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<v Speaker 1>Kindness goes a long way in the world today, a

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<v Speaker 1>simple smile or a helping hand to someone in need

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<v Speaker 1>can make all the difference. However, many see kindness as

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<v Speaker 1>a weakness and are ready to take full advantage of

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<v Speaker 1>those that they can. In today's case, a teenage girl

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<v Speaker 1>who's just trying to be kind by being a model

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<v Speaker 1>for a friend's photography portfolio would instead become a victim,

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<v Speaker 1>and the so called friend photographed her last moments before death.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the story of seventeen year old Georgia Williams.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked

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<v Speaker 2>and Grim, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast and material intended for a mature audience listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting on every single one of Nichole's nerves this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>She is glared at me several times already, and we've

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<v Speaker 1>barely gotten out of bed. You don't say I do

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<v Speaker 1>say my apologies, my apologies.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we just have different energy levels this morning, let's

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<v Speaker 2>put it at that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we definitely do. And I probably don't need this

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<v Speaker 1>coffee that I'm currently drinking, but I'm drinking it and

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<v Speaker 1>it's good. It's hitting right and it's helping even more.

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<v Speaker 1>Were probably making.

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<v Speaker 2>It worse and you're probably making it worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one of the two. It's helping me, it's making

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<v Speaker 1>it worse for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness. So this case, you shared a teen

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<v Speaker 2>tiny bit about it with me. I did like ding, dang,

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<v Speaker 2>we're doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>A we're doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna shock the shit out of me. I know it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we are having a couple doozies of a case

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<v Speaker 1>leading up to Halloween week here because we are only

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<v Speaker 1>a few days out. So when we have our Friday

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<v Speaker 1>episode that kicks off seven straight days, which is Halloween

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<v Speaker 1>Week of Weakening, Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, it's this Friday already.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Wow, So Halloween's almost here, pasing just around the corner.

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<v Speaker 1>We got lots to plan out and well we've got

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<v Speaker 1>all planned it. We've got lots to do, let's put

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<v Speaker 1>it that way. So it's gonna be good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's exciting. I feel like it kind of creeped

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<v Speaker 2>up on us this year.

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<v Speaker 1>It really has. And we've got lots of stuff of

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<v Speaker 1>course over for Patreon as well. Which speaking of Patreon,

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<v Speaker 1>we we got to thank our patrons who signed up

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<v Speaker 1>this week so thank you to Rochelle, Tony Shadele, I

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<v Speaker 1>think is how you say your last name, Lune's, Michelle Freeman,

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<v Speaker 1>Laura Goosh and Body the Miniature Azzy love that they

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<v Speaker 1>have their dog highlighted there, Kelly Landon, Daniel mcguinnis, and

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<v Speaker 1>Ray c. So thank you very much for signing up

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<v Speaker 1>on Patreon. You can find the link in the description

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<v Speaker 1>if you're interested. Currently, we've been doing a thirty one

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<v Speaker 1>days of Halloween movie countdown, and since we are now

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<v Speaker 1>officially getting close to Halloween itself, we're starting to make

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<v Speaker 1>a shift from like the horror and thriller into like

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<v Speaker 1>Halloween specific movies. So but it's been good. This whole

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<v Speaker 1>list has been fun to put together.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, super fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, super fun, super fun. It's not super funny, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's super fun. That didn't really work. I tried.

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<v Speaker 2>You did for effort. I guess right, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. Effort is what matters the most. Are you

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<v Speaker 1>excited for Halloween Week? Are you? What's what are you

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<v Speaker 1>most excited for? Actually? No, I'm thinking about it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a doozy of a question.

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<v Speaker 1>I know what's been talked about a few times with

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<v Speaker 1>some messages on Patreon. People love that we do the

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<v Speaker 1>three urban Legends, and I've been tentative over if I

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<v Speaker 1>can pull it off year after year, because hey, there's

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<v Speaker 1>only so many urban legends that you can actually find

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<v Speaker 1>facts on and improve. So with these urban legends, we

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<v Speaker 1>usually do like two false ones and a true one

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<v Speaker 1>and Nicole's got a guess which is true and false

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<v Speaker 1>or two false one true, And so I have found

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<v Speaker 1>sufficient cases legends if you will to actually do it

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<v Speaker 1>again this year, and it is happening, there you.

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<v Speaker 2>Go because last year like this might be the last year.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's I mean, this might be the last year now.

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly I think that's what it's going to be,

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<v Speaker 1>is every single year it might be the last year,

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<v Speaker 1>because I take the entire year to scour and dive

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<v Speaker 1>and try and find these good enough cases to actually

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<v Speaker 1>do it, to try and fool you. Because when you

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<v Speaker 1>actually look up urban legends, there's probably the same twenty cases,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe even twenty to thirty cases or stories that just

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<v Speaker 1>repeat from article to article. They're all the freaking scene.

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean, I can go on like Reddit, but

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<v Speaker 1>then it's just you know, well, my uncle once told

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<v Speaker 1>me that on his farm this happened. Okay, Well there's

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<v Speaker 1>no substantial, substantial evidence or anything, so it's just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't report on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, to answer your question, you're like chatty today.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I'm excited for Halloween week and my energy level

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<v Speaker 1>is high. I don't having any coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>Am I gonna get to answer this question or not?

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway? Sorry, No, it's only fine, but you are.

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<v Speaker 2>We are definitely different energy levels today. I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>the best way to put it. But I would have

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<v Speaker 2>to say probably putting out our little photo shoot because

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<v Speaker 2>you're holding those hostage from me. I can't make my

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<v Speaker 2>profile picture one of those photos you release them, So no.

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<v Speaker 1>On Friday, we're gonna put those out.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also think they're just so cute, so I

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<v Speaker 2>want to share those. I think I like, yeah this,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to say that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what you're gonna say. You're going to say either

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<v Speaker 1>cute and you like them?

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<v Speaker 2>Well that my favorite. What I'm most excited about is.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh see, I see what you're saying. Gotcha. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>fair enough, that's a good thing to be excited about. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm personally excited for the return of jacko.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I did forget about Jacko?

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<v Speaker 1>Would you forget about Jacko?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I don't know. Okay, yeah, that's pretty damp.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, gosh, the whole damn week is exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>It pretty much is the best. Let's not not lie here,

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<v Speaker 1>like Christmas can take a hike, just kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>I keep seeing so many means where it's like staying

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<v Speaker 2>your loan because Christmas and Halloween now it's like almost competing,

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<v Speaker 2>like in stores and like shelfs and stuff, right, which

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<v Speaker 2>I just think is so odd.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think I think stores should wait for a

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<v Speaker 1>holiday to end before putting the uppers up one hundred percent,

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<v Speaker 1>Like what's the point.

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<v Speaker 2>It would make everyone's life easier because then they don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to find all this room too and stuff, right Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And it would make like getting excited for the holiday

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<v Speaker 1>much better because it's like, oh, we're going to go

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<v Speaker 1>shop for Halloween candy, Halloween decorations because you know what

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<v Speaker 1>it's coming up in a couple of weeks. And then

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<v Speaker 1>you go and it's like, oh, well, we're walking through

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas stuff while we're in the Halloween mood. So then

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<v Speaker 1>when you go to actually go to the store for

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<v Speaker 1>looking for Christmas things. You've already seen half of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's already worn off. You weren't excited, like you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean. Yeah, when you go for Christmas things,

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<v Speaker 1>that's when the Christmas thing should be there, not when

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<v Speaker 1>you go for Halloween things.

