Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Thoston's new radio.
Speaker 2: Al Thank you. I'm used to working with Al on
Speaker 2: Saturday nights where I have my own show from nine
Speaker 2: to midnight, and most of you already know that it's
Speaker 2: called The Morgan Show. I am here tonight until midnight
Speaker 2: and tomorrow eight until midnight's filling in for Dan Ray. Dan,
Speaker 2: We'll be back on Wednesday. I promise ever watch a
Speaker 2: TV show or movie and say to yourself, how did
Speaker 2: they do that? How did they do that? Stunt with
Speaker 2: Keanu Reeves in the John Wick series, where he's doing
Speaker 2: a doughnut spinning around in the car. His door drivers
Speaker 2: side door is wide open and he's able to accurately
Speaker 2: shoot at the bad guys. Did they really do that
Speaker 2: in the middle of a town square? Actually, maybe they did.
Speaker 2: I have a gentleman who can answer that question and
Speaker 2: all others like it. He's a second generation stunt coordinator.
Speaker 3: He gaffs almost.
Speaker 2: Which is a way. A gaff is a term used
Speaker 2: in the movie and TV trade. Well, it means also
Speaker 2: taping down all the wires, but as well it means
Speaker 2: setting up a stunt so it looks believable and the
Speaker 2: finished product convinces the viewing audience. It's like, Wow, that
Speaker 2: poor guy fell. It looked like twenty twenty feet or
Speaker 2: more into that stained glass in the Poseidon Adventure. I've
Speaker 2: got Gary King here, and Gary, how did they do
Speaker 2: that one stunt where a guy falls into the stained glass?
Speaker 3: Well, good evening, Morgan, it's great talk to you again.
Speaker 3: My dad was working on the Tower or on the
Speaker 3: Poseidon Adventure just prior or yeah, just prior to when
Speaker 3: I started in the movie business with him. I wasn't
Speaker 3: there on the set, but I know for a fact
Speaker 3: that they had a camera setting up above the ground
Speaker 3: level looking down onto the stage floor.
Speaker 2: That's the view that we had, mm hmm.
Speaker 3: And then they had they had a stunt man. Now
Speaker 3: I'm I was a special effects man, so I had
Speaker 3: to rig what the stunt guys were going to be doing. Uh,
Speaker 3: And so we we worked with the stuntman all the time.
Speaker 3: And I know that they had him fall through some
Speaker 3: breakaway glass, which my dad's shop at the time was
Speaker 3: at Fox Studios. They made the breakaway glass for the
Speaker 3: the windows that we're breaking, and they make breakaway furniture
Speaker 3: and railings and staircases stuff like that, a bottle.
Speaker 2: The bar, the bottles that they hid each over the head.
Speaker 3: With yes, yes, And so they made they made all
Speaker 3: of that glass out of it's a plastic, so it's
Speaker 3: real lightweight and it shatters fairly well where it's not
Speaker 3: sharp points at all. And they called it. He used
Speaker 3: to call it sugar glass back there, candy glass in
Speaker 3: early early twenties and thirties, but they've gone to a
Speaker 3: chemical blend. Uh. It's a solid plastic bead that melts
Speaker 3: at a high temperature and then it turns into a
Speaker 3: clear liquid. And in my dad's shop, that's what I
Speaker 3: learned how to do, is to pour those breakaway windows
Speaker 3: and breakaway bottles. But anyway, the stuntman falls, it looked
Speaker 3: like it could have been maybe twenty feet.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's what I.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was about that and and below.
Speaker 3: You know, they had they did have rear projection on
Speaker 3: in the studio business. Now they're using computer graphics CGI.
Speaker 3: So when they didn't have CGI, they had to rig
Speaker 3: everything mechanically using cables and pulleys and uh, well you
Speaker 3: name it. Anything the special effects guy needed to make,
Speaker 3: he either could buy it off of a buddy of
Speaker 3: his or he had to design and make things like that. Uh,
Speaker 3: So they had this guy basically falling through the breakaway
Speaker 3: plastic windows and the framework was probably a real lightweight
Speaker 3: balsa wood that was painted to look like metal. Again,
Speaker 3: I wasn't done the show at the time, but what
Speaker 3: my dad had told me about it, that's that's one
Speaker 3: of the ways. And he basically falls into a big
Speaker 3: pile of cardboard boxes and foam pads that the stunt
Speaker 3: people will set underneath him. So anytime you see a
Speaker 3: stuntman falling, if he doesn't hit a table flying off
Speaker 3: the stairway, he's going to be falling into boxes that
Speaker 3: they don't show on the screen. So it's a lot
Speaker 3: of safety safety factors involved in anything we did well.
