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<v Speaker 1>Big weekend of college football ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>Massive weekend of college football ahead, both locally and nationally.

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<v Speaker 2>Some great games on the schedule, Utah Heads and still

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<v Speaker 2>Water see Oklahoma State on Saturday afternoon. And then it's

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<v Speaker 2>BYU's turn to welcome in k State. Our next guests

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<v Speaker 2>joins us a couple of times a year, if we're lucky,

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<v Speaker 2>if the schedules line up. The offensive coordinator of the

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<v Speaker 2>BYU Cougars, Aaron Roderick, on a Thursday afternoon, A Rod,

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<v Speaker 2>how you doing, buddy?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing well. Hey. The intro song, that's a good

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<v Speaker 3>touch like it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's your gig.

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<v Speaker 2>That's your song, because I remember, I think the first

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<v Speaker 2>time I had John, like five years ago or something,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, give me the band, you said, drive by.

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<v Speaker 1>So every time we have you on, that's your bed.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it. Nice job.

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<v Speaker 1>You've seen them lately?

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<v Speaker 3>I have? Yeah, yeah, some the summer.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you see the show up here? Because I went

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<v Speaker 2>to the show up here in Salt Lake. You were

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<v Speaker 2>at that show, okay?

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<v Speaker 1>I was ye, very nice, good time, very nice.

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<v Speaker 3>Ye.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we're not here to talk music, a Rod. We're

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<v Speaker 2>here to talk football. And you guys are three and

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<v Speaker 2>oh So here's where I want to start. You were

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<v Speaker 2>three and oh a year ago. What gives you confidence

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<v Speaker 2>that this three and ol is different than the last

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<v Speaker 2>year's three and oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Just we have a more experienced team, a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>guys that went through some tough, tough times last year,

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<v Speaker 3>and just you know, I think we're more prepared to

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<v Speaker 3>deal with what's ahead of us time. I mean, we've

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<v Speaker 3>got a tough road ahead for sure. No one's saying

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<v Speaker 3>it's not tough, But I think we're just built at

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<v Speaker 3>we have a little more depth and we just we

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<v Speaker 3>just what we went through last year. I think there's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of lessons you could learn from that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you have a tough road ahead. We'll get to

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<v Speaker 1>that in the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>But before we do, of course, there was a battle

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<v Speaker 2>for the quarterback starting job that was run by one

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<v Speaker 2>by Jake Rhetz laugh. How close was that leading up

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<v Speaker 2>to the start of the year and what ultimately gave

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<v Speaker 2>Jake the nod over Behannon.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean Gary I thought did a good job

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<v Speaker 3>in camp. The longer camp went, Gary just kept getting

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<v Speaker 3>better and better. He you know, he got the chance

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<v Speaker 3>to play at Wyoming last week and that was the

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<v Speaker 3>first snaps he'd had, and I think October tenth, if

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<v Speaker 3>I'm correct, it was October of twenty twenty two is

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<v Speaker 3>the last time he played in the game, and so

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<v Speaker 3>his injury was really serious, and he's just since he

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<v Speaker 3>got here, he's just slowly been getting a little more

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<v Speaker 3>healthy and a little more healthy. And then so towards

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<v Speaker 3>the end of camp he was starting to throw the

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<v Speaker 3>ball better and starting to look like he could actually

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<v Speaker 3>challenge the start. But by then Jake had pretty much

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<v Speaker 3>won the job and established himself. But Gary's getting better

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<v Speaker 3>every day, and we have a lot of confidence in

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<v Speaker 3>him and no fear at all to play him if

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<v Speaker 3>we need to.

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<v Speaker 2>So, as I've heard you talk about, as I've heard

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<v Speaker 2>Colotte talk about, we talked about on this show. I

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<v Speaker 2>think who covers BYU football talks about it. We saw

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<v Speaker 2>four starts from Jake last year. We've seen three this year.

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<v Speaker 2>There are certainly dynamite moments that indicate he's got what

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<v Speaker 2>it takes for you, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>To do what you want to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Then there are moments where they're just mistakes that can't happen.

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<v Speaker 2>As you said yourself a week ago, there were I

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<v Speaker 2>think four fumbles a year ago, and then Wyoming rolls around,

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<v Speaker 2>he throws the pick and we're going here we go again,

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<v Speaker 2>and ultimately he settles in.

