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<v Speaker 1>This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and

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<v Speaker 2>Good afternoon, everybody, Welcome to Iron the Ball here on

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<v Speaker 2>Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm the Maverick, your goose goose today.

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<v Speaker 3>No, actually have a request. What's that from our conversation

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<v Speaker 3>just a second ago. From now on, I want you

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<v Speaker 3>to give me a list of the questions you're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>ask me every day.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be too much to ask for me, because

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<v Speaker 2>you know I like to wiget and stuff that comes

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<v Speaker 2>off the top of my heads. Well, I didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>to get my questions to prove That'll take it out to.

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<v Speaker 3>Right right, right exactly, and I'll get back to you

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<v Speaker 3>and within that I can answer any of these questions.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the world, that's the way, and you're talking. You

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<v Speaker 2>can kind of fill people in with this, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of the world we live in where we

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to be shocked or surprised by a question.

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<v Speaker 3>Right and and and us as as writers, right and

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<v Speaker 3>that's mostly when I'm time about us as writers. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>we we want you hand can handed answers, not canned answers, candid.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you're gonna have a follow up from the follow up,

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<v Speaker 2>probably gonna half right, okay, oh, by the way, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they're not prepared for it.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just I'm just I'm rand you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>you know I have to do I'm you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Steve and I both write for business on and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>working on getting an interview, and the and the PR

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<v Speaker 3>person for the person that I need to interview wants

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<v Speaker 3>my questions ahead of time. I never did you ever

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<v Speaker 3>what you say? I said, I don't write. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>I don't write questions down before asking. So these are

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<v Speaker 3>the things I want to talk about. And that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that that would pooh pooh the interview

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<v Speaker 2>without them knowing?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, if it does, sorry for them, then they're not

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<v Speaker 3>in bustis on right right?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? So So I did this. I got screwed this

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<v Speaker 2>one time, like four years ago. Uh, we had a

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<v Speaker 2>new boss somewhere I won't say where, and uh, and

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<v Speaker 2>the someone wanted questions before the interview, and I says,

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<v Speaker 2>the media doesn't we don't do that, but we usually

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<v Speaker 2>don't do that, and so she said, okay, she took

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<v Speaker 2>me for anur word and trusted me right. Well, she

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<v Speaker 2>went to and she went to a function, talked to

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<v Speaker 2>a radio guy kind of like us. You may may

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<v Speaker 2>not know him, but somewhere else. And he said, oh, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>we get questions told to us all the time, like

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm thinking, you son of a you son of

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<v Speaker 2>a gun. One you're lying and two where So she

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<v Speaker 2>came back to tell me you were wrong, and this

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<v Speaker 2>guy told me and I'm thinking, there's no way and

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<v Speaker 2>he threw me under the bus without knowing that I

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<v Speaker 2>was under the I was in front of the bus,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm thinking, it doesn't work that way. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>work that way.

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<v Speaker 3>And as I mentioned, you know, having been on the

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<v Speaker 3>other side where I was the pr.

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<v Speaker 2>Person, did you ever ask it?

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<v Speaker 3>No, because you know the people that I worked for,

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<v Speaker 3>they you know, who were going to do an interview.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, well, can you get a list of questions?

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<v Speaker 3>And I wouldn't even ask. I just say no, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not going to ask for that because you know they

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<v Speaker 3>you know, these people that interview you, they want you know, Now,

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<v Speaker 3>do I ask them? What are we talking about. Sure,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, what do you want to talk about? Well,

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<v Speaker 3>we talk about this, Okay, that's what we're gonna talk about.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm not gonna Plus, I'm not gonna sit there

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<v Speaker 3>and have a list of questions and ask those questions

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<v Speaker 3>in order. Sure right, I'm gonna ask a question that's

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<v Speaker 3>gonna lead to another question and another question and another question.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure. Sure.

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<v Speaker 3>So for those of you out there who have pr

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<v Speaker 3>people and you tell them go get a list of questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop, Yeah, it's not it's not right now, it's not appropriate,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not it's just not kosher whatever whatever the words are.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, we you know we're not. You know we're not.

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<v Speaker 3>If I did that, then I'm just gonna send you

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<v Speaker 3>an email. Here are the questions, answer those and maybe

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<v Speaker 3>I'll use it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Well, the funny thing about is on this show

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<v Speaker 2>that we do, and we're former journalists, we're now storytellers. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>people who come on and say, what are we gonna

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<v Speaker 2>talk about? Well, this is what we're going to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the general area. And some have said, well, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't really talk about this yet because it's not official,

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<v Speaker 2>So we abide by this. Say it's kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>an embargo. We kind of we kind of just okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we obligate, we were obligated to that for them to

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<v Speaker 2>come on and be as truthful as the camera.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't say okay, this, this and this, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and people know that, people who listen know that we

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<v Speaker 2>kind of just shoot off the coup. This is not

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<v Speaker 2>as we are as we are right now, this is

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<v Speaker 2>a descripted event.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, sorry to rant on that, just a little

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<v Speaker 3>uh you know, a little advice for those of you

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<v Speaker 3>who either you are a PR person or or you

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<v Speaker 3>you have PR people, don't ask reporters for their questions.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not going to and if they give them to you,

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<v Speaker 3>then they're not real reporters. How's that. Let's just say that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, Well, so welcome today to Wednesday Show. I

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<v Speaker 2>think we have a pretty good one. It'll be on

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<v Speaker 2>the back end.

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<v Speaker 3>It on the back end.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So we got Scott Scott H. McKee, McKee's say

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<v Speaker 2>another name, different name. I'm glad we didn't. Scott McKey

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<v Speaker 2>coming into a pretty good situation, we think, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, he's the head coach, he's the new head coach

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<v Speaker 3>at cd O. Dustin peace Uh left the position after

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<v Speaker 3>the state championship last year, so Scott McKee was his

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<v Speaker 3>lead assistant. Got the Scott was also the head coach

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<v Speaker 3>at Sorrow for a number of years, my alma mater,

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<v Speaker 3>not while I was there. I think I could be

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<v Speaker 3>Scott's father. But you know, he's now the head coach

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<v Speaker 3>at CEO and he's got a team that's coming off

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<v Speaker 3>a state championships, So we'll see how that's going for him.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a four to seventeen ish right. And then about

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<v Speaker 2>a half hour later, we're gonna have m'hamma, ten year

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<v Speaker 2>former U of a basketball player. He's coming in for

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<v Speaker 2>the lude Olsen camp and he lives up in Phoenix,

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<v Speaker 2>so we'll talk to him about all that and more.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he's very grateful for bringing him here and

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<v Speaker 2>his life kind of changed because of it. We're also

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<v Speaker 2>talked about about something that that he had. He had

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<v Speaker 2>the Ludelsen Udlson like a tournament he bought his kind

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<v Speaker 2>of his kids from Mali or Molli Bali. Yeah, well

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<v Speaker 2>he brought him in and they played like a big

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<v Speaker 2>tournament right here. And that was like a two three

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<v Speaker 2>year deal and we'll see how that turned out. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>wondering if any of those kids played somewhere our state. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because there were kids then they were like fifteen sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll talk about about all that. Yeah, okay, we

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<v Speaker 2>have Henry today. Hello, Henry, what's up?

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<v Speaker 3>Henry?

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<v Speaker 2>You're just days away from your school?

