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Speaker 9: Good morning everybody, Welcome, Here we go. It is that
time again, Matt Connerton unleashed and we are live from
the studios of w m n H ninety five point
three FM in Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. It is Saturday
August twenty four, twenty twenty four. We've got a great
show for you today and I am not alone in studio.
Speaker 13: Jenny john.
Speaker 12: Best Treasure Morning Sunshine.
Speaker 9: Jenny is here of course at the news table. Yes, yes,
and in just a couple of minutes we're going to
be joined via Skype by Bowden Greenley. He's the author
of a book called Perseverance, which I read I had
the pleasure of reading recently. Looking forward to speaking with
him about it, although it's a pretty heavy subject, but
we'll get into that. Of course, we've got Silicon Kong
in the second hour and third hour under the Horizon,
which is I'm particularly looking forward to speaking with them
because not only do I love their sound, but the
manager of the band is somebody who I used to
do a lot of business with back in the day,
and he was in a band and I was in
a band and we played a lot of shows together
and so forth. So I'm really looking forward to that.
But so it'll be a fun show today.
Speaker 12: Yes, it's going to be yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 9: Do we have time? Yeah, we should mention what's the
event there that you wanted to.
Speaker 14: Yeah, So the Gail Singer blood Drive just happened and
I went there, and I want to encourage you please
consider donating blood if you did not in this past drive.
There are lots of opportunities to and right now this
is actually a critical blood supply shortage, which means lives
are on the line. So if you have the ability
to do it, it doesn't take long, about an hour
or so out of your time or even less depending
on you know where you go for the go for it.
But it's quick, it's easy, and you have the ability
to save lives. Also about saving lives. While I was there,
the American Red Cross has a really great program to
try and prevent people from dying in house fires and
you can actually get a free smoke alarm installed in
your house and they'll check your house and let you
know if there are any fire hazards you need to
take care of. So if you know, the bad thing happens,
you guys get out alive and you get out safely.
So if you're interested in getting a free smoke alarm
and having your house check to see if you have
any fire hazards that you can take care of, just
check out the American Red Cross.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 14: You can go to their website at Redcross dot org
and just look up in home smoke alarm and you
can find out where you can get it there, or
you can give them a call at one eight hundred
four six four sixty six nine to two. That's eight
hundred four six four six nine too. They will bring
you a brand new smoke alarm, install it for you
and make sure that you and your family will be
able to get out of your house safely. So absolutely
check that out. Also, if you're not able to donate blood,
you can be a volunteer and that's always the need,
So if you're interested in being a volunteer, check out
the Red Cross red Cross dot org backslash volunteer and
consider doing that.
Speaker 12: They do great things for us.
Speaker 14: And I can tell you as a former EMT and
working in an emergency room, blood supplies our life one
hundred percent something bad happens, and that emergency blood is
literally the difference between life and death for.
Speaker 12: A lot of people.
Speaker 14: And there's actually a lot of illnesses that are treated
by blood donations. So you can help people that are
chronically ill and perhaps they need immunoglobbin. If you've got
some to give, please consider donating.
Speaker 12: As I said, it's a fun that's a fun word.
Immun immunoglobin.
Speaker 9: Yes, I'm going to work with ivyies a lot now immunoglobin.
Speaker 14: So that's actually what they call the what my neurologist
calls the drug of last resort for me is iv
IG and it actually takes about ten thousand blood donations
to make just one dose of IVY immunal globin.
Speaker 9: You need a lot of immunoglobins.
Speaker 14: Yes, well, there are people that cannot live without it.
They are their bodies are so bad that they need
to have it regularly infused and actually have nurses come
to their homes and do it right at home. So
it is a really big deal. Please consider doing it.
And like I said, the American Red Cross is giving
out free smoke alarms. They'll come, they'll install it for
you and help you stay safe and prevent a fire
from taking you or your loved one's lives.
Speaker 9: Well, very good, very good. Also, we should mention so
a couple quickly. And we've got a couple of shows
to go to. So yeah, tomorrow night we're going to
go Great White. We're going to see them at Tupelo
because opening for them is under the horraz we'll talk
more about that in the third hour when the band
is with us.
Speaker 12: I'm going.
Speaker 9: And then also, and this has been a few months
in the making now, but Tuesday Night, Yes, green Jello
slash green Jelly. I'm never sure which name to call them.
I think they prefer green Jello. Green Jelly was just
so a legal alternative, shall we say. But they were
on the show with us a couple of months ago
after they played here in Manchester, and Tuesday Night they're
going to be at Terminus in Nashua. We had, of
course our friends from Terminus and the Midnight Creators Collective
Midnight Creativetive Collective. Yes, I always get that wrong. Eleanor
and Andre and Spelfe here with us a couple of
weeks ago. But this Tuesday night's the big night Green
Jello at Terminus. It is a free show at seven pm.
