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Speaker 1: All right, one of my name's Ben. I'm from Tennessee,
Speaker 1: living in Tennessee, well pretty much majority of my life,
Speaker 1: all my whole life, forty three years old. I have
Speaker 1: well we have like seven kids there from twenty two
Speaker 1: all the way down four. There a wild bunch and
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Speaker 5: Awesome, absolutely, and yeah, the last guest I just had
Speaker 5: on literally a few minutes ago that we interviewed Blaine.
Speaker 5: He was telling me the same thing. He would, you know,
Speaker 5: all of these things. He would tell his children this.
Speaker 5: I think they're twelve and eight, kind of the same thing, right,
Speaker 5: He'll tell them all the things that he researches. So, yeah,
Speaker 5: and I think that's really important. That's refreshing because I
Speaker 5: think a lot of people are programmed to give the
Speaker 5: secular Santa Claus stories and everything else. I think while
Speaker 5: some people and maybe it's fairly so's, oh they're harmless,
Speaker 5: but but is there a deeper rooted meaning to them?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, well what was that?
Speaker 5: It's just as far as things, you know, being open
Speaker 5: and honest with your children about the things we believe.
Speaker 1: Oh, definitely got to be open and honest with them.
Speaker 1: I think that's that's more important than anything because there's
Speaker 1: a lot of there's a lot of things that in
Speaker 1: this world that people don't realize that goes on and
Speaker 1: people need to be aware of, especially your loved ones.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I couldn't agree more. And it's the man that's
Speaker 5: the house, you know, the man of the house. I
Speaker 5: should say, it's important that that you know, we we
Speaker 5: speak the truth and no matter how bitter of a taste.
Speaker 5: It may be kind of talk to us about your
Speaker 5: journey down the rabbit hole. Where did you start? I
Speaker 5: guess seeing the world differently than what we were told
Speaker 5: in school.
Speaker 1: Ah man, just like you know, the big one, uh,
Speaker 1: nine to eleven, it was, it was, it was auld
Speaker 1: and I think for for me for sure, because the
Speaker 1: stuff that went on a lot of it, a lot
Speaker 1: of it didn't just really make sense, you know, and
Speaker 1: that right there kind of got me started, you know,
Speaker 1: going down the rabbit hole. I went from that to
Speaker 1: uh you know the uh of course flutters uh you
Speaker 1: know all skull and bones, you know, everything I name it.
Speaker 1: I've probably been down been down that rabbit hole.
Speaker 5: So as far as nine to eleven, if I'm doing
Speaker 5: my math correctly, were you in high school when that happened?
Speaker 1: Oh well, I graduated in Old Warren was actually a
Speaker 1: may Old one, So it was right, I gotcha. So
Speaker 1: uh but I do remember, uh when it happened, I
Speaker 1: was working third shift and like I left my like
Speaker 1: you know, I just got off hall, you know, just
Speaker 1: left my TV on and no woke up like you know,
Speaker 1: of course you said terror in America, you know, and
Speaker 1: I was like you know what's going on. You know,
Speaker 1: they're shoring like planes, hidding buildings, and you know it
Speaker 1: was I think at that time, you know, it was
Speaker 1: it was kind of like unknown for everybody. You know,
Speaker 1: that was something that you know, just you know, really
Speaker 1: didn't happen, and it happened here, and you know it
Speaker 1: was from you know, for a minute, it was scary,
Speaker 1: you know, but even once you got into looking deeper
Speaker 1: into it, with the all of the the findings of
Speaker 1: the nothing nothing, yeah, what they found, what they didn't find,
Speaker 1: you know, So that right there, it was you know, big, real, real,
Speaker 1: real big, you know.
Speaker 5: So yeah, and it was obviously we didn't, like you
Speaker 5: had said, no one is that we've never seen anything
Speaker 5: like that since Pearl Harbor and most of us live
Speaker 5: at that time, right, that that had happened sixty years ago,
Speaker 5: and right, It's interesting how things like the JFK Commission,
Speaker 5: the Warrant Commission, and the nine to eleven Commission produced
Speaker 5: such garbage and uh, oh yeah, I think go ahead,
Speaker 5: go ahead, No, you're go ahead. I was just gonna say,
Speaker 5: COVID I was certainly the last one that woke everybody up.
Speaker 5: And when they that will seeople up to go back
Speaker 5: and look at these rabbit holes like nine to eleven
Speaker 5: and the Gulf of Tonkin and Oklahoma City and Waco
Speaker 5: and all these other events.
Speaker 1: Right right, you know, like since you listened like before
Speaker 1: before COVID happened. I was like, I'll watched these like
Speaker 1: on YouTube. I used to watch you know, people go
Speaker 1: out and you know, talk to people about flat earth.
Speaker 1: And there was this one guy he was he was
Speaker 1: from Minnesota, and uh, he was like he'd always be
Speaker 1: around the campus of Minnesota, you know, you know, talking
Speaker 1: to students, you know, and stuff about flat earth and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. He talked to this one guy and
Speaker 1: you know, the one guy I you know, agreed with
Speaker 1: him as far as about you know, there's being flat
Speaker 1: and he was like, well, do you know what this means?
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, they're they're trying to hide God.
Speaker 1: And uh he was like and one thing's for sure.
Speaker 1: Since they know that, we know, they're going to start
Speaker 1: rolling out their plans a lot quicker and fasting out
Speaker 1: and and just you know it, like the end there
Speaker 1: you go COVID.
Speaker 5: YEP. I think I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 1: And I was saying like and when it happened like
Speaker 1: like you know, like it's almost like none. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: what is this? You know, then once you get to
Speaker 1: start seeing everything, it was like, nah, this ain't right.
Speaker 1: Something they're they're they're doing this, this is this is
Speaker 1: all covernment Yep.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I truly believe that nine to eleven was the
Speaker 5: official proclamation of uh, they're not trying to hide their
Speaker 5: evil anymore.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: I think certain things had to be in place for
Speaker 5: that to happen, and I think the Internet was it,
Speaker 5: the electronic communication and the same with COVID. Most businesses
Speaker 5: would have not stood for it. And I'm talking about
Speaker 5: the big ones, you know, the powers that be, the
Speaker 5: insurance business and all of that, people who could work
Speaker 5: from home, all that, you know, the zoom, all this
Speaker 5: had to be in place and normalize for them to
Speaker 5: pull it off. And that's why I think nine to
Speaker 5: eleven was their official proclamation. Is we are starting the
Speaker 5: final chapter on the on the new World Order?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? Because like what COVID happened, I mean it
Speaker 1: was letting irritant. You can get like alcohol delivered to
Speaker 1: your house, you know, you know, stuff, a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff that they usually wouldn't do. They started to do it,
Speaker 1: you know, for the sake of I guess, convenience for
Speaker 1: people in the safety.
Speaker 5: You know exactly. It was always under the guys of say, yeah,
Speaker 5: some of the things you'd get arrested for getting liquor
Speaker 5: through its if through in some states you get arrested for.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, but but there it is. It was, it
Speaker 1: was okay, it's okay, and it's probably like door dash
Speaker 1: is probably so you know common now you know, they
Speaker 1: kind of use that to you know, kickstart that and
Speaker 1: you know that, like I said, that probably already been
Speaker 1: in place for when that happens, so they can go
Speaker 1: ahead and do that.
Speaker 5: That's a great point because most people wouldn't pay that
Speaker 5: extra money that Why would I pay an extra ten
Speaker 5: dollars for a fee? And then you know they upgrade
Speaker 5: the cost on everything else when I could just go
Speaker 5: down and pick it up myself. They normally, and that
Speaker 5: goes to show how we as humans are easily manipulated.
Speaker 5: They've normalized things that we don't even comprehend unless you
Speaker 5: stand back and think, oh wow, you know, look how
Speaker 5: they've normalized our world today. Our world just five years
Speaker 5: ago is so much different than it was in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: Right right, yeah, it is. I mean plus you know,
Speaker 1: like of course, like back when not Alma with the
Speaker 1: whole past, the Patriot Act and all of that type
Speaker 1: of stuf. You know. So it's like I said, they
Speaker 1: they definitely was being five ten steps ahead of everybody
Speaker 1: else of what they're trying to do. You know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, It's it's hard to convey that to people that
Speaker 5: the government wants us to be in a constant state
Speaker 5: of fear, so we're constantly depending on them. Without the
Speaker 5: fear we can walk away from their dependence.
