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<v Speaker 1>It's night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z,

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<v Speaker 1>Boston's news radio. Thanks very much, Nicole. As we head

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<v Speaker 1>into this a Thursday night, my name is Dan Ray.

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<v Speaker 1>Just try to look out and see if I can

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<v Speaker 1>see the northern lights And no, I didn't see them

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<v Speaker 1>at all. Just dark, just dark where I am, that's

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<v Speaker 1>for sure. My name's Dan Ray, host of Nightside, heard

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<v Speaker 1>every weeknight right here in WBZ from eight until ten o'clock,

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<v Speaker 1>eight until midnight. Excuse me, eight until midnight only if

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<v Speaker 1>it were eight until ten o'clock. No, only kidding. Dan

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<v Speaker 1>and Rob are back in the control room double teaming

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<v Speaker 1>with producers tonight, which always makes life interesting most of

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<v Speaker 1>the time easier, but makes it always interesting. We have

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of big topics we'll deal with later on tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to talk about mass ballot question number five

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<v Speaker 1>that proposes giving tipped workers here in Massachusetts state minimum wage.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a little more complicated than that, but we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be talking with Steve Clark, the president and CEO of

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<v Speaker 1>the Massachusetts Restaurant Association, and then we're gonna help all

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<v Speaker 1>of you overcome the fear of public speaking, gloss of

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<v Speaker 1>phobia I had never heard of the word before. Gloss

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<v Speaker 1>of phobia is one of the most common fears of

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<v Speaker 1>phobia's and it effects an estimated seventy five percent of people.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll have a very special author and transformational speaking

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<v Speaker 1>coach with us who we've had on before, Linda Ugolo.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've got an interesting night coming up. We start

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<v Speaker 1>off with a very interesting guest and a very interesting topic.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bruins are underway tonight. A couple of weeks from now,

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<v Speaker 1>the Celtics will be underway, and of course they have

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<v Speaker 1>the additional opportunity to defend Banner eighteen and maybe look

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<v Speaker 1>for Banner nineteen. And there's a new book out the

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<v Speaker 1>Boston Globe, Story of the Celtics nineteen forty six to President,

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<v Speaker 1>the inside stories and claimed reporting of the NBA's banner franchise.

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<v Speaker 1>No doubt about that. It is the NBA's banner franchise.

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<v Speaker 1>And with us, I'm delighted to have Chad Finn, a

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<v Speaker 1>Boston Globe reporter. He's the editor of this book. This book,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe is actually out Tuesday, this past Tuesday. It's

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<v Speaker 1>out an available Chad, Welcome to Night's at How are.

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<v Speaker 2>You I'm good, Dan. Yeah, it came out Tuesday, and

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<v Speaker 2>I've had to get over my fear of public speaking

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<v Speaker 2>with a couple of book events here these first couple

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<v Speaker 2>of nights.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't imagine you have a fear of public speaking.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't believe that. So where are the book about

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit? Yeah, we're the book events.

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<v Speaker 2>I had one in plain Villa, Unlikely Story, which is fantastic,

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<v Speaker 2>and then one up and conquered me. I'm sure it

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<v Speaker 2>gets in those bookstore. So we've got a few more

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<v Speaker 2>lined up, a few in Boston here coming up to

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<v Speaker 2>taking those days.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is, this goes, this goes all the way

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<v Speaker 1>back to nineteen forty six, as the as people who

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<v Speaker 1>do some math will recognize. Pretty soon in a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years from now, the Celtics will be celebrating or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe even sort of that year number eighty. What a

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<v Speaker 1>great accomplishment over the these years. Look, it's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the storied franchises in for Montreal Canadians, the New York Yankees,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Boston Celtics. And I think those are the

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<v Speaker 1>top three, although not necessarily in that order. Tell us

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<v Speaker 1>about the variety of stories that date back all the

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<v Speaker 1>way to the nineteen forties.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm with you. I think that is the top three,

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<v Speaker 2>just iconic franchises. We did a book like this for

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<v Speaker 2>the Red Sox in twenty twenty three, and they came

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<v Speaker 2>around in nineteen oh one, so we had to dig

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<v Speaker 2>back even deeper. But maybe not a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>know this about the Globe, but the Globe was around

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<v Speaker 2>forty five years before the Red Sox even started, so

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<v Speaker 2>it was a pretty long history of covering all of

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<v Speaker 2>these teams from the very very beginning. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit easier to put together a Celtics book just

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<v Speaker 2>because it's fairly contemporary, going back to nineteen forty six.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all not eighty years yet. It's stuff people are

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<v Speaker 2>still pretty well aware of. So it was it was

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<v Speaker 2>fun to discover things I didn't know, but also revisit

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of things we do now.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, now you probably know a lot about the Celtics,

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<v Speaker 1>because again I know that you're a big sports guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me one story maybe that surprised you. That's in

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<v Speaker 1>the book. Because if you don't know the story, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>bet you ninety five percent in my audience doesn't know

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, one that really got me was Red Auerback was,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, the architect of the Celtics and genius for

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<v Speaker 2>decades until Rich Petino came along and then ninety seven

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<v Speaker 2>and kind of booted him to the side.