It is twenty one plus b yob but come check
it out. Terminus is amazing. You can see Jenny's art.
Jenny is the featured artist there on the wall at
the Midnight Creatives Collective and my darkest.
Speaker 14: Piece, yes, which was really crazy to see them hanging
all together.
Speaker 12: Yeah, really really bizarre.
Speaker 14: So yeah, if you want to check out some of
my darkest work, you can actually see that while we're
seeing Green Jello and I am so excited to the
cops are.
Speaker 9: And bring your bring your pool noodles if you have, yes,
pool noodles are a must. But yes, so having costume
Green Jello again. That is this Tuesday night, the twenty seventh,
at seven pm. The address is one thirty four Haines
Street in Nashua. And I've never seen them live.
Speaker 14: I had I have not either, And this is a
gracial thing because they don't do this all the time.
This is a free concert that they wanted.
Speaker 12: To put on. Yeah, and they asked us to.
Speaker 14: Help them find the great location to host this free concert.
Speaker 12: And I'm just excited about that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, well you helped to facilitate it.
Speaker 12: Yes, I did.
Speaker 14: I got to say I actually agree booked Green Jello twice.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it was a radio and first show.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I was wild. You know where after they
were on the show, what was that in June? Yeah, afterward,
you know, we're talking. They were our last, our last
guests of the day, so we were just kind of
talking for a few minutes after the after we got
off the air, and Bill Mansfield he's like, yeah, we're
gonna be coming back through. We should if you got
any where, if you got a venue for us, we'd
love to do a free show somewhere.
Speaker 14: And it was very particular about that too. Yeah, that's
something special they wanted to do, and I thought that
was really awesome that they wanted to honor us here
in the great state of New Hampshire with a free concert.
And yeah, so come on out join us, Come say
hi to Matt and I.
Speaker 9: I'd love to meet you in Parson absolutely absolutely so.
Speaker 14: And good morning to Scott Scott Beatley Oh okay, he
is in the chat room. He said, good morning Matt
and Jen' good morning back. Good morning, be Pernard, I
see you too. Under the Horizon is checking us out.
They are talking that they're very happy and looking forward
to coming in later this morning. We're going to see
them in person, yes, which I'm really looking forward to.
These guys are hard work works, hard workers and getting
to open up for great whites.
Speaker 12: Pretty cool. Yeah, that's pretty pretty cool.
Speaker 9: Well, our our guest hasn't skyped in yet, although he's
got a he's got another thirty seconds. But I'll just
quickly say so back in the day because I made
reference to this earlier, and I'm sure we'll talk about
it too when Mike is here. So Mike is is
the dad of one of the band members, but Mike
is and so he's managing them too and doing all
this promotion for them. He's the one who reached out
to us. But Mike Palmer years ago, he was in
a band called Disorder by Design, and I was in
a band at the time called My Life Crisis, and
we played a lot of shows together. You know, I
talk about it on the show a lot with different
bands that come in. You know how sometimes it happens organically.
Bands kind of team up and end they're playing a
lot of shows together. So we played a lot of
shows with Disorder by Design. Plus I booked them on
some shows that My Life Crisis wasn't even on because
at that time I was also doing a lot of promotion,
you know, booking a lot of shows and whatnot. So
I booked a Disorder by Design for a lot of shows,
and they were I don't know, I don't know what
ever happened to them. They were a great band, very intense, live,
really really good, very professional, and Mike was always you know,
in Disorder by Design. He was always the guy too
who is you know, kind of the manager, business guy,
so he was always wonderful to deal with. So uh
when he when he reached out to us, he said, uh,
he said in the email, he was like, is this
is this the same Matt Connorton. I said, yeah, it's me,
which you know it likely will be because there are
very few of us. There are very few Matt Connorton's
in the world. I've checked. There is another Matt Connorton
right here in New Hampshire, but he's my uncle, so
that kind of doesn't count.
Speaker 14: He was just letting me know that he sent a
message on Skype, so hopefully he'll see my message to.
Speaker 9: Call our guest.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 12: I don't think that you can see that part. Yes,
our guest is.
Speaker 9: He sent a message to us on Skype.
Speaker 12: That's what he says.
Speaker 9: That's what he said. Because you can't do that, but just.
Speaker 12: Sent over a message through Skype.
Speaker 9: Well sure, yeah, I mean you can't do that. You
can message people on Skype, but I'm not seeing it.
But he should just go ahead and go ahead and connect.
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's yeah.