Speaker 1: Right right, yeah, because they want that type of support
Speaker 1: for the people. Therefore they continue to do what they're
Speaker 1: doing without you know, people knowing you know everything.
Speaker 5: How how did COVID affect you and your family over
Speaker 5: the course of everything? Was it, like so, was it
Speaker 5: divisive in any part or you know?
Speaker 1: I mean, well, I guess you know, well everybody you
Speaker 1: know had that had their you know as far as
Speaker 1: let their opinion on it, and you know, it really
Speaker 1: wasn't a big I say, it really just didn't color
Speaker 1: big you know division in my family, you know, because
Speaker 1: like I said, everybody had to paint on it, so
Speaker 1: you know if you felt, you know, we still you know,
Speaker 1: you still had some still wear the masks and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, and you know social distance. You know, we
Speaker 1: just just kind of just kind of, you know, just
Speaker 1: respect people for what they want, you know. But you know,
Speaker 1: at the same time, they did the same for you.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: So, like I said, it really just didn't cause a
Speaker 1: big risk of my family. But I I say, I
Speaker 1: do know you know people that I known people that
Speaker 1: passed from it. Uh uh, you know, just like you know,
Speaker 1: just like everybody else. So yeah, but other than that,
Speaker 1: like I said, it really just wasn't a big issue
Speaker 1: in my family.
Speaker 5: They loved the divide and conquer right. That's it was masks,
Speaker 5: no mask, vaccine, no vaccine, And a lot of it
Speaker 5: is mockery, like some of the things that they do,
Speaker 5: whether it's Biden walking or trumps in the ear, all
Speaker 5: of that is really mockery to get us talking about
Speaker 5: this stuff, and behind the scenes they're laughing. Because the
Speaker 5: world we live in is not organic. It's it's a
Speaker 5: created matrix with fake money, and we pay for their
Speaker 5: energy which could be produced for free. And they tell
Speaker 5: us we live on a spinning ball, which we don't.
Speaker 1: Right right right, Yeah, Like it's just like when you
Speaker 1: talk about like the free energy, like uh no, I
Speaker 1: go a garden sometimes, like it's it's small garden, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, like tomato, squash, know, zucchini, you know, stuff
Speaker 1: like small stuff you know, for but I notice if
Speaker 1: I put a like pizza, like like copper, like a
Speaker 1: copper waters or like the tomato cages and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: it the plant, it yields better. Yep. And and you know,
Speaker 1: I got looking up and reading stuff. I guess they
Speaker 1: call it like electro gardening something like that. I guess
Speaker 1: it's I guess it's pulling energy from the etherrough itself.
Speaker 1: And it's the tiny concept when I tell people that,
Speaker 1: I say, it's like the same concept when you see
Speaker 1: how reeds grow around fences and stuff so much, because
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's making it grow quicker than you know,
Speaker 1: yield pastor.
Speaker 5: Yeah, some people call it permaculture. I've heard it called
Speaker 5: electro culture. And there are things you can buy right
Speaker 5: off of Amazon, these rods. They're called electroculture eighteen inch
Speaker 5: these things that kind of go into these you know,
Speaker 5: with these copper antennas almost and they harness. I guess
Speaker 5: what you could call atmosphere electricity and it works. There's
Speaker 5: people have entire podcasts based on this.
Speaker 1: Right, I guess that's the ether.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, the ether that doesn't exist according to science.
Speaker 1: Right right right? Yeah? Yeah? Oh yeah yeah, so so yeah,
Speaker 1: like I said, stuff like that. It's like I say,
Speaker 1: I try to I trust bread mouths knowledge about stuff
Speaker 1: like that. You know here and there, you know. But
Speaker 1: but yeah, like the whole we we live in a
Speaker 1: like sit there's nothing organic about this place. Nothing, Nope, nothing.
Speaker 5: From the music industry to the movies that they show,
Speaker 5: everything is created for a reason and to get us
Speaker 5: to react to a certain way, to have a conversations
Speaker 5: about certain things, and much of the stuff that they
Speaker 5: put out now even the movie theaters, to get us
Speaker 5: to argue amongst each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of us like remake because nobody
Speaker 1: can do nothing on our own. It's all, you know,
Speaker 1: remakes of something else.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I have a question for you. Okay, So with
Speaker 5: this electro culture, permaculture, gardening, if if if the ether right,
Speaker 5: if the ether can help plants grow? Oh, would it
Speaker 5: benefit us our health? If we a couple of times
Speaker 5: a day had something similar to that on our body too,
Speaker 5: and to go out and ground ourselves between the ground
Speaker 5: and the ether.
Speaker 1: Right right, like like those like copper bracelets.
Speaker 5: Or yeah, similar to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah you like something, you know, like stuff like that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you would think it should.
Speaker 5: There's plenty of YouTube videos that show garden a with
Speaker 5: with the electroculture gardening and b same plot of land,
Speaker 5: different corner, and ninety nine times out of one hundred,
Speaker 5: the elector culture grows faster and more bountiful. So if
Speaker 5: it works for I guess my question is if it
Speaker 5: works for one living thing, couldn't it work for another?
Speaker 1: Yeah? It should? Why not it should? I believe it would.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I definitely definitely think so.
Speaker 5: They I mean they hide the truth about everything else
Speaker 5: that you know, who knows what?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 5: That maybe that's the reason they live an entire generation longer,
Speaker 5: that they they're able to harness some kind of you know,
Speaker 5: ether that extends their life that in ways that our
Speaker 5: families you know don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they they definitely don't eat the same food
Speaker 1: that we eat. I probably they're messing or whatever is
Speaker 1: probably a lot more better than ours. He's probably not
Speaker 1: TOOMCA bates probably more plant based. Uh, like it should
Speaker 1: I mean from what I came across, should be more
Speaker 1: like plant based than chemical base. I mean, okay, wrong,
Speaker 1: I'm not a parmer sin sor or talk or anything,
Speaker 1: but I mean that kind of it kind of makes sense.
Speaker 1: I mean because I mean they didn't even Rockefeller actually
Speaker 1: stop but was it Rockefeller or the Vanderbilts that was
Speaker 1: like they stop? Well they was they wouldn't fund schools
Speaker 1: that well that yeah, that was Rockefeller, okay, okay, yeah
Speaker 1: yeah so so yeah, so like I said, yeah, they
Speaker 1: know something.
Speaker 5: Yep, that they hijacked not just education, they hijacked the
Speaker 5: medical industry at the turn of the century in the
Speaker 5: early nineteen hundred. Sure, right. They wouldn't fund schools that
Speaker 5: taught holistic teachings. They wanted them to sell pharmaceuticals they
Speaker 5: saw they could foresee how rich and empowering. And also,
Speaker 5: you can't have a medical industry unless you have sick people.
Speaker 5: And through the food, through the camtrails and everything else,
Speaker 5: we are a sick nation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, can't make money, but healthy patiens.
Speaker 5: No, And that's one of the problems. When you have healthcare,
Speaker 5: you know, become a corporation. The patient is no longer
Speaker 5: the most important asset. It's the shareholders, right right.
Speaker 1: I mean, like like far As when it comes to
Speaker 1: Macal moving wrong, there's a lot of people that you know,
Speaker 1: they you know, they did okay, a lot of time
Speaker 1: and energy, you know, for the mass. You have some
Speaker 1: people to actually have soon to actually care about people
Speaker 1: and want people to get better. But I mean you
Speaker 1: also have you know, a good majority poly wants to
Speaker 1: just make as much money as they can, you know.