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<v Speaker 1>But how do you coach that?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously you don't want turnovers, No coach loves turnovers,

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<v Speaker 2>But how do you coach that?

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<v Speaker 1>How does he get better at that?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we're trying to eliminate the the egregious ones. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>there was a couple of mistakes in the SMU game

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<v Speaker 3>that were, you know, sort of gave us all PTSD

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<v Speaker 3>from a year ago. The interception in the Wyoming game.

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<v Speaker 3>We were throwing a one on one matchup to one

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<v Speaker 3>of our best players against one of their players that

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<v Speaker 3>we wanted to attack. He under threw the ball just

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit. I thought Cody sort of could have

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<v Speaker 3>reacted a little better and at least broken it up,

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<v Speaker 3>like you can live with one of those. They intercepted

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<v Speaker 3>the ball and they have the ball in the one

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<v Speaker 3>yard line. Our defense goes three and out and we

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<v Speaker 3>get the ball four plays later and plus territory again

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<v Speaker 3>and then we score a touchdown. So there's not all

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<v Speaker 3>turnovers are exactly the same. But Jake is sort of

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<v Speaker 3>he reminds me a lot of like what Zach Wilson

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<v Speaker 3>went through when he was a young player, and he

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<v Speaker 3>had moments as like just he was brilliant and you

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<v Speaker 3>could just see the talent and the arm talent, and

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<v Speaker 3>then there were times where he just had to grow,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. And I think Jake started seven games and

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<v Speaker 3>I think we're going through that process with him, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's getting better every game.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's move over to the running back room.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get an update here. Hinkley or Patti LJ. Martin

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<v Speaker 2>two very capable backs. I understand they're banged up. So

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<v Speaker 2>I've said this to you before. If I had a

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<v Speaker 2>running back named Miles Davis, he'd play every snap for

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<v Speaker 2>me just based off his name.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm just I'm a radio guy. I'm not a coach.

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<v Speaker 2>So talk about how you're handling the help situation and

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<v Speaker 2>the depth you have in that running back room.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we had Miles has stepped up and played well.

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<v Speaker 3>We had enich Maawaheene stepped up and played well against SMU,

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<v Speaker 3>and then last week we had so Anymore and Polkai

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<v Speaker 3>Huwanga howned a step up and both of those guys

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<v Speaker 3>played well. So I have confidence in those guys. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not going to be a one guy gets thirty carries

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<v Speaker 3>kind of game. We're going to play those guys to

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<v Speaker 3>their strengths and we'll use them as we see fit.

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<v Speaker 3>But I have confidence in all of them, and Harvey's

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<v Speaker 3>done a great job getting those guys ready to play.

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<v Speaker 1>So up this, up this way, Rod.

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<v Speaker 2>As you know, Utah has a real weapon in Bran Keithy,

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<v Speaker 2>who they move around in a bunch of different ways.

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<v Speaker 2>And it feels like you're using Chase. And we caught

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<v Speaker 2>up with Chase at Big twelve media days in Vegas,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, a great kid, really good interviewer, obviously

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<v Speaker 2>a veteran presidence for you guys. Seems like you're utilizing

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<v Speaker 2>him in a much more nuanced way than you did

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<v Speaker 2>a year ago. Is that fair to say? And what

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<v Speaker 2>can you say about the way he started the year?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we're using him. He's kind of playing a real

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<v Speaker 3>similar role to what Puka played for us a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of years ago. Or Puka lined up everywhere, did everything.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, I'm not saying Chase is the same guy,

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<v Speaker 3>but he is a very complete player and we can

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<v Speaker 3>do a lot of different things with him. So yes,

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<v Speaker 3>and he's a veteran now, so there's really no limits

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<v Speaker 3>on where he can line up what he can do.

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<v Speaker 3>And so yeah, that's I'm glad you noticed that because

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<v Speaker 3>that is true.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, he's and I wanted to follow up

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<v Speaker 2>with this. It appears that he has evolved as a

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<v Speaker 2>playmaker that can do more things than he just did

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<v Speaker 2>a year or two ago. And these are young people,

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<v Speaker 2>of course they're going to evolve and improve. But what

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<v Speaker 2>specifically did you see leading up to the season, whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's camp or whatever, it is that has motivated you

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<v Speaker 2>to use him in so many different nuanced ways.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, first of all, he's he's long, he's six four,

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<v Speaker 3>and Chase can run. He's not just a possession guy.

