WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.000 --> 00:00:07.080 It's time for Coffee and Company, fueled by Thornton's on 2 00:00:07.280 --> 00:00:21.480 Sports Talk seven nine day. Now here's nick coffee. 3 00:00:23.399 --> 00:00:25.600 All right, let's get it start at five o'clock here 4 00:00:25.679 --> 00:00:31.760 on a Thursday afternoon. Nasty outside, really gross, gloomy, but 5 00:00:32.039 --> 00:00:34.679 it does look like the warmer weather, along with the rain, 6 00:00:34.759 --> 00:00:39.320 is helping this snow go away. And I like wintertime, 7 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:42.920 and I love the snow we had earlier this month, 8 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:45.399 but I have had enough. I'm kind of ready for 9 00:00:45.439 --> 00:00:48.280 the warmer weather to return. Speaking of returning, we have 10 00:00:48.759 --> 00:00:50.799 somebody making their big return today to us here at 11 00:00:50.799 --> 00:00:54.000 Coffee and Company, mister John Alden back in the saddle 12 00:00:54.039 --> 00:00:56.399 on not a whole lot of sleep, gotta be running 13 00:00:56.399 --> 00:00:58.039 on fumes at this point. He's been up since about 14 00:00:58.079 --> 00:01:01.119 three am because he now produces Kentucky and his morning 15 00:01:01.159 --> 00:01:03.640 news with Tony Cruz on News Ready waight forty whas 16 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:06.640 they stole him from us. But he's doing well, and 17 00:01:06.719 --> 00:01:09.680 today we get the chance to uh to reunite. And 18 00:01:09.760 --> 00:01:11.519 I hope it has been as enjoyable for you as 19 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:12.319 it has me and my friend. 20 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:14.239 It has been. I told you earlier it's felt like 21 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:16.519 riding a bike. It's been kind of this might. 22 00:01:16.359 --> 00:01:18.439 Sound kind of feel like you never left, right, Yeah, but. 23 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:20.640 There's also like the nostalgia that comes from oh, just 24 00:01:20.680 --> 00:01:23.040 down the hallway. Yeah, and it's only been a few months, 25 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:24.439 but there's still you know, it feels like it's been 26 00:01:24.480 --> 00:01:24.920 longer than that. 27 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:28.120 We are much more childish here, much less professional. I 28 00:01:28.120 --> 00:01:30.560 mean that's just you know, it's it's kind it's kind 29 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:32.359 of just if you can, if you're okay with that, 30 00:01:32.439 --> 00:01:34.840 then I think you'll you'll be able to fit right 31 00:01:34.879 --> 00:01:38.000 back in here now. I also didn't mention it just yet, 32 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:39.640 but a lot of love on the text line, people 33 00:01:39.640 --> 00:01:41.680 happy to uh to have you back, and also mentioning 34 00:01:41.719 --> 00:01:44.760 that they listen to you in the mornings whenever you're 35 00:01:44.799 --> 00:01:46.920 on with Tony and saying you're doing well, which you 36 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:48.959 know that you knew that already. I mean, you're doing 37 00:01:48.959 --> 00:01:51.040 a good job, and I'm I feel like a proud 38 00:01:51.120 --> 00:01:53.159 uncle to see you, to see you doing your thing. 39 00:01:53.200 --> 00:01:55.840 And next week we'll be reuniting again because I'll be 40 00:01:55.920 --> 00:01:58.879 filling in for Tony for a few days Wednesday, Thursday 41 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:01.920 and Friday, which'll be a early an early rise, but 42 00:02:02.159 --> 00:02:05.599 looking forward to it, no doubt. Yeah, And in fact. 43 00:02:05.799 --> 00:02:07.640 Shout out to the louisvill Men's clinic. That was something 44 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:09.319 that didn't happen for a while. And I'm sure for 45 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:11.919 a lot of fellows out there now it is so 46 00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:14.800 you know, you know, see look at John fitting right 47 00:02:14.840 --> 00:02:19.360 in right, Megan perverted jokes. I love it. It is 48 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:21.680 just like riding a bike like you like you never left. 49 00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:23.759 All right. So for those just now joining us. 50 00:02:24.039 --> 00:02:27.639 Big day for the ACC as ESPN has decided to 51 00:02:27.639 --> 00:02:30.800 pick up the back half of that grant of rights deal. 52 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:34.520 It's a contract and a real issue over many years 53 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:37.280 now just because of it being locked down for so 54 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:40.879 long till twenty thirty six, and there's no opportunity to 55 00:02:41.280 --> 00:02:44.199 go revisit and get more money as far as grant right. 56 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:48.479 So you know, it's led to lawsuits from league members 57 00:02:48.520 --> 00:02:51.000 Clemson in Florida state. So I never felt like the 58 00:02:51.039 --> 00:02:53.599 agency was going to dissolve. But what happened today is 59 00:02:54.360 --> 00:02:56.159 they decided to pick up the back half of it. 60 00:02:56.199 --> 00:02:59.520 Meeting until twenty thirty six. ESPN is your partner, and 61 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:02.120 it may, you know, may not be the best situation 62 00:03:02.240 --> 00:03:04.560 comparatively speaking. Right the SEC and the Big ten, they're 63 00:03:04.599 --> 00:03:08.960 doing better financially. I mean, there's no doubt about that. 64 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:11.439 They probably always will to be honest with you. 65 00:03:11.520 --> 00:03:13.919 But I just think. 66 00:03:15.280 --> 00:03:17.639 If they did not pick it up, and they just decided, yeah, 67 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:20.319 we've got Disney of course, who owns ESPN. If they 68 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:23.560 just decided we've got enough on our plate when it 69 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:26.479 comes to sports properties in ESPN and ESPN Plus and 70 00:03:26.520 --> 00:03:29.560 the SEC network, that in our relationship with other leagues 71 00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:31.520 and whatnot, we're good, and they just didn't want to 72 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:33.800 deal with us because I never felt look of it happened. 73 00:03:33.840 --> 00:03:35.919 But if it did, I wouldn't be shocked if league 74 00:03:35.919 --> 00:03:39.319 members suing each other to try to get out, or 75 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:41.840 league members i'm sorry, suing the league to try to 76 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:44.080 get out. I mean that could make it to okay. 77 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:46.080 If you're going to be invested in this league and 78 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:48.360 you know your most valuable members are trying to sue 79 00:03:48.400 --> 00:03:50.400 the league and get out, I mean, it wouldn't have 80 00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:52.280 been a crazy thing that they just decided, yeah, this 81 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:52.759 is a mess. 82 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:53.840 We're good. 83 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:55.960 We don't really need you. You need us more than 84 00:03:56.000 --> 00:03:59.919 we need you. So the decision to run through you 85 00:04:00.159 --> 00:04:03.680 run the contract through its full extent to twenty thirty six, 86 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:06.879 It means the league's not dissolving and nobody's going anywhere, 87 00:04:06.919 --> 00:04:10.439 and those that have complained and wanted more money, they're 88 00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:11.879 gonna have a chance to get more money because the 89 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:14.319 league is adopting something that I think is really the 90 00:04:14.360 --> 00:04:19.319 first innovative thing that I've seen the ACC do in 91 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:20.759 a long time. Right, I feel like over the years 92 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:22.680 we've been talking about something cool that the other leagues 93 00:04:22.680 --> 00:04:24.920 are doing, even the Big Twelve, which I still think 94 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:27.680 at times you feel is inferior to you in football 95 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:31.519 and whatnot. I mean, their commissioners seem to really know that, 96 00:04:31.759 --> 00:04:33.160 and he would do a lot of things that other 97 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:35.240 leagues wouldn't do to bring in revenue and kind of 98 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:37.639 give him the cool factor in the ACC, I mean 99 00:04:37.639 --> 00:04:40.839 their reflection of their leader, Jim Phillips, who to me 100 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:42.600 seems like the biggest dweve out there. I don't know 101 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:45.759 him personally, but certainly never been impressed and I think 102 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:48.199 he's you know, I'm sure he's a good man, but 103 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:49.879 like I don't think he's done a good job overall. 