Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z,
Speaker 1: Boston's news radio. Thanks very much, Nicole. As we head
Speaker 1: into this a Thursday night, my name is Dan Ray.
Speaker 1: Just try to look out and see if I can
Speaker 1: see the northern lights And no, I didn't see them
Speaker 1: at all. Just dark, just dark where I am, that's
Speaker 1: for sure. My name's Dan Ray, host of Nightside, heard
Speaker 1: every weeknight right here in WBZ from eight until ten o'clock,
Speaker 1: eight until midnight. Excuse me, eight until midnight only if
Speaker 1: it were eight until ten o'clock. No, only kidding. Dan
Speaker 1: and Rob are back in the control room double teaming
Speaker 1: with producers tonight, which always makes life interesting most of
Speaker 1: the time easier, but makes it always interesting. We have
Speaker 1: a couple of big topics we'll deal with later on tonight.
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about mass ballot question number five
Speaker 1: that proposes giving tipped workers here in Massachusetts state minimum wage.
Speaker 1: It's a little more complicated than that, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: be talking with Steve Clark, the president and CEO of
Speaker 1: the Massachusetts Restaurant Association, and then we're gonna help all
Speaker 1: of you overcome the fear of public speaking, gloss of
Speaker 1: phobia I had never heard of the word before. Gloss
Speaker 1: of phobia is one of the most common fears of
Speaker 1: phobia's and it effects an estimated seventy five percent of people.
Speaker 1: And we'll have a very special author and transformational speaking
Speaker 1: coach with us who we've had on before, Linda Ugolo.
Speaker 1: So we've got an interesting night coming up. We start
Speaker 1: off with a very interesting guest and a very interesting topic.
Speaker 1: The Bruins are underway tonight. A couple of weeks from now,
Speaker 1: the Celtics will be underway, and of course they have
Speaker 1: the additional opportunity to defend Banner eighteen and maybe look
Speaker 1: for Banner nineteen. And there's a new book out the
Speaker 1: Boston Globe, Story of the Celtics nineteen forty six to President,
Speaker 1: the inside stories and claimed reporting of the NBA's banner franchise.
Speaker 1: No doubt about that. It is the NBA's banner franchise.
Speaker 1: And with us, I'm delighted to have Chad Finn, a
Speaker 1: Boston Globe reporter. He's the editor of this book. This book,
Speaker 1: I believe is actually out Tuesday, this past Tuesday. It's
Speaker 1: out an available Chad, Welcome to Night's at How are.
Speaker 2: You I'm good, Dan. Yeah, it came out Tuesday, and
Speaker 2: I've had to get over my fear of public speaking
Speaker 2: with a couple of book events here these first couple
Speaker 2: of nights.
Speaker 1: I don't imagine you have a fear of public speaking.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that. So where are the book about
Speaker 1: a little bit? Yeah, we're the book events.
Speaker 2: I had one in plain Villa, Unlikely Story, which is fantastic,
Speaker 2: and then one up and conquered me. I'm sure it
Speaker 2: gets in those bookstore. So we've got a few more
Speaker 2: lined up, a few in Boston here coming up to
Speaker 2: taking those days.
Speaker 1: So this is, this goes, this goes all the way
Speaker 1: back to nineteen forty six, as the as people who
Speaker 1: do some math will recognize. Pretty soon in a couple
Speaker 1: of years from now, the Celtics will be celebrating or
Speaker 1: maybe even sort of that year number eighty. What a
Speaker 1: great accomplishment over the these years. Look, it's one of
Speaker 1: the storied franchises in for Montreal Canadians, the New York Yankees,
Speaker 1: and the Boston Celtics. And I think those are the
Speaker 1: top three, although not necessarily in that order. Tell us
Speaker 1: about the variety of stories that date back all the
Speaker 1: way to the nineteen forties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. I think that is the top three,
Speaker 2: just iconic franchises. We did a book like this for
Speaker 2: the Red Sox in twenty twenty three, and they came
Speaker 2: around in nineteen oh one, so we had to dig
Speaker 2: back even deeper. But maybe not a lot of people
Speaker 2: know this about the Globe, but the Globe was around
Speaker 2: forty five years before the Red Sox even started, so
Speaker 2: it was a pretty long history of covering all of
Speaker 2: these teams from the very very beginning. It was a
Speaker 2: little bit easier to put together a Celtics book just
Speaker 2: because it's fairly contemporary, going back to nineteen forty six.
Speaker 2: It's all not eighty years yet. It's stuff people are
Speaker 2: still pretty well aware of. So it was it was
Speaker 2: fun to discover things I didn't know, but also revisit
Speaker 2: a lot of things we do now.