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<v Speaker 4>Yep, it starts twenty six.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty sixth, you know. Okay, so you got a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of days, a couple of the few days to have

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<v Speaker 2>fun and have the crowd back. Yeah, okay, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>so here we go, man, Yeah, another day closer to you,

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<v Speaker 2>a football getting getting some good things. Yeah, Chister Burnette,

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<v Speaker 2>his son a key on right. Yes, he's supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>be doing very.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, also doing very well. And you know, I think

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<v Speaker 3>you know, people said during the spring the tight end

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<v Speaker 3>was going to be a very important position for Brent

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<v Speaker 3>Brannan's offense. That there may be times when they line

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<v Speaker 3>up three tight ends in an offensive set, which would

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<v Speaker 3>be interesting because there was a time when Arizona were

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<v Speaker 3>lying no off no tight ends in an offensive set,

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<v Speaker 3>or we were always getting told they were going to

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<v Speaker 3>and then they never did. So it'll be interesting to

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<v Speaker 3>see what what's going on there. But Kean Burnette. You

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<v Speaker 3>know guys not I don't want to say the forgotten

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<v Speaker 3>guy because he's a legacy, you know, with his dad

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<v Speaker 3>having been here, people have never forgot about him. But

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<v Speaker 3>you know, of the of the guys that came over

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<v Speaker 3>from Servit, uh Fafida McMillan and Jacob Manu, keyum Bernet's

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<v Speaker 3>sort of been the fourth guy. But if he steps

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<v Speaker 3>up and has a big year at tight End and

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<v Speaker 3>is a big part of what they're doing, he'll get

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<v Speaker 3>all He'll get plenty of attention.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so so we'll see. There's so many things going on, Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>Jacob Manu, I think you have some bricking news on

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<v Speaker 2>him to.

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<v Speaker 3>Well all these award nominations, right, we need to compile

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<v Speaker 3>a list of all of them because they're like all

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<v Speaker 3>over the board.

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<v Speaker 2>But there was more out today, right, Okay, so we'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk about that on bricking news, h anything else.

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<v Speaker 3>So we need to talk about no, you know, Dodgers

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<v Speaker 3>went again. Do you want to know that?

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<v Speaker 5>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Let's end with that that conversation, listener, Bill, I had

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<v Speaker 2>no control.

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<v Speaker 3>Tony went yard again. You know, we had that conversation

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<v Speaker 3>with Jack regarding show Hey as whether or not he

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<v Speaker 3>should be m v P, you know, on top of

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that I don't think even I would give

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<v Speaker 3>him the m VP for as a DH. No DH

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<v Speaker 3>has ever gotten the m v P, and I I,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I argue, you know, Edgar Martinez, who was

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<v Speaker 3>a career designated here for the for the Mariners, got

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<v Speaker 3>into the Hall of Fame, and I don't know that

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<v Speaker 3>I'd put somebody in the Hall of Fame for playing

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<v Speaker 3>half the game, right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's well, it's kind of like, I don't know, did

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<v Speaker 2>you see the controversy if there was a controversy with

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<v Speaker 2>the USA Olympic and every can come in on this too, Lebron,

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<v Speaker 2>it was the m v P right of the thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and people were saying he really wasn't the MVP. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe Steph should have been because of the last

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<v Speaker 2>few games. But you know how it is because you've

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<v Speaker 2>you've been part of it on both sides when you

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<v Speaker 2>vote for those.

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<v Speaker 3>Things a few minutes before the game is over, a

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<v Speaker 3>few minutes before probably or maybe even in that situation,

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<v Speaker 3>probably before the fourth quarter even.

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<v Speaker 2>Began, correct, because I know what football they do to wait.

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<v Speaker 3>For, you know, yeah, the bowl games and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you got in fourth core ten minutes left,

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<v Speaker 2>all the dramas still to be played.

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<v Speaker 3>And then maybe a kicker kicks a when your field

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<v Speaker 3>goal and you didn't get to vote for him or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>So what did you think? Did he deserve to be

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<v Speaker 3>And I you know, and again what happened there at

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I don't know that, you know, he

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, and we were talking about the thing before

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<v Speaker 2>Got oh, yeah, yeah, there was also something. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>that's tough because it's like he's such.

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<v Speaker 3>A great player that they want to give it to

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<v Speaker 3>him because he pitches and he hits, but he's not pitching,

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<v Speaker 2>Has that Has that anything like this happened before DH?

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<v Speaker 3>one thing. And again, he's as good a hitter as

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<v Speaker 3>But he's not in the fielding and he's not pitching.

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<v Speaker 3>that's beside the point. The point being that it's kind

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<v Speaker 3>the m v P. Probably not so And and and again,

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<v Speaker 3>as a as a huge Ober fan, I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>that i'd give it that to him.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I really don't. Well, let me write that down.

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<v Speaker 5>What's today, August. Well, I said it yesterday too. No,

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you said, I don't know, just say you won't.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I don't. I don't know. I mean it's could

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<v Speaker 3>tell Marte the guy, right? Who else is? Who else

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<v Speaker 4>I mean Bryce Harper.

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<v Speaker 3>We have Bryce Harper, who's on my fantasy team, right,

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<v Speaker 3>Elie Dela Cruz. You know, but he's on the team

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, that's tough to do that, and that

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<v Speaker 2>counts for me to to me, he should.

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<v Speaker 3>That always counts. How good is your team? You know,

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<v Speaker 3>how good have you made your team?

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<v Speaker 7>Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>You know that's why you know when when they gave

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<v Speaker 3>and in this kind of stuff, it really does.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Okay, you know what you need to get on?

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<v Speaker 2>Did did they put softball back on the the roster of.

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<v Speaker 3>For next year?

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<v Speaker 2>Next year?

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<v Speaker 3>For Yeah, because they're gonna play in Oklahoma City? Remember, like,

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<v Speaker 3>what are you doing? The Olympics are in l A.

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<v Speaker 3>Why why can't you play it in LA.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna get on because he said he'd come back

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<v Speaker 2>on And I spaced that too because you talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the Olympics, Well there was no soft also, Yeah, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk to him about that. Yeah, you know, because he's

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<v Speaker 2>still out doing his clinics and he's helping the other

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well I guess I guess. What I didn't know

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<v Speaker 3>is that uh hosting city determined can pick sports.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I realized I heard that at the U when

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<v Speaker 2>oh school, holdst the host of the event that's determined to.

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<v Speaker 3>Say you can you can pick a sport like that,

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<v Speaker 3>like break down. You know the skateboarding was the was

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<v Speaker 3>the I don't know if they're back. I know it

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<v Speaker 3>this last year, fifty one year old guy won to medal.

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<v Speaker 3>No fifteen, No, but there was when they're a fifty

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't it's not fifteen.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't know it. There could be something like fifty. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Extreamly live I mean iHeart Radio while this is I

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<v Speaker 1>on the Ball with Steve Bravera and Jay Gonzalez on

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<v Speaker 1>Fox Sports fourteen fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, welcome back to on the ball Hero on Fox

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<v Speaker 2>Sports fourteen fifteen. I'm Steve, you or Jay. We have

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<v Speaker 2>Henry with us fifteen more minutes for this break. If

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<v Speaker 2>you like to call us, please do five to two

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<v Speaker 2>zero four one six seventy four forty. We'd appreciate you

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<v Speaker 2>gonna through the first hour. Our guests are on the

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<v Speaker 2>back end of the second hour, right, So just to

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<v Speaker 2>clarify with your skateboard.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I found I guess an Australian girl fourteen year

435
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<v Speaker 3>old Australian girl won an Olympic gold medal in skateboarding

436
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<v Speaker 3>this last year, so I guess I must have. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know what I saw. I swear I saw some

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<v Speaker 3>at fifty one.

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<v Speaker 2>But the skateboard should have done the breakdancing.