104 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:55.240 So his decision, his leadership clearly had some factor in 105 00:04:55.639 --> 00:04:58.000 these schools being able to bring in more money than 106 00:04:58.040 --> 00:04:59.680 they typically do. Because they're now going to get what 107 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:01.319 they are, right, you get a bigger piece of the 108 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:04.040 pie if you brought you know, if you brought it, 109 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:05.120 you know what I mean, Like if you were somebody 110 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:07.319 that provided it, you can take a bigger cut than others, 111 00:05:07.319 --> 00:05:09.279 because that's I mean, that's how it works in a 112 00:05:09.319 --> 00:05:12.759 lot of aspects of life. So I think, not now, 113 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:16.279 but you may see in the future other leagues when 114 00:05:16.279 --> 00:05:20.720 they're up for a renegotiation or extending their contract. Now 115 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:22.920 that you have a twenty million dollar annual bill that 116 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:25.480 you have to pay because you've got to share your revenue. Now, 117 00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:27.839 I mean, that's an expense that wasn't there, And twenty 118 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:30.639 million is not something that I think is a small 119 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:34.040 expense to any school. So you may have been eaten 120 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:37.120 just fine and not not going hungry at Ohio State 121 00:05:37.480 --> 00:05:40.279 or at Georgia, but you know, twenty million dollars twenty 122 00:05:40.279 --> 00:05:42.319 million dollars. So maybe now you're thinking, Okay, if they 123 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:43.759 can do it, we can do it. We want a 124 00:05:43.759 --> 00:05:47.160 bigger cut, and it'll probably work out because Vandy will know, Hey, 125 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:50.879 our best existence is being at you know, at the 126 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:53.399 doormat you know. And by the way, I shouldn't say 127 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:55.800 that Vandy's actually on quite a run, knocking off Kentucky 128 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:58.079 the other day, and they beat Alabama and football, but 129 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:00.279 you know what I mean, and it's like Boston College 130 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:03.639 and you know, Pittsburgh, maybe Abbot pitt I don't think 131 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:08.360 it's a good example the low level programs in the ACC, 132 00:06:08.439 --> 00:06:10.439 at least lower level compared to everybody else. The wake 133 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:13.639 forests out there, they'll know that, Yeah, it wouldn't be 134 00:06:13.720 --> 00:06:16.079 idea if we no longer get an equal share. But 135 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:18.319 we also know that our best interest is to still 136 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:21.120 be in this league regardless, because if we get if 137 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:23.360 we got to move around elsewhere, it'll never be better 138 00:06:23.360 --> 00:06:26.160 for us than being in this league. So it'll all 139 00:06:26.199 --> 00:06:28.480 work out, and it's not I mean, who can claim 140 00:06:28.519 --> 00:06:30.319 that it's not a fair thing for you to be 141 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:35.079 out there actually bringing in what you earn. I mean, 142 00:06:35.079 --> 00:06:38.040 that's how it should be, to be honest with you. 143 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:41.759 Now. One point that was made earlier by David Hale, 144 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:42.800 who covers. 145 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:45.360 The ACC for ESPN, and of course he's joined us 146 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:48.959 on this show from time to time. He mentioned that 147 00:06:49.319 --> 00:06:53.720 when it comes to the revenue distribution model that they're 148 00:06:53.759 --> 00:06:56.439 trying to put together, they're going to reward the biggest 149 00:06:56.439 --> 00:07:01.759 brands in regards to like who has the biggest TV 150 00:07:01.920 --> 00:07:05.279 draw But it could get really, it could get really 151 00:07:07.160 --> 00:07:10.720 I mean, how you determine that seems really really difficult, right, 152 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:14.000 I don't really know if there's a perfect way to 153 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:16.920 be able to know. I mean, again, I think you know, 154 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:18.759 but you're not just going to say, well, I know 155 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:22.000 that this team is more interesting and they bring in 156 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:23.720 more viewership than that team. I mean, you're gonna know, 157 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:25.639 but you're gonna want to see real raw numbers to 158 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:29.360 actually determine who has the brand value. So one thing, David, 159 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:31.199 He'll pointed out, as he said, one thing I want 160 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:33.839 to make clear. Brand value for REV distribution purposes isn't 161 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:36.240 likely to be a straight measure of TV ratings. A 162 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:39.879 lot of complicating factors that make that a messy metric. 163 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:42.240 Totally agree to imagine if you end up being like 164 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:44.879 if you're if You're Louisville this year they put you 165 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:48.399 on Peacock when you play Notre Dame, that that's clearly 166 00:07:48.439 --> 00:07:50.720 going to put you at a major disadvantage by something 167 00:07:50.720 --> 00:07:54.639 you had no control over. So measuring your brand value 168 00:07:54.720 --> 00:07:58.639 off TV ratings is probably way more complicated than we realize, 169 00:07:58.680 --> 00:08:02.480 but it also is something that complicated or not, it's 170 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:05.839 it's worth figuring out because that is quite literally the value, right, 171 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:12.319 That's how this works. TV Networks, ESPN, Fox. They purchased 172 00:08:12.360 --> 00:08:15.839 the rights to broadcast your games and monetize them, and 173 00:08:15.920 --> 00:08:18.120 more people that watch makes it more value, and that's 174 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:20.959 everybody's fill in their pockets in high level sports. And 175 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:22.759 we just sit back and watch and enjoy it. 176 00:08:23.959 --> 00:08:24.040 All. 177 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:26.079 Right, One thing I want to get to coming up 178 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:28.160 here in just a few minutes. We will get to 179 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:30.519 the phone lines in just a second. But as you 180 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:35.559 could expect, the Pat Kelsey LoveFest has has really started 181 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:38.279 to grow in a major way in college basketball, not 182 00:08:38.360 --> 00:08:40.960 just with LOUISLL fans, but I mean, he's clearly showing that, 183 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:45.000 you know, he's a good coach and he's winning at 184 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:48.440 a high level given what expectations were, and he's doing 185 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:50.080 it without two key guys that were supposed to be 186 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:51.919 a big part of this team. So we've known it 187 00:08:51.919 --> 00:08:53.879 for a while. We've been enjoying this ride. The revival 188 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:55.840 is happening right before our eyes, and I can't get 189 00:08:55.919 --> 00:08:57.879 enough of it. But now you're starting to really see 190 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:01.080 those that cover the sport work on stories and really 191 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:04.799 kind of put a different story out there in regards 192 00:09:04.840 --> 00:09:06.879 to kind of this whole thing coming together, and it's 193 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:10.120 seeming like a like a perfect arrangement here, right pack 194 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:12.240 Kelsey was the perfect guy for us at the perfect time, 195 00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:14.559 and so far it's been it's been awesome. But in 196 00:09:15.320 --> 00:09:16.879 a recent article we'll get to some of these quotes 197 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:19.600 coming up in the next segment, but just anonymous coaches 198 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:22.240 who did talk to Jeff Borzelo ESPN and to hear 199 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:24.440 them talk about what it's like playing for Louisville and 200 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:27.159 what they think of the job he's doing. I mean, again, 201 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:28.919 these are the kind of things they like. Right now 202 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:31.120 I can't get enough of. I mean I used to 203 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:32.639 just think, well, yeah, they're going to be talking up 204 00:09:32.679 --> 00:09:33.120 our program. 205 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:33.879 We're Louisville. 206 00:09:33.960 --> 00:09:36.120 Obviously, when we were talked about in recent years, it 207 00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:39.759 was shameful. Now it's it's not and it's it's more 208 00:09:39.799 --> 00:09:41.279 so enjoyable than I would. 209 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:41.759 Have ever expected. 210 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:44.080 All right, five O two, five seven, one seventy nine 211 00:09:44.159 --> 00:09:46.039 hundred is the number. If you guys would like to 212 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:48.000 jump in and give us a call. Let's go back 213 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:50.840 to the phone lines and welcome in, Robert. You'ren Sports 214 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:51.480 Talk seven ninety. 