions back
Speaker 2: from the party.
Speaker 3: You know, I yeah, I feel like I need some
Speaker 3: anxiety medication, right, I think, I really do.
Speaker 2: It's not way early, but it's about the quarter. But
Speaker 2: you gotta I think, I think, I think there's gonna
Speaker 2: be okay.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make an admission. I'm gonna admit something.
Speaker 2: Hello, my name is Jay, go ahead.
Speaker 3: I was you know, I was real good friends with
Speaker 3: Dick Toma. Right, we played baseball together all those years
Speaker 3: and I considered him a very pretty close friend. And
Speaker 3: going to the going to Arizona games, and this is
Speaker 3: after I was done being a reporter. Going to Arizona games,
Speaker 3: I would get stomach aches, I'd get i'd get i'd
Speaker 3: get I get worked up about attendance, like there aren't
Speaker 3: enough people here, right, I'd get upset that people weren't
Speaker 3: coming to the games. And then i'd get you know,
Speaker 3: you know, the losses and you know, the the anxiety
Speaker 3: of those games. It was really hard. It was really
Speaker 3: hard on me. It's hard to go to those gays
Speaker 3: because he was such a good friend, and I didn't
Speaker 3: want him, really, I didn't want because there were so
Speaker 3: many people around who thought he was. He wasn't the
Speaker 3: guy who didn't have an appreciation for him and what
Speaker 3: he was doing here.
Speaker 2: I hate to say this, those who listened, that's how
Speaker 2: Tucson is right.
Speaker 3: And it bothered me, So no, no excuse. But when
Speaker 3: they lost a game that they shouldn't have lost, and
Speaker 3: that happened, and it happened quite a bit, yes it
Speaker 3: I mean it physically affected me. I'll get sick to
Speaker 3: my stomach over losses like that. But like if there
Speaker 3: was a big game and there were forty five thousand
Speaker 3: people there instead of fifty, it bothered me, you know.
Speaker 3: And it's just kind of a weird thing because you know,
Speaker 3: I you know, I've never been in a position where
Speaker 3: I had a friend who was involved in something that
Speaker 3: was such a big deal to me, right and and
Speaker 3: and he was such a good friend and he was
Speaker 3: and I knew he was such a good guy.
Speaker 2: Did he know that that you were such a good friend?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so?
Speaker 2: Like how I mean, I mean, you know, I'm saying, hey,
Speaker 2: hate Jay, you want to go for you know, not
Speaker 2: that I mean, but.
Speaker 3: No, would get invited to their family events and stuff
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: We were friends of his, Okay, ok yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm a little surprised.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, we were friends, and yeah, all all this
Speaker 3: because of the baseball team, right, you know it he
Speaker 3: had you know, if he had an event and he
Speaker 3: invited the guys from the baseball team, would I'll go,
Speaker 3: you know, so you know I considered him, you know,
Speaker 3: a friend. I'd see him and would you know, you know,
Speaker 3: say hi, you know what I mean? We just you know,
Speaker 3: I mean we didn't go to the movies together, right, No, no, yeah.
Speaker 2: But so this was how many years after the fact,
Speaker 2: after you were the journals?
Speaker 3: Oh, you know, all through the nineties?
Speaker 2: Okay, so shortly after shortly after.
Speaker 3: Because we were playing baseball together when I was still
Speaker 3: a report. So let me ask you this.
Speaker 2: So in the late nineties, right, because he was up
Speaker 2: and dow out right, and that's no revision's history. Everybody
Speaker 2: would say, oh he was, he up and down. So
Speaker 2: at any point along the line in the later years,
Speaker 2: did he sense that things were shaky? Well, you weren't
Speaker 2: that close enough to know.