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<v Speaker 3>There's still people talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh have you seen the memes? The oh they're so funny,

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<v Speaker 2>they're so funny to the music that she's dancing with

443
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<v Speaker 2>and you remember Seinfeld with with what's her name? Who's

444
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<v Speaker 2>the girl? Elaine? Her funny dances they put they put fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>People are funny. People are very funny.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, they're creative, but sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they go overboard, you know, talk about goose like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk about Goose exactly exactly. Thanks by the way, uh

449
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<v Speaker 2>uh Nico for Colin, I hope you're after the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Activity was fine for you, oh man.

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<v Speaker 3>So anyways, you have my Wednesday lunch and everybody's still

452
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<v Speaker 3>fired up about football, can't we?

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<v Speaker 2>So I got I was doing a show with Phoenix

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<v Speaker 2>today and they asked me, what do you think the

455
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<v Speaker 2>excitement is in Tucson?

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<v Speaker 3>So I get out.

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<v Speaker 2>You get out and you talk to your guys and

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<v Speaker 2>your group. I apparently haven't talked to enough people out

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<v Speaker 2>in the real world to get the vibe of real excitement.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting a tempered excitement.

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<v Speaker 3>Hmmm, what do you get? No, No, I think people

462
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<v Speaker 3>are pretty fired up, you know. Well, look, I mean

463
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<v Speaker 3>the fans that I hang out with are fans who

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<v Speaker 3>are who have been stung by previous seasons like I

465
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<v Speaker 3>have been, you know, and so they are tempered in

466
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<v Speaker 3>their in their excitement. They're worried that you know, uh

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<v Speaker 3>you know, maybe they're you know, like, you know, are

468
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<v Speaker 3>they expect can well the expectations get to be too

469
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<v Speaker 3>much for this team, right, and that that's certainly got

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<v Speaker 3>to be a concern. On the other hand, what you

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<v Speaker 3>see about this team or what you think you see

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<v Speaker 3>about this team and how they how they approach, and

473
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<v Speaker 3>what what's written about them, and what what we see

474
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<v Speaker 3>is that this is a group that maybe doesn't phase

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<v Speaker 3>by that you know, who knows, who knows what it is?

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<v Speaker 2>We won't know until we get there.

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<v Speaker 3>Right and you know, and we're having fun talking about

478
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<v Speaker 3>you know when when we had a chance to talk

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<v Speaker 3>to Dwayne l. Keina at that at that media day,

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<v Speaker 3>and he and he was talking about the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>the ninety nine team, coming off the twelve of one season,

482
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<v Speaker 3>that the coaches knew that they weren't as good as

483
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<v Speaker 3>everybody was saying, and then they had decided to go

484
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<v Speaker 3>play Penn State in the opener and and and he said,

485
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<v Speaker 3>we just knew we weren't We weren't ready for that.

486
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<v Speaker 3>We were in over our heads.

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<v Speaker 2>Do we play that?

488
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? We did?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I thought his answer, and I was there with you,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought his answer was brilliant and very honest.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, No, he said that, and you know that they

492
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<v Speaker 3>were in over their heads. There was a reach to

493
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<v Speaker 3>to play that game. He said, we didn't have Chris

494
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<v Speaker 3>McCallister anymore. And that was enough enough said about that

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and Penn State played a different brand of

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<v Speaker 3>football than LeVar Arrington and some of these.

497
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<v Speaker 2>Games right right right lebar Ariton's right. I was gonna say,

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<v Speaker 2>Jesse understood, but lear Yeah, yeah, and yeah, they their

499
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<v Speaker 2>eyes were bigger than the stomach.

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<v Speaker 3>And then and then, as you know, as Dick said, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I don't remember if he said this publicly.

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<v Speaker 3>I know he said it to me that he said

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<v Speaker 3>Keith Smith Smith got hit so hard in that game

504
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<v Speaker 3>that he was done for the season at that game.

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<v Speaker 3>Mostly yeah, mentally, mentally well, he was mentally just he

506
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<v Speaker 3>just never recovered from it. Is basically what he said.

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<v Speaker 2>I also can remember maybe Anthony or whoever covered the

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<v Speaker 2>team back in the day can correct me. They didn't hit.

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<v Speaker 3>Much before that, Yeah, that's what you said.

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<v Speaker 2>Before the preparation, but didn't want to get hurt.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, even if they had, Steve, nobody was going to

512
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<v Speaker 3>hit as hard as the Arizona got hit.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay that day, So let's go, let's go there. I

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<v Speaker 2>think the fact that they played Oklahoma last year in December, uh,

515
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<v Speaker 2>that benefits them to see kind of get them ready

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<v Speaker 2>for what you had because it's going to be a

517
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<v Speaker 2>different brand of football. It's going to be a tougher,

518
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<v Speaker 2>stronger type of situation where you it's not gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>the the you know, the U c l A's or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be a you better be ready.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, you know, and you're gonna face You're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>face offensive defensive lines that are different from what you face.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, everybody's got an offensive line like USC as

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<v Speaker 3>opposed to you know, just USC and maybe Washington having.

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<v Speaker 2>That and not on an occasional weekend, every weekend, every weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah yeah, every single weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, you know, you make a good point too

528
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<v Speaker 3>that that they did get a whiff of it in

529
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<v Speaker 3>the in the in the Oklahoma game and even in

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<v Speaker 3>the middle of the game, right because they were kicking

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<v Speaker 3>their butt and Oklahoma came back on them and just

532
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<v Speaker 3>manhandled them for you know, for two quarters, and then

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<v Speaker 3>Arizona took took it over in the fourth quarter and

534
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<v Speaker 3>it's kind of like, oh, that's what we've got to

535
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<v Speaker 3>do to win this game, and then they did. So

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<v Speaker 3>that's why I say, you know, you just don't know

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<v Speaker 3>until you know. And it's funny because again, what what

538
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<v Speaker 3>Dwayna Keena said about that ninety nineteam. It's gonna always

539
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<v Speaker 3>stick with me because it'll always be a you know,

540
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<v Speaker 3>we think we know, but we don't. But coaches know,

541
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<v Speaker 3>players know, right, These guys know if they're going to

542
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<v Speaker 3>be good or not, and they may and if they're not,

543
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<v Speaker 3>if they think they're not going to be good, they're

544
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<v Speaker 3>certainly not gonna say that, but they me know going

545
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<v Speaker 3>in you know, guys, we're we're we're a little full

546
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<v Speaker 3>of ourselves. You know, we're not We're not as good

547
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<v Speaker 3>as we think we are. So it'll be interesting to

548
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<v Speaker 3>see how this team approaches that, what they feel like,

549
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<v Speaker 3>and what it's gonna look like. And the thing is,

550
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<v Speaker 3>we're not gonna find out till game three.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, right, and you know you're right, you're right, And

552
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<v Speaker 2>then that's what either the bubble will bust, oh maybe

553
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<v Speaker 2>not much what you'll kind of get a little a

554
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<v Speaker 2>little prick there, but you'll know at least how good

555
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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna be or could be.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, because if you get blasted by Kansas State, it's

557
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<v Speaker 3>kind of like, okay, you know, what do we do now?

558
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<v Speaker 3>Whereas if you go in there and either play a

559
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<v Speaker 3>really good game and lose or even win the game.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll give you that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's okay. So what game was the Mississippi game? It

562
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<v Speaker 2>was their game, Okay, So let's say that happens. Right,

563
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<v Speaker 2>Let's say that happens. Gives you hope, gives you hope,

564
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<v Speaker 2>you stay closer. You're a player two away, even though

565
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<v Speaker 2>you played horribly, you're still there.

566
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think if they give them that, this is

568
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<v Speaker 2>the spread the same, because they said maybe a few

569
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<v Speaker 2>much ago, it was like seven and a half, some

570
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<v Speaker 2>like that their dogs.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me see if they got one. But you know,

572
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<v Speaker 3>because I remember coming out of the Mississippi State game,

573
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<v Speaker 3>I was so mad at it, at Jade de Lord.

