1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on? Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,519 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:18,719 I daily show prep with all of the links, become 6 00:00:18,719 --> 00:00:22,359 a patron, go to dpeteclendarshow dot com. Make sure you 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,920 hit the subscribe button. Get every episode for free right 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,320 to your smartphone or tablet. And again, thank you so 9 00:00:27,399 --> 00:00:28,320 much for your support. 10 00:00:29,839 --> 00:00:31,559 Speaker 2: Hey, whatever the heck's on your mind, we can talk 11 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:35,039 about anything, free for all. Whatever whatever you're thinking about 12 00:00:35,079 --> 00:00:37,439 you would like to discuss, please do give us a call. Tracy, 13 00:00:37,799 --> 00:00:40,000 I really appreciate you staying on hold. You had been 14 00:00:40,039 --> 00:00:42,000 on hole for a while and you had some thoughts 15 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,399 about transit. What's on your brain today? And thank you 16 00:00:44,439 --> 00:00:44,799 for calling. 17 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 3: Well. I was in business for thirty years in Mecklenburg 18 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:55,000 County and once they started all their taxes that are 19 00:00:55,039 --> 00:00:59,520 not in the other counties and then South Carolina, they've 20 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,840 lost business. When they add another penny, they're going to 21 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:09,159 double their loss because people go to link Union, Gaston, 22 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:17,040 York County, all the counties around Kataba if they are 23 00:01:17,079 --> 00:01:20,799 close enough to buy their groceries and things. That makes 24 00:01:20,799 --> 00:01:24,719 a big difference when you take two CIDs times one 25 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:31,480 hundred or two hundred dollars for groceries. It is nobody's 26 00:01:31,519 --> 00:01:37,359 ever thought of it. And the transportation system. When I 27 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:42,799 had a business which I so, I had an employee 28 00:01:43,519 --> 00:01:50,200 putation the bus people to move a bus one block 29 00:01:50,319 --> 00:01:55,040 to pick up more passengers. He had two hundred signatures 30 00:01:55,079 --> 00:01:59,000 from fellow workers from the area and some of the 31 00:01:59,079 --> 00:02:02,560 business owners, and they wouldn't even give even an answer. 32 00:02:03,719 --> 00:02:07,280 That's what's wrong with public transfer based They don't want 33 00:02:07,319 --> 00:02:11,800 to accommodate nobody. It's just be like Seattle and Portland. 34 00:02:13,599 --> 00:02:16,319 Speaker 2: There is a lot of that. It's a smart growth 35 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,080 mentality that isn't really smart. 36 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 3: So yeah, okay, well, thank you forgiving me much answer 37 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:24,159 to speak my mind. 38 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:30,199 Speaker 2: Yes, sir, I appreciate your calling and thank you for that. Hey, 39 00:02:30,319 --> 00:02:33,240 you know an entrepreneur who you know made it through life. 40 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,639 It's amazing to me. I remember when Charlotte was first 41 00:02:36,719 --> 00:02:39,039 going to build the very first line and we held 42 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,439 the forums down there and at the time it was 43 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,280 Mayor McCory, and you know that the facts just weren't 44 00:02:45,319 --> 00:02:48,960 there to really support it. People wanted it more than 45 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,560 they needed it, and and a lot of transit is 46 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,199 more want based than need based. And that's what we're 47 00:02:54,199 --> 00:02:57,039 sitting down another penny on the on the sales sacks 48 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,520 and stuff like that. But again, your calls come first. 49 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,039 You want to get and it's seven and four five 50 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,400 seven zero and I'm sorry, seven of four, five, seven 51 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,319 eleven ten, Mike, welcome to the show. I think you're 52 00:03:07,319 --> 00:03:09,360 going to go down the till Us road a little bit. 53 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:09,960 What's going on? 54 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 4: Hey, Chad, how are you, sir? 55 00:03:13,039 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 2: I'm fantastic. 56 00:03:15,199 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 4: Well two points real quick before I get to time, 57 00:03:17,439 --> 00:03:19,879 tell us one what a really nice job you have 58 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,199 done this week. I have listen going and off, and 59 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,240 I know they've got you stuck at five am doing 60 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,120 a really good job talking about all things Raleigh. But 61 00:03:28,199 --> 00:03:30,120 I'm not sure gonna get five am that Mas song 62 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,800 because you can do a nice job here. Well, yeah, 63 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,560 calls moving and it's it's high. 64 00:03:35,599 --> 00:03:39,439 Speaker 2: So Mike, let me just correct one thing. That's my 65 00:03:39,439 --> 00:03:42,479 good friend Nick Craig that does five to six right, 66 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,039 you're right here. He's a fine young man. I actually 67 00:03:45,199 --> 00:03:47,639 helped bring him to North Carolina for my station A 68 00:03:47,639 --> 00:03:49,840 few years back. Nick's a good guy, but I'm Chad. 69 00:03:49,879 --> 00:03:51,919 I'm doing the peat show this week. But thank you. 70 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:53,439 I think you're giving us both. 71 00:03:53,879 --> 00:03:55,879 Speaker 4: And when you still and for the various side, I 72 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,800 enjoyed here a good job this week with two those 73 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,439 are tough. Thank you, school Phil. The second thing is 74 00:04:01,479 --> 00:04:04,039 I've got to shout out to Vince Coke because I 75 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:08,800 was hearing him earlier and he mentioned somebody who passed 76 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,120 away this week that I was not familiar with, the 77 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,319 boy or boy who light up my morning? Do you 78 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:19,480 know Mama mosey Birth again was he got at ninety 79 00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:22,680 two and he played the music over hers and I've 80 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,920 been it was great. I mean it was just great. 