Speaker 1: Now here's Nick Coffee.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get it start at five o'clock hour
Speaker 2: here on a Monday, a Veterans Day edition of Coffee
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Speaker 2: got Austin Montgomery in the house this afternoon. One more
Speaker 2: hour left. As Mondays always go by so fast because
Speaker 2: there's so much to react to, especially you know, this
Speaker 2: time of the year, you've got so much going on,
Speaker 2: and basketball has really well, We've I think we've had
Speaker 2: a pretty good balance now that I realize we're two
Speaker 2: hours in, but obviously right out of the gate, a
Speaker 2: lot to react to. From the Saturday afternoon at the
Speaker 2: Young Center, Louisville losing seventy seven to fifty five against Tennessee.
Speaker 2: Louisville was favored when that game tipped off, which made
Speaker 2: me feel a little bit more I guess, you know,
Speaker 2: justified in my confidence, because you know, it wasn't just
Speaker 2: me who felt like, you know, Louisville was gonna win
Speaker 2: at home against a team that's ranked number twelve in
Speaker 2: the preseason ap Pole, but Tennessee probably knew of that
Speaker 2: as well, and they made quite a statement they were
Speaker 2: better in every aspect, a very humbling experience for everybody involved.
Speaker 2: But that was gonna happen at some point, and maybe,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe we shouldn't just say, well, somebody was
Speaker 2: gonna get you at home by twenty two at some point,
Speaker 2: because that's something you really never want to happen. And
Speaker 2: maybe a loss of that bad wasn't something we should
Speaker 2: have just expected to happen at any time, but it did.
Speaker 2: But what I mean by that was gonna happen is
Speaker 2: it's been a honeymoon for everybody involved. There's been no
Speaker 2: opportunity that has presented itself for Pat Kelse to really
Speaker 2: learn about his guys after they get knocked in the
Speaker 2: mouth after adversity hits. And I really didn't think that
Speaker 2: the result got as bad as it did because they
Speaker 2: got knocked in the mouth and they like quit. But
Speaker 2: Tennessee was well aware of what Louisville wanted to do,
Speaker 2: and they took it away from the jump, and Louisville
Speaker 2: really never got rolling. I mean, you're looking at a
Speaker 2: team that scored fifty five points. There's not gonna be
Speaker 2: many games where if they score in the fifties, they're
Speaker 2: beating anybody fifty five points with the way Pat Kelsey
Speaker 2: wants to play is just not a good recipe and
Speaker 2: he knows that. So Tennessee give them a lot of credit.
Speaker 2: I hope Tennessee is really good. I think they are
Speaker 2: given what we saw. But how much Louisville factored into
Speaker 2: them looking as good as they did, that's something only
Speaker 2: time will tell. But twenty seven percent from the field
Speaker 2: for Louisville ten to thirty nine from three, I mean
Speaker 2: not a good day by any stretch. And I think
Speaker 2: what really stood out to me, And I know I
Speaker 2: emphasized this a lot in the postgame show, But Tennessee
Speaker 2: and Rick Barnes, I mean that may be there might
Speaker 2: There's not gonna be many teams that are as good
Speaker 2: at Tennessee as doing that. And I don't mean you're
Speaker 2: not going to play teams as good as Tennessee. You
Speaker 2: may play team better than Tennessee when you get to
Speaker 2: the Bahamas. I mean, Indiana is a pretty good team
Speaker 2: as far as how they're rosters built. So what I
Speaker 2: mean by Tennessee might have been the worst team to
Speaker 2: play in that situation is that Rick Barnes. You know,
Speaker 2: he's old school, he's not probably using analytics and formulas
Speaker 2: the way younger coaches like Pat Kelcey, even Mark Pope
Speaker 2: Nate Oates who made a Final four with this new
Speaker 2: modern way of playing. I don't want to say he's
Speaker 2: like anti analytics or whatnot, but Rick Barnes is old
Speaker 2: school man. He's going to put a team on the
Speaker 2: floor that is physically tough, and they're going to defend
Speaker 2: you really, really well from start to finish offensively. I
Speaker 2: think his style has kind of been dependent upon personnel.
Speaker 2: I've never really felt like they were a team that
Speaker 2: really wants to just get out and run, you know,
Speaker 2: as far as running the way Louisville likes to run,
Speaker 2: it's meaning just wanting that many possessions. So I don't
Speaker 2: think there was any like personal thing here with Rick
Speaker 2: Barnes where he had something to prove. But the jury,
Speaker 2: I mean the jury, the jury is still out on
Speaker 2: how consistently you can succeed with the way that a
Speaker 2: lot of coaches, Pat Kelsey included want to play now.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's been proven that you can win, but
Speaker 2: you know, doing it consistently and doing it against teams
Speaker 2: that have, you know, way better talent than you like
Speaker 2: it may be tough. So Rick Barnes came in knowing.
