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Speaker 1: And I remember I was watching go back through the

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back patio, and when I turned back around to look

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through the frosted glass, I saw the big silhouette like this,

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and then when I turned made eye contact. He went,

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we talk about creepy everywhere I can find the blind

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Speaker 2: The infinite complaint people went to and pro thearth about

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their little affairs, serene and the assurance of their dominion

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over this small binning fragment of solar driftwood, which, by

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chance or design, man has inherited out of the dark

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mystery of time and space.

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Speaker 3: On this episode of Into the Fray, I welcome Courts

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on with me, and courts is in Texas. But courts

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it looks like we are going to be talking about

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Bigfoot in Bolt, Texas and Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: Right, that's correct?

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Speaker 3: Awesome, Well, thank you so much for doing this. I

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just have the beautiful bullet point list that you sent me,

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so I don't have any details of what's about to

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go down, which I'm very excited about. But wherever you

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want to start, and however much background you want to

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give on yourself, and you know how you got interested

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in Bigfoot. All that good stuff is up to you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'll go ahead and just kind of how

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I got started in this, and just real quick. Back

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when I was like eight or nine, I went to

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a book fair and I saw I had to get

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a couple of books, and so I saw a book

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about Bigfoot and NeSSI and it was it was a

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lot of the stories in this book are probably famous

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ones you probably heard before, and a few others. And

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then he gets to half the book and then it

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goes in and then another author gets into NeSSI stories.

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And when I was eight and nine, I actually I

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actually didn't think this was actually a minute. I actually

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thought these are just creatures that just lived in the

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forest up in the Pacific northwest, right. And what's cool

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is I was able on eBay to find that book

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after since the nineteen I had lost it and this

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is the book who wrote.

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Speaker 3: That I have saw that somewhere online before.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so there's two authors. Was Angelo Riskkiati Riskyati risk

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T I I. I think it's Italian.

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Speaker 3: That sounds close well the way you said it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then uh and then uh uh. Dean Damon

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is the guy that wrote the Nessy Stories and yeah,

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what's the title.

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Speaker 3: Just for everybody listening, they.

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Speaker 1: Put in NeSSI two mysterious monsters I love.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, straight to the point.

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Speaker 1: Right, this was this is what launched my interest in it.

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Speaker 1: So, uh, back in I have had I've always like

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had an interest in like, you know, the the unknown

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and monsters and paranormal and and uh, you know, we

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in college we used to let's go find this place

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that's haunted, you know, and all this other stuff. And

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you know, every now and then I get a story about,

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you know, something someone experiencing, something happening in the woods

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and and stuff like that. So I never researched into it.

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I never got boots on the ground in the field.

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I didn't know where to start, you know. In nineteen

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ninety three, I believe, when I had moved down here

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to Texas from Illinois, and I met a few you know,

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and I had a friend that lived near up near

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the Red River near Callisburg in that region and that

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and then off of Highway eighty two. It's it's very

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it's probably a little bit more developed now, but it's

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it's there's some remote areas out there, and he his

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family bought some land right by this this infamous eighteen

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ninety three bridge. And when I moved here, and I

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had talked about talk to people about that bridge because

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it's creepy. It's a little scaffolding bridges. And when he

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went over, first of all, it's a dirt road, the lonely,

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it's it makes you feel uncomfortable. And the vegetation is

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real tight out there, the creek system, and when you

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go over this bridge, it's just you know, it just

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rumbles and just it's spooky. And I started talking to

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people about that because I was new here. I was

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from Illinois, and people are like, don't go over that

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place at night. That place is home, and you know,

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it's all the paranlems, there's a monster that lives out there,

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you know, all the all the high school, you know

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stories of that place. And of course, you know, I

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was like, oh, this is kind of interesting. But my

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friend moved out there. They bought some land. They moved

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from Whitesburrow out there to this land, and you had

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to go over that bridge, and then you took a

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turn to this little trail that got even more spookier

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and that's where they had their trailer and they lived

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out there, and they had they had a good little

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patch of land, the clear cut little I guess, little

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roads through there, through the dense fot, you know, through

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the dense woods, and they had a they had a

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camp pit that they would enjoy at night and stuff.

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friend and he said he had to come home. He

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was working at the Sherman and Pigley Wiggie, and he

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he said, I had to go home early last night

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before closing because something happened out in my land. And

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I said, well, what happened? And he said, well, my

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brother uh and cousin we're out at the at the

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at the camp with the little burn pit. I guess

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it was a camp pit, you know, about one hundred

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meters from the house and having kicking back, having some beers,

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you know, because that's it's in the it's remote, it's

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you know, there's the nearest neighbors like a mile away.

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them and they turned around, both of them, and what

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they saw. What they see, he said, what they saw

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was a seven and a half foot hair covered creature

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and just walking out of the woods toward them, out

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of the tree line about you know, forty meters back.

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swears to god he hit it right in the chest

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with buckshot. It screams and runs back into the woods. Now,

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my friends said when he got out there, they had

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called county after the incident, and so when he got

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Cook County sheriff, Cook County game warden, I think maybe

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even one from Love County across the Red River. He

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got out there and they said everyone was very much

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on high alert. There was a blood They collected a

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blood sample from the splatter on the tree or whatever

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like that. They never got back with them about what

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it was. So that was my first indication, my first

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you know, of bigfoots here in Texas. I thought, I

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always thought this was like a Pacific Northwest thing, but

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that that signified the stories the people had here in

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here in North Texas about bigfoots. So I put that

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incident on the back burner from for years and years

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and years, and then one one, uh, I think one

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one year when I was back visiting from college. I

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decided I thought I got thinking about that incident because

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his nearest neighbor said that must have been the black

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bear that lives around here, because he was told I've

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tracked black bear by his by his footprints, and I

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attracted to its den, and I got thinking about it

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one night in two thousand and three, and I said,

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but I don't think they make dens here and here

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in Texas, I don't have a den they go to.

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sounds like, maybe that guy found a tree structure or

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something like that built by the bigfoots. He might it

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might have been, you know, something like that. He thought

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it was a black bear. So so I got after that,

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I got restructuring, I got, I got. I started looking

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up online about bigfoot reports in Texas, and that's what

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the Tea. It was Craig Woolheater and and his group

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that was the what is what is there? I think

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they called the wood Ape Conservatory. Now they're called something

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different back then, Yeah, Texas, but something. And I got

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reading all the reports and sure enough, I look at

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Cook County and Grayson County, I'm like, holy crap. You know,

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there's a lot of reports and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: Were there any reports around that time in ninety three

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when that incident happened with your friend.

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Speaker 1: No, but they were a several from that exact same

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spot of the eighteen ninety three bridge. There's one lady

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that had contacted them because of her and he's a

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he was a biology teacher at Callisburg, which is right

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out there, and she said that she was talking to

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her teacher here to her teacher, a biology teacher, was

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telling her about how he would go out to that

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same bridge to have some beers and they would come

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up on around the bend and then there would be

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some big monkey creature ape creature, you know, shaking a

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branch or something and disappear into the woods. There's another

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one where they were out there and they heard this

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thing moving through the woods off you know, they're standing

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on the bridge, and then they spotlighted this thing and

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they of course they took their shotguns and shot at

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it and it ran off. So there's like two or

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three four instance from that same spot, from that same bridge.

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Speaker 3: Do you recall if your friend said that after he

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shot it, that he felt like, I mean, taking buckshot

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to the chest is bad news, right? So I guess

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two parts, how far does he guess he was away

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from the Bigfoot? And does he feel like it would

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Speaker 1: Right right? I think because you know, he had a

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you know, it's just that's just I was a skippy

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boy from Illinois and they were you know, they these

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my friends were. They were true rednecks. I mean that's okay.

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I mean that's that's just how I was. The culture

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that I was trying to get used to here. You know, like,

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why would you bring a shotgun out and mill it woods?

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that I was. It may have been a four I

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twelve gage. He could have been a four ten, I

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don't know, but it was close enough. You know, they

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you know, they they reacted. It was a reaction thing.

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a lot of fear in them, and I don't know

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what its intent was, but they grabbed the shotgun and

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went for center mass. So I don't did much to it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't sound like it. I mean, because we've

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heard people say they've had even rifles for taking down larger,

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known proven animals like elk and things. And they were

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kind of going, well, I'm gonna be really really quiet

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where I am sitting right now, because even what I

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gonna help me if there's a price, if it notices

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me and decides I'm gonna.

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Speaker 1: Mess you up right right. And I have, like, there's

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two other instances that I know of that either people

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it seems to be on all three of these, but

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the one I just told you about, and then the

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other two, it seems to be that they get shot,

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they react, and then they run and they don't ever

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see them again, you know. And I always tell people, well,

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it's kind of a win win situation. It's like, well,

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well it technically didn't take it down, but it does

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buy you some time to get out of there. But

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I can I can certainly amount to hunters when they're

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sitting in their blines because I've I've read the stories.

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They're like, Nope, I am not even going to try it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're just going I am a mouse. I am

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a mouse right now. I'm a mouse. I'm gonna be

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very cool.

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Speaker 1: Don't see me.

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watch from afar. They don't quite mind as much to

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you're in my area, So I'm going to let you know.

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Speaker 1: About that, especially in Oklahoma. Yeah, they're cranky.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're grumpy. Maybe it's the weather of the humidity,

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the heat. You know, who knows, like go north, go

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to the Pacific Northwest guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, Like I don't know what it was

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because I remember when uh, you know, kind of getting

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into my research when I started, you know, when I

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when I started researching online. Then I then I started

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going out because I found a couple of reports at

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Lake Rae Roberts, where I go to at the time

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to go do photography all the time, and I didn't

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really think much of it until one day one morning,

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I pushed into an area that's off it's an area

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that's closed now, but it's the observation point high Controler

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areas closed now, but at the time, like I pushed

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the opposite way east into an area that's not you know,

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it's an unexplored area that people don't go to. And

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I ended up finding basically a tree structure and it

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was all it was all woven. It was it was gnarly,

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it was popped off from a tree that was close by,

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and it was well woven and stuff like that. And

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you could see this kind of stuff all built along

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the hillside overlooking where people would go swimming at and

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stuff like that. So that was the start of my

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research out there at Lake Gray Roberts. And what really

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sold me before I this is long before this is

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several months before I even had my Maximon encounter. I

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would go out there, and I would do knocks and

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stuff like that, you know, the usual thing. But I

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decided one time to park in the parking lot instead

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of going up and hiking down through the gully and

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then back up you know from you on the opposite

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side of the I decided just to park there at

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the parking lot and go directly through the field, which

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will which would lead me to where I was finding

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all that stuff. So I was coming in a completely

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different way. I wasn't taking the path down to the

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cove and then back up again, coming back a completely

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different way.

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Speaker 5: And I saw.

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Speaker 1: Having a little camera with me, and I saw some

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kind of you know, it looked like a structure and whatever.

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I was about to investigate it and maybe take some pictures,

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get my camera out, and all of a sudden, I

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hear the loudest from I guess maybe seventy five yards

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away or it was close, but he was like it

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sounded like this like that, and it was I call

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it the ho ho ho vocalization. The only person that

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I've ever heard of it's heard that vocalization is a

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survivorn man.

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Speaker 3: Uh. That's his name, Less Stroud, That's.

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Speaker 1: Stroud because he he did. He mimicked that same vocalization

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that he heard up in the hill in Alaska, and

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I went, when I heard him do that vocalization, I went,

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you know so, but it scared the Jesus on because

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you could you could feel it in your chest. It

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was about seventy five eighty yards away from some were

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in the woods. But it sounded very abrupt, like it

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was almost trying to warn the others or something. But

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it was almost like a human voice with the octave

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down low and just super broadcast. It was just you know,

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in your chest.

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Speaker 3: And how could a person do that?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: How could a person make you feel it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I could feel it in my chest, and that's

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why I tell people like it wasn't a person. So

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I grabbed my stuff and I high tailed it back

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to the tree line close to where the field was

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before you get to the parking lot. I stopped and

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I hung out there for a good forty five minutes actually,

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just to see, you know, now that I was in

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a more of a safer spot. I was just kind

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of like hanging out and I would need little calls.

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I'd be like, you know, just kind of back at it,

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and you could hear. They wouldn't come close. They would

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just you could hear walking and sticks breaking and you

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know like that. That was the same day. I think

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I was there for like twenty minutes. I heard a

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dog barking. It was coming from my right because the

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woods wrapped around to my like here if that was here,

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the woods wrapped around this way, and I heard this.

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I don't know where that dog came from, but all

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of a sudden I heard and then no more dog.

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Then I heard a series of knocks on the tree

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like it was and then I heard I can knock

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back further where I heard the dog get. So I'm

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guessing that they had a stray dog that they took.

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Speaker 3: So this Lake Ray Roberts, is it in the middle

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of some kind of a big national park or a preserve.

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Is there houses near this area?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there are some few houses near there,

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but it's you know, there's North Texas and then there's

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this Lake Ray Roberts, and then a dam, and then

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there is a twelve month from the dam downward to Denton,

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where I live. There is a twelve mile green belt

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that's lightly populated. It's a green belt. It's been selected

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as a green bay as a river, and then a

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bike path that you can buy. You can actually bike

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from laquer Roberts all the way down to the dtton

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three eighty, so it's the three eighty green Belt. I

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got interesting. Somebody sent me an article not long long ago.

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It's back in the maybe early nineties. The people were

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kayaking down down the three eighty green Belt because you

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can kayak. You can put your kayak in by the

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dam and then you can just kayak on down. And

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there's my friend goes, hey, man, you got to check

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out this news story. So he sent me the article.

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It was I guess early two thousands, maybe nineteen nineties

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or something. To get up to look back up again,

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but it was these two people were kayaking down and

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they had they got to a part where they had

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to get the kayaks out and then go around and

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falling tree and then get put the kayaks back in.

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And when they did, they saw a series of eighteen

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inch prints in the clay where they're on the shoreline.

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So I was like, oh wow, that's cool. So that

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was that was a little So they're they're in the

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they're in that green belt area, and I always you know,

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I always said that it might actually be the same

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group of them that's that's out there at Lake Great Roberts.

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So because there's a there's a family, a family unit out.

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Speaker 3: There, do you think that they stay there all year

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round or do you think they move quite a bit.

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Speaker 1: I think that they move around in the area, but

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they still use that area all year round. The way

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that I'll shoot some homage to the late David Hawley,

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which is the founder of the Timberline big Foot Research

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group that I got with for you know, I was

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a member of for the past twenty years, and David

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David Hollway explained it like this, here's the lake, here's

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our area. This is there, this is where we are.