81 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,399 Mama mosey Berg, great gospel singer that in Mississippi. And 82 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,120 if you're needing to lift up this afternoon, just google 83 00:04:32,199 --> 00:04:34,759 her or put on YouTube and she will get your 84 00:04:34,759 --> 00:04:35,879 movie and no question about it. 85 00:04:36,759 --> 00:04:38,199 Speaker 2: Okay, appreciate that. 86 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, would time tell us you were talking about at 87 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:48,160 the top of the hour, you know his departure and uh, 88 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:54,040 you know now apparently feeling the freedom to dispute more 89 00:04:54,360 --> 00:05:01,079 honestly and and of course not worring for reelection. The 90 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,279 handwriting on on on that on the wall, though in 91 00:05:04,319 --> 00:05:08,600 my mind in many ways was revealed to me at 92 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,959 news and Bruise I went, were you there? 93 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 5: I think he wasn't use a booze? No, sir, all right, Well, 94 00:05:19,439 --> 00:05:22,920 somehow his name came up during one of the panel discussions, 95 00:05:23,439 --> 00:05:26,959 and in the w BT crowd, which of course is 96 00:05:26,959 --> 00:05:29,839 a very conservative crowd, and he's really a very very 97 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:34,199 conservative guy, there was this crescendo of booze that arose 98 00:05:34,319 --> 00:05:36,680 in the crowd when his name was mentioned, and there 99 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,680 was this discussion back and forth and that basically he 100 00:05:39,879 --> 00:05:42,800 was looked upon as a necessary evil if you're going 101 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,920 to hold that seat. And I was just wanting to 102 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,519 ask you, what, what do you think the chances are 103 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,399 that the Republicans are going to be of a hole 104 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:51,800 on the seat next next year. 105 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,439 Speaker 2: Well, let's talk Tillis first, because you brought Tillis's name 106 00:05:55,519 --> 00:05:59,759 up so mentioned the booze. So remember Tillis was censured 107 00:06:00,399 --> 00:06:04,319 by the North Carolina Republican Party for some of his 108 00:06:04,439 --> 00:06:06,560 actions that were against the platform and some of the 109 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,879 things said. This was years ago, This isn't recent, this 110 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,360 is years ago. And Tillis was able to never have 111 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,800 a serious primary in North Carolina when you know his 112 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:18,560 first time when he d v D k Hagen in 113 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,639 the second time, so Greg, Greg what was that kid? 114 00:06:21,759 --> 00:06:24,439 Greg Bannon was the first opponent that he just never 115 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,319 had one. So once he gets to the general election, 116 00:06:26,399 --> 00:06:28,399 he does quite well because he's kind of a center 117 00:06:28,519 --> 00:06:32,560 right guy more than a flaming conservative. So what do 118 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,920 I think the chances That's a great question. I had 119 00:06:34,959 --> 00:06:38,839 a long discussion early this morning with someone in Raleigh 120 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,519 that whose opinions I trust, and we were talking about 121 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,120 so and this is and you can look this up. 122 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:46,800 Anything I'm going to mention is a lot of what 123 00:06:46,879 --> 00:06:49,680 you can look up there are from the time till 124 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,240 his first ran to now there are seven hundred thousand 125 00:06:53,439 --> 00:07:00,199 more Republicans registered in North Carolina. That's a monumental shift 126 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,560 that makes it more red than not. Remember the last 127 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,639 time someone was elected as a Democrat in that seat 128 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:10,040 was kay Hagen and that was in twenty ten. So 129 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,160 it's been well, yeah, I think that's right, twenty ten. 130 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,000 Tom Tillis twelve years is just gonna subtract twelve twenty 131 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:17,920 six and we're back to fourteen. So it had been 132 00:07:17,959 --> 00:07:22,199 twenty eight, two thousand and eight, so it's an uphill 133 00:07:22,199 --> 00:07:24,399 climb for the Democrats. I think Roy Cooper is a 134 00:07:24,439 --> 00:07:27,480 well known name. He is someone who has one statewide races, 135 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,639 like Josh Dine and like Jeff Jackson have. But I 136 00:07:30,639 --> 00:07:34,160 do think it depends on the candidate the political right picks. 137 00:07:35,079 --> 00:07:37,079 They're gonna it's gonna be one of the most expensive 138 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,079 races in the in the country, and it all depends 139 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:41,120 on how they can check. 140 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:41,639 Speaker 3: Out next year. 141 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 2: I think it it and and Roy Cooper would be 142 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,920 a strong candidate. He typically doesn't like close races, so 143 00:07:50,319 --> 00:07:52,720 I don't know that he'll be the nominee or want 144 00:07:52,759 --> 00:07:54,560 to be the nominee, but it would be his for 145 00:07:54,639 --> 00:07:56,759 the taking. But I think the Republicans are going to 146 00:07:56,839 --> 00:07:58,720 have to get there. They're gonna have to get their 147 00:07:58,759 --> 00:08:01,879 act together, whether it's Harrygan or Lara Trump something of 148 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,240 that nature. But if it is Lara Trump that I 149 00:08:04,279 --> 00:08:06,519 think that that would be even though it's kind of 150 00:08:06,519 --> 00:08:10,040 a Hillary Clinton running in New York race, meaning that 151 00:08:10,079 --> 00:08:11,680 she's been in Florida for a while, but she also 152 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,519 has roots in North Carolina. So I don't know the answer, 153 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,639 but I would say that that it's better. It's a tough, 154 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,439 tougher shot for Democrats and Republicans at this point in time. 155 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:21,199 How's that fare? 156 00:08:21,279 --> 00:08:22,319 Speaker 3: Not well? 157 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, I can see that maybe from demographics, although I'm 158 00:08:25,879 --> 00:08:30,560 of the opinion that really is is a much more 159 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,840 purple state that I think most people give it credit for. 160 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,879 You know, looking at the Council of State, looking at 161 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:38,759 last year. 162 00:08:40,639 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 2: And what do you what do you think it was 163 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,879 significant about last year? I mean, I'll tell you what 164 00:08:44,879 --> 00:08:46,799 I think it was. But why do you think that 165 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,799 What you're referring to for our listeners is the Council 166 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,480 of State is split five to five. Democrats actually picked 167 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,440 up one of those Council of the State seats, but 168 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,759 you know, Elaine Marshall's there and Roy Cooper and Jeff Jackson, 169 00:08:57,879 --> 00:09:00,360 you know, heading off the Democrat team. But what do 170 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,039 you think was significant about last year for Democrats? If 171 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,279 you're you know, I'll focus. 