WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:03.439 Welcome to Primetime Crime. I'm your host, Kylie. Let's talk 2 00:00:03.520 --> 00:00:05.839 right now on true crime, and then together we're going 3 00:00:05.879 --> 00:00:09.880 to work on warming up some cold cases. Let's go. Hey, guys, 4 00:00:09.880 --> 00:00:13.880 welcome to this week's episode of Primetime Crime. It's Kylie. 5 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:16.839 We are going to get into a little right now 6 00:00:16.839 --> 00:00:19.120 in True Crime, and then we're going to get into 7 00:00:19.120 --> 00:00:22.000 this week's episode, which I feel like I've had recorded 8 00:00:22.039 --> 00:00:24.199 for a while. I think I recorded it well before 9 00:00:24.239 --> 00:00:26.359 Crime Con, but then, of course I had to do 10 00:00:26.399 --> 00:00:29.239 my Crime Con recap, and I had a couple of 11 00:00:29.280 --> 00:00:33.399 other filler guest episodes planned. So I'm looking forward to 12 00:00:33.679 --> 00:00:37.200 bringing you this episode today. So right now in True Crime, 13 00:00:37.240 --> 00:00:41.240 a few things have happened since last week that either 14 00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:44.520 happened after I recorded last week, because let me tell you, 15 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:47.359 I often like to record right now in True Crime 16 00:00:47.399 --> 00:00:51.520 Wednesday evening, and I tell you every single time something 17 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:55.359 happens on Thursday when I record on Wednesday, every single time. 18 00:00:55.960 --> 00:00:58.479 With that being said, I'm recording this on Wednesday. If 19 00:00:58.520 --> 00:01:01.200 anything crazy happens, I will sure to tack it on 20 00:01:01.399 --> 00:01:04.159 to the last little bit of this episode, all right, 21 00:01:04.239 --> 00:01:07.280 So getting into it. First thing up is an update 22 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:09.840 in the Anna Keepner case. Now, the last time we 23 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:13.400 talked about her case. She is the young lady who 24 00:01:13.680 --> 00:01:18.480 was allegedly murdered by her step brother on a cruise 25 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:22.000 ship last year. Late last year, the last time we talked. 26 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:25.719 Today had ordered that he could be out of custody 27 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:29.040 and travel around with an ankle monitor and be monitored 28 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:32.719 that way until he stood trial. But they have officially 29 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:35.840 ordered him into federal custody and that is where he 30 00:01:35.879 --> 00:01:39.519 will remain until his trial. So I don't know why 31 00:01:39.680 --> 00:01:42.400 the change of heart. That is exactly where he should be. 32 00:01:42.480 --> 00:01:44.879 He should be in federal custody. He should be behind 33 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:49.599 bars because going through everything that has been released thus 34 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:55.120 far on this case is actually terrifying, and he's only sixteen, 35 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:59.359 and that's really scary and really alarming. So I'm glad 36 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:02.959 that you ever made that decision, that they made that decision, 37 00:02:03.040 --> 00:02:06.680 and that is where he will remain until the trial. Okay, 38 00:02:06.799 --> 00:02:08.800 next thing I want to get into is the Long 39 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:13.680 Island serial killer was sentenced on Wednesday, and the judge 40 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:16.840 that did the sentencing, I am not familiar with him. 41 00:02:16.879 --> 00:02:18.319 I had to look up how to say his last 42 00:02:18.400 --> 00:02:20.639 name because I try to make sure that I'm saying 43 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:25.840 things the correct way. His name is Timothy Mattsy. He 44 00:02:26.280 --> 00:02:31.000 did not hold back whatsoever during this sentencing. I'm going 45 00:02:31.080 --> 00:02:34.680 to play a short little clip of him that Nate 46 00:02:34.719 --> 00:02:40.560 Eaton had posted on Facebook of the interaction between him 47 00:02:40.719 --> 00:02:46.000 and Rex Humerman, the confessed Long Island serial killer. It's 48 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:48.240 a very short clip, a couple of minutes long. I'm 49 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:50.840 gonna play that now. 50 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:06.560 At this gospel. Yeah, the words I would say had 51 00:03:06.599 --> 00:03:22.599 no meaning, and I'm gonna be rich. There's a human. 52 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:26.439 As mister tim said, I know that you're sorry that 53 00:03:26.479 --> 00:03:30.840 you got caught. I assume that you're sorry for what 54 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:31.759 you've done to your. 55 00:03:31.639 --> 00:03:32.599 Wife and children. 