Speaker 1: I made pay sunny sound. I had a vision like nice.
Speaker 2: I almost pointed usually I hit record and then I
point at Lynette to start the show. But then I
was like, oh, I'm Stott Lynnette. Hi guys, it's me
Stephanie Wilder Taylor. Welcome to it. For crying out loud,
I'm back with Julie Gay.
Speaker 3: Hello, we miss Lynette. Sounds like she's having well. Sounds
like what am I even talking about? Hopefully she's having
an awesome time with Wendy. Aunt Wendy. We love our
aunt Wendy.
Speaker 2: She texted me that they spent the whole first night
in their pajamas watching The Golden Bachelor.
Speaker 1: I love it. This is exactly what Lynette needs.
Speaker 2: Yes, perfect, I needed some time off. Yes, but you're here.
We had a whole Tuesday episode.
Speaker 3: I just told a story on Patreon that was, oh
my god, it's so funny story.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I mean it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But then we teased that we were going to
tell like a more serious story because you had this
crazy yes happen, Yes, so crazy. Say that you didn't
need this, like you already deal with anxiety. How is
your anxiety?
Speaker 1: Over all?
Speaker 3: My anxieties so much better than it was when I
had really bad anxiety in twenty nineteen into twenty twenty,
when I all that shit went down with my family.
I've never had anxiety that but I mean it was
a full on nervous breakdown. I did all the things, acupuncture, medication, meditation,
you know, everything, and it's been really good since then.
So now it was like five years, you know, like
I feel like, oh, and I know I talked about it,
but I did EMDR and I think that really was
the clincher to help me get through all this. Oh
my god, I am DR is the best. I mean,
I've been in therapy since my twenties, just over stuff
and anxiety and I have panic disorder and.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah, And that was good.
Speaker 3: I mean, talk therapy has its place for sure, and
cognitive behavioral therapy has its place. All these things have
their place for me. The AMDR by R is what helped.
Speaker 1: Me the most.
Speaker 2: Do you like describe what it is?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I can't tell you what it stands for.
Speaker 3: I movement to sensitization and reprogramming something or I think
I made that up. I don't know, something like that
but basically, it's just a form of therapy that's been
tested and it's been researched and they've done trials and
it has been shown to actually work. It's nothing wo
wo I mean, it's backed by science. And essentially, you
go back to your earliest memory of how you felt.
And in other words, you're going into therapy because you're
feeling something, whether you're feeling anger, or you're feeling lack
of control, or you know, whatever the emotion is you're feeling,
and then the therapist says, Okay, go back to your
earliest time when you felt that emotion.
Speaker 1: Okay. For me, it was kind of so many emotions.
Speaker 3: But let's say it's loss of control, not being able
to control a situation.
Speaker 1: So I can remember standing in my.
Speaker 3: Garage and my mom leaving at five years old and
me just crying. She's going out to dinner, but me
just crying and crying and crying, and that was my
first memory.
Speaker 1: And then you.
Speaker 3: Take your hands and in this case, I put them
on the desk in front of me, palms down, and
the therapist would say, okay, assign something to it. Okay,
loss of control, Okay, now you're gonna she's gonna tap
my hands tap tap, tap, tap tap right left, right, left, right, left,
So she's tapping my hands, and I myself am processing
the memory. So I'm thinking about it. I'm crying, I'm
whatever you're doing. Maybe you're not having any emotions about it,
but you're thinking about it, and you think about it
for a couple of minutes, and then she goes, Okay,
how do you feel now? I still feel angry or
out of control? Okay, let's keep going tap tap tap,
tap tap. As you're processing it, processing it. That could
take a whole session. You know, it could take five minutes.
It could take an entire session to get through that
particular thing. Okay, I feel better now. Okay, how do
you feel now? Let's assign a new emotion to that
particular situation.
Speaker 1: Okay, I feel.
Speaker 3: Like you know. And then she literally gives you a
paper with a whole list of you know, how you feel,
and then you choose like, Okay, that is how I
feel now. I feel more in control, I feel empowered
whatever the word is. Okay, Now you feel empowered. Okay,
now let's go back. Okay, now go through that emotion
feeling empowered. Tap tap, tap tap, tap, tap tap, and
it's essentially reprogramming every memory you have into you feeling
a different way about that. Okay, I'm not angry anymore.
I'm forg you know, I forgive, I feel whatever. The
adjective is that you want to feel about whatever memory
you're having. Okay, now, when's the next time you felt?
Speaker 1: So that was at five.
Speaker 3: When's the next memory you can remember feeling out of control?
I remember when I was eight and my step.
Speaker 1: Mom blah blah blah and blah blah blah. Okay, now
we go back to tapping.
Speaker 3: Interestingly, I did that and in twenty nineteen it went
into twenty twenty and it was COVID, so we couldn't
meet in person.
Speaker 1: So she goes, that's okay. So we got on zoom.
Speaker 3: And I crossed my arms and I put my right
hand on my left shoulder and my left hand on
my right shoulder, and she's like, so on zoom. She's like, Okay,
what you're gonna do is tap yourself. So you're going
right left, right, left, right, left, and I'm tapping my
shoulders right left, right, left with my arms crossed in
front of my chest. Now we're going to go through
those emotions again, and essentially you're literally going through from
your first emotion up until your last you know, memory
of feeling that emotion. So for me, it was literally
from five until you know, I was forty five at
the time, going through those emotions. There was one time,
actually I was leaving for office. I was so worked up.
She's like, I don't want you to leave, like this,
are you okay? I'm like no, no, no, I'm fine,
Like I'm having so many emotions, but these are all great.
Speaker 1: It's getting out of me, you know. She's like, okay, okay,
And I don't know, you just slowly work through all
the shit.
Speaker 3: You just work through it, and you assign a more
positive spin on every memory. I don't know if I'm
describing it the way they describe it in the scientific literature,
but the way it felt for me was I was
rep programming every memory to a more positive experience with it,
like a more positive memory of it. So for me,
it was a lot of not feeling in control, and
now I have more control over all those memories. In
that narrative, I don't know, that's just seems really cool.