172 00:09:05,919 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 4: On the Stein and Jackson races, and I think they 173 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,600 give a lesson. Frankly for national Democrats. It's just me talking, 174 00:09:12,639 --> 00:09:15,720 but I think there's there's something to this, and that 175 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,879 is looking at the races they ran. I think it's 176 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:25,639 candidates they treated voters like adults, meaning that there wasn't 177 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,759 so much demonization of the other folks. And there was 178 00:09:29,799 --> 00:09:34,360 that because you always get that, but it was basically, well, 179 00:09:34,399 --> 00:09:35,799 I think Jeff Jackson had a lot of one of 180 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,200 his commercials, I'm running for Attorney General, basically the normal 181 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:46,399 person I put forward. You know, they were put the issues. 182 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,799 Say why they thought about them the way they did. 183 00:09:50,279 --> 00:09:53,720 Now the Deever's race, of course, Stein was blessed by 184 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,279 Mark Robinson being Mark Robinson, but here. 185 00:09:57,159 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 2: Blessed Mike Mike. He wasn't blessed by the That was 186 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,759 good opponent research. I'm not gonna let you say that 187 00:10:02,799 --> 00:10:05,759 it was just blessed. He was good research. Robinson was 188 00:10:05,759 --> 00:10:11,600 a tremendously flawed candidate. Yeah, they played that perfectly. They 189 00:10:11,639 --> 00:10:14,039 had that information for a while. They played it perfectly. 190 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,799 There was no recovery that was going to happen, and 191 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,360 that's what led to a lot of the Democrats getting 192 00:10:19,399 --> 00:10:21,240 another seat on the council state in my opinion. 193 00:10:21,279 --> 00:10:23,039 Speaker 1: All right, if you're listening to this show, you know 194 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,120 I try to keep up with all sorts of current events, 195 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,200 and I know you do too, and you've probably heard 196 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,320 me say, get your news from multiple sources. 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James what's up man? 218 00:11:36,799 --> 00:11:46,519 How are you hello? James? Okay? Is Chris there? 219 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:51,639 Speaker 3: Brud Jent? 220 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 2: Okay? So who about to do get James? Or I 221 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:54,960 have Chris? 222 00:11:56,279 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 6: Oh this is Chris, sir. 223 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,080 Speaker 2: Okay, Chris. I guess we'll get James back in the minute. Well, 224 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:01,559 what's on your brain today? How the heck are you? 225 00:12:02,399 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 6: I'm doing well man. 226 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,879 Speaker 2: Happy Friday to you, Thank you, sir, you too. 227 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:12,879 Speaker 6: I wanted to give an attention alert five alarm alert 228 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,960 to all Cabertra's county citizens that Monday, the twenty first, 229 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:21,519 at their government center in downtown Concord at the Commissioner's 230 00:12:21,639 --> 00:12:24,919 regular meeting, there's going to be a public forum on 231 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:30,320 the EDC, the Economic Development Committee, who has the authority 232 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,799 to give away up to eighty five percent of our 233 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:38,360 property tax dollars to businesses that aren't part of the county, 234 00:12:38,399 --> 00:12:41,559 but they want to lure them in. And they're talking 235 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,480 about going down to eighty percent and only giving away 236 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,159 eighty percent of the property taxes to lure in businesses, 237 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:52,720 which I am definitely against corporate welfare and am trying 238 00:12:52,759 --> 00:12:54,919 to find others that are. They've been doing this for 239 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,039 a decade plus in Cabert's County and have given away 240 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,240 hundreds of millions of dollars in proper tax and with 241 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,120 hundreds of millions of dollars of promised investment in the community, 242 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,399 and our taxes continue to go up. So the system 243 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,840 is not working and I would like to stop giving 244 00:13:11,879 --> 00:13:15,519 away our property tax dollars to those who aren't even 245 00:13:15,919 --> 00:13:17,039 part of this county. 246 00:13:18,159 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 2: Well, let me you know, first, I want to get 247 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,960 into Christa so I can empathize with this. Having been 248 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,360 a county commissioner in a different county and the Economic 249 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,799 Development Corporation, and what it typically did was it would 250 00:13:28,799 --> 00:13:31,759 invite or a company was interested. It would give them 251 00:13:31,759 --> 00:13:35,320 like ten years a tax fore or give them a rebate, 252 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,559 but you can't call it a rebate because that's illegal, 253 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,279 so they would call you know, it would be like 254 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,120 an abatement, but you're not. But we found that they 255 00:13:42,159 --> 00:13:44,559 would bring in companies that were competing with companies that 256 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,159 were in our county that we're paying full taxes. So 257 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,120 you're giving an economic advantage to one and not treating 258 00:13:50,159 --> 00:13:53,080 everyone equally. So I agree with. 259 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 6: You, and not even that, but you're not treating those 260 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,960 that have been here for decades paying one hundred percent right, 261 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,000 and then you're going to butt into compete with them 262 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,960 and give them a break. It's just a Capitalism is 263 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,519 supposed to be the economic development, not some twisted up 264 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,159 socialism where they give out special breaks to those who 265 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,039 they want to bring in and there's no set parameters. 