Speaker 1: Time you were listening to the Age of Transitions. I'm
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Speaker 1: the most recent material I've been loading to the Patreon
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Speaker 1: people have kind of maybe shied away from using it,
Speaker 1: which is unfortunate because it's a better platform technically speaking
Speaker 1: than it ever has in terms of for the creator side,
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Speaker 1: quite annoying. But I've been playing videos on there that
Speaker 1: I got back in two thousand and nine at the
Speaker 1: Singularity Summit that I attended in New York City. Me
Speaker 1: and Carlos from trans Alchemy, we were working together at
Speaker 1: the time on that blog. We went there and covered it,
Speaker 1: got press pass, and we were primarily backstage in this
Speaker 1: weird little room shooting interviews with various speakers and people
Speaker 1: that just happened to be at the conference that were interesting.
Speaker 1: So I'm going through all my tapes that I got
Speaker 1: from that event and loading them unedited. I'm just playing
Speaker 1: them directly, the unedited footage of the whole thing, and
Speaker 1: posting it to my Patreon. That's where those That's the
Speaker 1: only place you'll be able to get those varders. I'm
Speaker 1: not really planning on doing anything else with those for
Speaker 1: the foreseeable future, but I will say there's also the
Speaker 1: affiliate ads on the Ature transitions dot com, so nobody
Speaker 1: ever goes those anyway, but they're there. Back to the
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine Singularity Summit, it was an historic event.
Speaker 1: It truly was. It was one of those events that
Speaker 1: very few people knew about, but it was important, and
Speaker 1: the concepts and just the goings on around the conference
Speaker 1: were just as important as, if not more so, than,
Speaker 1: what was actually happening up on the podium with the speakers.
Speaker 1: The topics that they were talking about, yes, were important,
Speaker 1: but almost like the actual presentation of these topics and
Speaker 1: who was doing it was at least equally as interesting.
Speaker 1: I don't remember if I've told this story. I think
Speaker 1: I told this story long ago on the show. But
Speaker 1: I did arrive in New York City going to that.
Speaker 1: I came in on a flight. This would have been
Speaker 1: just when I had been living in California for a year,
Speaker 1: so I had to fly out there. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: remember all the ins and outs that I just know
Speaker 1: that I came in on a flight and I was
Speaker 1: waiting for Carlos to pick me up at I was
Speaker 1: one of the New York airports. I think it was JFK.
Speaker 1: I believe it was one of those ones. The GUARDI
Speaker 1: or JFK is one of the two. I'm not so
Speaker 1: familiar with those two. Have been to them, but not anyway.
Speaker 1: I was outside waiting to be picked up. He was
Speaker 1: taking a few minutes. You know, I was waiting outside
Speaker 1: for a while. That's okay, you know, it was no
Speaker 1: big deal. But as I was waiting out there with
Speaker 1: my bags, who also walked out and was promptly picked up.
Speaker 1: I will say, well, none other than Ray Kurtzwell. He
Speaker 1: was out there. He got picked up by a nice
Speaker 1: Lincoln Talent car. He got in and there's all sorts
Speaker 1: of I feel like there was somebody else in the car.
Speaker 1: Who else was in there? There's some of those other
Speaker 1: nut jobs that were at the conference. But he got
Speaker 1: picked up. He got with straight away, and he was
Speaker 1: a speaker at that conference. You know, he's mister Singularity himself.
Speaker 1: He's one of the big spokesmen, and to this day
Speaker 1: he's working at Google in that capacity. Machine Machine Intelligence
Speaker 1: Research Institute is the name of the group that put
Speaker 1: on the Singularity Summit, and that exists to this day.
Speaker 1: And then he's you know, got his job there at
Speaker 1: Google and it's all connected. But the other big name
Speaker 1: at Singularity Institute. And I did not get an interview
Speaker 1: with Kurtzwell. I did not get an interview with Peter Deele.
Speaker 1: Peter Deele was the he really stole the show. At
Speaker 1: the two thousand and nine Singularity Summit, he did a
Speaker 1: presentation about macroeconomics and let me see here, let's see
Speaker 1: macroeconomics and singularity. It wasn't too long of a presentation.
Speaker 1: He starts out asking the audience what they think, what
Speaker 1: they're most worried about in the future, and he talks
Speaker 1: about his general thesis is that the problem he foresees
Speaker 1: is that the Singularity just won't happen fast enough, so
Speaker 1: the arrival of superintelligence, of artificial general intelligence to reshape
Speaker 1: the world is just going to get delayed too long
Speaker 1: so that we can't make the progress that we need to.
Speaker 1: And you know, there'll be we're gonna be in big
Speaker 1: trouble because we did not do that. But you know,
Speaker 1: he says all sorts of other interesting things throughout that
Speaker 1: It's worth a watch. You can find it online. When
Speaker 1: he was giving that speech, we were backstage interviewing somebody.
Speaker 1: I remember somehow being on the side of the stage
Speaker 1: as well, and Kurtzel was there looking over notes and
Speaker 1: he was like kind of but then also Teal was there,
Speaker 1: and I forget why. Just like for a minute, we
Speaker 1: went to the side stage like on the side of
Speaker 1: the stage where the presenters would be. For some reason,
Speaker 1: I can't remember why this was, but Kurtzseel was there
Speaker 1: looking at his notes. Thal was there surrounded by like
Speaker 1: reporters hounding him with all these questions, and then he
Speaker 1: basically like, Okay, I gotta get out of here, and
Speaker 1: he left. So he was there, and that's all I
Speaker 1: saw of him, and really of Kurtzwell too. I ain't
Speaker 1: talk to either one of them. I just kind of sound,
Speaker 1: you know, so whatever kind of thing. But that did happen,
Speaker 1: the airport thing with Kurtzwell and then the side of
Speaker 1: the stage, and then really what Carlos and I were
Speaker 1: doing working those interviews, which again I will be loading
Speaker 1: all those I might I really, if I get the time,
Speaker 1: I will load another one this weekend. I want to
Speaker 1: do that, so look for that. That might be what
Speaker 1: I spend my time doing this weekend of the stream.
Speaker 1: But that was the two thousand and nine Singularity Summit
Speaker 1: at the ninety two hy in New York City. It's
Speaker 1: the venue for that. Peter Thiel is an interesting person.
Speaker 1: He's a libertarian, and I have made the point or
Speaker 1: I said this on my ex account at friend simulation.
Speaker 1: I think a week or two ago I made the
Speaker 1: point that I believe he is the libertarian Peter Tel
Speaker 1: And why is that? Well? I believe he's the libertarian
Speaker 1: because if you look at him and everything he's involved
Speaker 1: with and his philosophy, his political social ideology, philosophy, it
Speaker 1: doesn't exactly jive and his frankly his business history. Right
Speaker 1: that more than anything there doesn't exactly jive with what
Speaker 1: I at least think of when I hear libertarianism as
Speaker 1: a political movement. Now maybe I'm wrong about things, but
Speaker 1: my general quick take on libertarianism is that, yes, you're
Speaker 1: for limited government, right, Yeah, we all know that, but
Speaker 1: you're also for freedom of the individual right and civil liberties.
Speaker 1: I know that people make a distinction with like civil libertarian,
Speaker 1: but for me, I hear libertarian and civil liberties are huge.
Speaker 1: So you got people have to be able to do
Speaker 1: and be free to do whatever they want essentially without
Speaker 1: being worried about being punished by a government of any sort. Right.
Speaker 1: And yes, that's my generic take on this limited government,
Speaker 1: empower private enterprise, shy away from government whenever you can.
Speaker 1: And so when I see Peter Thiel a guy that
Speaker 1: has made his fortune in large part on government contracts,
Speaker 1: and he has gotten himself inside the inside national intelligence
Speaker 1: would Palenteer and all that huge government contracts at his
Speaker 1: security clearances. He he must has a ridiculous amount of
Speaker 1: security clearances. He is in there with the federal government,
Speaker 1: and it's a big part of what made him who
Speaker 1: he is. Yes, there's the PayPal thing, we know about that.
Speaker 1: Yes there's the Facebook stuff and his investments with that
Speaker 1: and everything else he has done to become the billionaire
Speaker 1: that he is. But you know, for being mister limited government.