Speaker 9: Because I don't the way this, uh, the way the
Skype accounts set up, I don't have to accept his
message before he connects with us. He can just connect
with us. I think you have the option of setting
it so only people with whom you've previously connected can
skype you. Ok, there's different you know, there's different ways
you can set it up, but ours, I think is open.
I think I think literally anybody in the world if
they had our Skype ID. Not that we're going to
give it out because we don't want just anybody in
the world doing that, but I think anyone can skype us.
That's true if they have the idea.
Speaker 14: They have the idea, yes, yes, or if they think
they can look it up on email too. Oh wait,
we don't do that anything.
Speaker 9: There's different ways to do it. But skype is funny
and quirky and weird, but it works a lot better
than it used to. I remember, way back first you
using Oh he's actually calling the studio line.
Speaker 12: Oh okay, well was it that?
Speaker 9: Assuming this is him, hopefully hopefully Hello, is this our guests?
Speaker 3: Hey, Matt's Kadaver.
Speaker 15: How you doing?
Speaker 9: Oh it's Kay Deaver. Hey what's that?
Speaker 16: Man?
Speaker 15: Hey, I don't know. If I'm crashing the party, feel
free to kick me off. I'm I'm about to go
to a shoot right now. And I just saw your
Facebook live and it said call now, so I thought
I'll just join in and say hi.
Speaker 9: Yeah, we do have a guest who's supposed to be
skyping in momentarily, but he hasn't yet. He's a couple
of minutes late, so he might be having a technical issue.
So go ahead and plug what you're doing. Man, what
you said you're going to You got a you got
a video shoot?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 15: So my company Fourth Kind Films, which is so I
just said Kayaver in the sense that that's how you
know me. But yes, I don't want to say I
have left that life. I still like do music dabbling,
but I pretty much put all my focus into my
home company over the last year and a half, which
is pretty much wow, just gone to the moon. I
have commercials on NBC right now for Canaan Bridges, working
on documentaries everything in between. I do recruitment videos for
police departments. I do weddings, music videos, you name it.
And so right now I'm going over to this event
called the apple Pie Fair.
Speaker 9: Huh.
Speaker 15: It's the event Newport, New Hampshire. So I gotta do
a little event recap for them today and then next
week I gotta play their shoots as well. But yeah,
that's what I got going on. Man, I was life
to you.
Speaker 9: Good, good, that's awesome.
Speaker 12: We should get you in.
Speaker 16: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Yeah. Our guest just joined us via Skype, so we're
gonna shift over to him. But I'm really glad you called.
That's amazing. Congratulations on that. And you know, Jenny does
the booking for the show now, so let's get you
back on partly because it would be great to see you,
but also I definitely want to get updated on everything
that you're doing, because that's great news. It sounds like
you're having a ton of success and I'm very very
happy for you. You deserve it. You've been at this
a while and you deserve it.
Speaker 15: Man, absolutely, just one more time formeone out there, Fourth
Kind Films. You can find me on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram.
Speaker 4: All that. I get.
Speaker 15: My apologies for crashing. I know sometimes you do kind
of open platform shows for people to call in, so
I thought that was one of those times. But I'll
let you go back to doing what you're doing.
Speaker 9: No, you're you're timing.
Speaker 12: You were perfect.
Speaker 9: Your timing was perfect, my friend. And yes, we will
talk to you soon. All right, all right, kaya or
take care? All right? Very nice, very nice. Let's see here.
And uh so we do have our guests as uh Boden,
can you hear me? Yes, sir, very good, Boden Greenley?
Am I saying that correctly? Boden?
Speaker 16: Yes, that's right.
Speaker 9: Okay, that's not a name I think I've ever seen before,
but I like it. It's cool. Yeah, So Boden Greenley
is skyping in. Now, where are you, Bowden? Where are
you located?
Speaker 16: I'm in North Dakota.
Speaker 9: North Dakota. Oh, okay, Fargo. Well, well we all know
about Fargo because of the movie.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 9: But uh, so you have written a book which I read,
and thank you for sending that to us. Uh person,
absolutely perseverance and.
Speaker 3: Very you know.
Speaker 9: I referenced earlier when I when I mentioned that you
were going to be joining us. Uh, I mentioned that,
you know, pretty pretty heavy stuff. It's a heavy subject.
It's it's a light read in the sense that it's
not particularly long, but but it but it's not a
light read in the sense that, like I said, it's
it's it's pretty heavy stuff. And let me let me
ask you this right up front, and we can kind
of work backwards a little bit. But I want to
know this and then we'll get into for our listeners
what it's about and everything. But how is your mother now?
Because the book is of course about the ordeal health
wise that your mother has been through as we sit
here today, how is she doing?
Speaker 16: Yeah, so she's she's definitely better than she was at
her worst by a lot, but she's certainly not one
hundred percent i'd say, somewhere in the forty realm.