Speaker 2: I mean, you don't even have to know basketball that
Speaker 2: well to know that. Pat Kelsey's philosophy in his style
Speaker 2: is fast spreading it out, a lot of possessions, a
Speaker 2: lot of three point shots within rhythm, doesn't matter if
Speaker 2: it's early in the shot clock, necessarily doesn't matter if
Speaker 2: you're being somewhat contested, if you catch it in rhythm
Speaker 2: and you got a good look, and you're a shooter,
Speaker 2: which nearly everyone on this team when you talk about
Speaker 2: what they do well, shooting is supposed to be part
Speaker 2: of it, or maybe really the only thing that they're
Speaker 2: like really known for. So Louisville was not able to
Speaker 2: get into anything they wanted to do offensively. Tennessee, we
Speaker 2: got back on defense and really just guarded them effectively
Speaker 2: throughout the entire game to where it turned into, Okay,
Speaker 2: what we've done previously to put up a bunch of
Speaker 2: points against the inferior opponents, it's not working right now,
Speaker 2: So what do we do? And I'm sure they did
Speaker 2: go in the huddle and at halftime and try to
Speaker 2: think of some things they could do offensively in the
Speaker 2: half court to generate offense. But clearly it didn't work.
Speaker 2: It didn't work very well. So you know, that's a
Speaker 2: that's an experience the pat Kelsey. I think we'll learn
Speaker 2: from just like these players, like, hey, what I wanted
Speaker 2: to do? They took it away pretty easily and we
Speaker 2: didn't have a formula. And what I mean by formula
Speaker 2: is what are you generating in the half court right?
Speaker 2: What are you initiating to get a look that is,
Speaker 2: you know, potentially the best case scenario for you, you're gonna
Speaker 2: miss shots. But Louis, well, it looked like those guys
Speaker 2: were really forced to just try to play one on
Speaker 2: one and break their guy down late in the shot
Speaker 2: clock because they couldn't get into anything. And that's not
Speaker 2: a good recipe against teams like Tennessee. So I think
Speaker 2: the ceiling for this team has always been an unknown.
Speaker 2: If I really felt like I learned something from Saturday,
Speaker 2: it would be that maybe I should just keep in
Speaker 2: mind that regardless of how well they do this year,
Speaker 2: the ceiling's probably not super high. Now, maybe I'll look
Speaker 2: back in two months and say, wow, I was an
Speaker 2: idiot for saying that, because the Tennessee game was an outlier.
Speaker 2: They are going to be able to play those kind
Speaker 2: of teams and win. But you know, you saw them
Speaker 2: play a bunch of nobodies. No offense to those opponents,
Speaker 2: but they did what they're supposed to do, and that
Speaker 2: still means something, right, Like that's best case scenario dominating
Speaker 2: against Morehead State. Like you did, that's what you want,
Speaker 2: but you took a big step up in competition, and
Speaker 2: Tennessee just looked better than you at every spot. And
Speaker 2: maybe you play them ten times and you say that
Speaker 2: after every game, or maybe you play them ten times
Speaker 2: and you still feel like they have the edge and talent,
Speaker 2: but it was much more competitive. That's something that we're
Speaker 2: all just guessing as far as what Saturday said more
Speaker 2: about Tennessee or more about Louisville. So they're going to
Speaker 2: have opportunities in the near future to reset and say, Okay,
Speaker 2: here we go again. We're playing a team that is
Speaker 2: the caliber of a Tennessee and maybe they don't play
Speaker 2: the exact way Tennessee plays. Maybe they're not as physically
Speaker 2: imposing as Tennessee is, but maybe they're better when it
Speaker 2: comes to talent. Here we go again, another real big test,
Speaker 2: a really big challenge. I'm very hopeful that this team
Speaker 2: will play better to where they've grown from this to
Speaker 2: where they're not losing by twenty two points. But what
Speaker 2: I don't know, and none of us really do, is
Speaker 2: is there enough to work with for Pat Kelsey to
Speaker 2: where not only can you Because I do think the
Speaker 2: answer to this is yes, And again maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about them being able to make some
Speaker 2: changes and be more competitive than twenty two points against
Speaker 2: good teams. I guess what I'm more so worried about
Speaker 2: is that do you have enough to work with to
Speaker 2: where you can actually envision yourself competing and beat these teams. Yes,
Speaker 2: upsets happen every night, but I would just you know
Speaker 2: it'd be And maybe I'm getting greedy here, because look,
Speaker 2: if Louisville ends up winning games and it's some of
Speaker 2: them are flukey, like, I don't care. I just want
Speaker 2: to win, right, especially in this season. I would like
Speaker 2: to know that you can beat some teams that you
Speaker 2: feel are good, but it's not because man, they just
Speaker 2: had an off night and it wasn't some gigantic upset.