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In the fall, we use up every resource, eat every critter,

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a deer, whatever we can get a hold of. When

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that area dries up, we move here maybe by the spring,

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depending on what type type of wake it is. You know,

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there's not there's areas from Laker Roberts that are a

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very big open prairie. So I'm just you know, considering

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the areas that are, you know, and then so for them,

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that area might dry up and so they'll go south

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into the green Belt for a couple of months and

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maybe eat, just visit the area closer to the national

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or the state park area, the remote area during the nighttime.

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So it seems that there's activity there at night when

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people are not there. Back in twenty eleven, I put

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out I decided just to put out an audio recorder

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off trail, and I have the recording about ten thirty

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at night of something on clearly on two legs. And

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and you know, the place is closed. This trail is closed.

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It's you know, the campgrounds across the across the cove.

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So this camp this this trail is closed. This is

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not a place that people will be walking around at night.

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Plus it's off trail, right, So something walks up and

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I'll have if I can when I find I can

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send it to you. Sometimes something walks, it's getting closer,

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it's on two feet, and it walks and it stops

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when it sees the recorder on the ground because it

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was leaning up next to a tree with a little

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red light on it. And it according to my my

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bigfoot research friend that's part of the Timberline group, he says,

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it sounds like picked it up because you hear the

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you know when when a microphone hits wind, so you

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can hear and then you hear something licking the recorder

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and then it puts it back down and then you

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here it just walks off. It's one of the best

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recordings ever. I love it.

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Speaker 3: That's a good one. I haven't heard. I don't think

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I've heard anyone yet describe something like that where it's

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a sniff and then it's trying to lick it to

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really see what's doing.

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Speaker 1: If you want, I can send you. I'll get that

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right isolated that that section and I'll send it to

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you sometimes to see your take on it, because it's

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like it sounds like it's licking it. So that was

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kind of cool. I have a friend of mine who

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you says it may have been hogs, but I don't

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think it's hogs. I have another, well, I hope I

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have another recording somewhere that I've been trying to find this.

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I think I think I had a long version of it,

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so I have to isolate another the segment. But it's

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you can hear these hogs out there at Lake Grey Roberts,

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you know, you can hear them rooting up and making

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noise and I'm like, I don't think. I don't think

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that's hogs, because they would make I've got the hogs

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on the audio, and they're interesting part about this audio

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as I got listened to it, and you can hear

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these hogs about. I listened to this thing with headphones

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fight forty five minutes and all of a sudden you

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to hear you hear this like when the hogs are,

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you know, rooting around. You hear this knocking on the

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tree at three am. This is like three am out there,

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and then uh, there's there's some a good seven minutes

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of quiet whatever, and all of a sudden you just

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hear this hog just scream and bloody murder, and then

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it just goes silent and then allowed. And then you

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hear somewhere else farther away from the recorder. You're so,

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I guess I'm putting two or two and two together.

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I think they're a hog hutton. That night, I think

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that hog was getting killed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's plenty to eat out in Texas. We

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should just be clear because a lot of people think

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of Texas and they think of much like my area

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just blowing dust and it's deserted and tumble weeds. If

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you go outside of a city, that's that's not it.

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There's there's legit forest out there with deer and hogs,

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and the hogs are actually quite a problem out there,

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so they have lots to eat. Are there houses actually

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property like properties on the lake?

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Speaker 1: There is, but only prairie. I call it the prairie side. Okay,

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this site is interesting because it's the state park. The

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southern part of lakeer Roberts by the dam is kind

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of from the dam over to the park is basically

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off limits, heavily forested, and then it goes down from

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there heavily forested through the green belt. There's some areas

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where but it's a creek system, so they follow the

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creek system because nobody's out there and that place is

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closed at night, so they can follow. They can go

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north and south. But at Lake Lake Gray Roberts they can, uh,

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they can. They can go from from the dam area.

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That whole area is closed off. It's like close off

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of the public. So it's heavily forested, very remote. I

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push back in there because I like, you know, I

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like to find an export area and that's where you

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find good wildlife. And but there is a horse trail

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that goes through, but there are no houses out there.

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There's no There's maybe a house across the street or two,

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but everyone out there has like five acres of land,

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you know, forested, like nobody cares, like they don't, they

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have no clue what's going on.

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Speaker 3: So well, they probably don't really want to think that

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there's bigfoot out there. They might end up in our house.

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But so that entire green belt area that you're speaking of,

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does that close? All of that green belt essentially closes

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at ten or eleven at night every every single day, right,

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You can't.

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Speaker 1: Be out there at night. Yeah, So it's a it's

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an open corridor from basically like Grei Roberts down to Didton.

476
00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:25,559
Speaker 3: So you just go out there and leave what you

477
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,359
can and hope it's there the next day to review

478
00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:32,240
any audio or anything. So you can't. I mean, trail

479
00:27:32,279 --> 00:27:34,920
cams are another area of contention because it seems like,

480
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,160
I mean, obviously they can hear and see things that

481
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:40,359
they can probably hear things that we can't hear too.

482
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,119
But you can't leave a trail cam out there, right,

483
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:43,920
I mean that.

484
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: Would you can't, But we have so my friend Blake

485
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:53,039
and I. Blake was the research for friend of mine.

486
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,319
He got he was a he was a friend of

487
00:27:55,319 --> 00:27:57,480
mine that I had met. He was looking for something.

488
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,720
He was just all about crazy documentary stuff. So I

489
00:28:01,759 --> 00:28:06,279
asked him about uh going finding big foot stuff. So

490
00:28:06,319 --> 00:28:10,960
he was down for that and uh he him and

491
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:14,000
I had an interesting one of his first or second

492
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,960
times out with me, had a first really interesting little

493
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,640
incident happened, uh because we had uh we had put

494
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,680
out the game camera and he had an off trail,

495
00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:25,240
so I guess, you know, the park rangers not going

496
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:27,799
to see it. He had a camouflage pretty well, and

497
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,319
he had uh. He took a can of tuna fish

498
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,640
or sardines, oh, sardines, and he opened it halfway and

499
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,559
then took it and put it on a like a

500
00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:41,960
small little staffing. He just put it right there. And

501
00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:45,599
I said, all right, I said, don't expect much because

502
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,160
you know it's your only first second time out with me,

503
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,319
so I mean, dude, just be patient, you know, like

504
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,039
I don't know what's going to happen. But that's a

505
00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:56,519
good idea. He had a really great idea. We come

506
00:28:56,599 --> 00:29:01,680
back I think the next weekend or or next couple

507
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,160
of days or something like that. I don't know what else.

508
00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:06,960
And so we go off. We go down the trail.

509
00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:09,759
We peel off to the left off trail where this

510
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,319
can of sardines was hanging off the tree. It's not

511
00:29:13,559 --> 00:29:17,759
it's not on that sapling anymore, and it's the whole

512
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,240
He had put his game cam about, you know, ten

513
00:29:20,319 --> 00:29:24,519
or fifteen yards from there, looking at it, and the

514
00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:28,039
one the can is off the sapling and it's on

515
00:29:28,079 --> 00:29:34,079
the ground and it's empty, and the top is peeled

516
00:29:34,079 --> 00:29:37,000
completely off. It's thrown over there, and then the thing's empty.

517
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:39,960
It is on the ground. So we're like, you know,

518
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,799
so we decide we go We've got to look at

519
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:45,480
the footage. So because he's got his laptop in the car,

520
00:29:46,039 --> 00:29:50,319
So we start walking back, and about halfway through the wood,

521
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,599
through the woods, I looked to my left because I

522
00:29:52,599 --> 00:29:56,400
can start hearing I hear something like bolting through the woods.

523
00:29:58,519 --> 00:30:02,440
And this area that we're it fluctuates over the years

524
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,880
of how dense it is. Sometimes right now it's not

525
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,240
back into this is twenty twelve, So twenty twelve it

526
00:30:10,279 --> 00:30:13,359
was really dense back there, but along the horse trail,

527
00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:17,599
super dense. I said, something's coming our way, Blake, so

528
00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:20,200
you might want to get up here with me. So

529
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,400
he's walking with me, and I looked to my left

530
00:30:23,519 --> 00:30:30,279
or about sixty yards looking over, looking past the horse trail,

531
00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:34,039
and I like looked, and right when I guess I

532
00:30:34,119 --> 00:30:37,400
made eye contact, I saw two little dark heads go

533
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,359
under beyond, you know, like they went down on all

534
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,880
fours behind the foliage, and I'm went, Blake, you might

535
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,480
want to come up here with me real quick. So

536
00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:50,799
he comes up there and so we stand on the

537
00:30:50,839 --> 00:30:55,319
trail and he's recording, and I'm trying to get with

538
00:30:55,359 --> 00:30:59,160
Blake soon about getting this recording again because of his video,

539
00:30:59,319 --> 00:31:03,799
because you can hear what's called the huffs. I don't

540
00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:07,440
know if you've heard of that. It's like this, like

541
00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:10,519
this grunt, but it's like eighty yards away, but you

542
00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:13,440
can feel it in your chest. That was the weird thing.

543
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:18,240
So we hear this like and I'm like, that's it again.

544
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,839
And the cool thing about his video he doesn't do

545
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,200
any more squatching anymore for personal reasons, but on his

546
00:31:24,359 --> 00:31:26,920
video he would when that sound went off you can

547
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,759
hear on the video, but he would put a little

548
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:32,519
subtitle down the bottom and I tell people, I'm like,

549
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:35,759
the video doesn't do it any justice. Like you when

550
00:31:35,759 --> 00:31:40,960
you're there, you feel it's this projecting grunt that you

551
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,319
feel in your chest. It was so bizarre. And then

552
00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:46,400
we were sitting, we were standing there on the trail,

553
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,160
and then you hear from one side of the horse

554
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,920
fill to another, you hear this like fast rapid running,

555
00:31:55,319 --> 00:31:59,039
and I was like, well, they just covered eighty yards

556
00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:02,680
in like three seconds. You know, they were they're haul

557
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,839
and ass and so now they're on our side of

558
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,440
the trail. So there you can hear them kind of

559
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,319
push up, but they wouldn't come close to us. They

560
00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:12,759
would they would keep folage in between us. We stayed

561
00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:15,000
out there for like twenty five minutes, just kind of recording,

562
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,880
and then we just kind of eased on out of there.

563
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,480
But we checked the footage and the footage went off,

564
00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:27,759
the cam went off, but nothing m It was weird

565
00:32:27,799 --> 00:32:32,000
that they they and and I think, if I remember correctly,

566
00:32:32,279 --> 00:32:36,039
they had already knocked the can of can of sardines

567
00:32:36,079 --> 00:32:42,359
off the sapling. So I tell people, based on some

568
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:47,279
other instances, instances that they can see the beam in

569
00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:50,319
the in the camera, they can see that ir beam

570
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,599
coming out of the camera and that's why the approach

571
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,640
from the back and mess with it, and I think

572
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,440
that's what they did here. Blake put his camera up

573
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,720
one other time, and I remember it was summer and

574
00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:06,200
we we were like, okay, so we were looking at

575
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,680
this video with air conditioning on in the car because

576
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,799
we were just blazing hot, and we didn't see there's

577
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,480
not yet another video of it going off. And I

578
00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:16,640
was like, I don't There's like three segments of the

579
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,519
video going off, but nothing is in front of it.

580
00:33:19,559 --> 00:33:23,759
Is bizarre. He gets back with me one day, he goes, hey,

581
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,759
listen to this video again with your headphones on. I said, okay,

582
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,200
because you know we weren't in the car with the

583
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,200
air conditioning. Blastom, I listened to it with the headphones on.

584
00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:40,119
There's something standing behind it, messing with the tabs on

585
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:53,960
the cam and you could hear like de breathing, something

586
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,680
with big lungs standing right behind the camera messing with it.

587
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:03,000
So I'm one of these days I'm gonna have to

588
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,200
get with Blake, and I'm I'm gonna try to get

589
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,039
some of his footage and put it in a compilation

590
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,719
and give him credit. Obviously, but he's got some cool

591
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,679
stuff that he when he was researching with me.

592
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 3: So you know, if we if we hold a can

593
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,280
of sardines, because we have these lovely things called thumbs,

594
00:34:19,559 --> 00:34:21,639
we can hold it and we can peel it back

595
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,400
without crushing the can and making a mess. And yeah,

596
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,119
was the can because just playing Devil's advocate, because people

597
00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:31,760
were gonna go, well, it could have been anything that

598
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,360
got the sardines off the sapling and got the sardines.

599
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,119
But was the can all jacked up and crushed or

600
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,000
was it as if something finished the motion and held

601
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,360
the can and peeled it off.

602
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:45,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looked like someone had popped it off the tree.

603
00:34:46,559 --> 00:34:49,400
Here there you go. And then because the can I

604
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,360
looked at Blake picked up the can. It was like,

605
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:55,719
there's no teeth marks on this. It just looks like

606
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,639
somebody just picked it up, finished peel and it took

607
00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:02,920
all this off. If you on the ground, that's cool.

608
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:04,400
It was cool.

609
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 3: That's cool because you know it's easy to separate things

610
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,239
and go well, could be this could be that, could

611
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,440
be this could be that, And yeah, it still could

612
00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:16,199
be I suppose. But when you start adding things up

613
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,920
and you don't separate them, but as a sum you

614
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,360
kind of go, well, that's all very strange.

615
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's uh, that's real similar to the incident

616
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,920
than that I called them up in the at Broken

617
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,639
Bow Lake. One of the incidents that happened to us

618
00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:37,639
there in twenty eleven. Well, I call the nutter butters incident. Uh,

619
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,000
we had a I didn't Oh yeah, we had a

620
00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:42,159
We were all parked out there. This is the place.

621
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,400
This is the same camp area that David Holly had

622
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,199
his nineteen seventy one encounter that sent me a video

623
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,519
of And me and JD were in our in his

624
00:35:51,639 --> 00:35:55,679
truck at night. We were sleeping. We're kicked back, yeah,

625
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,480
and we had the ATV in front of his truck

626
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:02,360
and we were canked out sleeping at night. And I

627
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,800
was excited because we had a we had a thing

628
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,360
of nuttherer butters, which were like my favorite cookies to eat.

629
00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:15,119
And uh, we woke up that morning and the the

630
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:19,760
the somebody had opened up the compartment on the back

631
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,119
of the ATV and the noter butters gone. And we

632
00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:26,920
thought there's our maybe our comic relief member, Perry, the

633
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,760
late Perry Murray, And I said Perry, did you did

634
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,960
you eat all the Nuther butters because that was it

635
00:36:32,119 --> 00:36:34,880
may have been something he usually would do. And he said, no,

636
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,559
I didn't know we had another all right, And I

637
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:40,639
was I was kind I put it like, I was like, well,

638
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,960
all right, and I was kind of like, well, I'm

639
00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:45,760
kind of just disomayed because I literally went looking forward

640
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,760
to those Notther butters around camp. So John j. D.

