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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Moving Conversations, a podcast for movement professionals, by

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<v Speaker 1>movement professionals. If you coach, train, or teach movement, pilates

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<v Speaker 1>or fitness, then this podcast is for you. With more

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<v Speaker 1>than sixty years of experience and fitness and pilates, your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Ritchie and Norse Saint John explored to science of

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<v Speaker 1>human movement, diving deep into the backs, myths, and common misconceptions,

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<v Speaker 1>hoping to spark thought and conversation about how we view

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<v Speaker 1>fitness and movement. Now let's jump into Moving Conversations and

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<v Speaker 1>welcome back to Moving Conversations. I'm Brian Richie joining me

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<v Speaker 1>as always ignors and John more in Nora. How you

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<v Speaker 1>doing very well?

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<v Speaker 2>Brian. I have to say it is beautiful weather here,

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<v Speaker 2>and I live in California. One of the wonderful things

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<v Speaker 2>about the Sacramento Valley where I live is that the

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<v Speaker 2>food is amazing. And I have a next door neighbor

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<v Speaker 2>who has a peach tree. Oh and she just brought

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<v Speaker 2>me over this bag of like perfectly ripe peaches and

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<v Speaker 2>they are just the like the best peaches I have

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<v Speaker 2>had in years. They're not rotten like usually peaches you

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<v Speaker 2>get them, and they are they never ripen or they rot.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a rare one that fits off. It's ripe

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<v Speaker 2>and ready and it's good. Doesn't happen that way, but

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<v Speaker 2>every single one of these has been perfect. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>having a peachy summer.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, Okay, that's one of my Grapes and peaches are

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<v Speaker 1>two of my biggest weaknesses for fruits. I literally lived

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<v Speaker 1>on peaches and we had a tangerine tree down the

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<v Speaker 1>street one entire summer. That's pretty much all I ate

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<v Speaker 1>during the day were those two fruits because I could

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<v Speaker 1>get them and they weren't that expensive back then. You're

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<v Speaker 1>right now hard to find ones that are just right,

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<v Speaker 1>and you just have to sort of go with whatever

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<v Speaker 1>they've got and hopefully, like a banana, you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>sort of you buy them one day and they're green

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<v Speaker 1>and wait two days and suddenly they're no longer any good.

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<v Speaker 1>So well you kind of have to time it just right. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they wonder if.

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<v Speaker 2>They ripen without rotting, like sometimes they just go bad.

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<v Speaker 2>They go from hard to bed, like they didn't even

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<v Speaker 2>go through a moment of goodness in there. But again,

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<v Speaker 2>she little is across the street. She brought the bag.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh, this look good, and then then I

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<v Speaker 2>opened up the bag and like.

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<v Speaker 1>The smell that smell, Oh my god, best thing ever. Nice. Nice. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>today we have a topic. Before we get to it,

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<v Speaker 1>Waiting in touch with us. So today's topic. This came

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<v Speaker 1>up this week because I think I mentioned before a

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<v Speaker 1>couple months ago I had a surgical procedure, and guess what,

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<v Speaker 1>I had another one on Monday, this one on my

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<v Speaker 1>foot infection removed the big toenail. Horrible, horrible, horrible. Not

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<v Speaker 1>going into details, that's really bad, but let's suffice is

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<v Speaker 1>to say, I'm hobbling around.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>One of my employees starts calling me tenderfoot. So I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, yes, that's me. I'm tenderfoot today for a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks and what But the thought process was, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>when do you start doing something, recovery recovery from illness,

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<v Speaker 1>recovery from surgery, recovery from major surgery versus minor surgery,

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<v Speaker 1>all of these type of things. When do you start

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<v Speaker 1>working out again? When do you start moving again? What's appropriate?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I don't know about you ANDAR, but I've had

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people ask me, you know, I was

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<v Speaker 1>sick all of last week. When is it good?

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<v Speaker 2>Should I come in?

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<v Speaker 1>Should I come in?

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<v Speaker 2>Come in? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, you know, and you know, same thing with surgery.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I've had some people literally I had this

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<v Speaker 1>on Monday. They would have come in on Tuesday with

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<v Speaker 1>an open wound and everything, and I'm thinking, what are

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<v Speaker 1>you doing here? So I thought that'd be an interesting

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<v Speaker 1>topic for us to discuss.

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<v Speaker 2>Especially because for you and I, you know, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>like we're training people from marathons. We're not assuming that

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to have to run, you know, five miles

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<v Speaker 2>when the first day they come in. We have in

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<v Speaker 2>our toolkit and certainly in the Ploti Studio Toolkit and

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<v Speaker 2>certainly in your personal training slash POLATEI Studio Toolkit, you

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<v Speaker 2>can start people anywhere, right, You can start people at

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<v Speaker 2>anybody part, at any level. And one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that I always like to bring up, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>an old study that I don't have the reference for,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'll look it up if you need me to.

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<v Speaker 2>They did a study with a bunch of young men.

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<v Speaker 2>These were college age men, just many years ago, and

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<v Speaker 2>they basically put them to bed for three weeks and

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<v Speaker 2>the goal was to see how much how much deconditioning

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<v Speaker 2>they came. You know, it happened in three weeks for

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<v Speaker 2>these again twenty somethings or eighteen year old twenty eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>to twenty year olds and they found out that it

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<v Speaker 2>was three weeks of bed rest, it took them a

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<v Speaker 2>minimum of three months to return to their previous level

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<v Speaker 2>of fitness. Yeah, okay, so one week of not doing

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<v Speaker 2>anything meant they needed really like three to four weeks

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<v Speaker 2>of getting back to their regular activity level to return

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<v Speaker 2>their previous level of fitness. And then they did the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing with this group of people when they were

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<v Speaker 2>in their i think late forties, early fifties. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>sure how they got them back together again, but suppose

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<v Speaker 2>they did. And in that group again, they put them

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<v Speaker 2>to bed for three weeks, which is probably malpractice. You

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<v Speaker 2>can actually do, but a idea that was a bad idea,

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<v Speaker 2>and for many of them they never returned to their

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<v Speaker 2>previous level of fitness. And if those who did, it

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<v Speaker 2>took a year. So you know what that said to

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<v Speaker 2>me at the time when I first heard this was

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<v Speaker 2>many many years ago. And again, even if this isn't

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<v Speaker 2>I think, well it is. It was based on an

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<v Speaker 2>actual study, but it's also just what you experience. If

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<v Speaker 2>you really don't do anything for a period of time,

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<v Speaker 2>your conditioning can be severely affected by that. We're talking

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<v Speaker 2>total bed rest. We're not talking like keeping some things going.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I think about recovery, and certainly at Saint Francis,

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<v Speaker 2>when I was working with all the sports medicine doctors

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<v Speaker 2>there and going for a lot of the conference I

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<v Speaker 2>went to, they really took a very I would almost

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<v Speaker 2>say aggressive approach and get something moving as soon as

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<v Speaker 2>possible was kind of their basic mantrap. If you had

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<v Speaker 2>a knee surgery, move your other leg, move your core,

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<v Speaker 2>move your arm, get some circulation going. All those things

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<v Speaker 2>help with healing.

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<v Speaker 1>M It's really difficult, I think for a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people who go through things like this. And I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to use myself as as an example. My surgery, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was abdominal surgery, and it was pretty significant, and

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<v Speaker 1>I had a lot of complications in pain afterward, and

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't I wasn't able to do much of anything

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<v Speaker 1>for almost a month. Right by that by a month,

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<v Speaker 1>I could barely walk a flight of stairs without being winded.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was doing I mean, I could get on

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<v Speaker 1>an elliptical for a half an hour without blinking at

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<v Speaker 1>a high intensity level. My heart rate didn't raise that

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<v Speaker 1>much one or two flights of stairs and I'm just dying.

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought Oh my gosh, you lose it so

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<v Speaker 1>quickly and it does take a while to come back.

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<v Speaker 1>Because once I realized that, I said, oh, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>care how I feel. I got to at least get

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<v Speaker 1>some movement going and start something. But as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes when you feel awful, the last thing you really

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<v Speaker 1>want to do is move You just want to sit

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<v Speaker 1>down and just be like, oh woe is me? Because

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<v Speaker 1>let's face it, pain makes you a little depressed and

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<v Speaker 1>you start feeling sorry for yourself, and depression leads to

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<v Speaker 1>lack of movement and whatnot for a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was feeling that way. I'll be the first

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<v Speaker 1>to admit it. Man, I didn't want to do things,

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<v Speaker 1>but you got to force yourself sometimes at a certain point,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to at least get something going. Even after

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<v Speaker 1>my foot. You'll appreciate this. I called, leaving the hospital,

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<v Speaker 1>call my wife and just let her know that I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking of stopping back at work, and I work

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<v Speaker 1>a half an hour away, but I have decided to

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<v Speaker 1>come home. But I told her, you know, I was

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about going, and she said, if you say to

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<v Speaker 1>the gym, I'm going to kill you. And I'm thinking, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in the past. That is something that I

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<v Speaker 1>can easily hear myself saying. It's like, but I could

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<v Speaker 1>do other stuff, you know, but I was like, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I've decided I'm coming home for today. But then today

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<v Speaker 1>I was stir crazy. So yes, I had all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I went in the other room, I got on the

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<v Speaker 1>spine fitter, I got on the phone roll or I

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<v Speaker 1>did mobility work. I did a little bit of core work,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, whatever I can do just to get my

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<v Speaker 1>body moving because I felt sluggish. I felt like my

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<v Speaker 1>body wasn't wasn't the way it should be. I still

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel one hundred percent and the rest of my body,

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<v Speaker 1>but I feel better than I did.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a bunch of things in that, right. So

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<v Speaker 2>some of it is and I've brought to so many

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<v Speaker 2>clients with these, this transition from inactivity for whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 2>post surgical illness, whatever it is, back to activity. And

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a psychological component, which, as you said, is

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<v Speaker 2>pretty profound. There's the there's sort of the depression of

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<v Speaker 2>lack of motivation. Is also the fear, you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>somebody especially has something like a back problem or a

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<v Speaker 2>neck problem, something very central in their body. Uh, Their

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<v Speaker 2>fear of movement can be really we're talking about this before,

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<v Speaker 2>but can be really profound. And many people's reaction to pain,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's you know, after surgery, after illness or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>is just okay, I just won't do that, Like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just I'm checking that off the list. Ye uh. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's a really common reaction, which isn't well, isn't always,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, is mostly not the right answer.