Speaker 1: That's the thing with me. It's like, how what is
Speaker 1: going on there? Like how does this square up exactly
Speaker 1: for me? But what's interesting is to see not necessarily
Speaker 1: libertarianism as a political ideal as a political party, but
Speaker 1: the practical ways in which libertarian ideology and philosophy has
Speaker 1: grown and has changed. Certainly, it seems to have undergone
Speaker 1: a few changes over the years that actually kind of
Speaker 1: line up and makes sense with Peter Thiel and how
Speaker 1: he might actually be a libertarian because the proper edits
Speaker 1: have been made over time to the ideology. And you
Speaker 1: can see this in the people claiming to be libertarians themselves,
Speaker 1: posting all over social media. The concept of limited government
Speaker 1: not strictly limited to libertarianism, but that has just a
Speaker 1: general concept. The limited government idea fits in with all
Speaker 1: sorts of different political groups, right, I mean, the Republican
Speaker 1: Party is about limited government, you know, on their love
Speaker 1: of Ronald Reagan and all of this and all of
Speaker 1: the all of the making for the Republican Party that
Speaker 1: has undergone interesting changes over the years as well. And
Speaker 1: I've commented time and time again over the years on
Speaker 1: this show about the merge of the mainstream Republican Party
Speaker 1: and the more fringe elements which would have included, yes,
Speaker 1: libertarians and different independent people who are into the concept
Speaker 1: of limited government and all this that have gotten their
Speaker 1: ideas from alternative media online that has pushed these concepts
Speaker 1: in a big way over at over a decade now,
Speaker 1: it's been well over that amount of time where these
Speaker 1: general concepts have been being pushed over and over aga again,
Speaker 1: and there's there's been changes and again ideas have been twisted,
Speaker 1: and what was republican five ten years ago is not
Speaker 1: what a Republican is now. But that's okay, And what
Speaker 1: a libertarian is now is not what a libertarian would
Speaker 1: have been five, ten, fifteen years ago. Again, my probably
Speaker 1: not great definition of libertarianism at the start of this,
Speaker 1: But it doesn't really matter what my definition of libertarianism is.
Speaker 1: It just matters. What matters is the way that things
Speaker 1: work out, the political realities that come to be, and
Speaker 1: how have we gotten to the point where we are now?
Speaker 1: How did such amazing ideological shifts happen in what was
Speaker 1: a surprisingly short amount of time over this past decade
Speaker 1: or so. If you have been paying attention, you have
Speaker 1: noticed these changes. And I'm saying that it's not a
Speaker 1: coincidence that these things have happened. I'm also saying that
Speaker 1: these general concepts, these ideological these ideologies, these political stances
Speaker 1: have been used to achieve very real political ends and
Speaker 1: have gotten us to where we are now. There's a
Speaker 1: very real technical side to how this all works, too,
Speaker 1: which revolves around information technology, internet, social media, analytics, surveillance data,
Speaker 1: big data. Nobody really uses that term amore, but still
Speaker 1: a very real thing. And there is a confluence of
Speaker 1: this tech world and the political world. How do you
Speaker 1: think political campaigns have been orienting themselves these past few
Speaker 1: chaotic years and election cycles that each year gets crazier
Speaker 1: and crazier, the red air, the rhetoric more fiery every year.
Speaker 1: What was once very controversial now being used in presidential debates,
Speaker 1: not just used by some candidate that's going to be
Speaker 1: pushed out. Yeah, yeah, Okay, they'll say some crazy stuff
Speaker 1: at an early debate, but don't worry. That candidate won't
Speaker 1: be back for the later the next debate, the next
Speaker 1: televised debate, we will weeded that candidate out and it
Speaker 1: will be a smaller group of maybe four of them
Speaker 1: there are left that crazy guy's I could be eight
Speaker 1: there anymore. No, things have changed quite a bit. The
Speaker 1: crazy guy has become the winner. Do you think that
Speaker 1: is on accident? Do you think that's just happened. Do
Speaker 1: you think we've won? That's a good question. Do you
Speaker 1: believe that we the alternative community, those that are championing freedom,
Speaker 1: those are championing limited government, those are championing any idea
Speaker 1: that we fall into this general category which seems unfair
Speaker 1: to be generalized and to be wishy washy and sort
Speaker 1: of gray and not noncommittal. I'm not committing to like
Speaker 1: this is libertarianism. This isn't Republicans, this is not the Republicans,
Speaker 1: it's not the Libertarians, it's not this or that thing.
Speaker 1: Because this is the way it works, everything just amalgamates
Speaker 1: into this gray area where you can't even tell what
Speaker 1: the connections are and why everything has lined up the
Speaker 1: way it has. But I can tell you it has
Speaker 1: for a very real reason. This did not just happen overnight.
Speaker 1: This has been going on for years. It was not
Speaker 1: by accident. Social media was set up to gather data
Speaker 1: on its users. It does that. That is business model.
Speaker 1: Is the data We've heard, I mean you've probably heard
Speaker 1: this a million times over and over again that in
Speaker 1: this information age, data is they liken it to like
Speaker 1: the new oil. They call it a resource. It is
Speaker 1: a resource. It is an asset. It has value. That
Speaker 1: is the value that is extracted from these platforms is
Speaker 1: the data that is gathered on the users, and it's sold.
Speaker 1: Data is bought and sold that is collected from social
Speaker 1: media use. And that's you know, the terms of service.
Speaker 1: You sign away your right to do that. And I'm sure,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't have to sit up here and
Speaker 1: tell you about that. I think everybody is as common
Speaker 1: knowledge now, so we know that's been going on and
Speaker 1: it's sold to all sorts of different buyers. Back to
Speaker 1: the political campaigns, how do you think it is that
Speaker 1: they get the topics that they infuse into their candidates platform?
Speaker 1: How do you think different political platforms are orchestrated and
Speaker 1: put together. Do you think that perhaps data Do you
Speaker 1: think maybe political parties could be buyers of data from
Speaker 1: when it's out on that marketplace, the social media, when
Speaker 1: they sell it to bidders or political campaigns buying that data.
Speaker 1: Who are the donors to these campaigns that come from
Speaker 1: out of nowhere? Where did that guy come from? Wha
Speaker 1: what was he saying yesterday? I don't know, but he's
Speaker 1: saying the opposite thing today. Who put him up there?
Speaker 1: Where did the guy? Where does this guy get his
Speaker 1: money to run for office? It comes from the people
Speaker 1: who brought you these wonderful technological toys, these social media platforms. Really,
Speaker 1: the whole of what online life is today is brought
Speaker 1: to you by the same people that are funding oh
Speaker 1: so many things that we're not even privy to. We
Speaker 1: can't even know all the donations and funding of what's
Speaker 1: going on out there. However, if you are paying attention,
Speaker 1: you know, and you see, you see the connections, you
Speaker 1: see how you've seen these changes. That are a good
Speaker 1: way to come at it is to analyze where we
Speaker 1: are now, what people are saying, and even go back
Speaker 1: in the wayback machine again a decade is a good
Speaker 1: way to do it. And these people that are screaming
Speaker 1: mostly in support of our wonderful leadership. Now, those that
Speaker 1: are who are the loudest, most gung ho supporters for
Speaker 1: what's happening to our fe government mainly through the executive branch,
Speaker 1: a lot of supporters for that, the loudest ones, go
Speaker 1: back ten years and see what they were saying. You
Speaker 1: might find some contradictions to what they're saying is a
Speaker 1: good idea today Again, we live in a world of
Speaker 1: contradictions where somebody presents themselves a certain way and then
Speaker 1: they go a complete opposite direction and it doesn't make sense,
Speaker 1: does it? Or does it?
Speaker 2: Nope?
Speaker 1: Chuck, I hear you. What's going on?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I just wanted to quickly ask you a question that
Speaker 2: because I've done some interviews on a couple of other
Speaker 2: platforms this past ten days or so, and I keep
Speaker 2: asking this question that makes everybody stammer, oh boy, I.
Speaker 1: Can't wait to hear what it is. I really don't
Speaker 1: know what it is. I haven't heard it, Chuck, what
Speaker 1: we got?
Speaker 2: Oh, it's great.
Speaker 3: It relates to you.
Speaker 2: And I know you haven't been listening to my guest
Speaker 2: appearances because I haven't really pushed them all that hard
Speaker 2: because recording stuff, I don't know when they're airing it.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a big thing. So outside of Richie Allen,
Speaker 2: which was live, I keep asking this question to people
Speaker 2: that are happy with what they see right now, right
Speaker 2: because I remember that ten years back, and I remember
Speaker 2: twenty years back erin you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, yeah, good, keep going, Uck, keep going, because
Speaker 1: it's worth it to do that.