Speaker 2: It's just because you went out there and you competed
Speaker 2: for forty minutes like they did, and you were better.
Speaker 2: And look, I'm not telling you that that won't happen,
Speaker 2: but Tennessee was just that much better than them. And
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that it's more about Tennessee than it is
Speaker 2: about Louisville. Obviously, another thing we've talked about when it
Speaker 2: comes to this basketball team, you knew just by looking
Speaker 2: at the roster on paper that they don't have a
Speaker 2: big physical presence in the post. That's just not how
Speaker 2: they're built, and you know it could potentially hurt them
Speaker 2: when it comes to matchups. And what I didn't realize
Speaker 2: is that, you know, Tennessee's biggs, they're not super skilled,
Speaker 2: and I don't think Tennessee does a whole lot of
Speaker 2: you know, running things through those guys. But man, they're
Speaker 2: grown ass men that are a lot more physical and
Speaker 2: just bigger than our guys. And you're gonna play other
Speaker 2: teams that maybe have a similar and even if they
Speaker 2: don't have the type of size that Tennessee has, I mean,
Speaker 2: louisvill doesn't have a true physical presence at the five.
Speaker 2: All their fives that you're gonna play this year are
Speaker 2: more hybrid bigs. I don't want to call him finesse
Speaker 2: because that means they're soft, and I don't think they are.
Speaker 2: But like no matter where case and Pryor's playing, meaning
Speaker 2: Boise where he started his career Juco, Louisville, South Florida,
Speaker 2: he's not somebody that they're looking at on the bench
Speaker 2: meeting the staff and saying, Okay, they put in their
Speaker 2: real big bruiser, let's throw in Prior. That's just not
Speaker 2: his game. And the same thing can be said about
Speaker 2: Noah Waterman. I mean Noah Waterman. To me, I worry
Speaker 2: about him being able to defend a lot of guys
Speaker 2: that Wolfe was going to play this year at every level.
Speaker 2: That's just really I mean, he's not quick latterly in
Speaker 2: any way. So he's somebody that you don't really want
Speaker 2: him on the perimeter in any way defensively. But I
Speaker 2: think also you're gonna see teams post him up and
Speaker 2: probably have an advantage. I'm not picking on him, but
Speaker 2: again that's a clear issue that you can't just go
Speaker 2: rep you can't go get new players right now. I mean,
Speaker 2: you got what you got and you got to make
Speaker 2: it work. I believe that James Scott. I mean I think,
Speaker 2: I don't think he's soft. I think he's high energy,
Speaker 2: and I think he's got a bright future. But man,
Speaker 2: not a good not a not a good day for
Speaker 2: him Saturday. He played twenty minutes, didn't take a shot,
Speaker 2: had four rebounds. I mean, just was not a factor
Speaker 2: really at all. And if that's what becomes somewhat you know,
Speaker 2: the norm when you play really good teams, that's a
Speaker 2: disastrous scenario. I hope it's not. I don't believe it will.
Speaker 2: But they got ten days off now, and hopefully this
Speaker 2: is something that they you know, collectively, because look, they're
Speaker 2: all learning about each other right now. No, there was
Speaker 2: no scenario to replicate not only anything Tennessee was gonna
Speaker 2: throw at you, but also any real adversity. And this
Speaker 2: is really what you have. And I don't want to
Speaker 2: say that they're in a spot to where they're probably all,
Speaker 2: you know, crying themselves to sleep every night, but hey,
Speaker 2: everybody top to bottom should be humble, and I know
Speaker 2: they were from what happened on Saturday. And the guy
Speaker 2: that's leading it, meaning leading the program, leading this team,
Speaker 2: Pat Kelsey, They're going to try to figure it out.
Speaker 2: They're going to get better from it. I don't really
Speaker 2: doubt that. I mean, I guess only time will tell
Speaker 2: truly what happens from this, But I've not changed what
Speaker 2: I think this team can do when it comes to
Speaker 2: like my expectation in year one, and this is just me.
Speaker 2: I know I'm not alone here, but I can only
Speaker 2: speak for myself. When I saw the roster on paper,
Speaker 2: I thought, Okay, this team, they should make the tournament.
Speaker 2: They might not, but like I'm not thinking, Okay, do
Speaker 2: you have enough pieces to do it? I mean, I
Speaker 2: think they do now, great seed, probably not phenomenal resume,
Speaker 2: doubt it second weekend. I can't tell you that I
Speaker 2: believe that's gonna happen after what happened on Saturday, But
Speaker 2: like what I saw in every instance, include you know,
Speaker 2: meeting all the exhibitions, Morehead and then Saturday, like, I
Speaker 2: still believe that you have the ability to make the tournament.