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<v Speaker 1>It's team president's not coming through that door. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>we're okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. Not a lot of Rick Patino in the book.

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<v Speaker 2>But Red didn't want bub Hoosy back in the early

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifties, whoso's the star at Holy Cross and phenomenal

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<v Speaker 2>college player. But Red thought he was too small and

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<v Speaker 2>that he wouldn't hold up in the NBA. And he

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<v Speaker 2>called him a local yocul and said, what would I

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<v Speaker 2>do with that guy? I'm trying to put together winning

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<v Speaker 2>basketball team. The Celtics ended up with him kind of,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess their will, almost in a dispersal draft, and

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<v Speaker 2>he turned out to be the Coup's greatest point guard

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<v Speaker 2>in early in being history. So you got to be

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<v Speaker 2>lucky too, I guess that's so I.

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<v Speaker 1>Read was a better coach than maybe a director of

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<v Speaker 1>player personnel. I got to tell you my one Rick

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<v Speaker 1>Patino story. I actually lived in the same time as

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<v Speaker 1>Patino for a while, and I coached his little boy.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how many little boys he had, but

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<v Speaker 1>one of his little boys in T ball, which of

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<v Speaker 1>course is a pretty low stress athletic situation, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was in the springtime, as you would expect me and

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<v Speaker 1>Patino stood in the outfield for every game. He must

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<v Speaker 1>have driven the kid to the game, stood in the

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<v Speaker 1>outfield every game on his phone. Never got off his phone,

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<v Speaker 1>never came in and said hello to the kids, never

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<v Speaker 1>or anything. I just thought that was a very weird. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And as a result, I know there are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of other stories about Rick Patinos, some of which we

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about, like some of those restaurant stories.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Just thought it was very weird.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I think that fits the irro against the

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<v Speaker 2>reputation that he had. He was probably on his phone

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<v Speaker 2>making a lot of bad traits because that's what he

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well yeah, So so look, you have some great writers.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody knows, Bob Ryan, Jackie mcmonllind Lee Montfield, Dan Shaughnessy,

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<v Speaker 1>the there are there some of the older writers who

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<v Speaker 1>maybe are not around to appreciate this book, but who

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<v Speaker 1>were writing in the sixties and fifties. Did they have

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<v Speaker 1>beat writers not in the forties and fifties. Did they

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<v Speaker 1>have beat writers back then?

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<v Speaker 2>Assigned to it appeared to be Yeah, beat writer. A

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<v Speaker 2>and was a really well regarded, well liked person in

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<v Speaker 2>the Boston sports community, covered the Celtics early.

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<v Speaker 1>You said, Jack Barry a r R Jack.

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<v Speaker 2>Barry, Yeah, b A R R.

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<v Speaker 1>Y remember reading him?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, his bylines on a lot of the early Bill

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<v Speaker 2>Russell stories. Another writer I thought was really fantastic, not

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<v Speaker 2>so much the early days, but later on in the

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Russell dynasty in the sixties Bob Sles, who went

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<v Speaker 2>on to be a sports edit at the Herald, but familiar. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he had a really nice writing style, a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more modern maybe than some of the writers who came

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<v Speaker 2>before him on that beat.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you have at least one story in there about

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<v Speaker 1>Johnny most I.

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<v Speaker 2>Hope there is one story in there about Johnny most

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<v Speaker 2>A profiled pretty early on. We had a really hard

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<v Speaker 2>time finding a photo of Johnny mose Young. We couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>find one. I think he might have been born at

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<v Speaker 2>fifty years old.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, oh that's a great story and of itself. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>not the story when he when he lit his pants

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<v Speaker 1>on fire up in the in the press box.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no, none of that. That's a that's

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<v Speaker 2>a favorite of the Boston sports media to tell among themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that old, that old press box at the Garden.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you have had a chance. That

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<v Speaker 1>you're much younger than I am. I'm sure never had

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to sit up there. But yep, it was

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<v Speaker 1>a great cat bird seat, that's for sure for hockey.