Speaker 3: I wasn't that close to know. And remember I told
Speaker 3: you that when we played baseball, we didn't talk football
Speaker 3: with him unless he brought it up. Right, except that
Speaker 3: one time that I stopped five years later, what the
Speaker 3: hell happened in ninety four, you know, or after the
Speaker 3: ninety eight, after the ninety nine season, it was like,
Speaker 3: what the hell happened there? And that was when he
Speaker 3: told me, you know, Keith Smith got his face kicked
Speaker 3: in and he wasn't the same the rest of the year,
Speaker 3: you know, stuff like that. We had a few of
Speaker 3: those conversations, but we didn't really you know, talk about
Speaker 3: football anytime around me because I felt uncomfortable bringing it up. Sure,
Speaker 3: of course, now if he wanted to talk about it,
Speaker 3: I'm all in would have the conversation that it would be.
Speaker 2: I would be surprised if he did bring it up.
Speaker 3: And he really didn't. He separated his personal life from
Speaker 3: the football, which as any coach would with or shut
Speaker 3: or should, right. But but you know, those games were
Speaker 3: hard because I'd getn't I'd get pissed at the fans
Speaker 3: for not showing up. I'd get you know, I'd be
Speaker 3: upset if they lost a tough game. You know that
Speaker 3: that that that that ninety eight season was incredible and
Speaker 3: then when you know, we thought they were going to
Speaker 3: the Rose Ball and then you SLA went and crapped
Speaker 3: all over themselves at Miami, and all of a sudden
Speaker 3: we weren't going to the road ball and and and
Speaker 3: those kinds of things. Let's take this call. Hi, you're
Speaker 3: on the air and I on the ball. First, guys, radio,
Speaker 3: you need to turn off your radio.
Speaker 14: I was trying to do. I couldn't get to it fastnuts.
Speaker 3: Okay, what's up, Jim?
Speaker 14: Well without it without getting into Jay's game time gastrology
Speaker 14: over the u of a football games. I too was
Speaker 14: a big Dick Tomy fan. And in fact, I'm not
Speaker 14: sure how it happened that just can generally, I happened
Speaker 14: to be on at the moment in time where a
Speaker 14: lot of these things happened. I was sitting at a
Speaker 14: a basketball game with my friend of mine, and we
Speaker 14: were sitting right next to mister Lyve and Goood back
Speaker 14: in the day, and somehow the word got on, are
Speaker 14: you trying to.
Speaker 2: No, No, you're radio. I think you're read your radio on?
Speaker 2: You see are we here the background on your radio?
Speaker 2: Turn it off?
Speaker 16: I got it?
Speaker 14: Okay, Sorry about that?
Speaker 2: All right, go ahead, go ahead. You were sitting next
Speaker 2: to liven Good and then.
Speaker 14: What well, the word got around that, you know, it
Speaker 14: told me wasn't the guy to take us to the
Speaker 14: next level? And I thought, what level was that? Yeah,
Speaker 14: I mean Dick told me gave everybody their money's worth
Speaker 14: every year he was here, and he entertained the hell
Speaker 14: out of him right right, and had a pretty successful
Speaker 14: track record track record doing it. And so who did
Speaker 14: we have next? Mac of It? I remember calling it.
Speaker 14: I remember calling into a show like yours on the
Speaker 14: on the other station. Well, what was that guy's name
Speaker 14: that ran that talk radio late in the afternoon.
Speaker 2: Were you talking about Gabe Mike Gaberson?
Speaker 14: That may have been. Anyway, we were all commiserating about
Speaker 14: the the the events and a couple of years into
Speaker 14: the mac of It thing, And when I called in,
Speaker 14: I said, I told him what just what I told you?
Speaker 14: And I said, you know what next level was that?
Speaker 14: I mean, Dick told me could go out and get
Speaker 14: kids that we're driving beer trucks and win football games.
Speaker 14: Went on the offensive line. Anyway, Well, I think.
Speaker 2: Jim, you you described the situation perfectly, uh, Jay, and
Speaker 2: you were close to it. You know, I was a fan.
Speaker 2: I was not a fan of a writer, but I
Speaker 2: was doing basketball but exactly he had those moments. But
Speaker 2: I think at that time in the situation, people thought
Speaker 2: the same thing that he said, Dick's not the guy
Speaker 2: that's gonna take us to the next level. And you're right, Jim,
Speaker 2: what level that meant? And now in revisions history as
Speaker 2: you look back, you'd die for that guy? Right?
