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<v Speaker 2>Hello and welcome to my channel Vice Rhino. Here today

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at an answers in Genesis, Canada video called

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<v Speaker 2>the Worst Lies about the World Your school taught you,

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<v Speaker 2>though I have learned by now not to trust their

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<v Speaker 2>titles to be accurate representations of the contents of the videos,

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<v Speaker 2>because apparently this organization that has an article explaining that

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<v Speaker 2>they would never lie to a Nazi to save a

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<v Speaker 2>Jew doesn't have a problem with lying if it means

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<v Speaker 2>more clicks on their videos, and more clicks equals more money.

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<v Speaker 2>Lying to save a life, Nope, lying for money. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>Side note. As atrocious as that article is, it actually

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<v Speaker 2>gets worse At one point, when setting up their scenario,

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<v Speaker 2>they point out how using a Jew for this example

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<v Speaker 2>instead of one of the many other groups of people

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<v Speaker 2>that the Nazis persecuted is not just because the Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>people were the most well known targets of the Nazis,

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<v Speaker 2>and so this framing is one that will require the

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<v Speaker 2>least explanation, but rather it is a clever ruse meant

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<v Speaker 2>to tug on your heartstrings because AIG apparently agrees with

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<v Speaker 2>the Nazi stance on the LGBTQ community and disability, So

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<v Speaker 2>using a trends or disabled person as the example wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be hard for them at all. Of course they'd turn

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<v Speaker 2>them in. So yeah, just in case you needed another

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<v Speaker 2>reason to dislike answers in Genesis, let's see what this

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<v Speaker 2>video is about.

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<v Speaker 3>Growing up in a non Christian environment, I had a

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<v Speaker 3>big picture understanding of the world around me that was

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<v Speaker 3>shaped by the thoughts and ideas derived from the secular

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<v Speaker 3>influences that I was immersed in, whether at the state

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<v Speaker 3>run schools I attended or through the TV movies and

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<v Speaker 3>magazines I've read constantly on the receiving end of a

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<v Speaker 3>consistent and cohesive narrative. That narrative was the story of evolution.

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<v Speaker 2>Contrary to what people like Calvin will tell you, secular

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<v Speaker 2>does not actually mean against religion. Secular is simply a

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<v Speaker 2>word to describe something that isn't inherently religious. So when

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<v Speaker 2>you go grocery shopping, for instance, that is a secular activity,

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<v Speaker 2>even if you are a deeply religious person. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>the majority of life is secular, regardless of your religious beliefs.

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<v Speaker 2>I know they would object to this fact, like the

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<v Speaker 2>guy from a couple weeks ago who said that true

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<v Speaker 2>Christians view everything through a lens of scripture. He would

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<v Speaker 2>probably say that for those Christians nothing is secular. But really,

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<v Speaker 2>is there anyone who is standing in the store praying

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<v Speaker 2>over whether God wants them to buy Sharman or Scott

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<v Speaker 2>Brand toilet paper and then doing the same for literally

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<v Speaker 2>every product that they buy. That sounds exhausting, and I

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<v Speaker 2>very much doubt that even the most indoctrinated, brainwashed cult

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<v Speaker 2>member is at that level. So yes, many of our

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<v Speaker 2>thoughts and ideas are shaped by secular influences, not because

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<v Speaker 2>we filthy secularists are scheming to undermine your religion, but

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<v Speaker 2>simply because they have nothing to do with religion, and

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<v Speaker 2>like it or not, Biology is one of those things

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<v Speaker 2>God is irrelevant to the question of evolution. Evolution is

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<v Speaker 2>just a thing that happens regardless of your beliefs about.

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<v Speaker 3>It, declared as a supposedly reasoned, thoroughly rational, and above

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<v Speaker 3>all else scientific way of explaining all existence.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, unless you're about to go into a Kent Hoven

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<v Speaker 2>style six kinds of evolution thing in science. Evolution specifically

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<v Speaker 2>refers to the theory of evolution in biology, which explains

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<v Speaker 2>how the diversity of life has increased as time goes on.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't even explain the origin of life, so to

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<v Speaker 2>say that it's supposed to explain all of existence is

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<v Speaker 2>just laughable. Honestly, this kind of seems like a cult

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<v Speaker 2>thought stopping technique. If everything you don't like is evolution,

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<v Speaker 2>then you don't need to explain why all of these

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<v Speaker 2>independent scientific fields are all wrong. You can just call

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<v Speaker 2>them all evolution and then bring up a few of

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<v Speaker 2>what you see as the problems with one of the

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<v Speaker 2>fields and use that to dismiss them all.

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<v Speaker 3>How did the universe come about? Simple cosmological evolution, typically

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<v Speaker 3>the Big Bang? How is the Earth formed? Wow? Easy?

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<v Speaker 3>Now is geological evolution over billions of years of slow processes?

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<v Speaker 3>Where did life come from? Well, that wasn't a problem.

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<v Speaker 3>Chemical evolution, non living chemicals just formed the first life form,

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<v Speaker 3>and what caused all the biodiversity we see rudimentary biological

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<v Speaker 3>evolution through natural selection and genetic mutation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. Now call one aspect of evolution into question,

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<v Speaker 2>and your followers get to dismiss all of these very

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<v Speaker 2>different and extremely well developed fields of science in one

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<v Speaker 2>fell swoop, because it's all evolution, you see. And if

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<v Speaker 2>we evolve from monkeys, why are there still monkeys? And

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<v Speaker 2>while AIG doesn't explicitly promote that line of questioning as

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<v Speaker 2>a thing that they think creations should use against evolution,

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<v Speaker 2>the way that they talk about it seems designed to

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<v Speaker 2>still leave their audience with that misunderstanding. But maybe don't

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<v Speaker 2>voice that misunderstanding out loud. I'll go ahead and leave

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<v Speaker 2>a link to a video where I encounter and respond

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<v Speaker 2>to that particular tactic in a bit more detail.