Speaker 2: I'm not as confident as maybe I was the other day,
Speaker 2: but you know, that's where I've been throughout the entire
Speaker 2: early I guess, you know, stages of this new era,
Speaker 2: this new world of the Pat Kelsey era. Tournament for
Speaker 2: me is what I'm keeping as a realistic goal that
Speaker 2: I don't think they would shy away from. I don't
Speaker 2: think anybody look at you crazy when you say, hey,
Speaker 2: this can be a tournament team. But you know, will
Speaker 2: they actually do it? We're all just guessing, or let's
Speaker 2: go to the let's go to the text line FIBO
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Speaker 2: join us, we will get back into football. Obviously, Louisville
Speaker 2: back in action after a bye week. We finished up
Speaker 2: the four o'clock hour really discussing the Governor's Cup match up,
Speaker 2: as it is certainly building to be the unthinkable, which is,
Speaker 2: if there was ever going to be a time to
Speaker 2: end the streak, it's got to be now. And we
Speaker 2: said that last year, and I thought that would be
Speaker 2: the worst. I thought there'd be no scenario worse than
Speaker 2: how that played out. But I have a feeling that
Speaker 2: if things go the way they're expected to go, with
Speaker 2: the games left for each of these teams, the morale
Speaker 2: for each fan base, it is setting up to where
Speaker 2: if Louisville doesn't win, it would in fact be worse
Speaker 2: than last year and I don't want that to happen.
Speaker 2: So we did discuss that earlier. But let's move on.
Speaker 2: Let's get to the text line. As I mentioned this,
Speaker 2: text says, Nick, do you think there should have been
Speaker 2: more of an emphasis on bringing back some of the
Speaker 2: players from last year's team? They were talented? Also, why
Speaker 2: not bring more than just two guys from Charleston? The
Speaker 2: big guy that Mac inherited is killing it. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 2: I want to talk a little more about the whole
Speaker 2: scenario where guys from the Kenny Payne era stuck around.
Speaker 2: But I don't really know if I want to do
Speaker 2: that right now, but it may. I'll put it this way. Yes,
Speaker 2: there there's there was. There were talented guys that were
Speaker 2: probably gonna see having success elsewhere and wonder well, maybe
Speaker 2: they should have tried to convince this guy to stay.
Speaker 2: And I and I get while people will have that reaction,
Speaker 2: but I still believe it was expected to have the turnover.
Speaker 2: You had given everything, meaning what those players went through
Speaker 2: and what their experience was at Louisville. I mean, if
Speaker 2: any any of those kids wanted a fresh start, which
Speaker 2: all of them did, I mean, can you can you
Speaker 2: say you're surprised, Like, no, you think it was traumatic
Speaker 2: for you as a fan like these guys, I'm sure
Speaker 2: it was worse for them. So yeah, there would be
Speaker 2: more talent on this team if a few of these
Speaker 2: guys stuck around, But we learned the hard way that
Speaker 2: doesn't always matter. And if you're Pat Kelsey and you don't,
Speaker 2: you know, you got to you gotta rip it off
Speaker 2: like a band aid and start fresh. And you have
Speaker 2: the ability to do that. And they went out in
Speaker 2: the portal and got played that I still think are good.
Speaker 2: But you know, as far as the ceiling that the
Speaker 2: top end talent, you know, I mean, I'll just say,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say it, Austin, I'm gonna say it.
Speaker 3: Say it.
Speaker 2: If you take the seven best players on the roster
Speaker 2: last year when it comes to talent, well, if you
Speaker 2: take the most talented players on last year's team, the
Speaker 2: top seven, and the seven guys on this team that
Speaker 2: you think of the most talented. It's gonna sound crazy,
Speaker 2: especially coming from me, but I always emphasize talent was
Speaker 2: not the reason that that thing went as badly as
Speaker 2: it did. I mean, I'm hesitating to say it, but
Speaker 2: I want to say because it's just what I believe.
Speaker 2: I think last year's team actually had more god given
Speaker 2: talent than this year's team. I mean, interesting, it wasn't
Speaker 2: worth anything because of everything else to go with it.
Speaker 2: But like you know, Brandon Hilly Hadfields a talented player.
Speaker 2: I mean Tyler john Sin's a talented player. Sky Clark's
Speaker 2: a talented player. Now does that mean those guys are
Speaker 2: gonna go to the NBA?
Speaker 1: Know?
Speaker 2: But like they're dudes who you can understand why they
Speaker 2: were four and five star recruits, right, I mean you
Speaker 2: have busts, you have guys who have talent that never
Speaker 2: develop anything. So like what is talent worth if you
Speaker 2: don't ever put it all together? There are guys who
Speaker 2: I would take over a more talented player if you know,
Speaker 2: they're consistent, they know who they are, and they have
Speaker 2: a little bit of talent, right, Like, talent isn't the
Speaker 2: only thing that matters, but it does matter, and I
Speaker 2: think Saturday against Tennessee was a reminder of that. And
Speaker 2: I love every one of these guys that decided to
Speaker 2: come to Louisville because we needed them and we still
Speaker 2: do and they're still gonna, in my opinion, give you
Speaker 2: a season where you feel like, Wow, this thing is
Speaker 2: going to go really well. I'm glad Pat Kelsey's our guy,
Speaker 2: and I'm glad these guys came here to play. But
Speaker 2: here's the reality of it. There's a reason why some
Speaker 2: of these guys played where they played, and some of
Speaker 2: these guys who you brought in are really good pieces,
Speaker 2: but they weren't even the best player for the lower
Speaker 2: level prom that they came from. You know, I love Treire.
