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<v Speaker 1>Meaning a live man like this man letting butterfly flapping

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<v Speaker 1>his wing. They've down in a forest.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, it gonna cause the tree fall, letting five thousand

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<v Speaker 2>miles away.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, nobody see it. Nobody else you might see that.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't need to know, man, You don't they like

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<v Speaker 1>you fall another point and you got back to fro

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<v Speaker 1>like that.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the point.

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<v Speaker 1>Man got blackly Da on the pan.

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<v Speaker 3>Man. Now you don't matter, man. I think that Japan

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<v Speaker 3>holds a special place, certainly culturally in the US, but

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<v Speaker 3>particularly on the American right. We're we're fascinated by it,

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<v Speaker 3>at least so far. It's a country that has missed

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<v Speaker 3>many of the worst elements of globalism. It's still largely homogeneous,

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<v Speaker 3>very safe, and culturally unified. Obviously, you are also have

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<v Speaker 3>the explosion of Japanese culture on the internet, with martial arts, anime, manga,

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<v Speaker 3>car culture, things that many of us will be familiar with. Anime,

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<v Speaker 3>for example, has gone fully mainstrain in the US. Instead

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<v Speaker 3>of being the weird kids with their own table in

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<v Speaker 3>the lunch room, now many many people under the age

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<v Speaker 3>of about thirty five watch anime. It's completely and totally normalized.

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<v Speaker 3>And when I say that this is interesting to the

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<v Speaker 3>American right wing because of their ethnic homogeneity and relative stability.

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<v Speaker 3>It also has a sort of inverse obsession on the

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<v Speaker 3>left where they sort of have to delude themselves about

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<v Speaker 3>this little ethno state halfway across the world. Look at

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<v Speaker 3>how beautiful it is in a country where our attitudes

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<v Speaker 3>towards women, minorities and sexual minorities are shall we say,

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<v Speaker 3>not exactly replicated. But unfortunately globalism has come to Japan.

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<v Speaker 3>They are nowhere near as far along as we are,

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<v Speaker 3>but we've seen immigration, specifically from Kurdistan, although also from

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<v Speaker 3>countries like Nigeria and India start to hit the Japanese populace.

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<v Speaker 3>This has produced a backlash in politics and in the populace,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's still very, very small. It hasn't necessarily become

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<v Speaker 3>ubiquitous yet. And so I think a lot of us

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<v Speaker 3>are watching Japan eagerly. What will they decide to do?

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<v Speaker 3>Will they follow the rest of the developed world quote unquote,

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<v Speaker 3>or will they sidestep this bizarre, self destructive obsession. That's

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<v Speaker 3>exactly why I reached out to my guest Lone Star.

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<v Speaker 3>He's an expat. You may have heard him elsewhere. A

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<v Speaker 3>guy living in Japan for fifteen years, and so he

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<v Speaker 3>understands exactly what's going on. He spent a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>time in the country. He's a sober thinker. This isn't

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<v Speaker 3>a sensational podcast telling you it's all over. He provides

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<v Speaker 3>the context you need to understand what you may or

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<v Speaker 3>may not be seeing. I think a lot of us

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<v Speaker 3>have been especially enchanted with our Japanese brothers because of

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<v Speaker 3>a sort of a quirk of the social media algorithm.

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<v Speaker 3>Several weeks back, where the streams got crossed. We had

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<v Speaker 3>easy access to AI translation and the American chuds and

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<v Speaker 3>the everyday Japanese, well they got crossed up. We started

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<v Speaker 3>running a little cultural exchange. It was a ton of

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<v Speaker 3>fun pulpo. A mutual of mine started a trend, a

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<v Speaker 3>craze in Japan, you know, doing something that your grandpa did, right,

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<v Speaker 3>salted peanuts and coke swept the nation. And most of

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<v Speaker 3>it was exactly that, you know, this kind of harmless

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<v Speaker 3>cultural exchange. And I think, like a lot of us,

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<v Speaker 3>I realized, well, we're not so different, you and I.

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<v Speaker 3>In the more serious conversations, you heard the same issues

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<v Speaker 3>with immigration, the same issues with feminism, and on each

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<v Speaker 3>side of the Pacific Ocean, guys were realizing, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 3>what the media told us, You know that you were

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<v Speaker 3>all lib tarts. That isn't true. There's a very analogous

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<v Speaker 3>culture to ours over there, and sure they're very, very different,

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<v Speaker 3>that's what makes them charming and interesting. But I think

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of us realized we're in kind of a

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<v Speaker 3>similar boat. Also, given the fact that the World's Cup

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<v Speaker 3>is going on, I'm sure you have seen the videos

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<v Speaker 3>of Japanese fans in the US both behaving very well, right,

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<v Speaker 3>cleaning up after themselves in the stadium, leaving it spotless,

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<v Speaker 3>and also at bars and Texas right, Japanese guys getting

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely blasted with good old fashioned you know, American cowboys

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<v Speaker 3>having the time of their life. So there's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of cultural admiration going both directions, and so for that reason,

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<v Speaker 3>as well as the kind of unique test case that

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<v Speaker 3>is Japan, I think all of us are watching what

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<v Speaker 3>happens with bated breath. And the off chance that you

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<v Speaker 3>are Japanese listening to this, godspeed, do not make the

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<v Speaker 3>mistakes that we have had. But for the Americans, I

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<v Speaker 3>think this will be useful to give you the real context,

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<v Speaker 3>not the sensationalist garbage pushed on social media, very oftentimes

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<v Speaker 3>by people who are not Japanese or even American, write

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<v Speaker 3>these sort of slop accounts designed to profit off of

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<v Speaker 3>doom and gloom. So, without further ado, I will start

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<v Speaker 3>So anyway, here's lone Star. All right, lone Star, how

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<v Speaker 3>you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>Man doing all right? Thanks for having me on.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you and I got connected on X not too

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<v Speaker 3>long ago, and you have a pretty interesting area of expertise,

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<v Speaker 3>I think, something that a lot of people are going

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<v Speaker 3>to be interested in. But before we get into that,

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<v Speaker 3>if you don't mind as much as you're comfortable, well

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<v Speaker 3>who are you? And well what do you do?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>So, kind of long story short. I'm a long term

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<v Speaker 2>expat living in Japan. I'm currently living in Tokyo. Been

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<v Speaker 2>in Japan about going on eighteen years now. So it's,

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<v Speaker 2>as I say, you know, time flies. It's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>an old adage, but it really does, you know. When I,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I first came here, it was a completely

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<v Speaker 2>new environment. I was fresh off the plane, had never

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<v Speaker 2>even visited Japan before. I was just curious about traveling

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<v Speaker 2>the world after graduating college. And it was right at

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<v Speaker 2>the time of the financial crisis, so it was a

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<v Speaker 2>bit lost on what to do. So I figured I'd

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<v Speaker 2>take a year and just travel a bit and kind

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<v Speaker 2>of find out what I want to do. Japan wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>my only option. I looked at you know, China, Korea,

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<v Speaker 2>places in South America as well, but lied to company

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<v Speaker 2>in Japan, had some interviews stateside, and yeah, about eight

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<v Speaker 2>months later, they offered me a contract, got the plane ticket,

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<v Speaker 2>sold my car, and you know, packed my bags and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, landed in Japan and with not a clue

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<v Speaker 2>of what I was going to do. Pretty much, I

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<v Speaker 2>had a job, but outside of that, I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>where I was going to go. So, yeah, it's been

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<v Speaker 2>about a year in Japan. I returned to the States briefly,

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<v Speaker 2>but then I came back right around the time of

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<v Speaker 2>there's a big earthquake around twenty eleven, and yeah, I've

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<v Speaker 2>been in Japan since. So it wasn't always in Tokyo.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of managed to ran some English schools in

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<v Speaker 2>a city up north of Tokyo, but yeah, the last

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<v Speaker 2>five years been living in Tokyo now, So it's especially

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<v Speaker 2>in the last five to six years. The changes, as

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<v Speaker 2>you know you've alluded to in our chat previously, are

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<v Speaker 2>are are a parent, So.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so a couple of things there. I think like

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of people, uh, just kind of due to

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<v Speaker 3>culture osmosis being you know, on the internet, Internet natives,

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<v Speaker 3>there's always been, you know, an appreciation for Japanese culture,

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<v Speaker 3>both on the level obviously of media, but also it's

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<v Speaker 3>an orderly place. Themes, things seem to work there in

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<v Speaker 3>a way that well they used to in America and

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<v Speaker 3>don't anymore. And when you combine, as I mentioned earlier

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<v Speaker 3>before we started recording the recent I guess kind of

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<v Speaker 3>random algorithmic change which cross pollinated a ton of normal

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<v Speaker 3>Japanese guys and kind of you know, chud Americans on

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<v Speaker 3>social media, you know, where we have an auto translate feature,

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<v Speaker 3>we can actually talk to each other. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 3>if you caught the U the peanut coke craze that

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<v Speaker 3>my friend Polpo started.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I saw that, and I'll go ahead, I

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<v Speaker 2>let you finish. But I have some coinor colary on that.