641
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,519
John Holly or John David Holly, which is David David

642
00:36:54,559 --> 00:36:57,519
Holly's son, he kind of starts looking around. He noticed

643
00:36:57,559 --> 00:37:00,119
that there's another butter, part of the Noter Butters wrapper

644
00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:04,599
your camp so, and then he saw a big imprint

645
00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:07,760
in the pine needles because that's all pine trees out there, right,

646
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,639
So he starts falling. He founds another piece of wrapper

647
00:37:11,679 --> 00:37:13,559
and another piece, so he starts falling it out. He

648
00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:17,400
starts looking around the perimeter, like sixty yards around camp area.

649
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,840
He finds the package of Notre Voters. It's empty, it's

650
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:27,639
been peeled, you know, it opened up, and there's a

651
00:37:27,679 --> 00:37:32,800
big imprint, a butt imprint of two cheeks in the

652
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,559
pine needles where that dude just set his big hairy

653
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:38,159
ass down and finished off those notre butters and just

654
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,079
talks to them. The thing on the ground, that's our

655
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:42,039
noteboter's incident.

656
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:50,199
Speaker 3: So what a litterbug? So did you guys stay because

657
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,760
obviously since David already had an incident and a siting there,

658
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,360
that's why you went back to that same spot. Was

659
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,760
that a place that you guys kept going?

660
00:38:01,559 --> 00:38:07,199
Speaker 1: Yes, we went starting in twenty ten to about twenty

661
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,079
twenty three. Was the last time we were out there.

662
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,519
In two thousand and nine we were on one of

663
00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:18,719
our pat May's expeditions and and David said, you know,

664
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,599
we all gathered around because we're we're about to we're

665
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:24,280
about to go somewhere where it's going to separate men

666
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:29,519
from the boys. And that's to Holly Creek, which is

667
00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:32,840
on the way remote north area of Broken Bow Lake.

668
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,480
It's a very remote campground. And he said this is

669
00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:38,119
I said, isn't that the place where we had the

670
00:38:38,199 --> 00:38:40,639
seventy one encounter? He said, yep. And I said, isn't

671
00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:43,920
that the place we had the two thousand encounter where

672
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:46,519
something was coming up to the tent? And I said,

673
00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:50,239
he goes yep. And as nervous as I was about it,

674
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,400
it was it was going to be a certain adventure

675
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,039
and it led to some of the that's what led

676
00:38:56,039 --> 00:38:59,079
to the twenty twelve encounter that we had that I

677
00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:01,559
that I was witness too.

678
00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 3: So yeah, and just to be clear, the last couple

679
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:10,760
of mentions were, this is Oklahoma we're talking about now, right, Yeah, well, yeah,

680
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,920
if you want to whatever one you want to go

681
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,559
with first, if you wanted to continue with the Holly

682
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:18,079
Creek stuff since we're on that, and then go back

683
00:39:18,119 --> 00:39:19,039
to your.

684
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: Sighting, Oh yeah, well's let me do my sighting real

685
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,719
quick first, because that was in two thousand and five,

686
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,920
after my first expedition with David and his group. You know,

687
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,159
I had saw some some cool stuff, heard some cool stuff,

688
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,599
heard some great stories, stole a little bit on the

689
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:38,159
fence with it. But because of what was going on

690
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,519
at Waker Roberts, I was like, you know, I got

691
00:39:40,519 --> 00:39:42,440
some good advice from him, what not to do, what

692
00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:47,639
to do, blah blah blah, you know. And so about

693
00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:52,480
November of two thousand and five, I had gone to

694
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:55,280
Dallas to go because we were I was living. I

695
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,360
had just come, you know, I moved back home from college,

696
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,519
back to my parents' house. Had we had about eleven

697
00:40:01,559 --> 00:40:04,519
acres with heavily wooded area in the back, and so

698
00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:08,000
did my neighbors, which there's wrapped around mine. And it

699
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:10,800
was a very one places. They had a very long driveway,

700
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,320
you know, a quarter mile, and they had the railroad

701
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,719
tracks going next to my house along my driveway with

702
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,920
some woods in between. So it was you know, it

703
00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:24,800
was not it was next to the highway, but it

704
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,199
was it was remote. And you once you get off

705
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,280
all the way back down to eleven acres of land,

706
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,239
it's you know, it's anything you could see it. You know,

707
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,480
pretty much you've run into anything back there. And so

708
00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:42,079
we had horses. We had a pasture and a fence line,

709
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,880
you know, and connecting to the neighbors and stuff. I

710
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:51,840
remember pulling in h one night and I noticed through

711
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:56,199
the first, first or second gate of a horse corral

712
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:01,280
was these branches and I remember seeing red eye shine

713
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,960
about eight feet up and I made the joke, oh

714
00:41:05,039 --> 00:41:10,760
with big food. Yeah, and but I just whatever, you know,

715
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:17,920
I pulled in, walked inside. The next morning, I decided

716
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,719
to grab my camera and I was just out. You know,

717
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:23,519
this is back in two thousand and five. So the

718
00:41:23,559 --> 00:41:25,320
camera that I have is the hat at the time

719
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,280
was like, you know, five megapixel camera. It was, you know,

720
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:35,039
a little cannon rebel. And so I I decided to

721
00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:37,440
go back to my woods do some do some photography

722
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,679
back there, because it was, you know, there's no trails,

723
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,760
it's very very wilderness looking, you know, lots of big

724
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,960
oak trees and vegetation or whatever. It was fun and

725
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,400
uh I started. I picked up. I was like, because

726
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,679
you know what I was already experiencing at the lake

727
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,039
Ray Roberts, I was like, oh, this is little the

728
00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:55,880
bigfoots do. And I picked a tree, I picked a

729
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,039
branch up. I was like, you know, and then and

730
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:05,440
all of a sudden I heard across the on the

731
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:09,679
on the Nixon's property next to ours, which theirs is.

732
00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:13,119
They own a crap tunnel of of of land that's

733
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,199
wraps kind of does it l shape and wraps around ours,

734
00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:19,400
but they have heavily wooded area back there too. And

735
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,760
I stopped and I was like, okay, I did it

736
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,360
one more time, and all of a sudden, three other

737
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,679
knocks back at me. I said, okay, maybe I'm maybe

738
00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:33,519
I'm getting way too far into this big foot thing,

739
00:42:34,119 --> 00:42:36,360
you know, So I kind of go to the middle

740
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,679
of my woods. It's it's about a football field size

741
00:42:40,199 --> 00:42:43,079
of of wood with me a little bit smaller, and

742
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:48,800
it gets really really sketchy, like thick with cedar tree.

743
00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:51,320
You know cedar trees that go way on down to

744
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,639
the ground where you can't you can't. It's not those

745
00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:56,719
big tall ceedar trees. It's like those Texas cedar trees.

746
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:57,960
When I go all the way to the to the

747
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,800
ground and I'm back there, I'm listening, I heard something,

748
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:07,599
ah uh, like go over the you heard the you

749
00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:11,679
heard the bob wire fence being moved, And then I

750
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:16,119
heard like whims snapping, like something's like shifting its weight

751
00:43:16,199 --> 00:43:19,400
back there behind the tree. And I was like, yeah,

752
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,400
I'm not going back there. I'm gonna keep my distance.

753
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,480
I just kind of like backed up back down there,

754
00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:28,280
just kind of got walked back to the house. Didn't

755
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:36,320
think anything of it. So later on that night, and

756
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,480
this is when I was at the time. I'm divorced now,

757
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,119
but when I had first met my wife, we were

758
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,440
dating and I was talking. This is back in the

759
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,480
AOL days where you'd have AOL chat, you know, I

760
00:43:47,519 --> 00:43:51,719
was talking to her or whatever, and me and her

761
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,360
are talking and and uh, I could hear because my

762
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,760
my room was right there by our porch and by

763
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,360
our front area. So we have of our neighbors property

764
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,159
come from. You know, it's a good four hundred meters

765
00:44:05,159 --> 00:44:06,960
to the road, but some of their property comes up

766
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,760
to ours. So we have a front area that's that's

767
00:44:10,119 --> 00:44:14,559
fenced in and that's where their property starts. So I

768
00:44:14,639 --> 00:44:18,639
kept hearing shush, shush, you know, the leaves in the

769
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,280
front lawn. Like it sounded like somebody just walking through

770
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,480
my front lawn. When you live out in the country,

771
00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:26,760
you you hear that stuff and you're like, wait, whoa, whoa.

772
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,639
You know, it's not like a suburbia where you know

773
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,719
somebody's just walking around. It's when you start hearing that

774
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,639
kind of sound you want to just pop up, you know,

775
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,320
the the blinds open, what's going on? Because because I

776
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,639
would hear, we had a one of those cement porches,

777
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,639
you know, the beams and stuff, and I would I

778
00:44:44,639 --> 00:44:48,920
would feel like the somebody's walking like the the you know,

779
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:54,719
on our front porch, and that was scary. So I

780
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,079
I was telling her about, well was what was happening.

781
00:44:57,159 --> 00:44:59,039
She thought it was interesting, and I was like well, okay,

782
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,639
so I I didn't go outside at first, but I

783
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,039
we did have these floodlights, you know, the flub lights

784
00:45:06,039 --> 00:45:08,719
you put on the corners of your house. And I

785
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,280
decided to put my ear to the door and just

786
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,159
like do the flood lights on, kind of like an alarm,

787
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:23,079
just like and I and I heard. The best way

788
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:26,960
I can describe it is like gard through bark. And

789
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:33,719
I was like, that's kind of weird. So I said, okay, uh,

790
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,159
I'll just turn them back off for a second, go

791
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:38,639
back to my room. I was on my on my

792
00:45:38,679 --> 00:45:40,840
computer again, and then my computer desk was like right

793
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:45,280
buried by the window, so uh uh there was a

794
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,119
down below underneath the window. There was a four inch

795
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,760
like a four inch gap and my uh you know,

796
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,039
my my screen was shut, but one of the windows

797
00:45:54,119 --> 00:45:56,320
is open. So I put my ear to the wall

798
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,719
so I can hear some more of this going on,

799
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,960
you know, whatever it was. Walk around the front yard

800
00:46:01,519 --> 00:46:04,400
and I look at that four inch gap out into

801
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,599
that darkness, and there's two red eyes looking at me

802
00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:15,840
going like this like an like an agitated chimp. And

803
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:21,199
I'm going, okay, I get back up. I close the

804
00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:25,760
blinds back down, and I said, well, that's creepy. So

805
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:28,480
obviously at that point I knew I wasn't one. There's

806
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,320
something out there. And I remember getting my mom out

807
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,000
there with me on the front porch we turned off.

808
00:46:33,039 --> 00:46:34,719
We didn't have a porch light that was one that

809
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,079
was out at the time, but we had those and

810
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:40,199
then we were standing out there and I was like, oh,

811
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,679
you hear anything whatever, and she I don't hear anything,

812
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:49,079
all right. So we go back inside and I started

813
00:46:49,079 --> 00:46:51,840
getting creeped out. So I said, Mama might go down

814
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,280
to Anna's place in Carrollton, just spend night there because

815
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,960
something's bugging with me out here. You know, sounded all

816
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,559
weird to her, but you know, she knew where I

817
00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:01,480
was into. But whatever. So I was getting my shoes on,

818
00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:05,239
I was kind of keeping an eye out that that

819
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,760
that space between between the blinds and the window sill,

820
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:13,039
and you could see my neighbors little pole on their

821
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:16,119
lights or whatever walk through the yard would cause a silhouette,

822
00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:18,599
I guess the best way to describe it. And as

823
00:47:18,639 --> 00:47:21,679
I'm putting on my shoes, I'm looking there's an eight

824
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:26,719
foot tall figure with broad shoulders, little small head, and

825
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:32,239
it walks through. You see it walking through my front lawn,

826
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,679
of my front lawn, and then here's another one coming

827
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:39,039
right with it. And I'm guessing eight foot or so

828
00:47:39,159 --> 00:47:43,840
because their shoulder hit the oak the oak tree branch,

829
00:47:44,119 --> 00:47:48,320
and I saw a branch moves like this, So I

830
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,719
don't know how you know, I would, I didn't put

831
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,559
a guess on how they goes. That was enough for me,

832
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,679
and I said, Mom, I'm going down to Carleton. So

833
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,360
we come out in the front. I said, when I

834
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,480
I want you to come with me because my dad

835
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:02,559
was out at the time. My mom did transcription work

836
00:48:02,639 --> 00:48:05,239
late at night. So I said, I'm gonna open up

837
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:06,760
the front door, and you're gonna come out here with me,

838
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,679
because whatever I see, I want you to see. You know,

839
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:13,000
we go out there, weip, you know, we flipped on

840
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,679
the flud lights. We go out there. Once we did,

841
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:17,960
we're standing both of us are standing on this porch

842
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,840
and you could hear somebody with a baseball bat down

843
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:26,239
by the pond going. I said, do you hear that?

844
00:48:26,519 --> 00:48:27,840
And my mom, you know, of course she was a

845
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,079
little older than she's older now, but she, you know,

846
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:33,360
she's like, I think I heard something, But there's this

847
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,840
big oak tree right by our porch, and you heard

848
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:42,760
something scap up the tree and I look over and

849
00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:46,599
the limb that goes over our gutter goes cupunkka punk,

850
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:52,599
and then you hear the over the house. So whatever

851
00:48:52,639 --> 00:48:55,320
it was climbed the tree real quick and went over

852
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:59,000
the house on top of the roof, because you could

853
00:48:59,039 --> 00:49:04,039
hear the thuds of the feet. And I'm went, okay,

854
00:49:04,199 --> 00:49:06,480
I'm gonna go back inside. I said, open up the

855
00:49:06,519 --> 00:49:08,199
back garage. I'm going to get to my car that

856
00:49:08,199 --> 00:49:10,360
way because I'm not going around this house with it

857
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,559
being dark. And I said, if you and Dad hear something,

858
00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:17,360
just call the sheriff. Because Dad's real good friend, he's

859
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,000
a business owner, he's real good friends with him. So

860
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,679
I said, if y'all hear anything, locked the door, just

861
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,079
if you hear something, to call the police. Because I

862
00:49:24,119 --> 00:49:25,679
know I wasn't gonn getting back to sleep that night.

863
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,119
So I went down to Carlton. I spent the night there.

864
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,079
I came back the next day. I decided to get

865
00:49:35,079 --> 00:49:39,039
my crappy little camera and pair of binoculars, and I

866
00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:41,800
walked out into our pasture. I looked, that was when

867
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,039
we had a bad, bad drought. I think there was

868
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,599
lake levels. It super low. I looked out for footprints,

869
00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:48,840
didn't see anything but ground as hard as a rock.