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<v Speaker 2>And hang over the ice on the court there, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>fantastic view. I don't know how safe it felt, but.

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<v Speaker 1>No it didn't. That absolutely didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>So so the book is called The Boston Globe Story

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<v Speaker 3>of the Boston The Boston Globe Story of the Celtics, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>and available right now from the Celtics nineteen forty six

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<v Speaker 3>to President, the inside Stories and aclaim reporter of the

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<v Speaker 3>NBA's ban of franchise, that's a great title.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the NBA's ban of franchise. Despite what the

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<v Speaker 1>Laker fans will say, I can remember at least I

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<v Speaker 1>think at least one or two of those Laker flags

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<v Speaker 1>were one I believe in many Minneapolis, if I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>Mistaken, Yes, at least a couple.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And so therefore all of our eighteen were in Boston,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's important. This is accounting for great uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>holiday gift, Christmas gift. If you're going to someone's home

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<v Speaker 1>for Thanksgiving, instead of a bottle of wine, bring this

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<v Speaker 1>book and you'll you people gather around the book, it'll

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<v Speaker 1>be you'll be the hit of the party. Chad Finn,

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy your stuff in the Globe all the time. And

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<v Speaker 1>I enjoyed a chance to catch up with your hair

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<v Speaker 1>and exchange a couple of funny stories. I really enjoy.

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<v Speaker 1>Appreciate you having.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan always great talking here.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, we'll talk again anytime. Thanks Chad Finn. Boston Globe.

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<v Speaker 1>The new book, The Boston Globe Story of the Celtics

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen four to President. The Inside Story is in acclaim

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<v Speaker 1>reporting of the NBA's batter franchise. All right, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>take a quick break here. When we come back, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about a very interesting story with John Lennehan.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the CEO of Zoo New England and Boston Zoogoers

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<v Speaker 1>will be able to recycle cell phones to help protect gorillas.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm interested as to how that story is gonna work out.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be back on Nightside right after this.

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<v Speaker 4>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window.

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<v Speaker 2>World night Side Studios.

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<v Speaker 1>On w b Z, the news Radio. Well, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>often that I get to talk with a personal friend

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<v Speaker 1>here on Nightside during the eight o'clock hour, but John Lennihan,

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<v Speaker 1>the CEO of Zoo New England, is a great personal friend. John.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to my program. Obviously you always welcome us to

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<v Speaker 1>the zoo. So now the tables are a little turn

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<v Speaker 1>How are you tonight.

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<v Speaker 5>Hi, Dan, It's a pleasure to be with you.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've seen this story here that you're asking people

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<v Speaker 1>to help gorillas at the Zoo New England. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>realize that gorillas actually could use cell phones. Only kidding, John,

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<v Speaker 1>and I knew that that in that that new Gorilla

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<v Speaker 1>is the most unbelievable, uh experience that I have ever had.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you literally are standing a foot and a

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<v Speaker 1>half away from gorillas. They're looking at you, You're looking

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<v Speaker 1>at them. They're safe and you're safe.

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<v Speaker 5>Us and actually you're entertaining them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, yeah, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 5>I was just gonna say, dan, uh that that really

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<v Speaker 5>this cell phone collection program is about saving and helping

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<v Speaker 5>gorillas in the wild, particularly in the Congo.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a.

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<v Speaker 5>Great program that allows everybody to become conservationists in a

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<v Speaker 1>So what's the connection with the cell phones? The cell

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<v Speaker 1>phones then flown over there and made available to.

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<v Speaker 5>Be happy to explain it. It's really that the cell

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<v Speaker 5>phones contain some really rare and valuable minerals that help

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<v Speaker 5>the electronics to work, and the primary source of them

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<v Speaker 5>is actually in the gorilla habitat, and so by recycling them,

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<v Speaker 5>you are helping to save gorillas in the wild because

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<v Speaker 5>this mining that takes place is extremely destructive to the

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<v Speaker 5>to the rainforest, but particularly the gorilla populations that live there.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting. Interesting, So you said this is in specifically in

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<v Speaker 5>That's correct, Yes, there there are great. There's a there's

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<v Speaker 5>a particular mineral called coaltan that is mined there. It's

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<v Speaker 5>mined in in very informal ways, but people move in

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<v Speaker 5>with their whole family, and not only is the habitat destroyed,

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<v Speaker 5>but but to feed their families, they are out hunting

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<v Speaker 5>all the animals in the forest as well. So gorillas

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<v Speaker 5>are killed and injured both directly and indirectly by the

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<v Speaker 5>people that go in there to try to feed their families.