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<v Speaker 3>So no, but it was it was this great moment

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<v Speaker 3>of good feeling, you know, where we finally had been

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<v Speaker 3>able to talk one to another and realized, no, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>we're pretty similar, similar interests, you know, enjoy many of

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<v Speaker 3>the same things, and honestly, I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people were surprised at how, not to say similar the

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<v Speaker 3>politics were, but at least there was a cohort of

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<v Speaker 3>you know, right wing Japanese guys on the internet who

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<v Speaker 3>were noticing the same things, particularly around feminism and immigration,

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<v Speaker 3>and there was kind of this funny discourse for a

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<v Speaker 3>few days of wait a minute, we thought you were

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<v Speaker 3>all libtards because that's what we see on media. Oh wait,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, there is a you know, some semblance of

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<v Speaker 3>a resistance there. And with that obviously came the realization

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<v Speaker 3>that you know, in Japan, you guys are facing the

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<v Speaker 3>same problems with immigration we are, albeit thankfully at a

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<v Speaker 3>much relatively lower scale. But you're seeing in real time

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<v Speaker 3>a graded on a curve, perfectly ordered society all of

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<v Speaker 3>a sudden speed running what we've gone through over the

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<v Speaker 3>last sixty years. So just a little bit of background

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<v Speaker 3>their loan star obviously, you know this just for the

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<v Speaker 3>sake of the audience, But I'm curious as regards immigration,

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<v Speaker 3>when did that start to be a problem, because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>obviously there's a difference between you know, getting a job

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<v Speaker 3>moving over and Johnny Somali, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it's.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a bit more nuanced and obviously what's a what

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<v Speaker 2>you see on Twitter. Basically, there's always been you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a small minority of people from pretty much everywhere in Japan,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's always been about one, maybe two percent of

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<v Speaker 2>the population among all the foreign population. The large majority

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<v Speaker 2>of the foreign population here are other East Asians, mostly

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<v Speaker 2>Chinese and Koreans, so that makes up the huge bulk

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<v Speaker 2>of the foreign population in Japan. Outside of that, you

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<v Speaker 2>have Southeast Asians like Vietnamese, Laotians, Thai people coming here

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<v Speaker 2>as well. A lot of the a lot of those

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<v Speaker 2>people come you know as cheap labor pretty much, right,

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<v Speaker 2>not all, but there's a lot in that sector. And

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<v Speaker 2>then you have all the other foreigners, which includes Europeans, Americans, Africans,

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<v Speaker 2>South Americans, Brazilians, et cetera. Right, So, even amongst the

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<v Speaker 2>foreign population, someone like myself is still relatively small, so

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<v Speaker 2>to speak. So the image of what foreigners are in

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<v Speaker 2>Japan is different, and the Japanese have slightly different attitudes

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<v Speaker 2>towards foreign population so to depend, especially because of the history.

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<v Speaker 2>Won't really go into too many details about that, but

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't living in Tokyo at the time, but there were

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<v Speaker 2>you know, reports of a growing population of Kurdish refugees

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<v Speaker 2>status come here, and then apparently what's happening is some

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<v Speaker 2>they're kind of, as people say, kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>leeching off the system. But they've all mostly kind of

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<v Speaker 2>congregated area. So in general, Japan is still a relatively

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<v Speaker 2>safe country. It's just they there are some like concentrated

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<v Speaker 2>pockets where there is higher you know, like petty crime.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have any statistics about that, but that's usually

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<v Speaker 2>been an issue that you see in the news. Local

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<v Speaker 2>news here is about the Kurdish issue. Right outside of that,

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<v Speaker 2>you hear random reports about in terms of foreign crime,

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>So all that being said, relatively speaking, Japan is still

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<v Speaker 2>I would say it's it's still a great place to live.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's still safe, it's still orderly, it's still clean.

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<v Speaker 2>But the trend is actually posts uh covid has you

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<v Speaker 2>see a large demographic shift, and especially even in you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the smaller cities, And that's the biggest change that I've

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know that. I'm not a statistician, but I'm

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<v Speaker 3>pretty sure. And this is something you see a lot

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<v Speaker 3>from the kind of like as much as I hate

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<v Speaker 3>to use this term, but kind of the immigration slop,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, big Maga account where you know, they will

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<v Speaker 3>take a video out of you know, England or you know,

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<v Speaker 3>even continental Europe Japan and basically say, you know, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>X y Z country has fallen and look, we're the

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<v Speaker 3>trend lines aren't good, but we need to we need

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<v Speaker 3>to understand what we're talking about in relative terms. Even

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<v Speaker 3>within America, Like my city is perfectly safe. I could

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<v Speaker 3>go almost anywhere, you know, with one hundred dollars bill

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<v Speaker 3>sticking out of my back pocket, and I'd be fine.

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<v Speaker 3>So my relative crime weight is next to nothing. Now

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<v Speaker 3>if my city goes from an average of one murder

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<v Speaker 3>a year to two, well it's big enough. I probably

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<v Speaker 3>don't know a difference, but that's that's one hundred percent increase, right,

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that there's a vested interest in selling

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<v Speaker 3>this kind of if I can use a crude term,

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<v Speaker 3>kind of doom porn, you know, it's all over because

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<v Speaker 3>it sells, and so I don't want to, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>put words in your mouth, certainly, But it's not as

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<v Speaker 3>if Japan is now forty percent Japanese, right, but a

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<v Speaker 3>change from again one percent primarily East Asian, with a

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<v Speaker 3>few other you know, kind of assorted foreigners to you know,

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<v Speaker 3>even Kurds, which graded on a curve, aren't that bad

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<v Speaker 3>compared to other populations. It's notable change. So what has

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<v Speaker 3>in the West, we are assured that this new I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's a female prime minister, correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, yeah, you know we female prime minister. Japan

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<v Speaker 2>has had two, which is interesting because the controversy around

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<v Speaker 2>her is not usually around that, which is surprising for Japan.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say, well, and at least in the West,

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<v Speaker 3>somewhat similar to you know Maloney or Orbon or any

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<v Speaker 3>other of these leaders. The coverage we get from mainstream

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<v Speaker 3>media is, you know, this is the reincarnation of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>General Hirohito. The farthest right. You can imagine she's you know,

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<v Speaker 3>putting immigrants up on gibbets in public, you know, letting

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<v Speaker 3>the crows feed on them. I'm guessing that's not accurate,

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<v Speaker 3>but nonetheless, one what is the reaction from both the

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<v Speaker 3>populace and kind of the political class to this new

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<v Speaker 3>changing immigration landscape?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, so, kind there's a touch on your first point

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<v Speaker 2>about you know, people sharing like this, as you said,

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<v Speaker 2>like doom porn or these almost like sensationalists posts, which,

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<v Speaker 2>just to be clear, a lot of what you see

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<v Speaker 2>posted about Japan, they use real videos, those are real

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<v Speaker 2>incidences that happen, but oftentimes they're years old, or they're

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<v Speaker 2>they're posted out of context in some way, and they

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<v Speaker 2>are sensationalists. There's a lot of LARPing accounts that are

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<v Speaker 2>people who are not Japanese who are posing as Japanese

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<v Speaker 2>posting this kind of slop and well, actually, yeah, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the things that was really interesting, sorry to

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<v Speaker 3>just build on that point talking to the you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the Japanese bros. Was they were like, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 3>you have Nigerians pretending to be Americans on social media

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<v Speaker 3>and making money from it. We have that too, and again,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's the business model is the same everywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>But to your point, yes, I've I've heard, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>from my mutuals on social media the same thing. Sorry, lugstar,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll stop.