Speaker 1: And and it's the and it's the good ones, I say,
Speaker 1: they're I guess it all bumbed up with with the
Speaker 1: bad ones. You know, you know, it's the bad ones
Speaker 1: give you know, the whole thing a bad look, even
Speaker 1: though you have people that do genuinely care about you know,
Speaker 1: want to help people and want people to get better.
Speaker 5: For sure. You know, I think it's more the system
Speaker 5: than the doctors. I think most people go in the
Speaker 5: medical industry to want to make change, to help people,
Speaker 5: But it's it's what they're taught in the system that
Speaker 5: that that they're in. You know, we yeah, we have
Speaker 5: a prescription for that, no worries. And if that doesn't work.
Speaker 5: We have a prescription for that as well. And if
Speaker 5: that has a side effect, no worries.
Speaker 1: We have a prescription, right, yeah, yeah, it's a prescription
Speaker 1: for your side effect. And then yeah yeah yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, like I'm I'm real. I'm not big on
Speaker 1: taking medicine. If I get like, you know, like a
Speaker 1: headache or I just ride it out, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: I really just don't try to take u you know,
Speaker 1: uh something port you know, I'm when it comes to medicine,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm real.
Speaker 5: If you on medicine, yeah, most everything has a side effect.
Speaker 5: You know, in medicine, A lot of this stuff or
Speaker 5: headaches isn't good for your stomach lining right, right.
Speaker 1: You have something like I say, you have some that
Speaker 1: isn't good by stomach, something that isn't good deliver you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's a bike, you know. So yeah, like I said,
Speaker 1: it's just a it's a miss.
Speaker 5: It really is where in the in your journey, your
Speaker 5: truth journey, where did flat Earth fall into all that?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: But I say around about what was that?
Speaker 5: What was it like.
Speaker 6: Even like with the whole like you know build you
Speaker 6: know he oh yeah yeah yeah yeah like that right,
Speaker 6: there like that really, Like I'm like, what is he
Speaker 6: talking about?
Speaker 1: Like black Earth? I was like looking to this and
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I like it makes sense, you know,
Speaker 1: like it really does, Like it really makes sense. You know,
Speaker 1: like I knew. I knew that it wasn't a globe,
Speaker 1: you know from that that I knew because that right there,
Speaker 1: it didn't make sense at all, even like back in
Speaker 1: grade school, you know, you know, sitting in class and
Speaker 1: you know we're talking about science. Oh yeah, the sun
Speaker 1: is like ninety million hours away and looking at the
Speaker 1: window and I'm like, well, I see it right there.
Speaker 1: They didn't look you know, either either I got good
Speaker 1: vision or you know, you know, but like I said,
Speaker 1: the whole yet, the whole globe thing. It never it
Speaker 1: never sad for me, I mean, but you know, I
Speaker 1: just never even knew what it looked like. And then
Speaker 1: like I said, the whole you know, he's you know,
Speaker 1: he was talking about it, and then you know, I
Speaker 1: ran across, uh another guy, uh Richie from Boston. Uh.
Speaker 1: He's a big he he was big on YouTube. He's
Speaker 1: big mumble now and he was talking about it. You know,
Speaker 1: he starts and he started talking about the battle verses
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and I was like in a problem.
Speaker 1: I'm like, huh, let me let me check let me
Speaker 1: check this out. So the marble started looking like like okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: the person you know, I start reading Book of Genesis,
Speaker 1: you know, like everybody always you know, everybody to read
Speaker 1: you know, Genesis start there and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like yeah it is. And then then and of course
Speaker 1: the I think that my go to verse is Isaiah
Speaker 1: forty twenty two, and it is he that's above the
Speaker 1: circle of earth, That's right, and like the inhabitants are
Speaker 1: like grasshoppers yep. And I was like, okay, so I
Speaker 1: know a circle in the sphere. There are like two
Speaker 1: different objects, you know, the ones like more three dimensional,
Speaker 1: and you have a circle and being it talks about
Speaker 1: the front of him and sense might there. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I'm like, it is like man. And once I
Speaker 1: realized what it was, I was like, okay, so what
Speaker 1: else are they hide?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: So, like I say, it opened up a lot, a lot,
Speaker 1: a lot of doors a lot, it does.
Speaker 5: And I think when you understand that they can lie
Speaker 5: about that, then everything, uh is fair game. And I
Speaker 5: think that's how it should be from the get go,
Speaker 5: when growing back to the Bible, and when we're told
Speaker 5: that you know Satan, you know he's running things down here,
Speaker 5: then you better question everything. I wanted to ask you,
Speaker 5: and I'm not sure I'll go ahead.
Speaker 1: Yeah I always say that, Yeah, the world is given
Speaker 1: to the hands of the wicket.
Speaker 5: Yeah, one hundred percent. And we have to really be
Speaker 5: you know, challenge everything, no matter how ridiculous it may seem.
Speaker 5: And for me, for a long time, I wouldn't even
Speaker 5: question flatter those two words came out of somebody's mouth
Speaker 5: that you know, I'm gonna put this guy, block this guy,
Speaker 5: you know what is he stoken? But it was interesting
Speaker 5: because Bob came up on a radar again a while ago,
Speaker 5: because I guess Peak twenty sixteen was when it really
Speaker 5: started to uh, you know, catch catch ground, and that's
Speaker 5: when they changed the algorithm. You know, the Wild West
Speaker 5: on YouTube kind of ended and they started controlling the algorithms.
Speaker 5: He I always wondered with this because he had I remember,
Speaker 5: he became a member of the Flatter Society, which was
Speaker 5: you know, I think a lot of us believe is
Speaker 5: kind of controlled opposition. I guess you would call it,
Speaker 5: and I haven't heard much more from him since then.
Speaker 5: Are are you tracking that?
Speaker 1: I mean he's still he's still I guess you can
Speaker 1: see say like on the on the ground. Uh, he's
Speaker 1: really not mainstream like the rest of them, and he's
Speaker 1: still having it's his same beliefs. So good, I don't think, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he hasn't straight away from it, but he really just
Speaker 1: he really you don't talk about it a lot now
Speaker 1: like he used to, but he's still like in that
Speaker 1: same that same area, you know, you know, how how
Speaker 1: just everything is, you know.
Speaker 5: So yeah, that's good because a lot of people in
Speaker 5: that position usually choose money over their convictions, like that
Speaker 5: what's their name, the Chip and Chip and Joanna Gain,
Speaker 5: those Magnolia people in Texas. Uh, they just what would
Speaker 5: you say, flex their moral compass for dollars on their
Speaker 5: new TV show. And the Christian community is kind of
Speaker 5: like really just another people who you know, made their
Speaker 5: money on the back of Christians and then their new
Speaker 5: TV show, Uh not so much. So it's refreshing to
Speaker 5: see people who are willing to kind of turn away
Speaker 5: from and that's really what it is, you know, yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, whether it's Tom Hanks or or Jim Carrey.
Speaker 5: These people will continue to play the divide and conquer
Speaker 5: and and not come out and talk about the truth.
Speaker 5: Instead take that money to be part of the club.
Speaker 1: You know, right, Yeah, kind of like with almost like
Speaker 1: like when Kyrie he came out when you know, he
Speaker 1: was talking about it, and you know he was talking
Speaker 1: about you know, flatter and you haven't uh you know
Speaker 1: another it was another basketball player you know, was talking
Speaker 1: about you know, like the question the moon landing and
Speaker 1: you know, stuff like that, and you know they kind
Speaker 1: of kind of like, you know, I kind of feel
Speaker 1: like you know, I mean, anybody that knows me, they
Speaker 1: know that I will. I will talk about this stuff anytime.
Speaker 1: I don't care where, not, Like I like talking about
Speaker 1: it because I think it's important, like said to know,
Speaker 1: you know, you know that's you know, where we live at.
Speaker 1: You know, you know that it's not what they say
Speaker 1: it is. You know, we don't we can't live on
Speaker 1: the ball. I'm sorry you can't.
Speaker 5: Yeah. And for me, you get to a certain age
Speaker 5: you just don't worry about what people think of you anymore.
Speaker 5: I'd rather speak the truth and you know, steadfast in
Speaker 5: my own convictions then to see you know, it's even harder.