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<v Speaker 3>He can he can get down the field, take the

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<v Speaker 3>top off the defense. He's really good runner with the

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<v Speaker 3>ball in his hands. He breaks tackles, he makes people miss.

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<v Speaker 3>So we get him the ball in the jet sweep game,

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<v Speaker 3>to get him the ball in the open field where

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<v Speaker 3>he can run with it. And he's just yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 3>just improved overall. And then he's he's one of the

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<v Speaker 3>best I've ever coached at making the catch when it's

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<v Speaker 3>a contested catch. I mean, he doesn't have to be

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<v Speaker 3>open to make the play, and so there's just a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of different things we can do with him, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think his confidence is just growing every week.

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking about this when I was watching the

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<v Speaker 1>Wyoming game.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Chase Keanu, Darius Lassiter, Cody Epps, and I

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<v Speaker 2>could keep going. You guys have a ton of different weapons,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, whether it's tight ends, wideouts, or what have you.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you really have a bunch of different guys

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<v Speaker 2>that have been in the program for a while. Some

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<v Speaker 2>new guys who are in the program for the first

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<v Speaker 2>time with the transfer win own stuff. But it does

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<v Speaker 2>feel like whether it's Jake or whether it's Gary, there

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<v Speaker 2>are quite a few options. When a room is that crowded,

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<v Speaker 2>is it iron sharp and iron? Iron sharpens iron. You

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<v Speaker 2>got to compete for the reps. I mean, as the

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<v Speaker 2>offensive coordinator, how do you need so many mouths?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's not always easy. I mean, those guys all

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<v Speaker 3>want the ball and they all want to play. That's

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<v Speaker 3>part of Fessi's job and Kevin Gilbride's job to use

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<v Speaker 3>those guys as they see fit and try to, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's part of being a team though, too, is

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<v Speaker 3>understanding that if if everybody's a threat and everybody's part

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<v Speaker 3>of the offense, then we're harder to defend as a team.

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<v Speaker 3>And I do believe we're a lot more skilled than

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<v Speaker 3>maybe a lot of people think. We have good skilled

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<v Speaker 3>good for several years now. I think Sesis does a

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<v Speaker 3>great job with those guys, and we've recruited well there,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's nice to have those guys. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>I think we're executing much better now than we were

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<v Speaker 3>a year ago, and so hopefully we can keep growing

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<v Speaker 3>and and you know, execute on Saturday night because we're

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<v Speaker 3>going against a really good team this Saturday what.

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<v Speaker 2>We had you on a year ago. Also, Kalani as

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<v Speaker 2>well hopped on the show. We talked about what appeared

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<v Speaker 2>to be I guess the way I'll say it generally

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<v Speaker 2>is some inconsistency with the offensive line right a year ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like that's been better a rod through.

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<v Speaker 3>Three games, it's been better, and it's it's it's a

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<v Speaker 3>work in progress. You're right, it was that was a

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<v Speaker 3>It was a problem a year ago, and we did

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<v Speaker 3>not execute as a team well enough last year, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's especially as an off of the line. So far,

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<v Speaker 3>through three games, our run game has shown improvement, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's nowhere near where we want to get to, but

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<v Speaker 3>we're we've been improving, our pass protection has been solid,

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<v Speaker 3>and that group is playing much better than a year ago.

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<v Speaker 3>We still have a lot of long way to go,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm I'm proud of those guys for how they've

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<v Speaker 2>I know that Wyoming was your most recent opponent, but

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<v Speaker 2>all week on this show, and I know you're a

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<v Speaker 2>think people fully understand how big that win was. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so if you weren't able to get SMU, you were

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<v Speaker 2>wins to go bully, not saying you can't do that,

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<v Speaker 2>but how big was that?

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<v Speaker 1>How big was that win?

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<v Speaker 2>What was to feel like in the locker room after

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<v Speaker 3>It was huge And we were twelve point underdogs or

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<v Speaker 3>eleven point under dog on the road and SMU has dudes, Man,

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<v Speaker 3>those that's that team. That team can play with anybody

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<v Speaker 3>in our conference. I've been through this conference now for

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<v Speaker 3>a year. That's a good football team and they're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>they're gonna win some games this year in the ACC,

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<v Speaker 3>and especially on defense, they have two guys that are

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<v Speaker 3>were very good. We didn't play great on offense, but

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<v Speaker 3>it was a great win to get because we answer.

