WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.520 --> 00:00:05.839 It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Belgium vs. Boston's 2 00:00:05.919 --> 00:00:06.519 News radio. 3 00:00:08.919 --> 00:00:12.720 Big story out of New York City today was the 4 00:00:15.679 --> 00:00:23.480 trial of Sean Diddy Combs. This was a federal court trial, 5 00:00:24.079 --> 00:00:29.199 which is the big leagues, and Combs was fortunate enough 6 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:35.079 to basically win be acquitted on some of the more 7 00:00:35.119 --> 00:00:39.840 serious charges, but convicted nonetheless in federal court. And late 8 00:00:39.880 --> 00:00:46.399 today the judge in the case denied Combs any bail, 9 00:00:46.719 --> 00:00:49.000 so he will have to remain in a Brooklyn jail cell, 10 00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:54.560 facing now two criminal charges for which he could spend 11 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:58.240 some significant time in jail. He has been in jail 12 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:05.200 since last September. With us is attorney Jeremy Rosenthal. Attorney Rosenthal, 13 00:01:05.280 --> 00:01:06.079 Welcome to the Nightside. 14 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:08.879 How are you, thanks, Dan? How are you? I'm doing great, 15 00:01:09.280 --> 00:01:09.719 doing great. 16 00:01:09.799 --> 00:01:09.959 Now. 17 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:13.560 I know that you practice in federal court in several 18 00:01:13.680 --> 00:01:17.519 federal court districts. When I say it's the big leagues, 19 00:01:17.599 --> 00:01:21.599 it's it's it's tough to get acquittals in federal court 20 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:25.280 because they generally try to have all the ducts in 21 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:28.519 a row. Are you surprised at the verdict today. We'll 22 00:01:28.560 --> 00:01:30.400 get to the specifics of the case, but I just 23 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:33.519 want to ask you that overarching question, are you surprised 24 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:36.599 that sort of a kind of got a compromise verdict today? 25 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:42.079 A little bit, anytime the FED lose, you kind of 26 00:01:42.079 --> 00:01:44.560 scratch your head and you sort of wonder what went 27 00:01:44.599 --> 00:01:48.959 wrong on the bigger cases like this, on the on 28 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:52.480 the more high profile cases, maybe there's a little more 29 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:56.519 impetus for them to overreach a bit, and and maybe 30 00:01:56.519 --> 00:02:00.159 that's what happened here. When I'm when I'm eyeballing this 31 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:03.840 case and I'm looking at it just from the outset, 32 00:02:03.920 --> 00:02:06.519 when they start off with the raids and the warrants, 33 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:10.120 and I'm like, and I'm thinking, Okay, we've got a 34 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:13.879 guy who is that they're accusing of a whole lot 35 00:02:13.879 --> 00:02:17.360 of trash. They're accusing this guy of everything under the sun. 36 00:02:17.479 --> 00:02:26.280 That's fine, But hiring prostitutes, sex assault, spousal domestic abuse, 37 00:02:26.439 --> 00:02:30.680 or or or intimate partner violence. These types of things 38 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:34.439 are crimes, but they're usually not federal crimes. And so 39 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:36.599 you've got to have a trigger. You've got to have 40 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:41.199 something that crosses the threshold that makes him federal. That's 41 00:02:41.240 --> 00:02:45.199 going to be business enterprises, that's going to be interstate commerce. 42 00:02:45.919 --> 00:02:49.479 And I kept waiting to see that develop. I kept 43 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:53.560 waiting to see those types of connections kind of come 44 00:02:53.599 --> 00:02:57.599 to fruition, and they just never did. So. In some ways, 45 00:02:57.599 --> 00:02:58.039 I am and. 46 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:01.240 I'm not a council. He did move, if I'm not mistaken, 47 00:03:01.759 --> 00:03:08.439 some other participants, whether they were all cooperating voluntarily or 48 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:11.680 under some level of duress, moved them across state lines. 49 00:03:11.719 --> 00:03:16.120 He flew people from different point A to point b. Uh. 50 00:03:16.159 --> 00:03:20.639 And that is technically the hook that that that got 51 00:03:20.719 --> 00:03:23.159 him into indicted in federal in federal. 