Speaker 14: Yeah? What level was that they were? There was an
Speaker 14: ephemeral hallucination they were having about about their own expectations
Speaker 14: that were not to be met.
Speaker 2: I hope you're not talking about the UA fans.
Speaker 14: Well, there are a lot of people have fallen into
Speaker 14: that category, but at that moment, I'm talking about the
Speaker 14: local intelligensia.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, you're right, you're on. You're spun on.
Speaker 14: So I have one more comment I would like to make,
Speaker 14: if you will allow me ahead, Padres are catching up
Speaker 14: with your Dodgers.
Speaker 3: Oh man, Well, well, the Dodgers got Mookie back. They're
Speaker 3: not going to lose the rest of the year. So
Speaker 3: there you go.
Speaker 14: That's belonging.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 14: How many games in the football team honors schedule? Eleven twelve,
Speaker 14: twelve scheduled games? Okay, I'm going to say eight games
Speaker 14: that will win eight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's okay, and are you would you be happy
Speaker 3: with that?
Speaker 14: Well, I'd be rooting for that nine point I know
Speaker 14: you will be.
Speaker 3: But if there eight and four at the end of
Speaker 3: the year, let's say eight four and they beat a
Speaker 3: s U, are you happy.
Speaker 14: I said, I'd be wishing for that ninth win?
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, Yeah, I agree with Jim, all right.
Speaker 14: But I think realistically that's that football conference I think
Speaker 14: is much better than people saying this.
Speaker 2: I agree you're going to do.
Speaker 14: You're going to consistently run into competent, productive teams, right
Speaker 14: physical and if you're down at all, if you're not
Speaker 14: on your mark every week, you're gonna get your budd eat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, for sure, all right, Jim, Hey, thanks
Speaker 3: a bunch man, as always appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Jim's spot on. I think that, you know, twenty four
Speaker 2: years later, twenty four years later, after people people long
Speaker 2: for for that for that guy.
Speaker 3: Right right, did they forget? They didn't really go? Ahead?
Speaker 5: Right right?
Speaker 3: Hi, you're on the air and I on the ball.
Speaker 16: Hey guys, what's happening today?
Speaker 3: Rick?
Speaker 2: How are you well?
Speaker 16: I'm trying to stay I'm trying to stay out of
Speaker 16: my waist.
Speaker 2: Steve which is a smart thing. Here's another guy who's
Speaker 2: been around for a long crye. He knew these guys too.
Speaker 2: Have you been listening, Yeah, I just.
Speaker 16: I'm on the I'm on the road. I finally caught
Speaker 16: up with your radio here. Okay, I'm in distance.
Speaker 17: Now, so number one number one. Uh, you know what,
Speaker 17: I don't care where you are in the country.
Speaker 13: Uh.
Speaker 16: Fans are fickle, and if your coach doesn't do what
Speaker 16: they think they're supposed to be doing, they're going to
Speaker 16: whine and cry and ask for somebody else. But people
Speaker 16: forget too. They did this to lude Olsen.
Speaker 17: They almost ran Loot out of town.
Speaker 14: And uh.
Speaker 16: But one thing I've not I knew about Dick told me.
Speaker 16: And I wasn't really that close with him, but he
Speaker 16: was always very gracious and probably more important, he was
Speaker 16: probably one of the most loyal coaches I ever heard,
Speaker 16: I ever heard speak. He took care of his player
Speaker 16: and he treated them with respect, and he was loyal.
Speaker 16: And I tell you what, that's a you know, coaches
Speaker 16: talk about it, but Dick emulated that philosophy, and he was,
Speaker 16: you know, nothing more than just he was just he
Speaker 16: was such a class act all the way around. We don't.
Speaker 16: We don't take that. We take that for granted, and
Speaker 16: we shouldn't know.
Speaker 2: You did at the time. Let me ask you. I
Speaker 2: could be wrong with this, but were you close or
Speaker 2: at least knew Stoops better?