266 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,279 They can make it up as they go. Whose cousin, 267 00:14:14,399 --> 00:14:17,240 who's brother in law who. It's just disgusting and it's 268 00:14:17,399 --> 00:14:21,200 not gonna it's not gonna last. We're following suit of 269 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:25,240 every other liberal bastion stadium. We see where this is headed, 270 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,639 and it's like watching a slow train coming to run 271 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,799 us over and we're screaming, hey, here it comes, here 272 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:35,600 it comes. And we the people keep sending fiscally conservative 273 00:14:35,919 --> 00:14:39,759 representatives into the board and they either leave or they 274 00:14:39,759 --> 00:14:42,639 get replaced, or they get in there and they get 275 00:14:42,639 --> 00:14:45,480 their heads twisted up and they turn on the people 276 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:47,440 that send them in there and they start making these 277 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:48,360 backroom deals. 278 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 2: Well, Chris, it's the lure. It's kind of the as 279 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,399 what did Doug Glenn Fry say in Spugglers Loves. It's 280 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,759 the lure of easy money. It's got a very strong appeal. 281 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,600 So when you look at this. It's fascinting because on 282 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,200 the one hand, you're like, hey, I'm giving a tax 283 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,039 relief to this company, but not all companies. And the 284 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,799 greatest economic development is when you have lower taxes, great infrastructure, 285 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,759 low crime, great schools, because everyone wants to live there, 286 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,399 everyone wants to build their business there. But instead you 287 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,840 get lazy and you start thinking, I don't worry about that, 288 00:15:16,879 --> 00:15:18,600 I'll just worry about what I can give away. So 289 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,159 I agree with a lot of what you're saying. It's 290 00:15:21,559 --> 00:15:23,559 a shell game. It's been played for a long time, 291 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,559 and I appreciate your calling and giving a shout out 292 00:15:25,559 --> 00:15:27,879 there to what's going on. So that meeting's Monday at 293 00:15:27,879 --> 00:15:29,360 five o'clock. What time is the meeting? 294 00:15:29,639 --> 00:15:31,919 Speaker 6: My did at twenty first six pm. There will be 295 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,159 public comments and then the separate time for folks to 296 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,720 speak specifically on the EDC. 297 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,759 Speaker 2: Well, Chris, I appreciate the calling, the heads up. Okay, 298 00:15:40,559 --> 00:15:41,200 thank you, sir. 299 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 7: That's a great weekend. 300 00:15:42,759 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 2: Now I'm going to check you in to see if 301 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:49,759 James is still there is Joe, So there you are, James, 302 00:15:49,799 --> 00:15:50,480 How the heck are you? 303 00:15:51,399 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 5: Oh? 304 00:15:51,799 --> 00:15:55,159 Speaker 8: Good? You guys were talking about our beloved transit system 305 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:59,679 we have, yes, sir, and the fact that it is completely, 306 00:16:00,039 --> 00:16:05,000 really impossible to function without subsidies from the city. 307 00:16:04,679 --> 00:16:06,639 Speaker 2: In the county, yes, sir. 308 00:16:08,039 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 8: Well, here's a big question. They want to put millions 309 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,720 and millions and millions of dollars into another extension of 310 00:16:16,879 --> 00:16:23,639 light rail which basically goes from point A to point 311 00:16:23,679 --> 00:16:27,919 B and ninety nine percent of the time it moves air. 312 00:16:29,519 --> 00:16:33,159 Speaker 2: That's true. Okay, keep going. I'm trying to find out 313 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:34,600 where you're going with this. But you're right. 314 00:16:34,799 --> 00:16:38,039 Speaker 8: They want everybody in the county to pay for it. 315 00:16:39,279 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 2: And people that visit the county, yes. 316 00:16:41,639 --> 00:16:44,399 Speaker 8: The people that don't, the people that will never ever, 317 00:16:44,519 --> 00:16:47,919 ever ever use it, they want us to pay for it. 318 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 2: I'm trying to find out your state in facts, man, 319 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:53,120 You're absolutely right. 320 00:16:53,879 --> 00:17:00,919 Speaker 8: Yeah. 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You're going 357 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:52,960 to visit it, not as many people are riding it, 358 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,920 and they're expanding it. James keep going, man, how are you. 359 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,079 Speaker 8: Part of the problem we have here is we have 360 00:19:00,079 --> 00:19:03,519 have a one party system. The County Commission and the 361 00:19:03,559 --> 00:19:06,240 City Council are the same size they were thirty years ago. 362 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:11,240 That's three sentence censuses. They haven't increased, they don't intend to. 363 00:19:12,559 --> 00:19:14,440 The powers that be here are not going to give 364 00:19:14,559 --> 00:19:18,880 up power, so consequently they feel that they can tax 365 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,359 of the Jesus out of the locals and spend it 366 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,319 on whatever they damn well please. 367 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 2: Well, I mean Charlotte, Charlotte isn't known for being overly 368 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:35,400 fiscally conservative, but you know, whereas Mecklenburg has more of 369 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,319 a conservative vent than most of them do. So having 370 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,720 said all that, you're right, The question is when you 371 00:19:41,759 --> 00:19:44,880 look at transit figures and you look at transit realities 372 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,359 and you look at transit costs, there's no desire to 373 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,759 change it. It's almost like it's this windmill they want 374 00:19:52,799 --> 00:19:54,799 to build. They just build it and people will come, 375 00:19:54,839 --> 00:19:57,000 and they never come. It's kind of like convention centers. 