52 00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:27.639 Court under the Man Act. Yes, which that's that's ultimately 53 00:03:27.639 --> 00:03:30.919 what he got convicted of. And anytime anytime you move 54 00:03:31.039 --> 00:03:34.479 somebody from from one state to another for an illegal 55 00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:39.400 sexual purpose, regardless of gender, you're gonna be guilty of 56 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:42.000 a Man Act violation. And that's ultimately what they got 57 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:44.680 him on. But they didn't get him on the racketeering, 58 00:03:44.719 --> 00:03:47.360 they didn't get him on the rico and uh and 59 00:03:47.759 --> 00:03:49.719 those were some of the bigger charges that they were 60 00:03:49.719 --> 00:03:52.319 hoping for. Uh So, so they got some of the 61 00:03:52.360 --> 00:03:56.439 lower hanging stuff. And I anybody who thinks that this 62 00:03:56.560 --> 00:04:00.120 is a win for Diddy Combs in a year he 63 00:04:00.159 --> 00:04:05.800 sentenced his they set his sentencing in October. They're not 64 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:08.560 they're in no hurry to do this, and he's waiting 65 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:12.000 in jail for this in a year, in two years 66 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:14.280 and three years, when he's still in jail, this is 67 00:04:14.319 --> 00:04:16.240 not going to feel like that big of a victory 68 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:16.600 for him. 69 00:04:16.879 --> 00:04:18.600 Right, And by the way, let's make it very clear. 70 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:21.600 The Man Act is m a and not named after 71 00:04:21.879 --> 00:04:25.600 a particular agender, but named after a form a congressman 72 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:27.240 from Illinois whose last name was. 73 00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:30.560 Made And they're targeting they're targeting all of us, right, 74 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:31.240 it's the Man. 75 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:35.519 Yeah, so he want to clarify that, Okay, it's just 76 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:40.839 just for sure. Yeah, you're pretty sure. I guess in 77 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:47.480 theory he faces up to twenty years. He's not going 78 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:48.480 to get twenty years here. 79 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:51.920 I don't think he gets well, I don't think he 80 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:57.000 gets twenty. I don't think he gets two. We'll see 81 00:04:57.000 --> 00:04:59.319 where this where they hit him on the federal sentencing 82 00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:02.600 guidelines that that's going to be the big fight. 83 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:03.199 Yeah. 84 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:07.079 Well, the other question is he's already served nine months 85 00:05:07.160 --> 00:05:12.600 or ten months. He was arrested last September. So whatever 86 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:16.920 he gets sentenced, I assume that his incarceration pre trial 87 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:20.839 incarceration is going to is going to offset whatever that 88 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:23.399 sentence is he gets. 89 00:05:23.480 --> 00:05:26.160 Yeah, he'll definitely get credit for the time that he 90 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:29.680 is spent in And and for those who don't know 91 00:05:29.879 --> 00:05:32.399 kind of talking about the federal sense, let's let's talk 92 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:36.040 about the federal sensing guidelines per minute. Do you want 93 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:38.560 the long story or the short story for everybody? I 94 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:40.000 know you know it, Dan, but yeah. 95 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:41.560 Coming up, we're coming up on a break. We'll take 96 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:43.720 the abbreviated version and then we can amplify on it 97 00:05:43.759 --> 00:05:44.279 after the break. 98 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:46.839 If you like a right head, sure thing that the 99 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:51.800 federal sentencing guidelines are a matrix and it's a it's 100 00:05:51.879 --> 00:05:56.240 like an Excel spreadsheet that that that everybody's crime in 101 00:05:56.319 --> 00:05:58.920 federal court. They're going to put you into a box 102 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:02.720 somewhere on that and that's going to dictate a range 103 00:06:02.759 --> 00:06:07.120 of punishment, usually in months, and it's going to be 104 00:06:07.120 --> 00:06:09.399 the level of severity of the crime. It's going to 105 00:06:09.480 --> 00:06:12.680 be your criminal history that gets factored into it. Uh, 106 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:16.920 if you are an organizer of the criminal enterprise, you 107 00:06:16.959 --> 00:06:20.000 get more points, If you cooperate with the Feds, you 108 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:23.680 get less points. And the judge determines where you fit 109 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:25.800 in that and that's that's your sentence. 110 00:06:26.439 --> 00:06:32.160 Yeah. Uh, and his there's a lot of video. He's 111 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:37.240 got videotape in this case, pretty brutal videotape. And there's 112 00:06:37.240 --> 00:06:40.639 probably videotapes that the jurors saw that you and I 113 00:06:40.680 --> 00:06:45.759 will never say. But the videotape of him throwing the 114 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:48.240 woman on the ground in the hotel while he's wearing 115 00:06:48.759 --> 00:06:52.920 a bath towel around his waist and kicking her, that 116 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:54.279 has to come in as a factor. 117 00:06:54.360 --> 00:06:58.000 I think that's going to come in as relevant conduct. 