56 00:03:33.840 --> 00:03:35.759 Are you a little bit sorry for what you did 57 00:03:35.800 --> 00:03:39.479 to these poorness of women? Eight women that is strangled 58 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:42.000 to death, at least eight that we know of. Are 59 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:43.039 you at least a little. 60 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:52.400 Bit sorry for that? Yes, you know what. 61 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:58.199 You've been described as a very big man, but you're 62 00:03:58.240 --> 00:04:01.960 a disgusting and despicable small man. If you're a man 63 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:04.960 at all, and you're a coward. 64 00:04:10.159 --> 00:04:20.720 He Never in my life have I heard a judge 65 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:24.040 allow cheering in the courtroom like that. That to me 66 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:27.160 is absolutely wild. I have one hundred and ten percent 67 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:31.839 behind it because this guy is a actual monster. He 68 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:36.000 showed no emotion and honestly, when people were cheering at 69 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:39.399 the end, I could almost see him. To me, it 70 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:42.920 looked like he was smiling, smirking, like he was honestly 71 00:04:43.240 --> 00:04:45.759 loving the attention. I think that's type of person this 72 00:04:45.839 --> 00:04:48.600 guy is. No matter what type of attention it is, 73 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:52.959 whether it's negative or positive, he likes attention. But bravo 74 00:04:53.079 --> 00:04:55.839 to the judge. I really liked him. I thought that 75 00:04:56.040 --> 00:05:00.000 he did a great job and he's going away for life. 76 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:02.160 He's never going to see the light of day again. 77 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:05.600 I know his wife and I believe his daughter as well, 78 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:09.120 did not attend the sentencing. They originally, I think, had 79 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:12.519 planned on attending and then they made a decision not 80 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:17.519 to attend. Next up is Didty's release date has been 81 00:05:17.560 --> 00:05:20.120 moved up by two months, which I guess it's a 82 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:22.319 little over two months. I think it was originally going 83 00:05:22.319 --> 00:05:24.360 to be May. I might have made that up. Maybe 84 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:27.160 it was April. Now it's going to be February of 85 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:30.120 twenty twenty eight. I don't know why we are doing 86 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:33.720 did He any favors and giving him any extra time 87 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:40.160 out amongst the human population free. It's astonishing that these 88 00:05:40.199 --> 00:05:43.879 decisions are made. I will never make any sense of it, 89 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:48.319 and I wouldn't be surprised if it gets cut even 90 00:05:48.439 --> 00:05:52.199 more than February twenty twenty eight. I wouldn't be surprised 91 00:05:52.199 --> 00:05:54.680 if he's not out in twenty twenty seven. That's just 92 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:57.800 my opinion on things. I don't know the legalities behind 93 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:01.160 all of that, But how is this made in getting 94 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:05.000 out earlier than we thought? I mean, it's bad enough 95 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:10.360 that he's going to be out anyway. But yeah, that's 96 00:06:10.399 --> 00:06:13.079 the ditty update. All right, guys, I think that just 97 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:16.079 about does it for right now. In True Crime, we 98 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:20.519 are going to go ahead and get into this week's episode. Alrighty, guys, 99 00:06:20.519 --> 00:06:23.519 we are getting into a brand new unsolved case today. 