Speaker 1: Okay, now you probably know a lot about the Celtics,
Speaker 1: because again I know that you're a big sports guy.
Speaker 1: Tell me one story maybe that surprised you. That's in
Speaker 1: the book. Because if you don't know the story, I'll
Speaker 1: bet you ninety five percent in my audience doesn't know
Speaker 1: the story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one that really got me was Red Auerback was,
Speaker 2: of course, the architect of the Celtics and genius for
Speaker 2: decades until Rich Petino came along and then ninety seven
Speaker 2: and kind of booted him to the side.
Speaker 1: It's team president's not coming through that door. Okay, so
Speaker 1: we're okay.
Speaker 2: Exactly. Not a lot of Rick Patino in the book.
Speaker 2: But Red didn't want bub Hoosy back in the early
Speaker 2: nineteen fifties, whoso's the star at Holy Cross and phenomenal
Speaker 2: college player. But Red thought he was too small and
Speaker 2: that he wouldn't hold up in the NBA. And he
Speaker 2: called him a local yocul and said, what would I
Speaker 2: do with that guy? I'm trying to put together winning
Speaker 2: basketball team. The Celtics ended up with him kind of,
Speaker 2: I guess their will, almost in a dispersal draft, and
Speaker 2: he turned out to be the Coup's greatest point guard
Speaker 2: in early in being history. So you got to be
Speaker 2: lucky too, I guess that's so I.
Speaker 1: Read was a better coach than maybe a director of
Speaker 1: player personnel. I got to tell you my one Rick
Speaker 1: Patino story. I actually lived in the same time as
Speaker 1: Patino for a while, and I coached his little boy.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many little boys he had, but
Speaker 1: one of his little boys in T ball, which of
Speaker 1: course is a pretty low stress athletic situation, and it
Speaker 1: was in the springtime, as you would expect me and
Speaker 1: Patino stood in the outfield for every game. He must
Speaker 1: have driven the kid to the game, stood in the
Speaker 1: outfield every game on his phone. Never got off his phone,
Speaker 1: never came in and said hello to the kids, never
Speaker 1: came over and said hey, thanks very much for coaching
Speaker 1: or anything. I just thought that was a very weird. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And as a result, I know there are a lot
Speaker 1: of other stories about Rick Patinos, some of which we
Speaker 1: can't talk about here on WBC if you know what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, like some of those restaurant stories.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Just thought it was very weird.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that fits the irro against the
Speaker 2: reputation that he had. He was probably on his phone
Speaker 2: making a lot of bad traits because that's what he
Speaker 2: did when he was there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well yeah, So so look, you have some great writers.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows, Bob Ryan, Jackie mcmonllind Lee Montfield, Dan Shaughnessy,
Speaker 1: back to Holmes, Gary Washburn, Adam Himmel's back some of
Speaker 1: the there are there some of the older writers who
Speaker 1: maybe are not around to appreciate this book, but who
Speaker 1: were writing in the sixties and fifties. Did they have
Speaker 1: beat writers not in the forties and fifties. Did they
Speaker 1: have beat writers back then?
Speaker 2: Assigned to it appeared to be Yeah, beat writer. A
Speaker 2: guy named Jack Barry, who also covered the Red Sox
Speaker 2: and was a really well regarded, well liked person in
Speaker 2: the Boston sports community, covered the Celtics early.
Speaker 1: You said, Jack Barry a r R Jack.
Speaker 2: Barry, Yeah, b A R R.
Speaker 1: Y remember reading him?
Speaker 2: Yeah, his bylines on a lot of the early Bill
Speaker 2: Russell stories. Another writer I thought was really fantastic, not
Speaker 2: so much the early days, but later on in the
Speaker 2: Bill Russell dynasty in the sixties Bob Sles, who went
Speaker 2: on to be a sports edit at the Herald, but familiar. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: he had a really nice writing style, a little bit
Speaker 2: more modern maybe than some of the writers who came
Speaker 2: before him on that beat.
Speaker 1: Did you have at least one story in there about
Speaker 1: Johnny most I.
Speaker 2: Hope there is one story in there about Johnny most
Speaker 2: A profiled pretty early on. We had a really hard
Speaker 2: time finding a photo of Johnny mose Young. We couldn't
Speaker 2: find one. I think he might have been born at
Speaker 2: fifty years old.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, oh that's a great story and of itself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not the story when he when he lit his pants
Speaker 1: on fire up in the in the press box.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, none of that. That's a that's
Speaker 2: a favorite of the Boston sports media to tell among themselves.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 1: Well, that old, that old press box at the Garden.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have had a chance. That
Speaker 1: you're much younger than I am. I'm sure never had
Speaker 1: a chance to sit up there. But yep, it was
Speaker 1: a great cat bird seat, that's for sure for hockey.