Speaker 5: You know, It's one thing for Kyrie. I hate when
Speaker 5: they apologize. Yeah, like you know you got what that
Speaker 5: much that you apologize or something that you believed in
Speaker 5: and knowing fool you know, he's he if you came
Speaker 5: out on flat earth what, I don't know anybody with
Speaker 5: the exception of those clowns who did the flatter Earth
Speaker 5: what was it called the Final Experiment, which has already
Speaker 5: been debunked. Yeah, you know, outside of doing it for
Speaker 5: financial reasons. Once you see these things, you can't hunt
Speaker 5: see that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like and like flatter one thing. I know
Speaker 1: it some people it disturbs him a lot, like when
Speaker 1: you mentioned it, Tom and then later on, Uh, you
Speaker 1: can be talking to him and they would get upset
Speaker 1: and they would throw that back up, like you know
Speaker 1: under Earth and plant all like, why are you bringing
Speaker 1: out like this has nothing to do with this conversation.
Speaker 1: You're those long a though like it it literally disturbs people,
Speaker 1: he said. And I'll be uh. Also, I like, I
Speaker 1: have a T shirt on my one now, but it
Speaker 1: uh it say, isn't more like the Earth is flat?
Speaker 1: You know you're gonna like to fight Earth with the
Speaker 1: firm and and everything. Something I word it out. Sometimes
Speaker 1: it's something people they just look at me like it's
Speaker 1: not like this give you like bad looks, so like
Speaker 1: like you know, and I you know, I get good,
Speaker 1: you know, I get thumbs up with it. You know,
Speaker 1: some people like you know, yeah, yeah, I mean they're like, uh,
Speaker 1: I remember I want to pay this a bill one
Speaker 1: time and I walked into the offices guy liking his
Speaker 1: cubicle huge, like yeah, see, like I like his shirt.
Speaker 1: I like that later frame like you.
Speaker 5: That's what I tell people. You would be surprised that
Speaker 5: there's more people than you think who think like you do.
Speaker 5: They just don't right that that they don't want to
Speaker 5: be wedged into a corner. They don't want to be
Speaker 5: called a flat earth or the ramifications that could possibly
Speaker 5: come uh with that, you know, which which is a sad.
Speaker 5: I'd rather be, you know, seeking the truth, no matter
Speaker 5: how much it might shake your foundations.
Speaker 1: Yeah yes, oh yeah, And like I said, it's and
Speaker 1: you know when like even when talk about it, they'd
Speaker 1: be like, well I prove it. I'll be like, well,
Speaker 1: well how do you prove it? I'm like, well, I mean,
Speaker 1: let's take water. I mean water is level, right yeap
Speaker 1: or like undisturbed. I mean it's level. If you go
Speaker 1: to a pond, a lake, you know, it's it's level
Speaker 1: on top and water it's I like at that level.
Speaker 1: I like if it's a spear, like they say this,
Speaker 1: like at what point does it we see We don't
Speaker 1: see this conform into a ball? You know, water conform
Speaker 1: into a BALLI thing. And you know, so I use
Speaker 1: that far as like you know, water's level two to
Speaker 1: you know, trying to get people to see how it's
Speaker 1: it's it's flat because I say that because like when
Speaker 1: I say that, oh, like well if you take that,
Speaker 1: if you take all the the ocean, they're all connected, right,
Speaker 1: you know they're they're in different areas, but they're all connected.
Speaker 1: Like it's it's level in the top.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: Of course you have waves you know from you know,
Speaker 1: the way, et cetera. But it has to be contained.
Speaker 1: Like if not, we wouldn't have Sea short, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, we wouldn't we wouldn't be able to go
Speaker 1: to the you know, Sea short, you know. And so
Speaker 1: if not, if there was no containment of that of
Speaker 1: that the.
Speaker 5: You know, It's interesting, you know, talking about these things.
Speaker 5: If you ask in metric tons, how much does just
Speaker 5: the Pacific Ocean way? The Pacific Ocean ways about six
Speaker 5: hundred and seventy six quatrillion metric tons. And then you
Speaker 5: ask it, well, what holds the water to the Earth. Oh,
Speaker 5: gravity holds the watery, Yes, six seven hundred and seventy
Speaker 5: six quatrillion metric tons. I said, well, then how does
Speaker 5: a butterfly fly?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 5: Well, butterflies can their wings can generate enough lift to
Speaker 5: overcome its body weight. Okay, but it's holding an amount
Speaker 5: of weight that you can't comprehend. I mean, you're talking
Speaker 5: like a magnet that would And it's just the scientism
Speaker 5: that people hold on to, whether or not it's deep
Speaker 5: down they're Star Wars fans or Star Trek fans, or
Speaker 5: they're anti God. You know, you know the real reason
Speaker 5: they don't want to peel back the end knowing after COVID. Look,
Speaker 5: ninety percent of the people in this country know that
Speaker 5: our government lies, and the other ten percent if they
Speaker 5: don't know, after what happened with Epstein this week, then
Speaker 5: there's no help in you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that remember, there there's no lists. I mean
Speaker 1: that's what they say. They're you know, with the whole
Speaker 1: Epstein thing, They're like, there's no list, like okay, uh.
Speaker 1: I watched this one clip with Croker cous and he
Speaker 1: said he was talking about how I mean, like I
Speaker 1: don't follow a particular person, but I saw it and
Speaker 1: I was he was saying about how if there's no list,
Speaker 1: then his girlfriend it's been a basically a political prisoner.
Speaker 1: Now he's serving twenty years because there is no crime.
Speaker 1: You know, there's so they everybody wanted to see the lists,
Speaker 1: and they you know, they gave them some names. And
Speaker 1: even though those names that they did, you know, that
Speaker 1: was this stuff that was already out, but they didn't
Speaker 1: give them real names that people want to see, you know,
Speaker 1: so we we know what happened. We just I think
Speaker 1: this everybody just want to see the actual proof that
Speaker 1: you know, or what actual happened.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think I'm to be frank with you, I
Speaker 5: think a lot of people are at the point now
Speaker 5: that they want more than that. I think at this point,
Speaker 5: after COVID, after everything else, after the vaccines, after Epstein,
Speaker 5: I think people want accountability.
Speaker 1: They are right right but here here, but people got
Speaker 1: to realize when it comes to people. I guess, like
Speaker 1: I guess it works like the governor, there's no there's
Speaker 1: no lock in. There's no lock in Hillary reality, there's
Speaker 1: I mean she getting locked up. How they always say, oh,
Speaker 1: Hillary's gonna get locked though, though, like no, he's not.
Speaker 1: I like this, this country is a people gotta realized
Speaker 1: this country it's a corporation. Ah and I I have
Speaker 1: you ever heard of the uh what is the act
Speaker 1: of It? Was eighteen seventy one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the organic Act of eighteen seventy one, right right.
Speaker 1: When and I was I was talking to a guy
Speaker 1: about that. I was like, once they once that that
Speaker 1: happened right there, it kind of took it kind of
Speaker 1: made the country into a corporation. Yeah, and under a corporation,
Speaker 1: typically nobody is responsible for the doings of their corporation personally.
Speaker 1: You know that that that's in a way I kind
Speaker 1: of explained it to him. Is that kind of you
Speaker 1: get you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: One And I've heard different explanations. I heard breakdowns that
Speaker 5: every person's birth certificate is worth x amount of money
Speaker 5: on a traded market. You know that's why the reason
Speaker 5: you know at stakes became capitalized, just the legality and
Speaker 5: that really when you go back and look through history,
Speaker 5: that eighteen seventy one timeline is when a lot of
Speaker 5: things changed. I mean, we went from trained with steam
Speaker 5: engines and horse and buggies during the Civil War to
Speaker 5: the eighteen eighties we were driving cars and the very
Speaker 5: very early you know started once that those engines started
Speaker 5: taking off, that's when they got into planes. By the way,
Speaker 5: that's another rabbit hole. There's people who believe that the
Speaker 5: Right brothers stole that and from I forget the guy's name.
