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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's new radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Ray, the big Kahuna run here. He has the

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<v Speaker 2>holidays off. You know, all the big names, Dude, Gary

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<v Speaker 2>Tangle here and it's always great to fill in for Dad.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be hanging out with you all week long. Still

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<v Speaker 2>the come of the show. Chris pappas the pride of

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<v Speaker 2>Algonquin High School. He's a big shot of Hollywood man.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a producer and a writer on Gemstones. And we

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<v Speaker 2>continue our series of talking to Boston people who have

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<v Speaker 2>gone to LA and done well. It's amazing. It's amazing

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<v Speaker 2>how many people from Massachusetts and New England, Boston that are

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<v Speaker 2>in show business in LA. It's kind of crazy. And

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<v Speaker 2>I've been on movie set since before and playing various

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<v Speaker 2>roles and somebody will say, oh, you know, they're based

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<v Speaker 2>in Santa Monica and they'll be the first ad or

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<v Speaker 2>one of the camera guys and they're all from Boston

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<v Speaker 2>and they all went West. I mean Ray Donovan, which

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<v Speaker 2>was one of my favorite shows. It's true, folks, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of Bostonians out there and Chris is one of

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<v Speaker 2>them and he's done really well. Ran a bunch of movies,

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<v Speaker 2>produce a bunch of movies and some stuff. But I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Sandler and working on the Gemstones with Danny McBride, And

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<v Speaker 2>what I'd like to do is talk to people who

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<v Speaker 2>have done well in show business who are local, Like

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<v Speaker 2>talk to my guys Donning Wahlberg the other day, try

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<v Speaker 2>to get him on this week and talk about their

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<v Speaker 2>career path. Michael Maddley joined us from Nashville, New Hampshire.

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<v Speaker 2>We all know the MIC has done really well in

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<v Speaker 2>this area, so that's what we're going to be talking

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<v Speaker 2>about here coming up at ten o'clock. And Alan Lickman

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<v Speaker 2>joins us right now, the professor of history from American University. Alan,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so happy you're with us. Thank you for coming on.

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<v Speaker 3>This my great pleasure. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a couple of things I want to talk to

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<v Speaker 2>you about. And I do want to get into the

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<v Speaker 2>presidential predictions because you're certainly known for that coming up.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was I was thinking, you know, about the

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<v Speaker 2>whole presidential thing, and you know, people talk about Kamala Harris,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't really need to get into whether you

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<v Speaker 2>vote for Trump or Harris or you know, that's your

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<v Speaker 2>business whatever. But like like everybody thinks, like Harris, she's

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<v Speaker 2>got a terrible track record in the eyes of her,

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<v Speaker 2>in the eyes of some okay, but like she could

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<v Speaker 2>still go on to become a great president. And like,

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<v Speaker 2>how many times has somebody gone on to be a

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<v Speaker 2>great president Alan that we thought was gonna stink? It

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<v Speaker 2>happens more than we think, doesn't.

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<v Speaker 3>It happens all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the most lightly regarded candidates was Ronald Reagan.

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<v Speaker 3>People said, oh my god, he's way too radical, way

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<v Speaker 3>too extreme to be even elected president, much less to

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<v Speaker 3>be a good president. And of course Ronald Reagan today

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<v Speaker 3>is regarded as the iconic Republican president. Harry Truman was

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<v Speaker 3>very lightly regarded in his own time. In fact, every

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<v Speaker 3>single election poll bar Nunn said he would not win

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<v Speaker 3>election on his own in nineteen forty eight, he went

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<v Speaker 3>on to win, not by a hair but by about

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<v Speaker 3>five points. He brought in a Democratic Congress, and today

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<v Speaker 3>is regarded not as a great president, but one of

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<v Speaker 3>the near great presidents.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, my dad always talked about Harry Truman because he's

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<v Speaker 2>my dad. Fought in World War Two. Well, he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>fight in World War two, I need to be careful.

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<v Speaker 2>He was, he was he was state side due to

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<v Speaker 2>a medical issue. But he worked in a hospital state side,

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<v Speaker 2>and he had he had there's a he was a liability,

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<v Speaker 2>so they wouldn't send him overseas. But he talked about Truman.

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<v Speaker 2>Give him hell, Harry and the whole thing. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>do we beat Truman? Remember was that the Chicago Trump

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<v Speaker 2>New York Times, Chicago, I can't remember which paper.

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<v Speaker 3>It was, Congo Daily.

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<v Speaker 2>Chicago News. You know, do we beat Truman?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>And everybody and by the way, yeah, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>They pulled forty leading pundits in nineteen forty eight, and

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<v Speaker 3>you know how many thought Truman would win.