100 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:26.480 In today's episode, I'm going to be telling you about 101 00:06:26.480 --> 00:06:31.920 the still unsolved December nineteen sixty two disappearance of three 102 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:37.240 year old William Ebenezer Jones Junior, better known as Billy Jones, 103 00:06:37.279 --> 00:06:41.079 from Vineland, New Jersey. He went missing in the middle 104 00:06:41.079 --> 00:06:44.199 of the morning on a Monday, right before Christmas in 105 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:48.879 nineteen sixty two. He vanished into thin air quite literally, 106 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:52.519 and all of these years later, his disappearance has us 107 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:56.800 with more questions than answers. Billy's case is considered one 108 00:06:56.839 --> 00:06:59.639 of the oldest missing children cases under the age of 109 00:06:59.720 --> 00:07:04.160 five in New Jersey. I personally believe that this is 110 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:08.839 a child abduction, and I'm unsure why it was ever 111 00:07:08.920 --> 00:07:12.879 considered anything but that. But let's step back in time 112 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:16.279 and talk about Billy's early life and the details surrounding 113 00:07:16.279 --> 00:07:21.360 his disappearance. William Ebenezer Jones Junior was born in Bridgeton, 114 00:07:21.439 --> 00:07:24.800 New Jersey on March fifth of nineteen fifty nine, to 115 00:07:24.879 --> 00:07:30.319 his parents, Evelyn Jones and his father, William Ebenezer Jones Senior. 116 00:07:31.079 --> 00:07:34.000 Billy was the oldest child and he had a younger 117 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:37.199 sister named Jill, who was two, and a younger brother, 118 00:07:37.360 --> 00:07:40.959 Bart who was one when Billy went missing, so the 119 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:46.600 Jones family had three young kids, ages one, two, and three. 120 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:49.199 William had worked outside of the home at the New 121 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:53.360 York Shipping Building Company in Camden, New Jersey. Evelyn was 122 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:56.639 a homemaker who stayed at home with her children. The 123 00:07:56.639 --> 00:08:00.160 family of five lived in Vineland, New Jersey, and in 124 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:05.160 a home that was located on Taylor Avenue. Vineland, New Jersey, 125 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:08.720 is located in South Jersey, and the city of Vineland 126 00:08:08.920 --> 00:08:12.920 was incorporated on July first of nineteen fifty two, which, 127 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:16.879 fun fact, is actually my mom's birthday July first, nineteen 128 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:20.720 fifty two. In present day twenty twenty six, it is 129 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:25.959 described as the most populous municipality in Cumberland County. According 130 00:08:25.959 --> 00:08:29.759 to the twenty twenty United States Census, the city's population 131 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:34.679 was sixty thousand, seven hundred and eighty. Although census records 132 00:08:34.720 --> 00:08:38.840 from back in nineteen sixty two, when Billy's alleged in 133 00:08:38.919 --> 00:08:43.000 my opinion, abduction occurred, are not available, it is safe 134 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:45.639 to say that the number was much less back in 135 00:08:45.720 --> 00:08:50.559 nineteen sixty two. The Jones family had two dogs. One 136 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:54.639 was a basset hound named baby Cakes, and a Collie. 137 00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:58.559 Billy especially loved dogs and is described as the type 138 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:02.720 that would do anything for I would imagine that this 139 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:06.440 was the case, especially for his family dogs. He loved them. 140 00:09:06.600 --> 00:09:10.720 They were his family. Billy was reportedly especially close to 141 00:09:11.159 --> 00:09:15.759 baby Cakes, the family's basset hound. Billy also loved reading 142 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:18.759 and playing with toy cars. I'm sure he was your 143 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:22.159 typical three year old boy, and he was only a 144 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:26.200 few months away from celebrating his fourth birthday. The date 145 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:30.279 was Monday, December seventeenth of nineteen sixty two, with it 146 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:33.480 being just a week before Christmas. It was a chilly 147 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:37.639 winter morning and the Jones family home was decorated for Christmas. 