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<v Speaker 5>But it's it's something where a lot of people get

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<v Speaker 5>hurt because it's very informal mining without any sort of

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<v Speaker 5>safety measures. And then this this coal tan is so

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<v Speaker 5>valuable that the cell phones that get recycled, it gets

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<v Speaker 5>taken out of them and put into other cell phones.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this or a mineral, however you would describe it,

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<v Speaker 1>I had never heard of it, John. How much of

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<v Speaker 1>it is in an every cell phone? You said it's

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<v Speaker 1>cold in like co lt something correct?

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<v Speaker 5>Correct? And that is a mineral that helps the electronics

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<v Speaker 5>to work much more efficiently. So it's used on I

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<v Speaker 5>think it's the capacitors and it makes the transmission work

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<v Speaker 5>much more efficiently. And it is key to every cell

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<v Speaker 5>phone that everybody has, and so by doing this we

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<v Speaker 5>you know, we've got collection bins that are out there

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<v Speaker 5>in schools and different organizations as well as at the

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<v Speaker 5>zoo every day, and people bring in their cell phones

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<v Speaker 5>and recycle them. We want people to use their cell

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<v Speaker 5>phones for as long as possible before they get rid

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<v Speaker 5>of them. But if they're going to get rid of them,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, this is a very efficient way to do it.

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<v Speaker 5>And we get a little bit of money which is

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<v Speaker 5>invested back into gorilla conservation in the wild. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>the zoo is, you know how deeply committed the zoo

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<v Speaker 5>is the conservation of wildlife, and this is one way

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<v Speaker 5>that anybody who has a cell phone can help us

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<v Speaker 1>You know what's what's great about the zoo is you

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<v Speaker 1>see the animals up close, obviously, but you have to

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<v Speaker 1>think as you do and realize that, look, these these

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<v Speaker 1>are wonderful creatures. They they're not you know, part of

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<v Speaker 1>the wildlife just here in Massachusetts or New Ekland or America.

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<v Speaker 1>That they exist in other parts of the world and

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<v Speaker 1>they face dangers as powerful as they are. You have

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<v Speaker 1>people out there who are trying to, you know, just

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<v Speaker 1>trying to make money off off of wild animals. So

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<v Speaker 1>here is an opportunity to really make an impact. Now

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how much coldan is at effort cell phone.

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<v Speaker 1>I assume it's not a heck of a lot, but

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<v Speaker 1>I assume everything.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't think it.

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<v Speaker 5>It does and it makes a real difference. And you know,

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<v Speaker 5>there are thousands of devices. We're part of a larger

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<v Speaker 5>group of zoos and other organizations that are trying to

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<v Speaker 5>collect these things and recycle them. We work through a

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<v Speaker 5>company called eco cell that is really committed to conservation

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<v Speaker 5>of gorillas. And when you protect the gorillas, you're you're

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<v Speaker 5>actually protecting all the other wildlife out there. And literally

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<v Speaker 5>tens of thousands of devices are collected each year. Last year,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, it was almost eighty thousand different devices that

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<v Speaker 5>could have cold tan extracted from them and recycled. So

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<v Speaker 5>it's a it's a really big effort, and yet it's easy.

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<v Speaker 5>It's it's you know, any organism, any school can take

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<v Speaker 5>one of our collection bins and collect phones. The main

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<v Speaker 5>program takes place from February first to September first, but

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<v Speaker 5>we have a receptacle at the zoo that's there every

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<v Speaker 5>day and we collect them year round, but it's something

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<v Speaker 5>that you know, people can really make a difference for

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<v Speaker 5>gorillas and other wildlife. As you know, we have a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of conservation work we're doing locally, and people who

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<v Speaker 5>are visiting the zoo can just bring their phone with them,

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<v Speaker 5>their old phone and drop it in the bin and

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<v Speaker 5>it's very easy, and they're helping us to make a

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<v Speaker 5>real difference here.

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<v Speaker 1>And I assume that they're concerned about privacy issues, they

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<v Speaker 1>can take the SIM card out or whatever like that.

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<v Speaker 5>That's exactly right that we want them to do that

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<v Speaker 5>before they bring them, and you know we can take

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<v Speaker 5>them out as well.

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<v Speaker 1>My last question, which is I always ask questions I

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<v Speaker 1>honestly don't know the answer to. I had never heard

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<v Speaker 1>of this mineral before. And if you know the answer, great.