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<v Speaker 2>Zero, right, right right, And so he wins, and then

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<v Speaker 2>of course the bomb on Horosima and he goes down

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<v Speaker 2>in history. Is one of the toughest presidents or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like Eisenhower. Is Eisenhower considered a great.

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<v Speaker 3>President, Well, no, but he's considered a near great president.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. Theodore Roosevelt was also not considered a great,

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<v Speaker 3>but a near great president, complained, imagine this, I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>have a great war or great national security threat to.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, right, isn't even right? Yes, I mean he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have that big issue. That's the thing with Ike. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean everybody remembers Ike from d Day, of course, But

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<v Speaker 2>like the fifties, everything was great. People came home from

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<v Speaker 2>the war. The economy was going great. Like my parents,

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<v Speaker 2>they were able to buy a house, people had a

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<v Speaker 2>ca more factories were booming, America's economy was growing great.

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<v Speaker 2>There really wasn't anything for Ike to do, was there.

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<v Speaker 3>Well? You know, Ike, because he was a social right

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<v Speaker 3>really understood the horrors of war. And I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the best thing that came out of the Eisenhower years

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<v Speaker 3>was he avoided foolish wars, including avoiding the pressure to

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<v Speaker 3>intervene militarily on the side of the French, the French

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<v Speaker 3>colonialists in Vietnam. He diffused the conflict between Egypt on

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<v Speaker 3>other hand without getting America involved. And he was a

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<v Speaker 3>moderate president, you know, who kind of bridged the gap

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<v Speaker 3>between New Deal Democrats and the Joseph McCarthy wing of

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<v Speaker 2>Alan Nickman is our guest professor of history at American University.

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<v Speaker 2>You've used the term near great and great. So what

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<v Speaker 2>is a near great president and what is a great president?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, a great president is a president, as I've said,

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<v Speaker 3>who's led us through enormous challenges. And the great presidents

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<v Speaker 3>pretty much authorities agreed. There were three of them. George Washington,

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<v Speaker 3>who led us through the crisis of the founding of

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<v Speaker 3>the Republic when it was by no means secure that

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<v Speaker 3>the Republic would survive. Abraham Lincoln, who led us through

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<v Speaker 3>the Civil War, And Franklin Roosevelt, who led us through

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<v Speaker 3>the Great Depression and World War Two?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Was Roosevelt before Roosevelt was elected? I mean, and

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<v Speaker 2>that was before term limits.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, Yes, term limits did not come in until the

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So he served four terms. I believe was Roosevelt.

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<v Speaker 3>First president to serve more than two.

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<v Speaker 2>Served more than two? Well, I mean, was he considered,

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<v Speaker 2>was he anticipated to be a great leader?

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<v Speaker 3>Not necessarily? You know, there are a lot of doubts

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<v Speaker 3>about him, because of course he had suffered about with polio. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>in those days they called him a cripple. It was

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<v Speaker 3>very different. You know, there was a lot of stigma attached,

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<v Speaker 3>and there were those who were worried that he had

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<v Speaker 3>the stamina and the good health to be a great president.

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<v Speaker 3>And he fooled them all but completely.

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<v Speaker 2>How big of a role did his wife play in

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<v Speaker 2>all of this, because I don't know if it's fact

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<v Speaker 2>or myth that during his fourth term I've heard stories

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe she was running the country or that I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>is that hyperbole? Set me straight?

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<v Speaker 3>That's hyperbole. That was more applicable to Woodrow Wilson after

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<v Speaker 3>his strokes. And Franklin Roosevelt barely served, you know, just

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<v Speaker 3>a few months of his fourth term. He died in April,

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<v Speaker 3>right nineteen forty five.

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<v Speaker 2>Fourth and give him how Harry came in, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 3>When Harry came in, served almost an tire full term right.

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<v Speaker 2>Right here in Massachusetts. Obviously, I mean, everybody is very

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<v Speaker 2>you know Kennedy country, if you will, now, I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to ask you about John F. Kennedy. Obviously we all

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<v Speaker 2>know the tragedy involved there. He was not considered the

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<v Speaker 2>star of the family. His older brother was who was

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<v Speaker 2>killed in the wild Kennedy, Yes, Joe ed So his

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<v Speaker 2>older brother was being groomed to be president. And as

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<v Speaker 2>I remember with John and as I've read, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he was kind of like like to have a good time,

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<v Speaker 2>which you know, rumors say that he did in the

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<v Speaker 2>oval office, but when he was president, but he liked

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<v Speaker 2>to have a good time. Maybe he was the party guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe he wasn't as serious as his older brother. How

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<v Speaker 2>did he do when yeah, he was here, was alive,

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<v Speaker 2>how did he do?

