WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:01.000 The stakes are so hot. 2 00:00:01.199 --> 00:00:04.320 Average buy in nowadays is around like fifty to sixty thousand. 3 00:00:04.320 --> 00:00:07.160 It's very easy to just lose a few million very fast. 4 00:00:08.039 --> 00:00:10.160 Hey, this is Remco. Thanks for clicking on a video. 5 00:00:10.359 --> 00:00:12.640 This is my brand new podcast called Face the Ace, 6 00:00:12.759 --> 00:00:14.880 in which I talk to the most interesting people in 7 00:00:14.919 --> 00:00:18.160 poker and go a little deeper into the topics you 8 00:00:18.199 --> 00:00:22.320 most care about. Enjoy. Welcome to a brand new episode 9 00:00:22.359 --> 00:00:25.640 of Face the Ace The Ace today, mister Seth Davies. 10 00:00:25.960 --> 00:00:27.519 If you're new to the show, please like the video 11 00:00:27.519 --> 00:00:30.160 subscribe to the channel weekly episodes coming out with some 12 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:33.799 of your favorite players in the game. Seth, good to 13 00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:37.039 have you on the show. The summer, of course, always 14 00:00:37.039 --> 00:00:39.679 a sort of a pivotal moment in the life of 15 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:44.960 every poker player. However, for you guys quote unquote high rollers, 16 00:00:45.799 --> 00:00:48.320 it doesn't seem to carry the same weight that it 17 00:00:48.359 --> 00:00:50.759 does for the rest of the poker world. How do 18 00:00:50.799 --> 00:00:52.439 you view this this time of year? 19 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:56.840 You know, as far as like my total earn as 20 00:00:56.840 --> 00:00:58.079 a poker player, it's not as. 21 00:00:58.039 --> 00:00:59.000 Big as it used to be. 22 00:00:59.039 --> 00:01:01.119 But you know, THEWS is always going to be really 23 00:01:01.200 --> 00:01:03.840 special in everyone's because, you know, is what we all 24 00:01:03.880 --> 00:01:05.799 kind of looked looked up to when we were new 25 00:01:05.799 --> 00:01:08.799 poker players. But yeah, maybe it's not where I would 26 00:01:09.120 --> 00:01:11.599 where I'm playing most of my buyings nowadays. I guess 27 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:14.239 most is usually about a million in buyings for me, 28 00:01:14.280 --> 00:01:16.879 whereas like Triton over the years like over five million. 29 00:01:17.319 --> 00:01:19.959 But you know, I still take it really seriously. It's 30 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:20.519 close to home. 31 00:01:20.599 --> 00:01:23.799 I live here, and the tournaments are incredible, like as 32 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:26.719 far as one hundred k plus no limit WSP is 33 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:29.079 as good as it gets, as far as the field quality, 34 00:01:29.120 --> 00:01:31.280 the softness of the field, So it's definitely something worth 35 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:33.799 taking very very seriously. 36 00:01:33.879 --> 00:01:36.200 But yeah, so I'm loving it, glad to be here. 37 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:40.959 How do you balance the aspirations as it comes to 38 00:01:41.079 --> 00:01:46.879 prestige versus purely financial versus ROI shot taking? Perhaps you 39 00:01:46.920 --> 00:01:48.719 know some fields might not be as great, but you 40 00:01:48.799 --> 00:01:50.799 still want to be in there. Are those all things 41 00:01:50.840 --> 00:01:51.480 that you consider? 42 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:53.719 Yeah, definitely, And I mean that's one of the really 43 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:56.359 cool things about poker, especially at a very high level, 44 00:01:56.480 --> 00:01:58.519 is like we're we're playing a skill game right where 45 00:01:58.599 --> 00:02:04.439 like we're competitors, and I think if you only approach 46 00:02:04.560 --> 00:02:07.040 this game as like money in, money out, like I'm 47 00:02:07.040 --> 00:02:08.879 strictly here to just suck as much money out of 48 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:10.639 as possible. I think that that's just like not the 49 00:02:10.639 --> 00:02:12.360 best type of life to live, at least for me. 50 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:16.199 You know, I like competing. I think like, for example, 51 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:19.039 if I was to go play one hundred K at Triton, 52 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:21.719 that was a very tough one and say, I'm only 53 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:23.919 returning a few percent, So what is that like a 54 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:26.439 few thousand dollars profit? Compare that to going to play 55 00:02:26.479 --> 00:02:28.479 like a really soft five K, where I'm making a 56 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:30.639 similar amount of money, Like I would much more enjoy 57 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:32.400 the hundred k, you know what I mean, because it's 58 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:35.560 a very highly competitive environment that takes a lot of 59 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:37.039 work to get there, it takes a lot of work 60 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:40.520 to stay there, and you're every hand is very stimulating, 61 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:42.280 and like you're like, all right, I'm one on one 62 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:44.599 with an elite player where it's not like Okay, I'm 