Speaker 5: But every invention that I'm telling you, almost every invention
Speaker 5: there is an interesting and I'm talking about the big ones,
Speaker 5: not the paper clip and things like that. I'm talking
Speaker 5: about the big inventions. You'll find that a lot of
Speaker 5: important people to what history worked at the USPTO, at
Speaker 5: the Patent Office, like Ben Ben Franklin, I need some
Speaker 5: important people have So it's like, that's it interesting?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because then they didn't they say Edison, I guess
Speaker 1: Thomas Edison stole what was it Tesla's.
Speaker 5: Was it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, so so yeah, they Yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of I guess going home area.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think I was thinking of Einstein.
Speaker 5: So Thomas Jefferson certainly did. Edmund Randolph he did, And
Speaker 5: there's a deep, deep, deep rabbit hole there. And of
Speaker 5: course they say it's important to note that while Albert
Speaker 5: Einstein is a famous patent examiner, he worked for the
Speaker 5: Swiss Federal Office for Alleged for Intellectual Property, not the
Speaker 5: US P t O. Sure, so anytime they have to
Speaker 5: make an excuse for someone, there's something to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nice, mm hmm. Hey, oh yeah, here's here's something
Speaker 1: I wanted wanted to bring up to you. Like there
Speaker 1: there's this book that uh that I'll be glacid every
Speaker 1: now and then when I have a chance. It's it's
Speaker 1: called the it's called the Beach State Excyclopedia, and it's
Speaker 1: by a lady on YouTube. She go about like really.
Speaker 5: Graceful, graceful, really graceful.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, really graceful. Yeah. And it it has like
Speaker 1: all types of it's it hit like she hit on like,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of points on different things from
Speaker 1: like nine to eleven. An article Asta Crawley, Uh build
Speaker 1: a bird group, you know, the Book of Enoch uh
Speaker 1: from the Clinton family talks about Operation paper Clip. Uh
Speaker 1: lock Styff Mockingbird North Woods. Like I say, it's like
Speaker 1: her book, it has a lot of uh good uh.
Speaker 1: I think good information in it from for a person
Speaker 1: that wants to you know, kind of just like not
Speaker 1: deep into the rabbit hole because like see it. She
Speaker 1: gives like a lot of bars, you know, as far
Speaker 1: as reference, Uh, what information comes from. Like I said,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a it's a real interesting book. I
Speaker 1: enjoy reading it. It's a good uh. I guess you
Speaker 1: said good coffee table book. Okay, I don't have a
Speaker 1: coffee table.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I just put it in my cart. It's
Speaker 5: eight hundred and sixteen reviews four point eight and uh
Speaker 5: covers a lot of the things that we talk about
Speaker 5: on right, yeah, this podcast and the others, and it gets,
Speaker 5: you know, the things that you really need to look at,
Speaker 5: the banking industry, Rocketfeller medicine, Jacko Island, and hijacking the
Speaker 5: Federal Reserve, which is neither fecial or a reserve. It's
Speaker 5: just a printing machine that enriches the richer. I'm really
Speaker 5: interested to see how she kept her YouTube channel. Oh okay,
Speaker 5: she's got a backup channel. Never mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know she had, like Exit Carrol, I
Speaker 1: don't rumble one.
Speaker 5: She's got some really impressive numbers on her views. I'll
Speaker 5: definitely check her out and i'll see if I can't
Speaker 5: get her on in the near future.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can say it's a it's a real interesting book,
Speaker 1: like I like it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And for the listeners, I'll put I'll put the
Speaker 5: link in the show notes if you all would like
Speaker 5: to check it out. I'm certainly gonna buy it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I keep with me all the time when I'm
Speaker 1: on the go, you know, just in cases I get
Speaker 1: bored and read a book and stop looking at my phone.
Speaker 5: Let me ask you this. Does she delve into uh? Now,
Speaker 5: I know I can see in the shypnopsis that she
Speaker 5: talks about the occult? Does she talk about the other side?
Speaker 5: Like is she uh talk about Jesus? Or she just
Speaker 5: talk about the dark side?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has like talks about the like the Book
Speaker 1: of Enoch, which I think that book itself is a
Speaker 1: good book that people should read. I know some some
Speaker 1: say that they some say it's not I guess scripture
Speaker 1: or you know, but if you really look at it,
Speaker 1: like it it references a lot from scripture, I mean
Speaker 1: from Jude or you know, acts, Revelation, Genesis, everything.
Speaker 5: So that so.
Speaker 1: By her hitting on that right there, I think that
Speaker 1: you know, I think she's you know, on both sides.
Speaker 5: Does she flatten? Does she get into flat Earth at all?
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Flotter really talks about an art okay,
Speaker 1: flight for not she she.
Speaker 5: Probably needs to break people in slowly.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, because you know it talks about all the guys,
Speaker 7: you know, like L Warren Harbard, you know, like those guys,
Speaker 7: the the uh how of course you don't operation paper
Speaker 7: clip yep, uh, you know how NASA got started.
Speaker 1: In their days so amazing. Maybe she's probably gon't report
Speaker 1: that way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's important that people understand that these people are
Speaker 5: more than just evil. A lot of the things they
Speaker 5: do are adult, like she says, they're dark occult practices,
Speaker 5: which means there's a reason why they do them at
Speaker 5: certain times of the day. There's a reason that that
Speaker 5: flight ninety three was named flight ninety three. There's a
Speaker 5: reason for the movie posters, uh that that plane representing
Speaker 5: an upside down cross to mock Jesus. The numbers ninety three,
Speaker 5: which is how far they lie. You know, that's how
Speaker 5: far the sun is ninety three, and then you know Adam,
Speaker 5: God's original son lived to be nine hundred and thirty.
Speaker 5: There's your ninety three, you know, Hallister Crawley's as above
Speaker 5: so below is ninety three, ninety three. And it's all
Speaker 5: very dark even spelling and cursive and all of these
Speaker 5: other things that there is really ritualistic things to everything
Speaker 5: in our LBA walk of life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't like were you were? You miss it
Speaker 1: missed mentioning Jesus like when I, like when I was
Speaker 1: like saying, when I was getting into flyer from like
Speaker 1: Solf look into the Bible a lot, and I uh,
Speaker 1: like I also got into far as like different versions
Speaker 1: other than King James. I started to look into like
Speaker 1: one of the Hebrew bibbers and like like when it
Speaker 1: when it came to like a lot of the names,
Speaker 1: like I didn't realize how many how much they changed
Speaker 1: the names out of there, uh even uh you know
Speaker 1: Jesus himself, like in a Hebrew bibley his name is
Speaker 1: yeah sure and if I'm not mistaken that that means
Speaker 1: his name means uh uh y'all save us. As in
Speaker 1: the Father like when you when you say, when you
Speaker 1: know what we pray to yr, sure we're asking the
Speaker 1: Father himself y'all to save us. And and I thought
Speaker 1: that was like when I when I learned that, I
Speaker 1: thought that was real, like it it like it hit
Speaker 1: me hard because like it, I think it has a
Speaker 1: lot of meaning to forst like that name itself. And
Speaker 1: you know, of course you know how they took names
Speaker 1: out and add stuff you know, through you know translation
Speaker 1: and all that right there. And like I said, I
Speaker 1: thought that was real uh important important for me anyway,
Speaker 1: I don't know about as far as like everybody else,
Speaker 1: like I try to, I don't. I don't knock people
Speaker 1: for saying, you know, Jesus or you know what what not.
Speaker 1: You know, I always try to, like you know, when
Speaker 1: whenever I'm talking to people about it, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: get to talk about it and then like right on,
Speaker 1: like hey, did you know you know like far as,
Speaker 1: like when it comes to the name, they changed the
Speaker 1: name because like they what you mean, like well if
Speaker 1: you look at Jesus like it and you can't spell
Speaker 1: it in Hebrew Greek like so I like, so that
Speaker 1: is a like and in since they never called him
Speaker 1: that back then they called him whatever it is, called
Speaker 1: him called sure.
Speaker 5: Right, they called God and Jesus sure yeah, yeah yeah, like.