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<v Speaker 1>And we have the right I have a client who

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen years ago pulled a muscle in her back doing

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<v Speaker 1>a rowing type exercise. She was working with a trainer

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<v Speaker 1>who put wave too much weight on a seated row

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<v Speaker 1>machine and just kept yelling at her to keep going,

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<v Speaker 1>keep going, and she pulled a muscle. She basically, I

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<v Speaker 1>believe pulled a rhomboid. She may have even you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly I've put several clients I can

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<v Speaker 2>on the abdomen. Okay, so that makes sense. But what

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<v Speaker 2>You know, It's like there's always things you can do

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<v Speaker 2>that for most people most of the time, like you're

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<v Speaker 2>experiencing this morning will make you feel better. And again

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<v Speaker 2>it's like there's that activation energy. You don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>And sometimes it's really convincing clients like, I know you're

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<v Speaker 2>but I promise you you'll feel better after like ten minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's just get over that hump and then go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's there's always a philosophy that was put to

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<v Speaker 1>and if your body is trying to recover from something,

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to go only give half of your

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<v Speaker 1>to recovering from your workout or whatever else you're doing,

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<v Speaker 1>or do you want one hundred percent to go to

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<v Speaker 1>that's that was always something that sort of laid in

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<v Speaker 1>some sense that, Okay, I do want to recover as

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<v Speaker 1>but I also believe that there's circulation that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>occur when you do get your body in motion and

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<v Speaker 1>you can avoid the area. You know, I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think for me, the falsehood there is based

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<v Speaker 2>on that previous study I talked about with you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the young men. Is is rest is an interesting concept, right,

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<v Speaker 2>We often think and I think about one of my

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<v Speaker 2>Just sit down, like it was always every time to

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<v Speaker 2>the house. Oh just sit down, relax, Yeah, take a

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<v Speaker 2>load off. Recover is like the thing being that that's

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<v Speaker 2>I know that in fact, if I rest too much,

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<v Speaker 2>real real rest, real like like that whole idea that

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<v Speaker 2>you only have X amount of energy. You know, actually

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<v Speaker 2>that's yes, in some major way that may be true.

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<v Speaker 2>But on any individual moment, right, I can build up

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<v Speaker 2>less energy by not doing anything. So you know, really

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<v Speaker 2>that that equivalence is more like, how do you and

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<v Speaker 2>this is very individual, how do you keep you know,

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<v Speaker 2>build your energy up because your energy will also help

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<v Speaker 2>your recovery without depleting you. And that's that's the funny line. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, for I think of many of my super

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<v Speaker 2>tendency and recovery was to do way too much and

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<v Speaker 2>set themselves back. Yes, you know, they come out of surgery,

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, I'm great, I'm fine, I'm going to just

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<v Speaker 2>go right back to my workout, and then two weeks

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<v Speaker 2>later they've actually reinjured the area or cause themselves more

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<v Speaker 2>trouble and then they really literally have to stop right

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<v Speaker 2>for a period of time because they've just overdone things.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one option. The other option is like, oh, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>problem with that is if you don't do anything, you

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<v Speaker 2>may never get to one hundred percent perfect because your

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<v Speaker 2>body needs circulation, needs energy, needs blood flow to heal.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a fine lines there. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>balancing that we're trying to do there, and.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to conventure your client of that, especially if

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<v Speaker 1>they've experienced I don't know about you with yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>for me, I have a tendency when I get injured

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<v Speaker 1>that I almost want to blast the area because I

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<v Speaker 1>want it better now. I want to just get this better,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know what to do because this is our field.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. My rotator cuff was flared up, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and it does take time to heal. But as soon

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<v Speaker 1>as it would start feeling a little better, I would

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<v Speaker 1>immediately start trying to do things that I know maybe

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<v Speaker 1>should I shouldn't, you know, but I'm feeling better. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>feeling good, so why not try it? And then it

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<v Speaker 1>sets you back a little bit. But I'm getting so

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<v Speaker 1>bored with those rehab exercises and I think I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>little better, but I also have to remind myself, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit longer. Whether I like to admit it

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<v Speaker 1>or not, maybe it does take a little bit longer

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<v Speaker 1>for that connective tissue to begin the healing process and

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<v Speaker 1>for things to you know, fully recover. And sometimes it

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<v Speaker 1>does require more time than I think an athlete or

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<v Speaker 1>someone who has done athletics or dance or a high

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<v Speaker 1>level of activity really wants to give themselves. Yes, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>This is the kind of under me come up to

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. You know. It's like it's like a

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<v Speaker 2>My clients set some knee pain, and it is a

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<v Speaker 2>fine line for them, like I recognize. So first it

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<v Speaker 2>was like, well, let's just rest it and see how

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<v Speaker 2>we go. Things did not get better. Then they went

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<v Speaker 2>And they did some biking and after two days their

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<v Speaker 2>he felt a whole lot better. But you couldn't guarantee that,

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<v Speaker 2>like it could have just caused iritation, swelled everything up.

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<v Speaker 2>There could have been a worse shape. And so it

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<v Speaker 2>really is one of those things where every individual, in

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<v Speaker 2>every circumstance, you know, kind of push it a bit,

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<v Speaker 2>see how far you go, and then maybe maybe you

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<v Speaker 2>have to step back, But you have to find that

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<v Speaker 2>line of how it's like, how is that path of recovery?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it a slow path? Does it need a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of rest breaks or and it be kind of more

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<v Speaker 2>aggressive like you, Brian, I also like, oh, something's bothering me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to work it. You know, this is like

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of quad says. I'm going to like do some squaws,

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's just my natural habit, which, like you, sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>is the right answer. Like oftentimes for me, more often

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<v Speaker 2>than not, it has been the right answer. But occasionally

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<v Speaker 2>it was the wrong answer and I just needed to stop.

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<v Speaker 2>But I didn't know that until I'd actually tried something

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<v Speaker 2>and gone, oh, you know, let's let's pull back. And

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that's that is the challenge with recovery

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<v Speaker 2>from from all of these situations is how do you

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<v Speaker 2>figure out when to start, how much to start, and

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<v Speaker 2>so much of our job is to monitor that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so many of our clients, that's our job is like Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>here's the red light, here's the green light. Let's let's

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<v Speaker 2>let's push this. And then okay, when am I going

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<v Speaker 2>to push I'm gonna push you just a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>this time. We'll see how you do right next day,

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<v Speaker 2>day after, they come back in, four days later or

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<v Speaker 1>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good by the day after. Okay, that's a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a reaction, but I think we can continue

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<v Speaker 2>with that level. Like we've moved it up a notch.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's stick with that. See how we go. Then you

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<v Speaker 2>take the next step up right, and it's that slow

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<v Speaker 2>progressive feedback. Did it work? Did it not work?

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<v Speaker 1>That just goes on and on, And that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>what makes us sort of the body detectives that we are,

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<v Speaker 1>is that we have to continually look at what seems

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<v Speaker 1>right now. She had some major major problems for a

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<v Speaker 1>We'd try something, it wouldn't work, and it would set

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<v Speaker 1>I said, okay, I said, I think now's the time

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<v Speaker 1>for us to start back on this. I said, but

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<v Speaker 1>One exercise, that's it, and on your own, you're going

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<v Speaker 1>That was the key? Was it worse? Did it make

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<v Speaker 1>but we're going to add one more thing in today. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And it was something simple, and again each session we

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<v Speaker 1>sick and tired of being hurt, I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>do what I was doing and do what I want

418
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<v Speaker 1>to do, and so they do too much and then

419
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<v Speaker 1>they get set back. Like I did with my shoulder.

420
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<v Speaker 1>I felt great for the last six weeks. This feels great,

421
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<v Speaker 1>and I do too much and I go back to

422
00:22:21.079 --> 00:22:23.480
<v Speaker 1>an old workout and think that felt great, and afterwards

423
00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:25.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, that was awesome. It didn't hurt when I

424
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<v Speaker 1>did it, fantastic, And the next day I'm like, holy crap,

425
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<v Speaker 1>what did I do? I feel beat up, and then

426
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<v Speaker 1>it's another three to four weeks of nursing it. It's like, oh, okay,

427
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<v Speaker 1>So there is that fine line. So I say limit

428
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<v Speaker 1>the number of variables. That's sort of Stage one for

429
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<v Speaker 1>me is limit the variable time for one thing at

430
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<v Speaker 1>a time m hm.

431
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<v Speaker 2>And then seeah they respond yes and if you absolutely

432
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, and that's a wonderful thing about what we

433
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<v Speaker 2>do as opposed to what other practitioners get to do.

434
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<v Speaker 2>We can say, Okay, we're going to just leave that

435
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<v Speaker 2>ankle be right for or whatever. We're going to leave

436
00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:06.200
<v Speaker 2>that shoulder bat. We're going to work on your other side.