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<v Speaker 2>No, totally, But I digress. Okay, let's do this.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, this is a bit of a long intro. Sorry

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<v Speaker 1>for that one, guys, We got a little bit. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit chatty today. But let's dive into this case.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is the case, the story of Georgia Williams.

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<v Speaker 1>So we start in a peaceful countryside in Shropshire, England. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So would be here that this deep, painful mark that

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<v Speaker 1>this case would be would actually make shatter the close

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<v Speaker 1>knit community because it's it was a shocking one when

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<v Speaker 1>it occurred, to say the least. So this story starts

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<v Speaker 1>with the seventeen year old woman by the name of

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia Williams, who was full of life. Georgia was known

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<v Speaker 1>for her lively spirit and hope for the future, but

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<v Speaker 1>hidden underneath her bright personality were challenges that would ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>take her down this dark path that we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>go go on. Today.

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<v Speaker 2>So.

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia was born in September of September seventeenth, nineteen ninety five,

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<v Speaker 1>in Telford, Shropshire, which is a decent sized city approximately

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<v Speaker 1>with the population of one hundred and fifty thousand people.

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia grew up in a loving home with her parents,

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<v Speaker 1>Lynette and Steve Williams, with her older sister Scarlet along

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<v Speaker 1>with her Her family both provided her and of course

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<v Speaker 1>her sister as well, with a supportive environment growing up

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<v Speaker 1>and from an early age, Georgia adapted from the atmosphere

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<v Speaker 1>in her home and showed a very caring and nature herself.

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<v Speaker 1>She always went out out of her way and helped

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<v Speaker 1>others whenever she could, making sure that people around her

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<v Speaker 1>felt happy and included. It was a generous trait that

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<v Speaker 1>many admired in her. However, it would be the same

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<v Speaker 1>generosity and kindness that would eventually lead to a tragic end.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we get into that, we of course need

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<v Speaker 1>to continue a bit more into who Georgia was in

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<v Speaker 1>her earlier years.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, she sounds lovely so far.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very caring individual. Yeah, she had a very welcoming

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<v Speaker 1>and caring home growing up, and she fed off that

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<v Speaker 1>and it nurtured her into who she was now. It's

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<v Speaker 1>unfortunate to say, but Georgia also did face a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of bullying during her middle school years. Those who are

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<v Speaker 1>kind often do because, as I mentioned the intro people,

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<v Speaker 1>some people can see kindness as a weakness. But her

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<v Speaker 1>transition to high school marked a bit of a positive

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<v Speaker 1>change for her, where she found a good group of

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<v Speaker 1>friends and she began to hang out with them regularly,

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<v Speaker 1>and she even eventually became fairly well liked around the school.

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<v Speaker 1>Her leadership abilities developed and became very clear to her

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<v Speaker 1>and others as well around her even chosen to serve

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<v Speaker 1>as head girl at the school. Now, outside of school,

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<v Speaker 1>she pursued her interests in helping others once again by

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<v Speaker 1>joining the Air Cadets with the goal of one day

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<v Speaker 1>becoming a paramedic in the Royal Air Force. By the

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<v Speaker 1>time she turned seventeen, Georgia was working at a local

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<v Speaker 1>gas station. It was, by no means a glamorous employment

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<v Speaker 1>for Georgia. It was, you know, a way to make

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<v Speaker 1>some pocket money, gain some independence, and of course build

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<v Speaker 1>up her resume as she entered the workforce. But it

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<v Speaker 1>was here at this job that she would meet a

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<v Speaker 1>young man by the name of Jamie Reynolds, a twenty

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<v Speaker 1>two year old coworker who often seemed isolated and withdrawn

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<v Speaker 1>from his coworkers and those around him. Georgia, true to

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<v Speaker 1>her caring nature and who she was as a person,

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<v Speaker 1>began to reach out to him, wanting to make him

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<v Speaker 1>feel included with everyone else. So through her kindness, Jamie

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<v Speaker 1>gradually became more involved with his colleagues on the job,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, making a bit more jokes, joining in conversations,

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<v Speaker 1>completing tasks alongside one another. The kind of situation where

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you have a smile on your face, enjoying

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<v Speaker 1>your work while you're doing the day is going by

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit faster because you're having fun at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time. Kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, she's actually like making a difference in someone's life.

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<v Speaker 1>She is, and Jamie really began to open up and

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<v Speaker 1>punching the clocks. Now. Over time, Jamie began to develop

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of feelings for Georgia, viewing her as

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<v Speaker 1>that one person who truly saw him like he felt

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot of people saw through him or looked

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<v Speaker 1>big thing for Jamie. So despite his demeanor, he he

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So one day Jamie built up the courage to

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<v Speaker 1>you know, yea, But it didn't go as he planned.

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<v Speaker 2>She did not have those same feelings.

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<v Speaker 1>She did not, but I mean, once again, true to

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<v Speaker 1>her good nature, she was very mindful of his feelings

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<v Speaker 1>and she kindly declined as politely as she could. She

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<v Speaker 1>told him that she was she really valued their friendship,

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<v Speaker 1>but it just wasn't interested in taking things any farther right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Jamie seemed to take it rather well. He told her

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<v Speaker 1>he understood and it was all okay. However, that was

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<v Speaker 1>only on the surface. Underneath all the calmness that he

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh man, hey, so he's not taking he's not

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<v Speaker 2>going to take this well, which is terrible, terrible, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because he can't. Just like he has this feeling or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>and like just because he does doesn't mean someone has

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<v Speaker 2>to also have it, right, And she's been so kind

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<v Speaker 2>to him, and then okay, well I'll just keep listening here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, it's you're one hundred percent right. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>she helped him. And now, of course there's the potential

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<v Speaker 1>of the story and how I'm kind of preluding it

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<v Speaker 1>that he's going to do something horrendous. But and if

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<v Speaker 1>that's the case, I mean that's a that's a that's

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<v Speaker 1>a dirty move. Yeah, someone was nice and showed kindness.

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<v Speaker 2>I was pretty cautious because I was like, I'm kind

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<v Speaker 2>of thinking maybe Jamie, Maybe we don't like Jamie. So

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<v Speaker 2>when I was listening to the story, But okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Well let's continue on the story and you can you

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<v Speaker 1>can make the decisions for yourself and we'll tell you

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<v Speaker 1>how this played out. So one day, while they were

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<v Speaker 1>both working together with their shifts at the gas station,

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<v Speaker 1>Jamie opened up to Georgia about his dissatisfaction with life,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, punching the nine to five, going to work

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<v Speaker 1>day in, day out, the rat race sort of situation.

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<v Speaker 1>He talked about wanting to leave the job and chase

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<v Speaker 1>something a little bit more meaningful. He knew exactly how

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia would react when he was saying this. He knew

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<v Speaker 1>how kind hearted she was, and he knew that she

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<v Speaker 1>would encourage him to chase whatever dream it was that

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<v Speaker 1>he had, and that's exactly what she did. Jamie mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>to Georgia that he had an interest in photography, and

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia supported the idea of him becoming a professional photographer

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<v Speaker 1>with the utmost enthusiasm. She's basically like, Yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's great. You should do that. That would be amazing,

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<v Speaker 1>good for you, Like, you have a dream, chase it.

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<v Speaker 2>He's just playing her, I feel like.