215 00:09:51.519 --> 00:09:53.919 What's happening, Hey, nig it's. 216 00:09:53.799 --> 00:09:55.799 Been in minutes as I called, and a lot of 217 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:59.679 great stuff went on. And I can't imagine the last 218 00:09:59.720 --> 00:10:03.399 two years have done nothing but lament, how horrible everything, 219 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:06.320 And uh, I'm just thankful. But I'll tell you what 220 00:10:06.360 --> 00:10:09.720 it's been here recently that I've gotten back that that 221 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:12.879 you they'll like love. I mean you you understand because 222 00:10:12.879 --> 00:10:16.879 you're like me, You're oh yeah, we know, yeah, And 223 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:20.240 it's like, I mean, hell, and probably until here in 224 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:22.399 the past, I don't know, a week or two, I 225 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:24.720 know all the players' names. Now you know, it's just 226 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:27.320 then the bad part is all going to change next year. 227 00:10:27.440 --> 00:10:31.480 I mean you know what, No, man, I cannot be happier. 228 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:33.919 I mean, I bet, I bet, Robert, I bet there's 229 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:37.120 something in the last couple of weeks that it wasn't 230 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:39.600 something premeditated you didn't think about it, but you had 231 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:43.399 a reaction, or just something that kind of hit you, like, damn, 232 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:45.759 I'm kind of you. I'm kind of feeling back to 233 00:10:45.799 --> 00:10:47.279 the way it used to feel as being a little 234 00:10:47.399 --> 00:10:49.879 basketball fan. And that I know exactly what you mean, 235 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:51.600 and it's it's it's been awesome. 236 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:54.080 Well looking forward, I mean, I'll give you a good 237 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:57.799 that's perfect because, like I said, the winning street here 238 00:10:57.840 --> 00:10:59.840 when it got to about seven, and I was like, 239 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:02.879 I really was looking forward to the next game. All 240 00:11:02.960 --> 00:11:05.000 right now, you know, I know who they are, and 241 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:07.360 I just want to see can they keep going? Can 242 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:11.200 they keep going? And yeah, man, it's Louisville and you 243 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:13.759 said it just a minute going, we're you goes to Louisville. 244 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:17.879 We're a top five historically top five program in the country. 245 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:21.480 And to be beaten down like this, my god, over 246 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:26.440 DEI basically it's just uh well it's not the over reason, 247 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:29.200 but man, it's just it's said, it's great and I 248 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:32.279 ain't gonna keep you, but I'm just more unhappy and 249 00:11:32.360 --> 00:11:34.399 I just letting you know, man, I feel like I 250 00:11:34.440 --> 00:11:35.480 did years ago. 251 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:37.679 Was Yo Belle saying, yep, thank you for the call, Robert. 252 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:41.320 I appreciate it. Yeah, I didn't like the end of 253 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:41.639 that one. 254 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:46.759 But what he said about feeling, you know, feels like 255 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:49.759 Louisville again, I mean that that's there's a lot of 256 00:11:49.799 --> 00:11:52.360 layers to that, and there's a lot of different things 257 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:55.320 that kind of give you that indication that we are 258 00:11:55.440 --> 00:11:58.360 making our way back to not being you know, maybe 259 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:00.159 a program that's going to be winning a championship up 260 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:02.279 anytime soon. I mean, maybe it happens, I don't know, 261 00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:05.519 but just to you know, feeling a certain level of 262 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:07.919 like pride like these guys. And this is so corny, 263 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:13.440 I know, but these guys you feel like they are 264 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:16.639 very much appreciative to be here and like they're enjoying 265 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:19.000 this as much as we are. But not just because 266 00:12:19.039 --> 00:12:22.080 you know, they're players and they like having success. They're 267 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:27.279 appreciating what a special place this can be and that 268 00:12:27.279 --> 00:12:30.200 that's a part of it too. I mean, I just 269 00:12:30.279 --> 00:12:33.399 like watching these guys play, even if it's not Rain 270 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:35.840 Smith making ten threes in a game, because they play 271 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:38.000 with a lot of effort, a lot of energy, and 272 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:40.200 you know, a lot of pride, and you know, you 273 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:43.159 can be a good team and maybe not have that component. 274 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:46.519 But like, I think there's little things that we would 275 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:48.799 have not looked at for a long time just because 276 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:50.559 it was an expectation. It was just what we did 277 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:52.639 as Louisville fans. We knew we were going to always 278 00:12:53.200 --> 00:12:56.200 be a program that was you know, even in a 279 00:12:56.240 --> 00:12:58.759 down year, we're probably still looking at maybe the tournament. 280 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:00.759 Well then it went to a oh that you didn't 281 00:13:00.799 --> 00:13:01.440 know possible. 282 00:13:01.519 --> 00:13:04.399 So I gets there's a lot of layers to kind 283 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:07.120 of this whole process really, from from day one when 284 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:10.039 Pat Kelsey got hired, just hearing somebody talk about the 285 00:13:10.039 --> 00:13:12.039 program in a way. I mean, he's a great talker 286 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:13.919 as it is, but he said, you know, he's really 287 00:13:14.039 --> 00:13:16.039 he's hit. He's playing the right songs for us, right, 288 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:18.519 he's hitting the notes because you know he's saying things 289 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:21.039 that you know, you're damn right. Well, I'm glad to 290 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:23.360 hear somebody else agrees that this is a special place 291 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:26.320 to be and anybody should be insanely grateful to have 292 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:28.120 the opportunity to coach at a place like this and 293 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:29.960 not make excuses and be a victim. But you know, 294 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:33.000 just realize, hey, this is this is one of the 295 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:35.840 best gigs that I could ever get. I'm gonna I'm 296 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:38.799 gonna succeed here. I'm gonna die trying. So I think 297 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:41.799 we knew even from day one that Pat Kelsey was 298 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:44.600 gonna give it as all, and you know he wouldn't 299 00:13:44.799 --> 00:13:47.080 fail because of lack of trying, and then he put 300 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:49.080 together a pretty good roster and then you know, you 301 00:13:49.120 --> 00:13:51.159 saw the team in action and you knew right away, hey, 302 00:13:51.240 --> 00:13:53.639 this team's clearly gonna play hard and they're a big 303 00:13:53.720 --> 00:13:56.360 upgrade from what we had before. But early on, even 304 00:13:56.360 --> 00:13:58.279 after the Bahamas, in the early part of the season, 305 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:01.519 I mean I was, it's all super excited about the 306 00:14:01.519 --> 00:14:05.200 future with Pat Kelce, but you know, like this team 307 00:14:05.320 --> 00:14:08.480 just recently, in the last month, I'm telling you, Dan January, 308 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:10.759 something just just switched with him. I mean, even when 309 00:14:10.759 --> 00:14:13.720 they beat Indiana in West Virginia and the Bahamas and 310 00:14:13.759 --> 00:14:16.240 then had that close lost to Oklahoma, that was great. 311 00:14:17.120 --> 00:14:19.159 And obviously they had some losses that were really bad 312 00:14:19.200 --> 00:14:22.120 early on this year. I never even in those moments, 313 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:24.120 I never felt like we didn't have a coach that 314 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:27.519 was going to potentially be really successful here. But man, 315 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:30.320 that just seems like a different world compared to what 316 00:14:30.519 --> 00:14:32.879 January has been. Like a ten game winning streak that 317 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:36.399 you know is longer than just January, but still to 318 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:41.799 see them out there just playing so hard and clearly 319 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:44.519 having a give a damn that is very obvious. And 320 00:14:44.600 --> 00:14:46.679 you can give a damn and play hard and maybe 321 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:48.639 not look as obvious, but like you mean to tell me, 322 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:50.840 Chucky Hebern isn't loving every minute of this after three 323 00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:51.799 years at Wisconsin. 324 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:53.360 I mean, Rain Smith. 325 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:56.840 Is having his best college season on the biggest stage 326 00:14:56.840 --> 00:15:00.600 he's ever played on and helping revive I have a 327 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:02.639 fan base who is one of the most passionate band 328 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:05.720 bases in the country. So like, there's and this is 329 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:10.919 the element that I believe is a bigger factor than 330 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:13.840 maybe others think about, and that is their age and maturity. 