437
00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:07.599
<v Speaker 2>We're going to work on your legs, we work on

438
00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:09.839
<v Speaker 2>your core, do all kinds of things that don't involve

439
00:23:09.880 --> 00:23:12.519
<v Speaker 2>that area. So you're still getting circulation, you're still getting stuff,

440
00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:15.119
<v Speaker 2>but you're not stressing that. So I think, and I

441
00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:17.519
<v Speaker 2>think that's really a lot of our role is exactly

442
00:23:17.559 --> 00:23:20.119
<v Speaker 2>what you're talking about, is guiding them from one step,

443
00:23:20.799 --> 00:23:23.599
<v Speaker 2>checking on that step, so you know, add a variable,

444
00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:26.559
<v Speaker 2>see how they respond. If that was good, then add

445
00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:29.880
<v Speaker 2>one more variable, see how they respond, and then slowly

446
00:23:29.920 --> 00:23:34.000
<v Speaker 2>build them back up. And like you personally, not just

447
00:23:34.039 --> 00:23:37.880
<v Speaker 2>your clients, but like you, so many of us, and

448
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<v Speaker 2>this is something I think about a lot, have the

449
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<v Speaker 2>mentality of we are still our twenty something self or

450
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<v Speaker 2>our thirty something self.

451
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<v Speaker 1>You nevern me otherwise.

452
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<v Speaker 2>We are still that body that could recover within minutes

453
00:23:53.799 --> 00:23:57.119
<v Speaker 2>and could do X, workout whatever it is, right Like,

454
00:23:57.240 --> 00:23:59.920
<v Speaker 2>that's just just two we are. That's our internal ima

455
00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:02.599
<v Speaker 2>of ourselves. It's always like at least twenty years behind.

456
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<v Speaker 2>For most of us, twenty years behind when we actually

457
00:24:04.599 --> 00:24:07.039
<v Speaker 2>are like twenty years younger than we actually are. And

458
00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:09.400
<v Speaker 2>so there's that assumption too, like, well I should just

459
00:24:09.440 --> 00:24:12.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, I could just do this, and to put

460
00:24:12.200 --> 00:24:14.720
<v Speaker 2>a finer point on what you're saying, it feels good

461
00:24:14.799 --> 00:24:17.799
<v Speaker 2>at the time a whole lot of Like there's some

462
00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:20.000
<v Speaker 2>things that hurt more when you work them, there are

463
00:24:20.039 --> 00:24:23.079
<v Speaker 2>many things that hurt less. When there's circulation and there's

464
00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:25.640
<v Speaker 2>mobility and there's some of that stuff A lot of

465
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<v Speaker 2>times that decreases the pain from a fascial perspective.

466
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<v Speaker 1>You increase properate.

467
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<v Speaker 2>Reception, you decrease no susception. So you know there's that

468
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<v Speaker 2>balance too. But it's what happens, like again, on the

469
00:24:35.920 --> 00:24:39.160
<v Speaker 2>drive home that night the next day, that's when you

470
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<v Speaker 2>know whether they reacted or not. And so that's why

471
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<v Speaker 2>I like, I take the feedback at the moment, but

472
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<v Speaker 2>I don't get too excited about it because it's easy

473
00:24:46.279 --> 00:24:48.920
<v Speaker 2>as the beginning teacher to go, oh, you feel better, great,

474
00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:53.359
<v Speaker 2>let's let's let's keep going. And you're like, okay, put

475
00:24:53.400 --> 00:24:56.440
<v Speaker 2>the rakes on, that's enough, move on to something else.

476
00:24:56.880 --> 00:24:58.759
<v Speaker 2>How they do that night, how they do the next day,

477
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<v Speaker 2>If that all went fine, do it again. If there

478
00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:03.440
<v Speaker 2>is trouble, back it down one step. This is that

479
00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:08.680
<v Speaker 2>delicate dance of recovery for everybody.

480
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<v Speaker 1>And that is something that we have to remind ourselves

481
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<v Speaker 1>about a lot of times, just getting them to move.

482
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<v Speaker 1>I have one client that every time she leaves, and

483
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<v Speaker 1>I do mean every time she leaves, I feel so

484
00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:22.880
<v Speaker 1>much better than when I walked in. And she's prett

485
00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:26.440
<v Speaker 1>knee replacement. You know, she's got you know, she's got

486
00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:28.839
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of things that she's gonna have to deal

487
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<v Speaker 1>with them mentally in life. And she's in her early sixties.

488
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<v Speaker 1>But every time she leaves, she's thanking me like I've

489
00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:40.640
<v Speaker 1>performed a miracle. And sometimes you got to take the

490
00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:42.640
<v Speaker 1>ego out of it because it feels really good at

491
00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:45.240
<v Speaker 1>the time. You're like a haha, I did my job,

492
00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:48.880
<v Speaker 1>and I'm always like I'm so glad, I'm glad your

493
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<v Speaker 1>body responded, well, I'm not putting it on me. I'm

494
00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:54.720
<v Speaker 1>putting it on their body. They're the ones that actually moved.

495
00:25:55.400 --> 00:25:57.079
<v Speaker 1>I may have set them upright, I may have put

496
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<v Speaker 1>them in the right position. I may have pointed them

497
00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:01.799
<v Speaker 1>in the right direction, but it's their body that actually

498
00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:04.960
<v Speaker 1>did the movement, and I want to check in on

499
00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:07.400
<v Speaker 1>them a day or two later and say, how did

500
00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:11.839
<v Speaker 1>it feel afterward? Oh, it's feeling better fine, or you know,

501
00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:14.519
<v Speaker 1>that night it was kind of achy, but today it's

502
00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:17.960
<v Speaker 1>not bad. It's okay. So maybe we were a little aggressive,

503
00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:20.680
<v Speaker 1>but if it's not bad the next day, maybe we were.

504
00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Maybe that is the level we can stay at, you know,

505
00:26:24.200 --> 00:26:27.680
<v Speaker 1>and we can just see how their body responds. But

506
00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:30.279
<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of it is take the feedback

507
00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:38.079
<v Speaker 1>in sort of listen to it critically. Let go of

508
00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:41.319
<v Speaker 1>the flowers that someone's trying to give you, because everybody

509
00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:45.359
<v Speaker 1>wants to praise us, and that's wonderful, but put that aside,

510
00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:49.279
<v Speaker 1>but listen to the other part and really try and

511
00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:52.200
<v Speaker 1>figure out, Okay, this hurt for two days afterward, Okay,

512
00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:55.519
<v Speaker 1>that's a little too much. Yep, So what did I do? Okay,

513
00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:59.160
<v Speaker 1>we're going to do half of that yep, and see

514
00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:01.799
<v Speaker 1>how that worked, or you know, a third whatever it is,

515
00:27:01.839 --> 00:27:03.960
<v Speaker 1>whatever your number is, and you can figure out based

516
00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:06.079
<v Speaker 1>on the client in front of you, their age, their recovery,

517
00:27:06.079 --> 00:27:08.640
<v Speaker 1>all of that. And we've worked with clients long enough

518
00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:11.000
<v Speaker 1>that eventually you kind of figure out with a client, Oh,

519
00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:13.599
<v Speaker 1>this person recovers fairly quickly, or oh my gosh, it's

520
00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:18.559
<v Speaker 1>been nine months and they still haven't recovered yet, Holy MACRONI.

521
00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:20.880
<v Speaker 1>So sometimes it does take time, but when you get

522
00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:23.440
<v Speaker 1>to know the client, you can figure that out sometimes

523
00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:25.319
<v Speaker 1>how much to push, how much to pull back?

524
00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:30.839
<v Speaker 2>And that is that is the story, right, that is

525
00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:34.759
<v Speaker 2>absol the story there of how you how you you

526
00:27:35.559 --> 00:27:39.759
<v Speaker 2>moderate and guide you're really guiding your client from one

527
00:27:39.799 --> 00:27:43.000
<v Speaker 2>state to another. And one of the other things this

528
00:27:43.079 --> 00:27:45.200
<v Speaker 2>has been coming up a lot in some of teaching.

529
00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:48.000
<v Speaker 2>I've been doing the difference. We talked a little bit

530
00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:51.759
<v Speaker 2>the other day, the difference between managing and healing. Yeah,

531
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:54.680
<v Speaker 2>and you know, so many of us have little things

532
00:27:54.680 --> 00:27:57.160
<v Speaker 2>that bother us, and we just they're not bad enough

533
00:27:57.160 --> 00:27:58.839
<v Speaker 2>to stop us from doing much. You know, a little

534
00:27:58.839 --> 00:28:00.640
<v Speaker 2>low back pay in the morning, a little niece, stiffness,

535
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:03.359
<v Speaker 2>we do this or that, So we just manage it.

536
00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:05.720
<v Speaker 2>We don't really pay attention to it. We don't actually

537
00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:07.559
<v Speaker 2>get in there and do the thing that might actually

538
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:10.839
<v Speaker 2>make it get all the way better. And so sometimes

539
00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:14.039
<v Speaker 2>what I find with my clients with recovery, as I'm

540
00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:18.640
<v Speaker 2>working on that line, I'm really ideally in my idealized universe,

541
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:22.279
<v Speaker 2>trying to aim them towards healing, towards full recovery of

542
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:25.599
<v Speaker 2>whatever that thing is. But you don't always get that, right.

543
00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:27.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure any of you out there who over the

544
00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:30.799
<v Speaker 2>age of about forty know that some things just kind

545
00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:34.319
<v Speaker 2>of stay with you for periods of time. May eventually result,

546
00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:37.599
<v Speaker 2>but sometimes they don't. You have an old knee injury

547
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:40.400
<v Speaker 2>that just you know, like you had a noniscus tear

548
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:42.720
<v Speaker 2>when you were young and never really healed it and

549
00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:44.519
<v Speaker 2>worked really hard on it, and maybe that neil always

550
00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:47.400
<v Speaker 2>a little cranky, right, Like we've got those things, some

551
00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:49.519
<v Speaker 2>of us. So some of it too is how do

552
00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:53.400
<v Speaker 2>we how do we just moderate and find get as

553
00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:56.319
<v Speaker 2>good as we can, but also understand that sometimes you're

554
00:28:56.400 --> 00:28:59.640
<v Speaker 2>managing the situation right, sometimes you're not going to get

555
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:03.559
<v Speaker 2>full of recovery. When that client come to grips with

556
00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:06.960
<v Speaker 2>a managed situation as opposed to full recovery can be challenging,

557
00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:11.519
<v Speaker 2>and sometimes you're really working on let's just take this

558
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:14.039
<v Speaker 2>one step at a time, see how far we can get.