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<v Speaker 3>And how did we finally arrive quite basic actually anthropological

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<v Speaker 3>evolution from lower ape like creatures.

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<v Speaker 2>There's actually zero distinction between the evolution that led to

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<v Speaker 2>the diversity of life and the evolution that led to humans.

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<v Speaker 2>We are part of the diversity of life. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing. And Calvin's distinction here seems meant to encourage

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<v Speaker 2>the misunderstanding that there's something special about humans that sets

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<v Speaker 2>us apart from the animals. There's also no distinction between

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<v Speaker 2>higher and lower forms of life. They're just different, adapted

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<v Speaker 2>for different environments and different niches within those environments.

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<v Speaker 3>In this explanation of everything was well packaged, always portrayed,

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<v Speaker 3>and presented as a concise explanation of reality that was

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<v Speaker 3>thoroughly researched to complete with charts, graphs, and dates and

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<v Speaker 3>diagrams that provided it with the clarity and seemingly intellectual credibility.

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<v Speaker 2>So science, the scientific ideas about all the stuff you

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<v Speaker 2>brought up, came with facts and data to support them.

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<v Speaker 2>That is what you just said when you strip away

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<v Speaker 2>the creation of slant.

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<v Speaker 3>And as a young person trying to figure it all out,

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<v Speaker 3>I was naturally drawn to this way of thinking, as

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<v Speaker 3>subjective reasoning based on emotion or personal preference seemed extremely

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<v Speaker 3>arbitrary to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't that kind of the definition of arbitrary, Like no

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<v Speaker 2>real reason, just your personal whims.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, what I failed to understand was that although

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<v Speaker 3>many people like myself seemed convinced that the theory of

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<v Speaker 3>evolution is based on an analysis of brute facts. There

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<v Speaker 3>was actually a huge underlying philosophy that drove these materialistic

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<v Speaker 3>conclusions long before the facts were examined, and long before

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<v Speaker 3>I was ever born.

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<v Speaker 2>For that matter, Even if that were true, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>change the fact that evolution is a thing that happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Best case scenario here is that you're setting up a

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<v Speaker 2>genetic fallacy where you attack the origin of an idea

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<v Speaker 2>in or to discredit that idea, rather than attacking the

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<v Speaker 2>idea itself.

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<v Speaker 3>The question of origins where did everything come from? Has

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<v Speaker 3>only two possible answers.

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<v Speaker 2>Either the Christian God did it? Or gay unicorn Gary

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<v Speaker 3>Either the universe arose by itself or it didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that sure, it's one of those vapid profundities that

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<v Speaker 2>don't actually say much of anything. You could make that

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<v Speaker 2>statement about literally anything. Either my dick a rose by

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<v Speaker 2>itself or it didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Checkmatee atheists, And if it did make itself, then some

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<v Speaker 3>sort of cosmic evolution must have taken place to account

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<v Speaker 3>for reality.

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<v Speaker 2>The way you're using the word evolution is essentially as

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<v Speaker 2>a shortcut for saying change over time. Here, So, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>the universe has changed over time. I feel like that's

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<v Speaker 2>one of those things that is true, whether creationism is

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<v Speaker 2>true or.

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<v Speaker 3>Not, and if it didn't, there must be a creator.

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<v Speaker 2>Not necessarily having a cause that is something other than

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<v Speaker 2>itself does not automatically mean that that cause was a

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<v Speaker 2>being with intentions.

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<v Speaker 3>No one has ever presented an intelligent third option.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, man. I know creationists ignore the majority of both

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<v Speaker 2>cosmology and theoretical physics, but to dismiss those entire fields

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<v Speaker 2>of science as not having produced anything intelligent is just

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<v Speaker 2>epic levels of mediocre white man audacity.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, although the popular version of evolution today is typically

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<v Speaker 3>associated with Charles Darwin.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm gonna let him finish this point before I

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<v Speaker 2>actually respond to it, but I do wonder why they

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<v Speaker 2>used an AI video generator to make a slow scroll

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<v Speaker 2>past a bunch of copies of Origin of Species rather

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<v Speaker 2>than just, you know, buying a few copies to do

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing. That has a much bigger budget than

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<v Speaker 2>I do, and the exact book that the video generator

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<v Speaker 2>is trying to replicate is like thirty bucks. I spent

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<v Speaker 2>more than that getting Piper to make those silly title

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<v Speaker 2>card things that I did for my video on the

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<v Speaker 2>Book of Romans. Speaking of go give that one a watch.

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<v Speaker 2>As it stands, I spent more money making it than

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<v Speaker 2>I earned from it, because I'm more ethical than any

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<v Speaker 2>large corporation. So I pay Piper something like ten times

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<v Speaker 2>the minimum wage in their state. And that's only barely

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<v Speaker 2>an exaggeration. Of course, they have to pay me for

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<v Speaker 2>the privilege of time outside the editing cage, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>beside the point. Anyway, what was he saying?

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<v Speaker 3>No one has ever presented an intelligent third option. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>although the popular version of evolution today is typically associated

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<v Speaker 3>with Charles Darwin, the idea of evolution is not a

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<v Speaker 3>modern concept.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, turns out people have been noticing that stuff changes

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<v Speaker 2>over time for thousands of years now. But do you

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<v Speaker 2>know what else has changed over time our understanding of evolution.

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<v Speaker 2>You might say that it has evolved, and Darwin played

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty big role in that process. But yeah, he

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<v Speaker 2>was working from a base of existing knowledge that had

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<v Speaker 2>been built upon for centuries before he was born.

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<v Speaker 3>These ultimate starting axioms have been the same throughout history.

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<v Speaker 3>The ancient Egyptians, Babylonians, Hindus, Greeks, and Romans all had

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<v Speaker 3>ideas of millions of years and or biological evolution and

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<v Speaker 3>added them into their beliefs.