574
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<v Speaker 3>I was really mad at him because they had a

575
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<v Speaker 3>chance because because I'm like and then I thought, well

576
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<v Speaker 3>wait a minute, let let's let's let's back up here

577
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<v Speaker 3>a second. And Mississippi State needed all of that to

578
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<v Speaker 3>win that game. And I'm like, okay, well, you hate

579
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<v Speaker 3>that they lost on the other end, you go, but

580
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<v Speaker 3>they played that bad and still got that game into overtime.

581
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<v Speaker 2>And horse racing, they call that there was a bad

582
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<v Speaker 2>trip and then the next time they play or he runs,

583
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<v Speaker 2>the horse runs, you say it can't happen again. So

584
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<v Speaker 2>if he has smooth sailing, they're gonna win. And that's

585
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<v Speaker 2>what there was one who did outside of the the

586
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<v Speaker 2>USC game, the USC game, and then they had a

587
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<v Speaker 2>chance to win that one too, So.

588
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<v Speaker 3>Uh you know, I uh, it's it's an eight point

589
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<v Speaker 3>spread right.

590
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<v Speaker 2>Now, so it's still it stayed the same, stated very.

591
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<v Speaker 3>Much stayed the same. I think, no, it wasn't. I

592
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<v Speaker 3>think it was nine and a half earli to come.

593
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<v Speaker 3>I think it came out at nine.

594
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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was like half.

595
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<v Speaker 3>But anyways, it's eight right now as of today.

596
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<v Speaker 2>Would you take today?

597
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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm, yeah, I take those points?

598
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<v Speaker 2>You take the points?

599
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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, I would take those points. Yeah, it's more

600
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<v Speaker 3>than a touchdown.

601
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<v Speaker 2>I bet you.

602
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<v Speaker 5>I bet you.

603
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<v Speaker 2>I'll bet you that it goes down to about six

604
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<v Speaker 2>and a half.

605
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it a touchdown by game time. Yeah, today, i'd

606
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<v Speaker 3>take the eight points. I would. You know, it's minus

607
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<v Speaker 3>one ten So yeah, I don't know that I'm.

608
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<v Speaker 2>Gonna do it now, but I know but if you

609
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<v Speaker 2>if you were to do it now is the thing.

610
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<v Speaker 3>Now's the time, right if you if you're gonna if

611
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<v Speaker 3>you're gonna bet the game, you're gonna Yeah, you want

612
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<v Speaker 3>to you want to get those.

613
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<v Speaker 2>Points, especially if you're a U A fan who's optimistic,

614
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<v Speaker 2>because that's a pretty good number over the seventh.

615
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<v Speaker 3>I learned my lesson because I remember when we went

616
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<v Speaker 3>to uh do the b y U game, jeed Fish's

617
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<v Speaker 3>first game. We got to Vegas and the you know,

618
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<v Speaker 3>then new Arizona fans were coming, and the the over

619
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<v Speaker 3>under on wins that year bounced up right and was

620
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<v Speaker 3>or was the points spread? No, the points spread? The

621
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<v Speaker 3>pointspread on the game. We got there and all of

622
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<v Speaker 3>a sudden it was, you know, something you wouldn't beat.

623
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<v Speaker 3>So because because there was a lot of because there

624
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<v Speaker 3>were a lot of they know, a lot of everyone

625
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<v Speaker 3>fans are gonna come into town to bet on that.

626
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<v Speaker 2>But there were still bore b Yu fans. I think, yeah,

627
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<v Speaker 2>so what was they didn't remember? They didn't cover, They

628
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<v Speaker 2>didn't cover, but they gave you right. They didn't cover

629
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<v Speaker 2>wins in the in the first you don't know what

630
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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>The game. The game, Yeah, we thought yeah, and then

632
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<v Speaker 3>you leave the building you're.

633
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<v Speaker 2>Thinking, hmm, there's something there. Yeah, and then there wasn't

634
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<v Speaker 2>that much there.

635
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<v Speaker 3>Then they lost to NAU Yeah, and then they got

636
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<v Speaker 3>blasted by or is it the other way around? They

637
00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:45.559
<v Speaker 3>got blasted by San Diego State and then they lost

638
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<v Speaker 3>to NAU and it was like, oh no, yeah, oh no,

639
00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:51.119
<v Speaker 3>it's worse than we thought.

640
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<v Speaker 2>And it was right, and then you kind of think, well,

641
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<v Speaker 2>he needs more talents, better talent.

642
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<v Speaker 13>Uh.

643
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<v Speaker 2>The funny thing about it is the guys who left

644
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<v Speaker 2>outside of uh uh, Gunner Cruise didn't did Okay, what's

645
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<v Speaker 2>his name went to Old Dominion or whatever it went.

646
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<v Speaker 2>The quarterback who got hurt against UCLA.

647
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<v Speaker 3>The quarterback oh, oh god, I can't think of his name.

648
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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, the kid who transferred him from Fida

649
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<v Speaker 2>of a Cloud, Jordan McLoud. He left in a pretty

650
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<v Speaker 2>good career. Uh. You know, things happened well for other

651
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<v Speaker 2>people other places.

652
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<v Speaker 3>Right, yeah, you know it again, it sounds to me

653
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<v Speaker 3>like you Jed went't got a bunch of good guys

654
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<v Speaker 3>and so they you know, they succeeded elsewhere. But man,

655
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<v Speaker 3>that was a tough thing to go.

656
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<v Speaker 2>Through, right, and you don't think it was gonna happen

657
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:40.960
<v Speaker 2>two years later You're gonna be going to a good bowl, a.

658
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<v Speaker 3>Good bowl game and beating Oklahoma. So now, I you know,

659
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:49.680
<v Speaker 3>it's uh, I don't. It's hard because Arizona fans again,

660
00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:52.400
<v Speaker 3>we're we're generalizing again, right, So when I say Arizona fans,

661
00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:56.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna say majority, maybe a vast majority, a large

662
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<v Speaker 3>majority of Arizona fans who have been Arizona fan say

663
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<v Speaker 3>not as long as me, because there aren't many of

664
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<v Speaker 3>those left around your group. But guys, you know, people

665
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<v Speaker 3>who have been fans for twenty thirty years, you know

666
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<v Speaker 3>you've gone into seasons like this expecting the best and

667
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<v Speaker 3>you've gotten the worst. And so we're suspect, we're we're

668
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<v Speaker 3>we're a little dicey in terms of thinking. We're just

669
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<v Speaker 3>don't feel good about getting, you know, one hundred percent

670
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<v Speaker 3>on the bandwagon because you feel like you need you

671
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<v Speaker 3>might need to be in a position to break your fall.

672
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<v Speaker 2>Well, you need a lifeboat.

673
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So while while I know the fans that I

674
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<v Speaker 3>hang around with are really excited about getting the season

675
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<v Speaker 3>started and they can't wait for it to start, there's

676
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<v Speaker 3>also a little bit of I don't know, hesitation isn't

677
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<v Speaker 3>the right word what you would call.

678
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<v Speaker 2>It, let me ask you. Because you hang you hang

679
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:50.799
<v Speaker 2>around with the cool kids, your son and those guys. Uh,

680
00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:53.559
<v Speaker 2>they've they've seen in the last fifteen years, when did

681
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<v Speaker 2>your son kind of start to kind of.

682
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<v Speaker 3>He was pretty young when you say five, six years

683
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<v Speaker 3>old now, but you know than that, so I mean

684
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<v Speaker 3>where he would get upset at losses and stuff.