559
00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:18.880
<v Speaker 2>I always say I maintain hope no matter what, no

560
00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:21.799
<v Speaker 2>matter what that client comes in with or what their

561
00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:24.519
<v Speaker 2>doctor has told them they can expect. I'm like, I'm

562
00:29:24.519 --> 00:29:27.119
<v Speaker 2>not going to have There's no ceiling in my mind,

563
00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:30.359
<v Speaker 2>there's no end point that is predetermined for what we're

564
00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:33.160
<v Speaker 2>working on. We're going to keep working and see where

565
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:36.960
<v Speaker 2>we go, because I don't know everybody's capable of amazing things. Yeah,

566
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:39.839
<v Speaker 2>some clients, as you said, are really fast recovery. Some

567
00:29:39.880 --> 00:29:42.880
<v Speaker 2>clients take forever. But I never say like, oh, you're

568
00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:44.920
<v Speaker 2>done and this is over and you know, get used

569
00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:46.279
<v Speaker 2>to it. I just don't ever say that.

570
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:49.759
<v Speaker 1>And there's something to be said about just staying in

571
00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:53.480
<v Speaker 1>motion as well and finding out, figuring out what doesn't

572
00:29:53.559 --> 00:29:57.519
<v Speaker 1>hurt and doing that. Yep, Because even though my shoulder

573
00:29:57.559 --> 00:29:59.799
<v Speaker 1>was hurt, I thought, Okay, I can still do other things.

574
00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:03.039
<v Speaker 1>My other arm works, my core works, my legs work,

575
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:06.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, everything else was fine. So sometimes it's really

576
00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:09.039
<v Speaker 1>about Okay, I need to strengthen that. And there have

577
00:30:09.079 --> 00:30:11.519
<v Speaker 1>been a number of studies in physical therapy that actually

578
00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:17.359
<v Speaker 1>show working the other body part causes strengthening on the

579
00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:22.039
<v Speaker 1>injured one, even if the injured one isn't doing much instability.

580
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:25.799
<v Speaker 1>There's neurologic, there's a lot of factors, and I've read

581
00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:27.720
<v Speaker 1>through some of the studies, and I'll be honest with you,

582
00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:31.759
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't make sense if I'm doing external rotation exercises

583
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:34.680
<v Speaker 1>with my right arm, but my left one is hurting,

584
00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:37.680
<v Speaker 1>why the left one gets benefit. I don't get it.

585
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:41.960
<v Speaker 1>I've read the studies, but it seems that there is

586
00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:47.160
<v Speaker 1>something there neurologically that still creates some of those pathways

587
00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:50.039
<v Speaker 1>to help it heal. And I think that that's sort

588
00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:52.359
<v Speaker 1>of a fascinating thing as well, that we can say, look,

589
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:55.640
<v Speaker 1>there's so many other things we can do, and let's

590
00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:58.920
<v Speaker 1>find those first, and we can even if we have

591
00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:01.920
<v Speaker 1>to let that rest for the next few weeks, we

592
00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:04.440
<v Speaker 1>can still find all the other things that do work

593
00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:08.079
<v Speaker 1>and don't hurt and then begin to inch our way back.

594
00:31:09.759 --> 00:31:12.039
<v Speaker 2>But just to refine that a little bit more like,

595
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:14.240
<v Speaker 2>there was, you know, one study where somebody was in

596
00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:16.200
<v Speaker 2>or they had a whole group of people that were

597
00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:18.920
<v Speaker 2>in an arm cast. Right, they like broke their femur,

598
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:21.759
<v Speaker 2>their humorous or their or their forearms or something, so

599
00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:24.079
<v Speaker 2>they're in a cast so that arm cannot move for

600
00:31:24.519 --> 00:31:27.279
<v Speaker 2>usually four to six weeks or whatever the situation was,

601
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:31.960
<v Speaker 2>and they had them doing full, a full arm workout

602
00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:35.200
<v Speaker 2>on the other arm. And so they did, you know,

603
00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:37.279
<v Speaker 2>two groups, one group that was doing the exercise, one

604
00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:39.799
<v Speaker 2>group that wasn't, and they take the cast off and

605
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:42.079
<v Speaker 2>the group that was doing the exercises, that arm that

606
00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:44.279
<v Speaker 2>was in the cast had a whole lot more strength

607
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:47.319
<v Speaker 2>than the other arm, right, so that it would like

608
00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:50.319
<v Speaker 2>that simple. So and I tell that to clients all

609
00:31:50.359 --> 00:31:52.240
<v Speaker 2>the time, and I use that, you know, as a

610
00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:54.440
<v Speaker 2>metaphor for them or just as an example for them

611
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:56.200
<v Speaker 2>of Okay, well, you know your right legs in a

612
00:31:56.240 --> 00:31:58.279
<v Speaker 2>cast right now, or your right legs had surgery and

613
00:31:58.319 --> 00:31:59.920
<v Speaker 2>you're not supposed to do a lot of things. We're

614
00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:02.039
<v Speaker 2>to work the left leg. Yeah, we're going to just

615
00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:03.839
<v Speaker 2>make this a single one leg thing, and we're going

616
00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:06.200
<v Speaker 2>to get that as strong as we can. Because that

617
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:09.480
<v Speaker 2>brain does mirror, like what's happening, what's happened on your

618
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:11.799
<v Speaker 2>right side, your brain kind of thinks about happening on

619
00:32:11.839 --> 00:32:14.640
<v Speaker 2>the left side. Still sends the impulses to the muscle,

620
00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:17.079
<v Speaker 2>still sends the motor control to the muscle, like that

621
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:20.640
<v Speaker 2>whole reaction is still there even if you can't actually

622
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:23.359
<v Speaker 2>move the thing. So that's a really important piece too

623
00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:25.160
<v Speaker 2>that we can always use in recovery and use all

624
00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:26.960
<v Speaker 2>the time like, well it's for the other.

625
00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Part, yeah, and why not if the other part works,

626
00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:34.640
<v Speaker 1>keep it strong, keep it strong as much as possible,

627
00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:38.079
<v Speaker 1>figure out what you can do and have your body

628
00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:42.039
<v Speaker 1>do that or your client's body do that. Now, I

629
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:46.200
<v Speaker 1>will say that depending on the injury, that that can

630
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:51.359
<v Speaker 1>sometimes dictate recovery time. For instance, we've talked about tendinitis

631
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:55.440
<v Speaker 1>and tendinosis very different than a broken bone or a

632
00:32:55.480 --> 00:33:00.359
<v Speaker 1>sprained ligament, very different than a surgical procedure. You know,

633
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:02.640
<v Speaker 1>where you have an open wound, you don't want them

634
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:04.920
<v Speaker 1>necessarily have them coming into a gym or an environment

635
00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:07.079
<v Speaker 1>where they could get an infection and things like that.

636
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:13.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, So there's always those those variables in that

637
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:17.480
<v Speaker 1>aspect too, saying Okay, maybe you do need a little

638
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:20.039
<v Speaker 1>bit more time to heal if you have a tendonitis,

639
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:22.480
<v Speaker 1>because all you're going to do is upset the tendon

640
00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:25.160
<v Speaker 1>and maybe you need the anti inflammatory. You need to

641
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:27.599
<v Speaker 1>see the physician or the physical therapist. So let's us

642
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:32.079
<v Speaker 1>work on everything else. But that, you know, it's not

643
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:34.680
<v Speaker 1>as clear cut as let's say a broken arm where

644
00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:36.640
<v Speaker 1>the cast comes off and then it's like Okay, I

645
00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:39.440
<v Speaker 1>can work this again. That seems pretty clear cut.

646
00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:43.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, And the tissue hasn't necessarily been affected so much,

647
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:48.000
<v Speaker 2>necessarily as much. Yeah yeah, exactly. And one of those

648
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:50.640
<v Speaker 2>things too, that I always think about with both the

649
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:53.759
<v Speaker 2>circumstances is how am I going to get that client

650
00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:58.440
<v Speaker 2>to think more positively and to decrease the fear after

651
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:02.680
<v Speaker 2>an injury. And what I find is fear is a

652
00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:09.519
<v Speaker 2>profoundly brain dominating emotion, So you know, and I always

653
00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:12.119
<v Speaker 2>think about something really simple and kind of banal. If

654
00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:15.119
<v Speaker 2>you're walking around the city, and I'm sure some of

655
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:16.639
<v Speaker 2>the men have had this experience, I'm sure many of

656
00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:18.360
<v Speaker 2>the women have had this experience. And you get a

657
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:20.960
<v Speaker 2>blister in your heel right or your toe or something, right,

658
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:23.559
<v Speaker 2>You've got new shoes on, you're looking really hot, and

659
00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:26.400
<v Speaker 2>you walk around like, ah, what is your brain doing

660
00:34:26.440 --> 00:34:28.840
<v Speaker 2>with every step on my footers on my footers on

661
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:32.719
<v Speaker 2>my first Like your whole brain gets obsessed and gets

662
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:35.079
<v Speaker 2>taken over by this blister in the bottom of your

663
00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:39.039
<v Speaker 2>foot or whatever it is, and you realize, like, this

664
00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:42.440
<v Speaker 2>is not a life threatening situation, This is not this