870
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,880
I couldn't find anything in our yard. So I decided

871
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,800
to go walk the pasture, which is that kind of

872
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,559
a few there down by where I heard the knocking

873
00:49:57,639 --> 00:50:03,920
come from. And I get to about, you know, kind

874
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,400
of overlooking the fence line where the neighbors are, and

875
00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:10,599
they had some a couple of donkeys and some cows.

876
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,119
And I noticed that when I was talking to them

877
00:50:14,199 --> 00:50:16,440
with the fence line, they all got up and left

878
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,320
single file. And I'm like, they've never done that before.

879
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,320
They just kind of like, we're out of here. They

880
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,440
started making their way back toward their barn, which was

881
00:50:25,519 --> 00:50:28,920
about eight hundred yards away, and I'm like, okay, And

882
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:33,360
then I looked and I look about three hundred four

883
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:38,920
hundred meters yards maybe two three football fields maybe about

884
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,800
four football fields away down by their pond, and there's

885
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,360
a tree lightly, there's a tree line, but it's kind

886
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,440
of lots of bush and foliage and stuff. It's kind

887
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,000
of open ground. It's but I know something bright down there.

888
00:50:53,039 --> 00:50:55,880
It looked like a big, bright auburn cow. All by itself.

889
00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:00,559
So I pull out my binoculars and I'll look. And

890
00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:03,320
the first thing that I see is the biggest orangutang

891
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,400
that I've ever seen in my life. He was, you know,

892
00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:10,119
ring tangs are big, bright auburn colored, and it was

893
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,280
it was by these small little seeds, and it kept

894
00:51:14,599 --> 00:51:19,800
doing this from the sea, and then it would look around.

895
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,960
You know, It's cool because when it look you can

896
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:26,079
kind of see it's ape shaped face. You know, a

897
00:51:26,119 --> 00:51:27,639
lot of people are like, oh, look look at human.

898
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,360
I'm like, no, this dude didn't look like a human.

899
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,760
This guy looked like, you know, like a rangutan, and

900
00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:36,360
but bigger, like four feet wide shoulder and just big,

901
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,639
you know, and it would it would rock back and

902
00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:42,239
forth like this a little bit, and uh, finally it

903
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,119
looked to its its left and then looked back at

904
00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:48,400
me and then just it was like somebody on a

905
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:50,880
the way best way I can describe it, it is like

906
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:55,599
somebody on a lever pushed the lever and then he

907
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,320
just rose up, you know, like and he just kept

908
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,880
going and going. This thing to be about nine feet

909
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:05,079
tall because he he about hit the branch, you know,

910
00:52:05,199 --> 00:52:07,079
his head came up to where the branches are on

911
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:09,920
the oak trees, and he just looked at me, and

912
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,159
then it when it when it walked we started, it

913
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,719
kept its head at me like this, and you could

914
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,599
see its arms like this. It was a bright sunny day,

915
00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:22,960
so you could see like the like the muscles, you know,

916
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,760
because I was using binoculars watching this, so you can

917
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,639
see the muscle structure moving, you know, like you know,

918
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,079
just like when you see horses, you know, when they're

919
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,199
it's like those muscle those muscle structured glistening in the sun.

920
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,440
You could see that it was super fluid and just

921
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:44,119
just big and majestic. And I'm watching this. A lot

922
00:52:44,159 --> 00:52:47,079
of people were like, why didn't you take pictures? And

923
00:52:47,199 --> 00:52:49,400
the camera equipment that I had just wasn't good enough

924
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:55,320
for four hundred meters. I had a like seventeen the

925
00:52:55,480 --> 00:53:01,880
fifty five milimeter lens and basically at that time it

926
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,400
would have been just an auburn spec And I thought,

927
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,880
you know, but I to this day, I really wish

928
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,920
I just went ahead to take pictures just for myself

929
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,760
and then I could show whoever whatever. But at the time,

930
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,400
I was like, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna take

931
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,679
these pictures and then they're going to see the little

932
00:53:18,679 --> 00:53:21,599
Auburn spec and go, yeah, well you're crazy, you know,

933
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,239
just because it's not it's not the right equipment for

934
00:53:25,559 --> 00:53:28,119
the job that was at hand, which is why I

935
00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:34,800
invested in a big long tell FOOTO wins now is that, Yeah, yeah,

936
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:36,119
those are pricey.

937
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,199
Speaker 3: People don't understand. They're like, why why don't you have

938
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,519
a better camera. It's not the camera, it's the lens,

939
00:53:41,639 --> 00:53:44,599
and the lenses cost almost always more than the damn

940
00:53:44,639 --> 00:53:47,679
camera costs if you're talking about a decent lens exactly.

941
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 1: So if I if I had opted for a three

942
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,159
hundred milimere like like it was like one hundred and

943
00:53:52,199 --> 00:53:54,880
seventy five three hundred milimere lens, that it would have

944
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,119
gotten me the good pictures of that even but I

945
00:53:57,119 --> 00:54:00,239
didn't have that at a time. So I I I'd

946
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,559
like to do a lot of consulting with bigfoot researchers

947
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:05,079
that don't have this stuff and recommend stuff like if

948
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:07,920
you get this and this, like when that, when that

949
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,559
scenario comes up, you will be ready. So that's why

950
00:54:11,559 --> 00:54:15,960
I always have a long lens with me. So it

951
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,639
got up as I was watching it through the pinoctors.

952
00:54:19,639 --> 00:54:22,880
It got up and walked a few yards and then

953
00:54:23,039 --> 00:54:26,920
sat back down or lowered itself back down, and there

954
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,480
was another one that came up behind it. Now I

955
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,239
don't know if it was I don't know it was.

956
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,960
It's uh, but it looked a little bit larger or

957
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,400
maybe this I don't know, but it would it would be.

958
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,440
And then they would look up like they would look

959
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,079
at each other. They look in my direction, and then

960
00:54:43,079 --> 00:54:45,840
they would look at each other and they like in

961
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,039
the one the one behind would lower down like you

962
00:54:48,079 --> 00:54:49,920
were trying to say mumble something to each other, and

963
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,519
they look back by way like they couldn't tell what

964
00:54:52,599 --> 00:54:55,639
I was doing, because there's like four hundred yards between us,

965
00:54:57,159 --> 00:54:59,440
and so I'm just watching, going, oh my, you know,

966
00:54:59,519 --> 00:55:05,000
holy you know, and uh. And they would touch noses

967
00:55:05,079 --> 00:55:06,800
and they would look back at me, and then one

968
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:11,519
of the one behind would be like this, like it

969
00:55:11,639 --> 00:55:16,360
was super agitated. And I was like, okay, all right,

970
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,800
well maybe maybe I just told my mom because he

971
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,159
was waning to know what I saw last night. So

972
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:27,159
I was walking back across the pasture and I noticed

973
00:55:27,199 --> 00:55:30,239
something big moving through our woods. But this was an

974
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:34,239
auburn colored This was charcoal colored. So I laid down

975
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,559
the ground. I pulled out my my binoculars because it

976
00:55:37,639 --> 00:55:41,719
was about two hundred and fifty yards away, and because

977
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,360
we had like that big five eight, you know, it

978
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,920
was a good several acres that we have, you know,

979
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,119
eleven acres, and most of it was behind our house.

980
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,320
So I laid down the middle of the pasture and

981
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,840
I pulled the binoculars on look, and it's like a big,

982
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:59,400
huge chimpanzee and he was kind of blended in. He

983
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,880
was about ten or fifteen yards into the woods, but

984
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,559
he he was he hunkered down next to a little

985
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:08,000
cedar tree and was like leanning out like this, and

986
00:56:08,039 --> 00:56:10,960
you could see him here. He'll look, he was looking

987
00:56:11,039 --> 00:56:13,920
in the direction that he wanted to go to the

988
00:56:14,199 --> 00:56:16,960
where the other ones were, which is what I'm guessing.

989
00:56:17,039 --> 00:56:21,519
But he was like he was charcoal gray. He was

990
00:56:21,559 --> 00:56:24,719
moving in all fours and he spotted me, and I

991
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:29,239
spotted him, and he just hunkered down and he was

992
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,320
kind of weird. Through the monoclears, you could see his

993
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,039
chest breathing like this, his chest breathing up and like

994
00:56:35,079 --> 00:56:37,480
you could see it in and out, and it was nuts.

995
00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:41,360
But his since he was looking at me. The sun

996
00:56:41,559 --> 00:56:44,559
was hitting his eyes and making his eyes shine, so

997
00:56:44,679 --> 00:56:47,280
you could see his red eye shine in the daytime,

998
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,679
which is one of those little weird details that I

999
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:54,000
remember about that and that. After that, I was like,

1000
00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:56,960
I'm probably going these guys alone. I'll just go back

1001
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,519
and tell one of my parents about what I saw.

1002
00:56:58,599 --> 00:57:00,519
Of course, my mom is a big animal, but she's like,

1003
00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:03,000
if you said wherever you saw her, just leave him alone.

1004
00:57:03,519 --> 00:57:06,000
I was like, I wasn't going to go back there

1005
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:11,559
and bother him. But my dad had he needed me

1006
00:57:11,639 --> 00:57:13,760
for some job with some piping in the house. So

1007
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,440
I heard him call and I said, all right, well,

1008
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:19,000
I guess there'll be another time we'll mess with you guys.

1009
00:57:20,639 --> 00:57:22,239
So I went back to the house and helped him

1010
00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:24,559
and just kind of kept my mouth shut about it.

1011
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,880
But yeah, it was, Uh, it was wild seeing these

1012
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,519
things because like there's no there's no movie magic that

1013
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:33,920
can imitate these things.

1014
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 3: So you saw one doing what is termed the spider crawl.

1015
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,960
Do you think that that looked just as natural on

1016
00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:45,679
all fours that they do on on on two legs.

1017
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't know if he was. So I

1018
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,679
have a friend who says the spider crawl things going

1019
00:57:50,719 --> 00:57:52,599
on their belly, And he said, it's the freakiest thing

1020
00:57:52,599 --> 00:57:55,719
because they like he's seen that before already. Know, he

1021
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,639
had a friend that was researching with him and who

1022
00:57:57,679 --> 00:58:00,519
saw that. This was all it was like like a

1023
00:58:00,679 --> 00:58:03,000
like a knuckle like a knuckle walk. This was more

1024
00:58:03,039 --> 00:58:06,440
of a knuckle walk because if I if I would

1025
00:58:06,519 --> 00:58:14,239
guesstimate how high his shoulder was, I'm I'm short. I'm

1026
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,320
a short dude, I'm five to two, so I'm guessing

1027
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,599
his shoulder would have almost been up to hear me.

1028
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:26,840
So if that thing stood up, that would be a

1029
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,960
big mofo. And it was so weird just to he

1030
00:58:31,079 --> 00:58:33,480
was just looking his like mouth was like halfway open.

1031
00:58:33,519 --> 00:58:37,519
He's like he is he him breathing. It's just like,

1032
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,400
come on back here, dude, yeah, Dari, come back here. Y.

1033
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 3: So then that would be like a like a gorilla

1034
00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:44,639
walking on.

1035
00:58:44,639 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: The knuckle walk, a low knuckle walk. I remember I

1036
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,679
was coming this way and he was coming this way.

1037
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:56,079
We saw each other and uh, yeah, it was bizarre.

1038
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,559
Speaker 3: And they touched noses. You actually saw them touch noses.

1039
00:59:01,559 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: Yep.

1040
00:59:03,679 --> 00:59:06,719
Speaker 3: It was like, what do you think that's about.

1041
00:59:06,719 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. They were touching noses, and I was like,

1042
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:13,519
and they would come back, you know, they look their

1043
00:59:13,559 --> 00:59:16,239
faces were tuckle, I guess, but I could see, you know,

1044
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,239
you couldn't see too much detail, but you can see

1045
00:59:18,239 --> 00:59:21,679
their mouths moving so like they would touch noses, and

1046
00:59:21,719 --> 00:59:27,079
then i'd see them like, you know, like them talking

1047
00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:31,000
that they're saying, they're saying something to each other. Like

1048
00:59:31,079 --> 00:59:34,119
it looked like two people talking having conversation and then

1049
00:59:34,159 --> 00:59:35,639
looking back my direction.

1050
00:59:36,719 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 3: You know, maybe that's some sort of an affirmation thing

1051
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,159
for them, or or comfort or a confirmation of what

1052
00:59:43,239 --> 00:59:44,559
they're talking about.

1053
00:59:45,719 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: I think they they thought, what is that little hairless

1054
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,960
little human up there, four hundred meters from us? Is

1055
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,519
what is he doing? Because he's just standing there looking

1056
00:59:57,519 --> 00:59:59,159
in our direction, we can't tell what he's doing.

1057
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,119
Speaker 3: Well, they were definitely wondering what the hell you were doing?

1058
01:00:02,159 --> 01:00:05,519
That's for dang sure, but touching those the thing is

1059
01:00:05,639 --> 01:00:07,079
very that is very unique.

1060
01:00:07,079 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, it was bizarre. It was really bizarre

1061
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,440
because they would they would touch they kind of would

1062
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:13,800
touch them. I don't know if they're I don't know

1063
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,039
if that was the reason why, but they look like they,

1064
01:00:16,159 --> 01:00:19,079
you know from where I was seeing through binoculars, and

1065
01:00:19,119 --> 01:00:21,599
they would touch real close to each other and then

1066
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,719
look around. They would just like they're just something. Yeah,

1067
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,280
it was bizarre. It was cool. It was like watching

1068
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,159
the National Geographic you know too. If I had if

1069
01:00:31,199 --> 01:00:33,360
I had my six hundred millimerr lens that I do

1070
01:00:33,519 --> 01:00:35,639
that I do now, it would be some amazing footage.

1071
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,599
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, okay, So what about the neighbors then, I mean,

1072
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:45,119
I know that not everybody talks, and not everybody wants

1073
01:00:45,159 --> 01:00:47,880
to bring such things up because then you get the look.

1074
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:52,559
But did any anybody talk amongst themselves about weird stuff

1075
01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:53,079
going down?

1076
01:00:54,039 --> 01:00:56,719
Speaker 1: You know, we never really talked to them that much, really,

1077
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,360
and they never really talked to us. You know, we

1078
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,840
just know that live about half mile or like a

1079
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:06,159
quarter mile quarter down the road from us. But I

1080
01:01:06,159 --> 01:01:09,119
did see one. I was out my pasture before before

1081
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:13,639
my dad passed away we sold the place. I did

1082
01:01:13,719 --> 01:01:23,119
see mister Nixon blaze through his property next to ours

1083
01:01:23,199 --> 01:01:26,119
in his truck, and I thought it was kind of

1084
01:01:26,119 --> 01:01:28,920
weird because I never seen him do in the years

1085
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,800
and years decades that we lived there, I had never

1086
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:35,039
seen him do that, you know, he was. He was

1087
01:01:35,079 --> 01:01:38,280
moving through his pasture at a rapid speed with his truck.