63 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:46.879 gonna go play this five K and like get top 64 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:48.800 paerent value bet really big. You know, it's just not 65 00:02:48.840 --> 00:02:51.159 as not as stimulating. So and look, at the end 66 00:02:51.199 --> 00:02:53.639 of the day, like you have to make money. You 67 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:54.960 have to make as good a life for you as 68 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:56.719 you should. Like that's you know, one of the reasons 69 00:02:56.800 --> 00:02:58.919 we were all got into poker in the first place 70 00:02:59.080 --> 00:03:01.000 was it was a good opportunity to make a good 71 00:03:01.039 --> 00:03:04.000 living doing something fun, and the sky's the limit. You know, 72 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:05.400 you can make a lot of money doing this. But 73 00:03:06.159 --> 00:03:09.199 I think it should not be understated that, like, it's 74 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:11.479 really cool to be playing a competitive game for a living, 75 00:03:11.520 --> 00:03:13.479 and I think that should be taken seriously. 76 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:16.840 In your sort of high roller universe, or maybe I 77 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:21.240 should even say high roller economy. Is it the case 78 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:24.520 that perhaps you track ROI and value? Do you have 79 00:03:24.520 --> 00:03:27.759 spreadsheets of who you value or you know, if I 80 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:30.400 compare it to blackjack, do you keep count you know 81 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:33.719 plus or minus? How these fields evolve and if so 82 00:03:34.039 --> 00:03:38.360 or if not, how do you assess value and deciding 83 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:40.919 whether you want to play certain events? 84 00:03:41.400 --> 00:03:43.840 Well, for me, I'll pretty much play everything nowadays. You know, 85 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:46.479 it's very very rare that a tournament will come around 86 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:48.120 and I'll be like, Okay, this is just so bad, 87 00:03:48.159 --> 00:03:50.080 I won't even play. It's not never like it would 88 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:53.000 definitely happen, especially with Triton where the rake's a little higher. 89 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:54.719 But they have done a good job of that recently 90 00:03:54.759 --> 00:03:57.639 by they've reduced the on time Rake and like some 91 00:03:57.680 --> 00:04:01.680 of their highest events. But you know, it's the high 92 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:07.319 stakes tournament. Economy is very sensitive, and sometimes you'll show 93 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:08.960 up to it right and then there's just like two 94 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:12.240 or three VIPs there who are just like super blasting 95 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:14.319 and you're just like, holy shit, like this is an 96 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:16.680 incredible Like I'm making so much money just being in 97 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:18.360 this tournament right now because the guy is just like 98 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:21.279 twenty x opening and then just like stacking off every 99 00:04:21.279 --> 00:04:22.800 flop when he has like a gut shot. 100 00:04:22.720 --> 00:04:24.480 Or whatever, you know, like it's just so profitable. 101 00:04:24.759 --> 00:04:27.800 And then the next trip it's like where all the 102 00:04:27.839 --> 00:04:30.079 vap's there's zero, you know, So I'm just like I'm 103 00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:32.040 just the worst player in the field is like a 104 00:04:32.079 --> 00:04:34.959 great player, you know, as far as the whole hierarchy 105 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:39.000 is concerned. So you're constantly kind of you know, doing that. 106 00:04:39.079 --> 00:04:41.040 But for me, it's like I'm pretty much just gonna 107 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:42.920 play no matter who's there. Like if there's a very 108 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:45.040 terrible tournament, yeah, I'll set it out because you know, 109 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:47.800 I play enough poker anyway, but I think I've developed 110 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:49.560 my skill set to the point where I can pretty 111 00:04:49.639 --> 00:04:51.680 much profit in any tournament that runs. 112 00:04:51.839 --> 00:04:57.079 How does the view on buy ins and selling and 113 00:04:57.120 --> 00:05:00.480 perhaps swamping. How has that evolved for you throughout your 114 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:04.079 career and guide us a little bit through how perhaps 115 00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:08.199 your threshold for stakes changed over time and how that 116 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:08.920 works currently. 