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<v Speaker 3>We kept answering the bell and finding ways to get

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<v Speaker 3>the ball in the end zone while they kept kicking

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<v Speaker 3>field goals. They kicked five field goals. We found a

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<v Speaker 3>and then got a game winning field goal after a

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<v Speaker 3>leave the field thinking feeling like, oh, gosh, we should

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<v Speaker 3>have played better. Sometimes those kind of wins are really

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<v Speaker 3>helpful later in the season when you're in these type

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was Goutti man, I really thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was Goutti. I was impressed that you guys came back

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<v Speaker 2>with that when, to your point, you were a double

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<v Speaker 2>all right, this is a good team. They bullied Arizona

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<v Speaker 2>So k State rolls into Provo Saturday night. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>late one. It's gonna be eight thirty. That's on ESPN.

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<v Speaker 2>As you study tape on Kansas State, what stands out

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<v Speaker 2>most just how big is this task in front of

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's huge. Case State is a team that they're

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<v Speaker 3>not going to beat themselves. They're gonna they don't make mistakes,

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<v Speaker 3>they do everything right. They are squared away in all

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<v Speaker 3>three phases. You know, when when people watch us on film,

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<v Speaker 3>our opponents watch us on film, I hope that they

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<v Speaker 3>feel the same way about us that I feel when

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<v Speaker 3>I watch Kansas State play like they they do everything right.

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<v Speaker 3>They play really hard, the people are in the right gap,

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<v Speaker 3>they're covering the right guy, they're using the right technique

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<v Speaker 3>on special teams, the same thing on offense, same thing.

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<v Speaker 3>And so to win a game like this, you have

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<v Speaker 3>to do everything right and you can't. You can't just

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<v Speaker 3>give them anything. You know by it's going to it's

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<v Speaker 3>gonna be a game that I think is just going

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<v Speaker 3>to come down to who makes the fewest mistakes. And

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<v Speaker 3>they're a very tough team and I'm looking forward to

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<v Speaker 3>the challenge, but I also understand what we're up against.

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<v Speaker 3>They're very good, goodball club.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously, you are hyper focused on your game and I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't expect anything other than that. But you do have

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<v Speaker 2>experience going to Stillwater and playing at Okay State, which

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<v Speaker 2>is what Utah does Saturday afternoon. What can you tell

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<v Speaker 2>us about that experience? What are youth fans in for,

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<v Speaker 2>what is the youth football team in for?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, just I would say it's similar to almost all

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<v Speaker 3>the road games in the Big Twelve. It was it

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<v Speaker 3>was a different experience, much different than the Pac Twelve

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<v Speaker 3>you're you know, PAC twelve, everything was like a one

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<v Speaker 3>hour flight. You're mostly going to destinations that are pretty

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<v Speaker 3>nice and you're excited to be there, and short drive

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<v Speaker 3>on game day to a stadium that may or may

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<v Speaker 3>not be very intimidating. In the Big Twelve, there's you know,

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<v Speaker 3>every every flights two three hours. You're staying in some

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<v Speaker 3>sort of small town motel type thing that's usually like

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<v Speaker 3>an hour drive to the game on game day, and

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<v Speaker 3>then you get there and there's tailgaters for miles and

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<v Speaker 3>just what a lot of the road games the Big

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<v Speaker 3>Twelve are like that, and they're they're tough road troops.

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<v Speaker 3>Now the utes, shoot, the Utes are awesome and they'll

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<v Speaker 3>be ready for they're they're they had a good team

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<v Speaker 3>and they're not gonna be caught off guard by any

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<v Speaker 3>of that. But that is it is a different experience

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<v Speaker 3>going on the road in the Big Twelve than the

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<v Speaker 3>Pac twelve as far as like just how the travel goes,

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<v Speaker 3>your food, your your your day, your game day operation

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<v Speaker 3>of an adjustment there.