It's really cool, and what I like about it is
you're working towards something With talk therapy. Although I did
it and I needed it, there was no closure. It
was like, well, I could talk about the shit all
fucking day long, like I need to work through it
and move on from it. And for some people, talking
about it is enough. You talk about it, you process
it with your therapist, you know whatever. They give you
some tools and you move on. There's nothing wrong with
any of the different types of therapies.
Speaker 1: For me, though, there was no.
Speaker 3: Button on it, like I couldn't close that door with EMDR.
I was like, Okay, I closed that door, moving on
to the next one. I closed that door, moving on
the next one. I'm not saying I'm never going to
have these emotions again or feelings again, but I don't.
Speaker 1: Know what it did.
Speaker 3: It just dulled all of those awful, awful feelings and
I just don't really think about them anymore.
Speaker 2: Do you think that your panic disorder, though, always stemmed
from trauma?
Speaker 1: So so I was diagnosed.
Speaker 3: So I started having my first panic attacks when I
was nineteen. I remember it clear as day. I was driving.
Actually I had one in high school, but at the
time I didn't know what it was I was hyperventilating
in math class and my mom had to come pick
me up. And then I felt okay the rest of
the day and that was that. And then three years
later or whatever, I'm nineteen and I'm driving on the freeway,
I know, in Calabasis, on the one on one, and
all of a sudden, I was like, oh my god,
I'm going to die. I'm going to die right now.
I'm going to die, like I just I can't even
describe for people that have had those feelings. It's this
overwhelming sense of doom. And then I called Kim, who
was living in Calabas. I'm like, Kim, can I come over.
I don't know what the hell just happened to me.
So I go to her house and I'm like, ah,
that was so scary. So I had had a really
bad car accident where I was knocked on conscious unconscious
and the ambulance had to come and I was bleeding
from my head and all the things. So I thought
it was PTSD because it had happened like six months prior.
So I go to a psychiatrist at UCLA. I'm like,
I think I'm having PTSD because I got this panic
attack in the car and I had a bad car accident.
Speaker 1: I think that's what I'm having. And he kind of
like listen to what I had to say.
Speaker 3: He's like, I don't know about that. So then actually
I went back to my friend Kim. I'm like, I
need a psychia like, I need a different psychiatrist. She's like,
oh my god. My friend goes to doctor Robert Ross.
Shout out doctor Robert Ross. He retired a few years ago.
He saved my life. I fully say that, but anyway,
I mean not that I was, but I'm just saying
like he he helped me so much at that time
when I was so scared.
Speaker 1: And then so I went to him and I.
Speaker 3: Explained these, you know, panic attacks I was having and
I didn't know what they were at the time.
Speaker 1: He goes, oh, you have panic disorder.
Speaker 3: He's like, here's the pamphlet and I read through it
and I was like, yes, yes, this is what I have.
So he's like, you have panic disorder. So like, where
does this come from?
Speaker 1: What is this?
Speaker 3: He's like, well, we don't really know. And you know,
is it related to trauma?
Speaker 1: What is it? Is it all biochemical?
Speaker 3: And some people are just wired differently, you know all
the things I think you know, I will always it,
and it'll lay dormant at times, and it'll rear its
head at times. I take Paxel. I've been on it
since my early twenties for panic disorder. I keep XANX
with me in my purse so if I ever get
a really bad panic attack. I mean, I don't use
it like I can get a prescription that'll last me
five years because I.
Speaker 1: Don't use it. But knowing I have it, I can
use it.
Speaker 3: And actually I used it in the story I'm going
to tell you because it was so traumatic.
Speaker 1: I had to take a xanax.
Speaker 3: I couldn't I couldn't come down anyway. So I keep
XANX with me, and and if I get panic attacks,
then then you know, now I have a lot of
tools on how to prevent me from getting them. I
do a lot of meditation, not a lot, but I
do meditation, and you know, ten minutes here and there
of guided meditation and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But I remember, anyway, you know, many years ago, like
kind of early on in our friendship, because you still
lived in the Tarzana.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I had a.
Speaker 2: Panic attack and I wonder if one of the things
about having a panic attacks you you're you don't know
you're having a panic attack.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: You think something's wrong where you think you're mad about something.
Then a year later you're like, oh, I was maybe
just so you called me and you were like, can
you come over? Something's wrong with me? And I came
over and you were like, I don't know. I'm like
have like low blood pressure and I'm weak and I
feel like I'm gonna faint. Yes, my stomach hurts, I'm
like having diarrhea and I can't like and.
Speaker 3: The kids were little, and I called nine one one.
Speaker 1: Did you call nine one one?
Speaker 2: I called nine one one. I called nine one one. Well,
I was just sitting with you were like, just sit
with me, Just sit with me, and I did, and
then finally you were like, oh my god, no, something's
really wrong. Called nine on one. So I called nine
on one and then I called Jamil and I was like,
oh my god, Jamil, like I called the paramedics and
he was like huh. And I was just thinking, like, well,
he's not very like alarmed, you know, for the fact,
like this is serious. I was like yeah, no, no,
but like the paramedics are coming. He goes okay, he
goes that it's totally fine, tell Julie I'm leaving work,
like he but he was just so calm about it.
And then it turned out that like that wasn't the
first time.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think he might have said she's okay, she's having
a panic attack probably or something.
Speaker 2: And I was like, why God, he doesn't know, Like, yeah,
I get it. I think a little bit, you know,
because you were very upset. Then the paramedics came and
then they checked you out and they're like, all your
vitals are okay.
Speaker 1: Well this is what I remember so well.
Speaker 3: The paramedics came and I go, okay, I have panic disorder,
you guys, I've had panic attacks. This is not a
panic attack. Something is really wrong, right. I think I'm hyperglycemic.
I'm little blood pressure. I mean wow, my blood pressure
was like one forty over ninety, like it was high
in fact, so yeah, I really truly was like no, no, no, no, no,
I'm having And I remember after that, I got a
blood sugar monitor to check my blood trigger every once
in a while because I'm like, no, I'm hypoglycemic, Like
there is I have something physically wrong with me, And
anybody that's had anxiety and knows this is like shaking their.
Speaker 1: Head like yes, exactly.
Speaker 3: You get the million dollar work up and there's nothing there,
but it's all you know in your mind, and it's
all bio you know, biochemical in your head. So yeah,
so you you were, Yeah, so I've And then another
time that happened me in graduate school when I was
in Boston. I had too much caffeine called the ambulance.