331 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:18.440 These guys are grown men, Like they're not eighteen nineteen, 332 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:21.080 twenty twenty one. I mean, Javon Hadley's been in college 333 00:15:21.080 --> 00:15:25.639 six years, Chucky's twenty two years old, Rain Smith twenty three. 334 00:15:25.480 --> 00:15:25.960 I believe. 335 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:29.960 I mean, you've got guys who've played a lot. I mean, 336 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:32.600 the only young Bucks you have, or James Scott and 337 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:35.639 Cannai Rus everybody else who plays has been in college 338 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:39.879 a long time. So I think the maturity from these guys, 339 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:43.240 the professionalism, I mean, it's really a perfect fit for us. 340 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:47.320 And you know, I hope Pat Kelsey continues to try 341 00:15:47.320 --> 00:15:49.720 to build teams that have guys like this that doesn't 342 00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:51.600 need to be like an age requirement. You don't have 343 00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:54.320 to be a grandpa within the sport benefiting from an 344 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:57.559 extra year for whatever reason. But just you know, a 345 00:15:57.600 --> 00:16:04.000 good this group. Their talent, their their character, their work 346 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:06.720 ethic like that, that that means a lot. But I 347 00:16:06.759 --> 00:16:09.840 happen to think that their maturity as people has has 348 00:16:10.399 --> 00:16:13.519 made all three of those areas something that you know, 349 00:16:13.559 --> 00:16:15.600 you don't have to worry about, right Like these guys know, Hey, 350 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:17.480 I've got a chance to potentially make a lot more 351 00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:19.440 money in Louisville, maybe not just this year, but for 352 00:16:19.480 --> 00:16:21.679 the rest of my life if I give it my 353 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:23.919 all on the team has success, because that's where I'm at. 354 00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:25.759 You know, a nineteen year old kid who wants to 355 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:28.480 playing time and he's got his AAU coach in his 356 00:16:28.519 --> 00:16:29.840 ear about money. 357 00:16:29.559 --> 00:16:32.519 Like that that that could still work, I guess. 358 00:16:32.559 --> 00:16:35.360 But like you know, that kind of stuff's going to 359 00:16:35.399 --> 00:16:37.679 be really easy to pass on in college basketball because 360 00:16:39.279 --> 00:16:41.720 you can win with I mean, look at Rutgers. I 361 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:43.559 don't want to get too far sidetracked here, but John, 362 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:45.840 you're a big ten guy. I mean, Rutgers has two 363 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:49.639 guys that are probably gonna be top five draft. 364 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:51.679 Picks, and definitely A's Bailey. 365 00:16:52.120 --> 00:16:55.440 Yeah, I mean, yeah, It's tough to know exactly where 366 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:57.159 these guys will end up when it's all said and done. 367 00:16:57.159 --> 00:16:59.960 But I'm looking right now at a mock draft at 368 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:03.519 CBS Sports and Ace Bailey's number two and Dylan Harper's 369 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:07.079 number three Cooper Flag's number one. So they got two 370 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:11.480 insanely talented freshmen in the same season and they're awful, 371 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:13.519 Like they're one of the worst teams in the Big 372 00:17:13.559 --> 00:17:16.880 Ten by far, and these guys are gone after a 373 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:18.119 Ye're like, what. 374 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:19.960 Did you get out of that? 375 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:20.319 That was? 376 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:22.920 I mean, but my point is you would always make 377 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:24.880 it work if you can with those guys. But those 378 00:17:24.920 --> 00:17:28.200 are gonna be case studies that are gonna be people 379 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:29.480 learning from what you did. 380 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:31.119 Like, yeah, it'd be cool. 381 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:33.119 And if we put this much money in front of them, 382 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:35.200 they'll come here and that'll give us some attention, some 383 00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:37.640 hype because maybe got a big recruit, But like, is 384 00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:40.920 it worth utilizing probably every penny we have in nil 385 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:43.880 for this because you know they're gonna be playing against 386 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:45.640 grown men, and they may have good stat lines and 387 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:48.480 they may maintain their draft stock like they are, but like, 388 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:50.039 are we gonna be good are we gonna win games? 389 00:17:50.759 --> 00:17:53.079 And the best the best case scenario is when you 390 00:17:53.119 --> 00:17:55.559 have a mixture right like you were able to you know, 391 00:17:56.000 --> 00:17:58.759 may put it this way, if Louisville in a different world, 392 00:17:58.839 --> 00:18:01.480 they were bringing back a handful of these guys, which 393 00:18:01.480 --> 00:18:03.799 they are gonna be able to bring back some of them. 394 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:05.960 Now they also could leave. You never know, but I'm 395 00:18:05.960 --> 00:18:08.400 just saying they may bring back a handful of these 396 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:11.640 guys and then they'll hit the portal elsewhere. And let's 397 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:14.319 just say maybe the only recruit they bring in is 398 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:16.960 happens to be mckail brown junior, who you know is 399 00:18:16.960 --> 00:18:21.400 a top five player. I mean, that could work. That 400 00:18:21.480 --> 00:18:24.039 can work in a major way. And I think, you know, 401 00:18:24.240 --> 00:18:26.319 I doubt this will be strategic because they're gonna want 402 00:18:26.359 --> 00:18:29.160 to recruit young talent. But when it comes to when 403 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:33.400 it comes to, you know, just how you build your roster, 404 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:37.559 I think, can I Russ? I mean, his numbers don't 405 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:39.559 show it, and you know he's had games where he's 406 00:18:39.599 --> 00:18:43.000 not super impactful. But man, you can't tell me a 407 00:18:43.039 --> 00:18:45.440 young freshman, a top forty freshman coming out of high 408 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:47.920 school playing with a bunch of grown men that are 409 00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:51.200 mature that are great teammates that work hard, that are humble, 410 00:18:51.640 --> 00:18:54.400 I mean, that can't do anything but help his growth. 411 00:18:54.920 --> 00:18:57.279 And I don't know, maybe you start to see PAD 412 00:18:57.359 --> 00:18:59.759 or other programs kind of know, hey, we're gonna be 413 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:02.319 most old, but we're gonna take some chances on some 414 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:04.319 young guy. Or you're only taking a chance, but you're 415 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:06.160 gonna bring in a young guy, probably give a lot 416 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:08.000 of nil money for him, and maybe he's only there 417 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:10.759 a year or two, but you know he'll help you 418 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:14.000 along the way before he goes to the NBA. I mean, 419 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:15.440 it could I ask help this team. I mean, I 420 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:17.839 mean it's one of those things you hear coaches say 421 00:19:17.880 --> 00:19:20.000 a lot, but man, when Pat says it, I mean 422 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:24.720 it's every everybody who plays knows their role in what 423 00:19:24.759 --> 00:19:27.599 they're expected to do, and they and they're consistent about it. Now, 424 00:19:27.640 --> 00:19:30.480 sometimes you're gonna misshot, sometimes you're gonna have an off 425 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:32.599 night when it comes to just things not falling for you. 426 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:36.599 But I mean even Frank who comes in like he's 427 00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:39.640 in there to give you energy, be you know, disruptive 428 00:19:39.680 --> 00:19:43.559 around the rim when he can rebound and and he 429 00:19:43.559 --> 00:19:46.119 he embraces that. It's not many minutes it's certainly not 430 00:19:46.160 --> 00:19:49.559 a highly sought after role for a team, but you 431 00:19:49.599 --> 00:19:51.559 know he knows what he's what he's needed, what his 432 00:19:51.559 --> 00:19:53.200 team needs of him, and he does it with pride. 