376 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,000 You never I mean you're subsidizing a hotel in downtown Charlotte, 377 00:20:00,079 --> 00:20:01,880 You're never going to get the kind of people that 378 00:20:02,079 --> 00:20:04,720 convention center will always need to be subsidized, unless you're 379 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,440 in Orlando or Las Vegas. Convention centers are subsidies. They're 380 00:20:08,519 --> 00:20:12,200 like incentives, like EDC's we're talking about in Combaris. But 381 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,440 I tell me where you think I'm wrong on that? 382 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,599 Speaker 8: Oh, I don't think you're particularly wrong on anything. I 383 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,880 think what we have here is a group of leftists 384 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,680 that have the pie in the sky idea about build 385 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,480 it and they will come. And the problem is they've 386 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,720 been building it and the people haven't gotten out of 387 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,039 their cars and don't intend to. 388 00:20:33,759 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 2: You're right, and James, I appreciate the call and appreciate 389 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,240 you listening, and I appreciate you sharing your perspective today. 390 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:43,599 All right, thank you, you have a great day. Bob, 391 00:20:43,759 --> 00:20:46,400 welcome to the show. Let's see if we click it 392 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,519 over to Bob there. What's going on? Bob? 393 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 7: Well, first of all, I want to say thank you 394 00:20:51,519 --> 00:20:55,559 for a great week and for making me think. It hurts, 395 00:20:56,279 --> 00:20:58,039 but I'll continue to to try to do it. 396 00:20:59,359 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 2: Okay. 397 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:05,319 Speaker 7: Second thing is, and it's just a comment experience. It 398 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,319 never works when the government keeps trying to give these incentives. 399 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,920 I saw it in New York. It just doesn't work 400 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:20,519 Long Island Railroad. It just doesn't work. People don't And 401 00:21:20,759 --> 00:21:22,799 the proof of the pudding is in New York City. Now, 402 00:21:22,799 --> 00:21:25,359 if you take your car into Manhattan, you have to 403 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:30,000 pay a premium. Why aren't people then using the subway? 404 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,599 Why aren't they using the trains? They just don't. So again, 405 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,880 we want to thank you again for a great week. 406 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,160 I'm going to shut up so I can listen to you. 407 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,440 And think more and hurt. 408 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 2: Goodbye, Bob, thank you for the call. And it is true. People, 409 00:21:46,319 --> 00:21:48,759 there's a novelty to those. If you go to London, 410 00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:50,200 you know, you get in the twos, if you go 411 00:21:50,279 --> 00:21:52,400 to DC, if you're visiting or going to a concert. 412 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,799 They're used in those Scotts, but in generally day to 413 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:59,440 day life people don't like to use them too much. So, 414 00:22:01,839 --> 00:22:05,480 you know, it's just it's just strange to me that 415 00:22:05,599 --> 00:22:09,000 this way of looking at things. It's very Wizard of Oz. No, 416 00:22:09,279 --> 00:22:11,920 it's worse than that. It's it's kind of this delusion, 417 00:22:12,599 --> 00:22:16,440 delusion of policy because you get people that come in 418 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,920 and they preach this smart growth stuff. There was a 419 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,720 really good example of smart growth stuff at Carolina Beach 420 00:22:21,799 --> 00:22:24,640 down in New New Hanover County. A few years back. 421 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,559 They decided, we're gonna go to smart growth. We're gonna 422 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,519 smart growth is great. We love bikes. We want to 423 00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:31,240 build a bike path. So they took their downtown business corridor, 424 00:22:31,279 --> 00:22:33,240 which straight if you go from Wilmington, you're heading toward 425 00:22:33,319 --> 00:22:35,839 the Fort Fisher area, you go through Carolina Beach. They 426 00:22:35,839 --> 00:22:37,799 took their business corridor and they shrunk it down to 427 00:22:37,839 --> 00:22:41,160 two lanes. And put bike lanes on each side that 428 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,359 what used to be, you know, you could take cars down. 429 00:22:43,799 --> 00:22:46,759 It locked up traffic, It locked up downtown. It made 430 00:22:46,759 --> 00:22:50,839 it an absolute flipping nightmare for everybody involved. That policy 431 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,160 lasted not long after the paint was dry. They had 432 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,559 to unring that bell. It was a disaster. And that's 433 00:22:57,599 --> 00:23:02,880 the that's where the Polyannish believe this this whimsical. If 434 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,720 we build it, it's going to work out. It's going 435 00:23:04,799 --> 00:23:07,640 to be great, it's going to be wonderful. And it doesn't. 436 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,880 And the height of ignorance here, or I guess you know, 437 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,640 you'd say, and I don't want I hate to use 438 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,000 the word stupid. I don't call people stupid, even when 439 00:23:15,079 --> 00:23:16,839 I think they are. I don't tend to use that word. 440 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:21,119 It sounds very, very aggressive. But the height of stupidity 441 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,079 from a definitive definition standpoint, is doing the same thing 442 00:23:25,279 --> 00:23:28,400 over and over again and expecting a different result. And 443 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,720 what you're seeing is the numbers with transit have not returned, 444 00:23:32,079 --> 00:23:35,480 even though the population has grown, but the number of 445 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,519 people using transit is shrinking. So if you were to 446 00:23:38,599 --> 00:23:41,119 if you were to think about that in any reasonable way, 447 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,279 you'd say, wait, a minute. We're growing, but fewer people 448 00:23:43,279 --> 00:23:46,039 are using it. It's not returned to pre pandemic levels. 