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<v Speaker 1>And Jamie was really excited about this, you know. So

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<v Speaker 1>he then asked her if she would help him build

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<v Speaker 1>his portfolio, and he asked her to be his first

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<v Speaker 1>model for a shoot. Now again, Georgia, with her kind

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<v Speaker 1>heart and good nature, was always wanting to help others,

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<v Speaker 2>Agreed, Well, yeah, also kind of like flattering, maybe too right,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, which I mean she probably already knew that

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<v Speaker 1>he kind of like thought she looked really good, because

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<v Speaker 1>because he kind of already opened up being like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>want to go out, So it's probably no surprise to her.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, yeah, of course it is flattering.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Well, she'll maybe get some dope photos and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, exactly right. So the TUDA discussed a few details

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<v Speaker 1>and they arranged a photoshoot for Sunday, May twenty sixth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty thirteen, at Jamie's parents' house. And there was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be a few mutual friends there, you know, a couple

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, just hanging out or whatever. There's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be more than just the two of them there, gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do a photo shoot. It's gonna be great sort of situation. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>as the weekend began to roll around, it's getting nearer

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<v Speaker 1>and nearer, Georgia found herself in a bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>situation as far as scheduling goes. See, her family had

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<v Speaker 1>now planned a barbecue for that very same day, and

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<v Speaker 1>her grandparents, who she hadn't seen in a long time,

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<v Speaker 1>would be attending. Okay, so she was stuck between helping

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<v Speaker 1>a friend chase a dream, or visiting her own family

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<v Speaker 1>for more selfish reasons, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, also like her grandparents. I'm sure want to see her.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh of course, of course, but it is more selfish reasons,

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<v Speaker 1>like I want to see my grandparents. Yeah, right, So

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<v Speaker 1>canceling the shoot was something she considered, but in the end,

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<v Speaker 1>she couldn't bear to let Jamie down. She said that

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<v Speaker 1>she was going to help him, so she was going

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<v Speaker 1>to help them.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, what a good person.

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<v Speaker 1>She'd promised him, So she was going to help him

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<v Speaker 1>chase that dream. So she talked with her family and

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<v Speaker 1>she assured them that she would still attend the barbecue.

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<v Speaker 1>She's deciding to balance them out. She told them that

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<v Speaker 1>she would only be gone for a short time. Since

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<v Speaker 1>Jamie's house was just a five minute drive away, she

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<v Speaker 1>could help out her friend, then pop back over to

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<v Speaker 1>see everyone with plenty of time to spare.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so she's making it work to do both.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, She's making it work to do both. Going to

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<v Speaker 1>help out the friend, keep her word, help them chase

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<v Speaker 1>a dream, come home see your grandparents so they can

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<v Speaker 1>see her, and she can see them and have fun

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<v Speaker 1>with the family and probably enjoy some good barbecue food. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the plan. So when the day came, Jamie and

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia were doing their thing. You know, they're getting ready

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<v Speaker 1>for the date. Jamie's probably getting this camera gear together

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<v Speaker 1>and Georgia was getting ready for being in front of

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<v Speaker 1>the lens. She styled her hair nicely, did her best

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<v Speaker 1>makeup look, and dressed in jeans and a leather jacket.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Now she came out of her room and headed out

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<v Speaker 1>to the front door with her new look. Of course, right,

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<v Speaker 1>her father quickly gave her a compliment, telling her how

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<v Speaker 1>she looked beautiful and reminded him of Sandy from the

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<v Speaker 1>movie Grease.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, yeh, that's so sweet, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>They shared a moment of words of encouragement before she

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<v Speaker 1>walked out the door, never to be seen alive again.

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<v Speaker 2>Gosh kay, but also like so nice that I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>how do you even word this because a lot of times,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in cases like this, you leave and it's

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<v Speaker 2>just like cay see you later, like not but like

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<v Speaker 2>the dad actually like you know, didn't realize that was

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<v Speaker 2>the last time, but took the moment to like share

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<v Speaker 2>a compliment with her, right, which is kind of nice

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<v Speaker 2>it is.

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<v Speaker 1>And honestly, like we've had this discussion a few times

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<v Speaker 1>recently out in public, Like I try and compliment like strangers. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know it just a compliment can make someone's

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<v Speaker 1>day so much brighter and everything right. And in a

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<v Speaker 1>little moment like that, Yeah, they didn't know it was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be the last time they'd ever see each other.

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<v Speaker 1>But because he took that small moment, that moment was

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<v Speaker 1>a good one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, his last like little memory with her. Yeah, oh man,

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<v Speaker 2>my heart.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh so, George's family expected her to return shortly. She

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<v Speaker 1>said she wouldn't be long and was intending to still

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<v Speaker 1>visit the barbecue after all, right, Yeah, But as the

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<v Speaker 1>hours ticked past without any sign of her, their concern

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<v Speaker 1>slowly began to grow. At first, her mother wasn't too worried,

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<v Speaker 1>thinking Georgia might have just lost track of time during

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<v Speaker 1>the photoshoot or was just kind of hanging out with

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<v Speaker 1>friends or whatever, but she she sent her a quick

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<v Speaker 1>text to check in, asking you know when she would

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<v Speaker 1>be coming home Georgia. She received a text back from

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia said the photoshoot had ended earlier and that she

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<v Speaker 1>was spending time with friends. She also mentioned that she

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<v Speaker 1>might be home late, signing off with her message with

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<v Speaker 1>her usual like three little kissy face emojis. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>now it was against the original plan, but we've all

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<v Speaker 1>been in a situation where we're hanging out with friends,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it kind of like, oh, we're having some

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<v Speaker 1>really good time or whatever, like another half an hour,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'll hang out just for a little bit longer.

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<v Speaker 2>You kind of just like lose track of time.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, exactly these things kind of happened. So her

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<v Speaker 1>mother wasn't too worried. So her mother, you know, reassured

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<v Speaker 1>the family that she got this message, and yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>about it. Even if plans had changed, you know, that's that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it doesn't it. Also, I wonder if it was

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<v Speaker 2>like a little bit out of care though too, right,

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<v Speaker 2>because she did say she'd be back, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah she did, so it could have potentially been out

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<v Speaker 1>a character, but yeah, for sure, I mean, Georgia had

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<v Speaker 1>always been very responsible, but there was no reason to

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<v Speaker 1>suspect anything. But as the night stretched out, her parents

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<v Speaker 1>went to bed and there was still no sign of Georgia.

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<v Speaker 1>Worry was beginning to set in a bit, but they

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<v Speaker 1>assumed that they would wake up in the morning to

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<v Speaker 1>their teenage daughter at home, you know, asleep in the bed, right,

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<v Speaker 1>oh man. However, when they woke up the following day,

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<v Speaker 1>they realized Georgia still was not home. The reality finally

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<v Speaker 1>set in. Her mother text again at six thirty am,

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<v Speaker 1>asking why she hadn't come home and where she was.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no response, not until an hour later, anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>when a text finally came back from Georgia saying that

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<v Speaker 1>she had stayed the night at a friend's house and

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<v Speaker 1>her phone battery was running low. She told her mom

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<v Speaker 1>that she didn't run to respond again, it was because

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<v Speaker 1>her phone battery had died. Now, to us, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably obvious that something's going on here, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>because I mean, of course, hindsight's twenty twenty. We're sitting

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<v Speaker 1>here discussing a tragic event. So we have our you know,

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<v Speaker 1>our vision ready, we're looking for these things.

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<v Speaker 2>Our spidy sense is already high, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>But for George's family, they were left scratching their head

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<v Speaker 1>and trying trying to believe their daughter. You know, like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>she's usually pretty responsible. She is seventeen, she's a teenager.

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<v Speaker 1>She's becoming an adult. She's allowed to kind of do

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<v Speaker 1>these things a bit more now, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, well, and she is answering them right, like exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe, you know, in being seventeen, maybe she's a

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<v Speaker 1>So it's new territory for them, and they're believing their daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, Okay, we'll just figure this out when we

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<v Speaker 1>get home. We'll discuss boundaries if she wants to be

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<v Speaker 1>out later or if we need her home or communication boundaries.