Speaker 9: Oh wow, okay, which I think I think in the book.
That's kind of where you left it was about. She
was at about forty percent, So yes, So Boden, if
we could, can you go ahead and tell us about
the book and what it's about, and you know, I'm
sure I'll have some questions. I read it the other night,
and I'll have some questions along the way, But for
our listeners to kind of get acquainted, I'd like you
to kind of tell us a little bit about the
book and what it is that drove you to write this.
Speaker 16: Yeah. So this was something that I'd wanted to write
for a long time. It was a situation that directly
involved me, and once I got a little older here,
I was like, I feel like this is something that
is more common than the industry makes it seem like.
It is, like this is something to me, I feel
everybody kind of sweeps under the rug, and I really
wanted to get this story out there and make people
knowledgeable on this topic. So basically, going back, so right now,
I'm nineteen years old, This started when I was about
twelve years old. So going back, she had a tooth
issue going on and she was needed an implant and
was debating on getting a ceramic or a titanium implant,
and she doctors pushed her to go titanium. She decided
to go titanium, got that put in there, and then
probably like three months after getting it, she started getting
all these terrible things going on in her body started
getting really bad. She ended up getting it out like
probably seven months after that, and then just from there
on just kept it was really bad that next year
and then got a little bit better, but then it's
still been struggling with problems for a long long time.
Speaker 9: And as this is going on, did she or did
anyone have any idea that it was the tooth?
Speaker 16: Yeah? Yeah, I mean it was. It was pretty much
clear as day that it was the tooth. She was
she was as healthy as you could possibly be. Prior
to this. She was a person that was like lifting
every day, ran a lot, all these things, and no
just common anything was taken her down at all.
Speaker 2: Like she was.
Speaker 16: She was literally as healthy as it could be and
then got this tooth and right after boom, we got
we had problems galore.
Speaker 9: And this is have you been able to find other
documented cases similar to this or or is this such
a rare thing that that that you really can't find
anything like this happening to anybody.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I actually, you know, I haven't looked into specific
cases a ton, but even so, I'm from a pretty
small town, and I even know a couple people close
to me that had similar symptoms to my mom when
getting titanium put in their body, So I know that happens.
Speaker 9: Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, it's frustrating.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 9: Jenny, of course, with her her experience and what she's
been through, she knows a lot about when it's difficult
to get something diagnosed and you know, figuring out exactly
what the problem is. You know, she has a lot
of experience with that, and I'm sure there's a lot
of people who can relate to that. You know, when
you're dealing with something that's unusual, it's it's so much
harder to get it diagnosed because you know, if it's
not something common, you know, really, I mean, why would
the medical community know a lot about it or be
able to figure out and identify the problem and then
go from there and figure out solutions if it's something
that doesn't happen very often exactly so, so the titanium,
it's sort of poisoned her right, it caused her, it
wrecked her health in a sense.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 16: Yeah, So this is one thing I want to really
kind of clear here. So in my opinion, I don't
believe that the titanium is a huge issue when dealing
with this. The problem is titanium implants are six percent aluminum,
and that's where the problem became. So they use aluminum
as a filler metal. It's because aluminum per ounce is
way cheaper than titanium per ounce, so they can use that.
And keep in mind they're outputting two point five million
implants per year, so when you're talking that scale, that
money that it takes to create the implant, that really matters.
So the aluminum was the issue.
Speaker 14: And if I were, oh, go ahead, Jenny Wood, No,
I'm just I'm shocked. Yeah, And I never knew. I
never knew that there was aluminum in the titanium implants.
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, it never knew that. It's interesting that you
say that because I think in the book, I think
you kind of talk about that too, and that they
they don't tell you that upfront, right, Like don't they
kind of sell it to you as it's titanium and
they just say that's what it is, and they don't
tell you while it's titanium, but it's also aluminum, and it's.
Speaker 16: This and it's that, yeah exactly. And it's like maybe
somewhere in the fine print of the contract that's what
they say it in there. Yeah, but they definitely don't
make it clear when they're telling you, that's for sure.
And the thing too is, I don't know if you
guys know lately, there's been a big uprising with aluminum
in the deodorance that I'm.
Speaker 12: Very aware of. I'm a Brescia survivor.
Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. So it's like, to me, how
can so now everybody's opening up to aluminum and deodorance,
which is simply just putting it on topically on your skin,
but then it's okay to implant it into your body.
It's like, that makes no.
Speaker 12: Sense, right, that's a super valid point. Yeah, yeah, aluminum
and deodorant. That's one of the things.
Speaker 14: One of the first things they told me to stop
using was antiperspirant because that's the main ingredient there is
the aluminum. Yep, the ordorant by itself doesn't have it.