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<v Speaker 2>Almost like the Earth being millions of years old and

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<v Speaker 2>biological organisms changing over time are both such obvious concepts

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<v Speaker 2>that pretty much every religion felt the need to deal

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<v Speaker 2>with them. I know that's probably not the real explanation here. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>the most likely scenarios that Calvin is misrepresenting the beliefs

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<v Speaker 2>of these religions. I know that Hinduism is pretty explicit

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<v Speaker 2>about the universe being millions of years old, but the

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<v Speaker 2>way that evolution is interpreted to fit within Hinduism is

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<v Speaker 2>found primarily in the ten avatars of Vishnu. When Vishnu

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<v Speaker 2>visits the Earth, he will appear in one of his

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<v Speaker 2>ten forms or avatars, and the first six avatars kind

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<v Speaker 2>of look like an evolutionary progression if you squint real hard,

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<v Speaker 2>ignore a bunch of missing steps, and pretend that the

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<v Speaker 2>last few steps are remotely close to resembling evolution. Somehow

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<v Speaker 2>it goes fish, turtle, bore, human line hybrid, a dwarf god,

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<v Speaker 2>and then a Brahmin warrior. I don't know what part

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<v Speaker 2>of our modern understanding of evolution deals with human line

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<v Speaker 2>hybrids and gods with dwarf ism, but good on them

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<v Speaker 2>for being inclusive, I guess. Also, if we're looking at

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<v Speaker 2>this as an evolutionary chain leading to humans, it fails

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<v Speaker 2>Roman and Greeks, we have philosophers like an aximander, Is, Xenophanes, Empedocles,

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<v Speaker 2>out of a primordial water scenario. Empedocles thought that the

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<v Speaker 2>came together through the power of love. Okay, the word

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<v Speaker 2>given that Hinduism, ancient Roman, and ancient Greek philosophy didn't

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<v Speaker 3>Into without access to the facts commonly held up today

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<v Speaker 3>by modern evolutionists as proof of evolution. The geologic column, DNA,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Now, they did not have access to all of

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<v Speaker 2>of evolution, inasmuch as you can call it a picture

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<v Speaker 2>of evolution, is rudimentary and out of focus. Their work,

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<v Speaker 2>plus the work of countless other philosophers and scientists throughout

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<v Speaker 2>the centuries, is what makes our modern understanding of evolution possible.

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<v Speaker 2>And hell, while we're here, given some of what apparently

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<v Speaker 2>from the mud of the early Earth, Christianity could just

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<v Speaker 2>as easily be included on his lispt. It's even got

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<v Speaker 2>a closer approximation of evolutionary progression than Hinduism. When you

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<v Speaker 2>look at the order of creation, sea creatures come before

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<v Speaker 2>land animals, which are followed by humans. Sure, birds and

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<v Speaker 2>plants are in the wrong spot, but this is at

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<v Speaker 2>least talking about how these things actually came to exist,

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, Christianity supports evolution.

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<v Speaker 3>The fact is there have always been people who have

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<v Speaker 3>to its logical conclusions by applying it to their interpretations

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<v Speaker 2>Are you really out here saying that the adherence to

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<v Speaker 2>these ancient religions formed their ideas that you credited to

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<v Speaker 2>their religions because they were actually a bunch of atheists?

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<v Speaker 2>Does nobody review your scripts? I mean, I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't tell you how many times I've started a

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<v Speaker 2>so never got around it. Secondly, but I'm also a

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<v Speaker 2>Did you pay for time out of the editing cage?

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<v Speaker 2>I thought not anyway. Like I was saying, I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>end of that process, would there. I guess that's the

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<v Speaker 2>trade off when you make being abysmally wrong, a core

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<v Speaker 3>As a poignant example, Charles Darwin's atheistic grandfather, Erasmus, formulated

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<v Speaker 3>similar ideas and published them in a book called Zoonomia

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<v Speaker 3>in seventeen ninety four, some sixty five years before Charles's

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he hit on some evolutionary ideas that were in

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<v Speaker 2>the same vein as Lamarckian evolution, which is the idea

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<v Speaker 2>that organisms could pass on characteristics they developed during their lifetime.

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<v Speaker 2>Like if you worked out a lot and had lots

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<v Speaker 2>muscley baby. It's Lamarckian evolution. But more to the point,

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<v Speaker 2>Zoonomia was not a work of evolutionary biology. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a wide ranging two volume work covering basically everything Erasmus

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<v Speaker 2>knew about biology, and it only had a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>paragraphs related to evolution. Now, there is little to no

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<v Speaker 2>evidence that Erasmus Darwin's understanding of evolution had any direct

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<v Speaker 2>impact on Charles Darwin's development of the theory. But if

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<v Speaker 2>I set that aside and assume that this is the

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<v Speaker 2>in Charles's mind. Then we're just back to where we started.

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<v Speaker 2>Charles Darwin was not working in a vacuum. He did

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<v Speaker 2>building on the discoveries of previous scientists, because that's how

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<v Speaker 3>Zunomia outlined a completely naturalistic explanation of the world, which

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<v Speaker 3>cosmic explosion, life began in the sea, became progressively more complex,

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<v Speaker 3>and eventually became people, and that all happened over millions

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<v Speaker 2>Zoonomia is, as far as I can tell without actually

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<v Speaker 2>reading the whole damn thing, entirely a work of biology.