148 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:42.639 The family Christmas tree was up and decorated, and underneath 149 00:09:42.639 --> 00:09:46.080 the tree were some of Billy's presents that included coloring 150 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:50.679 books and a toy tank. This day started just like 151 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:55.159 any other for the Jones family. William Senior had departed 152 00:09:55.200 --> 00:09:58.080 that morning for work, and Evelyn had run some errands 153 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:01.039 with the children that morning as well. Billy got a 154 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:04.320 haircut and then Evelyn ran to the bank. Once they 155 00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:07.159 got home, Evelyn went inside to prepare lunch for the 156 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:10.720 children and tend to the youngest child, Bart. Billy and 157 00:10:10.840 --> 00:10:14.080 Jill proceeded to go outside with the family dogs. It 158 00:10:14.200 --> 00:10:17.000 was pretty typical for the kids to play outside while 159 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:20.720 Evelyn was inside prepping lunch and doing her other chores. 160 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:23.759 She would watch them from the window and keep an 161 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:27.320 eye on them. And remember this was a different time 162 00:10:27.360 --> 00:10:30.879 in nineteen sixty two, kids could safely play outside in 163 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:34.679 front of their home, especially in a safe area of town, 164 00:10:34.879 --> 00:10:38.879 which from everything I've seen, Vinelyn was described as being 165 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:43.120 very safe during this time. There was nothing that previously 166 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:46.480 would alert the Jones family to this being an unsafe 167 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:49.279 area or that the kids would not be safe outside 168 00:10:49.360 --> 00:10:52.000 of their own home. So, like I said, once they 169 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:55.320 got home, Billy and Jill took the family's dogs and 170 00:10:55.360 --> 00:10:58.799 they went outside. Billy was dressed in a blue gray 171 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:02.879 snowsuit with silver buttons and a navy collar. In his pockets, 172 00:11:02.919 --> 00:11:05.320 he had a dime that his mother had given him. 173 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:09.879 He also wore tan high top tennis shoes with yellow laces. 174 00:11:10.320 --> 00:11:14.200 There was nothing unusual about this day or about the 175 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:17.639 series of events of Billy and Jill going outside to 176 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:20.799 play while their mom prepared lunch and looked after their 177 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:25.279 younger brother. Around eleven forty five am that morning, a 178 00:11:25.320 --> 00:11:28.440 neighbor spotted Billy nearby and told him to go ahead 179 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:32.480 and head home. Then, at one pm, Evelyn, who had 180 00:11:32.519 --> 00:11:36.279 stepped into a bedroom to check on her youngest child, Bart, 181 00:11:36.759 --> 00:11:39.759 heard a knock on the door. When she opened the door, 182 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:42.279 she saw two year old Jill standing there in the 183 00:11:42.279 --> 00:11:46.799 doorway holding a plastic potted points set of plant, and 184 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:50.480 she said that she had either gotten it from Billy 185 00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:54.159 or from a man who took Billy. Now, I do 186 00:11:54.240 --> 00:11:57.480 want to be clear, as with any older case, the 187 00:11:57.559 --> 00:12:01.879 details vary depending on which source is used, So I 188 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:05.679 did want to state that I've seen both reports accounted 189 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:09.279 on numerous sites, one that said she got the pot 190 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:12.480 of plant from Billy and one that said she got 191 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:15.879 it from the man who took Billy. Jill then went 192 00:12:15.919 --> 00:12:19.519 on to say that the boogeyman took Billy. Evelyn was 193 00:12:19.600 --> 00:12:22.799 obviously panicked and raced out of the house and went 194 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:26.240 up and down the street looking for Billy. While she 195 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:29.399 was searching, an unknown man approached her and asked her 196 00:12:29.480 --> 00:12:33.320 if she was okay. The man, although a stranger to her, 197 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:38.159 knew her by name Missus Jones, and Evelyn didn't respond 198 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:41.960 to him or even ask what he wanted. She just 199 00:12:42.039 --> 00:12:44.879 continued on with her search. And I'm sure in the 200 00:12:44.960 --> 00:12:48.080 moment she was obviously frazzled, she had a lot of 201 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:51.440 thoughts probably racing through her mind. I don't think that 202 00:12:51.519 --> 00:12:54.159 it even occurred to her to stop and see what 203 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:58.200 this man wanted, what this man had to say, and 204 00:12:58.279 --> 00:13:01.559 who this man was, because she said that he was 205 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:05.240 a stranger to her and she was not familiar with him. 206 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:08.639 But yet he did know her by the name missus Jones. 