685
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:07.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking six, okay, So so in the last twenty

686
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:10.799
<v Speaker 2>twenty five years, twenty three, twenty five years, there hasn't

687
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:13.880
<v Speaker 2>been a whole lot of happiness, right, So how how

688
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<v Speaker 2>do they feel? And they're generally It's.

689
00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:19.200
<v Speaker 3>Funny because I don't know that I've had that conversation

690
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<v Speaker 3>with those.

691
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<v Speaker 2>Guys, because you know, Ben, Oh my god, I've been

692
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:26.359
<v Speaker 2>call him Ben, Henry hasn't seen enough, hasn't seen enough.

693
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:28.799
<v Speaker 2>He's seen misery actually more than you've seen happiness. Right,

694
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:32.680
<v Speaker 2>how do you you talk about you're excited about the season,

695
00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:35.599
<v Speaker 2>but realistically, who do you think your hopes are? And

696
00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:37.920
<v Speaker 2>you're too young. You're too young. You're not his son's age,

697
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<v Speaker 2>you have, he has six years on you.

698
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<v Speaker 4>I think anything worse than nine and three would be

699
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:43.440
<v Speaker 4>pretty disappointed.

700
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<v Speaker 3>Well wow, well, because he, like like Adam was five

701
00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:49.880
<v Speaker 3>years old for the ninety eight season, So I don't

702
00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:52.839
<v Speaker 3>even know how much of that he remembers right now

703
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:55.799
<v Speaker 3>the twenty fourteen season, which was the last great season, and.

704
00:31:55.880 --> 00:31:57.559
<v Speaker 2>That's yeah, that's more pressionable impression.

705
00:31:57.680 --> 00:31:59.400
<v Speaker 3>And we had and we had such a great time,

706
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:01.720
<v Speaker 3>and he is actually he was actually working in the

707
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:05.200
<v Speaker 3>athletic department at that time, so you know, he got

708
00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:07.119
<v Speaker 3>the full he got the full force of that one.

709
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:10.160
<v Speaker 3>But I just don't know, you know, I don't know.

710
00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:12.359
<v Speaker 3>It's funny, we haven't had that conversation. Okay, what do

711
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:14.319
<v Speaker 3>you think is gonna happen? Are you excited?

712
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:14.599
<v Speaker 14>Are you?

713
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:15.359
<v Speaker 3>You know?

714
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:18.119
<v Speaker 2>Are you has he been? I know they haven't been

715
00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:22.039
<v Speaker 2>jaded enough or been hit hard enough to be you,

716
00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:25.880
<v Speaker 2>to be you? But but you know, and the kids like,

717
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:29.440
<v Speaker 2>look at Henry nine to two is really okay, haven't

718
00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:30.839
<v Speaker 2>haven't felt the pain enough?

719
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:34.559
<v Speaker 3>Well, he's experienced the downs. He fully experienced the downs

720
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:37.640
<v Speaker 3>of the MCA Macavick years, and he fully experienced the

721
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:40.640
<v Speaker 3>downs of the Sumbling years, so he knows the bad

722
00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:43.279
<v Speaker 3>side of it. And you know, he loved, you know,

723
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:45.680
<v Speaker 3>the Rich Rode years and we all you know, had

724
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:48.079
<v Speaker 3>great time with that. So he's had some of that,

725
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:51.440
<v Speaker 3>but you know, not the one game from the Rose

726
00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:52.559
<v Speaker 3>Bowlt thing and.

727
00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:56.519
<v Speaker 2>It's not any different than basketball. Ye look at look

728
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<v Speaker 2>to how they have you were, what when did you

729
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:00.359
<v Speaker 2>decide to come here four or five years ago?

730
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<v Speaker 4>Any spring?

731
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<v Speaker 2>And okay, so recently, but before that, I mean the

732
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:11.440
<v Speaker 2>basketball program was very good in the thirteen fourteen, fifteen,

733
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:14.079
<v Speaker 2>right yep, and then kind of hit that loll his

734
00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:18.359
<v Speaker 2>final years. Did you remember those times with Arizona basketball?

735
00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:22.640
<v Speaker 4>I remember when they lost the Buffalo Yeah.

736
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:24.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's kind of like the slide. That was

737
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:26.279
<v Speaker 2>the end of the kind of like the beginning of

738
00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:27.119
<v Speaker 2>the end of Sean.

739
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<v Speaker 4>And I remember a little bit of the man.

740
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that was still kind of there was still

741
00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:36.119
<v Speaker 2>training water there with a good team and how did

742
00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:38.880
<v Speaker 2>that get go? So now you're kind of building up

743
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:42.279
<v Speaker 2>again and how exciting How exciting can you get about basketball?

744
00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:46.279
<v Speaker 3>But without waiting for something bad to happen, which is

745
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:48.680
<v Speaker 3>what we do right right, And that's what a lot

746
00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:50.440
<v Speaker 3>I think, that's what a lot of fans right now.

747
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:54.240
<v Speaker 3>Football fans have been around a while. Yes, they're excited

748
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:56.960
<v Speaker 3>about this season coming up. They feel good, like there's

749
00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:59.799
<v Speaker 3>a really good team there, but they're waiting for something

750
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:00.440
<v Speaker 3>had to happen.

751
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:01.039
<v Speaker 2>It was a comma.

752
00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:05.200
<v Speaker 3>But but what if you know, what if they you

753
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:07.480
<v Speaker 3>know what if they're two and two, they get beat

754
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:09.400
<v Speaker 3>up in those two games and then they lose their

755
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:11.679
<v Speaker 3>third one. Now you're two and three and you're headed

756
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:13.599
<v Speaker 3>for a five and seven seas.

757
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<v Speaker 2>No, you already know what's gonna happen. Oh, Britain's not

758
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:16.519
<v Speaker 2>the guy.

759
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:19.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Oh of course, yeah, he can't coach.

760
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:23.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but we'll see, we'll see in circumstances of events

761
00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:26.960
<v Speaker 2>though that schedule, right, if the schedule was flip flopped

762
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<v Speaker 2>h with with New Mexico and a U and then

763
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<v Speaker 2>the flip flopped, yeah, and you had you had Kansas

764
00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:34.760
<v Speaker 2>State and Utah at detail end.

765
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<v Speaker 3>Right, Oh, this could this could be. We're gonna be

766
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:40.400
<v Speaker 3>in great shape when we get there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay,

767
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:43.000
<v Speaker 3>we're again. We're just we're just waiting for something bad

768
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:46.639
<v Speaker 3>to happen. All right, let's take her ware to come back.

769
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<v Speaker 3>We can still take your calls five to two zero, four, one, six,

770
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:52.079
<v Speaker 3>seventy four forty in the second hour. We've got Scott McKee,

771
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:55.599
<v Speaker 3>then you head coach at defending state champion cdo uh

772
00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:58.559
<v Speaker 3>and then Mo tang Garreluple join us at four forty five,

773
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<v Speaker 3>So stick around for all that.

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<v Speaker 2>You're Arizona men's basketball fan, you know it's been successful

775
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<v Speaker 2>for nearly forty years. Now take a look back at

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<v Speaker 2>to the coach and the man who led them, competed

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<v Speaker 2>against them, and inspired them. Twenty five chapters for his

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five years as Arizona's beloved coach. Lessons from Lout

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<v Speaker 2>is an insight to how he built the program into

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<v Speaker 2>a national powerhouse. Want one Email me at Steve dot

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<v Speaker 15>This is I on the Ball on Fox Sports fourteenth.