So those things have happened. But anyway, I don't even
know how we got into this bit. Emdr has been
really helpful. Oh oh, I do believe my panic attacks.
I could be wrong. I personally think they're related to
my childhood and feeling really unstable in my own home.
You know, my mom and dad divorced. I was living
with my mom. My mom was love her, she loves
me so much, but she definitely liked to have her
social life and went out a lot, and we were
with babysitters a lot. And it's not a traumatic life
in the sense other people have trauma that's like crazy trauma.
This was trauma where I just felt very like unstable,
like there was a lot of instability in my childhood.
I don't want to go into all the details. I
mean there was nothing like crazy. I didn't have anything
personal abuse happened. I mean, nothing like that. But for me,
it was an unstable childhood and I truly feel like
that's where it stemmed from. Like I just never felt
secure as a child. I don't know how to describe
it without going into you know, detail whatever. So So
it wasn't a traumatic incident that happened. I know, with
an e MDR a lot of times they say, well,
it's usually if there's a traumatic incident, And I was like, well,
I kind of just had this low level of quote
unquote trauma my whole childhood.
Speaker 2: You know what wasn't also at the time that you
went into that treatment you had gone that was that.
Speaker 1: Was really traumatic? Yes, Yes, it.
Speaker 2: Went on after your dad passed and.
Speaker 3: During my during when my dad was alive, all the
what I believed to be elder abuse that he endured
fighting to see him before he died. Yes, that was
sofing traumatic. And then my the lawsuits and then my
sister disowning me.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's exactly right. That's what led to the full break.
Speaker 2: Out because what we figured out, Yeah, because.
Speaker 1: I was like, why is this happening?
Speaker 3: And you were like, dude, because maybe you just went
through some really freaking crazy You lost your dad the
same time you were going through lawsuits and my stepmom's
accusing me of, you know, poisoning my dad, and the
you know, and and you know, just all this stuff
was just crazy. So yeah, yeah, yeh yah, yeah exactly.
So that's that's where that came from. But okay, so
go now now to what happened. So this happened in March.
Speaker 1: Like March twenty first or something. I have to look
at the calendar. Okay.
Speaker 3: So I'm married to Jamil He back when we were
like I think we were engaged. I was living in
Boston and he was here and I came home and
we went to a bar together. I was, you know whatever,
and we were in our twenties with at the time
his roommate Phil and Roll. We walk up to the
bar where totally hadn't even had a drink or anything,
and he was like, oh, what do you want to order?
And I was like, oh, I'll get a and all
of a sudden, he just drops to the ground and
I was like, what.
Speaker 1: The He just like passed out and I was like
what and Phil's like, oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's done this before. I'm like, what are you
talking about. He's done this before, and nurse there was
like a nurse there. She's like, you know, this was
when I was still in grad school. I didn't know
what the hell was going on anyway. So he gets
vasovagel syncope. For people that do or don't know what
it is, your blood pressure just drops and you Usually
there's a precipitating event. I think for him at the time,
he had eaten, he was out all day, well whatever
it was. Usually it's that he never since then, he's
never just dropped on me like that.
Speaker 1: But he gets.
Speaker 3: Vasovagel syncope where his blood pressure gets real low and
he just kind of faints. So this has happened probably
five or six times in our marriage, and yeah, I
know when it's going to happen, because it's usually he's like,
you know, sick to his stomach or you know, he's
like he has Crohn's disease, but it's it's very mild.
But when he gets these flares, it hurts really bad.
And so even just the pain in the belly can
cause it. So like I know, like, okay, I gotta
go be with him when he's on the toilet because
he may pass out due to pain or due to
just flare ups of that, you know, if he's vomiting
or whatever. So, like I said, when he gets sick
is usually when he's going to go down, if he
has a bad you know, COVID or whatever the case is.
So it's only been about a handful of times that
I'm like, okay, he's going down, and I got to like, go, okay, Jamie,
you're going to pass out. You're turning gray. Let's lay
you down and I'll lay him down. So have you
ever yelled Timber, I should just add some levity, Just
add some levity, so I know when he's going to
pass out. Every time, I'm like, here we go, he's
not feeling well. I can see it's happening. And then
he passes out and he comes right back and he's
like I'm fine, I'm fine, and it's fine, and he
comes right back too.
Speaker 1: We get him into bed, get him some gatorade, and
he's fine.
Speaker 3: Like literally, there's never been anything worse than that, Like
quick pass out. I'm feeling fine. Let's get some gateorad
in you.
Speaker 1: You're fine. He's never had to go to the hospital
because of it or anything like that.
Speaker 3: So he had had an extremely busy week at work
and he was on call and just not sleeping that well.
Speaker 1: And on top of it, he was sick.
Speaker 3: He had like an upper respitory infection, cold symptoms, like.
Speaker 1: You know, body aches. But he does.
Speaker 3: Procedures on patience, so it's very hard for him to
just be like, I'm not coming in today, Like he's
kind of he has to go into work, especially when
he's on call. Like he doesn't have a choice. I
had said to him, though, get someone to cover. He's
the only one that does those procedures besides his coworker.
But his coworker was busy, and he's like, I just
have to go in. So the point is he had
very busy week on top of being sick. So comes Friday,
finish his work, he's off call. It's like, you know,
we're just hanging out. At like six pm. We took Chloe,
our dog, for a walk, but I could tell he
was just tired, you know, and I'm like, dude, let's
go eat, let's go get sushi.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, that's a great idea, let's do that.
So took Chloe for a walk and we go to
get sushi.
Speaker 3: And meanwhile, he hadn't had much to drink in terms
of water. He wasn't hydrating properly and take care of
himself that week. Now we know that when he's feeling
that way, he's got to really hydrate. He's got to eat,
he's got to take care of himself, he's got to
get sleep. But at the time he's like, whatever, I'll
just go We're gonna go eat, so I'll just get
food when we get there. Okay, we go to the
sushi restaurant down the street from our house. We're sitting
there waiting to be seated. There was a line, so
we're in the waiting area and there's a good probably
like twelve people in the waiting area.
Speaker 1: But then the sushi bar kind of extended into the
waiting area and the sushi bar was full.