421
00:21:47.799 --> 00:21:51.680
<v Speaker 1>Who knows, but they're believing her daughter, their daughter. Yeah,

422
00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:54.839
<v Speaker 1>and that's kind of that. They're waiting just for her

423
00:21:54.839 --> 00:21:57.640
<v Speaker 1>to come home so they can figure it out now.

424
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<v Speaker 1>The date at this point is May twenty seventh, following

425
00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:04.680
<v Speaker 1>day right, and George's parents expected her to come home anytime,

426
00:22:05.559 --> 00:22:08.839
<v Speaker 1>but it never happened. By the next morning, on May

427
00:22:08.839 --> 00:22:12.279
<v Speaker 1>twenty eighth, Georgia Wow. Georgia had a driving lesson scheduled,

428
00:22:12.279 --> 00:22:14.559
<v Speaker 1>one that she was really excited for in fact, and

429
00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:16.200
<v Speaker 1>she needed to be home so she can get to

430
00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:18.680
<v Speaker 1>it in time, and she never made it home in

431
00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:23.039
<v Speaker 1>time for that driving lesson. Her parents were left extremely

432
00:22:23.079 --> 00:22:26.519
<v Speaker 1>worried and honestly at this point scared. Well, yeah, they

433
00:22:26.559 --> 00:22:29.640
<v Speaker 1>waited up all night for her, but there was still

434
00:22:29.960 --> 00:22:34.920
<v Speaker 1>no sign of her. Desperate for answers, they started contacting friends, family,

435
00:22:35.119 --> 00:22:37.599
<v Speaker 1>hoping someone had heard from her, some sort of sign

436
00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:40.839
<v Speaker 1>knowing anything, but unfortunately, no one had seen or spoken

437
00:22:40.880 --> 00:22:44.039
<v Speaker 1>to her in the previous few days. Her parents now

438
00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:47.839
<v Speaker 1>knew something was terribly wrong and immediately reported her missing

439
00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:48.759
<v Speaker 1>to the police.

440
00:22:49.319 --> 00:22:53.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh, man, like, I I mean, yeah, they just expected

441
00:22:53.359 --> 00:22:55.920
<v Speaker 2>that she would be coming home. It's crazy that much

442
00:22:55.920 --> 00:22:57.759
<v Speaker 2>time kind of went on though. Hey, but I mean

443
00:22:57.920 --> 00:22:59.960
<v Speaker 2>you're always like, no, like, she'll just be here. She'll

444
00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:02.960
<v Speaker 2>be here like the next hour, the next hour, yep. So,

445
00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:04.119
<v Speaker 2>and it makes sense.

446
00:23:04.720 --> 00:23:07.240
<v Speaker 1>And they are texting her, right, they are getting text

447
00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:09.640
<v Speaker 1>from her, right, She's been gone for what, like, I

448
00:23:09.640 --> 00:23:11.759
<v Speaker 1>think it's on the cusp of two and a half

449
00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:14.480
<v Speaker 1>days or so approximately when they finally call the authorities.

450
00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:16.680
<v Speaker 1>They were texting her for the first twenty four hours,

451
00:23:16.960 --> 00:23:19.079
<v Speaker 1>So it's only been probably about twenty four hours a

452
00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:21.839
<v Speaker 1>now or so around the right. That's a rough estimate.

453
00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:25.720
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so of course, I mean if they didn't

454
00:23:25.759 --> 00:23:28.160
<v Speaker 1>hear back from her much sooner, I'm sure they would

455
00:23:28.160 --> 00:23:31.160
<v Speaker 1>have contacted police. Sooner. But they're being reassured by their daughter.

456
00:23:31.359 --> 00:23:34.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or so they thought was their daughter, they thought yep.

457
00:23:35.240 --> 00:23:38.359
<v Speaker 1>Now, Unfortunately, the family couldn't tell authorities much about her disappearance,

458
00:23:38.599 --> 00:23:42.519
<v Speaker 1>but they were able to tell the authorities about the

459
00:23:42.519 --> 00:23:46.559
<v Speaker 1>photoshoot that Georgia was going to at a coworker's house,

460
00:23:46.839 --> 00:23:50.000
<v Speaker 1>a co worker by the name of Jamie Reynolds. But

461
00:23:50.079 --> 00:23:52.960
<v Speaker 1>from there they had no idea what happened. The police

462
00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:55.640
<v Speaker 1>took down the information and wasted no time launching a

463
00:23:55.640 --> 00:24:00.039
<v Speaker 1>full out investigation into George's whereabouts. The police quickly he

464
00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:03.240
<v Speaker 1>had it to Jamie's residence to ask him a few questions.

465
00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:09.519
<v Speaker 1>They approached his door and they knocked, but there was

466
00:24:09.559 --> 00:24:15.000
<v Speaker 1>no response. It was concerning for a moment, but the authorities,

467
00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:18.240
<v Speaker 1>since this could actually pose a threat to someone's life inside,

468
00:24:18.279 --> 00:24:21.880
<v Speaker 1>this is basically a welfare check, right, like someone's missing,

469
00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:24.559
<v Speaker 1>the police didn't hesitate to force their way into the home.

470
00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:25.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh, okay, they just did it.

471
00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:29.079
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, they just went in anyways. Good, but inside

472
00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:33.839
<v Speaker 1>there was neither Jamie or Georgia to be found. A

473
00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:36.839
<v Speaker 1>man hunt to find them was officially on, and it

474
00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:41.119
<v Speaker 1>was as it was unfolding investigators began digging into Jamie's history.

475
00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:43.759
<v Speaker 1>They were trying to find out what kind of person

476
00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:45.480
<v Speaker 1>they were dealing with, what kind of person he was,

477
00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:47.480
<v Speaker 1>or who they were looking for, and police were able

478
00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:51.400
<v Speaker 1>to uncover a few unsettling things from his background. In

479
00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:54.160
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and eight, Jamie had already come under police

480
00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:58.759
<v Speaker 1>scrutiny for attempting to strangle a local teenage girl. Despite

481
00:24:58.799 --> 00:25:02.200
<v Speaker 1>the say of severity of this situation the attack, there

482
00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:05.079
<v Speaker 1>was no criminal charges and the authorities let him off

483
00:25:05.119 --> 00:25:07.359
<v Speaker 1>with a warning, allowing him to walk free.

484
00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:10.240
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, and that would have been a few years

485
00:25:10.279 --> 00:25:12.559
<v Speaker 2>prior to like this. It's been in.

486
00:25:12.400 --> 00:25:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Twenty thirteen when this is occurring, and this occurred in

487
00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:19.599
<v Speaker 1>twenty eight, two thousand and eight. They also learned from

488
00:25:19.599 --> 00:25:22.240
<v Speaker 1>coworkers at the gas station where they both worked at

489
00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:24.759
<v Speaker 1>that neither Jamie or Georgia had shown up for their

490
00:25:24.799 --> 00:25:30.759
<v Speaker 1>recent scheduled shifts. Jamie's parents, who were on vacation at

491
00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:33.599
<v Speaker 1>the time of this all occurring, were shocked at this

492
00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:36.519
<v Speaker 1>whole revelation, but thankfully they were able to help the

493
00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:39.440
<v Speaker 1>police a little bit by providing them with some key

494
00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:42.160
<v Speaker 1>details about the registration on the vehicle he drove a van,

495
00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:44.319
<v Speaker 1>and I assume it was kind of more so about

496
00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:46.240
<v Speaker 1>the license plate, like his license plate number. They gave

497
00:25:46.240 --> 00:25:48.160
<v Speaker 1>the police right but they were able to give some

498
00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:53.319
<v Speaker 1>details and with this information, authority sent out alerts nationwide

499
00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:56.359
<v Speaker 1>urging law enforcement to be on the lookout for Jamie's vehicle.