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<v Speaker 2>But Erasmus was a bit of a polymath. He was

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<v Speaker 2>primarily a physician, but he was also a somewhat prolific poet,

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<v Speaker 2>idea of the Big Bang, though being in the form

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<v Speaker 2>of poetry, it is incredibly unlikely that he was actually

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<v Speaker 2>working out the astronomical details, but was rather doing poetry.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, like I said, he was a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a polymath, dabbling in engineering and chemistry as well. He

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<v Speaker 2>had a bunch of inventions under his belt, and even

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<v Speaker 2>be invented for another century or so. So yeah, he

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<v Speaker 2>fact that he was an abolitionist and advocate for women's education,

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<v Speaker 2>though admittedly through a modern lens, his idea of educating

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<v Speaker 2>women wasn't exactly the model of equality. But yeah, he

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<v Speaker 3>Again, notice that all of these assumptions were concluded without

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<v Speaker 2>I mean without all of them, sure, but many of

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<v Speaker 2>them were there right from the start, from the fifth

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<v Speaker 2>century BCE, we already had Xenophanes using fossil evidence to

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<v Speaker 2>was wrong about the details, but that's the thing. Remember

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<v Speaker 2>how you said they came to these conclusions without all

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<v Speaker 2>of our modern evidence. Well, all of our modern evidence

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<v Speaker 2>is how we know that these scientists and philosophers of

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<v Speaker 2>the past were on the right track, but had a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of the details wrong. As we learn more, the

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<v Speaker 2>picture became clearer. But long ages has been pretty clear

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<v Speaker 2>from pretty much about as long as humans have been

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<v Speaker 2>of long ages hasn't been as universally accepted as either

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<v Speaker 2>of us have implied. So remember that Lucretius guy, the

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<v Speaker 2>guy who had a rudimentary understanding of natural selection and

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<v Speaker 2>He actually thought that the Earth was quite young, on

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<v Speaker 2>that were earlier than the Trojan War. Aristotle, on the

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<v Speaker 2>other hand, thought that the Earth was eternal. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this story that you're telling of a monolithic idea of

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<v Speaker 2>longer than we've had the evidence for evolution and an

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<v Speaker 3>And note that my conclusion isn't simply the musing of

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<v Speaker 2>At this point, I wouldn't say it's even the simple

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<v Speaker 2>musing of a bias creationist because honestly, I'm not even

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<v Speaker 2>sure that you believe what you preach. I have caught

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<v Speaker 2>the Aig Crew in enough blatant lies that it wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>surprise me at all if Calvin were engaged in pure

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<v Speaker 2>grifting here at the released. I find it incredibly hard

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<v Speaker 2>easily as he does is in any way sincere about

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<v Speaker 3>Secular professor of biology Douglas Futiema also laid out the

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<v Speaker 3>scope of possibilities regarding the question of origins quite succinctly

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<v Speaker 3>when he stated creation and evolution between them exhaust the

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<v Speaker 3>appeared on the earth fully developed or they did not.

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<v Speaker 3>If they did not, they must have developed from pre

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<v Speaker 3>existing species by some process of modification. If they did

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<v Speaker 3>appear in a fully developed state, they must indeed have

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<v Speaker 3>been created by some omnipotent intelligence, for no natural process

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<v Speaker 3>could possibly form inanimate molecules into an elephant or a

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<v Speaker 2>And then, to complete the quote, if species were created

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<v Speaker 2>out of nothing in their present form, they will bear

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<v Speaker 2>within them no evidence of a former history. If they

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<v Speaker 2>are the result of historical development, any evidence of history

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<v Speaker 2>is evidence of evolution. With my completion of the quote,

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<v Speaker 2>we have now heard the entire opening paragraph to chapter

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<v Speaker 2>eleven of his book Science on Trial, The Case for Evolution.

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<v Speaker 2>This chapter, called the Case for Evolution, begins by setting

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<v Speaker 2>up the dichotomy between creation and evolution, and then goes

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<v Speaker 2>on to make the negative case for revolution in the

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<v Speaker 2>form of explaining the problems with creationism, before proceeding on

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<v Speaker 2>to the positive case for evolution. Now, in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>the dichotomy that he set up is not necessarily a

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<v Speaker 2>the benefit of hindsight. We know enough about evolution now

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<v Speaker 2>that any naturalistic alternative to evolution has quite the bart

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<v Speaker 2>clear before it can even begin to be taken seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not aware of any supernatural alternatives to evolution

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<v Speaker 2>that don't ultimately boil down to a creator deity. Did

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<v Speaker 2>it in one fell swoop. But his saying that it

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<v Speaker 2>was either evolution or instantaneous creation is by no means

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<v Speaker 2>an echo of Calvin's claim that our modern understanding of

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<v Speaker 2>aside from creationism, through all of human history.

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<v Speaker 3>To account for the incredible diversity of things in our universe,

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, the way scientists learned that the Earth was old

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<v Speaker 2>began with their observing of things that would have taken

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<v Speaker 2>a long time to form, followed by them thinking, man,

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<v Speaker 2>those would have taken a long time to form. As

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<v Speaker 2>more and more of these things were observed, we started

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<v Speaker 2>long the Earth has been around for until radiometric dating

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<v Speaker 2>came around and added a couple of zeros to the estimate.

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<v Speaker 2>At any point, if the Earth were actually young, any

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<v Speaker 2>step in this process could have ended up demonstrating that

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<v Speaker 2>no great lengths of time were not actually necessary here,

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<v Speaker 2>But instead every step wound up confirming that, yes, great

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<v Speaker 2>lengths of time were indeed necessary.

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<v Speaker 3>As correctly stated by Fujim, Believing that our universe, with

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<v Speaker 3>such vast complexity could come into being fully formed is

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<v Speaker 3>simply not viable to account for the vast diversity of

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<v Speaker 3>things in our universe, All of these naturalistic processes must

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<v Speaker 3>have happened over an immense amount of deep time if

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<v Speaker 3>there is no creator.

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<v Speaker 2>This quote sent me down a fun little rabbit hole.