Speaker 1: I said, Like I said, I thought that was like
Speaker 1: when I, like I said, when I got into the fight,
Speaker 1: everybody said, started looking at different versions of theople and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And that's that's why I discovered that.
Speaker 1: And even even with that, I also discovered that how
Speaker 1: how far as me, how my lineage come from, like
Speaker 1: the where I come from the Hebrew people?
Speaker 4: And and.
Speaker 1: And I guess that was and people, you know what
Speaker 1: you like, what do you mean? I like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: the descendant of the Hebrew people. I like when uh
Speaker 1: they brought our ancestor with here, like we didn't, we
Speaker 1: pretty much got they pretty much got stripped of their
Speaker 1: whole like you know, uh uh of everything, pretty much
Speaker 1: of everything. And and it's and I understand understood why
Speaker 1: everything happened, Like I don't. I don't fault nobody for it, ah,
Speaker 1: but I just I just like telling people, you know
Speaker 1: far as like I know who I am now, you know,
Speaker 1: as far as a person you know self, because because
Speaker 1: growing up, you know me personally, growing up, it was
Speaker 1: it was kind of hard growing up not knowing who
Speaker 1: you really actually are. You were just told when you're
Speaker 1: an African American, and I'm like, that don't sound right,
Speaker 1: you know, it just never sound right to me, you know.
Speaker 1: And and but you know, as I got older out there,
Speaker 1: far as discovered of who I was actually from, you know,
Speaker 1: far as like my people, so you know, and all
Speaker 1: the same time, I don't think I'm better than anybody,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just I'm just I'm just a person
Speaker 1: just trying to you know, be friends and you know,
Speaker 1: with everybody, you know, no matter what you know. So
Speaker 1: so oh yeah, that's that's kind of like my little
Speaker 1: journey with that.
Speaker 5: Well, there's a lot of people who are are taking
Speaker 5: that journey I just mentioned in the last interview I
Speaker 5: did an hour ago, you know, talking about you know,
Speaker 5: people are are looking at, for example, the Assembly of
Speaker 5: Yahweh North Alabama. People are going back and to Messianic
Speaker 5: roots and uh saying, well, maybe we shouldn't throw the
Speaker 5: tour out.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, because I mean yeah, because I
Speaker 1: mean the Messiah himself he was, That's who he was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, i mean, that's that's who he was. He
Speaker 1: I mean, did he not say he was the law.
Speaker 1: So like I said, that that's who is. We can't.
Speaker 1: We can't. People gotta realize that when you when they
Speaker 1: you take that book, you can't take it halfway and
Speaker 1: then take book. You either got to take the whole
Speaker 1: thing or not.
Speaker 5: And that is is we as humans, right. I think
Speaker 5: people will will take the the verses that we'll go
Speaker 5: to support the things we believe in, and then we'll
Speaker 5: pick and choose the things. Well, you know, Jesus drank wine,
Speaker 5: so I can drink beer. I'm just using that as
Speaker 5: an example. Okay, I'm not judging anything, but that's you know,
Speaker 5: as humans, we're biased, so we like to pick and
Speaker 5: choose and support the thing, even to the things I've
Speaker 5: questioned recently going back on these things eating pork right, right,
Speaker 5: that is, do we just toss the the the Torah?
Speaker 5: Do we still keep the Sabbath?
Speaker 3: Or do we not?
Speaker 5: And that there are so many compelling arguments for both sides, honestly,
Speaker 5: I mean I've heard very compelling arguments for both right
Speaker 5: as far as the New Covenant and what Sunday versus
Speaker 5: Saturday and well Saturday, you know Sunday sun worship. What
Speaker 5: about Saturday Saturn worship. Right, it's just there really is
Speaker 5: something for the other but it is so you know,
Speaker 5: we are told many times to keep his right, to
Speaker 5: keep his help me out here, I'm having a brain
Speaker 5: fart to keep his yeah, yeah, yeah, right, and this
Speaker 5: is pretty gotten dry, right right, right, right, but I'm
Speaker 5: going to get fifty emails now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah, like I mean, since you like
Speaker 1: when you brought that out, like okay, when it when
Speaker 1: you like the whole thing. Okay, let's take this Sabbath instance,
Speaker 1: like the saber it's the last day, right, I said, right,
Speaker 1: when you look on your calendar, what's the last day week? Saturday, Saturdays,
Speaker 1: it's the last day. It's not the Saturday is the
Speaker 1: last day of the week. Sunday is the first day.
Speaker 1: You know, Sunday is the first day of the week.
Speaker 1: So I mean that. I mean that. I mean if
Speaker 1: people you know, would see that, you know, it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: so Saturday it's the Sabbath day, you know, so you
Speaker 1: know that's what you know we should keep, you know,
Speaker 1: keep the Sabbath. And you know it's it's hard for
Speaker 1: a lot of people too, because you know, some have worth,
Speaker 1: you know, you just say, you know, tell you boy,
Speaker 1: you know you can tell them, but they'll be like, well,
Speaker 1: well go you won't don't come back, you know. So
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's more we can do that,
Speaker 1: but we also can and those we are acknowledging that
Speaker 1: that today. And he know that we don't want to
Speaker 1: be we don't want to be at worth, We don't
Speaker 1: want to be doing stuff. We want to be somewhere,
Speaker 1: you know, rested and enjoying families us like that. You know,
Speaker 1: so you know, he knows, he knows our hearts, so
Speaker 1: you know, and and and and and like when you
Speaker 1: U like like okay, like the thing with let's say,
Speaker 1: with the poor thing like when I, like I said,
Speaker 1: when I started back into reading more, I that was
Speaker 1: that was the thing that we struggled with, Like you know,
Speaker 1: here in my house we're trying to struggle with with
Speaker 1: that for a little bit, you know. And uh because
Speaker 1: you know, okay it says no griz but like right here, people,
Speaker 1: well if you're looking here and this book it says,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's not what goes into your mouth
Speaker 1: that you know the comes out. So but I think
Speaker 1: there was it wasn't talking about uh that there was
Speaker 1: a there was a It was pretty much could and
Speaker 1: drive what was food and what was not, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, so there was nowhere in there like I
Speaker 1: think people think that it was classified like pork was
Speaker 1: classified as food, even though it was not, because it
Speaker 1: was like I said in Leviticus, and even if when
Speaker 1: you when he uh, when when when the MESSII? When
Speaker 1: he went into that one village and he came upon
Speaker 1: lazy like all and like he like cast their ball
Speaker 1: into the herd of swines, and they went over to
Speaker 1: the cliff and stuff like that. You know, you know,
Speaker 1: so they they even they never ate it, you know
Speaker 1: far as you know, he never ate it. But I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't judge people that do, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't because you know, health, health reasons. You know,
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's good. It's a ward for health reasons.
Speaker 5: You know, bacon's healthy for you, right, Bacon's healthy for you, right,
Speaker 5: meat can.
Speaker 1: Meet big it's good.
Speaker 5: You know, it's interesting. I wanted to mention is one
Speaker 5: of the rabbit holes I've been going down recently is
Speaker 5: the King James rabbit hole. Right, And one thing that
Speaker 5: cannot we can argue about a lot of things, like
Speaker 5: I don't know King James hart right, and I'm not
Speaker 5: going to try to pretend I do. I do know
Speaker 5: what the Bible says about wealthy people and their chances
Speaker 5: of getting into heaven. That's just what the Bible says.
Speaker 5: Don't get mad at me. But one thing that cannot
Speaker 5: be contested is how he benefited financially via the revenues
Speaker 5: through the crown's control over these what they called ecclesiastical appointments,
Speaker 5: and then redistributing the church as well. Now people will
Speaker 5: be quick to say, well, he used that to fund
Speaker 5: the English translation, et cetera. But I mean the amount
Speaker 5: of money that he got from the church, from land
Speaker 5: and tithings. What was a tremendous amount of money that
Speaker 5: most people don't talk about. The other thing is he
Speaker 5: created the King James Bible Number one. I think it
Speaker 5: was to have his name on something that would last forever,
Speaker 5: because that's how wealthy people are. Look at Trump and
Speaker 5: his Bible and the Geneva Bible of fifteen sixty. Remember
Speaker 5: that was not looked upon fondly by the English because
Speaker 5: you know who read that Bible, the descenters of England,
Speaker 5: the people who didn't like the king. So I think
Speaker 5: he did that to usurp it and the Geneva Bible
Speaker 5: of fifteen sixty guess what books had had in it?