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<v Speaker 3>You know? He was lightly regarded as a senator, right,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, he wasn't a great senator, unlike later his

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<v Speaker 3>brother Ted Kennedy of course that became president, but was

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<v Speaker 3>a great senator. He was pretty lightly regarded, but he

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<v Speaker 3>rose to the occasion. As President of the United States,

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<v Speaker 3>he steered us through one of the most perilous crises

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<v Speaker 3>that easily easily could have led to nuclear war, but

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<v Speaker 3>for Kennedy's leadership. That also changed his outlook to the world,

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<v Speaker 3>which he announced at my university in his famous commencement

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<v Speaker 3>speech at American University that led directly to the most

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<v Speaker 3>important treaty in the history of the world, the nuclear

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<v Speaker 3>test span treaty that stopped us from poisoning our oceans,

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<v Speaker 3>our atmosphere, and our soil. And by the way, my

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<v Speaker 3>kylis Borack, was a member of the Soviet delegation that

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<v Speaker 3>came to Washington back then and negotiated the treaty.

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<v Speaker 2>I do want to get to that because I was

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<v Speaker 2>I was reading up on your methodology. I saw that

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<v Speaker 2>which was very, very very interesting. We've got I've got

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<v Speaker 2>some more presidents, and if I don't mention a particular president,

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<v Speaker 2>please bring it up and we will get to the

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<v Speaker 2>topic of Trump and Kamala. Vice President Harrison.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have a prediction yet. I just want to

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<v Speaker 3>warn you. I think I mentioned that in my email.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fine, I can't I can't get you. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to shoot from the hip. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god. I've been doing this for forty years,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know my hip is Christine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, Alan, But I do want to ask you

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<v Speaker 2>about the and we'll go over the thirteen questions that

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<v Speaker 2>I read too and your methodology with that. I do

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<v Speaker 2>want to get into that, but I want to continue

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation about presidents who we didn't expect a lot

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<v Speaker 2>from and they came through. Alan Lickman is our guest

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan ray Live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Gary tag Away for Dan Raig tonight here on WBZ

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<v Speaker 2>Alan Lickman, our guest professor of history from American University,

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<v Speaker 2>talking about presidents and those who have exceeded expectations. We

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<v Speaker 2>will also get into his methodology in the success he's

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<v Speaker 2>had in predicting the president's or winners the last ten

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<v Speaker 2>goal rounds. I want to get back to Reagan for

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<v Speaker 2>a minute because it's so interesting when you mentioned Ronald

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<v Speaker 2>Reagan and how he's considered to be the great Republican

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<v Speaker 2>right right now. I mean, if Reagan was running today,

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<v Speaker 3>He'd be outside the current MAGA mainstream of the Republican Party. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, they no longer talk about being Reagan Republicans.

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<v Speaker 3>They're now Trump Republicans, which is enough like being a

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<v Speaker 3>his successor, George H. W. Bush. And he avoided social

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<v Speaker 3>Ronald Reagan had some very strong commitments. They were two

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<v Speaker 3>conservative economics, tax cuts and deregulation and people, and they

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<v Speaker 3>a scourge of nuclear weapons. He and Gorbachev came within

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<v Speaker 3>But Reagan did have the extraordinary accomplishment of the Intermediate

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what I always said about Reagan, because as a

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<v Speaker 2>as sort of pro management, there was a time where

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<v Speaker 3>He started out as a Rose Franklin Roosevelt Democrat. Now

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<v Speaker 3>communist opposition in the unions. But he made quite an

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think Reagan was unfairly criticized for his intelligence?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, you know, if you look at his radio broadcast,

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<v Speaker 3>of simpleton who was led by the nose by his staff,

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<v Speaker 3>not at all. I'd like to mention one other surprising president,

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<v Speaker 3>would have thought of. It's Chester Allen, author who was

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<v Speaker 3>the customs in New York, considered a party hacked, corrupt,

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<v Speaker 3>and of course he became president when Garfield was assassinated,

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<v Speaker 3>federal administrations, something that of course Donald Trump has threatened

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<v Speaker 3>to do away with. But you know, it's absolutely opposite

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think it is in that situation that

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's a big part of it. But not

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<v Speaker 3>everyone rises to the occasion. Of course, we've had presidential disasters,

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<v Speaker 3>the worst of which was Andrew Johnson, of course, who

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<v Speaker 3>became president upon the assassination of Abraham Lincoln and everything

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<v Speaker 3>in his power to fraught the integration of the freed

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<v Speaker 3>became the first American president to be impeached.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you feel who do you feel he is the

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<v Speaker 2>worst American president?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he's certainly down on the bottom, you know, with

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<v Speaker 3>James Buchanan, Donald Trump, Franklin Pierce.