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<v Speaker 1>How long has this mineral been involved? I mean, cell

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<v Speaker 1>phones now have been around what thirty years, I'm guessing

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<v Speaker 1>something like that in their most rudimentary form. How long

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<v Speaker 1>have we known that this mineral which was in cell

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<v Speaker 1>phones was such an important echo element that had to

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<v Speaker 1>be protected in the natural habitat? How long has this campaign.

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<v Speaker 5>Been Honestly, I cannot answer that we've been doing this

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<v Speaker 5>recycling for about the last six years in twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 5>But I don't know the answer to how long in

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<v Speaker 1>I just always I always ask probably one too many questions,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's what I'm trying to do, and people don't

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<v Speaker 1>realize we don't. We don't practice these interviews. These are

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<v Speaker 1>all live and they're spontaneous. John is always what's new

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<v Speaker 1>with the zoo, And I think people I saw zoo

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<v Speaker 1>lights are back up.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Boston lights at Franklin Park Zoo is people.

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<v Speaker 1>So I pardon for that full pot, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>of them as zool lights. Go ahead, John, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, we do the zoo lights that'll be coming up

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<v Speaker 5>shortly at Stone Zoo. That's more of a traditional holiday festivity,

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<v Speaker 5>but Boston Lights has till November three to get out

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<v Speaker 5>there and see it. But we also have a new

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<v Speaker 5>baby zebra that was born not too long ago. And

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<v Speaker 5>as you know, Dan, all the animals in the zoo,

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<v Speaker 5>other than a few rescues, are captive born multiple generation,

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<v Speaker 5>and this new baby zebra is joining another zebra fold

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<v Speaker 5>that we had born in April. And so we've got

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of activity going on at the zoo and

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of excitement and just tons of people who

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<v Speaker 5>are coming out with this beautiful weather we've had, and

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<v Speaker 5>both day and night to see the animals and to

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<v Speaker 5>see the lights at night.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's great. John Lenhan, Zoo, New England, not only

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<v Speaker 1>the Franklin Park Zoo but the zoo up in Stoneham

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<v Speaker 1>Stoneam Zoo, two great facilities. It's worth a trip to both. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 5>And anybody who wants who would like a recycling ben

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<v Speaker 5>can contact us through our website and we are excited

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<v Speaker 5>to have you as a partner in this program.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds great. John Lennahan, CEO, Zoo New England. Thank you, John.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say to every bank you Dan all righty pleasure

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<v Speaker 1>by all right, wee come back. We're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it more serious. Well it's not a serious issue,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's a more personal issue for a lot of people,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is what's called Sober October and the Sober

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<v Speaker 1>Curious movement. Going to talk with doctor George Coop, director

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<v Speaker 1>of the National Institute of Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism. Coming

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<v Speaker 1>back on Nightside right after the News at the bottom

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<v Speaker 1>of the hour.

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<v Speaker 2>You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ News. Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, as we leave the summer season and we move

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<v Speaker 1>into the fall, and pretty much we move into the

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<v Speaker 1>party time of the year. We're inside and we're enjoying

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<v Speaker 1>each other's company at Halloween parties and Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays,

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<v Speaker 1>on New Year's Jewish Jewish holidays oftentimes some of us

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<v Speaker 1>might on occasion over and vibe with us is doctor

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<v Speaker 1>George Coop. He is the director of the National Institute

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<v Speaker 1>of Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism and he's going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about sober October and what's called now the sober Curious movement.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Coop, Welcome to Night's Side. Sober October. Well, that rhymes,

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't know if it's just for the rhyme

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<v Speaker 1>or not, or if this is the time of year

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<v Speaker 1>when people do start to take assessment of how much

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<v Speaker 1>they're drinking and under what circumstances.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Hi, thanks for having me, And yes, Sober October

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<v Speaker 2>is an opportunity to evaluate your relationship with alcohol. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you stop drinking for an x amount of time,

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<v Speaker 2>and what I use as a metric, if you start

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<v Speaker 2>feeling better, you start sleeping better, your relationship with your

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<v Speaker 2>loved ones is getting better. You're more likely to get

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<v Speaker 2>to work on time, finish your jobs on time. Then

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<v Speaker 2>you should pay attention. And your body is trying to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you something, so you may want to listen to

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So there's another element here, and it's called the

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<v Speaker 1>sober curious movement. I think I know what that is,

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<v Speaker 1>what that means, But why don't you explain it. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure you are much more informed about it than I am.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think it incorporates sober October, dry January, but

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<v Speaker 2>also the issue of alternates to alcohol in celebratory events.