Speaker 5: Was that it had the apocryphor it had it had
Speaker 5: Enoch and these Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, that's right, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 5: And the reason I bring that up is in our
Speaker 5: class last week we were talking about presuppositions within the Bible,
Speaker 5: and the canon was rated the lowest because I think
Speaker 5: think that had we all agreed that had the most
Speaker 5: input from mankind of what books were canonized and what
Speaker 5: were not. And this, this kind of conversation kind of
Speaker 5: made its way into, you know, man's ability. Even though
Speaker 5: we know that God's word is right in the Bible, right,
Speaker 5: that's His Holy Word translated through God through Moses and
Speaker 5: and those you know, the letters of Paul et cetera.
Speaker 5: All right, but as far as you know saying what
Speaker 5: is this is what you should read and what should not.
Speaker 5: And there are churches that will tell you do not
Speaker 5: reading knock. If you if you were raised in a
Speaker 5: Baptist church, the chances are you were told not to
Speaker 5: read a knock right. I've been told that by people
Speaker 5: in the Methodist Church. They he ever even talked about it.
Speaker 5: I didn't know it existed till I was forty years old.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That and then and Jasher, the book of Jasher.
Speaker 1: Jasher has talked about in uh.
Speaker 5: Uh Joshua and and Samuel first or second Simon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I was reading that one time, like, okay,
Speaker 1: said the book of yash So I went back to
Speaker 1: the table contests. I like that, like I don't see
Speaker 1: no Jashuer, Like what is so I literally have to
Speaker 1: go out. I went on Amazon and I went and
Speaker 1: bought a book of Joshuar and then I started reading.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, so this is the book of Jeshure,
Speaker 1: Like this is what? Like why is it not in
Speaker 1: this book?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And like I said, they did that to a lot
Speaker 1: a lot of them, Like I said, Joshure, Enoch naccabees,
Speaker 1: Yeah what first and second divers yeah, fourth as a rest.
Speaker 1: Even even the Book of Psalms has chapters missing out
Speaker 1: of it. And like for a second, the King's ansor
Speaker 1: I think King James has one hundred and fifty in
Speaker 1: it and it's supposed to have one hundred and and
Speaker 1: the Book of Acts is missing the chapter uh in
Speaker 1: missing chapter twenty said twenty nine eighteen because in the
Speaker 1: what it's missing? What twenty nine? Chapter twenty nine? Because
Speaker 1: I think in again James has twenty eight.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've got a cheat sheet somewhere on my hard drive.
Speaker 5: But do everything I had to deal with today, it's
Speaker 5: it's scattered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it is. It has twenty eight and uh,
Speaker 1: let's see, yeah, it has twenty eight in King Jane,
Speaker 1: but it's supposed to have twenty nine. And because I
Speaker 1: was looking at this h Youwtube video of these guy
Speaker 1: he was talking about it, and he said, one way
Speaker 1: you can tell when when uh, well we assume that
Speaker 1: I guess at the end of a lot of uh
Speaker 1: versus well, I guess Paul, They said, I guess Paul
Speaker 1: will acts. I don't know that's what. But he always
Speaker 1: ended at the last chapter with the word amen, right
Speaker 1: or I mean, and when you look in the Book
Speaker 1: of Acts in chapter twenty eight, it doesn't end like that.
Speaker 1: It and in chapter twenty nine when I read it,
Speaker 1: it ended like the way, like the rest of them
Speaker 1: ended like Romans and all those it ended in those ways.
Speaker 1: And and I know in chapter twenty nine it talks
Speaker 1: about when he went to he actually saw when maybe
Speaker 1: I'm try the cultes like and I don't want to
Speaker 1: misquote anything, but I'm pretty sure he saw like the
Speaker 1: like the cruise of fiction, the Messiah. I know he
Speaker 1: wasn't he wasn't physically there, but he knew what was
Speaker 1: what was happening, and what was going to happen, and
Speaker 1: he traveled also to it was somewhere else he had travel.
Speaker 1: It's been a lot since I read that chapter, but
Speaker 1: when you read it, it kind of fill in a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff that, you know, kind of leaves you wondering.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, like I said, yeah, they met, They
Speaker 1: messed with a lot of a lot of those books
Speaker 1: and books chapters versus you know, names, places. They they
Speaker 1: did a number on it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's really interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting.
Speaker 5: I was just thumbing through my fifteen sixty version. It's
Speaker 5: interesting because I think the original books of Enoch were included,
Speaker 5: or I should say the Book of Enoch was included
Speaker 5: in the original editions of the Geneva Bible with the apocrypha,
Speaker 5: but not all of them do today. They didn't carry
Speaker 5: them over, which if you get a copy of them,
Speaker 5: it's it's really weird, but it's just so funny to
Speaker 5: see because it was published by these English Protestants who
Speaker 5: fled during Queen Mary. And then you know, King James says, oh,
Speaker 5: don't worry, I'll fix.
Speaker 1: It, you know, and you know, you know, like the
Speaker 1: like the King James. Do you think people think it's
Speaker 1: it's uh, you know, it's called King James. Do you
Speaker 1: think that some people probably that it's the you know
Speaker 1: how you have the books James and in there, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe you think some people believe that that's who who
Speaker 1: wrote the.
Speaker 5: Uh oh you mean King James or James. Yes, that's interesting.
Speaker 5: I've never even thought of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I always tell that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's interesting. You could And again, it doesn't have
Speaker 5: to be canon in order to read it. I think
Speaker 5: if it's part of history. You know, the first time
Speaker 5: I read it, it cleared up so much about canaan Abel,
Speaker 5: the creation story, understanding where we truly live, the realm
Speaker 5: that we live in. Like the first time I met
Speaker 5: Gary Wayne, the guy who wrote the Genesis sixth Conspiracy,
Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, how does this guy write an eight
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty page book on something with two verses
Speaker 5: in Genesis six. You know there were giants at that time.
Speaker 5: I'm like, how you write eight hundred and fifty pages, Oh,
Speaker 5: the Book of Meatock, the Book of what? And then
Speaker 5: you know, you're like, oh, and you learn the truth
Speaker 5: about angels and it really opens your eyes about the
Speaker 5: spiritual warfare that we live amongst, that we don't see
Speaker 5: because so wrapped up in the matrix that they've created.
Speaker 1: Definitely, Yeah, there is a spiritual.
Speaker 5: Battle happening around us right now, and we're wrapped up
Speaker 5: about you know, some nonsense, some fake nonsense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, every day is Yeah.
Speaker 5: I wanted to divert to do biblical cosmology, flat Earth.
Speaker 5: I wanted to give you a chance of your silver bullets.
Speaker 1: What's the bulls? Okay?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, if I'm I'm gonna talk to some one real
Speaker 1: quick about it. Like I said, of course, you know
Speaker 1: what is uh wars level? Uh, that's one I always
Speaker 1: talk about the firmament itself, how it's, how it's above us. Uh,
Speaker 1: as it's as it stated in the Book of Genesis.
Speaker 1: You know, like you can sometimes it's almost like you
Speaker 1: can actually see it, you know, sometimes like at night
Speaker 1: and when the stars out if you're looking at it.
Speaker 1: To me, it does that right there. Of course I
Speaker 1: always referred to Isaiah forty twenty two. And then of
Speaker 1: course you do like it about you know, in the
Speaker 1: Book of a Relation, you know how it talks about
Speaker 1: how the angel was sitting on the full corners of
Speaker 1: the earth. Yep, oh, I mean, how can you get
Speaker 1: corners on the ball.