117 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:11.600 Yeah, I mean the threshold for stakes changes over time 118 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:13.879 for two reasons. One, like you just make more money. Like, 119 00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:15.879 as you're a profitable player, you go through your career, 120 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:17.600 you win money and hopefully you're saving it, and you know, 121 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:20.839 for fortunately for me, i don't have like very expensive tastes, 122 00:05:20.839 --> 00:05:23.399 so I've been able to like accumulate, I'd been able 123 00:05:23.439 --> 00:05:25.800 to level up as I've gone along, having more of 124 00:05:25.839 --> 00:05:28.720 myself and then also swaps compared to just like selling 125 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:32.079 action because you know, selling action obviously you don't take 126 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:35.720 the risk. But yeah, the kind of resilience towards stakes, 127 00:05:36.199 --> 00:05:39.800 I think as my career has progress, I've gotten access 128 00:05:39.879 --> 00:05:42.160 to swapping with better players, I would say, And for 129 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:44.839 me that usually means like a pretty common kind of 130 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:47.680 spread for me would be like fifty percent of myself 131 00:05:47.839 --> 00:05:50.519 ten percent of five other players roughly, So that's like 132 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:52.480 it keeps a good balance of like, yes, I have 133 00:05:52.600 --> 00:05:54.920 much more myself than anybody else, so it's still like 134 00:05:55.480 --> 00:05:58.560 integrity there's no conflict of interest there, but also smooths 135 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:00.519 out a lot of the variants and portly for me, 136 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:04.519 over the years, I've been able to develop relationships and 137 00:06:04.600 --> 00:06:06.720 just my game to the point where I five very 138 00:06:06.759 --> 00:06:10.399 strong players that I can swap with, So that reduces 139 00:06:10.399 --> 00:06:12.439 the variants a lot, right, And it's crazy, Like there's 140 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:18.160 been some discussion recently, like some Triton databases have been 141 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:20.560 made public, which I don't think are entirely accurate, But anyway, 142 00:06:20.600 --> 00:06:23.120 that's we can talk about that later. But and you know, 143 00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:25.160 a lot of extremely good players are down a lot 144 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:27.000 of money, and then obviously a lot of extremely good 145 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:28.959 players are up a crazy amount of money too. So 146 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:34.319 being able to take my variance and distribute that over 147 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:36.800 six players myself and the five others obviously have less 148 00:06:36.800 --> 00:06:38.920 of them than I do myself, but like it makes 149 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:41.120 us a much more realistic way to make money, because 150 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:44.000 you know, like as people can see with that database 151 00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:46.240 that comes out, like people can play ten years, and 152 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:48.079 I think the total number of tournaments in the database 153 00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:50.839 was four hundred, which is a very small sample, you know, 154 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:53.639 and like it takes thousands of tournaments to really let 155 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:54.240 that smooth out. 156 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:58.240 So being able to have that you know, kind of 157 00:06:58.279 --> 00:06:59.600 various distribution is really nice. 158 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:00.839 And the other thing I want to say about that 159 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:04.040 real quick would be like the thing like because whatever, 160 00:07:04.079 --> 00:07:06.399 the internet's the Internet, but like whenever something like that 161 00:07:06.439 --> 00:07:09.600 comes out, like the people are with the Internet are like, oh, 162 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:11.839 these guys are losing money. This is like this is 163 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:15.879 so fake, Like there's such bullshit, and like the thing is, 164 00:07:16.519 --> 00:07:20.680 almost everybody I know who plays high stakes mptts for 165 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:22.800 a living like they make a very good living on 166 00:07:22.879 --> 00:07:26.480 other things, like whether it's coaching or ambassad deals or whatever. 167 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:29.279 So yes, like there's a good point to what people 168 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:30.959 are saying, Like if you only want to play high 169 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:32.920 stakes cernaments for a living, it's I don't know how 170 00:07:32.959 --> 00:07:36.000 good of an idea is that, but like being validated 171 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:38.600 as a world class player, it opens up other opportunities 172 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:41.000 for you. And that's like, you know what I would 173 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:41.839 say about people. 