Speaker 16: Right, right, And let me take a guess, so you said,
you're a breast cancer survivor. Yep, was your breast cancer
like really close to your armpit?
Speaker 14: No, actually it was closer to my back. It was
in the back of my breast tissue. And there was
also a pre cancerous area that had started under the areola. Okay,
I kind of had it on both sides of this area.
As far as thickness goes, it was way upfront and
way in the back.
Speaker 9: Does make it does make you wonder though, a little bit, right,
of course, of course.
Speaker 14: I mean I I can remember when I was a
kid by dad going it's time for you to get theodorant.
Speaker 12: Now, you know it?
Speaker 14: Like, yeah, it was like a thing you had to
start using deodorant. I mean yeah, and always used yoterant.
That's like it's ingrained in your head.
Speaker 12: Right, How many of us bring it to school and reapply?
Speaker 9: I mean right?
Speaker 16: Yeah, Yeah. I was reading a study the other day.
I don't remember exactly what it was, but there's a
big increase in breast cancer towards the or really close
to the armpit because of the They're saying it's directly
linked to the aluminum in the well.
Speaker 14: That's that's where the main lymph nodes start, and that's
where the first two lymph nodes are that are normally
and in my case, we're dissected and removed. Sure, and
some people lose way more than that because they keep going.
They start with those lymph nodes right in the armpit.
You're one hundred percent correct, and then it goes backwards
from there.
Speaker 9: Yeah. No, that's interesting.
Speaker 14: You've certainly done your resource, that's for sure. And this
is good information to be sharing. Most people don't consider
what's in their anti pressproot right that they're using, and
that aluminum actually like blocks you and then gets into
your body.
Speaker 9: Yeah, right, right, and.
Speaker 16: That's why they put it in there, because it actually
clogs the gland so you don't sweat as much exactly.
Speaker 9: That makes sense. That makes sense, And nobody, nobody.
Speaker 12: Wants to sweat and be sa and you're really better
off if you do sweat. Wedding is a good thing.
Your body's supposed to do it for a reason.
Speaker 9: Yes, that's true. One of the things that surprised me
in the book Boden was and this surprised me in
a very very sad way. Is I kind of thought
as I'm reading it as you're going through the story.
Once they identified that the tooth was was that titanium
slash aluminum tooth was what was probably the issue, and
they took it out. I would have thought, I would
have hoped that over time she would start to get better.
And I guess she did start to get better, right,
but not not enough. As you said, even today, she's
still at only forty percent. Because I remember get into
that part in the story and thinking, Okay, this is
probably a good turning point. Right now she's now that
they've taken that out, hopefully she's hopefully she's sweating it out.
Hopefully you know, it's it's leaving her body. But uh,
but apparently not or or maybe it has, but but
the the damage is done. I don't know, I mean,
what what what?
Speaker 11: Uh?
Speaker 9: What do you say about that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 16: It really is remarkable to me, and I truly don't
understand it. We I don't know. I think she might
go in here and see we were thinking there might
still be fragments of something in her body, because that's
what I'm thinking. There's absolutely no way something takes this
long to heal, and I just think her body is
whatever is in her body, she just cannot defend it. So, yeah,
it's it truly is remarkable. And if there isn't anything else,
I don't know. She just yeah, her body just fighting
it off is impossible. It's crazy.
Speaker 14: I'm wondering what got put into her bloodstream, into her body,
because this is really hitting home for me because of
the tomocks Fin toxicity that I have.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm Tomock's beIN toxic. My body can't get rid
of it.
Speaker 14: It implanted itself everywhere and I'll always be Tomock's Fin toxic.
Speaker 12: There's no way to clear it out of my body.
Speaker 14: So and it has had significant effects to my eyes
and my ears. I mean my right eye has a
hole in it because of it. But I'm like relating
to your mom's story so much because I'm thinking, yeah,
she had this in her body, and your mouth is
actually super super for us, right. This is in fact,
it's one of the fastest ways to give you a
medication is under your tongue. That is literally one of
the fastest ways. So you have to remember that it's
also one of the quickest ways to get sick because
it's oftentimes people will get a tooth infection. Those untreated
gets into the blood system, and now you can actually
die from it. I mean I've seen I have seen
people in the intensive care unit with something that started
in their mouth. So that's one hundred percent true. So
it makes me think that that aluminum that was in
her mouth for however long, that there's some kind of
like chemical or whatever that got into her bloodstream because
of that and is just simply she's got it and
it maybe it's just not you know, there's no there
may be no way to completely cleanse her of it,
as there is no way to completely cleanse me of tomoxyfin.
I'm always going to have deposits in various parts of
my body of it. Yeah, I wonder if that's what
it is.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 12: I just feel so identify with with your mom so
much because of that.