Speaker 2: And I recall that a lot of the people that
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of people that have voices today
Speaker 2: didn't voice anything back then. True, okay, but those that did,
Speaker 2: those that did exist, even if they were just frustrated
Speaker 2: facebookers and they couldn't figure out YouTube. Yet now it's
Speaker 2: gotten easier. They everybody's got a podcast. Everybody and their
Speaker 2: mama got a podcast, right at least for a little while.
Speaker 2: And if they don't have a podcast, they got a channel.
Speaker 2: Somewhere they're on X Live. But they're doing something. But
Speaker 2: the thing is a whole lot of people who were
Speaker 2: saying the technocracy is going to take us sober. We
Speaker 2: are human beings, we deserve to exist. It was linked
Speaker 2: into the libertarian thing. It was linked into all those
Speaker 2: It's funny they're celebrating as Peter tele and the holders
Speaker 2: of about eighty percent of social media in the English
Speaker 2: speaking world anyway, all stood on stage with Donald Trump. Yes,
Speaker 2: and every one of them, in one way or another,
Speaker 2: says now things are better. Now, things are better. Now,
Speaker 2: things are gonna get better. And these are people that
Speaker 2: are supposedly out there analyzing stuff. They're supposedly part of
Speaker 2: the old media, that those that want to still claim
Speaker 2: the old crown. And yet they're happy with this. And
Speaker 2: a few years ago and ten years ago, for sure,
Speaker 2: if they had a voice at all, they were worried
Speaker 2: about this happening. They would not have wanted a guy
Speaker 2: like Elon Musk loose on anything. Peter Teal is there
Speaker 2: with them now, he's one of the names. Kurzwell, the singularity.
Speaker 2: They're gonna turn us into robots, Oh my god. And
Speaker 2: now they're like, but Trump's there and Musk is there.
Speaker 1: It's all good, and.
Speaker 2: They are speaking loudly for not themselves. Okay, I don't
Speaker 2: know what their mentality is. I'm not gonna sit here
Speaker 2: and psychoanalyze it. But I'm very confused as I as
Speaker 2: I think I'm hearing you be confused by this problem.
Speaker 2: So the question is what made them change sides on
Speaker 2: the technocracy? That was That was my question, basically, because
Speaker 2: they did, and they all did, and I don't know
Speaker 2: why nobody's questioning this. Yeah, But the weirdest part of it,
Speaker 2: and this is the addendum I gotta give to you.
Speaker 2: Pin that question and just tell me what made them
Speaker 2: switch sides? Please, outside of now my guy is in there.
Speaker 2: See when I thought it was a liberal crazy thing
Speaker 2: and it was gonna take away our ability to be
Speaker 2: male or female. Therefore I was, I was it was problematic.
Speaker 2: But since we're still going to be men and women
Speaker 2: because Trump declared it, it's okay. We can now go
Speaker 2: into the singularity, all right. But the weirdest thing is
Speaker 2: that they would not have wanted the billionaires to be
Speaker 2: in control of our lives. They wouldn't have wanted and
Speaker 2: they newly meant to Trump as a billionaire before he
Speaker 2: went into office. They made sure of it with his
Speaker 2: crypto and all that too. You know, so this whole
Speaker 2: twisted world is now okay, and I can't figure it out.
Speaker 2: I can't figure out what switch got flipped here because
Speaker 2: something happened. But anyway, on top of that this, you know,
Speaker 2: the new media out there, I want to know what
Speaker 2: victory feels like, because I am finding the people that
Speaker 2: they're really speaking for are the most ignorant on the planet.
Speaker 2: They are the people who are approaching me right now.
Speaker 2: And it doesn't matter if it's the guide delivering stuff
Speaker 2: to my house or it's people emailing me, It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Aren't you happy now that one of two questions RFK
Speaker 2: is in there, right, He's done a lot already, You're happy, right?
Speaker 2: Or they released all the JFK stuff now, aren't you
Speaker 2: happy now? Neither one of these have taken hold. Neither
Speaker 2: one of these have materialized. None of this has actually
Speaker 2: happened outside of proclamations, declarations, posts on social media. And
Speaker 2: we're doing this, we're doing that. We can't give you
Speaker 2: the numbers, no particulars, and we're doing stuff.
Speaker 1: Yay.
Speaker 2: And I've got a chainsaw on stage at seapack and
Speaker 2: I'm Elon Musk, and don't worry about my monkey like
Speaker 2: child on my shoulders as I try to speak to you.
Speaker 2: And no, I'm not in charge of dose, but I'm
Speaker 2: in charge of dose. But I'm not in charge of dose,
Speaker 2: but I'm in charge of dose. Where is the switch
Speaker 2: that was flipped to turn these people from leary of
Speaker 2: at least the technocracy being at the forefront of governance
Speaker 2: of everything, and now they've exchanged it for well, these
Speaker 2: are my social media masters. They must know what they're doing.
Speaker 2: And they're billionaires. They must know what they're doing. And
Speaker 2: it's all good. Where was that switch flipped? Aaron?
Speaker 1: Can you help me find it? Yes, I believe I
Speaker 1: can shuck. I'm glad you asked that.
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, I'm going to shut off my mic and
Speaker 2: intently because I want this answer. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Well. Look, first of all, in the name of safety,
Speaker 1: let's not worry. I can guarantee you Elon Musk does
Speaker 1: not know how to start that chainsaw, so the children
Speaker 1: are safe. If his life depended on it, he would
Speaker 1: not be able to get that thing. To worry, so
Speaker 1: that's in the name of safety. We're fine. He's just
Speaker 1: cause playing. He's just role playing. He is just putting
Speaker 1: himself out there as he has. And this is one
Speaker 1: of my things over the years, going back to my
Speaker 1: research in the transhumanism and specifically with the Singularity Summit,
Speaker 1: Ray Kurtzwell, to me always I knew that he was
Speaker 1: like a chosen guy to be a figurehead of transhumanism
Speaker 1: and the Singularity and AI. Then he was being pushed
Speaker 1: out there by Teal and everybody else who's bankrolling this
Speaker 1: thing to be mister Singularity. And it always blew my
Speaker 1: mind because Kurtzwell is a very uncharismatic and he's an
Speaker 1: uncharismatic guy that's difficult to listen to, and like so
Speaker 1: many of these other guys, they cannot speak and they
Speaker 1: their personal skills just aren't there. And the fact that
Speaker 1: this was the guy that they went with always was like, really,
Speaker 1: you could have found just some guy who knows how
Speaker 1: to talk at least and has a little charisma that
Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't have the credentials, because Kurtzwell, you know,
Speaker 1: he has tech credentials, so he knows what he's talking about.
Speaker 1: But could you not have chose than somebody else will. No,
Speaker 1: this is who we are, I guess, and that always
Speaker 1: struck me as odd. But then the rise of Elon Musk,
Speaker 1: It's like ten times worse than Kurtswell, and it always
Speaker 1: blew my mind as like, okay, In fact, I remember
Speaker 1: hearing about Elon Musk and I never saw any video
Speaker 1: of him. I just you know, he was putting himself
Speaker 1: out there and making these ridiculous pronouncements on social media himself,
Speaker 1: and I just kind of heard about it and I
Speaker 1: was like, this guy sounds annoying. I remember the first
Speaker 1: video I saw of him. I couldn't believe it because
Speaker 1: I was expecting him to come out there and like
Speaker 1: put on a show and be real engaging. No, no,
Speaker 1: he's even He's again ten times worse than Kurtswell in
Speaker 1: terms of charisma, being able to watch without cringing. He
Speaker 1: can't even talk, he can't even put two words together,
Speaker 1: And it just blows my mind that he has consciously
Speaker 1: made the choice to put himself out there and be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm this guy, and I'm gonna, you know, build
Speaker 1: up my cult of personality and I can pull this off.
Speaker 1: I'm going to do this, and yes, he is one
Speaker 1: of the big money men behind this part of the
Speaker 1: PayPal mafia, working right alongside Teal and Teal another guy
Speaker 1: that used to know better that he would like limit
Speaker 1: his he would have a public face where he do
Speaker 1: these things like the keynote speech at Singularity summ of
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, and that makes sense. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: Teal is given a speech here that Okay, I get that,
Speaker 1: and that works and he can pull that off. Is
Speaker 1: he a great speaker?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: But who cares like it kind of fits the personality, right,
Speaker 1: He's like, Okay, he's doing a one and done. Okay,
Speaker 1: he can't talk great, but whatever. But now we've gotten
Speaker 1: to the point where these guys are going on Joe
Speaker 1: Rogan and they're doing other podcasts, and they're being regular guests,
Speaker 1: and they're being interviewed by They're getting softball questions, right,
Speaker 1: it's obviously a friendly interview.