207 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:13.279 So Evelyn continued with her search, and she searched and searched, 208 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:17.159 with no luck in finding Billy. Evelyn also discovered that 209 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:21.559 the family's basket hound was also missing. Evelyn then reported 210 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:25.039 Billy missing to the police. Now, the family's basket hound 211 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:28.200 would later be found a short distance from the home, 212 00:13:29.000 --> 00:13:32.720 and when she returned, she was soaking wet, which again 213 00:13:32.960 --> 00:13:37.559 is a really interesting little tidbit of information. Once Billy 214 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:41.240 was reported missing, everyone got involved in trying to find him. 215 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:45.480 By December eighteenth, over five hundred people were searching and 216 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:49.720 scouring the area trying to find Billy. Neighbors were helping 217 00:13:49.720 --> 00:13:53.679 in the search along with law enforcement and first responder personnel, 218 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:57.399 and this kicked off a four day search. They were 219 00:13:57.399 --> 00:14:01.519 searching on foot, by air, and also by boat. The 220 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:04.960 wooded area near the Jones home was searched, as well 221 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:09.159 as nearby Maurice River, but there was no sign of 222 00:14:09.240 --> 00:14:12.120 little Billy that turned up in all of these searches. 223 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:15.879 Bloodhounds also were brought in, but they lost the scent 224 00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:20.000 of Billy near the Jones home. Soon the search ended 225 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:23.000 because they truly had covered all of the ground that 226 00:14:23.039 --> 00:14:26.840 they could, and there was no place else left to look. 227 00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:31.039 Rumors began to swirl that Billy was abducted, and tips 228 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:34.519 began to pour in by the dozens. All tips were 229 00:14:34.559 --> 00:14:38.240 looked into and checked out. One notable tip came in 230 00:14:38.320 --> 00:14:41.360 from a woman named Dorothy de Palma who lived on 231 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:44.000 Baylor Avenue, which was about a block away from the 232 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:47.759 Jones home. She recalled seeing a girl in her late 233 00:14:47.799 --> 00:14:51.360 teens going across the back of her property carrying a 234 00:14:51.440 --> 00:14:55.279 young child in her arms. Now, this child was reportedly 235 00:14:55.320 --> 00:14:59.720 wearing a blue outfit. She of course didn't think anything 236 00:14:59.759 --> 00:15:03.039 of this initially until after she heard that Billy was 237 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:06.879 missing and what he had been wearing. But authorities still 238 00:15:06.960 --> 00:15:10.000 to this day have never been able to identify who 239 00:15:10.039 --> 00:15:13.360 this girl was or get a chance to question her. 240 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:16.720 So one of the biggest clues in this case is 241 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:19.960 the plastic point seta that Jill had in her hands 242 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:24.639 right after Billy had disappeared, and law enforcement did attempt 243 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:26.440 to try to figure out where this point set it 244 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:30.799 came from. Had it possibly been given to Billy by 245 00:15:30.879 --> 00:15:33.919 the kidnapper and then it was given to Jill kind 246 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:38.039 of as a distraction. Either way, the Jones family didn't 247 00:15:38.080 --> 00:15:40.200 know the origin of the point seta. This was not 248 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:43.840 something that they owned, This was not theirs, and it 249 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:47.600 was a plastic type of plant, so it was not 250 00:15:47.679 --> 00:15:51.480 a real point seta. It was plastic. So this was 251 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:54.919 kind of helpful to the investigation because law enforcement knew 252 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:57.919 