Speaker 2: Safety on the set, I am sure safety comes first
Speaker 2: they as they make sure that they're pre rigging and
Speaker 2: the pattern you wear and the object were you're supposed
Speaker 2: to go through it or it impacts your body is
Speaker 2: from step A to step double Z is triples and
Speaker 2: I understand that's the way it is. The reason I
Speaker 2: mentioned that stunt that gag. In the opening of The
Speaker 2: Fall Guy, they show a lot of famous stunts and
Speaker 2: that was in every opening, and the Fall Guy was
Speaker 2: a TV show based on the work of stuntmen and the.
Speaker 3: Movie on that show.
Speaker 2: All right, then give me a particular stunt that you gaffed.
Speaker 3: Well special effects that I helped use. I was working
Speaker 3: for a couple of special effects guys in my training years,
Speaker 3: learning different techniques, and I had to log in so
Speaker 3: many hours. This one was we had Fall Guy happening
Speaker 3: at the UH at the st at Fox Studios, so
Speaker 3: every once in a while I was working in the
Speaker 3: shop that we built those gags. And well, let's see,
Speaker 3: I guess on Fall Guy, Oh, we had they had
Speaker 3: his truck crashed all the time. You know, the big roll,
Speaker 3: the row bars on the back.
Speaker 2: Start right there, start right there. I got a break
Speaker 2: coming up in about a minute, but I want to
Speaker 2: mention this. Okay, there was an episode of Fall Guy
Speaker 2: where they showed identical trucks I think three trucks, yes,
Speaker 2: and I'm assuming that was real for the producers. Producers
Speaker 2: of that show, you had the three trucks out of
Speaker 2: necessity for scenes. Let me take my break and we
Speaker 2: can talk more about that when we come back. If
Speaker 2: you want to call in and talk about special effects,
Speaker 2: stunt work, gags and gaffes and things that you're curious
Speaker 2: how they did it or maybe you know about one.
Speaker 2: Give us a call six one, seven, two, five, four,
Speaker 2: ten thirty eight eight, eight, nine, two, nine, ten thirty.
Speaker 2: My guest Gary King, second generation special effects slash stunt coordinator.
Speaker 2: You guys work for Fox. If I'm not mistaken, correct.
Speaker 3: A lot of times, yes, many years.
Speaker 2: Give us a call. Here at nights are time and
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Speaker 3: Now back to Dan Ray Live from the Window World
Speaker 3: Life Sense Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: I'm Morgan. I've mentioned once or twice since eight o'clock Dan.
Speaker 2: We'll be back on Wednesday, and he'll have a lot
Speaker 2: of talking points over the past weekend to now five
Speaker 2: inch snowstorm in Boston. Oh yeah, we've got a new president.
Speaker 2: Trust me. Things that'll make the Dan Ray night side
Speaker 2: show pop, So be aware of that. I'm just keeping
Speaker 2: the microphone warm for him. And I've got my buddy
Speaker 2: Gary King on and tell me about those three identical
Speaker 2: trucks on fall Guy.
Speaker 3: Well, the studios, like you said, they always have to
Speaker 3: have a backup truck. The truck that usually didn't get
Speaker 3: damaged and they would use it for close ups and
Speaker 3: interior shots. Was called a hero h E R Hero
Speaker 3: and the Hero truck. The Hero truck always looked in
Speaker 3: excellent conditions. Then they would have the stand in stunt
Speaker 3: truck and so Box Studios. Thence they ran I guess
Speaker 3: Fall Guy lasted what maybe four years?
Speaker 2: Five years lasted four seasons correct.
Speaker 3: So they had a stockpile of wrecked pieces of trucks
Speaker 3: all from that show, and we called that the boneyard.