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<v Speaker 2>It or uh no, no problem. But yeah, even amongst

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<v Speaker 2>you know, people in our circles, they'll repost it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because they don't know if it's you know, they only

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<v Speaker 2>dig a little bit into it. They see what's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>So a lot of it is Yeah, there's there's truth

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<v Speaker 2>to it, but it's not as bad or it's not

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<v Speaker 2>the same context as what they're sharing. Right, So Japan

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<v Speaker 2>is not doomed at least not yet anyway. It's uh,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, it's still relatively safe country. I live

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<v Speaker 2>in live in Tokyo. It is the largest, the largest

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<v Speaker 2>you know, metropolitan city in the world, right or in

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<v Speaker 2>the most populous, I guess. And even in a city

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<v Speaker 2>like Tokyo, you go to a restaurant, you go anywhere

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<v Speaker 2>you can claim a seat, uh first by leaving your bag,

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<v Speaker 2>leaving your phone on the table, and then going to

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<v Speaker 2>the counter ordering comeback, and no one takes a seat,

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<v Speaker 2>no one takes your stuff. That's I would say ninety

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<v Speaker 2>nine point nine percent at the time. You're good, no

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<v Speaker 2>one's going to steal your stuff. But it's weird, like

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<v Speaker 2>the things that get stolen the most in Japan are

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<v Speaker 2>going to be umbrellas or bicycles.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I'll I'll leave your imagination to that, but

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<v Speaker 1>might might surprise you.

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<v Speaker 2>But but yeah, so it's it's still, relatively speaking, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the safest cities to live in, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>safest countries to live in. So getting that out of

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<v Speaker 2>the way, it's not fallen, it's not doomed, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a hellish landscape, or it's not even you know,

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<v Speaker 2>comparative to Europe in that way. Right, But as I said,

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<v Speaker 2>the trend is happening, especially since the borders opened after

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<v Speaker 2>COVID that there's been a large increase of especially salt

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<v Speaker 2>Asians here from India, Bangladesh, Pakistan. There was always you know,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a small minority because there's you know, Indian

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<v Speaker 2>restaurants are quite popular here, so there was always you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a small minority who were mostly peaceful, you know, ran

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<v Speaker 2>restaurants things like that, right, But you see more and

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<v Speaker 2>more of people who are you know, working at convenience

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<v Speaker 2>stores or whatnot, students, exchange students, language school students. In

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<v Speaker 2>these smaller cities people, you know, cities like five hundred

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<v Speaker 2>thousand people or less, which for Japan is medium to small,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll see just large amounts of these, you know, groups

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<v Speaker 2>of these people just appearing out of nowhere, seemingly out

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<v Speaker 2>of nowhere, and the local population is you know, Japanese

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<v Speaker 2>are outwardly very welcoming people. They're reserved, but they're usually

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<v Speaker 2>very welcoming and friendly, and so they're just they don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how to react, especially you know, the smaller town people.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they're they're not going to be outwardly rude.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, a sudden demographic change like that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, causes a bit of confusion, I guess, but

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<v Speaker 2>just concern overall concern, and that's a key cultural element

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<v Speaker 2>in Japan. That is very important is the overall peace

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<v Speaker 2>and safety that they've built here, right, So that's a

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<v Speaker 2>that's a very big thing in Japan is you know,

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<v Speaker 2>keeping the peace, keeping the order, right. So anything that

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<v Speaker 2>disrupts that is is kind of countering their their cultural norms, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So it could be anything innocent or not innocent, but

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<v Speaker 2>it is still kind of great up against that. So

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<v Speaker 2>it causes an unease whether the immigrants coming in or

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<v Speaker 2>are causing issues or not.

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<v Speaker 3>Basically speaking purely anecdotally, I really got introduced to Japanese

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<v Speaker 3>culture with the kind of you know, like early two

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<v Speaker 3>thousands car culture, like video option and stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 3>these kind of bootlegs that were passed around. And so

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<v Speaker 3>because of that, there are a lot of people who

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<v Speaker 3>you know, either through forums or you know, even now

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<v Speaker 3>on on x as it's gotten seemingly quite big in Japan,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of guys who I've you know, not followed closely,

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<v Speaker 3>but been aware of for kind of fifteen years. And

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<v Speaker 3>what's interesting is at least in that community, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>guys who are into kind of old cars and stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, including the kind of you know, older American stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>There's been an interesting rise of auto theft. We're somewhat

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<v Speaker 3>similar to you know, big cities like Portland in America.

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<v Speaker 3>They are these kind of rings of they say Eastern Europeans.

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<v Speaker 3>Who knows what that means. Basically, you know, with contacts

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<v Speaker 3>at shipping yards who will take a car, goes into

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<v Speaker 3>a shipping container and it shows up in Russia or Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 3>And again, right, this is not on the order of

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<v Speaker 3>a place like Detroit or you know, Johannesburg, where there's

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<v Speaker 3>you know, dozens of carjackings a day. But still, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of these guys live in these kind of

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<v Speaker 3>small to medium cities. And again I'm not on the ground.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just reading tea leads, so to speak, on the internet.

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<v Speaker 3>But the tone of this is obviously angry, but also

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<v Speaker 3>surprised and shocked. You know, this is not something I've

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<v Speaker 3>ever had to deal with, and all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, my hobby, my prized possession, is most likely

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<v Speaker 3>in a shipping container headed to Russia, you know, And

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<v Speaker 3>of course you know there's a rational anger to that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, that's a lot of money. But the surprise

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<v Speaker 3>is interesting as well. The tone seems to be and

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<v Speaker 3>again it's through Ai translation. So who knows how much

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<v Speaker 3>I'm picking up on is basically wait a minute, I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't know that happened here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's funny you say that. So I don't really

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<v Speaker 1>About the.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the car import export kind of industry here.

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<v Speaker 2>But even from early on, from the first you know,

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<v Speaker 2>year that I was that I was here, I met

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<v Speaker 2>people who were from I think Nigeria that had multiple

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<v Speaker 2>import export businesses operating in the same city. They would

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<v Speaker 2>buy cars from let's say China or Korea, import into Japan,

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<v Speaker 2>resell them to somewhere in Africa or the Middle East,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's kind of a middleman sort of business. Didn't

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<v Speaker 2>really dig in too much into that. That's the extent

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<v Speaker 2>that I know. Other related crimes to that. I've heard

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<v Speaker 2>of the Chinese mafia being involved with luxury car thiffs.

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<v Speaker 2>They often operate at night. They'll they'll you know, scout

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<v Speaker 2>go to someone's apartment complex and with some machine and

415
00:26:13.599 --> 00:26:16.200
<v Speaker 2>quietly just like pick it up and carry it away.

416
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<v Speaker 2>You don't hear too much about those crimes. These days,

417
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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, maybe about ten fifteen years ago, there was

418
00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:30.119
<v Speaker 2>a string of those happening. More recently though, I haven't

419
00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:31.839
<v Speaker 2>really heard too much in that area.

420
00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:36.400
<v Speaker 3>So lone Star, you told me about the kind of

421
00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:39.319
<v Speaker 3>public level reaction, you know, this kind of growing concern

422
00:26:39.440 --> 00:26:43.480
<v Speaker 3>that this social balance is being disturbed. Has that made

423
00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:47.319
<v Speaker 3>its way into politics. Are politicians talking about immigration?