118 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:01.720 That's one of the things when lawyers are fighting in 119 00:07:01.839 --> 00:07:05.240 federal court most of the time, what they're fighting over 120 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:09.439 are the federal sentencing guidelines, and they're and they're debating 121 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:14.600 things like relevant conduct and relevant conduct doesn't necessarily have 122 00:07:14.759 --> 00:07:19.079 to be a conviction, and that that's a really contentious 123 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:22.920 point because we have due process rights. We have the 124 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:26.199 right to confront our accusers. We have the right to 125 00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:32.199 have allegations proven against us beyond a reasonable doubt, and 126 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:34.639 to some degree not to to to kind of put 127 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:37.759 it way out there, Uh, can you bring in my 128 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:41.480 fourth grade dental records and and and enhance my my 129 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:45.600 my sentence for that well, in theory, you kind of could. 130 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:48.480 So that's where a lot of the lawyering happens. That 131 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:51.240 that that's where the fight's gonna go from here. 132 00:07:51.399 --> 00:07:53.519 But in but in this case, I mean that that 133 00:07:53.720 --> 00:07:57.319 videotape of him pursuing the woman by the elevator who's 134 00:07:57.360 --> 00:08:01.480 trying to leave who who, then he decided that it 135 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:04.959 would be a good idea to toss her to the ground. Uh, 136 00:08:05.120 --> 00:08:09.279 and then dragger attempt a kicker and then Dragger and 137 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:13.560 he's a big guy, you know, complete to her. There's 138 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:16.879 there's no criminal conduct for which there's a conviction there. 139 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:20.680 But this is plain and plain at day and uh, yeah, 140 00:08:21.480 --> 00:08:24.720 you know, I don't know how the judge can ignore 141 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:25.800 that or minimize that. 142 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:29.920 No, yeah, and it's something that that that the judge 143 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:33.759 can absolutely take into consideration. Exactly to your point, Dan, 144 00:08:34.039 --> 00:08:38.639 there's no conviction necessarily for that, but that doesn't mean 145 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:39.960 that the judge can't hit him for. 146 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:43.399 It, right, And I believe that that took place several 147 00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:47.320 years ago, so I'm sure that the statue limitations has 148 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:50.639 long since transplanted on that. If people are saying, well, 149 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:52.759 why didn't they charge him with that? And that would 150 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:55.039 not have been a federal crime. Either way, we will 151 00:08:55.080 --> 00:08:57.759 take a break. My guest is Attorney Jeremy Rosenthal. We're 152 00:08:57.799 --> 00:09:01.080 talking about the Sean Diddy case. There was a verdict 153 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:06.440 that was announced today number one, and the judge decided 154 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:11.720 post verdict, after a break in court that John Dittycombs 155 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:16.639 would remain in jail. Obviously, that can be appealed, and 156 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:18.919 I'm sure that his lawyers will be working on an 157 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:22.000 appeal on that, but he should he is. Sentencing date 158 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:25.320 is October third, so he's going to spend at least 159 00:09:25.360 --> 00:09:27.440 a year in jail and then see what the sentence is. 160 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:30.039 For those of you who aren't familiar with the case, 161 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:34.480 this is pretty freaky stuff. And Jeremy and I have 162 00:09:34.639 --> 00:09:38.399 kind of tiptoed around the substance of the crimes that 163 00:09:38.480 --> 00:09:41.159 have been alleged and in many cases the crimes for 164 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:45.600 which he was acquitted, but the underlying fact pattern is 165 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:50.399 pretty interesting. Will again try to deal with it as 166 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:54.240 best we can. Your comments, your questions would be appreciated. 167 00:09:54.279 --> 00:09:57.600 Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, 168 00:09:57.639 --> 00:10:00.080 one ten thirty. My name's Dan Ray. This is Nightside 169 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:02.120 on a Wednesday night. Feels like a Friday to me, 170 00:10:02.200 --> 00:10:04.559 because I'm off for the rest of the week. Coming 171 00:10:04.639 --> 00:10:08.000 back right after this brief commercial break. 