Speaker 2: And by the way, you know what, just just really quickly,
Speaker 2: I cannot stand to endure an entire episode of you know,
Speaker 2: supposedly the most popular podcast like pretty much on the planet,
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan. Right, I can't go through a whole episode.
Speaker 2: But every time I get clips, because I get clips
Speaker 2: of everything, I go through little clips to see quotes,
Speaker 2: weird interactions. You know what did Elon Musk actually say
Speaker 2: on that show? Because Elon Must smoked weed with Joe Rogan,
Speaker 2: you know. And I notice this even when I'm trying
Speaker 2: to pick up you know, Bill Burr and I'm just
Speaker 2: trying to enjoy myself and listen to Bill Burr Rant
Speaker 2: or Dave Chappelle or say, you know somebody who.
Speaker 1: Is a comic scene who's actually funny, Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: knows how to draw you in and yeah, present something
Speaker 1: in a presentable way that holds your attention guaranteed.
Speaker 2: When I search one of those you know, brilliant things ankers,
Speaker 2: who's still alive? Anybody who's dead maybe didn't make it
Speaker 2: to the Rogan Show, but people who are still alive,
Speaker 2: they're comedians. I go to find a list of stuff,
Speaker 2: you know, entertainment, and you know what's funny is Rogan
Speaker 2: In every single exchange with one of these comedians, he
Speaker 2: makes it a point to say, you know what, I
Speaker 2: really enjoy talking to Elon Musk, Elon mu, Elon Must.
Speaker 2: He is singing the praises of Elon Musk for years
Speaker 2: in advance of Musk taking his position at Twitter, and
Speaker 2: even after that, and then in advance of him taking
Speaker 2: his position in the Trump administration. And therein lies the
Speaker 2: problem here with these minted approved of This is your
Speaker 2: top level podcaster. This is the guy that it's worth
Speaker 2: it for us to pay him two hundred million dollars
Speaker 2: a year. Look it up. By the way, the Rogan
Speaker 2: makes like two hundred million a year.
Speaker 1: Okay, seriously, yeah, exactly. And how is that is the
Speaker 1: question that one should be asking, right, who.
Speaker 3: Is funding that? I wonder? Wonder one?
Speaker 1: And why? And why and why are the big questions.
Speaker 1: There are good answers to those questions.
Speaker 2: Right, So I just find it amazing that you brought
Speaker 2: this up, because this is perfect. The pop culture fed this,
Speaker 2: the underground alleged underground culture fed this. When all rivers
Speaker 2: are flowing in one direction, you gotta say to yourself,
Speaker 2: you know that must be where gravity is at and
Speaker 2: who is pushing the gravity?
Speaker 3: Let's figure that out.
Speaker 2: Because it all went in one direction, and even your
Speaker 2: corporate media has now for the most part, gone in
Speaker 2: that one direction.
Speaker 1: I just who's the DJ at the center running the
Speaker 1: center of the Gravitron ride while we all just sit
Speaker 1: on the edges, puking in our own faces.
Speaker 2: Right, because we are on the grand tilted world.
Speaker 3: And that's it.
Speaker 2: The Gravitron has decided the tilted world is going this
Speaker 2: way now, yeah, and that's it, and we are literally
Speaker 2: caught in gravity. There is no This isn't a debate.
Speaker 2: This isn't you know, the opposition versus the other opposition versus.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 2: It's the Gravitron.
Speaker 3: You're right, it's the amusement stuck to the wall.
Speaker 1: Chuck. We are all stuck on the wall, right.
Speaker 2: If you've never seen this, if you've never been some
Speaker 2: people have not been to an amusement park, Aaron, I
Speaker 2: don't know if you realize that.
Speaker 1: So we remember, yeah, this is a good This makes
Speaker 1: the round at carnivals too, because it does. It's one
Speaker 1: of those things that packs up and goes on the
Speaker 1: a flatbed of a truck.
Speaker 2: You're right, it does. And what it is is this
Speaker 2: just circular cage. And I want you to keep in
Speaker 2: mind it is a cage. And what happens is they
Speaker 2: spin it so fast that whether you have a belt
Speaker 2: or not. You are pinned to the wall based on
Speaker 2: the inertia of the circular ride, spinning really really fast.
Speaker 2: And then at a certain point, the big joy is
Speaker 2: they drop the floor out from under you, and you
Speaker 2: can see that your feet could dangle, except that the
Speaker 2: force of inertia going around in a circle. It's sort
Speaker 2: of like taking a paint can and filling it with water,
Speaker 2: putting it on a rope and whipping it over your
Speaker 2: head just the right way. All the water stays in
Speaker 2: the paint can because of this same effect. But this
Speaker 2: is a carnival ride that some people never get to experience.
Speaker 2: You are pinned to the wall. You look down and
Speaker 2: there's nothing that you're standing on. And that is literally
Speaker 2: what I feel like, this whole experience is right now
Speaker 2: socially and politically and as an American. I feel like
Speaker 2: we are all on the tilted world and they drop
Speaker 2: the floor out. Look, you're still pint to the wall.
Speaker 2: Nothing is holding you there. That's where we're at. And
Speaker 2: they play really loud music so you can't even yell
Speaker 2: at the person standing next to you while your head
Speaker 2: is pinned to this steel cage that you are all inside.
Speaker 2: Of and then of course it gets really into entertaining
Speaker 2: if somebody throws up, but which we all are now
Speaker 2: and some of us are vomiting and other people are
Speaker 2: not even taking notice of it. I just that's where
Speaker 2: we're at, Aaron. I mean, if you think I'm wrong
Speaker 2: and crazy and I interrupted your show badly, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I just thank god somebody else sees it. Anyway, Please continue, sir.
Speaker 1: It's a good analogy, There's no doubt about that. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: just the lack of asking those basic questions that you
Speaker 1: brought up about Rogan, like where is this money coming from,
Speaker 1: who is paying this, and why are they doing it.
Speaker 1: It's a podcaster, right, which used to be like the
Speaker 1: laughing stock of all media, which now clearly is not.
Speaker 1: It's now very elite segment of the media, as it's
Speaker 1: a part of the mainstream media now because the mainstream
Speaker 1: media has shifted. I don't know how many people have
Speaker 1: noticed that yet, but I won't get onto that. Even
Speaker 1: what we have to realize is that these online media
Speaker 1: platforms social media are owned by private interests. Okay, they
Speaker 1: are owned and they are operated. They collect data for
Speaker 1: one thing, As I was saying, that's part of their business.
Speaker 1: They can use that data to further to sell the people,
Speaker 1: or they can use it for their own interests to
Speaker 1: push their political campaigns of their choosing now, and they
Speaker 1: can also use these social media platforms as the new
Speaker 1: public relations and propaganda dissemination tools, is what they are.
Speaker 1: That's why, over time the cult of personality of Elon
Speaker 1: Musk has been built up in the way that it has.
Speaker 1: It's why he went to buy Twitter and make it
Speaker 1: his X because he knows the power of these platforms
Speaker 1: to disseminate the information that is conducive to him and
Speaker 1: his business associates.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if you realized this, by the way, Aaron,
Speaker 2: there's a history to the X thing. It's not brand new.
Speaker 2: He's slapping x's on everything. He is doing that now
Speaker 2: out of vengeance because when he bought his way into PayPal,
Speaker 2: which he didn't invent it, by the way. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: when he bought his way in, he brought another company
Speaker 2: in that merged with PayPal, and he wanted to slap
Speaker 2: the X on PayPal back then. The reason why it
Speaker 2: was rejected by the board of directors and they had
Speaker 2: to fight him to the nail to not have it
Speaker 2: happen is because at that time, in the nineties, X
Speaker 2: would have been directed related to porn hub basically, so
Speaker 2: you know, there was no porn hub back then, but
Speaker 2: porno existed and as soon as you saw an X,
Speaker 2: you thought to yourself, ah, pornography. Yeah, So that was
Speaker 2: the problem with marketing, and even back then he was like,
Speaker 2: screw it, I want it done that way anyway. So
Speaker 2: now everything is SpaceX, Twitter's X. Okay, so x dot
Speaker 2: com is actually not a new idea. It is the
Speaker 2: same one he had twenty five years ago. Aaron, Okay,
Speaker 2: just saying, these guys they hold something in their back
Speaker 2: pocket and they go, you know what, I didn't get
Speaker 2: to do that. I'm gonna wait until I can, and
Speaker 2: then they do it like Trump slapping his name on
Speaker 2: you know, Trump Moscow. That's gonna happen now because he's
Speaker 2: wanted to do that for thirty years. So it's gonna happen,
Speaker 2: you understand. So Elon Musk is gonna slap eventually Doge,
Speaker 2: you know, because look at that. He had to take
Speaker 2: his coin name, his stupid cryptocurrency name, into his government
Speaker 2: service because he thinks he is the Grand branding champion,
Speaker 2: much like Trump actually is a branding champion, not Le
Speaker 2: Grand champion, but he's a branding champion. It's the only
Speaker 2: thing that he has successfully continually sold and not had
Speaker 2: go bankrupt in his lifetime is slapping his name on things.