174 00:07:41.680 --> 00:07:43.160 Like how do you do this for a living? Especially 175 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:43.639 with taxes? 176 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:45.839 It's just like not even possible, and like, yeah, it 177 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:48.319 kind of is because mostly because of like site income. 178 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:51.079 I would say that trend list is very interesting, and 179 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:53.439 I think the biggest thing you hit on is the 180 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:55.439 sample size which of course is insane. 181 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:58.160 Yeah, I mean it brings up like thirty seven million, 182 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:00.800 it's like half of the total profit. That's want to trite, 183 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:05.040 and it's obviously like insanely like like three hundred percent 184 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:09.040 ur iers on. It's just so ridiculous. But yeah, yeah, No. 185 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:10.720 This other thing that I wanted to get into in 186 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:16.720 relation to the lack of volume is you know, if 187 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:18.800 I if I put it really bluntly, just for the 188 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:21.720 sake of this conversation, is what's the point to keep 189 00:08:21.759 --> 00:08:25.079 going once you've had a big score, because in a way, 190 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:28.879 you've you know, achieved and unlocked level completed. Let's advance 191 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:31.879 to whether it's you know, a sideways move or into 192 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:36.879 a different direction, because we all know variants is crazy. 193 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:39.679 So the variance of doing it multiple times, of course, 194 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:42.600 you know, the chances of flipping the coin and hitting 195 00:08:42.639 --> 00:08:45.799 tails still remains fifty percent even the second and the 196 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:47.919 third time. But at the same point, the same time, 197 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:51.879 the the I guess risk of ruin or or at 198 00:08:51.960 --> 00:08:57.279 least your future opportunity sort of doesn't really increase after 199 00:08:57.360 --> 00:09:00.360 you've won. So have you ever looked at it like that, 200 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:02.600 Like maybe there's a point and time where I quote 201 00:09:02.679 --> 00:09:03.559 unquote cash out. 202 00:09:04.159 --> 00:09:06.200 Yeah, But I think the problem with that is, like 203 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:09.039 I was saying too, is like once you exit the 204 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:12.039 game and kind of step away from like the highest 205 00:09:12.120 --> 00:09:15.840 level of poker, you're you're just you lose your validation 206 00:09:15.879 --> 00:09:18.279 as a world class player. So those kind of side 207 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:20.559 those those streams of side. 208 00:09:20.360 --> 00:09:21.399 Income go away. Right. 209 00:09:21.600 --> 00:09:24.240 It's like, Okay, if you're you know, say a top 210 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:26.879 thirty player in the world or whatever, you can charge 211 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:29.440 a certain amount to coach people or run a coaching site, 212 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:32.000 or make a master class or start, yeah, start your 213 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:32.720 own coaching. 214 00:09:32.440 --> 00:09:32.840 Site or whatever. 215 00:09:32.879 --> 00:09:35.759 There's this level of credibility obviously, but like as soon 216 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:39.120 as you or as an ambassador, because as an ambassador, 217 00:09:39.159 --> 00:09:42.120 like you're playing on the streams that like everybody's watching. 218 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:43.639 It's a very important part of your. 219 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:46.080 Value as an ambassador, as well as just being visible 220 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:48.639 in general. But as soon as you step away from that, 221 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:51.120 like that kind of goes away, right, Like that that 222 00:09:51.200 --> 00:09:53.960 opportunity dries up. So that is a big part of it, 223 00:09:54.039 --> 00:09:57.200 you know, and poker sites they like to make money. 224 00:09:57.240 --> 00:10:00.320 They like to have people representing their brand, like to 225 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:03.679 make coaching content. It's it's it's great for the masses 226 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:07.720 in a way. So yeah, there is a sense of 227 00:10:07.799 --> 00:10:10.440 like if you do go on this massive heater get 228 00:10:10.519 --> 00:10:14.360 some kind of massive payday, it's like maybe I should 229 00:10:14.360 --> 00:10:17.000 just step away, you know. But at the at the 230 00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:18.679 end of the day, like we kind of talked about 231 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:21.440 at the start, was like for me like that because 232 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:23.679 that's another thing I've seen like a million times. I'm 233 00:10:23.720 --> 00:10:26.440 on social media a lot nowadays because I'm. 234 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:26.919 More active there. 