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<v Speaker 2>Since we're in the space with the Utes, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>familiar with this coaching staff, you're familiar with this programs,

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<v Speaker 2>and you and I haven't spoken in this space for

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<v Speaker 2>about a year or so. I wonder what your reaction

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<v Speaker 2>was when you found out that you were once again

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<v Speaker 2>going to be conference peers with with Utah.

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<v Speaker 1>When the news came down, Yeah, it's cool.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm excited about it. I think adding another

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we're we're in a weird, weird world of

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<v Speaker 3>constant change. You never know what's gonna happen from year

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<v Speaker 3>to year right now, but I think that our league

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<v Speaker 3>is very good this year. And you know, there's just

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<v Speaker 3>right now, I'm just folksing on Kansas State, but I

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<v Speaker 3>definitely think the more good teams the.

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<v Speaker 1>Better, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>And before I say you loose, I'm gonna ask you

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<v Speaker 2>How have you guys acclimated to this new reality of

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<v Speaker 2>transfer portal of nil. I mean, Kevin Young and his

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<v Speaker 2>staff are getting a lot of money, getting a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of support, and obviously a lot of a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>that's coming from Ryan. Ryan Smith's basketball guy, and I

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm a fan of yours. I'm a fan

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<v Speaker 2>of Kilanne. I want you guys to get the resources

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<v Speaker 2>you need to compete and keep up with the Joneses

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<v Speaker 2>and college football. What's it been like down in Provo

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<v Speaker 2>with the ever changing landscape of college football? How have

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<v Speaker 2>you guys adjusted and adapted so far?

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like we're very competitive with that stuff. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>our players are doing very well. And one thing that

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<v Speaker 3>when our players are you know, when there's something whether

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<v Speaker 3>when there's something that's promised or contracted by it. And

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not involved in this stuff, I know that it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's very important here that the players to the university,

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<v Speaker 3>that they get what they were told they were going

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<v Speaker 3>to get. And I know that that's not always the case.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of places in college football. You hear these

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<v Speaker 3>astronomical numbers about things and then again gets there and

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<v Speaker 3>he doesn't play a lot as well as they had hoped,

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<v Speaker 3>and all of a sudden that just comes to an end,

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<v Speaker 3>and then you've heard those stories that some of these

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<v Speaker 3>some of these places, and but I think we're I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know all the details of all that, but I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like we're very competitive. I feel like if we

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<v Speaker 3>go after a big time recruit, we can get in

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<v Speaker 3>the game with just about anybody. We're not we're not

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<v Speaker 3>a place that's ever going to be like probably the

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<v Speaker 3>best offer, but we're we're competitive and we're in the mix.

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<v Speaker 3>And then we have to focus on our other competitive

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<v Speaker 3>advantages or other reasons for why a guy would want

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<v Speaker 2>You golf in it all? You swinging a golf club

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<v Speaker 2>these days? Or is it all coaching? All head down?

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<v Speaker 3>No elball?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, all right, Well I just was because Klan

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<v Speaker 3>He is getting better. Yeah, he's improved, all right man? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>well look I appreciate the one is the best golf

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<v Speaker 2>Ah okay, all right, yeah, well look man, you just

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<v Speaker 2>want to make sure you're balancing out life a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>But then I realize you're a coach and you guys

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<v Speaker 2>do not know how to do that. So I appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>your time, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>I try to get in a run, you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>try to run every day. That's my that's my little

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<v Speaker 1>All right, man, Well look well, well we'll set you loose.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we're always pulling for you. For you up here.

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<v Speaker 1>Good luck against k State and continued success.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, great talking, thank you, all right, Aaron.

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<v Speaker 1>Rodgers, offensive coordinator for BYU.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a big weekend college football, both in state and nationally.

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<v Speaker 2>First it's Utah Okay State and Stillwater. Love this when

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<v Speaker 2>you can actually watch both games because Utah Okay State

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<v Speaker 2>two o'clock, then BYUK State eight thirty. Man, that is

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<v Speaker 2>a late late tip, late late kick for folks driving

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<v Speaker 2>down to Provo. If you're coming from Salt Laker up north,

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<v Speaker 1>So best of luck with that, but of course, always

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<v Speaker 1>pulling for our.

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<v Speaker 2>Guy a rod Klonne. Those guys down in Provo, great dudes,

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully they can pull it off. All right, more coming

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<v Speaker 2>on ESPN seven hundred