Speaker 2: And hang over the ice on the court there, Yeah,
Speaker 2: fantastic view. I don't know how safe it felt, but.
Speaker 1: No it didn't. That absolutely didn't.
Speaker 3: So so the book is called The Boston Globe Story
Speaker 3: of the Boston The Boston Globe Story of the Celtics, Okay,
Speaker 3: and available right now from the Celtics nineteen forty six
Speaker 3: to President, the inside Stories and aclaim reporter of the
Speaker 3: NBA's ban of franchise, that's a great title.
Speaker 1: It is the NBA's ban of franchise. Despite what the
Speaker 1: Laker fans will say, I can remember at least I
Speaker 1: think at least one or two of those Laker flags
Speaker 1: were one I believe in many Minneapolis, if I'm not.
Speaker 2: Mistaken, Yes, at least a couple.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so therefore all of our eighteen were in Boston,
Speaker 1: and that's important. This is accounting for great uh, you know,
Speaker 1: holiday gift, Christmas gift. If you're going to someone's home
Speaker 1: for Thanksgiving, instead of a bottle of wine, bring this
Speaker 1: book and you'll you people gather around the book, it'll
Speaker 1: be you'll be the hit of the party. Chad Finn,
Speaker 1: enjoy your stuff in the Globe all the time. And
Speaker 1: I enjoyed a chance to catch up with your hair
Speaker 1: and exchange a couple of funny stories. I really enjoy.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you having.
Speaker 2: Dan always great talking here.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we'll talk again anytime. Thanks Chad Finn. Boston Globe.
Speaker 1: The new book, The Boston Globe Story of the Celtics
Speaker 1: nineteen four to President. The Inside Story is in acclaim
Speaker 1: reporting of the NBA's batter franchise. All right, we're gonna
Speaker 1: take a quick break here. When we come back, we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about a very interesting story with John Lennehan.
Speaker 1: He's the CEO of Zoo New England and Boston Zoogoers
Speaker 1: will be able to recycle cell phones to help protect gorillas.
Speaker 1: I'm interested as to how that story is gonna work out.
Speaker 1: We'll be back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 4: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window.
Speaker 2: World night Side Studios.
Speaker 1: On w b Z, the news Radio. Well, it's not
Speaker 1: often that I get to talk with a personal friend
Speaker 1: here on Nightside during the eight o'clock hour, but John Lennihan,
Speaker 1: the CEO of Zoo New England, is a great personal friend. John.
Speaker 1: Welcome to my program. Obviously you always welcome us to
Speaker 1: the zoo. So now the tables are a little turn
Speaker 1: How are you tonight.
Speaker 5: Hi, Dan, It's a pleasure to be with you.
Speaker 1: So I've seen this story here that you're asking people
Speaker 1: to donate their cell phone or cell phone to the
Speaker 1: to help gorillas at the Zoo New England. I didn't
Speaker 1: realize that gorillas actually could use cell phones. Only kidding, John,
Speaker 1: and I knew that that in that that new Gorilla
Speaker 1: uh Den whatever habitat, which is spectacular for anyone who
Speaker 1: wants to visit the zoo. You can't miss it. It
Speaker 1: is the most unbelievable, uh experience that I have ever had.
Speaker 1: I mean, you literally are standing a foot and a
Speaker 1: half away from gorillas. They're looking at you, You're looking
Speaker 1: at them. They're safe and you're safe.
Speaker 5: Us and actually you're entertaining them.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 5: I was just gonna say, dan, uh that that really
Speaker 5: this cell phone collection program is about saving and helping
Speaker 5: gorillas in the wild, particularly in the Congo.
Speaker 2: So it's a.
Speaker 5: Great program that allows everybody to become conservationists in a
Speaker 5: very direct sense.
Speaker 1: So what's the connection with the cell phones? The cell
Speaker 1: phones then flown over there and made available to.
Speaker 5: Be happy to explain it. It's really that the cell
Speaker 5: phones contain some really rare and valuable minerals that help
Speaker 5: the electronics to work, and the primary source of them
Speaker 5: is actually in the gorilla habitat, and so by recycling them,
Speaker 5: you are helping to save gorillas in the wild because
Speaker 5: this mining that takes place is extremely destructive to the
Speaker 5: to the rainforest, but particularly the gorilla populations that live there.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Interesting, So you said this is in specifically in
Speaker 1: the Congo.