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<v Speaker 2>You mentioned Trump. Is there anything good? And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>mean to get political but in his home.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to get political. I'm just giving you

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, but but pretty consistent, pretty consistent with Trump, With.

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<v Speaker 3>Trump, with Johnson, with Buchanan, they're all down towards the bottom.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I brought this name up as a surprise,

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<v Speaker 2>and my wife thought I was nuts. Clinton.

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<v Speaker 3>Clinton, Clinton is a very, very difficult case to analyze.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll come.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, there's not much in the way of huge

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<v Speaker 3>domestic accomplishments like Social Security or the Wagoner Act or

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<v Speaker 3>the Voting Rights Act. And you know, he didn't lead

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<v Speaker 3>us through a major ward and then he got involved stupidly,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, incredibly with Monica Lewinsky Sattle. But on the

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<v Speaker 3>other hand, Clinton did preside over peace, tranquility and one

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<v Speaker 3>of the greatest periods of prosperity in American history, and

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's what I was going to say, right, He

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<v Speaker 2>balanced the budget, which now seems impossible.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh when they're even close, I mean, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we just print more money, that's all. Just

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I wish I had a money machine in

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<v Speaker 2>my base, we just print more money.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Clinton was extremely likable. I mean that was even with

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<v Speaker 2>the I mean the Monica that's I mean, that's just

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<v Speaker 2>a Travis. But I was totally I was told with

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<v Speaker 2>somebody that worked with Clinton he was the consummate politician.

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<v Speaker 2>Is he remembered everybody's name, everybody did, and very appealed.

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<v Speaker 3>I know him, I know him fairly well and very

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<v Speaker 3>appealing personally. But a womanizer? Can I tell you?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, yeah, well hey, let me ask you, and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe putting on your spot, is there some connection between

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<v Speaker 2>political power and the need to be a womanizer?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? Absolutely, you know Henry Kissinger, not exactly. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>A Rock Hudson in his looks said, you know, power

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<v Speaker 3>is the ultimate aphrodisiac. And you know, there is certainly

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<v Speaker 3>seems to be a strong correlation between these men of

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<v Speaker 3>power and they're womanizing, just so much of it. You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe the worst was someone we don't want focus on,

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<v Speaker 3>Warren Harding. I did.

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<v Speaker 2>I Yeah, you got me on that one.

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<v Speaker 3>He was such a womanizer that they had to send

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<v Speaker 3>his mistress on a trip around the world so she

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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't embarrass him. In the nineteen twenty campaign, and then

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<v Speaker 3>he continued an affair with named Britain after he was

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<v Speaker 3>president and fathered her child. My god, she sued him.

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<v Speaker 3>Suit didn't go anywhere, but later evidence proved yes it

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<v Speaker 3>was his child. He actually had a rapid response team

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<v Speaker 3>to deal with his many accusations of womanizing. And we've

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<v Speaker 3>discovered these incredibly schemy, explicit letters between himself and his mistress.

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<v Speaker 3>He even named his member. If that can imagine.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa slow down? I mean, what year was this?

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<v Speaker 3>He was president, He got elected in nineteen twenty and

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<v Speaker 3>died in nineteen twenty three. So this is, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a long time ago, one hundred years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so you got to tell us you can't bury

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<v Speaker 3>I know I'm going to I'm not going to get

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<v Speaker 3>in to that, but I will say, come on, no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>no no. He also said, you know, my marriage is loveless.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I have no interest in my wife. And

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<v Speaker 3>when he died, there was something who thought his wife

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I have where do I go now?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that is just that's got to be a movie.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we got to get a scroll. Yeah, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my word.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, enough of Well, I want.

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<v Speaker 2>To ask you about the case. So what do you

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<v Speaker 2>think about Kennedy and Maryland? I'm sorry, what do you

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<v Speaker 2>think about Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe?