Speaker 3: So every studio lot has a boneyard. And when we
Speaker 3: needed parts for vehicles in special effects or mechanics, we
Speaker 3: always got to have access to some of those cars
Speaker 3: that we could take parts from to make other things.
Speaker 3: And it really came in handy. That was another specialty
Speaker 3: of my dad's prop shop, Action Prop miniature shop. Actually,
Speaker 3: they would take a brand new truck and put all
Speaker 3: of the shiny roll cages, big wheels, everything around it,
Speaker 3: and they would have times when that truck maybe would
Speaker 3: break down for some reason. They because they had to,
Speaker 3: you know, do quick starts and stops right, so they
Speaker 3: would pull in the second truck and use that. Now,
Speaker 3: if one of those trucks happens to crash unexpectedly. Then
Speaker 3: they did have another truck that they could bring in.
Speaker 3: It would take a little while for him to do it.
Speaker 3: You know, somebody had to go rush and get the
Speaker 3: truck that they hadn't planned on using for that time.
Speaker 3: But anyway, that's that's how it works in the studios.
Speaker 3: The boneyards where you are like our Walmart. They're like
Speaker 3: a Walmart. You could go in and find any pieces
Speaker 3: that you needed, and a lot of them that you didn't.
Speaker 2: You've got a silly question, because sure, the dukes of Hazards,
Speaker 2: that's the eight Dodge charger. They It looked to me
Speaker 2: beat the heck out of that car, and I'm sure
Speaker 2: it didn't survive as pristine as would look on an
Speaker 2: episode a jump. They were constantly doing fifteen twenty foot
Speaker 2: jumps with that vehicle. And I heard a rumor that
Speaker 2: they had to search the country for sixty eight part
Speaker 2: Dodge chargers. Yeah, either to have an extra one or
Speaker 2: to be able to use it for parts. Were you
Speaker 2: that show in that circumstance.
Speaker 3: I'm familiar with the show. I never got to work
Speaker 3: on it, but I'm familiar with it and it's it
Speaker 3: was just like fall Guy. We had so many vehicles
Speaker 3: at our disposal if we needed them, and so they
Speaker 3: they would have that, oh that car, I'm sure when
Speaker 3: it launches off it they would use have the special
Speaker 3: effects crew beef up all of the suspension, put heavy
Speaker 3: duty shocks, heavy duty shot absorbers, springs lifts, anything they
Speaker 3: could think of to help that car survive. What would
Speaker 3: be Let's say you take a car and you drive
Speaker 3: it twenty miles an hour and you go up a
Speaker 3: little one foot high ramp. When that car hits the
Speaker 3: ground shortly, something's going to break. It's just that easy
Speaker 3: for cars to break when they're not built to do
Speaker 3: what they what they want them to do.
Speaker 2: So we did.
Speaker 3: We had to beef up I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: On TV, any vehicle you see that was a regular vehicle,
Speaker 2: the train Sam that James Carner.
Speaker 3: Drove, Yeah, fifty seventy Bird.
Speaker 2: That Dantanna drove in Vegas, that was a regular vehicle.
Speaker 2: They had to do all kinds of things from driving
Speaker 2: through gates to long jumps, and we would be fools
Speaker 2: in the audience to believe that their car survived. And
Speaker 2: I'm sure for an example, the fire Kit. The Firebird.
Speaker 2: They must have had a teleo because the stuff kit shouldn't.
Speaker 3: Be done exactly what they proved, They proved it on film.
Speaker 3: Many times they bring bringing a new one.
Speaker 2: Bringing the stunt, the stunt car devil. Let me take
Speaker 2: I got a couple of phone calls lined up. Let's
Speaker 2: go to Brighton first and speak to Glenn. Glenn, welcome
Speaker 2: to night Side.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Gary's my brother from another weather Okay, h listen,
Speaker 4: Yeah you know what, Yeah, yeah, listen. I've always been
Speaker 4: fascinating because, like like in these Star Wars movies, they
Speaker 4: cut off a way of the hands, legs, throw people
Speaker 4: into volcanic pits, and I'm just curious. I'm just curious
Speaker 4: what goes into that, I mean, and the empire strikes.