Speaker 5: That's correct, Yes, there there are great. There's a there's
Speaker 5: a particular mineral called coaltan that is mined there. It's
Speaker 5: mined in in very informal ways, but people move in
Speaker 5: with their whole family, and not only is the habitat destroyed,
Speaker 5: but but to feed their families, they are out hunting
Speaker 5: all the animals in the forest as well. So gorillas
Speaker 5: are killed and injured both directly and indirectly by the
Speaker 5: people that go in there to try to feed their families.
Speaker 5: But it's it's something where a lot of people get
Speaker 5: hurt because it's very informal mining without any sort of
Speaker 5: safety measures. And then this this coal tan is so
Speaker 5: valuable that the cell phones that get recycled, it gets
Speaker 5: taken out of them and put into other cell phones.
Speaker 1: Now this or a mineral, however you would describe it,
Speaker 1: I had never heard of it, John. How much of
Speaker 1: it is in an every cell phone? You said it's
Speaker 1: cold in like co lt something correct?
Speaker 5: Correct? And that is a mineral that helps the electronics
Speaker 5: to work much more efficiently. So it's used on I
Speaker 5: think it's the capacitors and it makes the transmission work
Speaker 5: much more efficiently. And it is key to every cell
Speaker 5: phone that everybody has, and so by doing this we
Speaker 5: you know, we've got collection bins that are out there
Speaker 5: in schools and different organizations as well as at the
Speaker 5: zoo every day, and people bring in their cell phones
Speaker 5: and recycle them. We want people to use their cell
Speaker 5: phones for as long as possible before they get rid
Speaker 5: of them. But if they're going to get rid of them,
Speaker 5: you know, this is a very efficient way to do it.
Speaker 5: And we get a little bit of money which is
Speaker 5: invested back into gorilla conservation in the wild. So, you know,
Speaker 5: the zoo is, you know how deeply committed the zoo
Speaker 5: is the conservation of wildlife, and this is one way
Speaker 5: that anybody who has a cell phone can help us
Speaker 5: do that.
Speaker 1: You know what's what's great about the zoo is you
Speaker 1: see the animals up close, obviously, but you have to
Speaker 1: think as you do and realize that, look, these these
Speaker 1: are wonderful creatures. They they're not you know, part of
Speaker 1: the wildlife just here in Massachusetts or New Ekland or America.
Speaker 1: That they exist in other parts of the world and
Speaker 1: they face dangers as powerful as they are. You have
Speaker 1: people out there who are trying to, you know, just
Speaker 1: trying to make money off off of wild animals. So
Speaker 1: here is an opportunity to really make an impact. Now
Speaker 1: I don't know how much coldan is at effort cell phone.
Speaker 1: I assume it's not a heck of a lot, but
Speaker 1: I assume everything.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think it.
Speaker 5: It does and it makes a real difference. And you know,
Speaker 5: there are thousands of devices. We're part of a larger
Speaker 5: group of zoos and other organizations that are trying to
Speaker 5: collect these things and recycle them. We work through a
Speaker 5: company called eco cell that is really committed to conservation
Speaker 5: of gorillas. And when you protect the gorillas, you're you're
Speaker 5: actually protecting all the other wildlife out there. And literally
Speaker 5: tens of thousands of devices are collected each year. Last year,
Speaker 5: you know, it was almost eighty thousand different devices that
Speaker 5: could have cold tan extracted from them and recycled. So
Speaker 5: it's a it's a really big effort, and yet it's easy.
Speaker 5: It's it's you know, any organism, any school can take
Speaker 5: one of our collection bins and collect phones. The main
Speaker 5: program takes place from February first to September first, but
Speaker 5: we have a receptacle at the zoo that's there every
Speaker 5: day and we collect them year round, but it's something
Speaker 5: that you know, people can really make a difference for
Speaker 5: gorillas and other wildlife. As you know, we have a
Speaker 5: lot of conservation work we're doing locally, and people who
Speaker 5: are visiting the zoo can just bring their phone with them,
Speaker 5: their old phone and drop it in the bin and
Speaker 5: it's very easy, and they're helping us to make a
Speaker 5: real difference here.
Speaker 1: And I assume that they're concerned about privacy issues, they
Speaker 1: can take the SIM card out or whatever like that.
Speaker 5: That's exactly right that we want them to do that
Speaker 5: before they bring them, and you know we can take
Speaker 5: them out as well.