that maybe they could track the origin of where this 253 00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:01.320 point set it came from. There were some rumors that 254 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:04.440 there was possibly somebody in the neighborhood that was selling 255 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:07.200 these plastic point SETAs in the days leading up to 256 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:12.320 Billy's disappearance, but this was proven to be false. But 257 00:16:12.440 --> 00:16:15.399 at the end of this investigation into where this plastic 258 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:20.519 point seta came from, it was concluded that this was 259 00:16:20.720 --> 00:16:23.559 likely from one of the Jones' neighbors who had thrown 260 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:27.279 away some point SETAs in the days before, and it 261 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:30.039 had kind of been passed around between the kids in 262 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:35.720 the neighborhood and investigators thought that Billy had maybe come 263 00:16:35.759 --> 00:16:38.360 across it and that's how it ended up in Joel's possession. 264 00:16:39.039 --> 00:16:42.279 Investigators learned that there was a trash collection in the 265 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:45.720 area where the Jones family lived between one point thirty 266 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:50.600 and two pm that day that Billy was taken, and 267 00:16:50.679 --> 00:16:53.720 there was speculation that maybe Billy could have crawled into 268 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:56.759 a trash bin and maybe all of this was just 269 00:16:56.840 --> 00:17:00.600 a tragic accident. Investigators were able to speak with one 270 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:03.080 of the trash men who said he did not see 271 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:06.079 Billy at all. And this was back in the day 272 00:17:06.119 --> 00:17:09.440 when trash men would actually go pick up the trash 273 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:12.599 can themselves physically and throw it in the back of 274 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:16.000 the garbage truck. And if Billy had been in there, 275 00:17:16.160 --> 00:17:19.160 he would have seen him, There's no way around it. 276 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:22.920 But investigators did what they had to, and they did 277 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:25.799 actually go out and search the landfill and there was 278 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:30.200 no sign of Billy there either. So for me, the 279 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:32.480 whole point set a thing I think is such an 280 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:36.559 important part of this case. It is very likely that 281 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:39.240 this point seta was thrown in the trash by a 282 00:17:39.279 --> 00:17:42.960 neighbor and Billy just happened upon it. But I also 283 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:45.880 think there's room to say that that point seto was 284 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:49.480 brought to Billy and Jill by this allege of doctor 285 00:17:50.200 --> 00:17:53.480 as kind of a distraction. But again, like I said, 286 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:57.240 that is just my opinion, because all reports that I've 287 00:17:57.279 --> 00:18:01.000 seen say that that point that it did in fact 288 00:18:01.160 --> 00:18:05.039 come from a neighbor's trash, and it was one of 289 00:18:05.039 --> 00:18:07.279 those kind of things that had just been passed around 290 00:18:07.319 --> 00:18:10.680 between all of the neighborhood kids. But what if that 291 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:14.279 is the missing piece of the puzzle. What if they 292 00:18:14.319 --> 00:18:18.680 missed out on a huge piece of evidence by saying, okay, 293 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:21.720 it belonged to a neighbor. In the days following the 294 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:26.960 disappearance of Billy, local radio station WWBZ offered a five 295 00:18:27.039 --> 00:18:30.839 hundred dollars reward leading to information about the disappearance of 296 00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:35.079 young Billy Jones. The FBI was called in and they 297 00:18:35.119 --> 00:18:38.119 did get involved, and this is where the turning point 298 00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:42.799 of the case happened, because everybody thought that it would 299 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:46.400 officially be classified as a child abduction case and not 300 00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:50.319 just a missing child's case. But they insisted that they 301 00:18:50.359 --> 00:18:53.480 didn't have enough evidence to call this a child