665
00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:46.880
<v Speaker 2>is actually really insignificant in the bigger like survival level thing,

666
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:49.920
<v Speaker 2>but your body response like it's a major deal. And

667
00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:52.760
<v Speaker 2>I've had so many clients where they've got pain somewhere

668
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:55.840
<v Speaker 2>again in your case, left shoulder or or their foot,

669
00:34:55.840 --> 00:34:57.719
<v Speaker 2>they got maybe a stress fracture in there, one of

670
00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:01.719
<v Speaker 2>the metatarsals or something, and basically their whole body's going,

671
00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:06.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm in pain and I shouldn't move right, like that's

672
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:09.039
<v Speaker 2>just the natural habit of the body. And so much

673
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:13.480
<v Speaker 2>as a psychological is like ouch, stop and that's where

674
00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:16.239
<v Speaker 2>we go. And instead, if I have a client like that,

675
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:18.079
<v Speaker 2>and I really say, look, I understand that that's in

676
00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:20.679
<v Speaker 2>pain and that's the loudest thing in your brain, but

677
00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:22.679
<v Speaker 2>we're going to give your body the experience of moving

678
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:26.079
<v Speaker 2>other parts. You know. It's a distraction for one thing,

679
00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:29.239
<v Speaker 2>which is pretty helpful for pain, and it's also helping

680
00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:32.159
<v Speaker 2>them understand their body isn't broken. They've got things that

681
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:35.039
<v Speaker 2>work fine, and there are ways that they can really

682
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:38.840
<v Speaker 2>focus on something else. And that's also part of recovery,

683
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:41.239
<v Speaker 2>right is understanding, well, what works? You know, what can

684
00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:44.679
<v Speaker 2>I do? And that often just reframing that to what

685
00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:47.239
<v Speaker 2>can I do rather what can't I do? Is helpful

686
00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:50.639
<v Speaker 2>psychologically and physically and in terms of program design.

687
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:54.679
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. And I've told the story before and I'll bring

688
00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:58.320
<v Speaker 1>it up here again. Got a client who is in

689
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:02.559
<v Speaker 1>pain all the time, but if she has a hangnail,

690
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:04.800
<v Speaker 1>it's the end of the world. She's on a ten,

691
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:08.400
<v Speaker 1>no matter when, no matter what happens, she's on a ten.

692
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:13.320
<v Speaker 1>And I have her do a simple exercise and everything hurts.

693
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:15.320
<v Speaker 1>I can barely move my leg I can, and I'll

694
00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:17.400
<v Speaker 1>have her march and she'll start telling me a story.

695
00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:20.440
<v Speaker 1>And she's just talking a way and she's marching. No problem.

696
00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:23.639
<v Speaker 1>I didn't ask her how it feels. If I ask

697
00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:26.599
<v Speaker 1>her how it feels, oh, killing me, it's killing me.

698
00:36:26.679 --> 00:36:32.039
<v Speaker 1>It's killing me. But as long as she's talking, I'm thinking, Okay,

699
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:34.960
<v Speaker 1>how bad could it be killing you? If you're maintaining

700
00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:37.840
<v Speaker 1>a normal voice, you don't sound stressed in your voice,

701
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:41.599
<v Speaker 1>your eyes aren't showing me signs of fear and tension

702
00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:47.079
<v Speaker 1>and pain, then you're probably doing okay. And so sometimes

703
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:49.480
<v Speaker 1>you're right. It is all about distraction. It's just getting

704
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:52.119
<v Speaker 1>them to move and say, oh, this is gonna be fine.

705
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:54.440
<v Speaker 1>This has nothing to do with that part, you know

706
00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:57.639
<v Speaker 1>what I mean. I'll say something like that, and I'll say, oh, okay,

707
00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:00.159
<v Speaker 1>it might is it part of the core. Yes, they

708
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:03.000
<v Speaker 1>might have a back thing. Okay, but I'll just say, nah,

709
00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:07.440
<v Speaker 1>this is you could do this something else you're and

710
00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:09.519
<v Speaker 1>they'll be like, oh okay, and then they'll do it

711
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:11.599
<v Speaker 1>with no problem. But if you but if you come

712
00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:14.960
<v Speaker 1>at it with now, we're gonna try this careful, see

713
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:19.679
<v Speaker 1>how this is. Yes, we can create pain. I mean,

714
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:25.480
<v Speaker 1>for me, my thing with my toe, I wouldn't look.

715
00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:28.639
<v Speaker 1>He gave me novacaine, he numbed it. I refuse to

716
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:31.760
<v Speaker 1>look because I know how strong the brain is, and

717
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:34.559
<v Speaker 1>I was afraid that I would try and create pain

718
00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:38.320
<v Speaker 1>where that I may not be feeling it. You know,

719
00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:39.639
<v Speaker 1>if you're watching.

720
00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:41.039
<v Speaker 2>It, yes, yes, you.

721
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:45.199
<v Speaker 1>Your body can think, oh my gosh, that's hurting.

722
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:49.239
<v Speaker 2>Is a needle going right right your Yeah, exactly.

723
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:51.920
<v Speaker 1>And for the things that did hurt, like putting the

724
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:54.639
<v Speaker 1>needle in, the novacaine, the anesthesia and that hurt. But

725
00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:56.920
<v Speaker 1>after that it was sort of like no, as long

726
00:37:56.960 --> 00:37:59.000
<v Speaker 1>as I kept my eyes looking somewhere else, I was

727
00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:01.920
<v Speaker 1>totally fine. Often times I like to look because I'm

728
00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:04.400
<v Speaker 1>I like watching that kind of stuff. Here it's me.

729
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:07.800
<v Speaker 1>I was like you know, I know my brain, I

730
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:11.599
<v Speaker 1>know I'm gonna I'm gonna imagine pain. So and as

731
00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:13.719
<v Speaker 1>soon as I took my brain and looked elsewhere, it

732
00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:16.719
<v Speaker 1>wasn't It wasn't that bad. And I've had to do that.

733
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:19.039
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we've all done it with dental You know,

734
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:22.519
<v Speaker 1>we can't watch and you know you're you're gripping the

735
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:25.280
<v Speaker 1>tear tight and you're holding and then they'll say, does

736
00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:28.440
<v Speaker 1>anything hurt. No, then relax your face and your jaw.

737
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, just like Oh, I didn't even realize. I

738
00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:36.000
<v Speaker 1>was like sensing up the whole time. But we can

739
00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:39.000
<v Speaker 1>imagine pain, and we can create that that sometimes just

740
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:43.599
<v Speaker 1>by distracting ourselves by doing something else with the other arm,

741
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:45.800
<v Speaker 1>the other body part, or just getting them to move.

742
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:48.119
<v Speaker 1>Like I say, I did some stretching and mobility work.

743
00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:51.360
<v Speaker 1>I knew it wasn't gonna bother me. I knew it wouldn't,

744
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:54.400
<v Speaker 1>and it didn't. Was I pushing through my foot a

745
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:57.679
<v Speaker 1>little sure, but I just kept whatever hurt, don't do that, Okay,

746
00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:00.760
<v Speaker 1>do this other thing, and we can almost always find

747
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:04.639
<v Speaker 1>something that the body can do. Yeah.

748
00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:08.760
<v Speaker 2>I've had several clients over the years who were really extreme,

749
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:11.840
<v Speaker 2>just clients and extreme pain of whatever kind, and they

750
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:14.639
<v Speaker 2>really genuinely were and you know, there was all the

751
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:18.000
<v Speaker 2>psychological stuff, but it was also just they were not

752
00:39:18.039 --> 00:39:20.039
<v Speaker 2>going to be very comfortable doing a whole lot of things.

753
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:25.280
<v Speaker 2>And so we had a program which was by all accounts,

754
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:28.480
<v Speaker 2>pretty minimal. You wouldn't you know, nobody would say they're

755
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:32.000
<v Speaker 2>getting a good workout out of this particular thing. But

756
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:34.280
<v Speaker 2>it gave them somewhere to come to, It gave them

757
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:38.000
<v Speaker 2>somewhere to go, It gave them some sense of hope,

758
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:40.639
<v Speaker 2>and you know, I mean, I think of one gal particularly.

759
00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:43.079
<v Speaker 2>We would line the trap table and we would do

760
00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:45.599
<v Speaker 2>armwork and we basically do like supine armwork on the

761
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:49.000
<v Speaker 2>trap table with yellow springs or with thera bands or

762
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:53.719
<v Speaker 2>something else, just to get some movement going because any

763
00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:56.039
<v Speaker 2>woman of her spine really just hurt like heck, so

764
00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:58.000
<v Speaker 2>we do a little bit of that. We'd find ways

765
00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:00.280
<v Speaker 2>to do her leg work that involved nothing else else

766
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:03.440
<v Speaker 2>moving and we would just do that. And you know,

767
00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:07.719
<v Speaker 2>it was challenging for me for sure, because there wasn't

768
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:11.199
<v Speaker 2>a lot of progress made, but she was able to

769
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:14.000
<v Speaker 2>maintain the life that she needed. She was able to

770
00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:16.320
<v Speaker 2>do what she needed to do professionally. She was able

771
00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:19.360
<v Speaker 2>to kind of keep going and it was a very

772
00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:23.320
<v Speaker 2>minimal program, but something about just coming in, checking in

773
00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:26.679
<v Speaker 2>with her body as often she came to the clinic,

774
00:40:26.719 --> 00:40:29.800
<v Speaker 2>to the studio, and then being able to move, getting

775
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:33.039
<v Speaker 2>some circulation, getting some awareness was just super helpful. Again,

776
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:35.400
<v Speaker 2>that was like some of the more minimal programs I've

777
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:39.239
<v Speaker 2>ever done, but that was really beneficial for her, you know,

778
00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:40.920
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know that anybody else would have offered

779
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:42.159
<v Speaker 2>that or been able to offer that.