1088
01:01:38,639 --> 01:01:40,800
And I don't know why the purpose of it was.

1089
01:01:42,039 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 3: So you guys had horses and then they had donkeys

1090
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,960
and cows. You said, did any of anybody's animals ever

1091
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,440
get messed with or hurt or anything?

1092
01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: No, nothing I know of, And I don't know about

1093
01:01:55,039 --> 01:01:57,360
I can't speak for him, but I know that I was.

1094
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:01,119
I was worried about our horses. They don't seem to

1095
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,440
They didn't seem to mess with him. I was worried

1096
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,559
about our great Dane that my mom moved that out

1097
01:02:06,599 --> 01:02:09,880
into the back, the back fenced in backyard area, because

1098
01:02:10,239 --> 01:02:13,000
he's about the size of the deer, and maybe that's

1099
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,599
why they kept away from the house prior to that.

1100
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:23,880
The weird thing that happened in the months that followed

1101
01:02:24,119 --> 01:02:27,840
into two thousand and six was when wonderful horses passed away,

1102
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:32,000
and I think the Great Dane, our great Dane passed away.

1103
01:02:32,039 --> 01:02:35,400
We buried them both in the back pasture. I walked

1104
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,840
the fence line one time toward the woods and I

1105
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,760
came across the area where our ivan, the Great Dane

1106
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:46,880
was buried at There was a stick in the ground

1107
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:52,920
and some of the soil moved away, like something came

1108
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:56,480
there and tried to dig into his grave. The stick

1109
01:02:56,559 --> 01:02:59,639
was laying there on the ground like halfway into the dirt,

1110
01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:03,440
and I knew who it was. I think it was

1111
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,199
those creatures, and it kind of kissed me off because

1112
01:03:06,199 --> 01:03:07,519
I was like, you need to leave this duew alone

1113
01:03:07,519 --> 01:03:12,039
because he's he's our family member. We did at the

1114
01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:16,440
time have also have my older half brother who was

1115
01:03:16,519 --> 01:03:18,960
he was he was he was ro back into drinking.

1116
01:03:19,199 --> 01:03:22,039
He'd every now and then during our lives he would

1117
01:03:22,039 --> 01:03:24,480
have to stay with us to save back up to

1118
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:26,400
get his life back on track. He was living and

1119
01:03:27,199 --> 01:03:29,679
he had his own more room and he had built

1120
01:03:29,719 --> 01:03:31,960
in our barn with a bad and everything bad air

1121
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,519
conditioning and stuff. So he had himself a new job

1122
01:03:34,599 --> 01:03:36,679
and he was he was living and he said he

1123
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:40,920
never heard anything. But he had a friend named Eric

1124
01:03:41,239 --> 01:03:47,360
that parked his truck by the corral and he visited

1125
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:51,360
with with my older half brother Billy. And one night

1126
01:03:51,639 --> 01:03:56,360
he was walking back across the pasture Corraalley area to

1127
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,880
his truck and he says something was following him and

1128
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:04,800
when he stopped, it stopped and he you know, he's

1129
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,719
just you regular, you know, running the mill Texan cowboy.

1130
01:04:08,199 --> 01:04:11,679
He okay, that's weird. And then he started walking again,

1131
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:13,960
and then it started. He started hearing those slow steps.

1132
01:04:14,599 --> 01:04:16,280
He was on the other side of the fence line

1133
01:04:16,599 --> 01:04:20,519
by the railroad tracks with the trees and everything. If

1134
01:04:20,519 --> 01:04:23,039
you stand there at night, you can't see what's on

1135
01:04:23,079 --> 01:04:26,159
the other side of that fence line. And so he

1136
01:04:26,199 --> 01:04:30,239
got back in his truck and started it up and left.

1137
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,039
But he did mention it to us. He said something

1138
01:04:33,199 --> 01:04:36,239
was following me. He didn't know about what happened to me,

1139
01:04:37,239 --> 01:04:40,599
but Billy put two and two together and he said

1140
01:04:40,679 --> 01:04:44,000
something something followed my friend Eric on the other side

1141
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:50,360
of the fence line, real slow and methodically. So, yeah, neighbors,

1142
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,199
I don't know. Neighbors haven't said anything, you know, I

1143
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,039
kind of w I kind of wanted to kind of

1144
01:04:55,079 --> 01:04:56,760
asking him, like, have you all under seen anything kind

1145
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:57,599
of weird in your property?

1146
01:04:58,559 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 3: But well, especially you seeing these varying coat or for

1147
01:05:05,079 --> 01:05:07,920
whatever you want to call it, hair colors is really

1148
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:11,599
cool too, the charcoal and the auburn kind of reddish ones.

1149
01:05:12,639 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: One of the things I got from this was like,

1150
01:05:14,639 --> 01:05:16,840
you know, birds of a feather don't always flock together,

1151
01:05:17,519 --> 01:05:21,679
and and it was like there's two auburn and one

1152
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:25,079
charcoal and a lot of people back in the day

1153
01:05:25,079 --> 01:05:26,280
when I used to tell the story, you're like, well,

1154
01:05:26,519 --> 01:05:28,480
how many of these things did you see that day?

1155
01:05:28,519 --> 01:05:30,360
You're like, well, three, But there could have been more,

1156
01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:33,599
you know, because there were some knocks coming from the

1157
01:05:33,639 --> 01:05:38,280
woods when I saw that third one, so it could

1158
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:42,280
have been like a fourth one. I'm gonna guess it

1159
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,559
was about like a little family unit of them. They're

1160
01:05:44,599 --> 01:05:48,239
all together, and I think me going back into that

1161
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:51,880
woods that morning is what threw a monkey wrench pardon

1162
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:56,920
the pun, but through a monkey wrench into their little

1163
01:05:57,199 --> 01:06:02,920
daily checking us out. Because I upon months after, I

1164
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,400
would I was walking the fence line, you know, I would.

1165
01:06:05,519 --> 01:06:07,320
I would stay out there all the time. I found

1166
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:09,960
one little spot by the fence line and I would

1167
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,559
watch that same spot that I had the encounter, and

1168
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,000
still nothing would happen. You know, for three to four months.

1169
01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:19,719
I was like, you know, but I would walk and

1170
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:25,360
I'd noticed something the area where I had gotten the spot,

1171
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:28,519
close to where I had seen the ones across the

1172
01:06:28,519 --> 01:06:32,800
fence line, there was a there was an entire tree,

1173
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:37,159
a cedar tree broken down, and then a bunch of

1174
01:06:37,159 --> 01:06:40,000
the dead fall all placed in there. If you got

1175
01:06:40,039 --> 01:06:42,960
behind it, you would see the back of our house

1176
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:47,280
to the window where my mom would do her transcription

1177
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:51,239
work late at night. That was like her office. And

1178
01:06:51,239 --> 01:06:54,559
if you keep going down the fence line, you would

1179
01:06:54,639 --> 01:06:59,519
see uh another one and by or pond and then

1180
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:05,559
the uh the the hedge apple trees there bent like this,

1181
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:10,519
cracked and twisted and bent down to where it touched

1182
01:07:10,719 --> 01:07:14,159
where the bank of the pond was. If you got

1183
01:07:14,199 --> 01:07:16,639
behind those, you could see the spot of the porch

1184
01:07:16,639 --> 01:07:18,320
from my dad would go smoke cigarettes at night.

1185
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 3: See and I wonder the people that live in the area.

1186
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:26,280
So just assume there's a bigfoot group, family, whatever clan,

1187
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:28,320
however you want to label it, in the area. It

1188
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:32,960
makes me wonder the people that decide to leave their

1189
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,800
blinds open at night, or their curtain or they don't

1190
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:40,199
have any. If they have these bigfoot come in and

1191
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:43,199
watch them more. Because they're on display with lights on

1192
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:47,679
at night, nothing covering the windows, they probably have more activity.

1193
01:07:47,719 --> 01:07:52,039
Did you guys, have you know anything covering windows at nighttime?

1194
01:07:52,639 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: We had blinds, Okay, that we leave at night, we

1195
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,440
open you know, in my bedroom. You know obviously you know,

1196
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:04,599
because but I mean, like you can't see any like

1197
01:08:04,599 --> 01:08:06,840
if you're a person, a neighbor, you can't see into

1198
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:08,760
our house because it's so far away.

1199
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,119
Speaker 3: But you had blinds, but you didn't close them at night.

1200
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,280
I mean in the living in the common.

1201
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:18,359
Speaker 1: Areas for the most part. And I remember the part

1202
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:20,800
of my my encounter where like, you know, you have

1203
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:23,479
the back sun room and that's where the kiddies are,

1204
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,560
and that's where we would take the dogs out to

1205
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:30,159
go a bathroom at And I remember I was watching

1206
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:34,520
the back through the back patio. The I was watching

1207
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:40,239
the through the windows. And when I turned back around

1208
01:08:40,239 --> 01:08:42,960
to look through the frosted glass, because you know it's frosted,

1209
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:44,760
you could see like through like a little inch of

1210
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:47,720
it whatever, you know, the design the frost the front door,

1211
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:53,920
I saw a big silhouette like this, and then when

1212
01:08:53,920 --> 01:09:01,399
I turn made eye contact, it went talk about creepy.

1213
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:05,199
The next day, this this is how how how much

1214
01:09:05,239 --> 01:09:09,159
it messed with my head. I turned all the blinds, shut,

1215
01:09:09,399 --> 01:09:12,000
every blind in the house. My mom was like, what

1216
01:09:12,039 --> 01:09:16,520
in the hell are you doing. I don't want anything

1217
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:17,479
out there looking at her.

1218
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:19,239
Speaker 3: Well, did you tell her? Did you tell her why

1219
01:09:19,319 --> 01:09:19,840
you were doing that?

1220
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I explained. She's like, well, I just don't, you know.

1221
01:09:23,039 --> 01:09:26,239
I don't know, you know, my mom's kind of like

1222
01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:29,720
Marge Simpson. You know, I just you know. But it

1223
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,359
I tell people that it apparently I think I was

1224
01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:37,119
still in shock. I think I was suffering from shock,

1225
01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:39,399
is what I was thinking. I think what was happening.

1226
01:09:41,159 --> 01:09:44,439
And I just wanted to all those blinds, every blind

1227
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:48,800
my parents room, there are are are you know, both

1228
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:51,359
the spare bedrooms. Everywhere I can find a blind, I

1229
01:09:51,399 --> 01:09:54,840
closed it. Yeah, I was still in shock.

1230
01:09:57,239 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 3: So yeah, when we're in that fish bowl environment and

1231
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,239
we don't close blinds or curtains and we have lights on,

1232
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,880
you can't see out, but everything can see in whatever's

1233
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:07,239
out there.

1234
01:10:07,359 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 1: Yep. I tell you a really interesting shot. This is

1235
01:10:10,039 --> 01:10:13,119
not something happened to me. But there's a researcher that

1236
01:10:13,159 --> 01:10:16,920
I talked to in Oklahoma when he came down and

1237
01:10:16,359 --> 01:10:23,560
he said that he had some very scary crap happened

1238
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:25,880
hit his place. But he said he when their house,

1239
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,319
he had this like old truck that was out on

1240
01:10:29,399 --> 01:10:33,399
the side of the house, and you know, he had

1241
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:35,640
a lot of activity at his property. But he said,

1242
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:39,720
one incident, you would go outside the house and you

1243
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:45,239
go to that old truck, vintage truck that was sitting

1244
01:10:45,239 --> 01:10:48,800
there for years by his property. On the other side

1245
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:52,119
of it was too where it had this creature had

1246
01:10:52,159 --> 01:10:54,359
gone and just sat there and would look through the

1247
01:10:54,399 --> 01:11:00,000
window of the side windows. It would use the truck

1248
01:11:00,279 --> 01:11:03,319
his cover and would sit there and watch the kitchen.

1249
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,159
And the only reason why they knew it was there

1250
01:11:06,199 --> 01:11:08,800
because you could see where his feet were at the time.

1251
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:10,720
For for months and months and months months they had

1252
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:13,479
come to the same spot and watch them using that

1253
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:16,439
thing as cover, but he would use the side windows.

1254
01:11:17,159 --> 01:11:21,319
Speaker 3: You know, they're definitely creepers. They just they mostly just

1255
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:24,159
like to watch. I mean, obviously that very first encounter

1256
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:28,720
you shared date it came right into the bonfire area,

1257
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:31,960
didn't work out so well for it in that case, which, hey,

1258
01:11:32,039 --> 01:11:34,239
I don't blame them for taking the shot because I

1259
01:11:34,279 --> 01:11:37,479
think if you all of a sudden there's a monster

1260
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:42,279
coming at you, yeah, that would probably be the first

1261
01:11:42,359 --> 01:11:43,359
thought anybody had.

1262
01:11:44,279 --> 01:11:48,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I could you know that story. That

1263
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,159
story gave me the creeps when they told me. And

1264
01:11:51,199 --> 01:11:53,319
you know, it wasn't until two thousand and five that

1265
01:11:53,399 --> 01:11:55,560
I actually get to see what they saw. But I

1266
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:58,439
can I can't even like my mind was. It was

1267
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:01,119
scary enough seeing these things about, you know, two hundred

1268
01:12:01,199 --> 01:12:03,600
yards away or the other one's four hundred yards away,

1269
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:07,439
that was scary enough. I can't even imagine turning around

1270
01:12:08,319 --> 01:12:12,079
fifty yards behind you or or last one of these things. Yeah,

1271
01:12:12,119 --> 01:12:14,399
I probably would have done the same thing. I know

1272
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:17,319
that upsets people all the time. People people were like, no,

1273
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:20,359
don't please, don't shoot, you know, but.

1274
01:12:22,359 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 3: Whatever, Yeah, I mean, you're gonna fend people no matter

1275
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,840
what you say, So that's all right. I wonder if

1276
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:35,279
the charcoal one was the alpha, the grandpa, the patriarch

1277
01:12:35,359 --> 01:12:36,960
of that family out.

1278
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:40,520
Speaker 1: There, you know, so I got what I got. I

1279
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:44,880
got thinking about it because it looked commonly the two

1280
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:49,159
auburn ones, even though that one was super big, that

1281
01:12:49,239 --> 01:12:52,920
one of them was maybe the younger one, and they

1282
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:54,560
were kind of they looked like they're kind of caring

1283
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:57,560
for each other. And the the charcoal one was the

1284
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:00,520
one on the front lines closer to my house and

1285
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:03,920
was doing more of the checking out because that dude

1286
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:05,560
was still in my woods. And so he was on

1287
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,880
the front lines, you know, as I call it, and

1288
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,520
and and uh checking, checking what was going on in

1289
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:16,039
my house. So and I had I kind of wanted

1290
01:13:16,079 --> 01:13:17,920
to go back in the woods at the time, because

1291
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,159
I was before I first when I first spotted them,

1292
01:13:20,159 --> 01:13:23,399
I actually was all my way to going back into

1293
01:13:23,399 --> 01:13:25,680
the woods. But I was like, nope, not anymore. Now

1294
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:28,880
I'm going back there because that big dude of courts.