172 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:13.519 You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's 173 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:14.759 news radio. 174 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:18.159 My guess is Attorney Jeremy rosehal before we go to 175 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:22.120 phone calls councilor how tough the case was this to defend? 176 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:26.840 I mean, this involved some pretty bizarre behavior. These were 177 00:10:27.279 --> 00:10:30.720 sex parties that went on for days. They were called 178 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:37.480 freak offs, and it involved, according to the indictment, Sean 179 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:44.279 Diddy Combs spending money on male prostitutes to have sex 180 00:10:44.600 --> 00:10:49.639 with some of his girlfriends. It was in terms of weird, 181 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:53.200 I get eleven off the chart on a scale of 182 00:10:53.279 --> 00:10:58.759 zero to ten. Nobody should be questioning other people's private behavior, 183 00:10:58.799 --> 00:10:59.960 but this was pretty weird. 184 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:08.679 A trial is, in my mind, it's an emotional battlefield. 185 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:14.039 We are in America in the world. 186 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:15.559 We make our. 187 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:18.559 Decision first, and then we make the facts to fit it. 188 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:20.639 I wish it was the other way around. This is 189 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:24.960 why AI will never take my job, because I might 190 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:27.480 be able to fast talk a jury out of convicting 191 00:11:27.559 --> 00:11:30.360 somebody who was on a police chase and wound up 192 00:11:30.360 --> 00:11:33.039 in a swimming pool, you know, with their car and 193 00:11:34.279 --> 00:11:38.600 in AI listens to facts, but people don't. The big 194 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:43.080 challenge in defending this case is the title wave of 195 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:49.120 negative towards p. Diddy. If he's your client and he 196 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:55.559 is thoroughly unlikable, he has committed atrocity after atrocity, and 197 00:11:55.639 --> 00:12:01.440 the state this case is one giant mud sling against him, 198 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:04.679 and it's very hard to get a jury to relate 199 00:12:04.720 --> 00:12:06.480 to that. It's very hard to get a jury to 200 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:10.600 understand that. And if you if you wanted to prove, 201 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:15.919 if you wanted to convict somebody who is that loathesome, 202 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:18.519 if you want to convict him of anything, you could 203 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:22.320 do it or or or or that's the worry of 204 00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:25.480 his lawyers, and and so it's always hard to redirect 205 00:12:25.559 --> 00:12:29.320 juries to facts, and it's hard to get that counterbalance 206 00:12:29.399 --> 00:12:32.320 to say, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, this is 207 00:12:32.399 --> 00:12:36.200 too much right at some point, at some point, this 208 00:12:36.360 --> 00:12:40.240 is just too aggressive. That's a hard argument to make. 209 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:48.000 Uh, too aggressive, counselor from from the perspective of whom the. 210 00:12:47.919 --> 00:12:54.200 Prosecution you from, right from from the government, and to say, listen, 211 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:58.720 uh an analogy that that that I that that you 212 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:01.799 can use in a trial, as you can say, look, uh, 213 00:13:02.919 --> 00:13:05.399 at some point you got a bad kid in the 214 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:09.679 store and you see mom or dad disciplining him. Okay, 215 00:13:10.039 --> 00:13:12.360 maybe the kid opened a candy bar in the middle 216 00:13:12.399 --> 00:13:16.200 of store or or something did something bad. Okay, but 217 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:18.720 at some point you beat the kid too hard, right, 218 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:22.919 at some point enough uh, and and and so uh 219 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:26.120 for we all. I'm a big believer in the scales 220 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:28.559 of justice, and I really do think that juries go 221 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:33.519 back there when they deliberate, and they they will always 222 00:13:34.879 --> 00:13:37.480 kind of come up with the right balance or or 223 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:39.679 or what in their mind is the right balance, and 224 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:43.000 the punishment has to fit the crime. If I were 225 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:46.279 to suggest, and this is we have a we have 226 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:48.840 an old you know my my practice is