Speaker 3: So you've got about like ten people, let's say, in
the waiting area, families and such, and then you got
people sitting at the sushi bar. So we're at a
We're on a bench that like lines the wall going
to the outside, like it's like windows. So we're sitting,
you know, facing I'm not facing him because we're sitting
on a bench facing out. And Bella had just called
and she's like, oh, I'm driving home from Laguna Beach
with my friends. We're like, okay, Bells, love you. We're
talking or nothing. Nothing happened, nothing, And then we just
looked down on our phones and all of a sudden,
he slumps over onto my right shoulder, and I was like,
what did he just pass out? Like, like I said,
I always know when he's going to pass out, he's
usually sick. Yes, he was sick, but it wasn't like
I'm sick, I'm vomiting sick.
Speaker 1: It was just like I have a cold kind of thing.
Speaker 3: So I was like, what the fuck. So I look
and he's not ashen. He's not a little gray. He
is white, ghost white. There was zero blood to his brain, nothing,
And I was like, oh shit. So I lay him
on the bench because there was nowhere else to go,
and he's not light. I couldn't just lay him on
the floor. I could not just take him off the
bench casually. I was like, oh shit. So I lay
him down and I look at him, I'm like, oh
my god, he's he's not breathing. Oh my god, he
is white and he's not breathing. I was like, oh shit,
So I'm like call nine one one. I just yell
call nine one one. There were so many people around.
I feel for his carotid pulse. There was no pulse,
and I was like, oh my fucking god, Oh my god.
So I just start doing CPR. That's what I know
to do. I just start doing CPR.
Speaker 1: The crazy thing was I'm doing CPR. Nobody in the restaurant.
Speaker 3: I mean someone called nine on one, of course, and
I think people were like staring, but nobody helped me.
Nobody was like, oh my god, let's get him on
the ground, because you know, when you do CPR you
need the person to be on then. But I he
was like essentially for all intents and purposes dead, Like
I could not just drag him to the ground. I
would have hit his head, like I couldn't do it
on my own. And there was nobody that was like, oh,
I'll do the chest compressions, you do the breathing, you know, right.
There was no nobody there to help me or to
say are you, okay, well, can I do you know
someone I hear in the back going.
Speaker 1: I called nine one one ambulance is on the way.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, okay, nobody from that worked at the restaurant.
Was like came in nobody, and I was like.
Speaker 2: And in your minder you like I got two minutes tops.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just I wasn't even thinking that. I was
just thinking, just keep the compressions going. One thing I
do know that it can help. You know, like doing
out of hospital CPR can work if you just keep
the compressions going. You don't have to do the breathing.
If you're one person, you don't have to do the breathing.
You can just do the compressions until somebody arrives. But
I was like, okay, I'll do thirty compressions and try
and do two breaths, like this is what I was
thinking in my mind. But you can just do compressions
and that can work too.
Speaker 1: So I was like, just fucking keep compressing.
Speaker 3: So the heart the blood is circulating, So the blood
is so that's all I was caring about, is the
blood needed to be circulating. So I'm doing compressions, doing compressions,
doing compression to depressions, and I was like, oh my god,
oh my god, he's white, he's not breathing, he's not nothing. Usually,
like I said, he passes out and within five seconds
his eyes are back open.
Speaker 1: And he's like, honey, I'm fine, I'm fine. So then finally,
all of a sudden, he went from ghost white, literally
ghost white, to just red like he just perfused. I
was like, oh my fuck, oh my god, oh my god. Okay,
oh my god.
Speaker 3: And then this woman out of nowhere, this angel out
of nowhere, comes running. I think she must must have
just paid her bill and was walking towards the front
of the restaurant.
Speaker 1: She's like, get him on the ground, get him on
the ground. And I just yelled then fucking help me,
because I was so like.
Speaker 3: Nobody's fucking helping. I did just that's just what came out.
So we both get him to the ground and he
starts coming to and I was like, oh my god,
I'm like, you're crying, no god, no, you know, this
is urine. Just I wasn't even in panicked at that time.
I was just like, we gotta fucking save this guy.
That's all I was thinking, like, there was no there
was no time for emotion at that point. That came though,
but not at the moment. At the moment, I was
just like, I need to keep my husband alive. I
need the ambulance to get here. So he comes to
and he looks at me and he goes, I'm fine
on you, I'm fine, because he thinks he just had
to pass that moment. I go, you're not fucking fine.
You just went pulseless, and he just looked at me,
and then the woman was like and then he goes,
I don't feel good. I'm feeling nauseous. And the woman's like,
turn him on his side, turn him on his side,
and I was like, of course I know to do
that too, So we turn him on his side so
that he doesn't swallow his own vomit. And god, he
didn't vomit, but it was very close to that. Then
he was Okay, the ambulance comes, explain what's going on?
Oh my yeah, that just even talking about it is
so crazy.
Speaker 2: I have chills, and I of course know the story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Stephanie was the first person I called
spoiler alert.
Speaker 3: Okay, So then the woman was like, I'm like okay, honey,
you're gonna be okay. The ambulance is coming. And then
the ambulance came and he's like I'm fine. I'm like,
you're not fine. And then he really understood the gravity
situation and he didn't feel fine at that point.
Speaker 1: He was like, wait, no, I don't feel that good.
Speaker 3: So they get him into the ambulance. The woman and
she's so I walk over to the ambulance with him.
Of course, we get him into the ambulance and then
they're like, do you want to ride with us? I'm like, well,
I have my car, Like, let me just take my car. Like,
I don't know what I was doing. I probably should
have just ridden with them.
Speaker 1: But so then it's just.
Speaker 3: Me walking to my car. My car happened to be
parked right in front of the restaurant, and the front
of the restaurant's all glass, so everybody that was watching
could see me walking to my car by myself. Nobody
that worked in the restaurant came out to be like,
are you okay?
Speaker 2: Do you need something? Still want your table?
Speaker 1: Julie Julie for two?
Speaker 3: I'm like okay, yeah, up here, just me, Yeah, is.
Speaker 1: There a seat at the bar. I just need one boy,
my hungry. I worked up quite an apatite. Hi guys.
Speaker 3: Dike Coke though like yeah. But the woman who had
helped me came out and she's like, are you okay?
She was so amazing and so wonderful.
Speaker 1: And turns out she works with.