235 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:29.360 But like it's a very funny comment you constantly get 236 00:10:29.399 --> 00:10:31.679 from like casual poker people. They're like, you just won 237 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:34.279 ten million dollars in two months, Like why do you 238 00:10:34.360 --> 00:10:37.279 not retire and just go play? Like one case, I'm 239 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:40.559 just like like that sounds so fucking boring, you know 240 00:10:40.600 --> 00:10:43.639 what I mean, Like like like I spent twenty years 241 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:46.399 working as hard as I can to become like a 242 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:48.480 world class poker player. Now I'm just supposed to be 243 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:50.759 all right, like got a bunch of money. Now I'm 244 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:53.559 just gonna like stop and just like what what might 245 00:10:53.559 --> 00:10:55.559 I spend my time doing. I'm sure I have hobbies 246 00:10:55.600 --> 00:10:57.639 and stuff, but like I love poker. I love being 247 00:10:57.720 --> 00:11:00.759 like competing at like a truly world class level and 248 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:03.639 all the kind of benefits that brings. Like I was saying, 249 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:07.480 it's very satisfying as a person and also monetarily obviously 250 00:11:07.480 --> 00:11:10.320 with coaching and other things. So yeah, there's I just 251 00:11:10.360 --> 00:11:13.639 couldn't really picture myself just like stepping away honestly. 252 00:11:13.559 --> 00:11:17.440 Going through the years you've had in the game. Looking 253 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:20.679 at the numbers. One thing we have to keep in 254 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:23.600 mind is that the buyings have also increased over time. 255 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:26.440 So the average binds you put into a year is 256 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:29.399 crazy compared to let's say ten years ago. But it 257 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:31.120 is kind of interesting. Twenty eighteen you cash for a 258 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:33.080 million and a half. That was your first seven figure year. 259 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:35.639 Since then you've got at least seven figures every year, 260 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:40.039 but then twenty Just to name the numbers here, twenty 261 00:11:40.039 --> 00:11:42.720 twenty was a million, then three point five, five point four, 262 00:11:42.799 --> 00:11:45.120 five point five, nine point one, and then last year 263 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:47.919 twelve point one. I've seen some of your videos, by 264 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:50.039 the way, they're great. Checkout South Davi's YouTube channel, some 265 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:53.759 very good content on there, and you talk through the 266 00:11:53.799 --> 00:11:56.799 insanity of the ups and downs and what goes on 267 00:11:56.840 --> 00:11:57.559 behind the scenes. 268 00:11:57.600 --> 00:11:58.639 As far as you know. 269 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:01.639 One Trident trip might go unnoticed to the general public, 270 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:03.879 but you're stuck three million exactly, so. 271 00:12:04.360 --> 00:12:06.720 A little high, but yeah, there's a lot. The numbers 272 00:12:06.720 --> 00:12:08.480 are big. There are millions on the line. 273 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:14.279 Shed some light on those super successful years from the 274 00:12:14.279 --> 00:12:17.720 perspective of someone just googling your name and how those 275 00:12:17.879 --> 00:12:19.480 actually ended up playing out. 276 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:24.679 Yeah, sou Poker tournaments are funny because whenever somebody's doing 277 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:26.840 very well, it's extremely visible. 278 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:29.840 You know, it's very very clear that, like their name's. 279 00:12:29.559 --> 00:12:32.039 Everywhere, and as it should be, like there anythink, but 280 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:35.080 like when someone's not doing so well, you just kind 281 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:35.919 of forget about. 282 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:38.559 Them, you know, and. 283 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:41.799 That's natural, right. There's an extreme amount of variants. The 284 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:47.879 upswings are phenomenal, and the downswings are devastating. I mean, 285 00:12:47.919 --> 00:12:49.960 what more to say about that, Like it's very easy 286 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:51.480 to just lose a few. 287 00:12:51.279 --> 00:12:52.519 Million very fast, you know. 288 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:54.960 It's the stakes are so high, like you're saying, I 289 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:58.440 think my average buy in nowadays is around like fifty 290 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:02.000 to sixty thousand average, and you're talking about the highest 291 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:04.080 buy ins are generally the toughest tournament. So there's going 292 00:13:04.120 --> 00:13:07.799 to be like the more devastating downswings. I would say, 293 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:09.200 it's a hard thing to go through. 