424
00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:55.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, especially the most recent elections. So to put it shortly,

425
00:26:55.279 --> 00:26:58.359
<v Speaker 2>Japanese politics post World War two has just been dominated

426
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<v Speaker 2>by one political party. But because it's so, it's basically

427
00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:08.519
<v Speaker 2>had power since then. But there's a number of Japanese

428
00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:11.599
<v Speaker 2>political parties. They even have a you know, the Communist

429
00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Party here, right, which is it's more closely like a

430
00:27:16.039 --> 00:27:18.680
<v Speaker 2>democratic socialist, like a Bernie Sanders type of party, right,

431
00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:21.880
<v Speaker 2>But they do have a very you know a lot

432
00:27:21.880 --> 00:27:26.519
<v Speaker 2>of different political parties. But because the LDP, the Liberal

433
00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:31.319
<v Speaker 2>Democratic Party, has been in control since then, say for

434
00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:34.400
<v Speaker 2>a couple of times, very short times where they weren't.

435
00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:40.160
<v Speaker 2>But other political parties will form coalitions right to either

436
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:44.920
<v Speaker 2>defend against them or to counter them, or to ally

437
00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:46.640
<v Speaker 2>with them, to become like a super party.

438
00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:47.079
<v Speaker 1>Right.

439
00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:51.759
<v Speaker 2>So it's uh, there's a lot of game of Thrones

440
00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:55.720
<v Speaker 2>style stuff that goes on in there. But yeah, even

441
00:27:55.799 --> 00:27:59.759
<v Speaker 2>within the large LDD party there's factions as well. So

442
00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:07.640
<v Speaker 2>the current Prime Minister Takeiji, so she was kind of

443
00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:13.039
<v Speaker 2>elected as you know, people were she was portraying this

444
00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:16.359
<v Speaker 2>image is like the next Margaret Thatcher type, right, the

445
00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:22.680
<v Speaker 2>next you know, Japan's Iron Lady, right. But another another party,

446
00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:25.680
<v Speaker 2>a fairly new party, kind of made a lot of

447
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:30.880
<v Speaker 2>games recently within the Japanese government. It's called Sanseeto and

448
00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:37.960
<v Speaker 2>they're very very nationalistic. Their slogan is Japan First, so

449
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:42.279
<v Speaker 2>to kind of take for that. So they've really harped

450
00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:46.559
<v Speaker 2>on the immigration issue. They're really hard line on that.

451
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:54.839
<v Speaker 2>I I haven't really paid too much attention to them

452
00:28:55.039 --> 00:29:00.720
<v Speaker 2>since the last election. They did gain about teen seats

453
00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:05.559
<v Speaker 2>I believe, which is a large number but not a majority.

454
00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:10.519
<v Speaker 2>They're the probably the most conservative party that's in the

455
00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:14.839
<v Speaker 2>government at the moment. But the LDP does have a

456
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:20.200
<v Speaker 2>conservative wing, like the Shinzo Abbe style wing of people,

457
00:29:20.559 --> 00:29:22.960
<v Speaker 2>and that's kind of where Takiji kind of falls into,

458
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:27.079
<v Speaker 2>kind of very close to Shinzo Abbe. So you see

459
00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:30.640
<v Speaker 2>her kind of butting up with Donald Trump. That's really

460
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:33.839
<v Speaker 2>kind of why right, So they're kind of in that

461
00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:40.039
<v Speaker 2>sort of connection in that sphere. So because that sort

462
00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:45.480
<v Speaker 2>of more conservative branch of the LDP was elected, it

463
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:50.319
<v Speaker 2>was kind of influenced by a growing sentiment amongst the population.

464
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:55.079
<v Speaker 2>It's taken a more conservative swing so.

465
00:29:56.680 --> 00:29:57.359
<v Speaker 1>To kind of.

466
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:03.839
<v Speaker 2>Similar to the West in a way, where the younger

467
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:08.799
<v Speaker 2>generation like gen Z, especially in Japan, are swinging a

468
00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:13.240
<v Speaker 2>lot more conservative. They're openly talking about the immigration issue,

469
00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:14.279
<v Speaker 2>even in.

470
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<v Speaker 1>Japanese.

471
00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Guy I work with, young guy, maybe twenty seven years old,

472
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:26.640
<v Speaker 2>lived in Belfast up until recently, so he has some

473
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:31.200
<v Speaker 2>stories to tell. But he saw firsthand what was happening

474
00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:34.759
<v Speaker 2>in Belfast and sees what's happening to Japan and doesn't

475
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:38.319
<v Speaker 2>want that to happen. So he's very open about voting

476
00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:44.240
<v Speaker 2>for the SUNSETA party. We played a little joke on him,

477
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:47.720
<v Speaker 2>kind of a half joke at the company Christmas party.

478
00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:51.839
<v Speaker 2>We gifted him my Japanese language version of Mindcom that

479
00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:56.599
<v Speaker 2>he was appreciative of. So yeah, but that's not to

480
00:30:56.599 --> 00:31:01.680
<v Speaker 2>say the entire youth is that hardline, but the overall

481
00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:04.839
<v Speaker 2>trend is going that way. There's a lot more younger

482
00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:10.359
<v Speaker 2>people openly, you know, talking about being political, which is

483
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:13.319
<v Speaker 2>a bit more rare in Japan. People aren't as usually

484
00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:17.119
<v Speaker 2>as open with their politics here, but you see a

485
00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:19.720
<v Speaker 2>lot more people who are vocal about their politics who

486
00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:24.480
<v Speaker 2>are younger, and it's it's definitely more of a right slant.

487
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:32.720
<v Speaker 3>So that's immigration. I'm also curious to get your thoughts

488
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:36.720
<v Speaker 3>on kind of feminism in Japan because for a long

489
00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:39.240
<v Speaker 3>time people have been talking about, you know, the six

490
00:31:39.319 --> 00:31:44.200
<v Speaker 3>B movement in Korea, and then I had some sources

491
00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:46.240
<v Speaker 3>on the ground kind of correct beyond that and say,

492
00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:48.880
<v Speaker 3>look like that's that's much more of a feature of

493
00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:53.319
<v Speaker 3>Western media than it is local politics. And so even

494
00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:58.240
<v Speaker 3>with relatively free social media, you have this distortion of

495
00:31:58.319 --> 00:32:02.559
<v Speaker 3>living halfway across the world. And you mentioned the fact,

496
00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:05.200
<v Speaker 3>of course that the current prime minister is the first

497
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:09.519
<v Speaker 3>female prime minister ever, and so is there a similar

498
00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:13.319
<v Speaker 3>war between the sexes happening in Japan or is that

499
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:19.359
<v Speaker 3>just projection of American Western trends through which we view

500
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:22.680
<v Speaker 3>news coming from the East.

501
00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:26.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just like the immigration issue, it is a bit

502
00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:31.519
<v Speaker 2>more nuanced than that. So the I would say culturally

503
00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:36.160
<v Speaker 2>Japan is compared to the West, tends to be a

504
00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:41.480
<v Speaker 2>bit slower playing ketchup. So things that were trend in

505
00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:45.680
<v Speaker 2>the West maybe ten years ago kind of cropped up

506
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:48.160
<v Speaker 2>about five to six years ago here, right, So.

507
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:55.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, back when what was it, the me too?

508
00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:58.960
<v Speaker 2>The me too movement was big on social media in

509
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:02.799
<v Speaker 2>the West, it took Japan. Japan had its own med

510
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:04.640
<v Speaker 2>too movement, but it was you know, a couple of

511
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:10.000
<v Speaker 2>years later after that, right, and it focused solely you know,

512
00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:16.000
<v Speaker 2>on Japanese culture within that context. So, and it wasn't

513
00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:20.839
<v Speaker 2>only focused on women. There were actually some cases where

514
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:24.079
<v Speaker 2>men were involved with that too. So, like I said,

515
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:29.240
<v Speaker 2>it's a bit more nuanced, but culturally speaking, yeah, it's

516
00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:33.759
<v Speaker 2>still very traditional, you know, thinking to its core. Right, So,

517
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:36.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, there are women in the workplace, there are

518
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:42.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, women in leadership positions and companies and now

519
00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:47.200
<v Speaker 2>in government, and that's actually been kind of a more

520
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:51.119
<v Speaker 2>of a normal thing here in the last twenty years

521
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:56.240
<v Speaker 2>or so, maybe thirty years. But there's still this kind

522
00:33:56.240 --> 00:34:00.160
<v Speaker 2>of core idea that you know, a woman who is

523
00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:04.200
<v Speaker 2>working once she gets married and is pregnant. Yeah, they

524
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:08.599
<v Speaker 2>have a maternity leaf system, but the idea is like, okay,

525
00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:14.519
<v Speaker 2>now your role is shifted to motherhood, right, Tokyo. It's

526
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:17.199
<v Speaker 2>a bit different because it's a it's a big city, right,

527
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:20.239
<v Speaker 2>so you're gonna you're going to have a lot of different.