500
00:25:57.039 --> 00:25:58.799
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I just have to say, of course the parents

501
00:25:58.839 --> 00:26:02.039
<v Speaker 2>were on vacation because you had said earlier that the

502
00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:04.240
<v Speaker 2>photoshoot was at like his parents' house.

503
00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:04.839
<v Speaker 1>Correct.

504
00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:07.119
<v Speaker 2>She was like, how the fuck does that work? But okay,

505
00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:07.960
<v Speaker 2>that's how that works.

506
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:11.799
<v Speaker 1>That's how that works. So it didn't take long before

507
00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:16.079
<v Speaker 1>police were able to actually track him down. It was

508
00:26:16.119 --> 00:26:19.440
<v Speaker 1>in Glasgow, Scotland, over two hundred and eighty miles from

509
00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:23.480
<v Speaker 1>his home in Shropshire. They found him on May thirtieth.

510
00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:27.200
<v Speaker 1>Glasgow police arrested Jamie at a small hotel on the

511
00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:31.240
<v Speaker 1>suspicion of kidnapping Georgia. He was immediately taken into custody

512
00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:35.319
<v Speaker 1>and of course questioning ensued right away, but Jamie held

513
00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:38.759
<v Speaker 1>onto the facade of innocence and he remained tight lipped,

514
00:26:39.079 --> 00:26:46.240
<v Speaker 1>denying any knowledge of Georgia's whereabouts what soever. Despite his

515
00:26:46.440 --> 00:26:51.400
<v Speaker 1>proclaimed innocence, Jamie was brought back to home. So there

516
00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:54.640
<v Speaker 1>at home they began further interrogation. So they went from

517
00:26:54.680 --> 00:26:57.640
<v Speaker 1>Scotland brought him back right, Yeah. So police also began

518
00:26:57.720 --> 00:27:00.720
<v Speaker 1>an intensive search of his house in hopes of finding

519
00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:03.880
<v Speaker 1>any sorts of evidence that could lead to George's recovery

520
00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:07.279
<v Speaker 1>or where she was or anything. And among the items

521
00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:10.680
<v Speaker 1>authority sees during the search was a camera and inside

522
00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:15.039
<v Speaker 1>it contained an SD card. Now, unfortunately that card had

523
00:27:15.079 --> 00:27:17.440
<v Speaker 1>been formatted, which if you know cameras at all, it

524
00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:21.759
<v Speaker 1>means you're basically deleting and wiping the card. But I

525
00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:23.240
<v Speaker 1>knew you were going to get ahead of me on

526
00:27:23.319 --> 00:27:28.119
<v Speaker 1>this one. If you're also unaware when you format a card,

527
00:27:28.839 --> 00:27:32.480
<v Speaker 1>files can still be recovered from it. The card still

528
00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:37.160
<v Speaker 1>contained some little bit of information that forensic experts quickly

529
00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:41.079
<v Speaker 1>got to work recovering. So you can actually recover deleted

530
00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:44.359
<v Speaker 1>files from a formatted card. You can't always recover all

531
00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:45.440
<v Speaker 1>of them, but.

532
00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:49.039
<v Speaker 2>It's especially easy too, because it sounds like like if

533
00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:52.640
<v Speaker 2>something was rewritten over the card, like another photo shoot.

534
00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:54.839
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure how easy it would be to recover,

535
00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:57.839
<v Speaker 2>but it sounds like it wasn't.

536
00:27:58.359 --> 00:28:01.240
<v Speaker 1>The more times a card is formatted. The more difficult

537
00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:03.960
<v Speaker 1>it becomes. The more times there's photos rewritten over top

538
00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:08.480
<v Speaker 1>of that previous existing information, the more difficult becomes. But yeah,

539
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:12.920
<v Speaker 1>it was in this situation like there's they basically just

540
00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:14.839
<v Speaker 1>plugged it into a program, hit recover, and let it

541
00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:16.680
<v Speaker 1>run for a few hours. It's pretty much all they'd

542
00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:17.039
<v Speaker 1>have to do.

543
00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:19.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, okay.

544
00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:21.519
<v Speaker 1>So when they did that, what they managed to uncover

545
00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:26.920
<v Speaker 1>would deliver an absolute chilling revelation to what happened to Georgia.

546
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:32.079
<v Speaker 1>The files they recovered included several photographs from the photoshoot

547
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:35.039
<v Speaker 1>with her, and at first, the images showed her in

548
00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:37.720
<v Speaker 1>ordinary poses, confirming that she had actually been at this

549
00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:41.920
<v Speaker 1>house as reported. You know, the photoshoot occurred. She appeared

550
00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:44.200
<v Speaker 1>relaxed and didn't seem like she was in any danger,

551
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:47.519
<v Speaker 1>But as the investigators continued scrolling through the photos, the

552
00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:52.279
<v Speaker 1>tone took a very horrifying turn. The following images revealed

553
00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:55.359
<v Speaker 1>Georgia now in a state of distress. She had been

554
00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:58.279
<v Speaker 1>stripped nude and was standing on a red recycling bin

555
00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:00.720
<v Speaker 1>with her hands bound behind her back.

556
00:29:01.480 --> 00:29:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit.

557
00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:05.519
<v Speaker 1>Above her head, hanging from the rafters of the home

558
00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:10.480
<v Speaker 1>was a noose that was wrapped around her neck. The

559
00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:14.960
<v Speaker 1>images police were looking at now showed the moments right

560
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:18.039
<v Speaker 1>before that bin was kicked out from underneath George's feet.

561
00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:22.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, Hey, this guy.

562
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:25.599
<v Speaker 1>Now to make matters even worse.

563
00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:26.680
<v Speaker 2>Whoa?

564
00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:31.319
<v Speaker 1>There was a video file that showed Jamie recorded the

565
00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:36.240
<v Speaker 1>entire incident. He coldly held the camera in his hands

566
00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:39.640
<v Speaker 1>and recorded as Georgia hung in front of him and

567
00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:48.000
<v Speaker 1>slowly fell motionless. It unfortunately did not end there. The

568
00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:50.519
<v Speaker 1>photo showed that Jamie took George's body down from the

569
00:29:50.599 --> 00:29:54.319
<v Speaker 1>rope after she had passed away, and he violated her

570
00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:57.880
<v Speaker 1>lifeless body in various rooms of the house, including his

571
00:29:58.039 --> 00:29:58.839
<v Speaker 1>parent's bed.

572
00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:04.240
<v Speaker 2>What do you mean exactly by like violated? Like sexually?

573
00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Yes? Oh, sexually assault?

574
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:10.200
<v Speaker 2>Gosh, this guy is a complete disgusting piece of shit.

575
00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:16.240
<v Speaker 1>Yes, he sexually assaulted Georgia after she was deceased. So necrophilia?

576
00:30:17.319 --> 00:30:18.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, okay?

577
00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:25.200
<v Speaker 1>So he documented his actions through hundreds of photographs, positioning

578
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:31.000
<v Speaker 1>her body in dehumanizing ways. He removed her jewelry and

579
00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:35.920
<v Speaker 1>kept them as trophy pieces for his crime. The police

580
00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:39.160
<v Speaker 1>continued combing through his home for more evidence and uncovering

581
00:30:39.319 --> 00:30:44.240
<v Speaker 1>and uncovered a staggering collection of sixteen thousand, eight hundred

582
00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:49.400
<v Speaker 1>graphic photographs and seventy two highly disturbing videos. These all

583
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:53.319
<v Speaker 1>portrayed acts of violence, including sexual assaults and quote snuff

584
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:57.680
<v Speaker 1>films that depicted torture and murder. Now, if you don't know,

585
00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:01.000
<v Speaker 1>snuff films or adult films that depict someone being murdered

586
00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:03.920
<v Speaker 1>in the climax of the film. So it's basically porn

587
00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:05.880
<v Speaker 1>with murder.