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<v Speaker 2>There, hey, welcome back to Twying the Ball here on

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<v Speaker 2>Fox sportsporteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera, Peters Jakins, DAWs, got

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<v Speaker 2>a guy, Henry Top fifteen minutes. What do you guys think? Guys,

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<v Speaker 2>give us a call? Are you optimistic? Are you hesitant?

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<v Speaker 3>Are you are you waiting for the shoot to drop?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't say that. I still think overs I know,

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<v Speaker 2>but Steve I feel do we get your prescriptions back

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<v Speaker 2>from the party.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I yeah, I feel like I need some

815
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<v Speaker 3>anxiety medication, right, I think, I really do.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not way early, but it's about the quarter. But

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta I think, I think, I think there's gonna

818
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<v Speaker 2>be okay.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna make an admission. I'm gonna admit something.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, my name is Jay, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>I was you know, I was real good friends with

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<v Speaker 3>Dick Toma. Right, we played baseball together all those years

823
00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:34.360
<v Speaker 3>and I considered him a very pretty close friend. And

824
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<v Speaker 3>going to the going to Arizona games, and this is

825
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:40.880
<v Speaker 3>after I was done being a reporter. Going to Arizona games,

826
00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:45.519
<v Speaker 3>I would get stomach aches, I'd get i'd get i'd

827
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<v Speaker 3>get I get worked up about attendance, like there aren't

828
00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:51.719
<v Speaker 3>enough people here, right, I'd get upset that people weren't

829
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:54.280
<v Speaker 3>coming to the games. And then i'd get you know,

830
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<v Speaker 3>you know, the losses and you know, the the anxiety

831
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<v Speaker 3>of those games. It was really hard. It was really

832
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<v Speaker 3>hard on me. It's hard to go to those gays

833
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<v Speaker 3>because he was such a good friend, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>want him, really, I didn't want because there were so

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<v Speaker 3>many people around who thought he was. He wasn't the

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<v Speaker 3>guy who didn't have an appreciation for him and what

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<v Speaker 3>he was doing here.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate to say this, those who listened, that's how

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<v Speaker 2>Tucson is right.

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<v Speaker 3>And it bothered me, So no, no excuse. But when

841
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<v Speaker 3>they lost a game that they shouldn't have lost, and

842
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:31.079
<v Speaker 3>that happened, and it happened quite a bit, yes it

843
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:35.920
<v Speaker 3>I mean it physically affected me. I'll get sick to

844
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:38.960
<v Speaker 3>my stomach over losses like that. But like if there

845
00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:42.199
<v Speaker 3>was a big game and there were forty five thousand

846
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:46.239
<v Speaker 3>people there instead of fifty, it bothered me, you know.

847
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:50.000
<v Speaker 3>And it's just kind of a weird thing because you know,

848
00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:52.119
<v Speaker 3>I you know, I've never been in a position where

849
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:55.920
<v Speaker 3>I had a friend who was involved in something that

850
00:38:56.119 --> 00:38:58.880
<v Speaker 3>was such a big deal to me, right and and

851
00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:00.920
<v Speaker 3>and he was such a good friend and he was

852
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:02.400
<v Speaker 3>and I knew he was such a good guy.

853
00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:05.719
<v Speaker 2>Did he know that that you were such a good friend?

854
00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:08.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think so?

855
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:13.760
<v Speaker 2>Like how I mean, I mean, you know, I'm saying, hey,

856
00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:15.679
<v Speaker 2>hate Jay, you want to go for you know, not

857
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:16.679
<v Speaker 2>that I mean, but.

858
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:19.039
<v Speaker 3>No, would get invited to their family events and stuff

859
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:19.239
<v Speaker 3>like that.

860
00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:22.440
<v Speaker 2>We were friends of his, Okay, ok yeah, okay, yeah,

861
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:23.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm a little surprised.

862
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:28.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, we were friends, and yeah, all all this

863
00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:30.639
<v Speaker 3>because of the baseball team, right, you know it he

864
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:32.360
<v Speaker 3>had you know, if he had an event and he

865
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:34.199
<v Speaker 3>invited the guys from the baseball team, would I'll go,

866
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:36.239
<v Speaker 3>you know, so you know I considered him, you know,

867
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:38.320
<v Speaker 3>a friend. I'd see him and would you know, you know,

868
00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:40.840
<v Speaker 3>say hi, you know what I mean? We just you know,

869
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:44.079
<v Speaker 3>I mean we didn't go to the movies together, right, No, no, yeah.

870
00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:45.639
<v Speaker 2>But so this was how many years after the fact,

871
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:47.079
<v Speaker 2>after you were the journals?

872
00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:49.800
<v Speaker 3>Oh, you know, all through the nineties?

873
00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:52.719
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so shortly after shortly after.

874
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:54.840
<v Speaker 3>Because we were playing baseball together when I was still

875
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:56.079
<v Speaker 3>a report. So let me ask you this.

876
00:39:56.800 --> 00:39:59.760
<v Speaker 2>So in the late nineties, right, because he was up

877
00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:03.320
<v Speaker 2>and dow out right, and that's no revision's history. Everybody

878
00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:05.639
<v Speaker 2>would say, oh he was, he up and down. So

879
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:08.639
<v Speaker 2>at any point along the line in the later years,

880
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:16.280
<v Speaker 2>did he sense that things were shaky? Well, you weren't

881
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:17.000
<v Speaker 2>that close enough to know.

882
00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:20.480
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't that close to know. And remember I told

883
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:23.480
<v Speaker 3>you that when we played baseball, we didn't talk football

884
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:26.519
<v Speaker 3>with him unless he brought it up. Right, except that

885
00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:29.679
<v Speaker 3>one time that I stopped five years later, what the

886
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:35.800
<v Speaker 3>hell happened in ninety four, you know, or after the

887
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:38.079
<v Speaker 3>ninety eight, after the ninety nine season, it was like,

888
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:40.400
<v Speaker 3>what the hell happened there? And that was when he

889
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:43.320
<v Speaker 3>told me, you know, Keith Smith got his face kicked

890
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:45.039
<v Speaker 3>in and he wasn't the same the rest of the year,

891
00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:46.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, stuff like that. We had a few of

892
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:50.119
<v Speaker 3>those conversations, but we didn't really you know, talk about

893
00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:55.639
<v Speaker 3>football anytime around me because I felt uncomfortable bringing it up. Sure,

894
00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:57.280
<v Speaker 3>of course, now if he wanted to talk about it,

895
00:40:57.559 --> 00:40:59.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm all in would have the conversation that it would be.

896
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:02.239
<v Speaker 2>I would be surprised if he did bring it up.

897
00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:06.400
<v Speaker 3>And he really didn't. He separated his personal life from

898
00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:09.119
<v Speaker 3>the football, which as any coach would with or shut

899
00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:15.239
<v Speaker 3>or should, right. But but you know, those games were

900
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:17.599
<v Speaker 3>hard because I'd getn't I'd get pissed at the fans

901
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:20.320
<v Speaker 3>for not showing up. I'd get you know, I'd be

902
00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:23.880
<v Speaker 3>upset if they lost a tough game. You know that

903
00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:28.039
<v Speaker 3>that that that that ninety eight season was incredible and

904
00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:30.679
<v Speaker 3>then when you know, we thought they were going to

905
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:33.360
<v Speaker 3>the Rose Ball and then you SLA went and crapped

906
00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:35.440
<v Speaker 3>all over themselves at Miami, and all of a sudden

907
00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:37.599
<v Speaker 3>we weren't going to the road ball and and and

908
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:41.920
<v Speaker 3>those kinds of things. Let's take this call. Hi, you're

909
00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:46.320
<v Speaker 3>on the air and I on the ball. First, guys, radio,

910
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:47.840
<v Speaker 3>you need to turn off your radio.