433 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:55.799 I mean, same thing with with Canaim. He's coming off 434 00:19:55.839 --> 00:19:57.519 the bench and you know he brings a lot of 435 00:19:57.640 --> 00:19:59.799 energy and you know he's a little different athletically than 436 00:19:59.839 --> 00:20:03.160 most to these guys. So I mean, and by the way, 437 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:04.759 that's one of the many things that I would chalk 438 00:20:04.839 --> 00:20:07.079 up to being a big factor in why this team 439 00:20:07.079 --> 00:20:09.359 has been just such a such such I mean again, 440 00:20:09.400 --> 00:20:10.920 when I say so improved, I don't know, like they 441 00:20:10.920 --> 00:20:14.200 were thinking before, but I mean they look like they 442 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:16.200 do and they seem to be a team that isn't 443 00:20:16.279 --> 00:20:18.480 just taking advantage of it down acc which they are, 444 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:20.279 but they're also a team that might give some other 445 00:20:20.319 --> 00:20:23.160 teams some problems in the tournament. It's because they have 446 00:20:24.039 --> 00:20:27.519 they have identified roles in a major way, and they 447 00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:29.039 know who they are as players. How many times do 448 00:20:29.079 --> 00:20:32.319 you see somebody doing something that you know is outside 449 00:20:32.359 --> 00:20:35.200 their game. I mean, I know some people might say 450 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:39.079 Edwards taking shots, but look, he's a volume scorer. That's 451 00:20:39.079 --> 00:20:43.359 what he's always done, and you're better off if he's 452 00:20:43.400 --> 00:20:45.880 aggressive at scoring, because yeah, he might start off slow, 453 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:47.599 he might have a few games where it's not falling 454 00:20:47.680 --> 00:20:50.200 for him. But here he is against wake Forest Legion 455 00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:53.319 scoring after shooting pretty poorly at the beginning. He was 456 00:20:53.319 --> 00:20:56.720 taking good shots. He was clearly aggressive offensively, and he 457 00:20:56.839 --> 00:20:59.200 maintained that aggressiveness and shots started to fall. He end 458 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:01.559 and o with eighteen points. So like that's the role 459 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:03.960 they need him to be. He wasn't that guy whenever 460 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:05.880 they didn't have injuries, and he was kind of trying 461 00:21:05.880 --> 00:21:08.960 to find himself and sure enough, Like that's another thing. 462 00:21:09.079 --> 00:21:12.079 Kelsey has done a good job at retooling a little 463 00:21:12.119 --> 00:21:15.400 bit once they lost Koryn for the year. And you know, 464 00:21:16.079 --> 00:21:18.640 in case In Pryor, I mean, I think everybody out there, 465 00:21:18.680 --> 00:21:21.000 Jamon Hadley, I mean, he's he knows what he's supposed 466 00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:23.240 to do. And that's the best part about this is 467 00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:25.440 that kind of the calling cards for some of these guys. 468 00:21:25.480 --> 00:21:29.079 Pat Kelsey always mentioned shooting, right about how they know 469 00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:30.920 that these guys that's part of their game, and he 470 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:32.799 talks about what's on the back of the bubblegum card 471 00:21:32.839 --> 00:21:34.920 or whatever and being able to shoot and he's right 472 00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:37.519 as far as their resumes, but that really hasn't played 473 00:21:37.519 --> 00:21:39.240 out this year. They've clearly had games where the three 474 00:21:39.279 --> 00:21:41.279 point line was a weapon for him. I mean, there's 475 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:43.640 no doubt, but the numbers don't show that they're a 476 00:21:43.680 --> 00:21:45.799 great shooting team. I think some of these guys are 477 00:21:45.799 --> 00:21:47.839 shooting it differently than they did before. Now they're shooting 478 00:21:47.839 --> 00:21:50.240 it much better since January. I mean they're right around 479 00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:51.759 forty percent or a little bit under that, which is 480 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:56.559 pretty good. So anyways, I think, you know, when it 481 00:21:56.559 --> 00:21:58.920 comes to what I view as these guys, like what 482 00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:01.759 makes them impactful and kind of what would be their 483 00:22:01.759 --> 00:22:04.640 calling card, it's things that you don't have to you know, 484 00:22:04.759 --> 00:22:06.799 it's not based off luck. It's not based off shots falling. 485 00:22:06.799 --> 00:22:10.400 Like Javon Hadley's gonna take take advantage of mismatches right 486 00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:13.480 and rebound his ass off CHUCKI Hepburn is going to 487 00:22:13.519 --> 00:22:17.759 just be an absolute pest to the opposing team's point 488 00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:19.720 guard and make his life a living hell all night. 489 00:22:20.279 --> 00:22:22.880 And like when you do those things that aren't, you know, 490 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:26.400 based off the luck or odds of it happening. When 491 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:29.440 you do all that and you do it well, that's 492 00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:31.759 when everything just kind of falls into place. That's what's 493 00:22:31.759 --> 00:22:33.960 happening for this team. All right, quick break, we'll come 494 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:36.319 back on the other side. We'll bring in David who's 495 00:22:36.319 --> 00:22:37.920 on hold. He's up next. 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Five two five seven is the number if 505 00:23:01.880 --> 00:23:03.039 you want to give us a call, and we'll go 506 00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:04.319 to David, who's been holding. 507 00:23:04.519 --> 00:23:05.839 What's happened to David? How you doing? 508 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:10.000 I'm fantastic, Nick, Harry you this afternoon doing great? 509 00:23:10.039 --> 00:23:10.480 My friend? 510 00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:14.400 Well, I had a couple of things. I'll tell you man, 511 00:23:14.519 --> 00:23:17.039 I could talk for thirty minutes. I know this is 512 00:23:17.079 --> 00:23:20.119 your show. I could. I've got to die tribe a 513 00:23:20.200 --> 00:23:24.279 mile long, but I'll be very quick. I had three 514 00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:27.960 quick points. The first thing, of course, it pertains to 515 00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:31.640 the University of Louisville basketball team. And I know that 516 00:23:31.720 --> 00:23:34.920 there's people around here starting to feel a buzz about 517 00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:38.440 this team, and there, yes, and we should because this 518 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:42.200 is what been. It's just this is something I don't 519 00:23:42.279 --> 00:23:45.480 I'm sixty one. I didn't think i'd ever see this again. 520 00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:50.240 And it's just, you know, really excited about where the 521 00:23:50.279 --> 00:23:54.599 program's going. And Pat Kelsey and Pat we trust. And 522 00:23:54.640 --> 00:23:58.319 it's nice that national people are paying attention to us, 523 00:23:58.359 --> 00:24:00.839 because it seems as though for the last ten or 524 00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:04.039 fifteen years we're being paid attention on a national level 525 00:24:04.119 --> 00:24:08.880 in a derogatory way. Secondly, the Kentucky fans that are 526 00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:13.680 calling in that are trying to offer compliments about Louisville basketball, 527 00:24:13.720 --> 00:24:16.880 and it's better if Kentucky and Louisville, or you know, 528 00:24:16.880 --> 00:24:20.200 if we're both good. It's just all better for basketball. 529 00:24:20.799 --> 00:24:24.880 I don't put any stock at all. They the holier 530 00:24:24.920 --> 00:24:29.079 than now we think we you know, last time I checked, 531 00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:35.079 James Nasmith invented basketball. Kentucky basketball. You know, Yeah, they've 532 00:24:35.119 --> 00:24:37.920 won a bunch of titles. Three of them. That happened 533 00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:40.240 in the forties and fifties. They never left the state 534 00:24:40.279 --> 00:24:43.440 of Kentucky to do it. So anytime any Kentucky fan 535 00:24:43.559 --> 00:24:49.400 wants to offer compliments, it's always byhandied undermining and you 536 00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:52.960 know they they can pound sand. The last thing that 537 00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:58.039 I'll tell you is, oh, one other thing I want 538 00:24:58.119 --> 00:25:00.519 to mention. It's sort of like I love with a 539 00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:03.279 friend of mine, my dad, A friend of mine, a 540 00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:06.359 friend of my father's at Mitchell's Fish Market one day 541 00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:08.440 and he looked over at me and goes, you know, 542 00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:12.559 I love your father. He's the smartest uneducated man I know. 543 00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:19.559 And I was like, thank you. I think, yeah, yeah. 544 00:25:19.599 --> 00:25:23.920 And lastly, uh, there's a there's a person that has 545 00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:26.759 a radio show in town that won a national title 546 00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:30.920 in nineteen eighty played for the Cards that has said 547 00:25:31.039 --> 00:25:36.359 repeatedly this team is non athletic. He said, he continues 548 00:25:36.440 --> 00:25:40.039 to play that we haven't played anybody card. The ACC 549 00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:44.039 is weak. The SEC is the gold standard in basketball. 550 00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:46.839 You know, last time I checked, you play who you play, 551 00:25:47.119 --> 00:25:50.759 and it's not like we're just squeaking by these teams. 