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Enjoy the exploration. Hello, and good morning you too. How

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are you doing today, longing morning.

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Speaker 2: We're doing okay?

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Speaker 1: Oh, what a beautiful day to share a conversation with you.

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Because what I love about your book is everything that

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is happening in my granddaughter's life. She's not sitting around

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moping about what's the future all about. She is a

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rise girl, Rise, And so I felt like I was

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reading my granddaughter's story when I was reading this book.

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Speaker 3: Love to your granddaughter.

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Speaker 2: How old is she?

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Speaker 1: She is actually twenty two years old. And what I

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love is is that you teach a peaceful way to

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have a voice and not like we're gonna do this.

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I love your approach to building a peaceful, stronger tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Your granddaughter sounds like the younger Gloria or the younger Namer.

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Speaker 1: Well. The thing about it is is that we've needed

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every one of those pieces parts in order to make

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today happen. I mean, things don't just happen. You've got

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to have people like Gloria to be able to step

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through that wall and say, hey, can we talk for

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a moment? Not yell at each other, but can we

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just talk?

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Speaker 2: Definitely? Definitely.

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Speaker 1: What did you personally learn from both of this, You know,

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from both sides of this project, because there's so much

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going on here. In fact, one of the things that

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really caught my attention right away, your book's dedication is

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in the back of the book and not in the

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front of the book. This tells me you put the

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community first.

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Speaker 3: Well, and also we want to leave the reader with

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a sense of connection and community and hope.

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Speaker 1: It's there. It's there in so many different ways. But

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how through the editing process were you able to bring

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it up to such a situation of where we identify

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ourselves inside this story. That's great writing, Gloria.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you. I can use the encouragement since I

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have many deadlines I haven't met.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, but you do it in such a simple way.

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I mean, is it because we're in this TikTok generation

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that we just want things right now, right now, right now?

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Or is it it's like, calm down, let's go for

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a walk. What did you guys feel now?

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Speaker 3: To tell a story, you have to have a sequence

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that replicates our emotional sequence. No matter how profound the

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single sentence may be, it's not as powerful as a

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narrative story.

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Speaker 1: I mean very openly. You celebrate resilience and empowerment. Those

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are two very evident words in these modern days, and

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we need leadership like this book to push us through it.

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Speaker 4: I think definitely we need leadership like the book to

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push us through it. Empowerment is a word that people

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have tinkled with a lot over.

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Speaker 2: The last few years. We've heard it with the empowerment.

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You've empowerment, all kinds of empowerment. But the real understanding

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of empowerment is the ability for one to give up

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some of their power in order for orders to step

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into their power. And I think, over the years knowing Guria,

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that's what I've known her to be or to do

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that step back, for young people to be able to

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step into their own and I think the times that

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we live in now, that's what it's calling for. You know,

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we have all of these authoritarianism happening across the world,

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and it's basically because a lot of people do not

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understand that empowerment and leadership is not just about being report.

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It's about sometimes stepping out of their land life and

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allowing other of those kids.

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Speaker 1: And I also believe to step out of your own

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personal community. We're talking about hope, faith, love, perseverance, talk

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about other communities as well. This isn't just about oh,

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my section of town. We should be working together as

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a global unit.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's what this book it's all about.

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Gloria from the US, Lemur from Africa specifically Liberia, coming

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to give us two different people, two different backgrounds. Curial

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brewing of years was this order for antique dealer in

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different camps, mind work in a small community, going back

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and forth from the city to the diligion, going to

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the farm, having a tad, DNA, caet rabbits and heard

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dealing with all of these and two things. And a

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father who was, so it's as basically storing us that

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this is the ideal world that, regardless of where you

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come from, our collective humanity is calling all of us

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to hang on to each other.

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Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Gloria and Laima

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coming up next. The name of the book Rise Girl,

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Rise from Gloria Steinem and Lama Bowie Gloria. This all

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came together just because you guys happened to just get

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together one day and it's like, I love that kind

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of collaborating where it's like, hey, I got this idea,

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or do you feel like doing this, And all of

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a sudden it's become this book that on this side

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of the pages. I'm going, oh my god, this is

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exactly what we're looking for.

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Speaker 3: And this is available to everyone because, first of all,

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we learn from different not Shaymeness. Difference is a gift.

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It helps us to expand and learn and become bigger

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people and understand more. And if we look around and

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see that we only know people who are like us,

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we're probably missing something.

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Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, well, I mean look at the two of you.

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You group in two completely different parts of the world,

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yet you stand united in a message that that that's

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inspirational to me.

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Speaker 3: Good Derek Labor inspired you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. That's that's the hook that will

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inspire a lot more people.

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Speaker 1: But how is it that you're able to tap into

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that piece calm, to use your words and your thoughts,

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but not in an angry way, because never once in

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this book do you say raise your voice.

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Speaker 2: Well, one of the things that as the young woman

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have come to recognize their movements for creaming, moments for come.

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There are moments for rage and in the moment that

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we live and there's a lot of range around us,

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there's a lot of screaming around us, and people are

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no longer communicating, they're just shouting. So this book is

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a call for us to have favor conversations not just

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about our streams, our difference, but also a bought our

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together with our sisterhood and the Tally directives. Because if

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you go through the pages of this book, you recognize

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that even the girl will take a jab and the

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girl with out as a jab, those different there's a

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lot they have in common. And I think that's what

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that's the message that we need for the world, quietly

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to say, you may be black, I may be or

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you may be white, I may be black. You can

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quietly deal with our differences instead of screaming at each other.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I found fascinating with the

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book Rise, Girl Rise is the actual size of the book.

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I know, as kids we love to have big books,

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but even as adults, when I sat down with this,

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I felt like, Oh my God, I am in a

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place of peace because and really, I do believe that

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that the size of a book matters to the reader.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well, it certainly matters visually because it allows us

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to produce images that are closer to reality.

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Speaker 1: Wow, where can people go to find out more about

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everything that you're doing? Because this is not a one

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day project. This is something that has to be going

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on every day, and we've got to have that discipline

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and that perseverance in order to make this happen. By

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name of Peace, Well, Grea.

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Speaker 2: Has a website. I run a foundation in Liberia. It's

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called you do my last name, Thebolicy Foundation. And then

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I run an institute here at the City University Law

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School called the Institute for Gender Launch Transform A big piece.

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So we're still doing a lot around the work.

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Speaker 3: Go.

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Speaker 2: We are still writing to telling you about her deadline.

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But the beauty of the life that we live and

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the work that we do is that we recognize that

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it's not a day's job, it's our calling, it's our livelihood.

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And that's what it is in black just something that

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you do for pay. It's something that you're doing because humanity,

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the divine has called you to step out and be

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that and do that.

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Speaker 1: I love your heart is please come back to this

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show anytime in the future. The door is always going

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to be open for you.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you something.

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Speaker 2: And we really love I love your y as it

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means you love your work. That's the way to go.

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Speaker 1: Will you guys be brilliant today?

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you and you'll be amazing because they buy