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<v Speaker 2>We have now mocktails that are sold at many restaurants.

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<v Speaker 2>There are dry bars where you can go, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things we advocate is it in any

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<v Speaker 2>celebration where beverages containing alcohol are served. It's always a

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<v Speaker 2>great idea and really a kind thing to do and

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<v Speaker 2>a healthy thing to do to have non alcohol containing

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<v Speaker 2>beverages available for anyone that wants them, even someone who

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<v Speaker 2>wants to make sure they're not drinking too much. But

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<v Speaker 2>someone who you know, just doesn't want to m vibe

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<v Speaker 2>because the next day they have a big report to

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<v Speaker 2>do or a huge job that they got to work on,

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<v Speaker 2>and they want to be at full steam.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a growing attitude towards alcohol in the country.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we did go through the prohibition era about

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred years ago and the country turned away from

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<v Speaker 1>non alcoholic activities. And it's always been a big part

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<v Speaker 1>just wondering, are there any trends that are suggesting the

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<v Speaker 1>young people are now having second thoughts about a lifestyle

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<v Speaker 1>that is infused with alcohol. Are there are there any

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<v Speaker 1>studies of trends that you could tell us about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there seems to be pretty good evidence that Generation

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<v Speaker 2>Z is more interested in a healthy lifestyle, which means

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<v Speaker 2>less partaking of alcohol, you know, outside the moderate levels.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I think we have seen for twenty

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<v Speaker 2>years now a decrease in underage drinking, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the good news. The bad news is, to be

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<v Speaker 2>honest with you, is that women now in the underage

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<v Speaker 2>group and also twenty one to twenty six year old

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<v Speaker 2>group are actually drinking more than men for the first

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<v Speaker 2>time in history. And that's been going on now for

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<v Speaker 2>three to five years. So there's a whole bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>shifting trends. We also have a much los to increase

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<v Speaker 2>in drinking and the elder popular population individuals over sixty five,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's probably a cohort effect, but there's so many

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<v Speaker 2>of them because of you know, the baby boomers, that

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<v Speaker 2>we're seeing large increase in drinking in more aged population.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, there's a multiple things going on at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time. But I think that the general trend

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<v Speaker 2>with young people is we want a healthier lifestyle and

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<v Speaker 2>we want to you know moderate.

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<v Speaker 1>What is causing young women, young women particularly to to

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<v Speaker 1>im buy more than their male counterparts.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, they're even been drinking more more than males.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I suspect it. You know, it's a whole series

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<v Speaker 2>of issues, mostly cultural that women are a major part

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<v Speaker 2>of the workforce. Now they do what men do, so

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<v Speaker 2>they're celebrating with men there. You know, when the group

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<v Speaker 2>goes out to drink, they go out to drink with them.

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<v Speaker 2>That was not the case for many years and and

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<v Speaker 2>I and I suspected that that's that's part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>The negative side of all this, though, is that women

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<v Speaker 2>are more susceptible to the deleterious effects of alcohol, so

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<v Speaker 2>they tend to have you know, more likely to get

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<v Speaker 2>the pathology associated with alcohol, with liver disease, more likely

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<v Speaker 2>to have you know, you know, depression and anxiety, which

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<v Speaker 2>can be exacerbated by excessive drinking, more likely in some

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<v Speaker 2>cases to advance through the stages toward an alcohol use

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<v Speaker 2>disorder faster than men. So all of these things, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they end up with more hospitalizations and they get less

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<v Speaker 2>treatment than men. So there's there's a whole series of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, risk cost difference between men and women that

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<v Speaker 2>makes the increase in drinking and women particularly problematic.

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<v Speaker 1>So let me ask you a question for those in

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<v Speaker 1>the audience right now who are listening and say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I do I have an occasional this or

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<v Speaker 1>an occasional that, and maybe have a couple of these

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<v Speaker 1>occasional things. What is the standard that your organization feels

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<v Speaker 1>is a safe level? Or is there a safe level

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<v Speaker 1>at which people can use but not abuse liquor alcohol

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<v Speaker 1>be or y? Is there is there any sort.