Speaker 3: I can tell you. I'll tell you what if it was.
Speaker 3: If it was before computer graphics came out, which the
Speaker 3: first one was, I want to say in the early
Speaker 3: two thousands, that was the prequel. Maybe it was even
Speaker 3: it was the earlier. It was in the in the nineties,
Speaker 3: the early nineties, we had no how would I say computer,
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to find I'm trying to find a
Speaker 3: good good.
Speaker 2: See, it was a good scene to talk about.
Speaker 3: Yes, well, CD, Yes.
Speaker 2: Go ahead. I was gonna help you, but go ahead.
Speaker 3: Oh no, can you please repeat the question so I
Speaker 3: can get back on track.
Speaker 4: You know, how do they assimilate cutting, chopping off whims, hands, arms, legs,
Speaker 4: is throwing people into volcanic pits.
Speaker 2: It can help you with the first part. And they
Speaker 2: answered this question in one of the movies. A lightsaber
Speaker 2: is so hot? Now follow along. This is what the
Speaker 2: movie told us that it instantly characterizes the wound. So
Speaker 2: when Luke had no blind cut off in the first
Speaker 2: Star Wars movie, episode four, and Luke had his hand.
Speaker 4: Tell us five it was five. The Empire stricks.
Speaker 2: Okay, then an Empire strikes back. When he lost his hand,
Speaker 2: the heat from the lightsaber potterized the wound.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: So that's why there was no blood. That's why it
Speaker 2: was a clean cut. Yeah. And the same with limbs and.
Speaker 3: That that shot.
Speaker 4: Oh that's new. I'm so I've heard that. I heard
Speaker 4: that they made him have a bi on a cand.
Speaker 2: No, they put a hand on him after the fact.
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, there's uh, you know, Glenn, it was one
Speaker 3: of those things that the the actor well before they
Speaker 3: had c g I we had to rig something mechanically,
Speaker 3: and to do that, they would make a body cast
Speaker 3: of the actor and make an arm section that would
Speaker 3: fit all his body style right, and they would they
Speaker 3: would with certain camera angles you couldn't tell that that
Speaker 3: wasn't his arm or his hand. We had to do
Speaker 3: a gag like that in in Iceland on a movie
Speaker 3: we called Icelandic Saga. We had to cut off like
Speaker 3: a Viking warrior got his arm cut off. Well, they
Speaker 3: brought an actor in that was missing part of his arm,
Speaker 3: so we all we had to do was make an
Speaker 3: extension and put long clothing on him and you couldn't
Speaker 3: tell that it wasn't his arm. But we had blood
Speaker 3: skirting out on that gags. We had to make that happen.
Speaker 3: But basically they try to find riggings that look real,
Speaker 3: that are easy to rig and not you know, not
Speaker 3: cost as they want to keep.
Speaker 2: That's the key. That's what CGI has helped, bigger budgets, cheaper, bigger,
Speaker 2: cheaper gags.
Speaker 4: What I said for.
Speaker 5: Computer graphics, well, what's.
Speaker 2: The computer gee for the work graphics? I for the
Speaker 2: word illustrated.
Speaker 4: That makes sense?
Speaker 2: I believe that does that help you, Glan.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now, the first time I understood I rigged the gag
Speaker 3: or that I worked on the show that had cg
Speaker 3: I was when we did Aliens Tree, I believe it was.
Speaker 3: It was called the Aliens Resurrection and CGI was coming
Speaker 3: out to where they needed us to rig a gag,
Speaker 3: underwater gag and it had to be ready by you know,
Speaker 3: within a couple of days. We had to have it
Speaker 3: ready so they could send it out country wide as
Speaker 3: a teaser for movie. And that's how they generated their
Speaker 3: you know followers. Was they released this computer graphic version
Speaker 3: of the Aliens swimming underwater and blowing up.
Speaker 2: That was Alien's three. Yes, Glenn, I hate to do it,
Speaker 2: but with the ABC News, I've got hard time. So
Speaker 2: you're saying good night to you and you learn something new.
Speaker 2: Now you know what's the GI means? Take care?