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<v Speaker 3>I can't I can't confirm or deny, but it certainly fits.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's my point is I think. But but we've

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<v Speaker 2>seen it with the reason I asked the question. I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen it in media. Look at the guy that ran Fox, Murdoch,

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<v Speaker 2>not Murdoch, the other guy, Roger Ales. I mean, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he was so common. It's so common, it's unbelievable. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the it's power is the aphrodisiac. You're right, And whether

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<v Speaker 3>Political famous rock star actor.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Martin Luther King, right, I mean, wasn't Martin

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<v Speaker 2>Luther King a womanizer to supposedly apparently?

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<v Speaker 3>So?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, so it's like almost.

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<v Speaker 3>Political ideological lines. Yeah, not unique, although recently, unfortunately, there

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<v Speaker 3>has been one group that has been particularly prone to

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<v Speaker 3>scandal and in the most hypocritical way. And that's evangelical Christians.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get that. I mean, it's so.

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<v Speaker 3>True, it's just amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's that's that that that it's and coming up at

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<v Speaker 2>ten o'clock, my friend who's a writer on the Gemstones

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be joining us. Boy, what a what

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<v Speaker 2>a segue there. I have a couple more questions for

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<v Speaker 3>Can you hang on yeah real fast?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Okay, We're gonna take a break the come back.

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<v Speaker 2>I have some more questions for Alan Lickman and also

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<v Speaker 2>been very good at. It's all coming up next to WBZ.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, talking about President's at exceeded expectations with the presidential

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<v Speaker 2>expert Allen Lookman, professor at American University in Washington, d C.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to ask you Obama was what was what

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<v Speaker 2>was the feeling when he was elected? Because he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>how long was he in Congress? Like a term two?

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<v Speaker 3>He was in the Senate just barely just too yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean year or two came out of nowhere when

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<v Speaker 3>an election, but convey speech that all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 3>took this unknown guy who was a state senator from

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<v Speaker 3>Illinois and elevated him into a national candidate. And that

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<v Speaker 3>was right here in your show, is in PG.

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<v Speaker 2>Is now Heck, no, don't worry about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll give you the names if you want.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, go ahead. Let her rip and.

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<v Speaker 3>Her private part Missus Powderson, Warren Harding's letters.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I don't imagine. No, I can't, I can't.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody knows this but me.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are the types of things you learned when Gary

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<v Speaker 2>Tangway feels in for Dan Ray on Nightside. No, my

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<v Speaker 2>wife was at the convention here in Boston when Obama spoke,

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<v Speaker 2>and she called me right away and she said, I

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<v Speaker 2>just saw the next rock star in the Democratic Party.

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<v Speaker 3>Your wife is very smart. All right, we have limited time.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you telling me to wrap it up?

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<v Speaker 3>All right? Development of the Keys anyway?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's right, you're right, you're right, you're right. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>think this is my guy that does not get enough credit.

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<v Speaker 2>Is Gerald Ford.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, you know Gerald Ford gets a lot of bad raps.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, he's supposedly the stumble bumb who was tripping.

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<v Speaker 3>He was the best athlete probably ever to hold the president.

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<v Speaker 3>nearly as bad. You know, what he did was an

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<v Speaker 3>enormous service to the country. I hate to say this

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<v Speaker 3>because I'm no Richard Nixon fan, but pardoning Richard Nixon

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<v Speaker 3>was the right thing to do because otherwise his presidency

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<v Speaker 3>would have been completely consumed by the trials of Richard Nixon,

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<v Speaker 3>who was gone. He had no power, you know, he

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<v Speaker 3>had already resigned. And it was also important for starting

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<v Speaker 3>us down the road and some very important deregulations.

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<v Speaker 2>He had to steady the ship. Yes, okay, so let's

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<v Speaker 2>get to the thirteen keys. Nine out of the last

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<v Speaker 2>ten elections. You have nailed it, with Gore being the

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<v Speaker 2>rare exception, so you could be the only exception. We

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<v Speaker 2>could argue there, So run that down, argue what's that?

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<v Speaker 3>I think I was right. You can check out my

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<v Speaker 3>report to the United States Commission on Civil Rights. Still

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<v Speaker 3>on the website that proved the wrong person was elected

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<v Speaker 3>President Florida screwed up, go should have won. But we're

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<v Speaker 3>not going to relitigate that now.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we're not. So how do you? When will you

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<v Speaker 2>make your prediction on this election? And just tell us

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<v Speaker 2>about your in.

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<v Speaker 3>A week, within a week.

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<v Speaker 2>Within a week, and what's your process.

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<v Speaker 3>The thirteen keys are different from the pundits, which have

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<v Speaker 3>no scientific basis, and the pulsters, which produce snapshots not predictions.