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<v Speaker 2>Of Yeah, So we tend to go with the cd

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<v Speaker 2>the not the CDC, the the Department of Agricultures. Okay, Now,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the Department of Agriculture that sets the dietary guidelines,

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<v Speaker 2>and so the dietary guidelines are two drinks a day

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<v Speaker 2>for men and one drink a day for women. No

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<v Speaker 2>more than you know, fourteen a week for men, no

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<v Speaker 2>more than seven for women. I mean, these are guidelines. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>they're not.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I totally understand that. But I don't want people

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<v Speaker 1>who are listening, if they're doing a lot more, not

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<v Speaker 1>to be aware of those guidelines. And if there are

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<v Speaker 1>people who are below those guidelines, I don't want people

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<v Speaker 1>to think, well, you know, I need to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to drink more. Look, if that's what it is, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, those are the US Department of Agriculture guidelines. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think I should mention that basically, the risk with

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<v Speaker 2>alcohol goes up with the more you drink, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>just some people who shouldn't drink if you're pregnant, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're thinking about getting pregnant, if you already have compromise

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<v Speaker 2>liver function. You know, the elderly who are taking lots

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<v Speaker 2>of medications that are sedative drugs that you know, sleeping

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<v Speaker 2>pills or anti anxiety pills, or even opioids for pain,

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<v Speaker 2>all of those mixed with alcohol in a bad way.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a tough that's a bad That is definitely a

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<v Speaker 1>bad mix, Doctor Coop. I appreciate you taking the time.

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<v Speaker 1>How can folks get more information on this? There must

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<v Speaker 1>be a website you could direct this too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's very simple. If you just type in an

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<v Speaker 2>I A A A, you'll on the first or second line.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll come to our website and there's lots of really

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<v Speaker 2>cool information there. There's a box on the front tells

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<v Speaker 2>you all the stats I've been going through.

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<v Speaker 1>Good. Well, that's it. Yeah, a lot of people are

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<v Speaker 1>driving right at this hour of the night, and so

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<v Speaker 1>they can check them out tomorrow, later this evening or

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<v Speaker 1>over the weekend again. The National Institute of Alcohol Abuse

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<v Speaker 1>and Alcoholism H five letters NI AAA or NI triple

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<v Speaker 1>A would be another quick way to remember. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>very much, doctor George Koop, Thank you, sir.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Dan, Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 1>You're very welcome. We come back on and talk about

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<v Speaker 1>another serious issue, and that's World of Mental Health Day.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it is. Today. We're gonna be talking with

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<v Speaker 1>an author, doctor Helen mckibbon coming back. She's an author

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<v Speaker 1>and a therapist. Me back on Nightside. Now back to

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Ray Live from the Window, World Night Side Studios

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<v Speaker 1>on WBZ News Radio. Well, today is World Mental Health Day.

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<v Speaker 1>I was not aware that it's World Mental Health Day,

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<v Speaker 1>but this tells me it is, uh and I'm about

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<v Speaker 1>to interview doctor Helen mckibbon, who's an author of a

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<v Speaker 1>book called Drop Making Great Decisions. And I also believe

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<v Speaker 1>doctor McKinnon that maybe folks can start to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>how they know if they're okay? Is there actually something

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<v Speaker 1>called an okay scale? This article would suggest that exists.

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<v Speaker 1>I was unaware of that.

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<v Speaker 4>Whether you're okay or not is very much dependent on

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<v Speaker 4>what I call a feeling disease in art society that

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<v Speaker 4>affects depression, anxiety, and substance abuse. And that scale, if

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<v Speaker 4>you will, is dependent on if you emerge from into childhood,

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<v Speaker 4>from a childhood into adulthood with self trust and trusting

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<v Speaker 4>your thoughts, feelings and ideas people read you is very

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<v Speaker 4>solid and that they can't knock you off balance. You're okay,

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<v Speaker 4>You're stable if, however, in your gears of development, you

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<v Speaker 4>don't get enough reinforcement for listening to that feeling part

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<v Speaker 4>of you, that thought or idea. You emerge into adulthood

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<v Speaker 4>reading other people for what do you should feel, what

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<v Speaker 4>you should say, and what you should do instead of yourself?

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<v Speaker 4>And that is not okay. People can smell it. People

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<v Speaker 4>use it against you, particularly at work or in applying

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<v Speaker 4>poor jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So I just listened to that explanation, and it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds to me when we reduce that explanation to its

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<v Speaker 1>or that what you're saying is it's better to be

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<v Speaker 1>yourself than to try to be someone you're not.

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely okay, tell us why that's important.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me use the example of an individual who's emerged

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<v Speaker 4>into adulthood not listening to themselves. They go for a

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<v Speaker 4>job interview, and the person reads that's interviewing them reads

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<v Speaker 4>that they need accolades from them or they're dependent on

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<v Speaker 4>their point of view. The interview or sees the person

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<v Speaker 4>flipping into reading and trying to please the interviewer, and

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<v Speaker 4>that person who's interviewing them goes, ah, I've got their number.