449 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,680 It's not returned to twenty thirteen levels. It's not going 450 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:54,039 to return. So the answer, the genius answer of Charlotte, 451 00:23:54,079 --> 00:23:57,039 is let's throw more money at it. If only, if 452 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,480 only we made it big enough that people we'll do it. 453 00:24:00,519 --> 00:24:03,440 Now here's what makes it even worse. I cannot recall 454 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,799 a time when massive road construction projects were not going 455 00:24:06,839 --> 00:24:09,319 on in this Charlotte Mecklenburg area. I mean, the belt 456 00:24:09,319 --> 00:24:11,039 lines have made it. If you're traveling from the coast 457 00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:12,720 of the mountains, you're going through there, you can really 458 00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:15,079 it's much better at getting through, even though there's whole 459 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,559 roads you get through. But in general, the goal seems 460 00:24:19,599 --> 00:24:23,640 to be make traffic worse. And if we make it worse, 461 00:24:24,759 --> 00:24:27,279 then people will use the transit system, if we just 462 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,720 lock them up. Now here's even more. This is adding 463 00:24:30,759 --> 00:24:32,519 fuel to the fire for those of you who don't 464 00:24:32,599 --> 00:24:37,119 like them. Roads move people. Allow people to move twenty 465 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,119 four hours a day, seven days a week. There's a lane. Now, 466 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,079 the number of people that can move on a given 467 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,960 lane of road, there's a number there. If you look 468 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,359 at it, the number of traffic cars per hour or whatever. 469 00:24:49,839 --> 00:24:54,160 You look at that a transit line can never, in 470 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,200 its wildest best day, move as much people as a 471 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:03,279 single lane of traffic. That's that's a harsh reality. Bus lines, 472 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,720 which from a transit standpoint, make a lot more sense. 473 00:25:06,759 --> 00:25:08,279 They're not they don't tend to be as pretty, and 474 00:25:08,279 --> 00:25:10,559 people don't like them as much. You think about street 475 00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:13,640 cars in San Francisco, you think about, you know, these 476 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,279 beautiful trains running through beautiful towns. It's it's not that way. 477 00:25:17,319 --> 00:25:19,839 It's very ideal. I always like it. When they present 478 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,359 a new train station, they say this is what it's 479 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,599 going to look like, and it shows all these people 480 00:25:24,599 --> 00:25:28,480 in ties and business suits and perfect kids playing and 481 00:25:28,519 --> 00:25:31,519 you know, families. And when you go to an actual 482 00:25:31,519 --> 00:25:33,279 train I was what it won in Portugal recently, a 483 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,720 very beautiful train station, but it was full of the 484 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,400 same kind of people you see in downtown d C. 485 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,440 It was not you know the trains run on well 486 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,799 they kind of. It's more socialized, so they don't quite 487 00:25:42,839 --> 00:25:45,920 run on time. But the point being, it's not this, 488 00:25:46,319 --> 00:25:49,039 I mean this graffiti everywhere stuff like that. So don't think, 489 00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:53,160 don't have this pollyannish view of transit. Just don't it's 490 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,640 not real. But buses can go to where people work, live, 491 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,440 thrive and survive. Buses can go if there's there trends 492 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,119 and where people move or don't live. You can change 493 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,079 a bus route. Once a train line is built, you can't, 494 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,119 and so when it becomes worse, you can't get You 495 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,839 can't change the train route. So it's foolish. It looks good. 496 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,480 That's what you want is a shiny train. You're going 497 00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:16,400 to pay a premium for it, and like the guy said, 498 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,240 it's gonna move a lot of empty I remember a 499 00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:19,960 story once there was a coyote in one of the 500 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,079 cars because no one was on it, and it felt 501 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,279 it was a safe place to be away from people 502 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,799 in the train in Charlotte. 503 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: You know, stories are powerful. They help us make sense 504 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,799 of things, to understand experiences. 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It's Friday, So you know 525 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,839 what PI Cober's County phone call calls about transit, calls 526 00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:45,559 about the leadership of Charlotte Immigration, It could be any 527 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,599 number of things. Whatever's all in your brain is where 528 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,920 the show can instantly go if you choose to do so. 529 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,599 Seven of four, five sevenh eleven ten, seven of four 530 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,920 five seven oh, eleven ten is also the text line, 531 00:27:58,039 --> 00:27:59,400 So you got something on your brain, you want to 532 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,359 text it in, Well, hey, I'll throw it out there 533 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,279 for both folks that chew on within reason Chat Adams 534 00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:06,000 in for Pete Calendar here at new Stock eleven ten 535 00:28:06,079 --> 00:28:08,240 ninety nine three WBT. As we head toward the top 536 00:28:08,279 --> 00:28:11,599 of the second hour, it's closing in and it has been. 537 00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:17,200 It is absolutely a great time out there. Now. I 538 00:28:17,799 --> 00:28:20,119 don't know. This is a story I've wrestled with for 539 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,559 two days. I don't know. I kind of wanted to 540 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,640 run with it. I kind of didn't. I'm I am 541 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,319 agnostic on the entirety of AI because it's one of 542 00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:32,960 those things the same it can it can cut both ways. 543 00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:36,000 It's remarkable. I think that you'll be able to watch 544 00:28:36,079 --> 00:28:37,920 think of any movie you've ever seen, and you'll be 545 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,559 able to say, hey, I want to see this person 546 00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:41,880 play that role and be in that movie, and yeah, 547 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,799 a I'll be able to render that. And then you'll 548 00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:47,519 be able to see you any great classics with newer 549 00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:49,200 old stars in them. They'll be able to render any 550 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,319 of the stars that are even the ones that have 551 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,720 passed so so. And the way it can do research. 