1295
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 3: What's the closest illustration or something from a movie, whatever

1296
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:41,079
it is that you would say that's the face of

1297
01:13:41,159 --> 01:13:43,000
what I saw that day.

1298
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 1: That's a good question, because I posted and I don't

1299
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:51,760
I'm gonna try to I tried to put I got

1300
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:55,319
a grad. I did a screen shot the new Planet

1301
01:13:55,359 --> 01:13:58,880
of Apes, the you know, the CGI version, the recent

1302
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:04,039
one franchise. There's this one of them, and I know

1303
01:14:04,119 --> 01:14:06,720
he has face paint, he's got these stripes on him.

1304
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:10,119
That's you know, obviously that's part of the storyline. But

1305
01:14:10,279 --> 01:14:15,319
that mean old chimp looking dude on a horse. I

1306
01:14:15,319 --> 01:14:18,319
don't know if anyone, if anyone is listening and they've

1307
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:22,399
seen the new franchise and they've seen one of the

1308
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:24,960
planets of the apes. He's mounted on a horse and

1309
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:29,039
he's got stripes on his hand, hand paint on his thing.

1310
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:34,840
Don't worry about the hampaint just you know, but that

1311
01:14:36,319 --> 01:14:42,479
rounded top, uh kind of just mean old chimp looking.

1312
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:48,800
That's it. And yeah, and I'll find that picture and

1313
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:52,279
I'll send it to you. That's the screenshot that I found.

1314
01:14:52,319 --> 01:14:56,279
That's that's him. The other ones, I guess because they're

1315
01:14:56,319 --> 01:14:58,560
farther away, and even though I had some pretty good detail,

1316
01:14:59,399 --> 01:15:03,920
they looked weren't like a regatings, but they you know,

1317
01:15:04,039 --> 01:15:06,800
that one looked like a big meno chimp. I don't

1318
01:15:07,359 --> 01:15:10,359
people that are like, oh, well, it looks so human. Yeah,

1319
01:15:10,359 --> 01:15:12,079
I kind of, but it looks like a big meno

1320
01:15:12,199 --> 01:15:12,720
chimp to me.

1321
01:15:13,359 --> 01:15:20,399
Speaker 3: So honestly, courts your those sightings there with those three

1322
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:24,399
is a very ideal situation because you're far enough away,

1323
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:29,039
you're not worried about it, and you're through binoculars getting detail.

1324
01:15:30,119 --> 01:15:33,399
Speaker 1: I can I tell. I keep telling myself, man, what

1325
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:35,800
if I had my six hundred MILLI MERR lens right now?

1326
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,079
Even though it's a vengeance lens, it's manual focused, but

1327
01:15:39,239 --> 01:15:41,560
I mean, oh man, I would have had a heyday

1328
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:42,880
if I had a long lens.

1329
01:15:43,279 --> 01:15:45,560
Speaker 3: You know what, though, there's something to be said for

1330
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:49,159
staying in the moment and you just having your experience.

1331
01:15:50,119 --> 01:15:52,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good way of putting it. And they're like,

1332
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:54,399
I still kick myself for this very day.

1333
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:56,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I can understand that.

1334
01:15:58,159 --> 01:16:00,520
Speaker 1: Because I know people are if I took photos and

1335
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:03,039
that little rinky dink fifty five millimeter lens, people are

1336
01:16:03,079 --> 01:16:06,800
going to go, I don't see anything. Yeah, where's the

1337
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:08,000
red circles.

1338
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 4: That you know?

1339
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:12,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get the red circles out?

1340
01:16:13,039 --> 01:16:15,199
Speaker 1: Pull off the red marker, man, because like this is

1341
01:16:15,239 --> 01:16:20,439
it right here? But this is why whenever I go

1342
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:23,840
out on expedition, is that why I have a some

1343
01:16:24,199 --> 01:16:26,399
form that may not be the six hundred millimeter lens,

1344
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:30,319
but some form of big long lens that it's a

1345
01:16:30,399 --> 01:16:33,279
vintage lens or a digital one that I can quickly

1346
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:37,760
because I know some at some point there's going to

1347
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:40,199
be that encounter, that type of encounter that's going to

1348
01:16:40,239 --> 01:16:45,199
happen again, Yeah, and and just whip out that big

1349
01:16:45,239 --> 01:16:48,439
long lens and start shooting away. So yeah, that's in

1350
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:50,439
my that's in my arsenal Vie.

1351
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:54,000
Speaker 3: So especially being a professional photographer, I'm sure that that

1352
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:57,399
just sticks in your cross so badly, but you know,

1353
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:00,960
it is what it is, and sometimes that's just how

1354
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,199
it's supposed to go, and that's okay.

1355
01:17:04,199 --> 01:17:07,039
Speaker 1: I definitely I definitely lived in the moment at that time. Yeah,

1356
01:17:07,159 --> 01:17:09,920
I think that's great. That's a good way of putting it.

1357
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 3: Because you know what, even if you put the pictures up,

1358
01:17:12,039 --> 01:17:16,520
people are still going to call bullshit, so what oh,

1359
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:20,359
you can't please them all and especially nowadays because of AI,

1360
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,640
So we're really screwed in that in that regard. Okay, well,

1361
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:26,000
let's close it down and go back to Holly Creek,

1362
01:17:26,079 --> 01:17:29,359
Oklahoma then, right, so.

1363
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:33,520
Speaker 1: We went to twenty ten. We moved things to Oklahoma,

1364
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:37,079
back to where David Holly had his encounter, and he

1365
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:44,239
gave me the warning that the creatures here are bolder, bigger,

1366
01:17:45,319 --> 01:17:49,399
and a hell of a lot more terrifying. And I said, okay, man,

1367
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:52,520
because we have already done five years of research at

1368
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:54,640
Pat May's and that was scary enough, but he said,

1369
01:17:55,279 --> 01:17:57,000
this is so remote that we're going to have to

1370
01:17:57,039 --> 01:17:59,600
be on high alert and lots of firearms and just

1371
01:18:00,239 --> 01:18:05,760
a perimeter and just you know, so I'm gonna go

1372
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:09,359
ahead and fast forward to the twenty twelve incident, because

1373
01:18:09,359 --> 01:18:11,600
we had some really good things that happened to us,

1374
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:16,000
but you know, not not anything visual, you know, up

1375
01:18:16,079 --> 01:18:20,159
until about twenty twelve. I went out there, met up

1376
01:18:20,159 --> 01:18:26,560
with them and we had I think one, two, three,

1377
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:31,279
six people and I was kind of I was a

1378
01:18:31,319 --> 01:18:35,359
little bit, isn't it because I said, I don't like

1379
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:38,079
coming out here with anything less than eight or ten.

1380
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:40,439
It was one of it's so remote that you want

1381
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:43,720
a big group, grow a safety in numbers. And then

1382
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:45,479
we had about we had we had me and David,

1383
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:51,680
his friend Perry, uh jd his son, David's son, and

1384
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:56,279
then uh Michael and Brandon, and I said, is this

1385
01:18:56,319 --> 01:18:59,119
is it? He said, yeah, this is it. We're gonna

1386
01:18:59,119 --> 01:19:02,039
have to just hunker down, do the best we can.

1387
01:19:02,119 --> 01:19:05,079
And this is a place that is so remote that

1388
01:19:05,159 --> 01:19:08,600
you don't even have to leave camp. You are and

1389
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,119
you're there is no green zone out there. There is

1390
01:19:11,359 --> 01:19:15,479
like you're there, they're going to come find you. And

1391
01:19:17,239 --> 01:19:19,760
you know, we set up we got some cams up

1392
01:19:20,279 --> 01:19:23,760
near down near the lake, near the shoreline, so maybe

1393
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:27,359
we can capture something. But that first night, it was

1394
01:19:27,359 --> 01:19:35,560
a Friday night, and I uh, I was, I had

1395
01:19:35,359 --> 01:19:38,079
had everyone had turned in got inside there. We don't

1396
01:19:38,119 --> 01:19:40,960
even sleep intents out there. It's it's that active, like

1397
01:19:41,039 --> 01:19:44,680
everyone sleeps inside the vehicle. And I was inside my

1398
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:46,800
little car at the time. I had a little hatch

1399
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:50,359
back and and I remember that Friday night waking up

1400
01:19:50,359 --> 01:19:53,199
because I had some kind of bad dream and I

1401
01:19:53,239 --> 01:19:55,439
don't know, I felt like I was being drugg around.

1402
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:57,000
So I got I don't know if something came up

1403
01:19:57,039 --> 01:19:59,439
to my car and pushed it, you know, but something

1404
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:08,119
woke me up up, and I wiped away the the

1405
01:20:08,239 --> 01:20:10,600
not the frost, but like you know, like the stuff

1406
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:14,680
in the window, and it's like warmer inside conversation. And

1407
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:18,119
I saw my cars here, and David's car was about

1408
01:20:18,159 --> 01:20:23,119
seven yards away from mine, parked there, and I looked, really,

1409
01:20:23,199 --> 01:20:26,039
you know, it was at night, so I looked, look,

1410
01:20:26,319 --> 01:20:31,640
and there's something a figure real tall looking over David's

1411
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:40,880
ah little uh uh blazer, and then it just kind

1412
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:46,239
of slowly backed off and walked off, and I said yeah.

1413
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:51,680
So I was like, well, and I had I had

1414
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:56,399
the walkie talkie, and I said, is anybody up? And

1415
01:20:56,399 --> 01:21:00,159
I didn't hear anything, so I said, okay, so I

1416
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:04,319
made sure my doors are locked, and I put the

1417
01:21:04,159 --> 01:21:06,439
h They put the blanket over my head, and I

1418
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:08,680
just kind of laid back down and kept still, and

1419
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:13,720
I reached up front flashed my my high beams a

1420
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:16,199
little bit like like an alarm. So if there's anything

1421
01:21:16,199 --> 01:21:18,920
out there in camp, maybe I'll maybe that'll startle it.

1422
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:22,520
And then I kind of try to get back to sleep.

1423
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:24,600
I don't think I could get back to sleep that night,

1424
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:29,800
So so the next day we kind of talked about

1425
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:32,319
what happened. And one of the things that we found

1426
01:21:32,359 --> 01:21:37,960
that night that I've got a picture of was John's car.

1427
01:21:38,199 --> 01:21:41,119
JD's car was his truck. He had a Ford f

1428
01:21:41,159 --> 01:21:43,119
one fifty with a little bit of a lift kit

1429
01:21:43,199 --> 01:21:46,159
on it. He was sleeping at you know, his his

1430
01:21:46,239 --> 01:21:48,760
seat was back and he has hat down. He's sleeping away.

1431
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:52,479
Something had come up to his side of a forward

1432
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:57,159
read four fifty and put its face into the window

1433
01:21:58,079 --> 01:22:02,680
and you could see the nose and lips print, and

1434
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:05,159
I took a picture of it. You can see like

1435
01:22:05,199 --> 01:22:08,439
a bottom whip and nose pressed up, you know, where

1436
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:11,920
it smudged up against the window. So that was interesting.

1437
01:22:12,079 --> 01:22:14,000
So and it was interesting that we got pictures of that.

1438
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:16,159
I was having a heyday. I was like, oh, this

1439
01:22:16,199 --> 01:22:20,880
is great. So the next day we we set out

1440
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:27,840
some IR cameras in this waterfall area and hoping to

1441
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:31,720
capture something. But we're all worn out and nighttime came

1442
01:22:32,079 --> 01:22:35,319
and I said, hey, David. David like, I don't want

1443
01:22:35,319 --> 01:22:40,039
anybody by themselves in their vehicle. Let's get everyone kind

1444
01:22:40,039 --> 01:22:43,479
of two and two together. You know. John fine, he's

1445
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:45,760
got his forty five caliber in there with him, so

1446
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:49,760
he's good. Harry's going to be out sleep soon. That's

1447
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:51,680
how he is. He just nods off and goes to sleep.

1448
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:55,079
Brandon and Michael, then you and me. And I said,

1449
01:22:55,079 --> 01:22:56,840
you don't mind me being in there because he had

1450
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,039
like a big futa mattress in there. It was perfect,

1451
01:22:59,039 --> 01:23:01,079
you know. And I said I didn't get my sleep

1452
01:23:01,119 --> 01:23:04,439
last night because of what happened. And he goes, go

1453
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:08,399
ahead and grab your your blanket. You're pull hop on him.

1454
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:12,119
So I do, and he said, I'll tell you if

1455
01:23:12,159 --> 01:23:16,199
I if I hear something. He's a very light sleeper. Yeah.

1456
01:23:16,319 --> 01:23:20,359
David had been a tower guard at Huntsville Prison for

1457
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:22,399
a number of years, so he was he was just

1458
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:26,319
one of those security type people, and uh so I

1459
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:29,039
nod off. I was like I once my head hit

1460
01:23:29,079 --> 01:23:34,640
that pill, I was like, il's out. And then uh I,

1461
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:37,600
uh I was out. And then next thing I know,

1462
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:39,960
it was I had several hours of sleep and I

1463
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:44,680
heard I heard David say in his very cautious voice,

1464
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:50,279
I said, he goes courts, Hey, hey, courts. And I was,

1465
01:23:50,399 --> 01:23:57,159
you know, half asleep, are you awake? And I and

1466
01:23:57,199 --> 01:23:58,920
then you could tell, you know, like you can tell

1467
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:04,199
the sound of somebody's voice that something's wrong, and uh,

1468
01:24:06,119 --> 01:24:09,279
I said, hey, what's going on? He says, I think

1469
01:24:09,359 --> 01:24:13,760
there's a squatch in these woods. And I said, okay,

1470
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:16,359
now you know, the adrenaline started kind of going and

1471
01:24:16,399 --> 01:24:20,920
I was awake and he I said, well, where's he at?

1472
01:24:21,039 --> 01:24:23,279
He said, well, secondly, ago, he walked right up to

1473
01:24:23,279 --> 01:24:25,600
the side of your window and then tapped on the middle.

1474
01:24:26,199 --> 01:24:29,199
We've had that happen before. It's like it's a quick tap,

1475
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:32,960
you know, with their fingernail. But he said, he came

1476
01:24:33,039 --> 01:24:35,000
right up to your window. And I think he's on

1477
01:24:35,079 --> 01:24:38,640
the blind side right now. He's talking. David's talking kind

1478
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:42,079
of whispering quiet, and then you see you hear the footsteps.