Speaker 5: And then again you're gonna get people who say, oh,
Speaker 5: you can't take the Bible too literally. It was written
Speaker 5: such a long time ago for you know, people who
Speaker 5: didn't really grasp the reality where we lived. And I
Speaker 5: laughed when I hear that.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, yeah, I had a guy say that to
Speaker 1: me one time. I was like, okay, so we can't
Speaker 1: take that literally. He was like nope. I like, so
Speaker 1: can you take the apartment when the Messiah walt no water?
Speaker 1: Can you take that literally? He was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that happened. Like okay, so yeah, that happened. So that
Speaker 1: means that what this other person is saying, that means this.
Speaker 1: It's same thing, like you can't take more than not
Speaker 1: the other.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you have to be careful because you know,
Speaker 5: you get someone who's new to the truth community or
Speaker 5: new to the Bible, and they read after this, I
Speaker 5: saw four angels standing at the four corner four corners
Speaker 5: of the earth, holding back the four winds of the
Speaker 5: Earth to prevent any wind blowing. And there's legitimately four
Speaker 5: the Bible talks about the four winds that come from
Speaker 5: Antarctica on the flat Earth.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: And then if you google what is Revelation seven to one,
Speaker 5: it will tell you that it describes John's vision of
Speaker 5: four angels standing at the four corners of the back,
Speaker 5: and it says that this is a representation, and it
Speaker 5: tries to put it in the same category is when
Speaker 5: you google like Noah's Ark and how it was a
Speaker 5: myth about you know, this story this, and that's really
Speaker 5: how they try to to show it to these people
Speaker 5: who if they go to Google for the first time
Speaker 5: and research something, oh, it's just a story. That's how
Speaker 5: they try to resent it to them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean some I guess. I
Speaker 1: guess for some it's it's hard to for them the
Speaker 1: grasp Ah that that's has made, you know, and they
Speaker 1: they rather take But in a science book, I guess
Speaker 1: over the word of your creator.
Speaker 5: You know what's amazing, Ben, I just literally did that
Speaker 5: on Google and it says this vision is not meant
Speaker 5: to be taken literally as a flat earth with physical corners,
Speaker 5: but rather as a representation of God's and thort over
Speaker 5: the entire world and its cardinal directions north southeastern what
Speaker 5: they literally, AI has gone out of its way to say,
Speaker 5: don't take it literally as a flat earth with corners. Literally,
Speaker 5: I'm reading that from Google right now.
Speaker 1: There. You Google knows everything.
Speaker 5: Yeah, how daris try to say that God is wrong
Speaker 5: about something? We got to be really careful when we say, oh,
Speaker 5: that's just a representation, you're really you're stepping into murky
Speaker 5: waters when you do that, right, Yeah, because.
Speaker 1: It's supposed to like irrinting's supposed to be, it's either
Speaker 1: like a variable or literal exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yep, man, this has been a really really great conversation.
Speaker 5: Was there any topics out there that you wanted to
Speaker 5: cover that we haven't touched on yet?
Speaker 1: I mean no, man, Like I said, I could, I
Speaker 1: mean I could go all night with this, but uh,
Speaker 1: I mean no, I think we we hit a lot
Speaker 1: of good points. Uh, I know it. I was kind
Speaker 1: of here and there you know from time to time.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's how it works.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's just something you guys have in a conversation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm here and there far as with stuff,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I mean it's just that, I
Speaker 1: mean one thing, one thing leads into another. So I
Speaker 1: mean we sit up there and talk about one thing
Speaker 1: starting one thing, and it will literally lead into a
Speaker 1: whole new conversation, you know. So, like I say, it's
Speaker 1: it's a big yarner.
Speaker 5: You're worn of a big, big bull of yarn, right, Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 5: And that's the question I guess I wanted to ask
Speaker 5: you was have you had any luck uh you know,
Speaker 5: you know, waking people up to this with with with
Speaker 5: with what well, I guess as far as flat earth,
Speaker 5: like you know, sharing this and getting people to look
Speaker 5: into it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I have. I have a lot of people that, uh,
Speaker 1: that I talked to about. They listen and they like
Speaker 1: and you know what makes makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: I feel like I can't bad as I want to,
Speaker 1: but I can't the knowledge he's saying, yeah, uh, and
Speaker 1: I have. It's a a friend of mine is now
Speaker 1: name see it. He listened to your show a lot.
Speaker 1: Uh and uh, you know, we was. I was talking
Speaker 1: to him one time and at first he was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know man. Then he he would be I
Speaker 1: just kept home talking to him. So he like, you
Speaker 1: know what You're like, you're you're right, it is. They're like, man,
Speaker 1: you're right.
Speaker 5: You want to give give a shout out his first name?
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I want to give a shout to my
Speaker 1: to my guys see it. Uh you know he he'll
Speaker 1: be here, he'll be listening to so here here hear me.
Speaker 1: He like, so yeah, so there you go. Uh he's
Speaker 1: probably on the way home from work. But right, but yeah,
Speaker 1: shout out to my boy, said, I mean. Other than that,
Speaker 1: I mean thanks, I mean a lot of my like
Speaker 1: I said, a lot of my family, Like, I got
Speaker 1: family members that listen to me, you know song, the
Speaker 1: hair roll their eyes, but they'll listen, you know. And
Speaker 1: you know, I guess some of my kids they listen.
Speaker 1: They listen to George, Like I got three of them.
Speaker 1: They're like little, they're like, uh uh what eight, five
Speaker 1: and four, So like they're little. So they look at
Speaker 1: me like okay, dad, and they just want to play,
Speaker 1: you know. So I don't try to drill them too
Speaker 1: hard about it.
Speaker 5: Now, we'll just planting that seed that is half the
Speaker 5: bat Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, yeah, definitely is. But other than that, I mean,
Speaker 1: like I said, it's been a it's been a pleasure
Speaker 1: talking to you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, likewise, and again, thank you so much for being
Speaker 5: flexible and willing to reschedule for this evening. And uh yeah,
Speaker 5: great guests. Lots of knowledge. And there again, there's many
Speaker 5: rabbit holes, and they all lead back to, you know,
Speaker 5: the spiritual war between Satan and a third of the
Speaker 5: fallen angels thinking that they can overthrow God. And we
Speaker 5: know how the story ends, and hopefully we can continue
Speaker 5: to wake up our fellow man and have them look
Speaker 5: past this divide and conquered nonsense that's throwing at him
Speaker 5: Dane And now right all.
Speaker 1: Right, oh yeah, yeah, definitely yeah, and maybe maybe I
Speaker 1: get a chance to come back on again, as you know,
Speaker 1: second time, and this time I have I had better,
Speaker 1: you know, better stuff, and you know, so yeah, like
Speaker 1: I said, I'm always looking, you know, down into the
Speaker 1: rabbit hole.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and thanks for that book recommendation. I'm gonna purchase
Speaker 5: that when I get off the air. Here and that
Speaker 5: link is is in the show notes Deep State Encyclopedia
Speaker 5: exposing the cabal's playbook, and I'll reach out to Grace
Speaker 5: and see if we can have on in the future
Speaker 5: as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there you go.
Speaker 5: Hey, thank you again for your time, Ben, God bless
Speaker 5: you and your family think me too. Thanks, I'd really
Speaker 5: appreciate it. And to all the listeners, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah you did for your liters. Hey, we're we're we're
Speaker 1: we're all in this together, and you know, we're we're this,
Speaker 1: you know, telling our story and you know, like I said,
Speaker 1: cleaning that seed in somebody's you know, head, and hopefully
Speaker 1: they'll wake there.
Speaker 5: Up to here you go. Just get them curious enough
Speaker 5: and eventually, uh, it's really up them to look for it.
Speaker 5: So there you go. God bless you, God bless all
Speaker 5: the listeners. And again, emails if you'd like to share
Speaker 5: your story like men did tonight, it is f. E.
Speaker 5: Files guest at gmail dot com. One more time, that's f.
Speaker 5: E Files guest at gmail dot com for Ben. I'm George.
Speaker 5: God bless you all. Have a wonderful week. And until
Speaker 5: we meet again, my friends, we will see it.
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