588
00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:07.119
<v Speaker 2>Hmm.

589
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:11.240
<v Speaker 1>And that's where these images and videos were all depicting.

590
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:16.119
<v Speaker 2>Hm. Oh, it is so hard to even know what

591
00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:19.400
<v Speaker 2>to say because this is there's so much out there too.

592
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:23.839
<v Speaker 2>But like photographers, you know, going to like places or whatever,

593
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:26.319
<v Speaker 2>and they're kind of in danger. But I guess like

594
00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:30.079
<v Speaker 2>the you know, the other way of it too, is there, right,

595
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:32.440
<v Speaker 2>because he very easily got her there.

596
00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:35.680
<v Speaker 1>You all to do this rightly, So it could be

597
00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:37.920
<v Speaker 1>the model or it could be the photographer that's in danger.

598
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:41.799
<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, what a light that's just been taken away

599
00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:42.680
<v Speaker 2>from this world.

600
00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:48.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, when authorities uncovered these photographs and videos and

601
00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:50.960
<v Speaker 1>the ones that he had already had stashed away, that

602
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:54.319
<v Speaker 1>he'd saved from the Internet or whatever, right, they realized

603
00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:56.279
<v Speaker 1>that Jamie had been a viewer of this type of

604
00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:59.160
<v Speaker 1>content for an extremely long time. I mean, he had

605
00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:03.440
<v Speaker 1>a stash of sixteen thousand plus images that he'd saved

606
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:06.680
<v Speaker 1>that he liked, that he was his collection, right, Okay,

607
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:09.720
<v Speaker 1>And it's clear that he had aspirations to produce a

608
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:13.240
<v Speaker 1>snuff film of his own and recording George's final moments.

609
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:17.559
<v Speaker 1>He had fulfilled his sick fantasy.

610
00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:23.599
<v Speaker 2>Huh Okay. I mean, gosh, like she was so nice

611
00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:26.680
<v Speaker 2>to him. I wonder if this also he'd made this

612
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:30.359
<v Speaker 2>decision too after like she turned him down. Then if

613
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:32.119
<v Speaker 2>she didn't turn him down, would you have still made

614
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:36.440
<v Speaker 2>this decision? You know, I'm assuming not. I don't know, though,

615
00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:36.799
<v Speaker 2>who knows.

616
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:38.599
<v Speaker 1>We've got a bit we can talk about that here

617
00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:40.400
<v Speaker 1>in a little bit, so don't worry about that. That's

618
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:41.519
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of coming up.

619
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:42.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay.

620
00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:48.400
<v Speaker 1>Now, the evidence against Jamie was extreme, to say the least.

621
00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:52.400
<v Speaker 1>You'd think, like, there's no denying it. Right, there's video

622
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:56.720
<v Speaker 1>and photos of him with Georgia's body, specifically, and when

623
00:32:56.720 --> 00:32:59.000
<v Speaker 1>his parents actually learned the full extent of this and

624
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:01.759
<v Speaker 1>their son's actions, they rushed home from vacation to actually

625
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:04.480
<v Speaker 1>meet with authorities about it all, But that's I digress

626
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:04.720
<v Speaker 1>on that.

627
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:04.960
<v Speaker 2>Well.

628
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The one thing they did disclosed during their conversation, though,

629
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:11.160
<v Speaker 1>was that Jamie had actually been exposed to violent and

630
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:13.519
<v Speaker 1>extreme pornography from a young age, from a long for

631
00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:16.279
<v Speaker 1>a long time, as young as fourteen, and while it's

632
00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:19.799
<v Speaker 1>possible his exposure actually started even earlier, when he was

633
00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:22.599
<v Speaker 1>even younger. They tried to block access to this type

634
00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:25.839
<v Speaker 1>of contact or content by getting in touch with their

635
00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:29.480
<v Speaker 1>Internet provider, but of course, where there's a will, there's

636
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:31.640
<v Speaker 1>a way, and Jamie of course found a way.

637
00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:34.039
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but he like did it kind of on his own,

638
00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:37.079
<v Speaker 2>his own, Yes, he did this on his own.

639
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, No, he was on the Internet and found

640
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:42.119
<v Speaker 1>this sort of content. They discovered he was being I

641
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:42.519
<v Speaker 1>was like.

642
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:44.640
<v Speaker 2>How is he being exposed? Okay? I see.

643
00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:48.119
<v Speaker 1>They tried to put a stop to it by you know, firewalls,

644
00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:51.240
<v Speaker 1>blocking passwords, all this sort of stuff, but Jamie secretly

645
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:57.279
<v Speaker 1>arranged his own private Wi Fi connection, yeah, which allowed

646
00:33:57.319 --> 00:34:01.200
<v Speaker 1>him to continue consuming this material without his parents knowing.

647
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:05.319
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm okay, wow, I mean I guess that would

648
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:08.480
<v Speaker 2>be kind of easy to do because especially his generation

649
00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:13.400
<v Speaker 2>would be more tech savvy than them. Right, so definitely so.

650
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:16.239
<v Speaker 1>When Jamie's parents first caught him watching these videos, they

651
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:19.880
<v Speaker 1>reported it to police and child protective services. However, they

652
00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:22.719
<v Speaker 1>were informed that no legal action could be taken, as

653
00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:26.280
<v Speaker 1>simply viewing the content wasn't a crime in itself, right,

654
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:31.119
<v Speaker 1>but it's a It's clear now that things were going

655
00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:36.599
<v Speaker 1>to be escalating far past simply viewing the content. So

656
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:40.639
<v Speaker 1>investigators found a collection of forty stories that were written

657
00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:45.840
<v Speaker 1>by Jamie. So like handwritten stories, right, each was filled

658
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:51.199
<v Speaker 1>with violent fantasies centered around harming, assaulting, and killing women.

659
00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:58.079
<v Speaker 1>One of the stories was titled quote Georgia Williams in Surprise.

660
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:06.360
<v Speaker 1>It mirrored the events that unfolded almost exactly. The story

661
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:11.000
<v Speaker 1>describes him watching her body quote dance as she died

662
00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:12.000
<v Speaker 1>by hanging.

663
00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Just sitting there watching this, say yeah.

664
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:19.000
<v Speaker 1>It became clear that Jamie had likely planned George's murder

665
00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:24.559
<v Speaker 1>for months in advance, which, of course, crafting this poorly

666
00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:30.519
<v Speaker 1>written narrative became a horrifying reality. They found that he

667
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:33.880
<v Speaker 1>had begun writing the story in January and completed it

668
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:37.079
<v Speaker 1>just three weeks before he actually killed her, suggesting that

669
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:41.000
<v Speaker 1>her death was part of a very calculated plan designed

670
00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:45.000
<v Speaker 1>to bring this sick fantasy to life. Now. I'm unaware

671
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:49.440
<v Speaker 1>on when Jamie asked out Georgia and when she declined,

672
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:55.559
<v Speaker 1>but he had been writing this story about her for months.

673
00:35:56.679 --> 00:35:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I mean, even if she did accept it,

674
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:02.079
<v Speaker 2>still very much still could have happened.