552 00:28:54,759 --> 00:28:57,079 I think it's very useful to research. I think right 553 00:28:57,079 --> 00:28:59,319 now it has a lot of limitations on it. The 554 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,160 problem is going to be as not only do machines 555 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,000 get better, but AI gets better. And the blending of 556 00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:08,559 machines in AI is a little alarming. I mean, it's 557 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,319 very terminator in my head. You know. But because at 558 00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:16,240 a certain point, we're imperfect from a machine standpoint, if 559 00:29:16,279 --> 00:29:18,599 it had the ability to look at us in an 560 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,000 objective way, it would say we're kind of a massive 561 00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:24,480 conflicting emotions. You know, it would not it would not 562 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:29,200 compute in any kind of computer language. And this whole 563 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,559 protocol of saying, well, we'll just make them so they 564 00:29:31,599 --> 00:29:34,359 won't hurt us, well, no, you can't stand by that 565 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:39,279 one glitch, one bug, one you know, decision, and God forbid. 566 00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:42,240 They become even more aware. And I talked earlier in 567 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,559 the show that what if AI could have a sense 568 00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:48,000 of humor? And you know, you may balk at that. 569 00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:50,440 I mean, if you ever seen computer generated jokes, they're terrible. 570 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,119 They're not funny because because it's it's a lot. Humor 571 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,599 is an illogical thing, you know, it's it just is. 572 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,960 It's sometimes you know, I think rich Jenny said, it's 573 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,200 humor's the art of reminding people of what they already 574 00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:05,279 knew about but forgot to laugh at the first time. 575 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,160 It's situational. There's so many aspects. There's double one tendres, 576 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,880 there's a million things. A good line I heard very 577 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,119 recently with someone with you know, the Pope used to say, 578 00:30:13,319 --> 00:30:15,240 you know, some reporter ask him how many people work 579 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,519 in the Vatican, and the Pope said, oh, about half 580 00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:21,000 of them. Great line. You know what a computer wouldn't 581 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,319 get that? Why is that funny? It's hysterical. It's absolutely hysterical. 582 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,559 So you know. Another one I saw was kind of 583 00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:31,000 a Babylon b headline. Great satire. Also something AI had 584 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,559 trouble with, or does have trouble. You know, Trump resigns 585 00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:36,079 the presidency to become a district court judge so we 586 00:30:36,119 --> 00:30:41,799 can have more power. Come on, that's funny. But that's satire, 587 00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:44,160 and that's the kind of thing that AI is not 588 00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:48,359 there yet. So there's a good piece and I'm not 589 00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:50,680 you know, I've read it. I've read it four or 590 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:55,319 five times, and I don't know if I'll get it, 591 00:30:55,359 --> 00:30:57,279 you know, and I'll what I'll try to do is 592 00:30:57,319 --> 00:30:58,880 go to the end of it. The end of it 593 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,599 is this, you know. The The essence of truly understanding 594 00:31:01,599 --> 00:31:04,720 a joke lies in the ability to explain it. This 595 00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:08,839 explanation demonstrates a grasp of the underlying assumption's context and 596 00:31:08,839 --> 00:31:12,000 the subtle subversions that make the joke amusing. Notice how 597 00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:15,079 nerdy even the article is. I mean, the article is 598 00:31:15,119 --> 00:31:18,359 written from a nerd perspective about AI. It's well written, 599 00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:20,720 but extremely long, and I've read it a few times. 600 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,160 In this light, a statement that fails to elicit humor 601 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,079 may not fulfill the criteria of a joke. How many 602 00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:29,920 people have seen comedians just they fall? But sometimes it's 603 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,440 the audience. If it is not funny, it might simply 604 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,359 not be a joke in the intended context. The notion 605 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,599 that existential risks are a joke underscores the idea that 606 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,279 even the most serious and profound topics can be approached 607 00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:46,920 with humor. This perspective does not diminish the significance of 608 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,920 such risk, but rather highlights the human tendency to use 609 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,400 humor as a coping mechanism and a tool for critical reflection. 610 00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:56,960 How many comedians you know? If you looked at their 611 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,599 personal rifer. It's absolutely a train wreck. Don't mean that 612 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,480 all comedians' lives are train wrecks, but a lot of times. 613 00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:05,599 I mean, the first three comedians I ever saw perform 614 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,920 live all committed suicide. Later on the fourth one died. 615 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,000 That was Ralphie May. That's all Ralphie May performed. He 616 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,279 died like six months later. Critiquing jokes can be seen 617 00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:17,920 as counterproductive as it may stifle the natural flow of 618 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,599 humor and the benefits it brings to social interaction and 619 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:26,039 cognitive development. The nerdy humor thrives on spontaneity and the 620 00:32:26,039 --> 00:32:30,079 freedom to explore ideas without excessive scrutiny. Therefore, it might 621 00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:33,680 be considered unethical to harshly critique jokes. Blah blah blah 622 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,960 blah blah. Then they say, when interacting with artificial intelligence, 623 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,240 cautions should be exercised in using humor. Jokes can lead 624 00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:44,680 to misunderstandings, as AI may interpret misinterpret the nuances and 625 00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:48,680 