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<v Speaker 2>They have the citation for that quote as being the

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<v Speaker 2>same as their last quote his book Science on Trial,

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<v Speaker 2>the Case Revolution, page one ninety seven. Thing is, I

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<v Speaker 2>literally just read that whole chapter and this didn't seem

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<v Speaker 2>familiar to me. So I looked forward again and it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't on that page. No matter. They've messed up their

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<v Speaker 2>citations before. So I'll just search through the book for

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<v Speaker 2>a portion of that quote and huh, no results. That's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I've run into this before when using search operators like

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<v Speaker 2>quotation marks. Any small mistake can yield zero results. Might

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<v Speaker 2>be as simple as a comma missing or me mistyping something.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'll just search for the word viable instead. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not a very common word, so I shouldn't have to

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<v Speaker 2>hunt through much. Huh four results, none of which are

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<v Speaker 2>this quote. Weird Okay, so this quote isn't in the book.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, maybe I'm using a different edition. Maybe he

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<v Speaker 2>said this somewhere else that they just got their citation right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's made up. It's completely made up on the written

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<v Speaker 2>article version of this video. That citation is to an

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<v Speaker 2>older article that Calvin wrote for the Institute for Creation Research.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you go to that article, it's just Calvin

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<v Speaker 2>summarizing what he sees as the atheist position. Calvin quoted

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<v Speaker 2>himself and then attributed his words to an evolutionary biologist

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<v Speaker 2>to give them more weight. What are you doing here, Calvin?

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<v Speaker 3>To arrive at a point where we can observe all

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<v Speaker 3>that we see around us today, there would have had

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<v Speaker 3>to have been, and presumably still are, innumerable changes from

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<v Speaker 3>simple to more complex taking place in matter over time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there both have been and still are. In

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<v Speaker 2>one experiment, a self replicating RNA evolved into five DISTINCTI

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<v Speaker 2>lineages and eventually settled into a fairly stable ecosystem with

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<v Speaker 2>parasite host relationships as well as cooperative relationships. A simple

468
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<v Speaker 2>strand of RNA developed into a complex micro ecosystem. So

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<v Speaker 2>there you go.

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<v Speaker 3>So, in essence, the concept of millions of years is

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<v Speaker 3>an absolute philosophical necessity for an atheistic worldview.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it isn't. If the universe had, through completely naturalistic processes,

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<v Speaker 2>formed six thousand years ago, then that would not inherently

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<v Speaker 2>rule out naturalism. It's just that there is so much

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<v Speaker 2>evidence for an ancient Earth and universe that the only

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<v Speaker 2>way the universe could possibly be young is through some

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<v Speaker 2>variation of last thursdayism, the idea that God created the

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<v Speaker 2>universe last Thursday, but made everything in such a way

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<v Speaker 2>as to give the impression of age, including imbuing you

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<v Speaker 2>with memories that go back to before last Thursday. That

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<v Speaker 2>is essentially what creationism is. How can we see starlight

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<v Speaker 2>that had to be traveling for billions of years in

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<v Speaker 2>order to reach the Earth easy? God made the universe

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<v Speaker 2>with starlight already in transit. He made trees with growth

485
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<v Speaker 2>rings already in place. He made rocks with isotope concentrations that,

486
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<v Speaker 2>when measured, would definitively prove that they are millions to

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<v Speaker 2>billions of years old. That is just as absurd as

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<v Speaker 2>last thursdayism, and it is the model that creationists rely

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<v Speaker 2>on in order to claim that creationism is true. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>back to the point, it's not that long ages are

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<v Speaker 2>prerequisite of atheism. It's that atheism gives us no reason

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<v Speaker 2>to doubt the plethora of evidence for long ages, so

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<v Speaker 2>atheists are fine accepting them. Notably, there are plenty of

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<v Speaker 2>Christians who accept them as well, because, as it turns out,

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<v Speaker 2>a young Earth is not a philosophical necessity for Christianity

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<v Speaker 2>any more than an old Earth is a philosophical necessity

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<v Speaker 2>for atheism.

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<v Speaker 3>At this point, some people might object and say, what mess.

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<v Speaker 3>Philosophically these elements are required for an atheistic worldview, But

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<v Speaker 3>if that's what the facts prove, then it's simply confirmation

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<v Speaker 3>that their worldview is correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you just got your premise wrong. As I have

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<v Speaker 2>stated so often on this channel, atheism is the answer

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<v Speaker 2>to one question, do you believe that a god or

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<v Speaker 2>god exists? If the answer is no, you are an atheist,

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<v Speaker 2>irrespective of your belief about the age of the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, go on.

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<v Speaker 3>However, it's not quite that simple. Why because facts don't

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<v Speaker 3>prove anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm sorry, Calvin, I didn't realize that you were

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<v Speaker 2>one of those people who thinks that truth is relative.

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<v Speaker 2>I've noticed that there seems to be some weird inconsistencies

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<v Speaker 2>in your worldview.

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<v Speaker 3>Facts are always interpreted, and then the interpretations can be

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<v Speaker 3>used as evidence to support whatever proposed historical narrative one desires.

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<v Speaker 2>Not really I mean, a single fact in a vacuum

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<v Speaker 2>might be able to work that way, but when you

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<v Speaker 2>take a bunch of them together and then use them

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<v Speaker 2>to make predictions, some interpretations become impossible to support. That's

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<v Speaker 2>actually covered pretty well in the first half of chapter

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<v Speaker 2>eleven of the book that you quoted earlier. Maybe you

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<v Speaker 2>should read more than the introductory paragraph next time. Then

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<v Speaker 2>we can actually give an example of a prediction made

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<v Speaker 2>with evolutionary assumptions by just going back to what Calvin

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<v Speaker 2>said and how I responded a couple of minutes ago.

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<v Speaker 2>He said that if evolution is true, there would have

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<v Speaker 2>to have been changes from simple to more complex, and

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<v Speaker 2>these mechanisms should still be working today, so we should

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<v Speaker 2>still be able to see it today. That is a prediction,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's actually a pretty good one. In fact, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not just a prediction that creationists used to call evolution

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<v Speaker 2>into question. It's one that evolutionary researchers have made as well.