Speaker 2: And Elon does it with an X just saying just
Speaker 2: wanted to point that out, thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all pr it's all propaganda. It's being done
Speaker 1: technologically and scientifically. It's being done with advanced analytics. All
Speaker 1: of this is being done with the data that is
Speaker 1: extracted from their platforms and then used can use AI
Speaker 1: systems now to see the patterns and see what if
Speaker 1: we're talking about politics, And going back to the point
Speaker 1: I was making earlier is well, how do different candidates
Speaker 1: build their platforms? Well, they do it using advanced analytics tools.
Speaker 1: They use it using advanced analytics tools. And why is
Speaker 1: it that the guy who was up there repeating all
Speaker 1: of these concepts that we were familiar to people who
Speaker 1: were online and who knew what the right wing ecosystem,
Speaker 1: all the right things to say to that crowd, he
Speaker 1: was saying all of them, we're talking about Trump even
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. Clearly was making a presentation to that
Speaker 1: audience who was famously supporting Trump in twenty sixteen, again,
Speaker 1: Peter Teal. It gets murkier as the years go on.
Speaker 1: What Teal's involvement exactly is with Trump, But we do
Speaker 1: know that he bankrolled Jady Vance's run for office in
Speaker 1: Ohio and he he he was his launchpad. Peter Deiel
Speaker 1: was JD Vance's launchpad into Ohio politics. Then he became
Speaker 1: what like a senator, right and then from there he
Speaker 1: wasn't even long doing that, became the vice president to Trump.
Speaker 1: And if you remember JD. Vance's earlier stances on things
Speaker 1: changed dramatically. He used to be an anti Trumper, and
Speaker 1: boy did he change his tune. This seems to be
Speaker 1: a running theme. If you're paying attention that what somebody
Speaker 1: says at one time, give it a year or two,
Speaker 1: maybe ten. If you're got some principles whatsoever, your at
Speaker 1: least do a better job at appearing you do. You
Speaker 1: go completely one and you're a whole, new born again individual,
Speaker 1: a whole new ideology. It seems to be a pattern,
Speaker 1: doesn't it. How do you think that works? Why do
Speaker 1: you think that is? Why is everybody just throwing themselves
Speaker 1: onto this movement, this Maga movement, who previously clearly were
Speaker 1: saying they were against it, now they're not. And JD.
Speaker 1: Vance is like a perfect illustration of this. He's clearly
Speaker 1: he's just saying anything that he knows he needs to say.
Speaker 1: You you tell him, put the words into his mouth,
Speaker 1: he will, he will pair it, he will do it.
Speaker 1: He is your guy. He will say anything you want.
Speaker 1: He's like Ron Burgundy, you know, just put on the teleprompter,
Speaker 1: he reads it right. That's all he is. I mean,
Speaker 1: and it's just so transparent. A guy with zero integrity,
Speaker 1: zero ethical compass whatsoever. He doesn't even have any ideas
Speaker 1: of his own. This guy came out of nowhere. Now
Speaker 1: he's the vice president. He's going to Europe scolding them
Speaker 1: something about how what they're scared of free speech? And yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: America's paid your way for too long. Take care of yourselves.
Speaker 1: Russia's great deal with it. Okay, see you, I'm going
Speaker 1: to go back to the States. Now, what the hell
Speaker 1: is that these are really dramatic events happening, and they're
Speaker 1: being done by guys like this who clearly again they
Speaker 1: don't do you think they believe any of this. You
Speaker 1: think they believe anything. They just say what they need
Speaker 1: know they need to. Who is feeding them the talking points?
Speaker 1: Why are these talking points? Same thing with social media?
Speaker 1: Why are these Why does something catch fire, get a
Speaker 1: lot of attention and keep getting talked about again and again,
Speaker 1: keeps coming back up. Why why are there so many
Speaker 1: culture warriors? Why are these culture war ideas just NonStop?
Speaker 1: You know, we got to worry about our kids having
Speaker 1: trans surgeries in the middle of class, right, something as
Speaker 1: stupid as that, Like constantly, there's always some idiotic story
Speaker 1: like that, over and over and over again. And now
Speaker 1: that your guy is in there, he won. He's in
Speaker 1: the executive sitting in the oval office. What does he
Speaker 1: do for you? He signs these stupid executive orders like
Speaker 1: oh yeah, no more trans athletes and sports or whatever
Speaker 1: January sixth. Yeah, I'm going to part in all of them.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, hell, why not, I'll part in all of them. Okay,
Speaker 1: why is he doing that? Clearly, the reason he's doing
Speaker 1: that is not because he cares. Again, he doesn't care
Speaker 1: about anything either. The reason he's doing it is to
Speaker 1: keep you distracted from everything else that's actually happening. Because
Speaker 1: you have been convinced by digital propaganda that these are
Speaker 1: the issues that matter. When they're nonsense. They have they
Speaker 1: keep coming up on social media because we know via
Speaker 1: or they know via analytics, that it gets attention. They
Speaker 1: know it gets people mad, and they know that they
Speaker 1: can say anything about it and it will get this
Speaker 1: raging debate going and everybody will get all worked up
Speaker 1: with that. Meanwhile, they do whatever the hell they want
Speaker 1: over here, and they just insert all their artificial intelligence
Speaker 1: systems into the federal government. It should be noted that
Speaker 1: these kids that are part of DOGE going into DC,
Speaker 1: a lot of them are employees Musk's companies, and some
Speaker 1: of them are even Teeal Fellows, the Teal Fellowship, that
Speaker 1: prize that he gave out to kids who purposely dropped
Speaker 1: out of genius, kids that dropped out of college to
Speaker 1: go into the private sector and do whatever. These guys
Speaker 1: are the ones going in there, these like nineteen year
Speaker 1: old kids, to install their AI systems that are going
Speaker 1: to make everything so efficient. Yeah, that's what it's all about.
Speaker 1: And those stupid executive orders like no more trans babies
Speaker 1: or wherever the hell the one that'll be tomorrow that
Speaker 1: is nothing more than a distraction. The culture war. Nothing
Speaker 1: more in the distraction. It was crafted because it's a distraction.
Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with what's actually happening in
Speaker 1: the world, So stop paying attention to it. It is
Speaker 1: brought to you by our new technological saviors, the guys
Speaker 1: that paid to put this, to put this administration into place,
Speaker 1: and they're doing that out in the open. That's what's
Speaker 1: so disturbing is they're doing this out in the open.
Speaker 1: Part of the disturbing thing is that they're putting themselves
Speaker 1: out there against It makes again, why would they even
Speaker 1: choose to do this be in public, GUYE to begin with,
Speaker 1: because clearly they're not the ones to be in front
Speaker 1: of a camera. But they're doing it, and I think
Speaker 1: it has a lot to do with because they know
Speaker 1: that they're winning and that they can just do whatever
Speaker 1: they want. Now it's like, yeah, there's nothing that's going
Speaker 1: to stop us. We know the ebb and flow of
Speaker 1: public opinion. We can shape it. We know what people
Speaker 1: are talking about any given second. We can see things
Speaker 1: coming a mile away with our with our predictive models,
Speaker 1: we're not worried about anything. We can just get up
Speaker 1: here and it's our turn turn to regurgitate these stupid
Speaker 1: talking points. Elon Musk goes up there at the Sea
Speaker 1: Pack event as Chuck was saying, with the chainsaw they
Speaker 1: got from Melee that he definitely doesn't know how to use.
Speaker 1: But he was up there repeating these stupid alternative media
Speaker 1: talking points and the same things you hear from these
Speaker 1: right wing comedian slash podcasters all the time. I gotta
Speaker 1: makes you want puky here. At so many times you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: they made comedy illegal, it's not even legal to be
Speaker 1: funny anymore, and they are you up there whining and
Speaker 1: crying like free speech is under attack or something. Give
Speaker 1: me a damn break. But now he's up there parroting
Speaker 1: that very nobody should be able to get away with
Speaker 1: saying these things as often as they have. How long
Speaker 1: does it take before you, the audience, whoever the hell
Speaker 1: is listening to this crap? How long does it take
Speaker 1: to you get tired of these things? I'm not asking
Speaker 1: you to see through it as propaganda, and just like
Speaker 1: lowest common denominator nonsense, you don't have to go that far.