Speaker 1: My last question, which is I always ask questions I
Speaker 1: honestly don't know the answer to. I had never heard
Speaker 1: of this mineral before. And if you know the answer, great.
Speaker 1: How long has this mineral been involved? I mean, cell
Speaker 1: phones now have been around what thirty years, I'm guessing
Speaker 1: something like that in their most rudimentary form. How long
Speaker 1: have we known that this mineral which was in cell
Speaker 1: phones was such an important echo element that had to
Speaker 1: be protected in the natural habitat? How long has this campaign.
Speaker 5: Been Honestly, I cannot answer that we've been doing this
Speaker 5: recycling for about the last six years in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 5: But I don't know the answer to how long in
Speaker 5: the cell phone.
Speaker 1: I just always I always ask probably one too many questions,
Speaker 1: but that's what I'm trying to do, and people don't
Speaker 1: realize we don't. We don't practice these interviews. These are
Speaker 1: all live and they're spontaneous. John is always what's new
Speaker 1: with the zoo, And I think people I saw zoo
Speaker 1: lights are back up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Boston lights at Franklin Park Zoo is people.
Speaker 1: So I pardon for that full pot, but I think
Speaker 1: of them as zool lights. Go ahead, John, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: Well, we do the zoo lights that'll be coming up
Speaker 5: shortly at Stone Zoo. That's more of a traditional holiday festivity,
Speaker 5: but Boston Lights has till November three to get out
Speaker 5: there and see it. But we also have a new
Speaker 5: baby zebra that was born not too long ago. And
Speaker 5: as you know, Dan, all the animals in the zoo,
Speaker 5: other than a few rescues, are captive born multiple generation,
Speaker 5: and this new baby zebra is joining another zebra fold
Speaker 5: that we had born in April. And so we've got
Speaker 5: a lot of activity going on at the zoo and
Speaker 5: a lot of excitement and just tons of people who
Speaker 5: are coming out with this beautiful weather we've had, and
Speaker 5: both day and night to see the animals and to
Speaker 5: see the lights at night.
Speaker 1: Oh that's great. John Lenhan, Zoo, New England, not only
Speaker 1: the Franklin Park Zoo but the zoo up in Stoneham
Speaker 1: Stoneam Zoo, two great facilities. It's worth a trip to both. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
Speaker 5: And anybody who wants who would like a recycling ben
Speaker 5: can contact us through our website and we are excited
Speaker 5: to have you as a partner in this program.
Speaker 1: Sounds great. John Lennahan, CEO, Zoo New England. Thank you, John.
Speaker 1: I'll say to every bank you Dan all righty pleasure
Speaker 1: by all right, wee come back. We're going to talk
Speaker 1: about it more serious. Well it's not a serious issue,
Speaker 1: but it's a more personal issue for a lot of people,
Speaker 1: and that is what's called Sober October and the Sober
Speaker 1: Curious movement. Going to talk with doctor George Coop, director
Speaker 1: of the National Institute of Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism. Coming
Speaker 1: back on Nightside right after the News at the bottom
Speaker 1: of the hour.
Speaker 2: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ News. Radio.
Speaker 1: Well, as we leave the summer season and we move
Speaker 1: into the fall, and pretty much we move into the
Speaker 1: party time of the year. We're inside and we're enjoying
Speaker 1: each other's company at Halloween parties and Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays,
Speaker 1: on New Year's Jewish Jewish holidays oftentimes some of us
Speaker 1: might on occasion over and vibe with us is doctor
Speaker 1: George Coop. He is the director of the National Institute
Speaker 1: of Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism and he's going to talk
Speaker 1: about sober October and what's called now the sober Curious movement.
Speaker 1: Doctor Coop, Welcome to Night's Side. Sober October. Well, that rhymes,
Speaker 1: so I don't know if it's just for the rhyme
Speaker 1: or not, or if this is the time of year
Speaker 1: when people do start to take assessment of how much
Speaker 1: they're drinking and under what circumstances.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hi, thanks for having me, And yes, Sober October
Speaker 2: is an opportunity to evaluate your relationship with alcohol. So
Speaker 2: if you stop drinking for an x amount of time,
Speaker 2: and what I use as a metric, if you start
Speaker 2: feeling better, you start sleeping better, your relationship with your
Speaker 2: loved ones is getting better. You're more likely to get
Speaker 2: to work on time, finish your jobs on time. Then
Speaker 2: you should pay attention. And your body is trying to
Speaker 2: tell you something, so you may want to listen to
Speaker 2: your body.