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<v Speaker 2>As such, they designed the RNA experience that I referenced

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<v Speaker 2>in response to this, which shows a natural tendency of

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<v Speaker 2>an increasing complexity in an evolutionary system. Creationism, though, makes

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<v Speaker 2>no such predictions, or rather the predictions that it does

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<v Speaker 2>make tend to fail. If the universe was created six

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<v Speaker 2>thousand years ago, we shouldn't be able to see stars

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<v Speaker 2>that are much farther away than six thousand light years.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be bigger than that because of the expansion

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<v Speaker 2>of space time. So let's be generous and give them

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred thousand light years. Well, without even busting out

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<v Speaker 2>the telescope, you can see the Androma galaxy, which is

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<v Speaker 2>two point five million light years away. So they fail

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<v Speaker 2>that prediction. To quote the second page of chapter eleven

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<v Speaker 2>of Science on trial, quote, if the creationist says that

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<v Speaker 2>everything in the world, no matter how arbitrary, useless, or cruel,

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<v Speaker 2>is just what we should expect of the Creator's infinitely

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<v Speaker 2>inscrutable wisdom, he is tacitly admitting that creationism can predict

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<v Speaker 2>nothing and so cannot be science. That didn't really fit

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<v Speaker 2>with my astronomy analogy being focused on biology at all,

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<v Speaker 2>but it still applies and proves that I read more

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<v Speaker 2>of the book than Calvin did, so suck it.

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<v Speaker 3>Case in point fossils. Both biblical creationists and evolutionists will

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<v Speaker 3>point to the fossil record observable facts to support their

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<v Speaker 3>beliefs about the past.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just that creationists are objectively and demonstrably wrong

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<v Speaker 2>in their interpretation because their interpretation either makes no predictions

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<v Speaker 2>about what we'll find, or else the predictions that it

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<v Speaker 2>does make fail spectacularly, but they interpret those same facts

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<v Speaker 2>and arrive at completely different conclusions. For example, evolutionists will

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<v Speaker 2>typically assign vast ages to dinosaur fossils by a sign

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<v Speaker 2>here he means measure, but continue.

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<v Speaker 3>As according to their proposed naturalistic history of life on Earth,

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<v Speaker 3>dinosaurs existed millions of years prior to humans.

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<v Speaker 2>You're framing it wrong. No surprises there. Fossils are actually

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<v Speaker 2>a part of the evidence that points to an old Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't decide to pretend that the fossils are old

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<v Speaker 2>in order to support the idea that we already had

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<v Speaker 2>that the Earth was old. They just did that.

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<v Speaker 3>They typically cite the rock layers in which these fossils

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<v Speaker 3>are entombed, claiming that they were laid down slowly over

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<v Speaker 3>millions of years of sedimentary deposition.

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<v Speaker 2>We about to see him encourage a creationist misconception that

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<v Speaker 2>makes them look super idiotic when talking to anyone who

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<v Speaker 2>knows the first thing about this subject.

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<v Speaker 3>However, biblical creationists interpret these same fossilized bones the facts

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<v Speaker 3>as being evidence of the historical account of Noah's flood,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's a fact that caused the rapid burial of

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<v Speaker 3>the vast majority of the fossil record.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so there we go. Rapid burial is usually part

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<v Speaker 2>of the fossilization process. It's what allows in organisms remains

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<v Speaker 2>to persist long enough for the organic matter to be

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<v Speaker 2>replaced with minerals, usually as I seep in through groundwater.

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<v Speaker 2>Creationist apologists will pretend not to know the difference between

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<v Speaker 2>some layers formed slowly through millions of years of deposition,

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<v Speaker 2>and sometimes the remains of an organism can be buried

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<v Speaker 2>quickly and incorporated into a rock layer, thus leaving their

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<v Speaker 2>audience with the misunderstanding that the conventional view is that

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<v Speaker 2>all the rock layers form through extremely slow deposition, so

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<v Speaker 2>any fossilized organism has to have been left exposed and

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<v Speaker 2>untouched for thousands of years without decaying in order to

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<v Speaker 2>have been fossilized. But like volcanoes are a thing that exist,

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<v Speaker 2>mud slides happen. How even flooding can accomplish. This from

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<v Speaker 2>for creationists is that we can tell which environments existed

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<v Speaker 2>in the past by looking at the rock layers, and

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<v Speaker 2>it turns out that global flood is just completely absent

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<v Speaker 2>from the geologic record. In fact, if the majority of

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<v Speaker 2>the rock layers were laid down in the global flood,

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<v Speaker 2>as Calvin claims to believe, then there wouldn't be distinct

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<v Speaker 2>rock layers. The whole thing would be one big flood deposit.

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<v Speaker 2>So add that to the list of failed creationist predictions.

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<v Speaker 2>So which explanation is right, the one that makes testable

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<v Speaker 2>predictions that, when put to the test, actually hold up.

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<v Speaker 3>We would argue that a dinosaur, some of them being

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<v Speaker 3>over six feet tall and slumped over in depth, would

607
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<v Speaker 3>have had to have been buried extremely fast for it

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<v Speaker 3>to have not decayed and become disarticulated.

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<v Speaker 2>So would I, and there are lots of ways for

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<v Speaker 2>that to happen that are not a single global flood

611
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<v Speaker 2>event that happened four thousand years ago and was ignored

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<v Speaker 2>by several civilizations whose written records go right through that

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<v Speaker 2>time period, like the Egyptians.