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: You're welcome, Glenn and King. I'm going to put you
Speaker 2: on hold and we'll come back to you. I've got
Speaker 2: Phil in Boston next who wants to speak to you. Phil,
Speaker 2: don't hang up. You've been put in Q so you'll
Speaker 2: get your chance to speak to Gary King. Roughly in
Speaker 2: a couple of minutes, so for everybody else, Gary will
Speaker 2: be here till ten, then Dixie will be here for
Speaker 2: two more hours. This is night Side. Your time nine
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Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's news
Speaker 1: Radio nine.
Speaker 2: Five in the evening. It was a very very busy
Speaker 2: day all across America. One o'clock in the afternoon, Donald
Speaker 2: Trump officially took office. He is now our president for
Speaker 2: the next four years. We had Martin Luther King Day,
Speaker 2: Martin Luther King Junior. He was born on the fifteenth
Speaker 2: of January, but they made it a Monday holiday that
Speaker 2: they've done a number of holidays in the United States.
Speaker 2: And Bruins and Celtics both beat up a California team.
Speaker 2: Celtics beat up Golden State and the Sharks lost to
Speaker 2: the Bruins. I'm here, Philliam for Dan Ray. I'm Morgan
Speaker 2: Morgan White, Jr. My guest this hour is Gary King,
Speaker 2: and Gary is the second generation Special effects Guru. Is
Speaker 2: the word guru acceptable? Acceptable to you?
Speaker 3: No sounds good to me? Man, That's fine, all right,
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Let's take Phil from Boston. Who wants to talk making
Speaker 2: special effects with you? Phil Hello.
Speaker 6: In nineteen seventy when when they were filming Sense of Ohio,
Speaker 6: I was an extra several of the shows. I was
Speaker 6: in NOS station or filming the scene down. There's like
Speaker 6: one hundred of us in the inside North stations somewhere.
Speaker 6: At that time, the trains are still there, the huge
Speaker 6: stanchions in the on the ground. So they needed a blonde.
Speaker 6: They said, we need a blonde stunt double, and I said.
Speaker 6: The guy looked at me at yeah, be a stunt double.
Speaker 6: I thought I was gonna be a for the stuntman.
Speaker 6: I was a stuntman. They took me outside of this car.
Speaker 6: I get into a car because I didn't must the
Speaker 6: Mustang right. I had no idea what I was doing.
Speaker 6: I had the young woman come in. The car is
Speaker 6: driving and I said to her, despite just my luck,
Speaker 6: I said. She said I was probably a stunt man.
Speaker 6: I said, by seatbalt done, and she said yeah, with
Speaker 6: the seatbalt on. She took off banging down the street
Speaker 6: towards the Camill Street and the car come on. Those
Speaker 6: park there with stage come out banging on us, and
Speaker 6: we're heading right towards one of these stansions. I was unbelievable.
Speaker 6: They shouldn't have done that good. They paid me fifty minutes.
Speaker 6: I couldn't even killed. I was having a heart attack.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you made dollars.
Speaker 5: Fifty full pill tell you what I did expens for higher.
Speaker 2: And there was a scene that was used in the
Speaker 2: opening where they had me no. This was next to
Speaker 2: old granary burial grounds at the in and the scene
Speaker 2: involved Spencer being shot at by quote unquote the bad guys.
Speaker 2: So I was one of several people who had to
Speaker 2: know had to scurry and flee because here we are
Speaker 2: in the middle of a gunfight. They shot that scene
Speaker 2: literally five or six times until the director was.
Speaker 6: Happy with all of the action.
Speaker 2: And I got fifty bucks from that. I didn't have
Speaker 2: to be in the car.
Speaker 6: That to me, you can't make a guy guys in
Speaker 6: the Union. I should have got paid a lot of money.
Speaker 6: I should have had. I should have been on the thing.
Speaker 6: These are these the credits of the print out of Poles.
Speaker 6: I don't know, I mean, I don't know that. What's
Speaker 6: your opinion of the.