Speaker 2: You guys know that. I've talked about it since he
Speaker 2: got here. I love what he brings to the table.
Speaker 2: He's a veteran, he knows who he is, but he's
Speaker 2: probably the third best player at Long Beach State. So
Speaker 2: putting him in your starting lineup and seeing that, you know,
Speaker 2: he gave you a goosegg out there against a top
Speaker 2: twelve team, like it really shouldn't shock you that much.
Speaker 2: So you know, I didn't want to go there, but
Speaker 2: you brought it up on the text line as far
Speaker 2: as like, I don't think anybody did anything wrong with
Speaker 2: how the roster came together, But I also feel like
Speaker 2: we may learn in a couple of years, maybe this year,
Speaker 2: that as bad as Louisville was in those two seasons.
Speaker 2: Talent was not the problem. So this year, I think
Speaker 2: you are a little less talented as far as just
Speaker 2: god given ability, size, athleticism, But you also have mature
Speaker 2: players who are coachable that will probably respond to this
Speaker 2: loss in a really good way. And that kind of
Speaker 2: stuff matters now when it comes to the big that's
Speaker 2: at Charleston. You know, I thought about I thought about
Speaker 2: asking about that, but I'm gonna stay out of it.
Speaker 2: But Pat Kelcey last year had a really good team
Speaker 2: and that's of course one of the reasons why he
Speaker 2: was on the radar for Josh hurt Well last year
Speaker 2: as a as a junior and tay Ata Brazovich. He's
Speaker 2: a six ' ten two and twenty five pound big
Speaker 2: who has got some shooting touch, but he's a big,
Speaker 2: physical presence. He was their best player at Charleston last year.
Speaker 2: He ended up being All Conference. I mean, he was
Speaker 2: really really good. His stats last year for Pat Kelsey
Speaker 2: he played in let's see here, he played in last
Speaker 2: year great live radio. Right looking up stats of a
Speaker 2: guy that you know what they're coming for. Yeah, So
Speaker 2: last year at Charleston he played in thirty five games
Speaker 2: and he averaged let's see, twelve points and roughly six
Speaker 2: and a half boards shot it, you know, forty percent
Speaker 2: from the field. I mean, this is somebody that was
Speaker 2: good at Charleston that maybe Pat Kelsey didn't think could
Speaker 2: play at this level, or maybe he wanted him to
Speaker 2: come here, and the kid said, look, I have no
Speaker 2: clue who Pat wanted to come with him from Charleston,
Speaker 2: but he brought three guys. He brought Rain Smith, he
Speaker 2: brought James Scott, and then Kobe Rodgers I think is
Speaker 2: the young man's name who came and transferred, but he's
Speaker 2: sitting out this year because he got hurt in their
Speaker 2: tournament game last year. So this guy was their best player.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure he let him in scoring and he's
Speaker 2: averaging this year thirty points a game for Chris Mack.
Speaker 2: This isn't like a criticism for Pack because I have
Speaker 2: no clue, but I'd be a liar if I didn't
Speaker 2: see that. On Friday night, they played South Florida, a
Speaker 2: team that was pretty good last year and obviously going
Speaker 2: through an awful situation where their coach passed away. But
Speaker 2: you know, he put up thirty something points and a
Speaker 2: dominant win for Charleston and Chris Mack so and again,
Speaker 2: I already know there's people thinking where this guy goes.
Speaker 2: Again he's trying to say they should have brought Chris
Speaker 2: Mack back. Not at all, That's not what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But Louisville really lacked a guy like that, and I
Speaker 2: don't know, and it's not important. You can't go get
Speaker 2: him now. I'm sure there's a reason why he's not
Speaker 2: here if Pat felt like he didn't fit at this
Speaker 2: level and maybe wouldn't be a guy that could could
Speaker 2: do what he did at Charleston when he gets to Louisville,
Speaker 2: because again, he did it against South Florida and he
Speaker 2: had another really good game when they played who was it,
Speaker 2: Southern Illinois in their first game. So yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: to answer your question about this guy, I have no
Speaker 2: clue if he just wanted to stay or if he
Speaker 2: was told he couldn't come with Pat. That's something that
Speaker 2: really isn't relevant. But yeah, I would I'd be a
Speaker 2: liar if I told you that I didn't see that
Speaker 2: guy's position, that guy's production, in his size and not
Speaker 2: think like, man, you really could have used him out there.