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<v Speaker 3>We would also point out that the discovery of soft

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<v Speaker 3>tissues remaining inside many of these bones are powerful evidence

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<v Speaker 3>of a massive cataclysma a short while ago, approximately forty

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<v Speaker 3>four hundred years that buried them rapidly.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really know how microscopic amounts of tissue are

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<v Speaker 2>still soft translates to massive cataclysm forty four hundred years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>But again we can make some predictions here. If creationism

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<v Speaker 2>is true, then with what we know of the permineralization process,

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<v Speaker 2>most fossils should be mostly original material. Soft tissue shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>just be microscopic and buried in the most protected areas

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<v Speaker 2>of the fossil. It should be everywhere, along with fully

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<v Speaker 2>recoverable genetic material. But it's not, so that's another point

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<v Speaker 2>against creationism.

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<v Speaker 3>However, neither group has a time machine in which to

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<v Speaker 3>travel back and verify their interpretations of the exact same

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<v Speaker 3>facts with absolute certainty.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll just have to stick with predictive power, which

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<v Speaker 2>unequivocally shows younger creationism to be impossible unless God is

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<v Speaker 2>a trickster God doing his version of Last Thursdayism.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's up to each individual deliberating these explanations to

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<v Speaker 3>decide which interpretation of the facts are better than the others.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we've reached a point where creationism is well and

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<v Speaker 2>truly ruled out.

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<v Speaker 3>Whether you like it or not, And the same goes

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<v Speaker 3>for whatever other facts one points to. In the Origins debate,

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<v Speaker 3>arch atheist and anti creationist evolutionist Richard Dawkins.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, for's sake, he's the arch atheist. Now my word,

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<v Speaker 2>You guys like to hype up the authority figures. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So what did cultural Christian and guy who writes articles

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<v Speaker 2>about how he thinks Claude is conscious now think?

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<v Speaker 3>In speaking about the evidence for evolution in defense of

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<v Speaker 3>his atheistic worldview, once said, you have got millions and

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<v Speaker 3>millions of pieces of evidence which no reasonable person can

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<v Speaker 3>possibly dispute.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, that nothing burger of a quote is what you

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<v Speaker 2>felt the need to drag up, Richard, I can't condemn

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<v Speaker 2>mild pedophilia Dawkins to support. Yeah, there's a bajillion data

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<v Speaker 2>points and support evolution. What else do you have?

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<v Speaker 3>These facts, he points to, can easily be disputed and

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<v Speaker 3>interpreted towards a biblical explanation, far more convincingly than the

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<v Speaker 3>materialistic counterparts he espouses.

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<v Speaker 2>By easily, he means you have to go through so

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<v Speaker 2>many mental contortions that you wind up tying your brain

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<v Speaker 2>into a Gordian knot.

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<v Speaker 3>For example, no one has even proposed a reasonable explanation

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<v Speaker 3>as to how DNA, which Dawkins admits being like a

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<v Speaker 3>digital code, could have occurred without intelligence.

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<v Speaker 2>It took literal seconds of googling to find an academic

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<v Speaker 2>article titled Origin and Evolution of DNA and DNA replication

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<v Speaker 2>machineries do better calvin it must have.

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<v Speaker 3>Its origin from an intelligent mind, as no coded language

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<v Speaker 3>system has ever been observed to come about naturalistically.

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<v Speaker 2>And that includes DNA, because, as it turns out, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not a coded language system. If it were a coded

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<v Speaker 2>language system, then we'd be able to figure out what

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<v Speaker 2>genes do by reading the code. But instead researchers have

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<v Speaker 2>to do a bunch of experiments that repeatedly activating in

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<v Speaker 2>deactivating specific genes in various biochemical environments and then noting

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<v Speaker 2>the differences. And that's actually a very oversimplified picture of

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<v Speaker 2>how they figure this out. In no way is DNA

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<v Speaker 2>as simple and straightforward as a coded language system. It's

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<v Speaker 2>almost like it's a mess of chemical reactions that develop

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<v Speaker 2>from previous messes of chemical reactions.

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<v Speaker 3>Or what about microbiology or astronomy, which is the more

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<v Speaker 3>reasonable explanation for the incredible complexity we observe in the

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<v Speaker 3>simplest of living things.

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<v Speaker 2>Evolution. Simplicity is a hallmark of good design. If you're

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<v Speaker 2>designing a thing, then that thing should be no more

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<v Speaker 2>complex than it needs to be to do what you're

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<v Speaker 2>designing it to do. More complexity means more ways for

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<v Speaker 2>things to go wrong. So the fact that the simplest

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<v Speaker 2>of organisms is way more complex than it needs to

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<v Speaker 2>be points to evolution, not intelligent design.

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<v Speaker 3>All the way from the mind boggling precision in space

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<v Speaker 3>discovered through incredibly powerful telescopes, there.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't really any precision in space. It's just a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of material interacting gravitationally with each other.

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<v Speaker 3>When interpreted correctly, these facts point to our wondrous creator,

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<v Speaker 3>the God of the Bible, quite easily, but fly in

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<v Speaker 3>the face of naturalistic interpretations.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, when interpreted correctly, you realize that we wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>able to see ninety nine percent of the stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>we can see if the universe were indeed only six

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<v Speaker 2>thousand years old. But I do wonder how does the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that light from distant objects has been in transit

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<v Speaker 2>from millions to billions of years thus allowing us to

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<v Speaker 2>see things that are millions to billions of light years

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<v Speaker 2>away fly in the face of the naturalistic interpretation that

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<v Speaker 2>the universe is billions of years old.

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<v Speaker 3>The challenge is most people, including Christians, have only ever

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<v Speaker 3>seen an evolutionary explanation of these facts, and so conclude

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<v Speaker 3>they must somehow be correct. They often don't even realize

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<v Speaker 3>there are other interpretations available and think the evolutionary interpretation

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<v Speaker 3>itself is akin to fact.

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<v Speaker 2>I very much doubt all that, at least in North America,

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<v Speaker 2>where massive chunks of the population are younger as creationists,

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<v Speaker 2>the numbers are something like forty percent of Americans and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three percent of Canadians believing that God created people

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<v Speaker 2>in their current form within the last ten thousand years.