Speaker 1: Okay, So there's another element here, and it's called the
Speaker 1: sober curious movement. I think I know what that is,
Speaker 1: what that means, But why don't you explain it. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you are much more informed about it than I am.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it incorporates sober October, dry January, but
Speaker 2: also the issue of alternates to alcohol in celebratory events.
Speaker 2: We have now mocktails that are sold at many restaurants.
Speaker 2: There are dry bars where you can go, and you know,
Speaker 2: one of the things we advocate is it in any
Speaker 2: celebration where beverages containing alcohol are served. It's always a
Speaker 2: great idea and really a kind thing to do and
Speaker 2: a healthy thing to do to have non alcohol containing
Speaker 2: beverages available for anyone that wants them, even someone who
Speaker 2: wants to make sure they're not drinking too much. But
Speaker 2: someone who you know, just doesn't want to m vibe
Speaker 2: because the next day they have a big report to
Speaker 2: do or a huge job that they got to work on,
Speaker 2: and they want to be at full steam.
Speaker 1: Is there a growing attitude towards alcohol in the country.
Speaker 1: I mean, we did go through the prohibition era about
Speaker 1: one hundred years ago and the country turned away from
Speaker 1: non alcoholic activities. And it's always been a big part
Speaker 1: of a cell. Sometimes it's too big a part. I'm
Speaker 1: just wondering, are there any trends that are suggesting the
Speaker 1: young people are now having second thoughts about a lifestyle
Speaker 1: that is infused with alcohol. Are there are there any
Speaker 1: studies of trends that you could tell us about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there seems to be pretty good evidence that Generation
Speaker 2: Z is more interested in a healthy lifestyle, which means
Speaker 2: less partaking of alcohol, you know, outside the moderate levels.
Speaker 2: And you know, I think we have seen for twenty
Speaker 2: years now a decrease in underage drinking, and you know,
Speaker 2: that's the good news. The bad news is, to be
Speaker 2: honest with you, is that women now in the underage
Speaker 2: group and also twenty one to twenty six year old
Speaker 2: group are actually drinking more than men for the first
Speaker 2: time in history. And that's been going on now for
Speaker 2: three to five years. So there's a whole bunch of
Speaker 2: shifting trends. We also have a much los to increase
Speaker 2: in drinking and the elder popular population individuals over sixty five,
Speaker 2: And that's probably a cohort effect, but there's so many
Speaker 2: of them because of you know, the baby boomers, that
Speaker 2: we're seeing large increase in drinking in more aged population.
Speaker 2: So you know, there's a multiple things going on at
Speaker 2: the same time. But I think that the general trend
Speaker 2: with young people is we want a healthier lifestyle and
Speaker 2: we want to you know moderate.
Speaker 1: What is causing young women, young women particularly to to
Speaker 1: im buy more than their male counterparts.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, they're even been drinking more more than males.
Speaker 2: Now I suspect it. You know, it's a whole series
Speaker 2: of issues, mostly cultural that women are a major part
Speaker 2: of the workforce. Now they do what men do, so
Speaker 2: they're celebrating with men there. You know, when the group
Speaker 2: goes out to drink, they go out to drink with them.
Speaker 2: That was not the case for many years and and
Speaker 2: I and I suspected that that's that's part of it.
Speaker 2: The negative side of all this, though, is that women
Speaker 2: are more susceptible to the deleterious effects of alcohol, so
Speaker 2: they tend to have you know, more likely to get
Speaker 2: the pathology associated with alcohol, with liver disease, more likely
Speaker 2: to have you know, you know, depression and anxiety, which
Speaker 2: can be exacerbated by excessive drinking, more likely in some
Speaker 2: cases to advance through the stages toward an alcohol use
Speaker 2: disorder faster than men. So all of these things, you know,
Speaker 2: they end up with more hospitalizations and they get less
Speaker 2: treatment than men. So there's there's a whole series of
Speaker 2: you know, risk cost difference between men and women that
Speaker 2: makes the increase in drinking and women particularly problematic.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you a question for those in
Speaker 1: the audience right now who are listening and say, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I do I have an occasional this or
Speaker 1: an occasional that, and maybe have a couple of these
Speaker 1: occasional things. What is the standard that your organization feels
Speaker 1: is a safe level? Or is there a safe level
Speaker 1: at which people can use but not abuse liquor alcohol
Speaker 1: be or y? Is there is there any sort.
Speaker 2: Of Yeah, So we tend to go with the cd
Speaker 2: the not the CDC, the the Department of Agricultures. Okay, Now,
Speaker 2: it's the Department of Agriculture that sets the dietary guidelines,
Speaker 2: and so the dietary guidelines are two drinks a day
Speaker 2: for men and one drink a day for women. No
Speaker 2: more than you know, fourteen a week for men, no
Speaker 2: more than seven for women. I mean, these are guidelines. Okay,
Speaker 2: they're not.