Speaker 9: Yeah. Yeah, what inspired you to write the book, Boden?
Speaker 16: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I so.
Speaker 16: My main reason is I want to get this information
out there. I you know, I come back to do
I think titanium is the worst thing in the world. No,
but if we're gonna be still doing these things, it
needs to be one hundred percent titanium or I believe
that ceramic or zirconia implants are much superior. That's what
the holistic dentists are preaching now. But I just want
people to be aware that when they put these things
in their body, that there's a even if it's a
really small chance, that it completely ruins your life. And
I think that that is gonna make you think twice
before getting it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and I assume too, you're only nineteen, right, so
I assume your mom is pretty young, and she's got
a lot ahead of her.
Speaker 16: So, yeah, she's forty eight.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, so it's it's got to be. And you
talk too in the book about how prior to all
this happening, she was very healthy, very fit, and uh
not someone who I mean, it's got to be. Obviously
it would be difficult for anybody to go through this,
but I would imagine it's especially difficult for someone like
her who's used to being so active.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean it, it is terrible. I mean none,
nothing short of terrible. She she's super fit person, she
was a dietitian, physical trainer all that, so that was
like her big thing and it's been really difficults hard.
Speaker 9: There's a point in the book too that that I
found particularly heartbreaking. When she was she she was at
a point where she was starting to feel better, significantly better,
and it seemed like it was a really good turning point,
and she kind of maybe she pushed herself a little
too hard or something, but she was out somewhere, I
think maybe with one of your siblings, if I remember correctly, Yes,
and she was really she was having a good day
and it was going well, and she's feeling good, and
then all of a sudden, she just started feeling terrible again,
and it was just this enormous setback, and I think
she fell, if I remember correctly.
Speaker 16: Yeah, So so there was there was kind of two
so you're referring to when she took my little brother
to the zoo, and actually, oh, it wasn't It wasn't
anything super crazy. She just she literally just walked too much.
That's what she says. She she walked too much that
day and she felt like a big just drop. She
calls it poison in her body because that's it feels
like tingling all over and she felt it drop into
her legs and she said she knew she was in
trouble when that happened.
Speaker 9: Oh god.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 9: And then it was after that it was kind of
back to square one, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 16: Yeah, so she had up to that point, she had
gotten that was the best she'd been before that day.
She was probably up to a good sixty percent and
then yeah, that happened, and been struggling more with the
lower body.
Speaker 9: Now, wow, that's horrible.
Speaker 14: It sounds like CPS. Yeah, yeah, because that's what happened
with me. Everything was upper body and then it dropped
into my legs.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, exactly, so crazy.
Speaker 14: I'm so sorry your almost had to struggle through these.
I commend you for what you're doing. It's so important
to get this, to get information out there so people
are informed and can make informed choices.
Speaker 16: Absolutely.
Speaker 9: How does she feel about the book?
Speaker 16: You know, so kind of funny here right away. So
I didn't tell her that I wrote it until it
was already done, because I knew that she was kind
of a stubborn person and is kind of embarrassed about
the whole situation and probably did not want to be
a main focal talking point. But then once I brought
it to her, she was really happy and we had
a good moment about it, and I told her that
this is a message that needs to get out there,
and it sucks that you're kind of the talking point,
but it has to get out there. I just don't
want to see this happen to a lot of people.
Speaker 9: So has this kind of spurred her to do any
other like does she do any interviews or any kind
of media about this or is it just just your
book for now that you've written.
Speaker 16: Mainly just my book for now? Yeah, she's not. She
just doesn't really like that kind of thing talking about it.
You know, she's she's just a super She's a stubborn person.
She's tough nosed, and she's yeah, like I said, kind
of embarrassed about it. So I'll be the guy to
talk about it absolutely.
Speaker 9: Yeah. Yeah, but I mean, you know, to be able
to do this and even survive, you know, you've got
to be tough, right, So so yeah, someone someone not
with the fortitude that she obviously has, you know, would
have thrown in the towel by now. But she's obviously
a very strong person to be able to continue to
deal with this every day and continue to function and
live and Wow, And have you written other things prior
to this or is this your first book.
Speaker 16: Or have you read that this was my first book?
Speaker 9: Wow? Good for you good for you. No, it's excellent.
Did you have an editor or did you do everything yourself?
Speaker 16: Or yeah? I had a I had an editor, and
then I had a guy who helped me with the cover.
Speaker 9: Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, No, it's very good. I encourage
people to read it.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 9: I'm also curious because I don't think you addressed this
specifically in the book, but in terms of so they
removed the titanium, you know, and partially aluminum tooth. Did
they replace it with something or does she just not
have a tooth there now or what happened there?