528
00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:22.280
<v Speaker 1>Attitudes.

529
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:26.039
<v Speaker 2>But the more of the smaller towns and cities you

530
00:34:26.079 --> 00:34:30.719
<v Speaker 2>go to, the idea still is very still, very pervasive,

531
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:31.480
<v Speaker 2>I would say.

532
00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:37.400
<v Speaker 3>So that brings us to another question, which is the

533
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:42.440
<v Speaker 3>demographic situation within Japan. As far as I understand it,

534
00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:45.639
<v Speaker 3>this is sort of an inverse pyramid where you have

535
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:50.400
<v Speaker 3>a large number of older people, and oftentimes Western immigration

536
00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:54.639
<v Speaker 3>advocates will point to Japan. I mean even people you know,

537
00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:57.400
<v Speaker 3>I generally am more aligned with guys like e Michael Jones,

538
00:34:57.440 --> 00:34:59.960
<v Speaker 3>who I've sort of equipped before. Is this perfect? Say

539
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.400
<v Speaker 3>the sists of based and cringe. You know, you can

540
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:06.559
<v Speaker 3>find radically different opinions, but they will say things like, oh,

541
00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:10.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, given this aging population, Japan needs to open

542
00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:13.760
<v Speaker 3>its borders so that they can have you know, on

543
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:16.239
<v Speaker 3>the kind of left side. You know, they will say,

544
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:18.119
<v Speaker 3>you know, areas like the you know, the Middle East

545
00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:20.440
<v Speaker 3>in Africa, or you know, if you happen to be

546
00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:24.000
<v Speaker 3>an Irish traditional Catholic, they'll point to the Philippines. But regardless,

547
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:28.360
<v Speaker 3>non Japanese people come in to pick up the slack.

548
00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:31.719
<v Speaker 3>So to kind of summarize that into two questions, One

549
00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:37.519
<v Speaker 3>if you could speak to the demographic situation in Japan

550
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:41.199
<v Speaker 3>and two has there been an attempt to basically prop

551
00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:45.639
<v Speaker 3>up this sort of inverted pyramid with foreign immigration?

552
00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:48.119
<v Speaker 1>Right?

553
00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:53.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, go to the first question, the demographics. You're you're right,

554
00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:58.559
<v Speaker 2>it is a reverse pyramid, and that's reverse pyramid. You know,

555
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:03.920
<v Speaker 2>the top of it grown was, you know, day by day.

556
00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:06.039
<v Speaker 2>So it's really a kind of a trend in the

557
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:11.400
<v Speaker 2>last thirty forty years in Japan where the younger generations

558
00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:14.400
<v Speaker 2>have also kind of checked out. They don't like the

559
00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:19.800
<v Speaker 2>rigid rules or the work culture or whatever the expectations

560
00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:25.000
<v Speaker 2>put on them. There was even a kind of I

561
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:29.840
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't say a trend, but there was like a an issue,

562
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:32.320
<v Speaker 2>a cultural issue, I guess you could say, in like

563
00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:34.559
<v Speaker 2>the two thousands of maybe you've heard of it. The

564
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:40.320
<v Speaker 2>hiki komori, the so ahiki komori is someone who just

565
00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:43.039
<v Speaker 2>is a recluse in their house. They never leave their home.

566
00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:48.920
<v Speaker 2>They're unemployed, they either live off their parents or some

567
00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:52.280
<v Speaker 2>sort of welfare system, and usually only go out just

568
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:56.679
<v Speaker 2>to buy food. Right, So they spend all day online,

569
00:36:57.159 --> 00:37:02.400
<v Speaker 2>so that became sort of like a social stigma if

570
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:04.800
<v Speaker 2>you were that or they taught they had like an

571
00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:09.360
<v Speaker 2>issue with neats, you know. So there's always some sort

572
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:15.119
<v Speaker 2>of youth problem issue within the last twenty years or

573
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:19.599
<v Speaker 2>so that people complain, you know, young people aren't getting married,

574
00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:25.400
<v Speaker 2>they're not having kids, which statistically, looking at it is true. Yeah,

575
00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:29.039
<v Speaker 2>the trends looks like it looks like that. If you're

576
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:33.000
<v Speaker 2>here on the grounds, you would you wouldn't think that. However,

577
00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:37.039
<v Speaker 2>I know it's just anecdotal, but you go to any

578
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:40.559
<v Speaker 2>park in any city in Japan, you're going to see

579
00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:44.679
<v Speaker 2>families with at least one, if not two, three kids

580
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:49.199
<v Speaker 2>like there are you know, the people who do have

581
00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:53.719
<v Speaker 2>families here tend to have more than one child, I

582
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:57.039
<v Speaker 2>would say, And I'm not sure if that's offsetting anything,

583
00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:02.119
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, the the real issue here is the growing

584
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:08.000
<v Speaker 2>aging population and just not enough people to contribute to

585
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:13.559
<v Speaker 2>the pension and the government retirement for them. So and

586
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:17.039
<v Speaker 2>that trends to kind of go into question number two.

587
00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:27.480
<v Speaker 2>There are groups that are advocating for bringing in too, yeah,

588
00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:32.000
<v Speaker 2>bringing in foreigners to help with that. They paint it

589
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:34.800
<v Speaker 2>in it like a labor sense like oh, there's not enough,

590
00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:37.960
<v Speaker 2>not enough young people working, so we need to offset

591
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:41.159
<v Speaker 2>the labor. There's not enough people working on farms anymore,

592
00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:44.360
<v Speaker 2>the people are too old, or we need people in

593
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:50.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah, construction thing, you know, labor like that.

594
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:54.559
<v Speaker 2>And so they'll, like I said, they bring people like

595
00:38:54.599 --> 00:39:00.320
<v Speaker 2>from South Asia, Southeast Asia because they're cheap pretty much,

596
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:07.320
<v Speaker 2>and there's sometimes there's even criminal groups that are involved.

597
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:11.679
<v Speaker 2>So they'll they'll pose as companies offering legit jobs in

598
00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Japan to people in poorer countries in Southeast Asia usually,

599
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:22.360
<v Speaker 2>and they bring them over and then they take their passport,

600
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:26.360
<v Speaker 2>they'll hold their passport hostage, and then they basically treat

601
00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:30.239
<v Speaker 2>some of these people like slaves almost or they even

602
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:35.000
<v Speaker 2>sell some of the women into prostitution as well. That's

603
00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:40.239
<v Speaker 2>not you know, a super common thing, but it does happen.

604
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:49.199
<v Speaker 2>And then you have the non criminal organizations like NGOs

605
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:56.559
<v Speaker 2>that are actively trying to bring more international people in.

606
00:39:57.079 --> 00:40:01.559
<v Speaker 2>You may have seen recent stories about towns wanting to

607
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:04.800
<v Speaker 2>bring in people from Nigeria or India or something. So

608
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:10.320
<v Speaker 2>what that story was. The town's designated like this is

609
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:16.000
<v Speaker 2>the official you know, Japanese hometown for Nigeria or something

610
00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:19.760
<v Speaker 2>like that. So Japan does have a sister city system

611
00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:24.039
<v Speaker 2>in place. So the city I first worked in was

612
00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:27.320
<v Speaker 2>the sister city was Tulsa, Oklahoma. Why, I don't know.

613
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:30.400
<v Speaker 2>It was just picked at random. I'm not sure if

614
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:34.719
<v Speaker 2>this is the same under the same program. But what

615
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:38.079
<v Speaker 2>happened was people on social media got a hold of

616
00:40:38.119 --> 00:40:41.719
<v Speaker 2>the story, especially people from Nigeria and India, and they

617
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:45.320
<v Speaker 2>took it as oh, this is our ticket to move

618
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:48.280
<v Speaker 2>to this city because we're allowed to move here.