675
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:05.239
<v Speaker 1>It most likely would have because he had these fantasies already.

676
00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:09.039
<v Speaker 1>He was going to harm her, He was going to

677
00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:12.480
<v Speaker 1>do something if they were in a relationship.

678
00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:14.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, and he was waiting for like the right time too,

679
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:17.960
<v Speaker 2>within his parents being away and yep, I don't know

680
00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:20.480
<v Speaker 2>how often they go away, but yeah, I don't know either.

681
00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:25.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, so Jamie knew he was caught. He stubbornly, though,

682
00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:28.599
<v Speaker 1>refused to provide any information about the location of George's

683
00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:32.280
<v Speaker 1>body and continued to insist he was innocent.

684
00:36:32.559 --> 00:36:34.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, at some point you have to just

685
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:36.599
<v Speaker 2>be like, you know, they got me.

686
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:41.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know, right. This gave investigators no choice but

687
00:36:41.960 --> 00:36:44.360
<v Speaker 1>to instead of you know, getting a story from him,

688
00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:48.800
<v Speaker 1>they meticulously retraced jamie steps in the days following George's murder,

689
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:52.159
<v Speaker 1>so they had to get all detective and figure out

690
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:55.559
<v Speaker 1>the storyline instead of him telling them. Their search began

691
00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:58.639
<v Speaker 1>on the Monday morning after her death, starting at the

692
00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:04.000
<v Speaker 1>gas station where surveillancege captured Jamie refueling his van. Now,

693
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:07.519
<v Speaker 1>unbeknownst to anyone at the time, George's lifeless body was

694
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:10.199
<v Speaker 1>actually hidden in the back of that van. While refueling

695
00:37:11.199 --> 00:37:13.519
<v Speaker 1>and after filling up the van, Jamie drove about sixty

696
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:18.199
<v Speaker 1>miles to a movie theater. Here he left George's body

697
00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:20.159
<v Speaker 1>in the back of the van, locked up, and walked

698
00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:24.679
<v Speaker 1>inside the theater. And here inside he went and watched

699
00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:25.079
<v Speaker 1>a movie.

700
00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:27.559
<v Speaker 2>He fucking actually went and just watched a movie.

701
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:29.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he went and watched a movie. It's messed up.

702
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:32.480
<v Speaker 1>But what gets even more messed up is there some

703
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:36.400
<v Speaker 1>psychologists who agree and believe that this was actually a

704
00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:40.800
<v Speaker 1>twisted attempt for him to fulfill his fantasy of taking

705
00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:44.440
<v Speaker 1>Georgia out on a date ah as if they were

706
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:47.199
<v Speaker 1>seeing a movie together as a couple, even though she's dead.

707
00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:50.559
<v Speaker 1>Oh gross, Hey, isn't that fucked up?

708
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:53.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? That really is so.

709
00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:57.480
<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately, after Jamie left the theater, law enforcement lost track

710
00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:00.679
<v Speaker 1>of his movements. But what they did do instead was

711
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:04.119
<v Speaker 1>they issued a public appeal for any information from anyone

712
00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:07.880
<v Speaker 1>who might have seen this van around that time. And

713
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:11.840
<v Speaker 1>it quickly paid off. Several people reported seeing Jamie's van

714
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:16.639
<v Speaker 1>near the Nantigarth Mountain Paths, which is a heavily wooded

715
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:19.519
<v Speaker 1>area near Wrexham known for its muddy and kind of

716
00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:23.559
<v Speaker 1>rough roads and terrain. There's one particular memory that stood

717
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:27.119
<v Speaker 1>out among locals. One particular report that came in a

718
00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:29.599
<v Speaker 1>group of good Samaritans had helped Jamie get his van

719
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:33.119
<v Speaker 1>out of the mud after he had gotten stuck, so

720
00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:35.840
<v Speaker 1>they were able to say, yes, he was there, his

721
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:39.639
<v Speaker 1>van was in this area, this is where he was stuck. Right.

722
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:44.559
<v Speaker 1>So police armed with this information focused their search around

723
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:50.480
<v Speaker 1>that area, and before long, in this remote and secluded area,

724
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:54.719
<v Speaker 1>the officers discovered George's deceased, unclothed body.

725
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:57.280
<v Speaker 2>In the woods, buried or just like lay in there

726
00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:03.039
<v Speaker 2>or what I just discover arded gosh.

727
00:39:03.400 --> 00:39:06.920
<v Speaker 1>Her remains were carefully transported back to Shropshire, where a

728
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:10.239
<v Speaker 1>post mortem examination revealed the cause of her death as

729
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:14.239
<v Speaker 1>being exphyxiation, likely from ligature being applied to her neck,

730
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:15.559
<v Speaker 1>which is no surprise.

731
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:18.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they kind of already knew that, I guess.

732
00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Additionally, there was bruising found in her back, which indicated

733
00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:26.599
<v Speaker 1>that Jamie had forcely pressed his knee down onto Georgia,

734
00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:29.800
<v Speaker 1>likely during the struggle leading up to her being bound

735
00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:34.440
<v Speaker 1>and put on the bin with the news. Yeah so.

736
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Through the investigation and subsequent soul subsequential legal proceedings, Jamie

737
00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:47.639
<v Speaker 1>still maintained his innocence, denying any involvement in Georgie's murder. However,

738
00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:51.119
<v Speaker 1>his stance took a sudden and unexpected turn. On the

739
00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:55.119
<v Speaker 1>first day of his trial in December of twenty thirteen,

740
00:39:56.559 --> 00:40:00.320
<v Speaker 1>without any warning, Jamie stood up in court and pled

741
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:03.079
<v Speaker 1>guilty to all charges against him.

742
00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:04.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay, took long enough.

743
00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:09.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah so. During the trial, more disturbing details about Jamie's

744
00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:12.679
<v Speaker 1>past would actually come to light. In two thousand and eight,

745
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:17.679
<v Speaker 1>he sorry he had been under scrutiny once again with

746
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:21.840
<v Speaker 1>the police. He had confined a young girl that was

747
00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:26.199
<v Speaker 1>just sixteen in his home. Although he received what was

748
00:40:26.239 --> 00:40:30.719
<v Speaker 1>described as quote a final warning from authorities, no further

749
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:37.199
<v Speaker 1>action was again taken from the incident. Unfortunately, Jamie's escalating

750
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:42.320
<v Speaker 1>pattern of extremely dangerous behavior ultimately went unchecked, and it

751
00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:47.119
<v Speaker 1>culminated into the tragic murder of Georgia Williams. As a

752
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:50.360
<v Speaker 1>result of his crimes, Jamie was sentenced to a whole

753
00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:54.519
<v Speaker 1>life term. Now this quote whole life term is the

754
00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:58.400
<v Speaker 1>most severe sentence in the UK criminal judicial system, and

755
00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:00.760
<v Speaker 1>it means that the offender will spend the rest of

756
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:04.159
<v Speaker 1>their life in prison without the possibility of parole.

757
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:05.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I like that.

758
00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:09.840
<v Speaker 1>This made him the forty sixth person in UK history

759
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:14.400
<v Speaker 1>to receive this sentence of punishment. He was also the

760
00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:16.920
<v Speaker 1>youngest in history at the time to receive it.

761
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:19.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean you had mentioned that he has like

762
00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:22.880
<v Speaker 2>forty other stories, right, Like, I mean I don't think

763
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:24.360
<v Speaker 2>he had written Yeah. Yeah, Like I don't know if

764
00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:25.880
<v Speaker 2>he was going to be if he didn't get caught

765
00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:27.960
<v Speaker 2>with this, he probably would have done it again.

766
00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:29.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh definitely.