294 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:10.360 And that's like you know. 295 00:13:10.440 --> 00:13:11.759 One of the reasons why I think a lot of 296 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:14.200 the people have kind of enjoyed the stuff I've been 297 00:13:14.200 --> 00:13:15.879 putting out because I kind of talk about that, like 298 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:19.320 my whole with this content I'm creating, I'm not signed 299 00:13:19.320 --> 00:13:20.320 to be like I'm not trying. 300 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:21.720 To be like look at me, I'm such a baller, 301 00:13:21.759 --> 00:13:21.919 you know. 302 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:24.159 I got like I'm well private jets and shit, That's 303 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:25.080 not what I'm trying to do at all. 304 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:26.240 I'm trying to be like, hey, this is what this 305 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:27.440 actually looks like. 306 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:30.720 Like I just went, uh three weeks and lost you know, 307 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:32.399 one point five million, two million. 308 00:13:32.440 --> 00:13:35.039 It's just devastating. This sucks. Like, here's me in my room. 309 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:35.879 I'm like sad. 310 00:13:36.039 --> 00:13:38.559 You know, it's not like it's not and that's real. 311 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:39.960 And that's what a lot of us are going through. 312 00:13:40.039 --> 00:13:43.200 And you spend so much time again, this is an 313 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:46.279 elite competition. You spend months and months and months and years, 314 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:49.279 like throughout your whole career like preparing and just being 315 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:52.279 all in on being the best poker player you can. 316 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:54.399 Then you just go to Triton and you like totally 317 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:57.279 brick it and it's just like a crazy, crazy feeling. 318 00:13:57.720 --> 00:13:59.799 And that's kind of what I'm trying to shed light 319 00:13:59.799 --> 00:14:02.519 on that you know, as poker fans, this is something 320 00:14:02.519 --> 00:14:04.480 that's not gonna be very obvious, but like one of 321 00:14:04.559 --> 00:14:08.200 the most impressive things at least somebody who's doing it 322 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:11.360 is people that go through those massive downswings and they 323 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:13.879 stay in action. Like the best example I like to 324 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:16.720 think of is Christoph Vogel saying, who over the last year, 325 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:18.440 he's doing great last couple of years, but like he 326 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:21.360 went on a devastating downswing. I think it lasted for 327 00:14:21.399 --> 00:14:23.720 like two or three years, just got absolutely crushed, was 328 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:26.720 running so about. And he's like an incredible poker player, 329 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:29.159 has been a high stakes winner since like twenty ten 330 00:14:29.559 --> 00:14:32.240 cash games online, playing two hundred four hundred all these 331 00:14:32.279 --> 00:14:34.480 tournaments over all the years, and he went through this 332 00:14:34.480 --> 00:14:36.679 this devastating downswing and he stayed in action. 333 00:14:36.879 --> 00:14:37.679 And what does that mean. 334 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:40.679 It means one, he's just like accumulated a bunch of 335 00:14:40.720 --> 00:14:43.600 wealth himself through his own poker player. And two, even 336 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:46.399 though he was losing getting crushed, people still like believed 337 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:47.919 in him to swap with him to buy his action. 338 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:49.879 I don't know if he's ever selling, but like he 339 00:14:49.919 --> 00:14:53.159 stayed in action. And eventually got out of that hole 340 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:54.960 and has been on this like great upswing over the 341 00:14:55.039 --> 00:14:57.360 last couple of years, which is great to see. So like, yes, 342 00:14:57.399 --> 00:14:59.720 it's very easy to see somebody going a megaheater and 343 00:14:59.759 --> 00:15:02.200 be like, wow, what a great player, But like the 344 00:15:02.240 --> 00:15:06.159 real test is like getting crushed for multiple years and 345 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:07.279 still staying in the game. 346 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:08.519 Like that's a great player. 