Speaker 2: But again, it doesn't, Matt, It's not relevant.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't bring this up to say somebody made a mistake,
Speaker 2: but I thought about asking somebody on both sides, the
Speaker 2: Louisville side or maybe the Charleston side, like hey, just curious,
Speaker 2: did he not want to come or did you have
Speaker 2: to convince him mac to stay there? Like how did
Speaker 2: it work out? Because he's a good player. But again,
Speaker 2: maybe he plays against this Tennessee team that clearly is
Speaker 2: way more talented than Charleston, and way more talented than
Speaker 2: the two teams that Charleston played at this point. Maybe
Speaker 2: he gets exposed like the other guys did. We'll never know,
Speaker 2: but I at least appreciate you asking. All right, This
Speaker 2: text says, with Brom's track record of losing to bad
Speaker 2: teams after pulling off big upsets, how worried should we
Speaker 2: be against Stanford? We talked about that earlier, and I'm
Speaker 2: assuming you weren't listening, And I don't really have any
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess you just hope that that pattern
Speaker 2: doesn't play out. I mean it is a pattern. I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's a streak. I don't know any
Speaker 2: real numbers, but it's happened enough to where you don't
Speaker 2: even have to look up numbers to know that there's
Speaker 2: a pattern of brom getting a big win like he
Speaker 2: did it's Clemson, and then coming out the next game
Speaker 2: and playing down to the competition and losing to sometimes
Speaker 2: bad teams. So what sucks is that the opportunity for
Speaker 2: that pattern to really show itself is right there. Because
Speaker 2: Stanford sucks. You're traveling to the West Coast to play
Speaker 2: a game that's going to be basically at noon on
Speaker 2: the West Coast. Even teams that have gone to Stanford
Speaker 2: and cal this year and one haven't really played well.
Speaker 2: I mean, Miami was lucky to get out of there
Speaker 2: with a win. There's been some other teams that had
Speaker 2: a tough time putting it all together. I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's because of those teams where it's because it's
Speaker 2: a rare trip across the country in the middle of
Speaker 2: the season, when if you're somebody that's been around the
Speaker 2: ACC for a while, this is new usually didn't have
Speaker 2: to go to California to play conference games. So I mean,
Speaker 2: if Jeff knew something along the way when it comes
Speaker 2: to preparation, game planning that led to those underwhelming letdowns happening,
Speaker 2: he would have fixed it, so I don't. I mean,
Speaker 2: clearly it's gonna be brought up. But there's so much
Speaker 2: better than Stanford that I just hope that, like at halftime,
Speaker 2: you're not even thinking like we can start the post
Speaker 2: game show if we wanted to. I mean, we really
Speaker 2: wouldn't do that. But that's my hope. And it's not
Speaker 2: like you're worried about are they good enough? You know,
Speaker 2: can they stop Stanford? Can they go on the road
Speaker 2: and win where it's tough to win against? I mean no,
Speaker 2: like Stanford sucks. We know that Loibo's better than them.
Speaker 2: Them being able to actually beat them. I mean I
Speaker 2: know they can and I think they will, but I
Speaker 2: don't even know what the reaction would be if they
Speaker 2: somehow have a letdown. I mean that point, you'd probably
Speaker 2: say you're cursed if you're Jeff Bram. All right, quick break,
Speaker 2: we'll come back. Been as strong here on a Veterans
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Speaker 2: All right, So, I mean I'm a little not I
Speaker 2: don't know people who text into this show, people who
Speaker 2: are on Twitter, people who are calling into this show
Speaker 2: after a game, like I never and I wish we
Speaker 2: had a collective understanding that really no matter where you
Speaker 2: are going to get reaction, meeting online, the local bar, work,
Speaker 2: family friends, social media, radio, like wherever you are getting
Speaker 2: a sample of what Louisville fans feel like, Like, well,
Speaker 2: we need to know that no matter what the medium is,
Speaker 2: it doesn't represent a humongous group. So that's the disclaimer
Speaker 2: for what I'm about to say, which is that I'm
Speaker 2: a little surprised that they're The reaction on the text
Speaker 2: line since Saturday's post game show has been pretty negative,
Speaker 2: but you know it's not. I think it just as
Speaker 2: a reminder that, like, no matter what went on in
Speaker 2: the last couple of years, how bad things were, there's
Speaker 2: always going to be an expectation that when you play
Speaker 2: good teams, not that you win every single time, but
Speaker 2: that you compete and you're competitive, and you know, you
Speaker 2: don't find yourself losing bout twenty two points at home.
Speaker 2: So I get it. There's still real disappointment, and Pat
Speaker 2: Kelsey's just as disappointed as anybody, and that doesn't make
Speaker 2: you feel better now, but hey, that's the first step
Speaker 2: in figuring out how you can keep it from happening again.