911
00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:51.880
<v Speaker 14>I was trying to do. I couldn't get to it fastnuts.

912
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:53.800
<v Speaker 3>Okay, what's up, Jim?

913
00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:59.280
<v Speaker 14>Well without it without getting into Jay's game time gastrology

914
00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:07.199
<v Speaker 14>over the u of a football games. I too was

915
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:12.239
<v Speaker 14>a big Dick Tomy fan. And in fact, I'm not

916
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:17.880
<v Speaker 14>sure how it happened that just can generally, I happened

917
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:21.960
<v Speaker 14>to be on at the moment in time where a

918
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:24.639
<v Speaker 14>lot of these things happened. I was sitting at a

919
00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:31.000
<v Speaker 14>a basketball game with my friend of mine, and we

920
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:35.679
<v Speaker 14>were sitting right next to mister Lyve and Goood back

921
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:42.800
<v Speaker 14>in the day, and somehow the word got on, are

922
00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:43.320
<v Speaker 14>you trying to.

923
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:45.760
<v Speaker 2>No, No, you're radio. I think you're read your radio on?

924
00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:48.039
<v Speaker 2>You see are we here the background on your radio?

925
00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:48.559
<v Speaker 2>Turn it off?

926
00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:49.960
<v Speaker 16>I got it?

927
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:53.519
<v Speaker 14>Okay, Sorry about that?

928
00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:55.679
<v Speaker 2>All right, go ahead, go ahead. You were sitting next

929
00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:56.559
<v Speaker 2>to liven Good and then.

930
00:42:56.519 --> 00:43:00.159
<v Speaker 14>What well, the word got around that, you know, it

931
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:02.760
<v Speaker 14>told me wasn't the guy to take us to the

932
00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:09.360
<v Speaker 14>next level? And I thought, what level was that? Yeah,

933
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:15.480
<v Speaker 14>I mean Dick told me gave everybody their money's worth

934
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:18.360
<v Speaker 14>every year he was here, and he entertained the hell

935
00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:24.280
<v Speaker 14>out of him right right, and had a pretty successful

936
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:29.320
<v Speaker 14>track record track record doing it. And so who did

937
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:33.599
<v Speaker 14>we have next? Mac of It? I remember calling it.

938
00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:36.639
<v Speaker 14>I remember calling into a show like yours on the

939
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:39.880
<v Speaker 14>on the other station. Well, what was that guy's name

940
00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:43.400
<v Speaker 14>that ran that talk radio late in the afternoon.

941
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:45.320
<v Speaker 2>Were you talking about Gabe Mike Gaberson?

942
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:51.199
<v Speaker 14>That may have been. Anyway, we were all commiserating about

943
00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:54.559
<v Speaker 14>the the the events and a couple of years into

944
00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:57.440
<v Speaker 14>the mac of It thing, And when I called in,

945
00:43:57.599 --> 00:43:59.599
<v Speaker 14>I said, I told him what just what I told you?

946
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:04.000
<v Speaker 14>And I said, you know what next level was that?

947
00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:07.039
<v Speaker 14>I mean, Dick told me could go out and get

948
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:10.119
<v Speaker 14>kids that we're driving beer trucks and win football games.

949
00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:14.760
<v Speaker 14>Went on the offensive line. Anyway, Well, I think.

950
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Jim, you you described the situation perfectly, uh, Jay, and

951
00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:21.079
<v Speaker 2>you were close to it. You know, I was a fan.

952
00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:23.440
<v Speaker 2>I was not a fan of a writer, but I

953
00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:26.760
<v Speaker 2>was doing basketball but exactly he had those moments. But

954
00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:30.760
<v Speaker 2>I think at that time in the situation, people thought

955
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:33.440
<v Speaker 2>the same thing that he said, Dick's not the guy

956
00:44:33.559 --> 00:44:36.000
<v Speaker 2>that's gonna take us to the next level. And you're right, Jim,

957
00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:39.079
<v Speaker 2>what level that meant? And now in revisions history as

958
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:42.199
<v Speaker 2>you look back, you'd die for that guy? Right?

959
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:46.880
<v Speaker 14>Yeah? What level was that they were? There was an

960
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:55.840
<v Speaker 14>ephemeral hallucination they were having about about their own expectations

961
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:57.039
<v Speaker 14>that were not to be met.

962
00:44:57.840 --> 00:44:59.440
<v Speaker 2>I hope you're not talking about the UA fans.

963
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:03.719
<v Speaker 14>Well, there are a lot of people have fallen into

964
00:45:03.719 --> 00:45:07.360
<v Speaker 14>that category, but at that moment, I'm talking about the

965
00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:09.119
<v Speaker 14>local intelligensia.

966
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:11.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Oh, you're right, you're on. You're spun on.

967
00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:15.159
<v Speaker 14>So I have one more comment I would like to make,

968
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:19.920
<v Speaker 14>if you will allow me ahead, Padres are catching up

969
00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:20.639
<v Speaker 14>with your Dodgers.

970
00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:24.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh man, Well, well, the Dodgers got Mookie back. They're

971
00:45:24.920 --> 00:45:26.320
<v Speaker 3>not going to lose the rest of the year. So

972
00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:26.760
<v Speaker 3>there you go.

973
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:29.800
<v Speaker 14>That's belonging.

974
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:30.280
<v Speaker 3>You know.

975
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:36.880
<v Speaker 14>How many games in the football team honors schedule? Eleven twelve,

976
00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:42.639
<v Speaker 14>twelve scheduled games? Okay, I'm going to say eight games

977
00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:43.280
<v Speaker 14>that will win eight.

978
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:46.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's okay, and are you would you be happy

979
00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:46.800
<v Speaker 3>with that?

980
00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:51.360
<v Speaker 14>Well, I'd be rooting for that nine point I know

981
00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:52.039
<v Speaker 14>you will be.

982
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:53.760
<v Speaker 3>But if there eight and four at the end of

983
00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:55.400
<v Speaker 3>the year, let's say eight four and they beat a

984
00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:57.599
<v Speaker 3>s U, are you happy.

985
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:02.280
<v Speaker 14>I said, I'd be wishing for that ninth win?

986
00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:06.719
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, Yeah, I agree with Jim, all right.

987
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:11.760
<v Speaker 14>But I think realistically that's that football conference I think

988
00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:13.559
<v Speaker 14>is much better than people saying this.

989
00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:15.639
<v Speaker 2>I agree you're going to do.

990
00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:20.880
<v Speaker 14>You're going to consistently run into competent, productive teams, right

991
00:46:21.159 --> 00:46:23.679
<v Speaker 14>physical and if you're down at all, if you're not

992
00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:26.920
<v Speaker 14>on your mark every week, you're gonna get your budd eat.

993
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:30.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure, for sure, all right, Jim, Hey, thanks

994
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:31.920
<v Speaker 3>a bunch man, as always appreciate it.

995
00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Jim's spot on. I think that, you know, twenty four

996
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:39.920
<v Speaker 2>years later, twenty four years later, after people people long

997
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:42.039
<v Speaker 2>for for that for that guy.

998
00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:44.599
<v Speaker 3>Right right, did they forget? They didn't really go? Ahead?

999
00:46:44.719 --> 00:46:45.000
<v Speaker 5>Right right?

1000
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:47.199
<v Speaker 3>Hi, you're on the air and I on the ball.

1001
00:46:48.599 --> 00:46:50.280
<v Speaker 16>Hey guys, what's happening today?

1002
00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:51.039
<v Speaker 3>Rick?

1003
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:53.039
<v Speaker 2>How are you well?

1004
00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:55.159
<v Speaker 16>I'm trying to stay I'm trying to stay out of

1005
00:46:55.239 --> 00:46:55.639
<v Speaker 16>my waist.