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<v Speaker 3>They're based on how elections really work, based on voters

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<v Speaker 3>voting up or down, on the strength and performance of

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<v Speaker 3>the White House Party. They're thirteen key factors, and if

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<v Speaker 3>six or more go against the White House Party, they're

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<v Speaker 3>predicted losers. Otherwise they're predicted winners. They're things like midterm elections,

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<v Speaker 3>incumbency party, contests for the incumbent party, third party, short

449
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<v Speaker 3>and long term economy, policy change, social unrest, scandal, foreign

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<v Speaker 3>successes and failures, and only two keys relate to the candidates,

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<v Speaker 3>and they're very high threshold keys.

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<v Speaker 2>When I read the keys, I thought, okay, this makes sense,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of it's just your common sense exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>They're intuitive like these complicated you know, political science models

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<v Speaker 3>that no one can understand.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, right, you know you said, it's simply a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of it has to do with the economy. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the economy stupid.

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<v Speaker 3>That's part of it. Yeah, that's all.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course, because people vote with their pocketbook.

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<v Speaker 3>But not always. You know, Hillary Clinton should have won

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<v Speaker 3>in twenty sixteen. It was a good economy pubet. Humphrey

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<v Speaker 3>should have won in nineteen sixty eight. It was one

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<v Speaker 3>of the greatest economies ever had the nineteen sixties. So

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<v Speaker 3>not always.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing with Hillary is why I have more indicators

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<v Speaker 2>and you're smart. The thing with Hillary is, and even

468
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<v Speaker 2>some women, she just wasn't likable, which bring in the

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<v Speaker 2>eyes of some.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I voted for her, but so Richard Nixon

471
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<v Speaker 3>was likable when he won in nineteen sixty eight and

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen seventy two. It was one of the most unlikable

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<v Speaker 3>political figures ever had. Humphrey was a very likable guy,

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<v Speaker 3>very affable.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a tougher I think it because I

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<v Speaker 2>think the hardest thing for women, I think is to

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<v Speaker 2>be tough, and like I think women get a bad rat.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a tough challenge for a woman. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's easier for a man to be in a

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<v Speaker 2>position of power than a woman because a woman has

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<v Speaker 2>to check.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree with that, but again, my system, what's at

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<v Speaker 3>the strength and performance of the White House Party. That's

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<v Speaker 3>why I was able to pick Trump in twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 3>which did not make me popular in ninety percent plus

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<v Speaker 3>Democratic Washington d C. I'm teach at AU American University.

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<v Speaker 3>But I did get a letter of congratulations which said congrats, profess,

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<v Speaker 3>a good call and a big sharpie letters signed Donald J. Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there you go. You can put that on the

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<v Speaker 2>wall if you will.

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<v Speaker 3>It's on my wall right here in my study.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to ask you one final question because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to get into this in a little bit. Vice

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<v Speaker 2>President Harris, and I think she's extremely likable. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think it's going to come down to the issues. I

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<v Speaker 2>just think that if you don't like Trump, you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to vote for her. And I think she played it

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<v Speaker 2>safe with the CNN interview, and if she continues to

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<v Speaker 2>play it safe, that's our best shot.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't disagree with you, but again, my system, and

501
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<v Speaker 3>you know I'll have my prediction within a week, does

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<v Speaker 3>not turn on the events of the campaign. That's why

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<v Speaker 3>I was able to predict reagan re election in nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>eighty four, nineteen eighty two, Obama's reelection in twenty ten,

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<v Speaker 3>the defeat of Republicans in two thousand and eight in

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand and six before I even knew who the

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<v Speaker 3>candidates were.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting stuff. Well, we look forward to it, Alan, We

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<v Speaker 2>will be watching. I assume you will announce this via

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<v Speaker 2>social media.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and it should also come out in the New York.

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<v Speaker 2>Times, okay, Alan.

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<v Speaker 3>And we're doing a video. And the video shows I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not just history nerd. It features my gold medal win

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<v Speaker 3>in the Maryland Senior Olympics for the eight hundred meter

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<v Speaker 3>dash and my nineteen eighty one number one quis show

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<v Speaker 3>win on tic Tac dough.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw that too, but let's not forget about it

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<v Speaker 2>says that you're a former three thousand meters steeplechase champion.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes i am. I was the sub Submasters North American

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<v Speaker 3>three thousand meters steeplechase champion, the race designed for horses

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<v Speaker 3>run by people.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a man for all seasons. Alan Lickman a pleasure

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<v Speaker 2>professor of history at American University, will be looking for

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<v Speaker 2>your prediction to the White House within a week.