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 3: I tell you I had to be a stuntman on
Speaker 3: one show, and it was in Boston. I was working
Speaker 3: with the coordinator I think was Spencer for Horr was
Speaker 3: Brian Ritchie. Really good, good buddy of mine. And basically
Speaker 3: all I had to do was act like somebody getting
Speaker 3: arrested in the used to be the Big Dome where
Speaker 3: they had that candy candy factory in South Boston. I
Speaker 3: guess it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know of what you speak.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were filming inside. We were filming inside of
Speaker 3: this big dome structure. And all I had to do
Speaker 3: was be a bad guy that was thrown down on
Speaker 3: the ground and handcuffed and taking off the set fifty bucks.
Speaker 3: I didn't get paid. I didn't get paid fifty dollars
Speaker 3: for that.
Speaker 2: I get paid.
Speaker 3: I got paid. Thank you. I got to thank you
Speaker 3: for that one. They needed more guys. They need to
Speaker 3: get more.
Speaker 5: Guys to to do that gag.
Speaker 6: That time.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well I'm not in the Actors Union. I
Speaker 3: was in the special effects. Uh yes, but you know
Speaker 3: what they did. They did pay quite well for some
Speaker 3: of the things that they asked people to do.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 3: That's really fun. I hate to say it, that's that's
Speaker 3: hilarious that they.
Speaker 5: Got in that car and you're a stuntman.
Speaker 6: I had somebody, you know, But it was an interesting
Speaker 6: time and I'm glad I got you, and I'm sorry
Speaker 6: about yob situation. Well yeah, at least we're all in
Speaker 6: the same pack here, you know, all.
Speaker 2: Right, I'm gonna I'm gonna bet. I know that what
Speaker 2: I am about to say is a fact. You've got
Speaker 2: a videotape copy of that.
Speaker 4: How I know?
Speaker 6: But I wasn't.
Speaker 2: I knew that you would have to go through whatever
Speaker 2: you needed to go through to get a copy of
Speaker 2: that episode. And you can't see yourself.
Speaker 6: When things like a joke and I had a real
Speaker 6: good pot acting different scene outside the Courthouse of Boston.
Speaker 6: But I never thought I could ever sided. They right
Speaker 6: down on the US and think what scene will you win?
Speaker 6: What was the title of the show. I hadn't know
Speaker 6: idea what I meant. I didn't care about that. I
Speaker 6: didn't know about that. It took me years, thirty years.
Speaker 6: I had to buy the whole copy now, the whole
Speaker 6: sheet of the DVD. But I know I can't figure.
Speaker 2: About a season's run?
Speaker 3: Can I ask? Can I ask your question? Certainly I
Speaker 3: wanted to find out when when you got on the
Speaker 3: set and they basically have the background extras in one area,
Speaker 3: marriage feedom and all, and then they would say, okay,
Speaker 3: we need so and so with who wears a hat? Right,
Speaker 3: who's got a jacket on? Who's got this? So they
Speaker 3: pick people out of the out of the extra background exactly.
Speaker 3: And sometimes sometimes you'll end up making an extra fifty
Speaker 3: bucks that you hadn't.
Speaker 6: End on not getting killed.
Speaker 3: But you.
Speaker 5: Never know.
Speaker 6: I wasn't thinking of a scene that was a film,
Speaker 6: but it was like a pilot for the tea of
Speaker 6: the state House. I was like in the state House
Speaker 6: on the on the front of the unbelievable it's possible scene,
Speaker 6: but it's they've never went off. But the bottom line
Speaker 6: is this is a luck shot.
Speaker 4: But you know, if you get.
Speaker 2: One word, one word of dialogue that bumps your salary
Speaker 2: to triple figures exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: You're looking at a couple of hundred bucks real quick, right,
Speaker 3: But Tom So.
Speaker 6: Has a book out. You never know. I mean sometimes
Speaker 6: that's what you were chasing, these dreams. You know they thinured?
Speaker 6: Oh well, guy, was you know who knows?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: You want to know what you mentioned? Tom Selleck, Phil
Speaker 2: do you want to know his first major movie. His
Speaker 2: first major movie was coma that played a dead body.
Speaker 6: I got an email to be a dead body. I
Speaker 6: didn't go I was a laugh, but you.
Speaker 5: Told me on second Yeah he was a dead show.
Speaker 3: Yeah I did. I did that. I did that show.