Speaker 16: Yeah?
Speaker 14: I probably knew Mike.
Speaker 16: I probably knew Mike better because you know, when Dick
Speaker 16: was there, I was in the middle of twenty other things.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 16: And but when we were, when I.
Speaker 17: Was in the restaurant business, I was able to I
Speaker 17: made friends with a lot.
Speaker 16: Of sports players, a lot of sports teams, and uh,
Speaker 16: I got to I got to know Mike and Mark,
Speaker 16: kim Kish and all those guys much better simply because
Speaker 16: I had more time to spend with him.
Speaker 2: Did you think that the fans treated Mike fairly?
Speaker 16: The difference between Mike and Dick Tomy and Mike was
Speaker 16: the most introverted personality for a head coach I think
Speaker 16: I've ever witnessed. He just did not like he was
Speaker 16: a football coach, and he did not have the personality
Speaker 16: to be able to deal with the general public. And
Speaker 16: he was also much more temperamental. I think Dick was
Speaker 16: much more mature, and I think that showed up and
Speaker 16: the way Mike interacted with different audiences. Mike was very
Speaker 16: much his intensity level was on all the time, and
Speaker 16: people just didn't know how to deal with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, accurate, fair I think, thanks Rick, thanks for
Speaker 2: calling about a couple of minutes.
Speaker 3: And then there's and that's all the things that we've
Speaker 3: all we all thought about Mike steps. There's somebody who
Speaker 3: knew him that it just being the head coach was
Speaker 3: really in his in his DNA right.
Speaker 2: And to go back to something he said, because I've
Speaker 2: written the story a few times, Uh, fans everywhere are
Speaker 2: exactly what he said, fickle and and we kind of generalize,
Speaker 2: but I think it's to the to the fairness of
Speaker 2: the fickleness, because that's who they are. Albuquerque. It's like
Speaker 2: where are USA.
Speaker 3: I don't have a fan. I don't have a problem
Speaker 3: with fans being upset if you don't win enough, right,
Speaker 3: you're paying mine. You go see these teams, you you
Speaker 3: know you're behind them, you support them, you put your
Speaker 3: in some of you some people put their heart into them.
Speaker 3: You want them to win, and you're upset when they don't.
Speaker 3: And that's perfectly fine. But by the same token, you know,
Speaker 3: I feel like, well you need to support them win
Speaker 3: or lose. Right, if you really love this team, or
Speaker 3: you really you know, a fan of the team, when
Speaker 3: they lose, you don't go away. Maybe you're not as happy,
Speaker 3: but you don't go away. And you say I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna come to the games anymore because you suck. Right. Look,
Speaker 3: for example, how long has Nebraska sucked since you've gotten
Speaker 3: to the Big Can Yet they sell out all their games.
Speaker 2: So to my point from earlier and to your point now,
Speaker 2: does that happen here with the you suck, I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna go.
Speaker 3: Yes, all the time. There were twenty thousand people at
Speaker 3: the Kevin Sumlin games, right, And I get it. I
Speaker 3: was as unhappy as anybody else with what was going
Speaker 3: on with the program under Kevin Sumlin. And the same
Speaker 3: and the same goes for what was happening what happened
Speaker 3: with the program with John mcvick. But I was still
Speaker 3: at every game. I still went to every game, and
Speaker 3: maybe maybe I was unhappy and I walked into the
Speaker 3: stadium thinking Arizona had no chance to win, but I
Speaker 3: went and and that's to me, there's there's nothing wrong
Speaker 3: with having that expectation from your fans, and that gives
Speaker 3: you more incentive to try and win. So I don't know,
Speaker 3: but our fans, you lose, they don't, they go they
Speaker 3: go away. And that's yeah, But not all fans are
Speaker 3: like that, Not all fan bases are like no, no,
Speaker 3: and you're right, right right, We got to hit out.
Speaker 3: We're gonna be back, uh Henry. Henry is gonna have
Speaker 3: breaking new so be sure to stick around.