Speaker 16: Yeah, she's just empty there.
Speaker 9: Okay, Okay, yes, sir, I didn't know if I didn't
know if there was a danger in not putting something
else there or I mean, I guess at the moment,
it probably doesn't much matter because what she's already dealing
with is so difficult that.
Speaker 16: Yeah, exactly. It was like at the time when they
were taking it out, you know, they probably would have
wanted to put something back over top, but she was
just like, I feel so bad right now, just get
it out and we'll deal with it after.
Speaker 9: That makes sense, though, I can definitely understand that. I
can understand that is there any is there any kind
of hope?
Speaker 14: What have you?
Speaker 9: And and she and your family been able to find
anything that any sort of alternative treatment or anything that
that might help her or she just kind of kind
of stuck at forty percent. And that's that's kind of
it for the moment.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I've I've been really reaching out to a lot
of people I've found in the more alley of holistic dentistry,
which is more like natural practice dentistry, and there's some
there's potentially some heavy metal detox We're going to look
into down the road here that I want to get into.
But she's actually going in I believe next week sometime
to get a scan of her head to make sure
there's no leftover fragments.
Speaker 9: Okay, okay, excellent, and then if U of course, and
that's that'll be If they find something, that's half the
battle I guess right locating, but then they have to
figure out how to get it out.
Speaker 16: Right, so which then that will be difficult. But if
they find something, we'll get it done.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and at least too then you'll know. Then you'll
have an answer, you know, is that is that?
Speaker 13: What it is?
Speaker 9: Is there any kind of a theory about why, because,
like I said, that, there's that point where she started
feeling significantly better. I mean, I assume you've probably all
been over this a million times, but has have have
you and she and your family tried to figure out
what it was during that period that was different that
helped her to feel so much better before she she
had that setback and all of that.
Speaker 16: Yeah, you know, I I really don't know. It's such
a it's such an interesting thing to me. It's like,
like you stated earlier, it's like when when once we
got it removed, you're thinking, all right, we're probably getting
better here, you know, eventually at least.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she was.
Speaker 16: She was getting so much better, and I'm thinking, oh, yes,
I'm fine, my mom's finally going to be all the
way better. And then it was just like one day
she walks too much, Like what the f. You know,
there's there's no way. I mean, she she was as
fit as somebody could be, so to her even walking
a lot that was like exerting twenty percent, you know,
So there's there's just no and I yeah, I really
don't understand. But yeah, to answer your question, I don't
really know what it was exactly.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, and it must be so hard to And
you do talk about this quite a bit in the book.
You know, you get very personal about the challenges for
your family. You know, obviously she's going through this terrible thing,
but it but it affects all of you. You know,
it affects your dad and your siblings and how hard
that is and how you know and and when you're
a kid, you know, I mean, it's probably although adults,
it's it's a challenge for anybody right of any age,
but especially when you're growing up. And you know when
you're this started when you were twelve, right, you said
you were twelve when this whole thing started, Yes, sir,
like you don't know it that age? How to how
to handle all of this emotionally and to see your
mother going through this and your sibling. Are you the
oldest of uh? Are you the oldest of three?
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 10: Yes?
Speaker 16: I am the oldest. And then I got right in
so right now I'm nineteen. I have a middle brother
who's sixteen, and then I have a youngest brother who's ten.
Speaker 9: Oh wow, yeah, I mean your ten year old brothers.
You know, for him, it's got to be very very hard.
Oh yeah, oh absolutely.
Speaker 16: Yeah, Yeah, it was really hard. And I talked about
this a little bit. I did a bad job as well.
You know, I was I was so young, and I
kind of just got caught up in my own little
world and I almost I talked about a little bit.
I almost got annoyed. You know, it's say, why am
why is this? This just isn't fair to me selfishly
thinking why is my mom like this? This is ridiculous.
But then it's like later on it's like, oh man,
I was terrible.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 12: Now, don't do that to yourself. Yeah, to yourself. You're
you're you're young, You're you know, you're a kid.
Speaker 14: Your brain is wired a particular way, and it's not
a bad thing about you that in that moment you
weren't able to view the entire the entirety of what
was going on. I mean, that's just a process of
getting older. You can't fault yourself for being a kid
and not seeing a full view because you just didn't
get there yet. You know, now you do, look at
everything you're doing. You're doing incredible things. You didn't just
come around. You came around to become a champion, to
make sure that other people are forewarned. And that's absolutely remarkable.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I appreciate that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely, I mean it's you know, it's good to
reflect on.
Speaker 11: This.