347 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:11.279 And I hope people like who see this or hear this, 348 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:13.559 like take this to heart, because like that's the real 349 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:16.600 show of like this guy's a fucking elite poker players. 350 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:19.039 He just lost you know, five million in two years 351 00:15:19.120 --> 00:15:22.000 or whatever, six million, and he's still playing. People still 352 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:23.600 believe in him, So like that's a real test of 353 00:15:23.639 --> 00:15:24.240 a great player. 354 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:31.799 What's the deepest and darkest moment that you've been through 355 00:15:32.039 --> 00:15:35.159 in your high roller career and perhaps give color to 356 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:37.440 it in the sense that you know, you remember, you know, 357 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:39.919 walking to your hotel room, we're calling your wife, or 358 00:15:40.200 --> 00:15:42.559 or you know, maybe sitting down behind the computer to 359 00:15:42.600 --> 00:15:46.240 go over some spreadsheets. Do you recall that moment and 360 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:47.919 please sort of describe that to me. 361 00:15:48.639 --> 00:15:53.480 Yeah, So, really early in my career, there was Trenton, London, 362 00:15:53.960 --> 00:15:56.080 which I believe was twenty nineteen. It was the one 363 00:15:56.080 --> 00:15:58.159 where they had the million dollars buy in, and it 364 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:01.720 was I was still pretty new to the high roller 365 00:16:01.759 --> 00:16:03.000 senior in general. I mean, I guess a couple of 366 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:04.399 years in. I think the first time I was playing 367 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:06.960 real high stakes was twenty eighteen. I think this London 368 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:09.320 was twenty nineteen. It was definitely before COVID And I 369 00:16:09.399 --> 00:16:13.320 remember like going into this main event and this was 370 00:16:13.320 --> 00:16:15.720 one hundred k main event and it was pounds, and 371 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:18.080 I ended up firing four bullets into this main event 372 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:21.039 in about an hour, like just four hundred k pounds 373 00:16:21.080 --> 00:16:23.120 just shredded in like an hour. And you know, this 374 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:25.399 was before I had like much success at these stakes, 375 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:27.440 Like I had success in like five k's, ten k's 376 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:29.960 and main events before this. But like I remember just 377 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:32.320 going back to my room and just being like I 378 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:34.279 don't think I belong here, you know what I mean? 379 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:37.480 And I don't know, like those tournaments were good, and 380 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:39.440 like I definitely wasn't nearly as good as the player 381 00:16:39.480 --> 00:16:41.639 I am today. Back then, I think I was good 382 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:43.679 enough to at least, you know, like make a small profit, 383 00:16:43.799 --> 00:16:47.159 especially in those tournaments. But like until it happens for 384 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:50.080 you until you you know, like have good scores, like 385 00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:52.519 put together a great year, put together a great upswing. 386 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:55.000 You get caught in your own head. It's just like 387 00:16:55.679 --> 00:16:57.600 do I have what it takes to win? You know? 388 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:00.360 And once we're. 389 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:02.559 Small edges here, so like the way you actually end 390 00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:05.079 up with profit in the long run is like picking 391 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:07.359 up you know, just small pots that people wouldn't necessarily 392 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:09.160 pick up through like a live read, or just having 393 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:12.359 like very solid fundamentals in general and not leaking win 394 00:17:12.440 --> 00:17:15.039 rates other players. But like when you have a huge 395 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:17.559 heater or a huge downswing, like that's not what causes it, 396 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:19.920 you know, Like when I won ten million in six weeks, 397 00:17:20.279 --> 00:17:22.759 like I was winning flips, I was getting dealt big hands. 398 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:24.720 I was, I mean, I was playing fine, But like 399 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:27.519 the mega ups and downs, they don't come from you 400 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:30.400 out playing somebody every hand or getting outplayed every hand. 401 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:32.920