Speaker 1: You don't have to realize you're being fooled and propagandized
Speaker 1: and advanced public relations campaigns are being run against you
Speaker 1: and your best interests. You don't have to do that.
Speaker 1: But don't you get bored with these lame mos, these users.
Speaker 1: I mean they're billionaires, yes, but take their billions of
Speaker 1: dollars away from them, take their technological infrastructure that controls
Speaker 1: our minds away from them. What do they have? They
Speaker 1: have a card that says they're a member of the
Speaker 1: Libertarian Party. Okay, cool, go vote for the libertarian candidate,
Speaker 1: which you're not able to buy anymore. Sorry, you're not
Speaker 1: billionaire anymore. But alas, that's not the world we live in.
Speaker 1: We live in their world. Now, this is their world.
Speaker 1: They will tell you what they want you to hear,
Speaker 1: and you will repeat it, just like your JD. Vans,
Speaker 1: and somehow you won't know that's what you're doing. It's
Speaker 1: just sad that these stupid machines can get one over
Speaker 1: on humanity this way. We are supposed to be thinking,
Speaker 1: conscious human beings that have free will and have awareness.
Speaker 1: Currently we are not that. We are automatons being programmed
Speaker 1: what to think, what to do, how to vote, how
Speaker 1: to react, what to say. We are slaves to this
Speaker 1: stupid technological control grid, and it's pathetic, It's absolutely ridiculous,
Speaker 1: and I want to get mad and blame people. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to go out like pointing fingers like this
Speaker 1: guy's dumb because he does this. This guy in the
Speaker 1: altraternative media is an idiot. This guy's clearly a shill.
Speaker 1: He's getting paid by somebody. I don't know who, but
Speaker 1: obviously he is. Oh yeah, And there's also the Russian
Speaker 1: disinformation campaigns that align real neatly to this whole situation.
Speaker 1: Have we forgotten about that? There's a confluence of interests
Speaker 1: here that stand to benefit from the current situation. And
Speaker 1: I can tell you, if you're the average person, it's
Speaker 1: not you. We are not benefiting from this whatsoever. Stop
Speaker 1: pretending that we are. We have been fooled. Do you
Speaker 1: think Hulk Cogan showed up at the stupid uh, what
Speaker 1: the hell was the event? The Republican National Convention during
Speaker 1: the election. Hulk Hogan showed up. Do you know what
Speaker 1: that was? That was an inside joke? Okay, that's what
Speaker 1: that was. Another teal stooge is who he is if
Speaker 1: he didn't know, but hey, what does that matter?
Speaker 3: They canceled vincrick Man Aaron, what's wrong with you? I
Speaker 3: had to do it. Hulk Commedia had to run wild.
Speaker 3: What's the matter with you? Come on, man, join me
Speaker 3: in the new chat. Big balls, big balls.
Speaker 2: Big ah.
Speaker 1: There's an idiocracy quality to all this too, which is sad, truly.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 2: You know, I've been holding back from saying that because
Speaker 2: people said it way too often about you know, four
Speaker 2: years ago or so.
Speaker 1: But no, yeah, yeah, and it held then too, But
Speaker 1: now we're fully there. They're there.
Speaker 2: Look, you can't tell me that the guy and it's
Speaker 2: not even the smart guy in the in the uh
Speaker 2: you know, in the equation, it's the guy goes a
Speaker 2: lot of money, all Fredo Fredo, the guy who's sitting
Speaker 2: on his toilet chair with the big screen TV.
Speaker 3: That dude is.
Speaker 2: Like, I don't know, half the country now, yeah, seriously,
Speaker 2: that half the country is is Fredo's. They're all little Freedo's.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it does go back to the dumbing
Speaker 1: down of America, which is a real thing. Clearly, take
Speaker 1: a look around. It has been effective. And I just
Speaker 1: keep thinking of why don't we take offense? We should
Speaker 1: be offended?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, what's hilarious about that is Rush Limbaugh,
Speaker 2: of all people, called this where he said the dumbing
Speaker 2: down of America is coming to Fruition because and he
Speaker 2: said it with his big head and his oxy cotton
Speaker 2: addiction and everything. Okay, but he could see that part
Speaker 2: and he said, that's happening. Look, I used to actually
Speaker 2: regularly and here we go. This is almost like an
Speaker 2: alcoholics anonymous meeting. Ready, I used to actually watch Bill
Speaker 2: O'Reilly on a regular basis, who, by the way, is
Speaker 2: back on TV, although you wouldn't know it because he's
Speaker 2: on News Nation and mainly with Chris Cuomo. But I
Speaker 2: think they're giving him his own show again, just saying
Speaker 2: he's not on Fox anymore. But he also gets to
Speaker 2: make a decent living as a podcaster suddenly, all right,
Speaker 2: just saying not as good as Joe Rogan. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know a few people can be the king.
Speaker 3: I will, I will.
Speaker 1: Let's take notes, Chuck that Rogan this past week was dethroned.
Speaker 1: At least for the week. He's number two on the
Speaker 1: podcast charts, but we'll see if that holds. And apparently
Speaker 1: his listeners are madam. I haven't looked into it. Well,
Speaker 1: but it did make me feel good looking at the headline.
Speaker 2: I know, but don't feel too good because it happens
Speaker 2: every once in a while and he comes back and
Speaker 2: he reclaims his throne, and he's the number one guy
Speaker 2: on Spotify, and he's the number one guy on Apple,
Speaker 2: and he it, you know, because some true crime thing
Speaker 2: probably dethroned him. I didn't even look this week, but
Speaker 2: you and I follow some of these industry things. And
Speaker 2: I know this for a fact because you recently were
Speaker 2: listed as a podcast guest thing on one of these
Speaker 2: and that thing will net you probably one hundred people
Speaker 2: that are gonna want to be on your podcast.
Speaker 3: I just want you to know that.
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll we'll see who filters in, and if they're
Speaker 1: not completely insane, maybe I'm on the show.
Speaker 3: Every time it did.
Speaker 2: And you know what, don't rule out the completely insane
Speaker 2: because they might be very valuable at this time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And you're right.
Speaker 1: I need to continue my you have that spirit.
Speaker 3: Of the performance.
Speaker 2: This is one of the greatest things. I want everybody
Speaker 2: to know this, and not just that Aaron is and
Speaker 2: he's loyal and he's like, you know, an author all
Speaker 2: these great things. Why is it that you know, I've
Speaker 2: been asked this recently because you know, other people have
Speaker 2: noticed that others have come and gone from the network,
Speaker 2: Why is it that Aaron was the first one there
Speaker 2: and is still.
Speaker 3: There with you?
Speaker 2: And I go, well, look, I don't know what his
Speaker 2: motives are, but I can tell you what mine are,
Speaker 2: and mine or real simple is no matter what, Aaron
Speaker 2: has an honesty to him that is, I have never
Speaker 2: seen him deba from number one number two. He has
Speaker 2: this spirit of and the actions on occasion, but definitely
Speaker 2: always the spirit of a performance artist. Now, people that
Speaker 2: don't live in cities or near a college town probably
Speaker 2: are not fully aware of what a performance artist is.
Speaker 2: But if you go look it up, you study it
Speaker 2: a little bit, and you take a look at the
Speaker 2: very street level reality of being a performance artist, and
Speaker 2: how cool that can now. I don't even love some
Speaker 2: of your influences. You like guys like Tom Green. I
Speaker 2: think he's a moron, but yeah, but I actually appreciate
Speaker 2: some people that have done some magical things over time,
Speaker 2: Like you would even have to, you know, get a
Speaker 2: little warmth in your guts for a minute, for the
Speaker 2: guys who took paint cans and turned them into drum
Speaker 2: you know, drum sets, the first guys to do that years.