780
00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:47.039
<v Speaker 1>And I bet you had to be very creative in

781
00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:50.039
<v Speaker 1>what you came up with. I find that some of

782
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:54.039
<v Speaker 1>those clients, and I've had a number of them, and yes,

783
00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:56.639
<v Speaker 1>you sort of find out these ten exercises work, and

784
00:40:56.679 --> 00:40:58.760
<v Speaker 1>that's all we're going to do for the next six months,

785
00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:02.280
<v Speaker 1>probably because if I go one step beyond, they're gonna

786
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:04.599
<v Speaker 1>claim that I that I hurt them. So we're gonna

787
00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:07.719
<v Speaker 1>do the same thing for a while. But I will

788
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:11.559
<v Speaker 1>say that sometimes those are the clients that I get

789
00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:15.559
<v Speaker 1>the most creative with because I think, man, all this

790
00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:19.719
<v Speaker 1>other stuff seems to hurt, Let's try this instead. There's

791
00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:21.719
<v Speaker 1>some stuff I've done on the phone roller for shoulder

792
00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:26.239
<v Speaker 1>mobility work, and I'll be thinking, well, we've done it

793
00:41:26.239 --> 00:41:28.719
<v Speaker 1>with a stick before. What if we added a band instead,

794
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:30.880
<v Speaker 1>What if we did this? What if we did that

795
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:34.119
<v Speaker 1>and we tried to have them move just in a

796
00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:37.119
<v Speaker 1>little way, or maybe I pull a little bit on

797
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:39.480
<v Speaker 1>the band and they're just holding it still, basically a

798
00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:42.320
<v Speaker 1>statue type of thing, and they're like, oh, this this

799
00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:44.360
<v Speaker 1>feels okay. We found a path of mote. We found

800
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:46.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, can you move in a circle, can you

801
00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:48.280
<v Speaker 1>can you move up? Can you move down? Can you

802
00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:52.599
<v Speaker 1>do anything? Yeah? Okay, you write that down. Then we

803
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:55.079
<v Speaker 1>investigate next time we do maybe a little bit different.

804
00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:58.159
<v Speaker 1>And I've come up with a lot of great exercises

805
00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:01.679
<v Speaker 1>that I've used on hundreds of people afterward because it

806
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:04.039
<v Speaker 1>worked on them, and I'm thinking, I wonder who else

807
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:06.920
<v Speaker 1>it will work on, and you try it, I'm thinking, Wow,

808
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:10.079
<v Speaker 1>this really works. I've got a frozen shoulder routine that

809
00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:13.199
<v Speaker 1>I work with with people, and when they first start,

810
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:16.559
<v Speaker 1>they're thinking, oh, you know, I'm really limited. But after

811
00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:18.639
<v Speaker 1>six or eight weeks they say, I'm really starting to

812
00:42:18.679 --> 00:42:23.760
<v Speaker 1>see some improvement. It's very very slow, but it's stuff

813
00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:25.679
<v Speaker 1>that I had to sort of come up with because

814
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:28.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking everything's hurting. We got to try something.

815
00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:29.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

816
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:33.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And eventually you start finding these things that do work,

817
00:42:33.559 --> 00:42:35.280
<v Speaker 1>and then you try it with someone else. Does it work?

818
00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:37.639
<v Speaker 1>Does it not? May maybe it was a unicorn and

819
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:41.679
<v Speaker 1>you just got lucky. That's possible that happened. But sometimes

820
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:43.559
<v Speaker 1>lucky in the other way, and you're like, oh, wow,

821
00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:46.960
<v Speaker 1>this really does seem to work. I found a pattern

822
00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:49.840
<v Speaker 1>that does work. So it makes you very creative.

823
00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:54.079
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, I mean that's I think why. Well, I know,

824
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:55.719
<v Speaker 2>for me, that's a lot of why I work with

825
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:58.159
<v Speaker 2>the clients I work with and worked with all. You know,

826
00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:00.840
<v Speaker 2>it was in the circumstances I was in. Because it's

827
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:03.280
<v Speaker 2>much more interesting for me to have to do problem

828
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:07.079
<v Speaker 2>solving uh in every session than to do the same

829
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:09.440
<v Speaker 2>old routine I've done, you know, eight hundred thousand times.

830
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:12.440
<v Speaker 2>That's just that's just my particular nature. Yours too. I

831
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:15.119
<v Speaker 2>like to have something new to think on, some some

832
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:17.519
<v Speaker 2>some new food for my brain to go, hmmm, how

833
00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:18.360
<v Speaker 2>does that work?

834
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:24.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Exactly exactly. One other thing I wanted to mention

835
00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:30.480
<v Speaker 1>here because I said it in the intro. What about illness? Right?

836
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:36.639
<v Speaker 1>Because cold and flu season comes around and they get sick.

837
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:40.719
<v Speaker 1>When did they come back? When is it okay? When

838
00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:43.880
<v Speaker 1>should they? When shouldn't they because that's part of recovery

839
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:48.039
<v Speaker 1>as well, they recovered sufficiently, because how many of us

840
00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:50.239
<v Speaker 1>have had that? Well, you're going to charge me. So

841
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:52.079
<v Speaker 1>I came in any way, and they're hacking and they're

842
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:55.159
<v Speaker 1>spreading germs all over the place. It's since COVID, I'll

843
00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:57.679
<v Speaker 1>be honest, it's been a little better since COVID. They're

844
00:43:57.760 --> 00:44:01.320
<v Speaker 1>they're at least respectful. But back then, I'm surprised I

845
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:07.599
<v Speaker 1>wasn't sick all winter because people were always coming in hacking. Oh,

846
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:12.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm not contagious. How do you know exactly exactly?

847
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:13.880
<v Speaker 2>Are you do? Not know?

848
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:16.559
<v Speaker 1>You don't know. You just don't want to you're.

849
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:20.320
<v Speaker 2>A microbiologist, exactly. You just want to save some money.

850
00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:25.719
<v Speaker 1>And that's just it. Nobody wants to be charged by canceling,

851
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:28.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, an hour beforehand because they don't feel well.

852
00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:30.800
<v Speaker 1>And I get that. We all I have a twenty

853
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:34.000
<v Speaker 1>four hour cancelation policy, most of us do. Yeah, But

854
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:37.840
<v Speaker 1>when you know, I've heard I've talked to a number

855
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:39.880
<v Speaker 1>of doctors and I've heard a number of different things.

856
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:42.719
<v Speaker 1>What's your sort of philosophy on this enough mine.

857
00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:49.119
<v Speaker 2>That's so, I mean, honestly, let's see, it's changed a lot.

858
00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:51.320
<v Speaker 2>It changed a lot with COVID, I have to say.

859
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:58.599
<v Speaker 2>And there's really two concerns. So one concern, to your point,

860
00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:01.039
<v Speaker 2>is I want to be a caution the people coming

861
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:02.960
<v Speaker 2>into my studio and spreading a whole lot of germs.

862
00:45:03.239 --> 00:45:03.400
<v Speaker 1>You know.

863
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:05.320
<v Speaker 2>Again, if I've got I have a lot of clients

864
00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:08.559
<v Speaker 2>who are or had not at this I'm not working

865
00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:10.400
<v Speaker 2>with clients at the moment so much, but I had

866
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:13.679
<v Speaker 2>clients who were who are older, who might be immune compromised,

867
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:16.079
<v Speaker 2>like I've got clients who are vulnerable in that sense.

868
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:18.559
<v Speaker 2>So I really and you know, and I don't want

869
00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:21.559
<v Speaker 2>to get sick either, So I'm often pretty cautious just

870
00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:23.800
<v Speaker 2>on that front that I don't necessarily want, you know,

871
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:26.880
<v Speaker 2>rampant germs floating around my studio. There's only so much

872
00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:29.760
<v Speaker 2>that sterilizing your equipment with a spray bottle is going

873
00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:32.559
<v Speaker 2>to do, you know, if somebody's coming in with something yucky.

874
00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:36.679
<v Speaker 2>So there's that. Then this the second thing is, I know,

875
00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:42.320
<v Speaker 2>for me, there are some situations and I you know,

876
00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:45.559
<v Speaker 2>can kind of tell where I can move just fine.

877
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Like I get allergies a lot of times in the spring,

878
00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:50.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, allergy Like I like I'm running, my nose

879
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:53.199
<v Speaker 2>is running, I may be coughing, I may be sneezing,

880
00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:56.679
<v Speaker 2>but I know it's allergies. Like my energy is basically fine.

881
00:45:56.719 --> 00:45:59.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm just full of snot right, and that's like, that's

882
00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:02.800
<v Speaker 2>not contagious. It's and my energy is pretty much fine

883
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:05.159
<v Speaker 2>and I can do pretty much everything. I don't have

884
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:07.840
<v Speaker 2>a fever of that kind of thing. Then having something

885
00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:11.519
<v Speaker 2>more like a flu, either a stomach well to two

886
00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:14.639
<v Speaker 2>different examples. One is just like a fever, kind of

887
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:17.440
<v Speaker 2>a fever kind of flu, maybe a lot of long stuff,

888
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:22.320
<v Speaker 2>those things that you really feel like you're like you're

889
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:25.239
<v Speaker 2>going to bed, Like I'm going to bed. I have

890
00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:27.119
<v Speaker 2>this thing and I am not moving. I want to

891
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:28.760
<v Speaker 2>stay on the couch. I want to read my book

892
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:31.239
<v Speaker 2>and I want to sleep. That's a different kind of

893
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:34.880
<v Speaker 2>illness for me. Yeah, And when I get those ones

894
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:38.239
<v Speaker 2>a lot of times, I would like, I don't necessarily

895
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:39.880
<v Speaker 2>want to be the first thing a client does in

896
00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:44.360
<v Speaker 2>terms of physical activity. So I think my suggestion is often, well,

897
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:45.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, if you feel like you can pretty much

898
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:48.880
<v Speaker 2>stay up all day, do your ordinary things around the

899
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:52.199
<v Speaker 2>house anyway, or go back to work, then you're fine

900
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:55.039
<v Speaker 2>to come in. You know, if you're like, if you're

901
00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:57.480
<v Speaker 2>like dragging out of bed, getting in the car, coming

902
00:46:57.480 --> 00:46:58.679
<v Speaker 2>to see if you're going to go back to bed

903
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:02.079
<v Speaker 2>when you're home, probably you shouldn't see me like that.