Speaker 9: There's such a thin line between you know, kind of
reflecting and analyzing, a thin line between that and ruminating
on the past and beating yourself up and whatnot. But
I but I think, you know, it's good to reflect
on on what you maybe could have done differently so
that you're able to be supportive going forward. But again,
like Jenny, like Jenny said, I mean, when you're a kid,
you know, you're you're still trying to mature and and
uh and grow emotionally, and you know, to feel some
sort of resentment or frustration along the way or well
you know that's perfectly normal. That's normal for adults too,
but but especially when you're a kid, it's like, you know,
you got a you really got got your family, your
mom especially, but your family really got dealta that bad hand,
uh with this uh, this whole situation. So you did
the best you could and and and the great thing
about writing this book is, you know, hopefully this is
going to help other people. Like you said, you want
to raise awareness about this and kind of warn people
about what they might be getting into. And uh, you know,
make sure too that you're you know, if somebody wants
to put titanium in, you read the fine print, make
sure you know is ask your doctor, ask the surgeon.
Is there anything else other than titanium. I'm trying to
think of what else do they use titanium for it?
I'm not sure hip replacements, right, I think hip replacements are.
Speaker 14: Everything pretty much is because it doesn't set up a
metal detector, and it's it's it's a rather good material.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 12: I mean everybody, you know, you need to be informed.
Speaker 14: Maybe there's things you look out for, you know, maybe
maybe there's some kind of allergy involved with aluminium that
triggers in some people and not others.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, you know, you don't.
Speaker 14: I'm good a titanium knee and it went remarkably well. Yeah,
So there's there's the good, and you know, there's good
and bad in anything. So really just being fully informed
and then making informed choices, you know, or maybe you know,
maybe you get tested for heavy metal or whatever.
Speaker 12: I don't know what the exact answer is to it, you.
Speaker 9: Know, yeah, yeah, does doesn't sound like anyone does.
Speaker 16: Yeah, it's it's kind of it's kind of tough because,
like you said, and I kind of say this a
little bit too, It's like most people are probably gonna
get it and be just fine. But in my opinion,
I think if something like this is even a potential,
I just don't find myself taking that risk. And I
think as time goes on, we're going to start to
see alternatives that are safer or at least, like I said,
I would like to see everything be all one hundred
percent titanium. I would be more okay with that even.
Speaker 9: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Now that you've written this book, do
you have plans to write another one, or are you
going to continue writing or maybe maybe write about other
things or what's kind of your trajectory in terms of writing.
Speaker 16: Yeah, so I never thought I would do anything even
close to this. It's funny because when I was probably
mid teens, I said how much I hated reading, and
then now I'm just I'm just a reading freak. I
love reading and I love writing too. So yeah, but
as for writing more, my hope, my hope is that
we find an answer with my mom, we get her detox,
and I want to write about that. That is my
that is my end goal.
Speaker 9: Oh and that would be wonderful. That would be a
wonderful book to write, wouldn't it.
Speaker 16: Yes, that would be That would be awesome.
Speaker 9: I would love to read that. So yeah, so hopefully,
hopefully that happens. Boden Greenley, thank you so much. Before
we let you go, too, I want to make sure
everyone knows where to get your book. Of course, it
is called Perseverance. And what do people need to know
about how to get it?
Speaker 16: Yeah? So right now it's available on Amazon.
Speaker 9: Okay, Yeah, well that's easy. Yeah, that's easy. And we
should tell people to tell people how to because Boden
is not a name you here every day? How do
people spell that when they're looking for you?
Speaker 16: Yeah, it's b O E d N. And then Greenley
is green l E y.
Speaker 9: Okay, okay, well listen, thank you so much for joining
us today. Like I said, I it's an excellent book.
I I want to say I enjoyed reading, but enjoy
isn't quite the right word, because, like I said, it's
such a it's such an unhappy subject. But yeah, but
I'm really glad, I'm really glad that you sent it
to us and that we were able to do this
today and and help uh absolutely, you know, if even
if we help one person or or prevent possibly one
person from making a mistake, that's that's a good thing.
So I'm really glad you were able to do join
us and and even you know, even if it's a
while before you have written anything else, if you have
any kind of a big update on your mom in
the future, we'd love to have you back. This is
something that we want to continue to pay attention to
and and support you and your family and in any
way that we can. So so let's uh, let's definitely
stay in touch. Boden.
Speaker 16: Absolutely great, all right, very.
Speaker 9: Good Boden Greenley, thank you so much, and we'll we'll
talk to you again in the future, I'm sure.
Speaker 16: Yeah, thank you guys, appreciate it.
Speaker 9: You got it, all right, Bye bye bye bye. All right.
So that was Boden Greenley, and he is the author
of Perseverance, which you can find it, uh and on
dot com. And yeah, like I said, it's a it's
a good read, but a very it's a very difficult subject.
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