Speaker 3: Ago, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And the cool stuff that could come out of people
Speaker 2: that would perform on the street and take whatever change
Speaker 2: you could throw at them for an art that they
Speaker 2: crafted on their own. Mostly, I mean, these guys are
Speaker 2: not trained at Juilliard. Even if they come out with
Speaker 2: a big bass cello, you know what I mean, You
Speaker 2: never know what you might be getting. And I love
Speaker 2: stuff where people came out and played like with construction
Speaker 2: equipment and turned it into a band. You know, weird
Speaker 2: things like that. Music is always great, dancing is always great,
Speaker 2: but there are so many levels and so many possibilities
Speaker 2: in street level performance art and what Aaron does with
Speaker 2: his shows, all of his shows one way or another.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's very intellectual. Sometimes you've gotten weird on me
Speaker 2: lately political, but really, truthfully, everything is a commentary and
Speaker 2: there are multiple layers to this performance art that you
Speaker 2: are vested in as a broadcaster slash podcaster, and I
Speaker 2: just appreciate the privilege to ride along with you while
Speaker 2: you do this. And it doesn't matter like explaining the
Speaker 2: Uncle show to me years ago haha, and I went, what, like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I got to listen to this, but you know what,
Speaker 2: I don't want to listen to it. Bring it on
Speaker 2: my show and let's see. And this conversation really happened.
Speaker 2: Guys where I went, I don't understand, but you know what,
Speaker 2: bring it on my show.
Speaker 3: Do it?
Speaker 2: And Aaron is the kind of guy who went, okay,
Speaker 2: great and brings Uncle on the show. And I got
Speaker 2: exposed to Uncle on my show really first time. I
Speaker 2: mean I barely looked at the stuff just to get
Speaker 2: a taste of what was happening. And you had only
Speaker 2: maybe done like thirty or forty Uncle shows at that point,
Speaker 2: I think as podcasts.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it was early on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was much earlier on. Now we're into three
Speaker 2: hundred and something, okay, But the thing is that's over years.
Speaker 2: We did that over years, even with breaks, even with
Speaker 2: this and that, and that's yeah. I think it does
Speaker 2: include the New Year's Eve thing that we started doing,
Speaker 2: which has gotten mixed results.
Speaker 3: Yes, But the.
Speaker 2: Thing is, I mean a big gathering it was. Anyway,
Speaker 2: The point of this is, and now I've taken you
Speaker 2: over your time, but I want to make sure that
Speaker 2: people understand this. I love being along for the ride
Speaker 2: because Aaron is honest, creative and intelligent, and you know what,
Speaker 2: find me another guy who's actually doing that anywhere, So
Speaker 2: I'm happy. I don't even feel like I can cover
Speaker 2: all those bases ever, and I think I've grown into
Speaker 2: a broadcaster that has, you know, some skills, but I
Speaker 2: don't have the skills Aaron does because some of his
Speaker 2: stuff comes straight from the heart and straight from a
Speaker 2: mind that is way different than mine. And I love
Speaker 2: this for that reason. So I conclude my portion of
Speaker 2: adding into the Age of Transitions with that, and I
Speaker 2: wanted people to know it, and I want everybody to
Speaker 2: remember that is that you are privileged to be listening
Speaker 2: to a unique creator of content, a real unique creator,
Speaker 2: and there are not many of them. There's lots of
Speaker 2: talking heads, there's lots of parents, there's lots of propagandists,
Speaker 2: and you know what, there's more than one damn Joe
Speaker 2: Rogan out there, and most of them are funnier than him.
Speaker 2: I like Bill Burr's Monday Morning a podcast much better
Speaker 2: than that stupid Joe Rogan experience. I wish you would
Speaker 2: go back to fear factor. He was better at dumping
Speaker 2: worms on people.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know, please, Oh man, it's it's so insufferable
Speaker 1: to hear Joe Rogan to go on about comedy, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, because.
Speaker 2: Comedy, like as if anything having to do with the
Speaker 2: success in his career is really about his stand up comedy.
Speaker 3: It sucks.
Speaker 1: He believes, he believes that, he believes, absolutely believes. He thinks.
Speaker 1: Have you heard his spiel about like there's only like
Speaker 1: five hundred real stand up comedians left, of which he
Speaker 1: is definitely at the top of that list. You know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, there's only five hundred of us, where
Speaker 1: Dying Breed is like, oh my.
Speaker 2: God, yeah, there's there has never been five hundred good
Speaker 2: stand up comedians on earth at one time. And I'm
Speaker 2: a connoisseur of people don't know this about me. I'm
Speaker 2: actually a connoisseer of stand up comedy. Like going back
Speaker 2: to the likes of Lenny Bruce onward, okay, like like
Speaker 2: you know, John Barber, a guy who have had on
Speaker 2: the show many times because it was JFK documentary, was
Speaker 2: a stand up comedian and he had his interesting points,
Speaker 2: but not really that great. There are a handful of
Speaker 2: great that exist during any given generation, and Joe Rogan
Speaker 2: has now spanned like three generations, believe it or not,
Speaker 2: as a young comedian beginning as early as he did
Speaker 2: and everything else. And you know, Dave Chappelle is probably
Speaker 2: in his contemporary group.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, absolutely, he's He's definitely a contemporary Yeah. And
Speaker 1: if you go back in the years, Rogan's act used
Speaker 1: to be better than it is now. It was never great,
Speaker 1: but man, it keeps getting worse.
Speaker 2: When he was less, when he was less successful, he
Speaker 2: was more comedic. But the truth is he sucks. I
Speaker 2: mean all the way through. I don't like any objection. Seriously,
Speaker 2: find me an impressive Joe Rogan set just one set
Speaker 2: where he's more than fifteen minutes being funny. Not his
Speaker 2: stupid podcast, No, I mean live on stage with just
Speaker 2: a microphone. Dave Chappelle can sit down and tell you
Speaker 2: a story that he half makes up and is half
Speaker 2: based on reality, and tell you about going in to
Speaker 2: a cornfield and then finishing a comedy set, telling you
Speaker 2: about another comedy set going home, and like you know,
Speaker 2: trying to get intimate with his wife's feet. And that
Speaker 2: is a way more compelling story than anything Joe Rogan
Speaker 2: has ever done on a stage with a microphone by himself,
Speaker 2: and Dave Chappelle could talk about smoking a cigarette in
Speaker 2: the wrong place and make it a more compell See
Speaker 2: Chappelle's a storyteller. All that stuff, All that Rogan has
Speaker 2: is his popularity. Based on his popularity, he was able
Speaker 2: to get everybody from Elon Musk to Barack Obama on
Speaker 2: his show.
Speaker 1: Do you know who suggested doing podcasting to Joe Rogan? First?
Speaker 1: You know that this story is making a rounds online?
Speaker 2: Mate?
Speaker 1: Do you know about this?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Oh god, it was your favorite Tom Green. When Tom
Speaker 1: Green was doing the show in his house in LA
Speaker 1: he would have the guests in his house and he
Speaker 1: was early doing live stream like he had his own
Speaker 1: like he had to customize his setup live streaming from
Speaker 1: his house to do the show. He had Rogan on
Speaker 1: as a guest in like a two thousand and eight
Speaker 1: nine something like that, maybe two thousand and seven even,
Speaker 1: and Tom Green was like, oh, yeah, you should try podcasting.
Speaker 1: It's great, you can do whatever you want. And then
Speaker 1: Rogan was there like yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. And
Speaker 1: then you know the future is so the seed idea
Speaker 1: is on that. Interestingly, I'm telling you that.
Speaker 2: Look, if you're a bleeding heart liberal, listen to Mark
Speaker 2: Maron if you there are so many other better podcasts
Speaker 2: by stand up coming. Jim Florentine, the guy who used
Speaker 2: to do Yeah, special Ed. You know the guy who
Speaker 2: goes yay, I got mail, I got mail with the
Speaker 2: helmet on the head special Ed. That guy does a
Speaker 2: much funnier and more useful podcast than Joe Rogan has
Speaker 2: ever done in his life. A lot of these comedians
Speaker 2: have really cool podcasts. Some of them crack me up because,
Speaker 2: like Bill Burr literally sits there and like he takes
Speaker 2: on any spot and he's got like, hey, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: do the me undis ad and he makes a complete
Speaker 2: disaster of it, and you like it because it's Bill
Speaker 2: Burr being angry and talking crazy and he's good at it.
Speaker 2: He is, and he was perfect for that cartoon series,
Speaker 2: you know, uh, you know, he took his stand up
Speaker 2: and turned into a cartoon for a minute, pretty much
Speaker 2: like Bill Cosby.
Speaker 1: Did, right and all that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but remember all the greats that you can think
Speaker 2: of that were stand up comedians, they were also storytellers.
Speaker 2: Now forget about who he interviewed. What story has Joe
Speaker 2: Rogan ever told you, even if you've been able to
Speaker 2: go through the insufferable experience, unlike myself, tell me one
Speaker 2: great story Joe Rogan has ever told you. I have
Speaker 2: never had a Joe Rogan fan be able to answer
Speaker 2: that question because there is no story. There's no storyteller.