we're not 227 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:52.039 in the country, but we have an old probate judge 228 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:54.120 who was as bonkers as he could be. And he 229 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:56.799 had the perfect analogy for this. He says, if you 230 00:13:56.919 --> 00:14:01.960 made drinking alcohol a crime punishable by death, and then 231 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:06.080 you caught somebody on video with alcohol in their breath, 232 00:14:06.159 --> 00:14:08.759 with the can in their hand, and then you fingerprint 233 00:14:08.799 --> 00:14:11.159 that and you just prove it a waste till Sunday 234 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:14.720 a jury will acquit them because they do not agree 235 00:14:14.720 --> 00:14:17.559 that death is appropriate for that. Fine, if it was 236 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:21.120 a five dollars fine, they're gonna convict them, right, So 237 00:14:21.399 --> 00:14:23.559 at some point it's got to balance out. 238 00:14:23.759 --> 00:14:26.440 So there's the modicum what you're saying, you have faith 239 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:28.799 in the jury system, and there's a modicum a public 240 00:14:29.559 --> 00:14:33.720 of common sense amongst Yeah, any twelve twelve Americans. All right, 241 00:14:33.759 --> 00:14:35.440 let's go to some phone call see what people have 242 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:40.679 to say. We'll start it off with Joe Is in Belmont, Massachusetts. 243 00:14:40.679 --> 00:14:44.879 Show you're on with attorney Jeremy Rosenthal talking about the 244 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:49.399 Sean Diddy Comb's case. Dan, I just called to wish 245 00:14:49.440 --> 00:14:52.639 you a happy birthday July eighth, and God bless you 246 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:55.360 and all you loved ones. Well, thank you very much. Show. 247 00:14:55.399 --> 00:14:57.320 That's very kind of you. But do you have a 248 00:14:57.360 --> 00:15:00.799 comment on Sean Diddy Combs. I just want to tell 249 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:02.279 you Jesus love you, Dan. 250 00:15:02.480 --> 00:15:03.919 Bye, Thank you very much. 251 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:07.600 John great nice. Well. I guess that that's a happy birthday, 252 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:08.879 wish that's happy birthday. 253 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:10.360 Happy birthday coming up here? 254 00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:12.919 Yeah, oh yeah, July eighth. Let me tell you me 255 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:15.919 and Nelson Rockefeller. Of course Rockefeller had all the money. 256 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:19.559 Let me let me go to Carol and Randolph. Hey, Carol, 257 00:15:19.600 --> 00:15:20.320 how are you tonight? 258 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:23.879 I'm great, Dan, thanks for taking my call. 259 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:27.360 You're ready, You're welcome, and you're with attorney Jeremy Rosenthal. 260 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:30.120 We're talking about the Sean Dinny Coombs case. Your comment. 261 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:34.960 My comment is, you know, I wasn't surprised that he 262 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:40.080 got off because, I mean, Rico is a really hard 263 00:15:40.159 --> 00:15:43.840 case to prove, and one guy with a Rico case 264 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:48.799 didn't see it. But I am just so happy that 265 00:15:48.919 --> 00:15:53.799 he got convicted at least two charges. I mean, to 266 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:59.919 expose the debauchery and what these people do. I mean, 267 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:04.159 I raised two boys that are in their thirties now 268 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:08.159 when this rap music was coming up and with all 269 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:12.480 the derogatory terms and everything, and it disturbed me. But 270 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:16.679 I was like, okay, open mind, it's your music. But 271 00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:21.639 the lifestyle and all of this, I'm like, thank god 272 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:24.440 my kids got through it and didn't fall into this. 273 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:28.080 I'm just yeah, well, you know, I think I think 274 00:16:28.120 --> 00:16:29.720 what you're referring to there was there were a lot 275 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:32.159 of misogynistic lyrics. 276 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:34.879 Yes, yes, no, I. 277 00:16:34.759 --> 00:16:39.080 Mean, and he in that videotape sort of became the 278 00:16:39.159 --> 00:16:43.960 personification of that misogynistic action when he beat that woman. 