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<v Speaker 3>Take care, Thanks for the interview.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for coming on. Very interesting stuff, great guy, true character,

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<v Speaker 2>very obviously a very smart man. We're going to get

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<v Speaker 2>into some TV. We're going to get into the Gemstones,

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to get into a local guy who's done

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<v Speaker 2>good in Hollywood. Chris Pappis, writer, director, producer, joins us.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming up at ten o'clock here on.

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<v Speaker 1>WBZ Now back to Dan Way Live from the Window

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<v Speaker 1>World night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, welcome back, Gary Tank Waine for Dan roy tonight

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<v Speaker 2>allan Lickman, always a great guest, very interesting guy. In

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<v Speaker 2>a week, he will have his prediction for the White House,

538
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<v Speaker 2>whether it be Trump or whether it be Vice President Kamala.

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<v Speaker 2>Harris could be interesting to see his thirteen Keys to

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<v Speaker 2>the White House. And as he mentioned, a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>it's just common sense, the economy, whether the country is

542
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<v Speaker 2>at war, who's controlling the House, who's controlling the Senate.

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<v Speaker 2>And I did watch the Harris interview on CNN with

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<v Speaker 2>Dana Bash and she didn't screw it up. That's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the way I look at it. She talked about

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<v Speaker 2>a four thousand dollars tax credit for families, promoting the

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<v Speaker 2>middle promoting the middle class. Now, I did not watch

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<v Speaker 2>it live. I mean, who does anybody watch anything live anymore?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, so I what, But people who did watch

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<v Speaker 2>it live said that they felt like she didn't really

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<v Speaker 2>say anything. She didn't go out on a limb. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>she's gonna be for the middle class. She's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>for the middle class. She's talking about young families. She's

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<v Speaker 2>talking about young family and it is so expensive now,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, things are out of control. I mean the

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<v Speaker 2>price talking about groceries, the price for food, so for

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<v Speaker 2>it's just things that we have taken for granted. How

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<v Speaker 2>families are gonna need help with that? So that seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be pretty democratic. That seems to be kind of

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<v Speaker 2>right along the party line that you would expect. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't think. I don't look at that. For Vice President

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<v Speaker 2>Harris to come out and say, you know, families with

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<v Speaker 2>young children are going to get a fourth one thousand

565
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<v Speaker 2>dollars tax credit so they can afford better food. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't look at that as communism, you know, or some

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<v Speaker 2>far radical left idea at all. I look at that

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<v Speaker 2>as compassion call me crazy. I just think it's just

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<v Speaker 2>having compassion. That's what That is. The one thing I

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<v Speaker 2>do think she needs to work on, though. She needs

571
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<v Speaker 2>to be more concise. It's a sink when she speaks.

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<v Speaker 2>She wanders still a little bit. And that's something that

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<v Speaker 2>President Obama. Obama was very good at. That's something that

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<v Speaker 2>Trump is good at. When Trump says something, he says

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<v Speaker 2>it with confidence. He says it clearly. It may be insane,

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<v Speaker 2>it may be crazy. It may be saying you can

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<v Speaker 2>cure the pandemic with bleach, but he says it clearly,

578
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<v Speaker 2>and he sells it. He sells it.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>You may not be buying, but there are a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people that are a lot of people are buying it.

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<v Speaker 2>She waffles a little bit sometimes it really is. I

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<v Speaker 2>gotta be honest with you folks. Quite often it's the

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<v Speaker 2>way you say it. It's how you say it as

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<v Speaker 2>opposed to what you say, and that's that's that's nuts.

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<v Speaker 2>But take it from a guy that's been in the

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<v Speaker 2>media thirty years. There's a lot of truth in that.

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<v Speaker 2>She needs to get a lot of She needs to

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<v Speaker 2>get smoother in that regard. I think that's what needs

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<v Speaker 2>to happen there, but people, you know. And another thing

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<v Speaker 2>she said in the interview that well, there's only like

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<v Speaker 2>sixty eight days left in the election. Everybody keeps talking

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<v Speaker 2>about Oh, the question, I'm sorry, let me back up

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<v Speaker 2>speaking of it, speaking clear clearly. The question was asked

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<v Speaker 2>by Dana Bash. She said, you know, are you looking

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<v Speaker 2>at would you have a Republican in your cabinet? And

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<v Speaker 2>she said yes, And she asked Vice President Harris, are

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<v Speaker 2>you looking at names? Are you thinking about who would

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<v Speaker 2>be in your cabinet? And so of course she goes, oh, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to worry about the election. There's only sixty

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<v Speaker 2>something days left. And maybe my math is off, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm in the ballpark. It's a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>crap when people talk about there's only so much time left.