1479
01:24:42,079 --> 01:24:44,199
And not only could you hear the footsteps, you could

1480
01:24:44,279 --> 01:24:47,600
feel in your chest as each footprint hit the ground.

1481
01:24:49,359 --> 01:24:51,800
That was the scary part, because you could feel how

1482
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:55,279
heavy this thing was. And he saw it pass by

1483
01:24:56,159 --> 01:24:59,600
the back window of the sevat, you know, the blazer

1484
01:25:00,079 --> 01:25:05,720
the window, and uh, it got well, you could see

1485
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:08,399
it lower down and now it was on David's side.

1486
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:11,479
It lowered down. It was knuckle crawling onto his side.

1487
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:19,199
And you hear that thinking and David, he's David looks,

1488
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:23,720
he so and he has uh uh, all the windows

1489
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:29,560
are what do you call that? That reflective stuff. It's

1490
01:25:30,119 --> 01:25:34,439
the it's tint, but it's reflective. Yeah, so it's a

1491
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:37,279
reflective tint. So I don't I don't know if you

1492
01:25:37,279 --> 01:25:40,960
could see inside. Uh and maybe it might have been

1493
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:42,800
interested in its reflection on that.

1494
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,520
Speaker 6: But David looks, you know, he gets his he gets

1495
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:48,159
he looks in. Then he looks out the window a

1496
01:25:48,199 --> 01:25:51,600
little bit. He goes, oh, he's on all fours, he's

1497
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:53,920
on our back side. And then you see it rise

1498
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:54,439
back up and.

1499
01:25:56,199 --> 01:25:58,439
Speaker 1: Back. You know, he goes back around my side and

1500
01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:07,279
the whole time I'm like, nope, nope, nope, I'm just

1501
01:26:07,319 --> 01:26:11,680
trying to like cover my face. I'm just like uh.

1502
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:17,800
So David gets he gets his anyway, he's got his, uh,

1503
01:26:19,159 --> 01:26:23,159
his his gun and next to him in the in

1504
01:26:23,279 --> 01:26:27,199
the door space whatever like that. So he says, doors

1505
01:26:27,199 --> 01:26:31,199
are locked. He says, we're good. He gets his, He

1506
01:26:31,239 --> 01:26:33,399
gets his radio, and he'say, you know how the radio

1507
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:35,600
when you turn on the radios when we do we

1508
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:38,119
go on operation or an expedition, you know how they

1509
01:26:38,159 --> 01:26:40,000
at night they have th little li's l c D

1510
01:26:40,119 --> 01:26:45,000
screens that light up. So David has got it underneath

1511
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:47,560
the blank underneath his sleeping bag, and he's trying to

1512
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:51,520
keep it from lighting up the entire entire car. So

1513
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:57,039
he's he turns it on. He says, JD, you're awake,

1514
01:26:58,039 --> 01:27:00,600
and there's radio silence. He yes, he's asleep or something.

1515
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:07,920
Michael Ashley Brandon, are you awake? We figured they're all

1516
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:12,960
passed out just to sleep. We didn't want to call

1517
01:27:13,039 --> 01:27:16,000
Perry because Perry's probably already asleep. So Perry, you awake.

1518
01:27:17,359 --> 01:27:24,359
Everybody's asleep, so we we Uh So he says, Will

1519
01:27:24,399 --> 01:27:28,880
Courts just lay here and we'll just observe what he does,

1520
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:32,560
because apparently he's going from our car to Parry's truck

1521
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:35,880
and then he come back over to our car. And

1522
01:27:38,039 --> 01:27:40,560
but the interesting part about it is that, remember those

1523
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:43,279
grunts I was talking about in the beginning, he started

1524
01:27:43,319 --> 01:27:45,159
doing those, and you could feel it in your chest.

1525
01:27:46,039 --> 01:27:53,159
But he'd go like and it was like really aggressive

1526
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:56,159
sounding grunts, like he was whatever he was trying to

1527
01:27:56,159 --> 01:28:03,000
intimidate whatever was there. And this thing stating around camp

1528
01:28:03,399 --> 01:28:07,479
for a good forty five minutes, well, we just kind of,

1529
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:13,800
I guess, we did our best to observe and kept quiet.

1530
01:28:14,199 --> 01:28:16,119
It started to get to a point and this is

1531
01:28:16,199 --> 01:28:19,239
it was an overcast morning, so you didn't see any sunlight.

1532
01:28:19,279 --> 01:28:24,560
But I noticed that I could start seeing the bark

1533
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:27,920
on the trees. So we were starting to have enough

1534
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:29,800
flight so I could see the bark on the trees,

1535
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:38,960
on the pine trees, and David was I guess David

1536
01:28:39,079 --> 01:28:41,960
was getting hostile toward it because he wanted to get

1537
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:44,199
back to sleep because we couldn't does not knowing much

1538
01:28:44,239 --> 01:28:51,680
we could do at that point, but David said he

1539
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:53,720
kind of raised his voice and said, hey, monkey boy,

1540
01:28:54,279 --> 01:28:57,279
we're trying in here, trying to sleep. You're out there

1541
01:28:57,319 --> 01:29:00,359
walking around tapping on the car. And he heard the

1542
01:29:00,399 --> 01:29:05,359
walking stop real quick, and you hear it. He goes, hey, courts,

1543
01:29:05,399 --> 01:29:07,840
you can you can hear it breathing. Listen real good,

1544
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:09,600
you can hear it breathing. I'm like, David, I don't

1545
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:13,199
want to hear him breathing. So but then you hear

1546
01:29:13,279 --> 01:29:17,880
the foot. It looked like it kicked its foot and

1547
01:29:18,039 --> 01:29:21,119
hit the pebbles up against the car like he got

1548
01:29:21,119 --> 01:29:24,319
mad because he goes wrong. And then it walked off

1549
01:29:24,319 --> 01:29:26,279
somewhere in camp and I was like, well, I don't

1550
01:29:26,319 --> 01:29:32,239
hear him. That's when I heard one of the creature

1551
01:29:33,079 --> 01:29:38,479
doing a high sprint out of camp and I said,

1552
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:43,760
did you just hear that? And I said high spread

1553
01:29:44,399 --> 01:29:47,239
and he said yeah. And I said, why don't we

1554
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:51,039
wait about five minutes and then we'll get out of

1555
01:29:51,039 --> 01:29:52,520
this car, we'll get out of the Blazer and we'll

1556
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:54,600
start the fire. Well, told JD what's going what would

1557
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:57,560
just happen? He said that lees that this sounds like

1558
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:01,960
a plan. And then we here behind the front of

1559
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:03,960
the car. The front we had the front covered with

1560
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:06,039
a blanket because we didn't want the little dog, the

1561
01:30:06,039 --> 01:30:09,479
little pitbull to get have something looking at it, So

1562
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:12,199
we had that we had a towel over the front windshield.

1563
01:30:13,239 --> 01:30:18,800
We hear in front of the blazer. It sounded like

1564
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:21,840
somebody reving a motor up, but it wasn't a motor.

1565
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:26,560
It was that thing given like a roar, like a

1566
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:31,800
low like a low roar. And I said, I think

1567
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:33,600
we might want away about thirty more minutes where we

1568
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:36,199
get more than that thing's gone, he said, And David said, yeah,

1569
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:39,680
I think so. So we waited thirty more minutes, but

1570
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:43,319
we could see out of the windows it was and

1571
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:46,359
the sun had come up, and we opened up those

1572
01:30:46,399 --> 01:30:53,079
doors and got with JD and told him about what happened.

1573
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:59,760
So I did grab my camera and I videoed the

1574
01:31:00,079 --> 01:31:01,439
went that I got out of those doors. I grabbed

1575
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:03,720
my video camera if that was in my pack outside

1576
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:06,920
on in camp, and I video of the interaction between

1577
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:11,560
David and and JD talking about what just happened. But

1578
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:14,960
we JD filled a song in on some some information

1579
01:31:15,119 --> 01:31:19,600
that from his point of view, his his pitball rock

1580
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:22,920
had to go to the bathroom about the time that

1581
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:29,600
we had that the encounter, and j D opened his door.

1582
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:32,880
He just cracked it. That's his thing, that's his security thing.

1583
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:36,039
He cracks it and then listens and when he opened

1584
01:31:36,119 --> 01:31:38,439
up his door, he heard that up that one go

1585
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:43,520
take off. He didn't realize that there was a second

1586
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:46,680
one there, so he close up. He says, Rock, you'll

1587
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:48,479
go bathroom here into a second because he didn't know

1588
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:50,640
what he didn't know what that was. He just heard

1589
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:54,239
running sprinting down back down on the camp trail. So

1590
01:31:54,279 --> 01:31:57,960
he closed his door until we got out, and then

1591
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:00,640
he let Rock out to go to the bath. But

1592
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:04,399
he said, once he heard that sprinting, he's so I

1593
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:07,560
put two and two together, and I think what had

1594
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:11,359
happened was there's two of them, probably a younger one,

1595
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:14,640
and when that younger one heard the door crack open,

1596
01:32:15,159 --> 01:32:19,239
he said, I'm out of here, the big alpha. I'm

1597
01:32:19,279 --> 01:32:23,680
assuming the big alpha kind of. He said, I'm gonna

1598
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:26,039
just hang back here where they can't see me and

1599
01:32:26,159 --> 01:32:29,039
let off a nice little roar for them to scare him.

1600
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:33,960
And then it, Yeah, it must have mosied off sometime

1601
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:37,800
after that. So that was that was the encounter that

1602
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:41,079
was unnerving. Like my my original encounter was unnerving, but

1603
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:45,600
it was more more of excitement. This one was unnerving

1604
01:32:47,079 --> 01:32:49,880
because of just how close close and close up it was.

1605
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:55,239
Speaker 3: So is that why your when it was actually circling

1606
01:32:55,279 --> 01:32:58,800
around with you and David, is that why your your

1607
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:02,279
reaction was, I don't want to actually look right now.

1608
01:33:02,319 --> 01:33:03,600
It was too close for coming.

1609
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:07,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was too close because you It was the

1610
01:33:07,119 --> 01:33:11,079
way I described it was very personal because he came

1611
01:33:11,119 --> 01:33:13,760
back around my side and you could feel his feet.

1612
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:17,199
You could feel the feet hitting the ground like I

1613
01:33:17,239 --> 01:33:19,560
don't know if it was stomping a little bit more aggressively,

1614
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:22,920
but it was. It was like boom, boom boom. It

1615
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:24,600
was getting like wow, you could feel it like in

1616
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:27,000
your chest as it came back around my side like

1617
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:31,760
it was it was just super raw power, like I'm

1618
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:34,039
here and I can nank this store off, this off

1619
01:33:34,079 --> 01:33:35,520
the hinges and snatch you out of there.

1620
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 3: Oh, I get it, trust me, and I can understand.

1621
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:44,399
Because that's completely different than seeing them from two hundred

1622
01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:47,800
yards away through binoculars, you know. So that's a lot different.

1623
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:51,720
So did you guys have any cameras set up pointed

1624
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:52,960
at your vehicles at night?

1625
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 1: No, but we did so that night, the night when

1626
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:59,960
that happened, we said okay, so we covered the blame

1627
01:34:00,399 --> 01:34:04,239
with a tarp and then we put a can by

1628
01:34:04,279 --> 01:34:10,159
the tree overlooking our blazer when we did nothing else

1629
01:34:10,199 --> 01:34:12,600
happened that. That was Saturday nights when we did that,

1630
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:16,560
and nothing help. It's weird. It's like the cameras are up,

1631
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:18,039
They're like, nope, I'm not going to mess with them.

1632
01:34:18,199 --> 01:34:19,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1633
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:20,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird.

1634
01:34:21,159 --> 01:34:23,800
Speaker 3: That that's something we hear a lot, you know people

1635
01:34:24,119 --> 01:34:28,720
And in fact, if bigfoot researchers go out to somebody's property,

1636
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:32,279
which it's completely different of course, if you're having unwanted

1637
01:34:32,319 --> 01:34:35,880
activity where you live, because you should feel safe at

1638
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:40,279
your home. Bigfoot researchers go, well, try putting cameras up,

1639
01:34:40,319 --> 01:34:42,239
and that might just kill it, you know. They they'll

1640
01:34:42,279 --> 01:34:46,840
go through, oh, put spotlights up, you get dogs or whatever,

1641
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:49,560
but you put cameras up, and sometimes that just that'll

1642
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:49,880
end it.

1643
01:34:50,159 --> 01:34:55,359
Speaker 1: Just like, yeah, I noticed that when I told my

1644
01:34:55,359 --> 01:34:58,199
my dad to put security lights up at the back,

1645
01:34:58,399 --> 01:35:00,159
on the back of the house, not just the front.

1646
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:02,680
The moment we put those security oh and we left

1647
01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:06,000
them on all night. Yeah, when we started doing that,

1648
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:12,119
they never nothing nothing, yeah, nothing. I think the last

1649
01:35:12,119 --> 01:35:15,359
time that I had heard of them was I I

1650
01:35:15,399 --> 01:35:17,199
was living. Me and me and Anna were living in

1651
01:35:17,239 --> 01:35:20,359
Denn't and I had driven up for something to go

1652
01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:23,960
talk to Dad about something, and the guy there was

1653
01:35:24,039 --> 01:35:29,439
this relatiously scream roar from the three hundred and two

1654
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:32,800
acres across the road. It's a it's a lightly wood.

1655
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:34,960
There's an old graveyard up there too, but there's it's

1656
01:35:35,079 --> 01:35:37,479
cattle and hay and then like a like a creek

1657
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:42,359
system in woods. And I heard this hallaciously screaming roar

1658
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:44,960
coming from that before I went, before I got inside

1659
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:47,600
the house, and I just stopped. I listened, But it

1660
01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:49,359
was coming from that three hundred and two acres. That

1661
01:35:49,399 --> 01:35:51,640
was the guy that we bought our hay from. But uh,

1662
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:54,279
I think that that's where they are based at and

1663
01:35:54,319 --> 01:35:56,800
then at night they would come across the road to

1664
01:35:57,039 --> 01:36:00,560
the houses. Yeah, so but that was the last time,

1665
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:02,960
but I heard anything weird there after that.

1666
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:07,119
Speaker 3: So well, Yeah, I imagine as the years go on,

1667
01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:10,680
just more houses get built or you know whatever roads

1668
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:13,920
go through things, and more trails cut through.

1669
01:36:15,119 --> 01:36:17,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's more houses out there now, like out in

1670
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:19,720
that three hundred and two like that. I don't even

1671
01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:21,520
think that guy's alive anymore. I think he sold some

1672
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:24,239
of his property. There's a bed and breakfast all on

1673
01:36:24,279 --> 01:36:27,960
that property. Now there's a I think somebody else sectioned

1674
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:30,000
off an area that built their little house out there.