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<v Speaker 4>I can get them to do whatever I want. I

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<v Speaker 4>can use them, I can break their boundaries, I can

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<v Speaker 4>call them day or not. I can use them to

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<v Speaker 4>do whatever the work I want us. They get into

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<v Speaker 4>the job with not listening to themselves and self doubt

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<v Speaker 4>and the employees around them start coming to them and saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>can you do this work for me? I want to

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<v Speaker 4>leave early, or start bullying them or gas lighting them,

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<v Speaker 4>or coming to them for hours talking about personal problems.

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<v Speaker 4>It is not okay, as you said earlier, because it's

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<v Speaker 4>people's read of you that determines if you're going to

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<v Speaker 4>end up with costly disabilities like that building stress or

567
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<v Speaker 4>interaction with other people leading to depression, anxiety, and substance abuse,

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<v Speaker 4>which is causing our nation mental health lives trillions of dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? Is that condition as you describe it, is that correctable?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes? And that is what my book is about. And

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<v Speaker 4>that's my life's work, Dan, that I created a simple

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<v Speaker 4>neuroscience method. So the individual who finds themselves in situations

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<v Speaker 4>where they keep getting employed by the same people and

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<v Speaker 4>people aren't treating them well as coworkers, they go, what

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<v Speaker 4>am I doing wrong? Then they come to resources like

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<v Speaker 4>podcasts or books and say, what am I doing wrong?

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<v Speaker 4>My life's work is giving them a simple neurological based

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<v Speaker 4>method to reverse themselves back to listening to their first feeling,

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<v Speaker 4>thought or idea and emerging into adulthood by listening to

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<v Speaker 4>the brain in the way it's already designed to make

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<v Speaker 4>great decisions, thus have self confidence, and they can't be

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<v Speaker 4>knocked off balanced.

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<v Speaker 1>How is this condition recognized or recognizable by the individual

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<v Speaker 1>who has lived that way for many, many years. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you've break your leg, you have a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good idea that you're broken your leg, right, But

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<v Speaker 1>when you're talking about someone's mental health, how did they

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<v Speaker 1>figure out on their own that they first have a problem.

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<v Speaker 4>Growd brains are designed to be pretty pliable until earlier

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<v Speaker 4>mid twenties, and then the unhappiness or the way we're

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<v Speaker 4>being treated or the stress that cause starts to build.

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<v Speaker 4>And by the mid to late twenties we are starting

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<v Speaker 4>to experience anxiety or depression or substance abuse, eating disorders,

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<v Speaker 4>panic disorders, and we go, what is wrong with me?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a nice person, I'm a hard worker. How come

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<v Speaker 4>people are treating me this way? How can I keep

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<v Speaker 4>getting these same kind of bosses who try to use

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<v Speaker 4>me or walk all over me. That's the recognition that

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<v Speaker 4>they finally get as they move into their late twenties thirties.

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<v Speaker 4>That's when they reach out for help and go, what

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<v Speaker 4>am I doing wrong?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Now, your book is entitled Drop Making Great Decisions

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<v Speaker 1>by doctor Helen mckibbon. Is this available? Has it just

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<v Speaker 1>come out? Has it been out for a while? Tell

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<v Speaker 1>us real quickly how easily people can get that book

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<v Speaker 1>if they would like.

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<v Speaker 4>There was launch May fourteenth, twenty twenty four. It is

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<v Speaker 4>available Amazon, Barnes and Noble. It is available through my

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<v Speaker 4>website Helen mckibbon dot com, which also gives all of

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<v Speaker 4>your listeners open view into how to use this method

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<v Speaker 4>to rewire the brain back to the default of listening

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<v Speaker 4>to your own thoughts, feelings, and ideas and getting respected

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<v Speaker 4>by other people, not walked all over in adulthood. That's

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<v Speaker 4>great website, MCKI you access.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Doctor Helen McKibben, an author and therapist. The book

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<v Speaker 1>drop colon Making Great Decisions by doctor Helen mckibbon. Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for joining us tonight. Very interesting conversation. I enjoyed it

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, thanks for having me, Dan.

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<v Speaker 1>You're welcome. You're very welcome. When we get back, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about the Massachusetts questions Massachusetts ballot question

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<v Speaker 1>number five giving tipped workers the state minimum wage. It's

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting question. And it's one that people should get

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<v Speaker 1>enough information on so they can make a decision about it.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be talking with Steve Clark, the president and CEO

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<v Speaker 1>of the Massachusetts Restaurant Association, right after the nine o'clock

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<v Speaker 1>news