underlying meaning. But you see that caution should be exercised 626 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,759 with AI intended by humans. The phrase I was only 627 00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:55,519 joke in highlights the potential for miscommunication, which could have 628 00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:00,400 unintended consequences for human AI interactions. Ensuring that AI systems 629 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,880 understand human is critical of humor is critical, is crucial 630 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,960 for alignment with human values, debugging and preventing misinterpretation that 631 00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:12,599 could arise from ambiguous language. Now take that a step 632 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:18,440 further and apply it to a machine with AI trying 633 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,359 to understand you. Not now mind you. My lawnmower is 634 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,160 not going to attack me. You know your your echo 635 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,759 device is not going to attack you. I swear they're listening. Though. 636 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,519 Every time I'm interested in any subject, if I say 637 00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:35,920 it out loud, within an hour, it pops up in 638 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,880 my search engine, and not searching, it just pops up 639 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,359 in ads, it pops up on social media. It's like, 640 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,279 wait a minute, I was Someone would say, well, it's 641 00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:46,799 just the algorithm. The algorithm realizes, and I'm like, I 642 00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:49,680 didn't look at that. I wasn't looking for that. I 643 00:33:49,839 --> 00:33:52,799 mentioned it, I didn't look at it, but it's there, 644 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,720 so you know where it's encroaching. Honest, if you were 645 00:33:57,759 --> 00:33:59,960 to think about where you were technologically in your life 646 00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:03,680 ten years probably let's just go bright before the invention 647 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,960 of the iPhone. Let's look at two thousand and five. 648 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,840 You're out there getting through life. You know, you've kind 649 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,039 of made the transition to maybe some digital media for 650 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,039 music and stuff like that. But think about where you 651 00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:18,119 are now. We're twenty years later, and look at what 652 00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:20,679 we where we are just in the past ten years, 653 00:34:21,039 --> 00:34:23,920 five years the crunch. I mean, it took us forever 654 00:34:24,039 --> 00:34:26,280 to get what from the from the bowl and alley 655 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,599 tech that was in our classrooms to TVs, and from 656 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:31,639 TVs to now you know, iPads in the classroom took forever. 657 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:35,559 But the transition now in digital stuff, I mean, big 658 00:34:35,559 --> 00:34:38,880 screen TVs used to be expensive. Now something happens, we 659 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:44,119 throw them away and buy another one. So I'm just 660 00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:48,199 saying the writing I'm a big Ray Bradbury fan. Eyesig 661 00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:49,559 as them off. I mean two thousand and one A 662 00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:53,000 Space Odyssey, when when Hal is hanging out and the 663 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,039 astronauts are trying to get back in the craft and 664 00:34:55,039 --> 00:34:57,239 How's like, you know, I'm sorry, I can't do that, Dave, 665 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,119 he recognized, And this is funny. It's funny because it's 666 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,280 can be true. Now he said, well, you know, I 667 00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:08,280 really think you getting on board this ship's counterproductive to 668 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,519 my mission. So I'm not letting you back on the ship. 669 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,519 And now think about all the times you interact with 670 00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:20,039 that kind of mentality on voice when you call a 671 00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:23,119 company and you go through a voice trail, and it's 672 00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:25,280 going to get better, and it's going to get more realistic, 673 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:30,199 and it's going to be you're just like gonna be cattle. Gosh, 674 00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:33,920 that sounds very depressing, very Logan's run, doesn't it. You know, 675 00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:36,519 thirty the caresel, we're all going to go away. So 676 00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:40,400 the point being, it seems like we're going to become 677 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,000 increasingly expendable as the rise of the machines takes place. 678 00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:48,920 Shouldn't be that way. I don't know how we establish 679 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,039 the rules, but it seems to be moving faster than 680 00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:53,159 our ability to integrate it into our lives in a 681 00:35:53,159 --> 00:35:55,719 way that's not a little bit alarming. I mean, how 682 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,280 many of you have ring doorbells and it goes off 683 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,320 incesantly and just drives you bonkers. Now, if ring decides, well, 684 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,559 I don't want to show them this, I don't want 685 00:36:03,559 --> 00:36:05,360 to show you know what, They don't need to see that. 686 00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:08,800 Nothing to see here. The guy's breaking in the house. Now, 687 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,280 much more to go here. Pete calend Radio show, Our 688 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:12,679 three Getting Ready to be in a way. We'll be 689 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:13,960 good rights back after this. 690 00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 1: All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you 691 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,400 so much for listening. I could not do the show 692 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,960 without your support and the support of the businesses that 693 00:36:24,039 --> 00:36:27,119 advertise on the podcast, so if you'd like, please support 694 00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:28,840 them too and tell them you heard it here. You 695 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,480 can also become a patron at my Patreon page or 696 00:36:31,559 --> 00:36:35,199 go to thepeteclenarshow dot com. Again, thank you so much 697 00:36:35,199 --> 00:36:41,679 for listening, and don't break anything while I'm gone.