Speaker 3: Children that special needs children, and she says this often
happens with them because they have a lot of dual diet,
you know, a lot of diagnoses going on besides being
special needs. Sometimes they have heard issues and this and that.
She's like, I'm like, you're amazing, Thank you so much.
I wish I, you know, would have said can I
have your name?
Speaker 1: Your number?
Speaker 3: I would have sent her something, of course, or just
like wrote her a really nice note. She was amazing
and she gave me a hug. Thank God for her.
Then I get in my car and that's when I
called you and I was just like, oh my god,
SEVENI oh my got Sevenie, Oh my god, Sephanie. And
I was like telling you, and I was shaking so
much uncontrollably. That that's when I took like half a
xan x point two five as xanax.
Speaker 2: I would have gone for a hole.
Speaker 3: I you know, I get so I hate those I
hate that stuff, but I take.
Speaker 1: It when I need to. I don't even know how
I drove.
Speaker 3: I did go through a red light on purpose because
I was very close to Tarzana Hospital.
Speaker 2: I know, and in retrospect, you were very sure that
you did not want me to come to the hospital,
because I was like, I will come and meet you
right yeah, literally down the street, and you were like, no, no, no,
I don't even know how long he'll be there, Like
it's totally fine.
Speaker 3: Because he was like awake and alive, although apparently in
the ambulance his blood pressure like tanked and they had
to start ivy fluids and stuff.
Speaker 2: But oh.
Speaker 3: My god, so so yeah, So I think I was
on the phone with you when I said I just
ran through a red light, I think because literally it
was red and I didn't see anybody, and I'm like,
fuck this, I need to get to the hospital. So
then I get to the emergency room and they let
me in and he's there in the bed and he's okay.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. It was it was crazy.
Speaker 3: But then they they they you know, did all the
testing they needed to do and this and that. We
stayed there for most of the night and then then
we went home, and I was so scared to let
him do anything without me there, like anytime he went
to the bathroom. Obviously, then we were like, okay, well
something's not right. You just like died in front of me,
so like, something's not right. We need to get you
checked out. Obviously, he's a cardiologist, so he called his
coworker and he's like, dude.
Speaker 1: So long story short.
Speaker 3: They do genetic testing and he has something called Brugottas syndrome,
which is a genetic condition that predisposes you too vasovagel
syncopee and sudden death.
Speaker 1: So that's what happened.
Speaker 3: I mean, he literally is the textbook Brugattas where he
had growing up. Even like as a twelve year old,
he passed out when he was not feeling well and
he chipped his tooth. He lost his front tooth on
the toilet seat. So even back then, but again it
was like when you're sick, you're just more predisposed to
that you pass out a little bit. This happened to
his dad, who's not alive anymore, God rest his soul.
When he would get sick, he would get weak like that,
and it's happened to his brother a couple times and
his sister once or twice.
Speaker 1: So we're like, oh, it runs in the family.
Speaker 3: They just you know, their blood pressure tanks and we
no big deal, it's nothing dangerous. It's just you know,
you have to make sure that you know you're around
when they get sick. So then it was like, okay,
you have brugattas, so it can lead to vasa veagel
syncopee and sudden death. Well that's exactly basically what happened
with him. And so now he has a pacemaker and
he has a defibrillator.
Speaker 1: They put that in.
Speaker 3: He talked to read different experts from across one this
Israeli expert, one from Canada, and one from Vanderbilt, and
he talked to all three of them to discuss these
are bugata experts. It's so rare that like, yes, you
learn about it in med school. Cardiologists know about brugatas,
but they don't the cardiologists at his hospital didn't have
like a ton of experience with it because it's just
not that common.
Speaker 1: So he wanted to.
Speaker 3: Talk to people, to experts that see this a lot
and they're all like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you need
a pacemaker like yesterday.
Speaker 2: So how does that work? Like with a defibrillator in there,
do you like press a button and it or no?
It said no, it senses okay, yeah.
Speaker 3: So what the pacemaker does is it prevents his heart
from just stopping like that. What the defibrillator does is
if he goes into a deadly arrhythmia, it'll shock him
out of that arrhythmia. So ideally he'll never need to
be defibrillated because he doesn't have a predisposition to fatal arrhythmias.
But he has a predisposition to sudden death where his
heart just stops. So that's where the pacemaker comes in.
So so now he's he's paced, so his heart rate
will never go below sixty beats per minute, which will
then in turn keep his blood pressure up, which will
then in turn hopefully prevent him from passing out and
so on and so forth. So we had the kids tested.
Actually we had Bella tested. We need to get Sophie tested.
Bella was negative. Interestingly though, his grandfather died at fifty.
Speaker 1: Yeah just drop dead.
Speaker 3: And back then, you know, they didn't check. They didn't
do autopsies. They just assumed, no, we had a heart attack,
probably from brugattas. So this is his dad's dad. So
his dad, being the oldest, had to basically work and
raise the family at such a young age because his
dad died at fifty and Jamiel, by the way, was fit.
He just turned fifty one. But it was fifty one.
Speaker 1: It happened. Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 3: I know?
Speaker 1: So yeah, so that happened.
Speaker 3: And you know, he was actually just recently on a
trip to Chicago for work and he got real woozy
at the dinner table.
Speaker 1: But he's like, I got my pacemaker. I'm good. He
drank water, he's fine.
Speaker 3: So now he really hydrates a ton and just you know,
I mean, now he's okay because he's his pacemaker, and
now I can sleep at night. But between the incident
and the time he got his pacemaker was like three weeks.
And dude, literally, if he was in the bathroom for
more than like two minutes, I'm like, dude, are you okay.
Speaker 1: I'm like texting him, I'm like, what you do. He's like, honey,
I'm fine, I'm fine.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't let him travel. I wouldn't let him like
do anything without me there. I mean, he would go
to work, but work is the safest place you can be.
So I was like, fine, you're at the hospital all day,
that's great. If anything happens, you're gonna be fine there.
Speaker 1: But at home, I was so scared. I couldn't sleep.
I was just like it was awful. Oh, because with Brugattas.
Speaker 3: The crazy thing is is most incidents sudden death happen
when you're sleeping. It's actually when your body is at
most rest. Is when the heart rate slows so much,
the blood pressure comes down so much that it just stops.