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<v Speaker 2>In raw numbers, that's about one hundred and forty six

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<v Speaker 2>million people just in Canada and the United States that

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<v Speaker 2>are on Calvin side in this debate. Despite overwhelming lack

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<v Speaker 2>of evidence for creationism and the plethora of evidence for evolution.

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<v Speaker 3>It's actually easy to see why so many people believe

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<v Speaker 3>in the story of evolution today because state runs, school

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<v Speaker 3>systems and media throughout the Western world teach it as fact.

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<v Speaker 3>In science to impressionable children.

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<v Speaker 2>Everywhere I know, right heaven forbid, facts and science are

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<v Speaker 2>taught us facts and science to children. They might end

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<v Speaker 2>up learning facts and science if we keep this up.

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<v Speaker 3>However, this interpretation of everything is based on a philosophy

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<v Speaker 3>called secular humanism, founded on atheistic principles.

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to point out that the images using

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<v Speaker 2>to drum up fear of North America being overrun with

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<v Speaker 2>secularists are all AI generated, So clearly the problem must

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<v Speaker 2>not be that bad if they need to use image

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<v Speaker 2>generation to make fake pictures of the things that they're

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<v Speaker 2>afraid of. Right, That's where I'm going to leave it

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<v Speaker 2>for today. He just goes into some remode after this.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's comment today comes just from Copprofish, who says, sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>but given the environmental impact of gender of AI, I

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<v Speaker 2>do not believe a video like this is ethically justifiable,

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<v Speaker 2>leaving my first ever dislike and will not be watching

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<v Speaker 2>this video. This was on my AI Jesus video from

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<v Speaker 2>last week where I had a conversation with an AI

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus chatbot and went over some of the very scummy

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<v Speaker 2>business practices of the company that was offering the chatbot.

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<v Speaker 2>And yes, the environmental impact of AI is massive. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to pretend otherwise, but there's two things here

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<v Speaker 2>that I hope may change your perspective slightly. First is

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<v Speaker 2>that the environmental impact of AI is in the same

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<v Speaker 2>sort of category as the environmental impact of recycling. There

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be a massive focus on individual responsibility rather

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<v Speaker 2>than corporate or governmental response. AI uses a lot of resources,

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<v Speaker 2>so you personally should never use it. Meanwhile, the bulk

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<v Speaker 2>of AI use is massive corporations and government contract Your

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<v Speaker 2>individual use is a minuscule drop in the ocean. Same

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<v Speaker 2>with recycling. Yeah, recycling is better than not recycling, but

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't it be better still if we just didn't make

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<v Speaker 2>so many things out of disposable, single use plastics. To

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<v Speaker 2>begin with, AD campaigns promoting recycling were initially paid for

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<v Speaker 2>buy oil companies, and they focus very much on personal responsibility.

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't recycle enough, then a single tear will

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<v Speaker 2>roll down the cheek of the Italian guy playing the

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<v Speaker 2>Native American from that one ad. So instead of there

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<v Speaker 2>being regulations restricting plastic use, it's on the end user

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<v Speaker 2>to recycle responsibly in order to save the planet. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter whether you or I personally use AI. It's

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<v Speaker 2>already being used on a massive scale by massive entities

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<v Speaker 2>that we can't hope to control or rain in without

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<v Speaker 2>governmental action. But second, and possibly more importantly, it seems

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<v Speaker 2>as though shaming people for using AI does not actually

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<v Speaker 2>discourage AI use, but educating them about it does. The

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<v Speaker 2>more you know about these AI bots and how they work,

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<v Speaker 2>the less likely you are to use them, and when

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<v Speaker 2>you do use them, the less likely you are to

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<v Speaker 2>rely on them in problematic ways. If that is true,

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<v Speaker 2>then videos going over some of the problems with AI

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<v Speaker 2>without telling people that they should feel bad for using

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<v Speaker 2>it are much more likely to result in less AI

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<v Speaker 2>use overall than a video telling people that is destructive

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<v Speaker 2>and you should never ever use it and you should

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<v Speaker 2>feel bad if you ever have used it. Along those lines,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually going to leave a link to a Doctor Fatama,

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<v Speaker 2>a video that goes over this along with a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of other issues with AI, and gives advice on how

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<v Speaker 2>to more effectively oppose it. It is a fairly long one,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is very well done. I highly recommend it.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for watching. I'll be back next Friday with more,

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<v Speaker 2>But if you need to get your rutofis in before then.

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<v Speaker 2>I live stream of service every Wednesday eight thirty Eastern

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<v Speaker 2>on my other channel, A Watering Hole, and periodically published

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<v Speaker 2>shorts on the channel Vice Rhino Shorts. Thanks to Piper

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<v Speaker 2>for being my editor and special things is always to

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<v Speaker 2>my patrons, who are the creationists who completely fabricate the

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<v Speaker 2>evolutionary by all just quote. That is my channel. If

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<v Speaker 2>you'd like to blatantly lie will claiming you believe that

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<v Speaker 2>lies are never justifiable, you can join us on Patreon

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<v Speaker 2>channel and one of the other methods that can be

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<v Speaker 2>found at link stop vitron dot com, which is also

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<v Speaker 2>where you find links to my other projects. If for

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<v Speaker 2>whatever reason you want to send me stuff, my piobox

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<v Speaker 2>addresses in the description see and next time, who should need?

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<v Speaker 2>Who's an EP puppy? Who's an EP puppy? And I've

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<v Speaker 2>been sleeping like a dog? Okay, fine, you can stay there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah you're sick of this? What if I get you

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<v Speaker 2>a treat? Oh? Those ears perked up for that. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get you a treat. This is three oh one.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna stop recording, but I have to go

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<v Speaker 2>get the dog a treat for being such a good

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<v Speaker 2>girl sitting with me while I record. I know she

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't like