552 00:25:50.920 --> 00:25:52.799 The only thing I know, the last thing I'll see 553 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:54.839 on the subject, I love your show. I love what 554 00:25:54.920 --> 00:25:59.079 you guys do. The four SEC teams that that beat 555 00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:02.720 us earlier in the season, they don't want any part 556 00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:03.200 of us. 557 00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:05.880 Now, yeah, I would agree with that. I mean, I 558 00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:07.559 don't know what would happen, but this is not the 559 00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:08.440 same team, that's for. 560 00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:13.240 Sure anyway, And I do owe you an apology, and 561 00:26:13.319 --> 00:26:16.000 I'm just gonna say I'm sorry about something that I 562 00:26:16.119 --> 00:26:19.119 said that I that you know. I'll say something to 563 00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:21.480 you off air at another time. But you can do 564 00:26:21.519 --> 00:26:25.319 a fantastic job representing the University of the city. 565 00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:26.480 And thank you. 566 00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:28.880 No go cards, keep up the good work, and as 567 00:26:28.920 --> 00:26:32.480 far as Kentucky fans go, well they know where they 568 00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:33.119 can shove it. 569 00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:34.279 Thank you, David. 570 00:26:34.279 --> 00:26:37.240 I appreciate, appreciate all the kind words, and appreciate you 571 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:39.319 being a loyal listener. I don't know what you said, 572 00:26:39.319 --> 00:26:42.279 but I hope it wasn't crazy. I mean, I mean 573 00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:45.440 really wondering what Wait a second, you're apologizing for something 574 00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:47.240 that that I don't even know that you said. It 575 00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:49.079 makes me think that you feel really bad about something 576 00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:50.799 that I would never know about unless you told me, 577 00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:53.680 which again gets me back to thinking, man, it must 578 00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:56.519 have been bad, but Anyways, a lot to unpack there 579 00:26:56.519 --> 00:27:01.119 with David, and I'll start with the the Kentucky fans 580 00:27:01.160 --> 00:27:03.759 when they mention it's better, that is true because it 581 00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:06.359 just is like things are better. But if I had 582 00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:09.480 a choice, I would always prefer Louisville to be really 583 00:27:09.519 --> 00:27:12.200 good in them to be really bad. But I can 584 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:14.599 also acknowledge that, yeah, there's more. I mean, it's just 585 00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:18.880 the rivalry is better. It's just a I mean program, 586 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:21.920 I mean, healthy competition is good. And when Louisville is 587 00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:24.960 on the good side and Kentucky's on the good side 588 00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:28.759 and they're competing both at a high level, it just, 589 00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:30.880 I mean, it's good for the economy because there's more 590 00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:32.079 interest in the programs. 591 00:27:32.119 --> 00:27:35.720 And I mean it is. I don't think there's any debate. 592 00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:38.079 But again, just because of how the rivalry works, I 593 00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:40.359 clearly would like to see them, to see them lose 594 00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:43.200 every game. And I think if you say that and 595 00:27:43.240 --> 00:27:46.119 you just mention it, I mean you're just telling the truth. 596 00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:51.519 Maybe that's like as far as you can go, right, 597 00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:55.000 Like you won't say that you likewisen't watching us win 598 00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:58.480 because you don't, but you know you also won't mention 599 00:27:58.599 --> 00:28:01.119 that Louisville's playing good. Just find a way to kind 600 00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:03.559 of say without fully saying it. But again, some have 601 00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:05.640 actually called in and said exactly that that louis was 602 00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:08.160 playing well. And we had a Kentucky fan calling yesterday 603 00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:11.160 who mentioned something about, you know a lot of teams 604 00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:11.640 not wanting to. 605 00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:13.200 Play Louisville, and I think all that's true. 606 00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:15.839 There's no way to know that for certain, but yeah, 607 00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:20.880 I mean the the what's really, I guess been the 608 00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:22.559 biggest takeaway for me, and I don't I was going 609 00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:24.880 to say the biggest surprise, but it's really not that surprising. 610 00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:26.759 But what has really stood out to me throughout this 611 00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:31.960 whole new year for both teams right new coaches, new culture. 612 00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:36.000 I mean, clearly both fans love their coach right now, 613 00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:38.359 feel really good about the future, and will acknowledge that 614 00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:42.440 the others coach is pretty hard to dislike, and even 615 00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:43.920 if you want them to be terrible. I don't think 616 00:28:43.960 --> 00:28:47.359 either side thinks that the arrivals coaches is bad. So 617 00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:50.680 that's just kind of an unusual thing. But what has 618 00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:52.960 you know, what has really stood out to me is 619 00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:58.119 just that the going out of your way to like 620 00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:03.000 nobody's saying that Louisville has played a great conference schedule, 621 00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:04.480 or in is a great or is in a great 622 00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:08.440 conference this year, but like this, this, I mean, it's 623 00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:11.680 like a it's like something they can't control, like they 624 00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:16.839 are enable to They're unable to control the these I 625 00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:18.680 guess more than anything. And it's not just you know, 626 00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:21.000 it's it's people on text line, it's callers every now 627 00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:24.319 and then and certainly all over social media that rather 628 00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:28.559 than just not have a reaction because somebody objectively that 629 00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:31.359 covers college basketball said that Louisville's playing well and Pat 630 00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:34.279 Kelsey's doing a good job, it's like they've got bots 631 00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:38.279 set up to automatically respond with talking about how bad 632 00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:41.279 the ACC is like okay, cool, like you know it 633 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:44.160 That to me screams that you are having a really 634 00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:47.359 tough time just acknowledging that Louisville might in fact be 635 00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:50.880 be getting back to a good program and being one 636 00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:52.640 of the programs that is viewed as one of the 637 00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:56.079 better ones in college basketball, not only historically, but you know, 638 00:29:56.119 --> 00:29:59.319 maybe they get there and they're consistently in the top ten, 639 00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:01.720 top fifteen and they're flirting with final fours. I mean 640 00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:04.039 that that's where you want to be, and you can 641 00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:05.720 be if you're Louisville. And I'm not saying that they're 642 00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:08.440 there now, but certainly it looks like things are heading 643 00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:10.599 in the right direction. So we've got a mixed bag 644 00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:13.519 of I think reaction from from the rival when it 645 00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:15.799 comes to how this season's gone, and I think some 646 00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:18.839 of it has been. And again, not everybody's the same, right, 647 00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:23.000 Like everybody's different as human beings. There are some fans 648 00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:27.119 that like a huge part of their fun with college 649 00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:30.240 sports is hating their rival. There's some that I just 650 00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:32.440 think they're wired differently to where, yeah, they hope the 651 00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:34.319 rival loses, they want to beat them more than they 652 00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:36.119 want to beat most teams, but they just don't get 653 00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:39.519 has caught up in it. So you know, everybody's different, right, 654 00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:40.920 and everybody can feel. 655 00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:41.599 The way they want to feel. 656 00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:45.799 And certainly Kentucky fans, we'll get through this litle on 657 00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:47.880 the other side, because I want to play the Rick 658 00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:50.079 Patino sound