904
00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:04.199
<v Speaker 2>For me, seems like that's a good day to stand

905
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:07.519
<v Speaker 2>bed and and you know, so that would be kind

906
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:09.880
<v Speaker 2>of my take there. It was something like a stomach flu.

907
00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:11.639
<v Speaker 2>A lot of times there's just a lot of weakness

908
00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:14.559
<v Speaker 2>that comes from that, and you know, so for that,

909
00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:16.000
<v Speaker 2>it's like, well, as long as you don't feel like

910
00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:19.639
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna throw up on me, I'm pretty good with

911
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:21.760
<v Speaker 2>having you come in and we can start to work

912
00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:23.800
<v Speaker 2>and you know, and deal with stuff. So those are

913
00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:25.760
<v Speaker 2>kind of three rough things. What have you got? I've

914
00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:27.800
<v Speaker 2>probably got more, but those are three rough things.

915
00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:32.519
<v Speaker 1>They you're right, they have changed since COVID, And like you,

916
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:36.519
<v Speaker 1>I do have a number of immune compromised clients and

917
00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:40.000
<v Speaker 1>during COVID we really had to be very aware of

918
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:43.559
<v Speaker 1>who was in our studio and someone would come in,

919
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:46.719
<v Speaker 1>and luckily we have multiple rooms, so if someone did

920
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:49.800
<v Speaker 1>come in and did have you know something going on,

921
00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:51.360
<v Speaker 1>I could put on a mask and take them in

922
00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:53.920
<v Speaker 1>the other room and then sterilize the daylights out of

923
00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:57.559
<v Speaker 1>that if I did know someone was immune compromised. And yeah,

924
00:47:57.599 --> 00:48:00.119
<v Speaker 1>I also have a rule that look, if I and

925
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:04.079
<v Speaker 1>you home, that's the rule. You're not fit. I can

926
00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:07.400
<v Speaker 1>see you are not well. You have to leave now.

927
00:48:08.199 --> 00:48:10.119
<v Speaker 1>And I say, I'm not letting you get everybody in

928
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:10.679
<v Speaker 1>here sick.

929
00:48:11.559 --> 00:48:13.960
<v Speaker 2>Do you charge them?

930
00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:16.960
<v Speaker 1>That depends on the client. Okay, I'll be the first

931
00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:19.400
<v Speaker 1>to say. And I say that because we all have

932
00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:24.639
<v Speaker 1>the person who is like, I don't know if I

933
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:27.119
<v Speaker 1>can come in today. I'm not. I just I don't know.

934
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:30.639
<v Speaker 1>So we know those who are like that. We also

935
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:35.599
<v Speaker 1>know those who never cancel. Yeah, always show up, never

936
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:37.280
<v Speaker 1>and they call you in the morning and say, you

937
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:38.920
<v Speaker 1>know what, I woke up and I've got this SYNC.

938
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:41.280
<v Speaker 1>Don't worry about it. I got you exactly.

939
00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:44.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Because yeah, So the discretion

940
00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:46.840
<v Speaker 2>of this, of the of you, of the owner, right

941
00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:49.559
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. Like those who you know never cancel unless

942
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:51.960
<v Speaker 2>like they're dying or their car broke down or something.

943
00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:54.400
<v Speaker 2>It's like, okay, fine, that's I'll give you a pass

944
00:48:54.440 --> 00:48:56.920
<v Speaker 2>on that and then there's notes are like, oh, oh

945
00:48:57.000 --> 00:48:59.119
<v Speaker 2>you know my hairdresser changed to appointment. I did have

946
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:01.440
<v Speaker 2>this happening in the day. Oh yeah, so so I

947
00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:03.679
<v Speaker 2>need to cancel. And this was like two hours before

948
00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:06.199
<v Speaker 2>their appointment. And I'm like, okay, I'm charging you for.

949
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:10.480
<v Speaker 1>That one, no question, Yeah, that has no excuse. Yeah,

950
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:13.880
<v Speaker 1>yeah exactly. And when it comes to I've talked to

951
00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:18.000
<v Speaker 1>number of physicians and I've gotten a consensus with this.

952
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:22.119
<v Speaker 1>So I've talked to a number of them. If it's

953
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:25.119
<v Speaker 1>the flu, you really want to make sure that they

954
00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:28.519
<v Speaker 1>have completely recovered, that they no longer have a fever,

955
00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:32.360
<v Speaker 1>that their energy level is like eighty five to ninety

956
00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:36.519
<v Speaker 1>percent back, because if it's only like sixty percent back,

957
00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:39.880
<v Speaker 1>but they have no fever and they're feeling they can

958
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:42.039
<v Speaker 1>sit down at home, do a little paperwork and I

959
00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:44.119
<v Speaker 1>feel fine. But they go to walk to the mailbox

960
00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:47.519
<v Speaker 1>and back and whoa, I can barely you know, I'm

961
00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:52.119
<v Speaker 1>not one hundred. I'm not there yet. Okay, maybe yeah yet.

962
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:55.320
<v Speaker 1>So wait until like eighty eighty five percent and then

963
00:49:56.559 --> 00:49:58.719
<v Speaker 1>they're fine as long as they don't have you know,

964
00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:02.639
<v Speaker 1>a fever or whatnot or not showing simple that's for

965
00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:06.679
<v Speaker 1>something like the flu. When it comes to a cold,

966
00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:09.639
<v Speaker 1>if you feel it starting, if you feel it coming on.

967
00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:12.880
<v Speaker 1>So let's talk like a bell curve. The first like

968
00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:16.280
<v Speaker 1>two thirds of a bell curve, the ramp up, the peak,

969
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:18.880
<v Speaker 1>and at the when it's starting to come back down,

970
00:50:19.880 --> 00:50:22.599
<v Speaker 1>that's when you stay home. You do not want to

971
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:25.159
<v Speaker 1>be in the studio, because I've heard that that is

972
00:50:25.480 --> 00:50:29.239
<v Speaker 1>technically when you're most contagious is at the beginning, when

973
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:32.519
<v Speaker 1>you still have that lingering something like a lingering cough.

974
00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:34.760
<v Speaker 1>You feel one hundred percent you're going to work, but

975
00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:37.719
<v Speaker 1>you got a lingering cough. And we have some older clients,

976
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:40.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you do. I have one. It's been three years.

977
00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:44.719
<v Speaker 1>The cough has not gone away. She's seen yeah, imagine,

978
00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:47.480
<v Speaker 1>and of course someone hears them cough and now, because

979
00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:49.599
<v Speaker 1>you know we experience COVID, they're like, oh my gosh,

980
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:51.480
<v Speaker 1>they're sick. And I'm thinking, no, no, no, trust me,

981
00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:54.559
<v Speaker 1>they've been coughing for three years. It's fine, right, no.

982
00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:57.519
<v Speaker 2>Normal, just just their lungs are just not happy. It's

983
00:50:57.559 --> 00:50:58.280
<v Speaker 2>just how it is.

984
00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're irritated. It's just the way it's going to

985
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:03.639
<v Speaker 1>be for this person. So some people do have their

986
00:51:03.679 --> 00:51:06.280
<v Speaker 1>clear they're clearing their throat, they have allergies, they have

987
00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:09.559
<v Speaker 1>something like that, but they feel fine for that. I say, Okay,

988
00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:13.440
<v Speaker 1>you're good, you're good. But sometimes you can tell by

989
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:17.960
<v Speaker 1>looking at someone in their eyes they're just not looking

990
00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:22.199
<v Speaker 1>right and their energy is completely changed. I mean, your

991
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:25.559
<v Speaker 1>energy and my energy. Even with allergies, it's still similar.

992
00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:28.559
<v Speaker 1>We don't feel great, you know, we're still working in

993
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:28.960
<v Speaker 1>a little bit.

994
00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:31.480
<v Speaker 2>People people would generally know except that my eyes, my

995
00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:34.679
<v Speaker 2>eyes eyes are red and my nose is running like this.

996
00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:35.639
<v Speaker 2>But otherwise I'm.

997
00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:39.880
<v Speaker 1>Good, exactly you say, And it's not a big deal.

998
00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:46.760
<v Speaker 1>But when you can see their white ashion, they're they're

999
00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:51.679
<v Speaker 1>just not looking healthy, like you know what, you need

1000
00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:55.519
<v Speaker 1>to go home now and it's time. And a lot

1001
00:51:55.519 --> 00:51:58.559
<v Speaker 1>of times I've had some clients say, okay, you're right,

1002
00:51:58.880 --> 00:51:59.880
<v Speaker 1>and they know.

1003
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:04.000
<v Speaker 2>They thank you for telling me, yeah, because I kind

1004
00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:06.599
<v Speaker 2>of needed somebody to give me permission in a way

1005
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:07.920
<v Speaker 2>to just say, oh that I don't feel good.

1006
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:11.679
<v Speaker 1>I'm going exactly. I don't know about you. I grew up.