abduction 302 00:18:54.319 --> 00:18:57.279 and they proceeded on as if it was just a 303 00:18:57.319 --> 00:19:02.160 missing child's case. Billy's pair obviously very much struggled with 304 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:05.200 everything that happened, and they ended up leaving the area 305 00:19:05.319 --> 00:19:10.000 shortly after Billy went missing. Billy's father especially struggled, and 306 00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:12.960 the family as a whole didn't really speak of what 307 00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:17.079 happened to them. It was obviously a very traumatic experience, 308 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:21.079 and I can't even imagine personally what they went through 309 00:19:21.880 --> 00:19:25.680 and how it changed the trajectory of their lives, because 310 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:29.200 it did, and not having those answers still all of 311 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:33.680 these years later has to be so hard. In the investigation, 312 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:36.279 the Jones family didn't really know what else to do, 313 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:40.079 so they ended up turning to a local psychic. This 314 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:43.680 particular psychic claimed that Billy was in fact still alive. 315 00:19:44.359 --> 00:19:46.640 She said that Billy had been abducted by a man 316 00:19:46.680 --> 00:19:48.960 whose wife had been in the process of having a 317 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:52.319 mental breakdown because she had lost her son. She said 318 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:54.880 that she believed that Billy had been taken to the 319 00:19:54.880 --> 00:19:58.359 Amish area of Pennsylvania and was being raised by this 320 00:19:58.519 --> 00:20:02.759 new family. Investigators didn't believe this to be true because 321 00:20:02.759 --> 00:20:05.400 they thought that Billy was old enough to have memories 322 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:08.799 of his life, and as he got older, he would 323 00:20:08.920 --> 00:20:12.640 have said something to somebody about these people not being 324 00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:17.240 his family, which I don't entirely agree with, because Stockholm 325 00:20:17.319 --> 00:20:21.559 syndrome is a real thing, and the ability to brainwash somebody, 326 00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:25.880 especially somebody so young, is also a real thing, and 327 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:30.960 Billy was so young when this abduction happened. Alleged abduction happened, 328 00:20:31.440 --> 00:20:34.279 So I do think it's entirely possible that Billy was 329 00:20:34.359 --> 00:20:37.799 taken by somebody who wanted a child and they just 330 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:40.960 went on to raise him as their own, and he 331 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:45.000 knows no different because that is his life. In nineteen 332 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:48.519 sixty four, another psychic came forward and told the family 333 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:51.880 that Billy had been accidentally struck and killed by somebody. 334 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:54.960 The psychic then went on to say that Billy had 335 00:20:55.000 --> 00:20:58.119 been buried, and she even gave a description of the 336 00:20:58.160 --> 00:21:02.359 man in his car that allegedly hit Billy. Years later, 337 00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:05.440 Jill was placed under hypnosis in hopes that she would 338 00:21:05.519 --> 00:21:09.000 remember something from the day of the abduction, because you 339 00:21:09.160 --> 00:21:12.799 have to remember, she is the key eyewitness here to 340 00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:16.240 what happened, and she was only two years old, and 341 00:21:16.440 --> 00:21:20.440 I'm sure this whole thing was so traumatic for her 342 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:24.480 her brain likely blocked a lot of it out. While 343 00:21:24.559 --> 00:21:27.480 under hypnosis, Jill was able to recall that she was 344 00:21:27.559 --> 00:21:31.480 holding hands with Billy, and she remembers seeing two men 345 00:21:31.720 --> 00:21:34.599 fighting in front of an oil drum fire at a 346 00:21:34.640 --> 00:21:38.440 place called the Palace of Depression, which was a landmark 347 00:21:38.440 --> 00:21:42.799 that was located near the Jones family home. Jill recalls 348 00:21:43.079 --> 00:21:45.440 running and before she knew it, she was at the 349 00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:49.720 front door of her house. Now, the Palace of Depression 350 00:21:50.039 --> 00:21:53.720 was extensively searched, and nothing tied to Billy ended up 351 00:21:53.799 --> 00:21:57.400 coming up there. Still, to this day, Jill vows that 352 00:21:57.480 --> 00:22:00.200 she is going to find her brother