619
00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:49.159
<v Speaker 1>Right.

620
00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:54.000
<v Speaker 2>You may see stories that they planned on bringing in

621
00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:57.599
<v Speaker 2>like a few thousand people from the country and in

622
00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:01.840
<v Speaker 2>some exchange program. It's been a while, I forget the

623
00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:05.119
<v Speaker 2>details of it, but yeah, those two stories kind of

624
00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:07.239
<v Speaker 2>made the rounds the last few months, I believe.

625
00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:09.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

626
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:13.320
<v Speaker 3>I mean it's funny. I was gonna say a very

627
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:15.599
<v Speaker 3>small town near me, and then I realized I'm probably

628
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:18.480
<v Speaker 3>location docksing myself. But you could see the sign that's,

629
00:41:18.519 --> 00:41:20.719
<v Speaker 3>you know, some town in the middle of nowhere Japan

630
00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:24.239
<v Speaker 3>is the sister city. Now obviously, what does that mean.

631
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:28.320
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's some program who knows how much connection

632
00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:32.400
<v Speaker 3>there is. But yeah, that's that's helpful to know, right,

633
00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:35.920
<v Speaker 3>because we see obviously that same sort of to be

634
00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:38.719
<v Speaker 3>blunt about it, kind of mafia system in certain industries,

635
00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:40.679
<v Speaker 3>like in America, we see it a ton in trucking.

636
00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:43.599
<v Speaker 3>You know that this is basically like slave labor often.

637
00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:46.840
<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is very very common in the Gulf States,

638
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:50.239
<v Speaker 3>you know, anywhere where there's this kind of imported servant class.

639
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:55.800
<v Speaker 3>And I believe, yeah, exactly, yeah, they're infamous for it.

640
00:41:55.880 --> 00:42:00.559
<v Speaker 3>But you know, all of the oil rich nation do

641
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:02.880
<v Speaker 3>the same thing. So let's be honest, some of them

642
00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:06.400
<v Speaker 3>just have slaves. You know, they don't even need to, uh,

643
00:42:06.679 --> 00:42:09.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, inject a criminal label to it. And I am,

644
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:12.840
<v Speaker 3>as you could probably tell and start pretty far from

645
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:15.800
<v Speaker 3>a bleeding heart lib. But I you know, I feel

646
00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:18.679
<v Speaker 3>pretty confident in my I do not want slaves in

647
00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:21.920
<v Speaker 3>my country position. You know, I want to come across

648
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:23.800
<v Speaker 3>as a you know, a total lib tard on it.

649
00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:29.760
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, that's an interesting, interesting point that because of course,

650
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:34.039
<v Speaker 3>you know I mentioned this before, Oftentimes Japan is used

651
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:37.519
<v Speaker 3>as kind of a scare tactic here of oh, you know,

652
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:40.360
<v Speaker 3>can you imagine living in this country with a massively

653
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:44.079
<v Speaker 3>aging population, And that's why, you know, young one Carlo

654
00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:47.400
<v Speaker 3>ignatio needs to move into your neighborhood. You know, it's

655
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:50.199
<v Speaker 3>sort of as a you know, a stick basically, And

656
00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:56.119
<v Speaker 3>so I assume there are there are problems with you know,

657
00:42:56.159 --> 00:43:00.599
<v Speaker 3>an aging population, But to what degree are those problems felt? Like,

658
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:03.000
<v Speaker 3>to be blunt about it, how bad is it?

659
00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:10.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would say the issues range from minor annoyances,

660
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:13.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, just having a lot of old people around

661
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:16.280
<v Speaker 2>that walk a bit slower, you have somewhere to go,

662
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:18.920
<v Speaker 2>you're in a rush, or something like I said, that's

663
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:20.840
<v Speaker 2>it's a very minor thing, but it's.

664
00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:24.039
<v Speaker 1>Noticeable, just.

665
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:30.760
<v Speaker 2>I I would say, yeah, in terms of like you

666
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:34.639
<v Speaker 2>feel in taxes as well. I mean Japan, you know,

667
00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:39.719
<v Speaker 2>they they love their taxes, right, so a lot of

668
00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:43.880
<v Speaker 2>it goes to government welfare programs because it's still it

669
00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:48.519
<v Speaker 2>is a capitalist country. But the culture is still very

670
00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:52.840
<v Speaker 2>group group oriented, right, as a lot of East Asian

671
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:53.400
<v Speaker 2>cultures are.

672
00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:54.159
<v Speaker 1>So the.

673
00:43:55.639 --> 00:44:00.360
<v Speaker 2>Group is more important. Society as a whole is very important.

674
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:05.519
<v Speaker 2>Your your fellow neighbor is part of the whole society, right,

675
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:10.639
<v Speaker 2>So it's like your duty as a citizen to take

676
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:13.320
<v Speaker 2>care of people, and the easiest way to do that

677
00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:20.519
<v Speaker 2>is through you know, various welfare programs, and what you'll

678
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:24.719
<v Speaker 2>see on the Japanese online right is they've been harping

679
00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:32.400
<v Speaker 2>for years and years about welfare for foreigners. Whether the

680
00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:35.800
<v Speaker 2>extent of that is whether how much they're contributing versus

681
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:40.079
<v Speaker 2>receiving from the government. I mean that that's uh, that's

682
00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:43.360
<v Speaker 2>details I don't really know about, but that that's been

683
00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:48.960
<v Speaker 2>an issue, especially with the online Japanese right. But in

684
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:52.440
<v Speaker 2>terms of the overall impacts day to day feeling, it's

685
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:55.519
<v Speaker 2>it's usually you just you just see a lot of

686
00:44:55.599 --> 00:45:01.079
<v Speaker 2>aged old people, a lot of them are half halfway disabled,

687
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:03.920
<v Speaker 2>walking around with various ailments.

688
00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:07.360
<v Speaker 1>It's and.

689
00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:11.320
<v Speaker 2>Up until recently, I would say, you don't really see

690
00:45:11.360 --> 00:45:15.639
<v Speaker 2>too many homeless and it's even in Tokyo. But in

691
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:19.320
<v Speaker 2>some areas you start see a bit more homeless people

692
00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:23.039
<v Speaker 2>popping up, which is is a bit surprising.

693
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:27.039
<v Speaker 3>So this this will be a slight digression, but I

694
00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:30.840
<v Speaker 3>promise I'll bring it back. My tenant, the guy who

695
00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:33.519
<v Speaker 3>you know rents the other half of my house, he

696
00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:38.400
<v Speaker 3>is a mortician, right, he works at his family funeral home,

697
00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:41.159
<v Speaker 3>or at least is in school for it. And you

698
00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:43.840
<v Speaker 3>know he that's not what he assumed he was going

699
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:46.360
<v Speaker 3>to be doing. He's sort of an artistic guy, and

700
00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:49.360
<v Speaker 3>going back to that because you know, I assume even

701
00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:52.280
<v Speaker 3>halfway across the world, you've heard the economy isn't great here,

702
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:55.679
<v Speaker 3>especially for young white guys. But you know, going back,

703
00:45:56.159 --> 00:45:58.280
<v Speaker 3>it's been interesting to get you know, his thoughts on

704
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:00.519
<v Speaker 3>that process, right of being a mortician, you know, going

705
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:04.039
<v Speaker 3>into someone's house after they've died and cleaning up. And

706
00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:08.039
<v Speaker 3>he was mentioning that he'd come across this Japanese woman

707
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:11.800
<v Speaker 3>whose job was to do exactly that, to go into

708
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:15.440
<v Speaker 3>you know, someone's place after they deceased, you know, prepare

709
00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:17.480
<v Speaker 3>their body and take it where it needs to go.