279 00:16:44.759 --> 00:16:48.840 Uh yeah, I'm just glad that he's exposed for what 280 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:54.639 he is. And I mean, yeah, these women were young 281 00:16:54.799 --> 00:16:59.240 and they wanted to make a career and he abused them. Yeah, 282 00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:03.679 everybody knows that. And but is a criminal. I mean, 283 00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:07.880 the whole industry should be. I mean, they're they're like 284 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:12.240 the next thing to the porn industry. I mean, my god, 285 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:15.440 it's I mean both. 286 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:17.759 Both of which you're protected by our First Amendment in 287 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:18.880 many respects. 288 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:22.839 I know they are, I know they are, But I mean, 289 00:17:23.440 --> 00:17:26.400 let him, let him spend I don't know what he's 290 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:29.440 going to be sentenced to. I hope it's at least 291 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:35.279 a few years. But you can't have young kids glorifying 292 00:17:35.799 --> 00:17:38.240 these rap stars. 293 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:45.200 And jet Truny Rosenthal's reaction, Jeremy, this is I think 294 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:48.440 someone who would have been a pretty fair juror on 295 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:51.880 this case. I don't know if you agree or not. Well, 296 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:56.000 I think that she is pretty typical of I think 297 00:17:56.039 --> 00:17:58.599 what most where most people land on this topic. 298 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:02.200 She was alluding to is kind of the whole point 299 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:06.839 of the prosecution, which is that it's the structure, right, 300 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:11.240 It's the it's the organized we're going to pay people, 301 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:15.720 We're going to move people, We're going to have these parties. 302 00:18:16.200 --> 00:18:21.720 It it it it tried to the prosecution tried to 303 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:24.519 put more form, if you will, or to give a 304 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:25.720 shape to. 305 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:27.759 P. 306 00:18:27.960 --> 00:18:32.400 Diddy and his entities or his organization and and essentially 307 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:33.799 label the mafia. 308 00:18:34.160 --> 00:18:42.400 Right, look at what you did, Carol, Carolis finish his 309 00:18:42.400 --> 00:18:44.160 comment that I want to hear what you I want 310 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:47.319 you to. 311 00:18:46.039 --> 00:18:49.440 Ca Yeah, Carol, don't don't give me your address because 312 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:51.160 I'll send you my bill and you don't want that, 313 00:18:51.319 --> 00:18:55.680 you know, I'm kidding. I'm kidding, okay, but uh, you know, 314 00:18:55.920 --> 00:18:57.599 And to your point, Carol, I think you make a 315 00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:01.680 very valid point, which is that that that the government here, 316 00:19:01.720 --> 00:19:04.359 what they tried to do is they tried to essentially 317 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:07.519 label what he did he did as an organization, as 318 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:11.359 an entity, as sort of a movement. Now, obviously you 319 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:15.359 can't label an entire industry that way, and and and 320 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:19.160 and just as and I'm sure uh as as you know, 321 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:22.920 there are there are wonderful artists and wonderful musicians that 322 00:19:22.920 --> 00:19:26.400 that performed in that genre he did. He's obviously not 323 00:19:26.440 --> 00:19:30.279 one of them. Uh, But but I think that that's 324 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:33.160 sort of what the government's point was was that this 325 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:36.119 is a that this that there that that it is 326 00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:40.240 beyond a bad man. It is a bad man who 327 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:43.759 is using other people to do bad things and to 328 00:19:43.839 --> 00:19:49.480 hurt people. And that was sort of where this case broke. Yes, 329 00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:53.039 he's going to face justice for for the people that 330 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:54.519 he hurt and a lot of what he did, but 331 00:19:54.519 --> 00:19:56.880 he's not gonna he's not going to be punished for 332 00:19:57.000 --> 00:19:59.000 things that I don't think. I think we are a 333 00:19:59.039 --> 00:20:04.480 lot more controversial. Is he this arch criminal or is 334 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:05.279 he just a jerk? 335 00:20:05.640 --> 00:20:06.119 I don't know. 336 00:20:07.480 --> 00:20:10.279 Yeah, we definitely a jerk. No dog, Go ahead, Carrol, 337 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:11.559 final word, go ahead. 