1675
01:36:30,079 --> 01:36:34,279
When I was driving up through there again, yeah, yeah,

1676
01:36:34,319 --> 01:36:39,560
there's a there's a stuff being being built there that

1677
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:45,279
that wasn't there thirty years ago, and so yeah, interesting

1678
01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:46,079
it is.

1679
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:50,119
Speaker 3: But honestly, yeah, that that encounter where you saw those

1680
01:36:50,199 --> 01:36:53,720
three is just it's so ideal that or, you know,

1681
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:57,000
a road crossing during the day, I think is really

1682
01:36:57,199 --> 01:37:00,840
ideal where you you it's close enough, not too close,

1683
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:03,680
and it's also where you see them clear enough that

1684
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:05,720
you can identify what you are seeing.

1685
01:37:06,359 --> 01:37:09,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that kind of that, That's what I

1686
01:37:09,159 --> 01:37:10,399
call it. I was trying to think of a name

1687
01:37:10,439 --> 01:37:13,239
for that typic of accounty. It's a very comfort zone

1688
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:17,199
encounter where you're I was in my I wasn't in

1689
01:37:17,239 --> 01:37:19,199
my comfort zone the night, Profrior, but I was in

1690
01:37:19,279 --> 01:37:23,000
my comfort zone. I was in the pasture. Yeah, they're

1691
01:37:23,039 --> 01:37:29,279
in their comfort zone somewhere back there in his woodline pasture.

1692
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:33,159
And so we can we can now observe each other,

1693
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:37,119
me better than them because they probably couldn't see too

1694
01:37:37,159 --> 01:37:40,239
well what I was doing, but they were able to

1695
01:37:40,279 --> 01:37:43,279
observe me. I was able to observe them, and I

1696
01:37:43,319 --> 01:37:45,640
pray to God every day that I'll have that kind

1697
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:48,600
of counter some other time. Or I was like, hey,

1698
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:50,680
hang on one second, I just pull out my big winds

1699
01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:52,399
and start doing video.

1700
01:37:53,039 --> 01:37:55,560
Speaker 3: Well, because you know what it was in Holly Creek

1701
01:37:55,640 --> 01:37:58,079
is you guys were like the sardines and the can.

1702
01:37:59,079 --> 01:38:00,479
Speaker 1: We were the sardines in the can.

1703
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:03,359
Speaker 3: Well, not that I'm saying that you would have been

1704
01:38:03,399 --> 01:38:06,000
pulled out and eaten, but you know what I'm saying,

1705
01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:07,119
you never know.

1706
01:38:07,319 --> 01:38:10,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a That is why there's a pump

1707
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:14,760
action shotgun in the car. And yeah, as forty five automatic.

1708
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:17,560
That is why we had the doors locked. Yeah, and

1709
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:20,319
I don't think they figured out how to grab the handle,

1710
01:38:20,359 --> 01:38:23,680
and you know whatever I mean. I know David, David's

1711
01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:28,079
been at Pat May's and then they had their one

1712
01:38:28,079 --> 01:38:31,119
of their in law's little campers and he said, something

1713
01:38:31,199 --> 01:38:34,439
stepped on stepped on the step and the whole camper

1714
01:38:34,479 --> 01:38:39,920
goes and then something jiggled, something jiggled the little handle

1715
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:44,279
and then stepped off again, walked off. So you know,

1716
01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:47,079
little incidents like that kind of creeped me out because

1717
01:38:47,079 --> 01:38:50,359
like how are they gonna figure it out one day?

1718
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:54,000
Speaker 3: You know, just you know, I don't know, I mean

1719
01:38:54,119 --> 01:38:57,119
a hazard to say. They probably do know how to

1720
01:38:57,159 --> 01:39:01,760
do that. It's just they also seem to have boundaries

1721
01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:06,319
and know not that this will create some kind of

1722
01:39:06,399 --> 01:39:09,560
a hysteria from the hairless things, you know, or maybe

1723
01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:12,039
they've tried it before and they've gotten a reaction. They

1724
01:39:12,319 --> 01:39:14,119
that was a little more than they expected.

1725
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:18,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I call I call it investigative behavior.

1726
01:39:18,239 --> 01:39:22,279
They're figuring things out there, like what happens this, Oh,

1727
01:39:23,319 --> 01:39:27,399
the the the little no hair humans react.

1728
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:32,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're screaming. Oh they ran screaming from these ten cans.

1729
01:39:32,399 --> 01:39:35,000
Speaker 1: And yeah, you know, I know, I know. David when

1730
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:38,520
that night happened, David was asleep. He woke up and

1731
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:43,199
it were well weirdness. Perry was in his tent snoring.

1732
01:39:43,319 --> 01:39:47,239
He was a bad snore. Yeah, he was snoring away.

1733
01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:49,960
But this thing came up to the David's camper, and

1734
01:39:50,079 --> 01:39:54,439
David said, when he grabbed his forty five and goes slowly,

1735
01:39:56,920 --> 01:40:00,359
it it let off the handle and he felt the

1736
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:03,680
camp or go back. So he might have known what

1737
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:07,359
he was doing, but he knew he was inside. He

1738
01:40:07,479 --> 01:40:12,800
was reacting. So they had a level of cautious cautiousness,

1739
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:18,520
you know, of if I do this, that they react,

1740
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:21,720
and so I need to maybe maybe I should mess

1741
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:22,319
with this camper.

1742
01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:24,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, well, look what happened in the first

1743
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:27,439
encounter that you shared. A big foot dig get shot

1744
01:40:27,560 --> 01:40:28,960
so there.

1745
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:32,000
Speaker 1: Their will to take What was that one? Yeah? What

1746
01:40:32,039 --> 01:40:34,560
was that one? Thinking like it's like, here's two humans

1747
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:39,319
sitting at the fire. Okay, I mean the way he

1748
01:40:39,399 --> 01:40:42,880
described it is he just came out like he was

1749
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:46,199
wanting to shake their hand, like just walking out with

1750
01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:54,039
you know, yeah, what his intentions were? Sorry, go ahead, Yeah, no,

1751
01:40:54,079 --> 01:40:55,520
I mean it was just kind of weird. It's like

1752
01:40:55,960 --> 01:40:58,359
they usually stay in the woodline and they and they

1753
01:40:58,399 --> 01:41:01,359
tried to interact from their comfort zone in the woodline,

1754
01:41:01,359 --> 01:41:04,119
but this dude just kind of walked on out, like hey,

1755
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:06,239
what are you guys up to? And then they saw

1756
01:41:06,279 --> 01:41:07,319
it and shot it.

1757
01:41:07,319 --> 01:41:10,680
Speaker 3: It is it is entertaining to just bring the conjecture

1758
01:41:10,680 --> 01:41:12,600
into things. I mean, we don't know what in hell

1759
01:41:12,680 --> 01:41:15,399
is going on at all, and run from anyone who

1760
01:41:15,439 --> 01:41:18,000
acts like they do know. But no, that's why I

1761
01:41:18,039 --> 01:41:20,720
love the subject of bigfoot so much. But courts. Thank

1762
01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:23,479
you so much for coming on and sharing.

1763
01:41:24,199 --> 01:41:25,000
Speaker 1: Picks, for having me.

1764
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:29,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope that because I mean we've been in

1765
01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:32,960
contact for quite a long while now, just on socials

1766
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:35,119
of course, So I hope that you keep me informed

1767
01:41:35,159 --> 01:41:37,399
if anything else goes down, if you if you go

1768
01:41:37,479 --> 01:41:40,560
out and any other weird shisa is happening, I'm like,

1769
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:41,199
I want to know.

1770
01:41:42,159 --> 01:41:44,479
Speaker 1: Well, you guys, you guys are down there, are doing

1771
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:46,920
a great job. I'm glad I found you guys. It's

1772
01:41:47,199 --> 01:41:51,479
good to get see some Texas talent and see you know,

1773
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:54,600
I've known people over the years, but you know, when

1774
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:56,600
I discover new people that are doing a great job,

1775
01:41:56,640 --> 01:41:58,680
like you guys are doing involved not just Bigfoot, but

1776
01:41:58,760 --> 01:42:02,279
other stuff, other weird stuff going on. But yeah, I'm

1777
01:42:02,319 --> 01:42:05,960
in the process of since David Holly's passing, I'm in

1778
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:09,439
the process of, I guess passing on the torch and

1779
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:13,199
continuing Timberline Bigfoot research it with some new members and

1780
01:42:13,239 --> 01:42:17,399
some new photographers and videographers and start planning some stuff.

1781
01:42:17,439 --> 01:42:18,800
So I'll keep you informed.

1782
01:42:19,239 --> 01:42:22,279
Speaker 3: Excellent. Oh by the way, and if not, no big deal.

1783
01:42:22,680 --> 01:42:24,920
Do you do you have a Facebook group that you

1784
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:27,079
want to shout out or anything that you need, you

1785
01:42:27,119 --> 01:42:28,439
want or I would like to plug.

1786
01:42:28,520 --> 01:42:32,960
Speaker 1: I don't for Timberline, but I do have the courtch

1787
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:39,960
Griner photography, face uh YouTube and they can get if

1788
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:42,159
people are interested in seeing some of the documentary work,

1789
01:42:42,239 --> 01:42:44,920
the video cinematic video work that I do, they can

1790
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:47,359
go there and that that's you know, David stories in

1791
01:42:47,439 --> 01:42:50,800
my cover video. But I put a lot of the

1792
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:54,439
cinematic research stuff that I put together and edit on that.

1793
01:42:54,600 --> 01:42:56,840
So that's like my I don't have a you know,

1794
01:42:56,840 --> 01:42:58,119
a thank for Timberline though.

1795
01:42:58,239 --> 01:43:00,159
Speaker 3: Okay, excellent. I will make sure to link that in

1796
01:43:00,199 --> 01:43:02,840
the show notes at Indofrey Radio dot com for that,

1797
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:07,359
and thank you again. I really appreciate it quite thanks.

1798
01:43:07,079 --> 01:43:08,760
Speaker 1: For having me. You guys keep doing a good job.

1799
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:13,720
Speaker 5: Well, I'm so and so.

1800
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:16,119
Speaker 1: I was given a slave by my parents. My business.

1801
01:43:16,159 --> 01:43:18,279
Speaker 5: I've been out of college, I've done these things in

1802
01:43:18,359 --> 01:43:18,880
my profession.

1803
01:43:19,039 --> 01:43:20,039
Speaker 1: I produce a little bag.

1804
01:43:21,199 --> 01:43:22,399
Speaker 5: But it says forget.

1805
01:43:22,079 --> 01:43:23,199
Speaker 4: It, that's not.

1806
01:43:25,279 --> 01:43:28,439
Speaker 1: That's someone for story. That's all gone, that's all passed.

1807
01:43:28,720 --> 01:43:30,159
Speaker 5: I want to see them really you.

1808
01:43:30,319 --> 01:43:35,359
Speaker 7: You are now when nobody knows who their names because

1809
01:43:35,439 --> 01:43:40,800
we don't know ourselves except for listening to mauricas.

1810
01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:45,680
Speaker 5: And consulting on members. But then that's a really when

1811
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:48,399
that again, it's expect this question.

1812
01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:50,479
Speaker 4: Who are you?

1813
01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:52,720
Speaker 3: That is the meaning.

1814
01:43:54,520 --> 01:43:55,960
Speaker 5: We shall see how they play with this.

1815
01:43:56,159 --> 01:43:59,720
Speaker 7: Except by the cos.

1816
01:43:59,039 --> 01:44:01,399
Speaker 1: Get you come out of the show.

1817
01:44:02,640 --> 01:44:45,439
Speaker 8: I'm on a less steps. It's that speaks.

1818
01:45:54,960 --> 01:45:56,920
Speaker 1: Send me more examples. Divide.

1819
01:45:58,079 --> 01:46:01,359
Speaker 5: They will say, no, we don't believe truly in reincarnation

1820
01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:07,479
that after your funeral grow you will saddenly became somebody different,

1821
01:46:08,359 --> 01:46:13,600
there being somewhere else. They will say, reincarnation means this

1822
01:46:14,319 --> 01:46:17,239
that if you're sitting here now, are really convinced that

1823
01:46:17,279 --> 01:46:17,600
you're the.

1824
01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:20,239
Speaker 7: Same person a boording at the door half an hour ago,

1825
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:24,920
you'll be reincarnated if you're liberated.

1826
01:46:24,520 --> 01:46:28,399
Speaker 5: Very well as now that you're gone. The past hasn't

1827
01:46:28,399 --> 01:46:31,960
been tested, The future doesn't insistent.

1828
01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:35,760
Speaker 1: There is only the present. That's the only amenium that

1829
01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:36,199
there is.

1830
01:46:37,439 --> 01:46:39,680
Speaker 5: The zen Master will get in the space in the

1831
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:43,520
same Spring does not become the south.

1832
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:47,000
Speaker 1: First there is Samath.

1833
01:46:47,359 --> 01:47:20,079
Speaker 4: And then there is Spring.

1834
01:47:17,319 --> 01:47:36,279
Speaker 8: It's it's it's, it's, it's it's.

1835
01:47:38,319 --> 01:48:41,680
Speaker 7: Stass t sl Isn't that's the same idea.

1836
01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:46,359
Speaker 5: Where he says, when you settled down in the train

1837
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:48,279
to read your newspapers and.

1838
01:48:49,319 --> 01:48:50,479
Speaker 1: You're not the same person.

1839
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:53,239
Speaker 4: Uh the plan.

1840
01:48:55,159 --> 01:48:58,039
Speaker 5: If you think you are, you are linking your movements

1841
01:48:58,119 --> 01:49:02,760
up in the check and this is what binds the

1842
01:49:02,760 --> 01:49:08,119
wheel of both. When you know that every moment which

1843
01:49:08,119 --> 01:49:10,680
you are is the only moment this.

1844
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:12,439
Speaker 1: Comes into is are The Master will.

1845
01:49:12,319 --> 01:49:14,640
Speaker 5: Say to somebody, I can have a bok across the

1846
01:49:14,760 --> 01:49:16,960
room and it can be back, and he.

1847
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:23,199
Speaker 1: Says, where are your foot? They've gone? So where are you?

1848
01:49:23,800 --> 01:49:24,239
Speaker 4: Who are you?

1849
01:49:25,279 --> 01:49:26,199
Speaker 1: When we are asked who

1850
01:49:26,279 --> 01:49:28,960
Speaker 5: We are, we usually give a kind of recitation of

1851
01:49:29,039 --> 01:49:31,239
an industry in string for instence, insence