and has not 353 00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:03.920 given up her search. In an interview with New Jersey 354 00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:08.039 dot Com from a twenty seventeen article, Jill stated this 355 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:12.680 about her brother's disappearance. Quote, It's amazing how things get 356 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:15.720 blocked in your brain and you can't unlock them. I 357 00:22:15.880 --> 00:22:19.559 give anything to remember all of it. End quote. Now, 358 00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:23.160 there are some things from Jill's childhood that she remembers 359 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:27.079 so vividly, Like she can remember holding Billy's hand, but 360 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:30.880 she doesn't remember what happened to him. She doesn't remember 361 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:34.279 what happened in those moments after she was holding his hand. 362 00:22:34.880 --> 00:22:37.039 And like I said, we have to remember that Jill 363 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:39.559 was only two years old when all of this happened. 364 00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:43.119 Age progress photos of Billy have been done and I 365 00:22:43.160 --> 00:22:46.319 will be sharing those on my social media's, so please 366 00:22:46.359 --> 00:22:49.519 be sure to head over to my Instagram or Facebook 367 00:22:49.559 --> 00:22:53.119 pages and check them out. Jill has also submitted and 368 00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:56.519 given her DNA sample. Over the years, and there have 369 00:22:56.680 --> 00:22:59.200 been a lot of leads and tips that have come in, 370 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:04.400 Billy has never been found. There's also been no remains 371 00:23:04.480 --> 00:23:08.440 found that have been tied to him. Retired Vinlin police 372 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:12.240 Sergeant Patrick Daughtry says that somebody has to know something, 373 00:23:12.880 --> 00:23:15.319 and he has been quoted as saying that he's not 374 00:23:15.440 --> 00:23:19.039 going to rule out that Billy is alive. And after 375 00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:22.039 all of these years, it is now generally believed that 376 00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:27.160 Billy was abducted versus he just wandered off or accidentally 377 00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:31.279 got killed in some type of accident. Jill is the 378 00:23:31.359 --> 00:23:34.559 last remaining family member left of the Jones family, and 379 00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:36.880 she holds out hope that one day she will find 380 00:23:36.920 --> 00:23:41.799 her brother. She's quoted as saying, when somebody dies, you 381 00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:44.720 know where they're at, But with Billy, you don't have 382 00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:48.559 an answer. And with that being said, Jill does believe 383 00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:51.680 that Billy is alive and out there, and she still 384 00:23:51.720 --> 00:23:55.880 searches for him daily and tries to keep the word 385 00:23:55.920 --> 00:23:59.119 out there that Billy is still missing and he could 386 00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:03.359 very well be out there living his life and unaware 387 00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:06.920 that he was an abducted child. All the way back 388 00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:11.400 in nineteen sixty two. Just to recap everything, Billy Jones 389 00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:14.279 was three years old when he disappeared. He stood three 390 00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:18.000 feet six inches tall and weighed thirty five pounds. He 391 00:24:18.079 --> 00:24:21.400 had a vaccination scar on the back of his left forearm, 392 00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:25.359 resembling a giraffe. He was wearing a blue gray snowsuit 393 00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:28.480 with silver buttons and a navy collar. In his pocket, 394 00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:30.720 he had a dime that his mother had given him. 395 00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:34.839 He also wore ten high top tennis shoes with yellow laces. 396 00:24:35.160 --> 00:24:38.720 He had piercing blue eyes. If you were in or 397 00:24:38.759 --> 00:24:41.680 around the area of the Jones family home that day, 398 00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:45.119 really go back and search your mind for anything that 399 00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:48.480 you might have seen or anything out of the ordinary 400 00:24:48.759 --> 00:24:52.880 that you might have heard after the fact. One clue 401 00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:56.920