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<v Speaker 2>And when they were talking about replacing Joe Biden with her,

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<v Speaker 2>they had to do it sooner than later, and you

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<v Speaker 2>had to do it before the convention. No, you don't

607
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<v Speaker 2>was in such an immediate society. I am convinced that

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<v Speaker 2>someone could jump into the presidential race now and if

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<v Speaker 2>they had the right message win now. It's obviously it's

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<v Speaker 2>not going to happen because the Democrats and the Republicans

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<v Speaker 2>have their person. But for the sake of this argument,

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<v Speaker 2>everything is so immediate.

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<v Speaker 3>It is.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, even as tragic as the attempt on President

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's life was, people have forgotten about it. And you

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<v Speaker 2>should not. And I'm not a Trump person, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>a Trump guy, but you should not forget about that.

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<v Speaker 2>The person almost lost his life, which would have been

619
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<v Speaker 2>absolute hell and a disaster. But with the news cycle

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<v Speaker 2>now it's like, what have you done for me in

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<v Speaker 2>the last twenty four hours? What have you done for

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<v Speaker 2>I just think that's the way it is, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>And when it comes to and one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to talk down on Lickman is when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to evaluating someone's vice presidency, I mean, really, look

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<v Speaker 2>the one thing about Harris, she should have gone to

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<v Speaker 2>the border. I don't understand why she didn't. It would

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<v Speaker 2>have been a photo op. She could have gone down

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<v Speaker 2>there and represented Joe. But I don't understand why she didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't think it's her call, to be quite

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<v Speaker 2>honest with you, I think the administration would have should

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<v Speaker 2>have made the call. We said, listen, Vice President Harris

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<v Speaker 2>would want you to go on the border photo. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. And in the

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<v Speaker 2>interview with Bash, she did say, look, Trump's people negated

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<v Speaker 2>the bipartisan deal they had to improve things at the border.

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<v Speaker 2>They did. Look, the border is just the elephant in

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<v Speaker 2>the room. Is the way I see it is either

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<v Speaker 2>you shut it down or you don't. And people want

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<v Speaker 2>to look at America as the land of opportunity, where

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<v Speaker 2>you know, my grandparents came from My great grandparents came

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<v Speaker 2>from Canada and Prince Edward Island and you know before that, Ireland,

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<v Speaker 2>And well it's not the same anymore. It's not the

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<v Speaker 2>same situation. Immigration needs to be controlled and if they

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to, if they wanted to control it, to control it.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump didn't want this administration to control it because he

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to use it as a political blag. He didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want them to come up with a solution. He wants

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<v Speaker 2>to come up with a solution. No, no, no, that's mine.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait for me. And it's not as simple as build

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<v Speaker 2>a wall. But I still think that it's attainable and

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<v Speaker 2>you can do it, and for whatever reason, neither party

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<v Speaker 2>has done it. You can control immigration, you can control

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<v Speaker 2>the boarder. If this is going to be cliche, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's true. If you can put a person on the moon,

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<v Speaker 2>you can do it. And I know it's big, I

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<v Speaker 2>know there's a lot of land, and I know it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to cost money. But you can do it. You

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<v Speaker 2>can do it. I just don't think either party wants

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<v Speaker 2>to do it because they like to use it for

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<v Speaker 2>political purposes. That's what they do. They want to use

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<v Speaker 2>it for political purposes. It drives me nuts. You can

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<v Speaker 2>have controlled immigration, and I understand, I'm talking thousands of miles,

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking a lot of construction. We're talking people. Power

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<v Speaker 2>creates jobs. You want to create jobs while you're president.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's control the border. Let's get a system where people

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<v Speaker 2>can come into this country and work and look for

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<v Speaker 2>a new life without having to cross a river with

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<v Speaker 2>their three kids with the risk of drowning. It can

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<v Speaker 2>be done. I just don't think the powers will be wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what Gary Tanglis is here at nine fifty seven

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<v Speaker 2>on Labor Day. Have you seen the Righteous Jemstones? Dynna

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<v Speaker 2>McBride is hilarious, John Goodman is great, and that there

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<v Speaker 2>are so many great actors in that series. And one

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<v Speaker 2>of the reasons is so good is a guy right

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<v Speaker 2>here from Massachusetts has taken part of it. He's my buddy,

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Pappas. And we continue our theme of Bostonians who

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<v Speaker 2>have done well in Hollywood. That's all coming up next

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<v Speaker 2>to ten o'clock right here on WBZ Boston News Radio,