where he's telling Kentucky fans they shouldn't boo 659 00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:52.400 John Caliperry. But I don't even know if it'd be 660 00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:54.799 a if it'd be a stretch to say it's infighting 661 00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:58.039 between their fans within their fan base. But I think 662 00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:01.880 those that are more so making it a talking point, 663 00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:03.720 and it's worthy of a talking point, like this is 664 00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:06.440 a big deal in college basketball. I get why Game 665 00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:10.359 Day didn't choose this one, you know I do, but 666 00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:12.200 it's a big deal for those who love college hoops, 667 00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:15.480 and certainly these two programs love college hoops. So I 668 00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:18.400 think those that are that are really Again I don't 669 00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:21.279 want to act like they're going overboard or saying something crazy, 670 00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:23.960 but those that are saying they're not gonna boo, and 671 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:26.720 they really are gonna look at a fan different if 672 00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:30.039 they did boo. That is that. That's what I've heard 673 00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:33.000 more than anything, and that I just don't quite understand. 674 00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:36.960 But again, people can do whatever they want, but certainly 675 00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:39.680 there's gonna be people booing, and if you feel like 676 00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:42.480 they're awful for it, I you know, I think I 677 00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:45.440 think they're they're I think it's understandable why they would boo. 678 00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:47.680 Really quick, before we get to our last, uh, our 679 00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:51.079 last break here. This this is from let's see here, 680 00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:53.839 let me pull it up for from ESPN Jeff Borzella. 681 00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:57.759 What he actually did was put together a. 682 00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:59.119 Rundown of four teams that are that are looking like 683 00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:02.480 surprise tournament contenders, meaning not only a surprise that they're 684 00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:04.240 in the tournament run right now, but maybe they are 685 00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:06.559 going to be contenders to make a run. Louisville was 686 00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:10.240 one of those teams, along with Vanderbilt, Missouri, and Wisconsin. 687 00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:13.079 And just looking at these quotes from these coaches out there, 688 00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:14.920 it doesn't say who they are, but atis read them 689 00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:17.880 for you. It says they're the real deal. Nobody wants 690 00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:20.400 to go through injury, but sometimes it can set your lineup. 691 00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:23.279 You're not playing too many guys. They've been down prior 692 00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:25.440 and Waterman and I still feel like they've been in 693 00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:26.359 a really good rhythm. 694 00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:29.000 There's absolutely some truth to that. 695 00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:31.160 You were kind of forced to have to reinvent yourself 696 00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:33.240 with all you had, and it helped these guys get 697 00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:35.319 comfortable out there because they were they're going to be 698 00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:37.880 playing thirty plus minutes regardless, and eventually they kind of, 699 00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:39.200 you know, round it into form. 700 00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:40.240 And again it's. 701 00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:44.079 About those established roles. This text says, Chucky Hepburn is 702 00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:46.240 a menace on the ball. He makes them go. He 703 00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:47.799 can score thirty points and he can be the best 704 00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:48.599 player on both ends. 705 00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:49.920 Of the floor. He's very disruptive. 706 00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:53.440 Defensively, he can dominate both ends. He's very efficient, he 707 00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:56.640 gets to his spots, he's physical. This is another one 708 00:32:56.839 --> 00:33:01.440 talking up one of the Louisville players about Rain Smith offensively. 709 00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:03.440 The threat of rain Smith is a lot. Just him 710 00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:04.920 being on the floor opens up a lot for them. 711 00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:08.359 Their backcourts really good and as a team, they're very selfless. 712 00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:11.640 Guys know what their strength is and when Smith is on, 713 00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:15.720 they're really really tough. Last one, they guarded the hell 714 00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:18.400 out of us. He's got those guys bought in. Those 715 00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:21.640 guys are all playing hard, they're all playing for one another. 716 00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:25.799 I'm sure every one of us has has thought those 717 00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:29.000 exact same things, and I mean it's pretty obvious. And 718 00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:31.720 I think that's the last quote there as far as 719 00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:35.000 they're playing the hell out of I mean, he's got 720 00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:37.079 these guys guarding the hell out of us. They're all 721 00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:39.279 bought in, they're playing hard, they're playing for one another. 722 00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:41.880 Like That's something that I believe we as a fan 723 00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:45.680 base Louisville meaning would notice that more than the casuals, 724 00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:49.160 and we would appreciate it more because of what happened 725 00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:51.799 recently and that's just again, there's no doubt in my 726 00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:55.119 mind this team. It's been as fun as any season 727 00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:57.400 I can remember. And I mean that, and I and 728 00:33:57.440 --> 00:33:59.720 I don't care. I mean, I do care about the tournament. 729 00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:02.400 But if Bakers can you continue to play this well, 730 00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:05.279 maybe they get upset earlier something that'll be a real 731 00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:09.360 bummer or punch to the gut. But I cannot see 732 00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:11.440 there being a scenario where we look back and say, man, 733 00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:14.320 that first year it was funner than we would have 734 00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:17.000 ever expected. All right, quick break, We'll come back and 735 00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:19.000 wrap this thing up. 736 00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:20.159 Am I right? 737 00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:22.880 We have one more second? Right, Okay, still you left. 738 00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:26.440 But man, I'm still bad at clock management. It's probably worse, man, 739 00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:29.159 probably worse than it was during our days together. But 740 00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:31.039 we'll take a time out, come back and finish strong. 741 00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:35.719 Here on Sports Talk seven to ninety. So Kentucky at 742 00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:39.119 Arkansas this Saturday, as cal makes his return to rops. 743 00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:43.320 Certainly a little bit, a little bit underwhelming as far 744 00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:45.639 as just it being a game where you feel like 745 00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:47.960 there was gonna be a whole lot of tension. I 746 00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:49.760 don't think there's gonna be well, I'm sure there will 747 00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:53.719 be tension, but I mean Cal is not expected to 748 00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:56.000 win this game at all. Kentucky is, and Kentucky could 749 00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:59.800 play poorly and still win because Arkansas is just really 750 00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:03.440 an shown that they're very good now they've got talented players. 751 00:35:03.440 --> 00:35:04.920 I mean, it's not as if they're bad in a 752 00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:08.400 way that they got a bunch of bombs. But Cal 753 00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:10.920 hasn't really seemed to be a good ex's and o's 754 00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:13.599 coach when it comes to two strategic things in a while. 