1007
00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:16.280
<v Speaker 1>I was the kid who cried wolf at school. I

1008
00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:19.960
<v Speaker 1>was bored. School, bored the heck out of me. You know,

1009
00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:23.159
<v Speaker 1>I would finish the book and be thinking, Okay, now

1010
00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:24.880
<v Speaker 1>we've got to still talk about this for the next

1011
00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:26.880
<v Speaker 1>two weeks. So I would literally be bored on my

1012
00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:29.599
<v Speaker 1>rear end. So if I wanted to go home. My

1013
00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:33.119
<v Speaker 1>big thing. Now, when you do this, when you're in

1014
00:52:33.159 --> 00:52:36.480
<v Speaker 1>second and third and fourth grade, your parents catch up

1015
00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:41.360
<v Speaker 1>catch on to this pretty quickly, and from then on

1016
00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:44.280
<v Speaker 1>I was never allowed to stay home. I was practically

1017
00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:47.719
<v Speaker 1>dying before they'd stay home. So my brain, literally to

1018
00:52:47.880 --> 00:52:51.880
<v Speaker 1>this day is don't be a faker. Go and I

1019
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:55.480
<v Speaker 1>have Sometimes I'll ask my wife and I'll say I think,

1020
00:52:55.719 --> 00:52:58.239
<v Speaker 1>and she goes, no, you're staying home, and she says

1021
00:52:58.239 --> 00:53:02.719
<v Speaker 1>that I'm You're right because my brain don't fake it.

1022
00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:06.440
<v Speaker 1>You know you can do it. And I'm sure there

1023
00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:08.480
<v Speaker 1>are times when you know, when you're a kid, you

1024
00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:10.119
<v Speaker 1>just don't want to go to school, but there's other

1025
00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:12.840
<v Speaker 1>times when you could have easily and you just didn't

1026
00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:14.920
<v Speaker 1>want to do that test or whatever. But I think

1027
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:17.239
<v Speaker 1>that gets programmed in our brain that we don't want

1028
00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:19.320
<v Speaker 1>to whimp out. We don't want to you know, not

1029
00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:21.559
<v Speaker 1>be there, or the boss is going to get mad,

1030
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:25.159
<v Speaker 1>whatever it is, and so you end up going when

1031
00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:26.679
<v Speaker 1>you probably shouldn't.

1032
00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:31.119
<v Speaker 2>This is getting to a little We've talked around this

1033
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:32.719
<v Speaker 2>a little bit, but I just want to bring it

1034
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<v Speaker 2>up as it's kind of a last little bit here.

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<v Speaker 2>So I spend a lot of time around little kids lately,

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<v Speaker 2>just because I have a whole bunch of great newss

1037
00:53:41.159 --> 00:53:43.559
<v Speaker 2>and nephews of all different ages, and it's just so

1038
00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:49.800
<v Speaker 2>interesting to watch their relationship to discomfort or injury. And

1039
00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:52.719
<v Speaker 2>I think this just completely plays into all this stuff

1040
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<v Speaker 2>because I think of this one as one child that

1041
00:53:55.400 --> 00:53:58.320
<v Speaker 2>I think of particularly who you would watch or fall

1042
00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:03.119
<v Speaker 2>down and then she would look at her parents for

1043
00:54:03.199 --> 00:54:06.599
<v Speaker 2>their reaction, and if she got a reaction, then she'd

1044
00:54:06.599 --> 00:54:09.559
<v Speaker 2>start crying. Like it was that obvious, right, It was

1045
00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:12.320
<v Speaker 2>like she and if the parent wan, oh, you're like, oh,

1046
00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:15.400
<v Speaker 2>the hole. Like if the parent reacted and they got

1047
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:18.519
<v Speaker 2>the response from the parent, then they're like, you literally

1048
00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:21.719
<v Speaker 2>saw them go oh, now I should cry. It was

1049
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<v Speaker 2>just like, Okay, that's really obvious. It was funny how

1050
00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:26.960
<v Speaker 2>obvious that was. And those are often you know, we

1051
00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:29.639
<v Speaker 2>see kind of a mature version of that same thing

1052
00:54:29.679 --> 00:54:31.760
<v Speaker 2>in some of our clients in terms of pain. That's

1053
00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:33.639
<v Speaker 2>just a little funny moment there, and then I have

1054
00:54:33.800 --> 00:54:37.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, a couple of other kids like are completely

1055
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:41.400
<v Speaker 2>opposite they are so you know, like they fall down,

1056
00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:44.639
<v Speaker 2>they rather seriously fall down, fall off their bike as

1057
00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:46.559
<v Speaker 2>a you know, four year old and kind of scrape

1058
00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:49.360
<v Speaker 2>their knee and you know, bonk their elbow and and

1059
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<v Speaker 2>and they kind of look at their parents. Their parents

1060
00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:54.840
<v Speaker 2>just looks at them like, how are you okay? They like,

1061
00:54:55.400 --> 00:54:58.679
<v Speaker 2>and you see them kind of checking it out, Yeah okay,

1062
00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:02.679
<v Speaker 2>and then they go on. Right, So we learned that

1063
00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:06.199
<v Speaker 2>we learned that behavior so early, you know, and how

1064
00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:08.239
<v Speaker 2>the response how people respond to us when we're in

1065
00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:11.960
<v Speaker 2>pain really creates a lot of that stoicness versus like

1066
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<v Speaker 2>like oh if I just cry, I can get out

1067
00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:17.960
<v Speaker 2>of this, right. So I think that that plays into

1068
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<v Speaker 2>all of this recovery bit as well as that part

1069
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<v Speaker 2>of the psychology.

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<v Speaker 1>Funny story. I don't know where I learned this from

1071
00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:29.079
<v Speaker 1>or if I just thought of this, but I taught

1072
00:55:29.079 --> 00:55:33.559
<v Speaker 1>my kids to DA. So every time they fell, they

1073
00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:36.360
<v Speaker 1>would look at me, and I'd go toda, and I

1074
00:55:36.519 --> 00:55:39.119
<v Speaker 1>kid you not. After you do that a few times

1075
00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:41.719
<v Speaker 1>they would fall down, hop up and go to DA

1076
00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:44.159
<v Speaker 1>and then go about their business. They thought that that right,

1077
00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:47.039
<v Speaker 1>did They'd like let it go, yes, and it just

1078
00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:49.079
<v Speaker 1>they kept going. They'd be in the park and other

1079
00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:52.039
<v Speaker 1>parents would say what did he just do? I say,

1080
00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:55.559
<v Speaker 1>he said today, and you could see they thought, how'd

1081
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<v Speaker 1>you train that? Asad? I just they want to reward

1082
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:02.760
<v Speaker 1>them for crying, and in that sense, and maybe it's

1083
00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:04.599
<v Speaker 1>the gen X in me, it's like, oh, tough enough,

1084
00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:07.280
<v Speaker 1>but you know, it was that part of me that's like,

1085
00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:11.519
<v Speaker 1>you stumbled, Are you hurt if you don't cry immediately?

1086
00:56:11.639 --> 00:56:14.079
<v Speaker 1>And you look at me like are you So it's

1087
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:18.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of like right, just see and it worked. And

1088
00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:20.519
<v Speaker 1>for the most part of my kids to this day,

1089
00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:22.880
<v Speaker 1>it's sort of like they're pretty stoic when it comes

1090
00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:24.920
<v Speaker 1>to certain things and sometimes I have to really poke

1091
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:28.360
<v Speaker 1>at them and say are you sure, and they say, well, yeah,

1092
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:30.920
<v Speaker 1>I kind of it does really hurt, and thinking, yeah,

1093
00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:32.679
<v Speaker 1>that's that's something we got to take a look at.

1094
00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:35.039
<v Speaker 1>So it can go the other way. But you're right,

1095
00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:37.679
<v Speaker 1>there are clients who sort of do this with pain

1096
00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:42.840
<v Speaker 1>to get attention, absolutely, and there's that negative attention as

1097
00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:45.679
<v Speaker 1>well as positive, and we have to respond with that

1098
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:48.599
<v Speaker 1>as well and make sure that they that we give

1099
00:56:48.679 --> 00:56:51.920
<v Speaker 1>them the appropriate amount that they need, but don't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>reward them for you know, constantly coming in every single

1101
00:56:57.079 --> 00:57:00.599
<v Speaker 1>time being in pain. You can reward them with great

1102
00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:03.480
<v Speaker 1>conversation and here we're going to get stronger and give them,

1103
00:57:03.719 --> 00:57:06.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, reward basis on that. And don't you feel great?

1104
00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:08.880
<v Speaker 1>Look at this, You've never done this weight before, You've

1105
00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:11.079
<v Speaker 1>never lifted this much, you've never done those many reps.

1106
00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:14.559
<v Speaker 1>Your form was spectacular. Look at this, You're able to

1107
00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:17.960
<v Speaker 1>do this and you haven't ever done it before. That reward,

1108
00:57:18.519 --> 00:57:21.639
<v Speaker 1>hopefully can bolster them just as much as getting the

1109
00:57:21.679 --> 00:57:24.079
<v Speaker 1>attention of you know, some poet.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so sorry, Oh my gosh, I'm so exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so there's a lot of practical stuff in there,

1113
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<v Speaker 2>so hopefully you guys got something out of that in

1114
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<v Speaker 2>terms of creating a moderate program, responding purplet to your clients,

1115
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<v Speaker 2>staying optimistic about what's possible, working the body parts that

1116
00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:46.639
<v Speaker 2>aren't injured. Yeah, there's a lot of pieces in there

1117
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<v Speaker 2>in terms of just helping people recover. A lot of

1118
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<v Speaker 2>good good case studies too, I think from both of us,

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<v Speaker 2>So hopefully you guys can have some better results with

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<v Speaker 2>your clients who are in recovery from something and hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>that'll help you out out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think I think there's a lot in there.

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<v Speaker 1>y'll next week.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi guys,