So most of it happens when you're sleeping.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. It's crazy, it's crazy. It's crazy.
Speaker 3: So that's why I had such trouble sleeping because I
was like, are you breathing? Like are you really okay?
And then you got a spacemaker. I'm like, we're good,
we're good, we're good. So, yes, that's what happened. And
then crazy.
Speaker 2: Story, how many times have you had to take xanax
between that happening and now?
Speaker 1: None?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't take it.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, I get I don't take it because Stephanie,
your your attic brain is like you grow, but you
have it though I don't need it and I don't
want it, Okay, I don't like it.
Speaker 1: I only take it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I love it when I need it, because
when I'm having when I'm in a full blown panic attack,
it no amount of meditation and breathing is bringing me down.
It's scary, Like it's scary. My body starts shaking, I
get physical symptoms, you know. So that's when I needed
The last time I took it prior to that was
a few years when I went to Singapore visit my brother.
My brother was going through a really hard time, a
very hard time, and I had to get on a
flight emergently to get out to Singapore by myself, and
I was just I was, you know, when your family's
going through a hard time, it's very scary, and I
think I was just so I was by myself.
Speaker 1: I was so nervous.
Speaker 3: I think at that I took a Xanax on my
way to Singapore on the flight just to like calm
me down. Once I got there as fine, and I
didn't need one coming home because at that point my
brother was was okay.
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That was seamless. Yeah, I was just thinking about like
a stressful thing that happened. I've talked about it on
the show before. But the time that I told you
that John, yes, that I thought he was going to die. Yes,
which if if Lynette was here, I thought I was
gonna die, he would do her Rosanna Rosanna, And but yeah,
he had it turned out he had food poisoning. But
I didn't know what was wrong with him, and he
was just not feeling well and he was in the
bathroom for like so long and then he fell on
the floor and then he told me to call nine
one one then and then I opened the door. Oh
and he was telling me he might need some aspirin.
He didn't know if he had a heart attack or
a stroke or what was wrong. And then he told me, like,
if he doesn't make it, Alb that he loves me,
and tell Albe he loves he loves her. Not the
other kids. No, they weren't a lot. They weren't born yet.
Albie was six months old.
Speaker 1: Oh, Stephanie hadn't.
Speaker 2: Met you yet, because I met you like a good
year later. Yeah, but she was in her crib and
we had had a tough night with her, you know,
crying and like she was not great great, the greatest sleeper,
I don't know, but she'd gotten to sleep. This was
at like three o'clock in the morning, I want to say,
maybe it was like five am. Yeah, because so the paramedics.
I was talking on the phone to the guy. Now,
in those days, the street I live on, there's two
streets with the same name. One of them is south
of like Across Street, and one of them is north
And at the time GPS was not able, wasn't wasn't
as able to find it like nowadays, like two thousand
and four, it was. It was in two thousand and
four yep, or maybe two. So there was the GPS
was kind of sucked, like you could you could find it,
but you sometimes go to the wrong street. So I'm
on the phone with nine one one and the guy
was kind of a dick, like, which is you know,
kind of part for the course, sorry, but there are
instances of that. So I'm panicked, you know, because it's
me and I'm not holding it together that well. And
I'm like, you know, my husband has just said like
said goodbye to me and thinks he's going to die.
And I'm panicked, and I'm like you and the guys
like don't ma'am. You've got to calm down. The ambulance
is there, and I'm like, no, it's not. And he's like, yes,
it is. It's on your street. And I was like,
I don't hear any sirens.
Speaker 1: Did you know there were two streets at that time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I told the guy, I said, you're on
the wrong street. Yeah, and he was like, no, they're not,
like he's arguing with me, and I was like, why
are you arguing with me? I am telling you there's
no ambulance here. They are not here. And then he
was like you need to calm down. Oh my god,
he got mad at me.
Speaker 3: It was like they're not here, like tell them that
it's Meanwhile, he thinks you're just an hysterical woman who
doesn't know what's happening.
Speaker 2: It's north of Hatteras, it's north of Hatters And then uh,
finally he was like just a minute, you know, and
then he relayed the information. And then they finally got there,
but it was late, I mean stressful, and they took
his vitals and all this stuff. Meanwhile Elbie slept through
the whole thing. Wow. So you know, me screaming, the
parametics coming in and they were pretty calm because they
checked his vit and they're like he's he's he's gonna be,
He's gonna be okay, you know, wow. And then they
put him in the ambulance. And then I had a
similar thing though, where I was like, oh my god, Okay,
what am I going to do? Because I had to
wake out. I had to get her up, yes, and
she had only been sleeping for you know, and I
had to put her in her car seat. Oh my god,
change her diaper, probably put her in a car seat.
I know what people are thinking, like, why didn't you
train her, patty train her earlier, like at six months old. Okay,
I wasn't there yet anyway. Yeah, and then I had
to go to the hospital. Do you remember this how
I had called my mom?
Speaker 1: I sure do. I was just going to say, you
did not have much support, no at all.
Speaker 2: I called my mom. I asked her to come meet
me at the hospital and take the take LB or.
I asked her to come to my house. I think,
like be with LB or something. She said, traffic's going
to be really bad. I bring her here, which she
lived far.
Speaker 1: I can't. It doesn't even if she was me five
minutes away.
Speaker 2: No, I can't drive her to you. I was like,
I'm I was crying, you know, and I was like,
can you help me? Because I thought if she could
come to the house, what I could do is bring Elbie.
Speaker 1: Back, because Elbie Stuck is there every day.
Speaker 2: Bring her back, put her in her crib, and then
my mom could sit in the house, of course and
watch her, so I could be with John because I didn't.
And John is like it has is big on, like
not having babies in an er and like because germs, germs, Yeah,
especially six months I knew he'd be upset about that,
but yeah, she wouldn't. Yeah, it wasn't willing, Stephanie.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you met that. I mean truly,
Like I relied on on my mom like a lot
when they were really little.
Speaker 3: I mean in terms of like knowing I could call
her if I needed something, you know what I'm saying.
Like to go through having three children and not have
that family support, I don't know how you did it
with like sanity, Like, ah, that's amazing.
Speaker 2: Well by the time yeah, Sadie and Xander came along,
I was more used to it.