755 00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:16.679 And yeah, he's got some fine players, but I mean 756 00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:20.599 their team is not great at all compared to what 757 00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:24.400 he had at Kentucky. So I kind of feel like 758 00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:26.280 that has made it a little bit less of a 759 00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:28.079 of a of a thing when it comes to the 760 00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:30.800 national discussion. But certainly it's a big deal within college 761 00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:33.679 sports and a big deal around here. And I think 762 00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:35.719 there'll be plenty of fans that boo. I think there'll 763 00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:39.400 be plenty of fans that maybe are fine with others booing, 764 00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:42.320 but there's just not gonna boo because that's not their personality. 765 00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:45.679 And then there's some that will cheer and maybe tell 766 00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:49.079 people to hush if they're booing, and you know, you 767 00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:51.119 can do whatever you want. I would never tell you 768 00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:53.719 how to to act. Certainly not as a Kentucky fan, 769 00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:57.440 because I'm not one, but uh, Rick Patino, he wants 770 00:35:57.480 --> 00:36:01.079 you to to give cal pair a standing ovation, and 771 00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:03.119 he put a video out and this is just perfect 772 00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:07.639 Rick Patino making it about him injecting himself into something that. 773 00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:11.159 I mean, yeah, he has been back to Kentucky after 774 00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:14.280 being a coach there, but I mean, like, this isn't 775 00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:17.280 about him, right, I mean in any way. But here's 776 00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:18.199 what he had to say. 777 00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:22.519 Hello, Big Blue Nation. I didn't steer you wrong with 778 00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:26.079 Mark Pope when I sent out that last video, and 779 00:36:26.119 --> 00:36:30.280 I certainly won't steer you wrong with this video. Toughest 780 00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:32.800 day of my coaching career at Louisville was when I 781 00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:36.480 had to walk into Rupperna. Tried not to show it, 782 00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:40.400 but when I went home the reception, it taught me 783 00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:44.760 up apart because I loved that place so much. And 784 00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:47.760 it's interesting because I speaking and Cooley just recently about 785 00:36:47.800 --> 00:36:50.440 Providence and he said he almost was brought to tears 786 00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:54.000 because of the bad feelings he got going back there. 787 00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:57.280 But this is different. And as you all know, I'm 788 00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:00.760 not best friends with John cal Parry. I respect them certainly, 789 00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:05.320 but it was a mutual thing. The fans wanted to change. 790 00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:09.559 John read the tea leaves. He needed a change, and 791 00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:11.519 he really didn't want to leave. But what did he 792 00:37:11.639 --> 00:37:14.760 do for you? He brought the best talent in the 793 00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:19.280 history of the game of any university in America to Lexington. 794 00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:24.559 He also won a national championship. He also was his 795 00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:28.480 style of play was extremely entertaining. So he's coming back 796 00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:31.480 on Saturday, and I want all of you to show 797 00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:35.199 the great class that you have, twenty three thousand plus 798 00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:38.800 people giving him a huge standing ovation, show him what 799 00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:41.880 respect and admiration's all about. I know you have the 800 00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:44.840 class I've always believed in. You do it once again. 801 00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:49.960 So this was kind of I mean, I'll admit I 802 00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:52.159 hadn't heard that in its entirety before I just played 803 00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:54.960 it there. I'm not really sure he said anything that 804 00:37:55.320 --> 00:38:00.719 is wrong, but I mean he's not. I mean, first 805 00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:04.920 of all, he clearly is now very very direct that 806 00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:08.159 because he coached at Kentucky for a long time and 807 00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:10.639 he was a app I mean, he is as successful 808 00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:13.960 there as really anybody, and he was just I mean, 809 00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:16.159 he was the biggest rock star I think college basketball 810 00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:19.559 had ever when he was at Kentucky. So maybe with 811 00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:21.960 that he does feel like he can tell you, as fans, 812 00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:24.159 like what he thinks you should do. Right, He's not 813 00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:26.000 just some rando. I mean, he was the enemy for 814 00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:27.960 a while when he was at Louisville, but I think 815 00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:31.440 he does feel a level of like that's home to him, right, 816 00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:34.719 That's that's you know, it's still weird to think about, 817 00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:36.199 just giving the fact that he was our coach for 818 00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:39.000 a long time in Louisville, not that long ago. But 819 00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:42.480 you know, here's what coaches wouldn't want to hear. 820 00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:43.440 But it's true. 821 00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:47.480 You're not one of the fans, like it's a job 822 00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:49.800 for you's And again I do think you grow to 823 00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:51.960 love it. It's a special place, like I think you can. 824 00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:54.159 It can be something that you're human about, right. It 825 00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:57.639 doesn't mean it's got to be such a transactional type 826 00:38:57.679 --> 00:38:58.880 of thing. But at the end of the day, it's 827 00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:01.320 your job. It's a part of your life. If you're 828 00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:04.599 a fan, it's your life, not meaning it's the most 829 00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:07.400 important thing in your life. But those that are big 830 00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:09.960 time fans, it's something that they're gonna that's gonna stick 831 00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:12.880 with them until the day they die, So not to 832 00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:14.920 say that that makes them like better than anybody, but 833 00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:17.320 like it's just a brief part of what you do 834 00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:21.199 and we appreciate you. However, Like this is like you're 835 00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:23.440 gonna come and go. I'm gonna be a fan regardless, 836 00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:26.239 so I'll I'll act the way I want to act. 837 00:39:26.360 --> 00:39:28.519 So I you know, I don't think you said anything wrong. 838 00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:31.440 I do like that he did acknowledge that he's certainly 839 00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:33.639 not best friends with Caliperry, but he respects him because 840 00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:36.000 I think there's some truth to that. So you know, 841 00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:37.360 fads are gonna do what they want to do, and 842 00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:41.000 that's that's what should happen and what will always happen. 843 00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:44.119 I just to me, if I was a Kentucky fan 844 00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:46.559 the way he went out, I don't think he was 845 00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:48.960 as sincerely at any point. He did good things and 846 00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:51.840 that's something you should appreciate. But you know, he he 847 00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:54.880 thought he was bigger than Kentucky basketball, which I thought 848 00:39:54.920 --> 00:39:56.760 that was pretty obvious for many years and you could 849 00:39:56.800 --> 00:39:58.480 live with it and you're fine with it when you're winning. 850 00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:00.639 But at the end, I just thought he became insufferable 851 00:40:01.239 --> 00:40:03.519 for you guys. But anyways, we're out of time. Have 852 00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:05.320 a good evening, John, thanks for coming back brother 853 00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:08.159 M HM.