Speaker 1: No, I totally understand that. But I don't want people
Speaker 1: who are listening, if they're doing a lot more, not
Speaker 1: to be aware of those guidelines. And if there are
Speaker 1: people who are below those guidelines, I don't want people
Speaker 1: to think, well, you know, I need to be able
Speaker 1: to drink more. Look, if that's what it is, that's
Speaker 1: what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are the US Department of Agriculture guidelines. But
Speaker 2: I think I should mention that basically, the risk with
Speaker 2: alcohol goes up with the more you drink, and they're
Speaker 2: just some people who shouldn't drink if you're pregnant, if
Speaker 2: you're thinking about getting pregnant, if you already have compromise
Speaker 2: liver function. You know, the elderly who are taking lots
Speaker 2: of medications that are sedative drugs that you know, sleeping
Speaker 2: pills or anti anxiety pills, or even opioids for pain,
Speaker 2: all of those mixed with alcohol in a bad way.
Speaker 1: That's a tough that's a bad That is definitely a
Speaker 1: bad mix, Doctor Coop. I appreciate you taking the time.
Speaker 1: How can folks get more information on this? There must
Speaker 1: be a website you could direct this too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very simple. If you just type in an
Speaker 2: I A A A, you'll on the first or second line.
Speaker 2: You'll come to our website and there's lots of really
Speaker 2: cool information there. There's a box on the front tells
Speaker 2: you all the stats I've been going through.
Speaker 1: Good. Well, that's it. Yeah, a lot of people are
Speaker 1: driving right at this hour of the night, and so
Speaker 1: they can check them out tomorrow, later this evening or
Speaker 1: over the weekend again. The National Institute of Alcohol Abuse
Speaker 1: and Alcoholism H five letters NI AAA or NI triple
Speaker 1: A would be another quick way to remember. Thank you
Speaker 1: very much, doctor George Koop, Thank you, sir.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Dan, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: You're very welcome. We come back on and talk about
Speaker 1: another serious issue, and that's World of Mental Health Day.
Speaker 1: I guess it is. Today. We're gonna be talking with
Speaker 1: an author, doctor Helen mckibbon coming back. She's an author
Speaker 1: and a therapist. Me back on Nightside. Now back to
Speaker 1: Dan Ray Live from the Window, World Night Side Studios
Speaker 1: on WBZ News Radio. Well, today is World Mental Health Day.
Speaker 1: I was not aware that it's World Mental Health Day,
Speaker 1: but this tells me it is, uh and I'm about
Speaker 1: to interview doctor Helen mckibbon, who's an author of a
Speaker 1: book called Drop Making Great Decisions. And I also believe
Speaker 1: doctor McKinnon that maybe folks can start to figure out
Speaker 1: how they know if they're okay? Is there actually something
Speaker 1: called an okay scale? This article would suggest that exists.
Speaker 1: I was unaware of that.
Speaker 4: Whether you're okay or not is very much dependent on
Speaker 4: what I call a feeling disease in art society that
Speaker 4: affects depression, anxiety, and substance abuse. And that scale, if
Speaker 4: you will, is dependent on if you emerge from into childhood,
Speaker 4: from a childhood into adulthood with self trust and trusting
Speaker 4: your thoughts, feelings and ideas people read you is very
Speaker 4: solid and that they can't knock you off balance. You're okay,
Speaker 4: You're stable if, however, in your gears of development, you
Speaker 4: don't get enough reinforcement for listening to that feeling part
Speaker 4: of you, that thought or idea. You emerge into adulthood
Speaker 4: reading other people for what do you should feel, what
Speaker 4: you should say, and what you should do instead of yourself?
Speaker 4: And that is not okay. People can smell it. People
Speaker 4: use it against you, particularly at work or in applying
Speaker 4: poor jobs.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I just listened to that explanation, and it
Speaker 1: sounds to me when we reduce that explanation to its
Speaker 1: or that what you're saying is it's better to be
Speaker 1: yourself than to try to be someone you're not.
Speaker 5: Absolutely okay, tell us why that's important.
Speaker 4: Let me use the example of an individual who's emerged
Speaker 4: into adulthood not listening to themselves. They go for a
Speaker 4: job interview, and the person reads that's interviewing them reads
Speaker 4: that they need accolades from them or they're dependent on
Speaker 4: their point of view. The interview or sees the person
Speaker 4: flipping into reading and trying to please the interviewer, and
Speaker 4: that person who's interviewing them goes, ah, I've got their number.