Speaker 3: And when when he came in, we had to make
Speaker 3: a a surgical uh like the interior guts or whatever
Speaker 3: that we would put on top of his back when
Speaker 3: he's laying face down, and they were you know, they
Speaker 3: were taking body parts. It was a factory.
Speaker 2: I guess that was that was a concept.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I wish I could sit down have a
Speaker 6: few busy you guys obviously, but uh, it's funny talking,
Speaker 6: he said, leaf all you all know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 6: But who had it?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 5: Absolutely yeah.
Speaker 3: I did this for twenty eight years, twenty and my
Speaker 3: dad was in it for another ten ten years prior
Speaker 3: to me getting it.
Speaker 6: No, I think you show a couple of years ago,
Speaker 6: correct her years ago.
Speaker 2: I've had Lord. Yes, he wanted to know if he's
Speaker 2: been on with me in the past.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, oh yeah, you know your stuff, and you've
Speaker 6: got a good humor. Thank you for listener to life.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you.
Speaker 2: You're very welcome to you.
Speaker 3: Thank you very Phil, Thank you.
Speaker 2: All right. So if you have a son, I don't
Speaker 2: know if you have a child or not, but would
Speaker 2: you would you steer him into the business absolutely well,
Speaker 2: because no rules you have to be a male because
Speaker 2: I'm sure the stuff.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know. And there's also I mean for
Speaker 3: special effects, we had a team that was a husband
Speaker 3: and wife team. I worked for ultimate effects. It was
Speaker 3: John and Bev Hardikin. Another crew was Oh when we
Speaker 3: did Cherry two thousand was Art and Trisha Brewer and uh,
Speaker 3: these people made it a full time business where they
Speaker 3: had they had the budgets in two thousand.
Speaker 2: Was that Melanie Griffiths in that movie?
Speaker 3: Yes, it was. And what a great show. I really
Speaker 3: enjoyed that show. That was with Art Brewer, Art and
Speaker 3: his wife. When we filmed in Nevada. The whole show
Speaker 3: we started in Las Vegas and then went up to
Speaker 3: RYA LIGHTE and Baty and there was a few you know,
Speaker 3: futuristic show Hoover dam Oh, yeah, yeah, I thought it was.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it. There was a lot of rigging for us.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed watching it and let me ask this. I'm
Speaker 2: betting that was not the only time you worked on
Speaker 2: a movie or series that took place for the filming
Speaker 2: of it outside of Las Vegas. Done that more than one? You? Maybe?
Speaker 3: Yes? Tell me Damnation All okay, there was a show
Speaker 3: called Damnation Alley. We did the show Vegas once in
Speaker 3: a while them they'd get some outside shots.
Speaker 2: I started to ask you, how many red fifty sevent
Speaker 2: t birds did they have?
Speaker 3: Well, all I can say is there were so many
Speaker 3: different types of vehicles in the boneyard you couldn't tell
Speaker 3: what show they had come from unless you worked on
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 2: But that was a unique vehicle. It's almost like the
Speaker 2: sixty eight Dodge charger for Joseph Hazard. And I know, sure,
Speaker 2: sure there were not a lot of fifty seven red
Speaker 2: tea birds around.
Speaker 3: If they could get a car that was close to
Speaker 3: that year within a year or two, they would do it.
Speaker 3: But they did have a guy in transportation that basically
Speaker 3: would go out and find whatever vehicles they needed for
Speaker 3: the shows. And he would have friends who had cars,
Speaker 3: and you know, it's just it was just when they
Speaker 3: needed a certain type of a vehicle, they needed a
Speaker 3: few of them. You know, not just one. How about
Speaker 3: that car when we did speaking of Cherry two thousand,
Speaker 3: you remember the four by four Ford Mustang. Yes, that
Speaker 3: Melanie's character drove. That was the custom made car that
Speaker 3: we built in our shops. Had to had opened the top,
Speaker 3: had to make it a basically look like a big
Speaker 3: four wheel drive vehicle, put big tires on it, put
Speaker 3: the air would do the moonroof, and put the winch
Speaker 3: on the front of it. And that car we had
Speaker 3: to eventually hang it from a cable above Hoover Dam spillway.
Speaker 2: It jumped something big in that movie.