338 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:16.640 Well, no, I hope he does some time for it. 339 00:20:16.759 --> 00:20:20.200 And I'm just thankful that there are people out there 340 00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:25.920 that understand that this is not normal. And you know, 341 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:30.960 you can idolize singers or rap stores or anything, but 342 00:20:31.200 --> 00:20:35.920 don't idolize the lifestyle. Don't say I enter that as 343 00:20:35.960 --> 00:20:36.359 a kid. 344 00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:39.000 Well said Carol. That sounds to be like you raised 345 00:20:39.000 --> 00:20:40.759 two good sons. Thank you so much for your call. 346 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:46.319 Thank you, Dan, love talking to you. 347 00:20:44.559 --> 00:20:46.680 And we'll take a break. Here's the news at the 348 00:20:46.680 --> 00:20:49.839 bottom of the hour. My guest is attorney Jeremy Rosenthal 349 00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:53.839 talking about the Sean Diddy Comb's case, which today resulted 350 00:20:53.920 --> 00:20:58.319 in two convictions. He faced five indictments, two convictions essentially 351 00:20:58.400 --> 00:21:02.119 Man Act divisions convictions dealing with two separate women. As 352 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:04.559 I understand that I did not follow this case with 353 00:21:04.680 --> 00:21:11.480 any much close it. It was really one of those 354 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:13.599 cases that I didn't have a lot of interest. I 355 00:21:13.599 --> 00:21:16.000 know a lot of people felt to allured aspects of it, 356 00:21:16.039 --> 00:21:20.880 which there certainly were. I get it. I was more 357 00:21:20.920 --> 00:21:23.839 interested in the Karen Reid case. Frankly, we will be 358 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:27.960 back with Attorney Rosenthal and some good callers. We have 359 00:21:28.039 --> 00:21:32.000 three really good callers lined up, including Attorney Harvey Silvergway 360 00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:36.680 from Cambridge, my friend and someone who I respect immensely. 361 00:21:36.720 --> 00:21:38.920 We got Steven Cambridge, one of our top callers, and 362 00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:42.759 Alex from Millis is always excellent. We'll be back on Nightside, ladies. 363 00:21:43.119 --> 00:21:45.319 I hope some of you will follow Carol's example and 364 00:21:45.319 --> 00:21:48.680 give us a call. Six one seven, four thirty, six 365 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:51.200 one seven, nine, three, ten thirty. 366 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:58.519 You're on Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm Boston's News Radio. 367 00:21:58.920 --> 00:22:03.119 Thank you, madisonciate it. We are talking with Attorney Jeremy Rosenthal, 368 00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:07.599 veteran defense attorney, talking about the Sean Diddy Combs convictions. 369 00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:10.160 Aniquittal that came back today. He was convicted on two 370 00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:15.400 or five accounts in this pretty bizarre trial in New 371 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:18.000 York Federal Court. And we are going to get right 372 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:21.160 to the calls. And I'm going to go to Harvey Silverglade, 373 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:29.480 who was a well known to this program, an excellent attorney, 374 00:22:29.799 --> 00:22:33.559 a civil libertarian. Harvey Say had to a Council Rosenthal. 375 00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:37.720 Jeremy Rosenthal even ain't councilor Rosenthal. 376 00:22:38.920 --> 00:22:40.599 Good morning at evening, How are you. 377 00:22:42.279 --> 00:22:47.839 Fine? I have my comment about the cases as follows. 378 00:22:49.279 --> 00:22:53.559 My comment is about the Rico statue. That statute was 379 00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:57.519 acted by Converse in order to fight the mafia, you 380 00:22:57.880 --> 00:23:03.960 will call, and it has since been used and abused 381 00:23:05.400 --> 00:23:10.359 to the point where now it was it was brought 382 00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:14.480 in a in a case of a guy who was 383 00:23:16.400 --> 00:23:21.680 over sexed and who abused some of the people who 384 00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:24.960 were working for him or with him. 385 00:23:25.599 --> 00:23:26.000 Mm hmm. 386 00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:31.400 That is an improper use of a Rico statute. And 387 00:23:31.640 --> 00:23:35.640 I was delighted that the jury, as the jury verdict 388 00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:41.720 that they convicted him but the sexual abuse, but they 389 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:47.079 acquitted him of the racketeering. It was a perfect verdict, 390 00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:53.000 showing again the the the genius of the jury system. 391 00:23:53.599 --> 00:23:55.519 The juris got it exactly right. 392 00:23:57.359 --> 00:23:59.920 I don't think that Council of Roosevelt would necessarily disagree 393 00:23:59.920 --> 00:24:02.200 with the Hoby And for the record, you were never 394 00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:05.200 involved in any of these Sean Diddycomb's freak off. So 395 00:24:05.319 --> 00:24:06.400 let's make that very. 396 00:24:06.279 --> 00:24:09.759 Claire, Okay, right, No, I would not. I would expect 397 00:24:09.839 --> 00:24:11.640 Coster Rosenhold to agree with me. 398 00:24:12.920 --> 00:24:13.960 Yeah, no, I do. 399 00:24:14.200 --> 00:24:14.559 I do. 400 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:19.799 I think that. Yeah, the jury where the government overreached, 401 00:24:19.839 --> 00:24:24.160