Speaker 3: But still now you have three children, like, I don't know,
like I it's incredible, Like it's incredibly your amazing mom,
You've done an amazing jo.
Speaker 2: Santics back in the day, you know, I mean that
was I'm just I was just thinking though about how,
like I went through a few different things. I mean,
we both have gone through stuff. But like when Elbie
was a little baby, she had to go to the
hospital because she would get very easily dehydrated. So when
she would get sick, she would not eat or drink anything,
and I would have to sometimes put water in her
mouth like with a syringe. Yeah, she just spit it out. Wow.
She would get dehydrated, and the only way to help
her and then she it was really bad because she'd
be like puking and like and she'd get really really
pale and be super lethargic. It happened a couple of times,
so once when she was like six months old. That's
really scary, yeah, And I had to bring her to
the hospital. And I remember my mom wouldn't help me
then either. But you know who did come help me
was my brother and his wife. And also do you
remember this because this story that Elbie. We couldn't get
a vein on her because she was so dehydrated. Baby
the baby veins and they brought out a pic you
nurse to try to get the get the needle in
her and they couldn't so and I was like beside
myself because she was just screaming and screaming in the vain.
She might have been a little bit older, she might
have been like fourteen months, yeah, and they couldn't help her,
and then she ended up. I spent the night with her.
I was not sober then, but I remember I had
like xanax with me. I probably took an old vicodin
that I found from like a but I.
Speaker 1: Because and then you nursed her to just calm her down.
Speaker 2: Of course, yeah, because I fed her till she was five,
exactly because I'm a good mom. No. But then I
spent the night in the picic you wow.
Speaker 1: Yes, wow, And.
Speaker 2: They still couldn't get a vein, and they, dude, they
kept trying again and she would scream and then I'd
be like, can you just can she just let her
like get through the night or whatever, and some they
ended up and gtube and G tubes yeah wow, so
they and then they made me leave.
Speaker 3: Oh god, because I got to put that in it
in her up the nose.
Speaker 2: YouTube, like two tubes up her nose so that they
could get some fluid.
Speaker 1: And usually one one tube, so I thought it was
I it was two. They shouldn't be.
Speaker 2: Able to really like breathe that while, Oh that's usually
what Yeah, so they put a tube upper nose into.
Speaker 1: Her inter stomach. Yeah, dude, Yeah, that's rough. She must
have been screaming when.
Speaker 2: That was a town. That's why I was in like
complete panic mode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, out of town, and your mom's like useless, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: There was a suit and he was stuck in a snowstorm.
He was in Virginia and there was a snowstorm and
he couldn't.
Speaker 1: He mustn't bet speaking out too like it was not
freaking out.
Speaker 2: It was one of the most like he says, it's
one of the most traumatic things. He was just like
he just kept calling me and calling me, and then
the reception was bad. And then the our pediatrician's office,
Oh my god. So everybody was out of the office
and the on call person wasn't there. So it was
like a practice of six doctors yea, and they were
somehow they were all out. So they had like a
random on you I guess when this happens. And I
don't remember why it happened, but they had hired somebody
to be on call, but he wasn't in the practice, right, Yeah,
So it was just a rando was.
Speaker 3: Usually it's a lot of times that, Like so Jamil
when he was in Fellowship, he would do that to
make extra money. So a lot of times it's like
someone in fellowship or something and they want to make
extra money, so they'll take your call for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's what it was. So I was talking
to somebody who had it didn't know the baby at all, right, right,
I didn't know me and was having to be the
go between because he was just an on call in
my gospital to figure out how to treat her because
they didn't know what was wrong. Wow. Ended up being
nothing was really wrong. She was just very dehydrating.
Speaker 1: Hydrated though. That's so scary.
Speaker 3: I know, like when you have babies, the doctor always says,
like when they're sick, well, are they eating, are they drinking?
As long as you can get fluids down, it's okay.
And then when they're not getting fluids down, you know
there's something wrong.
Speaker 2: And that's what that's what happened with her A couple
of times a baby she just wouldn't eat or drink.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so when they get super lethargic, especially if they
have a fever and they're losing fluid that way too, And.
Speaker 2: I couldn't really like wake her up was the problem.
So they were telling me to, like, but Jude, that's
so scary, like washcloths on her face and on her
body and trying to and she had was running a
high fever. Remember this story, because I brought her in
and I was like, she's running a really high fever
and they they take their temperature. Oh my god. So
this was the guy that was working like not the
front desk, but when you go in.
Speaker 1: They're like nurse triage.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yes, So he took her temperature and was like,
no fever, and I was like, are you on fucking crack.
I was like, she's running a high fever. I go
feel her, yeah yeah, yeah, she was burning up.
Speaker 1: God.
Speaker 2: And he gave me the most condescending look and he's like,
I just took her temperature. She doesn't have a fever.
And I was like, take it again, okay, and then
they somehow he was so rude to me. But then
we go back. Oh my god. I still have like
a resentment against some of these nurses from that night.
So but somebody else took her temperature, only at my
insistence because I kept saying, they say she has no fever,
she does have a fever. And then this one nurse
was like, well, yeah, she clearly has a fever. So
she takes her temperature and it was like one hundred
and four or like one hundred and three point five,
like something high. Yeah, And then she was like I
was like, and she goes oh, by the way, but
very casually to the guide that she was. She was like, oh,
you might that thermometer doesn't work. But I was like, wow,
can somebody tell him off?
Speaker 1: Like you're like, I'm busy. I would, but I can't
right now.
Speaker 2: I were that asshole. I was so mad. But that
was when they couldn't get a vein. Say, this was
the same hospital trip. They couldn't get a vein, and
then I was crying and he was like, you need
and I was luckily had xanax with me, but he
was like you are lucky because he goes we could
just stick something in her thigh, like into the bone.
Face lee. He was threatening me with like something that
sounded very like torture, and I go, I was like,
what kind of a hospital is this like talk to
like you know, I had my wits about me enough
to go like, I want a different a different nurse. Yes,
And so I got somebody else came and then they
were nice. But then they then they sent me to
the piqu because they couldn't they couldn't help her, and
then that's when they put the tube down and then
I slept with her on my chest all night. But
everybody in the pick You was lovely. Yeah, it was
the er where they sucked.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, poor little lb E sont But the
trauma of like being by yourself, oh my, I cannot
even imagine in an er. Cannot even imagine.