Speaker 2: So you know, I don't want to make it sound
Speaker 2: as if people are jumping off a cliff like this
Speaker 2: is going to be a terrible season because they're not
Speaker 2: really doing that. But you know, losing by twenty two
Speaker 2: points in a game that you were never really in.
Speaker 2: The TV timeout was the first stoppage and you hadn't
Speaker 2: scored yet. I think they had what nine or something
Speaker 2: like that, and then from then on it was just
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Speaker 2: this tech says, I know the conference decides the schedules
Speaker 2: for everyone, so maybe the issue is with the with
Speaker 2: the ACC. But how does Louisville go over a month
Speaker 2: without a home game? That kills momentum? Can't be good
Speaker 2: for the administration. Yeah, I don't know how that works,
Speaker 2: but I will agree with you this should never be
Speaker 2: a thing like you should never go over an entire
Speaker 2: month of a twelve game season where you don't have
Speaker 2: a home game. I mean, not only is that not
Speaker 2: seemingly fair to mix in, you know, a home game
Speaker 2: it's also terrible for the folks that you have led to.
Speaker 2: Kind of, look, louisvill let's be real, they're home games lately.
Speaker 2: I mean they lost two home games already this year,
Speaker 2: Like that's unusual. That doesn't happen very often around here,
Speaker 2: even when you aren't very good, Like it's you don't
Speaker 2: lose that many games at home. You lost them to
Speaker 2: some good teams, no doubt about that. So maybe it
Speaker 2: feels like the home slate has been so underwhelming because
Speaker 2: one you already lost two games. The game that was
Speaker 2: the big time game with the good atmosphere was Miami,
Speaker 2: and obviously you came up short there. But yes, I
Speaker 2: would love to be proven wrong. But I'm curious how
Speaker 2: many times that's happened in school history. Or you go
Speaker 2: a month without playing at home. So I'm trying, I
Speaker 2: mean take away like the like I'm you could remove
Speaker 2: the fact that, like the players shouldn't have to go
Speaker 2: this long without playing at home, and they shouldn't have
Speaker 2: this many consecutive games on the road, Like that's not
Speaker 2: even really what it's about for me, and I'm only
Speaker 2: speaking for me. Maybe this person on the text on
Speaker 2: thinks Louisville was at a disadvantage because of that. But
Speaker 2: my thing is like, if you're trying to keep a
Speaker 2: continuous buzz about being at your football games throughout the season,
Speaker 2: and look, sometimes it's tough to do. You can do
Speaker 2: everything on your end to make it seem like the
Speaker 2: place to be with promotions, you know, themes, whatever you
Speaker 2: want to do. If you're playing a team nobody cares
Speaker 2: about and it's at noon and the weather's crappy, like,
Speaker 2: that's just never going to be a big time draw
Speaker 2: for Louisville football, at least I don't think it will be. Like,
Speaker 2: what makes it even harder is that Louisville really on paper,
Speaker 2: only had one real intriguing home game the rest of
Speaker 2: the Sea or on the on the honestly, yeah, you
Speaker 2: only had one home game that you looked at before
Speaker 2: the season started and felt like, Okay, that'll probably be
Speaker 2: a pretty big time game. And that was Miami. And
Speaker 2: that one came and gone and now you you know,
Speaker 2: you've lost. So I would say that the crowd for
Speaker 2: next Saturday when you take on Pitt, the scenario where
Speaker 2: it ends up being a pretty good crowd one you
Speaker 2: win against Stanford and hopefully you do it with very
Speaker 2: little trouble. Weather needs to be in a pretty good spot,
Speaker 2: right like we can get some like peak fall weather, right, hoodies, jeans,
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. We don't have to worry about
Speaker 2: being too hot, which I don't think were gonna have
Speaker 2: to worry about that, or we don't have to worry about,
Speaker 2: you know, it being too cold, and people realize, hey,
Speaker 2: this is the last chance you get to see this team.
Speaker 2: You know, the last two times you had home games,
Speaker 2: they were pretty deflating because you were coming off a
Speaker 2: loss to Notre Dame and then you turn around a
Speaker 2: loss to SMU right. Well, then from there you were
Speaker 2: able to bounce back and beat Virginia, but then you
Speaker 2: end up bringing in Miami and you know, you lost
Speaker 2: the game. You weren't expected to win that game. But overall,
Speaker 2: you know that was you know, it was a letdown.
Speaker 2: So you only get one more chance to see this team.