710
00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:21.440
<v Speaker 3>And as part of that, she'd started a, I believe,

711
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:24.159
<v Speaker 3>an art project where she was making these sort of

712
00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:28.239
<v Speaker 3>miniature dioramas of the house as she found them. And

713
00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:31.280
<v Speaker 3>you know, reading the artist statement, I cannot remember her name,

714
00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:33.320
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, this was a story told to me. It

715
00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:36.880
<v Speaker 3>was really profound because she was talking about going into

716
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:41.639
<v Speaker 3>someone's house and they have no family whatsoever. You know,

717
00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:45.960
<v Speaker 3>they are simply an old person, completely by themselves. And

718
00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:49.079
<v Speaker 3>to sort of bring it back around, are you seeing that,

719
00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:53.679
<v Speaker 3>are you seeing elderly people with other than government assistants

720
00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:57.000
<v Speaker 3>really no network around them because, at least according to

721
00:46:57.039 --> 00:46:59.880
<v Speaker 3>this one artist my buddy saw on the internet, which

722
00:46:59.880 --> 00:47:04.039
<v Speaker 3>I realize it's a pretty pretty shaky, you know, citation there,

723
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:07.159
<v Speaker 3>there is this population of people who, you know, if

724
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:09.880
<v Speaker 3>they're gone, they won't be noticed to be blunt until

725
00:47:09.880 --> 00:47:10.760
<v Speaker 3>they start to stink.

726
00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:16.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thanks for yeah bringing that up. I forgot to

727
00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:22.280
<v Speaker 2>mention that that that is another issue. Either they'll they'll

728
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:26.679
<v Speaker 2>be you know, elderly people who who die don't have

729
00:47:26.679 --> 00:47:29.760
<v Speaker 2>any family, and it's not until the neighbors, as you said,

730
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:31.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, they start to smell something that they find

731
00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:35.760
<v Speaker 2>these people a couple of weeks sometimes later, that that

732
00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:36.360
<v Speaker 2>does happen.

733
00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:39.519
<v Speaker 1>On the other side, you have people who.

734
00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:43.880
<v Speaker 2>The children, adult children still live with the family, you know,

735
00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:49.480
<v Speaker 2>mostly probably taking care of the elderly parent. But because

736
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:53.840
<v Speaker 2>the parents elderly, they still receive you know, a pension

737
00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:59.239
<v Speaker 2>or assistance from the government. And you'll find situations where

738
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:04.639
<v Speaker 2>the parents will die and the children or the child

739
00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:08.079
<v Speaker 2>won't report it and they'll just hide the body sometimes

740
00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:13.639
<v Speaker 2>for years and just keep collecting the money from that

741
00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:15.400
<v Speaker 2>just to so they don't have to.

742
00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:16.719
<v Speaker 1>Work or for whatever reason.

743
00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:21.639
<v Speaker 2>And it's if it happened once, it's kind of weird,

744
00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:26.159
<v Speaker 2>kind of one of those like internet creepy pastas.

745
00:48:26.039 --> 00:48:27.519
<v Speaker 1>Or whatever, you know, those weird stories.

746
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:30.119
<v Speaker 2>But it's happened, you know, definitely a lot more than

747
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:35.440
<v Speaker 2>a few times over over the years. And it's it's

748
00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:39.039
<v Speaker 2>very grim to think about, you know, kind of exploiting

749
00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:43.599
<v Speaker 2>your relative's death just to collect the paycheck. But it happens.

750
00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:47.199
<v Speaker 2>It happens a lot more than people realize. And yeah,

751
00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:51.920
<v Speaker 2>that's another impact, is you find people dying alone, or

752
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:55.639
<v Speaker 2>the the you know, the I guess, the welfare fraud

753
00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:56.800
<v Speaker 2>of the children.

754
00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:02.039
<v Speaker 3>So you're an ex pat you've been there for you know,

755
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:05.400
<v Speaker 3>quite some time, and you know, not looking to be rude,

756
00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:08.440
<v Speaker 3>low and start. I imagine you don't exactly pass as Japanese,

757
00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:11.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, you're you're apparently not from there, And no, no,

758
00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:18.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm curious how have you been treated? Obviously, if there

759
00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:22.679
<v Speaker 3>is you know, a rising to whatever degree concern about immigration,

760
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:25.920
<v Speaker 3>you were clearly an immigrant. Is that extended to you

761
00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:29.199
<v Speaker 3>or are you normally seen as sort of a beneficial

762
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:31.039
<v Speaker 3>part of society.

763
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:36.679
<v Speaker 2>There's really two tiers to it, I guess, So I'll

764
00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:41.840
<v Speaker 2>be frank. My experience has been positive here I had.

765
00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:44.840
<v Speaker 2>There have been some negative things, but I wouldn't be

766
00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:47.679
<v Speaker 2>here as long as I have if I felt like

767
00:49:48.039 --> 00:49:52.039
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't. This wasn't a good place for me to

768
00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:56.079
<v Speaker 2>be at at this time. It took me a little

769
00:49:56.119 --> 00:50:02.000
<v Speaker 2>bit though to understand, I guess where my place is, right.

770
00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:07.400
<v Speaker 2>So a lot of especially a lot of Westerners. You'll

771
00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:10.079
<v Speaker 2>find this in Westerners, this mindset they want to come

772
00:50:10.119 --> 00:50:13.719
<v Speaker 2>to Japan and like become Japanese for some reason.

773
00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:18.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't understand.

774
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Why, but they just they really immerse themselves into the culture.

775
00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:26.280
<v Speaker 2>You know, they learn the language fluently. Some even become

776
00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:29.880
<v Speaker 2>citizens here, which in order to become a citizen of Japan,

777
00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:32.760
<v Speaker 2>you have to revoke all all of your other citizenships,

778
00:50:33.159 --> 00:50:37.000
<v Speaker 2>you have to adopt a Japanese name, the whole, the

779
00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:40.159
<v Speaker 2>whole deal, right, So there's there's some people have done that.

780
00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:46.519
<v Speaker 2>And the thing is, in Japan, no matter what you do,

781
00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:49.719
<v Speaker 2>especially if you look like someone like me or something,

782
00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:53.760
<v Speaker 2>you'll on paper, yeah you're you're Japanese, but you'll never

783
00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:59.440
<v Speaker 2>be seen as fully Japanese because in Japan, being Japanese

784
00:50:59.519 --> 00:51:03.920
<v Speaker 2>is more than just your your passport.

785
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:09.760
<v Speaker 1>It's it is that. But it's also your your your bloods.

786
00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:15.599
<v Speaker 2>Your your upbringing. It's a combination of many things. I'll

787
00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:18.679
<v Speaker 2>give an example when I was when I was teaching,

788
00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:23.480
<v Speaker 2>I had a private student, older, older guy, he was

789
00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:30.480
<v Speaker 2>maybe mid fifties, but he he was Japanese. But he said,

790
00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:36.719
<v Speaker 2>his parents, when he was young, we're living in Costa Rica.

791
00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:39.159
<v Speaker 2>I think his dad worked for the government or something.

792
00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:42.400
<v Speaker 2>And so he spent the first twelve years of his

793
00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:47.840
<v Speaker 2>life growing up in Costa Rica, learning Spanish, just living

794
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:51.880
<v Speaker 2>as a childhood in Costa Rica. On moving back to Japan,

795
00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:57.199
<v Speaker 2>this was you know, maybe the I guess the the

796
00:51:57.239 --> 00:52:01.559
<v Speaker 2>seventies or eighties. When he moved back, he you know,

797
00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:03.719
<v Speaker 2>he had to learn how to be Japanese. Even though

798
00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:07.239
<v Speaker 2>his parents are Japanese. He's fully blooded Japanese, he's a citizen,

799
00:52:08.079 --> 00:52:12.079
<v Speaker 2>but he didn't have that early upbringing in the culture.

800
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:15.199
<v Speaker 2>So he said he was teased. He wasn't treated like

801
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:18.239
<v Speaker 2>he was fully Japanese. He was treated like he was

802
00:52:18.280 --> 00:52:22.559
<v Speaker 2>a foreigner. And that was only because of his cultural upbringing.

803
00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:27.159
<v Speaker 2>But if you have a full like let's say two

804
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Canadians moved to Japan and have a child that's born

805
00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:35.599
<v Speaker 2>here and there, they become citizens and the child is

806
00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:39.519
<v Speaker 2>born a citizen, but they're white, you know, white Canadian,

807
00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:44.480
<v Speaker 2>They'll still won't be seen as fully Japanese. Even if

808
00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:47.320
<v Speaker 2>they speak the language, they grow up culturally Japanese, they

809
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:51.840
<v Speaker 2>have the name, the passport, everything, they'll they'll get along

810
00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:55.960
<v Speaker 2>fine in society, but as society, they won't be viewed

811
00:52:56.000 --> 00:52:57.719
<v Speaker 2>as Japanese.