Speaker 2: They can't figure out what's going on and they can't
get a vein.
Speaker 3: That's your worst nightmare, like worst nightmare. Yeah, oh my god, Stephanie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's amazing that I function without Xanax currently.
Speaker 1: No, seriously, I mean, I just.
Speaker 2: You just don't like you're fine. You're just like if
I wasn't addicted, if I wasn't an addict, I would
just I would be like, I'm gonna take one right now,
just telling this, retelling this story, I know, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, the problem is, Zamax, give me a quarter.
Speaker 3: If you don't need it, yea, then it kind of
makes you just tired and useless, like I like to
be busy in doing things, but when you need it,
it just makes you feel normal.
Speaker 1: If you don't need it, it's just more of like
a downer. Really, it just like makes you kind of
like too chill.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that is such non addicts it's
not a downer. It's called taking the edge off. It's
the greatest feeling ever. If you don't walk around with
a certain degree of edge, then I guess you don't
know that life is better when you take that edge off.
Speaker 1: See that's so funny. Oh my god.
Speaker 3: No, I don't like alcohol. I don't like any of that.
I like to feel every feeling. I like to have
a lot of energy, and I like to like tackle
the day. Like I'm totally the opposite friends.
Speaker 2: So true. You know, it's funny though. I think I
liked you more when I realized you were having some
panic attacks because you were always like very chill about,
like guarenteeing, you know, like when I meet you, I
think Laura and I because that was our original threesome.
I met Julie. Yeah, I've told this story a million times,
and Laura will listen to this episode and get a
kick out of it. But yeah, Lara got mad because
I met Julie, and Lara was like, oh great, so
now you're friends with Kasey Kaysum's daughters. Remember you're you're
moving on up.
Speaker 3: Yea.
Speaker 2: She only brought that out when I met somebody who
had a pool pool, and then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh you have a friend with a pool.
Speaker 2: Oh, so first it's Katy Keith's daughter. Then you're moving
up to the people with a pool. But no, but
the three of us hung out together all the time,
and Laura and I both run high strung, like yeah,
I look calm next to Laura, Yes, because Lara would
run very, very anxious. Yes, And then you would just
be like the show like cool cool.
Speaker 3: Like well, that is the weird thing I feel like
in life. I don't know if it's because I worked
in hospice for a while way back, and you know,
before I had kids or whatever, but like, if shit
ain't that bad or whatever, you know what I mean, Like,
you see shit that's really bad, and then you see
everything else and you're like, you know what, it's not
that big of a deal. So the fact that I
have panic attacks is so funny because I'm like, there's
nothing to panic about. Everything's fine, everybody's fine, everybody's you know, I'm.
Speaker 1: Willing healthy, everybody's okay. You know.
Speaker 3: Yes, of course there are bumps in the road with
life in general, and it's okay to have feelings and
be sad and cry and be angry. Of course I'm
not saying like everything is honky dory, But for the
most part, nothing is an emergency, you know what I mean,
And so I do feel that way. But then I
get these weird panic attacks that make me feel like
I'm going to die and life is an emergency. So
it's kind of this weird dichotomy. It's kind of funny.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I try. I try to worry when
I need to worry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I try to worry as much as possible. No,
I try not to worry when I don't need to worry.
But do you ever still feel and then we can
we can wrap this up. But do you ever still
feel anxiety for no real reason? Just like yes, Like
I'm feeling it today and I kind of think I
know what it is, even though it's not a big deal.
But like we're we have we're doing our taxes tonight,
we have a call with our accountant. There's no real
reason to be anxious about it. Everything's fine, we've already
we have all the numbers. But there's something that feels
a little out of control about like yes, or I
don't know what it is, Like what if he says,
will you guys are twenty thousand dollars, right, Just there's
something about not knowing what's going to happen that gives
me this weird like when I'm like.
Speaker 3: This anxious feeling. No, I get that, don't get me.
I'm not like so chill, like life is perfect. I'm
not like perma high, where everything's perma baked, where everything's
totally by nothing.
Speaker 1: To worry about here. No, of course I worry. I mean,
of course, but that's very normal.
Speaker 3: By the way, to have anxiety over things that you
should feel anxious about.
Speaker 1: Doing taxes is awful.
Speaker 3: I mean every year when it comes around, that's the
world that we hate doing that. No, of course, And
yes I get anxiety, Like to your question, I will
get anxiety randomly, like actually, funny enough, driving over here,
I was really anxious, and I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, why do I have it? Like why everything's.
Speaker 3: Fine, I have a day off of work, I'm chilling,
I'm going to do a fun podcast.
Speaker 1: But I had like that, just anxiety. I don't know. Yeah,
that's very normal. I think a lot of people get
that when when.
Speaker 3: There's not necessarily something to be anxious about and you
just feel anxious. Yeah, that's totally normal. I mean, especially taxes.
Even though you say it's all laid out, you still
have to meet with an accountant and like talk about
life and money, and that's money is so stressful.
Speaker 1: Always like ugh, yeah, no, that's very nice.
Speaker 2: I'm always like did I forget something? Right? I make
money from so many different sources, and I'm like, right,
did I forget about it?
Speaker 1: Am I gonna get audited? Do I have my receipts?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: It's the worst feeling.
Speaker 2: Maybe it is too because I have been audited. So
it's like which was like the shittiest.
Speaker 1: It's awful, I'm sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So John runs way more anxious about like potential audit,
like are we allowed to write this off? Or are
we allowed to write that off? And I'm always like, nobody,
it doesn't work the way you think it works. The
IRS doesn't come to your house and start looking through
your receipts. They don't even look at receipts anymore. Oh
the IRS. You your accountant deals with it for you,
and they just give them numbers and then they go,
yes we'll allow that or no we won't. Right, right,
It's happened to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Eight thousand dollars and then the accountant was in there
and then they were like okay eight hundred wow, wow
many years ago. But that was because I hadn't written.
I hadn't like, I hadn't paid taxes on the car
that I won. Oh yeah, yeah it squares like I
had this. I had a whole mess, yes and yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And it's hard when you're running your own business, working
for yourself, like it's it is.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of gray area there, like what can
you read off? Not right off? Yeah, oh totally anyway
that makes sense?
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