Speaker 2: The morale and the energy with Louisville football is clearly
Speaker 2: in a much better place now than it was a
Speaker 2: few weeks ago, because they did go on the road
Speaker 2: and beat Clemson for the first time. They're in the
Speaker 2: top twenty five and just about every ranking, and they've
Speaker 2: got the real possibly the expectation should be to win
Speaker 2: out right. I know the Kentucky game is weird to
Speaker 2: some and it's weird to me because here we are
Speaker 2: for a second straight year where you're looking at a
Speaker 2: chance to break that streak, and you feel like it
Speaker 2: You feel like it should be just a given that
Speaker 2: you win, given where they are and given where you are.
Speaker 2: But we saw how it played out last year. So
Speaker 2: the fact that they are in a position now to
Speaker 2: finish strong, they already they've already, by the way, Louisville
Speaker 2: before they play Stanford their schedule right now, and it'll
Speaker 2: change after Stanford, of Stanford's that bad, it'll change after
Speaker 2: they play Pittsburgh and Kentucky. But as of right now,
Speaker 2: Louis's played a top fifteen schedule in the country. So
Speaker 2: the reason why they lost those games isn't just because
Speaker 2: they made mistakes and they were still trying to put
Speaker 2: it all together. But they played good teams. And now
Speaker 2: you can't just go in and expect to just cruise
Speaker 2: over anybody left on your schedule, but you've played teams
Speaker 2: that are substantially better than every team that you than
Speaker 2: every team you have left on the schedule, so they
Speaker 2: should win out. And I'd love to see this team
Speaker 2: on a senior day go out and put a butt
Speaker 2: whooping on Pitt. I mean, easier said than done, but
Speaker 2: clearly there's some revenge on the mind for Jeff Bram.
Speaker 2: I would assume because you know last year, who knows.
Speaker 2: I mean, you don't lose that game. I mean, I
Speaker 2: can't really think of what you still made it to
Speaker 2: Charlotte despite having that loss. But anyways, we'll worry about
Speaker 2: that when we get there. But to answer your question,
Speaker 2: I don't know who's to blame for the one month
Speaker 2: gap between home games, but not ideal and I would
Speaker 2: not be shocked to find out that, like other power
Speaker 2: for programs, didn't have to do that this year. But again,
Speaker 2: I don't know who to take that, you know, anger
Speaker 2: out on. All right, let's take a phone call really
Speaker 2: quickly here before we get to our last break. Let's
Speaker 2: welcome in JB.
Speaker 4: JB.
Speaker 2: You're on Sports Talk seven ninety. What's happening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I've been going to the games season ticket
Speaker 3: holder on and off for forty years. So look, I
Speaker 3: work for JCPS and when I I don't feel like
Speaker 3: going to a new game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand, correctly, something wrong.
Speaker 3: All the games this year have been at noon.
Speaker 2: They've had a couple of three thirties or four o'clocks,
Speaker 2: which I yeah, I was just one. Yeah, well they
Speaker 2: have two now because pitt is going to be at
Speaker 2: three thirty or four. So yeah, up to this point,
Speaker 2: every game at home has been at noon, outside of
Speaker 2: I guess one of those first two games against Nobody's
Speaker 2: uh yeah, yeah Louisville. Louisville Louis's attendance certainly needs to
Speaker 2: be better JB. Like, I think we all know that.
Speaker 2: But man, the schedule and just the situation did not
Speaker 2: make it easy for U of L as an administration
Speaker 2: to make. These noon games are an easy, easy thing
Speaker 2: for people to just turn down and say, yeah, I'll
Speaker 2: go to the next time.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, man, come on, I mean, uh so,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna end up going to pen That's gonna be
Speaker 3: the only game I go to. And uh I go
Speaker 3: to the least three every year. Now, I'm not a
Speaker 3: stick of season ticket holder anymore. I've been there, done that.
Speaker 2: I understand.
Speaker 3: I just no so, but I you know, I think
Speaker 3: the schedule. Uh, and I know some of us dictated
Speaker 3: by television has been quite a crock And yeah, it's
Speaker 3: just you know, I don't I'm not pointing fingers at anybody,
Speaker 3: but that's why you're attending. You need to do something
Speaker 3: a little better for these three thirty games that you know,
Speaker 3: that's what we like and I can make those. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I appreciate you bringing it up.
Speaker 1: That's why I wanted to call in.
Speaker 3: Good talking to you, Nick.
Speaker 2: Thanks, I appreciate the call.
Speaker 1: My man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, there's so many people just like him that
Speaker 2: I feel like some fans think like, what what do
Speaker 2: you mean, what can't you come at noon? Well, because
Speaker 2: it's my life, it's my time, and I I don't
Speaker 2: want to. I'm still gonna watch it at home, and
Speaker 2: I'm going to be a fan. Like I think a
Speaker 2: lot of people are like that. They just they're gonna
Speaker 2: decide which games they feel like it's worth them investing
Speaker 2: their money in and utilizing whatever income they have to
Speaker 2: buy tickets and whatnot. That's that's just the new That's
Speaker 2: just I think that's society. That's not a problem.
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