Speaker 4: I can get them to do whatever I want. I
Speaker 4: can use them, I can break their boundaries, I can
Speaker 4: call them day or not. I can use them to
Speaker 4: do whatever the work I want us. They get into
Speaker 4: the job with not listening to themselves and self doubt
Speaker 4: and the employees around them start coming to them and saying, hey,
Speaker 4: can you do this work for me? I want to
Speaker 4: leave early, or start bullying them or gas lighting them,
Speaker 4: or coming to them for hours talking about personal problems.
Speaker 4: It is not okay, as you said earlier, because it's
Speaker 4: people's read of you that determines if you're going to
Speaker 4: end up with costly disabilities like that building stress or
Speaker 4: interaction with other people leading to depression, anxiety, and substance abuse,
Speaker 4: which is causing our nation mental health lives trillions of dollars.
Speaker 1: Okay? Is that condition as you describe it, is that correctable?
Speaker 4: Yes? And that is what my book is about. And
Speaker 4: that's my life's work, Dan, that I created a simple
Speaker 4: neuroscience method. So the individual who finds themselves in situations
Speaker 4: where they keep getting employed by the same people and
Speaker 4: people aren't treating them well as coworkers, they go, what
Speaker 4: am I doing wrong? Then they come to resources like
Speaker 4: podcasts or books and say, what am I doing wrong?
Speaker 4: My life's work is giving them a simple neurological based
Speaker 4: method to reverse themselves back to listening to their first feeling,
Speaker 4: thought or idea and emerging into adulthood by listening to
Speaker 4: the brain in the way it's already designed to make
Speaker 4: great decisions, thus have self confidence, and they can't be
Speaker 4: knocked off balanced.
Speaker 1: How is this condition recognized or recognizable by the individual
Speaker 1: who has lived that way for many, many years. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, if you've break your leg, you have a
Speaker 1: pretty good idea that you're broken your leg, right, But
Speaker 1: when you're talking about someone's mental health, how did they
Speaker 1: figure out on their own that they first have a problem.
Speaker 4: Growd brains are designed to be pretty pliable until earlier
Speaker 4: mid twenties, and then the unhappiness or the way we're
Speaker 4: being treated or the stress that cause starts to build.
Speaker 4: And by the mid to late twenties we are starting
Speaker 4: to experience anxiety or depression or substance abuse, eating disorders,
Speaker 4: panic disorders, and we go, what is wrong with me?
Speaker 4: I'm a nice person, I'm a hard worker. How come
Speaker 4: people are treating me this way? How can I keep
Speaker 4: getting these same kind of bosses who try to use
Speaker 4: me or walk all over me. That's the recognition that
Speaker 4: they finally get as they move into their late twenties thirties.
Speaker 4: That's when they reach out for help and go, what
Speaker 4: am I doing wrong?
Speaker 1: Okay. Now, your book is entitled Drop Making Great Decisions
Speaker 1: by doctor Helen mckibbon. Is this available? Has it just
Speaker 1: come out? Has it been out for a while? Tell
Speaker 1: us real quickly how easily people can get that book
Speaker 1: if they would like.
Speaker 4: There was launch May fourteenth, twenty twenty four. It is
Speaker 4: available Amazon, Barnes and Noble. It is available through my
Speaker 4: website Helen mckibbon dot com, which also gives all of
Speaker 4: your listeners open view into how to use this method
Speaker 4: to rewire the brain back to the default of listening
Speaker 4: to your own thoughts, feelings, and ideas and getting respected
Speaker 4: by other people, not walked all over in adulthood. That's
Speaker 4: great website, MCKI you access.
Speaker 1: Yes, Doctor Helen McKibben, an author and therapist. The book
Speaker 1: drop colon Making Great Decisions by doctor Helen mckibbon. Thanks
Speaker 1: for joining us tonight. Very interesting conversation. I enjoyed it
Speaker 1: a lot. Thank you so much.
Speaker 4: Well, thanks for having me, Dan.
Speaker 1: You're welcome. You're very welcome. When we get back, we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about the Massachusetts questions Massachusetts ballot question
Speaker 1: number five giving tipped workers the state minimum wage. It's
Speaker 1: an interesting question. And it's one that people should get
Speaker 1: enough information on so they can make a decision about it.
Speaker 1: We'll be talking with Steve Clark, the president and CEO
Speaker 1: of the Massachusetts Restaurant Association, right after the nine o'clock
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