767
00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:31.599
<v Speaker 2>And this is also something like it's been quite a

768
00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:35.360
<v Speaker 2>long span of time. I don't know, it would take

769
00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:39.599
<v Speaker 2>time to rehabilitate that out of your system. I guess

770
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:40.320
<v Speaker 2>if you even.

771
00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:44.440
<v Speaker 1>Get you can ken. Yeah. Well, I mean there's stories

772
00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:49.440
<v Speaker 1>of like child predators trying to be rehabilitated and they're like,

773
00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:52.280
<v Speaker 1>I can't, Like it's just it's like I was ingrained

774
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:55.199
<v Speaker 1>on this. Yeah, Like they were fucking born with this sick,

775
00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:57.840
<v Speaker 1>fucking thing in their head. Yeah, So I don't know

776
00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:00.840
<v Speaker 1>if you can always learn these things.

777
00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:01.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

778
00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:06.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Now in twenty fourteen, Jamie would appeal his sentence,

779
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:12.960
<v Speaker 1>but he was unsuccessful, and thankfully Jamie will forever rot

780
00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:17.880
<v Speaker 1>behind bars. And that is the story of Georgia Williams.

781
00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:19.639
<v Speaker 2>You know. And this whole time too, I've just been

782
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:24.199
<v Speaker 2>sitting here thinking like, if she oh Man wouldn't have

783
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:27.440
<v Speaker 2>been the person that she was, she would have you know,

784
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:28.800
<v Speaker 2>just been at that barbecue.

785
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:29.400
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

786
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:32.159
<v Speaker 2>But then also to the photo shoot, probably would have

787
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:35.400
<v Speaker 2>gotten you know, postponed and something else like it would

788
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:37.599
<v Speaker 2>have just been inevitable most likely.

789
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:40.599
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yes, No, Jamie had been planning it for months,

790
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:43.920
<v Speaker 1>so it culminated to this, this photo shoot. If she

791
00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:47.760
<v Speaker 1>declined or was unable, he would have figured out another way.

792
00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:52.599
<v Speaker 1>So it's he had his sight set on a target.

793
00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:57.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah he really did. Wow, that is just like such

794
00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:02.039
<v Speaker 2>a wild story. Hey, And to just go about photographing

795
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:03.320
<v Speaker 2>and documenting all of.

796
00:43:03.280 --> 00:43:08.079
<v Speaker 1>That, I know. And he recorded her last moments as

797
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:12.239
<v Speaker 1>she's hanging and struggling to breathe and the life is

798
00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:15.480
<v Speaker 1>draining from her and he's he calmly did it.

799
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:18.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And he'd at no point thinks like what the

800
00:43:18.679 --> 00:43:21.880
<v Speaker 2>fuck am I doing. Nope, nothing harries on with it

801
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:24.760
<v Speaker 2>for like, yeah, hm.

802
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:26.400
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's fucked up.

803
00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:28.320
<v Speaker 2>That's super fucked up.

804
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. When I actually came across this case, I told Nicole,

805
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:34.440
<v Speaker 1>I think what I told you was something along the

806
00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:37.280
<v Speaker 1>lines of, oh, I found a case of a photographer

807
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:40.880
<v Speaker 1>and you're like oh. And then, because you're always like, oh,

808
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:43.280
<v Speaker 1>I go out in dangerous situations with strangers or whatever,

809
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:45.320
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, oh, do they get killed, I'm like, no,

810
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:50.719
<v Speaker 1>they're the killer. And they recorded themselves hanging someone or

811
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:53.079
<v Speaker 1>something like that. I can't remember. Yeah, yeah, And that's

812
00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:56.599
<v Speaker 1>what I told you. And as soon as I discovered

813
00:43:56.599 --> 00:43:58.199
<v Speaker 1>the story, I'm like, yeah, yeah, we got to cover it.

814
00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:02.079
<v Speaker 1>That's fucked up and how relatable, right well.

815
00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:05.639
<v Speaker 2>I just can't believe too that this person just X

816
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:07.599
<v Speaker 2>thought that they would actually be able to get away

817
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:10.000
<v Speaker 2>with this, you know, I.

818
00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Know, and how they're still denying it even though there's

819
00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:17.559
<v Speaker 1>literal photos and videos like yeah, is that not you

820
00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:22.000
<v Speaker 1>like holding this camera that belongs to you that was

821
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:26.559
<v Speaker 1>found in your parents' place while she's hanging and dying, Like,

822
00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:29.000
<v Speaker 1>is that not you? Look at the reflection That fucking

823
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:30.639
<v Speaker 1>meta right there, that's you holding it.

824
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:33.440
<v Speaker 2>Like you almost wonder if he regretted doing the guilty

825
00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:37.000
<v Speaker 2>or pleading guilty there, since he went about like appealing

826
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:40.360
<v Speaker 2>it later on, or maybe he was just appealing the

827
00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:41.920
<v Speaker 2>life's Yeah.

828
00:44:41.559 --> 00:44:44.360
<v Speaker 1>That's what that's what he was appealing. He wasn't appealing

829
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:47.360
<v Speaker 1>the conviction. He was appealing the sentence.

830
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:52.440
<v Speaker 2>Huh. And so his parents knew His parents knew that

831
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:54.280
<v Speaker 2>something wasn't quite right with him.

832
00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:56.920
<v Speaker 1>They did, but yeah, and they couldn't do anything.

833
00:44:56.960 --> 00:44:59.159
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, what are they supposed to do because.

834
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:01.639
<v Speaker 1>They did actually take a like they reported it.

835
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which I was a bit like surprised there. So yeah,

836
00:45:04.519 --> 00:45:08.119
<v Speaker 2>you would only you know, most likely do that when

837
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:10.519
<v Speaker 2>you've what's the wording.

838
00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Like exhausted all resources or of thing. Yeah yeah, but uh,

839
00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:15.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean they're they're like, yeah, we caught our kid

840
00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:19.320
<v Speaker 1>like rubbing one out to some fucking murder shit online,

841
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Like what the fuck? God, we got a future dahmer here?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh right there. It's just like, yeah, I think I'm

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<v Speaker 2>good not having kids because I'm not really sure how

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<v Speaker 2>you would deal with that situation because you just know,

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<v Speaker 2>sh it's gonna go Shit's going down. Yeah, Oh and

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't I don't know. I don't really know if

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<v Speaker 2>if if they if his upbringing brought on this in

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<v Speaker 2>any way, but I'm thinking not.

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<v Speaker 1>So by the sounds of it. It didn't. By the

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<v Speaker 1>sounds of it. He simply discovered a certain type of

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<v Speaker 1>pornography online and it enveloped him.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh, Hey, I think we're good. I think we're good

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<v Speaker 2>with our dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>Dogs are pretty awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I can't see something like that happen with the dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>So no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well done that. That will be on my mind

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<v Speaker 2>for the rest of this day.

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<v Speaker 1>So enjoy that. Hopefully you guys enjoyed the case. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for being here. If you want to check out

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<v Speaker 1>all of our our links, they're into the the the

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<v Speaker 1>the They're in the description of the podcast Wow, which

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<v Speaker 1>includes Patreon, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube. All of it's there. And

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<v Speaker 1>as we mentioned at the beginning, Halloween Week is coming up,

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<v Speaker 1>starting this Friday, seven straight days of Wicked and grim ding. Dang, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so get ready.

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<v Speaker 2>For that, No kidding, we have to get ready for

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<v Speaker 2>that too, we do.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a lot to get ready for that. So,

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of which, we're gonna go get ready. I got

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of research to do, so yeah, we will.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk to you later, so until then, stay wicked.