Speaker 2: Now tell me your favorite Joe Rogan joke. Guess what
Speaker 2: They still have no answer. The guy's not a comedian,
Speaker 2: not a storyteller, and for God's sake, he's not even
Speaker 2: a good podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you give me former presidents and Elon
Speaker 2: Musk to work with, I'm gonna get clicks. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get downloads, no problem. If you can feed me those
Speaker 2: kind of guests all day long, no problem, and Rogan
Speaker 2: gets them. But why and who's funding that? Somebody answer that,
Speaker 2: because you don't tell me that his commercials are able
Speaker 2: to support his two hundred million dollars and a staff
Speaker 2: and a studio, and get the hell out of here.
Speaker 2: I know the realities of this business, and I can
Speaker 2: see how they can hand bill O'Reilly living. I can
Speaker 2: see how they can hand you know, don Lemon living
Speaker 2: I even post network television, and in fact, they might
Speaker 2: get paid better than on network television. I can see
Speaker 2: how the economics work out there, and I can see
Speaker 2: the subscriber models from some of these you know has
Speaker 2: beens and people who you know, Oops, I made a
Speaker 2: racism Oh, I guess my career is over. Oh no,
Speaker 2: they found out that I was actually molesting my staff.
Speaker 2: I guess it's time for me to go do a
Speaker 2: podc cast. You know, Okay, that's fine and that's good.
Speaker 2: Or or I'm helping out my brother who's a governor,
Speaker 2: even though I shouldn't. But I'm a lawyer, Fredo, I'm
Speaker 2: getting into fist fights because people called me Freido. You know, Okay,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. These guys, I can see how they
Speaker 2: made a living after I can see how they justified
Speaker 2: still keeping million dollars you know, payrolls going. What said
Speaker 2: the most recent hero of the alleged alt media that
Speaker 2: came from Fox News. What's his name again?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson, Right, the guy who says even though he was,
Speaker 2: you know, directly related to the heiress of the Swanson
Speaker 2: you know, Frozen Dinner Fortune he never got a dollar
Speaker 2: of it, and his own mother allegedly only left him
Speaker 2: a dollar in her will. Whatever he gets to make
Speaker 2: a living, and he's been on all the different you know,
Speaker 2: alleged sides of the equation, from MSNBC to Fox News
Speaker 2: and ever after. I can see how a fiscally sound
Speaker 2: model can be made for that guy's career to continue
Speaker 2: right now. And one of the biggest things is Elon
Speaker 2: Musk suddenly has a podcast platform where Twitter x was
Speaker 2: just there for you to get out your one hundred
Speaker 2: and eighty characters, and then they expanded it, so you know,
Speaker 2: it's all good. But this Joe Rogan is clearly being
Speaker 2: propped up for a reason, and people should think about that.
Speaker 2: It is propaganda, and it's propaganda made cool and podcasting
Speaker 2: made cool. And now we have nine hundred thousand freaking
Speaker 2: people trying to be Joe Rogan, and when they're not
Speaker 2: trying to be Joe Rogan, they're agreeing with each other
Speaker 2: in a Brady Bunch split on Rumble, either that or
Speaker 2: the Russell brand, you know.
Speaker 3: Take your pick.
Speaker 2: And then there's another guy who you know again, oops,
Speaker 2: he made some bad moves. He's gonna get canceled and
Speaker 2: he's got a career now in podcasting, just saying they
Speaker 2: hand people these podcasting careers, where again, like you were saying,
Speaker 2: just a few years ago, and you and I have
Speaker 2: been through the whole cycle, it was like, dude, podcasting,
Speaker 2: why don't you just go and start a community theater,
Speaker 2: you know, like, yeah, do something where people will actually
Speaker 2: hear what you're saying, you know, yeah, yeah, and yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's the it's the new mainstream media. It's the
Speaker 1: new one, and it's owned by the big money, and
Speaker 1: it's used, it's it's it's almost way worse than the
Speaker 1: old mainstream media. But everybody's it's still they're still getting
Speaker 1: away with pretending that they're anti establishment and you know,
Speaker 1: pro First Amendment, pro freedom. They're still playing that harp
Speaker 1: with limited levels of success. But that's that's going to
Speaker 1: have to shift because clearly they just are the establishment now,
Speaker 1: right And I.
Speaker 2: Know you're a little too young for this, but it
Speaker 2: is almost that moment in time when real stand up
Speaker 2: comedians who are making social commentary in public constantly, despite
Speaker 2: the fact that they didn't have the Internet to comment
Speaker 2: on and the various platforms, and they got out there
Speaker 2: and got seen and got heard. You know those people,
Speaker 2: they had a horrifying collective moment, as you know social commentators,
Speaker 2: and they realized that at a certain point the former
Speaker 2: hippies had now become the yuppies. And this is in
Speaker 2: the nineteen eighties, so I know it's a little before
Speaker 2: your time, Aaron, But the point is this is the
Speaker 2: horror show that some of us who just have that
Speaker 2: context to be able to see it, are now enduring.
Speaker 2: And the amazing part is we can't get our friends
Speaker 2: to go to the theater to see Jason hack Up.
Speaker 2: The teenagers. Okay, we can't tell them that the horror
Speaker 2: movie's happening because they won't even bother to see it.
Speaker 2: They don't think the theater is real and Jason is
Speaker 2: a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 3: And that's where we're at.
Speaker 2: And I just don't know what to say as the
Speaker 2: technocracy has mission creep, and where are we going to
Speaker 2: be in.
Speaker 3: A few months.
Speaker 2: I don't know, ask the Ais because they will probably know, Aaron.
Speaker 2: With that, I've dragged you over time. But you know what,
Speaker 2: a little overtime on the age of transitions is a
Speaker 2: good thing.
Speaker 4: I think so.
Speaker 2: By all means, my friend, I leave it to you
Speaker 2: to end your show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I'll take it, Chuck.
Speaker 3: It was fun.
Speaker 1: It's going to make this a conversation and getting a
Speaker 1: little bit you know, taking a look as we always
Speaker 1: need to back at what was styled the alternative media
Speaker 1: previously but now is shifting into again the new mainstream media.
Speaker 1: But they wouldn't, Derek call themselves that, so they won't
Speaker 1: just continue to watch the branding play itself out because
Speaker 1: you know it's going to just be aware of this
Speaker 1: thing for once. Stop parroting all this stuff wants you
Speaker 1: to keep saying, stop doing it, stop playing by their rules.
Speaker 1: That's what we are doing. We're being manipulated by machines
Speaker 1: which do not think we're becoming machines, and we don't
Speaker 1: think it's time to realize that situation that we're in
Speaker 1: and change it. So it's not going to just do
Speaker 1: it by it. If we keep automating things, the analytics
Speaker 1: are going to push us in whatever direction that they will.
Speaker 2: And I feel like just adding this final note that
Speaker 2: I feel as though you and I could be unified
Speaker 2: under a single phrase. It's a little wordy, and maybe
Speaker 2: it needs to be edited just to touch. But I
Speaker 2: would say that we need to put on a T
Speaker 2: shirt and everywhere else we can this phrase. There is
Speaker 2: an US And then, however, you have gotten the identities
Speaker 2: of both wrong.
Speaker 1: Nice Chuck, that's a good one. Hey, yeah, indeed, yes.
Speaker 1: And I've always been happy to be a part of
Speaker 1: this group of misfits at the Ocelly Radio Network. It's
Speaker 1: not usually too big a group, but hey where we
Speaker 1: got our own drum beat going here, And that's the
Speaker 1: way we like it. That's the way we're going to
Speaker 1: keep it. What it gets us, I don't know. It
Speaker 1: doesn't get us two hundred million dollars a year. It
Speaker 1: doesn't get us the most views on any social media platform.
Speaker 1: Probably gets us suppressed on the platforms, quite frankly.
Speaker 2: And I almost always have an opening for somebody new
Speaker 2: who is unique and feels as though they don't have
Speaker 2: a comfortable place to be. We can make that happen.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, so it is available. It's not as
Speaker 2: though I'm not taking new people into account or new
Speaker 2: possibilities into account. I would love to expand the team here,
Speaker 2: but you cannot come here being somebody else. You got
Speaker 2: to come here being yourself. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Very good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we welcome you. I'd love to see another host
Speaker 1: to a cool show. I would, I would listen to it,
Speaker 1: I would enjoy it. Come on over come join us.
Speaker 1: We're I'm excited about the idea, so I would love
Speaker 1: to see that happen again. O'chelly dot com is the
Speaker 1: website there. My website is the Age of Transitions dot com.
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to this show, for sharing it around,
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