Speaker 3: It's basically listen, well, I know the gag we did.
Speaker 5: We had to.
Speaker 3: It was as if the bad guys had this big
Speaker 3: crane with a magnet and they picked this car up
Speaker 3: with the heroes in it, and they dangled it over
Speaker 3: the Davis Dam or Hoover Dam area, and they were
Speaker 3: going to drop it, but good guys came and they
Speaker 3: shot the crane operator and he dropped the vehicle down
Speaker 3: so far and then they lowered it with the winch
Speaker 3: of the car.
Speaker 2: Isn't that always the way the good guys save the day?
Speaker 2: Let me let me take my last break and it's
Speaker 2: a hard hit for ABC. And I'll get back to
Speaker 2: you after we take our little break. Here. Time and
Speaker 2: temperature here on night side nine forty nine and it's
Speaker 2: about nineteen degrees. I'll be back after the break with
Speaker 2: Gary King here on night side.
Speaker 1: This is a special report from ABC News. I'm Chuck Severerson.
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Speaker 2: Tell me he wants to make a deal. I mean
Speaker 2: he wants to many zelesk. He wants to make a deal.
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Speaker 2: Lafe Side Studios on WBZ News Radio. I'm Morgan feeling
Speaker 2: if Dan will be back on Wednesday. I'm here till midnight,
Speaker 2: and Gary King is with me right now for another
Speaker 2: four or five minutes, maybe three. Gary, I got a
Speaker 2: silly question, have you ever requested to gaff a magician's trick?
Speaker 3: I could say that as a technical advice here. I
Speaker 3: was a buddy of mine was a craft service guy
Speaker 3: named Johnny Wright. And Johnny Wright was a magician, but
Speaker 3: he was a craft service guy and he eventually became
Speaker 3: a cameraman on film. But Johnny Wright had a business
Speaker 3: of uh. He bought a property and I want to
Speaker 3: say it was in Louisiana and Mississippi. He bought Tennessee.
Speaker 3: He bought a piece of property and turns it into
Speaker 3: a magic shop store not a story. He doesn't sell
Speaker 3: the things, but he would do his performances in that
Speaker 3: theater that he made. And he asked me a few
Speaker 3: times when I was still in the business, if I
Speaker 3: could help him design something that he wanted to create
Speaker 3: a certain gag, and it had to be it had
Speaker 3: to work smooth, it had to work quietly, it had
Speaker 3: to work very easy, and we kicked some ideas and
Speaker 3: I don't know what he applied eventually, but I lost
Speaker 3: contact with him after I retired, But he's doing quite
Speaker 3: well in his business is magic business. So that's as
Speaker 3: close as I got to work and working with the magician.
Speaker 2: It made sense to me to ask you that question,
Speaker 2: why have you gotten out of the business. You sound
Speaker 2: still young, healthy, vibrant that you could receive a phone
Speaker 2: call tomorrow to go to Tucson, Arizona and work on
Speaker 2: a film.
Speaker 3: I would since I retired when I did. I retired
Speaker 3: when the business got real slow and I was living
Speaker 3: in Massachusetts in the late nineties, in the late I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: and yeah, I retired in like twenty in two thousand,
Speaker 3: I retired full time. But the last show I worked
Speaker 3: done was in nineteen ninety seven, and I've I've thought
Speaker 3: about it. When I quit, we just didn't have enough
Speaker 3: work for an income for my wife and I.
Speaker 2: You know, I understand that, and I want to thank
Speaker 2: you for coming on, especially today. Wow, it's a tough
Speaker 2: day to do radio when oh yeahcident takes over the
Speaker 2: White House. But I want to thank you for living on.
Speaker 2: And you know I'm going to have you on again
Speaker 2: one day, so I can.
Speaker 3: I ask you one thing? Can I ask you one thing?
Speaker 3: If you ever do a show on someone who's watching
Speaker 3: and looking at UFOs and and those drones. I'm the
Speaker 3: guy I've been looking at UFOs since I've moved here
Speaker 3: to Arizona. I will call you on next anyway, Thank you, Morgan.
Speaker 3: It's great to chat with me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: We'll do it again time here on night side and
Speaker 2: temperature nine fifty eight and nineteen degrees