1006
00:46:55.639 --> 00:46:59.440
<v Speaker 2>Steve which is a smart thing. Here's another guy who's

1007
00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:02.599
<v Speaker 2>been around for a long crye. He knew these guys too.

1008
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:05.559
<v Speaker 2>Have you been listening, Yeah, I just.

1009
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:08.239
<v Speaker 16>I'm on the I'm on the road. I finally caught

1010
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:11.519
<v Speaker 16>up with your radio here. Okay, I'm in distance.

1011
00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:16.719
<v Speaker 17>Now, so number one number one. Uh, you know what,

1012
00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:18.639
<v Speaker 17>I don't care where you are in the country.

1013
00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:19.599
<v Speaker 13>Uh.

1014
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:23.760
<v Speaker 16>Fans are fickle, and if your coach doesn't do what

1015
00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:26.480
<v Speaker 16>they think they're supposed to be doing, they're going to

1016
00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:30.159
<v Speaker 16>whine and cry and ask for somebody else. But people

1017
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:32.719
<v Speaker 16>forget too. They did this to lude Olsen.

1018
00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:34.960
<v Speaker 17>They almost ran Loot out of town.

1019
00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:37.000
<v Speaker 14>And uh.

1020
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:40.400
<v Speaker 16>But one thing I've not I knew about Dick told me.

1021
00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:44.880
<v Speaker 16>And I wasn't really that close with him, but he

1022
00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:50.519
<v Speaker 16>was always very gracious and probably more important, he was

1023
00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:54.960
<v Speaker 16>probably one of the most loyal coaches I ever heard,

1024
00:47:55.559 --> 00:47:59.880
<v Speaker 16>I ever heard speak. He took care of his player

1025
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:03.880
<v Speaker 16>and he treated them with respect, and he was loyal.

1026
00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:07.440
<v Speaker 16>And I tell you what, that's a you know, coaches

1027
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:12.639
<v Speaker 16>talk about it, but Dick emulated that philosophy, and he was,

1028
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:17.079
<v Speaker 16>you know, nothing more than just he was just he

1029
00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:21.559
<v Speaker 16>was such a class act all the way around. We don't.

1030
00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:24.320
<v Speaker 16>We don't take that. We take that for granted, and

1031
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:25.440
<v Speaker 16>we shouldn't know.

1032
00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:28.039
<v Speaker 2>You did at the time. Let me ask you. I

1033
00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:30.760
<v Speaker 2>could be wrong with this, but were you close or

1034
00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:32.360
<v Speaker 2>at least knew Stoops better?

1035
00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:34.559
<v Speaker 16>Yeah?

1036
00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:35.639
<v Speaker 14>I probably knew Mike.

1037
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:40.119
<v Speaker 16>I probably knew Mike better because you know, when Dick

1038
00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:43.360
<v Speaker 16>was there, I was in the middle of twenty other things.

1039
00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:44.360
<v Speaker 11>Uh.

1040
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:46.119
<v Speaker 16>And but when we were, when I.

1041
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:49.000
<v Speaker 17>Was in the restaurant business, I was able to I

1042
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:50.960
<v Speaker 17>made friends with a lot.

1043
00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:54.320
<v Speaker 16>Of sports players, a lot of sports teams, and uh,

1044
00:48:54.519 --> 00:48:56.599
<v Speaker 16>I got to I got to know Mike and Mark,

1045
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:01.920
<v Speaker 16>kim Kish and all those guys much better simply because

1046
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:03.440
<v Speaker 16>I had more time to spend with him.

1047
00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:09.039
<v Speaker 2>Did you think that the fans treated Mike fairly?

1048
00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:17.440
<v Speaker 16>The difference between Mike and Dick Tomy and Mike was

1049
00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:22.119
<v Speaker 16>the most introverted personality for a head coach I think

1050
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:28.719
<v Speaker 16>I've ever witnessed. He just did not like he was

1051
00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:33.119
<v Speaker 16>a football coach, and he did not have the personality

1052
00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:36.679
<v Speaker 16>to be able to deal with the general public. And

1053
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:41.840
<v Speaker 16>he was also much more temperamental. I think Dick was

1054
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<v Speaker 16>much more mature, and I think that showed up and

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<v Speaker 16>the way Mike interacted with different audiences. Mike was very

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<v Speaker 16>much his intensity level was on all the time, and

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<v Speaker 16>people just didn't know how to deal with.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, accurate, fair I think, thanks Rick, thanks for

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<v Speaker 2>calling about a couple of minutes.

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<v Speaker 3>And then there's and that's all the things that we've

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<v Speaker 3>all we all thought about Mike steps. There's somebody who

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<v Speaker 3>knew him that it just being the head coach was

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<v Speaker 3>really in his in his DNA right.

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<v Speaker 2>And to go back to something he said, because I've

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<v Speaker 2>written the story a few times, Uh, fans everywhere are

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what he said, fickle and and we kind of generalize,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think it's to the to the fairness of

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<v Speaker 2>the fickleness, because that's who they are. Albuquerque. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>where are USA.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have a fan. I don't have a problem

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<v Speaker 3>with fans being upset if you don't win enough, right,

1072
00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:42.800
<v Speaker 3>you're paying mine. You go see these teams, you you

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00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:44.880
<v Speaker 3>know you're behind them, you support them, you put your

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00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:47.000
<v Speaker 3>in some of you some people put their heart into them.

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<v Speaker 3>You want them to win, and you're upset when they don't.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's perfectly fine. But by the same token, you know,

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00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:01.119
<v Speaker 3>I feel like, well you need to support them win

1078
00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:04.559
<v Speaker 3>or lose. Right, if you really love this team, or

1079
00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:08.480
<v Speaker 3>you really you know, a fan of the team, when

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<v Speaker 3>they lose, you don't go away. Maybe you're not as happy,

1081
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<v Speaker 3>but you don't go away. And you say I'm not

1082
00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:18.000
<v Speaker 3>gonna come to the games anymore because you suck. Right. Look,

1083
00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:21.960
<v Speaker 3>for example, how long has Nebraska sucked since you've gotten

1084
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<v Speaker 3>to the Big Can Yet they sell out all their games.

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<v Speaker 2>So to my point from earlier and to your point now,

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00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:31.480
<v Speaker 2>does that happen here with the you suck, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna go.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, all the time. There were twenty thousand people at

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<v Speaker 3>the Kevin Sumlin games, right, And I get it. I

1090
00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:43.280
<v Speaker 3>was as unhappy as anybody else with what was going

1091
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<v Speaker 3>on with the program under Kevin Sumlin. And the same

1092
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<v Speaker 3>and the same goes for what was happening what happened

1093
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<v Speaker 3>with the program with John mcvick. But I was still

1094
00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:55.159
<v Speaker 3>at every game. I still went to every game, and

1095
00:51:56.400 --> 00:51:58.360
<v Speaker 3>maybe maybe I was unhappy and I walked into the

1096
00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:01.400
<v Speaker 3>stadium thinking Arizona had no chance to win, but I

1097
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<v Speaker 3>went and and that's to me, there's there's nothing wrong

1098
00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:10.239
<v Speaker 3>with having that expectation from your fans, and that gives

1099
00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:12.039
<v Speaker 3>you more incentive to try and win. So I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>but our fans, you lose, they don't, they go they

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00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:19.519
<v Speaker 3>go away. And that's yeah, But not all fans are

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<v Speaker 3>like that, Not all fan bases are like no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>and you're right, right right, We got to hit out.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna be back, uh Henry. Henry is gonna have

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<v Speaker 3>breaking new so be sure to stick around.