812
00:52:58.039 --> 00:52:59.559
<v Speaker 1>So that that's kind of how it's viewed here.

813
00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:03.719
<v Speaker 3>Well, it's an interesting example. Obviously there was a lot

814
00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:08.199
<v Speaker 3>of emigration from Japan in the sixties and seventies due

815
00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:12.440
<v Speaker 3>to economic factors I'm not entirely sure of, but a

816
00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:18.159
<v Speaker 3>fairly significant figure in the world of weirdly professional wrestling,

817
00:53:18.440 --> 00:53:22.760
<v Speaker 3>martial arts and also politics, Antonio Anok. Sort of an

818
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:26.480
<v Speaker 3>interesting character, but he had a very similar story. You

819
00:53:26.519 --> 00:53:28.800
<v Speaker 3>can hear him talk about it, you know, growing up

820
00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:31.440
<v Speaker 3>in Brazil. I think he's full blooded Japanese. I'm not

821
00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:34.920
<v Speaker 3>entirely sure, but described exactly that, you know, coming back

822
00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:38.440
<v Speaker 3>even though he was born to Japanese parents, obviously spoke

823
00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:42.440
<v Speaker 3>it fluently. He was an outsider. An interesting thing, especially

824
00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:45.239
<v Speaker 3>from the Western perspective, right, that idea that you know,

825
00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:48.320
<v Speaker 3>I can become Japanese by sort of checking off the box.

826
00:53:48.679 --> 00:53:51.039
<v Speaker 3>You know, you see this sort of exporting of that

827
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:54.320
<v Speaker 3>idea of a propositional nation, you know, to a country

828
00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:57.440
<v Speaker 3>where it does not apply. An interesting bit of I

829
00:53:57.440 --> 00:53:59.119
<v Speaker 3>guess we could, you know, if we adopt a leftist

830
00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:00.760
<v Speaker 3>framework cultural shitism there.

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<v Speaker 1>But lun start.

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<v Speaker 3>This has been absolutely fascinating. I really appreciate your expertise

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<v Speaker 3>on this topic. Is there anything else that you think

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<v Speaker 3>a predominantly American audience should understand about Japan? I guess

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<v Speaker 3>as it relates to kind of immigration in the like.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I mentioned like the trends, it seems to be

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<v Speaker 2>that Japan wants to import a lot more you know,

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00:54:26.599 --> 00:54:32.360
<v Speaker 2>foreigners for various reasons. But what the actual government policy

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<v Speaker 2>is showing though, is they're increasing the cost of visa

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<v Speaker 2>applications for everybody, whether you're a new applicant or you've

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<v Speaker 2>been here.

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<v Speaker 1>For a while.

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<v Speaker 2>The cost for permanent residency is also being increased. Roughly

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<v Speaker 2>right now, just the application is about eighty US dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's going to shoot up to maybe close to

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand dollars just for the application. So and they're

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<v Speaker 2>also adding language requirements to some of the visas. So

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<v Speaker 2>there is a lot of these policies aren't going to

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<v Speaker 2>take effect until maybe next year, next spring, but in

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<v Speaker 2>that sense, they are making it a bit more difficult

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<v Speaker 2>for people to immigrate over here, just you know, setting

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<v Speaker 2>both language requirements and monetary requirements to it. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, guys, I guess we'll see how how the

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<v Speaker 2>trend goes, because it could be excluding you know, Westerners

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<v Speaker 2>or Europeans or you know, people like that from coming in.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's also talk of programs of still bringing in

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<v Speaker 2>cheaper labor for farms and factories and whatnot. So we'll

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<v Speaker 2>see how the demographic trends over the next couple of

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<v Speaker 2>years too.

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<v Speaker 3>So one last question, and I should have asked this earlier,

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<v Speaker 3>but one of the other things you've seen, and honestly

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of this came from that kind of cross

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<v Speaker 3>pollination in social media, was videos of Western tourists of

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<v Speaker 3>a certain background behaving very very poorly in Japan, and

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<v Speaker 3>seemingly travel to Japan has exploded. It's gone from being

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<v Speaker 3>in my life something that very few people would have experienced,

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<v Speaker 3>primarily through business, to now, you know, every millennial with

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<v Speaker 3>shitty pokemon tattoos has gone to Tokyo driven the Mario

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<v Speaker 3>karts around, you know, done all of the kind of

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<v Speaker 3>touristy things, and so it seems as if, at least

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<v Speaker 3>again from a limited sample size, as that has become

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<v Speaker 3>more popular, the standards of people going to Japan have

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<v Speaker 3>dropped pretty precipitously, and so again it's on social media

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<v Speaker 3>bad behaviors amplified. Has there been a change in tourism

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<v Speaker 3>both in the number and kind of the reaction to

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<v Speaker 3>who was showing.

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<v Speaker 2>Up very much so, especially when they opened the borders

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<v Speaker 2>after after COVID That coupled with the end being really

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<v Speaker 2>weak compared to the dollar, it's a lot cheaper here

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<v Speaker 2>for visitors. So there's even a saying that Japan's become

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<v Speaker 2>the new Thailand pretty much. I wouldn't go as far

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<v Speaker 2>as to say that it's still I would say Thailand's

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<v Speaker 2>still probably cheaper to visit, but Japan is a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more affordable and because of that, there's a lot there's

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<v Speaker 2>a significant increase in tourism. I see it in Tokyo especially,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, commuting on the trains or just going about

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<v Speaker 2>your your day to day, you'll just encounter groups of

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<v Speaker 2>tourists with large suitcases, sometimes blocking pathways, they don't know

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<v Speaker 2>local etiquettes, where to stand on escalators, little things like

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<v Speaker 2>that that you chalk up as okay, if it's they're tourists,

891
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<v Speaker 2>they don't know any better, it's it's can't be helped, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But the sheer number of tourists that have come here,

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<v Speaker 2>it's causing a bit of issue. And yeah, there's people

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<v Speaker 2>complaining Japanese and residents, you know, like myself that just

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<v Speaker 2>the over tourism is a bit of an issue just

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<v Speaker 2>because it causes disruptions and daily routines for the most part.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, man, this has been great. I really appreciate your

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<v Speaker 3>expertise on this topic, and I think, like a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of westernerds, we certainly envy the Japanese certain things or

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<v Speaker 3>having a society that works. And also even before this

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<v Speaker 3>kind of you know, cross cultural exchange on the Internet,

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<v Speaker 3>I really wanted nothing but the best for the Japanese.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, once you have a few thousand Japanese

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<v Speaker 3>mutuals on Twitter, feel it even more like I have

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<v Speaker 3>no idea who this is, but you know, we've've got

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<v Speaker 3>a lot in common, deceivingly, and so I wish them

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<v Speaker 3>the best but where can people find you?

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<v Speaker 1>Man?

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<v Speaker 3>I know you have an X account which will be linked.

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<v Speaker 3>Is there anything else?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I mean I'm mostly on X.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really use too much social media, and my

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<v Speaker 2>ex is mostly just ship posting at this point. But

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<v Speaker 2>I do like to, you know, get engaged in comments sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do have a YouTube channel under my real name.

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<v Speaker 2>You can post in the link to that, which is fine.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't updated it in a bit, but I used

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<v Speaker 2>to actually host a podcast of my own.

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<v Speaker 1>I still have the episodes up.

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<v Speaker 2>I basically we're just interviewing other ex pats, letting them

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<v Speaker 2>tell their stories. There is a few bonus episodes not

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<v Speaker 2>related to that topic in there, but I'll let people

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<v Speaker 2>find that in the link.

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<v Speaker 3>So well, great, those will be down in the description.

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<v Speaker 3>Lone Star, It's been a great time, and everyone at home,

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<v Speaker 3>keep your head up. Well, I can't last forever. Good night,

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<v Speaker 3>but

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<v Speaker 2>Mhm
